Barack Obama 2011

[crosby]

i found this article this morning. thought it might bring some more information too light regarding the shut down of the federal government.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8jq31hCk78YiW1ayT9c3AIcjVWg?docId=990660c5521643bcb41ee18b2a391e2a

imo, this will have a direct affect on a lot of people, but i doubt it will cut any of the cost associated with middle east right now.

warmest regards, corson

[Gaia]

Is this possible ? The United States could they return to anarchy for a simple procedure that drags. At the same time, it's not the end of the world's first utility services should continue to work, always like the police, hospital etc. In retrospect, I guess that Americans will wonder whether their country would not do better if it relieved them of government buraucrates and sprawling.

[Heartsong]

The US had come to this point before. The last shut down was during Clinton's administration. Unless you're on vacation (holiday) and wanted to visit a National Park, a person living outside the Washington DC area wouldn't miss the federal government for the first few weeks - and it won't last that long. Afterall, those politicians involved want to be re-elected! They can't afford to make their constituents unhappy for long.

[JoshERTW]

There's some serious bad mojo about these last couple weeks... something is afoot.

I believe today also happens to be the deadline set by the supreme court for the Fed to cough up its TARP loan information to the public. curious....

[Cyber_warrior]

I was listening to Alex Jones on infowars,
Alex talks with Bruce Fein, a Libertarian lawyer,
a former official in Reagan administration's Department of Justice,
and chairman of American Freedom Agenda.
Mr. Fein has drafted an article of impeachment against Obama
over his unconstitutional attack on Libya.

THE IMPEACHMENT POWER

1. Article II, Section IV of the United States Constitution provides:
“The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States,
shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason,
Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

http://www.infowars.com/bruce-fein-articles-of-impeachment/

Do you think Barack Hussein Obama will ever be impeached?

[Nyce555]

I don't think he will ever be impeached. They didn't impeach Bush or Clinton and they won't impeach him.

[Axman]

Well it didnt happen with the last regime or the one before that so no way in @#$$


The Axman

[noprophet]

I honestly don't believe it would matter how many president's you impeach. It's all just a front to make you assume you have a voice.

If the PTB are making moves off alien communication, akashic technology, free energy control and a million other variables the populace is simply unaware of; do you really think they would bother to listen to any opinion of the uninformed people?

[crosby]

The US had come to this point before. The last shut down was during Clinton's administration. Unless you're on vacation (holiday) and wanted to visit a National Park, a person living outside the Washington DC area wouldn't miss the federal government for the first few weeks - and it won't last that long. Afterall, those politicians involved want to be re-elected! They can't afford to make their constituents unhappy for long.

excellent point heartsong. they WANT to be the most honorable politicians (heheheheheh), they will get their a$$e$ back and come to some kind of terms because if they don't the risk of being out on the street with us is way to big.....
warmest regards, corson

[Fred Steeves]

If the politicians still gave the constitution more than lip service of course he'd be gone. I hope they really enjoy their last little bit of party time before mom and dad come home.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[Odah]

Thre words why it is a bad idea to impeach him and i am pretty far to the right normally in my thinking. "president joe biden"

[Rocky_Shorz]

hey this guy looks familiar... ;)

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/files/content/30417_1thm.jpg


Internationalist billionaire George Soros is holding his international conference April 8 to April 11 at Bretton Woods, N.H., the noted birthplace of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, where he plans to “rearrange the entire financial order,” as he noted in a November 2009 article in The Japan Times Online.

This “Bretton Woods II” comes along just as the Trilateral Commission will be meeting at the same time in Washington, D.C. With an apparent goal of creating nothing less than a new global economy, Soros is spending $50 million in New Hampshire to bring together up to 200 academic, business and government policy leaders under his Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET).

As AFP goes to press, the attendees are to include ex-Fed Chairman Paul Volcker, former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and World Bank executive and Nobel Prize winner in economics Joseph Stiglitz.

The conference is slated for the Mount Washington Hotel, site of the historic 1944 Bretton Woods conference, which established the post-World War II international financial architecture...

story link (http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_30417.php)

[crosby]

i certainly effing hope so.
corson

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Thre words why it is a bad idea to impeach him and i am pretty far to the right normally in my thinking. "president joe biden"

hahahahahahahahah.......joe "bite me" biden.......oh excuse me, President joe "bite me" biden....
teehee, corson

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was listening to Alex Jones on infowars,
Alex talks with Bruce Fein, a Libertarian lawyer,
a former official in Reagan administration's Department of Justice,
and chairman of American Freedom Agenda.
Mr. Fein has drafted an article of impeachment against Obama
over his unconstitutional attack on Libya.

THE IMPEACHMENT POWER

1. Article II, Section IV of the United States Constitution provides:
“The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States,
shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason,
Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

http://www.infowars.com/bruce-fein-articles-of-impeachment/

Do you think Barack Hussein Obama will ever be impeached?

are you talking about the American Freedom agenda controlled by the most powerful Banker in America? I guess it isn't any different than the Americans for Prosperity Foundation backed by one of the most powerful oil men in the country...

Stalin would be proud...


oh please tell me more oh faithful tea party patriots...

[astrid]

Well... taking the old system away for a few days is really going to do wonders as
far as getting the masses to think and experience how dependent they are on it.

[crosby]

Well... taking the old system away for a few days is really going to do wonders as
far as getting the masses to think and experience how dependent they are on it.

how very true. let's see where this ride takes us, shall we?
warmest, corson

[astrid]

To me this is feeling EXACTLY what is needed at this time, and in fact a major step in the right direction.
Lots of people are going to feel uncomfortable, react and maybe even wake up just that little bit more....

I find it incredibly ironic that its them that are unplugging their own system.

I can't help but wonder if there is not a few white hats behind all this.

As we know its rarely about what is being presented in the MSM.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

The endless war syndrome will never end unless funding is stopped across the board. Like Rome this is how aggressive brutal powers end. And everyone is better off when they fall. If we suffer a few inconveniences it would be worth it to stop this continued abuse of our own freedoms, lives, and treasure. The whole group of politicians have proven not to be trustworthy and they've been corrupt for so long ~ they have to resign and get out of there, so real representatives can come forward. Funding is key. It's so top heavy now it's taken all the air out of our lungs as a nation to support. Withdrawal of funding ~ levels the playing field, so that good things can come. We have a real chance to let this beast fall of it's own weight and oppression. It's time. xoxox

[astrid]

EXACTLY Dala.

I get that this is very crucial and necessary, and a real positive.

People just have to get over that "feeling good" is the aim of the game.

You might not get what u want, but you WILL get what u need.

There are still so many people still asleep.

Time is speeding up.

Things are happening much more on a mass scale now.

[ulli]

EXACTLY Dala.

I get that this is very crucial and necessary, and a real positive.

People just have to get over that "feeling good" is the aim of the game.

You might not get what u want, but you WILL get what u need.

There are still so many people still asleep.

Time is speeding up.

Things are happening much more on a mass scale now.

But "feeling" good IS the aim of the game...what else is there?
the real question is how much are you willing to invest and how long are you prepared to wait

it comes with a price tag, after all

[humanalien]

Congress Delivered Articles of Impeachment for tyrant Obama
Bruce Fein: Articles of Impeachment for tyrant Obama
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bruce-fein-articles-of-impeachment-for-tyrant-obama.html


Bruce Fein: Articles of Impeachment for tyrant Obama - Alex Jones Tv 1 & 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZTrfP-fTv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iI0xEG0pHo


I hope this is for real..

[humanalien]

I see that has already been posted in the"General" section.
Mods can delete this if they wish.....

[Rocky_Shorz]

who's who at the Bretton Woods conference...

As Rothbard detailed, there never was any currency stability in the early years of Bretton Woods and there certainly isn't any now. But it is under the guise of the success of earlier elite global planning that Soros will bring his group of merry global plotters to Bretton Woods. Among those scheduled to be there, in addition to Soros are:


Paul Volcker, Former Chairman, Federal Reserve

Adair Turner, Chairman, Financial Services Authority

Richard Bronk, London School of Economics

Gordon Brown, Former Prime Minister, United Kingdom

Paul Davidson, Co-Founder, Journal of Post Keynesian Economics

Martin Wolf, Chief Economics Commentator, Financial Times

Niall Ferguson, Professor of History, Harvard University

Andy Haldane, Executive Director, Financial Stability, Bank of England

Simon Johnson, Professor of Entrepreneurship, Global Economics and Management, Sloan School of Management, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Henry Kaufman, President, Henry Kaufman & Co., Inc.

Zhu Min, Special Advisor, International Monetary Fund

Carmen Reinhart, Dennis Weatherstone Senior Fellow, Peterson Institute for International Economics

Kenneth Rogoff, Professor of Economics, Harvard University

Jeff Sachs, Director of the Earth Institute

Joseph Stiglitz, University Professor, Columbia University

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This won't be necessary ~ we will be under new leadership ~ once the winds of freedom reach Washington, D.C. We will recognize when these changes begin with many resignations from high positions of trust especially in Congress, many new revelations, and arrests for corruption will follow. These are coming sooner than you will believe. In the case of President Obama ~ this remains to be seen. There are too many worse criminals coming before any decision can be made. At this point, we are not aware of all that is to be revealed. Take heart. Stay tuned.


==EDIT==

moved from a later thread on the same subject (by humanalien)

[humanalien]

This won't be necessary ~ we will be under new leadership ~ once the winds of freedom reach Washington, D.C. We will recognize when these changes begin with many resignations from high positions of trust especially in Congress, many new revelations, and arrests for corruption will follow. These are coming sooner than you will believe. In the case of President Obama ~ this remains to be seen. There are too many worse criminals coming before any decision can be made. At this point, we are not aware of all that is to be revealed. Take heart. Stay tuned.



Care to elaborate a little? I had heard that some very high up officials
were going to be arrested but no names were given or what they do
for a living. Of course though, when i hear news like that, i can only
hope and pray that the government folks are the one going to jail.

[Chicodoodoo]

Do you think Barack Hussein Obama will ever be impeached?

Dennis Kucinich brought forth in the House of Representatives 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush on June 9, 2008. He spent hours reading the articles of impeachment on the floor of the House. Despite the fact that introducing articles of impeachment against the President of the United States is front page news, not a single national television network mentioned it that evening. The next morning, I checked all the major newspapers at the public library, and again, not a word about the impeachment could be found. That's when I knew for sure that we no longer had a free press. The entire episode was kept from the public.

So no, Obama will not be impeached, even though he is at least as criminal as George W. Bush. Despite the convincing facade, the Republic no longer exists.

[Lost Soul]

No. He is protected.

[Lord Sidious]

No. He is protected.

While it is convenient for them, yeah.

[161803398]

He is just following orders. hehe

[ViralSpiral]

Impeachment:- Sounds like fruity just desserts to me, but hey...... he IS protected... :-)

Anyway, looking at the stars (and a brown dwarf) through my kaleidoscope I see Cyborg Obama waving at hypnotised crowds from his golden Disney throne on his lavish parade float, adorned with red, blue and white plastic begonias. The banner reads: Yep! Still trying!
All funded by the newly formed Soros Bank, of course.



http://www.candiecoded.com/Cute/cute-unicorn.gif

[jackovesk]

YES...It's just a matter of time!

[Lord Sidious]

He is just following orders. hehe

He is indeed.
The problem is, people get bent out of shape because he doesn't do what the people want.
Who said he works for the people?

[crosby]

awe look. they must have read this thread.......

Shutdown averted after furious push-
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/04/09/shutdown_averted_after_furious_push_with_deal_for_39b_in_cuts/

regards, corson

mods feel free to close this thread, mission accomplished. :thumb:

[rgray222]

I don't think he will ever be impeached. They didn't impeach Bush or Clinton and they won't impeach him.
Bill Clinton, President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice on December 19, 1998![COLOR="red"]

[Snowbird]

He needs to be impeached for several constitutional reasons which Bruce Fein has perfectly laid out.

He won't be impeached if the people of this country don't take the stand that is needed and make an effort to carry through that impeachment.

The negativity on this thread, with a few exceptions, pretty much demonstrates that the will of the people is beaten down. Writing a few online letters to state representatives is all that is needed for your voice and opinion to be heard and tallied.

Even if the true ET calvary decloaks in our midst, our responsibility as human citizens, is to ask for their advice and then make decisions on our own for our selves. If celestial groups swoop in to take over, we are going to have a real problem.

[jackovesk]

Rush Limbaugh slammed for 'avoiding' eligibility - 'Not 1 high Republican or you has ever really tried to nail' Obama

Posted: April 07, 2011 9:45 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

Radio giant Rush Limbaugh came under fire today from a caller to his top-rated program accusing the host of avoiding the issue of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president.

"The fact of the matter is that his citizenship has been a suspicious issue from the very beginning," said Angela from Arnold, Mo., "and not one high Republican or you has ever really tried to nail him on this issue, and if it does turn out that he is not a true citizen, then I think all of you should hang your heads in shame because of all the destruction our country has had to suffer ever since he was elected, in spite of being the fraud that we know he probably really is."

Limbaugh asked incredulously, "So you're mad at me?"

"I am furious," Angela responded. "I wanted you and anybody else to go after him on this issue before he was elected. It would have been the easiest way to have stopped him. It would have been a no-brainer. But nobody would. And so he was elected and everything was just hidden under the rug. And now look what we have had ever since. ... If it does turn out that he's not a citizen, I think you should hang your head in shame, because our country has suffered so much."

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=284621

Trump sends investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama

http://cnnpoliticalticker.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/mug-mooney4.jpg?w=30 By: CNN Political Producer Alexander Mooney

Washington (CNN) – Self-proclaimed birther Donald Trump is now so doubtful of President Obama's birthplace that he's sent a team of his own investigators to Hawaii in hopes of getting to the bottom of the issue.

That's according to Trump himself, who, in an interview with NBC, warned his investigators just might uncover "one of the greatest cons in the history of politics and beyond."

"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding," Trump said an interview that aired Thursday Morning.

Asked if he has assigned people specifically to search in Hawaii, Trump said, "Absolutely."

The business mogul, who in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll is tied for second place among potential presidential candidates, also suggested the president is involved in an ongoing cover-up over the matter.

"He spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren't an issue, why wouldn't he just solve it?" he said. "I wish he would because if he doesn't, it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/07/trump-sends-investigators-to-hawaii-to-look-into-obama/

[Lost Soul]

George Soros will work to shut Limbaugh down if he did that. Soros shut down Glen Beck by discouraging his advertisers.

BTW, I don't listen to talk radio.

[Rocky_Shorz]

knowing the two biggest groups leading the fight for impeachment were founded one by the most powerful banker in the country the other an oil family should tell everyone in the alternative media community who's side they should be fighting for...

any time someone sees a thread like this start, just post in the info from the other thread...

nothing against you my little alien friend... ;)

time to take back the power from the Czars

I'm waiting for the Tea Party to wake up, if we share the truths with everyone and pull down the veils it will happen.

[humanalien]

I can only hope that he gets impeached but i'd rather see him get impeached
because he is not a natural born citizen.

This way, everything he signed into law becomes null and void...

[jimmer]

I don't think he will ever be impeached. They didn't impeach Bush or Clinton and they won't impeach him.

actually, clinton was legally impeached for lying to a grand jury, but he was not removed from office.
his supporters attempted to 'censure' him (a verb slap on the wrists), but they did not prevail. letters of impeachment were voted on and passed.
he remained in office for his tenure a weakened, ineffective president and amazingly, with relatively high approval numbers.

as for obama, he'd need to be caught in a 'high crime or misdemeanor.'
so far, he's just full of political double speak.

[Chicodoodoo]

The negativity on this thread, with a few exceptions, pretty much demonstrates that the will of the people is beaten down. Writing a few online letters to state representatives is all that is needed for your voice and opinion to be heard and tallied.

It's important to distinguish between being negative and being realistic. Sometimes the reality of the situation is just plain ugly. For instance, the reality is that our so-called representatives don't represent us. They represent the highest bidders that pay in cash and favors, not in votes. You can write to them until your hands drop off and they will continue to follow the money. That's not being negative, that's being realistic.

[humanalien]

Looks like Philip J. Berg is still trying to get
obama impeached because he isn't a natural born
citizen of america. It's possible that Donald Trump
might be getting involved in this to.

Obama Crimes
http://obamacrimes.com/

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Dennis Kucinich brought forth in the House of Representatives 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush on June 9, 2008. He spent hours reading the articles of impeachment on the floor of the House. Despite the fact that introducing articles of impeachment against the President of the United States is front page news, not a single national television network mentioned it that evening. The next morning, I checked all the major newspapers at the public library, and again, not a word about the impeachment could be found. That's when I knew for sure that we no longer had a free press. The entire episode was kept from the public.

So no, Obama will not be impeached, even though he is at least as criminal as George W. Bush. Despite the convincing facade, the Republic no longer exists.

Yes, I've watched Dennis Kucinich for some time. He is one of the few honest politicians who tries very hard to walk the talk. If you'll recall, when he ran for president (I believe 2 elections ago), he was given little press and the few times he was alluded to by MSN it was to make fun of his height (he's short), rather than to discuss his policies.

The truth must becoming obvious by now: You don't get to be President of the U.S. - or even be on the ticket - if the PTB aren't behind you. So, if a president ever is impeached, it will be because it's in the best interests of the PTB, not the citizens. Just the fact that this issue is being brought up again makes me wonder what's going on that they don't want us to focus on. More press is given to Charlie Sheen's antics than what's happening world-wide.

Keep your eyes open and look where they're not pointing.

[Chicodoodoo]

Yes, I've watched Dennis Kucinich for some time. He is one of the few honest politicians who tries very hard to walk the talk. If you'll recall, when he ran for president (I believe 2 elections ago), he was given little press

He actually ran for President against Obama. Most people don't know that four days before Bush's 2008 State of the Union speech, Kucinich announced in a one minute speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyOi8Rb3yyA) before the House of Representatives that he would introduce articles of impeachment against Bush. Astoundingly, 15 minutes later, he took to the House podium again to ask that his previous speech be withdrawn from the record (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMZMihhx2GU)! Even more astounding, he quietly and unexpectedly dropped out of the Presidential race a few days later! Whatever was privately said to Kucinich during those 15 minutes had the power to change the course of his life.

Not a peep was heard from Kucinich after that. He quietly concentrated on his re-election, which he won that spring. With renewed confidence and bravery, he did finally introduce the 35 articles of impeachment against Bush that summer, but like I said, the media didn't report it. The articles of impeachment were quietly referred to committee and buried, never to see the light of day again.

[jackovesk]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Elhrl1NO1f8/TPp_zGdok0I/AAAAAAAAAAY/1KTmr3NvT9c/S250/Men-in-White-Hats-The-Trainer-.jpg

Friday, April 8, 2011April 8, 2011 – The White Hats Report #18

Soros – Bretton Woods Conference

George Soros is holding his international conference this weekend, April 8th to April 11th at Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. Of the many who were invited none of the true US and World Financial Experts will be attending. Bretton Woods is the historic site of the 1944 conference, which established the post-World War II international financial system. Soros is spending $50 million dollars at Bretton Woods to bring together up to 200 academic, business and government policy leaders (some from outside the US) to introduce to his Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET). This meeting was not recognized by the original Bretton Woods Council. Soros' goal in association with a concurrent meeting of the Tri-Lateral Commission, in DC this weekend, is to dismantle our economy, dismiss the head of our current banks and create a new global financial system sabotaging our US currency.

The attendees at this conference include three members of the Rothschild family along with their primary banker, four members of the British parliament, Paul Volcker, Harry Reid, Mitt Romney, David Dewhurst, former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, and some World Bank executives.

Could Donald Trump expose Soros’ and Obama's most resent Systematic Corruption to Americans?

Soros-Obama have signed a $2 Billion loan to a Brazilian Oil Exploration company, the world’s 8th largest, to explore off the Brazilian coast. What gives Obama the authority to make such a deal for America or himself? The entire production of this venture is destined exclusively for China! We get NOTHING! Who is the largest Shareholder in this Brazilian company? George Soros, a major financial backer to Barry Soetoro (aka) Obama. How much money is Obama personally receiving from this deal?

Obama has many problems to explain which could affect his reelection campaign as well as Mitt Romney's. Romney has a real Achilles heel. His associations with Michael Herzog, Bush Senior, the CIA and many others in the theft of Edward Falcone's funds will be impossible to hide and impossible to explain. Romney faces probable indictment, which could bring him and all his sordid team down.

With Donald Trump's new investigations proceeding into Obama's citizenship issue, will this, in one fell swoop, remove Bush Senior’s powerful grip over Obama by diminishing the affect of his holding the certified copy of Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate? What will happen when Trump starts investigating and tracking Obama's offshore bank accounts? What will happen when Trump starts investigating Mitt Romney's Achilles Heel? In one combined sweep, Trump could take out both contestants and begin cleaning up America!

This will be a bad month for Obama, Soros, Romney and Bush if such truth comes out. Exposure is their greatest fear. Make your voices heard!

http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/

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Trump sends investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama

http://cnnpoliticalticker.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/mug-mooney4.jpg?w=30 By: CNN Political Producer Alexander Mooney

Washington (CNN) – Self-proclaimed birther Donald Trump is now so doubtful of President Obama's birthplace that he's sent a team of his own investigators to Hawaii in hopes of getting to the bottom of the issue.

That's according to Trump himself, who, in an interview with NBC, warned his investigators just might uncover "one of the greatest cons in the history of politics and beyond."

"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding," Trump said an interview that aired Thursday Morning.

Asked if he has assigned people specifically to search in Hawaii, Trump said, "Absolutely."

The business mogul, who in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll is tied for second place among potential presidential candidates, also suggested the president is involved in an ongoing cover-up over the matter.

"He spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren't an issue, why wouldn't he just solve it?" he said. "I wish he would because if he doesn't, it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/07/trump-sends-investigators-to-hawaii-to-look-into-obama/

Beware! This could be just another 'Smokescreen' if the Trump investigation gives Obama (Kenyan Born - Barry Soetoro) the all-clear!

[ktlight]

Our nation's west coast is in serious danger and nothing is being done to evacuate millions of people while there is still time to save all lives at risk. Lyndon LaRoche insists we oust Obama on reasons of insanity for openly criminal acts against humanity.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw0L8vrOKi8

[sangstar1]

Obama is good at making speeches but nothing comes out of the horn

[Ba-ba-Ra]

He actually ran for President against Obama. Most people don't know that four days before Bush's 2008 State of the Union speech, Kucinich announced in a one minute speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyOi8Rb3yyA) before the House of Representatives that he would introduce articles of impeachment against Bush. Astoundingly, 15 minutes later, he took to the House podium again to ask that his previous speech be withdrawn from the record (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMZMihhx2GU)! Even more astounding, he quietly and unexpectedly dropped out of the Presidential race a few days later! Whatever was privately said to Kucinich during those 15 minutes had the power to change the course of his life.

Not a peep was heard from Kucinich after that. He quietly concentrated on his re-election, which he won that spring. With renewed confidence and bravery, he did finally introduce the 35 articles of impeachment against Bush that summer, but like I said, the media didn't report it. The articles of impeachment were quietly referred to committee and buried, never to see the light of day again.

I didn't know that, although I'm not surprised. Thank you for bringing it forward.

[Rocky_Shorz]

He needs to be impeached for several constitutional reasons which Bruce Fein has perfectly laid out.

He won't be impeached if the people of this country don't take the stand that is needed and make an effort to carry through that impeachment.

The negativity on this thread, with a few exceptions, pretty much demonstrates that the will of the people is beaten down. Writing a few online letters to state representatives is all that is needed for your voice and opinion to be heard and tallied.

Even if the true ET calvary decloaks in our midst, our responsibility as human citizens, is to ask for their advice and then make decisions on our own for our selves. If celestial groups swoop in to take over, we are going to have a real problem.

take a look who is financing the push to impeach Obama...


Whitehead graduated from Haverford College in 1943 and served in the U.S. Navy during World War II, where he commanded one of the LCVP landing crafts at Omaha Beach, in the D-Day landing invasion of Normandy.[3][4]

In 1947 he received an MBA degree from Harvard Business School[2] and subsequently joined the prestigious New York investment bank of Goldman Sachs. He rose to become chairman over a total period at the firm of 38 years, and he retired in 1984 as Co-Chairman and Co-Senior Partner.

He served as United States Deputy Secretary of State in Ronald Reagan's administration from 1985 to 1989 under George Shultz, and was awarded the Presidential Citizens Medal by President Reagan. In 1996, he was the campaign chairman for Michael Benjamin who ran for a seat in New York's 8th congressional district.

He is former Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the United Nations Association, and a former Chairman of The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation and the Harvard Board of Overseers. He is a former director of the New York Stock Exchange and Chairman Emeritus of The Brookings Institution.

He has a long association with the Rockefeller family, having held positions at various times with family-created institutions such as Rockefeller University, the Asia Society (where he is Chairman Emeritus and Honorary Life Trustee), the Lincoln Center Theater and the WTC Memorial Foundation. In these organizations, and previously when he was for a time on the family's powerful Trust Committee, overseeing the family fortune and investments of the Rockefeller Group[citation needed], the real estate firm that previously owned and managed Rockefeller Center, he became closely associated with David Rockefeller...
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Whitehead)


why would Rockefeller want President Obama impeached?

[Chicodoodoo]

why would Rockefeller want President Obama impeached?

It's just for show. Obama is simply a puppet for temporary use by the PTB. The game plan now is to make Obama look bad in preparation for the next election. Every four years, Americans are forced to choose the "lesser of two evils" to be the next President. If Obama appears to be the greater of the two evils, the Republican candidate, pre-selected by the PTB to be the next puppet they control, will easily win the election.

This is how presidential elections are controlled in the United States. It is always a contest between two puppets selected by the PTB. That way, they don't care who wins. It works every time.

Obama will retire to a life of luxury and ease for the rest of his days as thanks for his puppet performance. Sound familiar? That's because Bush got the same reward, as did Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, etc.

[Rocky_Shorz]

My agenda is against oil and Bankers which are the ones trying to remove Obama...

looks like he is going to lead us for 1 more term, I see no one out there pissing off TPTB more than him so he's perfect... ;)

[Snowbird]

The negativity on this thread, with a few exceptions, pretty much demonstrates that the will of the people is beaten down. Writing a few online letters to state representatives is all that is needed for your voice and opinion to be heard and tallied.

It's important to distinguish between being negative and being realistic. Sometimes the reality of the situation is just plain ugly. For instance, the reality is that our so-called representatives don't represent us. They represent the highest bidders that pay in cash and favors, not in votes. You can write to them until your hands drop off and they will continue to follow the money. That's not being negative, that's being realistic.

I now believe that those who are the offspring of the ancient Annunaki survivors of Atlantis, are now the controllers or the elite or the dominionists attempting to rule our Earth and everyone on it and in it.

The most important thing to them during this time of upheaval, is to do everything in their power to maintain as low a vibrational frequency on this Earth as is possible. This will hold back as many people from spiritually advancing as they can manage.

Chicodoodoo, this is a constant and non-stop battle that each of us has to endure while here. Anything that we can do that will lift up or advance or set straight in whatever form, means that we win and they lose. If this means taking a walk in the park and being at peace and giving thanks to Mother Earth, we win and they lose. If this means writing a letter of heartfelt protest to our state reps, even though it may seem that it won't do any good, we win and they lose. If this means spending hours per week in a meditative state experiencing joy and bliss, we win and they lose.

Are we being realistic by collectively throwing up our hands and allowing negativity to reign? We are here on a tough, tough assignment. What we are all/each experiencing is not for the faint of heart. We have to find something or someone that will help to keep us as upbeat and positive as possible in order to get through this muck. :hug:

[Lost Soul]

I see no one out there pissing off TPTB more than him so he's perfect...

Why would the oil people and bankers want to remove Obama? He belongs to them. Look at who he installed into his cabinet. It's the Wall Street big money crowd like Paul Volcker, Tommy Geitner, Paulson, Bernanke, etc. Ask yourself who benefited from his stimulus programs the most? Certainly not the little folks but the big bankers who created the mess we're in. In the wake of Dubya's TARP, Obama passed three big stimulus bills and several smaller ones. In passing those stimulus bills, Obama transferred the burden of the debt onto the shoulders of the taxpayers. Lest we forget, both democrats and republicans as well as major lobbying groups including the environmentalists are bought and paid for by the big money crowd. Don't quaff the kool-aid. Don't take my word for it either. Go back and listen to some of Gerald Celente's earlier talks

[Snowbird]

I can only hope that he gets impeached but i'd rather see him get impeached
because he is not a natural born citizen.

This way, everything he signed into law becomes null and void...

Great point humanalien!!

[T Smith]

If the politicians still gave the constitution more than lip service of course he'd be gone. I hope they really enjoy their last little bit of party time before mom and dad come home.


Cheers,
Fred S.

When mom and dad come home they're gonna find they lost the house in a poker game.

[T Smith]

Do you think Barack Hussein Obama will ever be impeached?

Despite the convincing facade, the Republic no longer exists.

Or not-so-convicing facade, however you want to look at it...

[T Smith]

Yes, I've watched Dennis Kucinich for some time. He is one of the few honest politicians who tries very hard to walk the talk. If you'll recall, when he ran for president (I believe 2 elections ago), he was given little press

He actually ran for President against Obama. Most people don't know that four days before Bush's 2008 State of the Union speech, Kucinich announced in a one minute speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyOi8Rb3yyA) before the House of Representatives that he would introduce articles of impeachment against Bush. Astoundingly, 15 minutes later, he took to the House podium again to ask that his previous speech be withdrawn from the record (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMZMihhx2GU)! Even more astounding, he quietly and unexpectedly dropped out of the Presidential race a few days later! Whatever was privately said to Kucinich during those 15 minutes had the power to change the course of his life.

Not a peep was heard from Kucinich after that. He quietly concentrated on his re-election, which he won that spring. With renewed confidence and bravery, he did finally introduce the 35 articles of impeachment against Bush that summer, but like I said, the media didn't report it. The articles of impeachment were quietly referred to committee and buried, never to see the light of day again.

Sorta like the infamous plane ride with Obama when he flipped and changed his vote on Obama-care, after adamantly rejecting it so courageously on principal for months. Wonder what was said on that like jaunt?

it will also be interesting to see what happens if Ron Paul runs. TPTB will undoubtedly threaten him in a similar way -- especially given his momentum and popularity among the people. I don't see him buckling like Kucinich has (no judgement against Kucinich here -- the guy's only human)... wonder how it will all play out ??

[Odah]

My agenda is against oil and Bankers which are the ones trying to remove Obama...

looks like he is going to lead us for 1 more term, I see no one out there pissing off TPTB more than him so he's perfect... ;)

Before the oil spill last year.. BP was writing Obamas energy policy .. Jeff immult Ceo of GE .. and GE capital is a very big lending instituion.. is one of obamas inner circle guys. and do forget .. GE paid no taxes on 18 billion dollars of profit.

Obama is the best puppet money can buy

Any fall obama takes is totally planed for by the powers that be and not for our benifit.

[T Smith]

He needs to be impeached for several constitutional reasons which Bruce Fein has perfectly laid out.

He won't be impeached if the people of this country don't take the stand that is needed and make an effort to carry through that impeachment.

The negativity on this thread, with a few exceptions, pretty much demonstrates that the will of the people is beaten down. Writing a few online letters to state representatives is all that is needed for your voice and opinion to be heard and tallied.

Even if the true ET calvary decloaks in our midst, our responsibility as human citizens, is to ask for their advice and then make decisions on our own for our selves. If celestial groups swoop in to take over, we are going to have a real problem.

take a look who is financing the push to impeach Obama...


Whitehead graduated from Haverford College in 1943 and served in the U.S. Navy during World War II, where he commanded one of the LCVP landing crafts at Omaha Beach, in the D-Day landing invasion of Normandy.[3][4]

In 1947 he received an MBA degree from Harvard Business School[2] and subsequently joined the prestigious New York investment bank of Goldman Sachs. He rose to become chairman over a total period at the firm of 38 years, and he retired in 1984 as Co-Chairman and Co-Senior Partner.

He served as United States Deputy Secretary of State in Ronald Reagan's administration from 1985 to 1989 under George Shultz, and was awarded the Presidential Citizens Medal by President Reagan. In 1996, he was the campaign chairman for Michael Benjamin who ran for a seat in New York's 8th congressional district.

He is former Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the United Nations Association, and a former Chairman of The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation and the Harvard Board of Overseers. He is a former director of the New York Stock Exchange and Chairman Emeritus of The Brookings Institution.

He has a long association with the Rockefeller family, having held positions at various times with family-created institutions such as Rockefeller University, the Asia Society (where he is Chairman Emeritus and Honorary Life Trustee), the Lincoln Center Theater and the WTC Memorial Foundation. In these organizations, and previously when he was for a time on the family's powerful Trust Committee, overseeing the family fortune and investments of the Rockefeller Group[citation needed], the real estate firm that previously owned and managed Rockefeller Center, he became closely associated with David Rockefeller...
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Whitehead)


why would Rockefeller want President Obama impeached?

If Rockefeller wanted President Obama impeached it would be all over CNN, CNBC, ABC, et al. This is flying completely under the radar. You will hear nothing of this impeachment in the MSM. This is grassroots.

[Snowbird]

He needs to be impeached for several constitutional reasons which Bruce Fein has perfectly laid out.

take a look who is financing the push to impeach Obama...


Whitehead graduated from Haverford College in 1943 and served in the U.S. Navy during World War II, where he commanded one of the LCVP landing crafts at Omaha Beach, in the D-Day landing invasion of Normandy.[3][4]

In 1947 he received an MBA degree from Harvard Business School[2] and subsequently joined the prestigious New York investment bank of Goldman Sachs. He rose to become chairman over a total period at the firm of 38 years, and he retired in 1984 as Co-Chairman and Co-Senior Partner.

He served as United States Deputy Secretary of State in Ronald Reagan's administration from 1985 to 1989 under George Shultz, and was awarded the Presidential Citizens Medal by President Reagan. In 1996, he was the campaign chairman for Michael Benjamin who ran for a seat in New York's 8th congressional district.

He is former Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the United Nations Association, and a former Chairman of The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation and the Harvard Board of Overseers. He is a former director of the New York Stock Exchange and Chairman Emeritus of The Brookings Institution.

He has a long association with the Rockefeller family, having held positions at various times with family-created institutions such as Rockefeller University, the Asia Society (where he is Chairman Emeritus and Honorary Life Trustee), the Lincoln Center Theater and the WTC Memorial Foundation. In these organizations, and previously when he was for a time on the family's powerful Trust Committee, overseeing the family fortune and investments of the Rockefeller Group[citation needed], the real estate firm that previously owned and managed Rockefeller Center, he became closely associated with David Rockefeller...
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Whitehead)


why would Rockefeller want President Obama impeached?

I really don't know why Rockefeller would want Obama impeached. Perhaps as Obama is campaigning for a second run at ruining our country, it is possible that he hasn't nullified the sovereignty of our country to the U.N. as quickly as the controllers would have liked. Although, he does have a great start at this.

Bruce Fein, below, has drafted articles of impeachment and will bring them before Congress if Obama declares war on Libya. I would not ever want to be on the wrong side of Bruce Fein.

Constitutional lawyer Bruce Fein drafts ‘Article of Impeachment’ of President Obama


http://escapetyranny.com/2011/04/07/constitutional-lawyer-bruce-fein-drafts-article-of-impeachment-of-president-obama/

[Satori]

No, Obama will not be impeached. That does not, however, mean he will serve out the remainder of his first term or all of a second term, if he is re-Selected.

There are two ways in which impeachment under the US Constitution can be initiated: 1) in the US House of Representatives, or 2) the legislature of a state upon following the constitutional process established for that purpose. The latter process if successful would require the House to vote on an article of impeachment. The vote is yes or no. The House does not try impeachments, it only returns them (or not). The Senate tries the impeachment. (This is what happened to Clinton. The House returned an article of impeachment, but Clinton was "acquitted" by the Senate.) The first way (the House) is very difficult and requires clout in DC, the latter way is not too diffcult in terms of the process; it is more difficult in terms of achieving the desired outcome. In any event, if a state legislature does vote in favor of impeachment, the legislature must ask the House to impeach, and so, you're back in the House--but you now have the support of the legislature of at least one state. That helps.

I was involved in the effort in New Mexico, USA, to impeach Bush and Cheney. We went the NM legislature route for good reasons--none of us had any real clout with the House of Representative. We got through every committee and on to the full legislative floor for debate and a vote to ask the House to impeach Bush/Cheney. In the end, the republicans pulled a procedural machination and avoided a vote. The measure failed and NM did not send a request to the House to impeach Bush/Cheney. (If ever a pResident and his VP needed impeaching, it was these two global-political hack-minions.)

So, for a variety of reasons--most of which have nothing to do with the Constitutional process for impeachment--Obama will not be impeached.

[Chicodoodoo]

Chicodoodoo, this is a constant and non-stop battle that each of us has to endure while here. Anything that we can do that will lift up or advance or set straight in whatever form, means that we win and they lose. If this means taking a walk in the park and being at peace and giving thanks to Mother Earth, we win and they lose. If this means writing a letter of heartfelt protest to our state reps, even though it may seem that it won't do any good, we win and they lose. If this means spending hours per week in a meditative state experiencing joy and bliss, we win and they lose.

I don't really believe that any of those actions you mention mean that we win and they lose. That's just wishful thinking. If a gang of criminals is repeatedly victimizing you, it doesn't matter what your attitude is if it doesn't drive you to take effective action against the criminals. Ineffective action just doesn't cut it.

So we need to be realistic AND upbeat. Being realistic ensures that our actions are effective. Being upbeat helps us get on with those effective actions. Being upbeat without being realistic is the equivalent of taking recreational drugs. It will make you feel better for a short time, but it won't change your reality.

[Rocky_Shorz]

He needs to be impeached for several constitutional reasons which Bruce Fein has perfectly laid out.

take a look who is financing the push to impeach Obama...


Whitehead graduated from Haverford College in 1943 and served in the U.S. Navy during World War II, where he commanded one of the LCVP landing crafts at Omaha Beach, in the D-Day landing invasion of Normandy.[3][4]

In 1947 he received an MBA degree from Harvard Business School[2] and subsequently joined the prestigious New York investment bank of Goldman Sachs. He rose to become chairman over a total period at the firm of 38 years, and he retired in 1984 as Co-Chairman and Co-Senior Partner.

He served as United States Deputy Secretary of State in Ronald Reagan's administration from 1985 to 1989 under George Shultz, and was awarded the Presidential Citizens Medal by President Reagan. In 1996, he was the campaign chairman for Michael Benjamin who ran for a seat in New York's 8th congressional district.

He is former Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the United Nations Association, and a former Chairman of The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation and the Harvard Board of Overseers. He is a former director of the New York Stock Exchange and Chairman Emeritus of The Brookings Institution.

He has a long association with the Rockefeller family, having held positions at various times with family-created institutions such as Rockefeller University, the Asia Society (where he is Chairman Emeritus and Honorary Life Trustee), the Lincoln Center Theater and the WTC Memorial Foundation. In these organizations, and previously when he was for a time on the family's powerful Trust Committee, overseeing the family fortune and investments of the Rockefeller Group[citation needed], the real estate firm that previously owned and managed Rockefeller Center, he became closely associated with David Rockefeller...
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Whitehead)


why would Rockefeller want President Obama impeached?

I really don't know why Rockefeller would want Obama impeached. Perhaps as Obama is campaigning for a second run at ruining our country, it is possible that he hasn't nullified the sovereignty of our country to the U.N. as quickly as the controllers would have liked. Although, he does have a great start at this.

Bruce Fein, below, has drafted articles of impeachment and will bring them before Congress if Obama declares war on Libya. I would not ever want to be on the wrong side of Bruce Fein.

Constitutional lawyer Bruce Fein drafts ‘Article of Impeachment’ of President Obama


http://escapetyranny.com/2011/04/07/constitutional-lawyer-bruce-fein-drafts-article-of-impeachment-of-president-obama/

well Obama will not fund the big banks the next time they collapse and don't forget one important thing...

"Clean energy is no longer science fiction..."

That is why PTB are trying to pull him from power, I will give Obama all the energy he needs for this battle...

Remember I have seen inside the heads of many of these monsters, if they don't wake up, I'll start sharing like Wiki would like to... ;)

These are the same guys that attacked me after I applied for a free energy grant...

they took my right to work away through Homeland Security for 6 months...


Now I'm moving the world to peace and there is nothing they can do about it...


I'm shutting down the war machine, and the bankers that back them with money stolen from the public...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm not afraid of the truth...

are you?

9/11 tower structure turns to dust... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17677-9-11-The-New-Hiroshima-Dr-Judy-Wood-Ph.D.-%28MUST-SEE..%21%29&p=194528&viewfull=1#post194528)

[Rocky_Shorz]

What the Republican budget plans tell us about Republican values

http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/53727/B_2_spirit_bombing.jpg


Tax cuts for the wealthy that won't create jobs or stimulate the economy. Tax cuts for the wealthy that added to the federal deficit, the same federal deficit Republicans now pretend to be so worried about that they need to slash and burn federal spending. Spending for such things as food assistance for low-income Americans, which Republicans want to cut even as they retain farm subsidies. Spending for such things as life-saving immunizations. Spending for such things as food and health assistance around the world, without which some 70,000 children could die. And not content to make Americans go hungry and die of preventable diseases, and for tens of thousands of children around the world to starve to death, rather than have the very wealthy pay more taxes...
great news site... full story (http://current.com/news/93144947_what-the-republican-budget-plans-tell-us-about-republican-values.htm)

[Rocky_Shorz]

LOL...

if you think we aren't being watched, I just received a notice from the same grant program announcing funding for new technologies in electric generation...

I know I know... just a coincidence...

[TimelessDimensions]

Does it matter what puppet ("president") they put on the throne every four years?

Does anything ever change within this system?

[Snowbird]

Chicodoodoo, this is a constant and non-stop battle that each of us has to endure while here. Anything that we can do that will lift up or advance or set straight in whatever form, means that we win and they lose. If this means taking a walk in the park and being at peace and giving thanks to Mother Earth, we win and they lose. If this means writing a letter of heartfelt protest to our state reps, even though it may seem that it won't do any good, we win and they lose. If this means spending hours per week in a meditative state experiencing joy and bliss, we win and they lose.

I don't really believe that any of those actions you mention mean that we win and they lose. That's just wishful thinking. If a gang of criminals is repeatedly victimizing you, it doesn't matter what your attitude is if it doesn't drive you to take effective action against the criminals. Ineffective action just doesn't cut it.

So we need to be realistic AND upbeat. Being realistic ensures that our actions are effective. Being upbeat helps us get on with those effective actions. Being upbeat without being realistic is the equivalent of taking recreational drugs. It will make you feel better for a short time, but it won't change your reality.

Believe it or not, I agree with you!!

[Lord Sidious]

Does it matter what puppet ("president") they put on the throne every four years?

Does anything ever change within this system?

Nope, it makes not a jot of difference.
It is like a punch and judy show, the same hands are up the rears of all the puppets.
You can change the puppets as much as you like, but that hidden hand is still the same.
For now.

[Wookie]

http://img1.topfreebiz.com/o2010-8/cache/Finger-Puppet-20215733464.jpg
YES PLEASE watch the puppet show and ignore whats really going on. "I love it when a plan comes together"

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[conk]

All according to the plan. Perhaps it's to some entity's benefit to have Obama outsted. His use as a tool has expired?

[gardunk]

Is Soros behind this big push for Trump for president?

[truthseekerdan]

CBS 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW WAS OBAMA HIGH ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQtZUIi6lzg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQtZUIi6lzg

[Teakai]

CBS 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW WAS OBAMA HIGH ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQtZUIi6lzg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQtZUIi6lzg

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH that is sooo funny, Dan.

Well, that's sorted. Prison for Obama - that's the penalty for marijuana isn't it?

[loveandgratitude]

OBAMA THE MOST HATED PERSON IN WASHINGTON
IMPORTANT VIDEO
Lyndon LaRouche: - reports on current situation

Lyndon LaRouche delivered the following address to a group of associates on the current world status: there are no conclusions, we are in a general breakdown crisis. Also discussion of Democrats turning on Obama, and the fall of the system of empire.

He discusses what to do, what is going to happen and who is going to do something about it.
There are ideas that are valid based upon principals.


http://larouchepac.com/node/17930?utm_source=ElectionMall%20Technologies%20Inc.&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110407_LLPML

[ktlight]

If the American Sheep do not wake up and stand up for themselves we are going to be in trouble. put the pieces together. ridiculous media attention on the government shutdown. perfect reason to take temporary shelter in the bunkers while we take the heat for their undoings. America you better wake up and realize the mainstream news is LYING to you!!! They don't care about you one F**king bit... God help us -- it's Nazi Germany all over again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymN8zrDUBb4

Part 2 of 2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4w8vtyFrWY

[John Parslow]

Hello Ktlight

Many thanks for this excellent post, sometimes the thank you button is just not enough ...

Love and peace to you. JP :cool:

[ktlight]

A mugger confronts a business man walking down the street, flashing a sharp knife. "Give me all your money. I've got kids to feed," he insists. The business man calmly responds, "Well that's not fair, I've got kids to feed, too." Momentarily flummoxed, the mugger works out a bit of math and retorts, "Okay, I'm gonna take a balanced approach with you. Just give me HALF of all your money, and we'll call it even."

Such is the logic of the Obama administration, which now absurdly proposes that spending America into a total debt collapse is somehow a "balanced approach." Sure, it is balanced in the same way that a man walking a tightrope strung 35 stories above the city street, carrying two suitcases stuffed with hundreds of pounds of T-bills, with strong winds and a forecast of an approaching hail storm is also "balanced."

source
http://www.naturalnews.com/032065_national_debt_President_Obama.html

[Lost Soul]

David Icke is right. Obama is a puppet. The federal deficit was bad under Dubya and only became much worse under Obama.

[9eagle9]

Basically we know people need to wake up. Those who are capable of waking up that is. Most of American and I suppose a goodish number of those on other continents are literally quite incapable of waking up to what is occurring. A whole lot of alternative researchers have made note of this that there is literally only a certain percentage of people who have the actual ability to comprehend the sort of things we discuss freely, intelligently and grasp quite easily in here on a daily basis. Then's that other portion....that can't. . There is a huge portion of the population that simply cannot comprehend this. Dna? conditioning? All of the above, neither, anything goes. Seriously try having a conversation with some of these people. They simply CANNOT comprehend it. I mean some people get angry or dismiss it but I'm not talking about those sorts of people. I'm talking about people quite without some mental mechanism for being able to understand this fix we are in. Not because their fearful or in denial or dumb or not informed, most of them are of average intelligence and otherwise quite functional. They simply can't get it. They are unable to. We can weep, moan, get angry, get frustrated and run every piece of factual and circumstantial evidence in front of them and they CAN"T DO IT. I've seen some of them bend over backwards to attempt to try to get it and they can't. I mean literally Soilent Green people who will run out in the street to be scooped up as soon as they hear the bulldozers starting. And still not comprhend any of it as they are carted off to the burners.

This is up to us 15 to 20 percenters.... (yeeeeeeeee)

[modwiz]

Basically we know people need to wake up. Those who are capable of waking up that is. Most of American and I suppose a goodish number of those on other continents are literally quite incapable of waking up to what is occurring. A whole lot of alternative researchers have made note of this that there is literally only a certain percentage of people who have the actual ability to comprehend the sort of things we discuss freely, intelligently and grasp quite easily in here on a daily basis. Then's that other portion....that can't. . There is a huge portion of the population that simply cannot comprehend this. Dna? conditioning? All of the above, neither, anything goes. Seriously try having a conversation with some of these people. They simply CANNOT comprehend it. I mean some people get angry or dismiss it but I'm not talking about those sorts of people. I'm talking about people quite without some mental mechanism for being able to understand this fix we are in. Not because their fearful or in denial or dumb or not informed, most of them are of average intelligence and otherwise quite functional. They simply can't get it. They are unable to. We can weep, moan, get angry, get frustrated and run every piece of factual and circumstantial evidence in front of them and they CAN"T DO IT. I've seen some of them bend over backwards to attempt to try to get it and they can't. I mean literally Soilent Green people who will run out in the street to be scooped up as soon as they hear the bulldozers starting. And still not comprhend any of it as they are carted off to the burners.

This is up to us 15 to 20 percenters.... (yeeeeeeeee)

They are genetically dead. Maybe even for a generation or two. Useless seed that would perish in more natural conditions. When the "greenhouse" that is modern society fails, so will their lines.

[Chicodoodoo]

They simply can't get it. They are unable to.

It's not quite that simple. They "get" the propaganda. They can follow the logic of the constructed arguments they are meant to follow. They could just as easily follow the logic associated with the truth, if it were presented clearly and the critical details were not withheld. But as long as the truth is hidden and suppressed, and as long as the public mistakenly trusts the conniving deceivers in charge of the government and the mass media, they won't "get it". It's done by the deliberate design of the controllers. It's a con-game. The people are victims not because they are incapable of understanding the game. They are simply deceived. It can happen to almost anyone that does not have the critical information, also known as the truth.

[jackovesk]

This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator....very interesting.

Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad... and it may not be his citizenship. (Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt...)

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/200620_10150187385832905_675227904_8157314_3456099_a.jpg

As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry's name was legally changed to "Barry Soetoro". (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry's vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate...

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry's legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry's father really was and Barry himself may not know.

Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

Barry's mother dropped him as a dependent for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother's passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry's mother divorced.

A "certificate of live birth" can have names changed on it including a child's birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a "certificate of live birth". This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)

There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name "Barrack Hussein Obama". I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.

The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.

Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)

Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?....

After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)

When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.

It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as "Obama". Fake Diploma's were very big in the 80's and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)... Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.

The Saudi's apparently loved Barry's story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name "Obama". The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review.... I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.

It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?... I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals... I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi's, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.

Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either…http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in... (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/)

After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name "Obama" until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980... Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry's own admission) and was not using the fictitious name "Obama" at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name "Obama" only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.

NEW NOTE - On the the Selective Service Registration, Barry did not have the Connecticut Tax ID number he used on the Registration until after he began using the name "Obama" in New York. More evidence his Selective Service filing is fraudulent.

Barry returned to Chicago and attend a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry's first love.

Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lost of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don't want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.

With time on his hands Barry, a well spoken black man, was able to get elected to a state office, oddly because he looked for fraud in his opponents voter registrations and got his opponent disqualified from running. Barry a well versed liar was a natural in state politics. He used his political influence to get himself a position as a lecturer at Chicago's law school. Barry embellished this position as a "professor of law" which everyone knows is completely false. Barry was not a professor or even a specialist at anything but lying.

On a whim Barry ran for United States Senate for the State of Illinois. Politicians do this all the time to make a name for themselves even if they can't win. At the time the Republican Ryan was a shoe in for the Senate seat, so no real Democrat contenders entered the race, but Barry did. On a fluke after the primary Ryan's wife Jeri Ryan (Seven of nine from Star Trek) went public that her husband was making her have sex with other people while he watched. Ryan dropped out and Alan Keys moved from Maryland to run against Barry Soetoro.

The election got all kinds of press because there was no blacks in the U.S. Senate and one of these black men was going to be a Senator. Alan Keys did his best to warn everyone Barry was not who he claimed to be, but the public saw him as a carpet bagger. Barry kept the lie going and presented himself as a clean black man that talked like a white man... Illinois elected Barry to U.S. Senate. The Democrats had already began scrubbing Barry's back ground when Ryan dropped out.

Phil, Barry's boy friend from Occidental, was found working in California as a communications specialist (receptionist) for a dental hygienist school and given a diploma from Columbia and cover story. The rest of Barry's drug friends were all given jobs or money by the Democrat machine to keep quiet.

Because Barry was such a news maker as the only Black in the Senate, and he could speak like a white man he was made key speaker for the Democrat convention. Barry then decided to run for President to keep the lie going. No one thought to question Barry's back ground in the Democrt party... They helped cover up the ugly back ground. The only person jumping up and down warning Barry was not who he claimed to be was Alan Keys and he was discarded as just an angry loser.

Now we have a complete fraud sitting in the Office of the President. Clearly the most corrupt, inexperienced, and ignorant President in the history of the United States who's only quality is that he can lie with a straight face.

Barry Soetoro is as much of a fraud as Bernie Madoff and his house of cards will soon fall down!

http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may-have-a-criminal-past

[loveandgratitude]

WAIT THERES MORE......

Michelle OBAMA, who was working in the legal office in Chicago was Barry Sorreto cover and HANDLER. HIS MATER or MISTRESS, no MASTER. It get confusing when it come to titles. ALso do not forget about that American Businessman who worked in Russia. At a party in Moscow, 3 years before Obama became President, a Russian couple with ties to the Kremlin were holdiing a party. The wife could not contain her glee when she bragged that in 3 years time America would have a black president who would have the name Obama. He would be put there by the Russian Communist Party. The gentleman (I will find the story) did not read too much into it, until Obama turned up out of nowhere for the running in the election. He then email every newsapaper, rang radioshows, and nobody except 1 or 2 little local newspapers would run his story. He still has those emails. I will find the story and the links.

[delaware]

thanks for this information, very interesting

[Lord Sidious]

I got this in an email, so I don't know the source of the pics or the text.



Subject: FINALLY WE HAVE PROOF

I guess we don't need to "Vote Him Out" in 2012, we just need to get our U.S. attorney general Mr. Eric Holder to throw him out with the dishwater! What a joke on us all ???

Here it is, folks! The document we have been waiting for! Now if only SOMEONE in Congress or the Supreme Court will act on this!

Spread this around.....if these documents are as authentic as they certainly seem to be, Obama is NOT qualified to be our President and he sits in the White House illegally!

This is what Obama has spent almost $2M (so far) to hide.

A British history buff was asked if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961.
After only a few minutes of research, he called back and said "Sir Edward F. Lavender Note the same name near the bottom of the photo above.
Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library."

The above document is a "Certified Copy of Registration of Birth", but below is a copy of the actual Certificate of Birth...

the real-deal legal kind of certificate.

The Mombasa Registrar of Births has testified that Obama's birth certificate from Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa is genuine. This copy was obtained by Lucas Smith through the help of a Kenyan Colonel who recently got it directly from the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa , Kenya .

The local Muslim Imam in Mombasa named Barack with his Muslim middle name Hussein so his official name on this certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.

The grandmother of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. reveals the story of his birth in Mombasa , Kenya , a seaport, after his mother suffered labor pains while swimming at ocean beach in Mombasa

"On August 4, 1961 Obama's mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya .
Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so the Obamas went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA!). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."

Letter from Kitau in Mombasa , Kenya ......

"I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya . I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put out by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the "copy" of the original was ordered. I stress the word "copy". My copy also has republic of Kenya . So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama's
birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.

The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor. We are very proud Obama was born here. We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother. They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets.

Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the back ground.

It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.

I encourage anyone to come here and visit. I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted. God Bless. Kitau"

This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school inJakarta, Indonesia , shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.

Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Nationality: Indonesian

How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America ?

In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College

The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California . The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

This document provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking - that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be President of these United States . Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya , here we see that there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship..

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.

Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.

LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS - THE MEDIA WON'T !!!

[Fred259]

6870

Barry is CUKC. Citizen of the United Kingdom and Commonwealth.



6871

Date and Place of Birth

4th August 1961

Coast Hospital Mombasa Kenya.

Barry was born prior to Kenyan independence from Britain.



6872

No 47,044 District of Mombasa (Kenya)





6874


Barry with friends.


6873

Barry with the boss.


The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington.
District of Columbia.

[Fred259]

6875


Whats going on folks?

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Everyone,

On the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Webster Tarpley was discussing how he has had death threats and is now departing the USA. If you search Webster Tarpley (an Investigative Journalist), he has exposed the myriad of CIA connections within not only Barry Soetoro's own life, (Barack Obama), but that of Barry's Mother. Search Rense and Alex Jones show archives. This is a very big rabbit warren. For a Journalist to receive credible death threats shows he's sniffing dangerously close to the truth and that it's all falling down like a proverbial house of cards.

Webster Tarpley is also completing a new expose on Barry aka Obama; if my memory serves me correctly, into the machinations of Chicago and Barry's role (Mafia City) Mmmm...

Carrots anyone?:cool:

Kind regards,
Lily

[loveandgratitude]

The First Time I Heard of "Barack"
By Mr. Tom Fife
California businessman

During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid-1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M. He had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture was invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions. As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this: "You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it." (She was referring to Geraldine Ferraro.)
The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."
The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."
"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. (snip racist comment) And he's going to be your President."
She became smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way. So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread412312/pg1

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=10570

“This is Tom Fife

Background: I have a degree in Physics and have worked primarily in aerospace and software development. In 1991 I became involved with an Englishman who was performing relief efforts into the collapsing Soviet Union. These efforts were performed through Orthodox churches in Britain and the US plus some churches in Germany. Money was raised from all over and sent to Germany to purchase the goods, which were then trucked into Moscow to be distributed by the Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church.While doing all of this, I met many talented people in the Russian Academy of Science and eventually formed a Joint-Venture with some to develop sophisticated software.Dr. M. headed the Russian side. He had a wife whom people told me was a staunch Communist. It is my understanding that she was one of the party officials that worked in a company to be the contact point and keep a party eye on things. She was degreed in her own right and was a solid right hand to her husband.Why did she get so loose-tongued? I am not sure, but there were traditional Russian toasts being delivered through the evening and each of those were punctuated by a shot of very cold vodka. Also, there were some remarks made by an American in our group concerning his observations of the racial make up of the Russian people. This visibly irritated her, and I believe that was the emotional trigger for her to want to predict a racial comeuppance for the white America to which we were returning.Why didn’t I publish the story upon my return in 1992? At that point it was talk. It was very disturbing talk, but I had a life that I was living and that kept me busy while I wasn’t sure how I could every attempt to track down this mystery man she mentioned. In the end, he never left my mind really, but I didn’t ruminate on it, either. I did mention this to my son upon my return and it was because of that that he is my most solid defender. He remembers me warning him in 1992 to beware of a mulatto guy running for president with such and such laundry list of attributes.”
“Tom Fife is legitimate. I worked with him in the aerospace industry that he makes reference to. I was also associated with him in an ultimately unsuccessful research company. I have known Tom since 1982. I have never know him to lie about anything. Everything he says in his original essay and in this blog are consistent with the facts as I know them. He has told me the full names of V. and T. He does not want to reveal their names before they are tracked down and interviewed.

When this is all verified and fully exposed it will be the biggest news in at least a generation.”
American Town Meeting

I will continue to seek Tom Fife and try to substantiate the story.

Is this story true? For all I know it could be another Obama camp diversion, used as a “preemptive strike” to discredit any attempts to reveal Obama’s true agenda, much like the disclosure of Obama’s earlier drug use.

Obama’s reputation stands on it’s own without this story.

We do not need this story to remove Obama from office and have him charged with treason.

[buckminster fuller]

Past, present and future criminal... no doubt...

[loveandgratitude]

REVEREND MANNING - LET US NOT FORGET REV. MANNING
ALL RESPECT TO AN OLD FAVOURITE
Remembe he organized a citizens trial, that lasted 1 week, with thousands of witnesses. Of course nothing
happened, but it is a legal document. I LOVE REV. MANNING PASSION. He coined the phrase for OBAMA -
(Long Legged max Daddy) - here we go -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLidsuVRKRs

[loveandgratitude]

CIA Columbia Obama Cover Up
Hon. James David Manning says Barack Hussein "The Long Legged Mack Daddy" Obama was a C.I.A operative who used Columbia University as a cover to go to Pakistan in 1981 when the CIA and the Mujahideen worked together against the Soviet Invasion. Obama supplied arms, logistics, and money using his Muslim background.

THE LEADUP TO THE TRAIL OF OBAMA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WedxY61d60&feature=related

[jackovesk]

Hello Everyone,

On the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Webster Tarpley was discussing how he has had death threats and is now departing the USA. If you search Webster Tarpley (an Investigative Journalist), he has exposed the myriad of CIA connections within not only Barry Soetoro's own life, (Barack Obama), but that of Barry's Mother. Search Rense and Alex Jones show archives. This is a very big rabbit warren. For a Journalist to receive credible death threats shows he's sniffing dangerously close to the truth and that it's all falling down like a proverbial house of cards.

Webster Tarpley is also completing a new expose on Barry aka Obama; if my memory serves me correctly, into the machinations of Chicago and Barry's role (Mafia City) Mmmm...

Carrots anyone?:cool:

Kind regards,
Lily

Hi Lily,

Are you sure it was Webster Tarpley?

I think you may have mistaken him for Wayne Madsen?

The Alex Jones Show
Wednesday, 13 April 2011

Scheduled Guests
................

From the Infowars web site ::

As the price of gas continues its unprecedented ascent through the stratosphere, Alex talks with pastor Lindsey Williams, who has revealed a plan by the globalists to take oil to $200 a barrel, devalue the dollar, and destroy the United States.

Alex also talks with investigative journalist and former National Security Agency consultant Wayne Madsen about threats made on his life. Earlier this month, Madsen received word from a source in a foreign intelligence agency allied with the United States that the Obama White House wants him killed. "It was perfectly clear that the phrase was not being used as a figure of speech," writes Madsen.

[mojo]

I'm amazed about the many speech reversals in Obamas talks. And they all seem to point to a main theme. Here is one posting but there are many more.

BYA46VzQdAI

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Everyone,

On the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Webster Tarpley was discussing how he has had death threats and is now departing the USA. If you search Webster Tarpley (an Investigative Journalist), he has exposed the myriad of CIA connections within not only Barry Soetoro's own life, (Barack Obama), but that of Barry's Mother. Search Rense and Alex Jones show archives. This is a very big rabbit warren. For a Journalist to receive credible death threats shows he's sniffing dangerously close to the truth and that it's all falling down like a proverbial house of cards.

Webster Tarpley is also completing a new expose on Barry aka Obama; if my memory serves me correctly, into the machinations of Chicago and Barry's role (Mafia City) Mmmm...

Carrots anyone?:cool:

Kind regards,
Lily

Hi Lily,

Are you sure it was Webster Tarpley?

I think you may have mistaken him for Wayne Madsen?

The Alex Jones Show
Wednesday, 13 April 2011

Scheduled Guests
................

From the Infowars web site ::

As the price of gas continues its unprecedented ascent through the stratosphere, Alex talks with pastor Lindsey Williams, who has revealed a plan by the globalists to take oil to $200 a barrel, devalue the dollar, and destroy the United States.

Alex also talks with investigative journalist and former National Security Agency consultant Wayne Madsen about threats made on his life. Earlier this month, Madsen received word from a source in a foreign intelligence agency allied with the United States that the Obama White House wants him killed. "It was perfectly clear that the phrase was not being used as a figure of speech," writes Madsen.

Hi Jackovesk,

You are absolutely correct! Thank you for hauling me over the coals. Jesus H. Christ, I knew I should have checked the name! Thanks!

Cheers,:o
Lily

[Unified Serenity]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing this. I have done lots of reverse speech stuff and it takes a lot of time to get this much done.

[gardunk]

Cannot view thsi/ can anyone sum up the reversals in a simplified version?

[conk]

Cannot view thsi/ can anyone sum up the reversals in a simplified version? I can't see or read it either, but here is my rudimentary understanding. Say for example GW Bush says, "this war in Iraq will counter the threat and spread democracy". When reversed his true thoughts surface and you might hear, "these rotten Muslims, let's take their oil". It seems to be well studied, this speech reversal discovery. Somehow the brain encodes the truth to anything we may say.

[LM-R]

yes but lets not forget that they don't write their speeches, they have experts for that

[Aqua marina]

"They don't write their speeches, they have experts for that."

This is quite true, but the speaker's own vocal apparatus and consciousness is what provides the reversal. It's not in the words themselves but in the breath and preverbal intention of the living being saying the surface words. For example, several people could recite the Pledge of Allegiance with unique and different reversals for each speaker, depending upon their individual emotions and thoughts about what they are saying.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I love how he is pissing off the elite...

GO OBAMA!!!

[Rocky_Shorz]

Soros is Rothschild's chimp on a chain...

[Lord Sidious]

knowing the two biggest groups leading the fight for impeachment were founded one by the most powerful banker in the country the other an oil family should tell everyone in the alternative media community who's side they should be fighting for...

any time someone sees a thread like this start, just post in the info from the other thread...

nothing against you my little alien friend... ;)

time to take back the power from the Czars

I'm waiting for the Tea Party to wake up, if we share the truths with everyone and pull down the veils it will happen.

This isn't as simple as you think.
The elites are known for running both sides of the fight, that being the case, you can't simply go with who the enemy is today.
Backing the enemy of an enemy isn't always valid.
That can be valid, but it isn't necessarily the rule.


I love how he is pissing off the elite...

GO OBAMA!!!

Are you serious?
He is one of THEM.

Look at this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama
Scroll down to the bottom section called ''Distant relations''
Only now, at the end, do you understand.

[Arpheus]

Soros is Rothschild's chimp on a chain...

LOl,lol lol!!!:cool:

[Rocky_Shorz]

doesn't matter, distant cousins through his grandpa...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Ann_Dunham_with_father_and_children_%28enhanced%29.jpg/200px-Ann_Dunham_with_father_and_children_%28enhanced%29.jpg

The fact is look who is out to get him thrown out, follow the money...


bloodlines don't run as deep as money in today's world... ;)

[Lord Sidious]

doesn't matter, distant cousins through his grandpa...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Ann_Dunham_with_father_and_children_%28enhanced%29.jpg/200px-Ann_Dunham_with_father_and_children_%28enhanced%29.jpg

The fact is look who is out to get him thrown out, follow the money...


bloodlines don't run as deep as money in today's world... ;)

Again, you are close, but missed it by that much.
Bloodlines ARE the money.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I believe in sharing and they are holding my treasury... ;)

[mojo]

Thank you Aqua marina for explaining this amazing phenomenon. Folks please do a search on the web and you will find many other examples of reverse speech. Here are a few more.
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[Arpheus]

Very interesting...

[Odah]

it means that people have moved on from whatcing hours and hours of pixilated videos on you tube ..to point out when someone eyes looked reptilian. To listening to Obamas 1000 speaches to find a few second of speach that when listen to backwards can be taken as a secret message.

It is kind of like in the japan sinking thread .. where people equated a sea level rise of 5m during a tsunami warning.. to parts of japan sinking 16 feet.

It means that if you look hard enough you will find something. The interesting part is that someone actually spent ungodly amounts of time playing this stuff backwards to look for hidden forms of mind control.

It is also like showing politians arms when they are at that point in the wave that looks like a nazi salute.

obama had the best influence specialist and message mind control people working for him.. that during the campiens he was surrounded by every trick in the book. i really don't think anyone has the skill to right into a speach that if he says this group of words .. if you paly it back it will sound like this.

[Unified Serenity]

it means that people have moved on from whatcing hours and hours of pixilated videos on you tube ..to point out when someone eyes looked reptilian. To listening to Obamas 1000 speaches to find a few second of speach that when listen to backwards can be taken as a secret message.

It is kind of like in the japan sinking thread .. where people equated a sea level rise of 5m during a tsunami warning.. to parts of japan sinking 16 feet.

It means that if you look hard enough you will find something. The interesting part is that someone actually spent ungodly amounts of time playing this stuff backwards to look for hidden forms of mind control.

It is also like showing politians arms when they are at that point in the wave that looks like a nazi salute.

obama had the best influence specialist and message mind control people working for him.. that during the campiens he was surrounded by every trick in the book. i really don't think anyone has the skill to right into a speach that if he says this group of words .. if you paly it back it will sound like this.

It sounds like you have not really studied this issue of reverse speech. It's not that you can precode a speech to say something weird backwards. The person's inner thoughts and subconscience comes through and you understand what is really going on in their heads. Now, some stuff in RS is not clear while other stuff is very clear. I give most credence to the the stuff that is very clear. You can even do RS on babies and hear amazing stuff. Here is a sample from youtube:

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[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Everyone,

Here is another link relating to my comments about Barry's Mother's CIA connections, uncovered by Wayne Madsen. A very long read, I didn't make it to the end, but it's a very informative speed-read-scan, to give you the gist of it. If I was Wayne Madsen, I'd be heading for the hills.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=202351

Cheers,
Lily

[truthseekerdan]

Obviously he's been promoted by no other than Mr. "NWO agent provocateur" himself. Check this link (http://stevebeckow.com/2011/04/this-president-is-not-an-american-citizen/)

http://jojonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Obama-Birth-Certificate.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

[starsmoonmtns]

Indeed it seems he DOES!
Like most politicians worldwide, they have their handlers and are groomed from day one!
BUT like most puppets on a string....they are STS!
With a few exceptions being Ron Paul/Jessie Ventura and ? possibly Don Trump...... *hey M?
TIME FOR A REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
; )

[Chicodoodoo]

The deception is so big, so deep, and so outrageous, most people will refuse to believe it. No one wants to think that they've been played the fool to such a degree, or that it could even happen.

Sh*t happens. We need to do something about it.

[Flasky]

And what has Obama said about all of these allegations?

[Lord Sidious]

And what has Obama said about all of these allegations?

He has spent over $2 million trying to shut people up.
His lawyers keep getting the cases thrown out on technical points.
Obamanugget himself has never addressed the allegations, as far as I know.

[jackovesk]

Trump On Obama's Birth Certificate FOX Interview

Donald Trump discusses Barack Obama's birth certificate in interview with Sean Hannity on FOX. The Donald asks why does Obama have birth certificate sealed. What's Obama hiding?

Trump asks the following questions...

1. Why has Obama spent $Millions trying to stay away from this issue?
2. Why does'nt Obama produce his 'Birth Certificate'?
3. What's on Obama's 'Birth Certificate' he does'nt want people to see?

Trump Quote: Obama was born Barry Soetoro, somewhere along the line he change his name!; Nobody knows who Obama really is?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMjsGztl6v0

[Flasky]

Lol, "Obamanugget" ...:rofl:

[jorr lundstrom]

There are ruomors around about his parents, maybye.................

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/BushBinLaden.jpg

[astrid]

Me thinks they would only put someone in this position if they could manipulate them at the deepest level.

So it makes sense that they would find someone with a secret and dirty past.

Not saying the claims are true, but it does fit their agenda and MO.

[jackovesk]

Me thinks they would only put someone in this position if they could manipulate them at the deepest level.

So it makes sense that they would find someone with a secret and dirty past.

Not saying the claims are true, but it does fit their agenda and MO.

Hi Astrid,

You are 'Spot On' with your assumption. :yes4:

[jorr lundstrom]

Me thinks they would only put someone in this position if they could manipulate them at the deepest level.

So it makes sense that they would find someone with a secret and dirty past.

Not saying the claims are true, but it does fit their agenda and MO.

Yeah, you wont get anywhere in politics if they dont have a hold on you.

Once upon the time there was something called honest politicians,

but it was so long ago that you cant say for sure it ever happened.:sad:

[astrid]

And after JFK, they didn't want the risk of there ever being an "honest" polie again.

I think we can reasonably assume that a very dirty closet is a pre-requisit these days.

Barry is probably some sort of hyrid human full of implants.

They probably have a special hybrid project for creating the front man these days :p

There is for sure something really odd about him....

[Shezbeth]

I've seen a few vids that involve similar Obama comments,... but that first one, particularly the fact that it seems to entail a whole continuous sequence of his speech,... I don't know.

[Flasky]

It's all a bit spooky, isn't it.

His reverse speech sounds all like a bit of a riddle to me. "We're dead!" "911, 911, 911" ...I mean, why are we dead? Why does he keep saying Satan. Is he speaking about the reptilians? What about when he said something about his spirit been sold or something like that?

I was trying to analyze it all but it doesn't make much sense to me. Any thoughts friends?

[zenith]

Sorry, couldn't help myself. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdXek5d2ocw


Peace

[Fred259]

This is quite interesting; I wonder what is really going on here. Donald Trump is a high profile figure, why is he wasting his time dealing with this single issue?

Do you think they are trying to dump Obama and pave the way for Hillary?

Is Trump considering a Run? What's driving Trump?

[ktlight]

President Obama said Friday that he's convinced that voters will come to see him as the candidate best prepared to serve as president by next fall's elections.

The president said he thinks that he can make the case for a second term, though he acknowledged that the state of the economy could be his biggest hurdle to clear in winning reelection.

"I think the economy's going to continue to improve, and I think I'm going to be able to make an effective case that ... I am the person who is best prepared to finish the job so that we are on track to succeed in the 21st century," Obama said in a video interview this morning with The Associated Press.

"I think I can make that case, and I think that, in the debates that take place over the next 18 months, the American people will feel that I deserve a second term," Obama added.

source
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/156395-obama-after-debate-the-american-people-will-feel-that-i-deserve-a-second-term

[astrid]

Exactly, you can't tell me he doesn't have an agenda of his own here... what's he going to gain from this?

Surely he doesn't what the job??

[Odah]

The science of man made global warming seem to be valid to.. but apperently a lot of the top scientists have been manipulating the data to get it to say what they want it to say.

So let see the first reverse video .. seems to be making obama look like someone who is serveing god.. but trying to warn everyone.

The second one ..is painting obama as the anti christ himself .. ok i am exagerating a little .. but honestly ..The people here what they want to here depending on how they feel about obama.

That happen quite a bit when you hear his speeches given the normal way. I Can be viewed as a right winger.. THis moron makes George bush look smart. but i am not ready to jump on the boat with the concept that he even needs to code secret messages into his speaches .. especially when you have to read the bible and pick out the verses to get what he says.. Many of the people in that audience in the first video would have no idea of the context.

there is a lot that i will believe .. so i am not close minded .. But there Are times when people go out there and it is like come on ..

[Wings]

This is quite interesting; I wonder what is really going on here. Donald Trump is a high profile figure, why is he wasting his time dealing with this single issue?

Do you think they are trying to dump Obama and pave the way for Hillary?

Is Trump considering a Run? What's driving Trump?

Anyone who has heard Donald speak would know he hasn't been happy for a while about the direction things are going in America. Given there has been uncertainty about Obama's birth place (since before he was even elected), it really needs to be cleared up. (I'm surprised he was allowed to run for the Presidency without this documentation). As Donald says, all he has to do is produce his birth certificate.

I've heard Trump state on more than one occasion that he does not want to run for Presidency. In a few years time, I believe America may have a female President (not Hillary).

[jackovesk]

This is quite interesting; I wonder what is really going on here. Donald Trump is a high profile figure, why is he wasting his time dealing with this single issue?

Do you think they are trying to dump Obama and pave the way for Hillary?

Is Trump considering a Run? What's driving Trump?


Exactly, you can't tell me he doesn't have an agenda of his own here... what's he going to gain from this?

Surely he doesn't what the job??

Hi Fred & Astrid,

These are questions we would all like answered!

One thing we do know is Donald Trump is a Shrewd Customer.

Let's have a look at how he's playing the game, shall we;

1. Trump knows there is massive discontent with the Obama Administration. Check!
2. Trump knows there is a huge 'Birther' movement that want Obama to prove he was born in the USA. Check!
3. Trump knows there is a huge 'Tea Party' movement that he is siding with by asking these questions. Check!
4. Trump knows what Americans think of NAFTA & GATT and what it has done to their manufacturing industry. Check!
5. Trump knows that the economy is unsustainable and heading for collapse along with the $USD. Check!
6. Trump knows there is Corruption & Collusion within OPEC re: Oil prices and America is getting ripped off at the Gas pump. Check!
7. Trump knows America's Foreign Policy is unaffordable, and Inflation is starting to set in and rise. Check!
8. Trump knows that Americans are Waking Up to Obama's Incompetence & Corruption. etc, etc Check!
9. Trumps know CHINA is 'No Friend' of the United States! Check!

...and finally Trump knows his own business is Under Threat if the economy continues to falter, House Pricing continues its downward spiral & knows full well that Commercial Real Estate is next to go.

Watch this Video again to see how he brings these Issues out in the open...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMjsGztl6v0

For the time being I am enjoying watching the ultimate take down of Obama, I understand he does'nt pull the strings and is merely a 'Puppet' of the NWO Globalists!

Trump is calling Obama 'Out' for the Criminal & Fraud he is! So for now I am enjoying watching the show.

However when it comes to Trump's real Agenda, I am watching very closely and pose the same questions as you guys have.

[Fred259]

So do we take it then that Trump who is a very wealthy man is not on the inside, by this I mean he is not really part of the invisible gang of crooks and thieves.

However Trump will know exactly what’s going on and many more like him will also be fully in the picture. Many senior officers in the military will also know the real deal. I just wondered if this was some kind of power struggle developing. Is this a way of getting the Obama bin Biden dream team out of Pennsylvania Avenue?

Also;

I was wondering is any of you Aussie folk and Kiwis as well recognised the Obama birth certificates. I suppose I’m really referring to those of you perhaps fifty years or over…

I was born in Rhodesia, at that time like Kenya also a British Protectorate and my birth certificate is exactly the same as the Obama document. Essentially I mean the design, layout and in general the wording is exactly the same. Obviously the logo at the top is different and I wondered if perhaps this was the standard paperwork or certificates that they used perhaps throughout the Empire and Protectorates at that time.

[jackovesk]

So do we take it then that Trump who is a very wealthy man is not on the inside, by this I mean he is not really part of the invisible gang of crooks and thieves.


Who knows Fred, I certainly don't...

But you can bet your bottom dollar that if it looks like he will run for President, every single Researcher out there will do their best to find out.

[Lost Soul]

:blabla:

Economy is going down the toilet. When it upchucks later this year or next year, Obama won't even be considered viable anymore. I wonder if he knows he's a patsy?

[Pilgrim]

We can see that everything is possible today. I am in wonder and disbelieve. What a scam! They even forged the US president, own president! They don´t care about own people, own nation, own country at all. Masses are in a sleep, indeed...:tsk:

My American brothers and sisters, wake up!:whoo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauzrPn0cfg

Thank you for interesting thread.P.

[Arpheus]

Lol he calls economy recovery gas prices going up every other day now ?I dont know who he is kidding LMAO!!!

[Lord Sidious]

He deserves more than one term, I agree.
In a federal jail.
Dirtbag.

[Lord Sidious]

We can see that everything is possible today. I am in wonder and disbelieve. What a scam! They even forged the US president, own president! They don´t care about own people, own nation, own country at all. Masses are in a sleep, indeed...:tsk:

My American brothers and sisters, wake up!:whoo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauzrPn0cfg

Thank you for interesting thread.P.

Come on little youtube communist, no more hiding.

[Pilgrim]

He deserves more than one term, I agree.
In a federal jail.
Dirtbag.

Nicely put, I can not agree more, "yes, he can.."

[Nasu]

He deserves more than one term, I agree.
In a federal jail.
Dirtbag.

Nicely put, I can not agree more, "yes, he can.."

Nice. Sad how we have turned out to be an obamanation, its the deal though surely, come in with praise and acclaim but you must leave in shame and take the blame out the back door. His second term is just first terms hope of change, warmed over easy.. N

[Tangri]

He deserves more than one term, I agree.
In a federal jail.
Dirtbag.

Please don't forget the rest of the Congress and senate members.

[sjkted]

I don't want for the economy to continue to improve the way it has under his leadership.

--sjkted

[jimmer]

obama is another triple double talker.
he's an empty suit with a broad smile.

right out of Atlas Shrugged.

[LM-R]

So this reverse speech stuff works for any language yes/no ?

[ghostrider]

they have the tec to make people talk jibberish, could it be used to control a speech? to stay on plan?

[Rocky_Shorz]

I got this in an email, so I don't know the source of the pics or the text.



Subject: FINALLY WE HAVE PROOF

I guess we don't need to "Vote Him Out" in 2012, we just need to get our U.S. attorney general Mr. Eric Holder to throw him out with the dishwater! What a joke on us all ???

Here it is, folks! The document we have been waiting for! Now if only SOMEONE in Congress or the Supreme Court will act on this!

Spread this around.....if these documents are as authentic as they certainly seem to be, Obama is NOT qualified to be our President and he sits in the White House illegally!

This is what Obama has spent almost $2M (so far) to hide.

A British history buff was asked if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961.
After only a few minutes of research, he called back and said "Sir Edward F. Lavender Note the same name near the bottom of the photo above.
Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library."

The above document is a "Certified Copy of Registration of Birth", but below is a copy of the actual Certificate of Birth...

the real-deal legal kind of certificate.

The Mombasa Registrar of Births has testified that Obama's birth certificate from Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa is genuine. This copy was obtained by Lucas Smith through the help of a Kenyan Colonel who recently got it directly from the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa , Kenya .

The local Muslim Imam in Mombasa named Barack with his Muslim middle name Hussein so his official name on this certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.

The grandmother of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. reveals the story of his birth in Mombasa , Kenya , a seaport, after his mother suffered labor pains while swimming at ocean beach in Mombasa

"On August 4, 1961 Obama's mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya .
Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so the Obamas went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA!). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."

Letter from Kitau in Mombasa , Kenya ......

"I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya . I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put out by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the "copy" of the original was ordered. I stress the word "copy". My copy also has republic of Kenya . So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama's
birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.

The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor. We are very proud Obama was born here. We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother. They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets.

Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the back ground.

It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.

I encourage anyone to come here and visit. I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted. God Bless. Kitau"

This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school inJakarta, Indonesia , shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.

Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Nationality: Indonesian

How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America ?

In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College

The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California . The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

This document provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking - that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be President of these United States . Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya , here we see that there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship..

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.

Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.

LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS - THE MEDIA WON'T !!!

I really should let Trump keep blowing his horn, but once again I don't want Avalon members spun...


You certainly can believe what you like, but the widely circulated Kenyan birth certificate is a fake.

It surfaced back in August 2009, when one of the chief organizers of the so-called birther movement, attorney Orly Taitz, released the document showing that "Barack Hussein II" was born to Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama in August 1961 in Mombasa, Kenya. But the purported birth certificate quickly raised many questions, as reported by various media and fact-finding groups, including Snopes.com, a well-respected nonpartisan website that confirms or debunks rumors and urban legends:

- The date on the document is Feb. 17, 1964, and shows it being issued by the "Republic of Kenya." History books show that Kenya was the Dominion of Kenya in February 1964 and didn't adopt the name Republic of Kenya until Dec. 12, 1964.

- The age of Obama's father is incorrect. Obama Sr. was born in 1936 and would have been 24 or 25 years old at the time of his son's birth, not 26 as listed on the document.

- Mombasa is several hundred miles from Nyanza Province in western Kenya, where the Obama family lived. Nairobi would have been a much closer large city to take a woman about to deliver a baby.

- The number on the certificate is 47O44. It would be a strange coincidence for this exact number to show up: 47 was Obama's age when he became president, followed by the capital letter O (not zero) for his last name, followed by 44 for the fact that he is the 44th president.

PolitiFact.com, a nonpartisan Pultizer Prize-winning project of The St. Petersburg Times, e-mailed the purported Kenyan birth certificate to Salim Lone, spokesman for Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga, to see what he thought.

Here was his three-sentence reply: "It's a forgery. Kenya only became a Republic in December, 1964. Other arguments could also be marshaled, but they are not needed."

Then, according to PolitiFact.com, blogger Steve Eddy of California found on the Internet an extremely similar birth certificate posted by Australian David Jeffrey Bomford on a genealogy website.

Snopes.com points out the many features shared by the documents: the same certificate number (7s 6d 495), the same book number (44B), the same page number (5733) and the similarity of names - the registrar on the Australian certificate is G.F. Lavender (or Levender; it's hard to make out), and E.F. Lavender on the Kenyan one, and the district registrar is J.H. Miller on the Australian document and M.H. Miller on the Kenyan one. Even the creases in the papers look just about the same.

Reporters from the ABC affiliate in Australia talked to Bomford, who said he had nothing to do with the hoax.

"Oh I definitely confirm that the birth certificate was mine," Bomford told ABC as reported by PolitiFact.com. "That was quite easy to see ... even the style of the birth certificate was an old South Australian one. So it's quite easy to identify that it's mine."

Taitz responded that the Bomford certificate was created to discredit her case.

But even Joseph Farah, the founder of WorldNetDaily - the conservative website that has trumpeted the birther movement's efforts - ran a column stating that he doubted the document was real, according to PolitiFact.com.

Karl Rove, the former deputy chief of staff and senior adviser to President George W. Bush and a conservative, also has said the certificate is likely a forgery.

Still, PolitiFact.com e-mailed South Australian officials to get their take on the Bomford certificate. The response came from Val Edyvean, Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages for South Australia:

"It appears that a South Australian loaded an image of his own birth certificate onto a family history website and that the format was used by others to 'create' a document which purported to be a Kenyan birth certificate for Barack Obama. As the South Australian man has now removed this image, and the date of his birth is in the period of certificates which are restricted from public access, I do not intend to add to speculation by commenting on details of either that certificate or any aspects of it."

Snopes.com brings up another "Kenyan birth certificate" for Obama that was offered for sale on eBay by Lucas Smith in August 2009. It contains many of the same flaws as the Taitz document.

Taitz tried to introduce the second document in one of her suits charging that Obama was born outside the U.S. and thus is not qualified to be president. U.S. District Judge Clay Land dismissed the complaint and said Taitz faced sanctions if she continued to file such frivolous motions.

By the way, the Internet funsters haven't stayed away from this hoax, Snopes.com points out. At the Republic of Kenya Birth Certificate Generator website (kenyanbirthcertificate generator.com), you, too, can have your very own registration of birth from Kenya.

truth link... ;) (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-08-08/story/fact-check-no-again-not-obamas-birth-certificate-kenya)

[Rocky_Shorz]

this says it all...


...and finally Trump knows his own business is Under Threat if the economy continues to falter, House Pricing continues its downward spiral & knows full well that Commercial Real Estate is next to go.

His businesses all cater to the elites, if they don't spend money, he doesn't make any...

and when things get tough... he walks...


Trump Entertainment Resorts, Inc., a group of casinos in New Jersey's Atlantic City, filed for involuntary bankruptcy yesterday after a record fall in revenue of 7.6% in 2008, the second straight annual decline and only such back-to-back drop in the drowsy seaside town’s history. Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka resigned from the board on Friday in protest, with rumored intentions to sue the bondholders according to a February 14 article in the Wall Street Journal.

In Atlantic City, Trump Entertainment Resorts, Inc. operates Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort, Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, and Trump Marina Hotel. Shares currently trade around 23 cents, down from more then $4 a year ago according to Bloomberg reports. The Trump casinos are slated to remain open during restructuring. 2008 assets are listed at $2.06 billion and debt at $1.74 billion, according to the Chapter 11 filing. Together, the trio have nearly 3,000 hotel rooms, 400 game tables, and over 9,000 slot machines. The three resorts have been through bankruptcy in the 1990's, 2004, and this week...

3rd times a charm Feb 2009 (http://www.examiner.com/international-travel-in-albuquerque/third-time-s-a-charm-trump-resorts-bankrupt-again)

I bet the bankers would really love you to walk into office take one look at the books and file bankruptcy to dump all the debt...

[truthseekerdan]

Everybody in Kenya seems to know something about Barack Obama, that Americans don't know! Hear what they have to say about Barack Obama's religion and where he was actually born. I guarantee you'll find it interesting whichever political side you may be on. Remember that the United States Constitution requires that a President must be a "natural born" citizen of the United States - born to American parents on American soil!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4FqVRWgrNw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4FqVRWgrNw

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SPECIAL REPORT: Ann Dunham Soetoro

BY WAYNE MADSEN

A female "Indiana Jones" who "human terrained" Communists in Indonesia for the CIA.

A third world leader who had challenged the hegemony of the United States was accused of trying to obtain an atomic bomb and helping to create an “axis” of America’s enemy. We are not referring to either Saddam Hussein or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad but to President Sukarno of Indonesia.

U.S. support for the Indonesian coup and Project CAMELOT

President Obama's step-father, Lolo Soetoro, a reserve Indonesian army officer called back into service in the army in 1965 from his CIA-supplied scholarship at the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, was a foot soldier in the putschist cabal of General Suharto, the man who the CIA designated as the leader of the 1965 coup that deposed Sukarno and targeted between 500,000 and 1 million members of the Indonesian Communist Party (PKI) for elimination. Lolo Soetoro was one of some 4000 Indonesian army officers who were trained in the United States between 1958 and 1965 and the CIA and Pentagon ensured that these officers would be available for the long-planned overthrow of Sukarno. In fact, an overwhelming majority of Indonesian army officers who were trained abroad received their training in the United States, not in the Soviet Union or China. The air force, on the other hand, was seen as pro-PKI and PKI influence extended into the junior officer ranks of the Indonesian navy, particularly in Surabaya, eastern Java.

The Indonesian army also included some PKI sympathizers, especially in units in central and eastern Java, which were also areas of interest to Ann Soetoro in her "anthropological field work" for the U.S. government. In addition, the police force in central and eastern Java was also sympathetic to the PKI.

Obama's mother, Ann Soetoro, was dispatched from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1967, along with seven year-old Barack Obama, to infiltrate villages in Java to carry out a CIA survey of political leanings among the Javanese population. Those unfortunate enough to be tagged as Communists or Sukarno supporters were then targeted for elimination by the CIA, which turned the target lists over to Suharto's army officers, including Lolo Soetoro. During the Cold War, the use of anthropologists by the CIA and Defense Department in the collection of ethnographic and cultural intelligence was commonplace, with modern roots in a classified U.S. intelligence program created in 1964, three years before Dunham Soetoro arrived in Indonesia, called Project CAMELOT. The first testing ground for CAMELOT was Chile and the target was that nation's indigenous population, including the Mapuche Indians.

The use of anthropologists like Dunham Soetoro was supported through grants laundered by the Ford, Rockefeller, and Carnegie Foundations. Many of Dunham Soetoro's activities in Java were funded by the Ford Foundation.

CAMELOT was officially described as follows by the U.S. Army: "Success in such tasks as equipping and training indigenous forces for an internal security mission, civic action, psychological warfare, or other counterinsurgency action depends on a thorough understanding of the indigenous social structure, upon the accuracy with which changes within the indigenous culture, particularly violent changes, are anticipated, and the effects of various courses of action available to the military and other agencies of government upon the indigenous process of change."

CAMELOT's work was conducted at American University in Washington, DC by the Pentagon's Special Operations Research Office (SORO). SORO ran the Army's psychological warfare operations. In addition to CAMELOT "research" in Chile, SORO anthropological research also targeted the indigenous peoples of Colombia and Peru.

CAMELOT still exists under a new name and Obama supports it

Today, a number of elements in CAMELOT are integral to the much-discredited "Human Terrain System" (HTS) operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. As with CAMELOT and other covert operations involving anthropologists, HTS has been charged with exacerbating tensions between various indigenous groups and tribes to create intelligence opportunities for the U.S. military. The targeting of village leaders, a replay, of the CIA's PHOENIX assassination program in South Vietnam, part of CIA Southeast Asia regional chief William Colby's Civil Operations and Revolutionary Development Support (CORDS) program, has also been a charge leveled against those involved with HTS. President Obama has done nothing to curtail HTS funding, although there have been some moves by some in Congress to do so.

Obama continues to fund the follow-on to CAMELOT, PHOENIX, CORDS, and MODJOKUTO, all CIA/Pentagon operations familiar to his mother and her colleagues, the Human Terrain System, which has been responsible for massacres of civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen and Pakistan.

Members of the American Anthropological Association (AAA) have, like they did with CAMELOT and PHOENIX, have condemned HTS for its reliance on what the AAA has described as “mercenary anthropology." A survey of literature during the late 1960s and 70s indicate that Dunham Soetoro and many of her colleagues engaged in U.S. government- and Ford Foundation-financed anthropological field work in Indonesia met the definition of "mercenary anthropologists." Central and eastern Java were known as hotbeds of what was termed "rural radicalism," and, thus, were of extreme interest to CAMELOT and the CIA behavioral science and ethnographic elements. Other CIA-funded anthropologists fanned out after the 1965 coup to other areas of Indonesia known to be areas of strong PKI support, including Aceh in northwestern Sumatra and Bali. The massacres of actual and suspected PKI members were so great that sanitation in Java, Bali, and Aceh became an issue as a result from the rotting of human corpses. It was into this environment that Ann Soetoro brought seven year-old Barack Obama in 1967, yet Obama barely mentions these "years of living dangerously" in his autobiographical sketches about his mother's and step father's activities in Indonesia. There is only a brief mention of Lolo Soetoro's counter-insurgency operations in Indonesian occupied West Papua, which, like East Timor and Aceh, would attract the interests of a fair number of CIA-funded anthropologists in counter-insurgency — and even genocidal campaigns in the case of East Timor — into the 1970s, 80s, 90s, and to the present day.

At its height, the PKI was estimated to have some 20 million members, with its main areas of support in central and eastern Java, particular areas of focus after the Suharto coup for Ann Soetoro and her US Agency for International Development (USAID) and CIA official and non-official cover embassy and consulate colleagues in Jakarta and Surabaya. One of Dunham Soetoro's colleagues in Indonesia was Ford Foundation consultant Clifford Geertz who became known later as an eminent scholar on cultural anthropology in Indonesia and Morocco.

In a poem written by intelligence expert Professor Peter Dale Scott about the Indonesian massacre Geertz is mentioned in a cryptic passage:

Clifford Geertz having just

reread your Notes

on the Balinese cockfight how you were first accepted by cautious villagers after you all fled

from the Javanese constabulary and how slaughter in the cock ring itself after red pepper

Is stuffed down their beaks and up their anuses joins pride to selfhood

selfhood to cocks and cocks to destruction

a blood sacrifice offered to the demons

to pacify their cannibal hunger



Geertz, who was heavily funded by the Ford Foundation, happened to have arrived in Indonesia the day before the coup against Sukarno. Geertz immediately went to Yogyakarta, the PKI hot-bed that would later also see Dunham Soetoro conducting "field research."

The use of cultural anthropologists for CIA work created a furor in the 1960s, especially with their use in South Vietnam and Thailand in support of the war effort. However, one of the most noted anthropologists in the world at the time, Margaret Mead, renowned for her seminal work in 1928, "Coming of Age in Samoa," and her controversial views on the sexual morés of the 1960s, defended the CIA's use of anthropologists in field work. In a 1971 report, called the Mead Report, Mead rebutted the Beals Report and stated that the use of anthropologists in counter-insurgency "research" met the "traditional canons of acceptable behavior" for anthropologists.

Mead found herself in opposition to senior anthropologists of the AAA who were opposed to the CIA's use of anthropologists in covert operations and counter-insurgency programs. In 1966, Professor Ralph Beals of UCLA presented a report commissioned by the AAA on the subject of CIA co-option of anthropologists. The Beals Report stated: "several anthropologists, especially younger ones who had difficulty in securing research funds, were approached by ‘obscure’ foundations or were offered support from such organizations only to discover later that they were expected to provide intelligence information to the CIA." The report added, "agents of the CIA have posed as anthropologists, much to the detriment of the anthropological research programs."

Note: WMR is attempting to obtain a copy of the full Beals Report, which was officially adopted by the AAA's Council of Fellows in 1967, the year Dunham Soetoro arrived in Indonesia. Professor Beals died in 1985.

Geertz worked with the Center for International Studies (CENIS) at MIT on projects funded by the CIA and Ford Foundation. One was Project MODJOKUTO in Indonesia. In fact, in his book, "The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack Obama," David Remnick cites Geertz as one of Dunham Soetoro's Indonesian colleagues. Geertz, a specialist in the post-war Javanese economy, believed in modernization of tribal and rural societies and was not sold on Dunham Soetoro's quaint ideas of promoting the interests and development of Indonesian village craftsmen and weavers.

CENIS's anthropological work on behalf of the CIA was the brainchild of Max Millikan, CENIS's first director, and Walt W. Rostow who, in 1954, convinced CIA director Allen Dulles of the need for CIA involvement in development projects abroad. Rostow later became deputy national security adviser in the Lyndon Johnson White House. Rostow worked for McGeorge Bundy, who, after leaving the White House in 1966, became President of the Ford Foundation, the main source of the laundered CIA funding for Geertz's and Dunham Soetoro's field work in Indonesia.

Many of the pre-1977 CIA files on its interactions with the American Anthropological Association have either been heavily redacted or destroyed. Many of the MK-ULTRA documents on CIA behavioral science work in the United States and abroad were ordered destroyed in 1973 by CIA director Colby, shortly after he took over at Langley. Some of the CIA's anthropological studies were directed domestically a the Black Panther Party, which also gained the attention of Barack Obama, Jr. in the mid-1980s, while he was allegedly involved in "community organizing" in south Chicago, a Black Panther base of operations, after leaving a high-paying job as a "journalist" for CIA front Business International Corporation in Manhattan.

Three anthropologists serving with Human Terrain Teams in Afghanistan have been killed since the inception of the program or what could be termed the resurrection of CAMELOT and PHOENIX. Dunham Soetoro and her colleagues were much luckier in Java and on other Indonesian islands following the 1965 military coup. For one thing, the CIA had already infiltrated and sponsored a number of Indonesian groups prior to the coup against Sukarno, providing a ready-made network of informants for Ann Soetoro and her anthropology colleagues. Groups sponsored by the CIA included the Central Organization of Indonesian Socialist Employees (SOKSI), student organizations, and others.

Ann Dunham Soetoro: A female "Indiana Jones" surveying villagers to root out Communists for the CIA. She was not the only anthropologist involved in such activities.

As with the reasons why the United States went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, which were based on false premises, the covert U.S. incursion into Indonesia in 1965 was also based on fraudulent "new stories" and outright lies crafted by the CIA and Pentagon.

The CIA propaganda war against Sukarno

In September 1964, Sukarno accused leaders of the Murba Party, a "nationalist" Communist Party with ties to Moscow, as opposed to the pro-Chinese PKI, of attempting to launch a palace coup backed by the CIA. The Murba Party masked its true intentions by launching a new group, the "Body to Promote Sukarnoism" (BPS), however Sukarno saw it as a ruse to further the ambitions of Washington and Moscow and he banned the BPS. Ann Soetoro's knowledge of Russian, which she took, along with Barack Obama, Sr., at the University of Hawaii in 1960, would come in handy in her contacts with Murba officials, including Murba secretary general Adam Malik, who had been Indonesia's ambassador in Moscow in 1959. In January 1965, Sukarno banned Murba, which, after the coup later that year, became legal again under Suharto. Malik, who may have also acted as an agent of the CIA while in Moscow and as Indonesian Trade Minister in 1963, became Indonesian foreign minister and deputy prime minister under Suharto in 1966.

The western media began a full propaganda effort against Sukarno in late 1964. On October 16, China tested its first atomic bomb. In November, Chinese Foreign Minister Chen Yi visited Jakarta and almost immediately, there were bogus reports put out by the CIA in the Asian and western press that China was prepared to give nuclear weapons technology to Indonesia. There were also Western media reports that Sukarno was planning to set up an anti-western "axis" of Indonesia, Cambodia, North Korea, North Vietnam, and mainland China. Only Cambodia was a member of the United Nations. The similarities between this so-called "axis" and the "axis of evil" of Iraq, Iran, and North Korea promoted by the neo-conservatives before the U.S. invasion of Iraq are stark.

The CIA's propaganda efforts even extended to Indonesian seers and mystics, who began to predict Sukarno's imminent downfall or death.

The stage was being set for a coup against Sukarno. In January 1965, Indonesia withdrew from the United Nations because its arch-enemy, Malaysia, was given a seat on the UN Security Council. There were also reports that Chinese Prime Minister Chou En-lai had promised to provide weapons to PKI cadres to provide Sukarno with his own armed militia against the suspect Indonesian army. The bogus story about the secret supply of Chinese weapons to the PKI for a communist revolt first appeared in a Malaysian newspaper, citing unnamed sources in Bangkok, who heard the story from Hong Kong sources who picked up the information from contacts in mainland China. Even by today's shoddy journalism standards of Fox News and CNN, the story lacked any credulity.

A mysterious letter surfaced in Indonesia in July 1965, purportedly written by British ambassador in Jakarta Andrew Gilchrist to the British Foreign Office in London that referred to "our local army friends." Gilchrist was a British intelligence agent in India and Thailand during World War II. Gilchrist, in the months leading up to the coup, told London that regime change in Jakarta would entail "more than a little shooting." Before being posted to Jakarta, Gilchrist was British Consul General in Chicago. The University of Chicago's "New Nations Project, a suspected CIA-linked research project that examined nationalist movements around the world during the 1960s, involved none other than Dunham Soetoro's colleague in Indonesia, Clifford Geertz.

In March 1965, Sukarno infuriated the West by taking over the operations of western oil companies, including Shell, Caltex, and Stanvac, which was owned by Mobil. In 1970, after leaving the army, Lolo Soetoro went to work for Mobil, which was assured of no interference from the pro-U.S. Suharto government.

In April 1965, Sukarno expelled the Peace Corps from Indonesia as he grew more and more suspicious of American covert activities in his country. The next month, Sukarno accused the United States and Britain of planning a coup against him with the aid of the Indonesian army. Army forces began to call back Indonesian army reserve officers who were studying abroad in order to supplement their ranks for the planned coup against Sukarno. On July 20, 1965, Lolo Soetoro, who had been in the United States receiving CIA- and Pentagon-funded training since September 18, 1962, left Hawaii for Indonesia. He had married Ann Dunham on March 15, 1965. Ann Soetoro received her U.S. passport on July 19, 1965, the day before Lolo Soetoro left for Indonesia and just as events were heating up in Indonesia.

Suspiciously, Lolo Soetoro's Wikipedia entry has been altered to reflect his departure from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1966, the year following the coup. It appears that certain interests want to cover up Lolo Soetoro's involvement in the 1965 CIA coup.

In August, Sukarno committed the arch sin as viewed by the West and quasi-CIA support organizations like the Ford Foundation. Sukarno withdrew Indonesia from the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and INTERPOL. In August, while receiving a foreign delegation, Sukarno began to vomit uncontrollably and he collapsed. This was during the height of the CIA's assassination program led by the "Black Sorcerer," Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, the head of MK-ULTRA, who had previously attempted the poisonings of Fidel Castro, Iraqi leader Abdul Karim Qassem, and Congo's Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba.

False flag assassinations blamed on the Communists

On September 30, 1965, what unfolded in Indonesia may have been a classic CIA disinformation and "false flag" operation. Low-ranking army officers, said to be part of an attempted PKI takeover and calling themselves the "30 September Movement," attempted to kidnap seven anti-PKI army generals, however, oddly, General Suharto, the CIA's point man for the coup, was not among the kidnapping targets. Generals Yani, Haryono, and Panjaitan were killed at their homes "while resisting arrest," while Generals Soeprapto, Parman, and Sutoyo were taken alive and shot later by the coup plotters. The bodies of all seven generals were dumped into a well.

The Minister of Defense and Security, General Nasution, managed to escape alive from his home and received asylum at the Iraqi embassy, although his five year-old daughter was killed in the attack. The coup was launched from the Halim airbase outside Jakarta. However, for a coup attempt blamed on the PKI, which was used to launch a bloody massacre of PKI members and their sympathizers and force Sukarno from power, it was amazing that most of the PKI leadership were not in Jakarta and were not in contact with the low-ranking coup leaders. Aidit, one of the PKI Politburo members, was present at the Halim base but Politburo members Njoto, Lukman, Subandrio, Chaerul Saleh and Sastroamidjojo were not in Jakarta. There is no conclusive evidence that the PKI staged the murders of the seven generals but there is ample evidence that given the CIA's and MI-6's pre-coup operations, that it was they and Suharto that staged the massacre to provide a reason to oust Sukarno and begin the systematic massacres of PKI members.

It was also odd that given General Yani's soft approach to the PKI, that he was marked for assassination by alleged PKI cadres. However, General Nasution, who was known to be extremely anti-Communist and who was counted in the pro-U.S. camp, was able to escape assassination and hide out in the Iraqi embassy. Although Nasution swore Suharto in as the new president after the formal ousting of Sukarno, Nasution later broke with Suharto.

Why Indonesia 1965 matters for America 2011

Obama's advent to the White House was hailed as a first for the United States, someone had been elected as the "leader of the Free World" who had a multi-cultural background and a unique international understanding, as opposed to the pedestrian nature of George W. Bush. As Obama's policies have become more clear, it is now a distinct possibility that Obama's "international understanding" has been influenced not so much by America's founders' principles but by the "strong man" characteristics of Asian personages such as Suharto, Adam Malik, and Obama's step-father Lolo Soetoro. And for that, all Americans should be fearful.

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2011/03/special-report-ann-dunham-soetoro/

[Flash]

This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator....very interesting.

Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad... and it may not be his citizenship. (Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt...)

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/200620_10150187385832905_675227904_8157314_3456099_a.jpg

As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry's name was legally changed to "Barry Soetoro". (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry's vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate...

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry's legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry's father really was and Barry himself may not know.

[B]

I am not very versed in American politics and in American potilical inuendos, so I let all of you Americans Avalonians, be the judges. However, when you say that an Asian may be the father of Obama, I have a hard time with this - his mother was white, and he is black. Were am I missing something? Anyone else from black backgrouond could be the father, but an Asian...

[loveandgratitude]

HOW COULD STANLEY ANN DUNHAM HAVE DELIVERED BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR. IN AUGUST OF 1961 IN HONOLULU, WHEN OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON RECORDS SHOW HER 2680 MILES AWAY IN SEATTLE ATTENDING CLASSES THAT SAME MONTH?

UPDATE: The "Atlas says that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child" charge has gone viral among leftards and lizards. The only problem with it is that it is false. I am not the author of this post, and I posted it because the writer did a spectacular job documenting Obama's many connections with the Far Left. The Malcolm X claim is one minor part of this story, and was of interest to me principally as part of the writer's documentation that Stanley Ann Dunham could not have been where the Obama camp says she was at various times. I do not believe that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child, and never did -- but there remain many, many unanswered questions about his early life and upbringing.

THIS STORY IS SO LONG AND SO MANY DOCUMENTS THAT ANYONE INTERESTED IN STUDYING THIS WELL RESEARCHED STORY

PLEASE GO TO THIS LINK : -

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=121422; (PHOTOS OF ANN DUNHAM - Naked photographs)

[ktlight]

Yona Metzger tells congregants in a Shabbat sermon that Jews who voted for Obama are disappointed, and U.S. president should release Pollard as mark of good faith.

By Haaretz Service
The Ashkenazi chief rabbi of Israel, Yona Metzger, told congregants in a Sabbath sermon that if U.S. President Barack Obama seeks reelection, he must release Jonathan Pollard, Israel Radio reported on Sunday.

In the sermon delivered at Yeshurun Synagogue in Jerusalem on Saturday, Metzger told said there was a feeling that many American Jews that had supported Obama in the last election were disappointed in him, in no small part because of Obama's indifference to Pollard.

A civilian employee for the United States Navy, Pollard was sentenced to life in prison in 1987 on charges of spying for Israel. He is incarcerated at a federal jail in North Carolina.

source
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/report-israel-chief-rabbi-says-obama-must-free-pollard-if-he-wants-another-term-1.356383

[TimelessDimensions]

maybe the sub-conscious mind exist in a mirror world,
the dream world may be in reverse to this one..

[tkh123186]

A most strange report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Russian Federal Space Agency (FKA/RKA) states that this Sunday past (April 10th) an ФКА Satellite operating in space over North America detected a massive “infrared-magnetic anomaly” emanating under the highly secretive Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR) in the western US.

The NTTR is the largest military base of its kind in the US covering an area greater than 12,140 km (4,687 square miles) and includes the Tonopah Test Range (TTR), known as Area 52, the Hawthorne Army Depot (HWAD), which is the largest ammunition depot in the world, and the recently named Homey Airport, otherwise known as Area 51.

Coinciding with the emergence of this “anomaly” on April 10th, this report says, were violent near-surface earthquakes that have as yet not subsided and have led to earthquake expert Graham Kent, the Director of Nevada Seismological Laboratory at the University of Nevada Reno, to state his “growing concern” as hundreds of quakes continue to shake the region.

Kent further warned today that the next big earthquake could happen in Reno (the 4th largest city in Nevada) “in a couple hours” due to this mysterious “anomaly,” a warning going unheeded by President Obama who this morning announced he would be traveling to Reno this coming Thursday.

According to this report, however, Obama’s trip to the Area 51 base region was “ordered” by America’s top military commanders after a mysterious “object” erupted from under the NTTR and flew at an estimated Mach 6 speed towards Washington D.C. in the early hours of Thursday (April 14th) where it was met by fighter jets from Andrews Air Force Base.

The ФКА Satellite monitoring the flight path of this UFO, described by witnesses as a “bright star like object,” states that from Washington D.C. it flew south where it “disappeared” under the Atlantic Ocean in the Antarctica region where one of the most mysterious battles in human history occurred in 1947 when a vast armada of ships under US command were repelled by as an yet unnamed “force” and known to history as “Operation High-Jump.”

Important to note about this mysterious battle in Antarctica was its being ordered by one of America’s most powerful war leaders, US Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal, but who was “suicided” after the crushing defeat of the Operation High-Jump forces.

Now to if those “forces” that repelled the American attack in 1947 are responsible for the events occurring now it is not in our knowing. It is, however, worth noting, and as we documented in our April 10th report “Russia Orders Missile Alert After Mysterious ‘Vortex’ Slams Into Germany,” recently released classified US documents prove that shortly after Operation High-Jump American military forces did, indeed, capture at least 3 UFO’s, and as we can read:

“According to this FBI document, a memo titled ‘Flying Saucers’ to the FBI director J. Edgar Hoover from Guy Hottel, the special agent in charge of the Washington field office in 1950, stated “three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico” by the US Military in 1947 that he described as being “circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall, dressed in a metallic cloth of a very fine texture and with each body bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots.”

Even more alarming about these alien “forces” are their being reported to have caused mass panic in the highest reaches of the US government when during the late 1970’s they were reported to have taken over 8,000 cattle from American farms, removed their sexual organs, and then tossed them back to Earth from their UFO’s, and as we can read, in part, as reported this past week by London’s Daily Mail News Service:

“Cows were sacrificed by aliens sending the White House into a panic declassified FBI files have revealed.

It is claimed that more than 8,000 cows were abducted by UFOs before they were mutilated and thrown back down to earth over the southern United States during the 1970s. The memo is one of thousands of previously unreleased classified files that the bureau has made public in a new online resource called The Vault.

The files detail how the aliens took trophies from their victims in the form of body parts and in some cases they drained the animals entirely of their blood. One investigator's theory was that 'these animals are picked up by aircraft, mutilated elsewhere and returned and dropped from aircraft.

'Identical mutilations have been taking place all over the south west. whoever is responsible is well organised with boundless technology, financing and secrecy.'When news of the cow abductions reached the White House in 1979, there was fear.

'The materials sent to me indicate one of the strangest phenomenon in my memory,' said the then US Attorney General Griffin Bell in a letter to senator Harrison Schmitt, according to The Sun newspaper.”

Important to note about cattle is their DNA is nearly a 100% identical match to human beings, with both species being so closely matched that in 2002, four calves were born in the US having human DNA allowing them to produce human antibodies, and just this past week scientists from China’s Agricultural University in Beijing successfully cloned 17 cows that can produce milk similar to human breast milk.

More ominous, however, about the relationship between cattle and human beings lies in their being the most perplexing of species as there is no known evolutionary trail linking them to any other species, it’s as if they just “suddenly” appeared on Earth about 5,000 years ago.

Where science ends, though, the most ancient myths of our planet continues by stating that cattle, along with sheep and goats, were the “food of the gods,” and which in nearly every religious culture the sacrificing of them to “the gods” was mandated. And the reason these “gods” needed cattle, and as explained by the Sorcha Faal in her seminal work titled “Battle Begins For Throne of This World: The Return of the Einherjar Warriors,” was due to the fact that ingestion of cattle photomorphegens would allow an alien species not from Earth to be able to exist in our atmosphere, eat our food, and drink our water. [Note: Protomorphogen is the fundamental building block of cell life. It is not DNA or RNA. Nor is it, in its simplest state, a protein or nucleoprotein. It is a "template" or spatial pattern that determines the production of nucleoproteins or other proteins.]

To a world growing ever harsher due to our human races’ lack of morality, the ancient warnings of the signs to come, which are appearing more and more with each passing day, continue to be ignored.

And in what is, perhaps, one of the largest irony’s today, Quentin Atkinson, an evolutionary psychologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, just announced the conclusion of a landmark study stating that our world's 6,000 or so modern languages may have all descended from a single ancestral tongue spoken by early African humans between 50,000 and 70,000 years ago.

For those knowing the ancient myths and legends of our planet, this “new” study comes as no surprise as there was once a time when even the smallest child knew the story about the Tower of Babel, that according to the biblical account:

“A united humanity of the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating from the east, came to the land of Shinar, where they resolved to build a city with a tower "with its top in the heavens...lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the Earth." God came down to see what they did and said: "They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withholden from them which they purpose to do." So God said, "Come, let us go down and confound their speech." And so God scattered them upon the face of the Earth, and confused their languages, and they left off building the city, which was called Babel "because God there confounded the language of all the Earth.”

Important to note about this biblical story is the “god” saying “let us go down and confound their speech,” leading one to wonder who “they” were?

The answer to that question was answered by the late Sumerian scholar Zecharia Sitchin (1920-2010) who in his book “There Were Giants Upon the Earth” detailed how an alien race came to our planet about 50-70,000 years ago, landed their craft in the African nation of Zimbabwe and began mining gold. [Note: The oldest prehistoric mines in the world are located in Zimbabwe.]

When these alien “gods”, known the ancient Sumerian’s as the Anunnaki, grew tired of the physical labor of mining they established a new “base” in the Persian Gulf they named the “Eden” where they created the first man, called the A-dam, and the first women called the Eve.

Now to if the events now occurring in the US are related to these ancient “gods” there remains little doubt, and judging by the pace that the American government is releasing once-classified documents relating to them the prophesied “final battle” between these “gods” and men may be even nearer than we think.

And with Obama now scheduled to be in the mysterious Area 51 region on April 21st, the exact date that Rome was founded in 753 BC by Romulus and Remus creating the largest empire ever known in the ancient world, one can indeed wonder what will happen next.

source - http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1472.htm

[Olam]

I stopped reading at "Sorcha Faal".....

[tkh123186]

I stopped reading at "Sorcha Faal".....

LOL, I am not to familiar with his work so I wanted to see what Avalon thought... now I think I know =)

[Elixer]

The opinion of one is the opinion of all?

It is mostly because Sorcha Faal's reputation as a disinfo distributor that I am interested in reading what she has to say and not say.
Reading it doesn't mean you have to believe it.

I thought this story made some interesting statements, quite a few seem verifiable.
Maybe I read it too fast, but it doesn't really seem to make a point. To me then, it is likely to be a piece of fluff concocted to serve as a vehicle for some actual truths to come out. Or not.
It's pulling from quite a few different fields as well. Religion, human origin, DNA, aliens, military, secret space technology and on and on. It mentions the online resource 'the Vault' (http://vault.fbi.gov/) where a lot of disclosure data can potentially be found.

Even some interesting typos. Then near the end is the 21st of april date to watch out for. This article has everything ;)

If there is a point to the article, I guess it is that the Reno Area 51 is a place where some freaky stuff can go down and Obama has been ordered to visit there on that day.
It's so interestingly vague. You'd really have to verify everything written here, or know it to be true or false. Is this area 51 the same as the famous one with hangar 18, or is it a different one, recently named Homey Airport? Is it even important?

If the entire story is bogus, then who knows, it might serve as a call to assassins or what have you. "Barry is vulnerable then and there, go get him".
Then again, it could be another one of those mass rituals that marks the start of the nwo or a new roman empire or the end of one. Who knows?

Sorcha Faal, true or not, her material can still be considered 'intelligence' if you ask me and if that is a stretch, at least it's interesting entertainment.

[conk]

This Faal character should write science fiction. They are quite good at it.

[Olam]

I have seen this writer dish out articles for about 4 years now. Every single one I have read( in the first 2 years) have been pretty much 100% disinfo, thinking back on that.
He is on the top of my list of what not to spend time on!
Yes they are facinating articles, but I now spend my energy wisely and avoid those.

[tkh123186]

I have seen this writer dish out articles for about 4 years now. Every single one I have read( in the first 2 years) have been pretty much 100% disinfo, thinking back on that.
He is on the top of my list of what not to spend time on!
Yes they are facinating articles, but I now spend my energy wisely and avoid those.

I honestly did not read the whole article just skimmed through it lol, looks like I didn't miss anything.

[K626]

Obama can't go on the 21st he'll be tied up on Mars forging a new birth certificate in low gravity conditions. [/Faal update]

:p

K

[griffon]

Sorcha Faal is an anagram of the original web site owners daughters name. I forget the original mans name now. He was the so-called seer,soothsayer who started all the hubbub about the last Fatima revelation years and years ago. He said he was in contact with the last surviving witness who told him the secrets and blah,blah. I believe his vanitypress publisher exposed him for the con man that he is.He created alot of noise on that site at that time, even had me believing it. After this the web site went down for a few months. His daughter came back on the site and said a few things which I don't remember now, it was so long ago. After that Sorcha Faal appeared and the site has been the same since. People who knew the man figured out the anagram thing.

[blufire]

Daughter's name is Rachal and full anagram is "as of Rachal" . . . . also notice the anagram has 10 letters

His name is David Booth



Sorcha Faal is an anagram of the original web site owners daughters name. I forget the original mans name now. He was the so-called seer,soothsayer who started all the hubbub about the last Fatima revelation years and years ago. He said he was in contact with the last surviving witness who told him the secrets and blah,blah. I believe his vanitypress publisher exposed him for the con man that he is.He created alot of noise on that site at that time, even had me believing it. After this the web site went down for a few months. His daughter came back on the site and said a few things which I don't remember now, it was so long ago. After that Sorcha Faal appeared and the site has been the same since. People who knew the man figured out the anagram thing.

[Omni]

I wonder if Booth has wrote an article on anything that is true. I would be interested in viewing his mind. Seeing his thought process in how he decides to write articles etc.

[Rocky_Shorz]

go to whatdoesitmean.com

there are partial truths in everything he writes, but the wicked spin is always him.

you might like this one...


According to this report, the extraordinary gamma-ray explosion [photo top left] first observed in deep space on March 28 by NASA's Swift satellite, and that has so far lasted an unprecedented 12 days, appears to be ‘communicating’ with the massive Asteroid 2010 SO16 , the largest space rock ever discovered so close to Earth, and Asteroid 2005 YU55, a round mini-world that is about 400 meters (1,300 feet) in diameter and which in early November will approach our planet within a scant 0.85 lunar distances.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/svn2.jpg

Though Russian scientists have as yet been unable to identify what these ‘communications’ mean, this report continues, the effects upon our planet are being widely observed due to these two Asteroid’s shooting of ‘blue beams’ into our Earth’s upper atmosphere [photo 3rd left] that have been captured on video in Russia, New Zealand and by the International Space Station. [See videos here.]

This EMERCOM report further states that one of these ‘blue beams’ created a massive ‘vortex’ that opened over northern Germany this Friday past hurling nearly 100 vehicles into total chaos [photo 2nd left] killing 8 people and wounding over 41 more.

Even more alarming is this report stating that as these two massive Asteroid’s have moved closer to our Earth over the past two-decades, the winds on our planet have been mysteriously increasing too, a shock finding further confirmed by Vice-Chancellor Ian Young, of the Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne, Australia, who has found that our world has gotten stormier the past 20 years, winds have picked up around 5 percent on average, and extremely strong winds caused by storms have increased even faster, jumping 10%.

Equally alarming is this report stating that our Earth’s ozone layer has suffered a record loss this spring over the Arctic due to these ‘blue beams’ disrupting our planet’s magnetic shielding, a finding further confirmed by the World Meteorological Organization who report that observations from the ground, balloons and satellites show that this region has suffered an ozone column loss of about 40% from the beginning of the winter to late March...
Sorcha (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1469.htm)

[observer]

The earthquake part is real and confirmed.
The underground base at Hawthorne, NV is real according to John Lear.
The speculation by Lear (and others) that there is a subterranean submarine access to Walker Lake (just north of Hawthorne, NV) has been suggested by Lear and the Branton files.

See the earthquake evidence/discussion and John Lear documentation at this Avalon Thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18565-Cluster-of-earthquakes-in-Nevada-in-the-past-7-days&p=199928#post199928

As for the Sorcha Faal twist, and any evidence of a magnetic anomaly.... your guess is as good as mine.

My only comment would be, something very strange is going-on at Hawthorne, NV

[jackovesk]

According to this report, however, "Obama’s trip to the Area 51 base region was “ordered” by America’s top military commanders after a mysterious “object” erupted from under the NTTR and flew at an estimated Mach 6 speed towards Washington D.C. in the early hours of Thursday (April 14th) where it was met by fighter jets from Andrews Air Force Base.

I had to stop reading after this "Obama’s trip to the Area 51 base region was “ordered” by America’s top military commanders."

I knew it was'nt Legit, because the Secret Govt would Never let this Baffoon any where near the place!

[loveandgratitude]

REMEMBER OBAMA'S PROMISES -
Maybe you have forgotten, lets remind you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RWHiC7K3k&NR=1

Obama filmed lying

[GCS1103]

Great thread...I think the bottom line is that our politicians, no matter which side of the aisle they sit on, are pulled by the same strings. They are the mouthpieces of the guys behind the scenes- The Bilderbergers, Council on Foreign Relations, etc. They all share common goals- money and power for themselves. They trot out their puppets every four years to let us all believe that we have a say in what happens in our country. Since 1954, every one of our Presidents has surrounded himself with "advisors" and cabinet members drawn from the same groups. All of this information is easily accessible but we are too distracted by daily life and trivial matters masquerading as the "nightly news." I find it all so frustrating...

[str8thinker]

This is indeed a great thread, thanks Jackovesk.

I remember reading someone on the Internet saying that one of the signs that a leader is totally controlled by the PTB is that he/she "appears from nowhere" and is "swept to power" in an unusually short period of time, surprising everyone (or nearly everyone). I can't remember which whistleblower said this and would be grateful to anyone who can jog my memory. There were other signs, of course, beside this.

The most obvious example of this before Obama was Hitler, who also came from nowhere and lead Germany from corruption into the richest and most powerful nation in the world in just six years.


http://www.hermes-press.com/obama_hitler1.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g123/Callyn53/Political/ObamaSocialist.jpg

[Wookie]

Regardless of his past Obama is a criminal in the present IMHO. I can forgive, but i tend to learn my lessons and try to not let the same horrible things happen again and again.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[Lord Sidious]

This is indeed a great thread, thanks Jackovesk.

I remember reading someone on the Internet saying that one of the signs that a leader is totally controlled by the PTB is that he/she "appears from nowhere" and is "swept to power" in an unusually short period of time, surprising everyone (or nearly everyone). I can't remember which whistleblower said this and would be grateful to anyone who can jog my memory. There were other signs, of course, beside this.

The most obvious example of this before Obama was Hitler, who also came from nowhere and lead Germany from corruption into the richest and most powerful nation in the world in just six years.


http://www.hermes-press.com/obama_hitler1.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g123/Callyn53/Political/ObamaSocialist.jpg


Ignoring the fact that Hitler didn't come from nowhere.
He was active on the political scene from the time he got out of hospital at the end of the first world war in 1918.
His was a gradual rise in profile until being appointed chancellor by Paul von Hindenburg on 30th January 1933.

[ViralSpiral]

HI Jackovesk. Thank you for the Trump videos. After watching both, I conclude the following

Trump is their best marketing manager. The Obama witch-hunt is just another distraction
It matters not what the colour of the rosettes at their elections, its all just same same....

[jackovesk]

HI Jackovesk. Thank you for the Trump videos. After watching both, I conclude the following

Trump is their best marketing manager. The Obama witch-hunt is just another distraction
It matters not what the colour of the rosettes at their elections, its all just same same....

Maybe ViralSpiral I tend to agree,

Heres another 'Theory' for everyone to consider...

Trump maybe a 'FrontRunner' for Bloomberg?

The thing that I really can't get out of the back of my mind is in order to be as Rich as Trump, you 'Have to Play Ball' :warning2: with Globalist Elite PTB and for this very reason the Warning Flags of the 'Corporation of the United States' :usa2: continually pops up for me, together with the 'Fact' that Trump is very difficult to 'Get a Read On'?

I am forever 'Weary & Sceptical' about his 'True Agenda'!

[truthseekerdan]

Video: Donald Trump Blasts ABC News' George Stephanopoulos: Obama And His Minions' Have Co-Opted You; I'll Release My Tax Returns When Obama Releases His Birth Certificate - The Segment Aired 4/19/2011...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lD2NcW_zzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lD2NcW_zzQ

Donald Trump: I'll release my tax returns if President Obama shows his birth certificate

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/04/19/2011-04-19_donald_trump_ill_release_my_tax_returns_if_pres ident_obama_shows_his_birth_certi.html

[jackovesk]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LGsVo1iJL._SS500_.jpg

Drudge Report.com
Wednesday, April 20, 2011

The street date is a LONG month away, and author Jerome Corsi, the man who torpedoed John Kerry’s presidential dreams with SWIFT BOAT, has gone underground and is holding his new findings thisclose.

“It’s utterly devastating,” reveals a source close to the publisher. “Obama may learn things he didn’t even know about himself!”

Does Corsi definitively declare the location of Obama’s birth?

Will the president’s attorneys attempt to interfere with the book’s distribution? [The publisher vows to vigorously fight any legal action that may be taken.]

Will the book finally — once and for all — put an end to the growing controversy?

"When Donald Trump said he sent PIs to Hawaii to get to the bottom of all this, he meant this book," declares an insider.

Developing story...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm

PS - What would you like for your Last Meal at the White House Mr. Obama? Can I suggest some...

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=875504211371&id=052a24fa77be0a22027c9ed79d0721e9&url=http%3a%2f%2ffarm6.static.flickr.com%2f5171%2f5533229706_3ce70e2dc3.jpg

[Billy]

I am not sure if you have already seen this short video, But it may explain why location does not matter as long as the bloodline is cool, ( or cold ) :wink:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-SMlTd4lV8&feature=related

[Dorok]

Smells like HERRING to me...

[risveglio]

I am not sure what I believe on this issue but there is a new book coming out. "Potentially, I believe this book is the political endgame for Barack Obama."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=289649

[Siegfried The 7]

Maybe ViralSpiral I tend to agree,

Heres another 'Theory' for everyone to consider...

Trump maybe a 'FrontRunner' for Bloomberg?

The thing that I really can't get out of the back of my mind is in order to be as Rich as Trump, you 'Have to Play Ball' :warning2: with Globalist Elite PTB and for this very reason the Warning Flags of the 'Corporation of the United States' :usa2: continually pops up for me, together with the 'Fact' that Trump is very difficult to 'Get a Read On'?

I am forever 'Weary & Sceptical' about his 'True Agenda'!

I agree with this post.

I cant see how Trump could play with the "big boys" but then have the freedom to expose one or a few of them without having some type of "accident" or loosing a large portion of his wealth.

Sometimes I wonder if he was given the "job" to come in and make a big mess of the republican party with this birth issue, so they loose credibility and no one wants to hear much of what they have to say any more.

I have a seriously hard time believing that the United States is going to let anyone make a fool of our country(besides PTB) in front of the whole world by exposing our very own president UNLESS its part of some bigger plan.

If there is anything, I think it'll come out AFTER his presidency...as usual

I hope the next president we have gets the same scrutiny as this one otherwise I'll be forced to believe that many Americans are just as fake as the establishments we wish to defeat.



Be safe everyone. Live, love, and laugh.

[ktlight]

Ten supporters of accused whistleblower Pfc. Bradley Manning paid at least $5,000 to attend a fundraiser with President Barack Obama Thursday and interrupted his speech with a song protesting soldier's treatment.

Obama was speaking at a San Francisco hotel to a room of about 200 donors -- some of whom paid as much as $35,800 to attend the event -- "when a woman in a white suit stood up and said, Mr. President we wrote you a song," according to a White House pool report.

The president tried to convince her to wait, but she and her table ignored him, all ten of them breaking out into a song that protested Manning's detention in a "6x12 cell" for "23 hours a day." They sang, "We paid our dues, where's our change?"

As they began singing, a flustered Obama looked over at House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who introduced him, and she reportedly looked equally dumbfounded by what was happening. The woman in the white suit then removed her jacket to show that she was wearing a t-shirt that read "Free Bradley Manning" and had an image of him.

source
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/21/obama-heckled-at-fundraiser-by-bradley-manning-supporters/

[ktlight]

If Ronald Reagan was known as the actor who became a president, then perhaps Barack Obama should become known as the president who became an actor.

For every facial movement evinced, every gesture of the hand, every word enunciated by the 44th president turns out to be a complete charade.

This is the guy who ran for the presidency presenting himself before the US nation, hand on heart, as the candidate who would end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; end the killing of civilians in those countries; and the brutalizing of young American men. Two years on, Obama has donned the costume of US commander-in-chief with ever-frightening zeal. Far from ending the wars, Obama has not only ramped up America’s foreign wars of aggression, he has expanded them into new territories, including Pakistan, Libya and East Africa, adding countless more innocent lives to Washington’s global death toll.

source
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24468

[butcherman]

and to cap it all they are trying to promote Arnold shwartzenager the austrian as european president where will this all end .

[ktlight]

It was a shocking event in a twenty-two day assault filled with them: the Israeli military shelled a United Nations compound in Gaza City January 15, where humanitarian aid like fuel and water pumping stations were stationed as well as hundreds of Palestinians displaced by the Israeli bombardment. John Ging, the Gaza Director of Operations of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) described the scene on Democracy Now!

This morning, there were three rounds of white phosphorus which landed in our compound in Gaza. That set ablaze the main warehouse and the big workshop we have there for vehicles. At the time, there were 700, also, people displaced from the fighting. There were full fuel tankers there. The Israeli army have been given all the coordinates of all our facilities, including this one. They also knew that there were fuel tankers laden with fuel in the compound, and they would have known that there were hundreds of people who had taken refuge.

It was one of a number of incidents during "Operation Cast Lead" where the Israeli military attacked United Nations facilities. But the possibility of an further inquiry that would investigate violations of international law during these attacks was killed following intense U.S. lobbying, according to newly published State Department cables released by WikiLeaks and reported on by Foreign Policy's Colum Lynch. The efforts by the Obama administration to scuttle any investigation is similar to their efforts on the Goldstone report, and shows in detail how the U.S. uses its muscle in international forums to protect Israel.

source
http://uruknet.info/?p=m77094&hd=&size=1&l=e

[Lost Soul]

When he was campaigning, it reminded me of Hitler. Hypnotized masses chanting, "Yes we can" much like the Germans did when Hitler whipped the crowd into a frenzy. The controllers of the United States have done well in selecting him. I thought Dubya was bad and didn't think he could be trumped. Sadly he has been with the numerous stimulus bills and mini-bailouts, increased war activity and a fresh war to boot.

It flies in the face of logic, but some here at Avalon still cling to the belief that the puppet is a light worker. The emphasis is on light, not light as in enlightened. It would do us good if the puppet spent more time on the golf course and less time in the War Room.

[Dragonfly]

When he was campaigning, it reminded me of Hitler. Hypnotized masses chanting, "Yes we can" much like the Germans did when Hitler whipped the crowd into a frenzy. The controllers of the United States have done well in selecting him. I thought Dubya was bad and didn't think he could be trumped. Sadly he has been with the numerous stimulus bills and mini-bailouts, increased war activity and a fresh war to boot.

It flies in the face of logic, but some here at Avalon still cling to the belief that the puppet is a light worker. The emphasis is on light, not light as in enlightened. It would do us good if the puppet spent more time on the golf course and less time in the War Room.

Certain analogies are undeniable - eg. I'm referring to the following picture. This picture was shot in Berlin in front of the Siegessäule, which has a highly symbolical character:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UmsFTzsSC7o/SIynfSrMtqI/AAAAAAAABpo/XipwUTgiTxQ/s1600-h/Obama+Siegessäule.jpg

[woodshreder]

I usually don't pass on political messages through forums but when I recieved a copy of this song in an e-mail from a dear friend of mine who has been involved in the music industry for over three decades. I just had to share it with this forum
If you agree with the message pass it along.

This was the email I recieved ,

"Football Coach fired for making Anti-Obama song"

He'll make more money when this song becomes a big hit than he would
teaching school.

Tennessee middle school assistant football coach, age 26, fired for a song he
wrote and played!

When you go to the link for the song, there are a couple of sites that give the
news on the firing. This could be the next number one hit country song.
It's the best effort yet at encapsulating the outrage at the oversteps of this
government in an entertaining song.

Apparently, the guy was fired over the song because some parents
complained. If you like it, help it go "viral" by passing it along to
everyone you know.

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfH46DTAkxo


Website for free download and more info
www.HoldingAHammer.com

[9eagle9]

Yeah well when we elected Reagan an actor I think a pretty loud message went out that said "We don't need presidents anymore we just need actors to keep the drama rolling, keep the masses diverted and the REAL (shadow) Government can work unimpeded. "

So yeah its makes it hard to know when we had an actual president in office. If they were all just stage dressing......

[jackovesk]

White House Releases Obama Birth Certificate

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/04/27/0426-obama-bn-birth-certificate.jpg

The document shows Obama's mother was 18 at the time she gave birth ... and his father was 25.

Obama directed his office to release the certificate because the Commander In Chief didn't believe the distraction was good for the country.

Of course, the conspiracy theorists will probably ask the obvious questions ... what took so long???? Is this document legit ... or a fake???

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/27/white-house-barack-obama-birth-certificate-hawaii/

PS - Released 53 minutes ago by TMZ Staff.
........................................

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/04/28/1226045/922621-barack-obama.jpg
President Barack Obama gives a White House briefing after releasing his full birth certificate. Picture: AP

White House Releases Obama Birth Certificate; Fox News Says Case Closed

Kurt Nimmo
Prison Planet.com
April 27, 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTahOYKubg&feature=player_embedded

The White House has released a long-form birth certificate, saying the document is “proof positive” that Obama was born in Hawaii.

White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said today the decision was made to release the full document in response to increased attention on the issue, including a political stunt by Donald Trump, who claims he may challenge Obama in 2012 for the presidency.

Numerous researchers have questioned the place of Obama’s birth, including author Jerome Corsi and attorney Phil Berg. Pfeiffer said “internet chatter” had moved into the national political debate and ended up being discussed regularly on the corporate media. Prior to Trump’s challenge that he would produce his birth certificate, the corporate media assiduously ignored the issue.

Obama plans to discuss the release of the document Wednesday morning at the White House, according to Fox News.

The document lists Obama’s birthplace as Honolulu, Hawaii, and his birth date as Aug. 4, 1961. The hospital listed is Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital. The name on the birth certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.

Obama’s long form birth certificate -
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Correspondence with the Hawaii State Department of Health can be seen here http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf

http://www.prisonplanet.com/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate.html

PS - Obama Quote: "The only people that don't want to disclose the Truth, are people with someting to hide"! Then he Blinks...

Yeah, 2 years of suppression and $2million in legal costs to keep it locked up within the courts, together with whatever else your hiding Barry!

Where is the 'State Seal' that ALL birth certificates have???

Nice Try...Barry!

[jackovesk]

Trump: Obama Birth Certificate Needs Truth Test

Potential republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who's questioned President Barack Obama's birthplace, made comments Wednesday on the White House decision to release the president's long form birth certificate. (April 27)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6hsm81VXKY

[Martin]

I do not know that for certain, but shouldn't a birth certificate be stamped?

edit:
Where is the 'State Seal' that ALL birth certificates have???

Nice Try...Barry!

Exactly. Must have skipped me at the first read through.


MfG

Martin

[jackovesk]

I do not know that for certain, but shouldn't a birth certificate be stamped?

edit:
Where is the 'State Seal' that ALL birth certificates have???

Nice Try...Barry!

Exactly. Must have skipped me at the first read through.


MfG

Martin

Yes, I would be interested in what our American members have to say on this issue, especially those that live in Hawaii...

[fopa]

The only thing which seems strange to me, is the document itself does not look old. No creases at all, no withered corners. Although you could say that this document has been kept in an album where there is clearly some shaping around the left side of the document.

[Fred Steeves]

My wife is big into Ancestry.com and is accordingly pretty wellversed in birth certificates, I've already got it printed up and waiting for when she gets home.

Excellent point about the state seal jackovesk, it made me go look at my birth certificate. I was born in '66 and the state seal of Florida is right there, plain as a wart on the end of a nose. Hmmmm. I agree, nice try. I wonder though, if they can forge the certificate, why not the seal? Beside that, I can't wait to see the signatures investigated. The bizarre continues.

Cheers,
Fred S.

[Bob_2011]

I see he has a life path number of 11. and it says in my book he could have the gift of the gab..:blabla:

[Sarahmay]

Here we go 'round the mulberry bush--so early in the morning...

The PTB love to distract doubters and naysayers with issues that make absolutely no difference, to keep them off the track about the things that do. Don't take the bait, and set your sights higher.

[shadowstalker]

They only show part of the certificate, so who knows

[winnasboy]

Mother's age listed as 18 years old?
Statutory Rape in USA?

[Neal]

The second I opened up the pdf file, I realized it was a fake -- it's that obvious. The certificate part is actually a fuzzy layer onto the background and it matched perfectly. The typewritten letters are aliased and the signatures are of different resolutions. Despite it being "bound", the shaded edge is too straight and the opposite page lines up perfectly, which it shouldn't. The most glaring part of the forgery is the race of his father, it would not be listed as "African" (a PC moniker from the 1980's), but would have been "Kenyan" or "N*gro", which has been deemed offensive today, but was the classification in 1961.

There are more important issues however, such as the fact that his name is Barry Soetoro, he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro and became an Indonesian citizen by the action. Indonesia was not in agreement with the USA for dual citizen status until 2005, so he would have given up his natural born citizenship here in the USA once he was adopted. If this is true, his term as Senator was fraudulent as well as his current presidency.

Instead of focusing on this certificate, we need to instead realize that Barry Soetoro is a more tyrannical version of George W Bush and went against every single campaign promise he made, while escalating the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, backing the CIA-created Al Qaeda "Rebels" in Libya while just giving them $25 million in aid and is about to invade Syria as well...

For more information, see http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-is-right-there-are-more-important-issues-than-his-birth-certificate.html.

[DeBron]

Why do people keep calling him Soetoro? His mother remarried but that does not mean he took his step father's name. IMHO I feel that is just offensive.

One of my jobs is determining eligibility for people to receive Medicaid or Food assistance, and proof of citizenship is the main requirement. I have seen many and it looks fine.

You can always order another one, and sometimes the seal is just an impression which wouldn't show on a copy.

The truth of the matter is, if the President of the United States is not a citizen then there would be HUNDREDS of other people who would have to conspire to get him there. Staying along those lines, if you believe he is illigitimate then you would have to do away with alot more people than just him, and I see no outcries for the downfall of his comrades.

On a sidenote: Smile and kiss someone. It is good for you. It's great for me!!

[Lord Sidious]

Why do people keep calling him Soetoro? His mother remarried but that does not mean he took his step father's name. IMHO I feel that is just offensive.

One of my jobs is determining eligibility for people to receive Medicaid or Food assistance, and proof of citizenship is the main requirement. I have seen many and it looks fine.

You can always order another one, and sometimes the seal is just an impression which wouldn't show on a copy.

The truth of the matter is, if the President of the United States is not a citizen then there would be HUNDREDS of other people who would have to conspire to get him there. Staying along those lines, if you believe he is illigitimate then you would have to do away with alot more people than just him, and I see no outcries for the downfall of his comrades.

On a sidenote: Smile and kiss someone. It is good for you. It's great for me!!

There is evidence that he did indeed use that name when he was in indonesia.
And you are right, it would take many people to conspire, but that is the nature of politics.

[Lazlo]

Download the PDF from whitehouse.gov

Go to Document, then examine document

It will show cropped or deleted content

Conclusion, the PDF has been edited

I am not saying that this means that there isn't an original birth certificate, just that the PDF file has been altered

Make of it what you will

[DeBron]

Why do people keep calling him Soetoro? His mother remarried but that does not mean he took his step father's name. IMHO I feel that is just offensive.

One of my jobs is determining eligibility for people to receive Medicaid or Food assistance, and proof of citizenship is the main requirement. I have seen many and it looks fine.

You can always order another one, and sometimes the seal is just an impression which wouldn't show on a copy.

The truth of the matter is, if the President of the United States is not a citizen then there would be HUNDREDS of other people who would have to conspire to get him there. Staying along those lines, if you believe he is illigitimate then you would have to do away with alot more people than just him, and I see no outcries for the downfall of his comrades.

On a sidenote: Smile and kiss someone. It is good for you. It's great for me!!

There is evidence that he did indeed use that name when he was in indonesia.
And you are right, it would take many people to conspire, but that is the nature of politics.


Yes my emperor.

I always did think the dark side had more fun.

[Davidallany]

It's their court system. If they want Obama to be Iraqi, they can do it.

[Lord Sidious]

It's their court system. If they want Obama to be Iraqi, they can do it.

That is a part that most miss.
It is THEIR court system, with THEIR rules, THEIR laws, THEIR judges and people think they will beat them at their own game.

[Fred Steeves]

That's why it's called the "Criminal"- Just Us System.

Cheers,
Fred S.

[Ilie Pandia]

It is only my impression that Trump did a PR stunt to "clear the status of Barack Obama" and then move on the prepare for war with China?

I am 99% sure that Trump will consider the certificate legit and that will close the issue once and for all, and then "we can move on to oil and China"

[ThePythonicCow]

It is only my impression that ...
No - you're not the only one who thought that.

[Lettherebelight]

This would all be easily resolved if only we could ask his mother.
It would be very simple for her to come forward and make a statement one way or the other....
and that, my friends, would be the end of it.

Or the beginning of something else...

[Olam]

Looks like fresh ink to me!
Probably took a while to find the right typewriter and virgin certificate of the era to do it.....

[PHARAOH]

When will the drama end? :drama:

[T Smith]

Why do people keep calling him Soetoro? His mother remarried but that does not mean he took his step father's name. IMHO I feel that is just offensive.

Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro. In short, Barrack Obama went by the name Barry Soetoro as a child in Indonesia.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/ap_photo_of_bar_1.php

[seko]

forget about this Obama certificate, this is not the real issue today, look what other events are going on today. Bernanke of the federal (thieves) reserve are talking about the money and that they are screwed with the financial situation.

[daledo]

Page 231 contains the requirements for “Race and color.”

“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

There was NO classification for “African” (or African-American)

http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf

[Arpheus]

Lol they actually went through the trouble of forging a fake birth certificate talk about desperation omg!Now like many have said missing the seal of the state as his father listed as african i can hear the bells ringing hah!

[Lord Sidious]

So who is gonna make a complaint of attempted or actual fraud to the FBI?

[Arpheus]

So who is gonna make a complaint of attempted or actual fraud to the FBI?

Good one Lord!:biggrin:

[Unified Serenity]

This is all moot. The fact is President Obama has already admitted that his father was a Kenyan national which made him a dual citizen of Britain. A natural born citizen is one that both their parents are American Citizens and hold no other citizenship. It was a check and balance so that the President would not have an obvious flaw of conflict of interest should some situation arise with the birth country of their parent. Barack Obama is NOT eligible to be the President. He is not a natural born citizen. Either our constitution means something or it doesn't. To be President you have to be 35 yrs of age and a Natural Born Citizen. Not a naturalized citizen, not a dual citizen and not a citizen with a parent who is from another country.

Case closed, but who cares? Nothing will change. This issue of Natural born never depended upon wear BO was born really. He could have been born in the oval office. His father was Kenyan. His mother was also too young to transfer citizen status to B.O. as well, but that's just another legal issue, and of coarse, law does not matter.

[jackovesk]

So who is gonna make a complaint of attempted or actual fraud to the FBI?

Philip Berg & Webster Tarpley: Obama Birth Certificate "Raises As Many Questions As It Answers"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93UmFfiu0BY

Who knows? Lord Sid...

One thing I do know is that this 'Birth Certificate' will be scrutinised in every way shape & form...

The Whitehouse CANNOT now turn around and say "Sorry Folks - We submitted the wrong one!"

[T Smith]

Either our constitution means something or it doesn't. To be President you have to be 35 yrs of age and a Natural Born Citizen. Not a naturalized citizen, not a dual citizen and not a citizen with a parent who is from another country.

You have asked the right question, albeit one that already has a clear answer. This is a moot issue not because of Barack Obama's eligibility to be President, but because the constitution means nothing for all practical intents and purposes. The question of eligibility ultimately means nothing, save for fodder for the masses. The United States government has violated and ignored the constitution for years now; that this is the most blatant violation (really no grey area or room for interpretation) simply illustrates something most people refuse to accept. But here it is, folks: There is no law of the land. This shouldn't be too surprising to anyone. The constitution is and has been merely the pretext of law, at best, applied when it serves the interests of the cartel running things, followed when the consequences make no difference, but mostly just exploited as a useful mind-control prop to delude the serfs with a false paradigm of freedom and justice.

None are more hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.

[Wings]

There are some people now calling for Trump to apologise to Obama. I find this laughable, given that it has taken Obama approximately 3 years to make this document available to the public. (Whatever its authenticity, I make no comment about it).

That it has been provided only after a man of some standing in the business community made some noise about it, demonstrates the clear disparity that exists between the importance, relevance and power of the average man on the street in comparison to that of the elite. In so far as the govt. authorities are concerned, on this issue, the general public have been treated like mere minions who are never to question anything (even though it is they who have elected this man to serve them). Obama, in his press conference, said there were other issues to deal with that were far more important than his birth certificate - this may be so but how convenient an excuse so he could deliberately evade the point of the issue, and neither does he make an apology for 'his error'. If Trump hadn't barked about it, the ordinary man would still be asking to see proof of his long form birth certificate (and rightfully so)!

[the trojan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4&feature=channel_video_title
a short video on How this may be a fake document...very well presented.

[iceni tribe]

here is another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

and here's the one from ......the tojan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4&feature=channel_video_title

[pyrangello]

Yep and Obama's last comment of his press conference on this issue was 'his is all silly and I have better things to do". What exactly were those things that he went and did yesterday - He went to a fundraiser in Chicago and had to do a taping the Oprah show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That said it all about priorities!

Fire everyone in congress, vote independent as this system is broke, all of it!

[Anchor]

This is all moot. The fact is President Obama has already admitted that his father was a Kenyan national which made him a dual citizen of Britain. A natural born citizen is one that both their parents are American Citizens and hold no other citizenship. It was a check and balance so that the President would not have an obvious flaw of conflict of interest should some situation arise with the birth country of their parent. Barack Obama is NOT eligible to be the President. He is not a natural born citizen. Either our constitution means something or it doesn't. To be President you have to be 35 yrs of age and a Natural Born Citizen. Not a naturalized citizen, not a dual citizen and not a citizen with a parent who is from another country.

If it was as easy as this, the debate would not have gone on so long would it?


* Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874)"] In this case decided after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Court stated (pp. 167–68):

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

Whatever.

John..

[Ilie Pandia]

So I am watching the videos about the document being layered... and I think to myself.... "come on!... they could not have been that stupid and forget to flatten the thing".

So I download the document myself... and the layers are there!! If this is a forgery it must be the poorest job that one could ever do!

It's so badly done that I must accept at least the possibility that there must be something else going on here. I am very curious what will be the "official" explanation for those layers and the poor "copy-paste" job. And also the poor scanner resolution... I am sure they could have done a lot better!

So why they messed this up in such an obvious way... it's still a mystery.


PS: I still believe this "certificate thing" is just a distraction from more important events!

[Ilie Pandia]

Going back to original post I cannot determine the following:

- has the paper document document been released? or just that PDF that is a load of nonsense: obvious edit job, and not digitally signed in any way.


PS: I am now convinced of the following: That PDF document is not a "certificate" of anything. That PDF is a edited photo, of "something". That "something" may or may not be a certificate of birth. So at this time really nothing has been released. (Unless someone actually saw some paper!)

[Jean-Luc]

I just had the same idea and wanted to check these videos for myself and see whether there was any special trick.

So I too downloaded the original file, open Adobe Illustrator (I am no expert) and found out in no time how easily these layers could be shown. See for yourself : I just added this comment "truly amazing" on a new layer and just swiched off the ONE layer containing the text (or rather most of) except signatures (or rather some parts of), and then made this copy screen :

http://vigli.org/truly_amazing.jpg

Now either this is a stupid trap to get Obama down in some way or another.

Or -- bear with me -- people are now even more than ever before entitled to require these hundreds of videos of the Pentagon strike to be released :)

What a poor comedy !

[Humble Janitor]

*groan*

It's bad enough that ATS is awash in "birther mania" and now I see that it exists here as well.

*shrug*

[jackovesk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4&feature=channel_video_title
a short video on How this may be a fake document...very well presented.

:bump:.................................................. .................................................. ..........................:bump:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4&feature=channel_video_title

Good find the trojan,

I just checked the the official Pdf Document out on Adobe Professional and the layers show up there aswell and I can tell its definately FAKE!

Update...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk&feature=player_embedded

The Obama administration finally laid to rest all the rumors of the place of his birth with the release of his long form birth certificate. But closer inspection has prompted more questions than answers. For starters there are numerous layers. Some of the numerical characters look as if they were added after the fact by a printer rather than a typewriter. Alex Jones and Rob Dew demonstrate that the Obama team is keeping with the trend of being transparent as a brick wall.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/proof-obama-birth-certificate-fraud.html

What really gets me is that SLY-SMIRK he shares with the Bought & Paid for MSM Minions...

Don't worry Barry the Joke will ultimate end up On-You...! Make No Mistake about it!

http://thumb1.shutterstock.com/thumb_small/3508/3508,1281478556,2/stock-photo-atlanta-aug-controversial-socialist-joker-obama-stickers-can-still-be-found-in-the-streets-58822684.jpg

[Anchor]

It's so badly done that I must accept at least the possibility that there must be something else going on here. I am very curious what will be the "official" explanation for those layers and the poor "copy-paste" job. And also the poor scanner resolution... I am sure they could have done a lot better!

Even without the layers, that dark one on the end of the acceptance date looked dodgy.

The layers is just, well, embarrassing.

I can't wait to see what the MSM makes of this.

I think you are right - there must be something else going on here.

John..

[DevilPigeon]

.
.
There is evidence that he did indeed use that name when he was in indonesia.
And you are right, it would take many people to conspire, but that is the nature of politics.

As David Icke says: POLITICS = POLY-TICKS. POLY=Many, TICKS=Blood-sucking parasites :)

[jackovesk]

*groan*

It's bad enough that ATS is awash in "birther mania" and now I see that it exists here as well.

*shrug*

Humble Janitor,

The Simple reasoning behind this is because some people know the Obama Administration is Corrupt and Barry and his Puppetmasters and Minions are hiding something and this issue will never die...!

WHY?

Because a Man who has access to the 'NUCLEAR BUTTON' should be totally Transparent & Accountable to the public! Full Stop!

http://thumb1.shutterstock.com/thumb_small/304699/304699,1298529374,1/stock-photo-danger-help-button-on-a-white-background-71834716.jpg

They have the right to know everything about Obama who, with one 'Flick of a Switch' can change the lives of every single living thing on this planet forever!

I don't think thats too much to ask, do you?

[DevilPigeon]

-----

The layers are evident within CorelDraw X4 as well.

This is a distraction though, it has to be. Wonder what "event" is forthcoming....?

[Anchor]

My guess is that Obama asked for the document to be released, and then someone took the proper document, hacked it into this and then posted it so it would be discovered as a fake, thus undermining Obama's effort to put this issue behind him.

[Humble Janitor]

@jackovesk: I still maintain that "birthers" are people who are easily distracted from the more important issues in life (aka "sheeple").

This whole bc boondoggle is the work of people with serious mental issues.

[iceni tribe]

here's alex jones talking about the forgery


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk

[ktlight]

The Obama administration finally laid to rest all the rumors of the place of his birth with the release of his long form birth certificate. But closer inspection has prompted more questions than answers. For starters there are numerous layers. Some of the numerical characters look as if they were added after the fact by a printer rather than a typewriter. Alex Jones and Rob Dew demonstrate that the Obama team is keeping with the trend of being transparent as a brick wall.

AJ thinks it's a ploy to distract us from the wars etc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk

[Neal]

Who knows? Lord Sid...

One thing I do know is that this 'Birth Certificate' will be scrutinised in every way shape & form... [snip...]"

To be honest, this is probably exactly what the WH wants people to do and get stuck focusing one hand and instead should be watching what they are doing "over there" during this manufactured problem. It's the same type of crap that the people have been suckered into focusing on for hundreds of years to keep us stuck under their control. This "birth certificate crisis" will be used and abused by the government to slip through regulations that will hurt us in the end...

[bearcow]

Obamas true identity

http://startswithabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/brak-obama.jpg

[grannyfranny100]

Beside the layer problems,
• What about the number? Those born the next day have lower numbers
• Race designations back then was Negro not African
Moreover, Obama was officially adopted by his Indonesian stepfather and thus lost his American citizenship since no dual citizenship agreement existed between these two countries.

I believe the CIA, with all their practice, could have produced a better fake document. So why this amateurish birth certificate?

Perhaps Obama's usefulness is over and the PTB want him to be caught and impeached so the publics attention will be diverted from more of their nonsense.

[jackovesk]

Who knows? Lord Sid...

One thing I do know is that this 'Birth Certificate' will be scrutinised in every way shape & form... [snip...]"

To be honest, this is probably exactly what the WH wants people to do and get stuck focusing one hand and instead should be watching what they are doing "over there" during this manufactured problem. It's the same type of crap that the people have been suckered into focusing on for hundreds of years to keep us stuck under their control. This "birth certificate crisis" will be used and abused by the government to slip through regulations that will hurt us in the end...

Funniest thing is i_am_becoming,

I am Australian and probably know more about American Politics than the average American.

The Fact its the stupid little things that may finally Wake Up some of the dumbed down!

All because a Celebrity like Donald Trump started asking questions...

It may seem insignificant to You, but it might just be the Catalyst for some of your Countrymen to start paying attention!

...and start asking more questions of their Govt., not just the issue of Obama's Birth Certificate.

One can only hope...

[Jean-Luc]

To be honest, this is probably exactly what the WH wants people to do and get stuck focusing one hand and instead should be watching what they are doing "over there" during this manufactured problem. It's the same type of crap that the people have been suckered into focusing on for hundreds of years to keep us stuck under their control. This "birth certificate crisis" will be used and abused by the government to slip through regulations that will hurt us in the end...

Well, not exactly. This craziness just takes NO TIME to debunk, contrary to so many other lengthy endeavors’ (just think about 911): i.e. not much time to lose on this. It’s just there in plain view.
Here the liar (or the fooled one) is being caught with the hand in the bag. And he happens to be the President of the US. And the lye has been done yesterday and is revealed in no time. Not in 1, 2, or 10 years time.

It's a not a detail. The consequences are simply enormous.

Not so much about the fact that he or he is not the man in the right place, but this shows to billions that giga lies are being perpetrated.

I am much more thinking of Pandora box. And again, 911 comes to mind.

[Lord Sidious]

Who knows? Lord Sid...

One thing I do know is that this 'Birth Certificate' will be scrutinised in every way shape & form... [snip...]"

To be honest, this is probably exactly what the WH wants people to do and get stuck focusing one hand and instead should be watching what they are doing "over there" during this manufactured problem. It's the same type of crap that the people have been suckered into focusing on for hundreds of years to keep us stuck under their control. This "birth certificate crisis" will be used and abused by the government to slip through regulations that will hurt us in the end...

Yeah, the old bait and switch technique.
Nope, never seen that done before. :cool:

[An Cailleach]

The speech video:

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/president-obama-talks-about-birth-certificate-20110427-lgf

The Speech transcription:

THE PRESIDENT: Hello, everybody. Now, let me just comment, first of all, on the fact that I can’t get the networks to break in on all kinds of other discussions — (laughter.) I was just back there listening to Chuck — he was saying, it’s amazing that he’s not going to be talking about national security. I would not have the networks breaking in if I was talking about that, Chuck, and you know it.

Q Wrong channel. (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT: As many of you have been briefed, we provided additional information today about the site of my birth. Now, this issue has been going on for two, two and a half years now. I think it started during the campaign. And I have to say that over the last two and a half years I have watched with bemusement, I’ve been puzzled at the degree to which this thing just kept on going. We’ve had every official in Hawaii, Democrat and Republican, every news outlet that has investigated this, confirm that, yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital.

We’ve posted the certification that is given by the state of Hawaii on the Internet for everybody to see. People have provided affidavits that they, in fact, have seen this birth certificate. And yet this thing just keeps on going.

Now, normally I would not comment on something like this, because obviously there’s a lot of stuff swirling in the press on at any given day and I’ve got other things to do. But two weeks ago, when the Republican House had put forward a budget that will have huge consequences potentially to the country, and when I gave a speech about my budget and how I felt that we needed to invest in education and infrastructure and making sure that we had a strong safety net for our seniors even as we were closing the deficit, during that entire week the dominant news story wasn’t about these huge, monumental choices that we’re going to have to make as a nation. It was about my birth certificate. And that was true on most of the news outlets that were represented here.

And so I just want to make a larger point here. We’ve got some enormous challenges out there. There are a lot of folks out there who are still looking for work. Everybody is still suffering under high gas prices. We’re going to have to make a series of very difficult decisions about how we invest in our future but also get a hold of our deficit and our debt — how do we do that in a balanced way.

And this is going to generate huge and serious debates, important debates. And there are going to be some fierce disagreements — and that’s good. That’s how democracy is supposed to work. And I am confident that the American people and America’s political leaders can come together in a bipartisan way and solve these problems. We always have.

But we’re not going to be able to do it if we are distracted. We’re not going to be able to do it if we spend time vilifying each other. We’re not going to be able to do it if we just make stuff up and pretend that facts are not facts. We’re not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers.

We live in a serious time right now and we have the potential to deal with the issues that we confront in a way that will make our kids and our grandkids and our great grandkids proud. And I have every confidence that America in the 21st century is going to be able to come out on top just like we always have. But we’re going to have to get serious to do it.

I know that there’s going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest. But I’m speaking to the vast majority of the American people, as well as to the press. We do not have time for this kind of silliness. We’ve got better stuff to do. I’ve got better stuff to do. We’ve got big problems to solve. And I’m confident we can solve them, but we’re going to have to focus on them — not on this.

Thanks very much, everybody.

[applepie]

Is Obama's birth certificate forged? Here are some concerns raised about its validity. The name of the hospital and the name of the country of Obama's father. Looks this issue is going to blow up.

Birther Issues Continue
The release of the (pick your terms here) purported, alleged, so-called, yada, yada) birth certificate by the White House has turned into a major boner. I mean, this one puts Viagra to shame kind.

Here's a hint at why: The Smoking Gun's article is a good start "Will Release of Obama's Purported Birth Certificate Give Rise to New (birth) "Certer" Movement?"

Up until now, I had blown off most of the 'birther stuff' since Obama is the nominal president and ain't no removing him, since the PTB run the country away, despite representations contrary wise. We learned that with the Big Bank Free Money Festival on the Potomac.

But that was until a reader - we'll call him "Joe" - sent me this amazing email which includes (gasp!) source documentation on some serious inconsistencies:
"As you all know, Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama's birth certificate. As of yesterday, the White House released the birth certificate.

I will tell you right now that I had never given this "birther" issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.

I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes), I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.

First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could have Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate". But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.

The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:

Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can read about the 1978 merger here.

The discussion about the East Africa Protectorate is less decisive, however. Still, Keyna didn't gain independence until 1963, be preceded in independence by Tanganyika which became Tanzania, Uganda, and then Kenya. Whether it would have been referred to in Hawaii as the Kenya Colony of Great Britain, however is an interesting discussion, for sure.

Don't mean to throw gas on the debate here, but our reader makes some disturbing points. When coupled with the report on Death by 1,000 Papercuts that "Obama Birth Certificate: Adobe Illustrator Reveals Different Layers" well, things to be not look as sold... Still, we're just offering cites which is what research if for, after all. Might try firing up Illustrator if you have it and see if it auto-generates layers, though...

But the hospital merger? That one bothers me. Be interesting to see if other birth certs from that period show the same name, huh? I know a TV engineer out in the Islands who might know some folks up in the newsroom who could pull a few to check. Make an SDX or Pulitzer, I reckon. You on this? Email me the link to the story when it airs is all I ask...

And if it doesn't prove out, I'd be pleased to put this all to bed...again.

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

[Wings]

AJ thinks it's a ploy to distract us from the wars etc

It was Trump who asked for the birth certificate, so imo the distraction ploy argument is nonsense.
What I can't believe is that it has taken 3 years for 'the document' to be made public ... any wonder that it's being closely scrutinised now. They knew it would be - "I know that there’s going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest."