Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

[IChingUChing]

Hi all, we are considering moving, possibly to Ecuador or somewhere else in South America and are in the process of looking in to the pros and cons of different countries. We recently visited Sweden as that was an option but have now crossed it off.

Anybody else been looking at a move and want to share what they've found out? We'd be really grateful for any input.

[enfoldedblue]

I think responses are going to be a very subjective. Bill lives there so I assume he likes it. But my friends moved there from Europe and after a year of travelling, looking for a place they felt like settling, they decided it was absolutely not for them. They ended up returning and buying land in the hills of Spain.

I probably should add that I moved from Canada to Australia and after 23 years still love it.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Enfoldedblue is right. This IS a very subjective matter!
"Freer of covid measures" is also a relative thing: you mentioned Sweden. From what I heard, there are now pretty tough measures, compared to very few early last year. So, things like that change too.

It's probably going to be difficult to find any place in Europe that is "easier on the measures".

Outside Europe, there are often other problems and it really depends on what is important for you, it can be very different from person to person.

Personally I am looking more into strengthening the immunesystem (as much as possible), use borax (see the borax conspiracy thread) and trust the spiritual intentions you have.

It doesn't harm to look for a better place of course; my favorite (so far) outside Europe would be Costa Rica.

[Matthew]

I was thinking of moving to another country, my shortlist was South America. Since then I've been talking with a family member about pooling and relocating to an isolated area, but somewhere in the UK. I haven't ruled going abroad out

[Michi]

I am considering to move to Paraguay - namely to El Paraiso Verde (https://paraiso-verde.com/en/el-paraiso-verde/).
It's a community of spiritual minded - non-religious people, mostly of German/Austrian/Swiss origin but also other nationalities are welcome.
There is also a YT channel with many of their videos - mostly in German - but some are subtitled: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM5MrzBythXcWWsCzbV8L6w/videos

Only small caveat is in order to live there, you need to purchase a piece of land (which you subsequently own), but you can get all details from their videos and their website (https://paraiso-verde.com/en/el-paraiso-verde/).

[Johan (Keyholder)]

It is also not "just" the covid-measures that one should take in account I think.

There is a faster and increasing (in size and importance) polarization going on between people that are defending the earth (wanting to be close to nature, in every possible way) and those that are "all in" for AI, transhumanism, ...

There are still places where one can "retreat", being close to nature, creating a small eco-village, and live with a minimum of "technology".

But it takes some searching to find a place that can offer what one is looking for.

[Strat]

Egypt or possibly Uganda is on my radar.

[Eva2]

I am considering to move to Paraguay - namely to El Paraiso Verde (https://paraiso-verde.com/en/el-paraiso-verde/).
It's a community of spiritual minded - non-religious people, mostly of German/Austrian/Swiss origin but also other nationalities are welcome.
There is also a YT channel with many of their videos - mostly in German - but some are subtitled: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM5MrzBythXcWWsCzbV8L6w/videos

Only small caveat is in order to live there, you need to purchase a piece of land (which you subsequently own), but you can get all details from their videos and their website (https://paraiso-verde.com/en/el-paraiso-verde/).

This place sounds wonderful - I'm all set to pack my bags and move there - only problem is the getting there without having something stuck up my nose or a jab in the arm. Wish I'd heard of the this place sooner :) - thanks for sharing

[Patient]

Other things to consider is how you gain entrance to a country - such as buying land or investing in a business. If there are things like that be sure to read and research everything you can about it. Things do not always go as planned. A visa for entry can be subjective and laws can change - be sure that you have a plan 'B'.

Another way to investigate a country that you are interested in is we look at other people that have gone and they report how much they love their decision. So, it is also good to look into people that have gone with a good plan and once they were there they changed their mind. Look up people that "left" the country and why.

Things will be different for everyone depending upon what they are looking for, what they are able to accept, and how adaptable they are willing to be.

There is some truth to an old saying "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence."

I am always looking for a place to go. I guess that is me always being flexible and keeping a plan 'b' active and mentally ready to go.


In my own soul searching, I found that I am a person who has always longed for a place to call home - and I think I might never find it. On the other hand, maybe if I stopped looking I would see that I am home. :)

[Arcturian108]

When one is seeking to move to a new country, there are issues that you probably have never thought about. For instance, have you ever had past lives in that location? If you have, was living there a positive or negative experience? One might then ask, how can I possibly know the answer to such a crazy question!? Well, I have an easy litmus test for this: Which cuisines are your favorites? If you love Japanese food, for instance, you probably had enjoyable past lives in Japan. If you hate some other cuisine, you probably had some bad experiences in that part of the world, or if you are neutral to a particular cuisine, you probably never had a past life in that location.

Another major consideration is something called "Astrocartography" which is the astrological forecast for you in a new location. I would definitely check that out before making a major international move. There is good astrocartography software available. I use Kepler software which has that too. Otherwise consult an astrologer.

Another consideration is your age. Some countries have a hidden agenda in which they won't allow people over the age of 45 to become residents. This is especially true for countries like Australia, that have universal health care. I don't know the current situation there, but most Western countries have set very high bars for residency, except the U.S. which is letting people pour over the borders.

One small spot on Earth that seems to lack most barriers is the Turkish part of Cyprus, which is not officially recognized as existing by any international organization. Only the Greek part of Cyprus is recognized as a duly established government. I know this because I have students there, and have visited those students on several occasions. It has a tempting climate, but is experiencing the Covid plandemic like everywhere else. I think you only have to buy a house there to live there. You can arrive there via the Greek part of the Island, and will need to show your passport when crossing the barrier separating Greek Cypriots from Turkish Cypriots. Since it was a British colony until about 1961, most people on the island speak English.

My favorite country on Earth is Australia, and I am a citizen of that country currently living in America. I hope to return to Australia as soon as some of the Covid craziness subsides. Australia is a socialist country, however, and suffers interminable restrictions and government control as a result. Even with all the restrictions it still has lovely energy.

[East Sun]

Everything depends on your age, your family situation, your skills in the workforce
actually on everything. Ponder well before you go, as an old song goes.
'
Young, single and adventurous, go for it as I did, and never looked back.

do your homework in advance...............

Good luck!!!!!!!

[Mark]

I hear good things about Panama. I have a good friend and Ex-Patriot who has lived there now a few years. She started in Costs Rica for a year of so but found Panama more to her liking. Knowing her and myself, I’m pretty sure we share many of the same considerations.

When I left the states and moved to Canada in 2010, I wasn’t planning on coming back. I was “called” to return in early 2013. After all I’ve been through the past few years, I’m not feeling that call as strongly as I did anymore. Which might mean I’ve done what I’m supposed to do.

We will see what happens next, but Central and South America are where I’m drawn to, rather than Africa, Europe or Asia.

[Patient]

Oh yeah, I would really enjoy a tropical climate - it has been a cold winter here.

Would be fun if a bunch of Avalonians moved south - we could all have a meet-up in Ecuador with Bill!

Or if I do get there myself, Bill and everyone could come to my place! Sometimes writing things down helps to make them happen. :)

Anyone ever done one of those "wish" boards where you put a bunch of pictures of the things you want to see happen in your life? I think I am going to try one for a nice place in the south!

[palehorse]

I lived in Brazil for many years, time enough to get a deep insight in their politics and way of life, I still have family and friends over there, now I am living in Thailand, I also liked Taiwan very much.
I have no plan to move around anymore, I am probably settle for life here, I also like it here, unless government/immigration decide they do not want foreign in their lands anymore..
then IF I had to move once again, I would go to Africa (Namibia or Angola), or Central America (Ecuador), or South America (Brazil) or Back home in Portugal (but the increasing level of BS over there, tells me to stay away, actually the same for Brazil right now).
Yeah Ecuador and Namibia are the two places always in my mind, and I never been there before, hopefully one day, even if it is for a short visit. The deserted stunning beaches of Namibia, is just unreal, I once heard it is a surf's paradise with one of the longest waves on earth, more than 2KM in good condition.

But of course, life is not only fun, do your research, not a single place will fit 100% what you are expecting, I say by experience, sometimes you have to learn to live with a few problems, it is not the end of the world. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcI2OFjUEAAU4y_.jpg

[IChingUChing]

Thanks everyone for all your input and insights!

I moved from the UK to Germany in 1999 and have been here since then. The Merkel regime is getting claustrophobic and talk of covid vaccines for children in the summer is just unacceptable to us. Furthermore, they recently introduced 6 to 10 year olds having to wear masks all day in school - FFP2 (a.k.a. N95) masks no less! These masks come under work regulations here where it is strictly provided for how long a worker may wear a mask and how long a break without mask must be - but not for little children!!! Older children must of course also wear masks in school. This is all a disaster for mental, physical and spiritual health. A pediatrician here has done research showing the terrible negative effects of masks on children. This is just one aspect of many which concerns us greatly.

Of course none of us know what the future holds and it could be that after a move, new measures are introduced whereever one moves to and one finds oneself sitting in the same boat again.

Currently we are unsure how to move forward so all your input is most welcome and valuable!

[meat suit]

there are also the safe zones to consider in case of micro nova and pole flip szenario.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oKafyk7MQA&list=PLHSoxioQtwZfY2ISsNBzJ-aOZ3APVS8br&index=9

[Bubu]

If I have to move my top priority will be the energy of the people in the place. I used to be a sailor and been to many places around the world. I like Australia or New Zealand. Very relax, laid back but fun there. But that was 27 years ago.

[Ricker]

Is there another world option? (Asking for a friend):bigsmile:

[Bill Ryan]

Is there another world option? (Asking for a friend):bigsmile:


Military source: some humans are being voluntarily relocated to a Pandora-like planet round Alpha Centauri (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68493-Military-source-some-humans-are-being-voluntarily-relocated-to-a-Pandora-like-planet-round-Alpha-Centauri)

(A fascinating story that I think might be true... but all discussion on that thread, please :) )

:focus:

[chrifri]

I hear good things about Panama. I have a good friend and Ex-Patriot who has lived there now a few years. She started in Costs Rica for a year of so but found Panama more to her liking. Knowing her and myself, I’m pretty sure we share many of the same considerations.

When I left the states and moved to Canada in 2010, I wasn’t planning on coming back. I was “called” to return in early 2013. After all I’ve been through the past few years, I’m not feeling that call as strongly as I did anymore. Which might mean I’ve done what I’m supposed to do.

We will see what happens next, but Central and South America are where I’m drawn to, rather than Africa, Europe or Asia.

Hi Mark
Panama has many advantages for expats. However regarding Covid, Panama has been and still is very restrictive. If you don't mind wearing masks and total or partial lock downs, Panama is OK. But if you do not like wearing masks etc, better check the actual Covid measures with your friend.
One of the countries with less restrictive Covid measures in South America (maybe the country with the least restrictive Covid measures, at least in the Southern part) is Uruguay.

[Bassplayer1]

My husband is older than me and planning to retire in a couple of years. We often talk about where to move to in terms of cost-of-living and vibe. I would love to live in India and my husband keeps suggesting Vietnam! I'd also love to live in the country side, self-sufficiently and free from the State's clutches!

But I guess, a top criteria is spiritual vibe and NO VACCINE!!! I'll consider anywhere that doesn't make people have a vaccine or make them suffer if they don't.

[samsdice]

The folks on this site have a newsletter which covers many South American countries :

https://vivatropical.com/books-reports

[Mark]

I hear good things about Panama. I have a good friend and Ex-Patriot who has lived there now a few years. She started in Costs Rica for a year of so but found Panama more to her liking. Knowing her and myself, I’m pretty sure we share many of the same considerations.

When I left the states and moved to Canada in 2010, I wasn’t planning on coming back. I was “called” to return in early 2013. After all I’ve been through the past few years, I’m not feeling that call as strongly as I did anymore. Which might mean I’ve done what I’m supposed to do.

We will see what happens next, but Central and South America are where I’m drawn to, rather than Africa, Europe or Asia.

Hi Mark
Panama has many advantages for expats. However regarding Covid, Panama has been and still is very restrictive. If you don't mind wearing masks and total or partial lock downs, Panama is OK. But if you do not like wearing masks etc, better check the actual Covid measures with your friend.
One of the countries with less restrictive Covid measures in South America (maybe the country with the least restrictive Covid measures, at least in the Southern part) is Uruguay.

I don't mind.

Considering the nature of the Great Britain, South Africa and now the California variants of the coronavirus that are considered to be not only more contagious but more deadly (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/californias-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-dangerous-the-devil-is-already-here/), it's looking more and more like the earliest version of Covid-19 was just a warm-up, or this thing is just so canny it is figuring out how to evolve better than any other virus ever. My friend has talked about the health climate down there in regards to the rona but she has underlying conditions and so is cautious by nature. Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of that Uruguay, perhaps for not-so-obvious reasons. :)

[Michi]

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[Stephanie]

Maybe a good suggestion for anyone thinking of moving to another country or location,
is go and try for a year or two.
There is so much information on many countries and all the aspects to take into account,
but living and being there gives us a greater understanding.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Maybe a good suggestion for anyone thinking of moving to another country or location,
is go and try for a year or two.
There is so much information on many countries and all the aspects to take into account,
but living and being there gives us a greater understanding.

Another good idea is to learn the language of the country. It will make your life much easier. Remember that every country has it's issues.

[Jim_Duyer]

I've been living in Costa Rica for 23 years now. One or two comments I can make about the above comments.
Ecuador is very very hot. Unless you live in the city (Quito), which is so high your nose bleeds, literally. So if you like it hot, and we are talking equator here, then go for it.
Panama has a very high rate of Covid at the present. It is also where all of the Africans and Syrians land and then begin their over-land trek into the USA. Positive strains of the new Africanized version are there and at least two have died of it, recently in Panama. Also, their news is extremely controlled - I was there when they overturned cars and set them and buildings on fire, with AK-47s shooting, and it never even made the local paper. This is to protect against the loss of the economic tourism and money-launderers of high calibre who frequent there.
Costa Rica has among the top in medical care in the region. We have US trained doctors, competent surgeons, and the total cost for complete medical and drugs for the month is about $50.
Both Panama and Costa Rica have large numbers of English speakers. I was last in Quito about 10 years ago so I can not comment on their percentage of English speakers. I am bi-lingual and don't care, but many would.
It's not for everyone - south of the border I mean, but it can have its advantages. Costs are lower, life if simpler, and they do not make you take the shot, at least not here in Costa Rica.

[chrifri]

I hear good things about Panama. I have a good friend and Ex-Patriot who has lived there now a few years. She started in Costs Rica for a year of so but found Panama more to her liking. Knowing her and myself, I’m pretty sure we share many of the same considerations.

When I left the states and moved to Canada in 2010, I wasn’t planning on coming back. I was “called” to return in early 2013. After all I’ve been through the past few years, I’m not feeling that call as strongly as I did anymore. Which might mean I’ve done what I’m supposed to do.

We will see what happens next, but Central and South America are where I’m drawn to, rather than Africa, Europe or Asia.

Hi Mark
Panama has many advantages for expats. However regarding Covid, Panama has been and still is very restrictive. If you don't mind wearing masks and total or partial lock downs, Panama is OK. But if you do not like wearing masks etc, better check the actual Covid measures with your friend.
One of the countries with less restrictive Covid measures in South America (maybe the country with the least restrictive Covid measures, at least in the Southern part) is Uruguay.

I don't mind.

Considering the nature of the Great Britain, South Africa and now the California variants of the coronavirus that are considered to be not only more contagious but more deadly (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/californias-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-dangerous-the-devil-is-already-here/), it's looking more and more like the earliest version of Covid-19 was just a warm-up, or this thing is just so canny it is figuring out how to evolve better than any other virus ever. My friend has talked about the health climate down there in regards to the rona but she has underlying conditions and so is cautious by nature. Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of that Uruguay, perhaps for not-so-obvious reasons. :)

As mentioned, Panama has many advantages for expats and if you have a friend in Panama, Panama certainly is worth considering. However, if one considers Panama because of the thread title "......somewhere freer of Covid measures", Panama most probably is not the first choice as the Rona restrictions last year and this year have been severe. I love Panama, lived there many years and even considered moving back to Panama in 2019 (at least to spend most of the year there). But I must say, I am happy not having done so, as I am not the person to be happy if the government tells me that I could leave my place twice a week, within a 3 hour window (as it was the case in Panama in 2020, for a couple of months).

[Strat]

The deserted stunning beaches of Namibia, is just unreal, I once heard it is a surf's paradise with one of the longest waves on earth, more than 2KM in good condition.


Holy **** that pic is beautiful. I'd have to visit first, but maybe one day we'll be neighbours.

[palehorse]

The deserted stunning beaches of Namibia, is just unreal, I once heard it is a surf's paradise with one of the longest waves on earth, more than 2KM in good condition.


Holy **** that pic is beautiful. I'd have to visit first, but maybe one day we'll be neighbours.

Yeah, I did a little research on Namibia years ago, the expat community there is mainly from Europe, lots of Germans ans Swiss, also lot of South African goes to Namibia for off-road adventures and surf.
I know someone from my country who lived and worked in Namibia for over 5 years, he was in a military mission and he lived in the desert in a military base, he is a builder and helped to build a small town in Namibia years ago and he told me the wonders of Namibia :)

Strat, Are you planing to move to Thailand?

[Strat]

No, I was being sarcastic. I was talking about Namibia.

[palehorse]

No, I was being sarcastic. I was talking about Namibia.

all right. lol

[Hughe]

South Korean government does not force Covid-19 vaccine to general public.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I believe Costa Rica is making the vax mandatory, as is Sweden. I am in the process of relocating from Pacific Northwest to Florida. Parts of Florida are very free. I can practice yoga there in studio without masks. Lots of people starting self sufficient gardens. If you are in US, there are many places not swept up in the Covid madness. Use your intuition to find a place that resonates.

[Bill Ryan]

Ecuador is very very hot. Unless you live in the city (Quito), which is so high your nose bleeds, literally. Well, it only gets hot on the coast at sea level. The climate in most of the country is very mild and comfortable.

There's an extensive mid-country north-south plateau which is pretty high. I live at 9,000 feet, in a very quiet, pleasant, green rural location — and there's not the slightest problem with altitude. (No nosebleeds! I don't know a single person who's ever had one. :) ) Of all the many other places I've lived, it reminds me most of Scotland, but without the snow.

And I've reported on this in my About Ecuador (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111959-About-Ecuador) thread, but there'll be no mandatory vaccinations. That can't and won't happen here. It's practically unenforceable even if they wanted to do it, and the constitution expressly forbids medical intervention without informed consent. Their goal is to try to vaccinate 60% of the population, and they're running at least 6 months behind with the whole thing. (The number vaccinated so far is just 40,000. It's hardly started.)

I'm not trying to sell moving to Ecuador. As Karen wrote above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114158-Is-anyone-else-considering-moving-to-another-country-to-somewhere-freer-of-covid-measures&p=1413085&viewfull=1#post1413085), every country has its issues. But I do have to say, right now, while my relocation in 2011 was all very unplanned, I'm extremely happy I'm here. Life is pretty much as usual in every way, with businesses and internal travel all operating very normally.

[Jim_Duyer]

I believe Costa Rica is making the vax mandatory, as is Sweden. I am in the process of relocating from Pacific Northwest to Florida. Parts of Florida are very free. I can practice yoga there in studio without masks. Lots of people starting self sufficient gardens. If you are in US, there are many places not swept up in the Covid madness. Use your intuition to find a place that resonates.

As of yesterday that idea fell flat. They have decided to NOT make it mandatory, because if they did so, under the Costa Rica constitution that would require them to both provide the shots to everyone for free and to pay for any damages or follow up care, and there is nothing in the budget for that. I can confirm that they are not going to make it mandatory, but will offer it to seniors and others who need it, for free. I am not going to take it in any event.

[Mark]

I love Panama, lived there many years and even considered moving back to Panama in 2019 (at least to spend most of the year there). But I must say, I am happy not having done so, as I am not the person to be happy if the government tells me that I could leave my place twice a week, within a 3 hour window (as it was the case in Panama in 2020, for a couple of months).

That's a pretty hardcore quarantine. Having gone through that rona myself and experiencing the long-Covid symptoms now, I'm a little bit less intense about the whole freedom aspect although I know that a lot of people are all about it. If you live outside of the major cities, perhaps there is more freedom to live?

[IChingUChing]

I believe Costa Rica is making the vax mandatory, as is Sweden. I am in the process of relocating from Pacific Northwest to Florida. Parts of Florida are very free. I can practice yoga there in studio without masks. Lots of people starting self sufficient gardens. If you are in US, there are many places not swept up in the Covid madness. Use your intuition to find a place that resonates.

Hi, what makes you think it is mandatory in Sweden? I can't find anything on that and I don't think it's possible under their constitution. Also, after their experience with thousands of people and particularly children suffering narcolepsy as a result of the swine flu vaccine in 2009, I cannot imagine the population accepting a mandatory vaccine.

Good to know about Florida and some other parts of the US. US would be possible for us too.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

My husband, and both my children are Swedish citizens. My husband just returned from Sweden. His brother is very well connected in Stockholm. The momentum for manditory vaccination for travel is gathering.

Glad to hear about Costa Rica! Such a wonderful country with great people and many protected areas.

[IChingUChing]

My husband, and both my children are Swedish citizens. My husband just returned from Sweden. His brother is very well connected in Stockholm. The momentum for manditory vaccination for travel is gathering.

Glad to hear about Costa Rica! Such a wonderful country with great people and many protected areas.

Thanks Deborah. Yes, I read that Sweden wants to implement entry to Sweden either with a negative test or proof of vaccination by June 2021. The EU is also pushing to get a vaccine passport rolled out by summer 2021. Merkel is talking about vaccinating everyone for years to come "because of mutations" and of course in Israel they already have their green passports to go shopping....

[prc]

It is not mandatory to get vaccinated in Brazil, but our Supreme court said that not getting vaccinated can cause consequences such as to be forbidden to go on some public places. Our population is not obbeying sanitary restrictions like social distancing and use of masks but on the other hand we are approaching total collapse of Health Services (public and private health services) in 7 States out of 27 States. With more than 1.000 deaths per day for more than 30 days. We are having 60.000 new infections per day and more than 10 million people have already contract Covid 19. We have 251.000 deaths, I belive we are number 2 in the world in number of deaths and contagion. Our President do not use mask, and says that economy is more important than saving lives. Our vaccination procedures is running on a slow pace, only 6 million people were vaccinated out of a population of 210 million up to now. So if you want a country that is not taking COvid 19 seriously you should head to Brazil. But do not complain if you get sick and there is no Hospital ICU for you available in case you need it.

[Andre]

Has anyone considered Portugal?

[Agape]

Before you put finger on a map, always consider climatic conditions and how are they going to contribute to your health and overall state of wellbeing.

When I came first time to India, I was 19 old. The amount of light and sun I’ve received in the first months and years of my journey changed my life tremendously, positively , forever ( if forever existed).
As I’m getting older I can’t take that much sun and heat anymore, I prefer rainy weather and rainbows instead and “room temperatures”.
Someone once told me that such weather does exist, all around the year in Malaysia.

I have met lots of people around the globe who have resettled and it is either logical and entirely happy thing to do , thinking of some of my Swedish and Norwegian friends who had to wait and save for years and face even more loneliness and darkness of winter in their countries before they took the leap,
and so many people from the Middle East “hot zones” where people live through 60 C temperatures in summer moving to the North and making cool life there if society allows.

Depends on individual circumstances and temperaments of course.

I’ve seen but few people who “did not make it” for some reason but most were in the you g category where people often take leaps to unknown but mostly, can make it back to safety,
in older categories people tend to overlook how culture and social cohesion are important to our mental health and well being , as a result they keep moving on from one place to another . If you are couple moving around the planet is great thing to do after all.

That’s out of the economical aspect of course.



Consider climate and your health are long term factors so is our personal “adaptation quotient”.


Borders are mostly closed yet due to the pandemics. It teaches us to be happy where we are and seek new free spaces where we won’t bump to each other.


🙏🌈🌟 j:)

[Mike Gorman]

I think responses are going to be a very subjective. Bill lives there so I assume he likes it. But my friends moved there from Europe and after a year of travelling, looking for a place they felt like settling, they decided it was absolutely not for them. They ended up returning and buying land in the hills of Spain.

I probably should add that I moved from Canada to Australia and after 23 years still love it.

I am a British expatriate living in Australia, Perth to be exact: so far we have had only very benign Covid responses, but the most recent one with a 7 day lock down and mask mandate was complied with a little too willingly for my taste, which clearly shows the 'Normie' percentage is strong here, and it is only the remoteness of Perth which preserves the relative freedom we enjoy. I think there is a strong anti-authoritarian contingency in Australia, with the recent protests in Melbourne showing this. Perth I'm not sure about, it has the possibility of being subjugated, but so far (crossed fingers) this has not blossomed. Australia and the West of Australia is supported by mineral wealth mostly, so it does tend to rely on the stock prices for metals and minerals, probably will continue into the near future at least. you will need to tolerate very warm weather and seasonal monotony, we don't have distinct seasons like the northern parts of the world, although winter is nice in Perth. A good choice if you can manage it.But we will not be fortunate with the coming solar micro nova, expected in the next few decades, the 'big wave' will be traveling west to east, so Perth will be wiped away. ! Ben from suspicious Observers is keeping me abreast of coming catastrophe cycles.

[Mecklenburger]

I have lived in Argentina and Uruguay since the mid-1990's. The phases of lockdown imposed by Argentina on 13 March 2020 are still in effect but we have all had enough of being terrified and life in Buenos Aires at least has made a gradual return to normal except that a mask is always required for public transport, official buildings and shops.

The country Argentina at large still has problems. The inter-provincial borders and the international bridges into Uruguay are therefore still shut and probably will not be open for a few more months to any traveller with or without an innoculation certificate. Sputnik V is the State sponsored vaccine, so far 1 million doses have been given.
Uruguay was initially quite safe but the authorities made some grave mistakes (the worst being not closing down the border with Brazil at Rivera) and now the regulations remain strict. I should be glad to answer your questions if any.

[Delight]

I WONDER if there is any place that wont be brought down by the Reset? The plan is global.....

Example:

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Abolishing coal is telling India 'they can't have electricity'
Feb 27, 2021

Bob Katter says the call for the abolition of coal is telling India that they can’t have electricity.

“There’s no way that they can afford the alternatives and no way anyone can give them the alternatives,” Mr Katter told Sky News.

He said 93 per cent of Australia is occupied by under a million people, which is where the coal and other resources are.

“A hungry world, where a quarter of the world’s population goes to bed hungry every night, you’re going to sit on it like a big fat toad and use none of it," he said.

“And then preach to the rest of the world your moral righteousness.

“We are not having a very happy future.”

[TomKat]

There's a guy on youtube called Hobo Traveller. He's been travelling around the world for 20+ years and has a lot to say about various places. Interestingly, he said the most dangerous thing you can do in a country you're visiting is to rent a car. You're much better off taking taxis because the driver will know what's what and how to stay out of trouble.

[chrifri]

I have lived in Argentina and Uruguay since the mid-1990's. The phases of lockdown imposed by Argentina on 13 March 2020 are still in effect but we have all had enough of being terrified and life in Buenos Aires at least has made a gradual return to normal except that a mask is always required for public transport, official buildings and shops.

The country Argentina at large still has problems. The inter-provincial borders and the international bridges into Uruguay are therefore still shut and probably will not be open for a few more months to any traveller with or without an innoculation certificate. Sputnik V is the State sponsored vaccine, so far 1 million doses have been given.
Uruguay was initially quite safe but the authorities made some grave mistakes (the worst being not closing down the border with Brazil at Rivera) and now the regulations remain strict. I should be glad to answer your questions if any.

Uruguay has done much better than Argentina and regulations have been relatively easy going and not strict at all. For the moment being, one should wear masks for public transportation, shops and official buildings.

[Ewan]

I have family, cousins, in South Africa and had always wanted to visit. A recent remark regarding the cost of living there made me explore further options. I was blown away by the house prices!

We live in a modest two bedroom house here in the UK with an approximate value of £180,000. That sum in South Africa could buy a house that would be over £500,000 here (UK)!!

So then I went to search Youtube for 'Reality of life in South Africa'

Ended up watching this video and am definitely NEVER moving to South Africa!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba3E-Ha5Efc

It is a disturbing film on many levels but perhaps most noticeable to me was an undercurrent of 'just desserts*' - as in - 'the sins of our fathers' from the Boer descendants. One certain individual seemed most willing to embrace it. Talk about victimhood!

Very disturbing was the 'Red Berets', a militant group with a political figurehead who sang apartheid songs promoting hate against the Boer. Why do humans always consider themselves responsible for Karma when that is basically the universe's job!

The story of South Africa is very far from over.



* Just desserts - A deserved punishment or reward

[DeDukshyn]

Well, don't even consider Canada unless you plan on living rural and off the grid as much as possible (thankfully Canada is big so its easily plausible) ... this place is turning into a nightmare ...

[wondering]

DeDukshyn, I am so very sorry to hear that..I am sorry for us all and know we will probably all have our turns, but for right now I am sorry that you are feeling such angst about your country. ✌️ Diane

[DeDukshyn]

DeDukshyn, I am so very sorry to hear that..I am sorry for us all and know we will probably all have our turns, but for right now I am sorry that you are feeling such angst about your country. ✌️ Diane

I can't even go visit my kids without risking being harassed by police or getting a hefty fine (out of province). Manned roadblocks are starting to go up everywhere with police harassing people and searching their vehicles ... the Ontario Provincial police had to tell the government to **** off, after it was demanded of them to search the street and randomly start harassing and carding all people they saw outside their homes. The government then adjust their mandates to remove that clause.

I won't even speak of the 0.75 trillion dollars wasted on forcing all people coming into the country into predetermined mandatory "covid detention centers" - where they put everyone together to quarantine to ensure if one person has it they all get it (brilliant).

https://www.rebelnews.com/justin_trudeaus_covid-19_detention_centres_what_you_need_to_know

https://news.yahoo.com/canada-puts-neighborhood-covid-checkpoints-140218113.html

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/ontario-police-say-no-thanks-to-fords-covid-19-random-stop-law

[Mike]

DeDukshyn, I am so very sorry to hear that..I am sorry for us all and know we will probably all have our turns, but for right now I am sorry that you are feeling such angst about your country. ✌️ Diane

I can't even go visit my kids without risking being harassed by police or getting a hefty fine (out of province). Manned roadblocks are starting to go up everywhere with police harassing people and searching their vehicles ... the Ontario Provincial police had to tell the government to **** off, after it was demanded of them to search the street and randomly start harassing and carding all people they saw outside their homes. The government then adjust their mandates to remove that clause.

I won't even speak of the 0.75 trillion dollars wasted on forcing all people coming into the country into predetermined mandatory "covid detention centers" - where they put everyone together to quarantine to ensure if one person has it they all get it (brilliant).

https://www.rebelnews.com/justin_trudeaus_covid-19_detention_centres_what_you_need_to_know

https://news.yahoo.com/canada-puts-neighborhood-covid-checkpoints-140218113.html

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/ontario-police-say-no-thanks-to-fords-covid-19-random-stop-law


Damn I'm sorry to hear that Mike. The threat of harassment when you're goin to see your kids? That's really f'ed up!

When I read about things like this I'm reminded just how bad it is for some people. I tend to forget because I live in Florida, who's state motto amounts to something like 'f#ck off and leave us alone or else':) It was heartening to read that the Ontario Provincial police took a stand there. Hopefully that type of action is contagious! I hope that situation improves for you soon bro.

[Patient]

DeDukshyn, I am so very sorry to hear that..I am sorry for us all and know we will probably all have our turns, but for right now I am sorry that you are feeling such angst about your country. ✌️ Diane

I can't even go visit my kids without risking being harassed by police or getting a hefty fine (out of province). Manned roadblocks are starting to go up everywhere with police harassing people and searching their vehicles ... the Ontario Provincial police had to tell the government to **** off, after it was demanded of them to search the street and randomly start harassing and carding all people they saw outside their homes. The government then adjust their mandates to remove that clause.

I won't even speak of the 0.75 trillion dollars wasted on forcing all people coming into the country into predetermined mandatory "covid detention centers" - where they put everyone together to quarantine to ensure if one person has it they all get it (brilliant).

https://www.rebelnews.com/justin_trudeaus_covid-19_detention_centres_what_you_need_to_know

https://news.yahoo.com/canada-puts-neighborhood-covid-checkpoints-140218113.html

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/ontario-police-say-no-thanks-to-fords-covid-19-random-stop-law

So much has happened in Canada to change things and it seems to happen well under the radar (governmental changes with laws).

Alberta and B.C. didn't seem to have a difficult time last year with all of the covid stuff, but they are now cracking down a lot is my understanding. Ontario is touch and go. The government (the premiere of the province mainly) here is doing his part to toe the line for TPTB and ramp up fear and try to get more doses into people's arms. Within the proivince, moving around is fine but they are trying to keep people from going into the other provinces - makes no sense on a normal level.

Trudeau (the prime minister of Canada) has been bad for the entire country. This was seen a few years ago when he was handing out money to groups such as the Clinton foundation (even after it was shown what they stood for) and Gates, and more I am sure. Now they are coming after the tax payers to fill it back.

They are also handing out money to people to get them to depend on the government rather than earn their own income. I fear this will backfire on the populace as they will eventually turn this around and demand things from the people that received the government handouts.

Canadians are polite and normally quiet, but things are getting pushed to the edge - I am counting on the people here to rise up more and more. The major problem is due to the pandemic, Trudeau can put new laws through the government on his own due to us being in this " emergency pandemic state". In Parliament the representatives demands for answers are just quickly squashed. Sometimes completely ignored. But there is not enough transparency as the media is controlled of course. A new law is on the table to give the government more control over what an individual is allowed to post online. I need to find out the status of that as this is currently being tabled.

Rebel news is a good source for info right now, but they are always under pressure.

[Patient]

Well, don't even consider Canada unless you plan on living rural and off the grid as much as possible (thankfully Canada is big so its easily plausible) ... this place is turning into a nightmare ...

Another thing about living off of the grid here. There are many rural areas that seem out of the way, but are not. For example, I live from from the city and it looks and feels at times like I am far away from things, but there is a large population around - it is just not obvious. So living off the grid means getting out into the bush for real. :)

[DeDukshyn]

Well, don't even consider Canada unless you plan on living rural and off the grid as much as possible (thankfully Canada is big so its easily plausible) ... this place is turning into a nightmare ...

Another thing about living off of the grid here. There are many rural areas that seem out of the way, but are not. For example, I live from from the city and it looks and feels at times like I am far away from things, but there is a large population around - it is just not obvious. So living off the grid means getting out into the bush for real. :)

The upside is that there's actually quite a few people who live somewhere between "rural" and "off-grid" all across the country - and when you live out in some of these areas, there really isn't any enforcement for any laws. People just live and respect each other. I have an old friend that is now living fairly off grid - his goal is to get 100% self sustaining or rather have his little community that he lives near be self sustaining. It's far enough out in the boonies that everyone there (probably less than 100 people) is living off-grid to some extent. There's pretty much only a post office and a train station there - probably a gas station and convenience store nearby somewhere, but that is about it. Nearest town is 1.5 hours drive away.

So to dampen my previous pessimism a little, if one's goal is to live mostly self sustaining away from towns and cities, Canada has lots of opportunities for that, one just needs to keep in mind the winters are harsh.

[Mecklenburger]

I have lived in Argentina for years. Obtaining the DNI national identity document is essential for somebody planning to stay. The easiest ways to do so are through having a good pension in your home country or close relatives here. You would need a fairly reasonable command of Spanish. Climate is like Andalucia although winters can get very cold and wet. This week of autumn on the other hand for example has been like a lovely English cloudless summer.

The current covid situation is that vaccination is highly recommended but not insisted upon. At present about 25% per cent of the population has been innoculated, most of these have had Sinopharm or Sputnik V. Based on your age you are invited to apply for innoculation and then all contact is taken up with you by means of your cellphone or email. The current phase of protection until 21 May requires no social associations of more than ten persons anywhere indoors and not many more than that outdoors; curfew from midnight to 0600 unless armed with a permit; restaurants and cafes can only serve you seated in the street, from what I can make out all shops and businesses are open but you cannot enter without a mask, no more than two inside at a time except supermarkets which are not so strict. Within the city public transport is running to a fairly normal schedule but you cannot travel on a bus or train without a mask. I estimate that walking in the city streets about 60% actually wear a mask, 30% have a token mask below the nose,mouth or chin to be lifted as required. The police tend to stay put and not interfere unless somebody is really taking liberties, except for busloads coming in from the provinces with permits to be checked which is fun to watch from a street corner. You need a permit to travel by public transport beyond the Buenos Aires city limits, about 30 miles in all directions. Schooling is online.

I emphasise that this is the capital city, new cases each day in the country as a whole (pop. 40 million) are running at about 20,000 and fatalities presently about 350 per day.

[syrwong]

I moved from Hong Kong to Zhuhai in China a few months ago, which is a city just north of Macau. It is only 50km away from HK, but I had to go through 21 days of quarantine. It turned out it was worth it, besides I had to because of work. Hong Kongers in general are very fearful of covid and the government is spreading fear relentlessly. Harsh measures have been imposed, tightening and relaxing at will. At times when there were some 50 "confirmed cases" a day (of a population of 7.5 million), restaurants were not allowed to open after 6pm and no more than 2 persons per table. The times changed when say there were 15 cases a day to closing after 10pm, sometimes midnight, or 4 persons per table. Now is 6 persons. Schools were closed but relaxed to allow only high schools to teach face to face, etc etc. Since the economy of HK depends very much on service industry, the livelihood of many are devasted.

All this is for 200 deaths since the pandemic, mostly were elderly with health conditions. Unbelievable, but most people firmly believe the government is acting correctly. I told friends that there was a "Hong Kong flu" which started from HK and spreaded to the world, killing 2-4 millions in a short time when we are in the early teen. Back then it was not a big event, no masking, no closures, nothing mandatory. It was just a strong flu, in fact many forgot about it. Why are we so scared? None agreed with me in their heart, shown by their silence.

Wearing a mask has been mandatory in HK. I feel so free now in China, if only for not having to wear a mask. There is only the requirement to wear a mask in public transport, to go in a hospital or government buildings. Theorectically also in a supermarket, but no one bothers. In fact, outwardly life in China is not much different than pre-pandemic. The tension level is very low.

There is free vaccination in this city, but not mandatory. It is not offered to people over 60 or below 18. As for old people, I heard that the reason is there is not enough statistics to warrant its safety. I think the government shows responsibility in this aspect. The vaccine provided is the traditional deactivated type. I think very few vaccinated people have had bad side effects. Certainly very few instant deaths.

In this 5 day Mayday holidays, people tour all over the country and scenic spots are overcrowded. This is in stark contrast to what is happening in India.

[Matthew]

It's really hit home today. I never usually like working, but I do at the moment. I work in a close-knit team, being in the office together is what we want. We're almost there, but now the company are saying we need to have covid tests to be back in the office. Well, of the three tests I would simply refuse the PCR one outright (a diagnostic tool, not a test), and the one that gets stuck deep up your nose - no £^$&!*g way. The swab test doesn't offend me as much but its still perpetuating a lie. If I have the power to avoid it, I'm feeling like I will.

It means I'll be not joining my close-knit team ever again in person and I'm highly likely to be leaving the company in September, when my fix term contract is up. It was extended previously, because they liked me and I liked them (which is a treasure). ok a bit of a trite problem in the scheme of things, but I only heard this news a couple of hours ago. I didn't realise how gone my old world was until I found myself hoping for it and having it dashed. I would have to leave in September anyway, because .. how do I put this: by no fault of the company I work for, the world of third party identity checking services is going to change, and this company (and others in the same sector) use those identity checking services. I know because I have a friend who works for the identity checking company, and he has just handed in his notice, because of ethical concerns. I guess (and I have no direct knowledge of this, a pure guess) that those ethical concerns will begin to impact my current industry in about, approximately September. But it hit home today because of the government's insane guidelines for excessive convid testing.

So I am thinking I have to downscale to an isolated location and live the good life, and not work. Grow stuff, have chickens perhaps. I'm really sad about it because I want to go to the office. Doesn't make sense but it's how I feel.

[Patient]

It's really hit home today. I never usually like working, but I do at the moment. I work in a close-knit team, being in the office together is what we want. We're almost there, but now the company are saying we need to have covid tests to be back in the office. Well, of the three tests I would simply refuse the PCR one outright (a diagnostic tool, not a test), and the one that gets stuck deep up your nose - no £^$&!*g way. The swab test doesn't offend me as much but its still perpetuating a lie. If I have the power to avoid it, I'm feeling like I will.

It means I'll be not joining my close-knit team ever again in person and I'm highly likely to be leaving the company in September, when my fix term contract is up. It was extended previously, because they liked me and I liked them (which is a treasure). ok a bit of a trite problem in the scheme of things, but I only heard this news a couple of hours ago. I didn't realise how gone my old world was until I found myself hoping for it and having it dashed. I would have to leave in September anyway, because .. how do I put this: by no fault of the company I work for, the world of third party identity checking services is going to change, and this company (and others in the same sector) use those identity checking services. I know because I have a friend who works for the identity checking company, and he has just handed in his notice, because of ethical concerns. I guess (and I have no direct knowledge of this, a pure guess) that those ethical concerns will begin to impact my current industry in about, approximately September. But it hit home today because of the government's insane guidelines for excessive convid testing.

So I am thinking I have to downscale to an isolated location and live the good life, and not work. Grow stuff, have chickens perhaps. I'm really sad about it because I want to go to the office. Doesn't make sense but it's how I feel.

I am with you Matthew! I have been lucky enough to be able to work from home. Although I do visit locations, I have avoided the test myself as well. If the standards around which I work change, then like you, I will change my life to continue to live my life on my terms!

[East Sun]

If you have not been there even on vacation, which is not enough, don't make a commitment unless you can change your mind
and return to your former pace fairly easily.

Good luck!

[Patient]

If you have not been there even on vacation, which is not enough, don't make a commitment unless you can change your mind
and return to your former pace fairly easily.

Good luck!

Well said - a vacation will not provide a good look into living in a place as a resident. Then you also need to understand what the status of your visa really means and if it will mean more than just words on paper.

I once had a visa to live in the USA. The terms were that I could stay as long as my business was making money. The business went under (long story, not for here), and we were homeless. Based on the visa, we should have been kicked out. However, even after going to homeland security, they did not kick us out - they would do nothing to help us either.

It was ridiculous - I said to the officers there "I am currently here illegally. If I get work, I will be working illegally." They just shrugged their shoulders and said "sorry, nothing we can do."

Even Canadian customs would not help in any way.

Church groups would not help because we did not have US i.d.

So, that was way before covid. So if you are going to go to another country, it is a dice roll IMHO.

[Matthew]

I'm more sold on an isolated location in my current country. I think another country doesn't help, from my PoV that this is a globalist coup. Foreign travel is a snare trap, and work will become increasingly difficult. Ideally I want to pool with my brother and find a location together, but it does depend on our timings.

[IChingUChing]

Thanks for everyone's contributions so far.

We are closer than ever to leaving Germany. Although none of the vaccines has yet been approved for use on children here, a governmental doctors' committee has said that from winter 2021 children will not be able to attend Kindergarten or school without having had a covid vaccine. Kintergarten (KITA) can be attended by children, actually babies as young as 6 months and they will require a vaccine to be able to go to KITA. School in Germany is mandatory so this means all school children must get the covid vaccine. Why all parents are not on the streets of Germany today, I can't understand. Already at least 4 children have died in the vaccine trials and yet Germany is saying they must all be vaccinated.

This on top of the side effects issue caused by being around vaccinated people.

Both these issues directly affect my family and we see no other option but to leave.

We are slowly narrowing down the where to and the when.

[Ewan]

I'm more sold on an isolated location in my current country.

I keep looking at this option too but it consumes too much of my capital. Then again, the future may not hold much in the way of capital for anyone... and then again, again.. a warmer climate allows for more crop growth and variation.

This country (UK) will not fare well in a complete collapse of the economic world we are tied into. Third world countries will fare much better as vastly more people are used to basics and self-sufficiency.

[Matthew]

...capital...

Isn't it just. My plan/hopes hinge on my brother and I combining sales from our properties. We've talked about it, and it's my best plan but it's not certain; anything could happen. If I can't do this with my brother, I believe I might be able to team up with some other nutcase who shares our world view and do the same with them. I'm not thinking commune, it would be two people(/families) combining, possibly three max. Some land with property, out the way, compromising in favour of isolation

[Ewan]

...capital...

Isn't it just. My plan/hopes hinge on my brother and I combining sales from our properties. We've talked about it, and it's my best plan but it's not certain; anything could happen. If I can't do this with my brother, I believe I might be able to team up with some other nutcase who shares our world view and do the same with them. I'm not thinking commune, it would be two people(/families) combining, possibly three max. Some land with property, out the way, compromising in favour of isolation

I'm an Aries, how do you do. :ROFL:

Edit: Seriously, to add. I keep looking at woodlands. Planning permissions are almost ironclad against building residences - but, if the world does go to pot.. perfect location!

[Matthew]

...capital...

Isn't it just. My plan/hopes hinge on my brother and I combining sales from our properties. We've talked about it, and it's my best plan but it's not certain; anything could happen. If I can't do this with my brother, I believe I might be able to team up with some other nutcase who shares our world view and do the same with them. I'm not thinking commune, it would be two people(/families) combining, possibly three max. Some land with property, out the way, compromising in favour of isolation

I'm an Aries, how do you do. :ROFL:

Edit: Seriously, to add. I keep looking at woodlands. Planning permissions are almost ironclad against building residences - but, if the world does go to pot.. perfect location!

Aquarius, very incompatible signs but who cares about that right now, ...priorities. The combined capital idea feels like a strong one. The minimal viable product for me is a property with a water supply, isolation, land to grow, electric supply, internet, possibly livestock, able to have a bonfire 24/7. Actually that's not very minimal but probably achievable. Fewer the number that combine capital then fewer the complications I'm guessing. With my brother and I, we agreed we would need individual properties and have fundamentally individual lives, but shared land etc. Boundaries init

Edit update: I love the woods, and live in a forest borough - massive forest a short walk away. I would prefer to move to the woods but my brother prefers somewhere near the sea so I'm likely to compromise with him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Hughe]

In January 2021, more than 12,000 expat respondents from across the globe took part in the latest Expat Insider survey. Together, they represent a total of 174 nationalities and live in 186 countries or territories around the world. And, for the first time since the Expat Insider survey was launched in 2014, more than 6,000 local residents — many former and future expats among them — also had the opportunity to respond to selected questions; most of these addressed the way the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic might have disrupted relocation plans or a recent stay abroad.

https://cms-internationsgmbh.netdna-ssl.com/cdn/file/cms-media/public/2021-05/InterNations_Expat-Insider-2021_0.pdf

[Ewan]

Saw a property in Ireland that had potential so investigated a visit to the Emerald isle.

The Irish Govt require a negative PCR test within 72 hours prior to arrival, once you passed that hurdle you then have to self-isolate for 14 days at whichever address you supplied. However you can after just 5 days of self-quarantine have a second PCR test and if that is also negative you may wander free.


All passengers are required to have a negative pre-departure Reverse Transcription Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) Covid-19 test taken within 72 hours prior to arrival in Ireland. Antigen or other test types do not meet the requirement. Arriving in Ireland without evidence of a negative/‘not-detected’ test result is an offence. Travellers may be subject to prosecution and will be required to enter and pay for mandatory hotel quarantine.

and

All passengers arriving in Ireland from Great Britain must quarantine at home for 14 days, with limited exceptions. This is a legal requirement. The period of home quarantine can be shortened following a negative PCR test after 5 days – see Irish Government guidance on how to book and take your free PCR test. You should retain the written confirmation of your negative test results for at least 14 days.

So you have to take two tests that were never designed for this kind of testing and pay in the region of £100 per person per test.

A helpful link (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1003051/covid-private-testing-providers-general-testing-160721.csv/preview) to test providers is supplied.

I couldn't even be bothered to count them, hundreds of them. Nice to see people capitalising on fear and madness hasn't gone out of fashion, some things are still the same despite all the other changes going on.

However, if you joined the club..


No travel-related testing or quarantine will be necessary for travellers from the UK with valid proof of full vaccination. On arrival in Ireland, fully vaccinated passengers travelling from Great Britain will need to have proof of their full vaccination, for example showing their NHS App Covid Pass, a vaccination status letter or their NHS vaccine paper card.

Children under the age of 12 will not need to take a PCR test prior to travelling to Ireland.

Incidentally if you're not vaccinated and still decide to go then kids 7-17 will also require a PCR test.

[Antagenet]

I'm more sold on an isolated location in my current country.

I keep looking at this option too but it consumes too much of my capital. Then again, the future may not hold much in the way of capital for anyone... and then again, again.. a warmer climate allows for more crop growth and variation.

This country (UK) will not fare well in a complete collapse of the economic world we are tied into. Third world countries will fare much better as vastly more people are used to basics and self-sufficiency.

I'm in what would be considered the 2 or 3rd world... just outside of a medium sized city in Mexico.
The economy here is doing alright so far. A lot of people are moving here from all over the world, and it is keeping the local
economy very pumped up.

In my little neighborhood:
Everyone owns their house outright, no one has to pay the bank. Very low property taxes, very little to no crime, clean, friendly people, good cheap public transportation, low unemployment rate, not much inflation, great climate - no need for air con or heating ever, low divorce rate, extended family lives nearby, neighborhood church built by neighbors, family run grocery stores within walking distance.
Every day I thank God I got out of the USA.
There are several good Telegram groups for people considering moving here.
Good Luck to all.
I hope especially our European members will consider moving as an option.

[DNA]

I hear good things about Panama. I have a good friend and Ex-Patriot who has lived there now a few years. She started in Costs Rica for a year of so but found Panama more to her liking. Knowing her and myself, I’m pretty sure we share many of the same considerations.

When I left the states and moved to Canada in 2010, I wasn’t planning on coming back. I was “called” to return in early 2013. After all I’ve been through the past few years, I’m not feeling that call as strongly as I did anymore. Which might mean I’ve done what I’m supposed to do.

We will see what happens next, but Central and South America are where I’m drawn to, rather than Africa, Europe or Asia.

Hi Mark
Panama has many advantages for expats. However regarding Covid, Panama has been and still is very restrictive. If you don't mind wearing masks and total or partial lock downs, Panama is OK. But if you do not like wearing masks etc, better check the actual Covid measures with your friend.
One of the countries with less restrictive Covid measures in South America (maybe the country with the least restrictive Covid measures, at least in the Southern part) is Uruguay.

I don't mind.

Considering the nature of the Great Britain, South Africa and now the California variants of the coronavirus that are considered to be not only more contagious but more deadly (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/californias-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-dangerous-the-devil-is-already-here/), it's looking more and more like the earliest version of Covid-19 was just a warm-up, or this thing is just so canny it is figuring out how to evolve better than any other virus ever. My friend has talked about the health climate down there in regards to the rona but she has underlying conditions and so is cautious by nature. Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of that Uruguay, perhaps for not-so-obvious reasons. :)

I'm off the opinion there was little to no danger from the virus, far more deadly were the treatments of rendisivir and breathing machines.
And yet even more deadly would be the vaccinations being forced on folks via medical tyranny.

[DNA]

I'm more sold on an isolated location in my current country. I think another country doesn't help, from my PoV that this is a globalist coup. Foreign travel is a snare trap, and work will become increasingly difficult. Ideally I want to pool with my brother and find a location together, but it does depend on our timings.

I agree with your sentiments entirely.
I think it would be a good idea to recognize the specific modus operandi being specifically used in your present location and where you are thinking of moving.

We are talking globalists wanting a one world government through the use of bleeding heart sentiment utilizing and empowering liberal government.

The UK is presently facing the same problem the rest of Europe is facing.
Questions with power undoubtedly leading to outages especially in the winter, food shortages, massive civil unrest but another wild card would be the refugee situation.
I believe they are a Trojan horse, to be armed by the globalists at a specific time and sent United under their belief to attack the constituents that hold a country together.
This last scenario worries me greatly.

I don't see the same situation playing out in Latin American countries. The less established countries are not their focus from what I'm seeing. Africa would probably be good as well as SE Asia. Australia is obviously hyper controlled.

Just some thoughts

[TealHorizon]

I've always felt some sort of spiritual kinship with Africa since I was a young lad. I visited Zambia, Rwanda and a little of Bostwana mid 2019 and it was probably the longest period of my life I have been consistently happy. With Zambia especially I felt like I was home. During covid a mate I met there was telling me how there weren't any restrictions and nobody cared, but unfortunately during the end of covid the typical thing happened of a new president coming in who was completely pro WHO and NWO.

The only other concern with Zambia (and indeed most of Africa) is that countries are in the Chinese government's pocket via way of loans and infrastructure. Fair to say a lot of African countries would be incredibly rich but end up getting sold out by leaders or just flat out assassinated if they don't play ball to the NWO agenda, as we saw recently with Tanzania. However I think day to day and outside of the central capitals, most people are left to their own devices and live a peaceful existence.

Unfortunately with no degree it can be a nightmare to immigrate and I think my only option is to open a business. I'm planning to travel more to weigh my options and slowly building up my savings to one day move.

If anyone does plan to visit sub-Saharan Africa and would like some info or tips, please feel free to reach out.

[Bill Ryan]

I've always felt some sort of spiritual kinship with Africa since I was a young lad. I visited Zambia, Rwanda and a little of Bostwana mid 2019I spent a few weeks in Botswana a little while back, and was really impressed with everything I saw. Good education, good roads, good communications, and very little of the kind of poverty that is endemic in other African countries. (I always wanted to go to neighboring Namibia, but never made it there.)

[TEOTWAIKI]

I'm looking at a location in vietnam, up in the northern mountains.
60-80deg weather, very cheap cost of living, hill tribes galore, nice scenery, fresh food, fresh air, mountains, waterfalls, canyons, wildflowers :)
Hanoi looks very convenient for entry/exit.
I've never been in Vietnam but have visited china, thailand, malaysia, south korea, singapore, india, nepal...
Looks like 180 day visas are available and extendable but need to do some more research on this one.