Barack Obama 2011

[christian]

A lot of people don't like being groped and don't see the necissity for it.
Some people maybe do.
All in all it's not so grim, I think a critical mass, still exponentially growing, is quite aware of what's going on.
The next step is becoming aware that we don't have to just watch this madness, we actually have the power to create something else.

[ktlight]

"Anthony Weiner's resignation following the sexting scandal is number one news with all of the mainstream media today. But believe it or not, Weiner stepping down is not the most important news you need to know. As US military intervention in Libya continues, the government is now battling over it.
Ten members of Parliament are now suing the President in an attempt to end the US military involvement in Libya for failing to get congressional approval. The White House though claims it is not in violation of the law because it's not actually a war, and the US military plays only a "support role" there. David Swanson, the author of the "War Is A Lie," talks to RT."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dii4zC0lYL4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dii4zC0lYL4&feature=player_embedded

[Spiralmind]

The smoking gun evidence that annuls Obama’s presidency is Obama’s college transcripts regarding his application for and receiving of foreign student aid. Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript from Occidental College shows that Obama (Barry Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship (scholarship) for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program – an international educational exchange program sponsored by the U.S. government. Grants are available for U.S. citizens to go abroad and for non-U.S. citizens with no U.S. permanent residence to come to the U.S. To qualify, for the non-US citizen scholarship to study in the U.S., a student applicant must claim and provide proof of foreign citizenship.


http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=2929

http://tinyurl.com/3ozu892

[Etherios]

nothing to see here ... move along this is important so pay no notice ...


I want to read the reply the USA gov will put out ... should be hilarious

[Lazlo]

Catch 22:

Either he perjured himself to the State bar of Illinios, or he defrauded the State of California, or he has to prove that the California state records are fradulent.

Lovely!!!

The MSM won't even try to cover the story, they'll just scream CRAZY and TRAITOR at anyone who tries to discuss this rationally.

[crosby]

Spiralmind, fantastic find. so now we wait to see what happens......... i gather we may be waiting a while yet.
regards, corson

[scluth]

As I understand it, Obama's citizenship will not cause those in power to even hiccup. He is the CEO of the US corp. and takes his marching orders from the "high contracting powers" that really run the show. But it will be interesting to see if the media pick up the story at all…

[Lettherebelight]

Can you get that grant if you have dual citizenship? If not, then I would say this is a cut and dry case.

Again, I say that if you want to verify anything about someone's birth, simply ask the mother. Why doesn't Obama's mum come forward and make a statement?

[Rocky_Shorz]

see the roller-coaster rolling and laughs... April 09

if truths mattered to birthers this would already be past... ;) (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp)

[Flash]

Can you get that grant if you have dual citizenship? If not, then I would say this is a cut and dry case.

Again, I say that if you want to verify anything about someone's birth, simply ask the mother. Why doesn't Obama's mum come forward and make a statement?

she is dead isnT she?

[Lost Soul]

From what I've been told, Fulbright Scholarships are only awarded to foreign students. His legitimacy has always been in question (in my mind) but by the time it's resolved, his term will have expired.

[Redtailhawk]

A spokesman for House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa told The Daily Caller the congressman expects his investigations into the Justice Department’s gun walking programs to point to a much higher political appointee than acting ATF director Kenneth Melson. Melson is widely expected to resign some time in the next couple of days in the face of political pressure from Issa’s investigations into Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast Furious.

Even if Melson resigns, Issa spokesman Frederick Hill said the Committee expects to find much more and continue with investigations. “The investigations are far from over,” Hill told TheDC. “It’s quite certain that Kenneth Melson was not the principal architect of this plan nor was he the only high-ranking official who knew about and authorized this operation.” (WHAT DID THEY KNOW? Top two ATF officials ‘briefed weekly’ on ‘Fast and Furious’)

Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious were programs that involved ATF officials allowing guns to be taken into Mexico with the ultimate apparent goal of tracking the larger Mexican drug cartels’ arms market. The ATF officials allowed the sale of guns to “straw purchasers,” or people who were eligible to purchase guns in the U.S. but were doing so with the known intention of trafficking them into Mexico.

This latest development comes after Issa told Fox News on Tuesday morning that he thinks Melson should resign.

“He was part of the bad judgment. And when I say bad judgment, it wasn’t just him,” Issa said on Fox News. “They had to go to Justice to get money, to get FBI agents, all of the other people that helped coordinate this, and to get the wiretaps they used. This was a program so stupid from the start.”

Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton told TheDC a Melson resignation “would be seen as an admission that something went terribly wrong.” Fitton thinks Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious were political ploys from the Obama administration, not real law enforcement efforts.

“It would be significant for a senior official to resign over a Congressional investigation,” Fitton said, adding that he’s almost certain Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious were anti-gun agenda political ploys from the Obama administration. “I think another major part of this story is that the narrative of the Obama administration and the ATF is that, ‘wouldn’t it be great if we could tie guns, as part of our anti-gun agenda, to the Mexican civil war, as opposed to, you know, our lack of enforcement of the drug laws or failure to protect the borders.’”

Former El Paso Intelligence Center (EPIC) director Phil Jordan said he thinks this scandal goes as high as Attorney General Eric Holder. From his decades of law enforcement experience working with Washington-based Justice Department officials, Jordan said he’s sure this kind of program would have needed approval from either the Attorney General or one of his direct deputies.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/21/issa-staffer-gunrunner-investigation-points-much-higher-than-atf-director/#ixzz1PwKj4CzE

[Redtailhawk]

UPDATE: Within an hour of publishing this article, Frederick Hill, a member of Congressman Darrell Issa’s staff, gave the following statement to the media: “The (Gunrunner) investigations are far from over – it’s quite certain that Kenneth Melson was not the principal architect of this plan nor was he the only high-ranking official who knew about and authorized this operation.” Hill went on to indicate that even if Melson resigns, the Committee expects to find much more and continue with investigations.

Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/the-ulsterman-report-obama-doj-scrambles-to-survive-gunrunner-scandal/#ixzz1Pxc1dlCY

[ktlight]

'No president can go to war unilaterally with the permission of the congress"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaxYuZRwt8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaxYuZRwt8&feature=player_embedded

[Operator]

I wondered why this took so long to pop up as a thread ... it was reported already days ago in a dutch newspaper.

What's even more surprising is that it is reported and people are just reading it as if it just the weather forecast.
No follow up, questions or other debates spun of of this news.

[crosby]

i think it's about time that some action started happening. i don't read the local fishwrap, so i do not know what's being reported unless i see it here, or on other places like prisonplanet or infowars....but i'm very happy that it has surfaced here at avalon. thanks ktlight for another very useful and informative thread.
warmest, corson

[Maia Gabrial]

Yep, it's about time Congress starts doing THEIR jobs. I wondered how long they would let Obama stomp on their faces before saying something....But also, isn't that what's happening with the American citizens, too? They've let their rights get violated far too long....
Thanks ktlight!
M aia

[Kerrigan]

Very courageous, thank you to all congressman/woman involved.

[ktlight]

FYI:


US President Barack Obama is making a last-ditch effort to get a bipartisan congressional consensus to raise the country's debt ceiling.


The White House said on Monday that the president is confident that both Democrats and Republicans could make compromises to lift the debt limit to avoid a default, Reuters reported.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said, "The president told me that everyone in the room believes a significant deal remains possible." He made the remarks after Obama held a discussion with Sen. Harry Reid, the leader of the Democrats in the Senate.

Later in the day, Obama held a meeting with Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell but neither made any comments on the outcome.

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have showed little willingness to compromise on the issue after the deficit reduction talks led by Vice President Joe Biden collapsed suddenly on Thursday.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has warned lawmakers that if the United States does not take the necessary steps by August 2, the country will be at risk of defaulting on its loans.

Earlier in the month, the Republican-controlled US House of Representatives turned down a draft bill intended to raise the country's borrowing limit, which currently stands at a whopping $14.3 trillion.

However, economists say that if the United States refuses to increase its debt limit, it could be devastating for the US and other economies around the world.

Although US lawmakers are engaged in heated arguments on whether to cut spending for public services, such as education and elderly healthcare, increase taxes, or raise the borrowing level, they continue to authorize the US government to spend tens of billions of dollars for military interventions in other countries.

source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/186535.html

[Kthonius]

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/28/obama.news.conference/index.html

The White House has just surprised the news outlets by spontaneously scheduling a presidential news conference. It has been scheduled for tomorrow at 11:30 AM EDT (1630 UTC). Journalists are speculating that it will have something to do with the economy or Libya. I will probably be disappointed, but I can't help but hope it will be related to disclosure!

UPDATE: The press conference should be viewable here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/president-obama-holds-news-conference-1

[Operator]

Or maybe state of emergency ... now that nuclear power plants are flooded with water.

[oceanz]

Expanding on that further, Operator - it could be a news conference to advise that nuclear power plants are flooded with water AND risk of radiation is HIGH in a radius of X kilometres/miles AND the US Government will be 'forced' to buy nearby properties/farms to ensure safe food sources and no persons come to harm.

This 'buy back' will be funded by bringing 10,000 troops back from Afghanistan but no mention of trillion dollar budget deficit except to mention that due to this 'buy back' they will need to raise the debt ceiling (again).

Then again, they might be releasing Osama Bin Laden's Death Certificate...unless of course they have misplaced that one as well...:p

But I wouldn't be surprised if these buy back properties are rich in resources (i.e oil etc or artifacts).

[Kthonius]

Or maybe state of emergency ... now that nuclear power plants are flooded with water.

That's a possibility I hadn't considered, maybe because I want disclosure so bad! But the reports about nuclear technology/disaster seem to have been moving towards a climax lately. Maybe this is it.

[ghostrider]

yep I agree, the flooding/nuke plant emergency, and fema and the military are there for support under HIS order. while they are trying to fix it, it will balloon into flooding the entire missouri valley.

[ktlight]

Chicago rapper Lupe Fiasco called Barack Obama “The biggest terrorist” in a song entitled ‘Words I Never Said’ accompanied by images from the embattled Gaza Strip with the lyrics, “Just a poor excuse for you to use up all your bullets.” Lupe said, “The economical policies that are instigated really make you think that the American government is a bunch of evil bastards.” How could one think otherwise when you witness the aftermath of these policies at home and abroad? But the errant rapper was hauled onto Fox News to explain this “over-the-top” viewpoint to the obsequious Bill O’Reilly.

The anchorman lectured Lupe Fiasco in the most condescending tone, claiming America is a “noble nation” defending itself “against people who killed us on 9-11” while these same people are at the helm of the US Administration, the “evil bastards” who devised the ‘War on Terror.’ Bill O’Reilly told the incredulous rapper, Obama’s responsibility is to “protect you and me” and “he’s doing it through aggressive action.” He insisted the legitimate part of the war in Afghanistan was removing their government! A war crime! Lupe prefers to “fight the root causes of terrorism” inside the White House.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0ojNvC5DuWg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0ojNvC5DuWg

[pharoah21]

It's funny seeing how convinced these reporters are. Makes me chuckle.

[Kthonius]

Just a reminder, this press conference starts in 20 minutes. It will probably turn out to be nothing really important, but I am curious! You should be able to view it here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/president-obama-holds-news-conference-1

Additional update: Most news outlets seem to be suggesting that the conference is related to the US Debt limit.

[Marikins]

Okay I am waiting watching with popcorn :popcorn:
Do you suppose we will be able to see Obama's reflection in the big ornate mirror? He does have a reflection!

[Kthonius]

He's talking about the economy now. Guess no disclosure today. Oh well... :/

[Marikins]

Okay, call me nuts but I was doing something else and got the message that the Obama news briefing was an encoded message of some sort. Sorry that's all I've got.

[Redtailhawk]

For National Release
June 28, 2011

Contact: Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
(866) 703-0864 / Press@alipac.us

The Americans for Legal Immigration PAC is calling for the impeachment of President Barack Obama for his involvement in the Operation Gunrunner scandal, as well as his recent edict instructing federal employees to establish a form of amnesty for illegal aliens in defiance of the Congress, existing federal laws, and the US Constitution.

Obama's ICE Director John Morton issued a memo on June 17th to all ICE Field Office Directors, Special Agents-in-Charge, and all Chief Counsel, authorizing them to decline to remove illegal aliens who meet the qualifications for amnesty under the DREAM Act Amnesty which Congress has rejected many times.

Congressional investigations have determined that Obama's ATF and Justice Department have been supplying assault weapons to the drug cartels that import most of America's cocaine, methamphetamine, and illegal immigrants.

"President Obama is no longer the legitimate President of the United States," said William Gheen, President of ALIPAC. "By arming drug and human smugglers with assault weapons that have been used to kill American and Mexican citizens and police forces, and by ordering Amnesty for illegal aliens which has been rejected by both the Congress and the American public more than eight times, Obama has committed a form of Treason against the United States and must be removed from office by Congress."


Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC) is a national organization founded on 9/11 of 2004. ALIPAC has over 40,000 supporters, comprised of Americans of every race, party, religion, and walk of life, who represent the over 80% who want America's existing immigration laws enforced.

ALIPAC is sending letters to the 137 current members of Congress whom the group endorsed and supported in the 2010 elections requesting the impeachment process to begin immediately in the interest of public safety and civil stability.

"Obama just made it clear to the American public that he does not care what they think, what the current federal laws are, what the US Constitution says, or what Congress has ratified," said William Gheen. "Congress must take immediate action to stop Obama or the American Republic will fall. What use are elections, candidates, or the Congress, if the Executive Branch rules by decree?"

All ALIPAC supporters and like-minded Americans who oppose Amnesty and illegal immigration are called upon to immediately call and write their members of Congress demanding the impeachment of President Barack Obama for crimes against the people of the United States.

If Congress does not respond by July 15, ALIPAC will move to call for public protests across the nation calling for the ouster of this authoritarian regime which feels it can arm rebel groups invading America with their illegal cargo while forcing an Amnesty on the public.

The self-governance of American citizens and the health of the American Republic must be guarded against this form of Treason.

The Congress will be given an opportunity to act before members of the public take things into their own hands and call for a day of nationwide protests.

For more information, to schedule interviews or to show your support for the impeachment of President Obama, please visit ALIPAC at www.ALIPAC.us

###: http://www.alipac.us//modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6373

[Lost Soul]

Without the Second Amendment, all other Amendments and the Constitution itself are faded empty words on paper. I bet this goes straight up to Homeland Security and even the Whine House.

[General Urko]

The Second Amendment is not only a basic human right,it is a heavy responsibility. I was brought up around guns, my father and grandfather were hunters and I was taught the cleaning, maintenance, and responsable use of firearms from an early age. When my grandfather hunted, it was a means to put food on the table in hard times. When my father hunted, it was a means to get in a little male bonding with friends, and to keep the skill of firearms marksmanship well honed.They were both military veterans (my immigrant grandfather highly decorated for "courage and valor"). I do not hunt. it is a personal choice. I will never take another life for "sport". I try not to judge others who are avid hunters, it's just something that I personally can not fathom in these times,as it is now actually cheaper to by food at the local store than it is to hunt, and a life to me,no matter how small, is a beautiful, sacred thing to witness and cherish. With that being said, I fully support personal firearm ownership as guaranteed by the Second Amendment. I know that this is probably not a popular statement here at Avalon, the most benevolent, intelligent, and empathetic group of souls I have ever been honored to be a part of, but there it is. I would like nothing better than to "beat swords into plowshares", but in these times, like in the past, I feel that once I beat my sword into a plowshare, I will have to plow the ruling party's fields and not my own. For he still has swords.

[modwiz]

The Second Amendment is not only a basic human right,it is a heavy responsibility. I was brought up around guns, my father and grandfather were hunters and I was taught the cleaning, maintenance, and responsable use of firearms from an early age. When my grandfather hunted, it was a means to put food on the table in hard times. When my father hunted, it was a means to get in a little male bonding with friends, and to keep the skill of firearms marksmanship well honed.They were both military veterans (my immigrant grandfather highly decorated for "courage and valor"). I do not hunt. it is a personal choice. I will never take another life for "sport". I try not to judge others who are avid hunters, it's just something that I personally can not fathom in these times,as it is now actually cheaper to by food at the local store than it is to hunt, and a life to me,no matter how small, is a beautiful, sacred thing to witness and cherish. With that being said, I fully support personal firearm ownership as guaranteed by the Second Amendment. I know that this is probably not a popular statement here at Avalon, the most benevolent, intelligent, and empathetic group of souls I have ever been honored to be a part of, but there it is. I would like nothing better than to "beat swords into plowshares", but in these times, like in the past, I feel that once I beat my sword into a plowshare, I will have to plow the ruling party's fields and not my own. For he still has swords.

Very well said. Like MAD in the past worked for the U.S. and USSR I believe the Second Amendment is what is holding things together in USA as things come unraveled. It is sad to say but, at this stage of the game, arms keep the peace. For now...........

[General Urko]

Thanks modwiz, I personally wouldn't say it's the Second Amendment that's holding things together. I hate to sound corny but regardless of what you see in the media, I believe that the majority of Americans believe in the freedoms and rights to individualism put forth in the Constitution, love their country, and Just basically want everyone to get along. Let things come unraveled, it's time for a change. Stop these meaningless Wars and work toward a better purpose.

[Redtailhawk]

A retired U.S. military commander who brought a court challenge to Barack Obama's tenure in the Oval Office says the mounting evidence indicating the "Certificate of Live Birth" he released in April is fake should shock the American public.

"If everyone was intellectually honest, they would admit those images put on the Internet are forgeries," said CDR Charles Kerchner, whose lawsuit that alleged Congress failed in its constitutional duty to make sure the man elected president was eligible for the office, was turned down by the U.S. Supreme Court.

He cited the work released this week by longtime Adobe software book author and computer expert Mara Zebest.

Get the New York Times best-seller "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to be President," autographed by Jerome Corsi, Ph.D.

Her detailed report explains how the document released in April by Obama as a copy of his original birth certificate isn't even a good forgery.

(Story continues below)




"This is a 100 times worse situation in that it is not just a crime of some plumbers breaking into an opponent's office, this is a crime against the Constitution and all the people of the United States. Obama is not who he says he is. These are forged documents on government property. Before it was a campaign website, now these are government websites," Kerchner told WND today.

Joseph Farah, publisher of WND books, who held a news conference featuring Zebest's research this week at the National Press Club with Jerome Corsi, author of "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President," agreed.

"This is bigger than Watergate," he said after the news conference where it was announced that a lawsuit had been filed against Esquire magazine over its faked "report" that falsely claimed the Corsi book was withdrawn.

Kerchner was just one of a number of high-profile leaders who have challenged Obama's eligibility to express alarm at the idea that a sitting president would release to the public a document that is being described as a forgery.

Others include Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, who is working through several outreaches to restore integrity to U.S. politics; Orly Taitz, the California lawyer who has spearheaded some of the biggest legal confrontations with Obama's supporters; Philip Berg, the Pennsylvania lawyer who first brought the issue of Obama's apparent ineligibility to the U.S. court system; and Floyd Brown of the Western Journalism Center, who has campaigned for Obama's impeachment.

'He'll do anything'

Kerchner believes there's evidence Obama's placement in the White House was orchestrated, and now that the façade that was created for him is cracking, no holds are barred.

"He's desperate," Kerchner told WND. "He'll do anything to survive. He's way overconfident that the media is never going to do a thing to investigate [and] so far he's right."

However, he said, "At some point the truth is going to come out and the house of cards is going to fall."

Kerchner, even though his court case did not succeed in obtaining documentation about Obama, has continued with a campaign of ads that probe the issue with question after question.

His latest asks, "We have a criminal and forger in the White House! Why isn't Speaker John Boehner investigating? Call or write and ask him."

"This is not a fringe issue of concern by only a few Americans. In the latest poll, 50 percent of the American people said they want Obama investigated by the Congress. It is time for U.S. House Speaker Boehner to take action and call for investigations in the House of Reps of Obama's criminal activities," he said.

Kerchner was referring to a WND Wenzel poll showing that even 28 percent of Democrats want Congress to investigate, meaning, according to pollster Fritz Wenzel, "There's no marginalizing those who want this matter investigated."

Kerchner's promotion cites questions about a forged birth certificate, an "invalid" Social Security number and issues with Obama's draft registration form.

He said Obama's release of the birth document April 27 also moved the dispute to a new level.

"Not only is Obama (now that he stood at that podium on 27 April and said it was his BC) an accessory to the crime of forging a birth certificate and then placing that forged long form birth certificate onto government servers, but I also believe he is a co-conspirator in having it made," Kerchner said.

'Let's see original'

California attorney Orly Taitz continues to fight some of the biggest cases that have been brought over Obama's eligibility, including on behalf of other presidential candidates and members of the U.S. military, whose lives are dependent on the orders of a commander-in-chief who may not be qualified.

"I already have submitted a request for production of the original [Obama birth certificate] to the White House counsel," she told WND today. The action comes as part of her Freedom of Information Act quest for details about how Obama ended up with a Social Security number normally assigned to Connecticut residents when Obama never lived in the state.

Taitz said that when the White House refused to respond, she followed up with another request as part of the requirements for pursuing such a document.

"There is going to be a lawsuit," she said.

'More holes that Swiss cheese'

Berg, who filed the first legal challenge to Obama's presidency more than two months before the 2008 election, said, "I cannot believe the audacity of Obama to put forth this document. He was making a joke out of it. But it has more holes than Swiss cheese."

He continued, "This is the biggest fraud against the United States of America in our history."

Berg said records revealed that Obama was listed as a Muslim and was known as Barry Soetoro while he was a youth in Indonesia, and he believes that name never was formally changed.

"There's no evidence he legally changed his name," he said. "It's unbelievable that members of Congress who know about this [haven't acted]."

He blamed the traditional media in the U.S., who have offered Obama a great deal of support, for the situation.

"I believe if the New York Times [and others] made this the front page above the fold, Obama would be out of office."

A 'permanent political class'

Brown, of the Western Journalism Center, who also is integral to the ImpeachObamaCampaign, told WND the simple arrogance of presenting a questionable document stretches credulity.

"The notion that their hubris would be so great as to release a fraudulent document to prove the legitimacy of a president is beyond anything we've seen in American history," he said. "It's beyond Watergate. Beyond the arrogance of power shown by Bill Clinton.

"It is an absolute scandal but what I find even more scandalous, the absolute complete lack of courage by the Republican Congress to tackle any of these issues. The American people want an investigation of his eligibility."

He said his organization alone already has delivered petitions from 2.5 million people to Congress demanding impeachment proceedings.

But he said members of Congress "totally and completely are ignoring the calls to action."

That response, he said, is evidence of a "permanent political class [in Washington] committed to bigger, stronger, more invasive government. It includes the leadership inside the Republican Party."

The solution, he said, is "wholesale change."

'You don't lie, cheat or steal'

Vallely, a retired major general, national security expert and Fox News contributor, now of Stand Up America US, said all that is needed to restore the nation is "honest and upright" members of Congress pursuing the goals of the Constitution.

"When you go back to the basics, the Constitution, the rule of law, what we had at West Point, 'You don't lie, cheat or steal or tolerate anyone who does,'" he said.

"We need to have those kinds of virtues in our government more today than ever," he said. "We have a whole gang of dishonest and corrupt individuals in our government today."

"Where are the honest, upright members of the Senate and Congress. None of them will challenge this president … on the deceitful and treasonous things that they are doing: His bypassing the War Powers act, basically bypassing many other things."

He said Obama "will say what he wants to say to boost his own image and reelection campaign."

It's urgent, he said, that Obama depart the White House even before the 2012 election.

The disputed image released by Obama, which has been called a fake by numerous document, computer and imaging analysts:






http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=317353

[Star]

Dear Redtailhawk,

I have read and seen all this before. If, in fact, he was chosen for this office, don't you think he has powerful forces backing him! He does not run this government, it is run by a number of elites who are never seen but are the powerful and wealthy. That is why Congress or others are not going to seek legal action against him. They are afraid and perhaps know all this is true. The ruling elite are too big and powerful and so yes, he can act confident and arrogant because he knows his back is covered.

Yes most of the government is corrupt. I have come to believe this and in order to have my peace of mind, I must let it go. Congress is responsible for more corrupt laws being passed and we the people have no say. It is no longer a republic and really is too big for anyone to try to take on TPTB. I can understand your frustration but do you want to be right or be happy?

LOve & Light,
STar

[ktlight]

This is totally self-explanatory.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN5X3EwJYq0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN5X3EwJYq0&feature=player_embedded

[Redtailhawk]

Dear Redtailhawk,

I have read and seen all this before. If, in fact, he was chosen for this office, don't you think he has powerful forces backing him! He does not run this government, it is run by a number of elites who are never seen but are the powerful and wealthy. That is why Congress or others are not going to seek legal action against him. They are afraid and perhaps know all this is true. The ruling elite are too big and powerful and so yes, he can act confident and arrogant because he knows his back is covered.

Yes most of the government is corrupt. I have come to believe this and in order to have my peace of mind, I must let it go. Congress is responsible for more corrupt laws being passed and we the people have no say. It is no longer a republic and really is too big for anyone to try to take on TPTB. I can understand your frustration but do you want to be right or be happy?

LOve & Light,
STar

Thanks Star.

I am not trying to be "right". In a way this whole Barry fiasco has helped us all see just how deep the rabbit hole goes and how insidious "TPTB" are in their attempted mind control games.

I do not believe this issue will go away for Soetoro. He has legally implicated himself with this latest fraudulent document alleged to be his official legal birth certificate.

But, we shall see....

[jackovesk]

Lyndon LaRouche: War is Globalist Favorite Tool of Choice for Poplutation Reduction

The Alex Jones Channel

July 1, 2011

Mr. LaRouche talks about the destruction of the economy and the dictatorial direction of Obama and the globalists as they wage multiple wars in brazen defiance of Congress and the American people.

LaRouche on Population Control: "NWO Globalists want to decrease the Worlds Population from 7 Billion to 1 Billion in the quickest time possible!"

LaRouche also questions Obama's SANITY!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPU572UY0r0&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg6LSvQYkUo&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj1Il5xPNBE&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNAT83dh9QY&feature=player_embedded

PS - LaRouche says if Americans don't Impeach & Get Rid of the British Controlled 'Obama' within the next couple of Months, that will be the END of America as we know it and it will ultimately Collapse!

He also point out the Strong 'Connection' between the British Royal Family and Obama!

Well worth listening to the 89 year old LaRouche to get an old time perspective from a man that has (Been Their & Done That) who operated on the inside and knows all about their 'Dirty Tricks'!

[ROMANWKT]

This is the most important post here at the moment showing you that the Roman Empire never ended as many of us knew already UK,VATICAN, USA.

The most important telltale ( if you understand about the reduction of 6 billion people, then you will understand what is being done) We should all watch these 4 videos.

My Regards to all
roman

[Humble Janitor]

LaRouche is a certified nutcase. Why do you people hold him in such high regard?

[jackovesk]

LaRouche is a certified nutcase. Why do you people hold him in such high regard?

Any proof to back that statement up HJ or Sid?

[Lost Soul]

LaRouche is a certified nutcase. Why do you people hold him in such high regard?

Any proof to back that statement up HJ or Sid?

Concur with Jackovesk. The media which is owned by TPTB typically do character assassinations on individuals to discredit them. Ron Paul is one of the few politicos who makes sense, yet they belittle or discount him all the time. The Tea Party, which was initially faceless, is largely composed of middle class Americans who are both tired and frustrated. The media first attempted to ignore them but when they couldn't go away, called them right wing racists.

So, as asked, state with specificity what actions LaRouche has done to justify calling him a nutcase? I'd like to know.

[trivesten]

and what is a nutcase quite frankly when all these events are happening all over the world everyone should be a nutcase or close too it if they keep tabs on everything, its hard to not appear wrong when "wrong" is everything that happends daily now. So id end with target your correct foe and try not to make crazy something odd.. Look around you find something that is real, and solid , good, positive inspiring aned helpful in the world today and post it. Name calling lol. shakes head .. whatever

[Lord Sidious]

LaRouche is a certified nutcase. Why do you people hold him in such high regard?

Any proof to back that statement up HJ or Sid?

Go look him up, for one thing, he is an ''ex'' communist.
And everything in his world revolves around the uk, which although a large problem, is not the largest problem.
If not a disinfo source, a nugget for sure.

[GCS1103]

I liked your post, Jackovesk. I have listened to Lyn LaRouche's interviews and read quite a bit about him in the past. While I don't agree with all that he says, I think many of his beliefs are valid. He is certainly right with respect to what is happening in the world now. Since I am not qualified to certify him, or anyone else, as a "nutcase" I won't comment on that. It's possible he is a "nugget" though, but I chalk that up to his advanced age...

[Eligos]

Nothing Larouche said was far fetched. This guy is incredibly lucid for 89.

[jackovesk]

I liked your post, Jackovesk. I have listened to Lyn LaRouche's interviews and read quite a bit about him in the past. While I don't agree with all that he says, I think many of his beliefs are valid. He is certainly right with respect to what is happening in the world now. Since I am not qualified to certify him, or anyone else, as a "nutcase" I won't comment on that. It's possible he is a "nugget" though, but I chalk that up to his advanced age...


Nothing Larouche said was far fetched. This guy is incredibly lucid for 89.

Agreed GCS1103 & Eligos,

LaRouche as far as I could to tell was sharing his immediate understanding of the significance of British Royalty participation and influence within the NWO Globalists structural powerplay towards a One World Govt.

As for he being a 'Nugget'? Which has Many meanings...

I agree with Sid, he is a 'Nugget' = A 'Piece of Gold' fighting against the NWO 'Nuggets' = Lumps of Sh#t..!

[Phoenix]

Please share your knowledge...

How does one be happy knowing all this? I've gone too far down the rabbit hole and don't know how to get out and be happy again. Thanks.

-Phoenix

[Robstar]

God not this again.
Maybe you should re-direct your energy on something else. So what? He has been president for a while and will probably be a one term president. Nothing will change even if we get e new president. The game is the same no matter who is president. You should know that by now. Sigh..:help:

[ktlight]

Uploaded by StormCloudsGathering on Jun 21, 2011
I had a conversation with Obama supporter this weekend, and I came to a surprising realization: Those who are still supporting Obama have a psychological, intellectual and emotional profile that is nearly identical to those who supported Bush even after it was clear that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq472IGvhtc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq472IGvhtc&feature=related

[ceetee9]

This guy is right on the mark. It's refreshing to know that there are still at least some people out there who actually still think.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

You don't get to be president of the U.S. if you aren't "in" on it. TPTB give us 2 men of their choice to choose from ~ doesn't matter which one wins, either way, he's in their pocket.

IMO we are never going to change this from the top down and as long as we keep thinking "if we just change who's in office - things will change" we have been shackled. We spend much time and money supporting new candidates, never catching on that they are all of their choice ~ at least the ones that make it onto the ballot. Bush, Clinton, Obama - they are all in the same club, they are just pretending to be on different teams to keep us in the dark.

[ktlight]

The US to me is like pre-war Germany.

It used to be God bless America.

Now it`s God help America.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFJc06x7dyA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFJc06x7dyA&feature=player_embedded

[shamballaOn]

@Ktlight:

Do you really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting you find on the internet?

About Obama:
I see him as a person that can make a difference. He is up against a lot. He is on our side!! (maybe that means not on yours?) Why this constantly bashing him and try to put him down? If you can really feel him instead of mentally reading trash about him and put everything you find about him as a tread... I think that would make a big difference.

[risveglio]

@Ktlight:

Do you really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting you find on the internet?

About Obama:
I see him as a person that can make a difference. He is up against a lot. He is on our side!! (maybe that means not on yours?) Why this constantly bashing him and try to put him down? If you can really feel him instead of mentally reading trash about him and put everything you find about him as a tread... I think that would make a big difference.

Obama is on our side? How? The bailiouts, the stimulus, the increased drone attacks, Libya? This man is not on our side, he is Bush 2.0!

[Arpheus]

@Ktlight:

Do you really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting you find on the internet?

About Obama:
I see him as a person that can make a difference. He is up against a lot. He is on our side!! (maybe that means not on yours?) Why this constantly bashing him and try to put him down? If you can really feel him instead of mentally reading trash about him and put everything you find about him as a tread... I think that would make a big difference.
You are entittled to your opinion and so are we i beg to differ from yours,as a matter of fact i dont even think we live in the same country,Obama n our side?I think not!

[shamballaOn]

You are entittled to your opinion and so are we i beg to differ from yours,as a matter of fact i dont even think we live in the same country, Obama n our side?I think not!

In my opinion Obama doesn't have all the power. He has a lot of power but by far not enough to control everything. He is a wolf in sheep clothes (for TPTB). But he has to stay sheep for a while. He has to play by the rules. The rules of those in real power. So how can he do something about: (as risveglio put it) the bailiouts, the stimulus, the increased drone attacks, Libya. All he can do is stay in power until the time has come that he can do more.

The time that he can do more will come. (in my humble opinion) At least on my timeline.

I repeat: On my timeline there will be a time where Obama will and can do more...

At that time it will also be clear why he was not been able to do more at the present time.

[ktlight]

In my opinion Obama doesn't have all the power. He has a lot of power but by far not enough to control everything. He is a wolf in sheep clothes (for TPTB). But he has to stay sheep for a while. He has to play by the rules. The rules of those in real power. So how can he do something about: (as risveglio put it) the bailiouts, the stimulus, the increased drone attacks, Libya. All he can do is stay in power until the time has come that he can do more.

The time that he can do more will come. (in my humble opinion) At least on my timeline.

I repeat: On my timeline there will be a time where Obama will and can do more...

At that time it will also be clear why he was not been able to do more at the present time.

What ground do you base your prediction that Obama will come out? He wanted the position, he went for it. In one video it was stated that he was taken to one side, upon reaching his goal, and told a few home truths and came out of that meeting shaken to the bone. That doesn't excuse him. If he had had more faith in himself and done the right thing, despite the threats, he may well have been disposed of, but he would have been loved.

Look at what happened to Kennedy.

[risveglio]

In my opinion Obama doesn't have all the power. He has a lot of power but by far not enough to control everything. He is a wolf in sheep clothes (for TPTB). But he has to stay sheep for a while. He has to play by the rules. The rules of those in real power. So how can he do something about: (as risveglio put it) the bailiouts, the stimulus, the increased drone attacks, Libya. All he can do is stay in power until the time has come that he can do more.

The time that he can do more will come. (in my humble opinion) At least on my timeline.

I repeat: On my timeline there will be a time where Obama will and can do more...

At that time it will also be clear why he was not been able to do more at the present time.

So are you suggesting that despite the fact that this man has done everything wrong for this country we should just wait because he will eventually do good? What dream world did you come from?

[Mare]

shamballaOn,

with respect Ktlight is free to post as many threads as he/she wishes just as you are free to read them or not. I personally find many of his/her posts extremely useful. Have you ever been criticised for making virtually no contributions since joining? If so, how did that make you feel? Pretty rotten I'd guess.

About Obama:
My personal opinion is that whatever good intentions a person may posess when entering a life of politics they soon realise it's a murky world of cut-throats, bullies and back-stabbers. To reach the very top rung of the ladder a politician must be more ruthless than the rest of them, and then some more. They all have charm, they all smile and they all make promises they can't keep.

Meanwhile humanity gets squeezed for every drop of it's goodness and men are pitted against men. To cap it off, these people are not even the one's in power. They are simply puppets to make us all think we can contribute to change on ground level through the voting system. Obama, in spite of what he felt he could achieve as a young black man starting out in a largely white-dominated-middle-class-elitist environment is now one of them. He couldn't be on your side even if deep down he wanted to be.

[shamballaOn]

So are you suggesting that despite the fact that this man has done everything wrong for this country we should just wait because he will eventually do good? What dream world did you come from?

Maybe I did not make myself clear. I did not suggest (at all) that "this man" has done everything wrong for his country. I think he has not enough power (at this moment) to make a big difference. i think at this moment he has to play both sides so eventually he can make a Big difference.

Bye the way... you are right that I come from a Dreamworld. I dream of a world of Peace and Abundance. Obama is part and cause of this ... ;)

[ceetee9]

The time that he can do more will come. (in my humble opinion) At least on my timeline.

I repeat: On my timeline there will be a time where Obama will and can do more...

At that time it will also be clear why he was not been able to do more at the present time.
shamballaOn, no disrepect, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you sound like a religious zealot who refuses to look at any evidence that doesn't support their belief and immediately invokes the "God works in mysterious ways" mantra when their beliefs cannot be sustained by any logic.

If he can't do now whatever it is you think he's going to be able to do when "there will be a time where Obama will and can do more..." then what on earth makes you think he's going to be magically given the power to do what he wants to do (and that sends chills down my spine) when the right time comes? I mean, if this guy is willing to lay low and "stay sheep for a while" by providing the PTB with everything they desire while simultaneously destroying countless lives, the economy, and this country in the process, how can you possibly believe he is going to miraculously grow a heart and turn on those who really placed him office, TPTB--never mind considering for a moment how he could pull that feat off and still live?

[13th Warrior]

Maybe I did not make myself clear. I did not suggest (at all) that "this man" has done everything wrong for his country. I think he has not enough power (at this moment) to make a big difference. i think at this moment he has to play both sides so eventually he can make a Big difference.

Bye the way... you are right that I come from a Dreamworld. I dream of a world of Peace and Abundance. Obama is part and cause of this ... ;)


Well then; Mr. Obama better start getting on with it then as he is running low on time...

[risveglio]

I dream of a world of Peace and Abundance. Obama is part and cause of this ... ;)

How can you say Obama brings Peace and Abundance? Is Peace bombing 5 countries? And what abundance? Under his watch our debt almost doubled and he still has a year and a half. The fact is that he has done nothing right and now he is going against another one of his campaign promises and allowing raids on Medical Marijuana clinics. I am sorry that you fell for the "dream", I did too and voted for the man and have been regretting it since he took office.

[shamballaOn]

All I am saying is that Obama doesn't have the power to stop al the miserable things the US is doing. Still risveglio, 13th warrior, ceetee9 and mare are reacting as if Obama has this Power.

I do agree that the US is doing a lot of wrong. In my opinion Obama is a good guy that is not able, at this moment, to stop this... But he is a wolf in sheepclothes (for the PTB)

If you react to this with examples of wrong-doing of the US... you are not getting my point. (which can be my fault of not getting my message through in englisch...:( )

[Mare]

I think you are misquoting me shamballaOn, I am saying Obama has no power, he is a puppet.

[shamballaOn]

I think you are misquoting me shamballaOn, I am saying Obama has no power, he is a puppet.

@Mare,... you are right... i misquote you... I am sorry for that.

But I don't agree that Obama is a puppet. There is a difference between being a puppet and having not enough Power. I think Obama has a lot of power... just not enough to control everything.

And you are also right that Ktlight has the right to post as many treads as he/she wants... my question was however: Does he/she really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting he/she find on the internet?

[ktlight]

And you are also right that Ktlight has the right to post as many treads as he/she wants... my question was however: Does he/she really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting he/she find on the internet?

Well, I obviously do not post EVERYTHING I find on the internet, not all of it is worth it. I post only what I think is useful to us here at PA. I note that you have posted NOTHING.

[shamballaOn]

And you are also right that Ktlight has the right to post as many treads as he/she wants... my question was however: Does he/she really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting he/she find on the internet?

Well, I obviously do not post EVERYTHING I find on the internet, not all of it is worth it. I post only what I think is useful to us here at PA. I note that you have posted NOTHING.

I stand corrected...

[jcocks]

Funny thing - Sometimes he stands up and seems to do things in everyone's best interest.... and then he does other things that leave you questioning WHY?

But at the core of it, the fact remains that he's not his own man. Sure - he could have done his own thing - the right thing - and he would have

a) Been replaced by a doppleganger

b) been done away with.

If he had been killed - publically - he would have died loved, but he would have not lived anywhere near long enough to actually do anything of substance.
If he was quietly replaced by a doppleganger...well....what's to say we're not looking at one now???

I have to admit though, that I had *REALLY* good feelings about the guy when he came into power....So maybe it's just a matter of us not yet seeing who he can really be when he is *really* given a chance to do what it is he *WANTS* to do for America (and the world) ***WITHOUT*** being killed.... But I've gotta say I'm not really sure this is the case....

One thing is for certain though... Saying that Obama is just bush 2.0 is giving Bush a compliment he doesn't deserve...

[13th Warrior]

All I am saying is that Obama doesn't have the power to stop al the miserable things the US is doing. Still risveglio, 13th warrior, ceetee9 and mare are reacting as if Obama has this Power.

I do agree that the US is doing a lot of wrong. In my opinion Obama is a good guy that is not able, at this moment, to stop this... But he is a wolf in sheepclothes (for the PTB)

If you react to this with examples of wrong-doing of the US... you are not getting my point. (which can be my fault of not getting my message through in englisch...:( )

I'm sorry shamballaOn i do not follow your logic...


All I am saying is that Obama doesn't have the power to stop al the miserable things the US is doing. Still risveglio, 13th warrior, ceetee9 and mare are reacting as if Obama has this Power.




But I don't agree that Obama is a puppet. There is a difference between being a puppet and having not enough Power. I think Obama has a lot of power... just not enough to control everything.



In no way did my comment imply that i believe that Mr. Obama has power; my comment is a reflection of your statements that Mr. Obama has/has not the power to cause change for the greater good.

[risveglio]

One thing is for certain though... Saying that Obama is just bush 2.0 is giving Bush a compliment he doesn't deserve...

Can you show me where there is a difference between Obama and Bush? The Patriot Act? No. Wars against 3rd World Nations? No. The Economy and his Economic Advisors? No. Big Government? No. Raiding medical cliincs? No. I am sorry but I fail to see how Obama is not just GWB on steroids.

[shamballaOn]

I am a little surprised.... Avalon is the place I go for my information. I like Inelia and the new energy and path this forum is going. Before that it was a somewhat down, kil, ice. In the time of Charles i did not even want to be here. The excluding of 3ToneJaguar amased me. Extremely. He was one of the members that inspired me. Now that the forum has taking another direction I feel free to post.

I am surprised by the Obama bashing on this forum. I consider myself part of Light, ascension, upgrade my frequenty, Inelia Course and, if I can say so, new direction of Bill Ryan.

Does everybody here sees Obama as the bad guy? It would very much surprise me...

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Dear shamballaOn:

I understand where you are coming from ~ I too dream of peace and harmony and a world that will support it ~ and yes, one leader can make a difference. We have seen that with Ghandi and Martin Luther King, etc., and I honestly don't want to crush your dream of Obama as in order for something to happen I believe we must dream it first.

On the other hand we must look at patterns in this timeline as well, to see how we can do it better in the new timeline. Otherwise we keep repeating the same mistakes with different faces. Obama broke two campaign promises before he even got into office. 1) that he wouldn't take campaign money from corporations 2) that he wouldn't vote for the bill (forgot now what it was called) that gave AT&T and other companies the right to tape into phone conversations. If a man breaks two promises BEFORE he gets into office, what does that tell you he is going to do once he gets into office. Note: Goldman Sachs was one of his biggest financial supporters. This says much.

Now, let's say Obama is a totally honest man who just CAN'T do what he wants just yet and he has to go along with TPTB as a temporary facade. This is how they get you. Once you have become tainted, you can now be blackmailed. I suggest you read (if you haven't already) John Perkins book "Economic Hitman" He shows how some very well-intentioned people get pulled into the terrible web of TPTB.

IMO it's almost impossible for someone who is already in politics to change the system anymore. Check out Dennis Kucinich. He tried. TPTB make sure you get no press except bad press. If a hero arrives on this scene, IMO, they will come from another sector of society.

[risveglio]

Does everybody here sees Obama as the bad guy? It would very much surprise me...

If you do not see him as a bad guy, then you need to open your eyes. What good has he done?

[Robstar]

I love the way this so called "useful info" is posted in order to influence our vote one way or the other.
We get it!
The game is rigged and we know it. They are all bad, Obama, Bush, or any other puppet it does not matter. You are preaching to the the wrong people here.
Americans get it!
So to me , using your energy to post this "useful info" speaks volumes about your mindset towards this situation. I also find it kind of funny, politics about The U.S coming from outside the U.S (original poster).
There far better battles be fought than who is the puppet of today.

[bitworm]

You can put anyone in the Oval Office and there will always be plenty people who will proclaim it's the antichrist, evil dictator , reptile, power elite. This is a given. If there is a new POTUS elected in 2012, this person will become the new antichrist, evil dictator, reptile power elite. Always 2x worse than the previous so it can be justified 'this' person is the real antichrist evil dictator reptile power elite, we were wrong about the last one, (s)he was just a minion.

Truth is, it's just men (and women playing mens' games). Perhaps it would be better if it were women (and men playing womens' games).

Put the TV on CSPAN and watch them for some weeks. Every time there is a vote, it's never a surprise what the outcome will be; everyone already knows who votes which way. Because one office calls another and says to them vote for our bill and I'll vote for one of yours, or if you don't tone down the rhetoric, me and my pals are not gonna vote for your bill and furthermore, there are some pictures of you in a bathroom stall that might show up on TMZ tomorrow if you don't go to the podium and say this. Throw on several layers of abstraction into the mix (and a lot of fake money), and when you turn on CSPAN, you'll see the finished product.

It's not always some evil conspiracy. Usually, it's just high school for grown folks. The more serious issues have always been going on, we just now have has a peek behind the curtain because the availability of information grew too fast to keep a lid on. And if you take a good look around, you'll see the lid has now come back down nice and tight.

[shamballaOn]

Does everybody here sees Obama as the bad guy? It would very much surprise me...
:eek:

[Maia Gabrial]

GOOD video, ktlight. As always you've found interesting topics to present the forum. It's amazing the things you find. Keep up the fantastic job, ktlight!
I agree with everything he said. His reasoning was sound. And his baby girl is a cutie!

[Jake]

Does everybody here sees Obama as the bad guy? It would very much surprise me...
:eek:

Hello ShamballaOn.
Not THE bad guy. But definately ONE of them. Sorry,,,, This man is NOT on my side! You do not get to that level without it being planned and controlled.

I have to admit,, I did not trust him from the beginning! I did not vote this time around, so I do not feel that I can spend too much time complaining.

analogy;

If I was looking at a menu that only had two options, Kangaroo scat, or Brown Bear scat,,, I WOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN WHAT THEY HAD TO OFFER!!!

Sorry for being obtuse. The reality is that most EVERYONE has realized that his presidency is a rouse.

[Peace of Mind]

Despite how many times the congregation preaches to the choir on these boards. Outside of this place people/followers will still vote for a leader. Then complain again while their leaders continue to collect their dividends and emotional energy. Presidency is obviously a flawed system (for a reason) but to talk about it and do nothing to change it is just as bad as being ignorant to it…maybe even worse.

At least the sleepers do go out and exercise their right; they actually believe they are doing what it takes to bring about change. What they really need is broaden awareness. I wish most of the positive discussions on this board could reach out to the masses…as of right now; this place is just a whisper in the wind. The main (probably only) people that come here know something isn’t right with the world and are not satisfied with the solutions/answers giving to them by their governments. Most of the populace is accustomed to be lead…so we (the people here) must think of ways to lead, or be the examples for the world to see. As of right now, it seems like more division… where the wise like minded are confined in cyberspace while the people that really need them wonder blindly about just outside their homes…waiting to be awakened.

This place can do a great service to humanity if we can just concentrate more of our energy in creating threads focusing on the solutions….instead of spawning countless subjects about the problems…which hardly ever gets discussed in a constructive and beneficial manner.

The theme here (these days) seems to be more about fear mongering on unconfirmed reports. This has turned me (and others) away because it brings in too much negative energy. In the older days similar topics would pop up and people would give constructive opinions, ideas, and criticism on how to deal with any problem. By the time the thread was 2 pages deep a solution was evident. Now many of the topics are riddled with small talk, fear and excuses. They more than likely end up as worrisome thoughts lingering around in their minds because no solution was presented with the problem….see where I’m coming from?

I’m not sure if I overlooked any of the topics that give info and/or excises to be used on the outside of the PC world...but there should be more so we can all start seeing the results we desire. Further more, the forums move much faster now so topics are plenty and easily missed. A bit more management may be required…as topics with some unique info can easily be pushed to the back and become hidden from view. Saturation without organization can be a hugh deterrent….especially when facts and fictions are mixed together.

Unite, mind melt and accomplish is my humble proposal, as I see too many bright minds unknowingly locked away in cyberspace; your services are truly required elsewhere. This is not a rant or lecture; I/we just want to see more unity and candid strides. If we honestly worked in unison to rectify the issues we already know exist… we will hardly ever notice any problems, no doubts about that. It’s true that the world can be extremely hypocritical at times, however, my hypocrisy can only go but so far…

Peace

[Lost Soul]

@Ktlight:

Do you really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting you find on the internet?

About Obama:
I see him as a person that can make a difference. He is up against a lot. He is on our side!! (maybe that means not on yours?) Why this constantly bashing him and try to put him down? If you can really feel him instead of mentally reading trash about him and put everything you find about him as a tread... I think that would make a big difference.

Still drinking the Kool-aid and caught up in the myth of the leader who will deliver us from the evil of Bush? Obama is owned by the corporations. Look at who he puts in his cabinet. Tommy Geitner from the NY Federal Reserve. Paulson comes from Goldman Sachs. He brought in a whole host of Clintonites. So much for change. It's the same people. All of Obama's bailouts have benefited his masters on Wall Street.

On war, I don't know why the neo-cons don't embrace Obama. For a Nobel Peace Prize winner, he hasn't disengaged us from Iraq. We're still in Afghanistan and now have a quasi-war with Pakistan as shown by our drones that deliver missiles or bombs on wedding parties. He "unilaterally" decided to bomb Libya. American special forces and drones are operating in Yemen. That's three more wars than Dubya. Not enough fighting? Well, the U.S. is staged to enter the ground war in Libya and Khadaffi has given AK-47s and thousands of rounds of ammunition as well as anti-tank RPG-7s to individual families. It's going to be a bloodbath when NATO and the US goes in. If the US is stupid enough to go into Syria, then it will be at war with Hezbollah and its paymaster, Iran. The neo-cons should love the hope and change man for his imperialistic ambitions.

On the homefront, he re-newed the Patriot Act which eviscerated the Fourth Amendment protection against unwarranted search and seizure. T. S. A. is now at subway stations, railroad depots and on the highway. Instead of less federal intrusion into the lives of private citizens, there is more. T. S. A. now gets to yank your weenie or feel your mother's crotch at the airport. The T. S. A. didn't even do that when Bush was around.

Obama rammed through ObamaCare which allows the federal government access into private savings accounts and to seize the same (no court order needed anymore). Our medical records are now accessible to the federal government and guess what, if you've got cancer and you're over 64, you'll be allowed to select methods of your euthanization.

The wealth of most Americans have decreased since Obama took office. Inflation is the invisible tax that is destroying them. The dollar has devalued 60% when you consider that gold was only $895 an ounce as compared to $1529 (today's spot). Gas was less than $2 and now is $4 in some areas. Commodities increased 30% since the Nov. 2010 election and that was a strong contributing factor to the Arab Spring (North African uprising due to unemployment and increased food prices that rose when commodities rose).

Obama on our side? Please, quaff my share of Kool-Aid.

It's not that I like Bush, I don't. Both Demoncrats and Republicraps are owned by Wall Street.

[shamballaOn]

You don't get to be president of the U.S. if you aren't "in" on it. TPTB give us 2 men of their choice to choose from ~ doesn't matter which one wins, either way, he's in their pocket.

IMO we are never going to change this from the top down and as long as we keep thinking "if we just change who's in office - things will change" we have been shackled. We spend much time and money supporting new candidates, never catching on that they are all of their choice ~ at least the ones that make it onto the ballot. Bush, Clinton, Obama - they are all in the same club, they are just pretending to be on different teams to keep us in the dark.


Bush, Clinton, Obama.... in the same club ????? ... I don't think so... It is , in my opinion, much more complicated.

Same club? I don't think so, I really don't think so...

But then.... I could be wrong...

[Fred Steeves]

Does everybody here sees Obama as the bad guy? It would very much surprise me...


It more than surprises me that someone who thinks that ANY current or recent president has the people's best interest at heart would be posting support at a place like Avalon. If you're posting now just to stir the ole s**t pot then knock yourself out man.

Cheers,
Fred

[shamballaOn]

Does everybody here sees Obama as the bad guy? It would very much surprise me...


It more than surprises me that someone who thinks that ANY current or recent president has the people's best interest at heart would be posting support at a place like Avalon. If you're posting now just to stir the ole s**t pot then knock yourself out man.

Cheers,
Fred

Thats funny because I have no interest in stirring any pot. Just a honest question on Obama...

If you react so strong to a simple question maybe I did not make myself clear enough. I will try to do so then... as I have nothing to hide:

I come from The Netherlands: 100 %

I believe that Obama is a good guy: 90 %

I an very very surprised, as a Avalon member, that Obama is being trashed here: 100%

I could be totally wrong about believing in Obama: 100 %

I am surprised about getting the advise to knock out myself... ??? ... 100 %

respect,

ShamballaOn

[Lost Soul]

Reminds me of the old warning against possible defections to the West, The claws of the KGB are long and sharp. Central Planning has arrived!

[Lost Soul]

ShamballaOn - with all respects, please go to YouTube and look up Webster Tarpley. He's a journalist/historian/linguist. Also look up Catherine Fitts, former Under-Secretary of Housing in the Reagan Administration. Listen to what they have to say about what the American Government is doing. Another good one to look up is the apolitical Gerald Celente. He also has many video clips on YouTube. You may want to also look up John Perkins, who has already been suggested to you and is the author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman. All four people have different backgrounds yet they carry similar messages.

By their deeds, you shall know them or as I was told, judge a man not by his words but by his actions. Find out what Obama has done in office and ignore the propaganda propagated by the mainstream media.

A thousand blessings upon you on your path toward the light.

[Moemers]

This is from Faux News...am I missing something?

[shamballaOn]

ShamballaOn - with all respects, please go to YouTube and look up Webster Tarpley. He's a journalist/historian/linguist. Also look up Catherine Fitts, former Under-Secretary of Housing in the Reagan Administration. Listen to what they have to say about what the American Government is doing. Another good one to look up is the apolitical Gerald Celente. He also has many video clips on YouTube. You may want to also look up John Perkins, who has already been suggested to you and is the author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman. All four people have different backgrounds yet they carry similar messages.

By their deeds, you shall know them or as I was told, judge a man not by his words but by his actions. Find out what Obama has done in office and ignore the propaganda propagated by the mainstream media.

A thousand blessings upon you on your path toward the light.

@Lost Soul - thanks for the advise... I will for sure look into all you have stated here and get back to you...

it can take some time... some days...

[Maia Gabrial]

I stopped listening to Flux News. And I'm better for it....

[bitworm]

I am surprised about getting the advise to knock out myself... ??? ... 100 %

respect,

ShamballaOn

It's a figure of speech. He doesn't mean literally knock yourself out. It means don't let anyone stop you (making posts) except yourself when you become tired of it.

[Lost Soul]

Here, I'll make it easy for you:

Interview by Webster Tarpley with Evelyn Pringle, Part I (http://www.youtube.com/user/WebsterTarpleyVideos?blend=22&ob=5#p/a/A800B52529E2C894/0/rnTTAFVRzpI)
Interview by Webster Tarpley with Evelyn Pringle, Part II (http://www.youtube.com/user/WebsterTarpleyVideos?blend=22&ob=5#p/a/66873969E8260688/0/6Mj_V8joerw)
Interview by Webster Tarpley with Evelyn Pringle, Part III (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe5SN3i_0xc)

Gerald Celente interview:

Celente interviewed by Russia Today and his comments on Obama staff, Link (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_iR5C_BzU)
Celente on deficit spending and giving money to the too big to fail: Link (http://www.youtube.com/user/GeraldCelenteChannel?blend=3&ob=5#p/u/44/2Vf0yswWTPY)

[onawah]

What evidence is there that anyone in the office of President today could do any better?
Even if Ron Paul or Kucinich had been elected (miniscule chances of that happening!), does anyone really think either of them could have wrested power away from the controllers for even a day and lived to tell the tale, or lived in the knowledge that their loved ones were safe?
It's so much more complicated than that.
I think it's pretty clear Obama didn't know what he was getting into, though he may have thought he did. US Presidents have only been told what they "need to know" for quite some time now by their handlers, and it's apparently only after they are elected that they really begin to understand this.
Personally, I am still vastly relieved to see someone with some human feeling, some charm and intelligence representing this country instead of a moronic boor like Bush.
I think it's likely that if Obama is reelected and there is any chance that he can actually do some good without him or his loved ones getting killed for it, he will go the distance.
So why bash the controlled when it's the controllers who need to be exposed?
Let's be real. We could have done a lot worse.
Does anyone actually think McCain and Sarah Palin would have been better?

[Arrowwind]

Really. Short of full blown revolution in the streets by the majority of people we will continue to have liars, deceivers and puppets for TPTB as president and elected officials.
As long as the military industrial complex is supported we will get wars.
As long as trade of military goods with other nations continues there will be even more wars.
As long as the pharmaceutical industry is the most powerful lobby in the nation
we will have dangerous drugs and repression of truth
As long as Monsanto rules agriculture though intimation and forced compliance we will be heading for global food crisis.
As long as the Federal Reserve keeps printing money we will continue to go further into debt and eventual bankruptcy
As long as a war on drugs continues we will have overflowing prisons and be the greatest nation of incarceration in the world.
As long as they kill truth speakers in positions of power we will be slaves.

It really has nothing to do with who is president
and most certainly Obama deceived us.

Someday I would like to know what event brought forth such cowardness on his part?
or is he a deceiver at heart from the beginning?

[Arc]

All I am saying is that Obama doesn't have the power to stop al the miserable things the US is doing. Still risveglio, 13th warrior, ceetee9 and mare are reacting as if Obama has this Power.

I do agree that the US is doing a lot of wrong. In my opinion Obama is a good guy that is not able, at this moment, to stop this... But he is a wolf in sheepclothes (for the PTB)

If you react to this with examples of wrong-doing of the US... you are not getting my point. (which can be my fault of not getting my message through in englisch...:( )

That is an interesting theory, which remains to be proven. I believed in Obama originally as an agent of change leading up to his election.

As of now, there is data and evidence to form a track record - and that track record shows that he is still carrying out the agenda of the controllers. Yes, with your theory, he has to lay low until some tipping point, I get it. But, almost 4 years is pretty significant, and there is MUCH pent up energy at the grass roots level that he could easily gain support on any maverick moves (in the people's favor). But, based on the bulk of his current tenure, why should we have such blind faith?? So far he has only shown to be aligned with Goldman Sachs, bank bailouts, war machines, propaganda, taxation, expanded powers of the executive branch, expanded 'emergency' powers, drone assassinations, indefinite imprisonments without trial (hey is Guantanamo still open?), internet censorship, non-disclosure, TSA abuses, FDA abuses, and ultimately - STATUS QUO, not change.

I would welcome this type of super-man moment that you suggest where he turns on the establishment, but I have much less 'Hope' after almost a full term of the opposite. Why would we give him another term? (yes, WE - I did vote for him - only with the Hope he was the real thing). I do believe that there was still a silver lining in electing him, though. I believe that even if he does no real good in his term, that his election (err... appointment by the electoral college, I mean) was critical to healing some of the racial divide in America. But, that said, his track record is no better than his predecessors - and it's time he goes - or "steps up" as you suggest.

[Davidallany]

It's better that we refrain from voting, it's the least one can do.

[onawah]

"I believe that even if he does no real good in his term, that his election (err... appointment by the electoral college, I mean) was critical to healing some of the racial divide in America. But, that said, his track record is no better than his predecessors - and it's time he goes - or "steps up" as you suggest."


So you think that Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachman and the like will do a better job?
That's not really getting real now, is it?

[jcocks]

I love how you guys are trying to tell us that Obama is responsible for what's happening. Hello??? He's just the PR guy! He has very little control over what happens...

It's like when Bush came into power - I had a dream that it wasn't so much he who was evil, but the people behind him...and when I mean evil, I mean EVIL.... And I wouldn't be surprised if the very same people are behind Obama.....

Obama himself, is a good person IMO, but he is in a bad job and is *NOT* his own master.

[jcocks]

Remember about 6 months ago, obama was acting really strange and erratic - not turning up to meetings on time, etc...?
Now - all confident....doesn't seem to be the same person, does he?

[Arc]

"I believe that even if he does no real good in his term, that his election (err... appointment by the electoral college, I mean) was critical to healing some of the racial divide in America. But, that said, his track record is no better than his predecessors - and it's time he goes - or "steps up" as you suggest.

So you think that Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachman and the like will do a better job?
That's not really getting real now, is it?

No, I didn't say those were better alternatives, if you read the post. No need to infer that.

[Arc]

I love how you guys are trying to tell us that Obama is responsible for what's happening. Hello??? He's just the PR guy! He has very little control over what happens...

It's like when Bush came into power - I had a dream that it wasn't so much he who was evil, but the people behind him...and when I mean evil, I mean EVIL.... And I wouldn't be surprised if the very same people are behind Obama.....

Obama himself, is a good person IMO, but he is in a bad job and is *NOT* his own master.

No, I would not suggest that, he is responsible for everything. And, I totally agree that he is the PR man. However, it would fall short to say he has little control over what happens. He holds an important office with legitimate and real power (not absolute, but significant powers), and he if he chooses to just do "PR" instead of exercise his powers in favor of good, and in the interest of the people, then he is wasting his opportunity to be a real leader. There is much he could do, albeit in taking risks against the controllers, but he chooses to act according to the puppet script at this point.

[Lost Soul]

I love how you guys are trying to tell us that Obama is responsible for what's happening. Hello??? He's just the PR guy! He has very little control over what happens...

It's like when Bush came into power - I had a dream that it wasn't so much he who was evil, but the people behind him...and when I mean evil, I mean EVIL.... And I wouldn't be surprised if the very same people are behind Obama.....

Obama himself, is a good person IMO, but he is in a bad job and is *NOT* his own master.

Look up the George Green interview. George says both parties are controlled by TPTB during each election. They select the two candidates whom we will "vote" for. When G. W. H. Bush (the father and republicrap) could not pass NAFTA, it passed under Clinton (the democrap). Obama knows who and what he is. Listen to those interviews by Webster Tarpley that I have linked at an earlier post.

[risveglio]

What evidence is there that anyone in the office of President today could do any better?
Even if Ron Paul or Kucinich had been elected (miniscule chances of that happening!), does anyone really think either of them could have wrested power away from the controllers for even a day and lived to tell the tale, or lived in the knowledge that their loved ones were safe?
It's so much more complicated than that.
I think it's pretty clear Obama didn't know what he was getting into, though he may have thought he did. US Presidents have only been told what they "need to know" for quite some time now by their handlers, and it's apparently only after they are elected that they really begin to understand this.
Personally, I am still vastly relieved to see someone with some human feeling, some charm and intelligence representing this country instead of a moronic boor like Bush.
I think it's likely that if Obama is reelected and there is any chance that he can actually do some good without him or his loved ones getting killed for it, he will go the distance.
So why bash the controlled when it's the controllers who need to be exposed?
Let's be real. We could have done a lot worse.
Does anyone actually think McCain and Sarah Palin would have been better?

I am sorry but do you really believe this [mod-edit: removed offensive comment]? Do you really think Ron Paul would have asked for the debt ceiling to be raised four times in two years? Do you really think Ron Paul would allow for an assassination order on US citizens? Ron Paul would of had our troops home from Afganistan and Iraq. Ron Paul would not be bombing Yemen and Pakistan and definitely would never have started a war in Libya. Ron Paul would not have signed into law and economy/freedom destroying health care bill. Nor would he have allowed for the stimulus, cash for clunkers or for the TSA to get away with any of this. The fact is there is little difference between Obama and Bush and in reality Bush was probably a little better since at least he asked for permission from Congress before starting his unconstitutional wars. You want us to accept Obama because McCain MAY have been a little worse. No, I don't buy it. This president has more power than any of his predecessors and have completely no care for the constitution, the rule of law or the American people. [mod-edit: suggesting people be put in front of a firing squad is not OK on this forum]

[Omni]

The time that he can do more will come. (in my humble opinion) At least on my timeline.

I repeat: On my timeline there will be a time where Obama will and can do more...

At that time it will also be clear why he was not been able to do more at the present time.

I think Inelia and Bill have created a psuedo-perspective in having our individual choices construct the entire timeline for planet earth to be honest. We are all occupying the same timeline IMO. When I see someone say "in my timeline such and such will happen" it just seems to be naivety to me to be honest. I hope you don't take offense to that sham. I just see that particular belief deluded. As if we individually control the timeline of earth for all, as if it's all revolving around our single choice and that is what creates the collective reality and timeline that is earth :rolleyes: I chose a timeline where I wasn't mind controlled and tortured. I woke up the next day to mind control and shortly after I was tortured. lol. It's complete BS IMO.

There is absolutely no evidence of us controlling individually, the timeline of the whole planet(unless you are talking about DIRECT ACTION, like MLK). Such is a delusion of grandeur IMO. And an area I do not like Inelia's influence on people. I could be wrong. But I see it as complete disinfo.

There are other people inhabiting our reality. Do you decide the entire timeline for all of them too? I see the timeline stuff as another way to make us inactive in changing things. As if we just think about change and it will just magically happen... It's disempowering IMO and I relate it to the saviorship model of Jesus, or the GFoL.

[bitworm]

Looks like history repeating itself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal#Farm_and_rural_programs

[onawah]

What evidence is there that anyone in the office of President today could do any better?
Even if Ron Paul or Kucinich had been elected (miniscule chances of that happening!), does anyone really think either of them could have wrested power away from the controllers for even a day and lived to tell the tale, or lived in the knowledge that their loved ones were safe?
It's so much more complicated than that.
I think it's pretty clear Obama didn't know what he was getting into, though he may have thought he did. US Presidents have only been told what they "need to know" for quite some time now by their handlers, and it's apparently only after they are elected that they really begin to understand this.
Personally, I am still vastly relieved to see someone with some human feeling, some charm and intelligence representing this country instead of a moronic boor like Bush.
I think it's likely that if Obama is reelected and there is any chance that he can actually do some good without him or his loved ones getting killed for it, he will go the distance.
So why bash the controlled when it's the controllers who need to be exposed?
Let's be real. We could have done a lot worse.
Does anyone actually think McCain and Sarah Palin would have been better?

I am sorry but do you really believe this [mod-edit: removed offensive comment]? Do you really think Ron Paul would have asked for the debt ceiling to be raised four times in two years? Do you really think Ron Paul would allow for an assassination order on US citizens? Ron Paul would of had our troops home from Afganistan and Iraq. Ron Paul would not be bombing Yemen and Pakistan and definitely would never have started a war in Libya. Ron Paul would not have signed into law and economy/freedom destroying health care bill. Nor would he have allowed for the stimulus, cash for clunkers or for the TSA to get away with any of this. The fact is there is little difference between Obama and Bush and in reality Bush was probably a little better since at least he asked for permission from Congress before starting his unconstitutional wars. You want us to accept Obama because McCain MAY have been a little worse. No, I don't buy it. This president has more power than any of his predecessors and have completely no care for the constitution, the rule of law or the American people. [mod-edit: suggesting people be put in front of a firing squad is not OK on this forum]

I would not have written what I did if I did not mean it. If you do not agree, that is no matter, but your rudeness does not recommend your opinion and convinces me even more that you are only itching for a fight and that is a waste of time and space on this forum.

[Humble Janitor]

Uploaded by StormCloudsGathering on Jun 21, 2011
I had a conversation with Obama supporter this weekend, and I came to a surprising realization: Those who are still supporting Obama have a psychological, intellectual and emotional profile that is nearly identical to those who supported Bush even after it was clear that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq472IGvhtc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq472IGvhtc&feature=related

Let's not judge people like this.

No matter who you vote for, you will not win.

Obama or whoever runs against him, are all on the same team.

[onawah]

"I believe that even if he does no real good in his term, that his election (err... appointment by the electoral college, I mean) was critical to healing some of the racial divide in America. But, that said, his track record is no better than his predecessors - and it's time he goes - or "steps up" as you suggest.

So you think that Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachman and the like will do a better job?
That's not really getting real now, is it?

No, I didn't say those were better alternatives, if you read the post. No need to infer that.


Apologies.To clarify, I was only addressing the comments by Arc ""I believe that even if he does no real good in his term, that his election (err... appointment by the electoral college, I mean) was critical to healing some of the racial divide in America. But, that said, his track record is no better than his predecessors - and it's time he goes - or "steps up" as you suggest."

My response was: "So you think that Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachman and the like will do a better job?
That's not really getting real now, is it?"

[mod-edit: I cleaned up some of the quoting in this post and the ones it quoted, so that it was clearer who said what. As a result, this post is perhaps less necessary. I'll just leave it here anyway. -Paul.]

[The One]

Goose Fra Ba

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Lol

[The One]

8507

This pratt is lying through is teeth yet again check what he said about Nasa.We all know the air force is running the space programme.

Answering a question in a Twitter town hall meeting today, President Obama suggested spaceflight is stuck in the Apollo-era mode and said NASA needs a technological breakthrough to allow faster, longer spaceflight with a goal of getting astronauts to Mars.

"Frankly I have been pushing NASA to revamp its vision," Obama said. "The shuttle did some extraordinary work in low orbit: experiments, the International Space Station, moving cargo. It was an extraordinary accomplishment and we're very proud of the work that it did. But now what we need is that next technological breakthrough .http://www.space.com/12189-obama-technological-breakthrough-space.html

We’re still using the same models for space travel that we used with the Apollo program, 30, 40 years ago. And so what we've said is: Rather than keep on doing the same thing, let's invest in basic research around new technologies that can get us places faster, allow human spaceflight to last longer. And what you're seeing now is NASA, I think, redefining its mission.

We've set a goal: Let's ultimately get to Mars," the president said while fielding questions from Twitter users about the economy and other subjects. "A good pit stop is an asteroid." He joked that a specific asteroid has not been chosen.

Obama was clear in alluding to what some critics have said: NASA's human spaceflight program has been stuck flying circles around Earth for decades. [What Obama and Congress Should Do for Spaceflight and Exploration]

"Let's start stretching the boundaries so we’re not doing the same thing over and over again," he said. "Rather, let’s start thinking about what’s the next horizon? What’s the next frontier out there? But in order to do that, we’re actually going to need some technological breakthroughs that we don't have yet."

The president did not dismiss low-Earth orbit efforts, but put that responsibility on the shoulders of private enterprise. Let the private sector handle routine tasks of sending vehicles into Earth orbit, he said.

And he mentioned how that could, in time, lead to space tourism:

"We may be able to achieve a point in time where — those of you who are just dying to go into space — you can buy a ticket and a private carrier can potentially take you up there while the government focuses on the big breakthroughs that require much more larger investments and involve much greater risk

Latest on nasa http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Technology/Space-Shuttle-Sky-News-Gains-Access-To-Orion-Vehicle-Which-Nasa-Hopes-Is-Future-Of-Space-Travel/Article/201107116025497?lpos=Technology_Third_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region__0&lid=ARTICLE_16025497_Space_Shuttle%3A_Sky_News_Gains_Access_To_Orion_Vehicle%2C_Which_Nasa_Hopes_Is_ Future_Of_Space_Travel

[rgray222]

A couple of things immediately jump out at me after watching this video. This guy says he did not vote for Obama nor did he vote for McCain, the logical conclusion is that he did not vote. My thinking is that if you did not vote you really do not have the right to complain about whichever candidate was elected.

On the issue of weapons of mass destruction. this myth has been flying around from day one and strongly supported by the mainstream media. I am not sure what we are suppose to call the mustard gas that Saddam unleashed on the Kurds when three hundred thousand men woman and children died but to me that is pretty clear evidence of WMD.

Also it is clear that this guy had thought out his words (reasonably well) prior to making the video. The baby was clearly being used as a prop, this is no different the a politician kissing a baby when he/she is on the campaign trail. If you want my attention, say what you have to say clearly, concisely and leave the props home!

I did not vote for Obama and I did (reluctantly) vote for McCain but once Obama was elected, I thought there are things about him which are good and it will be a nice change in Washington. No lobbyist on the White House Staff, abolish the patriot act, no earmarks, close gitmo, get us out of the wars, go line by line in the budget and eliminate unnecessary spending, tackle the immigration issue in his first year and transparency to name just a few. I honestly believe that Obama's legacy will be one of broken promises. What a shame because he could have made a difference.

Lastly, this business of both parties being the same has really only come about since 2008. Obama defined himself as a President that would make a difference. This is how he won the election. The sad reality, now that we are in the light of day is that he had no intention of being the candidate of true change. He told everyone what they wanted to hear but had no intention of delivering on the majority of his promises. Don't let Obama make you apathetic about our candidates, there will be people who can make a real difference and it is up to us to find them, promote them and elect them! Some of them may be on the fringe today but they will be mainstream at some point!

[Humble Janitor]

The funny thing is that Michelle Obama has been trying to point out anything positive, if at all from Obama's record. The media, especially the right-wing, hardcore birther media, have done nothing but ignore it while bashing away.

You know, even if you don't vote for the guy or agree with him personally, is all the hatred/scorn really worth it?

Ditto for Bush. I was pretty nasty in my opinion of Bush and when I look back on it? Complete waste of time. I knew what team he was playing for, I just wanted someone to hate/blame at the time.

[risveglio]

What evidence is there that anyone in the office of President today could do any better?
Even if Ron Paul or Kucinich had been elected (miniscule chances of that happening!), does anyone really think either of them could have wrested power away from the controllers for even a day and lived to tell the tale, or lived in the knowledge that their loved ones were safe?
It's so much more complicated than that.
I think it's pretty clear Obama didn't know what he was getting into, though he may have thought he did. US Presidents have only been told what they "need to know" for quite some time now by their handlers, and it's apparently only after they are elected that they really begin to understand this.
Personally, I am still vastly relieved to see someone with some human feeling, some charm and intelligence representing this country instead of a moronic boor like Bush.
I think it's likely that if Obama is reelected and there is any chance that he can actually do some good without him or his loved ones getting killed for it, he will go the distance.
So why bash the controlled when it's the controllers who need to be exposed?
Let's be real. We could have done a lot worse.
Does anyone actually think McCain and Sarah Palin would have been better?

I am sorry but do you really believe this [mod-edit: removed offensive comment]? Do you really think Ron Paul would have asked for the debt ceiling to be raised four times in two years? Do you really think Ron Paul would allow for an assassination order on US citizens? Ron Paul would of had our troops home from Afganistan and Iraq. Ron Paul would not be bombing Yemen and Pakistan and definitely would never have started a war in Libya. Ron Paul would not have signed into law and economy/freedom destroying health care bill. Nor would he have allowed for the stimulus, cash for clunkers or for the TSA to get away with any of this. The fact is there is little difference between Obama and Bush and in reality Bush was probably a little better since at least he asked for permission from Congress before starting his unconstitutional wars. You want us to accept Obama because McCain MAY have been a little worse. No, I don't buy it. This president has more power than any of his predecessors and have completely no care for the constitution, the rule of law or the American people. [mod-edit: suggesting people be put in front of a firing squad is not OK on this forum]

I would not have written what I did if I did not mean it. If you do not agree, that is no matter, but your rudeness does not recommend your opinion and convinces me even more that you are only itching for a fight and that is a waste of time and space on this forum.

Ok, take your ball and go home despite every one of my points is fact. This man will go down as one of the worst presidents we have ever had. He has done NOTHING good for this country.

[Humble Janitor]

Neither has Bush but I don't see people worked up in such a lather against him.

In fact, people are already starting to view him with rose-colored glasses much like they viewed Reagan.

[andrewgreen]

he is psychopath, listen to the red ice interview with Thomas Sheridan really interesting.

[Lost Soul]

A couple of things immediately jump out at me after watching this video. This guy says he did not vote for Obama nor did he vote for McCain, the logical conclusion is that he did not vote. My thinking is that if you did not vote you really do not have the right to complain about whichever candidate was elected.

Disagree. He voted like I did, third party.

[risveglio]

Let's talk facts. Here is more proof that our current emperor is worse than our last awful emperor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9Y5vrJrOo&feature=channel_video_title

I can't get it to embed so just posting the link.

[<8>]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jHe5OjAm_E&feature=related

[<8>]

Darth Vader vs Hitler. Epic Rap



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFA-rOls8YA

[ktlight]

Let's talk facts. Here is more proof that our current emperor is worse than our last awful emperor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9Y5vrJrOo&feature=channel_video_title

I can't get it to embed so just posting the link.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9Y5vrJrOo

[Nyce555]

I agree with this guy. I voted for Obama and thought by now there would be atleast some kind of relief to our situation, but things are pretty much the same. I feel like our government is at war with each other and because of that, no good decisions will ever be made for the "people". I don't think any Republican will be able to do anything different from what has already been done before. Things are not going to change until the American people stop buying into this brainwash. The voting system doesn't even work anymore and people don't even care about the right things anymore. It doesn't make any sense.

[Lost Soul]

Remember what George Green said. Both parties and almost everything is controlled. This includes the Sierra Club and the environmental movement. Whether one votes Republicrap or Demoncrap, they're the two faces of the same party. Hence is comes as no surprise that the Patriot Act was extended by the man-child emperor and that wire-tapping is on the rise.

[onawah]

risveglio: "Ok, take your ball and go home despite every one of my points is fact. This man will go down as one of the worst presidents we have ever had. He has done NOTHING good for this country. "

I will do with my ball what I choose, thank you very much...
You can list as many bad policies as you like. To blame one man for everything is still missing the forest for the trees. Whatever the "Obama Administration" has done would have been done no matter who was in office, and that will continue until the controllers behind the scene (who are not even politicians for the most part ) are brought down. He is only a figurehead. And we have no way of knowing what his intentions were when he was campaigning, or what he knew before he was elected as to the likelihood of his being able to actualize any of his promises. In any case, all politicians make promises they cannot keep. It's part of the game.

One of the reasons Project Avalon was established was so that information about the coverups and controllers could be made known, for people who want to look BEHIND the scenes and see what is REALLY going on and who is REALLY leading the planet on the road to ruin.
If you want to argue politics, why not go to a political forum? This forum goes much deeper than that. Unless perhaps you are just here to cause a distraction.
And the atmosphere of hope for change and easing of racial tensions during his campaign and when he was elected was very much to Obama's credit, even if they didn't last. At least we got a brief reprieve after the dark days of Bush, who was a much more willing puppet than Obama is, IMHO, and no doubt knew much more about what the controllers would require of him before he took office.

[ceetee9]

With all due respect rgray222, I think there are some flaws in your logic.

A couple of things immediately jump out at me after watching this video. This guy says he did not vote for Obama nor did he vote for McCain, the logical conclusion is that he did not vote. My thinking is that if you did not vote you really do not have the right to complain about whichever candidate was elected.
There were other candidates so I don't see how you can make the leap to he did not vote. I used to feel the way you do that if you don't vote you have no right to complain. I don't anymore. Not voting because there are no candidates worth voting for (i.e., no candidates that represent you) is far more honest and respectable than voting for the "lesser of the two evils" or, worse, voting for the one you believe will win just so you can say you voted for the winner. Just maybe if nobody voted in a Presidential or Congressional election they might get the message--although I highly doubt it given their arrogance.


On the issue of weapons of mass destruction. this myth has been flying around from day one and strongly supported by the mainstream media. I am not sure what we are suppose to call the mustard gas that Saddam unleashed on the Kurds when three hundred thousand men woman and children died but to me that is pretty clear evidence of WMD.
Excuse me, a myth? There were no nuclear WMDs found! We did not go to war with Iraq because Saddam released mustard gas on his people. (Although I will acknowledge that mustard gas is a WMD.) And if you want to get into the moral issues, let's not forget we anointed ourselves the policemen of the world which, apparently, shields us from blame when we destroy thousands or millions of innocent men, women and children as long as we do it under the guise of bringing freedom and democracy to foreign nations--whether they want it or not.


Also it is clear that this guy had thought out his words (reasonably well) prior to making the video. The baby was clearly being used as a prop, this is no different the a politician kissing a baby when he/she is on the campaign trail. If you want my attention, say what you have to say clearly, concisely and leave the props home!
If you don't think out your words before you make a propaganda piece you’re probably not going to be very effective. I agree that the baby was most likely a prop (all though it could be his wife was away or filming the piece so someone had to watch the baby). I'm glad you don’t fall for that BS and agree that our politicians would never stoop to something so low (and blatantly obvious) as kissing a baby while on the campaign trail, shaking a displaced factory worker's hand, or visiting a hurricane, flood or earthquake site of catastrophe to garner support for themselves or something they're pushing. I wish everyone could see the manipulation in these pathetic tactics.


I did not vote for Obama and I did (reluctantly) vote for McCain but once Obama was elected, I thought there are things about him which are good and it will be a nice change in Washington. No lobbyist on the White House Staff, abolish the patriot act, no earmarks, close gitmo, get us out of the wars, go line by line in the budget and eliminate unnecessary spending, tackle the immigration issue in his first year and transparency to name just a few. I honestly believe that Obama's legacy will be one of broken promises. What a shame because he could have made a difference.

Really? No Lobbyists on his staff? You might want to check out what the Washington Post has to say about that. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/14/AR2008111403372.html
He has made a difference. Unfortunately, the difference he's made is he’s accelerated the pace of destruction of America, but at least you acknowledged his broken promises (i.e., all those things you mentioned that he hasn't followed through with).


Lastly, this business of both parties being the same has really only come about since 2008. Obama defined himself as a President that would make a difference. This is how he won the election. The sad reality, now that we are in the light of day is that he had no intention of being the candidate of true change. He told everyone what they wanted to hear but had no intention of delivering on the majority of his promises. Don't let Obama make you apathetic about our candidates, there will be people who can make a real difference and it is up to us to find them, promote them and elect them! Some of them may be on the fringe today but they will be mainstream at some point!
Au contraire my friend, I've known there is no difference between the parties for at least the last dozen or so years and I've had many people telling me that for many years before that, but, like you, I did not believe them--at first. Obama, like all Presidential candidates, Republicans and Democrats alike, have promised to be the candidate of change and filled the public's heads with all the wonderful things they want to hear. And I'm sure some of them actually believed they would be the President of change (whatever that means), but the reality is few, if any, once elected, fulfilled their promises. Whether it was because they truly were ignorant of the system and who really controlled the government, or because they had no intention of fulfilling their promises is, frankly, immaterial at this point. The bottom line is: they haven't and they won't/can't because they do not have the necessary power. The system must be changed.

[Ilie Pandia]

Dear forum members, please discuss in a respectful manner and agree to disagree. It's OK if someone does not see your point. Others will. :nod:

[Lord Sidious]

Remember what George Green said. Both parties and almost everything is controlled. This includes the Sierra Club and the environmental movement. Whether one votes Republicrap or Demoncrap, they're the two faces of the same party. Hence is comes as no surprise that the Patriot Act was extended by the man-child emperor and that wire-tapping is on the rise.

There it is, it is all a grand deception.
Arguing over republiscam and demoscam is like arguing over death by hanging and death by shooting.
Different methodology, same result.

[Arpheus]

Guys chill out and go watch Casino Jack, after watching that movie you will understand that it doesnt really matter who do you vote for or wich party do you identify yourself with,its a real eye opener in that sense,the dirt is everywhere the system is rotten to the core,and because of that Obama is just as bad as everyone else that had his job before and whoever has the job after he goes away,dont get your hopes up,the system is RIGGED in a wicked way,the bottom line is POLITICS SUCKS PERIOD!!

[ghostrider]

president obama is part of the machine, doesn't matter who is president, they are all part of the agenda, the ptb will have their fun at the cost of humanity sadly the choices for elected officials are from the same mold. how bout a normal person, no celebrity,no wealthy trust fund bloodline talking head, no lawyer, no doctor, no prep school frat boys/girls. just an average normal citizen for president, do your 2 years then go back and be a normal citizen. the ptb have run hummanity and our earth into the ground, wars, debt, pollution, everythings about marketing and stock shares, and dividends, and infrastructures, and our interest, and blah blah. how bout someone who cares about humanity, freedom, and truth above all else. money -ego- and camera time -book deals-and pending ceo jobs - and libraries named after you---all that nonsense COMES LAST. compassion freedom and truth COME FIRST. sorry just thinkin out loud.

[Kerrigan]

Its not a question of who is the bad guy or even a question of bashing... we all know who is the enemy, and the enemy is what is holding down human evolution towards love & abundance. That can be everything, a system, an ongoing generalized fear, a company, a person...

To contribute to a system, in this case a politic system, is to enforce it. Therefore, for all who like this politic system, go on and contribute. And for those who wish the system would change, then change it.

Politics is Hollywood, a carefully orchestrated show. Just don't give energy in something you don't approve.

Being aware is far enough. And that's what I search here in PA, tools to make myself aware of the world I live in, and ways to improve myself in general.

Yes Obama is human being, that can change and choose to do what feels right for all humans being towards evolution, but he is titled to brainwash and mind control, like any celebrity puppet.

Because that's just what he is, a celebrity.

[Moemers]

he is psychopath, listen to the red ice interview with Thomas Sheridan really interesting.

Might you be able to link us, please?

[DouglasDanger]

I don't think this message was aimed at the general public, he is talking to the general public, but it more or less sounds like a plea for someone to release some of the hidden/covered up tech they may already have IMHO... I agree with him though, we need better tech to accomplish more, even if I do think he's a fraud, the current space program is way out of date..

[Lost Soul]

Here's what Linsey Williams warns about Obama and the illegal war started by Obama. It's around 25 minutes when he starts into the man-child emperor. Here. (http://http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2011/07/lindsey-williams-is-back-with-explosive.html)

[Lifebringer]

No one is delusional on their vote, the difference is that Bush waited 12 years to get Sadaam for a crime against his people and the threat against his daddy. Gaddafi was actively slaughtering Libyans live on tweets and videos. There is no hard feeling, but some of US have been awake and waiting for people to wake up. Oppression is oppression and for the last 400 years in this country/colony, the classism has ruled the people. So to the guy walking around in the woods, feeling like having an influence on people's votes, until these ignorant, and I mean this in a loving way, learn all the truth and not just pick and choose what they can deal with, face down the quirks of this world and give peace a chance, you can't blame this on Obama, okay.
It's not the race card, just a fact that the rich are bored unless they are controlling one thing or another. It makes them feel big. Like a parrot on a Pirates shoulder, they need to feel big and important. These pirates have been robbing this country since 1913, and making the people pay. It's a game they play. Run up the debt and spend the money on their buddies, and make the poor, weak and feable minded, that they deem unworthy to live on the earth, "pay for it in labor or taxes, or low wage jobs where they get twice the work from you at the same price, and you get longer hours, title and no raise. If you don't like being played, you get fired.

Stop blaming the only President who still hasn't had full support, walked into a slippery tray of squat from rubberstampingneoconmen warmongerers and another Bush. Stop drinking and blaming and do like the rest of US and pitch in and fire the bums in the corporations pocket.
Until you take away their toys/blood money they will continue to steal from US. This is the fourth recession and I've lived through three and all of them were by Republicans. Their motto is pull yourself up by the boot straps, yet they steal your boots through legislation, straps and all.
Why why why didn't the other side pitch in to help bail the boat?
lBecause they put a bet on him to fail and are stacking the debt/deck and throwing tax cuts for the rich, and crumbs from our own tax money and programs. The safety net started unraveling soon as FDR died, just like reconstruction. Welcome to America, home of the reneigers and cheats. Why do they always preach about putting your money on wall st?

[Sowelu]

Maybe I did not make myself clear. I did not suggest (at all) that "this man" has done everything wrong for his country. I think he has not enough power (at this moment) to make a big difference. i think at this moment he has to play both sides so eventually he can make a Big difference.

Bye the way... you are right that I come from a Dreamworld. I dream of a world of Peace and Abundance. Obama is part and cause of this ... ;)

When i first heard of Obama, I too hoped that perhaps this man was a good man deep down.
perhaps he was made a puppet, or being blackmailed.
but then i saw him speak...
Watching body language is kind of an art for me.. empathy is something i feel very deeply and when i look into this man's eyes i see two things...
I see despair and i see guilt.

If this man is a good man (and they all start out this way) that man has been entirely crushed and demolished under something much larger and eviler than he.
He has hurt many, and will hurt more.
BUT the choice has been his all along, no matter who holds the gun we always have a choice.
The heroes of the past may have been assasinated but their deaths have given us truth.
Their sacrifice has allowed us to find the hidden conspiracy.. because why would the beloved ones who cared for our freedom be put to death unless there was corruption in our "arrangements"

I have encountered Obama in dreams and there his fear is even more obvious.
His expression is always that of someone who is walking the path opposite of where they wish to be..
I'm not sure he has the courage to "bite the hand that feeds"

Most recently i had a dream in which Obama gave the order to have many people forced into large buildings (they looked like universities)
In which they were fed strange food resembling pig slop and put through strange psychological experiments to break them of their independant thought
and turn them escentially into mindless obama worshippers... myself and a few others escaped twice, yet the changed ones had become violent and we were
being pursued by the authorities. I ran into Obama before waking but in that moment it was as if he could not see me...He was wearing a long dark
jacket and he reached into the pocket and pulled out what looked like a business card. His eyes seemed clouded and empty like something was missing from himself..
Stepping a bit closer i could see on the card it said something like "Control the schools and you shall own the world" The exact words are fuzzy but this was the jest of it...

Ive had more than one of these kinds of dreams, and yes he does seem unsatisfied with his situation but unless he does something to change it he's just gonna be put in the books as "another bad president" and everyone will hate him for the choices he was told to make because he decided to go through with it.

[crosby]

i'm inclined to believe that the new technological breakthrough that he's talking about has already occurred. but this is the opening of the door to bring it out to the public so that the next step can be taken. a good way to measure this is to wait and see how long it takes nasa to come forward with the news of such a breakthrough and see what it is specifically and then watch what happens. of course, if the ptw want to keep the secret space program, 'secret', it may never take place in our lifetimes. i think though, that the agenda has been set, and they will 'out' it accordingly.
warmest regards, corson

[DNA]

@Ktlight:

Do you really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting you find on the internet?

About Obama:
I see him as a person that can make a difference. He is up against a lot. He is on our side!! (maybe that means not on yours?) Why this constantly bashing him and try to put him down? If you can really feel him instead of mentally reading trash about him and put everything you find about him as a tread... I think that would make a big difference.

I agree about making a thread about everything found.
I guess some folks are into that.
To each their own I guess.

To folks who want to equate Obamma with Bush go ahead.
I don't see it.
I'm pretty sure no one get's to be president unless they have something to lose.
Something to be held over their heads and threatened.

I don't see any of the dark ritualistic bohemian grove sacrificial pedophilia that is predominant in the neo-con republican-CIA in Obamma.
Do these dark powers control Obamma though black mail and cohersion? Sure, I guess they do.
But I pride myself in being an astute judge of character-body language and tone of voice.
And I just don't see Obamma being of low character.

I don't see the dark energy surrounding Obamma that I see surrounding Cheney and his hord of demonic inhabited cabinent members and CIA cronies.

[Wiremu2011]

And you are also right that Ktlight has the right to post as many treads as he/she wants... my question was however: Does he/she really have to make a tread about everyting and everyting he/she find on the internet?

Well, I obviously do not post EVERYTHING I find on the internet, not all of it is worth it. I post only what I think is useful to us here at PA. I note that you have posted NOTHING.

I stand corrected...

Mate. where do you get the pot you're smoking from? I'd like some too because from reading your posts, it's got the massive whack factor bro!

[ktlight]

I would just like to say that we are all responsible for our own lives. If a person chooses to pursue a path of power, he/she must also deal with the risks, even if it is not completely known to that person what those risks are and which may have been revealed to that person only after having become what he/she sought. There is always a choice to do the right thing, make the right sacrifice. The price may be death, which is an inherent risk in the life of leaders. Think of Kennedy.

If Obama allows himself to be blackmailed - wrong choice, regardless, and that, to me, does not portray a person deserving to be a leader.

And surely, if Cheney and his like are in the mix and Obama allows himself to submit to that darkness - wrong choice. He must surely be aware of what he is leading and where he is headed to. Such activity does not, to me, suggest a person with strength of character. Sadly.

[DNA]

I would just like to say that we are all responsible for our own lives. If a person chooses to pursue a path of power, he/she must also deal with the risks, even if it is not completely known to that person what those risks are and which may have been revealed to that person only after having become what he/she sought. There is always a choice to do the right thing, make the right sacrifice. The price may be death, which is an inherent risk in the life of leaders. Think of Kennedy.

If Obama allows himself to be blackmailed - wrong choice, regardless, and that, to me, does not portray a person deserving to be a leader.

And surely, if Cheney and his like are in the mix and Obama allows himself to submit to that darkness - wrong choice. He must surely be aware of what he is leading and where he is headed to. Such activity does not, to me, suggest a person with strength of character. Sadly.

I thought you were up on the levels of depravity and evil being perpetuated.
You think a choice like that is just a black and white choice?
Do you think it is as easy as just risking your own life?

I seriously doubt they threaten just your life.
Obama has a family and two beautifull daughters he seems to care a great deal about.

And not to mention character assasination of the highest order.
Use your imagination a little bit.
If any of what they talk about in connection with Montaulk is true, then with the right placement of ingredients in your food and the right application of high frequency wave technology, mind control is an apparent reality.

What if you were shown a video, that was obviously you, in a shady situation participating in acts you had no recollection of?
What if it was murder?
What if it was rape?
What if those are small potatoes compared to what you are shown on this screen?

You need to let some of this stuff sink in, and expand your imagination a little bit.

Remember the movie Godfather 2? Remember when senator Geary woke up with the dead working girl in his bed?
Senator Geary hadn't killed the girl, he was drugged so his memory would be foggy.
The mob killed the girl and framed him, and he had no choice but to comply with their demands.

Strength of character may actually be a man's greatest detriment in a time like this.
When you've had such a strength to rely on for your whole life, what do you do when it has been taken away from you?
I'll tell you what you do. You break. You don't bend like so many of these ethically flexible politicians, you shatter into a thousand pieces.

[Davidallany]

Only a psychopath can fill his position.

[risveglio]

To folks who want to equate Obamma with Bush go ahead. I don't see it.

Can you please just show me where there is a difference? Just one example other than stem cells.

[mod-edit - gratuitous insult deleted. -Paul.]

[Martin]

Good, up right speaking and living men and women are not beeing picked to become president. Not nowadays anyway. When the Obama hype started here in Germany I saw the masses full of joy, hope and praise, but I did ask myself and others what has he done? The same questions stands today and the anwser could not be any clearer.

If Obama really wanted to make a difference he should have already realised that he would have to come forth speaking the truth and opening the eyes of the blinded masses, but he never was that guy to begin with.

In my opinion if you want to hear an honest man speaking then listen to Nigel Farage. He is one of the very few politicians that I actually believe what they are saying.

Martin

[Revere]

r.veg.
Ok, take your ball and go home despite every one of my points is fact. This man will go down as one of the worst presidents we have ever had. He has done NOTHING good for this country

Yes, the right wing media will spin it as so no matter what happens in the future. Why don't we pray or send Obama some positive energy to support what is right? Take some action that can matter for OUR SAKE! We can focus on hatred and negativity towards him and reap what we sow as we have been and are right now! Ego and political leaning are very obvious in this thread and this discourse needs some love in it. This is another example of why "we" yes, humanity is our own worst enemy and part of the problem. The evil PTB are probably laughing their butts off enjoying this Thread. Let's GROW beyond this mentality of accusations and in fighting over points of view and the limitation of not precisely communicating our thoughts. We are better than this topic and biting each other. No offenses to any individual are meant and if you want to get mad and fight... fight the PTB behind our reality. Let's get clear headed and real here.

Peace,
Bob

[Martin]

I do understand where you coming from and infact I did try to support Obama mentally in the past, but in his actions I just can not see that he could make the difference. On the other side I do not feel anger or hatred towards him. I also still hope that he will do the good that he promised, but again I can not see it.

Martin

[risveglio]

r.veg.
Ok, take your ball and go home despite every one of my points is fact. This man will go down as one of the worst presidents we have ever had. He has done NOTHING good for this country

Yes, the right wing media will spin it as so no matter what happens in the future. Why don't we pray or send Obama some positive energy to support what is right? Take some action that can matter for OUR SAKE! We can focus on hatred and negativity towards him and reap what we sow as we have been and are right now! Ego and political leaning are very obvious in this thread and this discourse needs some love in it. This is another example of why "we" yes, humanity is our own worst enemy and part of the problem. The evil PTB are probably laughing their butts off enjoying this Thread. Let's GROW beyond this mentality of accusations and in fighting over points of view and the limitation of not precisely communicating our thoughts. We are better than this topic and biting each other. No offenses to any individual are meant and if you want to get mad and fight... fight the PTB behind our reality. Let's get clear headed and real here.

Peace,
Bob

Seems you may be guilty of political leaning. The "right wing media"? I find far more "left wing media" in my daily life but fail to see a difference between Republican and Democrat anyway. Obama was the first man I ever voted for that belonged to one of the two political parties and I just don't see how he is any different than his predecessor. Somehow Bush was evil yet Obama is controlled by the PTB, that is what the argument is for every one defending him. It does not make any sense. There is little to no difference between the two men. On every major issue they have been in complete agreement. Please, just please show me where there is a difference. The original video is 100% correct. Most Obama supporters fail to see that he is just Bush on steroids and no level of proof seem to shake your minds.

[Revere]

There is a right wing and a left wing media and it does not matter what the other side does they will spin it to their negative point of view about them it is equal opportunity for each. But, focusing everything on the president is like blaming the symptoms of a disease for the disease. It is bigger than that and that is where we need to focus. I for one believe our actions supported by our Intention (meditation, prayer, visualization) in a positive way can make a difference. It is a part of our tool kit to help change this reality. The less we fight over symptoms and start doing actions as such to move us forward the sooner we can make some progress. You may not agree but that is your choice for you in how you want to help with positive change.

Peace,

-R-

[Revere]

I do understand where you coming from and infact I did try to support Obama mentally in the past, but in his actions I just can not see that he could make the difference. On the other side I do not feel anger or hatred towards him. I also still hope that he will do the good that he promised, but again I can not see it.

Martin

Martin,

I hear you! I also hope and pray that he can accomplish the things I thought he represented as well but, I am actively trying to see it through Intention. Let's hope...men have changed their course in the past so, there is always hope!

Peace,
Bob

[Fred Steeves]

I don't see any of the dark ritualistic bohemian grove sacrificial pedophilia that is predominant in the neo-con republican-CIA in Obamma.



You're partially onto something there. George W. would be more the typical pure Illuminate example, old school so to speak. Obama is pure in a different way, purely manufactured through MK Ultra mind control programming. As much as I'm repulsed by both of these men, I find myself less repulsed by Obama. I don't know that he ever even had a chance. That's splitting hairs though.

As for cabinet members and surrounding influences, it's "all in the family". The examples are numerous, but here's just two that are ever in the mix: Kissinger and Brzezinski. Both are old school, both are behind the new face.


Cheers,
Fred

[Davy]

You don't get to be president of the U.S. if you aren't "in" on it. TPTB give us 2 men of their choice to choose from ~ doesn't matter which one wins, either way, he's in their pocket.

IMO we are never going to change this from the top down and as long as we keep thinking "if we just change who's in office - things will change" we have been shackled. We spend much time and money supporting new candidates, never catching on that they are all of their choice ~ at least the ones that make it onto the ballot. Bush, Clinton, Obama - they are all in the same club, they are just pretending to be on different teams to keep us in the dark.

Thanks Ba-ba-ra you are right on the mark I have decided personally for myself to not vote again Why just to put one crook in place of another I think every American should Quit voting! I voted last time for Obama, this was before I knew what I know now! It really does not matter who I vote for or who you vote for, if they have made it that high to be in the running than they are the ones that the TPTB want in those positions. Look what happened to Gore the votes were changed to meet their agenda and put Bush Jr in office after his Daddy had previously served come on what are the odds of all the qualified candidates the Daddy and Son would be both presidents and Bush Sr's grandfather was some big dog over the banking industry. What a mess we have!!!

[Fred Steeves]

I've never felt too much sympathy for old Al Gore and the hanging chad fiasco, hell, Gore's a player too. They probably had more important plans for his green global warming/cooling scam. BTW, I wonder how it was decided who would win between Bush and Kerry, both Skull and Bones frat boys.


Cheers,
Fred

[DNA]

r.veg.
Ok, take your ball and go home despite every one of my points is fact. This man will go down as one of the worst presidents we have ever had. He has done NOTHING good for this country

Yes, the right wing media will spin it as so no matter what happens in the future. Why don't we pray or send Obama some positive energy to support what is right? Take some action that can matter for OUR SAKE! We can focus on hatred and negativity towards him and reap what we sow as we have been and are right now! Ego and political leaning are very obvious in this thread and this discourse needs some love in it. This is another example of why "we" yes, humanity is our own worst enemy and part of the problem. The evil PTB are probably laughing their butts off enjoying this Thread. Let's GROW beyond this mentality of accusations and in fighting over points of view and the limitation of not precisely communicating our thoughts. We are better than this topic and biting each other. No offenses to any individual are meant and if you want to get mad and fight... fight the PTB behind our reality. Let's get clear headed and real here.

Peace,
Bob

Seems you may be guilty of political leaning. The "right wing media"? I find far more "left wing media" in my daily life but fail to see a difference between Republican and Democrat anyway. Obama was the first man I ever voted for that belonged to one of the two political parties and I just don't see how he is any different than his predecessor. Somehow Bush was evil yet Obama is controlled by the PTB, that is what the argument is for every one defending him. It does not make any sense. There is little to no difference between the two men. On every major issue they have been in complete agreement. Please, just please show me where there is a difference. The original video is 100% correct. Most Obama supporters fail to see that he is just Bush on steroids and no level of proof seem to shake your minds.

LOL, I don't understand what you want from people.
Folks have given you their honest take on a situation and your complaining.
Do you feel people need to hate the puppet ris?
Does that make a lot of sense? Really?
Okay here I go.
I hate you puppet,,,you dang dirty puppet,,,,this is all your fault. LOL,,,rotflmao,,,,hehe,,,,,,,wow.
Should folks summon more anger and outrage? Would that make you happy?

Here watch this video it's a minute forty seconds long. It pretty much sums up what happened to Obama.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8IvKx0c19w
.

Are you perplexed at the human species ability to endure unethical puppet controlled leaders?

Are you thinking that folks should take to the streets and begin a call to arms?

I'll tell you what is going to happen.
Nothing.
Nothing is going to happen.
The masses have a new opiate and it's not religion.
Hollywood, technology, glutinous appetites for nutritionally empty high calorie foods.
As long as these things stay in reach of the average consumers ability to purchase there will be no change what so ever.

[grapevine]

he is psychopath, listen to the red ice interview with Thomas Sheridan really interesting.

Thomas Sheridan has written a very shrewd book - Puzzling People, the labyrinth of the psychopath - excellent reading for all forum members and highly recommended. Suddenly all becomes very clear (if it wasn't before...) :)

Also check out the videos and info here: http://labyrinthpsycho.blogspot.com/

Would like to see Thomas Sheridan in old style interview with Bill and Kerry (mods please note request - many thanks)

[ThePythonicCow]

Thomas Sheridan has written a very shrewd book - Puzzling People, the labyrinth of the psychopath
Well, I can't make an interview happen instantly ... but here's a link to the book Puzzling People: The Labyrinth of the Psychopath by Thomas Sheridan (http://amzn.com/1905605285).

[christian]

This story is typical Obama-esk nonsense.


He knows, that there is a secret space program, the technology used there is far ahead of what NASA is officially doing.
With the ongoing wars and the immenent financial collapse he really has other tasks in front of him


It's just a diversion, trying to turn people's attention away from the crucial issues to some moot point.

[grapevine]

Thomas Sheridan has written a very shrewd book - Puzzling People, the labyrinth of the psychopath
Well, I can't make an interview happen instantly ... but here's a link to the book Puzzling People: The Labyrinth of the Psychopath by Thomas Sheridan (http://amzn.com/1905605285).

Thanks Paul. I think Thomas Sheridan deserves a thread of his own. When you know that the people who are running this world are indeed true psychopaths and that it's commonly thought that 1 in 25 of us are overt psychopaths then it gives us a great advantage to be able to recognise just who they are and what we're up against .....

[ktlight]

This is the Red Ice interview, almost 53 minutes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejuh-XE6RF4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejuh-XE6RF4

[Humble Janitor]

I've never felt too much sympathy for old Al Gore and the hanging chad fiasco, hell, Gore's a player too. They probably had more important plans for his green global warming/cooling scam. BTW, I wonder how it was decided who would win between Bush and Kerry, both Skull and Bones frat boys.


Cheers,
Fred

Al Gore didn't invent the concept of global warming.

And even so, I still don't understand how people can wake up and go about their business without even stopping to think about the implications of climate change. We're acting like oil is infinite and our way of life will continue forever and forever when this is NOT the case.

Even if it is cooling and/or warming, we can attribute this to a cycle of sorts. We can have an intelligent conversation that doesn't involve mean-spirited bashing of ideas/theories/concepts instead more complaints about "carbon taxes" and other silly **** meant to rile up those who are predisposed to it.

[The One]

For those who like David go make a brew and enjoy


sT5-txAuzrY

[Bea]

to shamballaOn "Does everybody here sees Obama as the bad guy?"

I don't get the time to visit the forum often shamballaOn and have just caught up with this thread. I want to answer your question quoted above.

I believe Obama is a highly evolved soul. I had one dream about him before the election for president and it opened my eyes to what a great man he is. I haven't had any other dreams about him to date.
After that dream I began to pay attention when he was on the news or whatever, previously I had avoided watching any of the hype over the US elections which we get bombarded with here in Australia (and I do the same with our own elections, I mostly read things online for information if I want any).
When I did watch and listen to him his vibe and his words rang true with what my dream showed me.
I am not going to argue about what he has or hasn't done since being president. I know that his path would be extremely difficult and there would be a great deal that I couldn't begin to imagine in the difficult situations he faces, in the compromises he makes and in the pressures from the system which was already there long before he came on the scene that controls pretty much everything.
I believe there would be veiled threats too, to his and his family's safety. Or perhaps not so veiled, I noted with interest a little while back how a plane Michelle was on had a near miss with another plane that had not been handed over to the air traffic controllers, not a passenger jet, never heard anymore about the outcome of why that happened. And just the other day those tweets to Fox about Obama being shot. Things like this make me wonder.
If he could do as he really wanted, more of his caring, compassion and brilliance would be more evident to more people.

[Carmody]

Thomas Sheridan has written a very shrewd book - Puzzling People, the labyrinth of the psychopath
Well, I can't make an interview happen instantly ... but here's a link to the book Puzzling People: The Labyrinth of the Psychopath by Thomas Sheridan (http://amzn.com/1905605285).

Thanks Paul. I think Thomas Sheridan deserves a thread of his own. When you know that the people who are running this world are indeed true psychopaths and that it's commonly thought that 1 in 25 of us are overt psychopaths then it gives us a great advantage to be able to recognize just who they are and what we're up against .....

I can't think of more than a few 'world leaders' that I've seen who haven't been chosen because they are 'controllable and limited intellect mediocrity with limited vision' that lives a 'fear based life'...this, in the past 30 years I've been watching for that sort of thing.

What I'm saying is that I see almost all of them being psycho/sociopaths and of a mediocre intellect and fear based/herd/animal mentality as that is the kind of person who can effectively lie to themselves, present a false face that people feel is believable as the projection is so involved that the projector believes it. Thus the person being given the reflection of that politician --(the buyer) cannot see the lies either.

From the world of such a nature, I can give you a few pointers. Within my job description, at one time in my life..I was the guy who hired the person who trained the salesmen who sold to and trained the retailers who sold to the public.

In some very important fundamental ways, this is the scenario of what you deal with when you see and are forced to deal with politicians.

They are middle sales.

They are much like the person I would hire. I would hire the salesmen/trainer of the salesmen.

They are a very special breed. You don't hire them for their specific acts of internal integrity.

You hire them because they are good at selling. To anyone. You hire them as they have the capacity to have 'face on' at any given time, with the utmost believability. I'm not talking about lying but having absolute integrity in their belief structure about what it is that they are selling.

Other than that, you keep them on a tight leash and never let them near the controls of the system as they will make a mess of it. They possess mediocrity in some areas, otherwise they WOULD be management material.

However, they are chosen for their charisma, ability to identify and work with various people, and their ability to take things to a point of finality (sale). To do this best, requires a certain amount of an innate capacity for self blindness.

They are chosen for this innate capacity to chase the money, they posses that special specific touch of self blindness ...and they are not let anywhere near the controls as this useful self blindness they posses... can hang them and you, in it's urges and desires.

If this scenario sounds familiar, that is because this is the scenario that politicians are selected by.

The REAL power or control in the system is one step above them. The same skill package, and more, with the reality and control factor. That is the person one step above Obama, that you might run into, if you ran in those circles.

To give you and idea, the last time a supposed US president was a real control person, was with the presidency of George Bush Senior (41). No flaws with regard to capacity to be controlled by those flaws, but not the most charismatic individual. The presidency is a sales job, overall... so..bring in the salesmen.

(think about what I'm saying. Example: Harry Truman sold washing machines. He literally was a salesman, before becoming president -also 33rd degree, is the other side of the coin)

[onawah]

I think Obama is a highly evolved soul too, whose hands are tied, but who volunteered to take on a monumentally huge task that put him and his family at great risk in hopes that it would eventually give him an opportunity to do some real good. I think it is proving to be harder and taking longer than was expected. I know many will think this is highly delusional thinking, but it's not just an intellectual matter or a matter of knowing what the "Obama Adminstration" has done, it's a matter of intuition and feeling. I feel he is a good person who has taken on a nearly impossible task. Many psychics and intuitives agree.
See the channeled message at:
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=126&z=2

"10. We are physical civilizations. We don’t have the capacity for that extent of unity and unconditional love. As part of our own evolutionary progress, we are in service to God by helping lower density worlds evolve when they ask for assistance. Some among you don’t want anything changed, but Earth does — that’s why we have been helping you technologically and many of us are living on the planet to help in other ways. We’re spiritually and intellectually advanced too, so we know your thoughts, we know what you’re feeling and see what you’re doing. But unlike the souls at Matthew’s station, we do get anxious, angry, discouraged, impatient and frustrated by some of what’s going on. We have differing opinions and ideas just like you do, but we resolve the differences on the basis of what best serves all of us as a universal family.

11. Then there’s your civilization. By your admission — and certainly it’s obvious! — your world is in a mess, but instead of doing something to fix it, too many are just watching TV or are gung-ho about sports, “Yay for my team!” There’s complaining and bickering about problems instead of solving them and criticism about those who are trying to. I’m going to speak about the one whose circumstances most concern us and why.

12. Generally speaking, people know US president Barack Obama only by what he says and what your media report. Most don’t have clue about what goes on “behind closed doors.” You see stubborn partisan politics. We see Obama’s powerful enemies within and far beyond the government who are determined to smash to smithereens his attempts at reform. You see him looking worried and know some call him weak and say he’s leading his country in the wrong direction. We feel his pain as his efforts to improve the lives of all who are downtrodden are scuttled by a few self-servers. You see him trying to end foreign conflicts and think he should stay home and fix what’s wrong in his own country. We feel his discouragement and exhaustion as the dark ones keep stirring up trouble to dash his efforts everywhere.

13. The folks you call “pundits” speculate whether voters will give Obama a second term in office. We sing his praises for staying the course day after day! He has to deal with some of the very ones who threaten his life and his family’s, yet his intention to keep working for a peaceful world without poverty anywhere remains firm. You know that he and his family are protected by the Christed light grid around them, but Obama doesn’t know that. You know that he is a major part of the Golden Age master plan, but he doesn’t know that either. He acts on his convictions, principles, aspirations and innate experience as an honored leader in a highly evolved civilization who agreed to serve Earth in the most demanding position on the planet. If everyone could know this soul as we do, all the doubts and carping about him would come to a screeching halt and you would thank God for this man’s courage, wisdom, spiritual and moral integrity and his willingness to persevere!

14. You know that your thoughts create what happens in your life, in your world, and everything you do affects everything else in this universe. So if any of you are among the carpers and doubters, stop that and start helping Obama to succeed! He’s working for you — do the same for him, yourselves, your world and our universe! You don’t have to become political activists. Just keep your hearts and minds in the right place and help others do it too. We’re in the trenches with you and we need your help—we have more than enough hindrance from the dark ones on Earth!

15. I know I’ve sounded harsh, but sometimes people don’t respond until it’s “tough love” time, and it is with love for you that I’ve spoken. And not just for myself and my people. I’m representing countless others who feel the same but don’t have a forum like this to express it.

16. Now I’m finished, Matthew. Thank you for letting me speak my piece.

17. MATTHEW: We thank you, Hatonn. You addressed topics that are among the most numerous in emails sent to my mother, and it is very likely that your words will have greater impact than ours would have had."

[onawah]

NASA has been for some time now simply a front to coverup the black ops programs who already are using highly advanced technology, so the sheeple will think there is still some kind of space program, but will have no clue where the secret budget funds are really going.

[risveglio]

I think Obama is a highly evolved soul too, whose hands are tied, but who volunteered to take on a monumentally huge task that put him and his family at great risk in hopes that it would eventually give him an opportunity to do some real good. I think it is proving to be harder and taking longer than was expected. I know many will think this is highly delusional thinking, but it's not just an intellectual matter or a matter of knowing what the "Obama Adminstration" has done, it's a matter of intuition and feeling. I feel he is a good person who has taken on a nearly impossible task. Many psychics and intuitives agree.
See the channeled message at:
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=126&z=2

"10. We are physical civilizations. We don’t have the capacity for that extent of unity and unconditional love. As part of our own evolutionary progress, we are in service to God by helping lower density worlds evolve when they ask for assistance. Some among you don’t want anything changed, but Earth does — that’s why we have been helping you technologically and many of us are living on the planet to help in other ways. We’re spiritually and intellectually advanced too, so we know your thoughts, we know what you’re feeling and see what you’re doing. But unlike the souls at Matthew’s station, we do get anxious, angry, discouraged, impatient and frustrated by some of what’s going on. We have differing opinions and ideas just like you do, but we resolve the differences on the basis of what best serves all of us as a universal family.

11. Then there’s your civilization. By your admission — and certainly it’s obvious! — your world is in a mess, but instead of doing something to fix it, too many are just watching TV or are gung-ho about sports, “Yay for my team!” There’s complaining and bickering about problems instead of solving them and criticism about those who are trying to. I’m going to speak about the one whose circumstances most concern us and why.

12. Generally speaking, people know US president Barack Obama only by what he says and what your media report. Most don’t have clue about what goes on “behind closed doors.” You see stubborn partisan politics. We see Obama’s powerful enemies within and far beyond the government who are determined to smash to smithereens his attempts at reform. You see him looking worried and know some call him weak and say he’s leading his country in the wrong direction. We feel his pain as his efforts to improve the lives of all who are downtrodden are scuttled by a few self-servers. You see him trying to end foreign conflicts and think he should stay home and fix what’s wrong in his own country. We feel his discouragement and exhaustion as the dark ones keep stirring up trouble to dash his efforts everywhere.

13. The folks you call “pundits” speculate whether voters will give Obama a second term in office. We sing his praises for staying the course day after day! He has to deal with some of the very ones who threaten his life and his family’s, yet his intention to keep working for a peaceful world without poverty anywhere remains firm. You know that he and his family are protected by the Christed light grid around them, but Obama doesn’t know that. You know that he is a major part of the Golden Age master plan, but he doesn’t know that either. He acts on his convictions, principles, aspirations and innate experience as an honored leader in a highly evolved civilization who agreed to serve Earth in the most demanding position on the planet. If everyone could know this soul as we do, all the doubts and carping about him would come to a screeching halt and you would thank God for this man’s courage, wisdom, spiritual and moral integrity and his willingness to persevere!

14. You know that your thoughts create what happens in your life, in your world, and everything you do affects everything else in this universe. So if any of you are among the carpers and doubters, stop that and start helping Obama to succeed! He’s working for you — do the same for him, yourselves, your world and our universe! You don’t have to become political activists. Just keep your hearts and minds in the right place and help others do it too. We’re in the trenches with you and we need your help—we have more than enough hindrance from the dark ones on Earth!

15. I know I’ve sounded harsh, but sometimes people don’t respond until it’s “tough love” time, and it is with love for you that I’ve spoken. And not just for myself and my people. I’m representing countless others who feel the same but don’t have a forum like this to express it.

16. Now I’m finished, Matthew. Thank you for letting me speak my piece.

17. MATTHEW: We thank you, Hatonn. You addressed topics that are among the most numerous in emails sent to my mother, and it is very likely that your words will have greater impact than ours would have had."

First I want to apologize for some of my earlier posts. I come from a place that if you do not throw in a jab then you are not really conversing, you are just being nice. With that said, I hope I am making this comment without offending anyone but to me, this is extremely scary. As an American citizen, there is no explanation for this man's actions other than he is a puppet. I can't place my future on that when there are obviously better options. If we understand what it truly means to be free and we believe in Peace, we need to vote in the person speaking that message. If the message wins and the PTB remove him or her, [or control or possess or replace with super robot], then we put in another person that believes in that message. Eventually they will not be able to stop the message. Peace and Freedom and truly believing you are just as good as your neighbor AND your neighbor is just as good as you is the only way we can have an ideal society, short of a miracle, [or aliens or super benign computers and whatever else we talk about with such conviction on this forum].

I dreamed about a ball player when I was a boy, I put this ball player on a pedestal and defended him when people talk bad, then I met the ball player, I wish that day never happened. I need something better than channeled messages or I had a dream.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well he is the first to just "do" things like releasing locked patents since Nixon...

I don't think the puppet Masters have control over him, their blackmail seems to keep turning back against them...


He agreed to make social Security cuts taking from those who don't need it instead of the ones that do...


Watch how fast the Republicans turn around to don't cut Social Security...


He is far wiser than most understand.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

My message to Obama : TAX THE RICH PRE-REAGAN STYLE OR YOU FAIL AS PRESIDENT. IF Maverick Obama won't do it, nobody will. 50% tax on wealthiest Americans Obama, hurry there is still hope.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

He's already cutting spending, which is half the battle. Now he must put it all together (see above!)

[risveglio]

My message to Obama : TAX THE RICH PRE-REAGAN STYLE OR YOU FAIL AS PRESIDENT. IF Maverick Obama won't do it, nobody will. 50% tax on wealthiest Americans Obama, hurry there is still hope.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

He's already cutting spending, which is half the battle. Now he must put it all together (see above!)

When is the last time a poor man gave you a job?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

My message to Obama : TAX THE RICH PRE-REAGAN STYLE OR YOU FAIL AS PRESIDENT. IF Maverick Obama won't do it, nobody will. 50% tax on wealthiest Americans Obama, hurry there is still hope.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

He's already cutting spending, which is half the battle. Now he must put it all together (see above!)

When is the last time a poor man gave you a job?

I see your logic. However, you think taxing the wealthiest would cause them to lose that status? NO IT WON'T, they'll still be rich after they pay their taxes. What other thoughts have you?

[Bea]

Peace and freedom are only found within, risveglio.
There is no other way to have, know or experience these states of being.

[Rocky_Shorz]

or Bea'ing... ;)

[dddanieljjjamesss]

no sides but both sides, cause this world is balance! Nothing is black or white! Not even his skin tone! GET WITH IT!

[risveglio]

When is the last time a poor man gave you a job?

I see your logic. However, you think taxing the wealthiest would cause them to lose that status? NO IT WON'T, they'll still be rich after they pay their taxes. What other thoughts have you?

Though very wrong on principle it may not be horrible if you are talking about the uber rich, but where do you draw the line? I know a business owner that employs 50 people, lives a more modest life than his employees but technically makes $1 million. Any level of tax increase on his personal income without a break on his business would mean probably 5 more unemployed Americans.

[risveglio]

Peace and freedom are only found within, risveglio.
There is no other way to have, know or experience these states of being.

If that is the case then let the creator take me now. There is no way I could truly experience what it is to be alive as a human being without being free, I am not here as a human to experience the soul only. I would have a very hard time getting the most out of this experience behind bars.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

[
Though very wrong on principle it may not be horrible if you are talking about the uber rich, but where do you draw the line? I know a business owner that employs 50 people, lives a more modest life than his employees but technically makes $1 million. Any level of tax increase on his personal income without a break on his business would mean probably 5 more unemployed Americans.

In my economics class at the UofA, we were taught that the top 40 individuals in America make as much money as the next 40 million, so yes I am talking about the wealthiest percentile, who, pre-Reagan, were taxed much more heavily. So essentially, you have (hypothetically) 100 people in line for food, the first person in line takes 80 meals and leaves the next 99 people to squabble over the remaining 20 meals. This is why we must tax the **** out of the wealthiest 1%.....IMO. I understand the small business aspect you bring up, I am referring to the "uber" ;)

[DNA]

First I want to apologize for some of my earlier posts. I come from a place that if you do not throw in a jab then you are not really conversing, you are just being nice. With that said, I hope I am making this comment without offending anyone but to me, this is extremely scary. As an American citizen, there is no explanation for this man's actions other than he is a puppet. I can't place my future on that when there are obviously better options. If we understand what it truly means to be free and we believe in Peace, we need to vote in the person speaking that message. If the message wins and the PTB remove him or her, [or control or possess or replace with super robot], then we put in another person that believes in that message. Eventually they will not be able to stop the message. Peace and Freedom and truly believing you are just as good as your neighbor AND your neighbor is just as good as you is the only way we can have an ideal society, short of a miracle, [or aliens or super benign computers and whatever else we talk about with such conviction on this forum].

I dreamed about a ball player when I was a boy, I put this ball player on a pedestal and defended him when people talk bad, then I met the ball player, I wish that day never happened. I need something better than channeled messages or I had a dream.

Ahhhhh to be young and and naive again. Well,,,we are about the same age so, I guess scratch the young part. :)
I guess you opted to skip the minute and 40 second video I posted earlier. It answered your plea for an honest canidate quite nicely I think.

[onawah]

Richard Hoagland makes some interesting speculative comments about Obama on Coast to Coast, in three parts on youtube starting with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up0OrHBF8Ns&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up0OrHBF8Ns&feature=related

[Fred Steeves]

I'm actually quite stunned there are those on this board who still buy into the puppet show, whether it be the puppets themselves or the ones they dance for. Send a check and enjoy the show.

Cheers,
Fred

[Bea]

or Bea'ing...
lol very good Rocky :)

onawah
Richard Hoagland makes some interesting speculative comments about Obama on Coast to Coast...

Very interesting comments. Some thoughts. When Hoagland spoke about the Mayan shaman's ceremonies for Obama, he posed a question along the lines of did the Mayan's know of Obama's "agenda" and how could they know, which I interpreted to mean knowing his agenda caused them to do the blessing/prayer ceremonies. But I thought they wouldn't know his specific agenda, instead they could see/sense/know/recognise the calibre of his spirit (which his agenda would be in line with) and that was why they gave him the ceremonies.

Hoagland also emphasised that Obama had "committed America to a war the day before" this happened, ie Libya. For what it's worth, what I observed when that happened was Obama involving NATO, the Europeans in what was happening in Libya. It's in their part of the world after all. It seemed Europe was hanging back, wanting the US to step in and lead but Obama wouldn't, he threw it back on the decision makers in Europe. He wasn't going to go in as the US often has and take control, direct and also commit much larger resources than others.
He had to do something though, people were clamouring for help for the Libyan people against Gaddafi, and the western world and some of the middle eastern were looking to him/the US for support in this, especially as other countries there were freeing themselves, or trying to, from long autocratic rule. I thought he acted very carefully and with circumspection.

If he or any person of good will could wave a magic wand and cease the conflicts in the world, they would, but like everything else we have to journey there ourselves somehow.
Also IMHO doing things in the way he did he caused the least possible stirring up of more hatred for the US in those regions ie not being the leader of the whole operation, making unilateral decisions and being perceived as aggressive and interfering. His rhetoric also was measured and not inflammatory.

[Humble Janitor]

I'm actually quite stunned there are those on this board who still buy into the puppet show, whether it be the puppets themselves or the ones they dance for. Send a check and enjoy the show.

Cheers,
Fred

I'm not surprised that there are many on here that also buy into the birther nonsense and blind Obama hatred.

Just what in the hell do they want here? I don't even want to know what it'll take to get them to shut up.

[risveglio]

First I want to apologize for some of my earlier posts. I come from a place that if you do not throw in a jab then you are not really conversing, you are just being nice. With that said, I hope I am making this comment without offending anyone but to me, this is extremely scary. As an American citizen, there is no explanation for this man's actions other than he is a puppet. I can't place my future on that when there are obviously better options. If we understand what it truly means to be free and we believe in Peace, we need to vote in the person speaking that message. If the message wins and the PTB remove him or her, [or control or possess or replace with super robot], then we put in another person that believes in that message. Eventually they will not be able to stop the message. Peace and Freedom and truly believing you are just as good as your neighbor AND your neighbor is just as good as you is the only way we can have an ideal society, short of a miracle, [or aliens or super benign computers and whatever else we talk about with such conviction on this forum].

I dreamed about a ball player when I was a boy, I put this ball player on a pedestal and defended him when people talk bad, then I met the ball player, I wish that day never happened. I need something better than channeled messages or I had a dream.

Ahhhhh to be young and and naive again. Well,,,we are about the same age so, I guess scratch the young part. :)
I guess you opted to skip the minute and 40 second video I posted earlier. It answered your plea for an honest canidate quite nicely I think.

No, I saw your video but I guess you just misunderstood my point. I am not sure what point you are trying to make.




well he is the first to just "do" things like releasing locked patents since Nixon...

I don't think the puppet Masters have control over him, their blackmail seems to keep turning back against them...


He agreed to make social Security cuts taking from those who don't need it instead of the ones that do...


Watch how fast the Republicans turn around to don't cut Social Security...


He is far wiser than most understand.
Also the first to allow for a US citizen to be assassinated and the first to just replace a CEO.
As for the ponsi scheme called social security, is he going to make it solvent again? Will he allow young people to opt out?

[jackovesk]

Shipping 30,000 guns in to Mexico by the ATF, FBI and DEA is a act of staged terror in Mexico and the U S.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nDITVeyFhw&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWfbxsc4msk&feature=related

Bloomberg

Banks Financing Mexico Gangs Admitted in Wells Fargo Deal

Just before sunset on April 10, 2006, a DC-9 jet landed at the international airport in the port city of Ciudad del Carmen, 500 miles east of Mexico City. As soldiers on the ground approached the plane, the crew tried to shoo them away, saying there was a dangerous oil leak. So the troops grew suspicious and searched the jet.

They found 128 black suitcases, packed with 5.7 tons of cocaine, valued at $100 million. The stash was supposed to have been delivered from Caracas to drug traffickers in Toluca, near Mexico City, Mexican prosecutors later found. Law enforcement officials also discovered something else.

The smugglers had bought the DC-9 with laundered funds they transferred through two of the biggest banks in the U.S.: Wachovia Corp. and Bank of America Corp., Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its August 2010 issue.

This was no isolated incident. Wachovia, it turns out, had made a habit of helping move money for Mexican drug smugglers. Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, has admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers -- including the cash used to buy four planes that shipped a total of 22 tons of cocaine.

The admission came in an agreement that Charlotte, North Carolina-based Wachovia struck with federal prosecutors in March, and it sheds light on the largely undocumented role of U.S. banks in contributing to the violent drug trade that has convulsed Mexico for the past four years.

Read rest of article here...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html

[onawah]

HJ, some of them may be paid to create distractions and frustration (there's a lot of that about, from all reports), or they are just programmed to be that way.
The rest is just ignorance or lack of awareness of what Avalon is all about.

You can always put offenders on your "IGNORE" list, which I have found to be very effective.
ALSO, REPORT rudeness, BS, etc. to the Mods.

Note the name of the offenders and the # of the offending posts and the thread they are in, click on the symbol at the bottom of each post to the right of the "Thanks" which is a black triangle with an exclamation point in it, and send that info to the Moderator team.
They will handle it!
I just did that with an offensive post on this thread (by someone who is now on my IGNORE list) and it was removed by the Mods. This is someone whose posts I just don't care to read, and so they appear as blanks on my page. I can always undo it if I choose to.

Bill and the Mods don't want that kind of stuff on the forum either, but they need us to help ferret it out, as they don't have time to read everything that's posted.
It's a very effective way to help keep these repeat offenders from getting away with ruining the forum for those of us who appreciate it for what it was intended to be.



I'm actually quite stunned there are those on this board who still buy into the puppet show, whether it be the puppets themselves or the ones they dance for. Send a check and enjoy the show.

Cheers,
Fred

I'm not surprised that there are many on here that also buy into the birther nonsense and blind Obama hatred.

Just what in the hell do they want here? I don't even want to know what it'll take to get them to shut up.

[T Smith]

I see your logic. However, you think taxing the wealthiest would cause them to lose that status? NO IT WON'T, they'll still be rich after they pay their taxes. What other thoughts have you?

You mean like, tax the Federal Reserve Bank? If you (try to) tax the rich they would simply be paying dues to themselves. As it stands, taxes go to the rich.

I don't follow the logic of taxing anyone, unless you are advocating a neo-feudalist system.

[T Smith]

In my economics class at the UofA, we were taught that the top 40 individuals in America make as much money as the next 40 million, so yes I am talking about the wealthiest percentile, who, pre-Reagan, were taxed much more heavily. So essentially, you have (hypothetically) 100 people in line for food, the first person in line takes 80 meals and leaves the next 99 people to squabble over the remaining 20 meals. This is why we must tax the **** out of the wealthiest 1%.....IMO. I understand the small business aspect you bring up, I am referring to the "uber" ;)

With all due respect I haven't come across any material in any economic class that has a grasp of the monetary system, let alone the social order. What you are talking about here, to employ your terms, is the first person in line, who not only takes 80 meals, but creates the line and the remaining 20 meals and determines who eats and who doesn't. The first person in line creates reality itself. Any taxing body, or government authority, or charity to others in the line, is merely a vestige of her or his creation. This isn't on account of a special talent or gift that might warrant the lion's share, but on account of power. In other words, taxing exists at the pleasure of the uber rich for whom you have disdain, and mainly at the expense of the middle class. What you are basically advocating is a tax on the middle class. Once the power to tax is exercised, by force, i.e. to steal from some in the line in the name of equitable distribution to others in the line (which happens in name only), you begin surfing a slippery slope and further distort the wealth gap you describe. The controllers get more wealthy and poverty ensues for everybody else. Those who by either fortune or hard work or both escape the grip of poverty that this system generates now find themselves at war with the impoverished to maintain their status. This recipe creates class conflict and distracts all participants from what truly drives the system -- the uber rich.

I assure you, the rich are holding back the chuckles in agreement with you. "Sure! Let's tax the rich!... (wink, wink.)"

[onawah]

More from Richard Hoagland re Obama in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NieWek7Wejk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NieWek7Wejk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c1zgUl782A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c1zgUl782A&feature=related

I couldn't find the rest of this talk anywhere on youtube. Does anyone else have it who could download it here for us?

I could not find all the parts of this talk (though there are links for some of them on the youtube page) by Hoagland about the connection between Obama, Kennedy, NASA and 2012 either, but here is the first one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viMpiq-nAD0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viMpiq-nAD0&feature=related

Here's another, part 1 of 12:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEIm6FybaKM&feature=related

Apologies for not having time to post all the links for these, but perhaps I will be able to fill in the holes later. Meanwhile, anyone interested in Obama hopefully will have some more clues to research.

[ktlight]

FYI:

Forget The Birth Certificate, How About Finding ONE Piece
Of Evidence The Imposter Ever Existed At All
By Jordan Maxwell
7-11-11

OK... this is past the 'birthers' questions.... this is just plain old common sense, no political agendas for either side. Just common knowledge that citizens of a country and especially American citizens who even know that Andrew Jackson's wife smoked a corn cob pipe and was accused of adultery or that Lincoln never went to school or Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman played the piano.

Good grief... we are Americans! We are known for our humanitarian interests and caring for our 'fellow man'. We care, but none of us know one single humanizing fact about the history of our own president. Honestly, and this is a personal thing...but it's niggled at me for ages that no one who ever dated him ever showed up. The simple fact of his charisma that caused the women to be drawn to him so obviously during his campaign, looks like some lady would not have missed the opportunity.... We all know about JFK's magnetism, McCain was no monk, Palin's courtship and even her athletic prowess were probed... Biden's aneurisms are no secret. Look at Cheney and Clinton.. we all know about their heart problems and certainly speaking of the opposite sex- how could I have left out Wild Bill before or during the White House? Nope... not one lady has stepped up and said, "He was soooo shy..." or "What a great dancer!!" Now look at the rest of this... no classmates, not even the recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him....

.... I just dunno about this fellow.

Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there. Then check groomsmen.

Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony. Has anyone talked to the professors? It is odd that no one is bragging that they knew him or taught him or lived with him.

When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos there? Every president gives to the public all their photos, etc. for their library, etc. What has he released? And who in hell voted for him to be the most popular man in 2010?????

Does this make you wonder? Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from President Obama's past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc. ?? Not one person has ever come forward from his past.

VERY, VERY STRANGE.. This should really be a cause for great concern. To those who voted for him, you may have elected an unqualified, inexperienced shadow man. Did you see a picture called The Manchurian Candidate?.....

Let's face it. As insignificant as we all are .. someone whom we went to school with remembers our name or face ... someone remembers we were the clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or something about us. George Stephanopoulos of ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. He questions why no one has acknowledged the president was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos also was a classmate of Obama at Columbia -- the class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him.

While he is such a great orator, why doesn't anyone in Obama's college class remember him? And, why won't he allow Columbia to release his records?

NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA

Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.

Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia .. EVER!

Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, "Class of '83 political science, pre-law" and says, "You don't get more exact or closer than that." Never met him in my life, don't know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who's kind of the, as we say in New York, 'the macha' who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him."

Obama's photograph does not appear in the school's yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia , provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia ..


NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major in the same class in which Barack Hussein Obama states he was.

Some other interesting questions..

Why was Obama's law license inactivated in 2002?

Why was Michelle's law license inactivated by Court Order?

It is circulating that according to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases. WHAT!! ??? The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is never reported to have lived.

No wonder all his records are sealed!

Please continue sending this out to everyone. Somewhere, someone had to know him in school...before he "reorganized" Chicago & burst upon the scene at the 2004 Democratic Convention & made us all swoon with his charm, poise & speaking pizzazz.

source
http://rense.com/general94/isthere.htm

[crosby]

you know, i've thought about this often myself. i don't ever remember hearing anything about him until the primaries came up. it is very distracting to say the least. as far as i've been able to find, there really isn't anything out there about him. hmmm.
regards, corson

[Davidallany]

Didn't they interview his grandmother? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PJN0owE14jU/Tc59r8cArvI/AAAAAAAAAGs/en8TErwY8u8/s1600/barack+obamas+half+caste+family.jpg
Could it be photoshoped?

[Carmody]

"Manchurians" happen all the time. And more will come about.

Our awareness and access to information is what has changed, and those 'elites' at that level of the machine -suffer from the same foibles that we do.

They can't re-wire their minds (and thus actions and decisions) fast enough to keep up with the changes created by technology. Due to this, some of their weaker points shine through. Like Obama's back history having a bad fit to the reality of things.

[Lost Soul]

He is what Fifth Avenue tells us he us. Many quaffed the Kool Aid and will gleefully quaff more.

[<8>]

The people of the USA voted and put him in the witehouse. If his real name are Obama or not, dont matter.
He is controled by the big guys, like all the other ones the people voted in.



It doesn't matter who the people voted for; they always vote for us".

- Joseph Stalin, Illuminati -

[Fred Steeves]

Thanks ktlight, I didn't know Jordan Maxwell wrote op eds. Many of the things he brings up are why it seems obvious, to me anyway, that Obama/Soetoro is MK Ultra mind controlled, probably since birth. As opposed to a Bush or Clinton, who are just good old fashioned Illuminati.



Cheers,
Fred

[T Smith]

The latest and most outlandish theory I've run across recently is that Obama is actually a CIA-created clone of an ancient Egyptian royal bloodline. He could be the clone of King Tut for all we know. What better Manchurian asset than that?

As crazy as a notion like this sounds, it's even more crazy that there is simply no tangible evidence to debunk it...

[PixieDust]

I didnt read everything but my best friends mom (not one to lie, i believe her) knew obama as a boy growing up in indonesia. She said he was a scrawny lanky kid with a fro!

[thunder24]

The latest and most outlandish theory I've run across recently is that Obama is actually a CIA-created clone of an ancient Egyptian royal bloodline. He could be the clone of King Tut for all we know. What better Manchurian asset than that?

As crazy as a notion like this sounds, it's even more crazy that there is simply no tangible evidence to debunk it...

gotta love FREEMAN

[Arpheus]

Yea heard the clone thing as well like,he is the clone of Akhenaton but thats kinda of nuts,but hey according to John Lear cloning technology is very real and its been happening in Area 51 fie ages,we will never know for sure tho,but this entire charade is disturbing and mind boggling to say the least,it only goes to show you how deep the trance and hypnosis in mass the entire USA is under some serious nasty spell of huge proportions when it comes down to the mind control part,its very very sad,thanks for the info Kt good stuff!

[Snowbird]

The latest and most outlandish theory I've run across recently is that Obama is actually a CIA-created clone of an ancient Egyptian royal bloodline. He could be the clone of King Tut for all we know. What better Manchurian asset than that?

As crazy as a notion like this sounds, it's even more crazy that there is simply no tangible evidence to debunk it...

Exactly! Precisely! Spot-on!

[Snowbird]

I didnt read everything but my best friends mom (not one to lie, i believe her) knew obama as a boy growing up in indonesia. She said he was a scrawny lanky kid with a fro!

Do you think that your friend's mom would answer a few questions? How long did she know Obama, in years? In what province and city did they live? Does she remember who his parents were and what they looked like? Did she go to school with him?

He may have been born in Indonesia, Bali Province, Denpasar city. I recently read that he is traveling to Indonesia in November. I wonder what he will do there.

[PixieDust]

I didnt read everything but my best friends mom (not one to lie, i believe her) knew obama as a boy growing up in indonesia. She said he was a scrawny lanky kid with a fro!

Do you think that your friend's mom would answer a few questions? How long did she know Obama, in years? In what province and city did they live? Does she remember who his parents were and what they looked like? Did she go to school with him?

He may have been born in Indonesia, Bali Province, Denpasar city. I recently read that he is traveling to Indonesia in November. I wonder what he will do there.

Ill see if she will. I dont quite remember the facts but i think she did go to school with him and i think he was 9/10 when she knew him. I also think she said he grew up mostly in indonesia. This is all faulty memory i didnt really pay attention more than oh cool she knows the president! I wasn't paying attention to important matters much then.

Just cause there is a barack obama doesn't mean its actually him. just sayin....

[PixieDust]

so this is turning into a bit of the telephone game and i wouldn't take this as hard evidence.

i managed to chat with my best friend tonight (im in the states shes in australia at the moment so time difference is a bitch)

Turns out it was her uncle that knew him and her mom just met him. Her uncle was his families driver, mainly his mothers. Drivers over there are quite popular. She also said obama was probably around the age of 10 and went to an international school. She unfortunatly couldn't give me any hard evidence like names dates or cities.

sorry that i couldn't get more facts and it all sounds like bull since i cant get facts.

[ktlight]

"Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks CBS News reported today , Mr. Obama told Pelley "this is not just a matter of Social Security checks. These are veterans checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out." CBS News reported , if this really happens it will be a real catastrophe for the millions of poor in the united States who rely entirely on the social security check for survival many of home few years ago believed in the Hope and Change that Obama will bring them , yes this is the Change you get from Obama a change to the worse not for the best ....I do however believe that Obama is just scaring the people kind of testing the masses reaction , the plan is not to cause a revolution the plan is to drag you all to the slaughter with your own consent one after the other , total control total enslavement and FEMA Camps for the very few who will dare to protest ..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXRMp199PWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXRMp199PWE&feature=player_embedded

[crosby]

but hey man, everyone in washington will receive their effing paychecks. this is just pissing me off to the point that i'm done writing letters to my representatives. that video is excellent. i am pissed off and i am going to find a way to get my heat thrown in the direction that it needs to go.
thank you kt for posting this.
regards, corson

[ktlight]

"Republican Senator Mitch McConnell has proposed a drastic solution to the administration’s insistence that the debt ceiling be raised against the wishes of many lawmakers, by handing over the power of the purse, an authority clearly invested in Congress according to the US Constitution, to Barack Obama’s White House.
“Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) floated a novel way out of default Tuesday, suggesting that Congress give up its power to raise the debt ceiling, and instead effectively transfer that authority — and the political pain that comes with it — to the White House for the remainder of Obama’s current term,” reports the Huffington Post.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has said he will seriously consider the proposal.
The US Constitution clearly states that Congress has the exclusive authority to raise and spend money. Article I section 8 states, “The Congress shall have Power….to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States,” and to “borrow Money on the credit of the United States.” This authority is commonly referred to as the “power of the purse”.
If this plan goes forward it represents yet another alarming advance in the Obama administration’s establishment of an executive dictatorship, which we have documented at length.
Alex Jones addresses this shocking development in the video below."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-MtMCEZtLqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-MtMCEZtLqg

[Bea]

Thank you for the you tube links Onawah
I've watched the 12 part Hyperdimensional Election of Barack Obama. Very interesting and absorbing.
Many times I've seen it expressed that the small and dark machinations of man here on earth cannot stand against the tide of universal energy and change. Hoagland's ideas demonstrates that well I think, and it is uplifting. My sense of Obama very much aligns with what he says in this regard also.
I look forward to watching the others vid's.

[ktlight]

"The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people.

The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery.

We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order's plans. It's not about Left or Right: it's about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation.

Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you.

Watch the Obama Deception and learn how:

- Obama is continuing the process of transforming America into something that resembles Nazi Germany, with forced National Service, domestic civilian spies, warrantless wiretaps, the destruction of the Second Amendment, FEMA camps and Martial Law.

- Obama's handlers are openly announcing the creation of a new Bank of the World that will dominate every nation on earth through carbon taxes and military force.

- International bankers purposefully engineered the worldwide financial meltdown to bankrupt the nations of the planet and bring in World Government.

- Obama plans to loot the middle class, destroy pensions and federalize the states so that the population is completely dependent on the Central Government.

- The Elite are using Obama to pacify the public so they can usher in the North American Union by stealth, launch a new Cold War and continue the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

[onawah]

This is just the same old argument!! Blaming Obama for what the controllers are pushing, when we do KNOW that ANYONE who might have been elected to the Presidency would have been forced to follow the controller's agenda. There is no way to prove that Obama is not a highly evolved soul waiting for the tide to turn so that he can make beneficial policy changes. At this point, it just comes down to what you feel and intuit.

[T Smith]

This is just the same old argument!! Blaming Obama for what the controllers are pushing, when we do KNOW that ANYONE who might have been elected to the Presidency would have been forced to follow the controller's agenda. There is no way to prove that Obama is not a highly evolved soul waiting for the tide to turn so that he can make beneficial policy changes. At this point, it just comes down to what you feel and intuit.

Obama is who and what he is. Yes, it is accurate not to blame the world Government agenda on Obama. Obama is an asset of the agenda, not an instigator or progenitor. I think it's safe to say everybody on this forum understands this. And I'm not inferring a "blaming Obama" tone out of ktlight's last post at all.

In my opinion, it's also equally weak to exonerate an asset -- any asset -- simply because said person is merely a cog in the wheel. That's like exonerating the hit-man because he is merely doing the job demanded of him by his controllers. In addition, if you subscribe to the notion that Obama is going through the necessary motions to arrive at some dubious and unlikely chance to "turn the tide" some day, so to do some good, that's a serious stretch for me. That's like justifying the hit man's killing spree by clinging to the irrational hope that all the killing is unavoidable and done in the name of saving the lives on the hit man's list in some uncertain future.

[onawah]

This is just the same old argument!! Blaming Obama for what the controllers are pushing, when we do KNOW that ANYONE who might have been elected to the Presidency would have been forced to follow the controller's agenda. There is no way to prove that Obama is not a highly evolved soul waiting for the tide to turn so that he can make beneficial policy changes. At this point, it just comes down to what you feel and intuit.

Obama is who and what he is. Yes, it is accurate not to blame the world Government agenda on Obama. Obama is an asset of the agenda, not an instigator or progenitor. I think it's safe to say everybody on this forum understands this. And I'm not inferring a "blaming Obama" tone out of ktlight's last post at all.

In my opinion, it's also equally weak to exonerate an asset -- any asset -- simply because said person is merely a cog in the wheel. That's like exonerating the hit-man because he is merely doing the job demanded of him by his controllers. In addition, if you subscribe to the notion that Obama is going through the necessary motions to arrive at some dubious and unlikely chance to "turn the tide" some day, so to do some good, that's a serious stretch for me. That's like justifying the hit man's killing spree by clinging to the irrational hope that all the killing is unavoidable and done in the name of saving the lives on the hit man's list in some uncertain future.

I don't think it's at all the same. I don't think Obama consciously knew what he was getting into, but once he was in, there was no escape. In any case, I did not say that Obama would turn the tide. I said that he would be waiting for the tide to turn enough so that he could begin to make truly beneficial policy changes.

On the other hand, I think that Obama, when choosing what path he would follow in this lifetime (as I think we all do, given the limitations to choice we all must face in 3D reality), saw that he would have an opportunity to help hasten beneficial changes once the tide had turned enough so that TPTB could no longer prevent it...

Knowing he would be forced to play along with TPTB, but knowing too that someone else in that position, say, McCain, might be even easier to manipulate toward the dark side's agenda, and could be used as a puppet for a longer time...

And knowing that he (Obama) would likely have a better chance of bringing about true reform once it was possible to do so, better than anyone else who was likely to get elected in this time frame.

Let's be real. Life is not all black and white, and we are all, to some extent, culpable, or we would not be here. That's a condition for anyone incarnating into this 3D reality, unless we are already some kind of Avatar. Until then, we take risks, not knowing for certain how things will turn out, as this is a free will universe, although TPTB have designs even on that! It is our intent that is so important, as Don Juan Matus always said.

I think it is a high risk game that Obama is playing, but I think his goals are positive in the last analysis. It is like the classic story from the Bhavadgita, where Arjuna stands at the brink of a great battle, knowing that many of his friends and family, who are on both sides, will be killed. He does not want to fight, but Krishna tells him that to act is unavoidable. He must fight knowing that every other man on the battlefield is a manifestation of the One, and if he fights with the love of the One in his heart, and dedicates his actions to the Will of the One, his actions will be free of karma.

[T Smith]

This is just the same old argument!! Blaming Obama for what the controllers are pushing, when we do KNOW that ANYONE who might have been elected to the Presidency would have been forced to follow the controller's agenda. There is no way to prove that Obama is not a highly evolved soul waiting for the tide to turn so that he can make beneficial policy changes. At this point, it just comes down to what you feel and intuit.

Obama is who and what he is. Yes, it is accurate not to blame the world Government agenda on Obama. Obama is an asset of the agenda, not an instigator or progenitor. I think it's safe to say everybody on this forum understands this. And I'm not inferring a "blaming Obama" tone out of ktlight's last post at all.

In my opinion, it's also equally weak to exonerate an asset -- any asset -- simply because said person is merely a cog in the wheel. That's like exonerating the hit-man because he is merely doing the job demanded of him by his controllers. In addition, if you subscribe to the notion that Obama is going through the necessary motions to arrive at some dubious and unlikely chance to "turn the tide" some day, so to do some good, that's a serious stretch for me. That's like justifying the hit man's killing spree by clinging to the irrational hope that all the killing is unavoidable and done in the name of saving the lives on the hit man's list in some uncertain future.

I don't think it's at all the same. I don't think Obama consciously knew what he was getting into, but once he was in, there was no escape. In any case, I did not say that Obama would turn the tide. I said that he would be waiting for the tide to turn enough so that he could begin to make truly beneficial policy changes.

On the other hand, I think that Obama, when choosing what path he would follow in this lifetime (as I think we all do, given the limitations to choice we all must face in 3D reality), saw that he would have an opportunity to help hasten beneficial changes once the tide had turned enough so that TPTB could no longer prevent it...

Knowing he would be forced to play along with TPTB, but knowing too that someone else in that position, say, McCain, might be even easier to manipulate toward the dark side's agenda, and could be used as a puppet for a longer time...

And knowing that he (Obama) would likely have a better chance of bringing about true reform once it was possible to do so, better than anyone else who was likely to get elected in this time frame.

Let's be real. Life is not all black and white, and we are all, to some extent, culpable, or we would not be here. That's a condition for anyone incarnating into this 3D reality, unless we are already some kind of Avatar. Until then, we take risks, not knowing for certain how things will turn out, as this is a free will universe, although TPTB have designs even on that! It is our intent that is so important, as Don Juan Matus always said.

I think it is a high risk game that Obama is playing, but I think his goals are positive in the last analysis. It is like the classic story from the Bhavadgita, where Arjuna stands at the brink of a great battle, knowing that many of his friends and family, who are on both sides, will be killed. He does not want to fight, but Krishna tells him that to act is unavoidable. He must fight knowing that every other man on the battlefield is a manifestation of the One, and if he fights with the love of the One in his heart, and dedicates his actions to the Will of the One, his actions will be free of karma.

It's an interesting take. As someone who considers all possibilities, I have pondered this view to some degree myself. But at the end of the day, I'm not so quick to subscribe. If indeed Obama is playing the role of double agent, as you imply (which would serve well to explain and apologize for his blatant peccadilloes) I would also like to see some evidence (not just intuition) that he is also an agent on behalf of free humanity.

[onawah]

It's an interesting take. As someone who considers all possibilities, I have pondered this view to some degree myself. But at the end of the day, I'm not so quick to subscribe. If indeed Obama is playing the role of double agent, as you imply (which would serve well to explain and apologize for his blatant peccadilloes) I would also like to see some evidence (not just intuition) that he is also an agent on behalf of free humanity.


Hopefully there will be ample evidence before too long. I have not been especially "quick to subscribe". I have wondered a lot, but my intuition overrides my intellect in the final analysis.

[Lost Soul]

I don't think it's at all the same. I don't think Obama consciously knew what he was getting into, but once he was in, there was no escape. In any case, I did not say that Obama would turn the tide. I said that he would be waiting for the tide to turn enough so that he could begin to make truly beneficial policy changes.

Obama didn't know what he was getting into? Unfreaking believable. He certainly knew and has engaged in cover-up long before he was sworn in. Eleven million dollars spent to hide his birth certificate alone. His college records were sealed. His travel to Pakistan as a foreign citizen. The Fifth Avenue boys crafted his image and the lawyers covered his tracks. Look at everyone who sits on his cabinet. They're retreads from the Clinton Administration or from Wall Street. Geitner "I don't pay taxes" from the NY Federal Reserve. Henry Paulson from Goldman Sachs, one of the large firms that created the financial mess we're in.

No candidate from either party will do the bidding of the people. They're all bought and paid for, including Obama.

[Muzz]

President Barack Obama “abruptly” walked out of today’s White House meeting with legislative leaders on the federal deficit, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor told reporters.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-13/obama-abruptly-walks-from-meeting-cantor.html

[Eric J (Viking)]

Excellent...

does this mean they won't raise the ceiling debt?? anyone? has anyone heard?

viking

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

They will rise the ceiling. They are "masons" aren't they? ;) It is just another tool to scare us all. Fear not. Be free :) What do we have to loose? Only our bodies. It is not much. We are immortal souls :)

Personally I wish "they" would not extend this "debt money" busines and this house of cards to fall apart. So we could start building from scratch :)

Best wishes :)
Robert

[ktlight]

"We are not going to default, we have enough tax revenue to pay our bills. It certainly will be disruptive if we continue going on the track we're going on right now. We have enough asserts, Social Security, Medicare trust fund to pay those benefits if necessary. It's not ideal but we don't need to panic and rush into a deal and the President has actually been burning the clock with these secret negotiations pushing us against a deadline so he can create this panic. We need to keep calm and if the President would work with us on some reasonable cuts, we'll work with him on giving him an increase on the debt limit. Now is not the time to panic and do something else that is going to make our economy worse and cost us most jobs," Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUzbhwSovaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUzbhwSovaI&feature=player_embedded

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I don't think it's at all the same. I don't think Obama consciously knew what he was getting into, but once he was in, there was no escape. In any case, I did not say that Obama would turn the tide. I said that he would be waiting for the tide to turn enough so that he could begin to make truly beneficial policy changes.

Obama didn't know what he was getting into? Unfreaking believable. He certainly knew and has engaged in cover-up long before he was sworn in. Eleven million dollars spent to hide his birth certificate alone. His college records were sealed. His travel to Pakistan as a foreign citizen. The Fifth Avenue boys crafted his image and the lawyers covered his tracks. Look at everyone who sits on his cabinet. They're retreads from the Clinton Administration or from Wall Street. Geitner "I don't pay taxes" from the NY Federal Reserve. Henry Paulson from Goldman Sachs, one of the large firms that created the financial mess we're in.

No candidate from either party will do the bidding of the people. They're all bought and paid for, including Obama.

I think Ron Paul might take issue with that statement….

[onawah]

Ron Paul will be subject to the same restrictions as anyone who has been President has been for many decades now, until the Controllers themselves are subject to restrictions or better yet, give up their goal of world dominance.
Politics is just a game. It will take something more than just politics to change the way the planet is being run.

[Davidallany]

All elite politicians are viewed by TPTB, blessings then are bestowed on those who are better actors, looking innocent and sounding sincere. Everyone who sits on the chair is an agent of the dark forces, despite the appearances.

[ktlight]

Obama caught shipping guns to drug dealers who have killed at lest 3 police officers!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRHWnjyjOC0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRHWnjyjOC0&feature=youtu.be

[Teakai]

He's not just a cop killer. He's got the blood of thousands on his hands. And he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

That has got to be the epitome of ridiculous.

[astrid]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/15/obama_80_of_the_american_people_want_higher_taxes.html

""The American people are sold," President Obama said.

"The American people are sold, I just want to repeat that."

"You have 80% of the American people who support a balanced approach.
80% of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts.
So the notion that somehow the American people aren't sold is not the problem.
The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically.""


NLP, much????

Not half obvious that he is working at programming the masses..

For the other 20%, thats ok, we have FEMA.......

[Lord Sidious]

How does he know? Is he psychic?
Or psychotic?

[ktlight]

FYI:

US President Barack Obama has made reference to polls to argue that his proposal of a "balanced approach" on a debt deal is what the American nation wants.


"My Republican friends have said that they're not willing to do revenues, and they have repeated that on several occasions," CBS News quoted Obama as saying at a news conference at the White House on Friday.

"My hope, though, is that they're listening not just to lobbyists or special interests here in Washington, but they're also listening to the American people. Because it turns out, poll after poll, many done by your organizations, show that it's not just Democrats who think we need to take a balanced approach, it's Republicans as well," he added.

"The clear majority of Republican voters think that any deficit reduction package should have a balanced approach and should include some revenues. That's not just Democrats. That's the majority of Republicans."

The remarks come as a Gallup poll released on Wednesday found that only 20 percent of Americans support a deal that only includes spending cuts -- which has been advocated by Republicans.

The survey also revealed that another 30 percent of Americans wanted a deal that was "mostly" spending cuts, and 32 percent wanted a deal split equally between spending cuts and tax increases. Eleven percent favored a deal that was mostly or all tax increases.

Meanwhile, New York-based Standard & Poor's financial services company has put the US AAA rating on formal credit watch, warning there is a chance of downgrade if talks between the White House and Republicans on raising the debt limit remain stalemated.

On Wednesday, Moody's Investors Service also placed the US triple-A rating on review for a possible downgrade over concerns that the debt threshold will not be raised in time to prevent a missed payment of principal (amount owed) and interest on outstanding bonds and notes.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has warned that a global financial crisis could take place if the US debt ceiling is not raised by its August 2 deadline.

Speaking before the US House of Representative's Financial Service Committee on Wednesday, he emphasized that if the country's debt ceiling is not raised, the US government would choose to stop offering benefits such as Social Security payments and instead pay its creditors.

“The assumption is that as long as possible, the Treasury would want to try to make payments on the interest to the government debt, because failure to do that would certainly throw the financial system into enormous disarray and have major impacts on the global economy,” Bernanke said.

He further explained that the government would have to slash domestic spending by as much as 40 percent as an alternative plan. This, however, is expected to bring the country's economic growth to a standstill.

The US reached its borrowing limit, currently at USD 14.3 trillion, on May 16, up from USD 10.6 trillion when Obama took office in 2009.

source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/189267.html

[Etherios]

How does he know? Is he psychic?
Or psychotic?

If he repeats it enough and the media promote this enough... the sheeple will make it a reality.

[thunder24]

Easy calling people sheeple, half way around the world isn't it...
What do you call the Grecians that allowed there government to make the recent moves they have made?
peace

Either come together in peace with fellow man and drop the demeaning rhetoric, or each one fix their own countries problems.

[Etherios]

Easy calling people sheeple, half way around the world isn't it...
What do you call the Grecians that allowed there government to make the recent moves they have made?
peace

Either come together in peace with fellow man and drop the demeaning rhetoric, or each one fix their own countries problems.

WoW ... easy boy dont get all excited .... Did i say that only USA people have been brainwashed and are sheeple? We are talking about waht the USA president said ... should i comment what the Russian people are ?????????

I have said many times when the topic is about the Greeks ... that almost all of us are sheeple.

I pity you that get defensive and racial over this really. Where you like it or not greeks and americans and turks and russians ... we are all humans. So this goes to all people around the planet.

So STOP feeling American and start feeling human and you will see i had no racial intentions on my comments. It saddens me that you dont reply to what i said but attack me and pointing out how we here are "bad" also ... so sad ... pitiful reaction.

If people that say are awaken like you react this way ... i pity the human race cause we are doomed anyway you see it. Pathetic.

p.s. i cant care less about what will happen to your / mine / their country. I care about the human race. You can keep your country and enjoy it.

[Cidersomerset]

Well done Thunder24..............I felt the 'crack' and saw the 'Lightning' over hear...LOL..

Of course you're not asleep and Etherios was not implying it..We all feel let down by our leaders , because as we know they do not set the policies we are governed by....
Our main weapon is not violence it is communication, as has been verified by the Arab spring.Although inevitably violence errupts as old regimes try to hang on to power.
I don't know where they got the 80% figure from, as all the US members and vids I've seen do not give me the impression thay want to pay more to TNWO.....Cheers STEVE

[T Smith]

I don't know where they got the 80% figure from, as all the US members and vids I've seen do not give me the impression thay want to pay more to TNWO.....Cheers STEVE

You dare question the Ministry of Truth?

[Cidersomerset]

Yes>>yes>>yes>>yes>>yes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers steve................................................

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Easy calling people sheeple, half way around the world isn't it...
What do you call the Grecians that allowed there government to make the recent moves they have made?
peace

Either come together in peace with fellow man and drop the demeaning rhetoric, or each one fix their own countries problems.
How are you getting wifi out in the woods?

[thunder24]

Easy calling people sheeple, half way around the world isn't it...
What do you call the Grecians that allowed there government to make the recent moves they have made?
peace

Either come together in peace with fellow man and drop the demeaning rhetoric, or each one fix their own countries problems.

WoW ... easy boy dont get all excited .... Did i say that only USA people have been brainwashed and are sheeple? We are talking about waht the USA president said ... should i comment what the Russian people are ?????????

I have said many times when the topic is about the Greeks ... that almost all of us are sheeple.

I pity you that get defensive and racial over this really. Where you like it or not greeks and americans and turks and russians ... we are all humans. So this goes to all people around the planet.

So STOP feeling American and start feeling human and you will see i had no racial intentions on my comments. It saddens me that you dont reply to what i said but attack me and pointing out how we here are "bad" also ... so sad ... pitiful reaction.

If people that say are awaken like you react this way ... i pity the human race cause we are doomed anyway you see it. Pathetic.

p.s. i cant care less about what will happen to your / mine / their country. I care about the human race. You can keep your country and enjoy it.
I did not think you were being racial. I did not say nor act like anyone here was bad or a bad person. I don't remember saying I was awake either, if I did then I retract that statement whereever it is. I don't know anyone on here nor in real life that I would call awake. Awakening, like a kitten with its eyes just popping open, maybe, but not awake.

Being human doesnot constitute continueing to make demeaning remarks about humanity. I have come to realize this with in the past month. I'll call a spade a spade anytime, but there are plenty of people not registered here that read what is written. If they are insecure within them self about joining, because they know that they don't know, then comments about sheeple may cause them to not join. I personally feel that it would be a lose if they didn't because of such comments.

If you thought I was being racial by useing the terms People, fellow man, or Grecian....then I appologize.

and please refer to my last comment in the intial post after I said "PEACE"


Easy calling people sheeple, half way around the world isn't it...
What do you call the Grecians that allowed there government to make the recent moves they have made?
peace

Either come together in peace with fellow man and drop the demeaning rhetoric, or each one fix their own countries problems.
How are you getting wifi out in the woods?

What makes you think I'm useing WiFi


Obama lies just like the rest of the puppet governments. duh

PEACE

[Etherios]

i was explaining how brainwashing works ... how propaganda work ... say it enough times and the brainwashed people will make it real.


Anyway ill ignore you if you want ... cause you dont make sense to me sorry.

BtW there is NO country left we are all under 1 rule and i hope you see it eventually.

[Lost Soul]

Awfully nice of him to make that number of 80% up. He also doesn't say under what circumstances that he would get that 80% percentile.

If he really wanted to raise money, he could raise the limit on social security to include any income over the fixed amount it currently is. He could call upon Congress to rescind GATT and NAFTA and impose taxes on foreign individuals and corporations that do business within the borders. That seems more equitable than trying to hit the surviving middle class.

[Odracir Oiravlac]

Gretings.
I wish that you do not take my following comment as offensive as it seems that you have ( at least a little bit) with Etherios.
Sheeple" - When people blindly follow a leader or political view without questioning the validity or looking more than surface deep.
It is my opinion the problem does not lie on the people’s reaction to new challenges made by their governments, the very statement that you “Thunder24” wile reacting to the post of “Etherios, is in it self a bigger problem because you still are (as are most of us) very attached to the notion of a nation, Why? Well because we are not citizens of one country, we are citizens of the Earth, flags serve only the purpose of separation, something that is quite easy to see in the world’s economic state. People would accept almost everything and not only more taxes (as we have seen all around the globe and most especially in the U.S.), because they believe in the system, this has happened before and will continue to happen all around the world because the system is quite the same everywhere. Their governments say that they need an additional effort from the population or their lives will tumble down as a castle of cards and they obviously believe it, why shouldn’t they? Their representatives say so, the media says so, their colleagues say so. If the majority of individual humans were aware of the backstage movements that are made not for their prosperity, but only for the fortune of a few that laugh in the face of the misery by them created, the places or institutions like this very one where we are interacting, would not exist, they wouldn’t be needed.
The sad sad truth is that man is a very capable being as an individual, however, as a community, as mankind, it does have a very distinguishable herd like behavior.
Thank you for reading and please do speak your mind if you so wish.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

"The American people are sold, I just want to repeat that."

Repeat it as often as you like, it's not true. As an American who knows better ~ I rest my case. The IRS is dust, as is the Federal Reserve. Most of the bigwigs have evacuated to Equador and that's why Bill is not back yet, he found the whistle blower story of his entire lifetime and is pursuing it. Stay tuned. He'll be back! Much love! xoxoxox

[thunder24]

I agree with you that "If the majority of individual humans were aware of the backstage movements that are made not for their prosperity, but only for the fortune of a few that laugh in the face of the misery by them created, the places or institutions like this very one where we are interacting, would not exist, they wouldn’t be needed."

Yes we are under one rule, not equally applied but still one rule, in my opinion for I surely don't know.

None of us know what we don't know, many of us are not even aware of what we don't know. All are deaf, dumb, and blind to something.





Gretings.
I wish that you do not take my following comment as offensive as it seems that you have ( at least a little bit) with Etherios.
Sheeple" - When people blindly follow a leader or political view without questioning the validity or looking more than surface deep.
It is my opinion the problem does not lie on the people’s reaction to new challenges made by their governments, the very statement that you “Thunder24” wile reacting to the post of “Etherios, is in it self a bigger problem because you still are (as are most of us) very attached to the notion of a nation, Why? Well because we are not citizens of one country, we are citizens of the Earth, flags serve only the purpose of separation, something that is quite easy to see in the world’s economic state. People would accept almost everything and not only more taxes (as we have seen all around the globe and most especially in the U.S.), because they believe in the system, this has happened before and will continue to happen all around the world because the system is quite the same everywhere. Their governments say that they need an additional effort from the population or their lives will tumble down as a castle of cards and they obviously believe it, why shouldn’t they? Their representatives say so, the media says so, their colleagues say so. If the majority of individual humans were aware of the backstage movements that are made not for their prosperity, but only for the fortune of a few that laugh in the face of the misery by them created, the places or institutions like this very one where we are interacting, would not exist, they wouldn’t be needed.
The sad sad truth is that man is a very capable being as an individual, however, as a community, as mankind, it does have a very distinguishable herd like behavior.
Thank you for reading and please do speak your mind if you so wish.

To call those people sheeple with out acknowledging the culture of mind control that has been all many of us have known, is an unfair labeling. Flags are wedges of division, just like labeling the people that many on this forum try and "wake up" every day. Those people you determine to be "sheeple" are needed, because they are alive, so why not address the reasons for the ignorance, blindness and dumbness instead of calleing them out. Many turn to drugs, alcohol, or what ever they can get their hands on to numb their pain of the realities of this life. Many see the problems yet know not what to do about it, this to is part of the culture that has been reality for most of us, from the school systems, to religions, to the laws and law makers. The system is steered and driven to make us all sheeple. Some don't follow the norm and i thank ya'll for that. All I'm saying is the choice of words can make or break a conversation, relationship, discussion, whatever.

peace

Obama's statement is "The propaganda of political theater"

[ghostrider]

Awfully nice of him to make that number of 80% up. He also doesn't say under what circumstances that he would get that 80% percentile.

If he really wanted to raise money, he could raise the limit on social security to include any income over the fixed amount it currently is. He could call upon Congress to rescind GATT and NAFTA and impose taxes on foreign individuals and corporations that do business within the borders. That seems more equitable than trying to hit the surviving middle class.
they seem to have no trouble finding money when it's time for their re-election. they are good at spending other peoples money, instead of stopping spending money you don't have, just raise your limit, and keep on truckin. yep that'll fix it.

[modwiz]

I think at least 50% of Americans would like him to go fork himself.

[Referee]

Maybe they could sell some more drugs to pay down the debt? What a bunch of !@#$%^^&*((). I think we should confiscate their secret bank accounts there is probable 5x the national debt in them.

I get so tired with these people at times. I struggle to stay positive. I am working on it. Thank You Avonuggets for helping me cope.

Live, Laugh, Love

Best Regards,

Referee

[ghostrider]

OH shure I want to have less money this year than ever, just triple my taxes and the national debt is history in one month. yep no worries. rest easy all the world uncle ghostrider just paid it off. maybe I'll get a fridge magnet or some obama TV trays. I'm so tired from 110 degrees EVERYDAY, I'm giddy, learn to laugh and nothing can hurt you anymore. Life is good here in the divided states of America. everything is broken, being broken, and about to be broken, let the breaking begin, wow I need a break from being broke. gonna make my street corner sign WILL BLOG FOR FOOD. HA HA HE HE HO HO... so hot here I've lost it, forgive my ranting.

[Lord Sidious]

Even if the debt got paid off, if the fed remains, it will run up again.
When the nation borrows its currency from elsewhere at interest, then you are cactus.
The debt is always bigger than the money supply.

[astrid]

I'm not sure if its just me, (being Aspergers i have a very unusual relationship with humor),
but their propaganda is all so incredibly funny....

I have to check sometimes if it's real or just a clip from The Onion.....

9U4Ha9HQvMo

[Sierra]

OH shure I want to have less money this year than ever, just triple my taxes and the national debt is history in one month. yep no worries. rest easy all the world uncle ghostrider just paid it off. maybe I'll get a fridge magnet or some obama TV trays. I'm so tired from 110 degrees EVERYDAY, I'm giddy, learn to laugh and nothing can hurt you anymore. Life is good here in the divided states of America. everything is broken, being broken, and about to be broken, let the breaking begin, wow I need a break from being broke. gonna make my street corner sign WILL BLOG FOR FOOD. HA HA HE HE HO HO... so hot here I've lost it, forgive my ranting.

Ghostrider, where *are* you? 110 degrees sucks big time ...

Sierra just curious

[Sierra]

I'm not sure if its just me, (being Aspergers i have a very unusual relationship with humor),
but their propaganda is all so incredibly funny....

I have to check sometimes if it's real or just a clip from The Onion.....


Oh that was hysterical! Thank you Astrid :wave:

[Odracir Oiravlac]

First of all, i would like to thank you for your comment on my post ( the 1º one I have ever made anywhere).
Secondly I want to say that I absolutely agree with you, the system is indeed rigged, schools do not provide education, they provide indoctrination. A system whose only purpose is to shut down all perception, all spirituality (not religion, that’s still very much encouraged), our senses reduced to their physical forms. It is indeed a miracle that so many of us manage to resist all this and still broke free from this overwhelming oppression.
While some like Bill are fighting for enlightenment for all, many more are doing the same in the opposite direction and quite frankly they are still winning. Their plans are getting bigger, their greed fatter and unfortunately they are very good in what they do.
However, in my opinion our biggest problem is the human mind and the way it was programmed in the beginning, the mind has the power to block what it rejects, what goes into conflict with their foundation of what’s real, worse, the mind even controls the 5 primary sensorial organs and can filter all that they do not want to see or feel, for instance, in a very recent study it was found that the metropolitan human only sees around 2 meters in front of him and this in a downwards angle and this, for me, did not came as a surprise, even where I live, a place without any type of building with more than 6 floors in height, when asked about their opinion about the chemtrails, they do not have any memory of seeing them in the sky and, believe me when I say that around here, we have them almost every day, all day back and forward. And if “forced” to see them, the mind shuts down and they enter in denial mode.
I am sorry if I came a little bit of topic but point is that humans do behave in a herd like fashion, is it their fault or is it in the system, well that’s very interesting question, perhaps the one closest to the truth will be in the middle somehow.
Thank you.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Your opinion please:


http://www.larouchepac.com/node/18787

[Chucky]

Hi there, My opinion after watching most of this just seems to show we as a caring, loving set of humans that seem to be at a peak time of seeing this dictatorship rising now is evidence that America and the world powers that be are throwing all they have in their carefully laid plans to rule by deceipt. They make the money and hoard it and make everyone else pay the interest and then when forced in a corner where by you can't as a country pay it back they claim the rights to the goods you promised as a bail out figure (Punishment) for defaulting.
Personally people I remember a quote. Money is just a piece of paper with a picture on it. The belief that it is impportant is our down fall.(Belief)!!!
Therefore this video is an eye opener and sure is striking home but how will this hurt us if we choose now to belief that we as humans can help eachother now and not except money principles anymore. Just say no and throw the banks against the walls. No money, No needs for them anymore and we will have the power!!! Very simple........
Obama is a puppet and that is it. We are the power so lets laugh at them and call their bluff and refuse to have their money, pyramid belief systems and begin to look after eachother. Its Called being Responsible. :becky:

[Pony Express]

Truth was spoken in this clip. And Glass-Stegal should be brought back. For those so inclined, this terrible power was foretold in ancient texts. The world is indeed waking up to how many millenniums this plan has been unfolding. Much of the world is even realizing that we are not fighting "flesh and blood" here, but against "principalities and powers and wickedness in high places."

Those who venture to the front lines must be very brave and prepared to give their lives, for it could well come down to that. These principalities and powers truly mean to take away our continuity and make this planet desolate. To my mind, only a Divine Force is strong enough to win this battle.

Those on this forum who hope for increased knowledge and a heightened awareness have good goals. This video clip reminds us that we must all take note of what we believe and who we trust. True wisdom comes from a Good Source. A number of counterfeits are out there. My best wishes for all who are making the journey.

[Chucky]

Very true Pony express. Can't help but feel though that through all this cloak and dagger stuff and fear spreading we are all in fear for just that. Our lives. I must say though as a personal view from me and that is I see more and more it is about choice. Do you have one? or Do you not? and for life , well death is another scary fear filled word we have been brainwashed to kneel to aswell i feel. We are soul and at the end of the day we all know we don't live here for ever so why fear the obvious. Lets be happy that we are here and most importantly for our future children and there generations lets make damn sure we give all of them the right to Choice to choose!
The games we see in the news are I guess in your eyes and mine and many are now waking to it , just seem to be theirs. Not ours anymore. Lets change the game. Our turn I reckon. We are at a time now these changes seen in the past are upon us but their plan was that too.... Now lets unite and change and show them a real plan..... Love filled future!!! Remeber each of us with a soul is eternal and we are one and we have a gift called free will and therefore as a single being making a choice to join back as one here and standing tall together we are the ones that will be feared by the very forces trying rule us. Light is right i reckon!!! :)