The Charles Material and Kerry Cassidy/Camelot

[jcushen]

There's an old ILLUMINATI game that is often used to flush-out the enemy and reveal where they are coming from, what they will and won't fall for etc. It involves setting up a topic and then acting as though that topic or question has a secret answer that only you know... Then when the respondent replies you ENCOURAGE THEM with false flattery... to draw them out and ultimately end up revealing nothing and leaving them wondering WTF or what happened. That's what is going on here. Charles says nothing new. You do all the work. He applauds and you continue to reveal yourselves... giving him and his team (the 33) more ammunition by which to enslave you.

Get a grip.

And ask yourselves why. It doesn't matter how. This is nonsense. They will doubtless use planes, trains and automobiles whatever.... The point is WHY would they go for that card?? Of course Werner von Braun warned Carol Rosen about it multiple times. And no, it's not simply because they want a common enemy we can all get on the same team to fight against ala Reagan's well known speech. Although this is an ingredient. Every student of sociology knows nothing works to unite a divided group faster than having a common enemy.

The real reason has to do with the same tactic as 911. You create a false enemy alongside a real one... Then you kill your own people pretending to be aiming at this fake enemy and then when that's done and everyone is on your team you go after a real enemy as you were planning all along....while instituting a Patriot Act type scenario that will go several steps beyond the Patriot Act into the One World Government... And viola. You have a War of the Worlds... and you define the enemy. While the sheep never realize their real enemy is right in their midst. It's you. The so-called rulers. They are the wolves...

They will use the Fake alien invasion to condition you for the real one.... Except, the twist there will be that we have already been invaded. They are the invaders. They are the reptilian/human offspring who want to eliminate you... And wars within or with outsiders is just one more way to do it. Not only that but behind your backs they have been fighting various ET races (invaders) for eons...

Can anyone tell me why Kerry is being SO critical of this material? Of course we should take what Charles says with a pinch of salt, and be a little skeptical, but isn't this over the top? Something seems to be clouding her judgment, at least it seems that way to me. She is being so overly critical of Bill's source Charles, stating that whistleblowers need to be vetted thoroughly first, but she herself has become very naive and gullible in my opinion. I'm not sure if anyone watched or read the Aaron McCullom material, but this man seemed very sketchy to me, perhaps he's not, but I'd much rather listen to what Charles has to say than this guy.

Any thoughts?

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

She is allowed to her own opinion (as is everyone).

I dunno what to think - but i feel something aint all ship shape with this one, and if he showed his face that would make all the difference...
I feel we are all highly trained to spot BS at this point in time... so many possibilities.

Character is very important now too.

[Icecold]

Yes, this is my take on the problem......one of many I suspect...

the Charles material challenges the entire Draconian reptoid theme of controllers based in or around the Mojave area, the US in general. Prior to the Charles material an intricate theme had been teased out which centered the bad guys firmly in the US in underground bases. A lot of research time has been put into getting a coherent story of bad guys developed. Now the Charles material has to all intents and purposes changed the playing field and moved it elsewhere. How can this be? A lot of people have put decades of research into developing a picture that is coherent and consistent within the bounds available to them.

If the Charles material did not ruffle feathers in the community it would have been very surprising.

[Billiam]

I can understand being sceptical and treading carefully through all of this material but regurgitating the original fears and negativity which came out two and a half weeks ago is not constructive... I have to admit I found Kerry's post rather condescending and lacking in understanding i.e. having not read all the previous posts on the subject to date...

[Atticus]

I wonder if anyone has considered the fact that this lady is of no importance and that bill is.
I wonder if anyone has considered the fact that this lady hooked onto an enlightened individual and the interest is generated by him.
I wonder who wants recognition,and who does not care about recognition.
I wonder who has what agenda.

MAKE DONATIONS,ON MY BLOG,IN MY OPINION.ETC ETC ETC..........

The way to stop a fight is to not be there in the first place.
Does bill post on Camelot ?

Let's see how intellect works.

Ask yourself this...
Who does your gut trust?
Who's motives are clear?

Bill is not important,Charles is not important,individuals are not important.

Your collective reaction is important.

The results of the survey were?

GOOD LUCK,I THINK YOUR GOING TO NEED SOME.

[mgray]

In the interview Charles alleged that he or a prior operative put a wedge between Kerry and Bill to weaken their collaboration. Now as most of us know this indeed did happen, perhaps Kerry does not wish to believe she was manipulated by TPTB.
Or it could also be "professional jealousy" that Bill landed this interview.

[Celine]

We are all allowed our opinions

Yes and no.

Of course we can all have an opinion....but whether we should share it or not is a different question.

I have always stated that I believe Kerry lack of proffesionalism almost always leads to "inner strife" between the forums.

NONE of the MODS, ADMINS or Bill , go to PC and drop bombs like she does.

They respect her forum.

She has ZERO respect for us.

She doesnt know us. Has no clue what goes on, on a daily bases here.

Perhaps tommy (her techie, seingterra) reports back to her (as well as some members), but they fail to show her our heart.

We balance heart and mind very well on this forum. Like someone said our BS meter is pretty sharp.

Some basic advice that i would offer Kerry.

1- Get a publicity manager : i know i know everyone wants to keep life simple but...The way Truth is presented is VERY important.

2- Make up artists are very common in LA, talk to one.

3- Learn about camera angles and lighting. a camera angle is coming from below, it ceates shadows

4- Use decorum when going to other forums: Why not say hi to us?


*celine sighs *

Integrity is exceptionally important when it comes to truth speaking.

[Icecold]

I can understand being sceptical and treading carefully through all of this material but regurgitating the original fears and negativity which came out two and a half weeks ago is not constructive... I have to admit I found Kerry's post rather condescending and lacking in understanding i.e. having not read all the previous posts on the subject to date...

Dank Billiam,

but your post is a little paradoxical (see underlines). Also it is highly constructive to analyse the reason behind a view which has a significant following at this time. If we can understand its roots, then we can understand the problem. In Kerry's view, I doubt she was trying to be condescending and I doubt she lacks understanding. She like all of us have agendas. Time will tell.


Ouch Celine...the makeup artist crack. :eek:

[Celine]

Dank Billiam,

but your post is a little paradoxical (see underlines). Also it is highly constructive to analyse the reason behind a view which has a significant following at this time. If we can understand its roots, then we can understand the problem. In Kerry's view, I doubt she was trying to be condescending and I doubt she lacks understanding. She like all of us have agendas. Time will tell.

i agree and dissagree...

Yes she has an understanding..yes she has an agenda..
But... yes she meant to be condescending imo

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Sorry to sound harsh - but anyone can be a critic...

What Kerry has done should be commended (even if you or i don't always agree with her or even us as now)... and to start going on a personal attack like her looks is very shallow - and kind of surprises me a senior member would say such a thing ...

How many miles have you walked in her shoes?

[Celine]

WGN

i am NOT commenting on her person...but on her lack of profesionalism.

She puts herself out there.. that is what happens.

When i make a flower arrangement and put it out there.. people have a right to comment on my work.

i am not here to debate if she is a good soul or not,



Being a Truth speaker.. is a challenge , a duty and a responsibility.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Sounds like a low blow none the less.

[Celine]

Any one in the movie/tv or public persona business will know that make up /lighting /camera angles etc is VERY important.

if NONE of her people told her about the make up... then the people around her do NOT have her best interest at heart

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

..meanwhile back on topic....


I'd ask:
Show your face next interview "Charles" - why would you care that anyone sees it anyway? I mean you know you are immortal right?

[Celine]

Kerry is the topic of the thread..

her behavior towards the charles materiel is more then unprofesional...

Her words were proffesionaly insulting to Bill..and to all who work here (members included)

[Billiam]

Thank you for your post Icecold

Dank Billiam,

but your post is a little paradoxical (see underlines). Also it is highly constructive to analyse the reason behind a view which has a significant following at this time. If we can understand its roots, then we can understand the problem. In Kerry's view, I doubt she was trying to be condescending and I doubt she lacks understanding. She like all of us have agendas. Time will tell.


I think Bill dealt with the same fears that Kerry raised already over two weeks ago so why discuss it again, all we can do is see how it plays out- discussing these doubts for the millionth time is not constructive and dilutes the real issues... I do not see how I am being paradoxical and saying things like "get a grip" "as any student of sociology knows" is in my book condescending... If Kerry had any REAL insight to the root of the problem then she should have posted that instead.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

So as long as we stand under the same scrutiny - then all will be fine.

Do you have anything nice to say about Kerry?

[Celine]

Ofcourse i do.

a very loving, passionate woman who wants to help the world.


But what does that have to do with the topic?

i am here to discuss PC and Kerrys involvement in the Charles info..

i feel she undermines Bill any chance she gets

[Celine]

Did you really think WZN that i cannot see her heart?

Why did she post here?

Why does she not follow the conversation she started?

In her position..she should carefuly weigh everything she says and does.

That is why i respect and support Bill 100%

[Limor Wolf]

I do not seem to understand why people are so overly critical towords kerry? what is the need to stuck in the middle of the emotional game that is going on between Bill and Kerry? why kerry is not allowed to express her thoughts and opinions on the subject just like everyone else,given that she did it in an acceptable manner (unlike Cliff high) and no-i am not offended by "get a grip".
wht can't there be an agreement on difference of opinions?
why can't there be be a respect for expressing all sides of a coin.the more perspectives,the better the comprehension we have on the 'charles' issue.why someone feels so intimidated by hearing other opinions that he is not in agreement with? what kind of emotions does it provoke inside?
i believe i know what i am doing by being on the Avalon forum rather on the Camelot forum,i take my stand with the moving along and atitude of Bil ryan,period.but,i do respect kerry cassidy for everything she did so far and her hugh investment in trying to wake people up to its deep core.i do not go for much of the channeling staf or some of her interviewees (as the original camelot from the essence was to deal with whistleblowers,and thats what would become Bill and kerry's unique signature over the years),some of her interviewees are very interesting (carmen boulter) i do believe that kerry made some mistakes of her own and i will say the name -jake simpson and no more about it.i do not know details as it is and i do not care to know.

the tones at the Steven greer were a bit high,but is it acceptable to expect from a pesron that is constantly on the road to be perfect all the time?

lets cut the criticism,if some of us do believe in giving an ear and a heart to 'charles',than its only fair to treat kerry's words the same way.we do not need to agree,we do not need to share the same oppinion (though it could be strengthening if we did) we need to work towords unity and spreading a safe net for Bill or for kerry or for each of us who is aspiring for the same cause
and might fall down in trying to do so ,god knows it takes courage to even try.. (not that i think that a falling down will happen)

our strength is in our supporting each other and not necessarily with agreeing with each other.

p.s
i think that in one of his interviews Bill mentioned that its o.k to put something in the "not sure drawer".i rather sit on the fence for a while and observe with the 'charles' material.i have my own speculation and thoughts and its going both directions:Bill's and kerry's.i believe in Bills approach of getting to know what we need to deal with first hand,therefore i support conducting a dialog.my first reaction though,contained many thoughts like kerry and others are holding,and its only neutral.therefore my coclusions so far is to make advance with the connection to PTB groups if any of that comes to the table,but doing it cautiosly and with our own and our brothers and sisters best consideration in mind and heart at all times.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I was just wondering, does anyone know if Kerry is still linked to that Jack Burns guy? The guy who was going to 'Launch' Project Camelot Productions'
or was Bill right in his suspicions?

[Celine]

sorry Limor i wont even read the entirity of your post..

Kerry opened the "game" with an isult..as she always does.

As i tell my kids..

Its not important who starts the fight..but who ends it.

and..

the quietest ones are always heard louder then the loud ones.

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if i could thank you ten times i would Hurrit

[Icecold]

Thanks Billiam,

I don't think Kerry posted to be insightful, the Charles material directly challenges her views as I've said. She really needs Charles to be a fraud, or its back to the drawing board and out the window with a lot of work. Maybe a lot less guest appearances. Its confronting. She hasn't got any additional insight, she has got an agenda to remain on top of the game. Can't blame her for that. There is somewhat of an Oprah Winfrey style process alive and well in the alternative community. Haven't you noticed?

[Celine]

HEAR HEAR!! icecold..

Great observation

[jcushen]

Thanks everyone for your input.

I just want to make clear, that I am in no way downplaying what Kerry has to say, I admire her work, and overall she is doing the world a very good justice. I'm just saying that her choice of words could have conveyed her opinion a lot better had she thought how it would sound. Strong emotions towards Bill, Avalon, or Charles shouldn't come into. She doesn't need to belittle it, but get her message across in more clinical and precise way.

I really do have time for her, and I take every opinion she has on board, but I can't help but feel the negativity in this post. The fact that she uses phrases like "Get a grip" also annoys me. Her opinion isn't exaclty a divine path paved in gold that everyone should follow.

[Limor Wolf]

Celine wrote:
sorry Limor i wont even read the entirity of your post..

Its absolutly your right not to read the entirity of my post,celline. i wish you would do so with kerry's posts as well if you find them so offensive towords you.just turn around and not read them instead of commenting on someones make-up.
in your position..

[Redtailhawk]

Kerry has stated herself that she is deliberately provocative at times. She does it on purpose! An agent provocateur of sorts. To get to the truth sometimes one needs to shake it up a bit.

I am on the fence about Charles at this point. He stated to Bill that he was not going to apply body language to him and implied he was good at reading it. My sense is that was the main reason for Charles to turn his back to us, he did not want any of us reading his body language.

The fact is 70 percent of all communication is non-verbal. Let's see more of you Charles. If you are concerned about your identity, wear some shades and a cap.

You are dealing with a very discerning audience and if you truly are before us with the purest of intentions then prove it!

[Celine]

lol Challenging Charles wont work.

But i do agree about communication..its about more then words

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Its absolutly your right not to read the entirity of my post,celline. i wish you would do so with kerry's posts as well if you find them so offensive towords you.just turn around and not read them instead of commenting on someones make-up.
in your position..

i do not find them offensive in that sense...i find them detrimental to progress.

[Limor Wolf]

Dear Celine, dont you define what is detrimental to your progress? is life handling you,or you handling it...
i know that you know the answer :D

[DawgBone]

There's an old ILLUMINATI game that is often used to flush-out the enemy and reveal where they are coming from, what they will and won't fall for etc. It involves setting up a topic and then acting as though that topic or question has a secret answer that only you know... Then when the respondent replies you ENCOURAGE THEM with false flattery... to draw them out and ultimately end up revealing nothing and leaving them wondering WTF or what happened. That's what is going on here. Charles says nothing new. You do all the work. He applauds and you continue to reveal yourselves... giving him and his team (the 33) more ammunition by which to enslave you.

Get a grip.

I think Kerry misses the point. If the Elite are seeking genuine dialog, the first encounter is likely to be ritualistic. The first encounter is not really about sharing information. It is a matter of form more than content. Bill seems quite aware of this. He understands protocols.

Kerry is a journalist seeking information. And yes she has an ego. That's okay; we all do.

[Celine]

Absolument... hence why i wont stand for anyone trying to derail it.

I speak my heart..

good or bad.


i dont apologize for it.

What i would TRULY LOVE to read is properly presented thought (on this forum) by Kerry.

She...like Bill.. doesnt need to stir the pot.

We all do that very well ourselves.

If Bill and Kerry cannot comport themselves like adults... how can we expect it fromt he greater community.

A forum represents the heart of its founder.

[Bill Ryan]

Show your face next interview "Charles" - why would you care that anyone sees it anyway? I mean you know you are immortal right?


I am on the fence about Charles at this point. He stated to Bill that he was not going to apply body language to him and implied he was good at reading it. My sense is that was the main reason for Charles to turn his back to us, he did not want any of us reading his body language.

The fact is 70 percent of all communication is non-verbal. Let's see more of you Charles. If you are concerned about your identity, wear some shades and a cap.

You are dealing with a very discerning audience and if you truly are before us with the purest of intentions then prove it!

It's to protect others - not him.

For example, Ben Murphy apparently said on radio - I was told this: I have not heard it myself - that if he encountered Charles and knew who he was, he'd "punch him out". (That may be a paraphrase - someone please let me know.)

That would not be very smart of Ben. Hence the anonymity. Do you see?

[Limor Wolf]

Redtailhawk wrote:
Kerry has stated herself that she is deliberately provocative at times. She does it on purpose! An agent provocateur of sorts

i am sure you are right.together with Henry kissinger,the Bushes and the pope..

wake up people,wake up to the really importnat things we need to face.p-l-e-a-s-e save your time and energy to the the real "fights" or should better call it challenges ahead of us.

[Icecold]

Kerry has stated herself that she is deliberately provocative at times. She does it on purpose! An agent provocateur of sorts. To get to the truth sometimes one needs to shake it up a bit.

I am on the fence about Charles at this point. He stated to Bill that he was not going to apply body language to him and implied he was good at reading it. My sense is that was the main reason for Charles to turn his back to us, he did not want any of us reading his body language.



The fact is 70 percent of all communication is non-verbal. Let's see more of you Charles. If you are concerned about your identity, wear some shades and a cap.

You are dealing with a very discerning audience and if you truly are before us with the purest of intentions then prove it!


Ahhh. Redtailhawk, you may not realise it, but you are sort of insinuating that Bill can't read body language.....or that Charles and Bill are in some kind of conspiratorial arrangement to fool all of us.

[Limor Wolf]

celline wrote:
If Bill and Kerry cannot comport themselves like adults... how can we expect it fromt he greater community

Beacuse we can.we are mature,inteligent adults in our own rights,even though emotional from time to time :)
and we can stand without interfering when "mom" and "dad" are disagreeing.

[Redtailhawk]

Wrong! I know how bright Bill is, yet many of us think for ourselves and would like to draw our own conclusions and not rely completely on others assessments.

[Celine]

Beacuse we can.we are mature,inteligent adults in our own rights,even though emotional from time to time :)
and we can stand without interfering when "mom" and "dad" disagreeing.

Ok i know that applies to a few...

But the whole?

come on.. have you seen our reaction to information we "already knew"?

[EsmaEverheart]

Last year at this time Kerry supported the Heather Material and Bill had reservations. Fast forward and this year Bill supports the Charles Material and Kerry has reservations. What is to be learned from this? Both Bill and Kerry knows now what it is to be on the other side in an issue.

Now move along. Nothing to see here.

[slvrfx]

Interesting. I noted his body language without seeing his face.

The tilt of his head, using his hand, even the muscles in his neck...he's sincere, and pointed at the same time. He's definitely not making any excuses for he knows he doesn't need to. I've written also about how Bill's face was a Mirror that reflected Charles. Yes. Watch it again. Maybe even shut the volume off so all you see is the physical manifestation that's there. Both Charles and Bill.

I found that I wasn't even listening to the words, but 'hearing' an underlying tone (resonance), and watching the subtle movements, well, it was like in some serious slow-motion.


Kerry has stated herself that she is deliberately provocative at times. She does it on purpose! An agent provocateur of sorts. To get to the truth sometimes one needs to shake it up a bit.

I am on the fence about Charles at this point. He stated to Bill that he was not going to apply body language to him and implied he was good at reading it. My sense is that was the main reason for Charles to turn his back to us, he did not want any of us reading his body language.

The fact is 70 percent of all communication is non-verbal. Let's see more of you Charles. If you are concerned about your identity, wear some shades and a cap.

You are dealing with a very discerning audience and if you truly are before us with the purest of intentions then prove it!

[Icecold]

Wrong! I know how bright Bill is, yet many of us think for ourselves and would like to draw our own conclusions and not rely completely on others assessments.

I'd like to think we ALL think for ourselves. Regardless, you've just said the same thing again. You don't trust Bill. Curiousity killed the cat. Think of it as a good opportunity to hone your intuitive skills.

[Limor Wolf]

Celine wrote:
Ok i know that applies to a few...

But the whole?

this is not the only example we know of how the "whole" think versus the "few" is it? lol
personally i never mind how the "whole" think if i feel that i am right.the "whole" is not a good enough criterion for me.

[Redtailhawk]

I'd like to think we ALL think for ourselves. Regardless, you've just said the same thing again. You don't trust Bill. Curiousity killed the cat. Think of it as a good opportunity to hone your intuitive skills.

WOW, are you way off. I see you are a new member, perhaps you should have intuited your own reply.

[Billiam]

Thanks Billiam,

I don't think Kerry posted to be insightful, the Charles material directly challenges her views as I've said. She really needs Charles to be a fraud, or its back to the drawing board and out the window with a lot of work. Maybe a lot less guest appearances. Its confronting. She hasn't got any additional insight, she has got an agenda to remain on top of the game. Can't blame her for that. There is somewhat of an Oprah Winfrey style process alive and well in the alternative community. Haven't you noticed?

I already mentioned this in chat... I feel it is almost like a giant soap opera... There are villains and heroes, plots and secrets, bit part characters who crawl out of the woodwork, people take sides and support their favourite characters and this although entertaining is not healthy for serious study... I believe you are right and Kerry is feeding the entertainment side of this show and if she really had something serious to comment about Bill work then she should have come out with something solid... My personal opinion and it is just that is that out of professional respect for Bill she should not have posted what she did... I am sure Bill is more than aware of "old illumaniti tricks" and has probably read a book or two on sociology in his days... I think Kerry should accept that she has lost the respect of a lot of people in the alternative community and take a step back and help from behind the scenes instead of trying to steal it all for herself... Camelot is a flogged out old horse and her association with Bill does more harm than good... I do believe Kerry to be a good person at heart who feels she is doing the right thing but I think she lacks the skills and or integrity to be an important figure in this field...

[slvrfx]

Bill is not important,Charles is not important,individuals are not important.

Your collective reaction is important.

The results of the survey were?

GOOD LUCK,I THINK YOUR GOING TO NEED SOME.


Exactly. As a collective we need to resonate at the higher level we're hoping to reach. (Well, at least some of us understand this.)

[Icecold]

WOW, are you way off. I see you are a new member, perhaps you should have intuited your own reply.


Please explain to me what my membership has to do with your view?

[K626]

If you read between the lines, our reaction to this material is more important than the material itself.

love

K

[Zook]

Good Morning Good Avalon ... the Earth says hello!


She is allowed to her own opinion (as is everyone).
I dunno what to think - but i feel something aint all ship shape with this one, and if he showed his face that would make all the difference...
I feel we are all highly trained to spot BS at this point in time... so many possibilities.
Character is very important now too.

Well ... we don't have much info on who Charles is, and not much to go on ... but we can rule out who Charles isn't. By looking at the back of the head, we note that the size of his ears is normal. Elephantine, they ain't! Prince Charles, he ain't. You're welcome.

Carry on.

:smow::typing:

[noxon medem]

Any one in the movie/tv or public persona business will know that make up /lighting /camera angles etc is VERY important.
if NONE of her people told her about the make up... then the people around her do NOT have her best interest at heart

:yo:
It is very important that the visual appearance of video and presenter support the intention of the content or message that is conveyed.
- Or at least it does not get in the way.
And even for a "guerilla-ducumentarist" there should be a developement towards a more refined and deliberate media expression over time.
Most often it is small changes and adjustments that are needed, easily managed technically, if the awareness of the matter is present.
I do remember thinking she looket a bit like a "grey alien" in some of the videos she did on her webcam, a year or so ago.
( do not find it a link at the moment. Anyone ? )

- Mind you, this goes for many of the presenters of alternative information, including Bill Ryan.
The images of David Icke from the "Human race, get off your knees"-interview, with the percistent yellow shirt and and a piercing pink hue
to both him, and the not too exciting scenery, except his hair, that was a luminous fluorescent green, is still haunting my professional inner eye.
( - these things can to a large degree be adjusted in postproduction, Bill, and Kerry. Or anyone.)
http://www.youtube.com/user/AlphaZebra#p/u/6/e7WTxb-Oe7s - for those who want to see for themselves. I prefer just to listen :-)

I think Kerrys radioshows are a nice listening too, and try to hear them all. That is a good medium for her at the moment.
She is a clever host and have interesting guests, for the most,
and I enjoy those shows, specialy on Argosoog (Dutch, with music instead of commercials)
Guess this is the inspiration, The eye of Argos (Argus):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes

In Greek mythology, Argus Panoptes (Ἄργος Πανόπτης) or Argos, guardian of the heifer-nymph Io and son of Arestor, was a primordial giant whose epithet "Panoptes", "all-seeing", led to his being described with multiple, often one hundred, eyes.
I agree that she to a certain degree seek attention, and then should put more attention to physical appearances. Specially on video there is some
important factors to concider in the way one present oneself.

When it comes to radio (audio) just one advice. - Keep even volumelevels between everyone speaking,
- that is so much more comfortable on the receiving ear and the mind.

:focus:
- So, what is the topic again ?
Opposing opinions and crucial (inner) critisism, I suggest.

On a large scale it is the missing inner voice of opposing, critic, perspectives that
drives societies toward despotism and totalitarian tyranny, or allow it to happen.
A healthy system do not only allow conflicting views and systemcritical voices to exist,
it promotes and encourages it, even funds it. And take all perspectives into concideration.
- Ideally, that is. And the principle goes right down to the induvidual, personal level (situation)

Of course we must all strive to become our own critics. Fair, tough, precise and challenging [insert favourite relevant adjective here].
- But still we are only one, and limited by that single view, and the extent of our present perception.
That is why external trusted sources of challenging, opposing views upon ourselves and our work is
so important, and I hope, and trust, Bill has arranged for that internaly, and is open to it here on the forum.
Trusted, knowledgable, sources is a keyword here. Certainly Kerry can be an important critic for Bill, as long as they trust
each other enough, and understand and accept the form of expression from the other.
:fencing:

- A descriptive digression lastly here:
I want to thank Celine for some opinion (subtle critisism), and advice, she offered me regarding my posting here. (in a PM, Personal Message)
It was also on visual appearance, layout, because I made a habit of making space in the text by inserting dots.
...
Like this
....
And this.
..
That feedback made me look at it from a different perspective, a valuable outer eye,
- and I stopped doing that, from my own new judgement.

Leaving the open space clean of dots and dashes.

Like this. A better solution for what I intended. It looks, and works, much better now.

I am gratefull for that kind of friendly critics,
and think we all depend on that for growth and balance,
- and more ..

:fish2:

[K626]

Wouldn't like Bill or Kerry to come across as too 'packaged'.

love

K

[Icecold]

Noxon Medem. Thanks for your post. Maybe I shouldn't have found that hilarious....but I did. :rolleyes:

[kinsuemei2]

It's to protect others - not him.

For example, Ben Murphy apparently said on radio - I was told this: I have not heard it myself - that if he encountered Charles and knew who he was, he'd "punch him out". (That may be a paraphrase - someone please let me know.)

That would not be very smart of Ben. Hence the anonymity. Do you see?

I was making a reference that was corrected via an email to me, that's all I can say, because I felt I was being attacked in that interview, but a good mutual friend corrected me, BUT I will say this, my nature is one I have to work on if somebody says they can take out this and that then my nature is to test them, test myself and you are right that is not clever, but nobody ever accused me of being bright LOL!!.

No the radio show was done before I had a better insight, but to be honest after the interview I got the usual dam plethora of wankers spamming my email telling me I work for the NWO and failed to take you down bill, and I take that personally so Charles I apologize because as I said I was corrected, and this in reference to the Camelot split, but to this day I have a good 80 percent of the dam world it would seem who hates me because they think I DID IT!!.

Now I lost, my pay pal account because it was hacked, I lost my you-tube page, which I actually got back thanks to 8 months of back and forth with the guys at You-tube but not my 85 videos they were lost including my daughters first song, so you can see how this rubs me the wrong way and I lashed out, ultimately it's not important and just materialistic right? I know but I am a physical person, physically minded, I am still working on me and issues, and truth be told, I would not drag Charles out and give him a kicking, I would stand eye to eye with him and make him explain himself, but I am an ass like that. But I do make my apologies and I own my mistakes, and Charles no hard feelings against you at all, I still want that game of chess though.

I am a fighter, I was by trade and I will always be a fighter, I just have to be smarter, I felt attacked and I reacted, I said it, but not so flippantly in my opinion as I would not say anything like that unless I felt I was being attacked and at that time by the public I dam well was and I apologize.

[slvrfx]

If you read between the lines, our reaction to this material is more important than the material itself.

love

K


Yes, yes, and YES. Woke up today thinking of this- "What's more important- the PROCESS or the END PRODUCT?")

[Celine]

I wonder if anyone has considered the fact that this lady is of no importance and that bill is.
I wonder if anyone has considered the fact that this lady hooked onto an enlightened individual and the interest is generated by him.
I wonder who wants recognition,and who does not care about recognition.
I wonder who has what agenda.

MAKE DONATIONS,ON MY BLOG,IN MY OPINION.ETC ETC ETC..........

The way to stop a fight is to not be there in the first place.
Does bill post on Camelot ?

Let's see how intellect works.

Ask yourself this...
Who does your gut trust?
Who's motives are clear?

Bill is not important,Charles is not important,individuals are not important.

Your collective reaction is important.

The results of the survey were?

GOOD LUCK,I THINK YOUR GOING TO NEED SOME.

Yes Atticus.. We know that the individual is not important.

Yes Atticus we know our reactions are very important

My gut trusts my heart.. and whom ever has it.

Bill has my heart.. His motives are clear.

Is it possible though that this survey is flawed?


Thank you for offering luck... but i would prefer to count on our hearts.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Yes, yes, and YES. Woke up today thinking of this- "What's more important- the PROCESS or the END PRODUCT?")

Does the ends justify the means?

it is a double edged sword

[slvrfx]

Celine-

I believe the process is what matters. Doesn't matter what the end product is. Matter-of-fact, if we are always conscientious in our 'process', we will know the 'end product' will be as it should be.

Wasn't at all referring to the 'end justifying the means'.

[slvrfx]

[QUOTE=Céline;98850]



Is it possible though that this survey is flawed?






No. I don't believe it's flawed, but then I don't believe in good or bad. Everything IS what it IS. Everything is an experience, for us to learn from.

[Binaryspellbook]

I don't trust Charles. He comes across as a little bit of a wideboy. I didn't trust the Heather material either. Frankly that made me take two steps back and reassess Camelot entirely. As for Kerry, I don't give a baboons arse whether she wears makeup or not. I watch interviews for the content. Not to perv at some middle aged Yank. She should swat up on military ranks though. I cringed in embarrassment when she asked Bob Dean in one interview, "is a captain higher than an admiral ?" I'd put my mortgage on Bill not having to ask that question.

[Celine]

it is good to hear you dont notice those things...shows a pure mind


But..

many Terrans are not so well balanced..

And it is VITAL that the truth be presented in a manner that implies integrity

To do this... you must think of the proffesional aspects of videos.. These are not "you tubber videos"

This is their CAREER

[kinsuemei2]

You don't trust much at all, but I think that's part of your charm brother lol.

[Dale]

As stated several times earlier in this post, the individual is not important - but instead, the collective reaction holds the sway.

On a bit of a side note, I'd like to make a comment on an aspect of the "Charles material" I've come across that seems to be misinterpreted.

Charles describes 33 men chosen to represent their respective bloodline in a small group. One must also remember that this likely isn't a formal group with a name, title, or job description; probably more-so a meeting-based group than a occupation-based group. These 33 men each represent their respective bloodline. We would not say there are only two politicians from each state, simply on the premise that each state sends two Senators to Washington to represent their borders.

What these 33 men do elsewhere may be of more interest. Are they members of other, well-established orders? Who are their brothers? Their sons? Do they own any large banks? Are any of these men elected politicians? Are a few scientists? The list could continue; as it seems their actions outside of this meeting as representatives may be more telling of who they are, and what to expect.

[Binaryspellbook]

You don't trust much at all, but I think that's part of your charm brother lol.

Hey Kinsu,

I trust data first and foremost. I know that data can be manipulated. So when I say I trust data, I also cast a critical eye over what is being presented. However I'm not about to sit down, open a box of pringles, crack open a can of beer and sap up any old codswallop dished up by some anonymous cockney telling me stuff I already knew or had heard.

Let's take a step back and look at some of the stuff I call capital *BS* on.

1: Ex prime minister of the UK turns into a giant lizard after some bizarre ritual in a forest. - David Icke.
2: "Dolphin boy" (aka Aaron McCollum) - zips around in TR3B's going through stargates on secret missions. - Project Camelot.
3: The Heather material - Project Camelot.
4: Anything Jordan Maxwell says. - The man is a proven liar. No more to be said about that.
5: Alex Collier. - I cannot take this man seriously at all.
6: A'shayana Deane. - BS artist of the first degree.
7: Any "channeler." Like the obviously fake fat bingo caller Kerry had channeling info about the stones in South Africa. That was simply embarrassing.

I prefer people who (in my opinion) have credibility.For example; Jim Marrs, Dr Greer, Dr Paul La Violette, Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval, J.A.West, Brigadier General Steven Lovekin et al.

Regards Jamie

[Binaryspellbook]

it is good to hear you dont notice those things...shows a pure mind


But..

many Terrans are not so well balanced..

And it is VITAL that the truth be presented in a manner that implies integrity

To do this... you must think of the proffesional aspects of videos.. These are not "you tubber videos"

This is their CAREER

I would say it was more of a calling than a career. Therefore the audience she is targeting really don't care if she looks as if she has been dragged through a hedge backwards. I certainly don't. I would tentatively suggest however that Kerry has a bit of an ego going on (although the makeup thing may belie that) and needs to ditch that as soon as possible.

[sandy]

Should ego and consciousness of such not be central to ones statements then agendas do prevail. Check intention and self-honesty from wench your opinion comes............... and on the balancing stick, it may be important to look at the far right and far left in order to find the balance somewhere in the middle..............

[Celine]

I would say it was more of a calling than a career. Therefore the audience she is targeting really don't care if she looks as if she has been dragged through a hedge backwards. I certainly don't. I would tentatively suggest however that Kerry has a bit of an ego going on (although the makeup thing may belie that) and needs to ditch that as soon as possible.

This is how they make their money... Both of them have said so publicaly.

[gripreaper]

I do not seem to understand why people are so overly critical towards kerry? why can't there be an agreement on difference of opinions?
why can't there be be a respect for expressing all sides of a coin.the more perspectives,the better the comprehension we have on the 'charles' issue.why someone feels so intimidated by hearing other opinions that he is not in agreement with? what kind of emotions does it provoke inside?

There is a phenomenal propensity in humans to discard the big picture, zero in on nuances and then shoot the messenger. The last few days on this forum I've seen quite a bit of this. There is a thread trying to discredit Jordan Maxwell, others going after David Icke, still others chuckling over David Wilcock and of course Kerry.


lets cut the criticism,if some of us do believe in giving an ear and a heart to 'charles',than its only fair to treat kerry's words the same way.we do not need to agree,we do not need to share the same opinion (though it could be strengthening if we did) we need to work towards unity and spreading a safe net for Bill or for kerry or for each of us who is aspiring for the same cause and might fall down in trying to do so ,god knows it takes courage to even try.. (not that i think that a falling down will happen)

Those in the alternative media are expected to be fully ascended avatars, have all of their energy in perfect alignment in their lower terrestrial chakras, and speak only universal truths. If they are found to have any flaws and still working on their own karma, these flaws are to be exploited, marginalized and the entire message should be discarded and thrown into the trash bin. Does that sound reasonable? I know that's a very extreme rendition of this phenomenon and of course I would just be "broad brushing" and throwing everyone into the same pile, but I hope it illustrates my point without anyone thinking it is a personal attack on them.


our strength is in our supporting each other and not necessarily with agreeing with each other.

And that is the point. We are all ascending and evolving "out of" the Newtonian paradigm of polarized patriarchal viewpoints and adopting and emerging into a "unified" whole brain discourse. Let's be patient as we transition and be mindful of the pitfalls.

Also, I don't discount the possibility that there is a concerted effort being implemented to go after the alternative media and discredit those that are getting too close to the truth. I see this as a clue to what's really going on.

[norman]

yer-no....

Reading this thread makes me think Avalon took a .22 right through the head 2 weeks ago. It's taking a while for the body to go cold and flies are all over it turning it into their new community.

[Celine]

You think this killed the forum?

or just killed your perception of it maybe..

[Binaryspellbook]

Should ego and consciousness of such not be central to ones statements then agendas do prevail. Check intention and self-honesty from wench your opinion comes............... and on the balancing stick, it may be important to look at the far right and far left in order to find the balance somewhere in the middle..............

Apologies Sandy, but that makes no sense whatsoever. Abject apologies if English is not your first language.

[Binaryspellbook]

yer-no....

Reading this thread makes me think Avalon took a .22 right through the head 2 weeks ago. It's taking a while for the body to go cold and flies are all over it turning it into their new community.

I don't think so Norman. It's a good thing that we are able to discuss openly our views on this matter. For my part I think Charles is an arse, spouting nothing new whatsoever. Nevertheless it's important that we all focus and voice our opinions. Even Kerry.

[yaksuit]

Last year at this time Kerry supported the Heather Material and Bill had reservations. Fast forward and this year Bill supports the Charles Material and Kerry has reservations. What is to be learned from this? Both Bill and Kerry knows now what it is to be on the other side in an issue.

Now move along. Nothing to see here.

I see a sequence!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Just a thought: But if one of Charles's original assignments was to start a wedge between Kerry and Bill, it seems to me that many of the posts on this thread are contributing to exactly that.

Knee-jerk reactions come from the ego not the soul. Yes, we all have one, Kerry included. But when one knee-jerk reaction responds to another and others join in - where are we going? I suspect were playing right into the hands of Charles & friends. It's the old divide and conquer game and keep them squabbling amongst themselves so they don't unite against us.

Best move on.

[NancyV]

Of course Kerry has a big ego. Anyone who does what she does would have to have a strong ego. I have appreciated her interviews over the years even if I haven't always liked her style. For her to come into Bill's forum and attack both him and Charles is nothing but a low class move on her part, so it is her discernment that is questionable in my opinion. She came across as rude, condescending, a know it all, and with hostility and anger.

If the 33 did, in fact, have something to do with splitting up Bill and Kerry then I think they did Bill a big favor. Bill had a good moderating effect on Kerry at times and now she has no one to bring that moderation into her particular style and agenda. So the split may not have been as good for Kerry as it has been for Bill. There will be those who are attracted to Kerry's in your face style and there will be those who are attracted to Bill's logical and gentlemanly style. She has not proven the credentials of those she interviews who are basically channeling their information, but of course that can't be proven. One just has to buy it, hook, line and sinker. So for Kerry to criticize Bill for not verifying everything Charles says is not only ludicrous, but hypocritical. Apparently she never did know Bill very well because she is certainly underestimating his intelligence and capabilities.

I, for one, do not stick my head in the sand in order to avoid what might be unpleasant truths, just for the sake of being nice and loving. I don't consider that ignoring the truth has anything to do with being loving. If the truth is harsh then so be it. Anyone who is bothered by stating obvious facts that seem harsh would be advised to prepare themselves for some harsher truths that might happen in years to come. Ignoring them won't make them go away.

Nancy

[irishspirit]

Excellent question.

I think that everyone is entitled to their view point. God knows, the views of the Charlie Material on here where mixed, and at times heated.

However, I think with Kerry, she has run into it head first without first thinking things through, or at the very least, checking all the material and supporting material (Bill's 50 min video). As much as I dislike saying this, Kerry has a massive Ego going on there, and is getting lost in her own feeling of importance.

When I read this title, the first thing that came to mind would be the fact had Kerry been contacted by Charlie, he would have been the biggest witness to come forward. I also get the feeling, like in the past, Bill would have reserved judgement on the witness until all facts where on then table. I do not feel that Bill would have attack the witness as Kerry has done.

I know of the previous problem with Avalon 1, however, bear in mind just how long Bill held back before letting loss. That, in my view, was fine judgement on Bill Behalf.

My advise to Kerry would be, look at Bill and learn.

Be Safe

Irish

[DawgBone]

There is a phenomenal propensity in humans to discard the big picture, zero in on nuances and then shoot the messenger. The last few days on this forum I've seen quite a bit of this. There is a thread trying to discredit Jordan Maxwell, others going after David Icke, still others chuckling over David Wilcock and of course Kerry.



Those in the alternative media are expected to be fully ascended avatars, have all of their energy in perfect alignment in their lower terrestrial chakras, and speak only universal truths. If they are found to have any flaws and still working on their own karma, these flaws are to be exploited, marginalized and the entire message should be discarded and thrown into the trash bin. Does that sound reasonable? I know that's a very extreme rendition of this phenomenon and of course I would just be "broad brushing" and throwing everyone into the same pile, but I hope it illustrates my point without anyone thinking it is a personal attack on them.



And that is the point. We are all ascending and evolving "out of" the Newtonian paradigm of polarized patriarchal viewpoints and adopting and emerging into a "unified" whole brain discourse. Let's be patient as we transition and be mindful of the pitfalls.

Also, I don't discount the possibility that there is a concerted effort being implemented to go after the alternative media and discredit those that are getting too close to the truth. I see this as a clue to what's really going on.

Excellent post, Reaper!

We need to cultivate tolerance and a sense of humor and keep the vibration here as high as possible. That is our best defense. There are without question people who would like to discourage, discredit, slander and confuse us. They are very good at this sort of thing. They do this professionally.

[Binaryspellbook]

Of course Kerry has a big ego. Anyone who does what she does would have to have a strong ego. I have appreciated her interviews over the years even if I haven't always liked her style. For her to come into Bill's forum and attack both him and Charles is nothing but a low class move on her part, so it is her discernment that is questionable in my opinion. She came across as rude, condescending, a know it all, and with hostility and anger.

If the 33 did, in fact, have something to do with splitting up Bill and Kerry then I think they did Bill a big favor. Bill had a good moderating effect on Kerry at times and now she has no one to bring that moderation into her particular style and agenda. So the split may not have been as good for Kerry as it has been for Bill. There will be those who are attracted to Kerry's in your face style and there will be those who are attracted to Bill's logical and gentlemanly style. She has not proven the credentials of those she interviews who are basically channeling their information, but of course that can't be proven. One just has to buy it, hook, line and sinker. So for Kerry to criticize Bill for not verifying everything Charles says is not only ludicrous, but hypocritical. Apparently she never did know Bill very well because she is certainly underestimating his intelligence and capabilities.

I, for one, do not stick my head in the sand in order to avoid what might be unpleasant truths, just for the sake of being nice and loving. I don't consider that ignoring the truth has anything to do with being loving. If the truth is harsh then so be it. Anyone who is bothered by stating obvious facts that seem harsh would be advised to prepare themselves for some harsher truths that might happen in years to come. Ignoring them won't make them go away.

Nancy

Very well said indeed Nancy. Most certainly the split was more beneficial to Bill. I am thankful for that. The frustration Bill must surely have felt during some of the Camelot interviews was indeed palpable. Kerry's heart may be in the right place, but I suspect her head isn't. More and more she is now coming across as a "tabloid alternative." That saddens me immensely.

[3optic]

Yes, this is my take on the problem......one of many I suspect...

the Charles material challenges the entire Draconian reptoid theme of controllers based in or around the Mojave area, the US in general. Prior to the Charles material an intricate theme had been teased out which centered the bad guys firmly in the US in underground bases. A lot of research time has been put into getting a coherent story of bad guys developed. Now the Charles material has to all intents and purposes changed the playing field and moved it elsewhere. How can this be? A lot of people have put decades of research into developing a picture that is coherent and consistent within the bounds available to them.

If the Charles material did not ruffle feathers in the community it would have been very surprising.

Very insightful post. I'd been waiting for you to expound on what you had said earlier, Icecold. This is a very common motivation on the part of researchers imo. I believe the tendency to dismiss or attack opposing points of view happens sub-consciously for the most part.

Just as it's unwise to predict the future or specific dates, determining a geographical locale could also be a mistake. The whole operation seems decentralized, non-local even. This is not to say there aren't important locations, bases residences, etc.

[irishspirit]

Nancy,

Where did Kerry come onto the forum and attack Bill? I did not see that. I wouldn't be shocked in the least.

[kinsuemei2]

I see a sequence!

Not so, the Heather Material was nothing in comparison to the scope of this, and again I shared a vast amount of information with Aaron about the HM and it is what it is, I also video documented the building, with the church entrance go see it on you-tube my TTC interview with Aaron, and you will see my ugly mug on cam! for the first time LOL ANYWAYS this is nothing like that because this is a link to the people that feel they are in charge. So I can't see the comparison here, although it might look that way, I can assure you this is a very different animal. Further more this could be one of the most important interviews of Bills life. I have people who emailed me about Charles who had no reason to so I do believe this man is who he says he is.

[Carmody]

Kerry has her own mannerisms and thinking and the associated methods of interacting with people, same as I do and as anyone else does. I refuse to lay judgment at her feet, when I do not personally know her. And even if I did know her, I'd never lay judgment at her feet over much of anything. Wrong thing to do in my book. To anyone.

A tough lesson to learn as to do it requires that one remove some of the aspects of ego function. That dang ego thing is pretty darned good at hiding in the self and projecting into your attempts to discern and exist. Happens to me every day. The problem is seeing and understanding it for what it is.

[kikitom]

- Kerry could be a little jelous of the attention Bill has received from the interview; doesn't have the diplomatic savvy of verbally disagreeing without insulting; or a little of both. I understand the important points Kerry is trying to convey, but her choice of words leaves one just a little unsettled.
Let's just say her comments could have been a little more constructive, especially when Bill himself admits to a lot of unaswered questions and the fact that some of her interviews are really new agey and just as questionable. I would like to see them work better with one another, but I will continue to support their work and appreciate their noble intentions of bringing forth information that we would otherwise not be exposed to.

[BrianEn]

I think Kerry could have chosen her words more carefully. I really didn't like being told to get a grip. I found that quite insulting. A more tactful warning would have sufficed and opened a dialouge where people could've responded to her instead of reacting. That would've been more productive. But that's could of, should of, would've thinking.

Charles resonates quite well with me, but I only know what I have been told. So far I see Charles as a professional in what he does. If he wasn't good he wouldn't be there. They(The 33) would have never brought him into their confidence. I have only my gut feelings in this. I trust my gut though. It has seen me through some pretty hairy situations. I'm just trying to keep an open mind and not come to any conclusions. Life is about the journey and not the destination.

[3optic]

Nancy,

Where did Kerry come onto the forum and attack Bill? I did not see that. I wouldn't be shocked in the least.

She did not attack Bill imo. The comments can be found here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11154-Charles-comments-about-a-False-Flag-ET-threat-event-important-new-information/page10

and here (after the initial post, some forum members were rankled by what seemed a hit and run approach):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11154-Charles-comments-about-a-False-Flag-ET-threat-event-important-new-information/page14

Bill's response to Kerry's initial post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11154-Charles-comments-about-a-False-Flag-ET-threat-event-important-new-information/page11

[Celine]

she didnt attack him.. she underminded him

She insulted the community

and she leaves us all hanging..

Each time she posts, i have less and less respect for her position

[irishspirit]

Not being funny here. However, has anyone noticed that this is no longer about the Charles Material and has become about Kerry?

EGO feeding anyone?

Kerry gets what she wants again. IMHO.

Just Saying.

Irish

[yaksuit]

Last year at this time Kerry supported the Heather Material and Bill had reservations. Fast forward and this year Bill supports the Charles Material and Kerry has reservations. What is to be learned from this? Both Bill and Kerry knows now what it is to be on the other side in an issue.

Now move along. Nothing to see here.


I see a sequence!


Not so, the Heather Material was nothing in comparison to the scope of this, and again I shared a vast amount of information with Aaron about the HM and it is what it is, I also video documented the building, with the church entrance go see it on you-tube my TTC interview with Aaron, and you will see my ugly mug on cam! for the first time LOL ANYWAYS this is nothing like that because this is a link to the people that feel they are in charge. So I can't see the comparison here, although it might look that way, I can assure you this is a very different animal. Further more this could be one of the most important interviews of Bills life. I have people who emailed me about Charles who had no reason to so I do believe this man is who he says he is.

I will have to have a squizz at your mug. :)
Actually I was being a bit cryptic and was hoping someone would "ask".

A broader sequence in that "Charles" stated that Camelot had to deal with discourse/people that were "sent"
to disinfo, discredit and ultimately divide. Unfortunately this sensation of "division" is still current.
I for one am very much looking forward to another video with "Charles".
cheers
yak

[Bill Ryan]

I cringed in embarrassment when she asked Bob Dean in one interview, "is a captain higher than an admiral ?" I'd put my mortgage on Bill not having to ask that question.

Made me laugh. Your mortgage is safe! :)

[mrmalco]

Or it could also be "professional jealousy" that Bill landed this interview.

The thought did occur!

[jorr lundstrom]

Take it easy, so you dont get lost.

[The Arthen]

As much as I tend to dislike Kerry sometimes, I can't help but still feel very very uneasy regarding Charles.

Ok fine, I'm just going to say it out loud. Bill has done an excellent job interviewing Charles. However, it is true. Charles has mentioned nothing new, AND we don't know if his "confirmations" of certain things are "indeed" confirmations.

Already, there are some who have seen this video who already believe that "going against the system" is futile, and that we should "have people in charge". Imagine the pychology we all are familiar with that ensnares mainstream people - but this time, this is for us who know what's going on.

I'm going at this interview with caution. Personally I am not a big fan of Kerry, but I think somewhere she feels something in her gut. Bill and Kerry were divided and conquered....

Ultimately I just want both Bill and Kerry to know, that while I have love for them, I will not be afraid to stand outside of their presentations and be aware of forces that might go and manipulate them.

Bill and Kerry - you still have my love.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I cringed in embarrassment when she asked Bob Dean in one interview, "is a captain higher than an admiral ?" I'd put my mortgage on Bill not having to ask that question.


Perhaps she needs an insider to come forward and blow the lid on the esoteric and quasi-masonic ranking system of the military lol

[Bill Ryan]

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From http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11154-Charles-comments-about-a-False-Flag-ET-threat-event-important-new-information&p=98061&viewfull=1#post98061

Important statement:

I greatly respect Kerry's sincerity, passion, and determination to get to the truth of issues. I respect her honesty and tireless work on behalf of others. I respect her courage and her selflessness.

[Celine]

Everyone in the alternative media community is looking for the proverbial Holy Grail

All motivated by different reasons...

[Ilie Pandia]

Made me laugh. Your mortgage is safe! :)

Bill why do you fuel this fire?

I do not agree with Kerry's point of view on this one, but what is there to be embarrassed about when you ask an honest question you do not know the answer to? There are so many questions not being asked due to fear of being laughed at...

The demonization of the alternative media is well under way and you keep fighting over this... why can't you just agree to disagree on this issue instead off pointing at each others past mistakes?

[Celine]

Fuel it?

The guy took a very UNproffesional hit from kerry.. and kept his thoughts constructive...

[yaksuit]

Charles has mentioned nothing new, AND we don't know if his "confirmations" of certain things are "indeed" confirmations.

This has become a meme (imo). I am not sure how many posts/threads you have read in relation to "Charles"?. I am trying to be helpful here :) and suggest that the "Charles" material is a "dialogue", unlike a Hollywood film that usually has a beginning a middle and an end (three acts). This has been presented as a work in progress which is clear when you watch the two videos and also the update from "Charles".


I'm going at this interview with caution. Personally I am not a big fan of Kerry, but I think somewhere she feels something in her gut. Bill and Kerry were divided and conquered....

There may be some "division" but I don't see any evidence of conquering. :)

[The Arthen]

There may be some "division" but I don't see any evidence of conquering. :)

Indeed. For that I'm glad. Still, I will do my best to maintain a "contingency" outside view in case anything smelly comes up.

[NancyV]

she didnt attack him.. she underminded him

She insulted the community

and she leaves us all hanging..

Each time she posts, i have less and less respect for her position
I will agree that she was rude, condescending, questioning of Bill's judgment and was undermining him. Hmmm.. sounds like an attack to me, be it ever so subtle (not). Her style of attacking is less than a full frontal assault so one might choose to think it's just stating her "opinion", but the energy behind it was hostile, demeaning and attacking... and I like to call a spade a spade.

Before anyone is offended thinking that the phrase "to call a spade a spade" is racially insensitive here is the etymology;

"To call a spade a spade, which means 'to speak plainly and bluntly; to speak without euphemisms', is first found in Ancient Greece. The exact origin is uncertain; the playwright Menander, in a fragment, said "I call a fig a fig, a spade a spade," but Lucian attributes the phrase to Aristophanes. Later, Plutarch notes that "The Macedonians are a rude and clownish people who call a spade a spade." (It is worth noting that the Greek word translated as "spade" seems actually to mean something like "bowl" or "trough"; the "spade" may be based on a Renaissance mistranslation. In this case the original expression was "to call a bowl a bowl," and thus the "spade" expression is "only" 500, rather than 2,500, years old.)"

Nancy

[irishspirit]

Bill why do you fuel this fire?

If I remember right, Bill laughed on Camera to. Therefore, not saying anything out of the norm.

I would say that Bill has been more than reserved and thinking more of the greater good than you give him Credit for.

Where you to take that level of a hit for your hard work, could you be as calm and professional as Bill has remained?

I take my hat of to you Mr Ryan on this one.

[DawgBone]

"To call a spade a spade, which means 'to speak plainly and bluntly; to speak without euphemisms', is first found in Ancient Greece. The exact origin is uncertain; the playwright Menander, in a fragment, said "I call a fig a fig, a spade a spade," but Lucian attributes the phrase to Aristophanes. Later, Plutarch notes that "The Macedonians are a rude and clownish people who call a spade a spade." (It is worth noting that the Greek word translated as "spade" seems actually to mean something like "bowl" or "trough"; the "spade" may be based on a Renaissance mistranslation. In this case the original expression was "to call a bowl a bowl," and thus the "spade" expression is "only" 500, rather than 2,500, years old.)"

Thank you for that bit of history!

I personally like, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ..."

[sandy]

Hi Binaryspellbook, thank you for your response, thus I will say it in plain English
If your ego, intention and emotion go unchecked before voicing your opinion then you are operating from unawareness and possible hidden agenda's, IE. to be right in order to lessen one's own unknown fears, to assert your intellect or knowledge over another and on and on. Also, I believe it is important to hear all perspectives from the far right or left as somewhere in the middle of this information is the creation of new or plausible solutions. I hope this clarification helps..

[irishspirit]

Hi Binaryspellbook, thank you for your response, thus I will say it in plain English
If your ego, intention and emotion go unchecked before voicing your opinion then you are operating from unawareness and possible hidden agenda's, IE. to be right in order to lessen one's own unknown fears, to assert your intellect or knowledge over another and on and on. Also, I believe it is important to hear all perspectives from the far right or left as somewhere in the middle of this information is the creation of new or plausible solutions. I hope this clarification helps..


I like that response Sandy.

[sandy]

Thank you and I agree fully Ba-ba-ra

[Ilie Pandia]

I regret now that I have joined this conversation.

And I will leave it by saying that I appreciate the work of both Kerry and Bill. I personally like Bill's style better because for me is easier to follow and understand, but I also keep and eye on Kerry's blog and the Camelot site.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill why do you fuel this fire?

I do not agree with Kerry's point of view on this one, but what is there to be embarrassed about when you ask an honest question you do not know the answer to? There are so many questions not being asked due to fear of being laughed at...

The demonization of the alternative media is well under way and you keep fighting over this... why can't you just agree to disagree on this issue instead off pointing at each others past mistakes?

Hi, Pixel - that wasn't a jibe. It was a joke... the two are different. :)

I'm talking with Kerry right this minute in real time as I'm writing this (taking a very short break) - all is cool.

We are like brother and sister - Mulder and Scully. There is no conflict.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Mulder and Scully... what an amusing but frighteningly appropriate comparison.

[Chuck]

The Charles material and this thread has provided a great learning potential about “Thyself”. In other words, observe that which ‘rattles your cage’ , ‘presses your buttons’ in order to get an enlightened perspective of unresolved issues in your life.

For me, the Charles material drudges up my own fears that there is no one out there looking out for my self. (Self here defined as bodily incarnation, not higher spiritual Self). This, as I feared all along, I must do myself. You bet, there is a part of me that wants to grab the 33 by their scrawny throats and bash their heads together, heheheh. But that would only serve to replace their power with mine… and all this will start anew.

Likewise, observe one’s reaction to other’s reaction, including Kerry’s. It’ll teach you a lot about yourself. Don’t let this teaching opportunity get away from you.

Everyone, all of life is a mirror to thy grand Self. Use this sacred, tumultuous moment to KNOW THYSELF! Do it now… or do it later when circumstances are much more than merely rattling your cage.

Respectfully and with full empathy,
Chuck

[Banshee]

from the free dictionary.com:

grand·stand (grndstnd, grn-)
n.
1. A roofed stand for spectators at a stadium or racetrack.
2. The spectators or audience at an event.
intr.v. grand·stand·ed, grand·stand·ing, grand·stands
3. To perform ostentatiously so as to impress an audience.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[sandy]

Way to go Bill:) "YOU ARE TRULY ENLIGHTENED"

[Arrowwind]

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Important statement:

I greatly respect Kerry's sincerity, passion, and determination to get to the truth of issues. I respect her honesty and tireless work on behalf of others. I respect her courage and her selflessness.

Thank you Bill. You and Kerry have spent a lot of time together working and planning and ploting ... a lot of water under the bridge, its clear to see... and I am sure lots of great memories both ecompassing both joy and struggle as well as the shock of trying to decipher and integrate all the things you have learned together over the years...so that you can maintain a steady keel in the midst of it all, and keep doing what you do so well with out psychologically fracturing.

Frankly I find this thread most disturbing.. and I have stayed away and watched because in essence I feel much the was Kerry does on this Charles topic... I t would be easy for me to assume that the stuff being flung her way could be towards me too...and no one likes to be flung at and thank god no personal photo of me is up here as I might get a critique at how unphotographic I am resulting in me feeling like I should not have bothered to post the reality of what I look like... ;)

But I will not get hung up on that...and Kerry if you are reading this.. don't you either. Our psysicallity is only our shell for the soul
You demonstrate your soul intent repeatedly over the years and it is good, and it is recognized and you are well loved for all the aspects of who you are.

And I am saying this all with good humor... because the whole thread is rediculous... just because Kerry dared to speak her truth sucinctly and without reservation... which I no doubt she has many times in the past and Bills likely heard it all before.


So be it! What is the big deal. Bill is a big guy and can process it quite well Im sure.
I don't see him being so dam defensive.

I am just astounded at some of the petty, small bitter comments made here... very personal attacks that I couldn't imagine for one second coming out of Bills mouth because I suspect they are not in his head, I would venture to guess.

What will this forum come to if people can not say their opinion... Bill would you have people silenced here just because they don't agree?
Opinons cannot always be backed by evidience as they come from some place deep within us usually, can be motivated either by our fears, our cautions, our ignorance, our knowledge, our wisdom... and often we don't even know which one when we speak them... but the message, the opinon is our truth for the moment and should be respected, if not liked... and debate regarding these opinions could be designed to uncover better better understandings, better self knowledge and better undertanding of the world, not a slaying of the messenger with ones crafty double edged sword of vitriol.

All this benefits no one and does not lend well to any form of group dynamics nor in raising ones consciousness or that of the groupl

[greybeard]

Hi, Pixel - that wasn't a jibe. It was a joke... the two are different. :)

I'm talking with Kerry right this minute in real time as I'm writing this (taking a very short break) - all is cool.

We are like brother and sister - Mulder and Scully. There is no conflict.

I am very happy Bill and Kerry.
Certainly its a Scottish way to pull the one you have a genuine love and understanding with's leg without mercy. An onlooker could easily get the wrong idea.
One of our old sayings is " I will turn his gas down to a peep" there is no chance of getting big headed here, you friends will put you in you place with humor.
Chris

[Celine]

Thank you Bill. You and Kerry have spent a lot of time together working and planning and ploting ... a lot of water under the bridge, its clear to see... and I am sure lots of great memories both ecompassing both joy and struggle as well as the shock of trying to decipher and integrate all the things you have learned together over the years...so that you can maintain a steady keel in the midst of it all, and keep doing what you do so well with out psychologically fracturing.

Frankly I find this thread most disturbing.. and I have stayed away and watched because in essence I feel much the was Kerry does on this Charles topic... I t would be easy for me to assume that the stuff being flung her way could be towards me too...and no one likes to be flung at and thank god no personal photo of me is up here as I might get a critique at how unphotographic I am resulting in dicipline on how I should not have bothered to post the reality of what I look like... ;)

But I will not get hung up on that...and Kerry if you are reading this.. don't you either. Our psysicallity is only our shell for the soul
You demonstrate your soul intent repeatedly over the years and it is good, and it is recognized.

And I am saying this all with good humor... because the whole thread is rediculous... just because Kerry dared to speak her truth siscenctly and without reservation... which I no doubt she has many times in the past and Bills likely heard it all before.


So be it! What is the big deal. Bill is a big guy and can process it quite well Im sure.
I don't see him being so dam defensive.

I am just astounded at some of the petty, small bitter comments made here... very personal attacks that I couldn't imagine for one second coming out of Bills mouth because I suspect they are not in his head, I would venture to guess.

What will this forum come to if people can not say their opinion... Bill would you have people silenced here just because they don't agree?
Opinons cannot always be backed by evidience as they come from some place deep within us usually, can be motivated either by our fears, our cautions, our ignorance, our knowledge, our wisdom... and often we don't even know which one when we speak them... but the message, the opinon is our truth for the moment and should be respected, if not liked... and debate regarding these opinions could be designed to uncover better better understandings, better self knowledge and better undertanding of the world, not a slaying of the messenger with ones crafty double edged sword of vitriol.

All this benefits no one and does not lend well to any form of group dynamics nor in raising ones consciousness or that of the groupl

The criticism i offer is purely on the basis of Kerry putting herself out there professionally.

Unless you were also doing this..i see no reason for any criticisms towards you

You offer your heart with sincerity and clarity.

Thank you

[cloud9]

Originally Posted by Binaryspellbook View Post
I cringed in embarrassment when she asked Bob Dean in one interview, "is a captain higher than an admiral ?" I'd put my mortgage on Bill not having to ask that question.


This is the kind of comment that makes me think how and why some people judge and criticize others...

As a female, I've never had any interest in the military and I can't tell the difference either, it never mattered to me.... if you feel this is a valid point to demonstrate a person's knowledge or trustworthiness we are all f***d up.

I don't even know the difference between a Chevrolet car and a Ford one, all I know it's they both have wheels and I can drive them but I do know many other things... that perhaps you don't know either but it doesn't mean I am superior or better than anyone else.

Would it be fair if I judge you badly because you don't know about nuclear fusion? Or you are not good on Geography?

All Charles threads have been about Charles this or that and Bill this or that too, why do people choose to focus on such unimportant things?

Most people just can't see beyond their noses but they think they do... as in the trees don't let you see the forest thing..

Please... before you judge someone remember: what you judge it's a reflection of yourself... it's like a mirror, so instead of writing what you are thinking publicly, why don't you analyze it first and ask yourself the question? What am I seeing here (in this person) that I don't like or agree with and it is a reflection of my own thinking or personality?

Do you people realize that doing the judgment thing we are going in circles and going nowhere? Don't you see it?

When are we going to pass beyond the individuals? Do you think that criticizing other will make you look better? Smarter?

[Celine]

Ummhuh??

So you dont have an interest in military...and if you were interviewing someone about it...would you educate yourself a tad, first?

This thread shows people (including Kerry) have NO idea what the difference between personal opinion, and professional opinion is..


Kerry = PROFESSIONAL INTERVIEWER

Why would we not expect her to know that a captain is below an admiral?

[Erin]

There's an old ILLUMINATI game that is often used to flush-out the enemy and reveal where they are coming from, what they will and won't fall for etc. It involves setting up a topic and then acting as though that topic or question has a secret answer that only you know... Then when the respondent replies you ENCOURAGE THEM with false flattery... to draw them out and ultimately end up revealing nothing and leaving them wondering WTF or what happened. That's what is going on here. Charles says nothing new. You do all the work. He applauds and you continue to reveal yourselves... giving him and his team (the 33) more ammunition by which to enslave you.

I don't think anyone here, including Bill, is ruling out the possibility that it's a psy-op (despite whatever evidence, public or private, there is to the contrary), like Kerry is implying. I understand her concern, but I don't think she has all of the facts (well, she might now that Bill is chatting with her).

And I ask this: If it does turn out to be a psy-op, how does that actually damage anything at this juncture?

Most of what we have from Charles is confirmation - it's not like there has been any crazy new information that Bill would be left holding, like the Pickering brothers weird hexagon crystal alien creatures from a little while back. Maybe it would damage his credibility a bit, but again, with his track record, there always have to be bumps along the way. And because we all had thoughts of "potential psy-op" it wouldn't come out of nowhere as a huge shock that we never saw coming.

Basically, I think there are some slippery slope flaws in Kerry's argument against this material. I'm looking forward to hearing what she has to say after having talked with Bill...

[kari]

Personally i think she is brilliant, i have followed her and Bill`s work from the start, and i think she is one of the most intelligent persons around,and she has a right to her opinion, it`s not to hurt Bill in any way, but to give everybody else another side of what might be going on, thats all, keep up the good work Kerry you are the best, and so are you Bill.
Kari

[chelmostef]

And I ask this: If it does turn out to be a psy-op, how does that actually damage anything at this juncture?

Most of what we have from Charles is confirmation - it's not like there has been any crazy new information that Bill would be left holding,

I haven't had time to keep up with all that's going on here at the moment.
But I completely agree with you cosmic. We have not even got to the good stuff yet or possibly good stuff, it seems... What a hullabaloo over confirmation over what every one kinda knows already, should we not see what else he has to say? Before lynching him?
Attacking Charles is primitive and naive. IMO

When the government is putting mercury in your teeth its quite obvious what the motives are. And Charles confirmed this!!! It a revelation! (thats sarcasim)

I do think Kerry is looking for her cash cow to milk, sorry if that is a bit harsh, it just comes across that way to me.

[Ixopoborn]

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Important statement:

I greatly respect Kerry's sincerity, passion, and determination to get to the truth of issues. I respect her honesty and tireless work on behalf of others. I respect her courage and her selflessness.

Well said that man!

I have to declare mucky hands on this issue. After I read the Heather material - just after it was published - I instantly thought Kerry had made a monumental error of judgement concerning the material. It had dozens of really really obvious issues of provenance. Putting it bluntly, I thought, "if I, as a mere amateur, am able to spot the cringingly obvious problems in this material, why can Kerry not"?

Then I got to think that, if Kerry has got this wrong, what else is she getting wrong?

Then I got to think about her music and wondered if she is the only one who does not know it is genuinely bad stuff?

Then, I started to question how much of Kerry’s confidence is, actually, quite badly rooted?

Then I got to think that maybe, just maybe, Bill is the true intellectual force behind Camelot. I have posted in this vein before.

Then I decided that if I was too choose between following Kerry’s judgement or Bill’s – it had to be Bill’s – so here I am a member of Avalon, not Camelot.

Since that time, Kerry has done lots of stuff and Bill has done significantly less. Some of Kerry’s stuff has been rubbish and some quite good but overall not stupendously good. I think her best work is done on her blog which is good overall.

Bill’s output has been more limited but the quality has been great. We have had the “Anglo Saxon Mission”, a nice piece with Jordan Maxwell and Credo Mutwa and now this monster piece with Charles.

The most significant thing about the disclosures Charles has made so far is that he has credibly established the existence of the “nuts and bolts” of the controllers’ control mechanisms: the clean up squads, murder squads, disinfo squads etc all seem 100 times more real following publication of the Charles material to date. For this reason, I am deeply grateful to Charles and Bill for coming forward and publishing.

Celine has posted lots of stuff on this thread with which I broadly agree: Kerry should be more careful in the way she goes about things.

Kerry probably considers the Charles material to be a direct attack on her – that would be understandable. She, like most of us, has read between the lines of some of what Charles has said, and assumes that Charles has indicated to Bill that the 33 consider Kerry to be much less of a problem to them than Bill. It seems to me that is exactly what has happened here!

However, nobody, just nobody can disagree with Bill’s statement quoted above. Kerry’s fine qualities do indeed dwarf the whole weight of her poor ones.

I just wish Kerry would listen to Bill a bit more – he may take 10 times longer to make his points but that is because he likes to be careful, an extremely fine attribute in any truth seeker if I may say so!

[Icecold]

To the members who want this debate to go away.....

It really needs to be aired. I joined this forum because its different, it has a sober, honest approach to the phenomenon. I expect that the members reflect this ethos. I am happy here away from the lunatic fringe which I abhor. I think Bill is distancing himself from that fringe and we should support him all the way in that regard. No, its not a taboo to criticise what is considered either inflated showmanship or downright crazy or mis-guided material.

Two people on this thread have mentioned David Wilcock. Using Kerry's vernacular...WTF????

David Wilcock is probably one of the reasons Bill is taking a step back from the abyss. This chap thinks he is an incarnation of Edgar Cayce, his family are incarnations of Edgar Cayce's family. More to the point, he claims to be an angel (from the 6th realm) on a mission from God to save mankind. Now, none of this is supported by any evidence whatsoever. This is truly looney stuff. His website is a department store for New Age material. He sells tickets to his 'appearances' for $250.00 a piece. Now, if that's not ringing some bells....

Because he claims to be Edgar Cayce, he is in prophet mode most of the time. Now I watched his interview with G.Hancock and was not at all impressed by his ADHD style of interviewing.

He insinuated himself into the Pete Petersen interview for whatever reason, he certainly contributed nothing to that except his 'love and light' view. You could tell from the body language that Dr. Petersen was not comfortable responding to him.

I think Bill being the gentleman and professional that he is, has moved this forum into some clear air.


What's wrong with this picture?

[selinam]

I love this forum but find at times that people are way too critical of each other! Everyone has an opinion and should feel free to give it, even if we don't agree with it. Isn't this what a forum is for?

[buffski]

Ah, this damned computer!!!! I used to know where the YAWN and TUT signs were.

Cant believe I scanned this whole thread, but I had to see if the bickering and squawking ever subsided.

So you all get some info over a few years, some of it slightly add odds with other info, and then a new drift comes in and..........................

BAM!!!!! you neglect the info and embark on a jolly of jibes and quips and 'she said' 'he said' and then even start hissy fitting at each other ??????

GET A GRIP

:)

[Celine]

Yes i am very glad to be able to share my opinion about Kerry's proffesional work

Kerry is welcome to share hers, about my proffesional work anytime too.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well remember when the 33 split us up, Bill was worried for Kerry, now it is her turn to worry back...


They really are best of buds whether some days they know it or not... ;)

[Fractalius]

Cast your judgements into the ring. The judgements made unprofessionally about unprofessional-ism. Round and round the ball bounces in the drum, making the appropriate noises and travelling nowhere past the walls. Ask what you have proven by dissecting the ball that bounces. Is the fear and concern that is qualified by ones own ego a mirror to the fear and concern qualified by another's ego to which you revolt. The hand slaps its own face.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C9dYfzUTJ4&feature=related

[buffski]

FRACTALIUS ....and with that wonderfully concise text and video response to the babble, we gleefully head off to bed :)

Superb!!

Good on you :) x x

[Anchor]

Cast your judgements into the ring. The judgements made unprofessionally about unprofessional-ism. Round and round the ball bounces in the drum, making the appropriate noises and travelling nowhere past the walls. Ask what you have proven by dissecting the ball that bounces. Is the fear and concern that is qualified by ones own ego a mirror to the fear and concern qualified by another's ego to which you revolt. The hand slaps its own face.

Fear no judgement except that which you make of yourself ( and even then take it easy on yourself, there is plenty of time to get things right ;) )

Some people say this thread was unnecessary personally I was rather interested to see a new layer of previously unrevealed colours from those posting. I am sure the 33 representatives were too. Someone, somewhere, will be updating their formulae that define forum behavioural mechanics with greater fidelity - and hone their methods of forum manipulation :)

John..

[Sidney]

well remember when the 33 split us up, Bill was worried for Kerry, now it is her turn to worry back...


They really are best of buds whether some days they know it or not... ;)

Personally this whole thing has me worried about both of them and the rest of us too. Sorry; but I respect and like Kerry and Bill both, equally. As people and journalists. They are however not two peas in a pod. They are opposites in a lot of ways, that is why they compliment each other. That said: regardless how much I trust both of their POVs, I trust my own more than anyones, and on this one, I have to say, my BS meter has been buzzing since I firstg listened to the original interrview. Going by the information that we have been given, I am With Kerry on this one.
Someone, that we have no absolute way of knowing for certain who he is, is "confirming" things we all already had heard. Too many unknowns. For me, it is that simple. Its not about KERRY vs BILL, which is what people seem to be making this out to be, again,,,,divide and conquer. A divide and conqer campaign.
Little by little, it seems there is more and more division. Between Kerry and Bill. And between avalon members against Camalot members. Avalon members against avalon members and Camalot members against camelot members. So far, this is what has been accomplished.

That said, there have been some relatively good attrempts at finding some solutions to the main problem at hand which is the population/genocide/survival deal.

So far, I have not seen any attempt whatsoever, at making some kind of potential plan, to further the communications with charles and the 33, except "it could be 2 weeks, or 2 years". Or something like that.

There seems to be no answers in sight. The one thing we do have to look forward to is hearing BOTH Kerry and Bill speaking together. Two people that I do trust, rather waiting to hear again from Charles, that I don't trust as of yet. (not that that won't happen). Anyway. I think I will wait around and see what happens, as it seems that thus far, nothing much new has materalized.

[NinjaPhil]

I think it's a shame that Kerry thought she needed to post in that way and that it's a great shame that she's being the way she is with Bill.

That said, we need to not focus on this stuff. 1 person, just one, says 'get a grip' and we're 7 pages in the wrong direction and there's even more of a divide than before. Whether Charles is real or not isn't the issue right now, if as a lot of people are saying already 'nothing new is said' then taking Charles himself out of the equation; should we not as a group be working out our response strategies to this stuff and not focussing on trying to prove things.

Also, important point: Why why why why why are we going with the name 'Alternative Media'. Seriously WHY???

[AlkaMyst]

To whom it may concern,

I will make my peace with this and I will let it go......take it for what it is!

I have been reading this Thread and was not going to get involved, but I can't take it anymore and I must speak my mind. By reading through the comments on this thread and several other, I have noticed that certain people who's names I won't mention so feelings won't get hurt come to this forum in hopes to bash and judge others comments and feelings and my question to those of you is "Who are you to judge anyone". You want to come in here and act in some of the threads as if you are some kind of enlighten person and then go to others and completely bash someone's feelings for expressing themselves.

Seriously, who DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? to suppress anyone's thoughts and points of view, that is what makes us all special and unites us all in this forum. If you don't like what someone has to say then you have all the right to express yourself towards that in a respectful and intelligent manner and not make accusations towards anyone as you're only expressing your believes and no one believes on the same things so respect others if you wish to be respected.

Remember that Bill and Kerry are very good friends with different points of view and they respect each other in every way, so why are some people here so quick to jump the gun and start discrediting her here. She is just as much part of Camelot/Avalon as any of us here and be honest, if it wasn't for her and Bill we wouldn't even be here discussing this.

It seems to me that the forum is getting way out of hand with people just posting negative and derogatory comments all over the place and no one seems to care.....Well I do, and I'm asking you guys to be a little bit more mature when you decide to express yourselves!

I will not comment on this thread again and if my words are take as an insult then you must read this again, as I'm only expressing what I see happening. I mean no disrespect to anyone here and if any of you feel that way then I must apologize for maybe I didn't get my message across in a comprehensive manner.

Other then that, Have a nice day! :yo:

Blessings to All,
AlkaMyst

[Celine]

Who is supressing who?

No one that i saw said.. "you are not allowed to say that"

we are ALL sharing our points of view..including Kerry

If she can.. why cant we?

Is she off limits?

[Fractalius]

It is not a plan or an opportunity to plan in the conventional sense.
It is a progress report.
Imagine the various degrees of contention and confliction spread through other groups of individuals.
One might perceive conflict where it is not. Sometimes this is bound by personal expectation.
The opportunity to learn how to step back and view is only a step away.
Watch what happens when you do. Be observant or you may miss it.
Where are the merits of self control and self editing and where are the pitfalls?
Discerning such things is not always logical.
Every action is a gift with several opposing lessons.

[Celine]

Kerry did NOT respect Bill with her statement..

Bill said so himself.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Part of PA??? she has 6 posts...sicne she signed up a year ago..

She does not partake in ANY of the management of the forum.

Her followers come here to make sure we all see/hear what she is up to... thats all

[Harley]

It's possible that at least some of us may have to go somewhere and/or do something. - (Unnamed - 15 NOV 2010

Harley Hawkins: It's time. - (Celine - 16 NOV 2010)

the quietest ones are always heard louder then the loud ones.

. . . . ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

we aren't alternative media...

we are a candy shop for those waking up with grass in their teeth from grazing...

the 33 came to us to play a game called save the children...

on one team we have incredibly powerful players with everything you can imagine at their disposal...

on the other team a group with all the money and hidden knowledge their best weapon - fear...

I don't know about all of you but looks like the odds are stacked in our favor...

[bodixa]

I can't believe the tone of this place. It's toe-curling.

Each and everyone of us is 100% individually responsible for what we do with the information that is presented to us. This is a research forum isn't it? If people are daft enough to listen to what is being presented and believe ANY of it without serious scrutiny and evidence, then let's all go back to church, because the story's a whole lot nicer and I can be Jesus' friend.

The only reason for Kerry's scrutiny is her genuine concern for her friend. Ain't it?

How disappointing this all is. :(

[AlkaMyst]

Who is supressing who?

No one that i saw said.. "you are not allowed to say that"

we are ALL sharing our points of view..including Kerry

If she can.. why cant we?

Is she off limits?


Kerry did NOT respect Bill with her statement..

Bill said so himself.

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Part of PA??? she has 6 posts...sicne she signed up a year ago..

She does not partake in ANY of the management of the forum.

Her followers come here to make sure we all see/hear what she is up to... thats all

See this is what I'm talking about, thanks you for clarifying my point Céline. You act as if you know it all and as if this forum belongs to you and I really feel sorry for you.....you must take a long hard look at yourself and really see what is it that's bothering you in your life cause your comments are rude and spoken without any thought of processing whatsoever. How may times are you going to make comments like this and then go around and apologize for what you have said, as you do quite often.

I'm not insulting you or judging you, just trying to make you see that not everyone has to agree with you.......I said I was not going to comment again, but you just have to keep them coming don't you!!!


Quote Originally Posted by Céline View Post
the quietest ones are always heard louder then the loud ones.

Maybe you should practice what you speak!

You can say whatever you want to say about me, you don't know me and I really don't care.....learn to have some respect for other and respects other values!

Take it as you may, it is what it is!!!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst.

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By the way, I'M DONE WITH THIS THREAD!!!!

Have a nice day!!!

[Gone001]

It seems more like it's all about controversy lately as apposed to learning and understanding. I can see it from both their points of view. They are very different. One more spiritual one more scientific, I have this same kind of relationship with people I work with and these differences can cause heated debate. On one hand I can see were bill is coming from, he's not stating we've gotten new information, hes trying to get the point across that the vast field of possibilities that we've been bombarded with has been narrowed down to a select few events he strongly believes WILL happen, thus giving us a better idea of how to prepare for the physical environment we could be inhabiting in coming years. I think its clear he doesn't morally or ethically agree with these controllers and in turn is only working with them because he genuinely feels he can give us not only clarifying information from the source, but also give us a better psychological understanding of the controllers in question. I think that's pretty much all you can ask of the guy and remember what Sun-Tzu said "Keep your friends close and your enemy's even closer". Now on Kerry's side, yes she is correct there is no new information here and yes as we are all aware Charles could be duping Bil, gaining his trust and through him influencing the Alt community. Personally I like to think Bill has better judgment then that and hey, what can I say, I trust the guy; this still does not rule out the Psi. opp possibility (for is anything not possible?) which will remain over are heads until time begins to unfold. I also think Kerry and other members are disappointed in the lack of coverage of the more Spiritual/ Esoteric side. This Interview really only covers the physical world we'll be dealing with. I personally believe and agree that there are other factors in play that will reveal themselves over the next few years and have an impact despite the controlling powers financial influence. Do you know the saying "If you look at anything too close you can miss the bigger picture"? I think this concept applies to the Charles interview due in part to Bill's own enthusiasm about the new material. Just take it in and decide for yourself what your going to inevitably decide for yourself anyway (isn't that what we've done all along, isn't that what lead us here?). To me it doesn't matter, we won't know anything for sure till it comes to be. All we can do in the meantime is prepare best we can based on our own understanding of the future. I personally believe there's only one thing that can happen to change the world anyways and that's a large scale revolution based off of waking up the mass's. I think the people have to take back the world from these people in charge and restructure society completely. You can't have things like a monetary system again despite how radical that seems to people because it's the root of most of society's problems. Money is what allows people like these controllers to gain the power and influence they have in the first place. See, I'm more interested in revolt myself, rather then patiently waiting while someone who views me only as part of an experiment deems me worthy of more knowledge tidbits. Alas I'm under no grand illusions of my large scale revolt coming to fruition anytime soon, so I suppose playing the game is the best option right now despite how much it may make some of us cringe. You know, I think it really did almost happen in the 60's; Wide scale change. You hear people talking about this strange visitation of energy and being on the verge of something. Then it's stomped out in one foul swoop. 1969 you have Nixon put into office and then three of the most influential freedom advocates (as well as musicians), Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix and Jim Morrison (my biggest influence) die within a year of each other all at 27. Also the decade Kennedy died as well as several other influential artists and freedom thinkers. An incredibly sad but truly extraordinary and explosive generation of hope extinguished by an icy Bureaucratic down pour. I feel strongly that we're in the same kinda position now I just hope the outcome is better this time. Anyway, in closing (haha), fighting isn't going to solve our problems, at least, not fighting each other. I hope Kerry and Bills personal Issues work themselves out (Lead by example) and I wish them both the best.

The old get old and the young get stronger
may take a week and it may take longer
they got the guns but we got the numbers
gonna win, yeah, we're takin over, come on!
(Verse from the doors: Five to One)

Cheers,

Aldous

[Fractalius]

we aren't alternative media...

we are a candy shop for those waking up with grass in their teeth from grazing...

the 33 came to us to play a game called save the children...

on one team we have incredibly powerful players with everything you can imagine at their disposal...

on the other team a group with all the money and hidden knowledge their best weapon - fear...

I don't know about all of you but looks like the odds are stacked in our favor...

And some of us eat sugar and processed food, smoke tobacco and drink 'bad' water etc. There is every chance that the projected theory on foods affecting DNA and the ability to 'awaken' is merely a hypnotic suggestion. Some of us are even ugly and unkempt I would surmise. Hehe.

[keiththompsonmusic]

I am merely a student of human nature, an observer of what is, what isn't and what could be...some may call it paranoid, I like to call it awareness. We are playing with chessmasters at all levels, beings with eons to set the stage for all of us to act upon. I am always wary of those bearing gifts, especially those that have a vested interest in the outcome or payback. Granted, whistleblowers are usually at the end of their rope with disgust, fear or impending demise...whatever the reason, we have a duty to be vigilant to all potential maneuvers from all directions and, all at once. I see no reason to pre-judge anyone's stance on the "Charle's Encounter" be it totally for or against. It is the sheer numbers we now have that will filter that out regardless. I seek only that which resonates with me, since I am the only one that can detect me and what my intuition says. We have moles in our own movements here but they are useful and we feed them just enough information and innocence to keep them thinking they are in our confidence. I know those that I trust and those that I don't and both, are equally valuable. Old tactics in a very old game yet still, they work. Until we can communicate telepathically again and read the minds of our "foe", it is left in the realm of "not quite sure". I apply one rule to these concerns hope for the best, expect the worst. In either case, you're ready for whatever move comes next. We all have infinity to work with yet we are constantly in fear of the here and now. If you listen closely enough, your heart and the universe will guide you providing your intentions are pure, in peace, served with honour with love as the center of all...that being said, peace, honour and love upon you all, kt

p.s. Are you the decider of the notes you play or are you just resonating someone else's....just a thought

[Rocky_Shorz]

And some of us eat sugar and processed food, smoke tobacco and drink 'bad' water etc. There is every chance that the projected theory on foods affecting DNA and the ability to 'awaken' is merely a hypnotic suggestion. Some of us are even ugly and unkempt I would surmise. Hehe.

naaa we're all beautiful behind a monitor...

and the truth of foods will blow you away, I'm waiting on a confirmation from Bill to say more...


They stopped spraying chem trails here so maybe I should wait and see if food prices start coming down along with oil...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Until we can communicate telepathically again and read the minds of our "foe", it is left in the realm of "not quite sure".



well let me teach you how...

Psych 101

1st your subconscious is your spirit you must learn to listen to...
2nd you can have your spirit talk with their spirit for answers...

Practice makes perfect...

I answer questions before someone I'm talking with have come up with the words to ask...

when you are in the middle of making dinner and all of a sudden a thought pops in explaining a question you had earlier... you are doing it...

[Celine]

See this is what I'm talking about, thanks you for clarifying my point Céline. You act as if you know it all and as if this forum belongs to you and I really feel sorry for you.....you must take a long hard look at yourself and really see what is it that's bothering you in your life cause your comments are rude and spoken without any thought of processing whatsoever. How may times are you going to make comments like this and then go around and apologize for what you have said, as you do quite often.

I'm not insulting you or judging you, just trying to make you see that not everyone has to agree with you.......I said I was not going to comment again, but you just have to keep them coming don't you!!!



Maybe you should practice what you speak!

You can say whatever you want to say about me, you don't know me and I really don't care.....learn to have some respect for other and respects other values!

Take it as you may, it is what it is!!!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst.

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By the way, I'M DONE WITH THIS THREAD!!!!

Have a nice day!!!

i wont say ANYTHING about you..this thread is not about YOU.

But i suppose you know alot about me..

i make no apology for what i said.

I re-interate that i only critisize her PROFESSIONAL work

Unlike you who seems to want to critisize my personal position.

I am allowed my point of view.. i dont expect ANYONE to change their opinion based on what say or do.

If you think, that i think i run this forum..perhaps you should ask Bill or the other MODS what they think.

Glad to know you are done with this thread...hope you are done with me too.


* celine remouves the target from her back *

[Rocky_Shorz]

sets the egg timer on the table...

Time out!!!

[arctourist]

Can anyone tell me why Kerry is being SO critical of this material? Of course we should take what Charles says with a pinch of salt, and be a little skeptical, but isn't this over the top? Something seems to be clouding her judgment, at least it seems that way to me. She is being so overly critical of Bill's source Charles, stating that whistleblowers need to be vetted thoroughly first, but she herself has become very naive and gullible in my opinion. I'm not sure if anyone watched or read the Aaron McCullom material, but this man seemed very sketchy to me, perhaps he's not, but I'd much rather listen to what Charles has to say than this guy.

Any thoughts?

charles could kick aaron's ass! hahaha
but so what-see that ain't the point...being the toughest guy in here really ain't all that great-it's like,so what,right?

[schneider]

Kerry can be a little rough around the edges at times but I have an incredible amount of respect for the energy she puts forth searching for the truth. She has her own style and it is more like the wild wild west, whereas Bill is more proper and respectful like an english gentleman. I love them both even though they are opposites.

[arctourist]

quote from an earlier post : "Can anyone tell me why Kerry is being SO critical of this material? Of course we should take what Charles says with a pinch of salt, and be a little skeptical, but isn't this over the top? Something seems to be clouding her judgment, at least it seems that way to me. She is being so overly critical of Bill's source Charles, stating that whistleblowers need to be vetted thoroughly first, but she herself has become very naive and gullible in my opinion. I'm not sure if anyone watched or read the Aaron McCullom material, but this man seemed very sketchy to me, perhaps he's not, but I'd much rather listen to what Charles has to say than this guy.

Any thoughts? " end of quote- from the first page-sorry-let me recall whose post....


my answer:
yeah,maybe she's just really concerned,since people disappear everyday,and who knows,maybe it's just a matter of having a mild case of the wintertime blues....god knows,it's lonely at the top-and ultimately we just can't control how something that's said will be taken,or interpreted...

[Richard]

I trust that a few enlightened members can take this thread in a more positive, productive direction. It is close to being closed as it stands now.
Please stay on topic and keep irrelevant, judgmental and derogatory comments off the thread.



Danka, carry on :)

[Lettherebelight]

I'm glad Kerry commented so candidly on the Charles material, and I don't think there is any ulterior motive.

She calls it as she sees it, and we are all entitled to our viewpoint. I support everyone who posts queries, cautions and contradictions. We can't be one big homogenous lump all of the same opinion. We are NOT Borg, we are human! :)

Kudos to Kerry!

[zebowho]

Just like TV. TURN OFF what you don't want to see. I choose not to see this (stopped reading at pg3)

Aren't Avalonians supposed to be better than this. Take your own affairs, leave others to them. Simple and DONE!

See...I'm much happier now! lol

[SteveX]

In the interview Charles alleged that he or a prior operative put a wedge between Kerry and Bill to weaken their collaboration. Now as most of us know this indeed did happen, perhaps Kerry does not wish to believe she was manipulated by TPTB.
Or it could also be "professional jealousy" that Bill landed this interview.

Oh! FFS

This is just wrong. There was a difference of opinion. Not once but a couple of times. There was the Heather material (blag) and the Thuban crisis (Bills paranioa).

[Richard]

Going once...

[SteveX]

We are all allowed our opinions

Yes and no.

Of course we can all have an opinion....but whether we should share it or not is a different question.

I have always stated that I believe Kerry lack of proffesionalism almost always leads to "inner strife" between the forums.

NONE of the MODS, ADMINS or Bill , go to PC and drop bombs like she does.

They respect her forum.

She has ZERO respect for us.

She doesnt know us. Has no clue what goes on, on a daily bases here.

Perhaps tommy (her techie, seingterra) reports back to her (as well as some members), but they fail to show her our heart.

We balance heart and mind very well on this forum. Like someone said our BS meter is pretty sharp.

Some basic advice that i would offer Kerry.

1- Get a publicity manager : i know i know everyone wants to keep life simple but...The way Truth is presented is VERY important.

2- Make up artists are very common in LA, talk to one.

3- Learn about camera angles and lighting. a camera angle is coming from below, it ceates shadows

4- Use decorum when going to other forums: Why not say hi to us?


*celine sighs *

Integrity is exceptionally important when it comes to truth speaking.

Followed with a couple of B***h slaps. Points 2 & 3 ...really!

[Richard]

.. twice...

[Seikou-Kishi]

Gone to the man in the hat. It's probably for the best Richard.

[SteveX]

Any one in the movie/tv or public persona business will know that make up /lighting /camera angles etc is VERY important.

if NONE of her people told her about the make up... then the people around her do NOT have her best interest at heart

Are you having a bad day or something? You can't be serious! Kerry is just a bint on the InTARDnet, not a celeb.

[Richard]

Good night folks!

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