Barack Obama 2011

[Unified Serenity]

From WND:

"WALL STREET INSIDER: The Obama White House Wants Us Gone. All of Us.
by Ulsterman on October 17, 2011 with 72 Comments in News

Our latest interview with a longtime Wall Street Insider reveals details of a troubling Obama White House stance against Wall Street executives voicing concern over the now daily violence permeating the Occupy Wall Street movement – and a belief the Obama administration may be actively engaged in helping create that conflict.

.... another part of the interview:

"Ulsterman: What do you mean “gone”?

WSI: Just what I stated. Gone. Out of the way. Our ability to make a living eliminated. The system as we know it…the foundational freedoms of the free market…they consider it a burden. A problem. Something that needs to be redefined where government controls every critical component of the system. In essence, they want the end of capitalism. I know that has been said before, and I was among those who would roll their eyes at such an accusation against President Obama. Call me a believer now. What is being told to me…to others whose livelihood had been working within the current system – the situation is growing very dire. Very dangerous. I am not saying I fear for my life necessarily…it’s not that. It’s that I fear for this country’s way of life. I have never felt it to have been in so much danger as I do so right now. And it’s moving quickly – very quickly in a direction I think very few wish to comprehend.

Ulsterman: When we spoke last time you sounded so confident. You said you were going to pick up a broom – I believe that’s how you put it. Pick up a broom and sweep the protesters out of the park. Why the change in tone? And so quickly.

WSI: To my credit, that is exactly what was about to happen within days of my telling you that, correct? The protesters were given notice. The park was in fact scheduled to be cleaned. I knew of that intention. Then…the cleaning was delayed. That was followed by an immediate response from protesters toward more violent actions. Do you know there was an employee – a person working for one of the firms, injured by a group of protesters a short time ago? They were accosted. Made the mistake of trying to intellectually challenge the protesters – ask them why they were doing what they were doing. They were pushed, shoved down, scraped up. The firm…the firm decided to not make the altercation public for fear of reprisal by the mob. No charges. No media reporting on the incident. No consequences to those who attacked the individual. The space between that event and all out chaos is a very-very narrow one indeed. The message is going out to these people – these so called protesters…go ahead and attack. There will be no consequence. Attack."

read whole piece WND (http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/10/17/wall-street-insider-the-obama-white-house-wants-us-gone-all-of-us/)

[Lifebringer]

One thing we learned on Avalon is to decifer the truth and that which doesn't feel, sound or in this case smell right, we will ignore. This is the ONLY President that has even thought to bring up the middle class and poor. I don't believe what you posted 'United." sorry, just doesn't smell right to me.

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[Mod-edit: I changed "you" to "what you posted", to be more precise. Hope that's OK, lifebringer. :) :cow: :) ]

[Unified Serenity]

I happen to have never trusted Obama. This is one "whistle blower" sharing info, and I think it's worthwhile to know about it.

Edit: It looks like Lifebringers post is changed. So I am changing my post.

[ThePythonicCow]

Looks to me like we're watching a new schism being opened up, between the "Wall Street Capitalist Thieves" and the "Union Labor Thugs" (to use pejorative terms that each might use on the other.)

If it is from the dynamic conflict of such schisms that immense energy, power and controlled is generated, to be extracted by those knowingly stirring this pot.

Martial Law will be justified by riots and thuggery. A World monetary system will be justified by the bankruptcy of the US Dollar monetary system.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Removed no longer applicable inflammatory statements ...
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You had not stated your own views in the opening post ... just excerpted and linked the WND article. So it seems not too surprising to me that another reader might be unclear as to what you think versus what the WND article says.

If that confusion is what happened, and if it is the cause of your angst ... we can fix that ... easy :) :cow: :).

[modwiz]

The part that felt real to me was how out of touch with common reality the insider was. He spoke of NY as a monolith that was threatened, as if his small percentage of cronies represented the city. I am sure in his world they think they are. It seems the the strings they are used to pulling have frayed and aren't working. This lack of control has them panicking. A little more panic and violence will not be necessary or precipitated. The threat alone may make the cockroaches scurry and that might be a game changer.

It is my feeling that the conventional wisdom may not apply here.

[ThePythonicCow]

... and that might be a game changer.

It is my feeling that the conventional wisdom may not apply here.

I didn't quite understand your post (the limitations of my own mind, most likely) ... but I did smile in hopeful anticipation on reading your phrase "game changer."

[Unified Serenity]

Yes, I did not appreciate the remark directed at me as I was just bringing this report to Avalon's attention. I haven't really decided how I feel about it, but I do think it is important in regards to what is being reported pro or con regarding this situation. I do believe we are being set up and have said so many times. Remember, "Never let a good crisis go to waste".

[Titan Orion]

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I think the issue might have been that it was a pretty chunky quote, and you yourself had only written a few words before and after the quote. But yeah, I was a bit surprised at lifebringers response.

Dont let it put you off posting stuff like this in the future. I think the best bet is merely to add a bit more of a prefix to such a large quote. Also the thread title is a bit daunting and blatant, before I read the post I thought this was guna be some sort of theory post. I mean I dont see an issue with it myself, I thought it was pretty straightforward, you were merely showing what someone had said, just trying to see a way around avoiding such responses from fellow forum users in future.

Take it easy sister

[ThePythonicCow]

I do believe we are being set up and have said so many times.
Yup - exactly.

[Unified Serenity]

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I think the issue might have been that it was a pretty chunky quote, and you yourself had only written a few words before and after the quote. But yeah, I was a bit surprised at lifebringers response.

Dont let it put you off posting stuff like this in the future. I think the best bet is merely to add a bit more of a prefix to such a large quote. Also the thread title is a bit daunting and blatant, before I read the post I thought this was guna be some sort of theory post. I mean I dont see an issue with it myself, I thought it was pretty straightforward, you were merely showing what someone had said, just trying to see a way around avoiding such responses from fellow forum users in future.

Take it easy sister

I understand your point. I always thought when one puts " " around someone's elses writing that it's self evident that it's not my view necessarily. I did not want to just blather on as I am not sure how I feel about it, but I guess in the future I could just say that and for info purposes only.

[modwiz]

... and that might be a game changer.

It is my feeling that the conventional wisdom may not apply here.

I didn't quite understand your post (the limitations of my own mind, most likely) ... but I did smile in hopeful anticipation on reading your phrase "game changer."

I was speaking to the way the wall street insider spoke. There was a detachment from our ordinary reality. I could sense the small world his ilk live in and the fears that would go through their heads knowing what they have been doing to the "little people". He said he is leaving town with his family. This man has nightmares of ropes and pitchforks and mobs getting home addresses from the internet. He is used to the privilege that money can buy. The game changer would be people leaving and not showing up for work, causing the money machine to lose its legs and limp. The minions leave and then the managers all alone show their true colors and depart as well. They already have enough money that they can't spend dead.

I could be completely wrong here but reading that report opened a window into a chain of events that had been hidden before. The Obama/Union thing would be a powerful combination and defeating Wall Street would not only be good for Obama it would allow the Democrats to be the hero of the working person again.

Let us not forget we are in the fog of war. The media backs Wall St and their strongest allies, the republicans. We are operating with no intelligence at all from them and a lot of questionable alternative reporting. I thought the OP's link might be disinfo (no reflection on the OP) but reading the whole thing shifted my opinion.

I hope this helps. The vision I have came as a gestalt. The brevity of my earlier post, as well as this one, is but a sliver of the vista I viewed

[Unified Serenity]

Well, when you also take into account what just came out in London about the police provacateurs. Here is some of the info:

"Rob Evans and Paul Lewis
Guardian
October 20, 2011

Police chiefs are facing pressure to explain the growing scandal in undercover policing of protest groups after the former director of public prosecutions said they had made a “monumental misjudgment” that could result in a host of miscarriages of justice.

A major inquiry into the use of police spies in the protest movement was thrown into chaos late on Wednesday after the Guardian revealed damaging allegations that police officers had authorised their undercover agents to give false evidence in court.

The government’s official police inspectorate cancelled the planned publication of a report by Bernard Hogan-Howe, the new Metropolitan police commissioner, into the use of police spies. It had been due to be unveiled on Thursday morning.

The announcement came just hours after the Guardian revealed it had obtained documents showing an undercover officer had concealed his identity from a court when he was prosecuted alongside a group of protesters for occupying a government office."

Read full article: Here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/20/police-spies-crossed-line-macdonald)


I have been involved in community awareness about this over-reaching government since the early 90's. How the FBI and other alphbet agencies would put people in our meetings to gather intel, they would put provacateurs in our protests trying to cause trouble. You can spot them usually, and it's odd, but by their shoes. They are so stupid they wear their cop shoes. So, it's nothing new to see a protest get hijacked and the peaceful protesters get attacked and in defending themselves they become the lawless, and give the government the excuse to crack down. The problem I have is if the new move is to get the people fighting mad, and turn this country into a huge chaotic crisis / warzone. Just remember in the middle of this chaos what would we do if we were attacked by a nation not in crisis like China or Russia? Do you want to be speaking Russian or Chinese in the near future because we were too stupid to deal with the real problem which is crony corporations, the Federal Reserve, and corrupt politicians. That takes setting aside petty differences and focusing on arresting those of the Fed, those in Congress and/or the Whitehouse involved, and any proven crony corporations having benefited from robbing the people blind. Of course before that happens, they will create world wide crisis, but then again we are seeing that happen right now. Keep us all distracted while they keep robbing us blind.

[ThePythonicCow]

I always thought when one puts " " around someone's elses writing that it's self evident that it's not my view necessarily. That is the exact meaning of " " (quotation) marks, yes.

But most of us are neither perfect readers, nor perfect writers. We miss those little clues, and even if we see them, we write imprecisely.

It's easier on us all, one self included, to read the posts of others with a bit of tolerance. Take it easy, as another poster suggested above.

[Unified Serenity]

Let us not forget we are in the fog of war. The media backs Wall St and their strongest allies, the republicans. We are operating with no intelligence at all from them and a lot of questionable alternative reporting. I thought the OP's link might be disinfo (no reflection on the OP) but reading the whole thing shifted my opinion.



OWS might not have started as an Obama plan, but he is planning to use it and the unions that have bought and paid for his help. As for acting as if it's Republicans who are supported by mainstream media that is a laugh. The media is owned and controlled by people who are going after much bigger fish than just corporate profit, but they are after a changed country. They are after worldwide control of all enterprise. Look at who owns the media. Wall Street has fed the coffers of both the Republicans and Democrats.

Obama would love to position himself as being the people's man and act as if that means going against Wall Street is the solution. Wall street is a symptom. The Federal Reserve is the one pulling the strings.

[Lord Sidious]

One thing we learned on Avalon is to decifer the truth and that which doesn't feel, sound or in this case smell right, we will ignore. This is the ONLY President that has even thought to bring up the middle class and poor. I don't believe what you posted 'United." sorry, just doesn't smell right to me.


I would trust a rabid coyote before I would trust anyone in a position like his.
It isn't about obamanugget or any of his cronies, it is about WHO let him take that seat.

[ThePythonicCow]

I would trust a rabid coyote before I would trust anyone in a position like his.
It isn't about obamanugget or any of his cronies, it is about WHO let him take that seat.
Agreed. At least one can trust the rabid coyote to bite you if he gets the chance, not sweet talk you one day and bite you the next.

[modwiz]

To Lord Sid and United Serenity. Points well taken. One firewall at a time. The Fed is hiding behind anything it can. If (Fire)Wall St is damaged another target comes into sight.

[GCS1103]

President Obama received the largest amount of donations by a presidential candidate from "Wall Street". His polices reflect his indebtedness to these people. I have the misfortune, in my career, to deal with some of these Wall Street people, and I can tell you that they love the guy. Not personally, but in their working life. The very fact that he made Tim (tax cheat) Geithner his Treasury Secretary, who was the chief architect of the bailout of the Wall Street banks, should be a clue to where his allegiance lies. The subsequent regulations that were passed, which were supposed to prevent future misconduct on Wall Street, were a sham.

In the three years of his presidency, not one single Wall Street banker has ever been prosecuted for the blatent fraud connected to the asset-backed mortgage securities debacle. My clients, some of whom are stock brokers and hedge fund managers, continue to live great lives on our dime. Here is an example of what is happening due to the lack of oversight: (This is an actual client of mine) Stock brokers are limited, due to the "regulations" as to the actual "pay" they can receive. My client drew a salary of $75,000.00. However, he received a "signing bonus" of $1,500,000.00 also, which was perfectly legal as it was not classified as salary. They have gotten around all the so called "regulations" to bring their pay into line. Their signing bonuses are not regulated. This was not an oversight; it was calculated. I have seen the tax returns of some of my Wall Street clients and would love to post them here so you can see what is going on. I am not ready to retire or get disbarred, so I can't do that.:( I am writing this because it's a fallacy that Wall Street is connected to one political party. Both political parties are in bed with these thieves.

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks for sharing your personal experience GCS. I just wonder what the average joe is going to do in light of this most recent upset with the BofA and their moving 75 trillion onto the side of the books that put's the US citizen on the hook for their gambling on derivatives.

[NancyV]

I have also had some experience with the Wall Street types. My 3rd husband owned a firm on Wall Street, had several seats on the NYSE and made many millions in his 35 years of being actively involved. I'm not going to mention the name of his firm since it's still being run by his daughter. She inherited it after he died. He was Jewish and his first wife was a well known Jewish heiress. You would probably all recognize her surname since her father was well known worldwide.

I was rather naive and ignorant about what went on in the NYSE but being a good listener I got my husband to talk about it in the year I stayed married to him. The more I heard and the more I observed how he delighted in using his money to control others, the more appalled I became. He used to tell me how much fun he had causing a stock to either crash or soar in price...simply by spreading certain rumors or getting big money people to either buy or sell in order to make money on the losses of others. He bragged about once single handedly causing a run on Kodak stocks. He LOVED doing this. He truly didn't care about those who lost money or that he caused it to happen. It was a game.

He also explained to me that the New York Stock Exchange was nothing but a gambling house and he just happened to be a good gambler. My opinion of Wall Street and those who work there is definitely colored by the stories told to me by my husband. I think they are probably mostly all opportunistic, money grubbing, manipulative, heartless and control-freak thieves. (that's putting it nicely) I did get to see a little bit of karma in action while I was doing some of his bookkeeping and discovered that his traders and lawyers were ripping him off to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. Payback's a bitch! To top it off he didn't believe me! That was even a bit more poetic justice since he didn't try to stop it.

Funny how you sometimes don't get to really know someone until you live with them for a while. I lasted almost a year, then divorced him. I don't do well with overly religious people and MONEY was definitely a religion for him.

I prefer free market capitalism to an economy controlled by socialism, communism, fascism or most forms of government that take control of or nationalize private businesses, but our representative republic government is complicit in the ongoing corporate thievery and corruption exemplified by Wall Street. Since our U.S. government is in bed with Wall Street and all mega corporations, I don't think they really want them gone, they just want to control them more completely and get more money from them.

I don't see Wall Street as the cause of most of our problems, just another symptom of rampant corporate and government corruption. It would make more sense to me if the OWS protesters would go to DC and protest against the White House and Congress. It is the corrupt government that has encouraged and participated in the destruction of our economy. I'm sure they will use the OWS protests to their advantage to throw more fear into the Wall Street types. That way they can provide a solution. I shudder to think what it might be! Can we say... New World Order! LOL...

We live in interesting times..

Nancy :)

[GlassSteagallfan]

Using Hitler Methods of Assassination, Obama Kills 3rd US Citizen in 3 Weeks

October 22, 2011 • 9:37AM

On October 14, two weeks after killing U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki and U.S. citizen Samir Khan, the U.S. killed a third U.S. citizen in Yemen with a drone attack, Awlaki's 16-year- old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, along with his 17-year-old cousin and seven other people. The U.S. initially claimed that he was 21 years old and an Al Qaeda fighter, but a birth certificate published by the Washington Post proves that he was born only 16 years ago, in Denver, Colorado.

The boy's grandfather said that Abdulrahman and his cousin were at a barbecue and preparing to eat when the U.S. attacked them by air and ended their lives.

Lyndon LaRouche said that Obama is using Hitler methods, and that this pattern of assassinations poses the question as to whether he is criminally insane.

In a column published at Salon.com entitled "The Killing of Awlaki's 16-year-old son," Glenn Greenwald writes the following:

"So here we have yet again one of the most consequential acts a government can take — killing one of its own citizens, in this case a teenage boy — and the government refuses even to talk about what it did, why it did it, what its justification is, what evidence it possesses, or what principles it has embraced in general for such actions. Indeed, it refuses even to admit it did this, since it refuses even to admit that it has a drone program at all and that it is engaged in military action in Yemen.

"You can offer the ability to citizens to choose from one of the two parties and elect their leaders as much as you want. But 'democracy' is an illusion — a sham — if the most significant acts taken by those leaders are kept concealed from the citizenry. The Obama administration is just off waging a secret war in Yemen, killing its own citizens from the sky, and refusing to account to anyone for what its doing. If you accept that level of secrecy, what don't you accept?... Literally, the U.S. government is just continuously killing people in multiple countries around the world. Who else does that? Nobody — certainly nowhere near on this scale. The U.S. President expressly claims the power to target anyone he wants, anywhere in the world, for death, including his own citizens; he does it in total secrecy and with no oversight; and this power is not just asserted but routinely exercised. The U.S., over and over, eradicates peoples lives by the dozens from the sky, with bombs, with checkpoint shootings, with night raids in far more places and far more frequently than any other nation or group on the planet. Those are just facts."

Source: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/19941

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Related murders:

NATO Hit for Extra-Judicial Killing of Qaddafi

October 22, 2011 • 9:44AM

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov yesterday told three Russian radio stations that it was wrong to kill Muammar Qaddafi. The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (UNHRC) and a growing number of organizations are also calling for a probe into his death.

Qaddafi was captured, and then killed, thursday, after a U.S. Predator drone and NATO aircraft attacked and broke up a convoy of vehicles trying to leave the Libyan city of Sirte. Several of the vehicles were destroyed, killing 50. Qaddafi was captured alive nearby and later executed with a bullet to the head.

Lavrov said that the killing of Qaddafi was a violation of the rules of the Geneva Conventions during armed conflicts. He emphasized twice that "They should not have killed him."

NATO actions preceding the death of former Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi should be scrutinized for their compliance with international law, Lavrov said. Revelation of the role of the Predator would reveal Obama's complicity in creating conditions for the killing of Qaddafi, since all Qaddafi was trying to do was to leave the scene. Information from surveillance supplied by the drone to NATO, and its subsequent attack, prevented Qaddafi from leaving.

The fact that UN Security Council Resolution 1973, based on protecting civilians, was turned into a justification for killing Qaddafi, which was not the intention of Russia and China when they voted for the resolution, is also increasingly coming under public scrutiny.

Russian Envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin today attacked the Western elation over the death of Qaddafi as sadistic.

"The faces of the leaders of world democracies are so happy, as if they remembered how they hanged stray cats in basements in their childhoods," Russian envoy to NATO and the leader of the Congress of Russian Communities, Dmitry Rogozin, wrote in his twitter status on Friday.

On Thursday evening Rogozin told Russian radio Echo of Moscow that NATO was directly involved in the operation to kill the former Libyan leader. "Apparently there were orders that oriented the military servicemen who are in Libya and that directed them to ensure the physical elimination of Gaddafi," Rogozin said.

The official added that Russia must make a conclusion from the existing situation. "We must bear in mind who we are dealing with in the face of Western democracies," Rogozin said.

UNHRC High Commissioner Navi Pillay called for a full investigation of the killing. Her spokesman said that Qaddafi's killing could have been illegal: He said that it is "very clear under international law that summary executions, extra-judicial killings, are illegal."

"We believe there is a need for an investigation," said Rupert Colville, a spokesman for the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights. "More details are needed to ascertain whether he was killed in some form of fighting or was executed after his capture."

"The two cell phone videos that have emerged, one of him alive, and one of him dead, taken together are very disturbing," he told reporters in Geneva.

"You can't just chuck the law out of the window," he added.

"Killing someone outside a judicial procedure, even in countries where there is the death penalty, is outside the rule of law."

Human Rights Watch called for an investigation of the circumstances of Qaddafi's death, because if he was killed while in detention, it would constitute a serious violation of the laws of war.


Source: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/19942

[ktlight]

The act of invading Libya was illegal also and is a serious violation of the laws of war. Which country was Libya invading? So, all of the deaths in Libya are in fact murder, as was/is the case in Iraq and elsewhere.

[Sidney]

It is Sick in every way shape and form. I am ashamed.

[Lord Sidious]

The act of invading Libya was illegal also and is a serious violation of the laws of war. Which country was Libya invading? So, all of the deaths in Libya are in fact murder, as was/is the case in Iraq and elsewhere.

''They'' hanged many men at Nurnberg for the same things they are doing today, namely ''waging agressive war'' as if there is a passive war.
It seems that everywhere we look, there is nuggetry and yet more nuggetry.

[ktlight]

The act of invading Libya was illegal also and is a serious violation of the laws of war. Which country was Libya invading? So, all of the deaths in Libya are in fact murder, as was/is the case in Iraq and elsewhere.

''They'' hanged many men at Nurnberg for the same things they are doing today, namely ''waging agressive war'' as if there is a passive war.
It seems that everywhere we look, there is nuggetry and yet more nuggetry.

If we have reached the pits, then the only way is up.

[nearing]

A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

[ktlight]

A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

Like you I didn't want to come here but, we made agreement before we arrived here and do not remember, but you will.

[nearing]

A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

Like you I didn't want to come here but, we made agreement before we arrived here and do not remember, but you will.

Yes, I am aware of the agreement. I have been looking for the reason for it for over 4 decades. Nothing.

I am getting despondent, because humanity is in downward spiral. The OP just takes the friggin' prize for the lowest of the low.

[GlassSteagallfan]

The act of invading Libya was illegal also and is a serious violation of the laws of war. Which country was Libya invading? So, all of the deaths in Libya are in fact murder, as was/is the case in Iraq and elsewhere.

See my other post: US Judge Ok's Obama Violation of Constitution

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33086-US-Judge-Ok-s-Obamas-Violation-of-Constitution

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A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

But you are here now. You can make a difference!

[Lord Sidious]

A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

Like you I didn't want to come here but, we made agreement before we arrived here and do not remember, but you will.

Yes, I am aware of the agreement. I have been looking for the reason for it for over 4 decades. Nothing.

I am getting despondent, because humanity is in downward spiral. The OP just takes the friggin' prize for the lowest of the low.

I only just figured out why I volunteered, so it isn't too late for any of us.
Hang in there and dig deep to see if you can find your ''reason'' to be here at this time.

[nearing]

[/COLOR]
A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

But you are here now. You can make a difference![/QUOTE]

Oh? If I wasn't incarnated now, my country may be killing 10 yr olds as well as 16 yr olds?

I have heard from many in the New Age movement (including one of my mentors, Dolores Cannon) that many of us are here to just "hold space" for the Light. I believed that for a while. I am not so inclined to anymore. Millions of 'Indigo" children are born everyday and "hold space" and STILL humanity continues to outdo itself in ugliness.

Nope, I don't see how I am or we are making a difference anymore. Perhaps the opportunity past us by.

[nearing]

A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

Like you I didn't want to come here but, we made agreement before we arrived here and do not remember, but you will.

Yes, I am aware of the agreement. I have been looking for the reason for it for over 4 decades. Nothing.

I am getting despondent, because humanity is in downward spiral. The OP just takes the friggin' prize for the lowest of the low.

I only just figured out why I volunteered, so it isn't too late for any of us.
Hang in there and dig deep to see if you can find your ''reason'' to be here at this time.

Thank you Sid, glass, and kt. I appreciate your words of encouragement.

I really get so affected by this kind of news and I do my best to avoid hearing or seeing it (no tv or radio for a decade, never read newspapers) but it sneaks in and when it does, it is always much worse than the time previously. At least when Bush and Cheney, Inc murdered all of those citizens in the Twin Towers they did it like regular murdering liars, they denied and covered up. These drone attacks on citizens and children(!) are not denied, not covered. Very matter of fact. "yeah, we killed a child citizen, what are you going to do about it? We have the SCOTUS in our back pocket, we can do as we please and you and your kids may be next."

This just rings my chimes to the utmost degree.

[Siberia9]

If you think its bad now just wait till they are the ONLY govt on the planet, and are out in the open, just think of the fun they will have then.

[vibrations]

The title of your thread looks like a joke dear Glass if we look at how many young Americans died in all this missions for "peace and democracy", how many innocent people died for it, they are all mass murderers.

[nearing]

[QUOTE=Siberia9;338085]If you think its bad now just wait till they are the ONLY govt on the planet, and are out in the open, just think of the fun they will have then.[/

I know of only one thing that a person could do to stop these evil bastards and because of Karma, I certainly cannot.
I do hope that there are some out there who have the Karmic credit balance to do it. Of course, they would need a huge helping of courage too. Probably not an easy combination to find.

[music]

"The firm…the firm decided to not make the altercation public for fear of reprisal by the mob. No charges. No media reporting on the incident. No consequences to those who attacked the individual."

If one sentence indicates that this is highly suspect, then this is it. Think about it.

[Sidney]

A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

DittoDitto

[Davidallany]

There are methods known to realized Yogies, if applied properly one can depart the host at will.

[mosquito]

A government killing it's own citizens in their backyard with military weapons? This is the height of a war-like species at it's ugliest. And we call ourselves civilized?

I didn't want to be born into this world and I still cannot stand living in it. No wonder I find it hard to get out of bed these days.

Source, please take me home. I do not belong here.

Nearing - I know how you feel, you are not alone !

I don't pretend to know the answer, I don't know whether I'm right or wrong, all I know (and I mean truly know) is that when I feel this same mortification at the way our world is, when I feel the same impotence in the face of what seem to be overwhelming odds, whenever I seek answers, from source, from nature, I always get the same answer - follow your heart.

Be who you are, be true to your real nature. Somehow we have to hope that in some small, unidentifiable way we are making a difference. And if, in the future, there is a cataclysm which wipes out the majority of humanity, people like yourself are the ones we hope will survive. ;)

[KiwiElf]

William (Bill) Cooper warned us of this in the mid-90's before the Clinton Administration had him assassinated.

Go right back to Operation Paperclip/Odessa and even earlier.

It was ALWAYS the Third Reich's intention to take over the world since 1943, when CIA's Allen Dulles (Bavarian Illuminati) cut a deal with General Reinhard Gehlen & NAZI SS Intelligence. This would eventually lead to a massive infiltration of the CIA by NAZI SS agents, who would in turn begin a global program of toppling third world governments and replacing them with their own fascist puppet dictatorships.

Sound and look familiar?

[Lord Sidious]

If you think its bad now just wait till they are the ONLY govt on the planet, and are out in the open, just think of the fun they will have then.

I know of only one thing that a person could do to stop these evil bastards and because of Karma, I certainly cannot.
I do hope that there are some out there who have the Karmic credit balance to do it. Of course, they would need a huge helping of courage too. Probably not an easy combination to find.

What if they are not evil and are merely actors?
What if they are nothing more than the catalyst to bring about change?

[Unified Serenity]

"The firm…the firm decided to not make the altercation public for fear of reprisal by the mob. No charges. No media reporting on the incident. No consequences to those who attacked the individual."

If one sentence indicates that this is highly suspect, then this is it. Think about it.

Yes, it's called democracy, mob rule. If we don't watch it then we might be living in it soon. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

[truthseekerdan]

What if they are not evil and are merely actors?
What if they are nothing more than the catalyst to bring about change?

Evil is a wrong road (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8689-Understanding-is-everything...--&p=331386&viewfull=1#post331386), a mistake, a pain experience, simply a search on the road toward truth -- and since it is not truth it is error -- and since it is error it is illusion. Being illusion, evil dissipates with consummate ease. It is replaced by good with almost miraculous speed. Good can only be replaced by evil when the conception of good is very weak and the conception of evil is very strong, for truth does not lightly yield to error, while error has few defenses against the illumination of truth.

[jagman]

Obama is a very evil man, And It is clear to me, He stands with T P t B ! But he is only mid weigh up on the food chain!

[alxz]

Here.. Refill ur Energy. It helped me. These times are bad, a lot of things going on, both good and evil. at least for me personally I can feel a change inside me, something beautiful I cant explain.
one love!

jVe0mRdjEQg

[jcocks]

Interesting..

I've just read that Obama will be visiting Darwin during his short stay Down Under...

http://www.watoday.com.au/breaking-news-national/obama-adds-darwin-to-his-australia-trip-20111028-1mnyq.html

There's rumours he's going to make a public announcement regarding an increase in the US military prescence in Darwan and Aus...

But I personally wonder if it may also have anything at all to do with Pine Gapp?

[Draco]

nice find , yes i bet pine gap will be visited and to check if everything is prepared for up coming events. An inspection of sorts.

[the trojan]

nice find , yes i bet pine gap will be visited and to check if everything is prepared for up coming events. An inspection of sorts.

what events would that be?
i have been reading about the drill arranged for 8th and 9th november,but this visit to aus is later.
Am I missing something ,I would hate that.

[Draco]

Events the drill is preparing us for, false flag E.T. attacks, Pine Gap has also been involved in the war in Iraq serving as a HQ coordination hub. Now that America is pulling out of Iraq there will be a debriefing at Pine gap to discus whats next , And also we might see a lot more U.S. troops in Australia as they use this country as a way station. And a lot more which is undiscovered and kept hidden.
but events can vary from person to person depends on what you believe, this is just my view on a few things. :rant:

[GlassSteagallfan]

LPACTV's Leandra Bernstien interviews Professor of Law, Francis Boyle on the Impeachment of Barack Obama. (Offers his services free of charge)

Video 34:07 minutes:

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20069

[Lifebringer]

Tell laroach to shove it. There is nothing "illegal." Bush made it All legal with the republican rubberstamping congress and senate.
Want the LAWS changed, repeal them.
In fact let the free lawyer start with citizens united, but then laroach wouldn't be able to launder dope from afghanistan through his front pac.

[Lord Sidious]

Tell laroach to shove it. There is nothing "illegal." Bush made it All legal with the republican rubberstamping congress and senate.
Want the LAWS changed, repeal them.
In fact let the free lawyer start with citizens united, but then laroach wouldn't be able to launder dope from afghanistan through his front pac.

Things may be made legal, but they may still be unlawful.

[GlassSteagallfan]

...but then laroach wouldn't be able to launder dope from afghanistan through his front pac.

The book Dope Inc. is available at larouchepub.com

[ktlight]

Robot aircraft proliferation in killing civilians. Has Obama gone too far?

_iQnK6bY79o

[jackovesk]

YOU CAN LEAD MY FREE WORLD ANY TIME: The G20 pics that reveal a very special relationship

November 04, 2011

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/11/04/1226185/383412-julia-gillard.jpg
President Barack Obama greets Australia's Prime Minister Julia Gillard at the G20 Summit in Cannes.

SHE may be losing friends fast within her own party, but Julia Gillard can still count on a friend who counts - Barack Obama.

The US President made a bee-line for the Prime Minister as world leaders went into the first session of the G20 summit in Cannes.

The two leaders shared a joke and a very warm embrace in the leaders' lounge at the prestigious Festival Palace before heading into the first session of the summit in the southern French resort city.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/11/04/1226185/385276-julia-gillard.jpg
Funny guy: Obama will give Gillard's political standing a boost when he visits Australia this month.

Mr Obama is set to address the Federal Parliament when he makes his first presidential visit to Australia laster this month.

The visit - which has been delayed twice before - will give Ms Gillard a much-needed boost. She is struggling in the polls and media report that members of her own party are moving to oust her.

Mr Obama's visit to Canberra and Darwin coincides with the 60th anniversary of the Australian-United States alliance. He will use his November 17 address to Parliament to reinforce how much America values the alliance.

Mr Obama pulled out of two previously planned visits - once to oversee his health reforms and once to deal with the Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster.

The pair, who are good friends, will also meet in Hawaii for APEC later this month, and the East Asia Summit in Bali.

Ms Gillard received strong backing from G20 leaders for bolstering the resources of the International Monetary Fund to shore up the uncertain global economy.

She said the world was closely watching the deliberations and markets were demanding concrete action on dealing with the sovereign debt crisis and eurozone instability.

A senior government source said that in the closed sessions Ms Gillard was described by other leaders as making a "frank", Aussie-style, intervention during talks on giving the IMF better resources to send a strong message of confidence to markets.

She asked leaders not to talk in platitudes and explain to their nations that beyond the financial and economic jargon what mattered to people was knowing they had a secure job.

Ms Gillard later told reporters she was confident that the G20 would come up with an action plan for Europe, following on from the broad terms agreed by European leaders on October 27, as well as make the IMF more effective.

The plan is expected to be broadly outlined in the final communique to be released on Friday afternoon (Cannes time).

"Getting that plan of action implemented is very important," she said.

"Its details need to be spelled out but more broadly through ensuring there is appropriate IMF resourcing I think the G20 can send a message of confidence and certainty to markets and to mum and dad investors.

"If we don't stabilise the global economy and get it back on the path of growth that will cost jobs and and while Australians live in a strong and resilient economy, because we are not immune from the global economic circumstances, then of course measures to strengthen the global economy mean more Australian jobs."

Ms Gillard has also taken aim at Opposition Leader Tony Abbott who this week used question time, while the prime minister was away, to criticise the government for pledging more support for the IMF.

"We would do that because ultimately global economic stability, global financial stability, using the central institutions like the IMF is about jobs and prosperity in Australia," she said.

She said talks would continue overnight about the right mechanism. "But its very important that its a mechanism that can be brought to fruition quickly and provide resources quickly," she said.

As the Greek Government was poised to face a vote of confidence in its parliament, and the prime minister George Papandreou backed away from a referendum on a bailout, Ms Gillard said Greece would have a more prosperous future by sticking to the eurozone and backing the 130 billion euro bailout plan as it stands.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/julia-gillard-barack-obama-g20-summit-special-relationship/story-e6freooo-1226185248551

PS -

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/may2011/270511feature2.jpg :kiss: http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1289027992350&id=8ebfc06f83d3e94655916a34832b737c&url=http%3a%2f%2fozsoapbox.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2009%2f10%2fjulia-gillars-is-a-witch.jpg

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/obamworkdonesplash.jpg


http://ampedstatus.org/images/obama-racket1.jpg

[jcocks]

Doesn't that just make you SICK?

On the plus side, at least somebody loves her - even if it's just that one person. :) (Though I can't for the life of me figure out what he sees in her!) ;)

[conk]

She looks like an Alien!

[percival tyro]

The reworked mantra for the G20....."New world....New ideas ". C'mon give us a break !.

[vibrations]

Am I delusional or she looks like she would do some JOB for (to) him.

Thank you Jackovesk, very nice presentation of the situation.

[Maia Gabrial]

Yeah, the one picture of her where she has no whites in her eyes is really freaky!

The poster where he's standing in a destroyed area REALLY describes Obama. That should go viral....! Maybe it should make an appearance around 2012 reelection time....

[Seikou-Kishi]

Doesn't that just make you SICK?

On the plus side, at least somebody loves her - even if it's just that one person. :) (Though I can't for the life of me figure out what he sees in her!) ;)

Misery loves company, and apparently so does idiocy

[jackovesk]

Gillard insists boosting IMF funds will aid friends with benefits

November 5, 2011.

PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has defended the decision to offer more Australian money to the International Monetary Fund to bolster European finances and said the opposition had been telling ''falsehoods'' about how it would work.

Speaking at a press conference yesterday at the G20 summit in Cannes, Ms Gillard criticised a question about whether Australia's IMF money would end up being invested in nearly bankrupt Greece.

''That's a complete misunderstanding,'' she said. ''I understand that in Australia the opposition has been peddling some falsehoods about this.''

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/11/04/2752786/art353-kiss-gillard-obama-200x0.jpg

She said the money would be available, and ''if that is drawn down upon, it's a loan, it's an asset on our balance sheets. It's a loan on which interest is paid.''

Australia has currently allocated $6.8 billion as a reserve for IMF needs and Ms Gillard arrived at the summit promising more to help bolster Europe's shaky financial system, which is being rocked by a sovereign debt crisis.

Asked what the IMF promise meant for mum and dad investors, Ms Gillard said they needed to understand that ''It's about jobs. If the global economy doesn't work the way it should, if we don't stabilise it and get it back on a path of growth, then that will cost jobs.''

Ms Gillard was speaking at the end of the first day of the two-day summit.

She had earlier told European leaders frankly in private meetings that markets were not confident they would act, making it important that they did, and encouraged them to explain policies clearly to their constituents back home.

At the press conference she urged Greece, roiling in yet another day of political turmoil, to accept the bailout deal offered by euro leaders: ''Greeks will have more prosperity within the euro zone than outside it.''

She said she was confident the G20 would come up with an action plan for Europe and processes to make the IMF work better.

Senior Australian officials said that at talks earlier in the day, world leaders were frustrated by Greece's latest political upheaval, and united in voicing their concern that a ''firewall'' be created around Greek debt to prevent ''contagion'' to other euro-zone countries.

It is believed that Chinese President Hu Jintao, who is being asked to authorise Chinese investment in the euro bailout fund, expressed no reservations about the proposal and used meetings to help evaluate it.

Publicly, French President Nicolas Sarkozy defended the survival of the single currency as crucial: ''The euro is the heart of Europe and Europe is at the heart of French politics. We cannot accept the explosion of the euro, which would be the explosion of Europe.''

US President Barack Obama told a press conference that the summit's most important task was to solve the European financial crisis.

''Here at the G20 we're going to have to flesh out more of the details about how the plan will be fully and decisively implemented. And we also discussed the situation in Greece and how we can work to resolve that situation as well.''

Leaders are expected to confirm changes laid out by Ms Gillard including ''segmenting'' Doha talks so that agreement can be reached on issues on which there is consensus.

Members are expected to agree to keep current trade protections until 2013.

Mr Obama will visit Canberra and Darwin this month. The euro zone plan was to be outlined in the summit's final communique overnight.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/gillard-insists-boosting-imf-funds-will-aid-friends-with-benefits-20111104-1n04y.html

PS - The NWO Global MAFIA Speaks..!

[jackovesk]

JuLIAR Gillard meets Bill Gates, clinches 2014 Summit..!

November 05, 2011

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Prime Minister Julia Gillard briefly met with Microsoft founder and philanthopist Bill Gates, who addressed the G20 on a plan to find better ways to raise money to feed the world's poorest people.


Australia to host and set agenda for G20 summit
Summit fails to agree on future direction of Europe
PM holds meeting with Microsoft founder Bill Gates

WORLD leaders have asked Australia to host the G20 leaders summit in 2014, as plans to get Europe back on track failed but progress was made on global trade and jobs.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who will get to set the summit agenda, said she would consult with the state premiers on who would host the event.

"Hosting the G20 will allow Australia to set and shape the international agenda on issues of fundamental importance to our national interest, including the health of the global economy, financial regulation, trade, jobs and clean energy," she said.

While the final communique spelled out plans for a jobs task force, stronger powers for the bank watchdog, financial sector reform and a way forward for the stalled Doha trade round, the leaders failed to agree on the future direction for Europe.

With European finance ministers due to meet next week, the only successes being claimed were convincing Greece to back down from a referendum on its bailout and Italy agreeing to get its budget back into surplus in 2012 and provide regular reports on its efforts to stave off a crisis.

G20 finance ministers, including Treasurer Wayne Swan, are set to meet as early as December to flesh out the details of how much the International Monetary Fund's resources will be bolstered.

Australia and China are among a number of countries to pledge extra resources for the IMF, while steering clear of the European Financial Stability Facility set up to stop the spread of the debt crisis.

The IMF is likely to put in place a new short-term credit line to help countries facing economic shocks that they can't immediately handle.

The extent of the global problem was shown in figures released by the Reserve Bank, which forecast GDP growth of 3.25 per cent for 2011/12, rather than the four per cent it had predicted in August, while for 2012/13 it forecasts GDP of 3.25 per cent rather than 3.75 per cent.

The Greek situation dominated much of the talks, with Greek politicians preparing to vote on a motion of confidence in the government of Prime Minister George Papandreou around midnight Athens time (9am AEDT).

The governing Socialists have a slim two-seat majority in the 300-member legislature, and at least one MP has publicly threatened to vote against the government.

Ms Gillard said the best way forward for Greece is to swing behind the efforts of G20 leaders who want the nation to succeed, and not see its debt problems infect the rest of the global economy.

The leaders backed a plan being driven by Australia to set a road map for trade as the Doha round comes to a halt.

The round will be broken into more achievable pieces, with the first of these - in terms of Australia's focus - being reforming trade facilitation, such as fishing subsidies, and helping low-income countries.

Ms Gillard said the action plan on jobs and growth is the first time that G20 nations have committed to a united effort to tackle the issue.

Every country's actions will be monitored and a report provided to the summit in Mexico in 2012.

Before she left France, the Prime Minister briefly met with Microsoft founder and philanthopist Bill Gates, who addressed the G20 on a plan to find better ways to raise money to feed the world's poorest people.

Russia will host the G20 in 2013 and Turkey in 2015.

The issue of climate change was discussed, with the leaders calling for the Cancun agreements to be implemented, including the Green Climate Fund, and handing the G20 finance ministers the job of finding innovative ways to fund climate action.

Key measures out of the G20 summit in Cannes:

- Taskforce on employment to report to Mexico G20 in 2012.

- Commitment to economic, growth, financial stability, social inclusion.

- Monetary system to better reflect increasing weight of emerging market economies.

- Action plan on managing capital flows.

- International Monetary Fund to operate a short-term liquidity line and asked to develop an emergency facility for dealing with natural disasters.

- Support for social protection floors in developing nations.

- Red tape costs cut for migrant workers sending money back to their home countries.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/australia-to-host-g20-summit-in-2014/story-e6frg2qc-1226186414188

PS - Lies, Lies, Lies & More Lies from the NWO Globalist Mafia, now where gonna support Bill Gates funding of 'Genocide and Sterilization' worldwide through his "Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation..!

[jorr lundstrom]

Am I delusional or she looks like she would do some JOB for (to) him.

Thank you Jackovesk, very nice presentation of the situation.

Do you think they have an oral room at that meeting?

[mosquito]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone so seemingly devoid of soul. What the hell does she have behind those eyes ?

[Seikou-Kishi]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone so seemingly devoid of soul. What the hell does she have behind those eyes ?

Ah, Mariposafe, you already know the answer: nothing ;-)

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Prime Minister Julia Gillard briefly met with Microsoft founder and philanthopist Bill Gates, who addressed the G20 on a plan to find better ways to raise money to feed the world's poorest people.

This is the same Bill Gates who recommends a war of attrition on the people of poorer countries by the use of sterilising vaccinations... Surely God was with them on that meeting. Foul, wretched, loathsome little worm that he is (Bill Gates, that is, not God lol)

[Maia Gabrial]

From that picture of them almost kissing, there should be one REALLY PISSED OFF Michelle Obama fuming off to the side! Both of these people have no sense....Gillard will get her a** kicked now... No telling what Michelle will do HIM.... :becky:

[Muzz]

More and more now when I look at these people, I see fear in thier faces. Even when they are smiling.

[vibrations]

Am I delusional or she looks like she would do some JOB for (to) him.

Thank you Jackovesk, very nice presentation of the situation.

Do you think they have an oral room at that meeting?

I am pretty sure. And maybe some digital and anal-log systems.

[Maia Gabrial]

More and more now when I look at these people, I see fear in thier faces. Even when they are smiling.

I'm thinking that psychologists and body language experts would read these phonies easily. And I agree with you, the bigger the smile, the more they're lying, all for show.... I think we have them on the run...!

And IMO they have every reason to fear because they're going to be incarcerated soon enough. It doesn't matter how superior they think they are, they can go to prison just as easily as anyone else. Only if it were up to me, it WOULDN'T be Club Fed for them either...!

[andrei]

G20 looks a lot like a travelling circus to be honest. Was watching on TV and it made me sick, red carpets and useless clowns pretending they`re helping humanity.

[jackovesk]

Was Wall Street Insider Right? – Solyndra To Be Obama’s Downfall?

November 5, 2011

News reports are now circulating of the Obama administration’s refusal to comply with Congressional request for documents related to failed Solyndra loan program that resulted in the loss of a half billion of taxpayer dollars.

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1109/solyndra-scandal-solar-scandal-politics-1316025816.jpg

Not gonna do it – so says the Obama White House in a tersely worded reply to a request from Congress for all Solyndra documents, including internal emails and memos from within the Obama West Wing:


“I can only conclude that your decision to issue a subpoena, authorized by a party-line vote, was driven more by partisan politics than a legitimate effort to conduct a responsible investigation.”
So says President Obama legal counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler in a letter sent to top Republicans on the House Energy and Commerce committee. Historically, when an administration takes such an aggressive stance in relation to a Congressional document request, it is often an indication of smoke and possibly fire regarding potential political scandal of significant proportions.

So while Fast and Furious scandal now looms over the Obama administration, it appears the Solyndra scandal, which saw a half billion dollars of taxpayer dollars going to a failing company propped up in part by significant Obama political donors, may indeed prove to be the more significant challenge to the Obama White House.

Here are the words of our own Wall Street Insider on Solyndra spoken during an interview last month:


I don’t agree with that though. Fast and Furious is a serious offense to be sure. What has been revealed – to this point only partially, by the Solyndra scandal, is far more serious, not only to this administration but to the entire Democratic Party. Many of them have their hands in the corruption that was the Obama Stimulus Bill of 2009. Solyndra is but one small example of how that money was spent. The dealings that took place under the false guise of saving the economy.

It is my personal understanding – and this is the talk of others in positions of some influence, that Solyndra – what Solyndra could ultimately reveal, could prove far more damaging to the entire political system…and certainly to the Democratic Party.

Wall Street Insider: October, 2011

Wall Street Insider – Obama 2012 Re-Election Not An Option

http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/11/05/was-wall-street-insider-right-solyndra-to-be-obamas-downfall/3

PS -

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/8ZD31W5qdeW9PMdDSac1qg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yOTc7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2011-11-04T091105Z_01_RSS03_RTRIDSP_3_G20.jpg

..................THE NEXT NIXON..?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Dont know what to make of this!!

Barack Obama traveled to Mars

By Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd

Two former participants in the CIA’s Mars visitation program of the early 1980’s have confirmed that U.S. President Barack H. Obama was enrolled in their Mars training class in 1980 and was among the young Americans from the program who they later encountered on the Martian surface after reaching Mars via “jump room.”

Andrew D. Basiago, 50, a lawyer in Washington State who served in DARPA’s time travel program Project Pegasus in the 1970’s, and fellow chrononaut William B. Stillings, 44, who was tapped by the Mars program for his technical genius, have publicly confirmed that Obama was enrolled in their Mars training class in 1980 and that each later encountered Obama during visits to rudimentary U.S. facilities on Mars that took place from 1981 to 1983.

Their astonishing revelations provide a new dimension to the controversy surrounding President Obama’s background and pose the possibility that it is an elaborate ruse to conceal Obama’s participation as a young man in the U.S. secret space program.

Mars training class held for future Mars visitors

According to Mr. Basiago and Mr. Stillings, in Summer 1980 they attended a three-week factual seminar about Mars to prepare them for trips that were then later taken to Mars via teleportation. The course was taught by remote viewing pioneer Major Ed Dames, who was then serving as a scientific and technical intelligence officer for the U.S. Army. It was held at The College of the Siskiyous, a small college near Mt. Shasta in California.

They state that ten teenagers were enrolled in the Mars training program. In addition to Basiago and Stillings, two of the eight other teenagers in Major Dames’ class that they can identify today were Barack Obama, who was then using the name “Barry Soetoro,” and Regina Dugan, who Mr. Obama appointed the 19th director and first female director of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 2009.

As many as seven parents of the ten students, all with ties to the CIA, audited the class. They included Raymond F. Basiago, an engineer for The Ralph M. Parsons Company who was the chief technical liaison between Parsons and the CIA on Tesla-based teleportation; Thomas Stillings, an operations analyst for the Lockheed Corporation who had served with the Office of Naval Intelligence; and Mr. Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, who carried out assignments for the CIA in Kenya and Indonesia.

From 1981 to 1983, the young attendees then went on to teleport to Mars via a “jump room” located in a building occupied by Hughes Aircraft at 999 N. Sepulveda Boulevard in El Segundo, California, adjacent to the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX).

Obama identified as having visited Mars at least twice

Mr. Basiago and Mr. Stillings have each issued public statements confirming that they both attended Mars training with Mr. Obama and later encountered him on Mars during separate visits.

On August 21, 2011, Mr. Basiago stated: "Something highly significant has happened, and that is that two individuals from the same Mars training class in 1980 (Basiago and Stillings) have met and are comparing experiences and are able to corroborate not only that they were on the surface of Mars together but that before reaching Mars via jump room they were trained with a group of teenagers that included the current President of the United States (Obama) and director of DARPA (Dugan)."

Mr. Stillings’ statement, released at the same time, read: "I can confirm that Andrew D. Basiago and Barack Obama (then using the name "Barry Soetoro") were in my Mars training course in Summer 1980 and that during the time period 1981 to 1983, I encountered Andy, Courtney M. Hunt of the CIA, and other Americans on the surface of Mars after reaching Mars via the "jump room" in El Segundo, California.”

In a statement made Sept 20, 2011, Mr. Basiago confirmed Mr. Obama’s co-participation in the 1980 Mars training class, stating: “Barry Soetoro, a student at Occidental College, was in my Mars training class under Major Ed Dames at The College of the Siskiyous in Weed, California in 1980. That fact has been corroborated by one of my other classmates, Brett Stillings. Two years later, when he was taller, thinner, more mature, a better listener, using the name ‘Barack Obama,’ and attending a different college, Columbia University, we crossed paths again in Los Angeles and I didn't recognize him as the person that I had been trained with in the Mars program and encountered on the surface of Mars. In fact, doing so would have been virtually impossible in any case, because measures had been taken to block our later memories of Mars shortly after we completed our training in 1980.”

Mr. Basiago states that during one of his trips to Mars via “jump room” that took place from 1981 to 1983, he was sitting on a wall beneath an arching roof that covered one of the “jump room” facilities as he watched Mr. Obama walk back to the jump room from across the Martian terrain. When Mr. Obama walked past him and Mr. Basiago acknowledged him, Mr. Obama stated, with some sense of fatalism: “Now we’re here!”

Mr. Stillings states that during one of his visits to Mars, he walked out of the “jump room” facility and encountered Mr. Obama standing beside the facility by himself staring vacantly into a ravine located adjacent to the facility.

Mr. Basiago thinks that it is virtually certain that Ms. Dugan also went to Mars, because he once encountered her at the building in El Segundo where the “jump room” to Mars was located as he was entering the building to jump to Mars and she was exiting it. “I know you!” she said, greeting him as she passed him in the lobby of the building.

Strangers in a Strange Land

Basiago, Obama, Stillings, and Dugan went to Mars at a time when the U.S. presence on Mars was only just beginning but many had already gone.

Mr. Basiago states that in the early 1980’s, when they went, the U.S. facilities on Mars were rudimentary and resembled the construction phase of a rural mining project. While there was some infrastructure supporting the jump rooms on Mars, there were no base-like buildings like the U.S. base on Mars first revealed publicly by Command Sgt. Major Robert Dean at the European Exopolitics Summit in Barcelona, Spain in 2009.

The primitive conditions that they encountered on Mars might explain the high level of danger involved. Mr. Basiago and Mr. Stillings agree that Major Dames stated during their training class at The College of the Siskiyous in 1980: “Of the 97,000 individuals that we have thus far sent to Mars, only 7,000 have survived there after five years.”

In light of these risks, prior to going to Mars, Mr. Basiago received additional training from Mr. Hunt. Hunt, a career CIA officer, showed Mr. Basiago how to operate the respiration device that he would wear only during his first jump to Mars in July 1981, provided him with a weapon to protect himself on Mars, and took him to the Lockheed facility in Burbank, California for training in avoiding predators on the Martian surface.

When they then first teleported to Mars in Summer 1981, the young Mars visitors confronted the situation that Major Dames had covered at length during the class the previous summer – that one of their principal concerns on Mars would be to avoid being devoured by one of the predator species on the Martian surface, some of which they would be able to evade, and some of which were impossible to evade if encountered.

The Mars program was launched, Basiago and Stillings were told, to establish a defense regime protecting the Earth from threats from space and, by sending civilians, to establish a legal basis for the U.S. to assert a claim of territorial sovereignty over Mars. In furtherance of these goals and the expectation that human beings from Earth would begin visiting Mars in greater numbers, their mission was to acclimate Martian humanoids and animals to their presence or, as Major Dames stated during their training near Mt. Shasta in 1980: “Simply put, your task is to be seen and not eaten.”

It is not known whether NASA-JPL, which is located in Pasadena, California, had a hand in selecting the young people for their dangerous interplanetary mission to Mars, but it is conspicuous that all four had Pasadena, California connections.

Mr. Basiago was the son of an engineer for The Ralph M. Parsons Company, which is headquartered in Pasadena. Mr. Stillings was residing in La Canada, California, which is a suburb of Pasadena. Mr. Obama had just completed a year of undergraduate studies at Occidental College in Eagle Rock, California, near Pasadena. Ms. Dugan was attending the California Institute of Technology, which is located in Pasadena.

1980: U.S. secret Mars teleportation program and rudimentary facilities on Mars

The firsthand, eyewitness testimony of Mr. Basiago and Mr. Stillings as to the existence of a secret U.S. presence on Mars that is made possible by a revolutionary “jump room” technology that has been concealed from the public is congruent with similar accounts given by three other Mars whistle blowers:

(1) Former U.S. serviceman Michael Relfe, who spent 20 years as a member of the permanent security staff of a U.S. facility on Mars;

(2) Former Department of Defense (DoD) scientist Arthur Neumann, who has testified publicly that he teleported to a U.S. facility on Mars for DoD project meetings; and

(3) Laura Magdalene Eisenhower, great-granddaughter of U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who in 2007 refused a covert attempt to recruit her into what was described to her as a secret U.S. colony on Mars.

Mars researchers, including physicist David Wilcock, estimate that as a result of the “jump room” technology that Relfe, Basiago, Neumann, and Stillings have described, the U.S. colony on Mars that Eisenhower was invited to join might number 500,000 individuals.

Secret U.S. presence on Mars and Obama’s Mars connection airs on Coast to Coast AM on Thursday

Public revelation of Mr. Obama’s secret Mars connection will continue with a special broadcast on talk radio’s Coast to Coast AM this Thursday, November 10, 2011.

Mars visitors Andrew D. Basiago and William B. Stillings will be appearing with Mars whistle blower Laura M. Eisenhower in an historic broadcast.

This will be the first time that a mainstream media program will interview two Mars visitors on the same show and in a joint appearance with an individual invited to join the secret U.S. colony on the Red Planet.

Special Program:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/11/10

With multiple whistle blowers coming forward and corroborating each others’ testimony, it now seems inevitable that both the cover-up of the U.S. presence on Mars and Mr. Obama’s personal involvement in it will soon become matters of great public interest.


Recommended reading

U.S. secret Mars program

http://bit.ly/l5nNof

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/mars-visitors-basiago-and-stillings-confirm-barack-obama-traveled-to-mars

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viking

[Mike Gorman]

It would be nice to have irrefutable evidence of this, the Jump room technology, the alleged colony.
As it is, we have interesting statements, you must admit, it is a big ask to accept this stuff-there is an almost
implied "you must be asleep, ultra-conservative plain out of touch" if you do not just accept....
I want more.

[Wiremu2011]

It's been video documented of Obama telling an audience that contrary to popular belief that he was born in a Manger, when in fact he was actually born on "Krypton" ..... mmmm ;)

[learninglight]

TY Viking

Very interesting and i dont need more.. life is everywhere and our PTB have been up to what they do for agesss and agesssss
looking forward to listening if i can in uk

much love

[araucaria]

Mars researchers, including physicist David Wilcock, ...
viking

For the record, DW is not a physicist. This is not a put-down, on the contrary, the idea is to defuse the dismissive criticism that he is no scientist – he is an encyclopedist on scientific matters relating to his research into consciousness, and that should be quite enough.

[KosmicKat]

The primitive conditions that they encountered on Mars might explain the high level of danger involved. Mr. Basiago and Mr. Stillings agree that Major Dames stated during their training class at The College of the Siskiyous in 1980: “Of the 97,000 individuals that we have thus far sent to Mars, only 7,000 have survived there after five years.”

To get some perspective on the scale of the losses, the British Army lost 60,000 men on the first day of the Battle of the Somme (July 1st 1916). Even if the Mars losses were not all trained military, that also represents a substantial loss of investment in equipment and training.

[spiritguide]

Massive disinfo or the circle is closing...one or the other but one exciting ride. I will be listening for sure at .... www.coasttocoastam.com

[LisAlien]

Andrew D. Basiago has been in the circuit for a while now. Why is it he's just now saying this?
I don't believe this at all.
Also what I find interesting is, as far as I know, Andrew D. Basiago, has never been seen in public/person. By us. An audience. I won't even go into how he sounds very similar to Wilcock.
If someone had dirt like this on a prominent figure like the POTUS, I would highly suspect and expect them to be rubbed out. Either physically or mentally (memory).

[Eagle]

Ask yourself one question when reading this information "For What Purpose"

[Agape]

I cover my head forwards to soften the impact of stones ( and asteroids ) falling on my head after what I would like to say ..

perhaps I shouldn't ..

I've been ( inconspiciously ) fired on that topic several times by some friends in the alternative community couple of times ...

The 'Mars saga' and 'jumprooms to Mars' are the topic yes. Who knows who ever started it, not Andrew Bassiago, or Alfred Weber , not even 'Boriska the boy from Mars',

the believe in 'Martians' is much older , kind of complemetary to human intelligence in past who had no technical means and tools to reach other planets in this very solar system and thought there might be life out there.

The planet has been visited countless times in past, it's still 'being visited' but tell me...do you really think that intelligent , advanced life in the Universe chooses such inhostile environments such as the one on Mars, unless there's no other option ..


It's sort of game I suppose, trivia fanatics, people putting all efforts to some kind of hobby with endless possibilities of outcome ..

As you can see , anything, anyone can be claimed to the 'project' , can be included, to support the conspiracy . It's a reality game where nothing can ever be proved or disproved because it stands o shoulders of few very intelligent and politically annoyed people ,
who sat most of their lives behind their safe desktops and run their agendas from the very same place .


Those 'screen memories' of these people ...is something that you can fabulate from deep inside, yes you can.
I've done 'past lives regressions' with my meditation students , many years back. I'd never compromise what all I've heard and it's strictly everyones private affair.
I worked with these people ..because they were interested in inner work, spiritual work, finding the path..they wanted assistance,
not because I'd claim that such memories or experiences are important .

I have no doubt that people like A. Bassiago or Miss Eisenhower are gifted , well educated individuals who are set on their life mission of 'self discovery'
but I have some serious doubts about motivations and honesty of their testimony.


From what I know and can say ...we don't have any such 'jump room' technologies , even among very advanced e.t. technologies ..it simply does not look and work 'that way' .

If someone's feeling offended, please go to bathroom and throw a fit..

But I suspect this is big 'cointelpro' agenda in itself , attracting attention to hoaxes , deception, to divert public attention from realistic ET intervention, data and encounters .


It just became too easy to work out over some 60 plus years, with several 'programmed' individuals on all continents, popping out with almost the same story ..
as if they never heard of each other ? I can assure you they probably did ..




:bigfish:

[Agape]

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-denies-contact-alien-life-204606420.html

White House Denies Any Contact with Alien Life


Strike one more blow against UFO conspiracy theories. The U.S. government is not in contact with any extraterrestrials from other worlds, nor has any confirmed proof of alien life been found, White House officials say.

"The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race," Phil Larson of the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy wrote in a statement published Friday (Nov. 4). "In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye."

The message came in response to two petitions posted on the White House's "We the People" site, which allows the public to air grievances through petitions. In this case, one asked the government to "formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race," while another requested that the Obama administration "immediately disclose the government's knowledge of and communications with extraterrestrial beings."

As of Monday (Nov. 7), the first petition has garnered 12,078 signatures, while the second has 5,387. The White House has promised to respond to any petition that gains a certain number of signatures within a given time — in this case, the requirement was 5,000 signatures.

"If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response," according to the "We the People" site.








I think...unless you are prompted to deal with these issues in REAL life, you are free to believe just anything ..
and imagine things are fitting to your beliefs or not .

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Viking ironically I have put up the latest two Andrew Basiago interviews up on the 'DARPA & CIA Jumproom to mars thread' which I put up yesteday
and he gives loads of info and names prominent members of the government being involved and possibly have been to Mars....including a young
Barry Soetoro and Regina Duggan as you have said.....I have listened to nearly all his interviews and his story has stayed consistent though more explicit
as his remembers more and has been able to compare notes with Brett Stilling another child chrononaught......
He is a practacing attourney very inteligent and articulate and seems a charming man....

The question I postulated. Is he mind controlled to muddy the waters and make us look silly if we take him seriously and then they produce some evidence to discredit him ??

Is he some sort of fantacist who wants some sort of notariaty in the UFO world ??

Or is he genuine and disclosing the most amasing story in ufology ??

No one who has interviewed him to my knowledge has said Andrew is a fraud, as he comes over sincere and there is no way of proving it either way unless more whistleblowers come forward....
Henry Deacon said he had been to Mars and I think Dan Burisch acknowledged the jump rooms.. As I said on my thread I'm surprised more researchers have not tried to pin him down and ask questions ??

LisAlien....He is very real and seems a very genuine man.....but he is claiming a hell of a lot !! you can see him live on this link...

http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2009/09/andrew-basiago-conversation.html

Cheers Steve

[Adam Greenland]

Henry Deacon said he had been to Mars and I think Dan Brish acknowledged the jump rooms.. As I said on my thread I'm surpriced more researchers have not tried to pin him down and ask questions ??



I don't know much about Deacon/Neumann, but Burisch never seemed very credible in my opinion.

[Cidersomerset]

Difficult to say again Burisch seems he is controlled again,after the Zurich conference where he became paranoid and thought Bill and Kerry were out to get him or something !!!!

But Michael Shratt has been working with Dan lately and as far as I know Bill and Kerry still think the info Dan originally divulged about looking glass etc

could be credible.....Henry again as far as I know is still a credible witness although back along somebody was trying to discredit him....

Another question is if we have a space fleet as most on here, I presume would think possible. Bases on other planets could be viable and serviced

with or without jump rooms....These may have come from an alternate source of some kind!!

I know as I'm writing this it sounds like Sci-fi , but we are here looking for answers so until definately proved a hoax , we have to go with it ..imho...Steve

[araucaria]

Difficult to say again Burisch seems he is controlled again,after the Zurich conference where he became paranoid and thought Bill and Kerry were out to get him or something !!!!

But Michael Shratt has been working with Dan lately and as far as I know Bill and Kerry still think the info Dan originally divulged about looking glass etc

could be credible.....Henry again as far as I know is still a credible witness although back along somebody was trying to discredit him....

Another question is if we have a space fleet as most on here, I presume would think possible. Bases on other planets could be viable and serviced

with or without jump rooms....These may have come from an alternate source of some kind!!

I know as I'm writing this it sounds like Sci-fi , but we are here looking for answers so until definately proved a hoax , we have to go with it ..imho...Steve

Just thanked this post, Cidersomerset, to bring your thanked ratio closer to pi ;)

You don't have to 'go with' anything that might turn out to be a hoax, just sit with it maybe?

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks araucaria .......What I should have said is until it is proved untrue, we should just go with the flow and see what happens, and follow his interviews more closely...

because as he said as a boy his father who was in the project had travelled to the future and brought back Andrews disclosure paper so TPTB know he is disclosing..

So if anything is to come of this I pressume it must be soon, and thats why he is stepping up the pace with his allagations about Barry & Regina going to Mars.????? Steve..

[Fundy Gemini]

I have no idea WHAT to think anymore.

I can say that these are exactly the types of stories that go a long way to make the whole field of study seem delusional, but I guess that's why it's wonderful to come to this type of forum where the information can be put out there, and we at least have open minds enough to consider it one way or another.

[jackovesk]

Destination Mars w/ guest: Andrew D. Basiago – 10/29/11

October 30, 2011 by truthfrequency

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Andy.jpg


This week we are joined once again by planetary whistle blower Andrew D. Basiago to discuss life on Mars, secret teleportation technology and why the government should disclose the fact they have sent nearly 97,000 humans to Mars in the past 30 years.

Andrew D. Basiago, J.D., M.C.R.P. (Dist), M.Phil. (Cantab), 49, the founder and president of MARS and team leader of Project Pegasus, is a lawyer, writer, scholar, and 21st century visionary.

Andy is an emerging figure in the Truth Movement leading a campaign to lobby the US government to disclose such controversial truths as the fact that Mars harbors life and that the US has achieved “quantum access” to past and future events.

He has been identified as a “planetary-level whistle blower” by the Web Bot, which analyzes the content of the World Wide Web to predict future trends.Andy’s writings place him at the forefront of contemporary Mars anomaly research. His paper The Discovery of Life on Mars, published in 2008, was the first work to prove that Mars is an inhabited planet.

After publishing this landmark paper, Andy founded the Mars Anomaly Research Society (MARS), which continues to make breathtaking discoveries of life forms and ancient artifacts on Mars.Andy is also one of America’s early time-space explorers. More information can be found at Project Pegasus and Project Mars

MP3 Below...

:director: http://truthfrequencyradio.com/podcasts/truthfrequency.10.29.11_32k.mp3

Enjoy...

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Jackovesk thats the interview I put up on my DARPA thread which is running parrallel to this one, thats why I did not post it here..LOL...

It doesn't matter you were not to know...Steve..

[Chrononaut]

Destination Mars w/ guest: Andrew D. Basiago – 10/29/11

October 30, 2011 by truthfrequency

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Andy.jpg


This week we are joined once again by planetary whistle blower Andrew D. Basiago to discuss life on Mars, secret teleportation technology and why the government should disclose the fact they have sent nearly 97,000 humans to Mars in the past 30 years.

Andrew D. Basiago, J.D., M.C.R.P. (Dist), M.Phil. (Cantab), 49, the founder and president of MARS and team leader of Project Pegasus, is a lawyer, writer, scholar, and 21st century visionary.

Andy is an emerging figure in the Truth Movement leading a campaign to lobby the US government to disclose such controversial truths as the fact that Mars harbors life and that the US has achieved “quantum access” to past and future events.

He has been identified as a “planetary-level whistle blower” by the Web Bot, which analyzes the content of the World Wide Web to predict future trends.Andy’s writings place him at the forefront of contemporary Mars anomaly research. His paper The Discovery of Life on Mars, published in 2008, was the first work to prove that Mars is an inhabited planet.

After publishing this landmark paper, Andy founded the Mars Anomaly Research Society (MARS), which continues to make breathtaking discoveries of life forms and ancient artifacts on Mars.Andy is also one of America’s early time-space explorers. More information can be found at Project Pegasus and Project Mars

MP3 Below...

:director: http://truthfrequencyradio.com/podcasts/truthfrequency.10.29.11_32k.mp3

Enjoy...

I just watch it, amazing story!

[christian]

I just found this article on the "Order of Melchizedek" site with this very sensitive analysis of the reptilian brain, if you are interested.

http://www.orderofmelchizedek.com/thereptilianbrain.htm

[Draco]

cool find , that fact that he said reptilian and not reptile part of the brain makes me think he knows a few things , But if he really believes in looking inwards to make changes to our own biases and over coming that " Reptilian" part we might see him on the right path , or he could be saying it to win popularity and seem like the good guy.

[WhiteFeather]

He did say Reptillian Brain Didn't He. Obviously he must be of the reptillian nature.

[Flash]

Oh please guys, give me a brake.

The reptilian brain is the primitive part of the brain that all bipedes and 4 pedes animals including human share. It is responsible for the survival autonomous nervous system. It directs your breathing, your blood pressure, the release of certain hormones, the heart, etc etc. Without it, no survival. It is also in part responsible for fright and the flight or fight instinct.

Obama is just mentioning what everyone who has done grade 11 in science already knows. We have the reptilian brain, the limbic brain (where most emotions are arising from), the neocortex brain (your maths, if you did not like them with passion, are in those areas, mainly the frontal lobes).

Why reptilian? Because it has been the first one to develop in animals on the planet, re: the dinosaures, and we share it with crocodiles. Empathy is not part of it, empathy is part of the second primitive brain, the limbic system.

Reptilian brain is the correct scientific term, not reptile brain.

I bet most of you knew this. Just an story to make around Obama right?

[jorr lundstrom]

cool find , that fact that he said reptilian and not reptile part of the brain makes me think he knows a few things , But if he really believes in looking inwards to make changes to our own biases and over coming that " Reptilian" part we might see him on the right path , or he could be saying it to win popularity and seem like the good guy.

Well, everyone is born with a part of the brain called the reptilian brain, its just

the way we are constructed. Its all about fight and flight. We can learn to kind of

bypassing it. LOL

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/09-08047.jpg

[Dawn]

There is nothing strange at all about this video clip. He is correct, we have 4 distinct lobes in our brain and each one has specific nerves fibers which are part of the Vegas nerve in our spine. One of the lobes is known as the reptilian brain, and all humans have one. It is absolutely identical with the brain in reptiles and dinosaurs. It is responsible for flight and fight responses and for controlling automatic body systems like the heart beat, lungs, and so on.

His statement is not odd in any way. It simply demonstrates the understanding scientists have about how our brain is constructed.

[Seikou-Kishi]

The reptilian part of our brain is an established fact, as Flash said. I don't see in this some confession of having been taken over by a 12 foot reptile, all I see is an acknowledgement that people — all people — have within them a reactionary mindset that separates things into "familiar and safe" and "unfamiliar and potentially dangerous". That part of our brains, evolutionarily, was necessary for our survival (and I always think of it as linked to the muladhara or base chakra, because it's area of influence is the same: security, safety, resource-management, etc.) but of course we've evolved to have conscious control of our behaviour, so we no longer have the excuse "he was different, his difference unnerved me, I killed him".

I've never been a fan of Obama's; I think there are issues of qualification he never cleared up (and if he could have cleared them up, I cannot see why he wouldn't have done) and I think he rode into office on the colour of his skin and not the merits of his policies, but what he said here is not new, shocking or tantamount to a confession in my eyes. I agree with him.


I mean, let's look at what the reptilian brain 'covers'. It covers issues of dominance and aggression, of territoriality and a division of the world into what is 'us' and what is 'them'. These themes can be found time and time again in the words of racists of all stripes. Take the white supremacists who cling to the '14 words': "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children."

I'll say that again: We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.

Racism has its roots in this part of the brain and shows itself as issues of security, continuation and propagation (think of where only the dominant male breeds and so passes on his DNA to a second generation — "White Children"). Racists and anybody else with a tribalistic, 'us-vs-them' attitude are thinking from their reptilian brain and letting it dominate their reasoning faculties (like the mammalian parts of the brain that urge the development of a community spirit). Surely such people are those who are possessed of reptiles?

Incidentally, have you ever noticed that racist groups rarely survive very long before they splinter off into subgroups (who naturally bitterly hate each other)? The reptilian side of their nature, which compels them to be territorial and tribalistic also precludes from them an ability to co-operate and live together.


I'm glad Obama said this. Actually, it's given me a bit of hope for the man.

[Syl]

Thank you Flash, thank you Seikou, we need more of you guys on avalon..

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you Flash, thank you Seikou, we need more of you guys on avalon..

Maybye they could be cloned. LOL

[Lord Sidious]

Thank you Flash, thank you Seikou, we need more of you guys on avalon..

Maybye they could be cloned. LOL

We should get you cloned.
That way, when someone wants to insert lead into you, we just roll out another one. :p

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you Flash, thank you Seikou, we need more of you guys on avalon..

Maybye they could be cloned. LOL

We should get you cloned.
That way, when someone wants to insert lead into you, we just roll out another one. :p

Exellent idea, though I prefere to be semipermeable in that respect. LOL:focus:

[Ethereal Blue Being]

I dont think their is anything odd about him mentioning the reptilian brain either.. Perhaps he is well read in the writings/books of Dr Joseph Chilton -Pearce but I must admit that if you look closely when he says reptilian Barbara Walters looks like she is going to have a cow.. even in her profile she is taken aback.Jorr thanks for this find

[seko]

Hello there friends,

Probably our Australian friends would like to share their opinions on this matter which seems very important and may be not only for them, but for southeast Asia as well.
It looks that it might help to get an invasion to China in the near future??


THE US will have a permanent new military presence in Australia by rotating marines through a base in Darwin, US President Barack Obama is set to announce.

The plan to build a multi-million dollar "pre-positioning base" was first revealed by the NT News last month.

Mr Obama will make the announcement with Prime Minister Julia Gillard when they visit Darwin next Thursday during his first visit to Australia as President, Fairfax reports.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-to-have-new-darwin-military-presence/story-e6frfku0-1226192027713#ixzz1dMirXUMs

[GlassSteagallfan]

This video link is posted on the IAEA thread, but may be revelant here: 6:10 minutes (mentions China)

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20269

[Draco]

hopeful their base doesn't pain a target on us for the Terrorist or make other super powers wonder about USA intentions. Hopeful the Australian Government don't go to gaga on this and forget about the bigger picture.

[Lord Sidious]

hopeful their base doesn't pain a target on us for the Terrorist or make other super powers wonder about USA intentions. Hopeful the Australian Government don't go to gaga on this and forget about the bigger picture.

Too late for all of the above.
We joined the modern crusades, too late to worry about not attracting attention.

[Draco]

dam i was to hopeful lol , what now, do we tear it down or retreat to the hill and become a pest to there plans.

[Healthy Skeptic]

hopeful their base doesn't pain a target on us for the Terrorist or make other super powers wonder about USA intentions. Hopeful the Australian Government don't go to gaga on this and forget about the bigger picture.

FAR TOO LATE for the above.
We already have PINE GAP!!
Probably the 'Most Important' (infamous) Base outside of the US.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Le Canard Enchaîné: Obama Delivered 55 Bunker Busters to Israel in September

November 10, 2011 • 10:55AM

Claude Angeli, the editor-in-chief of the French semi-official leak sheet Le Canard Enchaîné, having exposed in its Oct. 26 issue, that Obama had ordered the killing of Libya's Muammar Qaddafi, today drops another bombshell.

While Obama has officially stated that he is against an attack on the Iranian nuclear sites, "the President is not always consistent," writes Angeli.

"French intelligence services have discovered that in September, 55 American bunker buster bombs, capable of destroying underground military installations, were discreetly delivered to Israel. These wonders of explosive technology, which weigh 1 ton each, have the particularity that they can penetrate and set fire to armored concrete bunkers. Clearly, their only use to the Israeli Air Force is in case of a conflict with Teheran.

"By giving Tel Aviv the means to act, Obama wanted to prove he remains a good ally, again in contradiction [with his stated policy], without giving any green light or backing for a strike on Iran."

(An article in Newsweek released at the end of September reported that Obama had approved and released these bombs in 2009, a move which had previously been rejected by the Bush administration. See b1396ews003.)

Le Canard then lists various voices opposing any strike, notably Meir Dagan, the former head of the Israel's foreign intelligence agency, Mossad, who said that bombing Iran was "the most stupid idea" he'd ever heard of. The article concludes quoting an unnamed former French military official who warns that "we should not exclude an Israeli option of the 'Dr. Strangelove' type."

Source: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20258

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Russia Will Oppose New Iran Sanctions to be Put Forward By U.S., Britain, and France

November 10, 2011 • 9:00AM

Russia Will Oppose New Iran Sanctions to be Put Forward By U.S., Britain, and France, Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told Interfax: "Any additional sanctions against Iran would be perceived by the international community as an instrument for regime change in Tehran." Gatilov said Russia finds new sanctions unacceptable and "does not intend to consider such proposals."

Source: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20255

[jackovesk]

US Marine base for Darwin

November 11, 2011.

EXCLUSIVE

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"I think this is a very signficant and potentially risky move for Australia" ...

BARACK OBAMA is to announce that the US will begin rotating Marines through an Australian base in Darwin in a permanent new military presence, intensifying the alliance in a sign of heightened concern about China.

He is scheduled to make the announcement with the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, when they visit Darwin next Thursday during Mr Obama's first visit to Australia as president. The 26-hour visit will mark the 60th anniversary of the ANZUS alliance.

The Marines are the chief US ground combat force in the Pacific theatre, the so-called ''Tip of the Spear''.

Two-thirds of all US Marines are based in the Pacific, with big concentrations at US bases on Okinawa Island in Japan and Guam, a US territory 2000 kilometres north of Papua New Guinea.

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Obama ... is scheduled to make the announcement with Julia Gillard when they visit Darwin next week.

''This is all about the rise of China, the modernisation of the People's Liberation Army and, particularly, it's about the increased vulnerability of US forces in Japan and Guam to the new generation of Chinese missiles,'' said (Alan Dupont), the Michael Hintze professor of international security at Sydney University.

''The new Chinese missiles could threaten them in a way they've never been able to before, so the US is starting to reposition them to make them less vulnerable. Australia's 'tyranny of distance' is now a distinct strategic advantage.''

(Professor Dupont), a former Australian Defence official and intelligence analyst, said the ''Australian strategic rationale is that we are also hedging against increasing Chinese military power and their capacity to destabilise maritime trade routes. And we want to get closer to the US.

''There's no doubt at all the Chinese will have serious reservations about this''

Mr Obama and Ms Gillard are not expected to argue that China is a factor in the decision. ''This is a strong gesture that even in the face of budget constraints, the US reaction to the winding down of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan deployment is not to go home but to pivot'' into the Asia-Pacific, according to the former deputy secretary of state in the Obama administration, Jim Steinberg.

But Hugh White, a professor of strategic studies at the Australian National University and a former deputy secretary of defence, said the decision would have deep consequences for Australia's relations with China.

''I think this is a very significant and potentially very risky move for Australia. In the view from Beijing, everything the US is doing in the western Pacific is designed to bolster resistance to the Chinese challenge to US primacy.

''In Washington and in Beijing, this will be seen as Australia aligning itself with an American strategy to contain China.''

Mr Obama and Ms Gillard are to say the US will not build a new base for the Marines but will use the Robertson Barracks, the Australian base near Darwin.

But the base is home to about 4500 Australian soldiers and has capacity for only a couple of hundred more. The facilities will need to be expanded to accommodate the US Marines on rotation, whose numbers are expected to build.

Such a decision has been under consideration for some years. The Marines are to use the base for training. ''They want to be able to fly helicopters, drop out of planes and shoot at things, and you can't do that in crowded Okinawa,'' in the words of Mike Green, a former top Asia adviser in the George W. Bush administration.

The Greens oppose any expansion of the US military presence in Australia. By using an existing Australian base rather than building a new US one, the Pentagon considers the new presence will be more ''politically sustainable''.

The then US defence secretary, Robert Gates, said last November in Melbourne: ''We don't want to do things that would be politically difficult for the Australian government. We want to enhance the alliance, not create controversy.''

http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-marine-base-for-darwin-20111110-1n9lk.html

OK here goes...

From article 'above'...


''This is all about the rise of China, the modernisation of the People's Liberation Army and, particularly, it's about the increased vulnerability of US forces in Japan and Guam to the new generation of Chinese missiles,'' said (Alan Dupont), the Michael Hintze professor of international security at Sydney University.

(Professor Alan Dupont) - Senior Fellow for International Security at the (Lowy Institute) for International Policy..!

http://www.lowyinstitute.org/images/Logo-LowyInstitute.gif

1. The 'Lowy Institute' International (Think Tank)

Founded by none other than Zionist & Westfield's Frank Lowy..!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1364653446352&id=fec34d0052c5e50fa342d9262b496d7d&url=http%3a%2f%2fvoluntarysociety.org%2fconditioning%2fconspiracy%2f911%2fconspirators%2fimages%2ffr anklowy.jpg..."BEST MATE" & "PARTNER IN CRIME"...http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1291872253506&id=210ff6b2909f22983c647ff7525384ab&url=http%3a%2f%2fimg151.imageshack.us%2fimg151%2f3593%2fsvrstn253.jpg


Who else leased the WTC only seven weeks before 9/11?

Frank Lowy - another Ashkenazi millionaire. Lowy was the owner of Westfield America. In May 2001, Westfield paid $127 million US dollars for a 99-year lease on the retail area beneath the World Trade Center in New York. Lowy stayed out of harms way on 9/11 and steered clear of the WTC. During the Israeli war of independence, Lowy was a member of the Golani Brigade.

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news7_Terrorists.html

(Golani Brigade)..?

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Golani Tree, the Brigade's symbol

The Golani Brigade (Hebrew: חֲטִיבַת גּוֹלָנִי‎‎, also known as the 1st Brigade) is an Israeli infantry brigade that is subordinated to the 36th Division and traditionally associated with the Northern Command. Its symbol is a green tree on a yellow background, and its soldiers wear a brown beret. It is one of the most highly decorated infantry units in the Israel Defense Forces. The brigade consists of five battalions, including two which it kept from its inception (12th and 13th), one transferred from Givati (51st), and two special forces battalions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golani_Brigade


Who purchased the lease to the World Trade Center (WTC) only seven weeks before 9/11?

Larry Silverstein - an Ashkenazi Zionist millionaire. When asked why he purchased the towers, he answered, "I felt a compelling urge to own them." Every morning, Larry routinely had breakfast at the popular WTC restaurant called "Windows on the World" .... but on 9/11, he never showed up. Neither did his daughter who worked in building 7 of the World Trade Center. "Windows on the World" was completely destroyed in the 9/11 attacks.

Who is (Professor Alan Dupont)..?

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Professor Alan Dupont

Non-Resident/Senior Fellow

Professor Alan Dupont is the foundation Michael Hintze Chair of International Security, the Director of the Centre for International Security Studies at the University of Sydney and a non-resident Senior Fellow at the Lowy Institute for International Policy. He holds a PhD in International Relations from the Australian National University and is a graduate of the Royal Military College, Duntroon, and the US Foreign Service Institute. He has worked on Australian defence and Asian security issues for more than thirty years as a strategist, diplomat, policy analyst and scholar. Professor Dupont was Senior Fellow for International Security at the Lowy Institute for International Policy, a Sydney based think tank, a Senior Fellow at the Australian National University's Strategic and Defence Studies Centre and the acting CEO of the University of Sydney's United States Studies Centre. During his time in government he served in the Departments of Defence and Foreign Affairs and Trade which included postings with the Australian embassies in Seoul and Jakarta, the latter as Counsellor. He has also worked as a freelance journalist in South America.

Professor Dupont has published widely on Australian defence and international security issues including a major book entitled 'East Asia Imperilled: Transnational Challenges to Security (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2001) which has become a standard text on non-military security threats to East Asia's stability. His academic publications include more than 60 scholarly articles, book chapters and monographs on Australian defence and national security, force modernisation, intelligence, Asian values, ASEAN, Japanese and Indonesian security policy, East Timor, and the security implications of illegal migration, transnational crime, environmental security, disease pandemics, food and water scarcity, energy instability and climate change. He was the lead author on the national security implications of climate change for the 2008 Garnaut Review on Climate Change, prepared for the Federal and State Governments.

Professor Dupont has been a regular contributor to several leading international and Australian newspapers including the International Herald Tribune, Australian Financial Review and The Australian where he wrote a regular column on foreign policy and defence for several years. He frequently comments on defence and security issues for the electronic media, especially CNN, CNBC Asia, the BBC, Voice of America, Reuters, Al Jazeera and Phoenix and has been interviewed for most Asian dailies as well as leading newspapers in the US and Europe including the New York Times, Washington Post, Financial Times, Le Monde, The Wall Street Journal and The Economist.

Professor Dupont is a member of the International Advisory Board of CQS, a leading European hedge fund, and an Australian representative to the Asean Regional Forum's Register of Experts and Eminent Persons. He is also a member of the Board of Management of the Army's Land Warfare Studies Centre, the Australian Committee to the Council for Security Cooperation in the Asia Pacific and the International Institute for Strategic Studies. Professor Dupont previously served as a special advisor on foreign policy and national security to East Timor's President, Jose Ramos Horta, and was a member of the Foreign Affairs Council (an advisory body to the Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade); the Australian Defence Minister's Defence and National Security Advisory Council; and the Council of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

http://www.lowyinstitute.org/StaffBio.asp?pid=951

WTF..Look at 'Who' he (Alan Dupont) really Represents..!


Senior Fellow for International Security at the (Lowy Institute) for International Policy
Professor Alan Dupont is the foundation Michael Hintze Chair of International Security
Director of the Centre for International Security Studies at the University of Sydney
Graduate of the Royal Military College, Duntroon, and the US Foreign Service Institute
Senior Fellow at the Australian National University's Strategic
Defence Studies Centre and the acting CEO of the University of Sydney's United States Studies Centre
Departments of Defence and Foreign Affairs and Trade which included postings with the Australian embassies in Seoul and Jakarta
Professor Dupont is a member of the International Advisory Board of CQS, a leading European hedge fund
Australian representative to the Asean Regional Forum's Register of Experts and Eminent Persons
Member of the Board of Management of the Army's Land Warfare Studies Centre
Member of the Board of International Institute for Strategic Studies
Member of the Foreign Affairs Council (an advisory body to the Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade)
Member of Australian Defence Minister's Defence and National Security Advisory Council
Member of Council of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute


He was the lead author on the national security implications of climate change for the 2008 Garnaut Review on Climate Change, prepared for the Federal and State Governments.


He frequently comments on defence and security issues for the electronic media, especially CNN, CNBC Asia, the BBC, Voice of America, Reuters, Al Jazeera and Phoenix and has been interviewed for most Asian dailies as well as leading newspapers in the US and Europe including the New York Times, Washington Post, Financial Times, Le Monde, The Wall Street Journal and The Economist.

PS - You don't have to be a 'Rocket Scientist' to understand this is more about the NWO Globalists 'One World Govt.' long term AGENDA using Australia as the "Tip Of the Spear" in 'Defense' of the (Asia-Pacific Union)..!

The Corrupt NWO Globalist 'Israel Zionists' - 'US Govt' - 'Aust. (Fabian Societies) Labor Govt. have joined forces irrespective of what the Australian Public thinks are (Shoring-Up) their plans for the 2012 introduction of a 'One World Govt. & Currency' in 2012..!


The Marines are the chief US ground combat force in the Pacific theatre, the so-called ''Tip of the Spear''

"Tip of The Spear" - "Two massive armies clash! Time to go to war against the Covenant."


A covenant is a solemn agreement to engage in or refrain from a specified action. It is commonly found in religious contexts, where it refers to sacred agreements between a god and human beings.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Covenant

On top of that, is Prof. Allan DuPont (Surname), related to one of the (Illuminati 13 Families) DuPont (Family)..?


The DuPont Bloodline.

There has been no consistency among the Du Pont family members in the spelling they have employed to write their name. The correct variations in spelling the Du Pont name are as follows: Dupont, DuPont, du Pont, duPont, Du Pont, and du Pont de Nemours. In English the second syllable is accented. In French, neither syllable is accented. The name has tended to be spelled du Pont for the family and Du Pont for business. I decided for this article to standardize the spelling in line with this tendency.

A DYNASTY OF SATANIC ROYALTY

Sitting down to write about the du Pont.s reminded me of two other families. Recently, John Coleman, a researcher on the elite, commented to me that when he had researched the Queen of Denmark he had discovered that the royal danish family was slipping away secretly from everyone and they were going to Satanic rituals. It is also noteworthy that 5 modern kings of Denmark have been the leaders of Freemasonry in Denmark, and the Danish royal family, princes etc. have been active Masons. John Dale wrote a book The Prince and The Paranormal which goes into the secret occult activities of the British royal family, especially Prince Charles, but also many other royal family members too. Besides the secret occult activities of the British Monarch, they have been openly leaders of Freemasonry ( see the Appendix of Be Wise As Serpents for a detailed chart on this.) The du Ponts are similar to these families in that they too are a dynasty, they too have a very public image, and they too have a totally hidden life. In fact, the du Ponts have better control over the press’s coverage of them than the British Royal Family.

http://nwomirror.tripod.com/13bloodlines.html

That's just about all I can muster at the moment...

Not being a Military Expert - I would welcome any elaboration on the 'above'...(Fire away) 'Lord Sidious'..?

[Healthy Skeptic]

Regarding jackovesk's post above,
It this really due to the threat of Chinese 'Missiles' or really due to the Chinese 'Economic Power' threat against the US???

[jcocks]

Desperate last ditch effort to bring in the NWO. Fun to watch nevertheless... Just don't give in to the fearporn they're going to feed us.

You think this is strange - you haven't seen NOTHING yet. And it's going to be HILARIOUS watching them try to put the spin on what is to come our way in the next year or so... Luckily I'm all stocked up with popcorn :popcorn:

I wish them well. I hope they've brought spf 15000+ sunscreen :cool: They're like VAMPIRES - they can't stand the *LIGHT* :cool:

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Regarding jackovesk's post above:
It this really due to the threat of Chinese 'Missiles' or really due to the Chinese 'Economic Power' threat against the US???

Or do they just want us to *BELIEVE* it has something to do with China when it has *NOTHING* to do with China *WHATSOEVER*???

[Healthy Skeptic]

Maybe they need another Port to transfer people to from the USA, other than South America, if "things go 'belly up'"?
Also, Australia is close to Antarctica.........whatever that means!

[jcocks]

No US base for Darwin :

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/11574680/no-us-base-for-darwin-smith/

Well worth a read. I especially love this line :


“There are no United States bases in Australia and no proposal for such bases,” Mr Smith said in a statement.

I wonder is Stephen could keep a straight face while telling us that porkie? Somehow I doubt it, though lying must be second nature to most politicians..

In any case, I'm sure there's HEAPS of space for special forces in Pine Gapp if America had a sudden need for them there - and we'd wonder where the hell they came from when we saw them topside for the first time.

My guess is that events will move far too fast for there to be time for the yanks to set up an official base over here anyway, when the **** hits the fan.....

[Healthy Skeptic]

“There are no United States bases in Australia and no proposal for such bases,” Mr Smith said in a statement.

Oh jeeees!!! I am such an idiot!! PINE GAP is only a 'joint' US and Australian 'Communications Facility' not a 'Base'.
I 'apologise' for my ignorance. How could I possibly think that this 'facility' would have 'any' Military Significance.:confused:
Funny, PINE GAP has been 'targeted' by the Soviets for 'Nuclear First Strike' since it's inception in the 60's!:mad2:
(I mean this post with 'EXTREME SARCASM')

[Davidallany]

hopeful their base doesn't pain a target on us for the Terrorist or make other super powers wonder about USA intentions. Hopeful the Australian Government don't go to gaga on this and forget about the bigger picture.

The USA is the terrorist. Do you still believe there is a war against terrorism?

[Healthy Skeptic]

hopeful their base doesn't pain a target on us for the Terrorist or make other super powers wonder about USA intentions. Hopeful the Australian Government don't go to gaga on this and forget about the bigger picture.

The USA is the terrorist. Do you still believe there is a war against terrorism?

That depends on who one defines as 'The Terrorist'.

[Davidallany]

That depends on who one defines as 'The Terrorist'.

Everyday you learn something new. Thank you very much.

[seko]

hopeful their base doesn't pain a target on us for the Terrorist or make other super powers wonder about USA intentions. Hopeful the Australian Government don't go to gaga on this and forget about the bigger picture.

The USA is the terrorist. Do you still believe there is a war against terrorism?

Both countries are run by the wrong people and we are paying for it.

[Snowbird]

You know, it is difficult to comment on something like this issue because it is so utterly disgusting.

[Davidallany]

Both countries are run by the wrong people and we are paying for it.
This is a very accurate statement, seko. All governments are incompetent organizations, whether they terrorize their own citizens, neighbouring countries, or neighboring continents. Personally, my loyalty is to the heart wherever it maybe. I am not bound by countries, blood ties, nationalities, skin colour and cultural clubs, not even by humanity or Sol group, nor by Silver River and her neighbors.

[jcocks]

We live on a planet run by puppets...But who is the puppeteer? And who (or more to the point perhaps, WHAT) is pulling his/her strings?

[jackovesk]

Is Obama the secret son of Malcolm X..?

Posted by Israel Insider...

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If Barack Hussein Obama II is Malcolm X's biological son and ideological heir, it would uniquely explain the mystery of why he was so generously helped by so many Arab and communist "friends in high places" long before he was a "somebody."

Malcolm ensured his secret son would learn the ways of Islam, of revolution, tutored by the finest socialist ideologues of his time, and the future, funded by Saudi and Syrian financiers. He would be groomed for leadership, educated and trained to organize the community called the United States of America.

Morph of Barack O to Malcolm X courtesy Polarik.

In August I received a curious email. As a magazine that covers international politics, with a focus on Mideast affairs, Israel Insider gets more from its fair share of baseless tips and phony rumors. I ignore most and delete them unread. This one was a bit different. It came from a national security lawyer with extensive credentials and intelligence connections that checked out, and a phone number.

Israel Insider had been running a series of articles exploring the vagaries of Barack Obama's birth, and his concealed documentation, and this was the jumping off point of the email, which confirmed the claim that Obama was not born in Hawaii, that "Mossad are going with Mombasa" but "Proving Mombasa is not so easy, as NSIS in Nairobi are clamming up tight, as are MI6 in London, who have the original Mombasa file and full details of the birth."

He said that "Disproving Honolulu is child's play. You've already shown that the birth certificate put forward by Obama (whose people privately are not denying Mombasa, by the way) is a fake. Why fake it? If he was born in Honolulu he could obtain a genuine one. Hawaii Dept of Health would hardly denounce a potential presidential candidate's birth certificate as fraudulent without cross-checking birth records for August 1961. No birth was registered in the name of Obama in Honolulu in August 1961."

(This last detail may explain why Hawaiian officials last Friday confirmed that a birth certificate does indeed exist but conspicuously refused to release any details or even confirm that the details conform to those on the computer-generated Certification of Live Birth. The name on the "original" certificate may in fact not be Obama nor the birthplace Honolulu. But Obama's recent visit "to his grandmother" may well have had less to do with her health than eliciting this vague and inconclusive statement from the Hawaiian Health Department.)

The source continues: "There is no evidence Ann Dunham had even met Obama Senior in or around November 1960, the alleged time of conception, indeed it is not even clear Obama was in Honolulu at that time, although he may have been. Ann Dunham was only 17 and although she might have been in Honolulu the timing is tight." "More to the point, she was in neither of the medical centers put forward by the Obama campaign (question: why do they not know in which hospital he was born?) on August 4th, nor are there medical records to back up the claimed birth, nor has an attending physician been named. I've heard of births with the father absent, births with the mother absent a bit trickier."

"There are said to be photos of Ann Dunham on Waikiki Beach taken in or about July 1961, when she is supposed to have been in her third trimester, in a bikini, taken by a fellow female student. AD is clearly not pregnant. Media have not yet talked to fellow students, but it can't be long. There are bound to be other photos of AD in existence taken during the alleged 2nd and 3rd trimesters. Obama campaign are terrified some one will press for her medical records, which have been accessed by CIA."

"Moving to Indonesia the Obama campaign are also suppressing the Indonesian immigration and passport records, which I believe show him as a Kenyan citizen, and the naturalisation records. They have not denied Internet claims he was naturalised in Indonesia. If he was a US citizen there should be a visa record to back that up."

"Obama Senior was murdered in Kenya in 1982 to silence him. Interesting story re his sister Auma as well -- she appears to be a full sister, not a half-sister as he is claiming, i.e. they share the same mother. She was ordered back to Kenya in 2007 to prevent DNA testing .... CIA did a DNA test on the grandparents, using saliva from glasses, which conclusively rules out any relationship between Obama and the Dunhams."

"The source said that the Dunham family became involved because Stanley Dunham, Sr. was suspected of espionage. Boeing, he said, has "a 1944 security file on Stanley Dunham in connection with suspected sabotage of B-17G aircraft at their Wichita Kansas plant and the theft of B-29 blueprints, a full set of which were passed to the German Abwehr via Lisbon by June 1944. Ann Dunham appears to have been chosen as the surrogate mother in 1963 because of the family connection to German Intelligence. German assets in the US, including Rezko, who is connected to the Syrian Mukhabarat and the German DVD, sponsored his career.

"Effectively," the source concludes, "Obama is a German sleeper agent."

Well, this is a lot to take in, and on first reading it struck me that the source had been reading too many Le Carre novels or Bond movies. I mean, really: "The Manchurian Candidate" meets "The Boy from Mombassa"?

It seemed completely preposterous, and indeed I initially dismissed it as preposterous. Obama a "German sleeper agent"? Of course, in those days the East Germans were a Soviet satellite, and the DDR was perhaps the most feared and ideological of the communist states, with more than a sprinkling of rehabilitated Nazis uncured of their genetic fantasies and experiments. 1961-1963 were the peak years of the Cold War, with Berlin playing a central role in East-West hostilities.

But what made no sense to me was why anyone in the spy business, or anyone in East Germany for that matter, would give a damn to find a foster parent for a newborn illegitimate offspring of mixed black-white parentage. What made him so special that the Syrians and the German would go to all the trouble or see some potential value in protecting and grooming him? What could possibly make intelligence agencies cultivate from infancy a sleeper agent?

The source didn't answer this, nor could I, over the succeeding months of the campaign. We exchanged a few more emails, but the nagging question of "why" anyone would bother with this baby would not leave me. What did come out in the ensuing weeks, however, was a litany of unexplained facts in Obama's youthful history, of help from strangers in high places all along the way, benefactors who had either Arab-Muslim or Communist-Socialist connections. There was his Islamic education in Indonesia, the fact that he learned the Koran not in Indonesian but in Arabic. There was the fact that in Hawaii the boy was tutored in the ways of revolution by leading black activists, Muslim activists, and Communist activists. Influential black nationalist and Communist Frank Marshall Davis would become a huge influence in the young Obama's life.

There was his journey to the third-world, to Pakistan and East Africa, after his first year at Columbia. But things really got strange with the revelation that Khalid al-Mansour, close adviser to a Saudi billionaire and the Saudi royal family, was instrumental in helping Obama get into Harvard Law School (and reportedly Columbia before that), financing his education and advancement.

It was al-Mansour who asked Percy Sutton, a prominent black lawyer active in the civil rights movement and defending radicals in the 1950s and 1960s, to help Obama get into Harvard. In the interview with a New York news station (see video at left), Sutton described al-Mansour as "the principal adviser to one of the world's richest men. He told me about Obama and asked him to "write a letter in support of Obama's application to Harvard Law School, Sutton recalled. “"And his introduction was there is a young man that has applied to Harvard. I know that you have a few friends up there because you used to go up there to speak. Would you please write a letter in support of him?" Sutton obliged:“"I wrote a letter of support of him to my friends at Harvard, saying to them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I certainly hoped they would treat him kindly."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug&feature=player_embedded

How in the world would Percy Sutton know that Obama, a young man he had never met, was a "genius"? Why would he say that he met all of the qualifications to be president of the law review, even before he was admitted to the school? One possible clue: It turns out that Sutton was among the lawyers for Malcolm X.


And why would a big wheel like al-Mansour take such an interest in a self-admitted drug-taking party boy ("I inhaled," he joked. "That was the whole point" he joked on the campaign trail) from a second-rate college? While helping Obama get into Harvard, the Muslim form Texas was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family, Saudi billionaires Abdul Aziz and Khalid al-Ibrahim, and Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, nephew if King Abdallah of Saudi Arabia. So there was, early on, a direct connection between Obama and Saudi royalty and an aggressive effort by a Saudi agent to make Obama's way in the world.

It was this connection to Saudi wealth that has led to Obama being dubbed the "Mansourian candidate".

Then there were the revelations about Weather Underground co-founder Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadette Dohrn -- unrepentant terrorists and communists both -- who helped launch Obama's political career from their home. Ayers, indeed, may well have ghost-written Obama's memoir Dreams from my Father, creating the impression that Obama was also skilled in writing as well as "community organizing."


More substantially, there was Antoin "Tony" Rezko, the Syrian born real estate wheeler-dealer and convicted racketeer, who helped Obama raise his first campaign funds and assisted him financially, and even facilitated his home purchases.


There were influential Palestinian scholars and propagandists Rashid Khalidi and Edward Said, colleagues and personal friends of Obama, despite his unconvincing efforts to distance himself from them and squelch his praise for their anti-Israel ideologies.

There was Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Obama's spiritual mentor, who conducted his marriage, baptized their children, and gave Obama's campaign manifesto "Audacity of Hope" its title before being distanced (at least for the duration of the campaign) when their close twenty year relationship came to light.

And, of course, there is neighbor Louis Farrakhan, current leader of the Nation of Islam, who recently spoke of Obama as the "Messiah" and as Ken Timmerman confirms, enjoys an "open channel" of communication with him.


Why did all of these important scholars and ideologues, fundraiser and networkers, these millionaires and billionaires – especially from the Arab and Islamic world, and extreme socialist and communist party activists -- reach out to help this unknown, undereducated young man, many before Obama was anybody of known importance? Was it just that he was tall and handsome and bright, with a silver tongue?

Or was there some other factor – a genetic factor, a secret legacy of heredity -- that mysteriously opened the doors and wallets and elicited the kindness of strangers?

Last week, a long and rambling post attributed to one Rudy Schultz was made to the Atlas Shrugs blog of Pamela Geller. The starting point for the post was revelation of school records that show that the supposed mother of Barack Obama enrolled in the University of Washington just a few weeks after her son was purportedly born in Hawaii. But the intention of the poster was apparently to imply that Obama's father was unlikely to have been Barack Hussein Obama, Senior (photo below).

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The post provides photos and a video of Malcolm X, with a notation that he and Obama had the same height (6'2-6'-3") and striking physical resemblances: identical hairline, jawline, and other distinctive facial features, similarities not shared by Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. or other members of the Luo tribe bloodline.

The post noted striking similarities in speaking cadence and style, not to mention a bright flashing smile and a wry sense of humor. The man born in Nebraska as Malcolm Little also was a light shade of brown, the product of a mother from Grenada who, he said, "looked like a white woman" and a black father.

http://octaman.com/comments/xo/8x.jpghttp://octaman.com/comments/xo/8o.jpg

See more striking similarities from insider Octaman here (http://octaman.com/comments/MalcolmO.html).


The post also traced the path of Malcolm X in the late 1950's and early 1960's, a journey that took him to Africa and the young leadership circle to which Barack Hussein Obama Sr. also belonged, including the activist Tom Mboya who was behind the program which airlifted, with US funding, young African leaders to Hawaii to study at the university, a cohort to which Obama senior belonged.

But Schultz concludes his post by pulling his punches a bit: "While Malcolm X may not be Obama’s biological father, Malcolm X is demonstrably Barack Hussein Obama’s philosophical father, and the lineage is undeniable! Obama Jr. was sired in the social soup stirred by Malcolm X."

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While Schultz backed away from claiming that Obama's biological father may in fact be Malcolm X, the hereditary claim cannot be discounted. If he was indeed the illegitimate offspring of Malcolm – the closest that one can get to "royalty" in the messianic broth of black radical Islamic and Communistic politics – that would explain the otherwise inexplicable:

why this "illegitimate" baby, and later this young man – a druggie and underachiever -- would have had paved for him the royal road to privilege and power, paid for his Ivy League education, got him jobs and a home, raised millions of dollars for his political career, got him selected to address the DNC in 2004, got him into the senate in 2006, and led him straight to where he is today, just two years hence, on the verge of the US presidency, powered by hundreds of millions of untraceable overseas contributions.

In the minds of the leftist and Islamic leaders, he is the heir to the throne of "freedom fighters", the revolutionary prodigal son – heir to legacy of black powers and black Islam -- come home to rule.

Nothing short of a DNA test is going to prove who Obama Jr.'s father really is, or, indeed who is real mother is, or is not. His long-suppressed birth certificate, which he wrote about possessing in Dreams from my Father and which Hawaii now admits is on file, could help solve the mystery.

No one to my knowledge has explored the possibility that Stanley Ann may not be the birth-mother. That would explain the lack of hospital records in Honolulu and the fact that no one can remember seeing her pregnant. Suddenly she just appeared in Washington state with a little baby boy.

There is, too, a curious comment that Stanley Ann Dunham reportedly made after high school, remembered by a friend, that "I don't need to get married or date to have a baby." And the fact that in June 1960 her family – who were reportedly highly sympathetic with left-wing causes -- suddenly left Washington state for Hawaii, where they continued to be involved with socialist-communist causes and personalities, such as Frank Marshall Davis (identified by Obama only as "Frank" in Obama's Dreams from my Father), who proved so influential in his upbringing.

There is also new information, published in Atlas Shrugs and confirmed elsewhere, from the University of Hawaii that she was only enrolled only in the fall of 1960, and that from the Fall of 1961 (weeks after Barack Jr. was reportedly born) and through the following spring, she was enrolled at the University of Washington.

There is the fact that she abandoned this baby on repeated occasions, and the fact that Obama returned the favored when he refused to visit her as she sickened and died. If she was merely his foster mother, then she was just a means to an end, to be discarded when she had outlived her usefulness.

If Barack Hussein Obama II is Malcolm X's biological son and ideological heir, it would uniquely explain the mystery of why he was so generously helped by so many Arab and communist "friends in high places" long before he was a "somebody."

Malcolm ensured his secret son would learn the ways of Islam, of revolution, tutored by the finest socialist ideologues of his time, and the future, funded by Saudi and Syrian financiers. He would be groomed for leadership, educated and trained to organize the community called the United States of America.

Malcolm broke with Elijah Muhammad in large measure because the then-leader of the Nation of Islam had conducted illicit affairs and sired illegitimate children. If Malcolm himself had sired a boy, it is not something he would have wanted to advertise, or to bring along with him in his hectic and dangerous revolutionary path. But he may well have arranged to give the boy a first-class upbringing and education, free from the burden of his own violent legacy, his history as a convicted felon, his likely fate as a martyr, to realize the legacy he never could. He knew he was "a walking dead man," marked for death -- how could he perpetuate his principles beyond the grave?


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Malcolm X was marginalized even from the black leadership after he said, following the assassination of John F. Kennedy, that the "chickens had come home to roost." That term would be resurrected by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, much to Obama's chagrin, in a sermon discussing the reasons for the Islamic attacks on the United States, reasons that Obama echoed in his own post-9/11 statements, in somewhat less inflammatory terms.

Malcolm himself was assassinated in 1965, reportedly by agents from the Nation of Islam.

If indeed Obama is not just Malcolm's spiritual son but his biological one as well, it would represent the realization of a lifelong preparation to seize power, not by guns but by genes, and the genius of Obama's handlers, mentors and assistants along the way who prepared his path to power.

According to this scenario, the sleeper agent is now wide awake, although it is also conceivable that Obama himself may not be fully aware of the role he was programmed to play. Nor is it clear who has supplanted his initial handlers -- which my source identified as East German and Syrian -- although the Saudis and their allies, including those within the US government and not just the Democratic side of the aisle, clearly seem implicated with pulling some of the strings and pouring some of the huge funding that has brought him to where he is today.

Those who have helped him reach to the threshold of power -- some knowingly and some "useful idiots" -- have been working in concert to fulfill the revolutionary goals of Malcolm's by putting his boy in power, using the system to destroy the system. Early voting. ACORN. Untraceable online funds. Brilliant. But that, of course, is just the means to the end.

Barack Obama wrote, in Dreams from My Father, of the huge impact this black revolutionary hero's memoir had on him, as none others did: “Only Malcolm X's autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me." Self-creation indeed.

If Malcolm X secretly sired Barack Obama, then the title Dreams from My Father would indeed take on a whole new meaning, with Obama Sr. revealed as a kind of paternal proxy, a stand-in for a revolutionary of a higher spiritual and political order whose identity the self-creating son could never reveal if his own ambitions, and his real father's ambitions for him, were to be realized.


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In 1964, the year before his death, Malcolm gave an address, "Ballots or Bullets" (audio available here) in which he urged African Americans to turn away from violence and create revolutionary change through the US electoral system.

If the O is in fact an X, and wins the red, white and blue tic-tac-toe on Tuesday to become the President and Command in Chief of the United States then, truly, America's chickens will have come home to roost.

Red States may soon take on a whole new meaning.

http://israelinsider.net/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of

PS - One thing I do know for sure, is that 'NOBODY' knows 'WHO' Obama is..! Or, Where he comes from..!

Except the PuppetMasters 'FACELESS MEN' who 'Groomed Him' into 'Power' in the 1st place..!

[Eric J (Viking)]

Obama continues to travel giving speeches planning for his next election. He still has not consented and allowed any of the payments to patriotic Americans, which will get this country and the world economies back on track.

The Obamas on Wednesday, November 9th, 2011, were hand delivered the document below by high level government officials. It contains an IRS Report regarding the misappropriated funds. We want all readers to specifically note that per investigation and the document below, a large amount of funds were transferred to the Royal Bank of Canada into an account of Michelle Obama. In addition to the information the White Hats have previously reported and this document, we can further confirm that since November 9th, The Obamas have already illegally moved funds again out of these accounts.

We anticipate that Geithner will simply bury this legally filed report in a drawer. What will Obama and Michelle say when the account history of these funds is distributed to the White House staff, Congress, world leaders, our global readers and delivered into other legal authorities? The filing of this report alone to the IRS, if properly addressed, should sink him.

http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/72701447/IRS-filing-against-Obama

full screen here ...
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/72701447?access_key=key-262kyu7r388ttbdgmjr

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viking

[truth4me]

Good find viking and I hope something happens. The white hat reports are a good read but until something happens then that's all the reports are....a good read.

[brenie]

Viking, every little bit of evidence against this man may help, but quite honestly this man has not blinked once as people have shown disturbing evidence re: birth-cert, and ssn.
He is so well surrounded by people of power, I just can't imagine a mere financial scandal accusation making him sigh!

Regards, Brenie.

[jackovesk]

US President touches down at Fairbairn Airforce Base

November 16, 2011

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US President Barack Obama shares a laugh with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, left, and Governor General Quentin Bryce after his arrival in Canberra

PRESIDENT Barack Obama has arrived on Australian soil, touching down at Canberra's Fairbairn Air Force Base where he was met by Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Governor-General Quentin Bryce.

Air Force One completed a textbook landing at 3.10pm, 15 minutes ahead of schedule.

President Obama jogged briskly down the flight stairs onto the tarmac, where he was met by greeting party that also included US Ambassador Jeffrey Bleich, and Australia's Ambassador to the United States, Kim Beazley.

The tarmac was swarming with dozens of secret service agents, sniffer dogs and hundreds of support staff.

The Governor-General was first to welcome the President to Australia, receiving a warm double-handed hand shake from Mr Obama.

The President then exchanged greetings with Ms Gillard, who he kissed on both cheeks.

After shaking hands and exchanging pleasantries with Ambassadors Bleich and Beazley, Mr Obama climbed into his official limousine, colloquially known as "the beast", with Ambassador Bleich by his side.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/obama-in-australia/us-president-touches-down-at-fairbairn-airforce-base/story-fnb0o39u-1226196944226

But the 'Real Story' is here..!

Prime Minister Julia Gillard will discuss defence ties with US President Barack Obama at a private meeting today

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AUSTRALIAN-US defence ties will be at the top of the agenda in private talks between Julia Gillard and Barack Obama today, with a focus on Afghanistan after 2014 and Australia's place in the United States' long-term strategic plan.

China's growing military might is also likely to be discussed, along global economic risks and the prospects for a new Asia-Pacific trade deal.

The Prime Minister and President Obama will sit down for an hour in Ms Gillard's office from 4.30pm, after his official welcome at Parliament House this afternoon.

It's understood Australia's commitment to the Afghanistan conflict after 2014, when coalition forces are due to hand over security responsibility to Afghan forces, will be a priority issue for discussion. Ms Gillard has previously committed Australian special forces to remain in the country after the general coalition pullout to train Afghan forces.

With a permanent US marines presence in Darwin to be officially announced tomorrow, Australia's role in the United States' Asia-Pacific military strategy will be covered by the leaders.

Both nations are working on force posture reviews, and officials have been liaising for months to ensure the plans are compatible.

Publically, both sides will play down the strategic challenges posed by China.

However, the United States is particularly concerned about the rise of China, and particularly its use of satellites and cyber technology to penetrate nations' defence and commercial secrets.

Foreign affairs experts said the threats posed by North Korea and Iran would also be discussed.

Lowy Institute senior fellow Andrew Shearer, a foreign policy adviser to former prime minister John Howard, said the one-hour discussion between Mr Obama and Ms Gillard would have been carefully planned.

"The aim is to avoid unpleasant surprises," he said.

"That said, there is a high degree of frankness in those discussions, compared to some other meetings with world leaders."

Mr Shearer predicted the issues would focus on the key strategic challenges to both nations.

"I expect the bulk of the discussion will be around the big issues the two countries are working on together," he said.

"Afghanistan will have to come up, with planning towards the 2014 transition that Obama has talked about and how that effects Australia's contribution.

"They'll want to touch on the revelations about the Iranian nuclear program. Then there are a bundle of regional issues. China, and India after Ms Gillard's uranium announcement.

"I imagine they'll touch on North Korea and then finally, they'll coordinate positions for the coming East Asia Summit meeting in Bali."

Mr Shearer said Ms Gillard could secure extra time with the President tomorrow, tipping they would travel to Darwin together on Air Force One.

"It wouldn't surprise me if the prime minister flew out with the president. That's invaluable face time with the president, where you can have those private discussions," he said.

"That's the sort of thing that is worked out at a senior and discreet level between the two sets of staff."

The parliamentary precinct was quiet this morning ahead of the President's visit later today.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/obama-in-australia/global-position-puts-us-on-us-map-says-kim-beazley/story-fnb0o39u-1226196507310

PS - But Why aren't the MSM telling us the 'Story behind the Story'..?

Because Govt. + NWO 'PuppetMaster' Globalist 'Think Tanks' = 'The Real Story of Collusion & Corruption'..!

It's 'ALL' in the 'Article Above'..!

The 'PuppetMaster'

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Obama_the_Puppet_by_KruppSteel.jpg


Lowy Institute senior fellow Andrew Shearer, a foreign policy adviser to former prime minister John Howard, said the one-hour discussion between Mr Obama and Ms Gillard would have been carefully planned.

"The aim is to avoid unpleasant surprises," he said.

"That said, there is a high degree of frankness in those discussions, compared to some other meetings with world leaders."

Mr Shearer predicted the issues would focus on the key strategic challenges to both nations.

"I expect the bulk of the discussion will be around the big issues the two countries are working on together," he said.

"Afghanistan will have to come up, with planning towards the 2014 transition that Obama has talked about and how that effects Australia's contribution.

"They'll want to touch on the revelations about the Iranian nuclear program. Then there are a bundle of regional issues. China, and India after Ms Gillard's uranium announcement.

"I imagine they'll touch on North Korea and then finally, they'll coordinate positions for the coming East Asia Summit meeting in Bali."

Mr Shearer said Ms Gillard could secure extra time with the President tomorrow, tipping they would travel to Darwin together on Air Force One.

"It wouldn't surprise me if the prime minister flew out with the president. That's invaluable face time with the president, where you can have those private discussions," he said.

"That's the sort of thing that is worked out at a senior and discreet level between the two sets of staff."

What is/Who are the 'Lowy Institute'..?


A Globalist Rat's Nest amidst the rise of Asia.

Tuesday, July 5, 2011

Globalists' Australian Nexus by Tony Cartalucci

Addendum: A description of Lowy Institute's involvement regarding the formation of a planetary regime, as illustrated in selected articles (this list will be updated):

Regarding the climate change hoax: The [Australian] PM's Address to the Lowy Institute via The Australian.

Regarding US-Australian military integration: "Planners make the case for US bases" via The Australian.

Regarding the contrivance of an World Internet Organization to regulate the Internet globally: "The Shadow of Cyber Regulation" via ISN, by Lowy Institute's Jonas Rey.

Promoting Australia's commitment to endless war in Afghanistan: "More to do in Oruzgan " via The Sydney Morning Herald, by Lowy Institute Non-Resident Fellow, Dr Rodger Shanahan.

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Bangkok, Thailand July 5, 2011 - Meet the Lowy Institute. Filled with big business interests and perhaps the most degenerate, depraved minds humanity has yet produced, it poses as an "independent international policy think tank," whose objective is to "generate new ideas and dialogue on international developments and Australia’s role in the world." The word "independent" is somewhat confusing, but what is clear is that it is yet another Fortune 500 run policy and propaganda clearinghouse serving not Australia, but rather the global corporate-financier elite.

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Notable Corporate Members include JP Morgan, Rothschild, Royal Bank of Scotland, Deutsche Bank, and Cheveron. While Australian brands like Qantas, BHP Billiton, and the National Australian Bank appear more "indigenous" in nature, the reality is that their boards, like everything in the globalist realm, are an ongoing game of musical chairs between all of the worlds globalist, multinational corporations. For example, BHP Billiton's board of directors alone features Jacques Nasser, formerly of Ford Motor Company and JP Morgan, John Buchanan formally of British Petroleum and Vodafone, Carlos Cordeiro formally of Goldman Sachs, David Crawford formally of Bank of America, and the list goes on and on.


The Lowy Institute's board of directors is something to behold. Sitting at the top, is 80 year-old, accused tax evader, Australian-Israeli Frank Lowy, after whom the institute is named. He currently oversees the Westfield Group, was a board member of the (RBA) Reserve Bank of Australia, and sits upon the board of directors of the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) - not of Australia, but of Israel.

Joining him is son Peter Lowy, who is also a Lowy Institute board member, a RAND Corporation trustee, and a board member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council - not of Australia, but of the United States.

Also on the board amongst several others, is Professor Ross Garnaut of the University of Melbourne as well as Australian National University (ANU).

Ian Macfarlane formally of the Reserve Bank of Australia, Goldman Sachs, and Temasek Holdings.

Professor Robert O'Neill of the corporate-stacked International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), and a former head of ANU's Strategic and Defense Studies Centre.

Perhaps most disturbing however is the inclusion of Brookings Institution's Martin Indyk, the co-author of the, frankly speaking, insane "Which Path to Persia?" report where Indyk, fellow Lowy associate Michael O'Hanlon, and others conspired against the nation of Iran to fund known terrorist organizations, engineer fake street protests, buy off members of the Iranian military, and even attempt to provoke Iran into a war it was disinterested in fighting - not for national security, but for what Indyk, O'Hanlon, and others called, "American interests and influence throughout the Middle East."

It then appears that the Lowy Institute is nothing more than a collection of banksters, criminal conspirators, and multinational multi-corporate interests. It is a institute of big business, by big business, and for big business. What is alarming is the vast reach it has within Australia's universities and the alleged "free-press." The name Australian National University comes up more than once and various members of Lowy's staff are also contributors to both Australian and international papers and television networks. Also alarming is the "cross pollination" reflected in Lowy's staff between the institute and other notorious corporate-funded corporate-serving organizations like the Brookings Institution, the International Crisis Group, the fraudulent Harvard Belfer Center, and the warmongering Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Our People: Ties to Globalist (Think-Tanks) and the Media.

Dr. Khalid Koser: Non-Resident Fellow in Foreign Policy Studies at the Brookings Institution.

Dr. Michael Fullilove: Non-Resident Senior Fellow in Foreign Policy at the Brookings Institution, Rhodes Scholar, has published articles in The New York Times, the Financial Times, The Washington Post, the International Herald Tribune, Slate, The Daily Beast, the Los Angeles Times, The Christian Science Monitor, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, The Australian, the Australian Financial Review, The Spectator, The Washington Quarterly, The National Interest and Foreign Affairs.

Whit Mason: International Crisis Group while in Kosovo, then speechwriter for the UN Kosovo mission, and USAID in Pakistan.

Paul Kelly: Editor-at-large of The Australian, previously Editor-in-Chief of The Australian. Is a regular commentator on ABC television (Australian Broadcasting Corporation).

Dr. Michael Wesley: Non-Resident Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution.

Fiona Cunningham: Interned at the Belfer Center at Harvard University and the International Crisis Group.

Fergus Hanson: Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Own Harries: Published over 200 articles in leading journals and magazines, including Foreign Affairs, Commentary, New Republic, Harper's, Orbis, The New York Times, The New York Times Magazine, The American Scholar, National Review, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, The Times (London), The Spectator, The Reader's Digest, as well as in his own journal, The National Interest, and in various Australian publications, including Quadrant , The Bulletin, Policy , The Australian Outlook, The Australian, The Australian Financial Review, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age. (It should be noted that the "National Interest," Harries' own publication, features such warmongering, illegal conspiratory articles as "Free Baluchistan," and "The Chinese Cozy Up to the Pakistanis" where it is suggested that the United States should fund and arm rebels inside Pakistan to carve up the nation to balk Chinese-Pakistani relations.)

Ties to the Australian National University

The Lowy Institute appears to maintain close ties with all of Australia's prominent universities. The Australian National University, however, is one that is stumbled across over and over again, with Lowy co-hosting events, tapping ANU's professors for research papers, and airing its propaganda under a pseudo-academic light. Additionally, many of Lowy's own members have been drawn from ANU's alumni as well as prominent heads of various ANU departments.

Martine Letts: Lowy Institute Deputy Directory, appointed to the ANU Council in 2004.

Professor Hugh White: Lowy Institute Visiting Fellow, professor of Strategic Studies at ANU. Also a regular columnist for The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald.

Professor Warwick McKibbin: Lowry Institute Professional Fellow, Director of ANU Research School of Economics, and also a Non-Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution.

Dr. Milton Osborne: Visiting Fellow in the Faculty of Asian Studies at the Australian National University.

Professor Alan Dupont: Senior Fellow at ANU's Strategic and Defence Studies Centre.

The first search result that comes up within Lowy Institute's publication archives is an interesting document titled, "Thai studies in Australia." Under "Specialists Consulted," no less than 9 "specialists" came from ANU, including the notoriously intellectually dishonest Andrew Walker of ANU's "New Mandala" blog. Walker is fond of taking regional corporate agendas and shoehorning them into something resembling that of academia to lend them legitimacy they'd otherwise lack. He is also adept at giving the corporatocracy talking points a decidedly liberal spin, drawing in well intentioned people to consider his "work" when otherwise they'd be revolted.

Walker spends his time berating Thailand's self-sufficiency economy, suggesting that encouraging people to be self-reliant agriculturally, the very principle that throughout history has produced the strongest, most resilient nations on earth, somehow excludes them from participating in the "national economy" as well as participating in "electoral democracy." He and his partner, Nicholas Farrelly, post up articles promoting the very worst aspects of the corporate-financiers' NGO creep into sovereign Asia, as progressive and justified.

Right on cue, as National Endowment for Democracy-funded "Bersih 2.0" was preparing for mass demonstrations in Malaysia, Walker's "New Mandala" blog posted the following, "The biggest threat – as perceived by the present administration – to Malaysia’s internal security is a demand for free and fair elections." What Walker failed to research and tell his readership, was the fact that Bersih is on record, with organizers themselves admitting to it, having received funds from the National Endowment for Democracy-funded National Democratic Institute, as well as from globalist bankster George Soros' "Open Society" foundation. The threat then, contrary to what was written on "New Mandala" is not "free and fair elections," but rather foreign-funded sedition led by globalist-stooge, Ibrahim Anwar.

Lowy's Propaganda Outfit

Walker's "New Mandala" blog also dutifully hits on all the key talking points being pushed by the global corporate-financiers. When an ex-Reuters journalist penned his disingenuous, conveniently timed Wikileaks-based hit piece titled, "Thai Story," Walker was right by his side providing an outlet and badly needed legitimacy for his hackery. But in addition to Walker, there was the Lowy Institute's propaganda mouthpiece, "The Interpreter." After the July 3, 2011 Thai elections, the Interpreter chimed in with "The danger of a Thai civil war" where the globalist, degenerate-filled, elitist think-tank skipped past their client-stooge Thaksin Shinawatra, and laid the blame for Thailand's current political turmoil on the nation's revered monarchy. Citing Marshall's 3,000 unverified, unsubstantiated Wikileaks cables, who Marshall himself claims, is only "believed to have been downloaded by US soldier Bradley Manning in Iraq," the Interpreter suggests it is "journalism of the highest order."

Adding insult to injury, for those who understand how this network operates, the Interpreter cites fellow degenerate, corporate-serving globalist think-tank, the Council on Foreign Relations to bolster their claim.

The Interpreter maintains a partnership of sorts with other globalist connected rags like "The Diplomat" who echo the globalist consensus on any given issue and itself boasts partnerships with corporate-funded global think-tanks like the Soros-funded Foreign Policy Centre. There is a reason why the Interpreter, the Diplomat, and Andrew Walker's "New Mandala" blog are all on the same page along with other corporate-serving propaganda outfits like CNN, the Economist, the Wall Street Journal, and many others. It is because beneath the veneer of objectivity and academia, lies what is an obviously self-serving agenda propagated by a self-evident, omnipresent global despotic corporatocracy.

Conclusion

Upon the Council on Foreign Relation's seal is the word VBIQVE, latin for "everywhere," and manifests itself in the common English word, ubiquitous. Indeed as we see, regarding just the Lowy Institute alone, it contaminates an entire region's news, media, universities, literature, research, studies, and of course, through the papers and propaganda it produces with the clout it puts behind them, the region's politics and laws as well. The global corporatocracy is everywhere, affecting everything, perhaps so profoundly it escapes one's notice.

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However, upon seeing this network exposed, the people involved, their history of promoting an unaccountable, self-serving agenda at everyone's expense but their own, we can begin rendering moot the false legitimacy they foist upon society with their fancy logos, lofty titles, disingenuous liberal-esque spin, their insufferable arrogance, and entire institutions co-opted or even contrived to serve their own ends.

We can begin by exposing these charlatans, stooges, and crooks for what they really are. We can boycott the corporations that fund and perpetuate these unsavory, dubious, and often well-hidden agendas. We can also begin to replace this nefarious network they've constructed by becoming self-sufficient on a local level.

There is good reason why ANU imposter-academic Andrew Walker, along with the Wall Street Journal and the Economist are so adamantly against Thailand's attempt at implementing nation-wide localism - it is because it will set a viable example for all nations to follow out from under the squatting parasites that make up the global elite.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/07/globalists-australian-nexus.html

PS - I can't 'Emphasise' enough, how important this is for ALL Australians to understand..!

This is the 'PuppetMasters Connection' to the Australian Govt.

Now we are Slowly getting Down into that 'Elusive Rabbit Hole of Corruption' that has been 'Destroying' our Country for years..!

For 911 Researchers - Do a 'Google Search' on "WTC Larry Silverstein & Frank Lowy 911" if you want to venture even further down the 'Rabbit Hole'...


For Example:

http://www.911review.com/motive/insurance.html

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/2007/05/frank-lowy-zionism-and-911.html

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34781--MEET--Australian-Globalists--Most-Corrupt--Think-Tank-the--Lowy-Institue-..-

What do they 'Expect to Achieve'..?




+ This...

Secret no more, US moves openly to block the rise of China.


Hillary Clinton and the New American (Pacific) Century

November 16, 2011 - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently published in Foreign Policy magazine, "America's Pacific Century,""America's Pacific Century" (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/11/americas_pacific_century?page=full), a Hitlerian declaration of imperial intent for American "leadership" in Asia for the next 100 years.

The piece, which could just as easily been penned by Neo-Con policy makers begins with, "the future of politics will be decided in Asia, not Afghanistan or Iraq, and the United States will be right at the center of the action. "

Of course, America's presence throughout the Middle East and the control it exercises over the region's oil resources as well as over the region as a logistical hub is essential in tempering the rise of Asia and ultimately hemming in the rise of China and Central Asia. The "Arab Spring" which Secretary Clinton and the US State Department had been a part of preparing, equipping, training, and even arming for at least 2 years prior, is the coup de grâce meant to completely overturn the multi-polar nature of the Middle East and ultimately the world.

Upon reading Clinton's declaration of intent for American leadership into the next century, readers may recall the similarly named, ranting "Project for a New American Century" signed off on by some of America's most notorious Neo-Conservatives, which almost verbatim made the same case now made by Clinton. In fact, America's evolving confrontation with China, marked acutely by Obama's announcement of a permanent US military presence in Australia just this week, is torn directly from the pages of decades old blueprints drawn up by corporate-financier funded think-tanks that truly rule America and its destiny.

As reported in June, 2011's "Collapsing China," as far back as 1997 there was talk about developing an effective containment strategy coupled with the baited hook of luring China into its place amongst the "international order." Just as in these 1997 talking-points where author and notorious Neo-Con policy maker Robert Kagan described the necessity of using America's Asian "allies" as part of this containment strategy, Clinton goes through a list of regional relationships the US is trying to cultivate to maintain "American leadership" in Asia.

For example, the recently reinstalled Wall Street proxy regime in Thailand led by Thaksin Shinawatra and his sister Yingluck, has received reassurances by Clinton herself just this week stating that, "it is in the national security and political interest of the United States to have this government succeed." As reported in-depth in "CONFIRMED: Thailand's "Pro-Democracy" Movement Working for US," Thaksin Shinawatra and his political regime have had long standing, well documented ties to Wall Street and London. The US backing of puppet-regimes like Thaksin, installing them into power, and keeping them there is central to projecting power throughout Asia and keeping China subordinate, or as Kagan put it in his 1997 report, these proxy regimes will have China "play Gulliver to Southeast Asia's Lilliputians, with the United States supplying the rope and stakes."

It is essential to look past the empty rhetoric of "democracy," "human rights," and "progress" used to justify foreign-funding and meddling to install servile autocrats like Thailand's Thaksin or Malaysia's stooge dictator-in-waiting Anwar Ibrahim and see the greater geopolitical game at play and the disastrous conclusion it is leading us all toward. It is also essential to expose the disingenuous organizations, institutions, and media personalities helping promote this global corporate-fascist agenda.

Above all, it is important not to allow ourselves and our countrymen to be manipulated and their lives wasted in the inevitable conflicts that are sure to arise as Wall Street and London struggle to maintain, or even expand their global financial, economic, and military hegemony.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/


+ This...

The 'Shell Game' continues...

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1269312534933&id=77c399868140dfb81cabf13b069b4b50&url=http%3a%2f%2fsouthfloridalawblog.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2010%2f09%2fshell-game3.jpg

PSS - However...


Remember - "Problem / Reaction / Solution"..!

There is a 'Far Bigger' AGENDA! This to me is just 'Proves' they are 'NWO Globalist Mafia are 'ALL IN IT TOGETHER'. (including China)..!

= This

NWO Globalists Criminal (Mafia) Solution..?

(One World Govt. & Currency)..!

(Gee Whiz) Who would have 'Thought'..? :secret:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34853-China-nearly--Bankrupt--says-Chinese-Economist--But-What-s-the-Catch-..


PSS - Piss Off Obama and 'Get Out of Our Country' and take 'JuLIAR Gillard & The Lowy Institue' with you..!

SORRY for the 'Long-Winded' post, but I feel its 'Extremely Important' to paint the 'Whole Picture' and 'Expose' the 'NWO Mafia's PLANS' for 'ALL' to see..!

KNOW "THINES ENEMY', in order the 'DEFEAT THEM' Once & For ALL..!

[jcocks]

The thing is... If we were to believe what is said publicly about China, then we should have no need to fear them..There should be no need for an increased US defence force presence in Australia. They are our major trading partner who buys most of our resources - they are the reason why we're still in as good a shape we are in (for now)... What's there to fear in that??

UNLESS.... We are not being told the whole story....

There is more to the story to do with China than is being told...and it ties in with what Sid said in another thread, but somehow I doubt that is the full story either.....

[jackovesk]

The thing is... If we were to believe what is said publicly about China, then we should have no need to fear them..There should be no need for an increased US defence force presence in Australia. They are our major trading partner who buys most of our resources - they are the reason why we're still in as good a shape we are in (for now)... What's there to fear in that??

UNLESS.... We are not being told the whole story....

There is more to the story to do with China than is being told...and it ties in with what Sid said in another thread, but somehow I doubt that is the full story either.....

Think of this for a possible scenario jcocks,

We are still borrowing $100m/day from China, with our Total Debt ballooning out to $200bn (Done On Purpose by Labor/Green Govt.)

If China goes Bankrupt where does leave Australia?

So if China are a part of the whole NWO System (Which They Are)

...we have another 'False Enemy' (China) designed to be the 'New Threat' to our National Security

So it all plays into the NWO Globalists hands by forcing us to have more US bases on Australian soil to Compound the 'NWO Mirage' and manipulating the public (saying its a good thing & China's our new 'Boogeyman')...

...then form the Asia Pacific Union against China, Russia, etc

Endgame = China was (In ON It) Goes Bankrupt, then we are left with a $200bn Debt and a Decreasing Resource Sector, enforced 'Austerity Measures' leaving the dooor Wide-Open to their Ultimate Goal of a (One World Govt. & Currency) as the (Solution to the problem the NWO Globalists created in the 1st place)..!

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinese-tv-host-says-regime-nearly-bankrupt-141214.html

That's just One possible Scenrio...

[jackovesk]

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/11/17/1226197/322224-obama3.jpg

2500 US Marines to call Australia home

US MARINES will conduct private exercises by themselves on Australian soil for the first time under a military build-up revealed just hours after President Barack Obama landed for a whirlwind Australian visit.

The historic move increases America's involvement in the booming Asia-Pacific region as a counter to the rise of China, India and Indonesia.

Mr Obama also made a personal plea to Australians who want to immediately end the mission in Afghanistan not to pull out too early, as he paid tribute to our soldiers.

"What I'd say to the Australian people at this stage, is given the enormous investment that's been made - and the signs that we can in fact leave behind a country that's not perfect, but one that is more stable, more secure and does not provide safe haven for terrorists - it's appropriate for us to finish the job and do it right."

Mr Obama and Prime Minister Julia Gillard said 250 US marines would be stationed for six months in the Northern Territory from next year, and by 2016 this would grow to 2500 marines.

Mr Obama said it sent a signal to the rest of the world that America was stepping up its "leadership" in the Asia-Pacific.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/11/16/1226196/963252-julia-gillard-greets-barack-obama.jpg
Julia Gillard greets Barack Obama...

"We are here to stay. This is a region of huge strategic importance to us," he said.

Under the deal, US aircraft including B52 bombers, F18s, Harriers, C130s, C17s and the Global Hawk will more frequently fly in and out of Darwin, and there may also be more nuclear-powered US warships in Australia. Mr Obama insisted this was not aimed at China.

"The notion that we fear China is mistaken," he said, but he issued China this warning: "With their rise comes increased responsibilities. It's important for them to play by the rules of the world."

Mr Obama is the fifth US President to visit and the enthusiastic welcome for him was reminiscent of that for the first, Lyndon B. Johnson, in 1966.

The new military pact was announced to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the formal ANZUS alliance.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/11/16/1226196/964116-barack-obama-arrives-in-canberra.jpg
Barack Obama arrives in Canberra...

There are already about 300 American soldiers in Australia at any given time under agreements struck in 1963. Recently 14,000 US troops took part in military training exercises.

There will eventually be a full-size Marine Air Ground Task Force spending six months a year in the NT and using it as a base for humanitarian and disaster relief for events such as tsunamis, and as a platform from which to launch military operations.

They will spend most of their time at the Bradshaw Field Training Area, roughly the size of Belgium and located west of Katherine.

It will not be a US base, but the US will pay its own costs. There will be joint exercises, but the Americans will also train by themselves.

http://www.news.com.au/national/third-time-lucky-as-president-barack-obama-jets-in-to-canberra/story-e6frfkvr-1226196775830

PS - Some more manipulative 'DOUBLESPEAK'..!


"We are here to stay. This is a region of huge strategic importance to us," he said.


"The notion that we fear China is mistaken," he said, but he issued China this warning: "With their rise comes increased responsibilities. It's important for them to play by the rules of the world."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SYRYk0n5yMQ/TjEJu2uXpxI/AAAAAAAACnE/z3ahtQVPg40/s320/tbankersdees.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B8ymLE9odY4/TjEI4x3npII/AAAAAAAACm0/zaMRu9C2uFM/s320/swear_dees2.jpg

PSS - The 'JOKE' is on us, especially if China goes 'Bankrupt'..!

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I reckon your right on the money there Jack.

A solid game plan that has been prooven to work.

What do you think LS?

PVM

[jcocks]

Possible, But I'm wondering if/where the mysterious google images from China fit in to all of this....

[jackovesk]

The Daily Telegraph

November 18, 2011
12:00AM

US President Barack Obama will use troop withdrawals in Iraq and Afghanistan to bolster forces in the Asia-Pacific - the strongest sign yet that Australia will be at the centre of a New World Order.

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/11/17/1226198/327574-barack-obama-australia.jpg
Ties forged in blood ... President Barack Obama greets Australian troops and US Marines with Julia Gillard (R) at RAAF Base

Announcing yesterday, during a historic speech to the Australian parliament, that he had already told his national security team to draw up plans, Mr Obama gave his strongest vow to date about more US involvement in our economic zone, The Daily Telegraph reported.

He also promised planned cuts to US defence spending to tackle the country's debt crisis would not apply to the Asia-Pacific, where existing bases would be strengthened with a greater and more flexible military presence.

The hawkish push into the region was met with a frosty reception from Beijing.

Chinese officials yesterday questioned the US plan, accusing it of "flexing its muscles over the South China Sea issue".

"The move may not be in the interest of countries in the region," a spokesman for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said.

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/11/17/1226198/211838-obama.jpg

An opinion piece on China's People's Daily website also warned that "Australia will be caught in the crossfire" if it uses its military bases to help the US harm Chinese interests.


"Australia surely cannot play China for a fool," it stated.

"It is impossible for China to remain detached no matter what Australia does to undermine its security. One thing is certain - if Australia uses its military bases to help the US harm Chinese interests, then Australia itself will be caught in the crossfire.

"Australia should at least prevent things from growing out of control. Australia should cherish its friendship with China and show this, not merely spout soothing words."

Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd last night said: "We are not going to have our national security policy dictated by any other external power ... We don't seek to dictate to the Chinese what their national security policy should be."

The move to switch troops from the two war zones into our region was first raised by Mr Rudd at last year's Ausmin meeting with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/11/17/1226198/211835-obama.jpg

Mr Obama and Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrive in Bali today for the high-powered East Asia Summit, at which the issue of China's provocative claims over natural resources in the South China Sea will be a focus.

While most ASEAN countries will privately welcome the tough talk on China, analysts acknowledge yesterday's announcement may hamper security talks today when Mr Obama will be the first US president to attend a meeting of the East Asia Summit.

Russian and Indian leaders will also attend for the first time, in an expanded forum established by Australia and which has now become the leading world group for economic and security issues.

Mr Obama said that as wars in Iraq and Afghanistan wound down, he would make the Asia-Pacific region a key priority.

"As we end today's wars I have directed my national security team to make our presence and missions in the Asia-Pacific a top priority," he said.

"As a result, reductions in US defence spending will not, I repeat will not, come at the expense of the Asia-Pacific."

He said the US would seek co-operation with China, including communication between militaries to foster understanding and avoid "miscalculation".

"We will do this even as we continue to speak candidly to Beijing about the importance of upholding international norms and respecting the universal human rights of the Chinese people," he said.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/11/17/1226197/881288-obama-meets-brown.jpg
President Obama and Bob Brown have a brieft chat, as PM Julia Gillard looks on in the background

Mr Obama also turned his attention to US domestic issues while outlining his Pacific priorities, saying the region was crucial to achieving his country's economic goals.

"As the world's fastest-growing region - and home to more than half the global economy - Asia is critical to achieving my highest priority: creating jobs and opportunity for the American people," he said.

"With most of the world's nuclear powers and nearly half of humanity, this region will largely define whether the century ahead will be marked by conflict or co-operation, needless suffering or human progress.

"As President, I've therefore made a deliberate and strategic decision - as a Pacific nation, the US will play a larger and long-term role in shaping this region and its future, by upholding core principles and in close partnership with allies and friends. In an interconnected world we all rise and fall together." In a historic joint meeting of senators and MPs in the house of representatives in Canberra, the US President described his country's alliance with Australia as never stronger and the values of the two nations as just as important as any wartime partnerships

"The bonds between us run deep," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/national/usa-will-be-at-the-very-heart-of-the-new-pacific/story-e6frfkvr-1226198403757

PS - And the MSM tries to 'Fool the Sheeple' into believing that We 'Truthseekers' are 'Conspiracy Theorists' because we dared to expose their 'Ulitmate Goal' ages ago, a NWO with Australia as its Centre..!

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/11/15/1226195/199848-joking-obama.jpg

Well if you wanted further 'Proof' you need look no further, they just 'Told the World'..!

PSS - We all 'Know' something in this whole 'Charade' has to giveway sooner or later..!

[Maia Gabrial]

What Obama REALLY needs to focus on is his IMPEACHMENT proceedings. He's going to prison....

[jackovesk]

What Obama REALLY needs to focus on is his IMPEACHMENT proceedings. He's going to Prison....

Agreed Maia Gabrial,

:bump:

[Leon]

Australia is at the forefront... long know you are right about that Jackovesk... and it's sheeple are so blind (well most of them)

Obama, Howard and many other will never be tried for anything, they are among the protected species...

we will be the ones to suffer

[jackovesk]

PSSS - And 'Don't' Come Back (either of You 2 CRIMINALS)..!

http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/gilldd_thumb.jpg

[hectorlca]

I feel this has nothing to do with what is actually happening. There's enough US military presence in the pacific. This is a staged, media driven event to increase the feeling of tension, anxiety and possible conflict in the world.

For some reason, this feels hollow, like it's all for show.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Here we are at least pretending that this is the collusion of separate parties, but of course they're all part of the same regime. It's about time they got lost.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I feel this has nothing to do with what is actually happening. There's enough US military presence in the pacific. This is a staged, media driven event to increase the feeling of tension, anxiety and possible conflict in the world.

For some reason, this feels hollow, like it's all for show.


Maybe that and all of the above. Another fact to consider: Obama has to figure out what to do with all those troops he's bringing back from Iraq and Afganistan. Let's face it, with unemployment soaring in the U.S., plunking large numbers of unemployed vets into the mix could be a problem, particularly with an election year coming up.

[percival tyro]

Well said jackovesk; not long enough!.

[Lord Sidious]

Here we are at least pretending that this is the collusion of separate parties, but of course they're all part of the same regime. It's about time they got lost.

If you trick them onto the bus, I volunteer to drive them over a cliff. :cool:

[Maia Gabrial]

Where's Michelle while lover boy, Obama is coming on to Gillard? Looks like Gillard is alittle TOO happy around him....
Michelle, you best reign your loose and fancy free hubby in before Gillard jumps his bones....
And you know he won't be doing it for God or country, sister.... LOL!

[percival tyro]

L sid, I dont think the crabs will be very pleased.

[Taurean]

Brilliant idea.

Make the Northern Hemisphere a toxic wasteland and bug out to Oz.

Reminds me of the movie " On the Beach ( 1959 ) "

This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

Plot summary

The story is set primarily in and around Melbourne, Australia, in 1963. World War III has devastated most of the populated world, polluting the atmosphere with nuclear fallout and killing all human and animal life in the northern hemisphere. The war began with a nuclear attack by Albania on Italy, and then escalated with the bombing of the United States and the United Kingdom by Egypt. Because the aircraft used in these attacks were obtained from the USSR, the Soviets were mistakenly blamed, triggering a retaliatory strike on the USSR by NATO. There is also an attack by the Soviets on the People's Republic of China, which may have been a response to a Chinese attack aimed at occupying Soviet industrial areas near the Chinese border. Most if not all of the bombs had cobalt that was included to enhance their radioactive properties.
Global air currents are slowly carrying the lethal nuclear fallout across the Intertropical Convergence Zone to the southern hemisphere. The only parts of the planet still habitable are Australia and New Zealand, South Africa, and the southern parts of South America, although these areas are slowly succumbing to radiation poisoning as well. Life in Melbourne continues in a reasonably normal fashion, though the near-complete lack of motor fuels makes travel difficult.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

EWWWWWW!!!! lol

[ghostrider]

could it be America is about to fall apart and Obama needs part of his army and his family to have a sanctuary to run off to ?

[ghostrider]

something about this is all wrong, australia makes no sense, why there ? why now ? why troops in a foreign country ? OWS going on in every city, people out of work, the economy in the tank, and he is in Australia ?? seems he cares more about foreign countries than the one he in charge of. can you say ONE TERM TALKING HEAD ? prepair the Obama library, or Obama diary book tour, or a game of cricket will Bill Clinton. maybe Michelle will run for senator of New York and then president. funny off topic but, strange a shot was fired at the white house and they magically found the Ak-47 with spent shells and the get away car. smells like the CIA set up of all time. ehummm, i fire at that house and leave plenty of evidence around to make sure they know it was me, and I'll toss in some spent brass next to the black market AK-47 I got on ebay. Bet his internet name is ladiesman 911 he he ha ha ho ho.. chew on that my fellow jedi

[modwiz]

Where's Michelle while lover boy, Obama is coming on to Gillard? Looks like Gillard is alittle TOO happy around him....
Michelle, you best reign your loose and fancy free hubby in before Gillard jumps his bones....
And you know he won't be doing it for God or country, sister.... LOL!

I was under the impression that men were not part of her (Gillard's) diet.

[modwiz]

What Obama REALLY needs to focus on is his IMPEACHMENT proceedings. He's going to prison....

We can only hope.........that he has plenty of company.

[modwiz]

I feel this has nothing to do with what is actually happening. There's enough US military presence in the pacific. This is a staged, media driven event to increase the feeling of tension, anxiety and possible conflict in the world.

For some reason, this feels hollow, like it's all for show.


Maybe that and all of the above. Another fact to consider: Obama has to figure out what to do with all those troops he's bringing back from Iraq and Afganistan. Let's face it, with unemployment soaring in the U.S., plunking large numbers of unemployed vets into the mix could be a problem, particularly with an election year coming up.

Another thing is a lot of those troops have had a "come to Jesus moment" about politics. They will be an incendiary group to be sure and with a few combat tours under their belts. They have been forced to kill innocent people and they know it. They might have a "payback's a bitch" ethos now. Keeping them in a distant country may be life insurance for our criminal/political class.

[jackovesk]

What Australian Papers are Saying...


America goes for broke

“His message to China’s leaders was unambiguous. America seeks Chinese collaboration as a responsible stakeholder in a New World Economic Order, but if Beijing proves to be recalcitrant, the US will stand its ground with its allies.”

Which means what? Stand its ground and watch the world move on, waving it goodbye from a position of diminishing importance. China and the rest of the Asian juggernaut is that new world economic order. Capitalise New World and you’re getting closer to the story. The US is Old World.

Those consumed by memories of the Great Game can dwell on the importance or lack thereof of US marines visiting Darwin, but Obama’s rather wishful launch of the “Trans-Pacific Partnership” is more instructive. As Free Trade Champions and as a nation that has already kow-towed to US desires in an unequal free trade treaty, Australia of course went along with it, but China’s official media read it more accurately. Said Xinhua:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/america-goes-for-broke-20111118-1nm9n.html


Gillard goes 'all the way' with Obama's big regional push

Perhaps there was one kiss too many. Suddenly, the warmth between Julia Gillard and Barack Obama transformed from being a really good look to appearing a little over the top.

Gillard did not come out with a pat line to encapsulate the alliance. But the kissing (through a couple of international conferences as well as on Obama's arrival) and the arms around each other's backs as they left Wednesday's news conference became the new version of ''all the way with LBJ''.

We are in the midst of a major realignment of American foreign policy. Obama used yesterday's address to Parliament to deliver the strongest possible line about America boosting its profile and its power in this region. ''In the Asia-Pacific in the 21st century, the United States of America is all in,'' he said. The future America seeks in the Asia-Pacific is ''security, prosperity and dignity for all . . . That's the future we will pursue, in partnership with allies and friends, and with every element of American power''.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/gillard-goes-all-the-way-with-obamas-big-regional-push-20111117-1nl15.html


Strine-ing the friendship

Is this the sign of a New World Order? Have consonants been found responsible for global tensions? Will Ban Ki-moon be bringing a motion to the floor of the UN General Assembly to replace Esperanto with Strayan?

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/strineing-the-friendship-20111117-1nko1.html


Obama resets Asia-Pacific agenda

Using the language of the card player, Obama gave the strongest commitment possible to comprehensive involvement in our region: "Let there be no doubt: in the Asia Pacific in the 21st century, the United States of America is all in."

Obama's Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, has been talking about shifting the emphasis of America's international engagement towards the Asia-Pacific while Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has been quietly re-weighting military priorities towards the region.

Now Obama is backing a push for greater economic involvement principally through the Trans-Pacific Partnership trading initiative and military expansion (seen in the deployment of marines to Darwin), with a wider agenda that seeks to liberalise nations such as China.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/party-games-calm-obama-resets-agenda/story-e6frerdf-1226198384466


PM Julia Gillard rides her US friend President Barack Obama's coat-tails

FORMER Labor leader, current Australian ambassador in Washington and walking thesaurus Kim Beazley reckons Julia Gillard and Barack Obama have "a generational empathy".

"In my friend Julia, we see the qualities we admire," said Obama. "Down to earth, easy to talk to and says it like it is, straight up."

Obama's warm endorsement of Labor's carbon pricing scheme "Australia, you've moved forward with a bold strategy", said the President will help a bit in the difficult job of turning around sentiment among voters, as will his belief that moving to a low emission economy is good for everyone.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/spike/columnists/pm-rides-her-friend-obamas-coat-tails/story-e6frerff-1226197333469

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/11/17/1226197/883561-111117-abbott.jpg
Opposition leader Tony Abbott watches as US President Barack Obama inspects ties presented to him by Ken Wyatt at Parliament House.


Eyebrows were raised also when Mr Abbott ventured an opinion to the US President in relation to the still freshly announced deal to station up to 2500 marines in the Northern Territory.

"The Coalition welcomes the presence of up to 2500 US marines in Darwin and would be happy to see the establishment of another joint facility so that these arrangements could become more permanent," he said.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/tony-abbott-accused-of-point-scoring-breach/story-e6frea6u-1226198319143


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdM8ABJ61yA&feature=player_embedded

PS - I don't know How to put it any other way...

The 'Majority of Australians' have bought this NWO Globalist 'American & Asia Pacific Union Alliance' (Trans-Pacific Partnership) SCAM, Hook, Line & Sinker..!

I am sorry to say, "Unless a 'Miracle' happens 'We are all Fuked'..!"

...Or

Let me say it another way, "If we 'Let them Get Away With It', we 'Deserve' everything we get..!"

[jackovesk]

Where's Michelle while lover boy, Obama is coming on to Gillard? Looks like Gillard is alittle TOO happy around him....
Michelle, you best reign your loose and fancy free hubby in before Gillard jumps his bones....
And you know he won't be doing it for God or country, sister.... LOL!

No need to worry about that for (either of them) Maia Gabrial..!

One has a female (Beard - Michelle Obama) & the other has a male (Beard - Tim Mathieson)

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1425749183494&id=b9216659595b6d93ad59e6abf254c9b0&url=http%3a%2f%2fresources2.news.com.au%2fimages%2f2011%2f11%2f14%2f1226194%2f927850-michelle-obama-tim-mathieson.jpg

[jackovesk]

something about this is all wrong, australia makes no sense, why there ? why now ? why troops in a foreign country ? OWS going on in every city, people out of work, the economy in the tank, and he is in Australia ??

Some of the 'Answers' you are looking for Ghostrider, are all laid out for you in this Thread...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34857-Obama-Lands-on-Australian-Soil--What-s-Obama-Really-Doing-Here-..&p=358614#post358614

[jackovesk]

Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez charged with attempting to Assassinate Barack Obama

November 18, 2011
12:02PM


Man accused of firing two shots at the White House
Charged with attempting to assassinate Barack Obama
Allegedly referred to Obama as the "Anti-Christ"

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/11/18/1226198/800516-oscar-ortega-hernandez.jpg
Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez was arrested in connection with a shooting in which a White House window was struck by a bullet.

A MAN accused of firing two shots at the White House last week has been charged with attempting to assassinate President Barack Obama or his staff.

Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez made his first court appearance before a federal magistrate in Pittsburgh overnight, one day after he was arrested at a western Pennsylvania hotel.

He will be taken back from a federal court in Pittsburgh to face the charges in Washington, DC.

Ortega-Hernandez will remain in federal custody at least until a magistrate in Washington can determine if he should remain jailed until his trial on the charge, which carries up to life in prison.

Ortega-Hernandez sat quietly as the hearing began, his hands free but his feet shackled.

The 21-year-old said only "Yes, ma'am" when asked if he understood that he would be going back to Washington to face the charge.

Authorities said a man clad in black who was obsessed with Obama pulled his car within view of the White House on Friday night and fired shots from an assault rifle, cracking a window of the first family's living quarters while the president was away.

Soon after, US Park Police found an abandoned vehicle, with an assault rifle inside it, near a bridge leading out of the nation's capital to Virginia.

The car led investigators to Ortega-Hernandez who was said to be obsessed with the President and the First Family.

The FBI took custody of his car yesterday to continue the process of reviewing evidence, said Lindsay Godwin, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Washington field office.

The US Secret Service found two bullets had hit the building and one had cracked a window on the second floor of the family residence, UK newspaper The Telegraph reported.

While the President and First Lady were not inside at the time it remains unclear whether their daughters Sasha and Malia were.

According to a witnesses interviewed by the FBI, Ortega-Hernandez had referred to Mr Obama aswith attempting to assassinate President Barack Obamaand "the devil" and said that he "needed to kill him", The Telegraph reported.

Ortega-Hernandez was arrested after a hotel desk clerk recognised his picture.

He had been reported missing on October 31 by his family.

http://www.news.com.au/world/man-who-thought-obama-was-the-anti-christ/story-e6frfkyi-1226198764113

PS - Obama the 'Anti-Christ'..? I tend to 'Agree' with him..!

[161803398]

well if he was middle eastern we'd know he was working for the CIA. I guess he's for real.

[GlassSteagallfan]

"As we end today's wars I have directed my national security team to make our presence and missions in the Asia-Pacific a top priority," he said.[Obama]

"As a result, reductions in US defence spending will not, I repeat will not, come at the expense of the Asia-Pacific."

He said the US would seek co-operation with China, including communication between militaries to foster understanding and avoid "miscalculation".

"We will do this even as we continue to speak candidly to Beijing about the importance of upholding international norms and respecting the universal human rights of the Chinese people," he said.[Obama]

"As the world's fastest-growing region - and home to more than half the global economy - Asia is critical to achieving my highest priority: creating jobs and opportunity for the American people," he said.[Obama]

"With most of the world's nuclear powers and nearly half of humanity, this region will largely define whether the century ahead will be marked by conflict or co-operation, needless suffering or human progress.

"As President, I've therefore made a deliberate and strategic decision - as a Pacific nation, the US will play a larger and long-term role in shaping this region and its future, by upholding core principles and in close partnership with allies and friends. In an interconnected world we all rise and fall together."

This is "New Speak" for war with China.

Obama could give a sh*t about human rights, just ask any #occupy protester who has been beaten for demanding his/her 'human rights'.

With that said, here's the LaRouche article on it:

The U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission Accuses China of "First Strike" Strategy

November 17, 2011 • 8:57AM

Obama's preparation for world war got a boost today from The U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, set up by the Congress in 2000 to report annually on security implications of U.S.-China relations. The Commission incredibly claims that the Chinese military strategy is "first strike," charging that their strategy is aimed at "degrading an opponent's technological advantages and STRIKING FIRST in order to gain surprise."

Adding to Obama's current concerted preparation for a war on China as he tours Asia, the report describes China's military build-up as "aimed squarely at countering America's defenses and exploiting weaknesses," and calls on the GAO to evaluate the ability of the Pentagon's early warning system to detect an attack from China's military. It also seconds a Pentagon report that China's "cyber-intrusions remained high in 2011 and may have interfered with the operations of at least two U.S. space satellites."

The report also attacks China's economic policies, although this assertion gained a strong dissent from Commission Chairman William A. Reinsch. The Commission called for federal laws to stiffen "effective remedies against the anti-competitive actions of Chinese state-owned or state-invested enterprises," and for the Commerce Department to report annually on Chinese investment policies, which are "part of the government's plan to promote the development of key industries in China through access to foreign technology and capital," the report warned.

Reinsch, in his dissent with fellow Commissioner Cleveland, said that the report's economic attack was an attempt to blame our economic problems on China, and encouraged paranoia. Reinsch, however, expressed no problem with the ludicrous assertion that China will launch a first strike attack on the U.S. or that the U.S. must prepare for such a first strike.

The report also has a section raging against China's (totally legal) relations with Iran and North Korea.

AND

Obama Sends the Marines to Australia to Counter China
November 17, 2011 • 8:52AM

The Obama war plan against China gathered steam today as Obama deployed the Marines to Australia.

Obama and Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard on Wednesday announced the deployment of 2500 Marines to an Australian military base called Bradshaw Field Training Area (which is the size of Belgium) near Darwin, 500 miles from Indonesia, with direct access to the East Asian seaways and the Indian Ocean. Miitary sources noted that the base (while not being called a base) was permanent; would allow pre - positioning of US supplies; would include regular deployments of warships, including nuclear carriers, and aircraft, including B52 bombers, F18s, C130s and Global Hawk drones; and was "out of reach" of most Chinese missiles, unlike Guam and Okinawa.

Nerobama said: "With my visit to the region I am making it clear that the United States is stepping up its commitment to the entire Asia-Pacific region."

Nor did he hide his threat to China, adding: "The notion that we fear China is mistaken. With their rise comes increased responsibilities. It's important for them to play by the rules [sic] of the world." "My world," he could have added.

Australian Defence Minister Kim Beazley said: "The Chinese have gotten used to the fact that Australia and the United States have a very close military relationship. They expect nothing different." China responded otherwise.

A Global Times (official paper of the CCP) editorial today said: "Apparently, Australia aspires to a situation where it maximizes political and security benefits from its alliance with the U.S. while gaining the greatest economic interests from China. However, Gillard may be ignoring something — their economic cooperation with China does not pose any threat to the US, whereas the Australia-US military alliance serves to counter China. Australia surely cannot play China for a fool. It is impossible for China to remain detached no matter what Australia does to undermine its security. There is real worry in the Chinese society concerning Australia's acceptance of an increased US military presence....

"The US military presence in Australia will not change matters in the short-term. It remains to be seen how Australia will behave in the future and how China is going to respond. But one thing is certain — if Australia uses its military bases to help the US harm Chinese interests, then Australia itself will be caught in the crossfire. Australia should at least prevent things from growing out of control."

[larphill]

Obama picked this spot because it was the strongest region in the board game "Risk." Smart man.

[jackovesk]

Proof - The 'Democracy' that (Never Was)..!

Opposition LNP Leader (Tony Abbott) 'Shows his True Colours', and is (IN-ON-IT) aswell..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxRjy29l-WE&feature=player_embedded

...and This


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ5Fmgenavc&feature=relmfu


PS - ALL of them are 'Eating' out of the same 'Filthy Trough'..!


http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1289016054461&id=5711c8ca7b01ce029234559d3d0f4e0d&url=http%3a%2f%2f1.bp.blogspot.com%2f_R82B80oQcsk%2fS94iwmfyyEI%2fAAAAAAAACAk%2fXFXaD79tjvw%2fs400%2 fgeorge_orwell_animal_farm_unabridge.jpg..http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1292679123306&id=fa49735dede076d392733f72d685da5a&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.mentalfloss.com%2fblogs%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2009%2f08%2f460_animalfarm.jpg

[christian]

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[Maia Gabrial]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Where's Michelle while lover boy, Obama is coming on to Gillard? Looks like Gillard is alittle TOO happy around him....
Michelle, you best reign your loose and fancy free hubby in before Gillard jumps his bones....
And you know he won't be doing it for God or country, sister.... LOL!
I was under the impression that men were not part of her (Gillard's) diet.

I pick up weird vibes when I see the pictures of them. Something is not right and it gives me the creeps. It must be a Reptilian thing that it doesn't matter what kind of sex you have, it's all about perversion....

I also get the feeling that Obama is trying to find somewhere to escape to when the impeachment proceedings start. According to the White Hats, he and Michelle have stolen billions of dollars from Americans and they can't seem to hide it fast enough. He won't outrun his fate....

I feel sorry for Australians if they have to give sanctuary to this traitor.
And Gillard can go to prison just as easily as Obama can....

[Aurvandil]

I really don´t know so much about the background of this so thanks for this thread!

Concerning China´s bankruptcy, professor Larry Lang of the unversity of Hong Kong has talked about this: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinese-tv-host-says-regime-nearly-bankrupt-141214.html

I wonder - China has obviously interests in the Greek economy, they run big parts of eastern Africa, they have bought a lot of American state bonds, but if they go bankrupt, what will happen?
I personally think that the crisis in the EU is a setup to put Greece, Italy and Spain (to start with) under a central administration, thus beginning the real United states of Europe. Then with the bankruptcy of both USA and China, there will the possibility to start talking about a global administration, the start of a world government...

Oh yes, I forgot - concerning the creepy pictures of Obama and Gillard: get a room! :rolleyes:

[wolf_rt]

Seriously? His people are basically rioting in the streets, there entire system is on the verge of collapse, and he comes here and talks about America in a leadership role?

I really don't think anyone is buying his crap, who is this aimed at??? WTF???

[Lord Sidious]

Seriously? His people are basically rioting in the streets, there entire system is on the verge of collapse, and he comes here and talks about America in a leadership role?

I really don't think anyone is buying his crap, who is this aimed at??? WTF???

Oh, he is correct, the missing part of the definition is leadership role in what context?

[syrwong]

They are going to conspire a world war, and the news still used the word "defense". It is just too sickening to see the pictures.

[onawah]

Why Do I Support President Barack Obama? – Part 1/2
29 March 2011 - 5:01am | RAYSAHAMI

Why Do I Support President Barack Obama? – Part 1/2


People have asked me: Am I unaware of who Barack Obama is? Did I include his picture in a recent article on peaceworkers because I was expressing the hope that Obama would come around?
Yes, I’m perfectly aware of who Obama is and, no, I don’t need to expect that he will come around because, in my view, he has never left the cause of global peace, unity and harmony.
But you should know that I rely on sources that most of the mainstream do not. I accept the channeled testimony of reliable sources from among galactic and spirit teachers. It’s alright that you may not, but I do.
They see farther than terrestrial and incarnate sources. They are able to draw on capabilities, consult records, and use technology that are not available to us. And they, knowing who Barack Obama is in a way that we could never do, uniformly support and praise Barack Obama.
So that you can know what they say about the man, here is a review of their messages to us about Barack Obama.
First let’s begin with the meme or catchphrases that certain people use when speaking about President Obama. One website ostensibly put out by lightworkers who oppose the New World Order states that Obama “has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, … and mortgaged the promised land.” (1) Ben Fulford, in his interview with David Wilcock, places Barack Obama in cahoots with Zbigniew Brzezinski and George Soros. (2) Wilcock himself reveals that:
“Every person I know who is on the inside, still in black-ops, reveals that there is great hatred of Obama within their ranks because he is NOT working on their side.” (3)
What do spiritual and galactic commentators say about the President? Is he Golden-Age hero or New World Order villain? In order to give the full story to President Obama’s critics and supporters, I’m going to cite what they say at some length and in the simplest fashion (chronologically). I intend this article to be consulted and used by others and thus to form a repository of information on the spiritiual stature and destiny of the President. Let’s start with the views of spirit teacher Matthew Ward.
Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward is a highly-evolved individual who speaks on behalf of Earth’s spiritual hierarchy. Ashtar, commander of the Galactic Federation’s fleet, once informed the author: “I want to tell you why you can trust the information we transmit to Suzy Ward [Mattherw Ward's mother and channel]. We know Matthew—all highly evolved beings in the universe know this soul—and his soul and his mother’s vibrate at the same high frequency, where only truth is passed between beings wherever they are, and she is known by us as a uniquely clear receiver.” (4) I accept Cdr. Ashtar’s evaluation.
Matthew made his first comment about Barack Obama on July 4, 2008, during the election campaign. He called the momentum of Obama’s political campaign “unstoppable” and reassured his supporters about some of the candidate’s recent decisions.
“We see presidential nominee Barack Obama’s supporters’ uneasiness about his recent statements and decisions that are disappointing and seem to contradict his previous stance. Because the next US president issue is of international interest and his momentum toward office is unstoppable, we hasten to assure that he is doing only what he must to ostensibly align himself with the expectations of the Illuminati.
“Although their power base is in tatters, they still have enough punch to sway election results by fraudulent vote count, bribery and life threats to families of anyone who opposes them. So do be at peace if the ‘public’ Obama has become worrisome to you—it is like many other situations that are not what they appear to be and time will so tell. We can say this without jeopardizing his and his family’s physical safety—… they [are] surrounded by light warrior protectors. (5)
His next comment came on Sept. 28, 2008, prior to the election, when he described the candidate’s qualities and destiny.
“Barack Obama will accomplish his mission to bring wisdom, justness and integrity to the United States government, and his example of governing with compassion and reconciliation to unify a divided nation will resound around the world. He is not the only highly evolved soul who will lead Earth into the Golden Age—many others also came to fill influential positions, some to support Obama and some as leaders of other nations.” (6)
On Oct. 28, 2008, Matthew described Barack Obama’s origins and predicted that he would be a factor in welcoming our galactic family to Earth when disclosure happens, as we expect within the next few months.
“I believe all the other questions can be answered thusly: The combination of Obama’s innate wisdom and leadership experience from lifetimes in spiritually and intellectually evolved civilizations and the light that increasingly is raising consciousness of Earth humankind will heal the divisiveness evident in the current ferocity of political haranguing; the new administration will welcome the assistance of your space brothers and sisters when they can offer it overtly, and it will be in whatever form is needed, from new technologies to educational aids for students and mass media to new construction methods and materials. I hasten to add that the same extraterrestrial assistance will be offered worldwide.” (7)
After the election, on Nov. 21, 2008, Matthew described what the view of Obama’s victory was like from the spirit side of life.
“Although photographs and stories have shown worldwide elation about the United States president-elect, those can only begin to indicate what we saw. If you can imagine Earth revolving from shimmering golden light into blinding brilliance, you will have a faint glimpse of what we observed during the hours election updates traveled around the globe.
“The radiance is the heart-to-heart connection between Barack Obama and all who are jubilant about his winning the election. Although the density around the planet has been lightening for many years, most of the populace do not yet remember what their souls know, the universal law of ‘like attracts like’ and the heart is the seat of the soul. Those who sense Obama’s light do so because they are energetically aligned with his soul’s make-up, and this connection rises into consciousness not only as joy, but a strong feeling that Obama’s win is a victory for all peoples and for Earth herself. It IS, and that is why we greeted you with JOY TO THE WORLD!” (8)
On that same occasion, he revealed that President-elect Obama had been chosen to by the people about to incarnate on Earth before they were born.
“Regardless of celestial origin and current culture, age, skin color, religion, gender, ethnicity, or nation of residency, prior to birth all peoples now on the planet knew the soul who would incarnate as Barack Obama and joyfully agreed to his becoming president of the United States to lead that country and the world into the Golden Age.
“All participant souls were born with that knowledge, but it was forgotten in the adjustment to ‘life in the flesh’ and its needs, and even more so, indoctrination by family, educators, religion and society. But they all knew that would happen because it is inherent in third density embodiment; therefore, according to the plan, light in ever increasing intensity has been provided by beings throughout the universe to merge Earth peoples’ consciousness with their soul level knowingness.
“So, what is considered in your world to be a recent political event had its beginnings long ago in your counting of time and is far, FAR more than Obama’s imminent presidency! Think of the innumerable times “historic” has been used to describe this, and rightly so!
“However, most people have no idea how truly historic it is—they have not yet reached their soul’s knowledge that includes what I just explained or what I and other sources of messages have told you through our receivers: This era on Earth is unique, what is happening is unprecedented in the universe.” (9)

He also addressed the concerns of readers who worried that Obama was appointed Illuminati cabalists to his cabinet.
“[Let me address] the expressed concerns about the individuals Obama has met with or appointed. Not only must he ease out of toeing the line set by those who thrust him into the limelight—most of them are following through with their own pre-birth agreements—but he has no presidential authority yet to initiate dramatic changes, and actions within his current range of decision-making are not cast in stone.
“Replace your concerns about his safety with gratitude for the shield of protective Christed light surrounding him, and yes, the light in your prayers does indeed add to his well being. We encourage you to be patient while everything unfolds, knowing without any doubt whatsoever that the light is in control!” (10)
After the joyous celebration of Barack Obama’s election and the high majesty of his swearing in, the Illuminati set about through its controlled press and right-wing neoconservatives set about through radio talkshows, newspapers, political organizations, and any other means possible to tarnish President Obama’s character and record. Everywhere we turned we encountered negative appraisals of the President and many lightworkers assumed that where there was smoke there was fire.
Abandonment of the President proceeded at a rapid rate. Matthew described the task facing the President and the reasons for some of the actions that lightworkers did not approve of. I quote his analysis at length. It forms almost a history of that period.
“Now then, while Illuminati control of mainstream media has cracked, it has not disintegrated sufficiently so that information they do not want you to know is reported; nor is the full truth given of situations they would like to keep completely quiet but cannot. And you can be certain that nothing is reported that reflects the concerns of lightworkers who are distressed because President Obama has entrusted vital responsibilities to persons known to be affiliated with Illuminati power bases and some of his decisions appear to be strengthening rather than weakening those bases. …
“Certainly the highly-evolved soul that Obama is does not need our defense, and that is not what we are doing by explaining what he is dealing with. Our purpose in speaking of this is to state that not only is an individual’s balance disturbed by the energy of distress—or discontentment, disappointment, disillusionment, anger—but also that energy goes forth and adds to the negativity Earth has to transmute into light. Thus, far better than feeling negative emotions about what Obama appears to be doing is staying positively focused on the world as you want it to be.
“So then what is he dealing with? In short, the incremental dismantling of the Illuminati worldwide network. As background on this pernicious ‘umbrella group,’ only the topmost members know the full extent of its infiltration into governments, banking, commerce, religions, education, media, science, entertainment—all bodies that most impact life in your world. Below those few peak individuals are the ones who control the many aspects of the global network. Each has general knowledge about the others but no detailed information about any operations except what he or she is in charge of.
“The farther down the hierarchy a member is, the more secrecy enshrouds the reasons for the Illuminati’s very existence; and at the bottom are the many thousands who simply follow instructions without a glimmer of understanding what real purpose they are serving, somewhat like a 1000-piece jigsaw puzzle dumped out of the box—no piece is aware of the interconnectedness of all the pieces, much less suspect that altogether they form a whole picture. In the case of the Illuminati, that picture is sinister indeed.” (11)
Matthew explains that it was only after his election that President Obama began to see a fuller picture of the task he faced in eliminating the controllers of American society from their positions of strength.
“After assuming office, President Obama was briefed on information he had no way of knowing prior to that time, and to continue our analogy, each of the briefers had only a few puzzle pieces. Furthermore, Obama was faced with a dire global economic situation that purportedly started with ‘toxic’ mortgages in the United States, and he needed a knowledgeable, experienced team who could take immediate steps to prevent worldwide collapse.
“The enormity of the Illuminati’s economic network is known in fullness only by the peak of that group, but by connecting puzzle pieces, Obama has become aware of that entanglement and the fortunes hidden in off-shore banks, but the total picture puzzle that will show how that money has been used to manipulate and dominate the world’s peoples has yet to be put together.
“As difficult as it is to imagine the extent of organizational complexity that is the Illuminati’s base of power and influence, it is even more difficult to totally eliminate it. Discovery and legal means to rid the world of that insidious control are underway, and until all is in readiness, it would be foolhardy to make public those efforts. Thus neither the Illuminati nor the Obama camp want their respective activities to become public knowledge, and the ‘transparency’ he promised in good faith must for a while longer be ‘behind-closed-doors’ instead. As the light continues steadily intensifying and truths no longer can be hidden or denied, you will see the results of his wise course that in this moment seems to belie many of his campaign promises.” (12)
On Feb. 14, 2010, Matthew told us he was aware of our doubts about the President and pointed to how much more he could see from his vantage point.
“We know of the opinions that US President Obama is leading his country in the wrong direction, and we tell you that if only you could know how prudently and wisely he is moving behind the scenes to upset the entire Illuminati apple cart, instead of concerns about his direction, there would be rousing cheers.” (13)
He cautioned us about the impact our negative thoughts could have on Obama and other lightworkers.
“The larger purpose to be served by assuring you that Obama’s intentions are aligned with the light is of utmost importance. The energy of negative thoughts about his leadership and all other situations anywhere on Earth that are seen as worrisome is flowing out into your world and delaying effective resolutions to tumultuous happenings everywhere.” (14)
On March 29, 2010, Matthew noted that “many of you still are questioning US President Obama’s motives or leadership abilities. Therefore we will speak briefly again about this highly evolved soul who all of you agreed prior to birth would be elected to that position and lead your world into an era of peace.”
“We told you before the primary elections that he would become president, and everything we have said about him and his part of the Golden Age master plan in subsequent messages also is as accurate now as then.” (15)
He agreed with David Willcock that the motive power the wall of criticism of the President came from Republicans and the Illuminati. He realized that lightworkers were abandoning the President, assuming that smoke meant fire.
“While opposition to Obama’s direction from the Republicans in Congress en masse and some members of his own party too is public knowledge, the power behind the dissension—pressure from the Illuminati global web-work—is not. Except for readers of our messages and those from other sources within the light, it is not known that the vociferous and rancorous disagreements within the US government are not as they appear to be, a stubborn partisan bloc or inflexible ideological differences—it is the influence of the light and of the darkness being played out on the United States government stage.” (16)
On Aug. 13, 2010, Matthew answered one of his readers who asked: “Are you still convinced that US President Obama is a highly evolved lighted soul who came from an advanced civilization to lead us into the Golden Age?”
“Yes! There is no reason for us or other messengers in high stations to doubt that, but we understand why some of you do. Assessments and conclusions can only be according to information available to you. You don’t have our vantage point in the universe or our information sources, and you have no way of knowing all the undercurrents that will be ushering in your new world.” (17)
He repeated his warning about the damage being done by criticism of the President.
“Doubt about Obama’s light-filled intentions is arming his opposition — that is why we urge you to withhold judgment and to envision him and your world in golden light. Negative thoughts and feelings about Obama’s leadership are reducing his ability to persuade his own government and other leaders to act in harmonious cooperation to achieve a peaceful world with shared wealth and well being for all. This is not his failing, but rather the law of attraction in operation — negativity aimed in any direction brings back to Earth more negative situations.
“Along with vibrations intensifying the best and the worst of human traits, the law is producing divisiveness in politics, ideologies and philosophies that form all systems and organizations that regulate life in your world. Each side of any issue is blindly digging in its heels instead of giving an inch. But do not despair — that stubbornness to keep the status quo and to resist reform attempts is but one element in the picture whose full design soon will ‘come to light.’” (18)
Immediately prior to the mid-term elections of the past year, Matthew explained why he could predict Obama’s election but not that of candidates in the mid-term elections. The reason is that Obama’s election was part of the Golden Age master plan and the others are not.
“We do not know how next month’s elections in the United States will turn out, and it is logical to ask why since we could tell you even before the primaries that Obama would be that country’s new president. The difference is his presidency is part of the Golden Age master plan — you shall see that his formidable opposition’s delaying tactics and criticism will not deter him from accomplishing his light-filled mission — and the upcoming election results are not. The same is true of elections in other countries, and despite the energy poured into campaigns by candidates and their adamant supporters and wealthy contributors, partisan politics soon will start fading into history.
“Far from their pledge to govern in the best interests of a united citizenry, most politicians promote contentiousness and separation, and those have no place in Earth’s Golden Age. So please do not be despondent if your ‘party’ or ‘candidate’ loses. If winners are of the light they will hold their seats and if they are not, their tenures will be short-lived. In stages during the time remaining before the onset of that glorious Age at the end of your year 2012, governments of every nation will become bodies that honorably and abundantly serve the interests of their people. That transformation is not very far off — with everything in acceleration mode, linear time is passing faster and faster.” (19)
On Dec. 17, 2009, Matthew took a great deal of time to review President Obama’s recent decisions and reassure his readers once again. Again I quote at length so that these views may be part of the public record.
“Now then, we know that some of you are deeply disappointed about President Obama’s decision to send more troops to Afghanistan, which seems to be totally contrary to his having been chosen to receive the prestigious peace award. In this moment that may appear to be so, but in time you shall see that the committee’s selection is indeed most appropriate.
“From his beginning days in office, Obama has been confronted with powerful opposition to his godly vision for his country and a world at peace, and while never wavering one iota from his ultimate intentions, he has had to make compromises and interim decisions that are not in consonance with his vision, with messages from his soul.
“Ironically perhaps, the same energies that are inspiring gifts from the heart on an unprecedented scale also are causing those who are against all reforms to dig in their heels more stubbornly than ever; through bribery, blackmail or life-threats, the individuals who have woven the pernicious web of darkness still are calling many political shots. Obama and the members of Congress who share his vision will tenaciously pursue the liberation of their government from those self-serving ones who wish to keep it under their control.
“This is not unique to the United States, it is happening in countries throughout your world. What is occurring behind the scenes within and among governments will result in triumph for all light-filled peoples, and the dark ones in ruling bodies and every other organization that impacts life on Earth will disappear. As planetary vibrations continue to rise, those ruthless manipulators will leave; their physical bodies cannot survive without the light that they refuse to accept, and the souls will go to worlds that correspond to their lifetime energy registration.
“The soul essence of Obama is expressed in his words, and you may remember that he wisely said to believe in yourselves. When you eagerly ‘raised your hand,’ so to speak, you knew that you would experience the deception and corruption in politics, laws and the socio-economic strata, and you incarnated specifically to free your world from the destructive nature of that divisiveness and inequity.” (20)
And on Jan. 15, 2011, Matthew again referred to the fact that Barack Obama hails from a spiritually-advanced civilization to assist Earth in the plan to unveil a Golden Age on Earth.
“US President Obama’s memorial address was transmitted to us from Earth’s monitors in Nirvana. We know the soul of this man, better than he knows himself, yet without his conscious awareness that he willingly left his spiritually advanced civilization to serve in the vanguard of the Golden Age master plan, his words on that memorial occasion were from his heart and soul in concert with all the heavenly hosts.” (21)
Matthew Ward has steadfastly held that President Obama is “a major factor in the master plan.”
“Some see his administration moving boldly in new directions, others see it following the same policies as the former administration, and still others see it acting on too many fronts without well-defined objectives. To all who regard with pessimism the decisions and actions thus far, we say: Wait and see!
“Despite the formidable situations Obama inherited and the determined opposition of Illuminati members of Congress and those who are acting under that dark group’s influence, whether by bribery, blackmail or death threats to family, he will pursue his visionary course to benefit his nation and the world.” (22)
I have learned to trust Matthew’s messages over the four years that I’ve listened to them. His estimation of Barack Obama is a major factor in my own support for the President.
(Continued in Part 2.)
Footnotes
(1) See http://www.usavsus.info/.
(2) See ”David Willcock Interviews Benjamin Fulford” at http://stevebeckow.com/2010/04/03/david-wilcock-interviews-benjamin-fulford.
(3) David Wilcock to Marshall Dudley, email, Nov. 5, 2009.
(4) Passage in which Ashtar speaks in “The Third of Three Letters from Commander Hatonn,” Share11 Yahoo discussion group, Aug. 5, 2009, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Share11/files/
(5) Matthew’s Message, July 4, 2008, at http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm
(6) Matthew’s Message, Sept. 24, 2008.
(7) Matthew’s Message, Oct. 22, 2008.
(8) Matthew’s Message, Nov. 21, 2008.
(9) Loc. cit.
(10) Loc. cit.
(11) Matyhew’s Message, June 24, 2009
(12) Loc. cit.
(13) Mathew’s Message, Feb. 14, 2010
(14) Matthew’s Message, Feb. 14, 2010
(15) Matthew’s Message, March 29, 2010
(16) Loc. cit.
(17) Matthew’s Message, Aug. 13, 2010.
(18) Matthew’s Message, Aug. 13, 2010.
(19) Matthew’s Messages, Sept. 11, 2010.
(20) Matthew’s Message, Dec. 17, 2010.
(22) Matthew’s Message, Jan. 15, 2011.
(23) Matthew’s Message, March 10, 2009.
I found this here:
http://lightworkers.org/blog/128070/why-do-i-support-president-barack-obama-part-1/2

[onawah]

Why Do I Support President Barack Obama? – Part 2/2

(Continued from Part 1)
I realize that people new to this site or people who are not readers and do not believe in the existence of extraterrestrial humans will look with disbelief on me saying that I follow the messages of galactic visitors who are here to help Earth emerge from the control of a dark cabal.
You may think I’m gullible and a flake. But I reply that I think that it is you who are behind the curve and may need to change your views within a few months, when disclosure and First Contact occur.
Be that as it may, the galactic brothers and sisters who’ve been interacting with Earth for decades have saved us from depopulation, genocide, World War III, pandemics and tainted vaccines, the depredations of HAARP, false-flag or state terrorism and many other ills and crimes perpetrated on the population by the shadow states and Illuminati who’ve controlled this planet for millennia.
Uniformly they praise the character and intentions of President Barack Obama. They see through the flood of negative criticism from the elite of this country to the qualities of the man himself and call him a spiritually-advanced soul capable of leading his country out of the Dark Ages and into the Light. I second their findings.


Hatonn
Hatonn is director of interdimensional communications and commander of a fleet for the flotilla of galactic ships that are here at this time to assist us with the events leading up to Dec. 21, 2012. On Oct. 10, 2010, Hatonn turned to the subject of the President in his contribution to Matthew Ward’s message of that date. Of President Obama, Hatonn said:
“Generally speaking, people know US president Barack Obama only by what he says and what your media report. Most don’t have clue about what goes on ‘behind closed doors.’ You see stubborn partisan politics.
“We see Obama’s powerful enemies within and far beyond the government who are determined to smash to smithereens his attempts at reform. You see him looking worried and know some call him weak and say he’s leading his country in the wrong direction. We feel his pain as his efforts to improve the lives of all who are downtrodden are scuttled by a few self-servers. You see him trying to end foreign conflicts and think he should stay home and fix what’s wrong in his own country. We feel his discouragement and exhaustion as the dark ones keep stirring up trouble to dash his efforts everywhere.
“The folks you call ‘pundits’ speculate whether voters will give Obama a second term in office. We sing his praises for staying the course day after day! He has to deal with some of the very ones who threaten his life and his family’s, yet his intention to keep working for a peaceful world without poverty anywhere remains firm. You know that he and his family are protected by the Christed light grid around them, but Obama doesn’t know that.

“You know that he is a major part of the Golden Age master plan, but he doesn’t know that. He acts on his convictions, principles, aspirations and innate experience as an honored leader in a highly-evolved civilization who agreed to serve Earth in the most demanding position on the planet. If everyone could know this soul as we do, all the doubts and carping about him would come to a screeching halt and you would thank God for this man’s courage, wisdom, spiritual and moral integrity and his willingness to persevere!
“You know that your thoughts create what happens in your life, in your world, and everything you do affects everything else in this universe. So if any of you are among the carpers and doubters, stop that and start helping Obama to succeed! He’s working for you — do the same for him, yourselves, your world and our universe! You don’t have to become political activists. Just keep your hearts and minds in the right place and help others do it too. We’re in the trenches with you and we need your help—we have more than enough hindrance from the dark ones on Earth!
“I know I’ve sounded harsh, but sometimes people don’t respond until it’s ‘tough love’ time, and it is with love for you that I’ve spoken. And not just for myself and my people. I’m representing countless others who feel the same but don’t have a forum like this to express it. (1)
On Nov. 15, 2010, slightly over a month after the communication reproduced above, Hatonn said that President Obama had been made aware of the protection extended to him and his family and of the plan for Ascension. He told the author in an email via channel Suzy Ward:
“Obama now knows we have him covered and he can proceed without fear for his family’s safety and his own. Media report what they are told, of course, but the truth is, now that he knows Earth’s ascension timetable, he’s negotiating with powers that be either personally or via safe communication channels to shut down Illuminati strongholds in his country, Europe and the Orient.” (2)
So Hatonn is unequivocal in his support for President Obama, whom he sees as an integral part and player in the unfoldment of the Divine Plan for Earth’s Ascension on or before Dec. 21, 2010.


SaLusa and His Colleagues

SaLuSa says of himself that “I along with my companions represent the Galactic Federation where contact with you is concerned.” (3) SaLuSa speaks “more as the collective voice for our group, while the Galactic Federation have many individuals making contact all over the world.” (4)
SaLuSa and his colleagues express complete confidence in President Obama. He tells us that Obama is the galactics’ man, their choice, for the job of leading the so-called free world out of bondage to the cabal.
“Great responsibility lies with President Obama to trigger a number of changes that will lead to major ones that provide real answers to your mounting problems. He has our full backing and is as you might say ‘our man’ and he has as intended emerged at the right time to carry you beyond the plans of the Illuminati.” (5)
While many detractors say that Obama is continuing Bush’s policy, or indeed is worse than Bush, SaLuSa’s colleague, Ker-On of Venus, disputes this.
“The bullish approach of your last administration is to be replaced, with one of friendship and desire to broker peace throughout the world. It will come as the people exercise their power, and demand their rights to live in total peace and harmony.” (6)
SaLuSa also disputes it, telling us something that echoes what Hatonn said earlier: “Already he is making overtures to foreign powers that would otherwise be considered enemies of the Western World.
“Obama seeks peace instead of hostilities, and knows that he must build trust where previously there was nothing but confrontation. Humanity is being offered the opportunity to consign the past to your history books, and broker a new understanding between each other that leads to friendship and cooperation.” (7)
SaLuSa believes that Barack Obama is the leader who can subdue the Illuminati. On Feb. 9, 2010, he said:
“For many years the Illuminati have used their power to manipulate other countries’ affairs. It has been done through covert actions, so that their influence can bring about changes beneficial to them. The populace, who react against such illegal actions and interference in their sovereignty, knows the truth. We ask you, Dear Ones, who causes insurrection in the first place?
“Many of you understand such situations, and you look for a leader who will take note of your desire for peace with all nations. We will say again that you have a wonderful soul named Barack Obama, and he is clear in his mind as to what he wants to do given the opportunity. With your continued support he will galvanize people into action, and set the path towards a peaceful world.” (8)
SaLuSa tells us that the President is surrounded by dark souls.
“President Obama is surrounded by the dark Ones but nevertheless able to make some progress, and will continue to lay down the foundation for his final years of office. His best work is still to come and he is well aware of his destiny to lead the people out of the darkness. He is a highly spiritual soul, and will with our help and protection work with us to speedily transform your experiences, into ones of happiness and release from the draconian laws that rule your lives”. (9)
He outlines the slow, patient work Obama is doing to bring down the Illuminati:
“It will be a gradual reversal of what has gone before, and President Obama is already busy arranging the legal presentation that is necessary. It cannot be undone overnight, but will gather momentum very soon.” (10)
“You will see that he has played a patient game to take his opportunity to unseat the dark Ones, and he will use all of his authority to do so. Timing is the essence of success, and that is something we have often stressed.” (11)
SaLuSa tells us that the Galactic Federation’s main attention is given to the U.S. and that echoes Hatonn’s assertion that the galactics protect President Obama until such time as he is able to exercise full power.
“Our main focus is on the U.S.A. as it is from here that the lead must be given to the rest of the world. We see a President who has great potential and is spiritually sincere, but has not yet been able to wield the power that is his prerogative. He will bide his time until circumstances allow him to strike out, and we shall protect him against attacks on his person. Leading the Light is setting up a challenge that the dark forces fear, as it will bring people together as never before and they shall demand release from their hold.” (12)
In the later days of Obama’s administration, his actions will be firm and decisive.
“There are days to come when at a single stroke the U.S. President shall astound his critics by the changes he will authorize. No President of late has been one specifically chosen by the people, and therefore his decisions will reflect that aspect of his appointment.
“He is in any event, a highly-motivated soul bringing much wisdom and authority with him. He has a great responsibility thrust upon his shoulders, but is equal to the task.” (13)
But, he says, our support is crucial:
“Support for the new look way of governing is vital; as the dark forces will do all they can to disrupt its progress. Read carefully into reports that twist Obama’s words, as much disinformation will be circulated. Be intuitive, and measure the soul that is Obama by his intentions as expressed with wisdom and love for all people.
“He is charged with a task that holds the future of Mankind in its grasp, and it must not, and cannot fail. His emergence is one that the people of the world can take credit for, as your prayers and longing for a trusted and worthy leader to make peace a reality has been answered.” (14)
Our faith will be amply repaid, according to SaLuSa:
“There is a chorus of unsettled people who have already lost patience with President Obama, but look for the positive signs and allow for slow progress until he can draw about him the right team. The future of your world lies with him, and it is support and not criticism that is needed.”
“Your faith in him will not be found wanting, but make allowances for the task that lies ahead. He will not fail, and we are his assurance of successfully coming through this period.” (15)
I myself regard Matthew Ward, Hatonn, and SaLuSa as the most credible among the sources representing the Earth’s spiritual hierarchy and the cosmos’ Galactic Federation. Their estimation of President Obama is glowing and their support of him has been unfailing.
Their support for the President being unequivocal, so is mine. The attempts of the cabal to bury the President in a flood of criticism have lost him much support even among lightworkers but in the end they shall not deter or defeat the President.
Footnotes
(1) Hatonn in Matthew’s Message, Oct. 10, 2010, at http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm
(2) Hatonn in Suzy Ward to Steve Beckow, Nov. 15, 2010.
(3) SaLuSa, Apr. 3, 2009, at htm http://www.treeofthegoldenlight.com/First_Contact/Channeled_Messages_by_Mike_Quinsey.htm
(4) SaLuSa, Sept. 16, 2009.
(5) Loc. cit.
(6) SaLuSa, June 29, 2009.
(7) Ker-On of Venus, Jan. 21, 2009, at http://www.treeofthegoldenlight.com/First_Contact/Channeled_Messages_by_Mike_Quinsey.htm
(8) SaLuSa, Feb. 9, 2010, ibid
(9) SaLuSa, Jan. 5, 2011.
(10) SaLuSa, April 8, 2009.
(11) SaLuSa, Mar. 20, 2009.
(12) SaLuSa, June 11, 2010.
(13) Loc. cit.
(14) SaLuSa, April 8, 2009.
(15) Loc. cit.
From:
http://lightworkers.org/blog/129430/part-22-why-do-i-support-president-barack-obama

[truth4me]

Don't take this the wrong way but the GFL is BOGUS just like OBAMA and his CREW are B-O-G-U-S................Could I be wrong ? certainly! Do I think I'm wrong about Barry....excuse me OBAMA and the GFL ? no! ....let them eat :caked:

[onawah]

According to Bob Dean, The GFL is not bogus, but quite real.
While I read all channeled info with liberal helpings of salt, there is often some truth contained therein.
On this issue, as on so many, we may make as many proclamations as we like, but only time will tell.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Channeled info can be true or false (my experience) and can be modified by at least 3 layers of interpretation:
(1) interpretation by the information source
(2) interpretation by the person channeling
(3) interpretation by the person hearing the information

IMHO there are entities who will tell a thousand truths just to sell a single lie.

Channeled info can be interesting and fun but the supreme test is how does my body feel when hearing this information.

I was a fan of the Matthew material until he started praising Obama.

[spiritguide]

If Obama is the GFL golden boy responsible for all the pain and suffering that exists today, then all I can say is that the GFL is a delusional hoax. IMHO

[Ria]

Non of us, here, know ALL the ins outs of what is going on, SO jumping sides, airing our opinions this way and that could be a little foolish on our part. What has been put forward in this thread, I have heard from another source, and yet what I see in the public domain, contradicts this.
I like many here, are deeply stressed, at the plight, of what has and is going on. And yet we wont to hold the light for change. Hold the vision of our new world, bring into being the true beauty of our compassionate souls of light, love, the whole enchilada.
What we focus on we get. and the distractions are very clever.

[onawah]

Very well put, Ria. It's very easy to get lost in all the negativity and forget the Light. Some reminders can often be in order; even if they aren't exactly confirmable, it's important to realize we may not have the whole picture and that there may be possibilities we have not considered or understood fully.

[jagman]

I was always told to look at someones friends to get an idea of who a person is. ( Birds of a feather flock together)
Alan Resko, Currently serving a prison term for shady Business dealings. ( Barry bought his first home from)
William Ayers, Formerly with the weather underground movement. (He would have been convicted of 2 different bombings But the FBI Illegally wire tapped him!)
Rham dead fish Emanuel, Current mayor of Chicago ( The most politically corrupt city in the US.) Also known for chasing guys around naked in
the shower and threatening them!
Rev Wright, Need i say more.

[onawah]

This is just beating a dead horse at this point, but it has been pointed out that one of Obama's mottos is to keep his friends close, and his enemies closer, which is a kind of psychological Aikido which might, in the long run, prove to have been very effective indeed.

[Ria]

Jagman this may well be so, Do you know it for a fact? or is this disinformation? Now I have run around naked in my flat to get from A to B, shouted at the rabbit to get out from under foot [named 'tea bag'] anyone hearing that might come up with an odd idear.

[jagman]

Jagman this may well be so, Do you know it for a fact? or is this disinformation? Now I have run around naked in my flat to get from A to B, shouted at the rabbit to get out from under foot [named 'tea bag'] anyone hearing that might come up with an odd idear.

Thats funny lol

[Vrilya]

The "Ashtar Command" and the Galactic Federation of Light are two separate entities. When dealing with channeled information follow your instincts, your Higher-self knows the truth.

[Referee]

Obama and the White House are trying to link the White House Shooter Gonzales to Infowars in an attempt to demonize the media outlet.




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[Cidersomerset]

The atttacks will be coming in thick and fast now against the alternate media. Thats what all the tightening of the federal laws are all about so you can be charged easier for
expressing your views. Also Alex's links with Ron Paul and Jesse.......Big brother is here!!!!

[Aryslan]

Thanks Ref!

[jagman]

Ref, Thanks for the post. Very interesting. I use to think Alex was a little over the top, But I figured out its just his style.
Alex puts out a lot of info that the people would be unaware of .

[Vrilya]

THE "SHTF' yesterday I went to one of my homepage links and the screen went to " This Site is Currently Unavailable"
The site was www.wemustknow.net
Let me know if any of you can get it, I have alot of hinky stuff going on.....

Blessings and Love,
V

[jackovesk]

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[Lord Sidious]

Well, I disagree with the nugget from the CATO think tank.
What they can and can't do seems to be irrelevant to them.
Look at everything done in the past decade that they ''can't do'' and then tell me he is right.

[Kindred]

I have to wonder if this fits in with this post I had just made a few minutes ago?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29437-EXACT-DATE-for-the-ascension-according-to-the-Maya.-Not-12-21-12-and-not-10-28-11-&p=361313#post361313

[Fred Steeves]

Well, I disagree with the nugget from the CATO think tank.
What they can and can't do seems to be irrelevant to them.
Look at everything done in the past decade that they ''can't do'' and then tell me he is right.

Right on papa nugget, all the time something will come on the news and my wife will say something like: "They're not allowed to do that are they?" My answer's always about the same: "Sweety, they do whatever they want to do."

[modwiz]

Well, I disagree with the nugget from the CATO think tank.
What they can and can't do seems to be irrelevant to them.
Look at everything done in the past decade that they ''can't do'' and then tell me he is right.

Right on papa nugget, all the time something will come on the news and my wife will say something like: "They're not allowed to do that are they?" My answer's always about the same: "Sweety, they do whatever they want to do."

I really want to think, and will strongly intend, that what we are seeing is not what we think it is. If the O man is this light worker that some are saying he is, this could be a chess move. Not one of those opening types though. Gordon Duff, an ex-marine who runs the excellent news site Veterans Today, a site worthy of perusal by anyone not waiting for a mothership, has similar positive things to say about our president. He has all kinds of intel and spook friends too. He might be mortified to know the Galactic Federation and he are in some alignment around BO.

Fred, we Americans have some serious front row seats here. I am rooting for a good outcome as counterintuitive as it may seem. As Gandalf might have stated it, I have a fools hope.

As any good general knows, when the battle begins all plans go out the window. The NWO is all about plans, as any bottom down organization has to be. They are not stupid and it is why the battle has not been joined. That is when they will be the least powerful. Events will move faster than an organization can keep up with. Plans will go out the window. The armed American populace is a hornets nest that will be fearsome once it is whacked. They know this too.

I wonder if they know how focked they are? :playball:

[modwiz]

Something to think about: Ceausescu, the dictaster of Romania, lost his power and then was executed by the troops who refused to fire upon the people protesting his rule. One minute he ruled a country and the next minute his minutes were numbered. Historical moments like this one repeat themselves.
Something to remember as 20,000 troops are deployed for an Event. :popcorn:

[Eric J (Viking)]

Update from Alfred here...

quote...
OBAMA ON MARS Update: The trial of Bush and Blair for war crimes concluded today. After the trial, three of the defense team co-counsel sought me out because they had read the Obama on Mars article and wanted to know more about Obama on Mars and the whole Project Pegasus/ teleportation/time travel update.

This post trial conference with counsel came after a 4-day hard fought trial in which defense counsel disqualified one of our judges for bias.

Conclusion: The Obama/Mars revelations are widely read around the globe, even by young lawyers in law firms in Malaysia.

Thus the cover-up (by CIA and others) is aggressively trying to keep this information from the public.

When I return to Vancouver, BC Dec 3 I will republish the Mars/Obama article, along with other relevant articles that have been hacked by the cover-up operation. In Light, Alfred ;-)

~~~~~~~~

viking

[Fred Steeves]

Well, I disagree with the nugget from the CATO think tank.
What they can and can't do seems to be irrelevant to them.
Look at everything done in the past decade that they ''can't do'' and then tell me he is right.

Right on papa nugget, all the time something will come on the news and my wife will say something like: "They're not allowed to do that are they?" My answer's always about the same: "Sweety, they do whatever they want to do."

I really want to think, and will strongly intend, that what we are seeing is not what we think it is. If the O man is this light worker that some are saying he is, this could be a chess move. Not one of those opening types though. Gordon Duff, an ex-marine who runs the excellent news site Veterans Today, a site worthy of perusal by anyone not waiting for a mothership, has similar positive things to say about our president. He has all kinds of intel and spook friends too. He might be mortified to know the Galactic Federation and he are in some alignment around BO.

Fred, we Americans have some serious front row seats here. I am rooting for a good outcome as counterintuitive as it may seem. As Gandalf might have stated it, I have a fools hope.

As any good general knows, when the battle begins all plans go out the window. The NWO is all about plans, as any bottom down organization has to be. They are not stupid and it is why the battle has not been joined. That is when they will be the least powerful. Events will move faster than an organization can keep up with. Plans will go out the window. The armed American populace is a hornets nest that will be fearsome once it is whacked. They know this too.

I wonder if they know how focked they are? :playball:

That last line sums it up there brother, that's why I'm prone to saying "let the four winds blow". Whenever you guys think you're finally good and ready for whatever it is you think is gonna happen, just say the word and we'll play...It just may not be the game they were prepared for...Let's see, finite consciousness trying to corral infinite consciousness, bets anyone?

Maybe we could refer to it as this: A fool's hope waiting on a fool's errand.

As an addendum, I don't buy the BO lightworker thing for a second.

Cheers,
Fred

[Eagle]

My friends all it will take is one more tipping point for the US to go into Martial Law and then the deed will be done, I do not say this as a dooms day event but rather another step to total control. and it will be for our own benefit(not)

[modwiz]

Well, I disagree with the nugget from the CATO think tank.
What they can and can't do seems to be irrelevant to them.
Look at everything done in the past decade that they ''can't do'' and then tell me he is right.

Right on papa nugget, all the time something will come on the news and my wife will say something like: "They're not allowed to do that are they?" My answer's always about the same: "Sweety, they do whatever they want to do."

I really want to think, and will strongly intend, that what we are seeing is not what we think it is. If the O man is this light worker that some are saying he is, this could be a chess move. Not one of those opening types though. Gordon Duff, an ex-marine who runs the excellent news site Veterans Today, a site worthy of perusal by anyone not waiting for a mothership, has similar positive things to say about our president. He has all kinds of intel and spook friends too. He might be mortified to know the Galactic Federation and he are in some alignment around BO.

Fred, we Americans have some serious front row seats here. I am rooting for a good outcome as counterintuitive as it may seem. As Gandalf might have stated it, I have a fools hope.

As any good general knows, when the battle begins all plans go out the window. The NWO is all about plans, as any bottom down organization has to be. They are not stupid and it is why the battle has not been joined. That is when they will be the least powerful. Events will move faster than an organization can keep up with. Plans will go out the window. The armed American populace is a hornets nest that will be fearsome once it is whacked. They know this too.

I wonder if they know how focked they are? :playball:

That last line sums it up there brother, that's why I'm prone to saying "let the four winds blow". Whenever you guys think you're finally good and ready for whatever it is you think is gonna happen, just say the word and we'll play...It just may not be the game they were prepared for...Let's see, finite consciousness trying to corral infinite consciousness, bets anyone?

Maybe we could refer to it as this: A fool's hope waiting on a fool's errand.

As an addendum, I don't buy the BO lightworker thing for a second.

Cheers,
Fred

OK. So for you, BO=Body Odor. Which means he doesn't pass your sniff test. :faint:

[kathymarie]

Thanks for the smiles, Fred and modwiz...I'm with Fred here....I see very no evidence (talking the talk doesn't count) of him being a lightworker at all.

[modwiz]

Thanks for the smiles, Fred and modwiz...I'm with Fred here....I see very no evidence (talking the talk doesn't count) of him being a lightworker at all.

Neither do I. I do consider the source of my evidence though. The media, controlled by people who hate him. I have to figure that will account for some distortion of light. I have wobbled myself. He was looking like a urinal to me for a good while. I'm done voting though. Our prisons are going to have to fill up with a new kind of inmate before I'll believe elections are honest. There are a lot of non-violent, political/tax/drug inmates that could be released to make room for them too.

[Coaxial]

My friends all it will take is one more tipping point for the US to go into Martial Law and then the deed will be done, I do not say this as a dooms day event but rather another step to total control. and it will be for our own benefit(not)

I'm inclined to agree with you Dig, Fred also makes a valid point! I have 3 sons in the military and I know in my heart without a doubt they would follow what they know is right. A armed population is a hornets nest, but piss of a force recon marine and you have a southern red wasp that will stop at nothing to deliver justice!

Fred S could probably attest to the respect a red wasp deserves! (S. Florida)

[music]

Obama was given credit for the second death of Bin Laden to keep him in power because he is a powerful force preventing civil uprising by people who are unaware that he is in it up to his elbows, and he has not yet fully served his function as pawn.

Martial law? The first things down would be all coms. A soldier, no matter how noble, would have a hard time knowing what is what. It is in this state of confusion that the value of repetitive training, and the fostering of blind obedience, come into their own.

[Operator]

There is a lot of programming going around the theme of "Event".

I don't think there will be an "Event" ... How much dates are predicted and then pass by ?
It's not in their interest to have an event ... you boil the frog by slowly increasing the heat.
So it's a gradual period like thing.

What's more likely is that there will be a crossing of a threshold, like modwiz mentioned about Ceausescu ...
The situation flips and changes instantly from one minute to the other ...

It cannot be predicted ... however it can be anticipated !

[Fred Steeves]

Thanks for the smiles, Fred and modwiz...I'm with Fred here....I see very no evidence (talking the talk doesn't count) of him being a lightworker at all.

One more thing on Obama real quick. Of all our recent crooked presidents since, say Kennedy, I hold Obama the least responsible for his actions, as I think it's very likely he's a hapless MKultra victim. Mind you it still pisses me of to see his smug mug on t.v., but I try to keep this in mind.

One more thing I wanted to add, as the talk has gotten into the realm of guns and hornet nests.(And yes Coaxial, I know well the wrath of Florida wasps!:ohwell:) Not to rehash the great gun debate, but being a gun owner myself, I have the "fool's hope"(thank you modwiz) that this thing can, and will be turned on it's head without so much as firing a shot. We need to really think about thinking big, and expecting big. Dare I say ridiculously big?

If this turns into scenes of running gun battles in the streets and such, it's game over as far as I'm concerned, we done f**ked something up. Try it again next cycle around, cause the good guys lost...Again. Not that I wouldn't pull out all the stops to defend my family if forced to, because I certainly would, but I get the same feeling about this as I got as a kid about doing the Christianity thing. Been there, done that. It didn't work out well, so don't do it again.

Cheers,
Fred

[Lord Sidious]

Something to think about: Ceausescu, the dictaster of Romania, lost his power and then was executed by the troops who refused to fire upon the people protesting his rule. One minute he ruled a country and the next minute his minutes were numbered. Historical moments like this one repeat themselves.
Something to remember as 20,000 troops are deployed for an Event. :popcorn:

Whilst what you say is true, was this the hidden hand again?
Like Sarajevo, June 28, 1914.


My friends all it will take is one more tipping point for the US to go into Martial Law and then the deed will be done, I do not say this as a dooms day event but rather another step to total control. and it will be for our own benefit(not)

Maybe not for our benefit but TO our benefit.
The sooner the average nugget feels the squeeze, the sooner the numbers of people who want change swells.


There is a lot of programming going around the theme of "Event".

I don't think there will be an "Event" ... How much dates are predicted and then pass by ?
It's not in their interest to have an event ... you boil the frog by slowly increasing the heat.
So it's a gradual period like thing.

What's more likely is that there will be a crossing of a threshold, like modwiz mentioned about Ceausescu ...
The situation flips and changes instantly from one minute to the other ...

It cannot be predicted ... however it can be anticipated !

Things aren't date driven, they are event driven.
If one thing in the chain doesn't happen or happens late, then the plan is put back a bit.

[modwiz]

Lord Sid I was hoping you would've caught my intentional spelling error in this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35257-Obama-deploying--20-000--troops-inside-U.S.-to-prepare-for-Event-..&p=361344&viewfull=1#post361344

Hint: The word starts with the letter D.

[Eagle]

A key factor here is control, when Martial Law is declared at that time National Guard troops become Federalized and no longer fall under State Control, people lose the rights of assembly, trial by peers, free speech, freedom of the press, and Innocent until proven guilty, just to name a few. Lord is right in the fact that until it affects everyone it is of no concern.

[Fred Steeves]

Lord Sid I was hoping you would've caught my intentional spelling error in this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35257-Obama-deploying--20-000--troops-inside-U.S.-to-prepare-for-Event-..&p=361344&viewfull=1#post361344

Hint: The word starts with the letter D.

Thank you for pointing out that little hidden gem modwiz, I missed it too. You're on a roll today aren't you?

[Eagle]

Lord Sid I was hoping you would've caught my intentional spelling error in this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35257-Obama-deploying--20-000--troops-inside-U.S.-to-prepare-for-Event-..&p=361344&viewfull=1#post361344

Hint: The word starts with the letter D.

Not hard to miss that one, when you find it

[modwiz]

Thanks for the smiles, Fred and modwiz...I'm with Fred here....I see very no evidence (talking the talk doesn't count) of him being a lightworker at all.

One more thing on Obama real quick. Of all our recent crooked presidents since, say Kennedy, I hold Obama the least responsible for his actions, as I think it's very likely he's a hapless MKultra victim. Mind you it still pisses me of to see his smug mug on t.v., but I try to keep this in mind.

One more thing I wanted to add, as the talk has gotten into the realm of guns and hornet nests.(And yes Coaxial, I know well the wrath of Florida wasps!:ohwell:) Not to rehash the great gun debate, but being a gun owner myself, I have the "fool's hope"(thank you modwiz) that this thing can, and will be turned on it's head without so much as firing a shot. We need to really think about thinking big, and expecting big. Dare I say ridiculously big?

If this turns into scenes of running gun battles in the streets and such, it's game over as far as I'm concerned, we done f**ked something up. Try it again next cycle around, cause the good guys lost...Again. Not that I wouldn't pull out all the stops to defend my family if forced to, because I certainly would, but I get the same feeling about this as I got as a kid about doing the Christianity thing. Been there, done that. It didn't work out well, so don't do it again.

Cheers,
Fred

Totally agreed here, Fred. This has to be a combination of MAD and a Mexican standoff. Soiled underwear but no bodies. It takes people ready to push a button or pull a trigger, but the desire to do so cannot be a part of the plan. I've said it before, this is a psychological war. We are dealing with bullies and smarmy pricks. The biggest part of this psychology is our own ability, as a people, to organically self organize into a 'Giant" that will swallow up anything that poses a threat to the common good of the organism. We have to become our own immune system and the most crucial part of it is being able to 'see' the 'pathogens', know what the threat is. Right now we have been operating like a body with an auto-immune disease. The left/right and conservative/liberal BS is just confusion to throw off the immune system...us.

As John Lennon sang in "Instant Karma", :note: "Better recognize your brother, Everyone you meet".:note:

Ever meet a CEO of a Megacorp or Bankster just walking down the street?

I really want to see better flanking techniques from crowds. They need to learn them and adjust to the situation with some awareness. This way there are no leaders to remove and cripple the organization. People at the rear and flanks have to share intel about where the cops are and make sure they surround them and make them feel insecure and, most importantly, vastly outnumbered by an organized group.

We have to out think these trolls and it doesn't take much. They are screened for intelligence and the smart ones removed to keep inquiring minds to a minimum.

[modwiz]

A key factor here is control, when Martial Law is declared at that time National Guard troops become Federalized and no longer fall under State Control, people lose the rights of assembly, trial by peers, free speech, freedom of the press, and Innocent until proven guilty, just to name a few. Lord is right in the fact that until it affects everyone it is of no concern.

Doesn't the Second Amendment guarantee the right of assembly?

[Eagle]

A key factor here is control, when Martial Law is declared at that time National Guard troops become Federalized and no longer fall under State Control, people lose the rights of assembly, trial by peers, free speech, freedom of the press, and Innocent until proven guilty, just to name a few. Lord is right in the fact that until it affects everyone it is of no concern.

Doesn't the Second Amendment guarantee the right of assembly?

Under M.L. your Constitutional rights are suspended especially if it considered threatening to National Security. At that point anyone can be considered a Terrorist!

[Operator]

Lord Sid I was hoping you would've caught my intentional spelling error in this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35257-Obama-deploying--20-000--troops-inside-U.S.-to-prepare-for-Event-..&p=361344&viewfull=1#post361344

Hint: The word starts with the letter D.

If you replace 2 letters with an s you get an applicable word too .... I thought it was a deliberate combination of those words ...
So you discovered a new word !

[modwiz]

A key factor here is control, when Martial Law is declared at that time National Guard troops become Federalized and no longer fall under State Control, people lose the rights of assembly, trial by peers, free speech, freedom of the press, and Innocent until proven guilty, just to name a few. Lord is right in the fact that until it affects everyone it is of no concern.

Doesn't the Second Amendment guarantee the right of assembly?

Under M.L. your Constitutional rights are suspended especially if it considered threatening to National Security. At that point anyone can be considered a Terrorist!

A nice theory on paper and against a few individuals, but in the field with the hornets swarming and stingers ready, theories start to look like plans when battles begin. Useless.

We come down to the ability to self organize, no leaders. Hornets don't have generals and the are painfully effective as a deterrent.
This is a straw and camels' back scenario.

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sid I was hoping you would've caught my intentional spelling error in this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35257-Obama-deploying--20-000--troops-inside-U.S.-to-prepare-for-Event-..&p=361344&viewfull=1#post361344

Hint: The word starts with the letter D.

:eek:
I am shocked.



A key factor here is control, when Martial Law is declared at that time National Guard troops become Federalized and no longer fall under State Control, people lose the rights of assembly, trial by peers, free speech, freedom of the press, and Innocent until proven guilty, just to name a few. Lord is right in the fact that until it affects everyone it is of no concern.

How many of those do you actually still have, rather than just theoretically?




Thank you for pointing out that little hidden gem modwiz, I missed it too. You're on a roll today aren't you?

Probably a swiss roll.



A key factor here is control, when Martial Law is declared at that time National Guard troops become Federalized and no longer fall under State Control, people lose the rights of assembly, trial by peers, free speech, freedom of the press, and Innocent until proven guilty, just to name a few. Lord is right in the fact that until it affects everyone it is of no concern.

Doesn't the Second Amendment guarantee the right of assembly?

Nope, numero uno is that one.
The second is for those with a backbone to enforce numero uno.
Not many of those around these days, it seems.

[modwiz]

Lord Sid I was hoping you would've caught my intentional spelling error in this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35257-Obama-deploying--20-000--troops-inside-U.S.-to-prepare-for-Event-..&p=361344&viewfull=1#post361344

Hint: The word starts with the letter D.

If you replace 2 letters with an s you get an applicable word too .... I thought it was a deliberate combination of those words ...
So you discovered a new word !

Yes you do and, it was.

I was opting for some decorum and effort from the reader. A little word play.

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Lord Sid I was hoping you would've caught my intentional spelling error in this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35257-Obama-deploying--20-000--troops-inside-U.S.-to-prepare-for-Event-..&p=361344&viewfull=1#post361344

Hint: The word starts with the letter D.

:eek:
I am shocked.



A key factor here is control, when Martial Law is declared at that time National Guard troops become Federalized and no longer fall under State Control, people lose the rights of assembly, trial by peers, free speech, freedom of the press, and Innocent until proven guilty, just to name a few. Lord is right in the fact that until it affects everyone it is of no concern.

How many of those do you actually still have, rather than just theoretically?




Thank you for pointing out that little hidden gem modwiz, I missed it too. You're on a roll today aren't you?

Probably a swiss roll.



A key factor here is control, when Martial Law is declared at that time National Guard troops become Federalized and no longer fall under State Control, people lose the rights of assembly, trial by peers, free speech, freedom of the press, and Innocent until proven guilty, just to name a few. Lord is right in the fact that until it affects everyone it is of no concern.

Doesn't the Second Amendment guarantee the right of assembly?

Nope, numero uno is that one.
The second is for those with a backbone to enforce numero uno.
Not many of those around these days, it seems.

Yes, correct on both points.

[Arrowwind]

So what would then be the total amount of troops in the US? at 20,000 thats less than 500 per state.

When will we teach our sons and daughters not to support war, not to enlist? not to turn on one's own.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

[Maia Gabrial]

Sounds to me as though Obama is begging for impeachment....

[Cartomancer]

This 20,000 American troops is nothing compared to the number of UN troops that are in the US at any given time for "training" purposes. Add to that the fact that the US armed services has recruiting depots in all of the former eastern bloc countries and Central America you have a hefty number of people that would not hesitate to cap an American in the case of civil unrest. This is one of the reasons the British hired Hessian mercenaries to come in and get the tar kicked out of them.

I saw this coming almost three years ago when all of the local police and sheriff's deptartment's started getting riot gear and automatic weapons from the federal govt. Not to mention that most police forces in the US now have a Homeland Security adviser attached. A fed in your local police making sure they are getting their money out of the riot gear and assault vehicles. Look into it and you will see I am telling the truth. This stuff is not for terrorists...................It's for us.

I notice the OWS crowd has banned conspiracy theories from their so called platform. They are now demonizing truthers, Libertarians, and Alex Jones as "Nazis." OWS is nothing but a contrived pile meant to steer you towards less damaging "protests" and "civil unrest." They are even guiding their own opposition here people. Non-compliance with the system is the way to go. Gandhi not guns.

[jagman]

When Greece and Italy, Ireland financially fail ( which will be relatively soon!) It will send out a giant shock wave! And the United States
along with the rest of the World will fall into a depression & Chaos will result! So they will justify the use of Martial Law to restore order!
Just a theory

[Decibellistics]

I don't think the troop number is what we should be focusing on. It's the weaponry. A 20,000 manned army can easily be doubled in strength based strictly on the weapons they are using. For instance an M240 machine gun fires somewhere around 750-950 rounds per minute. that alone i think puts it into perspective. I really don't think Americans have the arms to be able to deal with 1,000 guys with machine guns, who have been trained in tactical operations and killing people efficiently. I'm all for a revolt.....but there will be many dead people at the end of it. The U.S. Civil War I believe is still the highest recorded number of war casualties in modern history........I may be mistaken. The only way we would be able to take over would be if the military joined our side........and in that case we are doomed because then a military dictatorship would come into power......i.e. Nazi Germany esque situation. I at this point would rather eat tacos with my family and enjoy laughter instead of focusing on these ****tards.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Lol! That guy from the liberal think tank says there's no problem with an increase in military force inside the country oppressing the US's own citizens. Stooge.

They said they would be there to respond to "a mass terrorist event" (unlikely) or "civil unrest due to economic collapse" (almost certain). In other words, we have to ensure the bankers are protected from the cattle farm when the cows have had enough.

[modwiz]

I don't think the troop number is what we should be focusing on. It's the weaponry. A 20,000 manned army can easily be doubled in strength based strictly on the weapons they are using. For instance an M240 machine gun fires somewhere around 750-950 rounds per minute. that alone i think puts it into perspective. I really don't think Americans have the arms to be able to deal with 1,000 guys with machine guns, who have been trained in tactical operations and killing people efficiently. I'm all for a revolt.....but there will be many dead people at the end of it. The U.S. Civil War I believe is still the highest recorded number of war casualties in modern history........I may be mistaken. The only way we would be able to take over would be if the military joined our side........and in that case we are doomed because then a military dictatorship would come into power......i.e. Nazi Germany esque situation. I at this point would rather eat tacos with my family and enjoy laughter instead of focusing on these ****tards.

I am sorry, but your pessimism creates an energy suckhole. You mentally overcome one obstacle to insert another. I am sure you feel you are being realistic. The only real part about it is, you really did think it.

Enjoy your tacos and family. There may not be much time left. Laughter is a beautiful thing, something the dark energies planning our demise find poisonous. Laugh hard and hearty and we will all benefit.

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Lol! That guy from the liberal think tank says there's no problem with an increase in military force inside the country oppressing the US's own citizens. Stooge.

They said they would be there to respond to "a mass terrorist event" (unlikely) or "civil unrest due to economic collapse" (almost certain). In other words, we have to ensure the bankers are protected from the cattle farm when the cows have had enough.

Doublespeak for American waking up En Masse.

[Decibellistics]

Your right mod.......my pessimism lies in physicality......but my optimism resides in spirit. I suppose my point was that if you're going to deal with it in physicality......those are concepts people may want to consider. As for me.........i'll feed em their poison another way. Love ya'll

[Fred Steeves]

I mentioned a ways back the idea of thinking big for good things to happen. This small example I show here rates very low on my scale of pleasant surprises, but it's atleast in the right direction:

The worst has happened. Said named event(excuse) has occured, and for the sake of national security, the media is blaring the news that the president has declared martial law is being implemented nationwide. For the safety of all good Americans, I.D. papers, along with proof of residence must be carried at all times for checkpoints, and gun confiscation is to commence immediately.

Two days later your dogs alert you to a convoy of approximately 50 armored personel carriers and humvees chock full of U.S. Marines taking up positions around your neighborhood. "Awe sh!t" you mumble to yourself, "here we f*****g go". It's crazyville right? Is this REALLY about to happen? Did you ever in your wildest nightmares as a kid ever contemplate that one day down the road, you would be forced into the position of either firing on U.S. military to defend your tattered remains of freedom and probably be blown to bits, or become a total slave on bended knee?

Your mind races for answers or courage as a squad of 20 burly Marines makes their way door to door towards your house. Not a shot has been fired yet, but you assume it's because all of those people you've shared casual evening beers with in better and happier days gone by have meekly acquiesced.

You decide that you are going to die with honor, with your wife hidden deep in a closet. You are going to be looking the first poor kid you shoot square in the eyes as you pull the trigger. He and his gravely misguided buddies are going to realize that not every American is going to give up so easily. Then, as you watch them approach your front door through a crack in the blinds, you wonder idly why they are so careless as to not have their weapons drawn.

You answer the knock with a cocked .45 aimed directly between the eyes of the young lieutenant, and grimly inform him that in order to take my guns, at least TWO of us are going to die very soon. The superbly trained young lieutenant does not flinch, but proceeds to set your mind and your senses reeling yet again by looking you right back dead in the eye, and saying the following: "Sir, we are NOT here to take away a United States citizen's right to self defense, so please stand down". Stunned, you do, but cautiously as he continues " we are here as a representation of a much larger force of the U.S. military to inform the citizenry that a hostile takeover of these United States of America HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED! We are here to keep the peace, with your help, until these treasonous criminals have been identified and incarcerated, along with ANYONE in the armed forces or police who was part of the plot. And most of all SIR, we want to convey to you, and everyone you have contact with, that you ARE amongst friends."

[13th Warrior]

You should be thinking more militarily tactically minded.

Any military incursion with ground based troops is always preceded by a softening of the target; traditionally this has been done through the big guns and airborne ordinance.

In the case of the US, the softening of the target will occur as a man made natural phenomenon(s) as set by the New Orleans precedent.

The US is a huge target that will require unprecedented softening in order for a full scale military invasion to have any chance of success...

[Eric J (Viking)]

Same trial...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ftC7vTXkJU&feature=player_embedded

viking

[music]

Fred, I agree with you re Obama most likely being MK ultra-ed. I couldn't make up my mind between fear-driven blackmail or mind control for a while, but a close look at his eyes reveals a vacancy that is somewhat less then human.

[modwiz]

I mentioned a ways back the idea of thinking big for good things to happen. This small example I show here rates very low on my scale of pleasant surprises, but it's atleast in the right direction:

The worst has happened. Said named event(excuse) has occured, and for the sake of national security, the media is blaring the news that the president has declared martial law is being implemented nationwide. For the safety of all good Americans, I.D. papers, along with proof of residence must be carried at all times for checkpoints, and gun confiscation is to commence immediately.

Two days later your dogs alert you to a convoy of approximately 50 armored personel carriers and humvees chock full of U.S. Marines taking up positions around your neighborhood. "Awe sh!t" you mumble to yourself, "here we f*****g go". It's crazyville right? Is this REALLY about to happen? Did you ever in your wildest nightmares as a kid ever contemplate that one day down the road, you would be forced into the position of either firing on U.S. military to defend your tattered remains of freedom and probably be blown to bits, or become a total slave on bended knee?

Your mind races for answers or courage as a squad of 20 burly Marines makes their way door to door towards your house. Not a shot has been fired yet, but you assume it's because all of those people you've shared casual evening beers with in better and happier days gone by have meekly acquiesced.

You decide that you are going to die with honor, with your wife hidden deep in a closet. You are going to be looking the first poor kid you shoot square in the eyes as you pull the trigger. He and his gravely misguided buddies are going to realize that not every American is going to give up so easily. Then, as you watch them approach your front door through a crack in the blinds, you wonder idly why they are so careless as to not have their weapons drawn.

You answer the knock with a cocked .45 aimed directly between the eyes of the young lieutenant, and grimly inform him that in order to take my guns, at least TWO of us are going to die very soon. The superbly trained young lieutenant does not flinch, but proceeds to set your mind and your senses reeling yet again by looking you right back dead in the eye, and saying the following: "Sir, we are NOT here to take away a United States citizen's right to self defense, so please stand down". Stunned, you do, but cautiously as he continues " we are here as a representation of a much larger force of the U.S. military to inform the citizenry that a hostile takeover of these United States of America HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED! We are here to keep the peace, with your help, until these treasonous criminals have been identified and incarcerated, along with ANYONE in the armed forces or police who was part of the plot. And most of all SIR, we want to convey to you, and everyone you have contact with, that you ARE amongst friends."

I saw that ending coming, brother. Great scenario and morale booster. If we were in the same space, I'd give you a big man hug.

[meeradas]

I saw that ending coming, brother. Great scenario and morale booster. If we were in the same space, I'd give you a big man hug.

I am joining!

[Lord Sidious]

You should be thinking more militarily tactically minded.

Any military incursion with ground based troops is always preceded by a softening of the target; traditionally this has been done through the big guns and airborne ordinance.

In the case of the US, the softening of the target will occur as a man made natural phenomenon(s) as set by the New Orleans precedent.

The US is a huge target that will require unprecedented softening in order for a full scale military invasion to have any chance of success...

They have been softening the us target for decades.
Have you seen the condition, both physical and mental of the average street skulker in America today?

[toad]

At first I though the only reporting of this was done from an RT outlet, but as I looked deeper there seems to be more reporting stemming back a few months, even in 2008. There does seem to be something brewing up with the testing of the EmergancyNetwork, and various other coincidences. It seems they are gearing up for unrest as we've seen threwout the world, in Egypt/Syria/Spain/Italy/Greece/UK/Lybia, all with the exception of Spain have been very violent in nature. In America, we are pretty numb to alot of things, atleast the vast majority of us are, it is going to take something highly catastrophic to really wake us up, and to get a real revolution going.

I feel we truly are at a turning point in this country.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Great posts on this thread, thank you all.

Some points to ponder from recently viewed videos:

1) 90% of Iraqis were armed prior to the 2003 invasion

2) In an interview of former Senator Mike Gravel, he stated that (in reference to uprisings in the US) the stronger the resistance, the greater the crushing

3) The police state in the US was setup to avoid the declaration of martial law. (Wouldn't ML wake up most of the sleepers?)

[13th Warrior]

You should be thinking more militarily tactically minded.

Any military incursion with ground based troops is always preceded by a softening of the target; traditionally this has been done through the big guns and airborne ordinance.

In the case of the US, the softening of the target will occur as a man made natural phenomenon(s) as set by the New Orleans precedent.

The US is a huge target that will require unprecedented softening in order for a full scale military invasion to have any chance of success...

They have been softening the us target for decades.
Have you seen the condition, both physical and mental of the average street skulker in America today?

Ha! I hadn't considered that kind of "softening"...there are still plenty of, fit, able and armed.

[jackovesk]

Heroic Russian News Anchor Gives Middle Finger To Obama

Russian News Anchor Gives Middle Finger Salute While Mentioning Obama

During a news broadcast on Russian TV, an anchor (Tatiana Limanova) was speaking about Russian President Dmitry Medvedev’s appearance at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit. Shortly after, the anchor mentions U.S. President Barack Obama’s involvement with APEC — the only odd thing to note, however, is that she says Obama’s name while simultaneously saluting with her middle finger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhESdfIlAO8&feature=player_embedded

http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/11/russian-news-anchor-gives-middle-finger.html

PS - Bravo (Comrade) Bravo..!

:clap2:

Encore: One More Time...(Just in case you Missed It)...

11494

:yo:

[christian]

http://www.pakalertpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/New-Obama-Law-Warned-Will-Jail-500000-Americans.jpg


Foreign Ministry reports circulating in the Kremlin today are warning that an already explosive situation in the United States is about to get a whole lot worse as a new law put forth by President Obama is said capable of seeing up to 500,000 American citizens jailed for the crime of opposing their government.

Sparking the concern of Russian diplomats over the growing totalitarian bent of the Obama government is the planned reintroduction of what these reports call one of the most draconian laws ever introduced in a free society that is titled “The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act”.

First introduced in the US Congress in 2007 by Democratic Representative Jane Harmon, this new law passed the US House of Representatives by a secretive voice vote, but failed to pass the US Senate, after which it was believed dead until this past week when it was embraced by Obama who became the first American President to name his own citizens as a threat to his Nations security.
In what is called the National Security Strategy document, that is required of US Presidents by their Congress, that embraces the dictatorial ideals of the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act”, Obama has ordered his Federal police and intelligence forces to begin targeting Americans opposed to him and his radical socialist polices.
Obama’s top counter-terrorism advisor, John Brennan, in speaking to reporters about this new “strategy” says it makes the problem of home-grown terrorists a top priority because an increasing number of individuals in the US have become “captivated by extremist ideology or causes.”

“The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act” is only a couple of pages long, it's right here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955

I have no idea, how the author of the article comes up with 500,000.

The bill always refers to violent radicalization, who wants violence anyways? Also the bill states in its very last section:

The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.
Maybe I'm just to dull to understand the true implications of the law, but when I read it, it sounded not utterly draconian. However, I suppose, the danger of the law is what the then formed 'National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism' will come up with as solutions to prevent homegrown terrorism. Then I expect to hear calls to censor and take away civil liberties.

Read the full article here: http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/11/18/new-obama-law-warned-will-jail-500000-americans/

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Hmmmmmmm, interesting.
Meme of the week?

More of the same in South Africa
:censored::tape2:




Black Tuesday: Secrecy Bill passed in Parliament


When the Bill reappeared, its provisions were even more draconian than before. The new draft sought to create a law that would allow any organ of state, from the largest government department down to the smallest municipality, to classify any document as secret and set out harsh penalties of up to 25 years in jail for whistleblowers.

Article (http://mg.co.za/article/2011-11-22-black-tuesday-secrecy-bill-passed-by-parliament)



South African lawmakers approve 'secrecy bill' to protect state
ANC majority vote pushes controversial bill, which could outlaw whistleblowers and dilute public interest rights, to upper house

Article
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/22/south-african-law-approves-secrecy?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487)



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http://i39.tinypic.com/2ajdu08.jpg

[G.A]

The problem with any law is that it is open to interpretation by those in power. Without a clearly worded definition of what a home grown terrorist is, its up in the air who they want to place that label on. Opposed to Obama? You're a home grown terrorist. Listen to people like David Icke and Alex Jones? To the slammer you go. Now couple this with the other laws that deny rights or trial to terrorists and you're lookin at a pretty bleak outcome.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi :)

I think it's a hoax... "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" makes no tangible acronym:
TVRHTPA?!

Take for example this real thing:
"Uniting (and) Strengthening America (by) Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001"
which acronymised is this:
USA PATRIOT ACT

Or TARP: "Troubled Asset Relief Program " ;)

And the info comes from KGB/FSB. A corporation with long history of silencing dissenters...
In Poland we had SB (Służba Bezpieczeństwa - Security Service) with known ties to mafia
underwolrd...

[Calz]

Ran a thread on what I expect is the same law (and other related tidbits).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35180-Fascist-Police-State-Rears-It-s-Ugly-Head


Have not been on for a couple days so forgive me if this has been posted already.

Important to take note of ... was distributed by James Gilliland.



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[Blueskywalking]

Just be aware that this is a Sorcha Faal article with an original post date of May 28th 2010.
www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1376.htm

As with any Sorcha Faal article take it with liberal doses of salt, perform an exorcism on it, and generally look for a single living fact amidst all the fear porn.

Google "sorcha faal cia"

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Oops...

Americans! Put on orange dwarf suits and go to the streets :) They will have to arrest thousands of dwarfs ;) Ridicule them :) Laughter and joy is more powerful than anger or resentment :) We Poles did it to our communist government in 80s (regrettably with a little help from the CIA :( ). This dwarf protests are covered in the middle of this video: (WARNING: LOUD ROCK MUSIC)
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It is called "Pomarańczowa Alternatywa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Alternative)" in Poland (Orange Alternative)...

[Calz]

Sorcha or not here is the text (from link in OP).

Notice the date 2007 so this isn't new. The proposed law mentioned in the vid (post # 5) for the thread must be something else (I cannot verify right now because I cannot access videos from where I am at).

____________________________

Oct 24, 2007 - Referred in Senate. This is the text of the bill after moving from the House to the Senate before being considered by Senate committees. This is the latest version of the bill currently available on GovTrack.

HR 1955 RFS

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1955

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

October 24, 2007

Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AN ACT

To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

(a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:

Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism

SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

For purposes of this subtitle:

(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

The Congress finds the following:

(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.

(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.

(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.

(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.

(6) Preventing the potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily accomplished solely through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and can benefit from the incorporation of State and local efforts.

(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.

(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.

SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.

(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.

(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:

(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.

(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--

(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;

(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and

(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.

(c) Composition of Commission- The Commission shall be composed of 10 members appointed for the life of the Commission, of whom--

(1) one member shall be appointed by the President from among officers or employees of the executive branch and private citizens of the United States;

(2) one member shall be appointed by the Secretary;

(3) one member shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate;

(4) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate;

(5) one member shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;

(6) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives;

(7) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;

(8) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;

(9) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate; and

(10) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.

(d) Chair and Vice Chair- The Commission shall elect a Chair and a Vice Chair from among its members.

(e) Qualifications- Individuals shall be selected for appointment to the Commission solely on the basis of their professional qualifications, achievements, public stature, experience, and expertise in relevant fields, including, but not limited to, behavioral science, constitutional law, corrections, counterterrorism, cultural anthropology, education, information technology, intelligence, juvenile justice, local law enforcement, organized crime, Islam and other world religions, sociology, or terrorism.

(f) Deadline for Appointment- All members of the Commission shall be appointed no later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this subtitle.

(g) Quorum and Meetings- The Commission shall meet and begin the operations of the Commission not later than 30 days after the date on which all members have been appointed or, if such meeting cannot be mutually agreed upon, on a date designated by the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Each subsequent meeting shall occur upon the call of the Chair or a majority of its members. A majority of the members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number may hold meetings.

(h) Authority of Individuals to Act for Commission- Any member of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action that the Commission is authorized to take under this Act.

(i) Powers of Commission- The powers of the Commission shall be as follows:

(1) IN GENERAL-

(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Commission or, on the authority of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out this section, hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties.

(B) CONTRACTING- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties under this section.

(2) INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES-

(A) IN GENERAL- The Commission may request directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this section. The head of each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent practicable and authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request made by the Chair of the Commission, by the chair of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Commission, or by any member designated by a majority of the Commission.

(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION- The Committee and its staff shall receive, handle, store, and disseminate information in a manner consistent with the operative statutes, regulations, and Executive orders that govern the handling, storage, and dissemination of such information at the department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality that responds to the request.

(j) Assistance From Federal Agencies-

(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION- The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Commission's functions.

(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance required under paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, and staff as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.

(k) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.

(l) Nonapplicability of Federal Advisory Committee Act- The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not apply to the Commission.

(m) Public Meetings-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate.

(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order including subsection (i)(2)(B).

(n) Staff of Commission-

(1) APPOINTMENT AND COMPENSATION- The Chair of the Commission, in consultation with the Vice Chair and in accordance with rules adopted by the Commission, may appoint and fix the compensation of a staff director and such other personnel as may be necessary to enable the Commission to carry out its functions, without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such title relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that no rate of pay fixed under this subsection may exceed the maximum rate of pay for GS-15 under the General Schedule.

(2) STAFF EXPERTISE- Individuals shall be selected for appointment as staff of the Commission on the basis of their expertise in one or more of the fields referred to in subsection (e).

(3) PERSONNEL AS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES-

(A) IN GENERAL- The executive director and any employees of the Commission shall be employees under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code, for purposes of chapters 63, 81, 83, 84, 85, 87, 89, and 90 of that title.

(B) MEMBERS OF COMMISSION- Subparagraph (A) shall not be construed to apply to members of the Commission.

(4) DETAILEES- Any Federal Government employee may be detailed to the Commission without reimbursement from the Commission, and during such detail shall retain the rights, status, and privileges of his or her regular employment without interruption.

(5) CONSULTANT SERVICES- The Commission may procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, but at rates not to exceed the daily rate paid a person occupying a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code.

(6) EMPHASIS ON SECURITY CLEARANCES- The Commission shall make it a priority to hire as employees and retain as contractors and detailees individuals otherwise authorized by this section who have active security clearances.

(o) Commission Personnel Matters-

(1) COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS- Each member of the Commission who is not an employee of the government shall be compensated at a rate not to exceed the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in effect for a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code, for each day during which that member is engaged in the actual performance of the duties of the Commission.

(2) TRAVEL EXPENSES- While away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission, members of the Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, at rates authorized for employees of agencies under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code, while away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission.

(3) TRAVEL ON ARMED FORCES CONVEYANCES- Members and personnel of the Commission may travel on aircraft, vehicles, or other conveyances of the Armed Forces of the United States when such travel is necessary in the performance of a duty of the Commission, unless the cost of commercial transportation is less expensive.

(4) TREATMENT OF SERVICE FOR PURPOSES OF RETIREMENT BENEFITS- A member of the Commission who is an annuitant otherwise covered by section 8344 or 8468 of title 5, United States Code, by reason of membership on the Commission shall not be subject to the provisions of such section with respect to membership on the Commission.

(5) VACANCIES- A vacancy on the Commission shall not affect its powers and shall be filled in the manner in which the original appointment was made. The appointment of the replacement member shall be made not later than 60 days after the date on which the vacancy occurs.

(p) Security Clearances- The heads of appropriate departments and agencies of the executive branch shall cooperate with the Commission to expeditiously provide Commission members and staff with appropriate security clearances to the extent possible under applicable procedures and requirements.

(q) Reports-

(1) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report of its findings and conclusions, legislative recommendations for immediate and long-term countermeasures to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and measures that can be taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence from developing and spreading within the United States, and any final recommendations for any additional grant programs to support these purposes. The report may also be accompanied by a classified annex.

(2) INTERIM REPORTS- The Commission shall submit to the President and Congress--

(A) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, a first interim report on--

(i) its findings and conclusions and legislative recommendations for the purposes described in paragraph (1); and

(ii) its recommendations on the feasibility of a grant program established and administered by the Secretary for the purpose of preventing, disrupting, and mitigating the effects of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and, if such a program is feasible, recommendations on how grant funds should be used and administered; and

(B) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission submits the interim report under subparagraph (A), a second interim report on such matters.

(3) INDIVIDUAL OR DISSENTING VIEWS- Each member of the Commission may include in each report under this subsection the individual additional or dissenting views of the member.

(4) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY- The Commission shall release a public version of each report required under this subsection.

(r) Availability of Funding- Amounts made available to the Commission to carry out this section shall remain available until the earlier of the expenditure of the amounts or the termination of the Commission.

(s) Termination of Commission- The Commission shall terminate 30 days after the date on which the Commission submits its final report.

SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

(a) Establishment- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States (hereinafter referred to as `Center') following the merit-review processes and procedures and other limitations that have been previously established for selecting and supporting University Programs Centers of Excellence. The Center shall assist Federal, State, local and tribal homeland security officials through training, education, and research in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. In carrying out this section, the Secretary may choose to either create a new Center designed exclusively for the purpose stated herein or identify and expand an existing Department of Homeland Security Center of Excellence so that a working group is exclusively designated within the existing Center of Excellence to achieve the purpose set forth in subsection (b).

(b) Purpose- It shall be the purpose of the Center to study the social, criminal, political, psychological, and economic roots of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States and methods that can be utilized by Federal, State, local, and tribal homeland security officials to mitigate violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.

(c) Activities- In carrying out this section, the Center shall--

(1) contribute to the establishment of training, written materials, information, analytical assistance and professional resources to aid in combating violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism;

(2) utilize theories, methods and data from the social and behavioral sciences to better understand the origins, dynamics, and social and psychological aspects of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism;

(3) conduct research on the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism; and

(4) coordinate with other academic institutions studying the effects of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism where appropriate.

SEC. 899E. PREVENTING VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM THROUGH INTERNATIONAL COOPERATIVE EFFORTS.

(a) International Effort- The Secretary shall, in cooperation with the Department of State, the Attorney General, and other Federal Government entities, as appropriate, conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in their respective nations.

(b) Implementation- To the extent that methodologies are permissible under the Constitution, the Secretary shall use the results of the survey as an aid in developing, in consultation with the Attorney General, a national policy in the United States on addressing radicalization and homegrown terrorism.

(c) Reports to Congress- The Secretary shall submit a report to Congress that provides--

(1) a brief description of the foreign partners participating in the survey; and

(2) a description of lessons learned from the results of the survey and recommendations implemented through this international outreach.

SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

(b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.

(c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security shall develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of any racial, ethnic, or religious group, and shall include the results of audits under such mechanism in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of contents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by inserting at the end of the items relating to title VIII the following:

Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism

Sec. 899A. Definitions.

Sec. 899B. Findings.

Sec. 899C. National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Ideologically Based Violence.

Sec. 899D. Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States.

Sec. 899E. Preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism through international cooperative efforts.

Sec. 899F. Protecting civil rights and civil liberties while preventing ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism.'.

Passed the House of Representatives October 23, 2007.

Attest:

LORRAINE C. MILLER,

Clerk.

[Lord Sidious]

After they attempt to jail a few, this will blow up in their faces.
And if they did convict half a million, where would they confine them?
And no, you can't transport them to Australia, even though we are still a penal colony.

[Lord Sidious]

Calling her tovarich probably won't win you many friends in Russia jackonugget.
Well, not unless they are communists.

[jackovesk]

Calling her tovarich probably won't win you many friends in Russia jackonugget.
Well, not unless they are communists.

No worries (Comrade), I'll take my chances...

[Lord Sidious]

Calling her tovarich probably won't win you many friends in Russia jackonugget.
Well, not unless they are communists.

No worries (Comrade), I'll take my chances...

Spassiba tovarich.

[taurad]

alright, sis, good for you...

BUT don't have any illusions about and keep both your fingers up while mentioning Medvedevs, Putins, the whole Yeltsin family and a "not so immaculate" secret service and so on...

EVERYONE'S on the PAYROLL...which is very very very sad

the only one NOT on the payroll, that i can say for certain, is ME...

i didn't say i don't work for them, i'm forced to, against my will...

what i said is: I DON'T GET PAID for keeping their agenda alive...

I do it for FREE (even sadder, i guess)

my slavery status permits it

cheers

[Lord Sidious]

alright, sis, good for you...

BUT don't have any illusions about and keep both your fingers up while mentioning Medvedevs, Putins, the whole Yeltsin family and a "not so immaculate" secret service and so on...

EVERYONE'S on the PAYROLL...which is very very very sad

the only one NOT on the payroll, that i can say for certain, is ME...

i didn't say i don't work for them, i'm forced to, against my will...

what i said is: I DON'T GET PAID for keeping their agenda alive...

I do it for FREE (even sadder, i guess)

my slavery status permits it

cheers

I hear what you are saying and you are correct.
It is a matter of factions within the beast.
I don't work for them, although an alphabet agency tried to recruit me.
After I declined their offer, they decided to threaten me.
I told me in no uncertain terms what I thought of them, their offer and what they could do with it.
I even named the orifice they could insert their offer into.
I respond poorly to threats, usually daring people to carry them out.
I might tell a story about that one day.

[taurad]

well Lord S

by working for them, i meant simply existing within their system, without choices...they don't need to recruit me, but every one does indirectly work for them, get my drift plz!!!

no heartwork...

[jackovesk]

Calling her tovarich probably won't win you many friends in Russia jackonugget.
Well, not unless they are communists.

No worries (Comrade), I'll take my chances...

Spassiba tovarich.

http://cs399.vkontakte.ru/u92574378/-5/m_0b2f0e9b.jpgNa zdorovie..!

[Lord Sidious]

well Lord S

by working for them, i meant simply existing within their system, without choices...they don't need to recruit me, but every one does indirectly work for them, get my drift plz!!!

no heartwork...

I knew what you meant, sovietcanuckistanugget.
I was just making my own point.





Calling her tovarich probably won't win you many friends in Russia jackonugget.
Well, not unless they are communists.

No worries (Comrade), I'll take my chances...

Spassiba tovarich.

http://cs399.vkontakte.ru/u92574378/-5/m_0b2f0e9b.jpgNa zdorovie..!

Well, I used to love Stolichnaya.
In fact, I did it the Russian way, straight, no mixer out of the bottle.
These days I rarely drink.
But thanks anyways.