Biden takes first military action with strike on Iran-backed militias

[gs_powered]

I was expecting at least 2 months before seing the US drawn to war... Sleepy Joe don't seem to be sleeping no more :(


"The Pentagon said the strike on Thursday was launched "at President Biden's direction".

It targeted facilities located at a border control point used by a number of Iran-backed militia groups, including Kataib Hezbollah and Kataib Sayyid al-Shuhada, it said.

Kataib Hezbollah and Kataib Sayyid al-Shuhada have previously carried out or supported rocket attacks targeting US assets in the country.

In its statement, the Pentagon said the operation "sends an unambiguous message", it said in a statement.."

Source:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56205056

[Gracy]

Well I don't like this kind of stuff any more than it sounds like you do, he voted for the Iraq war as well. But it's not war, not unless similar actions like assassinating Soleimani or jacking Syria's oil are also considered war.

The US is the world's bully, that's just how we roll no matter who's in the big chair.

[ExomatrixTV]

(Fake (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112814-MASSIVE-FRAUD-Major-Lawsuits--update-all-foiled-so-far-&p=1409259&viewfull=1#post1409259)) "President Biden's direction" ?

As if Biden "decides" ... he is just a Nato (https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/26/nato-isnt-what-you-think-it-is/)-Bilderberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants)-WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/tinyurl.com/TheGreatReset)-CFR-TC (https://www.technocracy.news/a-biden-win-would-mean-the-return-of-the-cfr-and-trilateral-commission/) puppet following (globalists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_governance)) orders.

... Sleepy Beijing Biden has all the signs being senile (https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-does-senile-really-mean-98594) and having dementia (https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-does-senile-really-mean-98594) (both are mental issues) and there are 100s of videos last 2 years to prove exactly that ... and the MSM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media) does everything to cover that up and/or to spin it somehow in his "advantage" if there is such a thing.

Utterly pathetic, msm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media) that is ... and all who trust/follow/copy the msm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media) pushed narratives as gospel.

cheers,
John



Remember this msm BS (https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37766786) in 2016? ... The opposite came true ... msm never get a "fact check" from the "authoritative fact checkers sites" mostly (indirectly) funded by Bill Gates (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110573-Look-Who-s-Coming-to-the-Rescue--Bill-Gates...) & Soros ... go figure.

[TomKat]

Obama left some regimes standing in the Middle East, never got his war with Russia or WW3. So Biden has a lot left to do. Democrats: you voted for this.

[thepainterdoug]

could have set my watch to it.

deep state , happy again

[thepainterdoug]

Gracy May. I hear you. But then again, everything is a matter of degree, isn't it?

A lie, like telling a friend you like they're bad haircut to make them feel good, is a lie as telling a friend you didn't steal their money when you did.
Both are lies, one for good, one not so.

If killing Soleimani , 1 bad person, would advert deployment of military action and so , would that not be a good" bad "thing?

Now it will remain to be seen what deep state joes decision will yield , so all hold on. However, I have been told by my alphabet friend that Iran is quite powerful, and the last Country you want to mess with.
Iran has put a ton of money and resources into defensive weaponry and tech. This will not be easy if it escalates.

Lastly, yes, we may be the bully in the world, but we have also done good for many. Have we not?

I had a bully in school that was kind enough to save myself and many of us smaller folk from the really bad guys. Its all a matter of degree.

can you say folk anymore? :sherlock:

[Elainie]

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[Gracy]

Gracy May. I hear you. But then again, everything is a matter of degree, isn't it?

A lie, like telling a friend you like they're bad haircut to make them feel good, is a lie as telling a friend you didn't steal their money when you did.
Both are lies, one for good, one not so.

If killing Soleimani , 1 bad person, would advert deployment of military action and so , would that not be a good" bad "thing?

Now it will remain to be seen what deep state joes decision will yield , so all hold on. However, I have been told by my alphabet friend that Iran is quite powerful, and the last Country you want to mess with.
Iran has put a ton of money and resources into defensive weaponry and tech. This will not be easy if it escalates.

Lastly, yes, we may be the bully in the world, but we have also done good for many. Have we not?

I had a bully in school that was kind enough to save myself and many of us smaller folk from the really bad guys. Its all a matter of degree.

can you say folk anymore? :sherlock:

Here's the way I see it Doug. The US has had it in for Iran, ever since they dared overthrow our man the Shah in '79. Don't forget, empire never forgets. They've been one of our most consistent boogeymen ever since. "Iran bad guy". And that's it, nothing more need be said, 1953 never happened.

Soleimani wasn't a terrorist, he was fighting ISIS but that was the piss poor excuse. Now the piss poor excuse is that we're letting Iran know we're serious about the supposed evil militias they sponsor. Again, it's boogeyman nonsense. Propaganda is actually the correct term.

Now I don't see any difference in these two attacks on them, other than it was different people having their strings pulled from the big chair. Others may see it differently, fair enough, but I would be interested in the reasoning on why they are so different.

[thepainterdoug]

Ok Gracie, i get it. I always tell people,

I wasn't there

[Nasu]

It seems like we are going back to the same old play book. The only winners will be the suppliers of the equipment of war.

The so called reason seems very disproportional. The official line is "It came after a civilian contractor was killed in a rocket attack on US targets earlier this month. A US service member and five other contractors were also injured when the rockets hit sites in Irbil, including a base used by the US-led coalition. The messaging around this strike is probably more important than the strike itself."

Lets bomb them into understanding the message that peace is love and love is doing things our way or its the DMZ....x... N

[Mashika]

It seems like we are going back to the same old play book. The only winners will be the suppliers of the equipment of war.

The so called reason seems very disproportional. The official line is "It came after a civilian contractor was killed in a rocket attack on US targets earlier this month. A US service member and five other contractors were also injured when the rockets hit sites in Irbil, including a base used by the US-led coalition. The messaging around this strike is probably more important than the strike itself."

Lets bomb them into understanding the message that peace is love and love is doing things our way or its the DMZ....x... N

Well there's also the reasoning "you can't be the winner if someone else is the winner" and "you can't win the race if someone else runs faster than you"

So there are two options, you practice and get better and win a fair competition, or you break the other person's legs so that there is no competition

I guess what Joe Biden said "You can't act with impunity, be careful" shows what the second approach looks like. Only the US is allowed to act like that, for everyone else, is leg breaking time. Unless you play nice and avoid running very fast and accept you may participate but never attempt to come on top, ever.. And if you do, it's leg breaking time

As far as i have seen, most of the people in the US are not aware of what really goes on out there, it's hidden from them because they would never accept that reality, and its too late to changes things so much and tell them "if we stop doing this, we will not be on top anymore, we went so far into this path, the only option to continue going is forward, we can't fall back anymore"

[Strat]

Chappelle hit the nail on the head a long time ago with this skit (apologies for the shoddy quality):
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Said it before and I'll say it again, read the book Confession of an Economic Hitman (hopefully I'm not thinking of Oil Power and Empire?). It discusses the US's preferred methods of subterfuge vs Russia/China's methods.

[Gracy]

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has no problems with the strike, so there we have it.

Now the all important question begs, does this change any perceptions that the move is unacceptable?

Skip ahead to the 2:40 mark:
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[thepainterdoug]

thanks Gracie May. its always good to know that the "opposite camp" so to speak, is in synch . We are one Country, and with all the division we tend to forget that. We all tend to look back on our previous presidential choice and ask, was he given the same courtesy of agreement from the other side? NOPE!
And on we go, right?

I think it's all about Israel anyhow. Iran is no pushover from what I hear from my ABC bud .

[Strat]

The US is the world's bully, that's just how we roll no matter who's in the big chair.

I hear this sentiment often and I am 50/50 on it. I think it's true but the caveat is that it's because we have the means to be the bully. If another country had our ability to do as they wish they would probably do the same thing.

[Gracy]

The US is the world's bully, that's just how we roll no matter who's in the big chair.

I hear this sentiment often and I am 50/50 on it. I think it's true but the caveat is that it's because we have the means to be the bully. If another country had our ability to do as they wish they would probably do the same thing.

Sure, very likely so given human nature. We just happen to have had the torch of empire passed on to us from our fading British mentors. Interesting how easily our continued conditioning into the "American Exceptionalism" type of mindset, allows repeated atrocities to be committed under the guise of "we're the good guys here to save the world from itself".

And of course part of this conditioning also includes screaming like stuck pigs when any other country tries to flex even a mustard seed of international muscle, they're portrayed as dangerous, reckless, the latest in a long line of evil boogeymen must be stopped, less freedom be forever snuffed out on the face of the earth.

And we fall for it every time.

Imagine the howls if Russia, or China, had just made a similar strike for "supposedly" defensive reasons. Or if either of those two were running around slapping crippling sanctions (that only affect innocent civilians) on any country that dared to not bend the knee, we'd see both as egregious acts of war. But when we do it, it's just something that simply must be done in order to make the world a better place.

It all comes back around full circle to the old as above so below "if my guy does it it's okay, but if your guy does it then we have a serious problem on our hands".

I'd like to see an American citizenry with the mindset that if anybody does it, we have a serious problem on our hands, "my guy" or no.

[Strat]

Agreed 100%. Unfortunately this is another position where I just tend to annoy my fellow countrymen, I see both sides of the story.

For 1 I defend my people and our actions. But I'm also critical. Terrorism is very real, but it's also a term that is used to brainwash people. If my family is bombed out of existence I'm not going to philosophically post on forums. I'm grabbing a gun and getting revenge, even if it's misguided.

I don't think that person (so called terrorist or bad guy) is evil, I think they're pissed to a level that cannot be described, and anyone in their shoes would have the same reaction. I understand this is a massive topic, I'm just briefly making a point here.

Most of my countrymen roll their eyes at me when I talk like this. Saving Private Ryan, Black Hawk Down, Gi Joe and all that. Oh and then the evening news. Books are for dorks, no time for that between work and the latest Playstation. How could we do wrong? Ironically the (combat) veterans themselves tend to be more understanding.

[Bubu]

I think its better to always put a distinction between the american government and the American people. the former is a bully and the later is a victim just like anyone in the world

[Open Minded Dude]

The US is the world's bully, that's just how we roll no matter who's in the big chair.

I hear this sentiment often and I am 50/50 on it. I think it's true but the caveat is that it's because we have the means to be the bully. If another country had our ability to do as they wish they would probably do the same thing.

Sure, very likely so given human nature. We just happen to have had the torch of empire passed on to us from our fading British mentors. Interesting how easily our continued conditioning into the "American Exceptionalism" type of mindset, allows repeated atrocities to be committed under the guise of "we're the good guys here to save the world from itself".

And of course part of this conditioning also includes screaming like stuck pigs when any other country tries to flex even a mustard seed of international muscle, they're portrayed as dangerous, reckless, the latest in a long line of evil boogeymen must be stopped, less freedom be forever snuffed out on the face of the earth.

And we fall for it every time.

Imagine the howls if Russia, or China, had just made a similar strike for "supposedly" defensive reasons. Or if either of those two were running around slapping crippling sanctions (that only affect innocent civilians) on any country that dared to not bend the knee, we'd see both as egregious acts of war. But when we do it, it's just something that simply must be done in order to make the world a better place.

It all comes back around full circle to the old as above so below "if my guy does it it's okay, but if your guy does it then we have a serious problem on our hands".

I'd like to see an American citizenry with the mindset that if anybody does it, we have a serious problem on our hands, "my guy" or no.

I noticed that many US Americans do not even know about some of the atrocities and the many civil war casualties that US 'intervention' has caused in the post-WW2 era.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/from-1945-until-today-20-to-30-million-people-killed-by-the-usa/5660519

They also don't know a thing about the perpetual 'drone war' going on in many countries.

[pabranno]

Does anybody have any thoughts on the repercussions of this in the current geopolitical environment?

[TomKat]

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has no problems with the strike, so there we have it.
Now the all important question begs, does this change any perceptions that the move is unacceptable?


Pompeo is a neocon, so of course he likes war in the middle east. Don't forget, there were a lot of neocons in the Republican party until Obama co-opted the philosophy for the Dems. Now it's onward to WW3! Whoopee, we're all gonna die!

In the 1960s, if you predicted that the Democrats would become the new face of the Nazi ideology, people would have thought you were on drugs. Now just look around. And get that mask over your nose!

[Gracy]

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has no problems with the strike, so there we have it.
Now the all important question begs, does this change any perceptions that the move is unacceptable?


Pompeo is a neocon, so of course he likes war in the middle east.

Certainly he is. That's a reason I've been finding it curious he's generally held in such high regard. Had this strike happened under his watch, I suspect it would have likely been seen more as something that had to be done for the greater good, as opposed to deep state being back on the march to WW3.


Don't forget, there were a lot of neocons in the Republican party until Obama co-opted the philosophy for the Dems. Now it's onward to WW3! Whoopee, we're all gonna die!
I don't think the dems have acquired any sort of monopoly on this philosophy, it's now just one of the rare areas where there is bipartisan agreement; others would be undying loyalty to high dollar donors and Wall Street elites.

[TomKat]

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has no problems with the strike, so there we have it.
Now the all important question begs, does this change any perceptions that the move is unacceptable?


Pompeo is a neocon, so of course he likes war in the middle east.

Certainly he is. That's a reason I've been finding it curious he's generally held in such high regard. Had this strike happened under his watch, I suspect it would have likely been seen more as something that had to be done for the greater good, as opposed to deep state being back on the march to WW3.


Don't forget, there were a lot of neocons in the Republican party until Obama co-opted the philosophy for the Dems. Now it's onward to WW3! Whoopee, we're all gonna die!
I don't think the dems have acquired any sort of monopoly on this philosophy, it's now just one of the rare areas where there is bipartisan agreement; others would be undying loyalty to high dollar donors and Wall Street elites.

The pro-China technocrats in Silicon Valley backed the Democrat party, and most Democrats are not aware they are now supporting fascism. It's been a gradual shift to fascism from the time the Clintons allied the party with the deep state, and Obama started charging journalists with treason. Ironically, the once-captive Republican party is now, since Trump, less aligned with the deep state. Throwing their weight behind the Dems, the deep state lost the Republican Party they used to own.

[AutumnW]

Ok Gracie, i get it. I always tell people,

I wasn't there

Sabre rattling and actual strikes unite both parties, deep state, overt state and most of mainstream media. You want to know what's wrong with America, consider being someone living somewhere in the Middle East and having to fear attacks on your country based on propaganda and completely random nonsense.

[AutumnW]

The pro-China technocrats in Silicon Valley backed the Democrat party, and most Democrats are not aware they are now supporting fascism. It's been a gradual shift to fascism from the time the Clintons allied the party with the deep state, and Obama started charging journalists with treason. Ironically, the once-captive Republican party is now, since Trump, less aligned with the deep state. Throwing their weight behind the Dems, the deep state lost the Republican Party they used to own. Tomkat

The pro-China technocrats? They're pro-money. It's value and ideology free--though their is a strong element of religion there--the worship of money. Fascism is rooted in Nationalism, so no to Clinton being a fascist. He was the prototypical neo-liberal globalist--bad enough.

The "deep state" was never completely aligned with Dems. If it was the case, Trump would never have been elected. The Deep State isn't monolithic. It is a number of clandestine agencies who owe their allegiance to banking (East Coast) military (oil) and Wall Street.

You really have to get off mainstream media and social media and start to read or watch business media. Follow the money and click your heels three times, Dorothy, and it will take you right out of OZ.

[Gracy]

It's been a gradual shift to fascism from the time the Clintons allied the party with the deep state, and Obama started charging journalists with treason.

Sure, the Clintons are as guilty as they come. Biden, Obama, swamp creatures all. Now if we expand hanging the Deep State noose around people's necks concerning not just callous air strikes, but their relationships with journalists as well, is it really just the dems looking to muzzle free speech?

Here's our buddy again. It's already an oldie but goodie classic for the ages, and his boss did zero to pull back on the long leash he was given:
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[AutumnW]

Why does Washington Post hate Trump so much? Is it for all the stated reasons? Are the reporters and editorialists sincere? (probably to a point). But hey, look over here. Bezos owns the Post and look at what was at stake for this sack of ****.

https://www.techradar.com/news/pentagon-may-cancel-jedi-contract-and-start-over

It's the money, always the money.

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Oh Pompao. What a bloviating lying windbag.

[TomKat]

The pro-China technocrats in Silicon Valley backed the Democrat party, and most Democrats are not aware they are now supporting fascism. It's been a gradual shift to fascism from the time the Clintons allied the party with the deep state, and Obama started charging journalists with treason. Ironically, the once-captive Republican party is now, since Trump, less aligned with the deep state. Throwing their weight behind the Dems, the deep state lost the Republican Party they used to own. Tomkat

The pro-China technocrats? They're pro-money. It's value and ideology free--though their is a strong element of religion there--the worship of money. Fascism is rooted in Nationalism, so no to Clinton being a fascist. He was the prototypical neo-liberal globalist--bad enough.

The "deep state" was never completely aligned with Dems. If it was the case, Trump would never have been elected. The Deep State isn't monolithic. It is a number of clandestine agencies who owe their allegiance to banking (East Coast) military (oil) and Wall Stree

You're not keeping up. Fascism has been international since the days of Caroll Quigley (Clinton's mentor, who wrote Tragedy & Hope in the 1960s). That's why it tag teams with communism so often.

[AutumnW]

Not keeping up. Too funny. Fascism has been a concern since it moved its franchise to the U.S from Germany, largely through Project Paper Clip,
Fascism rides in on a wave of populism, becomes entrenched, the leader is revealed to be a tyrant after the fact. By then it's too late. But...small reward, people will be allowed to work.

The Nazis were fascists, not socialists. Clinton was neither. He was a globalist and a jerk.

[Brigantia]

The Nazis were fascists, not socialists. Clinton was neither. He was a globalist and a jerk.

Nazi is an acronym for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - in English, National Socialist German Workers' Party.

[TomKat]

Not keeping up. Too funny. Fascism has been a concern since it moved its franchise to the U.S from Germany, largely through Project Paper Clip,
Fascism rides in on a wave of populism, becomes entrenched, the leader is revealed to be a tyrant after the fact. By then it's too late. But...small reward, people will be allowed to work.
The Nazis were fascists, not socialists. Clinton was neither. He was a globalist and a jerk.

Actually, the US backers of the Nazis, such as the Dulles brothers, the Bushes and Rockefellers, brought fascism to the US, and it never had a charismatic leader and it was sold as the middle way. Remember "Rockefeller Republicans" who were "kinder and gentler?" Bill Clinton came from Rockefeller's Arkansas and started out as a "blue dog" (conservative) "Democrat."

I think they were trying to do Marx's dialectic: Capitalism and Communism resolving to the "Middle." Unfortunately, it never worked and we end up, today, moving back to feudalism. Property for the "stake holders," and UBI for the propertyless (serfs). That's why Biden advocates a $15 minimum wage and Social Security retirement the same. This further wipes out the major employers (small business, the bourgeoisie) and sets us up for a UBI of $15/hr. "You will own nothing but you will be happy."

[AutumnW]

Brigantia and Tomkat,

I have no desire to get lost in the weeds of definition with you. What stands out here is the term, 'nationalist.' And nationalism can and should be a great thing. Who doesn't want a government that promotes its own people and always puts them first? Correct?

Unfortunately the nationalist impulse can go hand in hand with ideas of superiority that can break down along ethnic lines, as it certainly did in Germany with its magical realism of a native Aryan type that was threatened and enslaved by Semites.

That's all. Back to topic.

There is some hysteria surrounding the issue of definitions, for sure.

https://www.econlib.org/how-socialist-was-national-socialism/

[AutumnW]

Not keeping up. Too funny. Fascism has been a concern since it moved its franchise to the U.S from Germany, largely through Project Paper Clip,
Fascism rides in on a wave of populism, becomes entrenched, the leader is revealed to be a tyrant after the fact. By then it's too late. But...small reward, people will be allowed to work.
The Nazis were fascists, not socialists. Clinton was neither. He was a globalist and a jerk.

Actually, the US backers of the Nazis, such as the Dulles brothers, the Bushes and Rockefellers, brought fascism to the US, and it never had a charismatic leader and it was sold as the middle way. Remember "Rockefeller Republicans" who were "kinder and gentler?" Bill Clinton came from Rockefeller's Arkansas and started out as a "blue dog" (conservative) "Democrat."

I think they were trying to do Marx's dialectic: Capitalism and Communism resolving to the "Middle." Unfortunately, it never worked and we end up, today, moving back to feudalism. Property for the "stake holders," and UBI for the propertyless (serfs). That's why Biden advocates a $15 minimum wage and Social Security retirement the same. This further wipes out the major employers (small business, the bourgeoisie) and sets us up for a UBI of $15/hr. "You will own nothing but you will be happy."

It is absolutely useless to view the current cluster f*** as anything but generations of elites arranging the world around their own selfish desires. As well as political realities you have to also feature in automation and consider that some of the elites are actually kind of concerned, for selfish reasons.

It serves no purpose for them to have people starving to death. "You will own nothing and be happy," understood in black and white terms seems really awful, but some of these types maybe deduced that the future will be so bleak that just having enough to eat and a roof over your head, even if it is a government subsidized co-op of some sort, beats living under a bridge.

You can criticize the Reset along typical screaming points of the alternative media, or dismiss concerns about it entirely, like mainstream media, but it's a good idea to examine the real practical concerns of some of the elite here. Some of them have a conscience. Hard to believe if you are highly politically doctrinaire, along the lines of the current zeitgeist, but it is the case. They are not all, right down to the individual, psychopathic and soulless. That doesn't make sense on any level.

Same with the military and defense contractors, to a point. It is all about the money on a systemic level, but some who rise to levels of prominence in the military do have souls and don't like what their own country gets up to overseas.

It's probably wise not to be too much of an absolutist. It can devolve into a witchhunt, like the Metoo movement, that sees all men as 'the enemy' and guilty until proven innocent.

[Gracy]

It's probably wise not to be too much of an absolutist. It can devolve into a witchhunt, like the Metoo movement, that sees all men as 'the enemy' and guilty until proven innocent.

That's good medicine. :nod:

[TomKat]

Not keeping up. Too funny. Fascism has been a concern since it moved its franchise to the U.S from Germany, largely through Project Paper Clip,
Fascism rides in on a wave of populism, becomes entrenched, the leader is revealed to be a tyrant after the fact. By then it's too late. But...small reward, people will be allowed to work.
The Nazis were fascists, not socialists. Clinton was neither. He was a globalist and a jerk.

Actually, the US backers of the Nazis, such as the Dulles brothers, the Bushes and Rockefellers, brought fascism to the US, and it never had a charismatic leader and it was sold as the middle way. Remember "Rockefeller Republicans" who were "kinder and gentler?" Bill Clinton came from Rockefeller's Arkansas and started out as a "blue dog" (conservative) "Democrat."

I think they were trying to do Marx's dialectic: Capitalism and Communism resolving to the "Middle." Unfortunately, it never worked and we end up, today, moving back to feudalism. Property for the "stake holders," and UBI for the propertyless (serfs). That's why Biden advocates a $15 minimum wage and Social Security retirement the same. This further wipes out the major employers (small business, the bourgeoisie) and sets us up for a UBI of $15/hr. "You will own nothing but you will be happy."

It is absolutely useless to view the current cluster f*** as anything but generations of elites arranging the world around their own selfish desires. As well as political realities you have to also feature in automation and consider that some of the elites are actually kind of concerned, for selfish reasons.

It serves no purpose for them to have people starving to death. "You will own nothing and be happy," understood in black and white terms seems really awful, but some of these types maybe deduced that the future will be so bleak that just having enough to eat and a roof over your head, even if it is a government subsidized co-op of some sort, beats living under a bridge.

You can criticize the Reset along typical screaming points of the alternative media, or dismiss concerns about it entirely, like mainstream media, but it's a good idea to examine the real practical concerns of some of the elite here. Some of them have a conscience. Hard to believe if you are highly politically doctrinaire, along the lines of the current zeitgeist, but it is the case. They are not all, right down to the individual, psychopathic and soulless. That doesn't make sense on any level.

Same with the military and defense contractors, to a point. It is all about the money on a systemic level, but some who rise to levels of prominence in the military do have souls and don't like what their own country gets up to overseas.

It's probably wise not to be too much of an absolutist. It can devolve into a witchhunt, like the Metoo movement, that sees all men as 'the enemy' and guilty until proven innocent.

I do believe, after listening to countless testimony, that the top-top elite are Satanists, paedophiles and traffickers of every stripe with a "bad is good" morality. I just listened to Sean Stone interview a Belgian woman who has had success in rehabilitating some of these lower rung paedophiles (who are probably not psychopaths since they were rehabilitated):
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bs2n8pxaan5T/
She mentions how the Mother of Darkness castle (where George Bush Sr. initiated his daughter) is expunged from Google Earth.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Don't you think that at the end of the day, the very very top elite will turn out to be...from another world?

[TomKat]

Don't you think that at the end of the day, the very very top elite will turn out to be...from another world?

Well, their souls may have been displaced by alien souls. Malachi Martin called it "perfectly possessed," impervious to exorcism. He also theorized that our universe is built on top of an ancient, destroyed universe, where a lot of evil comes from.

[Bluegreen]

Don't you think that at the end of the day, the very very top elite will turn out to be...from another world?

Yes. PA member Wes Penre called them the AIF (Alien Invader Force), a relatively small group of multiple races.

https://wespenre.com/

https://wespenrepublicationshome.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/cropped-WesPenre2016.jpg?w=200

"My name is Wes Penre, and I am a writer and a researcher, researching ancient text and connecting the dots, in order to rediscover the true history of this planet and beyond. This has forced me to deeply look into the extraterrestrial influences in history, where they come from, what their agenda might have been, and more. Additional research made me realize that these ancient aliens never left – they are still here, and they have huge plans for humanity. Unfortunately, these plans are not to our benefit!

wespenre.com, which has been my main website since 2011, is diving into the details of the creation of our Universe/Multiverse; how and where life on Planet Earth started, the genetic manipulation of mankind, which made Homo sapiens sapiens come into existence, the War of the “gods” here on Earth and elsewhere in the Universe, much more on who are pulling the strings on the Global Elite, the upcoming difficulties and challenges we are meeting; and finally, how we can resolve this situation, which we can.

Important to understand is that this is my journey and everything in here is based on my research, and/or my own experiences and conclusions. Your journey may be slightly, or entirely, different from mine. I am not looking for “followers,” and I have no wish to be a “guru” or authority on any subject. Those who have read my work from earlier years (illuminati-news.com, which has been infested with bots) can see how my path has developed to the point where I am today. Hopefully, I will continue growing spiritually so that I am somewhere totally different in a few years from now; at a whole new level of reality.

My hope is that I can inspire you to continue your own research and journey into the future by perhaps take some of my material to heart and use as a springboard towards your own increased understanding of the Multiverse."

[Brigantia]

Brigantia and Tomkat,

I have no desire to get lost in the weeds of definition with you. What stands out here is the term, 'nationalist.' And nationalism can and should be a great thing. Who doesn't want a government that promotes its own people and always puts them first? Correct?

No, me neither; it's just that 'fascism' gets tied to 'extreme right-wing' these days and it's not that clear-cut. Socialism has had a significant influence in politics here in Europe since the war, and so we know the difference between that and communism plus other political tags, a distinction lost in some other parts of the world.

I would point out that ALL countries in Europe - and probably elsewhere in the world - used to be nationalist until recently, and I believe that this change has arisen through social engineering. Many Mediterranean countries still have a strong sense of national identity. Britain's Labour party resisted immigration from the West Indies in the 1950s as they said it would take away jobs, but the Conservatives wanted cheap labour; now their positions are reversed. In my youth everyone around me had a pride in being British - how that has changed over the years.

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[9ideon]

No, me neither; it's just that 'fascism' gets tied to 'extreme right-wing' these days and it's not that clear-cut.

I have to agree there, been thinking about that a lot lately for some reason. As far as the definition goes:


A political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

If one takes out the Race thing it starts looking a lot like our New Normal for some reason, kinda like a Democratic Fascism with the illusion of free elections being actually honest.

Ahh well.