Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

[thepainterdoug]

Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?

Why be someone who hears information reported by government, professionals or experts in their field and then chooses to believe it is incorrect or purposefully misleading?

I dont want to be this. I don't want to burn up endless hours of my life being a person that thinks this way as some sort of game , hobby or addiction.

BUT RELIABLE INFORMATION IS IN A CRISIS.

How can we know? where can we find out? how can we be sure? There seems to always be an agenda, with spin to support that agenda

At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?

We are all at each others throats today because we cannot get informed consent.

Are there any Doctors, medical people on this forum that would be willing to give an opinion, lend support that the vaccine being a good thing?

thanks, sorry if i seem a bit crazed, but I am.

[TomKat]

Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?

Why be someone who hears information reported by government, professionals or experts in their field and then chooses to believe it is incorrect or purposefully misleading?

I dont want to be this. I don't want to burn up endless hours of my life being a person that thinks this way as some sort of game , hobby or addiction.

BUT RELIABLE INFORMATION IS IN A CRISIS.

How can we know? where can we find out? how can we be sure? There seems to always be an agenda, with spin to support that agenda

At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?

We are all at each others throats today because we cannot get informed consent.

Are there any Doctors, medical people on this forum that would be willing to give an opinion, lend support that the vaccine being a good thing?

thanks, sorry if i seem a bit crazed, but I am.

It's just his biased opinion, and he has a conflict of interest -- earns his living by towing the Pharma line.
You know what Mark Twain said about opinions?
“You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”….

Ask him some other questions, such as "my friend might have prostate cancer, should he get a biopsy? (correct answer 'no' because biopsy often spreads the cancer).

[Deneon]

Vaccines in general have worked for other diseases, that has been proven historically. Whether this vaccines works (well enough), is a different matter. It's important to make the distinction.

I do not believe every person on this planet with a medical degree is "in on it". They base their judgment on the reliability of proven effectiveness of vaccines in the past. "Other vaccines have worked, so this one must work too", basically. And if you're not 'woke' as they call it nowadays, you have no reason to distrust that I suppose.

Personally, I will not take the vaccine. Not because I think I will die if I get one, but simply because I don't need it.

I've seen posts about arguing with family members who want to take the vaccine. I don't really get that. I can only assume they feel the same anger about their family members smoking, or drinking too much. I would argue smoking kills way more people than any vaccine will ever do, yet I don't see any threads on this forum about fights with family members over smoking.

I won't think any less of someone who will take the vaccine. We have to accept that other people make different choices. Live and let live, let everyone make their own choice. Isn't that what we all want and what we're fighting for?

And, on the larger topic of getting reliable information: Nobody knows everything about everything. We all pick and choose what we want to learn more about. We all find different things important and we all find different things interesting. Some of my friends don't have any interest in some of the things I feel are the most important issues in our lifetime. And that's ok :)

You'll get conflicting reports from random people on the internet on just about any subject. When you have a real conversation with someone, I think that's when you can tell whether or not someone really knows what they're talking about, or if they're just repeating something they read somewhere.

By no means foolproof, but speaking for myself, I can usually tell pretty quickly when someone is bull****ting or when someone knows their ****.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Perhaps the distinction is not intelligence, but outside-the-box thinking.
That, I think, has always been a rarity in our world, and is generally not encouraged by societies.

[thepainterdoug]

Daneon

My friend isnt B, essing me, he is just telling me what he has read in the medical journals he reads as well as a doctor/surgeon. so now do we believe those journals and papers ?
im not a virologist, so I dont know.

And my feeling is, I dont need it as well. But they may say, its for the good of everyone that you get it.

[Arcturian108]

In my mind it is very simple. It is not a vaccine, because it doesn't have any itsy-bitsy part of Covid-19 in it, and legally cannot be called a "vaccine". So it's a brand-new gene therapy, and the recipients are becoming genetically-modified organisms, or GMOs. Everyone, including your doctor friend is being genetically modified. So who might own their bodies after that, then? What does the piece of paper say that they must sign to get this 'vaccine'? Can somebody print it out and publish it on Avalon? I bet that will be interesting.

Furthermore, we all know that there has never been a vaccine created for the common cold, which is just another type of corona virus. So why not? And the last time that a vaccine was created for the first version of Sars, of which Covid-19 is about 70 percent identical, we know the ferrets did fine through the first and second shots, but then most died when exposed to the natural virus. So I believe that's what we are gonna see here too. Sorry, but in your mind you might need to say goodbye to your friends who take this risk.

[Vangelo]

If you are interested in someone else's opinion, I have decided that I am going to wait for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine even though its effectivity is significantly less. I am not going to take the 2 mRNA vaccines that are currently available in the US because there are simply too many unknowns associated with them. The mRNA vaccines are based on new technology and I don't believe they really know what the long term effects are. In terms of health profile, I am in my early 60s and have 3 comorbidities which makes me highly susceptible to covid.

[East Sun]

Vaccines,

If they were not being used by the Gates/Fauci ilk to depopulate the Earth to the tone of billions
of lives I would be less suspicious.

Why does that not ring a loud bell in the minds of the people
world wide is what I can not understand.

My suspicion is that "they" the afore mentioned are a part of the off planet
entities who have been unseen in the manipulation of humans from our beginnings.

Very possibly, we humans were before Adam and Eve, created by the Anannaki (sp).
They have not been here visibly but claim Earth as theirs. We have been here visibly
in real time as we know it and have a real claim to Earth.

They have more power in certain ways but so do we. Be aware as much as you can so they
do not beat us by our being ignorant of our reality.

[Constance]

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[yelik]

Lack of truth has reached dangerous levels, by design

As I understand viruses are not necessarily our enemy and serve to update our microbiome systems as well as rid us of toxins. A unwell toxic body has a strong adverse reaction to viruses.

History shows me that the very same agenda playing out today was used to sell other vaccines. Get your Polio vaccine today, protect yourself, your family and others. We must achieve mass take up to prevent further outbreaks bla la bla.

The Polio vaccine administered in the 1950’s actually contained the SV40 hereditary cancer virus which governments did not admit for 10 years – how many deaths was this responsible for – millions perhaps.

Knowing this there is no way I or my family will touch this or any vaccine for that matter. Nano technology is extremely advanced so who’s knows what surprises may be built in. Ten years from now is 2030 (Agenda 2030)

Some scientist and doctors have claimed this vaccine could be a type of binary weapon where a part two pathogen could trigger a reaction. People have short memories, by 2030 everyone will have forgotten about these events.

I hope I’m wrong but I cannot ever trust the Crown rulers and corrupt establishment

[TomKat]

Daneon

My friend isnt B, essing me, he is just telling me what he has read in the medical journals he reads as well as a doctor/surgeon. so now do we believe those journals and papers ?
im not a virologist, so I dont know.

And my feeling is, I dont need it as well. But they may say, its for the good of everyone that you get it.

At 67, the vaccine is a much bigger threat to your life than covid is.

[Cosmored]

I make a point of listening to the doctors that aren't allowed to speak in the mainstream such as these two.

DR SHERRI TENPENNY: CURRENT OUTLOOK ON 2021! (FULL VIDEO JANUARY 7, 2021)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HsoaftPNOsMe/

Dr Lee Merrit - V Interview 2021
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dr+Lee+Merrit+Interview&&view=detail&mid=14DAE4244EF3867D818114DAE4244EF3867D8181&&FORM=VRDGAR


I know a doctor and I can't even get him to look at those videos. He just says you can always find a doctor who will say what you want to hear. I know someone whose brother is a doctor. She can't get him to watch those videos either. I suppose it would be career suicide for them if they started advocating those positions.


This video is about 9/11 but it shows the position that professionals are in.

9/11 and the Academic Community
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUiX4o-HMoI
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...9%2f11+and+the+Academic+Community&FORM=HDRSC3
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nekt69WhlBwF/


It must be awful to have to maintain a lie to keep your career.

[thepainterdoug]

TomKat/ thats an opinion I happen to agree with you on, but still an opinion. No one knows. No one really knows.

Cosmored/ exactly , your point being my point. How is it that there is such a casm in the truth of this. There is no way to get a reliable unbiased bit of concreate fact and evidence on this. we are left on our own to believe this or that.

[Mike Gorman]

Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?

Why be someone who hears information reported by government, professionals or experts in their field and then chooses to believe it is incorrect or purposefully misleading?

I dont want to be this. I don't want to burn up endless hours of my life being a person that thinks this way as some sort of game , hobby or addiction.

BUT RELIABLE INFORMATION IS IN A CRISIS.

How can we know? where can we find out? how can we be sure? There seems to always be an agenda, with spin to support that agenda

At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?

We are all at each others throats today because we cannot get informed consent.

Are there any Doctors, medical people on this forum that would be willing to give an opinion, lend support that the vaccine being a good thing?

thanks, sorry if i seem a bit crazed, but I am.

It's just his biased opinion, and he has a conflict of interest -- earns his living by towing the Pharma line.
You know what Mark Twain said about opinions?
“You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”….

Ask him some other questions, such as "my friend might have prostate cancer, should he get a biopsy? (correct answer 'no' because biopsy often spreads the cancer).

You will arrive at the most appropriate conclusions for your own life, seeking to compare your opinions with others will only confuse you. What we are trying to achieve is 'Critical Thinking', not perverse oppositional refusal for the sake of it.
As a Baby Boomer I was vaccinated at birth with the big Diphtheria/Whooping cough/Tetanus combo - I also had the Polio (Salk) later on at primary school, and I had the Smallpox vaccine prior to arriving in Australia in 1970.

All of these vaccines were 100% tested, and solid viral agents which conferred immunity, and broke transmission potential. I am grateful for these vaccines and have no problem with having been given them.
I caught 'Mumps', 'german Measles' and 'Chickenpox' later on- in fact I had Chicken Pox at the age of 24, not pleasant, but I recovered perfectly well under my own immune response.

These Covid vaccines are a very different kind of treatment: the Pfizer Messenger RNA offers no immunity, nor does it break transmission.

However, the illness itself has a recovery rate of 99.7% for those who are healthy, and under the age of 80; much like a heavy cold or influenza. Those who are already sick, or weakened with great age are more likely to develop complications and pneumonia, they can die from these complications.

The Deaths from 'ALL CAUSES' number for 2020 was no different to the mean average for previous years over the past decade, and further: each year a certain number of people die, this was no different despite the alleged pandemic. Why?
Where has Influenza ddisappeared to --the normally expected deaths from Flu have totally vanished for 2020/2021?
Medical doctors are very often completely sold on the mainstream medical paradigm, they are no more qualified than intelligent people who research the topic: ever noticed your GP using Google in the consult?
We defer to experts, but who underwrites the experts?
As I said, you must make your own choice, but don't be afraid to ask the difficult questions, and don;t shrink from disagreeing with doctors, they are human beings who have learned from information: you have access to all information, you must look for it though and not just accept the first few results in searches.
I am nearly 63, I have not had a cold, or Flu for over 10 years, I am not getting this Faux vaccine, because I do not agree with the technology behind it, this is not a 'traditional vaccine' and the manufacturers tell you this on their websites. I don't want it, I would prefer my body to deal with this minor respiratory virus on its own terms.
I have attached an analysis of the vaccines by a top shelf virologist for your information.
Here are very recent opinions concerning the vaccines from medical doctors who are prevented from speaking with you on mainstream media: https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/ask-the-experts-covid19-vaccines/

[Cosmored]

We were being lied to about vaccines before the covid crisis arrived.
http://www.houseofpolitics.com/threads/the-anti-vaccine-movement.20574/

[palehorse]

WHO, GAVI, Bill & Melinda Gates, and others are partially responsible for the production and distribution of these vaccines, there is also independent developers in the game, for what I understood not all companies has strings attached to WHO right now (it may change in the future). In Southeast Asia all countries made a deal with WHO to receive, distribute and report back to WHO about any side effects from vaccines in their countries, Thailand is the only one outside of this block, countries like Camboja and Laos qualified for free vaccines, but Thailand not, they are dealing with independent companies in China and Russia for what I heard from the public announcement of the PM, because they need the first dose ASAP, until their own production be able to supply the country and probably other countries around Southeast Asia. He said something about not agreeing with the time frame to distribution, and also dislike the fact the payment must be upfront (LOL), and Thailand also via transfer of technology is already developing the vaccines in the country which is causing a lot of concerns in the congress, because the company behind it ( https://www.siambioscience.com/?lang=en ) is owned by H.M. the King.

It is a big game, big money like Rush sang

"..Big money goes around the world
Big money underground
Big money got a mighty voice
Big money make no sound
Big money pull a million strings
Big money hold the prize
Big money weave a mighty web
Big money draw the flies.."

I have a good MD friend in Brazil and he took the vaccine weeks ago, the vaccine in question is CoronaVac (chinese if I am not wrong), so far he got no side effects, I did talk with his wife just 2 days ago, one thing I would like to share here, my friend is actively working for a public hospital and also he is an academic scientist and working on development of natural medicines based on herbs/plants for decades now, he has a great understand of vaccines, but he is not a virologist, when I asked what is the parts (ingredients to say so) that compose all these vaccines, he first felt very uncomfortable in give me a response, after all he said it is a mRNA and he doesn't know exactly what is inside the payload(instructions) that is injected in the body in order to invade(hack) the cells. As I do not want to look weirdo and bombard him with many questions, I won't ask anything else to upset him, he is also my friend and he respect people's decision in taking or not taking vaccines, and he doesn't want really talk about it, by the way his family is not taking the vaccine, he took alone otherwise he was facing to lose his job.

Here is the information we can find everywhere in any CDC across the world.
"..Once the instructions are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them..."
"..scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine."

My question for any scientist is: Could you please elaborate in details what are those mRNA instructions to build the unique spike proteins?
I guess it is patented technology and nobody will ever know the answer. Unless there is transparency, just like an open source code for software, I will never take any vaccines from now on, specially because they want to use mRNA vaccines to treat all imaginable deceases out there, naming a few: SARS-CoV-2, flu, Zika, rabies, cytomegalovirus,..

Those driven by money and power they will never care about people, they are doing it for wealth accumulation and power (pure selfishness). By the way companies exist for profit not for charity, specially in the big pharma world.

The MSM just play their role to make people believe and pretend that everything is fine and under control, illusion at best, just shut the TeeVee off and the problem is over, when media realize that their is no audience, they can't communicate their agenda, what are they going to do?

[TargeT]

Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?


The first half:

Because you have self confidence, self respect and an appreciation for the time it took you to come to the conclusions and understandings you have reached.

I dunno about all those labels you put in the last 2/3rds.... (I'm mostly focused on the 1st two words).

[jaybee]

Daneon

My friend isnt B, essing me, he is just telling me what he has read in the medical journals he reads as well as a doctor/surgeon. so now do we believe those journals and papers ?
im not a virologist, so I dont know.

And my feeling is, I dont need it as well. But they may say, its for the good of everyone that you get it.


They WILL say that - at the moment in the UK it's in the first gung ho stage where people for the last 6 weeks or so have been getting the vaccination and are happy about it - talking about it and supporting each other with encouraging remarks - it's a main topic of conversation -

of course as we are in lockdown (I don't even like to use that word - the L word..) there is hardly any mixing but when you have a dog and get out everyday there are other dog walkers it can be conducive to having a little chat (people shopping aren't in the same frame of mind to chat..)

well - people - some who I know a bit or quite well (like a neighbour for example)....it's like 'have you had the vaccine yet?'.... 'I'm getting mine tomorrow'..... 'I haven't had the letter yet' etc etc ...then someone might say to me - 'have you had yours yet?' and when I just say..........'No I'm not having it'.............they look at me with curious confused shock - a lack of comprehension that anyone might not be clamoring to have it - I put them out of their misery by saying something like - I've already had the virus at the end of 2019 so I'm pretty sure I've got immunity... I'm now adding to that when necessary - 'I know they say there are mutations but these vaccines don't cover mutations anyway and I feel confident that I have a level of immunity..'

This I think is better than saying - 'well I've found out that the vaccine programme is designed to basically do the opposite to what you think and will probably help to kill you when you come into contact with the virus further down the line -'

They would think I was completely crazy (well most would but there are the exceptions)

Anyway I could go on but what I'm getting round to saying that it won't be long before many people start believing and saying the same things about vaccines that they do about masks now... and the pressure will be on to conform...

[jaybee]

Daneon

My friend isnt B, essing me, he is just telling me what he has read in the medical journals he reads as well as a doctor/surgeon. so now do we believe those journals and papers ?
im not a virologist, so I dont know.

And my feeling is, I dont need it as well. But they may say, its for the good of everyone that you get it.

At 67, the vaccine is a much bigger threat to your life than covid is.


I 100% believe this - what people are not encouraged to talk about are the ways that the virus can be prevented or cured -

because this would undermine the vaccine programme that is central to depopulation and the transhuman future that the fascist elite have planned -

Perhaps talking about the alternative to vaccines would be a good strategy in conversations about vaccines?

edit to add....

like bringing up the subject of Ivermectin for example ?

saw this yesterday -

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video description -

News Roundup | Belgian Virologist Proposes Plan to Eradicate COVID-19 in 6 Weeks Using Ivermectin

[Bubu]

Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?


The first half:

Because you have self confidence, self respect and an appreciation for the time it took you to come to the conclusions and understandings you have reached.

I dunno about all those labels you put in the last 2/3rds.... (I'm mostly focused on the 1st two words).

I get that as trusting your senses. Lets say for example; covid right from the start I already knew it was a scam while other people are still searching for more info trying to connect the dots. How did I know? I look for dead bodies , increase in funeral activities, listen for families wiped out by the disease. I use my own senses. I did not rely on any outside "reliable sources". the crisis is in our self confidence. We gave it away to authorities by faith. In every subject always look for something verifiable by own senses. Anything that does not agree with it I immediately dismiss anything that agrees I keep. Its a lot easier to connect the dots this way. I have confidence in my senses more than a million outside sources.
Vaccines? who's behind them? what are these people?
Someone wrote this "Vaccines in general have worked for other diseases", May I ask what is your reference for saying so? Is it publish scientific studies or your own experience.

[samildamach]

Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?

Why be someone who hears information reported by government, professionals or experts in their field and then chooses to believe it is incorrect or purposefully misleading?

I dont want to be this. I don't want to burn up endless hours of my life being a person that thinks this way as some sort of game , hobby or addiction.

BUT RELIABLE INFORMATION IS IN A CRISIS.

How can we know? where can we find out? how can we be sure? There seems to always be an agenda, with spin to support that agenda

At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?

We are all at each others throats today because we cannot get informed consent.

Are there any Doctors, medical people on this forum that would be willing to give an opinion, lend support that the vaccine being a good thing?

thanks, sorry if i seem a bit crazed, but I am.

I was following Mike yeadon the ex CEO of phizer,he had qualifications as long as your arm in the specific area.
He has now been cancelled lost lots of work,attempts to discredit him e.t.c.
His main point was that the stats and pcr test are flawed and the vacine is not a vacine in the true sense,its a experiment on a trusting public.
He never went out of the science never read into anything not there.he had to delete himself he just wasn't expecting what came for him

[Bubu]

Are we discussing whether to get a doubtful vaccine to avoid a virus that kills .001 percent of infected people?

[Merkaba360]

Vaccines and pharmaceuticals are part of the Artificial we must avoid. They are full of synthetic chemicals which are all toxins that the body must get rid of. The rule of thumb is to avoid unless necessary. People demand that you are vulnerable and weak as they think they are. They will scoff at you if you believe you and your body and energy are a powerful force that is more resilient than the average Joe.

Its scary that a brain surgeon makes such weak arguments. 'Overblown hype' is a ridiculous argument, that is more like arguing feelings. I could say the same of covid in general lol. Having to weigh pros vs cons is making his case weaker and uncertain. It should be a near flawless tech and if we have to weigh them against each other then its not a landslide win for the pros.

Being instantly so sure of himself is enough for me to dismiss him as being a mental prisoner. I can't really take anybody's opinions seriously if they aren't even able to see through the illusion of 'reality.' So, unless this guy understands this is a world of deception, it is a holographic illusion, and many other breakthrus we have accomplished - i'm sorry but I am more of an authority, because i am more conscious. Show me one scientist who has broken thru the illusion and supports the narrative with such strong certainty. Cuz I can communicate with those people. Those in the box have all these trigger knee jerk programs and can't handle talking about certain issues, etc.

In this country ~0 die from covid per day and 70 die on the road. Yet, Covid is 70 times more scary to them. lol It's amazing how good people are at surviving when they can't even make relative risk assessments. Nobody is doing anything about the deaths on the road, then should be for covid.

I don't really need to trust the data. The data and my senses both show that its a very low probability. I know that if i'm supposed to experience this planet longer, I won't die from covid, so i can laugh at it. I have no problem leaving this planet. I've already played chicken with life and the beings watching over me stepped in to protect me. This life is a huge challenge and its like showing up for a rough job everyday. They aren't going to let me retire and i'm guessing my soul wants this too. So, im free of worries.

What should worry people is the bully machine trying to cram this down our throats. Pretty sure that's an obvious tell :)

[RskikR]

Tell him to go and **** Himself!! He's just a dumbarse brain surgeon. Him drilling in your head is like me drilling into timber. I'm a carpenter!! He is ****in with Dynamite!

[TomKat]

TomKat/ thats an opinion I happen to agree with you on, but still an opinion. No one knows. No one really knows.

Cosmored/ exactly , your point being my point. How is it that there is such a casm in the truth of this. There is no way to get a reliable unbiased bit of concreate fact and evidence on this. we are left on our own to believe this or that.

This is not a new phenomenon. Government-sponsored scientific consensus has replaced evidence. Coast radio sometimes has global warming sceptics on, but they cannot find anyone to debate them. The only argument needed by the Al Gore types is "a consensus of scientists say..." -- not mentioning that these scientists have to say that to keep their jobs. The same situation pertains to covid and, in the future, might pertain to a "fact" such as "only conspiracy theorist extremists disbelieve the government, they are not redeemable, and they have to be rounded up and dealt with."

[TomKat]

Tell him to go and **** Himself!! He's just a dumbarse brain surgeon. Him drilling in your head is like me drilling into timber. I'm a carpenter!! He is ****in with Dynamite!

Surgeons are the WORST allopathic medicine has to offer. They are mechanics, and have not a shred of holistic understanding of the body.

[thepainterdoug]

Tom Kat, thanks that may be true. But I'm an artist musician and just by accident, I assume he knows more about the body and medicine than me. Then again , i could be wrong! lol

This post is mainly about the frustration of this very thing here, who has information that is reliable?

If you asked me about paint, canvas, various approaches to realism, or composing a song, since I do this, I would hope all could trust what I share as true information, not style ,interpretation and aesthetics , but the mechanics of it all, because this is my world and I do it. Car mechanic, plumber and so on.

there is no way to organize or galvanize a population without an informed consent. We are like a beehive that was whacked with a branch and then smoked.

Everyone here at Avalon is awake to this but we are a minority. What news or information source today is the gold standard? Perhaps there never was one

[Gracy]

Unfortunately, often times information stemming from alternative media, is no more reliable than mainstream media. For instance, there was a time here when “Shane The Ruiner” was considered reliable information. And for years now we’ve had varying promises of mass arrests and such, how reliable has that proven so far?

All I’m saying is that dis, or mis information, can just as easily come from sources we like, as from sources we love to scorn.

[thepainterdoug]

True Gracie May

we all look out our own window. We see the world thru our lens , with a pre determined point of view. Not set in stone but certainly there. So we all tend to seek out info that supports our world view.

This is all very different than being an actual witness to an event, or even being part of that event. And even that will have variations in recall for each participant

life is a madhouse! so at the end of the day, my instinct and intuition be my guide

[yelik]

Being mindful of history and the big Agenda 21/2030 helps keep us on the right side of logic.

We appear to be going through an new era of control where macro, micro and nano technology agendas and are being brought together

The elite destroyers invert the truth so we trust puppet governments at our own peril.

History tells us Governments cannot be trusted – they used doctors to portray smoking as healthy, that asbestos was harmless, that the polio vaccine was safe, that aliens do not exist, that this revolutionary mRNA / DNA editing synthetic vaccine is safe – that transhumanism is inevitable - game never ends

We are experiencing an era of orchestrated problems, deception and fear which weakens and programs the mass mind belief systems. We are effectively enslaving ourselves through stupidity

Project Mocking Bird and the Roshamon effect has created the mother of confusion viruses causing irrational and disturbing behaviour where we are at war with ourselves

In my opinion I would be stupid and irresponsible to trust the science and rational of governments and big corporates who are one in the same. Most doctors are paid to operate within the bounds of their limited medical training - the Rockefeller Foundation

The technocrats are lying to us about true science - a healthy mind and body is the best virology lab money can buy

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Exosomes.jpg

[thepainterdoug]

Yelik

thanks and love the attached image.

[Constance]

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[Gracy]

we all look out our own window. We see the world thru our lens , with a pre determined point of view. Not set in stone but certainly there. So we all tend to seek out info that supports our world view.

Absolutely, that's confirmation bias.


- Confirmation bias is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their existing beliefs or hypotheses.

- Confirmation bias happens when a person gives more weight to evidence that confirms their beliefs and undervalues evidence that could disprove it.

- People display this bias when they gather or recall information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way.

- The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs.

- Confirmation Bias is the tendency to look for information that supports, rather than rejects, one’s preconceptions, typically by interpreting evidence to confirm existing beliefs while rejecting or ignoring any conflicting data (American Psychological Association).
https://www.simplypsychology.org/confirmation-bias.html

We're all guilty of it, to varying degrees, but it's certainly one of those things that once we're aware of it's presence, it's something to be watchful for and catch it when we can.


life is a madhouse! so at the end of the day, my instinct and intuition be my guide

Well everyone has their method. I do that to some degree, but more so I follow the track record of the varying sources of information out there. My respect for mainstream sources is at an all time low, because of piss poor track records, but my perspective of alternative sources of information is a rough equivalent for the same reason.

I see "Mockingbird" being tossed around a lot concerning mainstream sources, and for very good reasons, but I often wonder why alternative sources are seldom suspected of the same influence.

Maybe that brings us full circle. The ones we agree with, the ones that confirm our world view, are not suspected; while the ones we disagree with, that do not confirm our world view, just might be suspect...

[thepainterdoug]

GracieMay

I have always said, we have met the enemy and he is us. The problem is with the human Being itself.

But I believe its as it should be. Like all the diversity in races, ethnicities, religions, truths, lying, cheating ,triumphs, successes and grandeur , all is as it should be.

And we need to navigate it. Make the best of it. Dont ask me why

[Bubu]

True Gracie May

we all look out our own window. We see the world thru our lens , with a pre determined point of view. Not set in stone but certainly there. So we all tend to seek out info that supports our world view.

This is all very different than being an actual witness to an event, or even being part of that event. And even that will have variations in recall for each participant

life is a madhouse! so at the end of the day, my instinct and intuition be my guide

agree . But if we stuff our brains with so much info it tends to cover the intuition so that we cannot access it with clarity. Einstein said. " the essence of the genius is knowing what to ignore" I'm just a trying hard genius not a real one. My brains can not connect 30 dots accurately so I settle for three most reliable ones , That's my senses, common sense included. The conclusion from this I use, like a constitution, to connect a bigger set of dots and so on until I am able to see the big picture.

[BoR]

I have come to the conclusion reliable info is hard to find in the mainstream as well as in the alternative world. I also have come to the conclusion that just like history is written by the winner (conqueror):

Truth is written by the winner/conqueror.

Truth is not purely objective. Not in media, not in science, not in alternative viewpoints.

Truth is established with the following in mind: financial benefits, power, survival instinct, a desire to fit in or belong, a desire to lead, a desire to be lead. These concepts and urges cloud the objective establishing of what is true.

And then came quantum physics basically questioning the very existence of objective reality.

The world is a dream and we are the dreamers. Convinced it is all very real and we know the truth. Until we become aware and start the lucid dreaming. That is when the fun truly begins....

[Bubu]

GracieMay

I have always said, we have met the enemy and he is us. The problem is with the human Being itself.

But I believe its as it should be. Like all the diversity in races, ethnicities, religions, truths, lying, cheating ,triumphs, successes and grandeur , all is as it should be.

And we need to navigate it. Make the best of it. Dont ask me why

Agree#2, And I could guess accurately that our best tools for navigation are our own senses. I have no desire to be in the debate game. I just do what I feel I wanted to do because for me its how the universe communicate to me and that's it. Settle down knowing that our universe, WE, "like corks toss about by the waves". will be as it should be.
Chill out Painter, they are losing. How did I know? one, I have never seen a huge percent of people in our country wake up to the fact that government, media, WHO our health department is lying to them. I have talk to people, read comments on DOH Philippines FB and other media forum. that's a reliable info for me. two the vaccine is failing. If they want to kill 7B people its either they vaccinate them all at once (impossible) or have the vaccine take effect on a later date when all people been vaccinated. Like 6 months or maybe a year. What's happening? vaccinated people gets visible ill the next day or week then starts dying in one or two weeks. That's definitely going to scare the rats away. In our country alone I have never met one in person who wants to get a vaccine. Even those that believes in vaccine has adopted a wait and see because according to them it was rush into making and because of the infamous dengvaxia that kills thousands of people in our country alone. Now the government personnel through bribery is going to continue to impose the restrictions until they have decided that they had more than enough what they can spend for their lifetime. With a lot of pressure coming from the people that could be sooner than later.

Good that you can still play hockey, I could no longer go to the beach to swim. Or play basketball. Bored stages normally gets me back to forums, this is the nicest place to meet and talk to extremely nice people.

[amor]

Take what these murderers have devised for you and published what they will do to you years ago and you will be guilty of committing suicide and by example murdering other ignorant fools. These people are MURDERERS and deserve their own medicine period.

[Dreamer148]

The WHO has changed its definition of what is "herd immunity".

So why would the WHO do this. Obviously to make the vaccine appear more acceptable to the general public. After all the phenomenon of herd immunity has been know for many, many years, so why change it now?

A GP friend of my wife's sent her this comment.

"WHO Changed Definition of Herd Immunity
Many have wondered if vaccination would even be necessary if widespread herd immunity were achieved naturally. Your immune system isn’t designed to get vaccines. It’s designed to work in response to exposure to an infectious agent. But apparently, according to WHO, that’s no longer the case.

In June 2020, WHO’s definition of herd immunity, posted on one of their COVID-19 Q&A pages, was in line with the widely accepted concept that has been the standard for infectious diseases for decades. Here’s what it originally said, courtesy of the Internet Archive’s Wayback machine:19

“Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.”

In October 2020, here’s their updated definition of herd immunity, which is now “a concept used for vaccination”:20

“‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached. Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it.

Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but — crucially — vaccines work without making us sick. Vaccinated people are protected from getting the disease in question and passing it on, breaking any chains of transmission.”

This perversion of science implies that the only way to achieve herd immunity is via vaccination, which is blatantly untrue. The startling implications for society, however, is that by putting out this false information, they’re attempting to change your perception of what’s true and not true, leaving people believing that they must artificially manipulate their immune systems as the only way to stay safe from infectious disease."

[palehorse]

I have come to the conclusion reliable info is hard to find in the mainstream as well as in the alternative world. I also have come to the conclusion that just like history is written by the winner (conqueror):

Truth is written by the winner/conqueror.

Truth is not purely objective. Not in media, not in science, not in alternative viewpoints.

Truth is established with the following in mind: financial benefits, power, survival instinct, a desire to fit in or belong, a desire to lead, a desire to be lead. These concepts and urges cloud the objective establishing of what is true.

And then came quantum physics basically questioning the very existence of objective reality.

The world is a dream and we are the dreamers. Convinced it is all very real and we know the truth. Until we become aware and start the lucid dreaming. That is when the fun truly begins....


There is no "I" in the process, no self.
Yes, this world is an illusion, I see it as a passage, better not get attached or identified to anything.

[Mashika]

I have come to the conclusion reliable info is hard to find in the mainstream as well as in the alternative world. I also have come to the conclusion that just like history is written by the winner (conqueror):

Truth is written by the winner/conqueror.

Truth is not purely objective. Not in media, not in science, not in alternative viewpoints.

Truth is established with the following in mind: financial benefits, power, survival instinct, a desire to fit in or belong, a desire to lead, a desire to be lead. These concepts and urges cloud the objective establishing of what is true.

And then came quantum physics basically questioning the very existence of objective reality.

The world is a dream and we are the dreamers. Convinced it is all very real and we know the truth. Until we become aware and start the lucid dreaming. That is when the fun truly begins....


There is no "I" in the process, no self.
Yes, this world is an illusion, I see it as a passage, better not get attached or identified to anything.

Actually, and without trying to sound rude or anytjing like that...

There is 'I' in the entire process, and the self is valid as long as it is 'aware'

It's a perspective thing you see?

From your own words, that's where the self is found

We are all part of a bigger manifestation of energy, the self is just a part of the bigger consciousness. Without the important self, the bigger, outer consciousness, would just fade away. Just like without your fingers or your tongue, you can't touch or taste anything at all

[s7e6e]

Deneon: vaccine experts, receivers of Nobel prizes have said most vaccines do not work as they fail to force an immune response in the body or limit the spread. World renown doctors are expressing their deep concerns about this forced inoculation, yet here you are calmly restating the narrative. You're in a cozy place.

Vaccines have been, for at least 30 years, the bread and butter for the Big Pharma, ensuring everyone gets to be a customer sooner or later.

Go to CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf) and read what they put in vaccines. It's in the open, they need to put it in the open to bypass the universal law of retribution. Things like aluminum hydroxide&phosphate, aluminum salts, mercury, aborted fetal cells, SV-40 cancer-causing virus, acetone, E.Coli. Nagalese has been found in countless vaccines, now they are adding something called Luciferase...

[Sue (Ayt)]

Surgeons are the WORST allopathic medicine has to offer. They are mechanics, and have not a shred of holistic understanding of the body.

I beg to disagree here, TomKat. A good surgeon, just like a good auto mechanic, are worth their weight in gold in my opinion.

A highly skilled and compassionate surgeon truly saved my husband's life 10 years ago when he most assuredly would have died from a ruptured abdominal aortic aneurysm.
And a skilled bone doc mechanic mended my daughter's shattered legs after an auto accident. (she since went on to become a yoga pro)
I am thankful for those 2 mechanics every day. I honor the great mechanics of the world! :thumbsup:

[T Smith]

At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?



#1 question for your friend: How do you know it's safe and effective? From long term studies that have determined the vaccine's effects on the immune system?
#2 question for your friend: Do you not find it odd there have never been any double-blind placebo studies testing the efficacy and safety of vaccines, the so-called "gold standard" of science?
#3 question for your friend: Assuming there are long term studies that suggest the recently-developed covid 19 vaccine is safe, or even effective (there are not) how do you know those studies are not skewed and influenced by the objectives and agenda of the power dynamic behind the practice of "corporate" science, or worse, by the science driven by a deeper social-engineering agenda?

There was a time when bloodletting was the practice of cutting-edge science and when scientific studies definitively proved there was no link to smoking cigarettes with lung cancer. We need only ask the executives of Phillip Morris how they were able to pull this off. The moral of the story is, it's not that science is wrong, or that anti-vaxxers are questioning science, rather they are questioning those who are trying to convince us what science is.

The fact is, the American Medical Association is a cabal of powerful interests (with objectives far from those undergirding the scientific method). This cabal controls and dictates every bit of knowledge your surgeon friend has amassed and has been indoctrinated with (literally). Much of that knowledge is sound, as a skilled surgeon can literally save your life. But all is nonetheless contained in a box controlled by the cabal and manipulated to achieve a desired outcome. Your friend practices medicine at the pleasure of these controllers. If he dare questions their methods or thinks outside the box they have placed him in, or even more blasphemous, if he speaks out against any dubious or spurious knowledge contained therein, he shall forfeit his privilege to practice medicine altogether and will soon find himself hosting conspiracy-theory podcasts or liquidated from the earth entirely if those podcasts become too successful.

Is your friend willfully trying to steer you wrong? Of course not. He genuinely believes it. But his belief is just that--founded on faith. He simply has faith in that in which he believes. But I guarantee you, after he rolls his eyes at you and shrugs off your questions without critical examination--a conditioned response by those who have placed him in his box--he would have a very hard time answering the questions above--among many, many others--if he is courageous enough to be honest with himself.

[palehorse]

I have come to the conclusion reliable info is hard to find in the mainstream as well as in the alternative world. I also have come to the conclusion that just like history is written by the winner (conqueror):

Truth is written by the winner/conqueror.

Truth is not purely objective. Not in media, not in science, not in alternative viewpoints.

Truth is established with the following in mind: financial benefits, power, survival instinct, a desire to fit in or belong, a desire to lead, a desire to be lead. These concepts and urges cloud the objective establishing of what is true.

And then came quantum physics basically questioning the very existence of objective reality.

The world is a dream and we are the dreamers. Convinced it is all very real and we know the truth. Until we become aware and start the lucid dreaming. That is when the fun truly begins....


There is no "I" in the process, no self.
Yes, this world is an illusion, I see it as a passage, better not get attached or identified to anything.

Actually, and without trying to sound rude or anytjing like that...

There is 'I' in the entire process, and the self is valid as long as it is 'aware'

It's a perspective thing you see?

From your own words, that's where the self is found

We are all part of a bigger manifestation of energy, the self is just a part of the bigger consciousness. Without the important self, the bigger, outer consciousness, would just fade away. Just like without your fingers or your tongue, you can't touch or taste anything at all


You are not being rude or anything, please go on :)

If one rationalize the process there will be as much "I" in the process as one wish, we create all the "I"s, every time we get identified to the process, whatever the process is.
Everything we create is for supplying the ego of human beings, think about.

What I see is that: It is not mine, that's not what I am, and it is not myself. In common society you can just invert what just said to: That's is mine, that's what I am, this is myself. I can clearly see selflessness and voidness in everything as I can observe and contemplate the self's rising and falling.

Actually it is quite the contrary, the essence will never fade away because that's what it is, just essence, when one recovery the memory of what they really are "essence" and removes all the personalities (the little "I" or self or ego) that we all accumulate during our life time, one can clearly see there no self in the process, and it doesn't mean you are dead.

In general as we live in a selfish society this sort of thing will always be controversial, and trying to explain how someone in any modern society should get rid of their ego, seems like insanity. :)

Everything is impermanent, so is the self, ego and I.

Sorry to go off-topic

[Mashika]

I have come to the conclusion reliable info is hard to find in the mainstream as well as in the alternative world. I also have come to the conclusion that just like history is written by the winner (conqueror):

Truth is written by the winner/conqueror.

Truth is not purely objective. Not in media, not in science, not in alternative viewpoints.

Truth is established with the following in mind: financial benefits, power, survival instinct, a desire to fit in or belong, a desire to lead, a desire to be lead. These concepts and urges cloud the objective establishing of what is true.

And then came quantum physics basically questioning the very existence of objective reality.

The world is a dream and we are the dreamers. Convinced it is all very real and we know the truth. Until we become aware and start the lucid dreaming. That is when the fun truly begins....


There is no "I" in the process, no self.
Yes, this world is an illusion, I see it as a passage, better not get attached or identified to anything.

Actually, and without trying to sound rude or anytjing like that...

There is 'I' in the entire process, and the self is valid as long as it is 'aware'

It's a perspective thing you see?

From your own words, that's where the self is found

We are all part of a bigger manifestation of energy, the self is just a part of the bigger consciousness. Without the important self, the bigger, outer consciousness, would just fade away. Just like without your fingers or your tongue, you can't touch or taste anything at all


You are not being rude or anything, please go on :)

If one rationalize the process there will be as much "I" in the process as one wish, we create all the "I"s, every time we get identified to the process, whatever the process is.
Everything we create is for supplying the ego of human beings, think about.

What I see is that: It is not mine, that's not what I am, and it is not myself. In common society you can just invert what just said to: That's is mine, that's what I am, this is myself. I can clearly see selflessness and voidness in everything as I can observe and contemplate the self's rising and falling.

Actually it is quite the contrary, the essence will never fade away because that's what it is, just essence, when one recovery the memory of what they really are "essence" and removes all the personalities (the little "I" or self or ego) that we all accumulate during our life time, one can clearly see there no self in the process, and it doesn't mean you are dead.

In general as we live in a selfish society this sort of thing will always be controversial, and trying to explain how someone in any modern society should get rid of their ego, seems like insanity. :)

Everything is impermanent, so is the self, ego and I.

Sorry to go off-topic



If one rationalize the process there will be as much "I" in the process as one wish, we create all the "I"s, every time we get identified to the process, whatever the process is.
Everything we create is for supplying the ego of human beings, think about.


But that's why, if we all came from "source" whatever that means for different people, it, as in the "Wakan Tanka", "Gitche Manitou", "Source" etc concept, "The Great Spirit", then we are just a small fragment of the higher one, which means the self or "I" is just one small piece of the greater full being or spirit. Maybe, the self exists to be an experiencer of many different aspects of this reality or nature, and it all goes back to "the source" eventually. But if you forget about the self, and ignore it, you may believe you are growing, but actually instead you have focused just on your own needs, stalled from really gathering important experiences, instead of just temporary ones. Because you forgot you need to make your own experience "unique" so that once you come back to the source, you add up to the greater spiritual growth. We all are "one" doesn't mean we have to give up our individuality or throw away self, it means we belong to the same source, doesn't it? But we must be unique and focus on growing our uniqueness, otherwise if "we are all one" it turns into "we are all the same" as in "we are a single mind" and that's not really good

It's kind of a trap, in the end, i guess.

Yeah this was off topic as well, lol. I'm sorry

[TomKat]

Unfortunately, often times information stemming from alternative media, is no more reliable than mainstream media. For instance, there was a time here when “Shane The Ruiner” was considered reliable information. And for years now we’ve had varying promises of mass arrests and such, how reliable has that proven so far?

All I’m saying is that dis, or mis information, can just as easily come from sources we like, as from sources we love to scorn.

Unverifiable testimony is wide open to fraud, but there are enough links on this forum to make up one's mind about the Covid "vaccine." Start with anything that has been pulled from social media.

[Mashika]

Unfortunately, often times information stemming from alternative media, is no more reliable than mainstream media. For instance, there was a time here when “Shane The Ruiner” was considered reliable information. And for years now we’ve had varying promises of mass arrests and such, how reliable has that proven so far?

All I’m saying is that dis, or mis information, can just as easily come from sources we like, as from sources we love to scorn.

Unverifiable testimony is wide open to fraud, but there are enough links on this forum to make up one's mind about the Covid "vaccine." Start with anything that has been pulled from social media.

Isn't that redundant? there are enough links yes, the ones that will tell you what you wanted to hear (beforehand and based on your previous experience) will be the ones that make up your mind?

[TomKat]

Unfortunately, often times information stemming from alternative media, is no more reliable than mainstream media. For instance, there was a time here when “Shane The Ruiner” was considered reliable information. And for years now we’ve had varying promises of mass arrests and such, how reliable has that proven so far?

All I’m saying is that dis, or mis information, can just as easily come from sources we like, as from sources we love to scorn.

Unverifiable testimony is wide open to fraud, but there are enough links on this forum to make up one's mind about the Covid "vaccine." Start with anything that has been pulled from social media.

Isn't that redundant? there are enough links yes, the ones that will tell you what you wanted to hear (beforehand and based on your previous experience) will be the ones that make up your mind?

I'm open to any argument, it's just that the mainstream has said nothing to convince me that mRNA "vaccines" are a good idea. But go ahead, present that argument, and I'll listen.

[Ratszinger]

As I understand it you have between a 91% and a 97% chance of surviving this virus if you catch it. I know more than a few people that have had it and got over it without being vaccinated. So there is that. Then there is a 21% chance of a negative side effect as I understand it. This can be anything from a bruised sore arm to complete collapse and death after seizure apparently! Color me confused but why would you even want to play, dare I say, 'Gamble' with these numbers? Pass!!!

[amor]

The Rockefeller 2010 plan but this planned pandemic to happen, to kill off the population? If so, why argue about it being a vaccine which it is not. Israel is reportedly forcing their population to take it and the report on this site says 40 times more people over 65 have died than would have had they not taken it, and something like 350 times more people under that age have died. If people are dying of something that was not there before, the CDC Inc. put it out there to kill people, so that they could murder Earth's population while making loads of money doing it. It would be appropriate for the Rulers to take the poison before the people. This is against the Nuremberg Code? When it is injected into us OUR BODIES ARE THEN OWNED BY THEM! Progressively, after a series of injections which target the BODY AS THE ENEMY TO BE ATTACKED WE WILL DIE, so expiring right away is not going to happen. If we did, people would cease to take the injection. That is why they are doing everything incrementally. In my opinion, the people should dispose of places that create death and those that dispense it. Your Rulers obviously have AGREED to KILL YOU.

[palehorse]

WHO, GAVI, Bill & Melinda Gates, and others are partially responsible for the production and distribution of these vaccines, there is also independent developers in the game, for what I understood not all companies has strings attached to WHO right now (it may change in the future). In Southeast Asia all countries made a deal with WHO to receive, distribute and report back to WHO about any side effects from vaccines in their countries, Thailand is the only one outside of this block, countries like Camboja and Laos qualified for free vaccines, but Thailand not, they are dealing with independent companies in China and Russia for what I heard from the public announcement of the PM, because they need the first dose ASAP, until their own production be able to supply the country and probably other countries around Southeast Asia. He said something about not agreeing with the time frame to distribution, and also dislike the fact the payment must be upfront (LOL), and Thailand also via transfer of technology is already developing the vaccines in the country which is causing a lot of concerns in the congress, because the company behind it ( https://www.siambioscience.com/?lang=en ) is owned by H.M. the King.

It is a big game, big money like Rush sang

"..Big money goes around the world
Big money underground
Big money got a mighty voice
Big money make no sound
Big money pull a million strings
Big money hold the prize
Big money weave a mighty web
Big money draw the flies.."

I have a good MD friend in Brazil and he took the vaccine weeks ago, the vaccine in question is CoronaVac (chinese if I am not wrong), so far he got no side effects, I did talk with his wife just 2 days ago, one thing I would like to share here, my friend is actively working for a public hospital and also he is an academic scientist and working on development of natural medicines based on herbs/plants for decades now, he has a great understand of vaccines, but he is not a virologist, when I asked what is the parts (ingredients to say so) that compose all these vaccines, he first felt very uncomfortable in give me a response, after all he said it is a mRNA and he doesn't know exactly what is inside the payload(instructions) that is injected in the body in order to invade(hack) the cells. As I do not want to look weirdo and bombard him with many questions, I won't ask anything else to upset him, he is also my friend and he respect people's decision in taking or not taking vaccines, and he doesn't want really talk about it, by the way his family is not taking the vaccine, he took alone otherwise he was facing to lose his job.

Here is the information we can find everywhere in any CDC across the world.
"..Once the instructions are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them..."
"..scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine."

My question for any scientist is: Could you please elaborate in details what are those mRNA instructions to build the unique spike proteins?
I guess it is patented technology and nobody will ever know the answer. Unless there is transparency, just like an open source code for software, I will never take any vaccines from now on, specially because they want to use mRNA vaccines to treat all imaginable deceases out there, naming a few: SARS-CoV-2, flu, Zika, rabies, cytomegalovirus,..

Those driven by money and power they will never care about people, they are doing it for wealth accumulation and power (pure selfishness). By the way companies exist for profit not for charity, specially in the big pharma world.

The MSM just play their role to make people believe and pretend that everything is fine and under control, illusion at best, just shut the TeeVee off and the problem is over, when media realize that their is no audience, they can't communicate their agenda, what are they going to do?


I am quoting my own post, only for keep on track ..

I am very curious about all the ingredients/components of those vaccines out there, after listening to a podcast with Dr. Sherri, she said something about Pfizer released a document stating all the "ingredients" in their vaccine.. well after digging a little bit I found it, here it goes:

1. NAME OF THE MEDICINAL PRODUCT

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 concentrate for solution for injection


2. QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE COMPOSITION

This is a multidose vial and must be diluted before use. 1 vial (0.45 mL) contains 6 doses of
30 micrograms of BNT162b2 RNA (embedded in lipid nanoparticles), see section 4.2.
COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is highly purified single-stranded, 5’-capped messenger RNA (mRNA) produced by cell-free in vitro transcription from the corresponding DNA templates, encoding the viral spike (S) protein of SARS-CoV-2.

Excipients with known effect:
For the full list of excipients, see section 6.1.

...

6.1 List of excipients

This vaccine contains polyethylene glycol/macrogol (PEG) as part of ALC-0159.

ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl) azanediyl)bis (hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate),
ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide,
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine,
cholesterol,
potassium chloride,
potassium dihydrogen phosphate,
sodium chloride,
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate,
sucrose,
water for injections



(follow in the PDF below for a full reading)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/955899/Temporary_Authorisation_HCP_Information_BNT162_6_0_UK_editclean.pdf
Here is the link, just in case it is not embedding correctly https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/955899/Temporary_Authorisation_HCP_Information_BNT162_6_0_UK_editclean.pdf

What I heard weeks ago was very "superficial" about these ingredients, not much specific details, it still lacks specifics, for example WTH is "ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl) azanediyl)bis (hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)" and what about "ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide" ?

I guess I will keep digging until I find the answer, they are closing the circle around us, we unite now and fight this evil or we will die trying.

Right now, I am in contact with one M.D. and one attorney trying to convince them to write a document for how anyone legally can decline a vaccine claiming to be allergic (even if one has no allergies at all - based on lie, after all the whole plandemic is a big lie) to one or more components of the formula or based on another medical condition, it is so many variables that's pretty hard to organize the idea.

Here they say:
"Contraindications

Do not administer Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to individuals with known history of a severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) to any component of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (see Full EUA Prescribing Information).

Warnings

Appropriate medical treatment used to manage immediate allergic reactions must be immediately available in the event an acute anaphylactic reaction occurs following administration of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine."

ref.: https://vxlabels.com/lib/vaccines/vax/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-1/


and here in this article from (2020-12-27) there is the ingredients for others developers:

Moderna (mRNA-1273)

Synthetic messenger RNA (mRNA) encoding the pre-fusion stabilized Spike glycoprotein (S) of SARS-CoV-2 virus, 100 mcg
IMPORTANT: The Moderna patent states that the mRNA also encodes for the protein, flagellin, an unapproved vaccine adjuvant used to stimulate the pro-inflammatory Toll-like receptor 5 (TLR5)
Lipid: (SM-102, 1,2-dimyristoyl-rac-glycero3-methoyxy-polyethylene glycol-2000 [PEG2000-DMG]
Lipid: 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]), 93 mg
Lipid: cholesterol
tromethamine, 31 mg – this is a prescription medication used to treat metabolic acidosis
tromethamine hydrochloride, 18 mg
acetic acid, 0.42 mg
sodium acetate, 0.12 mg
sucrose, 43.5 mg

AstraZeneca (AZD1222) (ChAdOx1 nCoV-19)

List of excipients – unknown amounts:
L-Histidine
L-Histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
Magnesium chloride hexahydrate
Polysorbate 80
Ethanol
Sucrose
Sodium chloride
Disodium edetate dihydrate
Water for injections

Ref.: https://vaxxter.com/the-covid-vaccines-part-1/


Some more info:

MedAlerts
https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19


VAERS - Vaccine Adverse Even Reporting System, update their data every Friday if I am not wrong.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/datasets.html


Pfizer Reporting System
https://www.pfizersafetyreporting.com/#/en


Global Information About Pfizer‑BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine (also known as BNT162b2)
For health care prfessionals and citizens
https://www.cvdvaccine.com/


Comparison of Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP)
https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/cicp-vicp
(VACCINE ADMINISTRATION UNDER EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION)
My guess is: NO compensation for injuries or death due to covid vaccines, because probably it will be impossible to prove the death due to a vaccine, simple like that. FDA has it all for anyone more interested.


The information is around for at least 3 months about all the components of the vaccines, when I asked a M.D. what are those components, his answer was "I do not know". We are being heavily played, even the ones who we consider to be our friends, could be the ones putting a knife in our backs. ( sorry for rant :) )


Perhaps someone already posted it in another thread, but I couldn't find, please Mods feel free to move where it belongs. Thanks.

[avid]

It’s deciphering of common denominators. Chain-link puzzling.
Polysorbate 80 for me is an allergic flag. I am not risking anything containing this/or similar descriptive, being introduced to my body.
There are conflicting descriptions of the same ‘constituents’. Therefore, a lack of clarity = a lack of honesty = decliners.

[Elainie]

The Rockefeller 2010 plan but this planned pandemic to happen, to kill off the population? If so, why argue about it being a vaccine which it is not. Israel is reportedly forcing their population to take it and the report on this site says 40 times more people over 65 have died than would have had they not taken it, and something like 350 times more people under that age have died. If people are dying of something that was not there before, the CDC Inc. put it out there to kill people, so that they could murder Earth's population while making loads of money doing it. It would be appropriate for the Rulers to take the poison before the people. This is against the Nuremberg Code? When it is injected into us OUR BODIES ARE THEN OWNED BY THEM! Progressively, after a series of injections which target the BODY AS THE ENEMY TO BE ATTACKED WE WILL DIE, so expiring right away is not going to happen. If we did, people would cease to take the injection. That is why they are doing everything incrementally. In my opinion, the people should dispose of places that create death and those that dispense it. Your Rulers obviously have AGREED to KILL YOU.


My daughter works in hospice, she used to love her job, lately she says it's been so distressing. She wanted me to get the word out, she's witnessing people of all ages being put on hospice and dying/died after the second dose of the covid vaccine. She saw one lady's tumor grow very large popping out of her skin, after the first dose. The second dose killed her. Daily she is seeing this, spoke to the head RN who also agreed, this is unlike anything they've seen before. PS, they have never witnesses an actual "covid 19" death from the virus.

[RunningDeer]

It’s deciphering of common denominators. Chain-link puzzling.
Polysorbate 80 for me is an allergic flag. I am not risking anything containing this/or similar descriptive, being introduced to my body.
There are conflicting descriptions of the same ‘constituents’. Therefore, a lack of clarity = a lack of honesty = decliners.
Food additives are everywhere, but unless you’re actively looking for them, you may not realize how common they are. Polysorbate-80 and carboxymethylcellulose are two such additives that have recently been linked to alterations in gut bacteria and even colon cancer. Be proactive with your colon health by buying organic, reading food labels and making good health-conscious choices, eating whole foods, and promoting a healthy gut.

link (https://www.stopcoloncancernow.com/buttseriously/healthy-living-tips/the-dangers-of-food-additives-how-to-avoid-them)

Is polysorbate 80 dangerous?

In particular, fosaprepitant, which includes polysorbate 80 in its formulation, has been associated with an increased risk of HSRs and other systemic reactions including anaphylaxis; most recently, anaphylactic shock has been added per the 2017 label update.

link (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6015121/)

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks Elaine/ sad to hear

btw I love your painting choice for your avitar

[amor]

I have read that these vaccine(?) creators have made themselves incapable of being sued for damages. How do we do that from the grave? How do we create mandates for others to sue on our behalf after injury, even if we are deceased? We really need to have a way to declare their legislative edict against retaliation a BREACH of our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND HAPPINESS. Are we still under ADMIRALTY LAW or can we CLAIM THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL UNDER COMMON LAW? Lawyers, we need your input NOW!

[amor]

Elainie: Thank you for the information in your post about the patient's tumors growing larger after receiving the so called vaccines. The complicated chemicals (which sound as though they are derivatives of the petro-chemical industry, and carcinogenic) only multiply the body's efforts to get rid of them. They attach themselves to the tumor. The body cannot cope with this poison, even through isolation in a tumor, and the patient dies. This is what Rockefeller, the Government representatives(?), etc., apparently wish, hence the prediction that two hundred million of us are slated for death.

[amor]

Urgent Notice: After leaving this site I went to Mel K on Bit Chute dated Feb. 8/2021 where Mel outlined all the reversals of Trump legislation, etc., to enact and proposals to enact the most vile legislation which would eliminate any possibility that you could have arms to defend yourself, such as $800/year to keep your license to have the gun. All sorts of other penalizing traps that will ensure that if you attempt to have a gun you will end up in jail or psychiatric prison. "America Will Never Be a Communist Country 2/8/21." PLEASE VISIT THIS SITE NOW THERE IS MUCH MUCH MORE YOU NEED TO HEAR.

[RunningDeer]

Urgent Notice: After leaving this site I went to Mel K on Bit Chute dated Feb. 8/2021 where Mel outlined all the reversals of Trump legislation, etc., to enact and proposals to enact the most vile legislation which would eliminate any possibility that you could have arms to defend yourself, such as $800/year to keep your license to have the gun. All sorts of other penalizing traps that will ensure that if you attempt to have a gun you will end up in jail or psychiatric prison. "America Will Never Be a Communist Country 2/8/21." PLEASE VISIT THIS SITE NOW THERE IS MUCH MUCH MORE YOU NEED TO HEAR.

AMERICA WILL NEVER BE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY 2-8-2021



Mel K and Rob Really are back with the real news the propaganda media won’t cover. From the demonization of an American hero to insane Gun Control and another day of Biden’s blunders, Mel and Rob try to find the humor in the madness matrix they are trying to enforce. Keep the faith! Arm yourselves with truth and facts, trust in God, and trust yourself most importantly. America will never be a NWO communist country-that we know for sure! God wins!!

Note that many of the communications platforms are down and are expected to be going down so we all need to be nimble. Adapt and Improvise!

zBMYTAyUivrV

[Bubu]

Urgent Notice: After leaving this site I went to Mel K on Bit Chute dated Feb. 8/2021 where Mel outlined all the reversals of Trump legislation, etc., to enact and proposals to enact the most vile legislation which would eliminate any possibility that you could have arms to defend yourself, such as $800/year to keep your license to have the gun. All sorts of other penalizing traps that will ensure that if you attempt to have a gun you will end up in jail or psychiatric prison. "America Will Never Be a Communist Country 2/8/21." PLEASE VISIT THIS SITE NOW THERE IS MUCH MUCH MORE YOU NEED TO HEAR.

So this psychopaths still thinks that the American people will surrender their self defense after they have declared war to the whole world. They should have done this long ago when things are calmer. If you want your enemies (huge number) to surrender their arms. You go to them and pretend to be a benevolent friend. They will probably give you what you want. But if you go to them with gun already cock aimed at them and you tell them to surrender their self defense, you'll probably get shot before you finish your discourse. When things does not go as planned that's when you see how dumb these people are. Say "panic"

America is their military force they knew that the Americans will not cooperate with them with their plans to start world war 3 and so they are trying desperately to disarm American people.

The world is counting on the Americans this time and I am pretty sure Americans will rise to the occasion. When this is over I will be glad to prepare a place by the beach for a couple of Americans friends who wants to chill out in the tropics:)

[prc]

First of all, Doctors take monthly payments from Farmaceutical companies to prescribe their medicines, so their opinion cannot be counted on anymore unfortunately. We have to rely on ourselves by exchanging experience on alternative websites on internet where we can still manifest our opinion and we can still express our thoughts.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=228582

Please read the article above about side effects reported in UK for Oxford/Astrazeneca and Pfizer vaccines, read also the comment section. And see if you want to take the risk to be vaccinated with those two vaccines.

It is important to express here that I am not anti-vax, but regarding COVID 19 vaccines I am only interested to take the SINOPHARM/COronavac Chinese vaccine that is manufactured with innactive SARS-COV virus, a technology that exist for 70 years and the same technology that was employed in the vaccines that I have taken in my childhood and my mother´s childhood.

I am not wiiling and I will not Take any MRNA Covid Vaccine, or any new technology like OXFORD/ASTRAZENECA or SPUTINIK V (from Russia) that is manufactured with new technology non-existent before. I am not a guinea pig, And by the way this vaccines were not employed on animals before for what I could gather.Nor I think animals deserve to have those side effects.

So this is my opinion, I hope I could offer some information that will be useful for you and others Avalonians.

KInd Regards,

A friend from Brazil

[Ernie Nemeth]

Research doctors are already salivating over the prospect of melding AI and mRNA technology to cure every malady under the sun. Those that these 'experts' converse with (friends, co-workers, family, 'jounalists') are being exposed to these dangerous ideas with no prior knowledge or any reason to suspect it might turn out otherwise...(first-hand experience formed this assertion)

[amor]

Dear Ernie Nemeth: Thank you for your above post. It has made my mind up about MED-BEDS. These space-age wonder healing beds which claim to be able to do everything from age reversal, complicated surgeries AND manipulation of the human Genome to fix all sorts of ailments and injuries including, regrowing limbs were reportedly withheld from us while the Pharmaceutical Industry invented novel ways to murder us. I, like most people, wondered why these beds would be withheld from the human race. They were reportedly given to us by an Alien race. I, for one, can think of quite a number of fixes I need as a result of injuries acquired from doing work no woman should attempt indefinitely.

Then, I added two and two together. Nano vaccine technology of mRNA reportedly to turn us into soulless cyborgs. Wouldn't this be more easily accomplished on a Med Bed? Imagine the entire world population lining up for this repair work!

Then there is the biblical prophesy in Revelations about the Great Deception. From Human to Cyborg and from human to dead person would be a quick way to eliminate the world population and also generate cyborg slaves all at once.

Then there was the remote viewing of Major Ed Dames who saw the Crystalline Entity which was psychically evil. He thought he escaped its notice. Elsewhere in my readings I happened upon remarks about AI's having taken over many planets of biological beings with AI's. What a wonderfully clever way to do it, with Med Beds.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Amor.

I am not sure what you read into the few sentences I wrote. I want to be clear as this is an important topic. I have had the opportunity to briefly discuss this idea with top research doctors in Canada and those that are funding them. Brain surgeons gathering information on brain tumours using twin studies...who see great promise in mRNA recombinant technology and advances in computer hardware and fuzzy logic software.

They foresee the day in the not too distant future where AI will be able to target, map, design, and tailor-make specific gene altering 'therapies' for many of today's intractable diseases.

[palehorse]

If I may, I have a silly question

I am also hearing and read somewhere here on Avalon is that with vaccines would be possible to disconnect the pineal gland from our vital energy (sorry do not know the correct terms to refer to it), assuming there is a soul/spirit inhabiting our physical bodies, where are they going to cage/jail our souls ? The entire thing does not add up to me, anyway in last case scenario I would not surrender even if it means death, I am ready. :)

[Bubu]

If I may, I have a silly question

I am also hearing and read somewhere here on Avalon is that with vaccines would be possible to disconnect the pineal gland from our vital energy (sorry do not know the correct terms to refer to it), assuming there is a soul/spirit inhabiting our physical bodies, where are they going to cage/jail our souls ? The entire thing does not add up to me, anyway in last case scenario I would not surrender even if it means death, I am ready. :)

Disconnect is the correct word not jail me thinks. our minds body and soul are already disconnected most of the times with so much pollution physical mental electronic name it. Their aim is to further disconnect body mind and soul. Human is a marriage of soul mind and matter. What would we be once it is totally disconnected? Walking dead?

[Ernie Nemeth]

In each of us there is a spark.

That is the only truth.

Truth is a misnomer, however. Better to call it purity. The spark is pure. The rest of this so-called 'reality' is impure. That is why it was said man was made from clay. The spark was wrapped in and almost totally obscured by impurity.

In order to purify the 'soul' the impurity must be removed. In esoteric terms, this means: to release the spark one must reject all attachment.

This impure body is the trap for the soul. The body is a golem without the soul. The spark is trapped within the body, which is merely a vessel or a clever means to contain that which cannot be contained.

When the spark detaches from the body, it is purified and returns to the realm of the living God. Remember Jesus said: My kingdom is not of this world.

This world, this 'reality', is the realm of the unclean, the blighted one, the fallen angel, the anti-Christ. All of it is impure and is a curse upon the innocence of God's lost children. Each must attempt to purify themselves in order to release the only reality there is in this world - the divine and unique spark of God.

The rest of the universe is an invention, a sophistication, a travesty, designed for one purpose - to remake creation in the image of the impure one, the unwashed usurper, the pretender to the Throne of the Almighty.

It was the deceiver, the king of death, who wrapped us in clay, and cursed us to die and walk among ghosts through a world of death. It was this mistaken spark who spat upon the gift of God and made a mockery of life. This being of light that chose darkness deserves only our pity - and our forgiveness as we reject death and choose to return to the Light. That is the method of purification.

That which is made by God can never die to Truth. Nor can it forget its Maker. :heart:

Beauty and purity is our essence. That does not require a body.

[palehorse]

If I may, I have a silly question

I am also hearing and read somewhere here on Avalon is that with vaccines would be possible to disconnect the pineal gland from our vital energy (sorry do not know the correct terms to refer to it), assuming there is a soul/spirit inhabiting our physical bodies, where are they going to cage/jail our souls ? The entire thing does not add up to me, anyway in last case scenario I would not surrender even if it means death, I am ready. :)

Disconnect is the correct word not jail me thinks. our minds body and soul are already disconnected most of the times with so much pollution physical mental electronic name it. Their aim is to further disconnect body mind and soul. Human is a marriage of soul mind and matter. What would we be once it is totally disconnected? Walking dead?

Thanks Bubu for your answer, I agree the background noisy is just amazing.. but even living immersed in all of it, some still recognize it and not identifying themselves, but most people can't see that, everything is just normal..
Well, about walking dead? hahaha it is tragic and comic at the same time, I once participated in a workshop where the main theme was based on the book called "The Human Biological Machine as a Transformational Apparatus" written by E.J.GOLD (the same author of: American Book of the Dead), in resume the workshop was exactly how humans can be compared to robots that only receive instructions and live their lives to full fill their roles in the big game machine, most people has no clue at all what they are doing except that they are councious about their roles, they just do, repeat and do it again, until get old, retire and die. Then when you say "Walking Dead" I agree with you, but there is many different perspectives of it.




In each of us there is a spark.

That is the only truth.

Truth is a misnomer, however. Better to call it purity. The spark is pure. The rest of this so-called 'reality' is impure. That is why it was said man was made from clay. The spark was wrapped in and almost totally obscured by impurity.

In order to purify the 'soul' the impurity must be removed. In esoteric terms, this means: to release the spark one must reject all attachment.

This impure body is the trap for the soul. The body is a golem without the soul. The spark is trapped within the body, which is merely a vessel or a clever means to contain that which cannot be contained.

When the spark detaches from the body, it is purified and returns to the realm of the living God. Remember Jesus said: My kingdom is not of this world.

This world, this 'reality', is the realm of the unclean, the blighted one, the fallen angel, the anti-Christ. All of it is impure and is a curse upon the innocence of God's lost children. Each must attempt to purify themselves in order to release the only reality there is in this world - the divine and unique spark of God.

The rest of the universe is an invention, a sophistication, a travesty, designed for one purpose - to remake creation in the image of the impure one, the unwashed usurper, the pretender to the Throne of the Almighty.

It was the deceiver, the king of death, who wrapped us in clay, and cursed us to die and walk among ghosts through a world of death. It was this mistaken spark who spat upon the gift of God and made a mockery of life. This being of light that chose darkness deserves only our pity - and our forgiveness as we reject death and choose to return to the Light. That is the method of purification.

That which is made by God can never die to Truth. Nor can it forget its Maker. :heart:

Beauty and purity is our essence. That does not require a body.


Thanks Ernie, I appreciated very much what you wrote. I made one sentence in Bold, because it is exactly what Buddhism says in it's scriptures.


When I was actively working (employed) in the IT industry, it was so mechanic, oh lord it was so bureaucratic and dead boring, after all I was just a worker, few times tried to touch subjects like this but not a single one in my cast want to engage, everything trusted by them is mainstream, I remember talking about meditation with Christians colleagues and they all raised their eye browns, instead they invited me to their churches, subjects like Yoga, retreats in isolation for many days, self medication with natural plants, was out of question, only for nuts, nowadays we see it is all distorted /inverted in the mainstream, and now it is fine (in their own distorted way), acceptable by society. Most of these CEO/CTO of big tech and financial institutions make use of LSD/DMT/Peyote name it! I know a former Linux kernel programmer that made use of LSD when he needed to be "creative", today leaders get stoned and it is all fine, the mass is being driven by lunatics and psychopaths and they want to strip away even our rights of thinking by ourselves.

Hopefully the mass will stand in time and the cabal will fall on their knees.
The mind programming is every where we can imagine.

Thanks for answers. :thumbsup:

[amor]

Dear Ernie: You are a romantic and a spiritual poet. How beautifully you expressed your feelings above. Somewhere I read a post that the awful thing about being beheaded is that your soul is trapped between your lower spine and your neck when you lose your head. But this has to be faulty thinking because your soul is what imagines and creates the body form and must therefore be exterior to it; therefore, no form of physical death can kill your soul which is eternal while connected to the Godhead from whom we emanate.

To Bubu and Palehorse:

Now as to your posts below about scientists messing with the human genome, about the detailed structure of which they know little to nothing (it is not like adding salt and pepper to a pot of stew), in the case of mRNA, if I understand it correctly, this nano particle brings with it a lot of petro-chemical poisons and attach to some DNA in such a way that instead of the body regarding the mRNA concoction as an enemy and sending soldiers out to fight it, the mRNA is in a stronger position than the body and attacks the body and KILLS IT. So we are not taking in a Vaccine, but the equivalent of a deadly poison against which the body has no defense. The Scamming Scientists know this, which makes them Murderers.

Alternately, the nano scientists are trying, reportedly, to install an electronic program by attaching the mRNA nano particles onto Genes which they have engineered will transform us into a controllable programmable device, Cyborgs, which, incidentally, will override the free will of the soul.