Barack Obama 2011

[East Sun]

Normally politics is kind of boring but we have to follow it, but this is something else. My ears went up when I heard this. If it is real I'm beginning to regain hope in the good ol' US of A. Maybe for the wrong reasons, but I should not think negatively all the time.
This is interesting. And about time. The times are surely changing..

[Lord Sidious]

I have heard many words that describe netanyahu, statesman is not one of them.
What nugget would call him that?

You just found a nugget who calls him a Statesman- me.

Ok, well no soup for you then.
Nugget.

And on the topic, I think this is setting the scenes along the lines of the vision I had.
This is setting it up for a war of annihilation.

[TWINCANS]

Agree, seemed to me that it was more like 'Hey you guys were supposed to start bombing Iran by now and you didn't so we're going to lean on you a bit. Now let's get that war going!'

[mosquito]

it isn't a joke, I see what is coming and that is why I have been pushing...

maybe I should just give up caring and let it run the course

with a little modification we can finish turning Florida into Israel to get them out of harms way...

Maybe a better idea would be to move Israel to Utah, where God's other "chosen peole" reside, then let them argue amongst themselves ......

[mosquito]

If you're able and willing, you can send your leaders universal energy that would help them avoid making rash decisions.

Whilst I respect what you say and think it's a lovely idea, the truth is that people have been sending them love for years, and the evidence before us tells us that it isn't working.

What's needed is non-violent action, or perhaps the best thing would be for a world-wide indefinite strike - see how long it takes for them to change then.

Or, another viewpoint, slightly more Zen/Daoist is that the stronger these forces become, the faster they sow the seeds of their own destruction.

[161803398]

gqH5ywTtKTA

[Lord Sidious]

gqH5ywTtKTA

You see? People of good intent can stop the madness.
This is the sort of thing I like to see, there is so much negative out there about this situation.
I appreciate you posting this.

[Gustav]

gqH5ywTtKTA

I have seen similar videos in the past. The first time I saw those I thought they were idiots because I was rather steadily asleep. Now i know better ;) thanks for posting hope.

[Teakai]

Now this would be the first time I see Obama go against the grain concerning Israel. Im sure he knows already that Israel will not back down. Why would he do this? It can't possibly be a death wish, so why is he doing this?
Israel will never ever give up what it has stolen, everyone knows this.

I noticed the story had a true/false rating up the top - maybe it's false???

[K626]

The answer to the connundrum is that Obama is sticking to the Saudi peace plan first mooted in 2002, which he endorsed in 2008. It is also a plan endorsed by the Arab league. Saudi I believe is the hidden hand behind this. Let's see how far O goes...

cheers

K

[ktlight]

FYI:


President Barack Obama is endorsing the Palestinians' demand for their future state to be based on the borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war, in a move that will likely infuriate Israel.

Israel says the borders of a Palestinian state have to be determined through negotiations.

In a speech outlining US policy in the Middle East and North Africa, Obama on Thursday sided with the Palestinians' opening position a day ahead of a visit to Washington by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is vehemently opposed to referring to the 1967 borders.

Until Thursday, the US position had been that the Palestinian goal of a state based on the 1967 borders, with agreed land swaps, should be reconciled with Israel's desire for a secure Jewish state through negotiations.


source
http://www.news24.com/World/News/Obama-endorses-Palestinian-demands-20110519

[ktlight]

FYI:


In what will come as a shock to the Tea Party and yet probably not rival the recent royal wedding in London for viewership, Republican Congressman Buck McKeon and Republican Senator John McCain plan to crown President Barack Obama King of America. They’re not kidding, and this is no stunt.

Here’s what noted Republican Abraham Lincoln once wrote on the subject:
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose — and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after you have given him so much as you propose. If, today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, 'I see no probability of the British invading us' but he will say to you 'be silent; I see it, if you don’t.' The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress, was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons: Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This, our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us.'

But what if you can create laws that violate the Constitution, and then obey those laws, the Constitution be damned? And what if being a Republican today means striving to expand presidential power as far as possible — in fact beyond the power ever held by any king? And what if being a Democrat today means the very same thing?

Then you get something like H.R.1540, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, and in particular Section 1034:
Congress affirms that–
(1) the United States is engaged in an armed conflict with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces and that those entities continue to pose a threat to the United States and its citizens, both domestically and abroad;
(2) the President has the authority to use all necessary and appropriate force during the current armed conflict with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note);
(3) the current armed conflict includes nations, organization, and persons who–
(A) are part of, or are substantially supporting, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or
(B) have engaged in hostilities or have directly supported hostilities in aid of a nation, organization, or person described in subparagraph (A); and
(4) the President’s authority pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority to detain belligerents, including persons described in paragraph (3), until the termination of hostilities.
Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after you have given him so much as you propose. This language would put into law the perilous policies now acted upon outside of the law.

source to continue
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/05/republicans-in-congress-to-crown-obama.html

[crosby]

i will not bow before him. and he can take his crown and stick it.
corson

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well I still see Merging 7 countries together as states into a Nation, one being Israel and the other Iran would be the best way to end the madness...

when Syria took my lands as part of their country, Syria became mine, when Israel took part of Syria...

need I say more...

[Some Bloke]

lol
by love I didn't mean support them but rather help them as a soul does another. we're in this together.

They don't have souls though, do they.

[ktlight]

FYI:


President Barack Obama vowed Sunday to "keep up pressure" on Tehran to prevent the Islamic republic from obtaining nuclear weapons, as he condemned its support for extremists in the region.

Outlining US and UN sanctions imposed on Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime, Obama said Iran is now "virtually cut off from large parts of the international financial system."

"We're going to keep up the pressure... So let me be absolutely clear -- we remain committed to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons," he added to roaring applause from the audience at the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC Policy Conference.

The United States, Russia, China, France, Britain and Germany have engaged in on-again, off-again talks with Iran aimed at halting its uranium enrichment program, which Washington fears masks a drive to produce a nuclear weapon. Iran denies the charges and claims its program is peaceful.


Obama also pointed to Iranian "hypocrisy" in "claiming to support the rights of protesters while treating its own people with brutality."

He said Iran was funding, arming and otherwise supporting violent extremists.

"So we will continue to work to prevent these actions, and we will stand up to groups like Hezbollah, who exercise political assassination and seek to impose their will through rockets and car bombs," said Obama.

Hezbollah, an Iranian-backed Shiite militant group in Lebanon, is blacklisted as a terrorist group by the United States.

The UN Security Council has adopted four sets of sanctions against Iran, the most recent in June last year, over its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment, the sensitive process that lies at the heart of Western concerns.

A panel of experts that monitors the sanctions said Iran was circumventing them but that its nuclear work had been impaired.


source
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/05/obama-vows-pressure-on-irans-nuclear.html

[norman]

Obama is making a big splash of his Irish ancestry! (?) today by visiting a little village in Ireland where it is claimed some of his ancestors lived.

So it looks like he's not only evading attention on his black birth issues but he's side stepping the black branch of his family completely in favour of pushing his white European roots.

Cor Blimey!, in Britain we don't start an election campaign until about 6 weeks before the new guy gets the key's to No 10 Downing Street.

EDIT:

morphology - OSAMA - OBAMA - O'Bama.....

[jackovesk]

Author says he is about to blow the whistle on who helped forge the long form birth certificate.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/may2011/230511top.jpg

Monday, May 23, 2011

As he prepares to release shocking new evidence and name the people who he claims were behind the forgery of Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate, author Jerome Corsi sensationally accused short-lived Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of “working with Obama” to neutralize the birther controversy.

Appearing on the Alex Jones Show, Corsi said that he now completely discounted the apparent efforts of Donald Trump to force the release of Obama’s birth certificate, stating, “I’m completely convinced at this point Donald Trump was subterfuge, that he…. was working with Obama.”
Corsi explained how he was in contact with Trump and that Trump requested several copies of his book before it was released.

Trump’s role according to Corsi was to “beat the drums big” and craft a false resolution to the controversy in order to make the press “go to sleep” and get his $60 million dollar television contract with NBC, owned by General Electric, which is closely allied with the Obama administration.

Regarding who actually helped the administration create the forgery, Corsi pointed out that “they were stuck with the guys who were close to them,” because putting out a proposal for outside experts to forge the document would have been far too risky.

“I’m pretty well on the trail of linking the characteristics of this document to someone who’s going to have a lot of explaining to do,” said Corsi, adding that he was “hot on the trail” of one individual who “may have had a hand in this,” and that his identity would be released this week.

“The forger is someone who does not work in government, he works in the media and is close to the administration and would have been within the circle of friends that may have been called on to do the forgery or participate in the forgery,” said Corsi.

Corsi said that the information contained in his book, Where’s the Birth Certificate?, and the new revelations he was about to unleash would mean the Obama administration “would not survive,” because the evidence proves the administration has tried to preserve itself using “criminal fraud”.

http://www.jeromecorsi.com/images/books/birth_thumb.jpg

“I got a call about three weeks before it was released from one of my sources in Hawaii and I was told that the new long form birth certificate had been forged, had been slipped into the log book,” said Corsi, noting that efforts to create the fake began shortly after reporter Mike Evans let slip that Hawaii Governor and close friend Neil Abercrombie had been shocked at his failure to find Obama’s long form birth certificate, and were timed to pre-empt the release of Corsi’s book.

During the interview, Corsi listed numerous examples of where the new birth certificate was clearly forged, including an obvious misspelling on the stamp and a “smiley face” that appears in the signature of the doctor once the document is blown up to 800 per cent, both of which don’t occur in the hundreds of other examples of the signature that Corsi has studied.

The letters in the document also share identical pixelations despite the fact that they are purportedly from a typewriter, which would produce different pixelations if transferred to an electronic document every time. The identical pixelations prove that the document was created on a modern computer.

Another aspect of the birth certificate pointing to forgery is the fact that the electronic PDF document released by the White House clearly shows evidence of ‘kerning’ – where parts of letters overlap each other for a pleasing visual effect – this is produced by modern computers and was not possible on 1960′s typewriters.

“The administration will not show the original, in 1961 there were no computers, where’s the original paper birth certificate if it exists?” asked Corsi, adding that the original document needs to undergo forensic analysis. Corsi visited the Hawaii Department of Health as well as the Kapi’olani Medical Center in an attempt to see the original certificate or patient records for Obama’s mother Ann Dunham, but was told that police would be called if he didn’t vacate the premises.

During an interview with a Denver radio station last week, Corsi said he was about to release bombshell evidence that proved the alleged Obama birth certificate released last month was a composite of three different birth certificates from other individuals born at the same hospital.

“I’m going to be telling the entire world about this scandal over the next few weeks,” Corsi said in a separate interview. “This is going to make Watergate look like a political sideshow by comparison.”

In an effort to derail the success of Corsi’s book, Esquire Magazine then put out a hoax article claiming that publisher Joseph Farah had ordered the book to be pulled from store shelves. Farah is considering whether to launch a lawsuit in response.

Watch Corsi’s full interview with Alex Jones below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BygadqqiFH8&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqvvqGqpkgE&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W9z_-eKOG0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.prisonplanet.com/corsi-trump-conspired-with-obama-to-neutralize-birther-controversy.html

PS - Ya Gotta Love this paragraph, says it all doesn't it! Especially about the $60 million dollar television contract renewal with GE..!



Trump’s role according to Corsi was to “beat the drums big” and craft a false resolution to the controversy in order to make the press “go to sleep” and get his $60 million dollar television contract with NBC, owned by General Electric, which is closely allied with the Obama administration.

[ViralSpiral]

General Electric ???

thats IT! I'm throwing out my vacuum cleaner!

What next?





p.s. thanks for posting

[Calz]

By focusing our energies on this matter, we can get obama impeached,

I really hate doin "politics".

Feel the need for a shower every damn time!! :bathbaby:

Oh well ... it is what it is.

What do you (or anyone ... not pickin on you humanalien :) ) expect to gain by impeaching obama???

Do we have any more control over who would replace him than we did when the elite selected who was "acceptable" (to them of course) to run???

In the remarkably rare case (as some would suggest with obama) that an "unchosen" one gains entry into the the "big puppet post" then it takes only a short debriefing session to spell it out making sure that said puppet's family, fortune and life itself is surrendered if it steps one step outside of the puppet master's demanding path.

:sorry: ... getting a bit cranky in my old age when dealing with this :bs:

There is (allegedly) 27 security levels ***ABOVE*** the prez.

I would hazard to guess that whatever changes that need to be made need to be made ***ABOVE*** those 27 levels somewhere.

Might take a "spacesuit" to get there??? :alien:

[Rocky_Shorz]

This should prove interesting.

The fact that the establishment is putting out fake reports in an effort to derail the popularity of the book is another indication about how scared the system is of this information getting to a wider audience. This is an obvious ploy to sabotage the book by fooling retailers and disrupting the supply chain.


http://www.infowars.com/birther-bombshell-corsi-to-release-evidence-proving-obama-certificate-a-fraudulent-composite/

too funny, the book was written before the 2nd was released now he is trying to turn it into a conspiracy to sell a book...

[Calz]

This should prove interesting.

The fact that the establishment is putting out fake reports in an effort to derail the popularity of the book is another indication about how scared the system is of this information getting to a wider audience. This is an obvious ploy to sabotage the book by fooling retailers and disrupting the supply chain.


http://www.infowars.com/birther-bombshell-corsi-to-release-evidence-proving-obama-certificate-a-fraudulent-composite/

too funny, the book was written before the 2nd was released now he is trying to turn it into a conspiracy to sell a book...

Corsi was talking about this issue many many months before the election ...

Takes a while to publish a book.

Not a big issue for me but feel it is "newsworthy".

[crosby]

thank you so much jack. this is really interesting. i'm wondering what will happen next. wow.
warmest, corson

[Rocky_Shorz]

except for the fact it is no longer an issue...

[oceanz]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general-electric-paid-federal-taxes-2010/story?id=13224558

http://a.abcnews.com/images/WN/gty_jeffrey_immelt_jp_110325_wg.jpg

The top tax bracket for U.S. corporations stands at 35 percent, one of the highest rates in the world. So how is it possible that a giant of American business, General Electric, paid nothing in federal taxes last year, even as it made billions in profit?

And should the CEO of GE, Jeffrey Immelt, be advising the president on business?

For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much.

"Simplify, eliminate loopholes, treat everybody fairly," Obama said in February.

For those unaccustomed to the loopholes and shelters of the corporate tax code, GE's success at avoiding taxes is nothing short of extraordinary. The company, led by Immelt, earned $14.2 billion in profits in 2010, but it paid not a penny in taxes because the bulk of those profits, some $9 billion, were offshore. In fact, GE got a $3.2 billion tax benefit.

Read more at above link.

[Snowbird]

I think that in order for Washington D.C. to cover up this story, the demolitionists will simply have to blow up the entire United States. This story will not go away.

I supported Barack Obama for the presidency of this country and I will now support his impeachment. There is no one in the Democratic party with the exception of Dennis Kucinich, who could possibly be voted in or be selected to replace Obama. They are all in on this massive coverup.

I have my copy of Corsi's new book.

It's out! The book that proves Obama's ineligible
Today's the day Corsi is unleashed to tell all about that 'birth certificate'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=299345

Amazon Customer Reviews - all 107 of them

http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Birth-Certificate-Eligible-President/product-reviews/1936488299/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1


Farah vows to sue Esquire, 'take ownership'
WND editor says he will aggressively pursue lawsuit for 'libelous smear'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=300761


BREAKING: Jerome Corsi's Birther Book Pulled from Shelves!
May 18, 2011 at 10:50AM by Mark Warren

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/jerome-corsi-birther-book-5765410

[Referee]

Thank you for these post's jackovesk and Snowbird. Their power to control information is unbelievable. Only a snip-it on MSM.

[kimmie]

Wow this is so interesting. Thank you for posting the jackovesk! I want this all to be exposed to the world and want this to open the eyes of the sleeping Americans.

[loveandgratitude]

FOR GENERAL INTEREST OF WHO OWNS WHAT - DONALD TRUMP'S SHOW IS WITH NBC - ON MAY 12th NBC Releases it session shows. On the list is DONALD TRUMP'S CELEBRITY SHOW THE APPRENTICE. Contracts were signed long before this release. What is wrong with this picture.??????

NBCUniversal Media, LLC (formerly known as NBC Universal, Inc.)[2][3] is a media and entertainment company engaged in the production and marketing of entertainment, news, and information products and services to a global customer base. The company owns and operates American television networks, numerous cable channels, and a group of local stations in the United States, as well as motion picture companies, several television production companies, and branded theme parks.

NBC Universal was formed in May 2004 by the merger of General Electric's NBC with Vivendi's Vivendi Universal Entertainment.[4][5] GE and US cable TV operator Comcast announced a buyout agreement for the company on December 3, 2009. Following regulatory approvals, the transaction completed on January 28, 2011. Comcast now owns 51% of NBC Universal while GE owns 49%.[5][6][7]

Originally, the NBC Universal logo was a combination of the NBC peacock logo and the Universal Studios globe and text. The logo was redesigned in January 2011 to reflect the new Comcast ownership.[8]

NBC Universal is headquartered in the Rockefeller Plaza in Midtown Manhattan, New York City.[9] The company is one of two successor companies to MCA Inc. (Music Corporation of America), the other being Vivendi through its subsidiary Universal Music Group.

[loveandgratitude]

WHAT ELSE DO THEY OWN

GE HELD an 80% stake in NBC Universal and Vivendi the other 20%, which it has agreed to sell to GE. GE and Comcast have agreed to form a new joint venture of NBC Universal businesses and Comcast media properties that will be 51% owned by Comcast and 49% owned by GE. Comcast will manage the new venture.

* Holdings
* Timeline

1878
Thomas Edison forms Edison Electric Light Company
1892
Edison General Electric Company merges with Thomson-Houston Electric Company to create General Electric Company
1897
Wireless Telegraph and Signal Company formed by Guglielmo Marconi
1901
Emile Berliner and Eldridge Johnson form the Victor Talking Machine Company
1906
David Sarnoff begins working at American Marconi
1917
U.S. Government begins using GE produced aircraft engines
1919
Radio Corporation of America (RCA) is created. RCA is formed after the U.S. Government gives control of the wireless industry back to the public sector following World War I. RCA gains the assets of American Marconi and becomes the controlling body of the patents belonging to General Electric, Westinghouse, United Fruit and AT&T
1926
National Broadcasting Corporation (NBC) formed. Sarnoff sees the potential of a nationwide network of radio stations and gets RCA, GE and Westinghouse to invest in the acquisition of WEAF in New York City and WJZ in Newark
NBC's "Red" and "Blue" networks respectively -as the flagship stations for the new NBC Radio network
1927
NBC Radio broadcasts the Rose Bowl to nationwide audience
1929
RCA purchases Victor Talking Machine Company of Camden, NJ for $154 million and begins manufacturing radios and phonographs
1932
Due to concerns of a growing monopoly, GE and Westinghouse sell off stake in RCA
1939
NBC introduces television broadcasting at the World's Fair in New York City
1941
Federal Communications Commission releases its Report on Chain Broadcasting. The report is critical of the growth of broadcast networks and proposes that NBC sell off one of its two networks
NBC Red & NBC Blue
1941
NBC receives first license for a commercial television station
1943
After losing court battles with the FCC over the demand to divest one off its networks, RCA sells of NBC Blue Network to Edward Noble, lifesavers candy creator. Network eventually becomes ABC
1954
NBC has first color telecast of Rose Bowl parade. Very few people actually see the telecast because there are not that many color sets in use
1966
RCA purchases Random House
1973
RCA purchases Ballantine Books
becomes part of Random House
1980
RCA sells of Random House to S. I. Newhouse's Advance Publications
1985
GE acquires NBC as part of a $6.3 billion for RCA
1986
- GE sells RCA's music division to Bertelsmann
1989
CNBC is formed
1996
MSNBC is launched. Cable news network is a joint partnership between GE and Microsoft
1997
CNBC Asia and Europe are formed.
1999
GE gains 32% stake in Paxson Communications and its PAX TV network
2002
Telemundo Communications Group is acquired for $2.7 billion in a deal with an investment group that includes Sony and Liberty Media. In a separate deal, Bravo Network is acquired from a deal with Cablevision and MGM for $1.25 billion
2003
Deal announced between GE and Vivendi Universal to create NBC Universal. In the deal, GE acquires Vivendi Universal's entertainment holdings which include theme parks and Universal Pictures' movie and television studios, and three cable channels (NYT 10/9/03)

Television
NBC Local Media Division
WMAQ (Chicago, IL)
KXAS (Dallas/Fort Worth, TX)
WVIT (Hartford, CT)
KNBC (Los Angeles,CA)
WTVJ (Miami, FL)
WNBC (New York, NY)
WCAU (Philadelphia, PA)
KNSD (San Diego, CA)
KNTV (San Jose, CA)
WRC (Washington D.C.)
Telemundo Stations
WNEU (Boston/Merrimack, MA)
WSNS (Chicago, IL)
KXTX (Dallas/Fort Worth, TX)
KMAS (Denver, CO)
KNSO (Fresno, CA)
KTMD (Houston, TX)
KBLR (Las Vegas, NV)
KVEA/KWHY (Los Angeles,CA)
WSCV (Miami, FL)
WNJU (New York, NY)
KTAZ (Phoenix, AZ)
WKAQ (Puerto Rico)
KVDA (San Antonio, TX)
KSTS (San Francisco/San Jose, CA)
KHRR (Tucson, AZ)
Independent Station
KWHY (Los Angeles, CA)
Networks and Other Television Properties
Bravo
Chiller
CNBC
MSNBC
NBC Entertainment
NBC News
NBC Sports & Olympics
Oxygen
Sleuth
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Universal HD
USA Network
Weather Channel
NBC Universal Media Studios
Universal Networks International
13th Street Universal
Diva Universal
KidsCo
Movies 24
Studio Universal
Syfy Universal
Universal Channel
Film
Universal Pictures
Focus Features and Focus Features International
Universal Studios Home Entertainment
Online Properties
iVillage
mun2
Theme Parks
Universal Parks & Resorts
Peacock Equity
Portfolio Investments include:
Bigpoint
Healthline
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GE Appliances
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GE Electrical Distribution
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GE Healthcare
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[ktlight]

FYI:


As he prepares to release shocking new evidence and name the people who he claims were behind the forgery of Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate, author Jerome Corsi sensationally accused short-lived Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of “working with Obama” to neutralize the birther controversy.
Appearing on the Alex Jones Show, Corsi said that he now completely discounted the apparent efforts of Donald Trump to force the release of Obama’s birth certificate, stating, “I’m completely convinced at this point Donald Trump was subterfuge, that he…. was working with Obama.”
Corsi explained how he was contacted directly by Trump, because Trump wanted to know what was going on behind the scenes, and that he requested several copies of Corsi’s book before it was released.
Trump’s role according to Corsi was to “beat the drums big” and craft a false resolution to the controversy in order to make the press “go to sleep” and get his $60 million dollar television contract with NBC, owned by General Electric, which is closely allied with the Obama administration.
Regarding who actually helped the administration create the forgery, Corsi pointed out that “they were stuck with the guys who were close to them,” because putting out a proposal for outside experts to forge the document would have been far too risky.
“I’m pretty well on the trail of linking the characteristics of this document to someone who’s going to have a lot of explaining to do,” said Corsi, adding that he was “hot on the trail” of one individual who “may have had a hand in this,” and that his identity would be released this week.
“The forger is someone who does not work in government, he works in the media and is close to the administration and would have been within the circle of friends that may have been called on to do the forgery or participate in the forgery,” said Corsi.
Corsi said that the information contained in his book, Where’s the Birth Certificate?, and the new revelations he was about to unleash would mean the Obama administration “would not survive,” because the evidence proves the administration has tried to preserve itself using “criminal fraud”.
“I got a call about three weeks before it was released from one of my sources in Hawaii and I was told that the new long form birth certificate had been forged, had been slipped into the log book,” said Corsi, noting that efforts to create the fake began shortly after reporter Mike Evans let slip that Hawaii Governor and close friend Neil Abercrombie had been shocked at his failure to find Obama’s long form birth certificate, and were timed to pre-empt the release of Corsi’s book.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BygadqqiFH8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqvvqGqpkgE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W9z_-eKOG0

source
http://www.prisonplanet.com/corsi-trump-conspired-with-obama-to-neutralize-birther-controversy.html

[oceanz]

US President Obama was embarrassed on his recent trip to Ireland when his heavily armoured Cadillac, affectionately nicknamed ‘The Beast,’ got jammed on a ramp as it was exiting the US embassy. It took several minutes for agents to finally free the 8-tonne vehicle that can normally withstand all sorts of attacks (except ramps of course).

http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/video/?videoid=9c81a18b-3da3-4f07-acd1-93d8d3b06a8c&tab=2

http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/video/?videoid=9c81a18b-3da3-4f07-acd1-93d8d3b06a8c&tab=2

Stumped by a bump.

[Humble Janitor]

Do you by any chance, post over at Above Top Secret?

And as long as Corsi has books to sell, he'll damn well write anything he wants to make money.

[firstlook]

I just want to say I dont care where someone is from. Obviously he does things that still support the the dying patriarchy. But as outdated as much of his policy and choices are, I think that the guidelines for becoming president are just as well silly. But then The whole government structure is not good enough anymore as well. It just feels like a waste of energy trying to use an outdated system to correct the system. Not saying we shouldn't know the truth, but I guess it goes back to how much power we give authority by playing by their rules. It just feels like grasping at straws.

Just my thoughts. Still an interesting story, thanks for posting. :)

[toothpick]

Great thread jackovesk.
Man, if you thought watergate was a show, just wait untill you see this one.
Obarrygate.

toothpick

[jackovesk]

Edited: post removed

Thankyou Humble Janitor,

I am starting to enjoy your negative innate and bizarre commentary it reminds me of this clip...

This one's especially for you...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6E2MORwOG0

[ktlight]

Do you by any chance, post over at Above Top Secret?

And as long as Corsi has books to sell, he'll damn well write anything he wants to make money.

I have to presume that above top secret is a forum???!!! Never have posted there. I just like Alex Jones.

[jackovesk]

During 2008 campaign, “truth squads” threatened jail time for anyone who told “lies” about Obama.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/may2011/240511top.jpg

Tuesday, May 24, 2011

In a bid to ‘squash negative stories’ about Barack Obama that appear on the Internet, the White House has hired a dedicated propagandist whose role will be to savage people who tell “lies” about the President, in a chilling reminder of how prosecutors threatened people with jail time during the 2008 campaign if they criticized Obama.

“The Obama administration has created and staffed a new position tucked inside their communications shop for helping coordinate rapid response to unfavorable stories and fostering and improving relations with the progressive online community,” reports the Huffington Post.

The man tasked with the role of “disseminating push back” against Obama’s online critics by direct order of the White House will be Jesse Lee, a blogger who has previously put out White House spin in response to claims made by Glenn Beck.

“The post is a new one for this White House. Rapid response has been the purview of the Democratic National Committee (and will continue to be). Lee’s hire, however, suggests that a portion of it will now be handled from within the administration. It also signals that the White House will be adopting a more aggressive engagement in the online world in the months ahead.”

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/may2011/240511top2.jpg

Lee’s first Tweet as an official mouthpiece for White House propaganda and the Obama administration’s move to launch an “aggressive defense of the president and his policies” gives us some indication of what we can expect – the post includes a picture of the Terminator robot.

“If you’re going to post something online about Obama that isn’t true, Lee is going to be the one to handle you,” reports Chris O’Shea, noting that the move is about “squashing any negative stories” that could derail Obama’s re-election bid.

Lee obviously sees himself taking the role of ‘Terminator’ in destroying ‘conspiracies’ and ‘disinformation’ about the Obama 2012 campaign, similar to how Obama-supporting prosecutors and sheriffs in Missouri threatened people with jail time for telling “lies” about Obama during the 2008 campaign. News agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio were also sent threatening letters demanding they stop airing ads exposing Obama’s anti-gun stance.

This has nothing to do with circulating “lies” about Obama, this is about intimidating, silencing and smearing anyone who dares tell the truth about Obama’s record or his highly dubious personal history.

As we documented in 2008, the Obama campaign’s effort to target “lies” about the president’s record was actually a transparent bid to keep his extreme anti-second amendment record under the radar as the election neared.

Not only was he on record as opposing handgun rights in Washington DC, Obama served on the board of the Joyce Foundation, probably the largest private funder of anti-gun and pro-ban groups and research in the country. In addition, Obama voted for a bill that would “expand the definition of armor piercing ammunition” and “support[ed] banning the sale of ammunition for assault weapons,” including 223 and .308 caliber bullets, the most common rifle ammunition. He supported the Illinois Firearms Owners Identification (FOID) Card, mandatory for residents when they buy any firearm in the state.

Obama’s record was clearly anti-second amendment to the hilt, but to communicate this fact to the public was characterized as “lying about the campaign” by Obama’s enforcers, and was met with threats and intimidation.

Expect the same thing to happen for 2012 – verifiable facts about Obama’s voting record and his stance on key issues, as well as documented examples of his deception on a myriad of different topics, will be targeted for ‘termination’ by Obama’s team of online attack dogs led by Jesse Lee.

And all this from the same administration that wants to give Obama a figurative ‘kill switch’ for the Internet that would hand the President Communist Chinese-style powers to shut down parts of the Internet for “security reasons,” in other words to silence and censor legitimate political opposition to Obama’s big government agenda.

Of course, this is all straight out of Cass Sunstein’s blueprint for hijacking and censoring the Internet by government regulation. Sunstein, Obama’s White House information czar, wrote a series of papers before the 2008 election in which he advocated banning or taxing “conspiracy theories,” including skepticism about man-made global warming, in addition to mandating by law that websites link to opposing information or that pop ups containing government propaganda be forcibly included on political blogs.

Obama supporter Bill Clinton, not known for his honesty, also recently advocated the creation of an Internet ministry of truth to address “misinformation and rumors floating on the Internet.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/white-house-hires-terminator-to-squash-negative-stories-about-obama.html

PS - No Lies here Barry Soetoro! We just EXPOSE the TRUTH about all of Yours..!

PSS - Hey Jesse Lee, your job would be a Hell of a lot Easier if your Boss didn't "LIE" so much!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKnVr3I9q8

[stegosaur]

Is this the official announcement that the 1st amendment is dead in America?

[Fred Steeves]

Things like this are getting to be fairly amusing to me at times. The more afraid someone is, the more security measures he will put in place. Jackovesk, at the higher levels of this grand chess game being played on us, they fear us being able to do things just like your avatar suggests. I don't envy the position they've put themselves in.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[jackovesk]

Tuesday, May 24, 2011

Jerome Corsi has told a Cincinnati radio station that he is preparing to file criminal charges against the White House for producing a fraudulent birth certificate, as the controversial author of Where’s the Birth Certificate? closes in on the people within Obama’s inner circle he claims were behind the hoax.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uulT2VX6J50&feature=player_embedded

“We believe the birth records released by Barack Obama on April 27th, the so called long form birth certificate, is fraudulent,” Corsi told radio host Bill Cunningham.

“I’m working on filing criminal charges on the White House, I think there will be criminal charges filed very soon for having fraudulently produced a birth certificate,” said Corsi, adding that he would seek an FBI investigation.

Corsi re-affirmed the fact that he was close to identifying the individual who played a key role in forging the birth certificate, as well as the source document which the White House used to create the composite fake.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/corsi-to-file-criminal-charges-against-white-house-over-obama-birth-certificate.html

[truthseekerdan]

Can one call Trump, The False Prophet? :lie:

[crosby]

now this is gonna get real interesting. agree?
regards, corson

[jackovesk]

now this is gonna get real interesting. agree?
regards, corson

I Agree corson,

No matter how you Slice-It Obama is...

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=810414317149&id=3b953e04ca4ba508660fd5004a5e8c49&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.thetruthaboutmortgage.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2008%2f09%2fbearstearns.jpg

[crosby]

it just keeps getting better. you just never know what's gonna happen next. i'm excited about all the suspense.
regards, corson

[firstlook]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

[New Dawn]

Heh, good to see the truth coming to light!

[crosby]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

the first thing i see, if proven to be true and correct is no re-selection........ i'm sure that if he indeed was not born in this country or on u.s. soil elsewhere, his presidency will be considered moot. every law that has been passed will have to be rescinded. this is quite the stretch though. i find myself wondering just how far Corsi will get. he will need a lot of backing and protection. what's your view Jack?
regards, corson

[Rocky_Shorz]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

absolutely none, just a few spin doctors trying to squeeze the public for money, it has nothing to do with truth...

[Dorok]

Bill Cunningham's show is a bit of a joke (I know, he lives in my town.). He was the king of the conservative AM radio pundits before Limbaugh and the others. He's nothing but a ratings whore; if he actually believed Corsi had a legitimate case, he (or his wife - the are both lawyers - or someone they know) would represent him in a lawsuit in a heartbeat just for the press.

This is nothing but talk. Time to put up or shut up, Corsi!

[sandy]

I would bet that Corsi will be made into toast before Obama over this ensuing event, any takers??:)

[jackovesk]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

DOUBT..!

By Crikey it might even prompt some to question Obama's Eligibility?

This Story Aint goin away and for those of you who live States, this maybe the very Issue that helps you get your Country back from the NWO Globalist Banksters!

[firstlook]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

DOUBT..!

By Crikey it might even prompt some to question Obama's Eligibility?

This Story Aint goin away and for those of you who live States, this maybe the very Issue that helps you get your Country back from the NWO Globalist Banksters!

I appreciate the enthusiasm. I just dont understand how exactly this would start a domino effect of corruption getting exposed through out the many areas and especially the banking system. Could you explain more how you see things unfolding if Obama is impeached?

Thanks. :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

well this says it all...


Obama trumps book on birth certificate
By Stephen Lowman

Last week, Jerome Corsi’s “Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to be President ” reached the top of Amazon’s best-seller list — and it doesn’t publish until May 17.

Today the White House answered the question in the book’s title by making public President Obama’s long-form birth certificate. In light of the release, what happens to Corsi’s book?

WorldNetDaily, a conservative Web site based in Washington, D.C., is releasing Corsi’s book through its publishing imprint, WND Books. In an interview with The Washington Post, publisher Joseph Farah said that he “fully expected this to happen” and takes credit for Obama releasing his birth certificate. “I’m delighted! I’m triumphant!”... link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/political-bookworm/post/obama-trumps-book-on-birth-certificate/2011/04/27/AFKxYwyE_blog.html)

I wonder if he is going to sue Trump next for forcing the issue before the book was released...

[jackovesk]

Bill Cunningham's show is a bit of a joke (I know, he lives in my town.). He was the king of the conservative AM radio pundits before Limbaugh and the others. He's nothing but a ratings whore; if he actually believed Corsi had a legitimate case, he (or his wife - the are both lawyers - or someone they know) would represent him in a lawsuit in a heartbeat just for the press.

This is nothing but talk. Time to put up or shut up, Corsi!

I think he's put up a Fair Bit already don't you think?

Making in your eyes such 'Wild & Outlandish' statements that your 'President' is a Phony/Fraud..!

I'd say those are the type of comments if Corsi had No Case would land him in Court of Law for SLANDER so fast he wouldn't know what hit him, don't you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKnVr3I9q8

[jackovesk]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

DOUBT..!

By Crikey it might even prompt some to question Obama's Eligibility?

This Story Aint goin away and for those of you who live States, this maybe the very Issue that helps you get your Country back from the NWO Globalist Banksters!

I appreciate the enthusiasm. I just dont understand how exactly this would start a domino effect of corruption getting exposed through out the many areas and especially the banking system. Could you explain more how you see things unfolding if Obama is impeached?

Thanks. :)

Because this has been Played Out 'All Around The World', together with the 'Osama' Lies he is the laughing stock of even some MSM Journalists.

You just can't tell Lie after Lie after Lie and expect to get away with it!

And if the American people were smart they would virally communicate the same, before you have no Freedom of Speech left!

[firstlook]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

DOUBT..!

By Crikey it might even prompt some to question Obama's Eligibility?

This Story Aint goin away and for those of you who live States, this maybe the very Issue that helps you get your Country back from the NWO Globalist Banksters!

I appreciate the enthusiasm. I just dont understand how exactly this would start a domino effect of corruption getting exposed through out the many areas and especially the banking system. Could you explain more how you see things unfolding if Obama is impeached?

Thanks. :)

Because this has been Played Out 'All Around The World', together with the 'Osama' Lies he is the laughing stock of even some MSM Journalists.

You just can't tell Lie after Lie after Lie and expect to get away with it!

And if the American people were smart they would virally communicate the same, before you have no Freedom of Speech left!

I understand this part. What I dont understand is the political process and how this would change our involvement in the middle east, economic collapse, and the over all mission of the military industrial complex? For example what would happen after obama is impeached?

:confused:

[Dorok]

Bill Cunningham's show is a bit of a joke (I know, he lives in my town.). He was the king of the conservative AM radio pundits before Limbaugh and the others. He's nothing but a ratings whore; if he actually believed Corsi had a legitimate case, he (or his wife - the are both lawyers - or someone they know) would represent him in a lawsuit in a heartbeat just for the press.

This is nothing but talk. Time to put up or shut up, Corsi!

I think he's put up a Fair Bit already don't you think?

Making in your eyes such 'Wild & Outlandish' statements that your 'President' is a Phony/Fraud..!

I'd say those are the type of comments if Corsi had No Case would land him in Court of Law for SLANDER so fast he wouldn't know what hit him, don't you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKnVr3I9q8

Obviously, I don't think he's put up enough. I think he's talked a lot, but as far as anything concrete or actionable, no...

Facts are facts, and the truth will out. But not by shameless self-promoting pundits with no actual proof shouting on as many media shows as possible. Maybe you should try not to take criticisms against what you post personally. You didn't write it, so maybe people here aren't actually criticizing you.

So, I still stand by put up or shut up [Mod Edit: (because it was directed at Corsi, not you)]

[ktlight]

Yesterday, in his speech in Dublin, Eire, Obama dismissed his birth certificate in a joke. I hope it's in the segment I have downloaded.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7p3pkU_L48

[Snowbird]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

Well, its like this, there have been extensive and detailed investigations done by extremely credible people into the subject of 9/11. Those who have studied this horrendous tragedy, know much of the who and the how. Hundreds of books have been written on this subject and hundreds more videos have been made. People have openly debated this issue and still......there has been no real investigation.

Dr. Jerome Corsi has written an extensively detailed investigation into Obama and his background...his Real background. Thousands within the political arena have helped to cover up the truth for a very long time. Where was the vetting process before Obama became president? How in hell did this man become the President of the United States when he was born in Africa? All of this and much much more about Obama, has been covered over....by the many.

Our political arena is grossly tainted. This might, just might, help to fumigate. Time will tell.

[firstlook]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?

Well, its like this, there have been extensive and detailed investigations done by extremely credible people into the subject of 9/11. Those who have studied this horrendous tragedy, know much of the who and the how. Hundreds of books have been written on this subject and hundreds more videos have been made. People have openly debated this issue and still......there has been no real investigation.

Dr. Jerome Corsi has written an extensively detailed investigation into Obama and his background...his Real background. Thousands within the political arena have helped to cover up the truth for a very long time. Where was the vetting process before Obama became president? How in hell did this man become the President of the United States when he was born in Africa? All of this and much much more about Obama, has been covered over....by the many.

Our political arena is grossly tainted. This might, just might, help to fumigate. Time will tell.

I feel like I'm not putting my words more clearly, my fault. HOW will this help fumigate? I mean there is alot of avoidance on the question of what happens if Obama is impeached. I'm not trying to put down anyones search for the truth, its just I dont see how this impeachment does anything but question those who are in authority. Which is always a good thing. But there seems to be no real explanation of what it would actually mean in terms of change and policy. Maybe I keep overlooking certain aspects. IDK

Thanks for replying. :)

[Dorok]

I'm 99% sure this issue is watching the hand the magician wants you to see. As firstlook is pointing out, nothing would fundamentally change either way; however, what is created is powerful - a huge attention sucker that allows everyone to project their worst feelings about TPTB (things out of your personal control) onto a fake issue in order to create division and smokescreen that can be exploited to further other agendas.

Anyone see that the Patriot Act was just renewed without the barest of mentions in the media? Thanks Corsi & Trump! You may now retreat until will need you again...

[Rocky_Shorz]

major major loss to the Republicans tonight...

this seat has only been Democratic 3 times in 200 years...

yep Corsi, keep everyone spinning... :wacko:

it's working... lol

ps, did you know Gaddafi hates lol? :target:

[Calz]

Already been to the supreme court 3 times and they turned up their noses. :yawn: :sleep: :yawn:

This time there is more evidence of a cover up ... as opposed to simply ignoring the subject to begin with.

If criminal charges are, indeed, filed ... and not thrown out as with what happened with the supreme court ... then it will get strung out in the legal system long enough to easily cover O's 1st term. It may have an effect on the next election.

If impeached ... it would lead to another circus like public spectacle much like Clinton's.

[ponda]

The thing is 'they' own the system.They are the system.As the late comedian George Carlin said: "They don't investigate themselves"

[Tangri]

So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?
Castro told it long time ago they are going to assassinate him. But they are not using bullet this time.

[jackovesk]

Bill Cunningham's show is a bit of a joke (I know, he lives in my town.). He was the king of the conservative AM radio pundits before Limbaugh and the others. He's nothing but a ratings whore; if he actually believed Corsi had a legitimate case, he (or his wife - the are both lawyers - or someone they know) would represent him in a lawsuit in a heartbeat just for the press.

This is nothing but talk. Time to put up or shut up, Corsi!

I think he's put up a Fair Bit already don't you think?

Making in your eyes such 'Wild & Outlandish' statements that your 'President' is a Phony/Fraud..!

I'd say those are the type of comments if Corsi had No Case would land him in Court of Law for SLANDER so fast he wouldn't know what hit him, don't you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKnVr3I9q8

Obviously, I don't think he's put up enough. I think he's talked a lot, but as far as anything concrete or actionable, no...

Facts are facts, and the truth will out. But not by shameless self-promoting pundits with no actual proof shouting on as many media shows as possible. Maybe you should try not to take criticisms against what you post personally. You didn't write it, so maybe people here aren't actually criticizing you.

So, I still stand by put up or shut up [Mod Edit: (because it was directed at Corsi, not you)]

Thanks Dorok,

I read every word of your last post (above) and will take that information on board...

I just hate to see how this World is being Manipulated & Destroyed by Nothing More than a 'Bunch of Criminals'!

So at times I passionately express my opinion out of pure frustration of seeing it all unfold right before our very eyes, yet no-one is doing anything about it except those like Jerome Corsi, Webster Tarpeley, Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser, etc...who I believe only want whats best for America and the World for that matter.

One thing that comes across in some of your posts is your defence of (Obama), can you once and for all share your position on His Presidency, His Decisions to date, His Flip-Flops & Choice of Administration?

Its hard to debate you if I don't know your position, you undoubtedly know mine.

If its a debate on fact, I am more than willing to participate as you stated above "Facts are facts, and the truth will out."

If I sound off, its because I think you feel he (Obama) is doing a good job and everything is just hunky-dory?

[Humble Janitor]

Do you by any chance, post over at Above Top Secret?

And as long as Corsi has books to sell, he'll damn well write anything he wants to make money.

I have to presume that above top secret is a forum???!!! Never have posted there. I just like Alex Jones.

Yes it is a forum but it is full of garbage like that you linked to.

Alex Jones and birthers both spend too much damn time on this topic. It's almost as if there is nothing else out there that matters. If the world ended tomorrow and the birthers survived, they'd be arguing about Obama's death certificate instead.

[thunder24]

Sometimes passionate emotion causes us to make irrational statements or say things that come out the wrong way. Emotions are also blinding.

I think the persoanality of Obama in public is more appealing to the public then the past President. This isn't an idealogical world ( for me at least), so its like takeing the lesser evil, I sure didn't wanna see MCcain in there as leader of the "free world". When the public is only given two puppets to chose from then this is what you get, lesser of the evils, in appearance.

Yes there are agendas being driven, yes there is wheeling and dealing behind the scenes. I personally believe this will happen with every election even the next. And if barak wasn't "selected" again, we would be having a similar conversation as before. Maybe a foxhole moment for one of these presidents will cause a conversation of their thinking and rationale, but don't expect it anytime soon.

Even if Ron Paul were to become president, dirt will be dug up, S@#@ will be slung. How are any of us able to see the truth unless we get into the minds of the men and read their souls intent. Not trying to get anyone to quit discussing these things, just throwing another perspective out there.

The birther issue is a mute point, cause he's still our president till the end of the term. If the mud slinging gets started around election time, i don't think it will make a difference, cause other than Rep. Paul, there is no one out there that has a prayers chance on beating Barak without some voteing manipulation.

I don't wanna see this happen, but I do not think we will have another election if things continue going as they have the past two years. Way to much going on across the entire globe. guess we will have to wait and see.
:sorry:
peace

[ktlight]

President Obama speaking at AIPAC 2011 called America's support of Israel "ironclad." In light of his recent statement that 1967 borders have to be a starting point for Israeli-Palestinian negotiations which angered many in Israel, does President Obama face losing the support of a powerful Israeli lobby in the US? Daniel Pollak of the Zionist Organization of America and political scientist Norman Finkelstein debate this and the possible path for peace in the Middle East.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6PoM4d4Ik

[ktlight]

FYI:


The outspoken scholar and Princeton University professor Cornel West has been viciously attacked by many on the political left, especially supporters of President Obama. Why? Because he had the courage to call Obama a “black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.” For more of West’s views see this article.

Most of the attention has been on the use of the word “black,” as if the black Cornel West had made a racist comment. In fact, West got it right because he and some other true progressives have condemned Obama for not being an authentic progressive. Right again, Obama has never shown himself to be a true leftist progressive, even though many on the conservative right may think he is one. West thinks Obama “has no backbone.”

It is not that Obama is not black enough, as some think West was saying. It is about the dishonesty, deceit and corruptness of Obama.

What everyone should be praising West for is that he correctly made the point that Wall Street oligarchs and corporate plutocrats have stolen the US government by using vast sums of money to corrupt both Democrat and Republican politicians.

West just told the truth about Obama who got elected because as a candidate for president he received a huge sum from the most awful Wall Street company, Goldman Sachs.

What West has explained is that “poor and working people have low priority in US government policy including the Obama Administration.” No surprise because West is definitely a true liberal progressive who has been making this kind of criticism very openly for a long time. Indeed, if poor and working people, as well as all African Americans, would wake up to reality they would abandon Obama, even as the lesser evil. Obama has told too many lies and done too many wrong things to deserve their support.

Nearly all members of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, are nothing more than mascots of Wall Street oligarchs and puppets of corporate plutocrats, something that all intelligent Americans, including those in the Tea Party movement, should totally agree with.

Here is something else West said: "The tea party folk are right when they say the government is corrupt. It is corrupt. Big business and banks have taken over government and corrupted it in deep ways....we've got to think seriously of third-party candidates, third formations, third parties."

Over at FutureofCapitalism.com this point was made: Obama “has basically enshrined the too-big-to-fail banks while also propping up GE and the firms that will benefit from ObamaCare.” True enough.

We need many more people that get mass media attention to say the kind of things that West has said. Americans need to be reminded incessantly that their government has been hijacked by rich and powerful elites.

With a corrupt two-party plutocracy elections no longer offer the promise of much needed reforms. Odds are that Tea Party people will realize that their favored Republicans will also not deliver a rehabilitated, honest government serving the interests or ordinary Americans.

Contact Joel S. Hirschhorn through delusionaldemocracy.com.

source
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24950

[Dorok]

Obviously, I don't think he's put up enough. I think he's talked a lot, but as far as anything concrete or actionable, no...

And why do you insist on trying to put words in my mouth rather than debating? Taking tips from Corsi or some other self-promoting windbag?

Let's not pretend that you have some superior insight on any topic by posing everything you read that can make these into anything but shouting matches about accusations. Facts are facts, and the truth will out. But not by shameless self-promoting pundits with no actual proof shouting on as many media shows as possible. Maybe you should try not to take criticisms against what you post personally. You didn't write it, so maybe people here aren't actually criticizing you.

So, I still stand by put up or shut up.

Thanks Dorok,

I read every word of your last post (above) and will take that information on board...

I just hate to see how this World is being Manipulated & Destroyed by Nothing More than a 'Bunch of Criminals'!

So at times I passionately express my opinion out of pure frustration of seeing it all unfold right before our very eyes, yet no-one is doing anything about it except those like Jerome Corsi, Webster Tarpeley, Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser, etc...who I believe only want whats best for America and the World for that matter.

One thing that comes across in some of your posts is your defence of (Obama), can you once and for all share your position on His Presidency, His Decisions to date, His Flip-Flops & Choice of Administration?

Its hard to debate you if I don't know your position, you undoubtedly know mine.

If its a debate on fact Dorok, I am more than willing to participate as you stated above "Facts are facts, and the truth will out."

If I sound off, its because I think you feel he (Obama) is doing a good job and everything is just hunky-dory?

I think it's very telling that you admit that your buttons are being pushed by assuming that I'm defending Obama. I'm sorry to say that's all on you. I have done nothing more to defend him except uphold the 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' concept, as I would do with anyone. This is why you see me reply to Steve P. & Jerome Corsi in a 'put up or shut up' fashion. Unless you have proof, these are baseless allegations and repeating them does nothing except add noise.

I have no illusions that the truth of certain matters is hard to come by and prove; however, the circumstantial evidence being provided is extremely flimsy to me especially in light of the purported world-changing pronouncements that accompany them.

Let's tone down the rhetoric, focus on what can be proven, and nail every bastard along the way. I'd much rather trade in these hip waders for sh!t kickers...

I hope that clears things up!

[firstlook]

If I sound off, its because I think you feel he (Obama) is doing a good job and everything is just hunky-dory?

I dont think its that simple. Its hard trying to look at the situation of other factions and figure out which ones are in the best interest of the planet as a whole. Supporting is the wrong word.

If we continue to view the facts based on previous mis-conceptions, it creates barriers in having a voice that is heard in an area that we just are not a part of philosophically.

I would pose these questions. Ignoring specific actions for the moment, Why is it important that a person must be born on a certain piece of land to be able to have everyones best interest at heart?

Is this as the late Terence McKenna would put it "another cultural barrier"? Is it part of the system that needs to change in order to focus on more important issues of actions?

Just some thoughts. :)

[jackovesk]

Thanks Dorok,

I read every word of your last post (above) and will take that information on board...

I just hate to see how this World is being Manipulated & Destroyed by Nothing More than a 'Bunch of Criminals'!

So at times I passionately express my opinion out of pure frustration of seeing it all unfold right before our very eyes, yet no-one is doing anything about it except those like Jerome Corsi, Webster Tarpeley, Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser, etc...who I believe only want whats best for America and the World for that matter.

One thing that comes across in some of your posts is your defence of (Obama), can you once and for all share your position on His Presidency, His Decisions to date, His Flip-Flops & Choice of Administration?

Its hard to debate you if I don't know your position, you undoubtedly know mine.

If its a debate on fact Dorok, I am more than willing to participate as you stated above "Facts are facts, and the truth will out."

If I sound off, its because I think you feel he (Obama) is doing a good job and everything is just hunky-dory?

I think it's very telling that you admit that your buttons are being pushed by assuming that I'm defending Obama. I'm sorry to say that's all on you. I have done nothing more to defend him except uphold the 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' concept, as I would do with anyone. This is why you see me reply to Steve P. & Jerome Corsi in a 'put up or shut up' fashion. Unless you have proof, these are baseless allegations and repeating them does nothing except add noise.

I have no illusions that the truth of certain matters is hard to come by and prove; however, the circumstantial evidence being provided is extremely flimsy to me especially in light of the purported world-changing pronouncements that accompany them.

Let's tone down the rhetoric, focus on what can be proven, and nail every bastard along the way. I'd much rather trade in these hip waders for sh!t kickers...

I hope that clears things up!

:pound: :pound: :pound:

Not only didn't you answer my questions even when I was trying to be civil and draw some kind of common ground.

The best you could come up with and avoid answering my questions was this...


I think it's very telling that you admit that your buttons are being pushed by assuming that I'm defending Obama. I'm sorry to say that's all on you. I have done nothing more to defend him except uphold the 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' concept"

I take a stand in life and will defend my position come what may!

JESUS CHRIST - I am PROUD to be AUSTRALIAN, at least we TELL IT LIKE IT IS and take a stand in life!!!

Something SOME Australians, like me can only understand!

Gone are the days of being a 'Doormat'!

Take a stand in life and stop being a Passenger of Tyranny without conviction!

[Seikou-Kishi]

This is very adversarial. Can we change the tone a little, please?

[Calz]

*Ahem*

Jack and Dorok ... you are both "good guys".

Might I respectfully suggest ... standing in the middle ... that O has essentially had crosshairs pointed since JFK???

Catch my drift???

I am not going to spell it out (DHS would be swooping in) :painkiller:

Peace my brothers in arms ... let us not forget who the "enemy" is :peace:

[Dennis Leahy]

Any issue dealing with politicians is a potentially heated situation.

Fast forward to 2011, and the US, and the president, and there's enough gasoline and napalm and nanothermite and depleted uranium-tipped munitions there to start a full scale war.

May I recommend a few deep breaths when discussing these professional liars, er, I mean politicians, and their issues, and remember most of all that WE are truly on the same side. Let's not help the power-hungry and psychopaths with their psy-ops to fracture our unity in fighting against them - and so let's keep our passion but not aim any of our anger at our compatriots.

Gracias. :~)

Dennis

[Dorok]

Jackovesk - obviously you have a problem with anyone who doesn't see the world through your eyes. For some reason (maybe because I do take a stand, contrary to what you say above), you seem to have decided to pick me as the petard you will hoist yourself on. You have never debated the facts of why what Corsi presents is true, you have only created an echo chamber to drown out any opposition, and yet you act as if you're a martyr for Truth here.

For your consideration...

False Strawman arguments (I never claimed any of this):
Making in your eyes such 'Wild & Outlandish' statements that your 'Prescious President' is a Phony/Fraud..!
One thing that comes across in some of your posts is your defence of (Obama)
If I sound off, its because I think you feel he (Obama) is doing a good job and everything is just hunky-dory?
You might just get your wish Dorok and silence me forever?

Ad Hominem attacks:
Whereas people like you choose the High Ground with Pissant EXCUSES and achieve nothing!!! No wonder America is Bankrupt with no future with people like you to defend their future!
Dorok, you are exactly the type of person Americans do NOT need at this point in time!
Take a stand in life Dorok and stop being a Passenger of Tyranny withithout conviction!

I won't even bother quoting the chest thumping...oh maybe I will:
No matter how you Slice-It Obama is...

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=810414317149&id=3b953e04ca4ba508660fd5004a5e8c49&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.thetruthaboutmortgage.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2008%2f09%2fbearstearns.jpg
This Story Aint goin away and for those of you who live States, this maybe the very Issue that helps you get your Country back from the NWO Globalist Banksters!
And if the American people were smart they would virally communicate the same, before you have no Freedom of Speech left!
I take a stand in life and will defend my position come what may!
I am PROUD to be AUSTRALIAN, at least we TELL IT LIKE IT IS and take a stand in life!!!
Something SOME Australians, like me can only understand!
Gone are the days of being a 'Doormat'!

You say "If its a debate on fact Dorok, I am more than willing to participate", yet you do not. You want to debate whether or not I believe in allegations or how I feel about Obama. Those are not debatable positions. And you have not presented ANY FACTS. All you have done is lash out.

And for the record, principled people like me are the last, best hope for the USA and humanity in general. People like you are more likely to form lynch mobs.

[Dorok]

*Ahem*

Jack and Dorok ... you are both "good guys".

Might I respectfully suggest ... standing in the middle ... that O has essentially had crosshairs pointed since JFK???

Catch my drift???

I am not going to spell it out (DHS would be swooping in) :painkiller:

Peace my brothers in arms ... let us not forget who the "enemy" is :peace:

I agree Calz. Apaprently, someone in here considers me the enemy though...


I'm 99% sure this issue is watching the hand the magician wants you to see. As firstlook is pointing out, nothing would fundamentally change either way; however, what is created is powerful - a huge attention sucker that allows everyone to project their worst feelings about TPTB (things out of your personal control) onto a fake issue in order to create division and smokescreen that can be exploited to further other agendas.

Anyone see that the Patriot Act was just renewed without the barest of mentions in the media? Thanks Corsi & Trump! You may now retreat until will need you again...

[T Smith]

I'm 99% sure this issue is watching the hand the magician wants you to see. As firstlook is pointing out, nothing would fundamentally change either way; however, what is created is powerful - a huge attention sucker that allows everyone to project their worst feelings about TPTB (things out of your personal control) onto a fake issue in order to create division and smokescreen that can be exploited to further other agendas.

Anyone see that the Patriot Act was just renewed without the barest of mentions in the media? Thanks Corsi & Trump! You may now retreat until will need you again...

I understand the points you are making here. However, I personally think this is a very important issue and not just a distraction. On its face, for certain, it appears a sensationalized circus while the 4th Amendment quietly evaporates before our eyes and the Patriot Act renews without debate. But in my view the torch Corsi is carrying is a much bigger issue than just Barack Obama, the man, and whether he is eligible to be POTUS. What's important here transcends the specifics. At its core this issue is central to the decay and corruption that undergirds the so-called "real" issues. If Corsi's allegations are correct -- and I'm certain they are -- the real issue we are discussing is the underlying psyops waged against the public by the DNC, the mainstream media, and all other factions complicit in this campaign. In short, this is an expose of the Ministry of Truth as much as it is an expose of Barack Obama. This is an expose of the corruption at the highest levels and of all branches of government, including the Supreme Court. This is an expose of all the Alynski techniques and ridicule employed by the controlling propaganda ministers who have known, from day one, that this was a real issue and instead so successfully demobilized public opinion. As a bystander observing this psyops attack, I'm more angry at the Bill O'Reilly's and Rachel Maddow's and the Chris Mathews's of the world who have deliberately propagated the fiction and duped the sheep who buy into the false reality, all while the people of the world are under a clandestine attack in the dark of night. In short, the media, coupled with our corrupt government, have successfully silenced legitimate dissent. What difference does the specific issue at hand make, be it the sack of the Republic itself or what the President has for lunch, if we continue to allow the media and TPTB to think for the public? War is Peace, Slavery is Freedom, Ignorance is Strength. You get the gist.

In my view, this issue is of paramount importance. As far as Corsi is concerned, and what I infer as your distain of him as some kind of opportunist, I can't speak to that. My lukewarm feeling is he will eventually put forth the evidence he is talking about. But I also think the evidence will not cause a very big splash. This psyops is so thorough and powerful; this issue has failed to capture widespread public attention until Donald Trump got involved – which is likely yet another move on the board to counter the growing awareness. Put another way, the masters playing us are engaged in complex chess game while we are all playing a game of checkers. The man behind the curtain is way deeper than the man currently occupying the Whitehouse. Even if Corsi files criminal charges against BO, the media, save for AM shows, will not run with this. The FBI and the courts responsible to adjudicate the charges will stonewall. There will be rumblings amid alternative circles, but regardless of the evidence, the masses will remain asleep on this issue.

I could be wrong -- and I certainly am advocating for Corsi to push the envelope -- but unless the powers behind Barack Obama really want this exposed, for their own interests, people like me, and the likes on this forum, will merely continue to be more outraged as we watch this all unfold and as we observe just how much power these same forces have over the public mind.

[Calz]

I am in no position to speak for anyone other than myself.

Jack has a lot of passion ... and he is driven to "right" what he sees is "wrong" in the world.

Sometimes passion can carry us beyond being "constructive".

We are all different (anyone not understanding that can study astro for a few years).

Point being you both mean well and actually have similar objectives in mind for the "end goal".

As it is said ... the "devil is in the detail".

[Calz]

Good post T Smith.

At this point ... imho ... it will take a complete "flush" of the system ... and it seems pretty obvious to some that is coming.

To me personally it is inevitable ... the momentum unescapable.

That said ... this will surely encompass much more than "politics". It will reshape our very global society in ways most all cannot comprehend.

[jackovesk]

Bill Cunningham's show is a bit of a joke (I know, he lives in my town.). He was the king of the conservative AM radio pundits before Limbaugh and the others. He's nothing but a ratings whore; if he actually believed Corsi had a legitimate case, he (or his wife - the are both lawyers - or someone they know) would represent him in a lawsuit in a heartbeat just for the press.

This is nothing but talk. Time to put up or shut up, Corsi!

I think he's put up a Fair Bit already don't you think Dorok?

Making in your eyes such 'Wild & Outlandish' statements that your 'Prescious President' is a Phony/Fraud..!

I'd say those are the type of comments if Corsi had No Case would land him in Court of Law for SLANDER so fast he wouldn't know what hit him, don't you think Dorok?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKnVr3I9q8

Obviously, I don't think he's put up enough. I think he's talked a lot, but as far as anything concrete or actionable, no...

And why do you insist on trying to put words in my mouth rather than debating? Taking tips from Corsi or some other self-promoting windbag?

Let's not pretend that you have some superior insight on any topic by posing everything you read that can make these into anything but shouting matches about accusations. Facts are facts, and the truth will out. But not by shameless self-promoting pundits with no actual proof shouting on as many media shows as possible. Maybe you should try not to take criticisms against what you post personally. You didn't write it, so maybe people here aren't actually criticizing you.

So, I still stand by put up or shut up.

Thanks Dorok,

I read every word of your last post (above) and will take that information on board...

I just hate to see how this World is being Manipulated & Destroyed by Nothing More than a 'Bunch of Criminals'!

So at times I passionately express my opinion out of pure frustration of seeing it all unfold right before our very eyes, yet no-one is doing anything about it except those like Jerome Corsi, Webster Tarpeley, Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser, etc...who I believe only want whats best for America and the World for that matter.

One thing that comes across in some of your posts is your defence of (Obama), can you once and for all share your position on His Presidency, His Decisions to date, His Flip-Flops & Choice of Administration?

Its hard to debate you if I don't know your position, you undoubtedly know mine.

If its a debate on fact Dorok, I am more than willing to participate as you stated above "Facts are facts, and the truth will out."

If I sound off, its because I think you feel he (Obama) is doing a good job and everything is just hunky-dory?


Jackovesk - obviously you have a problem with anyone who doesn't see the world through your eyes. For some reason (maybe because I do take a stand, contrary to what you say above), you seem to have decided to pick me as the petard you will hoist yourself on. You have never debated the facts of why what Corsi presents is true, you have only created an echo chamber to drown out any opposition, and yet you act as if you're a martyr for Truth here.

For your consideration...

False Strawman arguments (I never claimed any of this):
Making in your eyes such 'Wild & Outlandish' statements that your 'Prescious President' is a Phony/Fraud..!
One thing that comes across in some of your posts is your defence of (Obama)
If I sound off, its because I think you feel he (Obama) is doing a good job and everything is just hunky-dory?
You might just get your wish Dorok and silence me forever?

Ad Hominem attacks:
Whereas people like you choose the High Ground with Pissant EXCUSES and achieve nothing!!! No wonder America is Bankrupt with no future with people like you to defend their future!
Dorok, you are exactly the type of person Americans do NOT need at this point in time!
Take a stand in life Dorok and stop being a Passenger of Tyranny withithout conviction!

I won't even bother quoting the chest thumping...oh maybe I will:
No matter how you Slice-It Obama is...

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=810414317149&id=3b953e04ca4ba508660fd5004a5e8c49&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.thetruthaboutmortgage.com%2fw p-content%2fuploads%2f2008%2f09%2fbearstearns.jpg
This Story Aint goin away and for those of you who live States, this maybe the very Issue that helps you get your Country back from the NWO Globalist Banksters!
And if the American people were smart they would virally communicate the same, before you have no Freedom of Speech left!
I take a stand in life and will defend my position come what may!
I am PROUD to be AUSTRALIAN, at least we TELL IT LIKE IT IS and take a stand in life!!!
Something SOME Australians, like me can only understand!
Gone are the days of being a 'Doormat'!

You say "If its a debate on fact Dorok, I am more than willing to participate", yet you do not. You want to debate whether or not I believe in allegations or how I feel about Obama. Those are not debatable positions. And you have not presented ANY FACTS. All you have done is lash out.

And for the record, principled people like me are the last, best hope for the USA and humanity in general. People like you are more likely to form lynch mobs.

President Obama has now involved himself in the chain of evidence stating he has shown his long for Birth certificate to the public.

Now the Obama Administration will rise and fall on the authenticity of that document. Period!

Corsi, stated word for word what signatories were on the Birth Certificate 3 weeks prior to its release by the White House! Which has already been confirmed! Email evidence proven by Joseph Farrah!

Dorok, you have seen the document produced by Obama have you not?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfZkxZjAHv4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plD9JvMbX5M&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcoX-Fl6Ogg&feature=related

[Dorok]

T Smith, you have a very reasoned post, and I agree with most of what you say. The problem for me is people who wave and shout that they have evidence usually never come up with it. I would be very happy to see evidence and throw all the bastards in the clink!

However, I'm pretty sure that won't happen either. After all, I heard GWB admit on a live press conference that he was wiretapping americans (against the law) and nothing happened. You don't get better evidence than that!

So where does that leave us?

[Lord Sidious]

Gee, I go for a rest and the nuggetry is uncontrolled.
We do have to put a stop to the strawman nuggetry though.

[Dorok]

Jack, sorry mate, but I'm done with any back and forth between just us. Either we are posting for the benefit of the forum or for ourselves. This doesn't seem to work between you and I. However, I will still call BS when & where I see it for everyone's benefit, your threads are not exempt.

To find the answers to your most recent post, please refer to my original post on this topic.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Jackovesk and Dorok

Dorok and Jacovesk

Will something be read into my ordering? Making an argument is like playing golf. The goal is to do what you want without slinging mud in along with it. Both of you have valid points of view and both of you want what is best. We can all surely agree on those two basic things, can't we? Let's conduct the rest of this thread, and the rest of this argument (in the sense of debate, rather than verbal skirmish) in a mature, even and impersonal tone.

I've gone through and edited several posts to remove the personal and aggressive overtones, but frankly sometimes that didn't leave much. Please both of you try to calm down and disassociate yourselves from your positions just enough so that you don't get personally offended by challenges to those views, and don't get personally offensive in defence of them.

[firstlook]

I'm 99% sure this issue is watching the hand the magician wants you to see. As firstlook is pointing out, nothing would fundamentally change either way; however, what is created is powerful - a huge attention sucker that allows everyone to project their worst feelings about TPTB (things out of your personal control) onto a fake issue in order to create division and smokescreen that can be exploited to further other agendas.

Anyone see that the Patriot Act was just renewed without the barest of mentions in the media? Thanks Corsi & Trump! You may now retreat until will need you again...

I understand the points you are making here. However, I personally think this is a very important issue and not just a distraction. On its face, for certain, it appears a sensationalized circus while the 4th Amendment quietly evaporates before our eyes and the Patriot Act renews without debate. But in my view the torch Corsi is carrying is a much bigger issue than just Barack Obama, the man, and whether he is eligible to be POS. What's important here transcends the specifics. At its core this issue is central to the decay and corruption that undergirds the so-called "real" issues. If Corsi's allegations are correct -- and I'm certain they are -- the real issue we are discussing is the underlying psyops waged against the public by the DNC, the mainstream media, and all other factions complicit in this campaign. In short, this is an expose of the Ministry of Truth as much as it is an expose of Barack Obama. This is an expose of the corruption at the highest levels and of all branches of government, including the Supreme Court. This is an expose of all the Alynski techniques and ridicule employed by the controlling propaganda ministers who have known, from day one, that this was a real issue and instead so successfully demobilized public opinion. As a bystander observing this psyops attack, I'm more angry at the Bill O'Reilly's and Rachel Maddow's and the Chris Mathews's of the world who have deliberately propagated the fiction and duped the sheep who buy into the false reality, all while the people of the world are under a clandestine attack in the dark of night. In short, the media, coupled with our corrupt government, have successfully silenced legitimate dissent. What difference does the specific issue at hand make, be it the sack of the Republic itself or what the President has for lunch, if we continue to allow the media and TPTB to think for the public? War is Peace, Slavery is Freedom, Ignorance is Strength. You get the gist.

In my view, this issue is of paramount importance. As far as Corsi is concerned, and what I infer as your distain of him as some kind of opportunist, I can't speak to that. My lukewarm feeling is he will eventually put forth the evidence he is talking about. But I also think the evidence will not cause a very big splash. This psyops is so thorough and powerful; this issue has failed to capture widespread public attention until Donald Trump got involved – which is likely yet another move on the board to counter the growing awareness. Put another way, the masters playing us are engaged in complex chess game while we are all playing a game of checkers. The man behind the curtain is way deeper than the man currently occupying the Whitehouse. Even if Corsi files criminal charges against BO, the media, save for AM shows, will not run with this. The FBI and the courts responsible to adjudicate the charges will stonewall. There will be rumblings amid alternative circles, but regardless of the evidence, the masses will remain asleep on this issue.

I could be wrong -- and I certainly am advocating for Corsi to push the envelope -- but unless the powers behind Barack Obama really want this exposed, for their own interests, people like me, and the likes on this forum, will merely continue to be more outraged as we watch this all unfold and as we observe just how much power these same forces have over the public mind.

This is the best explanation I have seen so far about what this could mean. Thank you.

I still have to ask the question though of why is it important to not have an authority who was born in a different country? Is it because of outside interests? If so, how does this explain the corruption from people born in th US?

It seems this issue of where someone is born is a great way to simplify what loyalty really means. Us vs. them, country vs. country.

Perhaps this exposure of corruption would help the public to revise their opinions on loyalty to country and take the next step into loyalty to humanity. Its all contextual, but these issues just seem so irrelevant compared to the way we should be setting guidelines for "authority".

[Referee]

I think there are too many foreign governments involved here if the story breaks other governments will weigh in. Too big to hide. Alex Jones did video on it today.

[Calz]

It is the ***SYSTEM*** guys.

Don't fall for the puppets who fall into the trap of the ***SYSTEM***.

Do I need to insert some more "Rage Against the Machine" songs to drive that home???

That is where the battle lies and where we must focus our attention ... else we will continue the endless fighting among ourselves that continues for what seems like forever.

[Dennis Leahy]

...

Before I go, I'd just like to thank all Avalonians for the support they have given me in the past and KEEP on FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST TYRANNY!

Hey Jack, I love your passion. You ain't going anywhere, we need you to keep on fighting. You're locking horns with Dorok, but it probably has more to do with presentation style than anything. He's not defending Obama or helping the Global Rulers protect their tyrannical rule, he just sees this issue differently (less important) than you do. In fact, in my opinion, they could swap-out Obama and a dozen other US muckety-mucks in high places - and not a thing of substance would change.

Besides, Americans are extremely unlikely to do anything about this, no matter if Obama was born in Saudi Arabia, Kenya, or the dark side of the moon. For example, after recognizing the physics forensic evidence of 9/11, and the fact that a chunk of Americans won't even entertain the notion that they were lied to, it really makes no difference what Corsi comes up with - nothing will be done about it. I agree with Dorok that this is almost undoubtedly a smokescreen issue, and nothing will come of it. I am to the point where I know we need to change the entire political system, and realize that chasing these individual issues is part of the maddening psy-ops game they have set up for us.

It's hard to decide whether a couple of guys on the same side who are poking a finger into each others chests (or perceived to be doing so) need to be moderated. I see Oliver removed one line, and I'll edit out the specific references to Dorok, by name, if Dorok wants me to.

Thanks for your consideration!

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

...
I still have to ask the question though of why is it important to not have an authority who was born in a different country? Is it because of outside interests?

Theoretically, if not native-born, his presidency is illegitimate (according to the US Constitution), and all executive orders and commands are invalid. I'd love to see it happen, if only for the fact it would temporarily slow down their machinery - but alas, it won't.

Dennis

[Dorok]

Hey Jack, I love your passion. You ain't going anywhere, we need you to keep on fighting. You're locking horns with Dorok, but it probably has more to do with presentation style than anything. He's not defending Obama or helping the Global Rulers protect their tyrannical rule, he just sees this issue differently (less important) than you do. In fact, in my opinion, they could swap-out Obama and a dozen other US muckety-mucks in high places - and not a thing of substance would change.

Besides, Americans are extremely unlikely to do anything about this, no matter if Obama was born in Saudi Arabia, Kenya, or the dark side of the moon. For example, after recognizing the physics forensic evidence of 9/11, and the fact that a chunk of Americans won't even entertain the notion that they were lied to, it really makes no difference what Corsi comes up with - nothing will be done about it. I agree with Dorok that this is almost undoubtedly a smokescreen issue, and nothing will come of it. I am to the point where I know we need to change the entire political system, and realize that chasing these individual issues is part of the maddening psy-ops game they have set up for us.

It's hard to decide whether a couple of guys on the same side who are poking a finger into each others chests (or perceived to be doing so) need to be moderated. I see Oliver removed one line, and I'll edit out the specific references to Dorok, by name, if Dorok wants me to.

Thanks for your consideration!

Dennis

Thanks, Dennis (and Oliver). Sorry you had to get involved (again). I think you understand my points exactly, and I think you can understand as a fellow countryman (for means of perspective) how easy it is to feel insulted when standing up for what I consider our founding principles (due process) and being accused of being a global traitor.

From my perspective, you can feel free to leave jack's posts as is until he's ashamed enough to edit his, and then my quotes of his can be edited to match. Otherwise, they can remain as guideposts for the rest of how not to do it.

[Calz]

I still have to ask the question though of why is it important to not have an authority who was born in a different country?



Quite simply because it is "the law".

A whole thread could be started on "the law" ... who makes it up and why ... and why in this (usa) country it is mostly a joke that is bent to serve those in power (ie corporations) against any sane rationale.

[jackovesk]

Jack, sorry mate, but I'm done with any back and forth between just us. Either we are posting for the benefit of the forum or for ourselves. This doesn't seem to work between you and I. However, I will still call BS when & where I see it for everyone's benefit, your threads are not exempt.

To find the answers to your most recent post, please refer to my original post on this topic.

Please refer and listen to my post #39

[firstlook]

...
I still have to ask the question though of why is it important to not have an authority who was born in a different country? Is it because of outside interests?

Theoretically, if not native-born, his presidency is illegitimate (according to the US Constitution), and all executive orders and commands are invalid. I'd love to see it happen, if only for the fact it would temporarily slow down their machinery - but alas, it won't.

Dennis

Do you feel that being native-born is an effective requisite on establishing loyalty to people?

¤=[Post Update]=¤





I still have to ask the question though of why is it important to not have an authority who was born in a different country?



Quite simply because it is "the law".

A whole thread could be started on "the law" ... who makes it up and why ... and why in this (usa) country it is mostly a joke that is bent to serve those in power (ie corporations) against any sane rationale.

I guess I would have to ask the effectiveness of this law. :)

[Dorok]

Jack, sorry mate, but I'm done with any back and forth between just us. Either we are posting for the benefit of the forum or for ourselves. This doesn't seem to work between you and I. However, I will still call BS when & where I see it for everyone's benefit, your threads are not exempt.

To find the answers to your most recent post, please refer to my original post on this topic.

Please refer and listen to my post #39

That's the one I just responded to. You're going in circles. Quit poking me.

[Dennis Leahy]

...
I still have to ask the question though of why is it important to not have an authority who was born in a different country? Is it because of outside interests?

Theoretically, if not native-born, his presidency is illegitimate (according to the US Constitution), and all executive orders and commands are invalid. I'd love to see it happen, if only for the fact it would temporarily slow down their machinery - but alas, it won't.

Dennis

Do you feel that being native-born is an effective requisite on establishing loyalty to people?[COLOR="red"]


Good question, and I have some thoughts on it (and elected officials with dual citizenship). but let's make that another thread, as it is too tangential to Corsi vs. Obama.

Dennis

[Calz]

...
I still have to ask the question though of why is it important to not have an authority who was born in a different country? Is it because of outside interests?

Theoretically, if not native-born, his presidency is illegitimate (according to the US Constitution), and all executive orders and commands are invalid. I'd love to see it happen, if only for the fact it would temporarily slow down their machinery - but alas, it won't.

Dennis

Do you feel that being native-born is an effective requisite on establishing loyalty to people?

¤=[Post Update]=¤





I still have to ask the question though of why is it important to not have an authority who was born in a different country?



Quite simply because it is "the law".

A whole thread could be started on "the law" ... who makes it up and why ... and why in this (usa) country it is mostly a joke that is bent to serve those in power (ie corporations) against any sane rationale.

I guess I would have to ask the effectiveness of this law. :)

Not a "founding father" but I would suggest it had to do with keeping outside influences from taking power within the country (clearly didn't work as intended).

As I said ... "the law" is a topic into itself.

[jackovesk]

Jack, sorry mate, but I'm done with any back and forth between just us. Either we are posting for the benefit of the forum or for ourselves. This doesn't seem to work between you and I. However, I will still call BS when & where I see it for everyone's benefit, your threads are not exempt.

To find the answers to your most recent post, please refer to my original post on this topic.

Please refer and listen to my post #39

That's the one I just responded to. You're going in circles. Quit poking me.

I meant yesterdays Alex Jones interview with Jerome Corsi, I added to the statement and Quit poking me!

[Calz]

Perhaps avalon could use a "poking" forum where nuggets can have at it??? :boink:

[JoeNashville]

That's a great stunt for Corsi to sell some books, but he doesn't have any legal standing and a suit by him won't get any traction. Sadly.

BUT any of the candidates currently running in 2012 could file suit and that is the way to approach. I hope one does. Talk about free campaign publicity!

[Fred Steeves]

Just my 2 cents worth here. Nationalities? I used to be a proud American, before I realized there wasn't much to be proud of since probably 100 years before I was born. God, it's a good thing my flag waving WW2 grandparents are no longer around to hear that. I am a proud human though, and whatever else we are mixed in. That's one thing we all have in common.

I don't hold out any more hope in someone within the system bringing down the system than I do in big brother aliens coming down to open up a can of whup ass on TPTW. We can banter these technicalities of the grand deception back and forth til we're blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is it's no different than sitting in our prison cell under construction and commenting/debating on the most recent bar installed. (thank you david Icke)

In the end either WE THE PEOPLE stand to face the cowardly bully down ourselves, or we deserve what Jordan Maxwell thinks is our destiny.

Rant Over and Cheers,:violin:
Fred

[Rocky_Shorz]

we gave the country to bankers of London almost 100 years ago and you are worried about losing it because of Obama?

way to be up to speed on current events... lol

[shadowstalker]

Even if this prez is on the outs, does anyone believe we would get a REAL prez to replace him?, NOT ME...
Every one knows (generally speaking) that the elections are fixed, maybe they already know anyway to bring in the worst we have ever seen thus far..
Either way we are not safe..
Think about it if they have to fake a prez , what is next?
An out right dictator. No elections, next more or worse B.S.

[T Smith]

That's a great stunt for Corsi to sell some books, but he doesn't have any legal standing and a suit by him won't get any traction. Sadly.

BUT any of the candidates currently running in 2012 could file suit and that is the way to approach. I hope one does. Talk about free campaign publicity!

That approach didn't serve Alan Keyes too well in 2008.

[Dorok]

This is all pretty simple... The likely possibilities are:


Obama is not eligible to be the POTUS for any reason primarily falling into one of the categories below:

Long form birth certificate is fake. - outright fraud
Contemporary birth notices in newspapers were planned and staged in advance. - conspiracy decades in the making
New precedent is set in defining 'natural born citizen' (not a firm legal notion by any means). - tricky judicial maneuvering

Obama is eligible to be the POTUS.

Lucky for us this is primarily an either/or situation! Let's just get it out of the way for #2 and say that everything stays the same, including people offering up more allegations of #1.

As far as I know, no one knows exactly what would happen (procedurally) if #1 is true; it's not really spelled out in the Constitution for this precise issue. Maybe Joe Biden is sworn in, and that's it. Maybe Congress tries to reverse every law passed by his (and their!!) pens. Maybe special elections have to be held. Maybe we follow the impeachment process. All possible as I see it. So, by my reckoning, if #1 is somehow true, the Biden likely serves the remainder of Obama's term.

Where does that get anyone? Who here thinks there's an actual person in the USA today who could be an honest President? Who here thinks that Obama is a 'bad person' rather than someone who can't just do whatever we want him to? What about GWB before him? Does the same apply? What about every other 'democracy' on the planet? Think there's an honest one with any clout?

QUI BONO??

Who benefits from this fractured discourse?

Corsi is likely a paid agent provacateur (I know he's getting paid!). He's been trying unsuccessfully to hang something on Obama for many years now. If it wasn't Obama, it would be someone else; if not Corsi, then someone else. Names don't matter here; it's a pattern of action.

QUI BONO?

Who benefits when you're distracted by these shell games?

More importantly, who's injured when these games are hyped and repeated?

[Rocky_Shorz]

We are in the strongest Karma cycle ever and it should be getting obvious now to everyone...

yep, no need to wonder who is getting hurt by crazy rants... ;)


Republicans completely disgraced in New York election...

[Maia Gabrial]

I for one, hope he succeeds in bringing the truth to light. I'm tired of all the lies coming from the POTUS. That's not the way it's supposed to be. Long live transparency!

[T Smith]

This is all pretty simple... The likely possibilities are:


Obama is not eligible to be the POTUS for any reason primarily falling into one of the categories below:

Long form birth certificate is fake. - outright fraud
Contemporary birth notices in newspapers were planned and staged in advance. - conspiracy decades in the making
New precedent is set in defining 'natural born citizen' (not a firm legal notion by any means). - tricky judicial maneuvering

Obama is eligible to be the POTUS.

Lucky for us this is primarily an either/or situation! Let's just get it out of the way for #2 and say that everything stays the same, including people offering up more allegations of #1.

As far as I know, no one knows exactly what would happen (procedurally) if #1 is true; it's not really spelled out in the Constitution for this precise issue. Maybe Joe Biden is sworn in, and that's it. Maybe Congress tries to reverse every law passed by his (and their!!) pens. Maybe special elections have to be held. Maybe we follow the impeachment process. All possible as I see it. So, by my reckoning, if #1 is somehow true, the Biden likely serves the remainder of Obama's term.

Where does that get anyone? Who here thinks there's an actual person in the USA today who could be an honest President? Who here thinks that Obama is a 'bad person' rather than someone who can't just do whatever we want him to? What about GWB before him? Does the same apply? What about every other 'democracy' on the planet? Think there's an honest one with any clout?

QUI BONO??

Who benefits from this fractured discourse?

Corsi is likely a paid agent provacateur (I know he's getting paid!). He's been trying unsuccessfully to hang something on Obama for many years now. If it wasn't Obama, it would be someone else; if not Corsi, then someone else. Names don't matter here; it's a pattern of action.

QUI BONO?

Who benefits when you're distracted by these shell games?

More importantly, who's injured when these games are hyped and repeated?

Disclaimer at the outset: This is entirely my intuitive position of what's going on here based on everything I know surrounding this issue.

Yes, Corsi is driven by partisan proclivities. It's fairly obvious. WND.com is a partisan website and Corsi is a staunch right-wing commentator. He has been critical of President Obama from the start (and of many other prominent figures in the Democratic Party before him) . As far as I know, Corsi never called out Boy W for his crimes against humanity in any of his investigative adventures. Nonetheless, he is still unveiling a valid issue, even if his motives are suspect. He may be a closet "racist" for all I know (as much as I hate to even introduce that can of worms). The point is, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. This is a legitimate issue, with legitimate facts, regardless of what Corsi is or who he represents.

No matter how the cards are stacked, this is also a critical issue for the reasons I outlined in my previous post, but also because this makes Barack Obama even more a sock puppet than he might be otherwise. I strongly suspect your option #1 is what is going on here. Every government and intelligence agency on Earth knows this. Even more troubling, the NWO/military industrial complex also knows this. The only "conspiracy" at play with the birth notices from 1961, if any, might be a familial conspiracy to procure citizenship for the newborn baby born in Africa. It's not a stretch to suppose cunning guardians would attempt to procure U.S. citizenship by going through whatever motions they had to, at the time, to make certain the baby would enjoy the privileges of a U.S. Citizen. This would include birth announcements in local papers and essentially registering via Hawaii's very lax certification of live birth procedure.

But more important than all this minutia is the fact that the issue is a gem and asset for the shawdowy powers dictating policy. Barack Obama is the most ideal POTUS. Perhaps this is why he was sponsored to begin with. And this is really why this is such an important issue, regardless of whether one subscribes to the "so what?" camp, or "what does uncovering this get anyone?" At any moment these powers can throw Obama under the bus with the Media on the payroll and vultures like Corsi growling just behind the fence. Obama is now being blackmailed. It seems apparent to me, given his erratic and very dubious leadership decisions 100% at odds with the Republic's interests and 100% at odds with the interests of the people of the United States and 100% at odds with the interests of people of the world.

The Security/Military-Industrial-Complex will protect their foot soldier, but only provided he does exactly as he's told. In short, the establishment is staving off the truth (not the White House), and Barack Obama is doing exactly as he is told. To put it bluntly: he is their cut-out Executive-in-Chief systemically dismantling the Republic on behalf of the NWO agenda while the public sleeps -- checking in with his superiors ever step along the way and following whatever orders befall him. Invading Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Pakistan, Iran... WWIII and an eventual conflict or nuclear exchange with China? False flag extra-terrestrial attack? Who knows? The point is, he will play whatever card the establishment tells him to play so long as this very unprecedented dilemma, which some merely view as a "distraction", is hanging over his head.

I could go on here, but I think I've made the point.

[Dorok]

Well put, T Smith!

[Snowbird]

This is nothing but talk. Time to put up or shut up, Corsi!

Um, how about 392 pages of intensive investigation that took years to collect and assemble? Just talk?


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415M0b--7fL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

[Dennis Leahy]

Who here thinks there's an actual person in the USA today who could be an honest President?
How about you? You might not want the job, but isn't it true that you would do your best to be honest? If there was a system kinda similar to jury duty, where citizens were picked at random, I'd say the chances of getting a millionaire would be 1:99, instead 100:0 as it is now.

I'd say a good way to increase the likelihood of better, more honest representation for the average person would be to put average people into elected positions, relying heavily on "Law", the rule of law, ruling by rules rather than rulers. We are locked into a groupthink of believing celebrities and silver-tongued millionaires are worthy of our consideration for elected offices. We need to clear that notion from our minds.

Average people running for office - for the public service of elected office - campaign finance reform, and eliminating lobbyists... I think we'd find many many individuals that would fulfill the duties of office with honor and honesty.

However, I think that your question is actually meant to be framed within the existing structure of elections, and then yes, I agree: no one will ever rise to the top of the heap that is not fully collaborating with the shadow government, even if a few of the densest dunderheads only thought at first they were being directed by their political party.


Who here thinks that Obama is a 'bad person' rather than someone who can't just do whatever we want him to?
Me. I think he actually is a "bad person", not just some politician that got in over his head and got forced into fulfilling a shadow government script. Evidence starts 20 days after taking office: drone bombing "suspected militants" (a euphemism for humans on the ground, running away) in Pakistan. Evidence continues with the Executive Orders he himself has written - not Congress.) He knew before he was sworn in that he was going to help cover-up one of the crimes of the century: 9/11. I don't think it's fair to offer Obama a pass and believe he's a good guy in a tough situation.

Next question: If not Barack, would someone else have been installed that would have performed exactly the same functionality? My answer is yes. He just happens to be a good orator, actually, an accomplished hypnotist, IMO.

Dennis

[Dorok]

Oh...does he have a book for sale?

[Dorok]

Good points, Dennis about judging him on his actions. If they are illegal, we'll impeach him. If not then we we oppose further action and not vote for him. Those are just the real things that Corsi is meant to distract from.

If there were actionable proof, what would come first a book tour or legal filing? Someone could find legal standing for any suit worth it's merit. My original point was the interviewer Bill Cunningham would have done it himself if he believed it.

[Snowbird]

I would pose these questions. Ignoring specific actions for the moment, Why is it important that a person must be born on a certain piece of land to be able to have everyones best interest at heart?

Because the Constitution of this country states this.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Oh...does he have a book for sale?

Have you read it yet? Reading it would most likely answer many of your questions.

[Dorok]

So, the proof is being kept secret to only those who read it. Silly me for listening to the author himself. Maybe I should pay good money for his book, so I feel a positive bias to agree rather than admit I wasted my money on a useless distraction.

[jackovesk]

Alex welcomes to the show former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, live from Lybia who has criticized Obama for bombing Libya and killing civilians.

Cynthia McKinney: Obama's So Called Humanitarian Aid to Libya is A Disaster


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxaOt0bO--E&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Cynthia McKinney: Final Thoughts on The Bombing in Libya


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-x4kXfiNI&feature=BFa&list=ULe97g-uIWspI&index=21


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrETU-ULGgs&feature=BFa&list=ULe97g-uIWspI&index=22

PS - Worth listening to, Cynthia McKinney tells the TRUTH of what is really going on in Lybia.

[toothpick]

Good thread jack.
Great posts by everyone.
I just can,t help thinking that these insidious people are working hard,
to keep are attention off what else is really going on, who knows where.
A "Wag the dog" situation for sure.

toothpick

[crosby]

Even if this prez is on the outs, does anyone believe we would get a REAL prez to replace him?, NOT ME...
Every one knows (generally speaking) that the elections are fixed, maybe they already know anyway to bring in the worst we have ever seen thus far..
Either way we are not safe..
Think about it if they have to fake a prez , what is next?
An out right dictator. No elections, next more or worse B.S.

yes, agreed. but the more important factor here is that more people will begin to wake up and take notice. all of the lies, even the small, obsequious trite lies are going to start coming out into the open and people are going to start to shake things up. this is what Corsi is doing. he is stirring the $hit storm for those that are still sleeping. it is an important step for those that are still asleep and think that the mighty obama is the "man." even if his facts are not 100% accurate, the information needs to get out there. and i see very few people willing to stand up and say something. looking at Corsi's information a little more closely may reveal more than we know. he may incorrect on a few of his stances, but how do we know this for sure? who here can tell what the absolute truth is? i have yet to see anyone with any truths that they know from first hand experience with obama. if his life and presidency are based on lies, then the truth is an unknown. i applaud anyone who can withstand the pressure and stand up and start pointing out some of these lies. how deep they actually go is still an unknown.
warmest, corson

[ktlight]

FYI:


Since when does the leader of an empire voluntarily "reset" to become a non-interfering power? Never. President Obama’s speech, last week, was mainly geared to maintaining U.S. supremacy in the Mideast and North Africa following the shock of the Arab Reawakening. Obama chided Arabs and Africans who believe colonialism is the root of their problems. But "if colonialism is a thing of the distant past, then why are the combined militaries of the world’s historical colonial powers, the U.S. and Europe, bombing and strafing their way through Africa?"


"The United States is still the boss, even if you think it’s springtime for Arabs."
When the world starts spinning away and the situation is no longer in control, the first inclination of the control freak is to reset the clock, so that nobody else knows what time it is. The people of the Arab and Middle Eastern world know that it’s way past time to get free of American corporate and military tentacles. Oh no, said President Obama in his speech last week, insisting on the "indispensable role that our country can play – and must play – in the world." Translation: The United States is still the boss, even if you think it’s springtime for Arabs. Off camera and thousands of miles away, NATO was making Obama’s point, having by then flown over 2,500 bombing sorties over Libya.
Obama chided those who blamed the West "as the source of all ills, a half century after the end of colonialism." But if colonialism is a thing of the distant past, then why are the combined militaries of the world’s historical colonial powers, the U.S. and Europe, bombing and strafing their way through Africa? The president praised the "moral force of non-violence" among Arab reformers, even as the U.S. and its European allies demonstrated their ghastly capacity for violence against Arabs in the heart of Arab North Africa. Then, as if there were no contradiction, Obama switched to the other teleprompter to assure his audience that the United States "will not tolerate aggression across borders." That is, unless it is sanctioned or carried out by the United States.
"We have a chance to pursue the world as it should be," but with "humility," said Obama. As a superpower for the last 65 years and the only superpower for the last twenty, one would have thought that the United States had had plenty of chances to pursue such a world all along. The U.S. and the Europeans of NATO are mainly responsible for the Arab and African worlds being underdeveloped and with only recent histories of self-rule. And yet the U.S. and Europeans are still there, imposing their will. Isn’t it time, Mr. Obama, with all humility, that you allow these countries to pursue their own national aspirations?

source to continue
http://uruknet.info/?p=m78077&hd=&size=1&l=e

[crosby]

So, the proof is being kept secret to only those who read it. Silly me for listening to the author himself. Maybe I should pay good money for his book, so I feel a positive bias to agree rather than admit I wasted my money on a useless distraction.

this is not just a useless distraction. yes, it may be true that something else is going on behind the scenes, but do you know what it is? it's fine to say that this is what you believe, but the most important factor here with Corsi, is that he is willing to stir the poop storm to get things moving in the right direction. and unless you can prove that he is on obama's payroll for another false-flag, than why push it?
corson

as an aside here: everyone makes their money one way or the other. there are many people that have published many books regarding conspiracy theories. they make money. that is how they earn their living. don't buy the book if it doesn't resonate with you. the sarcasm is just too trite. again, at least he has published a book and is not afraid to stand up and state his opinions to the world.

[Snowbird]

So, the proof is being kept secret to only those who read it. Silly me for listening to the author himself. Maybe I should pay good money for his book, so I feel a positive bias to agree rather than admit I wasted my money on a useless distraction.

Dorok, whether or not you agree with or support Corsi, your basic fundamental argument here is very weak. Jerome Corsi is walking the walk and talking the talk. He has formulated the proof that the man who now sits in the Oval office does not Constitutionally belong there. It is now known, because of Corsi's research, that Obama should never have been allowed to even run for President, let alone be elected President.

You don't have to purchase the book. There exist local and university libraries that will loan books to people. It is crucial at this juncture that we all/each become educated concerning what is really happening around us.

[Dorok]

Corsi is paid for lock, stock & barrel by the 'conservative' establishment for the presumable motive of undermining ANY democratic president. This isn't about Obama in particular. If it was a crime to be the paid scribe for these folks, then he could easily be proven guilty. The over-riding FACT is Corsi or anyone else has NOT demonstrated any sort of evidence against Obama or anyone else that would stand in court. As such, this is a useless distraction paid for the same folks that brought you Swift Boat Veterans for truth and similar titles.

Now we can argue as to who and to what purpose these folks are working for, but this still does not lend merit to the case at hand.

IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT CAN WITHSTAND JUDICIAL SCRUTINY, WE, CITIZENS OF THE USA, WILL ACT.

[conk]

Funny thing about Libya, they are praised by the UN Human Rights Council on their human rights. Libyan people are thriving. Few countries have the comforts they do. They have free health care and the best hospitals in the world, the best equipment. Education is free and they can study abroad at government expense. Upon marrying, the couple receives $50,000. Cars are much cheaper. Gas and bread costs pennies for them. People involved in agriculture are not taxed. They build huge, beneficial projects like the GMMR that provides 70 percent of the population with water. And, bingo, here it is....they have no central banking. They create their own money and are not connected to the criminal banking cartel. The controllers don't like any of this, particularly their banking style.

This information was gleaned from The Bob Livingston Letter.

[Dorok]

I think you've got the right thread there, conk!

When MQ is killed/forced out, we'll know for sure when the IMF or World Bank starts offering 'reconstruction loans'.

[Hummingbird]

I listened to the whole show yesterday and Alex was fired up about the new TSA laws that are trying to get passed in texas by the feds when that state of texas voted 138 to 0 for no scanners and feds blockaded and preceded anyways .

Alex had every listener go down to the capital building and he and his crew headed down there after show...

Revolution is in the air

[seko]

Funny thing about Libya, they are praised by the UN Human Rights Council on their human rights. Libyan people are thriving. Few countries have the comforts they do. They have free health care and the best hospitals in the world, the best equipment. Education is free and they can study abroad at government expense. Upon marrying, the couple receives $50,000. Cars are much cheaper. Gas and bread costs pennies for them. People involved in agriculture are not taxed. They build huge, beneficial projects like the GMMR that provides 70 percent of the population with water. And, bingo, here it is....they have no central banking. They create their own money and are not connected to the criminal banking cartel. The controllers don't like any of this, particularly their banking style.


This information was gleaned from The Bob Livingston Letter.

Hey Conk I know what you are posting is true, heard a Spanish Teacher who lives there talking about the standard of living that Libya has and it's way better than many countries in the world, not only Africa. No wonder why TBTW are destroying this way of living.

[Calz]

Corsi is paid for lock, stock & barrel by the 'conservative' establishment for the presumable motive of undermining ANY democratic president. This isn't about Obama in particular. If it was a crime to be the paid scribe for these folks, then he could easily be proven guilty. The over-riding FACT is Corsi or anyone else has NOT demonstrated any sort of evidence against Obama or anyone else that would stand in court. As such, this is a useless distraction paid for the same folks that brought you Swift Boat Veterans for truth and similar titles.

Now we can argue as to who and to what purpose these folks are working for, but this still does not lend merit to the case at hand.

IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT CAN WITHSTAND JUDICIAL SCRUTINY, WE, CITIZENS OF THE USA, WILL ACT.

Corsi on the right ... Moore on the left ... and the band plays on (and on ... and on).

Without a justice system that is just ... evidence continues to amount to nothing when used against those who are "protected".

Now ... if a citizen dares look cross-eyed at a TSA goon with his hand down your pants ... then you might as well forget about seeing the light of day for several years.

[Aqua marina]

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2011/05/26/Obama-signs-wrong-year-in-guest-book/UPI-95521306398600/


Odd News
Obama signs wrong year in guest book
Published: May 26, 2011 at 4:30 AM


LONDON, May 26 (UPI) -- President Barack Obama erred during a tour of London's Westminster Abbey when he signed a guest book with a date in 2008.

Obama, who was touring the church Tuesday with first lady Michelle Obama, signed his name with the date "24 May 2008," instead of the current year, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. reported Wednesday.

"It is a great privilege to commemorate our common heritage, and common sacrifice," the Obamas wrote in the guest book.

A Westminster Abbey spokesman confirmed it was President Obama who signed the incorrect date.

President Obama also placed a wreath at the Grave of the Unknown Warrior at the church, The Daily Telegraph reported. He was given a tour of Westminster Abbey from the Very Rev. Dr. John Hall.

"Westminster Abbey is known as the House of God and the House of Kings, where God is worshiped every day and where many great men and women are buried or memorialized," Hall told the Obamas.

"Here has taken place every coronation of kings and queens of England and of the United Kingdom since William I was crowned here on Christmas Day 1066."

Hall noted thousands of international visitors "including very many from the United States are welcomed" every day.
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When I read this, my immediate thought was that this is documentation for everything Andrew Bassiago has said about time travel. And also about meeting a young Barack Obama who already new he would be President.

People can slip on the year date during January or February, writing the date of the previous year. But in my experience they don't "forget" the last three years. Someone who momentarily lapses on the last three years has serious mental issues.

Knowing what we do about U.S. government use of time travel technology, the most plausible explanation to me is that when Obama signed the guest book, he had only just returned from 2008 and got mixed up about the year he was in.

Or, this is the younger Obama, brought forward, who slipped on the briefing he was given about 2011. It was just too automatic for him to write 2008.

Further thoughts?

[Humble Janitor]

If I were his doctors, I'd order a psychological checkup.

I don't know how anyone could lapse and write such an old date.

[Operator]

Maybe a bit off-topic here but sometimes when I see a date like 2008/2009/2010 my first thought is "waaaaaay back when" while it's not that long of course.

[Maia Gabrial]

Maybe that's the year he was cloned...
Maia

[johnf]

He's focused on election, he wants to repeat 2008.

[andrewgreen]

Maybe he just wasn't thinking, he is human after all, I think.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Someone who momentarily lapses on the last three years has serious mental issues.

Really? So someone that writes the wrong date has 'serious mental issues' gimme a break!


Knowing what we do about U.S. government use of time travel technology, the most plausible explanation to me is that when Obama signed the guest book, he had only just returned from 2008 and got mixed up about the year he was in.

Or, this is the younger Obama, brought forward, who slipped on the briefing he was given about 2011. It was just too automatic for him to write 2008.

Oh my......
Come on people, whats more likely that Obama simply Made a mistake with the date (we've all done it) or that he was returning from a secret time travel mission and thought he was still in 2008?
Who writes this crap?

*and i am no Obama fan i can assure you*

Cheers
Hurritt

[New Dawn]

I made a big mug of tea the other day, and realised I forgot to heat the water. This has led me to believe that perhaps I'm reptilian, and one that is in need therapy. Just thought I'd join in with the insanity :)

[Siegfried The 7]

I made a big mug of tea the other day, and realised I forgot to heat the water. This has led me to believe that perhaps I'm reptilian, and one that is in need therapy. Just thought I'd join in with the insanity :)

OMG, I tried not to post anything, but this was absolutely the funniest thing i've read in a long time! I left this thread and continued to laugh over and over at this! I just had to come back and say thanks for this comment! Im still laughing! I was starting to have a bad day and this fixed me right up! HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[New Dawn]

I made a big mug of tea the other day, and realised I forgot to heat the water. This has led me to believe that perhaps I'm reptilian, and one that is in need therapy. Just thought I'd join in with the insanity :)

OMG, I tried not to post anything, but this was absolutely the funniest thing i've read in a long time! I left this thread and continued to laugh over and over at this! I just had to come back and say thanks for this comment! Im still laughing! I was starting to have a bad day and this fixed me right up! HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Haha, glad to hear it mate, we gotta laugh or we'll go nuts! Keep the day good for you - that will make me happy!

[Etherios]

Maybe for obama and the PTB we are in 2008 ... the proper counting on the calendar or something similar... so 2012 is 4 years away :-P

[MargueriteBee]

This is so trivial.

[dmarie]

Mistake? How many here have signed a date THREE years off? I'm just saying that's a bit strange....

And if we are being honest here...I think it incredibly naive to believe time travel is not used.

[New Dawn]

Mistake? How many here have signed a date THREE years off? I'm just saying that's a bit strange....

And if we are being honest here...I think it incredibly naive to believe time travel is not used.

Well, its one possibility. But, I look at it this way - I make at least one stupid mistake a day. I may miss a road that I turn down every day of my life. I may sign my name wrong - yes I did it once.

Here's an example:
Someone wanted me to sign a CD once years ago, and I was thinking about a similar name at the time (my bassist to be infact), and in doing so, I wrote a girls name hahaha! I was so embaressed that I said to my female bass player at the time (who had the same first two letters), "Oh no, sign my name and then everything will be ok".

Now I know its possible (because I can't prove that time travel does not exist) that Obama time travelled, but don't you think its more likely that Obama was thinking about something to do with 2008, and made a similar mistake as I did?

I think time travel is something I'll put on the back burner, I'm afraid!

[the trojan]

i almost always have to ask what the date is,when signing forms.And about fifty per cent of the time I also have to ask what year it is.
not defending obama or putting down the timeline stuff...hey,this forum has a lot of timeline stuff being discussed.

[jackovesk]

Thanks Aqua Marina,

Isn't it somewhat Funny & Strange that the MSM have let yet another Obama Blooper, Slip 'Right-Under-The-Radar!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKnVr3I9q8&feature=player_embedded

[Snowbird]

[QUOTE=Snowbird;227302][QUOTE=firstlook;227225]So what effect will this have throughout the political arena?


I feel like I'm not putting my words more clearly, my fault. HOW will this help fumigate? I mean there is alot of avoidance on the question of what happens if Obama is impeached. I'm not trying to put down anyones search for the truth, its just I dont see how this impeachment does anything but question those who are in authority. Which is always a good thing. But there seems to be no real explanation of what it would actually mean in terms of change and policy. Maybe I keep overlooking certain aspects. IDK

Thanks for replying. :)

Sorry firstlook, I haven't been back to this thread until now. This issue could have a rippling effect if Corsi's research and proof are allowed into the courts for examination. I just posted some totally detailed and hard evidence over on my thread, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21613-Obama-s-Birth-Certificate-Is-A-Major-Problem . The post I made, will help to answer your question. The change and policy that you refer to would be widespread once ALL of this information is brought before the court and the public. There couldn't NOT be change.

[Etherios]

ok of topic... Do you guys think that he has changed? I think he was looking younger and smarter when he started. Maybe being a US presidents has some bad side effects on people?

[Snowbird]

T Smith, you have a very reasoned post, and I agree with most of what you say. The problem for me is people who wave and shout that they have evidence usually never come up with it. I would be very happy to see evidence and throw all the bastards in the clink!

However, I'm pretty sure that won't happen either. After all, I heard GWB admit on a live press conference that he was wiretapping americans (against the law) and nothing happened. You don't get better evidence than that!

So where does that leave us?

I think that your question will be answered once you have read through my newest post # 19 on...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21613-Obama-s-Birth-Certificate-Is-A-Major-Problem

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Maybe he did it to be a prick. Perhaps for not being invited to the shmoyal shmedding...

[Flash]

Someone for sure will be looking at numerology and find a signification!:rolleyes:

For all the times I have written checks with the wrong date or been mindless for things (such as forgetting my potatoes on the stove and burning them, or burning rice because I am all concentrated on a post I am writing here), I would need to be tested and retested all over in terms of psy-ops. LOL

[JoeNashville]

Even if Obama were impeached and removed from office, very likely before the next election, that doesn't mean anything would change in terms of policy. After all, there is no real policy difference so far between Bush and Obama.

It will take much more than replacing the PODUS for much change to occur.

But I'll keep my fingers crossed! :rolleyes:

[T Smith]

Okay. May give pause to consider moving from the "birther" camp to the "earther" camp.

[ponda]

I have to agree that obama signing 08 was very strange.My guess is that it's a sign of an external influence effecting him as in mind control.Nobody signs a three year old date next to their name...nobody except the president that it is.

Has he signed anything ELSE with a 2008 date recently ?????

Judging by the recently provided birth certificate these guys are fraudsters.

[GCS1103]

This is all pretty simple... The likely possibilities are:


Obama is not eligible to be the POTUS for any reason primarily falling into one of the categories below:

Long form birth certificate is fake. - outright fraud
Contemporary birth notices in newspapers were planned and staged in advance. - conspiracy decades in the making
New precedent is set in defining 'natural born citizen' (not a firm legal notion by any means). - tricky judicial maneuvering

Obama is eligible to be the POTUS.

Lucky for us this is primarily an either/or situation! Let's just get it out of the way for #2 and say that everything stays the same, including people offering up more allegations of #1.

As far as I know, no one knows exactly what would happen (procedurally) if #1 is true; it's not really spelled out in the Constitution for this precise issue. Maybe Joe Biden is sworn in, and that's it. Maybe Congress tries to reverse every law passed by his (and their!!) pens. Maybe special elections have to be held. Maybe we follow the impeachment process. All possible as I see it. So, by my reckoning, if #1 is somehow true, the Biden likely serves the remainder of Obama's term.

Where does that get anyone? Who here thinks there's an actual person in the USA today who could be an honest President? Who here thinks that Obama is a 'bad person' rather than someone who can't just do whatever we want him to? What about GWB before him? Does the same apply? What about every other 'democracy' on the planet? Think there's an honest one with any clout?

QUI BONO??

Who benefits from this fractured discourse?

Corsi is likely a paid agent provacateur (I know he's getting paid!). He's been trying unsuccessfully to hang something on Obama for many years now. If it wasn't Obama, it would be someone else; if not Corsi, then someone else. Names don't matter here; it's a pattern of action.

QUI BONO?

Who benefits when you're distracted by these shell games?

More importantly, who's injured when these games are hyped and repeated?

Disclaimer at the outset: This is entirely my intuitive position of what's going on here based on everything I know surrounding this issue.

Yes, Corsi is driven by partisan proclivities. It's fairly obvious. WND.com is a partisan website and Corsi is a staunch right-wing commentator. He has been critical of President Obama from the start (and of many other prominent figures in the Democratic Party before him) . As far as I know, Corsi never called out Boy W for his crimes against humanity in any of his investigative adventures. Nonetheless, he is still unveiling a valid issue, even if his motives are suspect. He may be a closet "racist" for all I know (as much as I hate to even introduce that can of worms). The point is, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. This is a legitimate issue, with legitimate facts, regardless of what Corsi is or who he represents.

No matter how the cards are stacked, this is also a critical issue for the reasons I outlined in my previous post, but also because this makes Barack Obama even more a sock puppet than he might be otherwise. I strongly suspect your option #1 is what is going on here. Every government and intelligence agency on Earth knows this. Even more troubling, the NWO/military industrial complex also knows this. The only "conspiracy" at play with the birth notices from 1961, if any, might be a familial conspiracy to procure citizenship for the newborn baby born in Africa. It's not a stretch to suppose cunning guardians would attempt to procure U.S. citizenship by going through whatever motions they had to, at the time, to make certain the baby would enjoy the privileges of a U.S. Citizen. This would include birth announcements in local papers and essentially registering via Hawaii's very lax certification of live birth procedure.

But more important than all this minutia is the fact that the issue is a gem and asset for the shawdowy powers dictating policy. Barack Obama is the most ideal POTUS. Perhaps this is why he was sponsored to begin with. And this is really why this is such an important issue, regardless of whether one subscribes to the "so what?" camp, or "what does uncovering this get anyone?" At any moment these powers can throw Obama under the bus with the Media on the payroll and vultures like Corsi growling just behind the fence. Obama is now being blackmailed. It seems apparent to me, given his erratic and very dubious leadership decisions 100% at odds with the Republic's interests and 100% at odds with the interests of the people of the United States and 100% at odds with the interests of people of the world.

The Security/Military-Industrial-Complex will protect their foot soldier, but only provided he does exactly as he's told. In short, the establishment is staving off the truth (not the White House), and Barack Obama is doing exactly as he is told. To put it bluntly: he is their cut-out Executive-in-Chief systemically dismantling the Republic on behalf of the NWO agenda while the public sleeps -- checking in with his superiors ever step along the way and following whatever orders befall him. Invading Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Pakistan, Iran... WWIII and an eventual conflict or nuclear exchange with China? False flag extra-terrestrial attack? Who knows? The point is, he will play whatever card the establishment tells him to play so long as this very unprecedented dilemma, which some merely view as a "distraction", is hanging over his head.

I could go on here, but I think I've made the point.

Beautifully said. I would like to add that the designation "Republican" and "Democrat" after a candidate's name is an illusion for the voting public. When the elections are over, they all sit together behind closed doors with their New World Order agenda trying to figure out how they can increase their personal bank books and power base. As George Carlin used to say "The s**t they shovel around every four years doesn't mean anything."

[T Smith]

Someone who momentarily lapses on the last three years has serious mental issues.

Really? So someone that writes the wrong date has 'serious mental issues' gimme a break!
[quote]

Allow me to adjudicate. It could mean he has serious mental issues, which is why it's important. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, which is why it's trivial.[quote]


[QUOTE]Knowing what we do about U.S. government use of time travel technology, the most plausible explanation to me is that when Obama signed the guest book, he had only just returned from 2008 and got mixed up about the year he was in.

Or, this is the younger Obama, brought forward, who slipped on the briefing he was given about 2011. It was just too automatic for him to write 2008.

Oh my......
Come on people, whats more likely that Obama simply Made a mistake with the date (we've all done it) or that he was returning from a secret time travel mission and thought he was still in 2008?
Who writes this crap?

*and i am no Obama fan i can assure you*

Cheers
Hurritt

I'm not too long on the time travel theory myself. But I'm somewhat sure this is more complicated that "he just made a mistake."

[andrewgreen]

I'm not too long on the time travel theory myself. But I'm somewhat sure this is more complicated that "he just made a mistake."[/QUOTE]

How can you be some what sure its more complicated than a mistake over something you admitted yourself was trivial?

Obama hasn't done much for the good of humanity in his time as president. I think this is right at the bottom of the pile for proof of him being compromised in some way.

[ponda]

andrewgreen said:

Obama hasn't done much for the good of humanity in his time as president. I think this is right at the bottom of the pile for proof of him being compromised in some way.


Everything that's presented to the public regarding the president is carefully scripted by a large team of image makers.This recent signing wasn't scripted.It's what might termed in poker as a 'tell'.

[T Smith]

I'm not too long on the time travel theory myself. But I'm somewhat sure this is more complicated that "he just made a mistake."


How can you be some what sure its more complicated than a mistake over something you admitted yourself was trivial?

Obama hasn't done much for the good of humanity in his time as president. I think this is right at the bottom of the pile for proof of him being compromised in some way.

To clarify: I said it may be trivial. It certainly is a possibility this is nothing more than a mistake. Personally, I don't believe it is trivial. You've put it perfectly. I feel it's more likely he's compromised in some way.

[jackovesk]

Corsi's Predictions on Trumps Reward for Conspiring with the Obama Administration comes True!



Trump’s role according to Corsi was to “beat the drums big” and craft a false resolution to the controversy in order to make the press “go to sleep” and get his $60 million dollar television contract with NBC, owned by General Electric, which is closely allied with the Obama administration.

...and now this


Illinois House approves Bill allowing Casino in Chicagoland...

Illinois House approves bill allowing casino in Chicago

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=984140555366&id=ac266202f01c49db4addba63662605fb&url=http%3a%2f%2fimages.politico.com%2fglobal%2fclick%2f110122_rahm_donald_283_ap_regular.jpg

CHICAGO (Reuters) - The Illinois House of Representatives on Monday passed a gambling expansion bill that would bring a Casino to Chicago.

The measure passed by a vote of 65-50.

New Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel supports having a casino in the city and urged the state's Senate to "act swiftly to pass this bill."

"A Chicago casino will spur local economic growth and provide jobs to Chicagoans, both needed to get our city moving again," Emanuel said in a statement.

The senate sponsor of the bill, Democratic Sen. Terry Link, said the senate already passed a version of the bill "a few times" so he expects it will pass again when the senate takes it up on Tuesday morning.

"I don't think the state's going to turn down an extra billion dollars a year in annual revenue, plus putting a lot of people to work," Link said, adding that he thinks Governor Pat Quinn, another Democrat, will "take a long hard look at this."

The bill will allow four additional casinos in Illinois and slot machines for racetracks and at Chicago's two airports.

The sponsor, Rep. Lou Lang, a Democrat, has said the legislation would generate $1.5 billion up front in licensing fees, plus $500 million to $1 billion in annual gambling revenues, according to published reports. The money could be used to pay down the state's bills.

Quinn is open to proposals to raise revenues and create jobs to protect funding for education, according to his spokeswoman, Annie Thompson.

"At this point we are monitoring that legislation," Thompson said.

Quinn has said he was open to a Chicago casino, but has expressed concerns about further gambling expansions.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/illinois-house-approves-bill-allowing-casino-chicago-022727088.html

[Maia Gabrial]

I'd say that the two of them have misjudged the American people... again. They're just fools that flock together.....
Maia

[ktlight]

FYI: I HAVE TO SAY THAT WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES


Introduction – What we are going to do here is take a look at Obama as a person with a disability, a mental illness. Seriously. Most of us are patriots, constitutionalists, sovereigns, etc. We have read numerous attacks on Obama constitutionally, legally and so forth. We are not psychologists or psychiatrists and do not interpret his actions within the scope of mental illness. Obama has been diagnosed as a mentally ill individual by several mental health care professionals. Of course this is difficult to do in a true professional sense since they do not have real physical access to this person. In spite of this these professionals have managed to illustrate a number of traits that are common to people suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This is an area we have not touched on. Instead we tend to focus on his handlers, secret organizations, black ops etc. I think the subject of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Obama is a credible one and needs to be looked at. I find this answers a lot of questions about Obama. He is more than just an imposter and a fraud. Basically he is full out nuts. He is also a lot more dangerous than one would think. Many of the cruel leaders in history have suffered from the same disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Like who? Well Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong and others. The reason I am pointing this out to you is to make you aware of how dangerous Obama really is. If you read through this you will see how delusional he really is. It will give you a sense of how these manipulative personality types frequently seek careers in politics. They tend to be good at public speaking, they are above average in intelligence and they frequently rise to the top in governments. The people wake up only when it is too late and the death and destruction has begun. Surprisingly many psychologists and psychiatrists are aware of this disorder and how it fits Obama quite well. I would guess since they are licensed by a government they might be a bit reluctant to go ahead and declare the President as a nutcase. In any event it is time we took a look at Obama as one that is severely mentally disturbed. Yes I am being serious. We need all the help we can get when confronted with a guy like Obama.

Recent Signs of His Mental Disability – In the last few days Obama was in the UK. Why I am not sure. The guy took 500 people with him. Imagine the bill for this. He even had the secret service change the window at his hotel suite for some special armored window. What an ego this guy must have. Well it is not an ego thing it is a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. To understand Obama, who he is, how he thinks, what is important to him and how he interacts behind the scenes we need to understand the Narcissistic Personality Disorder. First let me objectively show you he is not normal. This will set the stage for him being mentally ill and then we can focus in on the more precise nature of his mental illness. He went to Westminster Abbey and signed the guest book recently in the UK. He wrote the date in using 2008 as the year. Have you ever done that? He even asked someone what the date was and I assume they told him May 24th assuming he knew the year. Here is a link to document this for you and it is undisputed by the way:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tfaPhnQrsU


Now there are more documented incidents of bats in the belfry with this Kenyan imposter.

Here is a video shot during the Obama campaign where he says he has visited 57 states.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws


You see Obama's head is so full of his “cover” stories, lies, misrepresentations etc that he has trouble putting the pieces together. As you read on you will learn more about how to understand people who suffer from this disability.

Here is an another incident where he is appointing Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor (horrible choice) and references the constitution as going back 20 centuries. He is not playing with a full deck:

You see Obama's head is so full of his “cover” stories, lies, misrepresentations etc that he has trouble putting the pieces together. As you read on you will learn more about how to understand people who suffer from this disability.

Here is an another incident where he is appointing Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor (horrible choice) and references the constitution as going back 20 centuries. He is not playing with a full deck:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRhHqlzaG4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq2j74Zc0rA


No apology or correction was offered.

Next we see Obama refer to Austrian as if it is a language versus a nation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr7zhnctF4c


No apology or correction was offered.

Here we see Obama mix up the words piracy and privacy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t5HjJG4AQOQ


No apology or correction was offered.

There to watch Obama without his teleprompter. He talks about giving pediatric asthma patients a breathalyzer. The correct term is a nebulizer for asthma. A breathalyzer is used by police to determine blood alcohol levels in drivers.

Then Obama's reference the city of Eau Claire, WI as a state:

Michael Savage Head Shrinks the Kenyan Imposter – Michael Savage did a good job of showing the public that Obama is suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Here are some videos where he has a psychologist on his show to break it down for you. I will also break it down for you in writing further below, keep reading. Bear with the details at the end I will tie it together for you very nicely and show you where Obama is most likely headed. Obama is not necessarily going to get what he wants but it is good to understand what he is likely to be doing from a perspective of his mental illness. We need to treat this guy as seriously as Hitler in the 1940's since he is in the White House.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CQ7ivvFFFwU

source for more
http://www.panamalaw.org/getting_out_of_dodge_05-29-11.html

[Mad Hatter]

IIRC someone did a comparison of Bush juniors speaches from both early and late in his political career and viewed side by side the differences were remarkable to say the least. I've not seen it done for Clinton or others but I reckon the same thing may be evident. I therefore wonder if there is something in, about or around the Oval office that is having an effect on those who spend a lot of time in there!!

What are the odds of so many who achieve that office all having NPD..?.

[astrid]

not to mention this........

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[Flash]

Although the description of narcissistic personnality disorder is rather describing psychopathic disorder, but yet fondamentally right in terms of being mental disorder anyhow, I have real problems with the rest of the article and even some videos conclusion

It is full of false allegations and mostly false thinking and entirely false deductions (not even a thread of rational): thinking that one action could be describe as mental illness. Truly, if I follow the article, I may be sicker than what is described about Obama.

Example: his parents are from mixed race background and divorced when he was 2, making it a difficult childhood - leading to what? A jolt? Every child psy would tell you that it depends how care was given by whom, the important being strong relationships. Then The conclusion of the article therefore is wrong. His mother remarried, another jolt, he moved to Indonesia, a jolt, from that descritpion every child from parents working abroad that are divorced are psychopatic adults!!!! Does not make sense.

The article is so full of bs and facts put together that are irrelevant to each other, in my opinion, that it seems to describe more the mental state of the author thanthat of Obama.

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This is not to say that Obama is OK or right, or not OK or right, but I would have like to read something with substantiated evidence analysed through intelligent thinking. This article is completely out for me.

By the way, I do sometimes put wrong dates, even years, on checks, I do forget things, mostly when I am intensely stressed out, which I am sure a US president is yet much more under stressors than I will ever be. Does it makes me a psycho???

They even say in one video that the proof of narcissism is that he is asking for special windows in his hotel room and that he gave a video from US to British PM and that those do not work in Britain as a proof of self centered person. Well, little news here, he does not even know about these, it is not his job at all, it is all prepared by his unknowledgeable staff for the video and by his security staff for the window. Nothing to do with Obama at all.

This is BS article, believe this.

[christian]

IIRC someone did a comparison of Bush juniors speaches from both early and late in his political career and viewed side by side the differences were remarkable to say the least.

George Green in his interview with Bill & Kerry suggested, that was because he was replaced by an android.
http://projectcamelot.org/george_green.html

[Flash]

IIRC someone did a comparison of Bush juniors speaches from both early and late in his political career and viewed side by side the differences were remarkable to say the least.

George Green in his interview with Bill & Kerry suggested, that was because he was replaced by an android.
http://projectcamelot.org/george_green.html

Lets say it is possible for the sake of it. Then, an Android would have the right date, it would be programmed in, as it is for the computer I am presently writing with, wouldn't it?

How come did Obama signed with the wrong date then? I personnally think we just had to do here with a very tired fellow, under intense stress.

[king anthony]

You see Obama's head is so full of...

...he is appointing Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor (horrible choice) and references the constitution as going back 20 centuries. He is not playing with a full deck:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRhHqlzaG4

The math concludes he actually may be correct... or closer to the truth.

[Flash]

You see Obama's head is so full of...

...he is appointing Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor (horrible choice) and references the constitution as going back 20 centuries. He is not playing with a full deck:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRhHqlzaG4

The math concludes he actually may be correct... or closer to the truth.

Yes, we are talking about the basis of democratic constitution written in Greece and Rome, 2000 years ago.

[Sniffity]

You see Obama's head is so full of...

...he is appointing Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor (horrible choice) and references the constitution as going back 20 centuries. He is not playing with a full deck:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRhHqlzaG4

The math concludes he actually may be correct... or closer to the truth.

Can i ask what the math is? cant find it anywhere

[king anthony]

Can i ask what the math is? cant find it anywhere

A century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century) is 100 years multiplied by 20 years (based on the words spoken) = 2000 years.

[christian]

IIRC someone did a comparison of Bush juniors speaches from both early and late in his political career and viewed side by side the differences were remarkable to say the least.

George Green in his interview with Bill & Kerry suggested, that was because he was replaced by an android.
http://projectcamelot.org/george_green.html

Lets say it is possible for the sake of it. Then, an Android would have the right date, it would be programmed in, as it is for the computer I am presently writing with, wouldn't it?

How come did Obama signed with the wrong date then? I personnally think we just had to do here with a very tired fellow, under intense stress.

Let's say that as well is possible for the sake of it.
Does your computer always work perfectly well?
George Green is also referring to the android's malfunctions.

I personally don't believe anything, everything is possible, I just gather all the information.

I think the following video could relate to the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzghbUlLeP4
On a topic as far out as this I don't draw conclusions because I don't see the necessity for doing so, I let these things unfold and I gather the information merely to expand my view on all the possibilities.

[The One]

Is Obama a Psychopath

Well every president before him was so he wont be any different.He's a muppet on a string just like the rest of them.

[sunnyrap]

It occurred to me recently that our whole governance system depends on people willing to take positions of governance. It follows that people who have a sense of entitlement, even narcissism are the ones most likely to run for office...i.e., people probably less mentally-emotionally developed than your typical happy citizen who prizes sovreignty and self-direction, would find it distasteful/undesirable to make decisions for anyone but himself.

Also, even if you were able to draft such a person to office to serve, like a doctor with years of service to the ER, even though he may have started out on a high moral basis, he would gradually become enured to other's needs and even suffering because the crush of responsibility would be too huge to maintain your connection to it.

In short, it may well be past time to create a better system....

[GlassSteagallfan]

Is Obama a Psychopath? Yes. He is.

Time to inject the LaRouche Political Action Committee which has been calling for the removal of Obama under section 4 of the 25th Amendment (mental illness). See the website for many video updates, including the most recent 'While you were sleeping' series, where Obama, in Britian, says the Constitution was developed through common law.

Link: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/18315

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/rexrex166/Other%20Pics/obama2.jpg

[firstlook]

IMO its a case of cognitive dissonance. Its not whether he living up to others people standards, but in fact he is lying to himself about things. Multiply that with pressure from every which way. IDK, all I can say is there is a quote I would tell Obama if I ever had the chance to talk with him.

"Sometimes, a man can meet his destiny on the road he took to avoid it."- The International

[firstlook]

It occurred to me recently that our whole governance system depends on people willing to take positions of governance. It follows that people who have a sense of entitlement, even narcissism are the ones most likely to run for office...i.e., people probably less mentally-emotionally developed than your typical happy citizen who prizes sovreignty and self-direction, would find it distasteful/undesirable to make decisions for anyone but himself.

Also, even if you were able to draft such a person to office to serve, like a doctor with years of service to the ER, even though he may have started out on a high moral basis, he would gradually become enured to other's needs and even suffering because the crush of responsibility would be too huge to maintain your connection to it.

In short, it may well be past time to create a better system....

I would agree. I have heard many stories about people starting off with their core values intact but just could not live up to the challenges. I understand in a way when you consider what "authority" has become in government. Greed and Safety are the factors in which dictate most politics. Both are reactionary and leave progress at the door.

Stefan Molyneux is someone I have been listening to lately. I think he generally has a firm grasp on the basic problems that will always develop when you rely on "authority". His views on government I agree with.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQVA8DK2Q2g


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_k93op7_Pc&feature=related

[ktlight]

Firstlook, thank you for introducing Stefan Molyneux.

[varuna]

...I agree, that he looks tired and probably doesnt know what country he is in half the time. I think he has changed since he entered the oval office though...the reality of what and whom he is dealing with?

[jackovesk]

Is Obama a Psychopath?

YES!

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/may2011/270511feature2.jpg

http://forums.randi.org/customavatars/avatar13004_62.gif

[jackovesk]

22-page criminal complaint with the FBI on Obama!

This is the first of three articles on the criminal complaint that scanner-expert Doug Vogt filed last week with the FBI.

An international expert on scanners and document-imaging software filed a 22-page criminal complaint with the FBI, charging that the long-form birth certificate released by the White House is criminally fraudulent.

"What the Obama administration released is a PDF image that they are trying to pass off as a Certificate of Live Birth Long Form printed on green security paper by the Hawaiian Health Department," Doug Vogt writes, "but this form is a created forgery."

http://www.wnd.com/images/100316obamawhitehouse.jpg

Vogt's criminal complaint asserts: "I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011, is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs, and the creation of this forgery of a public document constitutes a class B felony in Hawaii and multiple violations under U.S. Code section Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 47, Sec.1028, and therefore an impeachable offense."

When the Obama birth certificate "forgery" comes to the public's attention, Vogt continues, "It will surpass all previous scandals including the Watergate scandal of the Nixon administration."

Since 1993, Vogt has owned Archive Index Systems Inc., in Bellevue, Wash., a company that sells a wide variety of document scanners worldwide and develops document imaging software.

Before that, Vogt owned Nova Typesetting for 11 years.

Read more: Criminal complaint charges Obama birth record 'forged'
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=305705

Obama doubts surge, 'back on national stage'

CNN credits Corsi book for pushing birth certificate back into headlines

A CNN report is crediting Jerome Corsi's "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President," a New York Times best-seller, with pushing the issue over Obama's qualifications under the Constitution's requirements for presidents back into headlines.

CNN readers were outraged that the story even was reported.

"Will the silliness never stop?" wrote one, called "Ferret out the B.S.," "Not (sic) matter what twist somewon (sic) puts on the issue, the guy's legit."

"Sad pathetic people. Just mad that the guy in the WHITE House ain't WHITE," accused "Tam."

"I am starting to dislike CNN very much. They are the main ones keeping this Birther mess alive. By CNN I am done with you as of toda. (sic) I refuse to follow the birthers and Sara (sic) Palin and this seems to be the main story for CNN," said "GL."

And "forget to mention?" repeated a falsehood fabricated by Esquire and posted as "news," "200,000 copies of the first draft of this book were mysteriously recalled and shredded by the publisher."

Read more: Obama doubts surge, 'back on national stage'
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=305673

Kenya probed claim Obama born in Africa

Internal intelligence reports indicate government investigation

Internal government documents indicate Barack Obama's step-grandmother was interviewed several times by agents of Kenya's National Security Intelligence Service to investigate reports that she claimed the president was born in the East African nation.

As WND reported, although no proof has surfaced placing Barack Obama's mother in Kenya at the time of the president's birth, a taped telephone conversation in which step-grandmother Sarah Hussein Obama purportedly claimed he was born in the coastal city of Mombasa has become an Internet sensation since its submission in a lawsuit challenging the president's eligibility.

Philip J. Berg, a former Pennsylvania deputy attorney general, included a transcript of the taped Oct. 16, 2008, telephone interview and sworn affidavits in a filing with the U.S. Supreme Court after lower courts dismissed as frivolous his Aug. 21, 2008, complaint alleging Obama was born in Mombasa.

Read more: Kenya probed claim Obama born in Africa
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=303053

'Birther' book soars

http://cnnpoliticalticker.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/head-shot-1.jpg?w=28 By: CNN Associate Producer Gabriella Schwarz

(CNN) – A new book, now number six on the New York Times' Best Sellers list, is putting the so-called "birther" issue back on the national stage.

"Where's the Birth Certificate?" by Jerome Corsi, which debuted on the list out Sunday, argues President Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore cannot be president.

"Corsi demonstrates conclusively that no legal authority has ever verified Obama's legal eligibility to be president," the book reads.

Corsi also wrote "The Obama Nation" and "Unfit for Command," a 2004 book about Sen. John Kerry that focused on the "Swift Boat" television ads.

The "birther" controversy was front-and-center earlier this year, as billionaire businessman and real estate mogul Donald Trump repeatedly discussed the issue while considering a run for the White House. President Obama ultimately released the long-form version of his birth certificate that shows he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Soon after, Trump announced he would not make a bid for the GOP presidential nomination.

Despite the president's actions, 17 percent of Americans think the president was definitely or probably not born in the U.S., according to a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll taken after the president's announcement.

The survey showed a drop from the March poll numbers when 25 percent of those surveyed said the president was definitely or probably not born in America.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/31/birther-book-soars/#more-161615

[Flash]

From firstlook: I would agree. I have heard many stories about people starting off with their core values intact but just could not live up to the challenges. I understand in a way when you consider what "authority" has become in government. Greed and Safety are the factors in which dictate most politics

What if instead of pure greed and safety it was safety, avoiding to have his daughters killed? I am sure it is pending over his head. Although he may also be part of the whole gimmick, who knows. My point is we don't know, we really don't, and when it is like that, i reserve my judgment and observe as Chiquetet said as well in a post above.

[firstlook]

Firstlook, thank you for introducing Stefan Molyneux.

no problem. Plenty of material to watch. ;)

[firstlook]

From firstlook: I would agree. I have heard many stories about people starting off with their core values intact but just could not live up to the challenges. I understand in a way when you consider what "authority" has become in government. Greed and Safety are the factors in which dictate most politics

What if instead of pure greed and safety it was safety, avoiding to have his daughters killed? I am sure it is pending over his head. Although he may also be part of the whole gimmick, who knows. My point is we don't know, we really don't, and when it is like that, i reserve my judgment and observe as Chiquetet said as well in a post above.

yeah, to be honest I get tired just thinking of the environment in which politics is involved. So many interests are without a doubt using force on the less ambitious. Its hard sometimes to not just group them together and say to hell with them all. But every once in a while you see how its never black and white, good vs. evil in a clear cut way. Choices are made everyday mostly to keep power and have influence. As for the safety of his family......I just dont think there is much he can do but roll over. He would have to take a giant leap in philosophy and become more transparent then any other leader in history, enough to make people around him want to protect what he stands for. Doubtful, but its important that he understands this is the only option if he wants to serve the people in any lasting way.

I guess the real issue above all else is in transparency of of the system. Thats Why I support people who like looking into things. I dont hold the belief that its fighting "them" but more so just exposing unsustainable ideas and structures that are created because of said programs. "truth" is indeed the only tool we have. It not only benefits us but those who are in the mix aswell.

At least IMO. Like you, its hard to gage what will happen on a specific individual level because things are just still too secret. I guess we'll have to keep observing and show them politicians how to connect and serve others in the right way. ;)

Peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

he filed it with the attorney General in Florida, not the FBI and that is just the beginning...

anyone that wants to see the rest of Vogts mistakes they are laid out nicely at conspiracy (http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/reply-to-douglas-vogt/)


Step by step analysis

What I expected was to read things that a document imaging expert should know, laced with demonstration of technical savvy on the internal workings of a PDF document. What I found was a fly-speck tour of the pixels in the image with assumptions worthy of Dr. Ron Polarik. In fact, Vogt is mainly just repeating the crank ideas of other birthers. Real experts on PDF’s have pronounced the Obama long form normal (Krawetz, Fox News, National Review) and I don’t need to re-plow that ground. What I’m going to do in the next section is to point out what any technically savvy person should be able to see for themselves.

I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011 is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs.

That’s the first sentence from Vogt, and we have already seen that it’s wrong. The PDF was created by Mac OS X 10.6.7 PDFContext. Not an auspicious way to start. He admits that he doesn’t know which of the two programs created the document. If he can’t tell which one, how does he know it was either — and in fact it was neither. No Adobe program created the long form PDF...

[Dorok]

If it is correct that he cannot be a natural born citizen by the piece of law that says that the mother must be a US resident for 5 years after her 14th birthday (not my argument), then why would anyone forge a birth certificate? One or both is false.

[Rocky_Shorz]

that is if he was born outside of the country so in reality doesn't affect anything...

In Birther, it means everything... lol

[Maia Gabrial]

I REALLY hope Vogt succeeds . People NEED to see the truth. :frusty:
Maia

[Rocky_Shorz]

he is a moron,

how can anyone claim to have analyzed how an image was created when he doesn't even have a clue what software was used to produce it?

here at Avalon, we are truth seekers and I was more interested to see what was holding people under this mind control, and the sad part is I found what I didn't want to know...

This has nothing to do with truths...


Abarr said the election of President Barack Obama prompted him to get back into politics.

"I think that the fact Obama got elected shows that the white people are starting to lose their political power," said Abarr, who last week filed the paperwork to let him start raising money. "I am running to draw attention to the fact that white people are becoming a minority and losing our political power and way of life."

Abarr, who has previously backed the notion of "deporting non-whites back to their homeland," said he no longer organizes for the KKK but is still on its mailing list. He wants a flat income tax and said he chose to run as a Republican because of the party's fiscal policies.

Republicans who actively undermined Abarr's 2002 campaign again rebuked him as a racist. Former Congressman Rick Hill said Republicans were founded on freedom, liberty and equal opportunity.

"There's no room for racism in our party," said Hill, who is considered a front-runner for governor in 2012. "That is not what we are about, and we have never been about that."... KKK Republican Candidate (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_KKK_CANDIDATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-01-18-01-46)

until now...

[loveandgratitude]

Pastor Manning was one of the very first to bring this issue to the attention of the people. He has been a tireless citizen to bring truth and facts to the surface. Remember he had the "citizens trial" and brought forth 2,000 witnesses, documents etc. These are now public documents. They are as follows -

Day 1 of the Manning trial of Barack Obama in Harlem, New York is now history.
Observers from all over the world and from various states were in attendance, including persons from Germany, Canada, Hawaii, California, Texas, North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida.

Today's activities were primarily preliminary--the march around Columbia University, the questioning and selection of the jury, and opening remarks by Dr. Manning.

The trial begins in earnest tomorrow.

A synopsis of Day 1 can be found at The Conservative Monster, where you will also find photos from the event. Here is an excerpt from the report:

The indictment was handed down via a grand jury and the subpoenas were refused by Columbia University and the Obama administration according to the testimony.

Indictment alleges:

1. Columbia Univ. and Obama conspired to defraud and commit wire fraud and mail fraud

2. Columbia Univ. knowingly concealed the fact that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen

3. Columbia Univ. aided in obstructing justice

4. Obama fraudulently obtained office of the POTUS gaining access to sensitive materials, posing a danger to national security.

5. The prosecution dropped the charges of treason and espionage to avoid complications with a death sentence.

Follow this story -

http://wakeup2010.blogspot.com/2010/05/day-1-report-on-manning-trial-of-barack.html

http://theconservativemonster.com/2010/05/14/day-one-of-the-obama-columbia-university-trial.aspx

[Rocky_Shorz]

yeah there is a radical preacher of love for you...

one of his last videos he called Obama's mom white trash...

Hatred is a central part of this issue...

for those interested in truths about Columbia University...

http://images.usatoday.com/Wires2Web/20080515/3144401415_Young_Obama_x-large.jpg

In this undated file photo released by Obama for America, shows a Barack Obama with his grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham on a park bench in New York City, when Obama was a student at Columbia University.


Although Barack Obama may not have been particularly social or memorable during his years at Columbia, it isn't true that "no one ever came forward from Obama's past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc." Those who have attested to having daily personal experience with him during his time at that school include:

Friend and roommate Sohale Siddiqi, whom the Associated Press located and interviewed (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-05-15-3144401415_x.htm) in May 2008.

Roommate Phil Boerner, who provided his recollections of sharing a New York City apartment with classmate Barack Obama to the Columbia College Today alumni publication and the New York Times in early 2009.

Michael L. Baron, who taught the year-long honors seminar in American Foreign Policy that Barack Obama took during his senior year at Columbia and recalled in an NBC interview Obama's "easily acing" the class and receiving an A for his senior paper on the topic of nuclear negotiations with the Soviet Union.

Likewise, other external evidence documents Barack Obama's presence at Columbia from 1981-83, including:

An article by Barack Obama published in the 10 March 1983 edition of Columbia's Sundial school magazine... link (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp)

[loveandgratitude]

It would seem that Pastor Manning may be a little fired up when calling Obama's mother white trash, I think he means CIA MK Ultra Sex slave, and also an CIA agent stirring up trouble in Indonesia, giving names to the CIA for extermination etc. The truth about Stanley Dunham is worth a read. If you want more information it is available on another thread about Obama.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Obama's mom traveled around to small villages helping women get micro financed to start businesses...

it is one thing to be mad at the man, which is part of taking the position, but Obama's mama who spent years helping the poor?


I can tell you this, that preacher of hatred would not want me to share what I see in his past... ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

but then again I see it is already all over Youtube...


Paster Manning BRAGS about raping 12 year-old girl and abandoning his wife

did I ever mention how much I hate Pedoviles?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbFA0iAMwE

[loveandgratitude]

Interesting...........I have been following Obama for the last 7 years. Even before anyone heard of him, many people were waving RED FLAGS. I was telling people that he was a fraud, even when he went up for election. Nobody believed me.

One of the very first was Sherman Shollick. The greatest detective who ever lived. He was mudered. Many many people came forward to tell a very different story than the one you have been told. Her history was traced back to her attending a JESUIT school in Turkey at one time know for turning out MK ULTRA'S. To be honest, I do not even think she is his mother. Where did he come from?

Many speculations, could even be out of a test tube in China Lake for all we know. All we do know is that we know nothing about his past.

What do you know about Pastor Manning. I must say I have always liked this guy. I have a very good sense for people, their language, body language etc, he is funny and a bit qwacky but seems to be sincere. Anyways, its good to bring all information to the table for close scrunity.
Many blessing to you.

[DoubleHelix]

Well this is a shame.. For the supreme court to take this seriously Douglas Vogt's case would have to be meticulous and with out flaw.

Even on a minor technicality it will get thrown out. Not to mention this has been tried back in 2008 before his inauguration.

This guy's story has more holes than swiss cheese.

[jackovesk]

Corsi Explains FBI Criminal Complaint About Obama's Forged Birth Certificate - 6/1/11


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML_OfxWTgxs

[ktlight]

Obama doubts surge, 'back on national stage'
CNN credits Corsi book for pushing birth certificate back into headlines

A CNN report is crediting Jerome Corsi's "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President," a New York Times best-seller, with pushing the issue over Obama's qualifications under the Constitution's requirements for presidents back into headlines.

CNN readers were outraged that the story even was reported.

"Will the silliness never stop?" wrote one, called "Ferret out the B.S.," "Not (sic) matter what twist somewon (sic) puts on the issue, the guy's legit."

"Sad pathetic people. Just mad that the guy in the WHITE House ain't WHITE," accused "Tam."

"I am starting to dislike CNN very much. They are the main ones keeping this Birther mess alive. By CNN I am done with you as of toda. (sic) I refuse to follow the birthers and Sara (sic) Palin and this seems to be the main story for CNN," said "GL."

And "forget to mention?" repeated a falsehood fabricated by Esquire and posted as "news," "200,000 copies of the first draft of this book were mysteriously recalled and shredded by the publisher."

(Story continues below)
source
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=305673

[The One]

7861


I will be back


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I am what i am

[Seikou-Kishi]

I know this is hardly the point, but I hate seeing his ungainly wife all over the place

[Sniffity]

Can i ask what the math is? cant find it anywhere

A century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century) is 100 years multiplied by 20 years (based on the words spoken) = 2000 years.

Duh... thanks for that I think I had a bit of a daft moment, didn't pick up on the fact that the math included the century. x

[jimbojp]

I know this is hardly the point, but I hate seeing his ungainly wife all over the place

I recently had the displeasure of watching Mrs Obama on tv giving a speech to Oxford students, utter BS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKl8iMLeU7M

[Seikou-Kishi]

Vacuous and empty. I completely agree Jimbojp. In one of my other posts, I called her and the children a "transparent distraction". This video is superlative proof.

[jackovesk]

he is a moron,


Who is a Moron Rocky_Shorz and WHY?

Who's Telling the TRUTH and Who's Lying Rocky_Shorz?

[Rocky_Shorz]

go ahead and have your fun, it is what it is...

I thought I would take a moment to ground the readers to truth so go ahead and spin away, I have better things to worry about right now than convincing the un-convincable... ;)

[Mulder]

My research found that the number of the first birth certificate (that was first given by Obama - not the latest one) was incorrect, because the number was larger than other births at his hospital that happened a few days later (ie, the machine that numbered the certificates went back in time - which is impossible). Since this number was on the first birth certificate, it HAD to be on this latest one!!

This is the key that showed me his certificate was false - not to mention everything else like his grand mother saying he was born in Kenya...

[firstlook]

I actually think she was talking to those kids like they were adults. Thats kind of interesting in my book.

[jackovesk]

go ahead and have your fun, it is what it is...

I thought I would take a moment to ground the readers to truth so go ahead and spin away, I have better things to worry about right now than convincing the un-convincable... ;)

Good for you Rocky,

I am searching for the Truth aswell, its easy to point the finger without backing it up without any clear evidence and try and take the Moral High Ground at the same time.

If you trying to convince me that Obama has nothing to hide? Well if you honestly believe that? I don't believe you!

Good for you...

:clap2:

[ktlight]

FYI:


Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has blasted US President Barack Obama over his failure to fulfill the pledges of change in the United States.


Romney, who eyes the Republican candidacy for US president in 2012, said in a speech in New Hampshire on Thursday that Obama has disappointed American people as he was not able to deliver on his promises of change and modification of federal spending and unemployment, AFP reported.

The multi-millionaire Republican businessman claimed that if he is elected president, he will turn the country into the biggest job creator ever.

Romney made the comments upon beginning the presidential campaign in the state of New Hampshire, an important early-voting state which is expected to hold its primary election to pick a candidate in February 2012.

During his speech, Romney said that, by electing Obama, Americans gave a chance to a newcomer nobody knew anything about before, but the president could not live up to his vows.

"Barack Obama has failed America," Romney said to the audience.

Romney's Thursday announcement marks the second time he will be running for the Republican nomination.

He lost the party's 2008 nomination race to Arizona Senator John McCain and has spent the four intervening years building support within the party and preparing for the 2012 presidential election.

According to political analysts, Romney's biggest problem is that as governor of Massachusetts, he introduced a type of compulsory health insurance which looks very similar to Obama's health insurance policies, also loathed by most Republicans.

source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/182970.html

[New Dawn]

He was destined to not live up to his promises. I think a lot of the sleeping people in particular, felt that we were going through a cool change (I did too at the time tbh), because of his colour, which in itself represented a change. But it doesn't matter at the end of the day what colour the puppet is, or indeed, what colour anyone is. I wonder who really pulls a presidents strings?

[Lord Sidious]

Yeah, because the republiscams are better than the scamocrats.
Not.

[crosby]

this is how it starts..... whomever decides that 'he' or 'she' would be a better presidential puppet representative starts by calling the old one out. starts pointing out all the lies, all the promises broken, etc. then the race is on. but it is contrived and based on what do the sleepers want to hear today? what catch phrase can i spout that will make them all adore me and follow me around like a king?

it's kind of like grimm's fairy tales. you always want the 'good' prince too win, realizing all too late that in the end, the prince is just an ogre in disguise. if obama is defeated for re-selection, it will be because the ptw recognize a newer, better model of deceit that the sleepers will follow.

how refreshing it would be too see an honest man, stand up, and begin the slow take back of our future here in america. i think it will be very interesting to see the final results.
regards, corson

[ktlight]

Two former Egyptian ministers are to face trial for selling natural gas to Israel at a low price. Sameh Fahmi and Mahmud Latif along with some others, are accused of costing the North African nation over 700 million dollars in losses because of exporting gas to Israel at a price lower than international rates, jeopardizing their own nation's interests.

More than a month after saboteurs blew up an Egyptian pipeline supplying natural gas to Israel, the line is repaired but gas is not flowing and foreign shareholders of the company suspect politics to be the reason. They are threatening legal action against Egypt.

Explosions damaged an Egyptian natural gas pipeline in February, above, and April. Despite successful repairs, deliveries to Israel have not resumed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tGcPQAC6XlE

source
http://islamist.com/p227413-obama-offers-egypt-b-to-continue.cfm

[New Dawn]

how refreshing it would be too see an honest man, stand up, and begin the slow take back of our future here in america. i think it will be very interesting to see the final results.
regards, corson

An honest man would be a dead man, they'd never let it happen. We just need to all stop voting and the whole thing will begin to crumble. Why vote when they're all as bad as each other, and at the end of the day, working for the same puppet master.

That's it, I'm going to the cafe, then I'm gonna listen to master of puppets....

[Lord Sidious]

It looks like they are setting up the next round.
They are stirring the nations surrounding israel.
This isn't good.

[ktlight]

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0u9J00HM1I

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNRwKCSMUng
source

[MargueriteBee]

Links please, can't see embeds on an iPad.

[ktlight]

Links please, can't see embeds on an iPad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0u9J00HM1I&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNRwKCSMUng&feature=watch_response

[MargueriteBee]

Thank you for the links.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I already pointed out the last fake African birth certificate was created by a convicted felon, for forgery... ;)

he added perjury and another forgery charges that could actually turn into treason.

sounds like a great source to me... lol

now the same person responsible for starting the birther... might be connected to the deadly e coli outbreak in Europe?

now, what would you rather I concentrate on?

[Maia Gabrial]

Seems like David Icke knows more about what's going on in the US than Americans do....
Maia

[tcjim1]

Thanks ktlight for the post, if your eyes are not open to the truth, these videos will give you something to think about.

[Snowbird]

This one I can support. If you agree, please open the link and add your name. :happy:

President Obama: Appoint Elizabeth Warren to Lead the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

http://act.boldprogressives.org/sign/gwa_warren/?source=gwa-mgr-i2&gclid=CN-dzPH7nKkCFUW8KgodJHkyvQ

[ktlight]

FYI:


Crossing party lines to deliver a stunning rebuke to the commander in chief, the vast majority of the House voted Friday for resolutions telling President Obama he has broken the constitutional chain of authority by committing U.S. troops to the international military mission in Libya.

In two votes — on competing resolutions that amounted to legislative lectures of Mr. Obama — Congress escalated the brewing constitutional clash over whether he ignored the founding document’s grant of war powers by sending U.S. troops to aid in enforcing a no-fly zone and naval blockade of Libya.

The resolutions were non-binding, and only one of them passed, but taken together, roughly three-quarters of the House voted to put Mr. Obama on notice that he must explain himself or else face future consequences, possibly including having funds for the war cut off.

“He has a chance to get this right. If he doesn’t, Congress will exercise its constitutional authority and make it right,” said House Speaker John A. Boehner, the Ohio Republican who wrote the resolution that passed, 268-145, and sets a two-week deadline for the president to deliver the information the House is seeking.

Minutes after approving Mr. Boehner’s measure, the House defeated an even more strongly-worded resolution offered by Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Ohio Democrat, that would have insisted the president begin a withdrawal of troops.

Most lawmakers said that was too rash at this point, and said they wanted to give Mr. Obama time to comply. Some also said immediate withdrawal would leave U.S. allies in the lurch.

The Kucinich resolution failed 148-265. In a telling signal, 87 Republicans voted for Mr. Kucinich’s resolution — more than the 61 Democrats that did.

Still, taken together, 324 members of Congress voted for one resolution or both resolutions, including 91 Democrats, or nearly half the caucus. The size of the votes signals overwhelming discontent with Mr. Obama’s handling of the constitutional issues surrounding the Libya fight.

Asked about the votes beforehand, the White House said it believes it is following the law by alerting Congress of its intentions regarding Libya, and called the resolutions “unnecessary and unhelpful.”

“We’ve continued to consult with Congress all along,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest, pointing to briefings Mr. Obama and his top aides have given to members of Congress at various times before and during the deployment of troops.

But members of Congress said the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution require more than alerts about military action — they require congressional approval, which the White House has not sought.

The Constitution gives the power to declare war to Congress, but the power to manage the armed forces to the president. The War Powers Resolution, enacted in 1973, tries to bridge that gap by allowing the president to commit troops for up to 60 days, but requires him to seek congressional approval if he wants to extend the commitment beyond that period.

source to read more
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/3/bipartisan-congress-rebuffs-obama-libya-mission/

[Maia Gabrial]

Well, finally Congress is doing something besides collecting a check....
Maia

[ktlight]

FYI:


Big Brother got even bigger under the first "Brotha" president, Barack Obama. Government also became even more secretive. "The Obama Justice Department says that only the executive branch has the power to determine what information courts ought to have" – a novel doctrine that wreaks havoc with the rights of people accused of crimes, especially whistleblowers. The death of Osama bin Laden, says Obama’s Attorney General, makes the Patriot Act even more vital to national security. "Perhaps we were better off when bin Laden was still alive."


"The Obama administration is once again protecting the Bush abuses which its supporters thought would now be long gone."
The state security apparatus which came into being during the Bush administration is now supported just as strongly, if not more so, under president Barack Obama. There has been no let up, no change in course for a system which becomes stronger with each passing day and which faces almost no political opposition.
The Obama justice department recently asserted that it can withhold classified information from a federal judge. Federal judges have security clearances and are permitted to see classified information in cases brought before them. The Obama justice department says that only the executive branch has the power to determine what information courts ought to have. The government attorney asserted, "There is no right for the plaintiff to give the court classified information at all." The federal judge was so stunned that she described herself as "literally speechless" over the government claim that she ought to be kept in the dark.

source for more to read
http://uruknet.info/?p=m78347&hd=&size=1&l=e

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQFM-vUuL0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQFM-vUuL0&feature=player_embedded

[Snowbird]

I already pointed out the last fake African birth certificate was created by a convicted felon, for forgery... ;)

You most certainly did not!


he added perjury and another forgery charges that could actually turn into treason.

sounds like a great source to me... lol

Source please.


now the same person responsible for starting the birther... might be connected to the deadly e coli outbreak in Europe?

What? Source please.


now, what would you rather I concentrate on?

Sources.

I've noticed something Rocky. You have a tendency to throw out wild unsubstantiated claims without any sources. You just throw them out there and then disappear, like the reader is suppose to believe whatever Rocky writes...just because.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well it is something you need to get use to hanging around psychics that can find unwritten truths, but when I post a copy of the arrest warrant and explanation of the criminals involved and you ignore it, well it really isn't my fault you are still a birther that ignores truth...

I told you to spin away, I just joined the argument to look into all of your heads to see who is spinning these stories and found the source.

not upset with any of you, just the clown that started it all...

[TWINCANS]

well it is something you need to get use to hanging around psychics that can find unwritten truths, but when I post a copy of the arrest warrant and explanation of the criminals involved and you ignore it, well it really isn't my fault you are still a birther that ignores truth...

I told you to spin away, I just joined the argument to look into all of your heads to see who is spinning these stories and found the source.

not upset with any of you, just the clown that started it all...


A psychic. Interesting. Did you do a journey to see the forgery or the forger? Did you use the techniques of the military-trained CRV'ers? Or did you hear a message? From who, your guide? There are many energies at work at this time from many dimensions and I personally have been 'messed with' once or twice, enough to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. So there is even among the psychic messagers, room for questions about sources.

[Rocky_Shorz]

nope I had my daughter's best friend kidnapped and murdered by a pedovile, I asked God for help finding her along with other children, and it happened, angels are beside everyone, and I can ask any for info, not the military stare at a goat abilities that some have... ;)

many messages are passed along cryptically, like Atticus's Avatar on February 14th, with the 2 dead crows and a shield...

now it makes sense to everyone...

[TWINCANS]

nope I had my daughter's best friend kidnapped and murdered by a pedovile, I asked God for help finding her along with other children, and it happened, angels are beside everyone, and I can ask any for info, not the military stare at a goat abilities that some have... ;)

many messages are passed along cryptically, like Atticus's Avatar on February 14th, with the 2 dead crows and a shield...

now it makes sense to everyone...


What a horrible experience for your family to live through. Tragic. I am glad that you feel satisfaction in the discovery as a minor resolution to the matter.

But how can you be sure of the mechanism by which this came about? Do you not think that the children themselves and their own guides were operating to arrive at the same discovery by authorities? How about your guide, or guides? In addition, humans have the ability to send a part of themselves out as a type of feeler and you could very well have guided yourself. Your emotional body was highly activated and so was undoubtedly sent out subconsciously. The emotional body's electric field attracts events.

While the angelic kingdom is very busy helping, and indeed are stretched given the needs today, they are often the go-to explanation for much simpler reasons for miracles. ie our personal guides. Depending on our Higher Self and our chosen path, these guides theselves can range in abilities too, from human-like to Archangel-powerful.

So not only are events complicated, finding the explanation is itself a massive learning experience.


BTW We have some personal experience with Coordinate Remote Viewing and the results can be amazing, including time travel both backwards and forwards. You too quickly dismiss the fact that all people can be trained to use inate human extrasensory abilities. Not to be ridiculed but explored.

[Rocky_Shorz]

it was different depending on what I knew, some suspects I could look into and find clues, like looking into the future to see what they are convicted of and knowing the "smoking gun" that cracked the case. Back then most came in dreams which seemed more detailed, and my guide would bring me to the info in different ways, sometimes talking to the children, other times the location. It was a pretty painful battle but I realized I had the gifts that could help and used them.

Thankfully kids stopped disappearing...

now messages come while typing, just flowing through my fingers at times. Like mentioning why I don't like Pedoviles, which I normally wouldn't talk about but knew the moment I looked at him he hasn't been forgiven yet for hurting a child... I found the clip of him confessing to raping a 12 year old child after I had "known"

to me seeing the criminals behind discrediting Obama through the Birther and other avenue are not ones you would allow in your house or around your children...

[TWINCANS]

So like all of us, you use the term angels symbolically. That's clear now.

As to your sightings of the people behind this Birther movement, please share more if you can. Do you see them as et's or tptb cabal members or just plain chancers or what?

[ktlight]

FYI:


US House Speaker John Boehner has asked President Barack Obama to either end US mission in Libya or seek congressional authorization for continuing operations beyond June 19.



“It would appear that in five days, the administration will be in violation of the War Powers Resolution unless it asks for and receives authorization from Congress or withdraws all US troops and resources from the mission (in Libya), Boehner said in a letter on Tuesday.

Boehner, a Republican, asked Obama to explain the legal grounds for further operations in Libya by Friday, June 17, Reuters reported.

The 1973 War Powers Resolution provides that US armed forces cannot remain in military actions over 60 days-with a further 30-day withdrawal period-- without getting consent from the Congress.

Earlier this month, the House voted to censure Obama for not seeking congressional approval and accused the president of not providing a “compelling rationale” for the military campaign in Libya. The House's resolution also demanded information about costs and scope of the mission.


The Obama administration had said it provided answers regarding the Libya mission at various briefings in the House. However, the White House pledged last week to respond to detailed questions on the issue within the deadline.

The US plays a significant role in the NATO-led operations in Libya by carrying out airstrikes, refueling warplanes and providing intelligence.


source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/184732.html

[jackovesk]

A QUESTION OF ELIGIBILITY?
Expert: Obama doc is 'proof' – of fraud
Typeface analysis shows images come from different machines

http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/060711PaulIrey.jpg

The online image of a Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" was trumpeted by the White House when it was released on April 27 as "proof positive" that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Now an expert in typefaces and typography says it sure was "proof," but not of what the White House would have wanted.

Paul Irey, a retired professional typographer with 50 years experience in his business, says an analysis of the typefaces used in the Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate that the White House released on April 27 reveals it absolutely to be a forgery.

"My analysis proves beyond a doubt that it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter," Irey told WND.

"Typewriters in 1961 could not change the size and shape of a letter on the fly like that," he said. "This document is definitely a forgery."

Irey acknowledges that an IBM Selectric typewriter could have produced different typefaces in a given document, but only if the Selectric ball was changed every time a different typeface letter was struck which would be unlikely to have been done to produce the word "Student," for example, that had two different styles of the lower case "t."

"This would have been a cumbersome procedure and the average hospital clerk typist would have no reason to change typeface with each individual letter in preparing a birth certificate," he noted.

http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/060711Ireyletterslist.jpg

Read the Complete article here...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=308397

Rick Wiles June 14 2011 Birth Cert a Total Fraud -Expert Says

This may be downloaded directly from link below...

http://www.trunews.com/Audio/6_14_11_tuesday_trunews2.mp3

[shadowstalker]

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/struggling-single-mom-sells-obama-letter-153110485.html

Destiny Mathis, a young woman in Indiana, reached out to President Obama for a sign of hope in tough economic times, and was initially thrilled to receive a handwritten reply from the president. Now, however, the same economic hardships that prompted her to write to Obama last November have prompted her to put up the letter for sale on an auction website--marking the ninth such sale of an Obama letter that the online auction service has handled.

[Rocky_Shorz]

thank you... We always hear so much on the other side, it's refreshing to hear something like this...


The president wrote back a handwritten note on White House stationery. "Please know that things will get better for you and your family," he said. You can watch the NBC5 report on the letter's sale above.

The 26-year-old is now selling the note to Gary Zimet, who has sold eight other letters from the president so far for up to $20,000 on his site, Moments in Time. He's asking for $11,000.

A Michigan woman sold a letter from Obama in October for $7,000 to help pay for her cancer treatment and for a down payment on a house. "Thanks for the very kind and inspiring letter," Obama wrote to Jennifer Cline, after she told him in a letter that she was struggling to make ends meet and had lost her health insurance. "I know times are tough, but knowing there are folks out there like you and your husband gives me confidence that things will keep getting better!"

[Siberia9]

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[jack]

I wonder how much it fetched.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

George Bush, Jr. didn't bother to answer any mail or have his people do it for him either. Every letter from we, the people, went into a dark void. At least Obama does answer his and that's a major difference and worth something special. There is a big difference between the two men. No matter who says otherwise.

In the olden Presential days of Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon, all letters were answered routinely and taken seriously as it should be and it meant something in those days. With this new Obama trend ~ maybe it will mean something again. Presidents, at the least, must be courteous and there is plenty of staff to help out for this minor duty of public office.

[ktlight]

FYI:


According to a recent investigation, nearly 80 percent of the top donors in Barack Obama's 2008 presidential election campaign now enjoy high-ranking White House jobs.


The investigation, which was carried out by iWatch News, revealed that roughly 80 percent of those who gathered more than USD 500,000 for Obama during his presidential campaign have obtained jobs classified by the White House as “key administration posts.”

It also found that roughly half of the 3,000 White House meeting-attendees have raised USD 200,000 or more for the president, signifying that top donors enjoy broad access to the White House for meetings with administration officials, Politico reported.

Among the donors is telecom executive Donald H. Gips, who raised more than USD 500,000 in financial contributions for Obama during his election bid.

After Obama won office, Gips was placed in charge of hiring in the White House and is believed to have helped top fundraisers take key positions in the administration.

In mid-2009, Obama made Gips the US ambassador to South Africa and granted millions of dollars in government stimulus contracts to Level 3 Communications Company, in which Gips had shares.

Ironically, in his 2008 presidential campaign Obama criticized “the cynics, the lobbyists, the special interests,” who he claimed had “turned our (the US) government into a game only they can afford to play.”

Contradictory to his claims, Obama heavily relied on the top donors to win his presidential bid and his presidential campaign promise has proven to be one that was never delivered.


source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/184862.html

[shadowstalker]

A large group of noted whistleblowers--including Daniel Ellsberg, the leaker of the Pentagon Papers--has written an open letter asking that the "transparency award" given to President Obama by five open government organizations in March be rescinded.
In the letter, published in the UK Guardian, the group of 50 individuals and watchdog organizations called the Obama administration's record on secrecy and surveillance "a disgrace."

More:
http://beta.news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/daniel-ellsberg-other-whistleblowers-want-obama-transparency-award-174113732.html

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks shadowstalker ....oldest 'spin' trick in the book , by saying publicly ( any policy) is open and transparent , immiediatly the majority of the public says/thinks they're in charge 'they wouldn't lie to us'..

'WRONG' since the dawn of time mankind has been manipulated by clergy , polititions , royalty ,beaurocrats , and more recently press and TV / Radio and know 'Disinfo all over the web....

The saying 'if a polititions lips move he is lying' is mainly based on the two/ three party systems that make up our so called democracies . As most people going into politics for vocational purposes soon get whipped into shape to toe 'the party line' by their respected 'whips '. there is no room for free thinking 'statesmen ' in parliment or congress , save the few 'rogue independents' who creep under the radar. The likes of Jesse , Ron Paul, Martin Bell in UK ex reporter & Davids Ickes brief experience with the 'Green' are rare exceptions.......

when in my opinion they should be the majority , people with integrety and passion......Not the crop of proffesional polititons who have flooded politics in the last 60 years , who are in the main 'YES MEN/WOMEN' who are not intouch with the public, just toeing the party line, for personal gain AKA 'Cash for Questions' expences fiddling , sex scandals , corpoarate interests , Jobs for the boys when they 'lose their seat' the list goes on....

The corporate / military ind complex has turned much of the west by stealth into a 'fascist' state , especially in the USA , but other countries as well....

There is something seriously wrong when it costs millions of doller/pounds to win elections , when its obviously like in a game of monopoly. He with the most wins...

Thus putting the man in the White House /No 10 or where ever at the mercy ultimately of 'Elite Corporate' and other parties , instead of 'US' the electorate...

Of course Obama , Bush,Clinton ,Bush Snr. Cameron,Brown, Blair , 'Lie' to us to them it is all part of the 'Game of Politics' and we are just the pieces on the board.....

Hopefully people like Daniel Ellsberg can prize the top of this 'corrupt system'

Felt like a rant... cheers Steve

[ktlight]

FYI:


Stepping up a simmering constitutional conflict, House Speaker John A. Boehner warned President Obama on Tuesday that unless he gets authorization from Congress for his military deployment in Libya, he will be in violation of the War Powers Resolution.

In a letter sent Tuesday afternoon, Mr. Boehner, the top Republican in the constitutional chain of succession, said Mr. Obama must provide a clear justification by Friday for committing troops to Libya.

Sunday marks the 90th day since the president notified Congress that U.S. troops had been committed to help enforce a no-fly zone over Libya, which is designed to protect the rebels fighting Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s government.

“The Constitution requires the president to ‘take care that the laws be faithfully executed,’ and one of those laws is the War Powers Resolution, which requires an approving action by Congress or withdrawal within 90 days from the notification of a military operation,” Mr. Boehner said in the letter.

The White House has repeatedly said it has complied with the law by alerting Congress to the initial deployment, and by testifying at more than 10 hearings and providing 30 follow-up briefings about the pace and extent of U.S. troops’ commitment.

But the administration has never sought approval from Congress.

source to read more
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/14/boehner-gives-obama-friday-deadline-libya/

[ktlight]

FYI:


Joe Weisenthal
Business Insider
June 18, 2011
This week several members of Congress challenged Obama on the legality of the Libya war, given that actions have exceeded the 90 day period during which The White House doesn’t need Congressional authority for military action under the War Powers Act.

The White House response: We don’t need Congressional approval because this is not technically a hostile action (because we don’t have ground troops in Libya).
Tonight the NYT has a major bombshell: Two top lawyers — Jeh C. Johnson, the Pentagon general counsel, and Caroline D. Krass, acting head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel — told The White House otherwise.
Even Attorney General Eric Holder sided with Krass.
But Rather than heed their advice, he instead went with two lawyers with views more favorable to him: Bob Bauer (who is internal at The White House), and State Department advisor Harold Koh.
This is striking:
Presidents have the legal authority to override the legal conclusions of the Office of Legal Counsel and to act in a manner that is contrary to its advice, but it is extraordinarily rare for that to happen. Under normal circumstances, the office’s interpretation of the law is legally binding on the executive branch.
No doubt this will only embolden the bi-partisan group of Congressmen who think the war at this point is illegal.
All that being said, Obama does have the support of serious lawyers, and he himself was a constitutional lawyer, so the idea that just because Johnson and Krass opposed this decision doesn’t in itself end it.
But this is still tough.
For some context, see this American Conservative story (from last June) on the war philosophy of Harold Koh, a renowned liberal legal scholar who also has a history of justifying hostile activity.
At the end of March, Harold Koh, top lawyer at the State Department, used his keynote address at the annual confab of the American Society for International Law to make an announcement: the use of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles to kill suspected terrorists is legal. The drone strikes in Pakistan and Afghanistan are lawful because, Koh delineated, they are done only in national self-defense, their proportionality is always precisely calibrated, and they carefully discriminate civilians from combatants.
There’s both more and less to it than that, but the legal argument itself is of minor importance. What matters is that Koh said it. Harold Hongju Koh: renowned human rights advocate; leading theorist of international law (which, the ASIL conventioneers would happily have told you, is much more civilized than mere national law); until last year dean of Yale Law School and therefore unofficial pope of the American legal system, and former director of the school’s Orville H. Schell Jr. Center for International Human Rights; Obama appointee accused by Glenn Beck and likeminded screamers of wanting to smuggle Sharia law into U.S. courts. All of which is to say, if a liberal lion like Harold Koh says drone strikes are lawful, what more do you need to know?

source
http://www.infowars.com/libya-bombshell-obama-overruled-two-top-lawyers-who-told-him-war-must-be-terminated/

[Calz]

FYI:


Joe Weisenthal
Business Insider
June 18, 2011
This week several members of Congress challenged Obama on the legality of the Libya war, given that actions have exceeded the 90 day period during which The White House doesn’t need Congressional authority for military action under the War Powers Act.

The White House response: We don’t need Congressional approval because this is not technically a hostile action (because we don’t have ground troops in Libya).
Tonight the NYT has a major bombshell: Two top lawyers — Jeh C. Johnson, the Pentagon general counsel, and Caroline D. Krass, acting head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel — told The White House otherwise.
Even Attorney General Eric Holder sided with Krass.
But Rather than heed their advice, he instead went with two lawyers with views more favorable to him: Bob Bauer (who is internal at The White House), and State Department advisor Harold Koh.
This is striking:
Presidents have the legal authority to override the legal conclusions of the Office of Legal Counsel and to act in a manner that is contrary to its advice, but it is extraordinarily rare for that to happen. Under normal circumstances, the office’s interpretation of the law is legally binding on the executive branch.
No doubt this will only embolden the bi-partisan group of Congressmen who think the war at this point is illegal.
All that being said, Obama does have the support of serious lawyers, and he himself was a constitutional lawyer, so the idea that just because Johnson and Krass opposed this decision doesn’t in itself end it.
But this is still tough.
For some context, see this American Conservative story (from last June) on the war philosophy of Harold Koh, a renowned liberal legal scholar who also has a history of justifying hostile activity.
At the end of March, Harold Koh, top lawyer at the State Department, used his keynote address at the annual confab of the American Society for International Law to make an announcement: the use of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles to kill suspected terrorists is legal. The drone strikes in Pakistan and Afghanistan are lawful because, Koh delineated, they are done only in national self-defense, their proportionality is always precisely calibrated, and they carefully discriminate civilians from combatants.
There’s both more and less to it than that, but the legal argument itself is of minor importance. What matters is that Koh said it. Harold Hongju Koh: renowned human rights advocate; leading theorist of international law (which, the ASIL conventioneers would happily have told you, is much more civilized than mere national law); until last year dean of Yale Law School and therefore unofficial pope of the American legal system, and former director of the school’s Orville H. Schell Jr. Center for International Human Rights; Obama appointee accused by Glenn Beck and likeminded screamers of wanting to smuggle Sharia law into U.S. courts. All of which is to say, if a liberal lion like Harold Koh says drone strikes are lawful, what more do you need to know?

source
http://www.infowars.com/libya-bombshell-obama-overruled-two-top-lawyers-who-told-him-war-must-be-terminated/



Since when have prez puppets succumbed to lawyers??? :bs:

I don't often speak with assurance ... but this time I can assure that tptb/w have the last word (only word) on this one.

[jackovesk]

Alex warns how the international banking cartel is using Obama and the US military to start World War III. The controllers of the New World Order believe they can achieve their one world government by destabilizing every country in the the middle east and northern Africa which will draw Russia and China into crisis to create a world-wide catastrophe. Once this event occurs, and the world is brought to the brink of total obliteration, the global banking cartel plans to move in with their final phase: a one world government and eugenics agenda.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOhzRZOOMiU&feature=player_embedded

Alex warns how the international banking cartel is using Obama and the US military to start World War III. The controllers of the New World Order believe they can achieve their one world government by destabilizing every country in the the middle east and northern Africa which will draw Russia and China into crisis to create a world-wide catastrophe. Once this event occurs, and the world is brought to the brink of total obliteration, the global banking cartel plans to move in with their final phase: a one world government and eugenics agenda.


Alex urges his listeners to get the word out about this point in history. We are right now in the beginning stages of world war three. If this situation escalates, it can result in the worst world war that mankind has ever suffered.


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[Lost Soul]

Other folks who are warning of a new global war include: journalist and historian Webster Tarpley, the apolitical trends forecaster Gerald Celente, and investment adviser Bob Chapman. Please write your congressperson today and urge the path of peace. Mankind needs peace, not war.

[christian]

This is the classical boiling frog situation.

WW3 won't be only starting when the 2 major rivals start the nukes against each other. How many more countries have to be invaded, till people realize that WW3 is already on?

It's the same thing with all the warnings about martial law in the US since decades. Now the TSA sticks its hands down people's pants and violates the constitution and whatnot. It's not called martial law officially, though...

[Etherios]

This is the classical boiling frog situation.

WW3 won't be only starting when the 2 major rivals start the nukes against each other. How many more countries have to be invaded, till people realize that WW3 is already on?

It's the same thing with all the warnings about martial law in the US since decades. Now the TSA sticks its hands down people's pants and violates the constitution and whatnot. It's not called martial law officially, though...

They have boiled the USA frog so well and slow that the majority of the frogs think TSA is protecting them...