The answer to the whole vaccination issue

[Constance]

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[Strat]

No adult should be allowed to choose for their child for at least 2 years after they have completed their rounds.


This is where you lose me. You can't tell others how to raise their children because they have a different opinions on what's healthy. There are millions upon millions of hard working, intelligent, good willed people who have a different intuition than you or I. It would be wrong to make demands on how they raise their children.

I'm not getting the vaccine. I actually had this discussion today while walking my dog. A stranger chatted with me about it, he was vaccinated and asked if I was getting it. Still, I wouldn't tell the guy how he should raise his children.

[mijatoca]

Aye is too short for a reply on this board so I'd say amen, but I'm not religious, so I'll say F#ck Yah!

[East Sun]

From the desk of Brian Gerard Schaefer

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Vaccinate all the politicians and medical people who are pushing it first, then all the public who wants it and not limit it to age or role.

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Great idea, Except that, that could and probably would be faked to
fool the people who are not in those categories.

[Delight]

From the desk of Brian Gerard Schaefer

The answer to the whole vaccination issue is very simple:
Let every adult who wants it go first.
No adult should be allowed to choose for their child for at least 2 years after they have completed their rounds.
Vaccinate all the politicians and medical people who are pushing it first, then all the public who wants it and not limit it to age or role.
Then we can watch the side effects over the next couple of years to make sure they are safe for the rest of us.
Give the sheeple what they want and let them suffer the consequences of their wilful ignorance.

All those in favour say "Aye"!

Yes, "Aye". Of course this is a great answer. How will this be implemented? I am concerned that my leaders do not follow my suggestions. Even my neighbors think the covid disease and other epidemics are deadly and make vaccination a necessary evil.

I don't think vaccines are at all useful but always thought that adults have the right to vaccinate themselves. There have been adult injuries and we are seeing how the onslaught of autoimmune diseases are accepted as normal but are NOT. Remember vaccination started way back in the 1930s.

Children HAVE been gravely harmed by vaccination.
Unfortunately, parents have the responsibility to care for their children. I support their right to make decisions.

Informed consent of the truth about the benefit versus risk is SUPPOSED to be basic and is NOT. People are FORCED to comply or leave society and have no income. This is criminal but the population agrees to comply.
My rage is the mandating of vaccines by government, employers and educators.

If we were free of mandates, I would be in a whole different mind set and be less upset. We see the plan for Universal mandatory vaccinations and "vaccine passports". It looks terrifying. There is no place to go.

IMO the only answer to the vaccination issue that can stop the mandates and injury horror is removal of release of all liability for the manufacturers and the providers.

[Peace in Oz]

From the desk of Brian Gerard Schaefer




The answer to the whole vaccination issue is very simple:
Let every adult who wants it go first.
No adult should be allowed to choose for their child for at least 2 years after they have completed their rounds.
Vaccinate all the politicians and medical people who are pushing it first, then all the public who wants it and not limit it to age or role.
Then we can watch the side effects over the next couple of years to make sure they are safe for the rest of us.
Give the sheeple what they want and let them suffer the consequences of their wilful ignorance.

All those in favour say "Aye"!


There are a couple of issues with this approach:
- The division between humans will deepen. The vaccinated will be controlled like zombies through media and 5G technology and will be set against the non-vaccinated, who will be considered dissidents, rebels, domestic terrorists etc, and all attempts will be made to crush them.
- Politicians will not take the real vaccine, they know too well. They can have saline water or whatever they want and parade in front of the TV as vaccinated. We learnt not to trust them.
- Vaccination of medical people will result in a crisis with no medical help for the more and more sick people, and this will further lead to economic and social chaos.

[Strat]

We see the plan for Universal mandatory vaccinations and "vaccine passports".

Are you of the opinion that this has existed for quite some time? If I were to travel to certain countries I'd have to get a bunch of shots.

[Patient]

From the desk of Brian Gerard Schaefer




The answer to the whole vaccination issue is very simple:
Let every adult who wants it go first.
No adult should be allowed to choose for their child for at least 2 years after they have completed their rounds.
Vaccinate all the politicians and medical people who are pushing it first, then all the public who wants it and not limit it to age or role.
Then we can watch the side effects over the next couple of years to make sure they are safe for the rest of us.
Give the sheeple what they want and let them suffer the consequences of their wilful ignorance.

All those in favour say "Aye"!


Isn't this what is happening more or less in most of the world anyway?

[thepainterdoug]

May need some tweaking constance, but i like it ! Mostly all politicians first!

[Tigger]

From the desk of Brian Gerard Schaefer




The answer to the whole vaccination issue is very simple:
Let every adult who wants it go first.
No adult should be allowed to choose for their child for at least 2 years after they have completed their rounds.
Vaccinate all the politicians and medical people who are pushing it first, then all the public who wants it and not limit it to age or role.
Then we can watch the side effects over the next couple of years to make sure they are safe for the rest of us.
Give the sheeple what they want and let them suffer the consequences of their wilful ignorance.

All those in favour say "Aye"!


Isn't this what is happening more or less in most of the world anyway?

Umm, no. It's clear that it's being pushed onto people who don't want it. Look at Indonesia and Israel as examples. They want everyone to have it. No freedom of choice there. It's not just being offered to anyone who really wants it. It's literally being forced on populations by coercion or penalty.

As someone who used to make vaccines a long time ago I can assure you that if it's been developed and rushed through in less than a year, it's highly dangerous and risky for anyone who takes it. It takes about 5-7 years for new vaccines to go through the standard set of challenges and clinical trials. Otherwise we have no way of knowing how the immune system is going to respond to potential complications and cross-reactions with other substances or immune challenges.

One really should be asking, how and why has a vaccine developed so quickly with an unprecedented and coordinated attempt to jab as many people as possible? What is this 'vaccine' really?

Something is clearly out of place.

[Constance]

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[Constance]

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[Strat]

I'm having issues with the quote button. I can't quote Constance's last message in it's entirety. Anyway..

Constance, you said,
Up until now, I've been very private about my direct experiences because I never wanted what I had to share to be misrepresented or misinterpreted (look at what has happened with those who have shared in the past here!) and in addition to this, I'm aware that predictive programming can be an issue. I'm also a very private person.

As I've been saying more lately, I'm trying to keep my identity anonymous online. So in some sense I can appreciate your privacy. Other than that, I'm extremely blunt, open, and honest in my beliefs. I feel this is the best method for communicating ideas, though I understand 'blunt' sometimes comes across as rude. So for this reason I will PM you later. There is a 'thing you do' that I've now noticed for the second time I want to point out to you, with love. I mean no harm. It is hard for me to articulate my thoughts at times. In a public forum I can sound mean but in a private context then I think that conveys my intentions more appropriately.

As we've done in the past we may just agree to disagree but that's ok. You're still my buddy :handshake:

[Constance]

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[Constance]

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[Delight]

We see the plan for Universal mandatory vaccinations and "vaccine passports".

Are you of the opinion that this has existed for quite some time? If I were to travel to certain countries I'd have to get a bunch of shots.

Yes. Think about how many vaxxes all the military uses. I don't think vaccinations are useful AT ALL. Vaccinations have always had unintended consequences. People and all other creatures vaccinated become weakened. I cannot help but connect the many dots together and come up with the intended destruction of civilization as the core element behind this timeline.

I once spent quite a long time researching the Heathen destruction in history. Some have said that this culture was the last bits of "high age" culture. You could associate the qualities with cooperation with nature, matriarchy, EARTH MAGIC. The lineage seemed to retain the highly civilized ETHOS of cooperation. The Roman Catholic Church went to war against the heathen.

The history of the last thousands of years is one where time and time again, people "rise" to greater connection with INTELLIGENCE and war wrecks the progress.

I do not know anything first hand EXCEPT that I have the whole cloth feeling I TAP INTO IN MY HEART of an Ideal. I imagine a global honor, respect and love state of tolerance. I imagine cleaning up all the chemicals . I rejoice in how resilient we are as a whole world ORGANIC COMMUNION. I know there is a place we are longing to create where we could have heaven on earth. It is in my mind based on what I think/feel I would like to experience. That is all I really know.

I love freedom of thought and speech. I love diverse experiences and food. I love KNOWING my body is self healing. I LOVE knowing that I am never alone because I KNOW that Intelligent Infinity is with me all ways. My heroes all describe the same kind of Enveloping Presence that helps.

I must respect that each person is responsible and able to develop their path to resuming contact. If you cannot sense that contact, it cannot enter in to our lives and alchemize, transform and restore. Think of the stories of people connecting in Emergency and the miraculous changes. These are about the Divine science where Consciousness is involved in Creation.

One of the intentions that have been around as long as we can imagine back was to break our relationship with Creator. In this I guess we can observe that the original nemesis of human kind is ignorance. Ignorance is being oblivious. I keep imagining that this "time" will galvanize people and they will literally be forced to allow the Power of a Living God to be acknowledged and utilized.

IMO there is teleology we could know. IMO The idea that God is ever expanding in Elegance and in Love. The feeling of BEING BELOVED makes us so whole. Love is real. Intelligent LOVE with purpose is where we can turn. IMO God (the relationship forged) is meant to be our haven and protection in a practical way. If any one who reads this thinks it is woowoo, I remember thinking that God might be real but never FEELING the Presence.

I presume those who master shifting attention to the vertical axis and keep their center IN GOD are rewarded with insight and energy. Free will means we must choose what we experience. I will believe seemingly impossible things I LOVE. I will hold my mind and heart in the feeling of RELIEF that the Ignorance which has led this collective story is enlightened. I always loved the idea that as Metanoia a sudden change of Mind makes heaven visible.

[Patient]

From the desk of Brian Gerard Schaefer




The answer to the whole vaccination issue is very simple:
Let every adult who wants it go first.
No adult should be allowed to choose for their child for at least 2 years after they have completed their rounds.
Vaccinate all the politicians and medical people who are pushing it first, then all the public who wants it and not limit it to age or role.
Then we can watch the side effects over the next couple of years to make sure they are safe for the rest of us.
Give the sheeple what they want and let them suffer the consequences of their wilful ignorance.

All those in favour say "Aye"!


Isn't this what is happening more or less in most of the world anyway?

Umm, no. It's clear that it's being pushed onto people who don't want it. Look at Indonesia and Israel as examples. They want everyone to have it. No freedom of choice there. It's not just being offered to anyone who really wants it. It's literally being forced on populations by coercion or penalty.

As someone who used to make vaccines a long time ago I can assure you that if it's been developed and rushed through in less than a year, it's highly dangerous and risky for anyone who takes it. It takes about 5-7 years for new vaccines to go through the standard set of challenges and clinical trials. Otherwise we have no way of knowing how the immune system is going to respond to potential complications and cross-reactions with other substances or immune challenges.

One really should be asking, how and why has a vaccine developed so quickly with an unprecedented and coordinated attempt to jab as many people as possible? What is this 'vaccine' really?

Something is clearly out of place.

Yes, of course. That is why I said "most" of the world. I feel really bad for those wherever they are that are having it forced upon them. Even being fined for not taking it is a way out, but I suspect that that will not even be an option for some.

And I have the same thoughts as you. As soon as it had started to come out and I heard Bill Gates say that he wanted to get it to the entire world asap, I knew it was because then we wouldn't be given the time to see the side effects that it brings. Or rather the true goal of the vaccine would be discovered by the majority of the population too late.

I am comforted to know that we all share similar views on the subject.

[DaveToo]

- Politicians will not take the real vaccine, they know too well. They can have saline water or whatever they want and parade in front of the TV as vaccinated. We learnt not to trust them.


I talked about what I saw happening in the future several times here w.r.t. vaccines, testing etc.
My predictions have already started to come true.

I said that a black market would quickly develop for fake test results and fake vaccine certificates etc.

I have a close friend in an East European country where they play fast and loose all the time with these sorts of things.
They have already started selling fake test results and probably have fake vaccine certificates as well.
My friend will be buying a fake test certificate shortly.
By 'fake' certificates, I mean the certificates are genuine, but the test or vaccine was never administered.

With so many fake results the entire world will soon be diluted with meaningless vaccines/tests etc.
It's all one big sham/scam.

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings
I take offence when folks call this shot a vaccine
ITS NOT...it is experimental gene manipulation...know the difference !!!....
Blessings

[Constance]

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[Blacklight43]

https://ceflixwebusergen-6923f64a.s3.amazonaws.com/processed/2349-160926730210057632680.mp4
According to the Moderna website the vaccine is an operating system not a vaccine.

[gini]

Deepak Chopra & Sadhguru talk about the ineffective vaccine & behaviour control

19 May 2021


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJPYJQYnySQ

[ralfy]

From the desk of Brian Gerard Schaefer




The answer to the whole vaccination issue is very simple:
Let every adult who wants it go first.
No adult should be allowed to choose for their child for at least 2 years after they have completed their rounds.
Vaccinate all the politicians and medical people who are pushing it first, then all the public who wants it and not limit it to age or role.
Then we can watch the side effects over the next couple of years to make sure they are safe for the rest of us.
Give the sheeple what they want and let them suffer the consequences of their wilful ignorance.

All those in favour say "Aye"!


That's being done right now in countries like the Philippines, which is very pro-U.S, a liberal democracy, and neoliberalist. The irony is that Filipinos are fighting over vaccines because there aren't enough, and that's because they were hoarded in richer countries where many don't want to take them.

The reason why Filipinos are acting that way isn't because they're sheeple but because several of their relatives were hospitalized and the costs reached around AU$27,000 per person, while the ave. monthly wage is less than AU$400 a month. There's also not much available for public health care: the government only has on ave. AU$176 a year per person. There are only around 5 hospital beds and 10 doctors for every 10,000 people.

[Bubu]

I have talk to two seniors who got the vaccine. one 72 years old, he told me that he got the vaccine immediately when became available locally. that's like 3 months ago. He said there is absolutely no side effects. The other one 74 years old, got it 9 days ago via invitation from health department. Last time I talked to him 2 days ago. he said he is still very weak and unable to go out of the house. I was at their place 8 hours ago to see him. I was informed that he went to the hospital. I also talked to a village chief (government official) who got the vaccine, He said there is absolutely no side effects.

Makes me conclude that they are giving placebo to the first batch and government officials to make them a good example for everyone. But lets not forget that there is a second shot.

The suggestion of Brian in this case is very flawed something that the vaccine promoters will recommend themselves.

[Gracy]

I have talk to two seniors who got the vaccine. one 72 years old, he told me that he got the vaccine immediately when became available locally. that's like 3 months ago. He said there is absolutely no side effects. The other one 74 years old, got it 9 days ago via invitation from health department. Last time I talked to him 2 days ago. he said he is still very weak and unable to go out of the house. I was at their place 8 hours ago to see him. I was informed that he went to the hospital. I also talked to a village chief (government official) who got the vaccine, He said there is absolutely no side effects.

Makes me conclude that they are giving placebo to the first batch and government officials to make them a good example for everyone. But lets not forget that there is a second shot.

I'm seeing the placebo thing more and more, as a catch all for when evidence on the ground doesn't match up with prevailing narratives.

Magnet doesn't stick to your arm? You had the placebo. Didn't get critically ill? You got the placebo. Haven't seen this one yet but I'm watchful: People around you aren't getting sick by your shedding? You got the placebo.

Is there any evidence of a placebo program in effect? For the objective researcher this would be a very critical question to try and track down.

[DaveToo]

I have talk to two seniors who got the vaccine. one 72 years old, he told me that he got the vaccine immediately when became available locally. that's like 3 months ago. He said there is absolutely no side effects. The other one 74 years old, got it 9 days ago via invitation from health department. Last time I talked to him 2 days ago. he said he is still very weak and unable to go out of the house. I was at their place 8 hours ago to see him. I was informed that he went to the hospital. I also talked to a village chief (government official) who got the vaccine, He said there is absolutely no side effects.

Makes me conclude that they are giving placebo to the first batch and government officials to make them a good example for everyone. But lets not forget that there is a second shot.

I'm seeing the placebo thing more and more, as a catch all for when evidence on the ground doesn't match up with prevailing narratives.

Magnet doesn't stick to your arm? You had the placebo. Didn't get critically ill? You got the placebo. Haven't seen this one yet but I'm watchful: People around you aren't getting sick by your shedding? You got the placebo.

Is there any evidence of a placebo program in effect? For the objective researcher this would be a very critical question to try and track down.

I like to take the same measured approach as you do when assessing new information coming down the Covid pike.
I don't jump on any bandwagon with reckless abandon.

In this case, I don't think we will ever know if placebos have/are being used with the vaccines unless someone in the know blows the whistle.

[Bubu]

I have talk to two seniors who got the vaccine. one 72 years old, he told me that he got the vaccine immediately when became available locally. that's like 3 months ago. He said there is absolutely no side effects. The other one 74 years old, got it 9 days ago via invitation from health department. Last time I talked to him 2 days ago. he said he is still very weak and unable to go out of the house. I was at their place 8 hours ago to see him. I was informed that he went to the hospital. I also talked to a village chief (government official) who got the vaccine, He said there is absolutely no side effects.

Makes me conclude that they are giving placebo to the first batch and government officials to make them a good example for everyone. But lets not forget that there is a second shot.

I'm seeing the placebo thing more and more, as a catch all for when evidence on the ground doesn't match up with prevailing narratives.

Magnet doesn't stick to your arm? You had the placebo. Didn't get critically ill? You got the placebo. Haven't seen this one yet but I'm watchful: People around you aren't getting sick by your shedding? You got the placebo.

Is there any evidence of a placebo program in effect? For the objective researcher this would be a very critical question to try and track down.

I like to take the same measured approach as you do when assessing new information coming down the Covid pike.
I don't jump on any bandwagon with reckless abandon.

In this case, I don't think we will ever know if placebos have/are being used with the vaccines unless someone in the know blows the whistle.

But... logic tells us that if we want to fish we need some form of bait. I have actually talked to the father-in-law of the said village chief who was himself a former village chief now 72 years old. and he came up with the analogy by himself almost instantly. What a quick mind. So I started telling to him of the things we talked in here and he seem to grasp all of them. A very rare mind nowadays.

[Bubu]

this one takes it a step further than placebo

https://rumble.com/vbysmf-first-covid-vaccination-umc-with-no-vaccine.html?fbclid=IwAR3b_l0LAE-0XayPCiZd6hXG1sfy7SNLYKRCPd_CnmgtWe7fX-JoEPRpX_8

[Sue (Ayt)]

I'm seeing the placebo thing more and more, as a catch all for when evidence on the ground doesn't match up with prevailing narratives.

Magnet doesn't stick to your arm? You had the placebo. Didn't get critically ill? You got the placebo. Haven't seen this one yet but I'm watchful: People around you aren't getting sick by your shedding? You got the placebo.

Is there any evidence of a placebo program in effect? For the objective researcher this would be a very critical question to try and track down.

The only "evidence" I have noted so far were the rather mysterious MSM reports of saline solution"mix-ups" being distributed in a few locations, by mistake. Made me wonder how something like this could happen?

[Bubu]

I'm seeing the placebo thing more and more, as a catch all for when evidence on the ground doesn't match up with prevailing narratives.

Magnet doesn't stick to your arm? You had the placebo. Didn't get critically ill? You got the placebo. Haven't seen this one yet but I'm watchful: People around you aren't getting sick by your shedding? You got the placebo.

Is there any evidence of a placebo program in effect? For the objective researcher this would be a very critical question to try and track down.

The only "evidence" I have noted so far were the rather mysterious MSM reports of saline solution"mix-ups" being distributed in a few locations, by mistake. Made me wonder how something like this could happen?

that's not enough evidence of a placebo. At least for people who don't want to see it that way. And for people who seem to be leaving in fairy tale. Making research for every decision we make is the surest way to move backwards because there is simply not enough time to do so to help us decide in every matter. A 100 government officials who took a vaccine without having side effects as against 100 non gov. officials who took it and got ill is not enough evidence because the research is not conducted properly.

[DaveToo]

I like to take the same measured approach as you do when assessing new information coming down the Covid pike.
I don't jump on any bandwagon with reckless abandon.

In this case, I don't think we will ever know if placebos have/are being used with the vaccines unless someone in the know blows the whistle.

But... logic tells us that if we want to fish we need some form of bait. I have actually talked to the father-in-law of the said village chief who was himself a former village chief now 72 years old. and he came up with the analogy by himself almost instantly. What a quick mind. So I started telling to him of the things we talked in here and he seem to grasp all of them. A very rare mind nowadays.

Yes of course bait is needed.
But even with fishing there are two kinds of bait: worm vs. fake worm (etc.)
So with the vaccine there could well be a genuine experimental injection vs. a placebo.

As I mentioned in my previous post I am open to all the various possibilities but certainly not ready to commit to one or the other yet.

Having said that, at this point I am certainly leaning towards a sizeable number of placebos being used currently.
Given that the 'vaccines' at best are only giving reduced symptoms should a vaccinated person catch CV,
there is little for the jab manufacturers to lose by diluting the jab distribution with placebos (ie. it would be difficult to tell the difference between an infected person with the jab and without). This is because most people who get CV exhibit minor symptoms if any.

[Bubu]

I like to take the same measured approach as you do when assessing new information coming down the Covid pike.
I don't jump on any bandwagon with reckless abandon.

In this case, I don't think we will ever know if placebos have/are being used with the vaccines unless someone in the know blows the whistle.

But... logic tells us that if we want to fish we need some form of bait. I have actually talked to the father-in-law of the said village chief who was himself a former village chief now 72 years old. and he came up with the analogy by himself almost instantly. What a quick mind. So I started telling to him of the things we talked in here and he seem to grasp all of them. A very rare mind nowadays.

Yes of course bait is needed.
But even with fishing there are two kinds of bait: worm vs. fake worm (etc.)
So with the vaccine there could well be a genuine experimental injection vs. a placebo.

As I mentioned in my previous post I am open to all the various possibilities but certainly not ready to commit to one or the other yet.

Having said that, at this point I am certainly leaning towards a sizeable number of placebos being used currently.
Given that the 'vaccines' at best are only giving reduced symptoms should a vaccinated person catch CV,
there is little for the jab manufacturers to lose by diluting the jab distribution with placebos (ie. it would be difficult to tell the difference between an infected person with the jab and without). This is because most people who get CV exhibit minor symptoms if any.

Thanks Dave. My point. What is the big deal with placebos? Is it going to influence our choice or anyone here to get a vaccine? Of course not. Pointing out placebos is a mere strategy for me/us to convince people that would otherwise get a vaccine, to not get it. Now there is convenient evidence out there that is easily believable to them. Why not use it? Why kill ourselves in doing research to come up with absolute truth about placebos, to convince people that most probably will not listen to us anyway? "Living in fairy tale" is a way of saying " we should be more realistic"

[Tyy1907]

I can say that my wife's menstrual cycle is heavier. No other changes other than that. She got the Pfizer and so did I. The vaccine isn't perfect but I still believe it does help undo the handiwork of the creators and introducers of this virus. Hence the reason vaccine fear is promulgated everywhere you look. My .02

[Gracy]

What is the big deal with placebos? Is it going to influence our choice or anyone here to get a vaccine? Of course not. Pointing out placebos is a mere strategy for me/us to convince people that would otherwise get a vaccine, to not get it.

The only thing that's stuck out for me with this placebo thing, as stated earlier on, is that it's a handy excuse to discount any evidence that doesn't fit neatly with any given ongoing narrative. The first time I saw it used was on why a magnet didn't stick to my arm, or my friend's arm, we both obviously had gotten "the placebo".

Case closed let's move on...



Now there is convenient evidence out there that is easily believable to them. Why not use it? Why kill ourselves in doing research to come up with absolute truth about placebos, to convince people that most probably will not listen to us anyway?

No one is asking for absolute truth on the matter, maybe just a little bit of evidence to back up what is being presented in a very authoritative manner in certain cases?

It also comes down to do you want to know what the heck you're talking about? Of course anyone looking at this in an objective manner, is not going to listen very attentively to someone who says there's no time to do any research on the things they're throwing out there.

Why would they?

[DaveToo]

I can say that my wife's menstrual cycle is heavier. No other changes other than that. She got the Pfizer and so did I. The vaccine isn't perfect

Not perfect? That's an understatement. :)


...but I still believe it does help undo the handiwork of the creators and introducers of this virus. Hence the reason vaccine fear is promulgated everywhere you look. My .02


The "creators and introducers of this virus" and the creators of the 'vaccine' are one and the same!

[Bubu]

What is the big deal with placebos? Is it going to influence our choice or anyone here to get a vaccine? Of course not. Pointing out placebos is a mere strategy for me/us to convince people that would otherwise get a vaccine, to not get it.

The only thing that's stuck out for me with this placebo thing, as stated earlier on, is that it's a handy excuse to discount any evidence that doesn't fit neatly with any given ongoing narrative. The first time I saw it used was on why a magnet didn't stick to my arm, or my friend's arm, we both obviously had gotten "the placebo".

Case closed let's move on...



Now there is convenient evidence out there that is easily believable to them. Why not use it? Why kill ourselves in doing research to come up with absolute truth about placebos, to convince people that most probably will not listen to us anyway?

No one is asking for absolute truth on the matter, maybe just a little bit of evidence to back up what is being presented in a very authoritative manner in certain cases?

It also comes down to do you want to know what the heck you're talking about? Of course anyone looking at this in an objective manner, is not going to listen very attentively to someone who says there's no time to do any research on the things they're throwing out there.

Why would they?

thanks for clarifying Gracy, seems we're not on the same page. let's move on.

[Vicus]

maybe this is THE answer...

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica2/esp_sociopol_depopu137.htm

[Bill Ryan]

maybe this is THE answer...

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica2/esp_sociopol_depopu137.htm
Background to the new Nuremberg Trials 2021

A large team of more than 1,000 lawyers and over 10,000 medical experts, led by Dr. Reiner Fuellmich (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_coronavirus187.htm), has initiated legal proceedings against,




the CDC (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industrybigpharma.htm#The_CDC_)

the WHO (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_who-oms.htm)

the Davos Group (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalelite.htm#DAVOS),

...for crimes against humanity. No, unfortunately this is an incorrect report that's gone viral. Dr Fuellmich stated in his excellent recent interview with TassieTiger that it's not true that this is happening.

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[Mike Gorman]

There seems to be a lot of pressure to take this product, however if people truly believe these are 'Vaccines' in the true sense of this word what are they worried about:
if you take the shot you are covered, there is no anxiety for you anymore, it should not bother you if others also comply or if they refuse-it is their funeral right?
Personally the potential risks for me are insignificant, I don't even get the common cold or Flu, I have a robust and remarkable immune system, I even cleared Hep C (12% of the population)
without any symptoms-there is a substantial number of people with natural resistance to this virus, it is 80% identical with SARS in our communities-there is no issue, if you want these dreadful products, take them, leave others alone.
It occurs to me that my post might seem arrogant, or selfish, I am saying that there are plenty of normally healthy folks out there who can easily deal with this illness, the 'solid peasantry' if you like! These public health tyrants can take a hike, we will overcome this.

[Bubu]

There seems to be a lot of pressure to take this product, however if people truly believe these are 'Vaccines' in the true sense of this word what are they worried about:
if you take the shot you are covered, there is no anxiety for you anymore, it should not bother you if others also comply or if they refuse-it is their funeral right?
Personally the potential risks for me are insignificant, I don't even get the common cold or Flu, I have a robust and remarkable immune system, I even cleared Hep C (12% of the population)
without any symptoms-there is a substantial number of people with natural resistance to this virus, it is 80% identical with SARS in our communities-there is no issue, if you want these dreadful products, take them, leave others alone.
It occurs to me that my post might seem arrogant, or selfish, I am saying that there are plenty of normally healthy folks out there who can easily deal with this illness, the 'solid peasantry' if you like! These public health tyrants can take a hike, we will overcome this.

Mike, you are speaking from a logical point of view. We are not dealing with reasonable people at the top and critical minds on our level. We need something else.