What Happens After You Die And Before You Reincarnate - Between Lives

[rgray222]

7000 Souls Recall Their ‘Life’ Between Lives During Regression Hypnosis, The Similarities Are Astounding

Over 7000 people/souls share their experience, through regression hypnosis, as to what happened after they died and before they reincarnated.

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Certified Master Hypnotherapist Michael Newton (https://www.newtoninstitute.org/) developed a technique to regress his clients back in time to recall memories from their past lives. During this process he stumbled upon a discovery of enormous proportions. He was able to bring the souls back to the place where they go before their next life — a life between lives. Out of 7,000 regressions, a large majority had eerily similar recollections of a place that many of them called “home.”

One of the most fascinating aspects of Newton’s work was that it didn’t matter who he was working with or what their previously held beliefs were in regards to the concept of “a soul” or reincarnation–in fact, many didn’t believe in these concepts at all. After coming out of a session, many of these people were changed forever. They were able to recount some of their past lives and feel and clearly see the relationship those previous lives had to their current life.

The Life Between Lives

In the world of hypnotherapy, past-life regression is almost common, but what’s unique about Newton’s work is his ability to get his subjects to recall memories from being in the womb, and then from before that point as well, to the place between each life. This was a place where, often, all of the soul family was waiting and welcoming with open arms. Many of the subjects were often surprised to see who was there as some of these people had provided a challenging experience for them in their previous lives.

According to Newton, the hypnotic responses from his subjects in regards to the afterlife provided credible information because of the consistency in their reports. Often the subjects would even use the same words and graphic depictions of where they were and what they were seeing. Newton had no reason to feel that anyone had a motive to fake their stories, and treated each case as if he was hearing the information for the first time. In other words, he was not suggesting words or ideas to them, but rather giving them the freedom to express these lives on their own. The similarities between the subjects was quite astounding.

Some of these similarities included


People’s memories of the initial activities of the soul just after final death on earth parallel the recollections of people returning from a near-death experience (NDE).
Souls are generally anxious to move away from the earth after death, and in many cases may stay a few days for their funeral.
Most souls initially pass through a tunnel towards the light of heaven.
The appearances of physical structures or other familiarities from Earth on the entry of the soul into heaven are intended to ease their transition.
Souls have the capability of projecting former life forms in communication with other souls.
Immediately after their death on earth, souls are met initially in heaven by their spirit guides or someone with whom they were close in their previous life. They meet others that were important to them previously.
Spirit guides continue their protective role in heaven.
Communication in heaven is done through telepathy.
A private form of consciousness between spirits exists through touch.
Ghosts are spirits who have chosen to remain within the earth plane, generally with a high degree of discontent. They can be dealt with by various means, such as exorcism, to get them to stop interfering with human beings.
Souls who were unable to turn aside a human impulse to harm others will go into seclusion upon entering the spirit world and remain for quite a while. The following reincarnation may be as a victim in a karmic cycle of justice.
An arriving soul can enter a place of healing as part of the restoration of the soul after a lifetime on earth.
A life review is conducted, first with spirit guides and later with a Council of Elders.
Souls travel to their initial destination in heaven through a large staging area.
Souls proceed to their cluster, consisting of small groups of soul energy that appear like a cluster of transparent bubbles or translucent bulbs. They contain entities who often shared past lives with the arriving spirit.
Group placement is determined by soul level.
Secondary groups have some contact with a primary group.
Opportunity for socialization and travel exist for souls living in their group.
Once a soul group is formed no new members are added.
Souls are grouped with others of similar characteristics.
At higher levels of soul evolution more independence takes place from group activities.
Spirit lights demonstrate color that correlates with a soul’s state of spiritual evolution.
The spirit world resembles one great schoolhouse with a multitude of classrooms under the direction of teacher-souls who monitor progress.
All souls have a personal guide who may be with them for thousands of years and many lives.
Junior guides are often assigned as well, later in the development of a soul.
Guides can appear as humans as well as spirits.
Most souls in the world today are in an early stage of development.
Spirits can experience two lives on earth at the same time.
A dormant part of our soul remains in heaven during incarnations.
Souls learn the techniques of the creation of physical items by thought, starting with simple assignments.
Souls incarnate on worlds other than the Earth.
The evolution of souls can continue way beyond the level where incarnation takes place.
Souls are reincarnating more frequently in recent centuries, and today would have roughly two lives during the past century.
Souls are not required to reincarnate but considerable pressure is brought to bear by spirit guides when the time is considered right.
Souls go to a place of life selection in order to examine alternative lives to lead.
There is a tendency for spirits to reincarnate in the same geographical area they were in during past lives.
The effort required to overcome a physical disability accelerates spiritual evolution.
Souls learn prior to a new incarnation to recognize future earthly signs from other souls they may encounter on earth with whom they have been close in the spirit world.
Souls leave heaven to enter the body of an infant through a tunnel.
The physical shock of birth is greater than that of death.
Souls can arrive in the infant’s body anytime before, during or slightly after the moment of birth.

Again, not only is this level of similarity and detail fascinating, but many of the thousands of people who were put under this hypnosis had no previous belief of reincarnation, the soul, or source consciousness. Their experiences here changed their minds.

In one instance a woman who had always faced challenges with her father in her current life saw that his soul had actually inhabited the body of the man who was the one who killed her in a past life. She was able to see how the members of the soul family aren’t always who you might expect. Some people who have caused us the most grief may have been doing so for our soul’s best interest, in order to help us grow.

For some of us, this work may resonate on a deep level. I know for myself while watching a documentary on this subject called, Flipside: A Journey Into The Afterlife, and hearing the people recount their previous lives or the place that was often described as “home,” no part of me doubted anything they were saying for even a second. This information resonated to the very core of my being and just happens to go along quite nicely with my previously held beliefs in terms of reincarnation and the afterlife. Of course, we can never know for sure, but the topic of past lives and life after death is truly fascinating and can be fun to explore. I highly recommend the book on this subject, Journey Of Souls: Case Studies Of Life Between Lives by Michael Newton himself. It goes into much more depth and provides transcripts of actual sessions with the hypnotized subjects.

What do you think happens when we die?

Source: https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/08/22/7000-souls-recall-their-life-between-lives-during-regression-hypnosis-dolores-cannon/?fbclid=IwAR2ksVi9p4-qB_1_fckbuZlZ9GdpYfUWdYAd9K-do_CIPBdF05EY1v8OsIc
Artlcle by Alana Ketler (https://www.newtoninstitute.org/) - writer for Collective Evolution

[Justplain]

The follow-up book by Newton to Journey of Souls, Destiny of Souls, is also rivetting on this subject.

[Hym]

A short while after my son's mother, my ex-wife, passed on I asked him where she was at.

He said she was sent to a training for those people who had addictions. That makes sense as that is why she passed away some 10 years ago, even as the time we had spent with her shortly before, had quickly improved her health, until we left to come back here. Many lessons there for me, yet a calmness and deeper communication with her for my son, one that continues to this day.

[thepainterdoug]

rgray222

this is my favorite subject today. I study NDE , OBE and soul journey continually. It all speaks to me as the most credible of revelation regarding the so called afterlife .

thanks

[Mike]

A short while after my son's mother, my ex-wife, passed on I asked him where she was at.

He said she was sent to a training for those people who had addictions. That makes sense as that is why she passed away some 10 years ago, even as the time we had spent with her shortly before, had quickly improved her health, until we left to come back here. Many lessons there for me, yet a calmness and deeper communication with her for my son, one that continues to this day.


That's very interesting Hym. Thanks for sharing that.

It reminded me of what my friend Jim told me once, after his close friend had committed suicide. He said he had a lucid dream a few weeks later, where this deceased friend had come to visit him. And the friend told Jim that he was assigned to a group of people - all suicides - whose job it was to go out into the world and prevent disasters. It wasn't to defuse bombs or anything like that; he gave Jim an example but I've sort of forgotten. I think the group had prevented a structure from caving in on some people or something of that nature.

Anyway, it all rang very true to me.

Anyone know what Newton says about fate vs free will?

[palehorse]

This is very interesting subject, I had some experience on it long ago, nowadays I do not know if I believe it anymore, but I did for a long time..

I went through regression hypnosis when I was about 20 something years old, and for my surprise I learned who I was in my previously life and also that time it explained why I had such a pain in my belly, at least that was a reasonable explanation.

I had an uncle that was murdered (stabbed in his belly and back) by one of his employee when trying to protect my granpa (granpa was the target), the time of the event I was not born yet, but of course I learned about the story from my parents, I born after almost 10 years of his death and everybody in my family said the same thing, I was exactly like my uncle, in physical appearance and in spirit and it wasn't the first time someone said that to me, my family specially my father was into spiritualism, they believed in reincarnation and one medium at some point said that, I was his reincarnation, that time we didn't give much attention after all I was a young boy, but years later I went all by myself into regression hypnosis process to learn things about me and mostly about my past and for my surprise this damn thing came up again, the person doing the regression didn't know anything about my family history, he was an strange and that made me scratch my head once again.

Since then I had read just a lot of things related into reincarnation and every doctrine, religion, mediums, etc.. have a different idea of it, what bugs me the most is that in Buddhism for example, it is said it takes about 49 days to the spirit reincarnate, during a period of 7 weeks process.. others mediums says it can take as long as it is necessary.. there is no agreement in between them.

I myself didn't remember anything been murdered in my previous life, in the regression session I can remember was some sort of conflict I was in, but images were blurred, there was no clear definition of what it was and where or in what time it happened.. for me the information is not clear enough to take it as granted.. then I still wondering what it is all about.

I went to many doctors as a kid in order to know what was that huge pain in my belly, doctors had no idea what the problem was, my health was in perfect condition. Many years later I had the same thing in my back, the same feeling of been stabbed and I had never been stabbed in this life. How do I know how it feels? Last time my wife carried to the hospital, because I couldn't move or breath very well, we did tomography (full body scan) and once again, nothing, no explanation for my pain, not even a teared muscle.

I guess I have to live with that, whatever it is.

[Bluegreen]

I think we all judge ourselves, and go from there

[George]

I am also fascinated by this subject. Reading Newton's work what struck me most were not only the uncanny similarities in the accounts but also how structured the afterlife was. The leads me to believe that the reincarnation mechanism is part of the same trap/illusion we are currently in. There is lots of info on how to escape the afterlife trap out there.

[Journeyman]

I am also fascinated by this subject. Reading Newton's work what struck me most were not only the uncanny similarities in the accounts but also how structured the afterlife was. The leads me to believe that the reincarnation mechanism is part of the same trap/illusion we are currently in. There is lots of info on how to escape the afterlife trap out there.

That's what I was wondering about reading some of the accounts above. Are we making informed decisions to come here for our growth or is this a trap?

I found the Wes Penre site via Avalon:

https://wespenre.com/contents-of-the-first-level-of-learning/

and I think Wes has posted here also.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

It is indeed a fascinating subject. I have read - long time ago - Newton's books.
Also, while I do remember some past life experiences (no regression though), I have some "thoughts" by what is "the normal", after death.

George and Journeyman make very valid points.
Trap or not? (the "light and the tunnel" I mean).
Personally, I am still "debating" that with myself.

I did have one NDE, where I almost died. I did see no tunnel, but after seeing myself from "the back" (about 3 meters) and also seeing the silver cord, the next scene was like "floating on clouds". Quite nice and interesting.

Then, the next scene was where I was in a nice garden and some being/entity told me I had a choice to leave and go on to another life or to stay and continue that life where I was in. I was 18 at the time; now I am 63 (and I am obviously still here).

Interestingly, I was looking at the scene from "outside". Meaning, I saw "myself (as a person(ality)?) and the entity (that looked like an old wise man with long hairs and beard, tall, slender and like floating in the air); I know that some authors consider this entity - possibly - the/a demiurge. Which would indeed mean that it is a kind of "trap". But it may be something else as well. I felt no negativity, nor positivity emanating from "him/it". Very neutral, non-emotional, sort of "matter-of-fact-like" was what it/he said.

So, why is it that some see tunnel+light and others (not a whole lot it seems), skip that and have a different experience, during NDE's?

The NDE did not change me thàt much, I had read "Life after Life" by R. Moody just the year before. I found it special to have a personal experience, related to what he wrote about. However, I felt after the NDE like "more of me" had come into the physical body (no doubt because I was going towards a pretty "tough" life and with the Energy I had/was before the NDE, I would never have survived all what was yet to follow, in those 45 years so far).

Thanks for bringing this subject up! It is worthwhile exploring it.

For those that question the validity of the BLA (as Wes Penre calls it) and the tunnelexperience, there is this website, mentioned elsewhere on PA as well: www.trickedbythelight.com It gives another perspective.

What's the "truth"? Or are different situations possible depending on the soul/person in question?

[thepainterdoug]

sorry, i dont know how to highlight someones previous quote, lol



Quote Posted by George (here)
I am also fascinated by this subject. Reading Newton's work what struck me most were not only the uncanny similarities in the accounts but also how structured the afterlife was. The leads me to believe that the reincarnation mechanism is part of the same trap/illusion we are currently in. There is lots of info on how to escape the afterlife trap out there.
That's what I was wondering about reading some of the accounts above. Are we making informed decisions to come here for our growth or is this a trap?

My feeling is its not a trap if its bliss. What is it that makes life on earth a trap? Loss pain and lack of love. Why is this life hard here on earth? Because its temporary, we build attachments to loved ones, joys and shared happiness. What makes this life tragic is these are either torn from us, or eventually must end. Loved ones die, sickness and suffering and old age are inevitable for most.

So if an afterlife, as many have described is an awareness of these loved ones, these attachments and so on, but without the fear and pain of the loss of them, then why would it be called a trap? And what would be the opposite of that trap?

Is there any way of conceiving a knowing, without this knowing being based on our present reality? Could I be out in the universe unattached to mother father son , daughter loved ones and have happiness? Why would one feel or perceive a peace and tranquility from this? Our very definitions have been created within this earth bound reality .

I would need to know what an alternative to the trap would be?

[TomKat]

This is very interesting subject, I had some experience on it long ago, nowadays I do not know if I believe it anymore, but I did for a long time..

I went through regression hypnosis when I was about 20 something years old, and for my surprise I learned who I was in my previously life and also that time it explained why I had such a pain in my belly, at least that was a reasonable explanation.

I had an uncle that was murdered (stabbed in his belly and back) by one of his employee when trying to protect my granpa (granpa was the target), the time of the event I was not born yet, but of course I learned about the story from my parents, I born after almost 10 years of his death and everybody in my family said the same thing, I was exactly like my uncle, in physical appearance and in spirit and it wasn't the first time someone said that to me, my family specially my father was into spiritualism, they believed in reincarnation and one medium at some point said that, I was his reincarnation, that time we didn't give much attention after all I was a young boy, but years later I went all by myself into regression hypnosis process to learn things about me and mostly about my past and for my surprise this damn thing came up again, the person doing the regression didn't know anything about my family history, he was an strange and that made me scratch my head once again.

Since then I had read just a lot of things related into reincarnation and every doctrine, religion, mediums, etc.. have a different idea of it, what bugs me the most is that in Buddhism for example, it is said it takes about 49 days to the spirit reincarnate, during a period of 7 weeks process.. others mediums says it can take as long as it is necessary.. there is no agreement in between them.

I myself didn't remember anything been murdered in my previous life, in the regression session I can remember was some sort of conflict I was in, but images were blurred, there was no clear definition of what it was and where or in what time it happened.. for me the information is not clear enough to take it as granted.. then I still wondering what it is all about.

I went to many doctors as a kid in order to know what was that huge pain in my belly, doctors had no idea what the problem was, my health was in perfect condition. Many years later I had the same thing in my back, the same feeling of been stabbed and I had never been stabbed in this life. How do I know how it feels? Last time my wife carried to the hospital, because I couldn't move or breath very well, we did tomography (full body scan) and once again, nothing, no explanation for my pain, not even a teared muscle.

I guess I have to live with that, whatever it is.

You should try hypnotic regression.

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A lot of people like Seth and Cayce talk about people spending 50 years or more between incarnations. But my sources say it's about 6 years on average.

[UNEEKSTUF]

Fascinating stuff. I have always been drawn to this subject matter. I want to know more. As a child I remember spirit entities standing around my bed at night. I think they were guides and deceased family. At times in my adult life, right before sleep, I find myself traveling to a secret abyss where my soul frolics with other souls. We are balls of energized light. It’s intriguing but once I realize I am there my head starts to physically hurt so I let it go.

[palehorse]

This is very interesting subject, I had some experience on it long ago, nowadays I do not know if I believe it anymore, but I did for a long time..

I went through regression hypnosis when I was about 20 something years old, and for my surprise I learned who I was in my previously life and also that time it explained why I had such a pain in my belly, at least that was a reasonable explanation.

I had an uncle that was murdered (stabbed in his belly and back) by one of his employee when trying to protect my granpa (granpa was the target), the time of the event I was not born yet, but of course I learned about the story from my parents, I born after almost 10 years of his death and everybody in my family said the same thing, I was exactly like my uncle, in physical appearance and in spirit and it wasn't the first time someone said that to me, my family specially my father was into spiritualism, they believed in reincarnation and one medium at some point said that, I was his reincarnation, that time we didn't give much attention after all I was a young boy, but years later I went all by myself into regression hypnosis process to learn things about me and mostly about my past and for my surprise this damn thing came up again, the person doing the regression didn't know anything about my family history, he was an strange and that made me scratch my head once again.

Since then I had read just a lot of things related into reincarnation and every doctrine, religion, mediums, etc.. have a different idea of it, what bugs me the most is that in Buddhism for example, it is said it takes about 49 days to the spirit reincarnate, during a period of 7 weeks process.. others mediums says it can take as long as it is necessary.. there is no agreement in between them.

I myself didn't remember anything been murdered in my previous life, in the regression session I can remember was some sort of conflict I was in, but images were blurred, there was no clear definition of what it was and where or in what time it happened.. for me the information is not clear enough to take it as granted.. then I still wondering what it is all about.

I went to many doctors as a kid in order to know what was that huge pain in my belly, doctors had no idea what the problem was, my health was in perfect condition. Many years later I had the same thing in my back, the same feeling of been stabbed and I had never been stabbed in this life. How do I know how it feels? Last time my wife carried to the hospital, because I couldn't move or breath very well, we did tomography (full body scan) and once again, nothing, no explanation for my pain, not even a teared muscle.

I guess I have to live with that, whatever it is.

You should try hypnotic regression.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

A lot of people like Seth and Cayce talk about people spending 50 years or more between incarnations. But my sources say it's about 6 years on average.

Thanks TomKat
The 6 years period would fits in my time frame since uncle's death and my birth.
Is this one you are referring to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Material

[meat suit]

It would be interesting to see if those reports change as of recently.
Jaquline Hobbs aka Oracle Girl says that the 'death space' has merged with the space that we are in. ie. they are no longer separate spaces.
the 'death space' , part of the 'slave self' system construct, where the individuated spark of infinity is recycled into the incarnation cycle....
according to her, if you drop the body now you are not going anywhere, you spend time in a new 'patition' and you will eventually re-apear here.
I know.. sounds kind of like the old system... she also says as the frequency of the earth goes up, all sorts of people will just show up here.. cnat wait for that to happen...
she says, if you die as a result of the injection regime, you wont be able to stay here and end up in a different low frequency setup elsewhere....

[Kryztian]

Two places where I have heard similar explanations about what happens in between lives:


The "Convoluted Universe" books by Delores Cannon. There are five of them in the information is spread throughout.


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The moved "Defending Your Life" with Albert Brooks. Brooks wrote the script and I think some of it may be been inspired by the books of Shirley MacLaine. (MacLaine had a cameo appearance in the movie).


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[Open Minded Dude]

I also read Newton's books years ago. Even tried a Regression by a therapist trained by his institute (they are all around the world) but unfortunately I was not hypnotisable that day or in general.

Also find Dolores Newton's books fascinating as she somehow enlarges upon the concept with 'aliens'. Something which is strangely missing from Newton's work.

I do not believe in a trap although it is something like a 'restricted' school area. You can imv 'escape' or just 'leave' it if you stay connected to your Higher Self. (See William Buhlman's work for this and his mantra of "Higher Self Now"). Then you really will go "higher" or "home" (which imho is the HS).

We know from Bob Monroe's (and some other OBE expert) books: There are BSTs / Belief System territories that might be leading from the false light pathway to some degree. William Buhlman calls them 'hollow heavens'. And there are astral hells that people also can end up for a while. They are like purgatory for some. But there are always souls working as guides to 'retrieve' them.

You can even work as retriever helper together with the nonphysical guides still incarnated as an astral projector (I did for a while and had started a book on it even). More on retrievals should be discussed in the appropriate Astral Projection forum here.

I believe also that for many of us here it will not happen that we end in a trap (BST or whichever darker 'realm') since we all go to the 'state'/'place' where we 'vibrate' on and this is much higher for us. It is a kind of 'arrogance' that we more 'awake' people should allow ourselves. :o :Party:

If we land after our immediate passing in the "Park" or "Focus 27" as Monroe called it, which is the highest 'area' were we can go in 'astral' human form, then we should bear in mind that this is still just a waystation to either go 'down again' as human (reincarnate) or depart to other tasks or higher levels or reunite with our Higher Self.

Is there a nonphysical control system / Matrix and thus a prison system? Well, maybe it is. Is it maintained by aliens or demons or whatever entities? Maybe. But in my philosophy it is like Earth life. You are also already in a physical control system (maybe set up by the nonphysical ones, yeah). You are also here to learn and grow and you do not grow by incarnating into paradise worlds all the time. So that is why I believe it is a mixture of both aspects. It is a kind of 'prison' but you knew it before you came here for your first life to live as human. Maybe you got trapped in a karmic cycle or just are her because you happen to like it. How do we know? We do not have our Higher Self consciousness with us and don't know the greater plan (the 'different overview' as Monroe called it). Experiencing the control(led) system might still be the plan though despite all the 'evil rulers' (the physical and nonphysical ones).

Btw, another movie that dealt with this concept of a 'human' waystation before you reincarnate but also shows that not all do and some went to other/higher places is Nosso Lar (Our Home). Definitely a recommendable movie:

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[I am B]

Alan Kardec's spiritism (1857) is +90% what is explained on the first post.
I've never ever connected so much with anything like I did with the book of spirits. Highly recommend it.
It also gives an interesting justification to all of it. Putting the soul on a path of a moral learning process, where different lives give us different teachings and improve our spirits as a meaning of existence.
Then, with the book of mediums it expands on the different ways of interacting with this paralel world, and how ritualism isn't that important at all, but the feeling and willfulness that is put into thoughts prayers and actions. Kardec contrasts with the methods of Newton cited here, yet the conclusion is preety much the same.

Something curious imo, is that despite agreeing that past lifes had effects on our souls, Kardec never talks about regression methods themselves (not that I remember any at all), since it claims that we're supposed to learn from this life, as a consequence of the previous ones. I've personally never known about any regression hypnotist here, and at the same time im still debating with myself if i shouldn't in a spiritual way or if im just scared.

Something that sticks preety nicely to this general concept of existance too, more in a material than a "explicitly" spiritual way, is stoicism and the writings of Marcus Aurelius. (which I'm reading from now and then and highly recommend too)

On the other hand,
Despite not being a drug consummer myself (never did, even cigarettes) I like investigating about drug effects, etc., specially when related to music. And I found out that the general stories coming from people who took DMT or salvia divinorum, (unlike psylocibine, LSD, etc) experience effects that are really really close in explaination to this spirit world: Fear of letting go of the material, Timeless dimension with entities that are familiar and greet them, usually having messages to them, etc.
With this I don't promote or support any drug consumption in any way, but maybe it is one of the material "tools" that some souls may need to improve, or as a test of their Impulsiveness/greed for power, allowing them to visit the afterlife while still on earth.

Amazing thread!!!

[Michi]

I don't subscribe to the "went to earth to grow"-meme as it is soooo utterly illogic.
If you went here for that reason - then I am sure you found the worst option.
How could one ever to expect to learn from ones mistakes or wrong-doings when he's forgot it all next times reincarnation comes around?
No, this plane is just a play ground, entered either by purpose in order to have some tickling adventures or because someone convinced you. (or to help some)
There is this fixed belief, that one has to undergo adversity in order to grow as a being.
Why would an infinite powerful being need to grow?
How about, he just wants to have fun and challenges and adventures?
And I am sure there are other places with plenty of choices and combinations.
In the end one has to decide, which place to go and which surroundings to create.

[thepainterdoug]

Hi Michi/
Im good with that as well. In the book , The application of impossible things,Natalie Sudman talks about that we are here to just experience.

This is somewhat disconcerting to me because we will struggle with the killers and rapists idea as possibly not being a so called bad thing like we believe it is.

Is it we ,who apply meaning to things? or is there actually good and bad in living and in our behavior?

thoughts??

[rgray222]

this is my favorite subject today.  I study NDE , OBE and soul journey continually.   It all speaks to me as the most credible of revelation regarding the so called afterlife.


I agree and I honestly believe that there is something in the fabric of our DNA that tells us the afterlife is not only credible but real.

Here are some random thoughts that I have had over the years on reincarnation/afterlife.


If human consciousness (the soul) doesn’t recycle/reincarnate, we’d be outside a process that includes everything else in the universe but us. That is not only improbable but it would be an anomaly of nature so great that it makes no sense. 
We all know people that have been in toxic relationships or we have been in them ourselves. These relationships are often described on day one as deep connections or we hear those involved say, I feel like I have known him/her my entire life. Well, there is a good chance we have known them a lot longer than just this one life. When the relationship goes toxic quickly we are simply being told that the relationship with this person is not for us in this life. We were not meant to make a life or start a long-term relationship with this person. We are being told to let it go and move onto someone that will help us grow to achieve a higher level of understanding in this particular life. Toxic relationships are not confined to romantic relationships. 
We have all heard people say, "my life flashed before my eyes in a split second". I believe that those words ring true because time to us on earth is completely different to those in the afterlife. Ten days on earth could be equivalent to one day in the afterlife. 
Researchers have studied young children's reports of past-life memories for more than 5 decades. The children usually describe a recent, ordinary life, and many of them have given enough details so that one particular deceased individual has been identified to match the children's statements. These cases occur worldwide and are not confined to any one geographical region or religious doctrine. The only difference is that some cultures and religions are more accepting of reincarnation.
Certain life events or trauma can trigger past life memories or abilities.  Just a quick story to validate this point. My son's closest childhood friend recently died. We attended a "celebration of life" for him last week at a hotel. Due to COVID they only allowed 50 people to be in the room at any one time.  Around the large room were hundreds of his paintings. They were beyond amazing. Some were abstract, others were impressionist style yet others so realistic that you almost thought they were photographs. He was only 34 when he died and it appeared to me that he was still searching for a style that he was most comfortable with or a style to call his own.  When he was 25 he joined the military and eventually found himself fighting in the Afghanistan war.  He told us that he had no artistic ability whatsoever as a child. I believe something traumatic happened in Afghanistan that triggered this ability that was learned in a previous life. He had often made the comment that he ability appeared out of thin air.

[TomKat]

The 6 years period would fits in my time frame since uncle's death and my birth.
Is this one you are referring to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Material

Yeah, Jane Roberts' Seth. There's a guy named Mark Frost who's supposedly channelling Seth nowadays, but I don't give him a lot of credibility. He asks Seth for confirmation of his own ideas and, of course, gets that confirmation from "Seth." :-)

[TomKat]

I don't subscribe to the "went to earth to grow"-meme as it is soooo utterly illogic.
If you went here for that reason - then I am sure you found the worst option.
How could one ever to expect to learn from ones mistakes or wrong-doings when he's forgot it all next times reincarnation comes around?
No, this plane is just a play ground, entered either by purpose in order to have some tickling adventures or because someone convinced you. (or to help some)
There is this fixed belief, that one has to undergo adversity in order to grow as a being.
Why would an infinite powerful being need to grow?
How about, he just wants to have fun and challenges and adventures?
And I am sure there are other places with plenty of choices and combinations.
In the end one has to decide, which place to go and which surroundings to create.

I kind of agree with you, but I think it's more along the lines of "why would an infinite being want to shrink?" Bored of being infinite, we shrink ourselves down and play at being finite.

[Tyy1907]

This topic has always fascinated me to no end. Some thoughts and things I've read:

In a sense we're all actors down here. Some are good and some not so much. An overarching theme is that past life karma seeks a rebalancing. So victims and perpetrators tend to find each other in subsequent lifetimes. Roles can reverse in order to bring energies back to balance.

Past life traumas - if not healed in some way- will manifest in some way like if someone died of the spanish flu they may be petrified of getting covid. Or even people who were hanged sometimes have neck or throat issues in future lives.

Average number of lifetimes each person has had is around 420.

The act of forgiveness heals and therefore severs the karmic connection one has to a perpetrator. So when Jesus said "forgive them father they know not what they do", he was simultaneously forgiving them, healing the karma instantly.

[Justplain]

A short while after my son's mother, my ex-wife, passed on I asked him where she was at.

He said she was sent to a training for those people who had addictions. That makes sense as that is why she passed away some 10 years ago, even as the time we had spent with her shortly before, had quickly improved her health, until we left to come back here. Many lessons there for me, yet a calmness and deeper communication with her for my son, one that continues to this day.


That's very interesting Hym. Thanks for sharing that.

It reminded me of what my friend Jim told me once, after his close friend had committed suicide. He said he had a lucid dream a few weeks later, where this deceased friend had come to visit him. And the friend told Jim that he was assigned to a group of people - all suicides - whose job it was to go out into the world and prevent disasters. It wasn't to defuse bombs or anything like that; he gave Jim an example but I've sort of forgotten. I think the group had prevented a structure from caving in on some people or something of that nature.

Anyway, it all rang very true to me.

Anyone know what Newton says about fate vs free will?

I believe that the Newton research indicated that souls are shown probable outcomes in a life before selecting it, but also are trained in how to pick up alternate life paths during a lifetime if the outcomes change. Therefore, some freewill seems to be involved if outcomes can change.

[onawah]

Somewhere in ancient scriptures (possibly Vedanta) I recall seeing the purpose of Creation referred to simply as the "Causeless Cause".
Perhaps we assign meaning to existence that isn't really there, except inasmuch as we imagine it ourselves.
Perhaps it really is all just a play....and we go amiss when we take it all too seriously.:flower:

Maya by the Incredible String Band

"The dust of the rivers does murmur and weep
Hard and sharp laughter that cuts to the bone
Ah, but every face within your face does show
Going gladly now to give himself his own

And twelve yellow willows shall fellow the shallows
Small waves and thunder be my pillow
Upon the gleaming water two swans that swim
And every place shall be my native home

The east gate like a fortress dissolve it away
The west gate like a prison O come break it down
Island I remember living here
Wandering beneath the empty skies

In time her hair grew long and swept the ground
And seven blackbirds carried it out behind
It bore the holy imprint of her mind
As green-foot slow she moved among the seasons

The great man, the great man, historians his memory
Artists his senses, thinkers his brain
Labourers his growth
Explorers his limbs
And soldiers his death each second
And mystics his rebirth each second
Businessmen his nervous system
No-hustle men his stomach
Astrologers his balance
Lovers his loins
His skin it is all patchy
But soon will reach one glowing hue
God is his soul
Infinity his goal
The mystery his source
And civilisation he leaves behind
Opinions are his fingernails

Maya Maya
All this world is but a play
Be thou the joyful player

The wanderer no sense does make
His eyes being tied in the true love's knot
The trees perceive his soul
Do not detain him long

Dear little animal dark-eyed and small
Caring for your fur with pointed paws
This hawk of truth is swift and flies with a still cry
A small sweetmeat to the eyes of night

O dandelion be thou thine
Reflecting the sun in sexual glory
In ever-changing tongues
The ever-changing story

The book, man, bird, woman, serpent, sea, sun
Blessed O blessed are they of the air
Your eyes, they are the eyes of the glad land
Ye twelve that will enter the seasons

The great ship, the ship of the world
Long time sailing
Mariners, mariners, gather your skills

Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lion Heart
Three kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra
The Cobbler, the maiden
The mender and the maker
The sickener and the twitcher
And the glad undertaker
The shepherd of willows
The harper and the archer
All sat down in one boat together
Troubled voyage in calm weather

Maya Maya
All this world is but a play
Be thou the joyful player"

SCRVkyt74Ig

[palehorse]

Alan Kardec's spiritism (1857) is +90% what is explained on the first post.
I've never ever connected so much with anything like I did with the book of spirits. Highly recommend it.
It also gives an interesting justification to all of it. Putting the soul on a path of a moral learning process, where different lives give us different teachings and improve our spirits as a meaning of existence.
Then, with the book of mediums it expands on the different ways of interacting with this paralel world, and how ritualism isn't that important at all, but the feeling and willfulness that is put into thoughts prayers and actions. Kardec contrasts with the methods of Newton cited here, yet the conclusion is preety much the same.

Something curious imo, is that despite agreeing that past lifes had effects on our souls, Kardec never talks about regression methods themselves (not that I remember any at all), since it claims that we're supposed to learn from this life, as a consequence of the previous ones. I've personally never known about any regression hypnotist here, and at the same time im still debating with myself if i shouldn't in a spiritual way or if im just scared.

Something that sticks preety nicely to this general concept of existance too, more in a material than a "explicitly" spiritual way, is stoicism and the writings of Marcus Aurelius. (which I'm reading from now and then and highly recommend too)

On the other hand,
Despite not being a drug consummer myself (never did, even cigarettes) I like investigating about drug effects, etc., specially when related to music. And I found out that the general stories coming from people who took DMT or salvia divinorum, (unlike psylocibine, LSD, etc) experience effects that are really really close in explaination to this spirit world: Fear of letting go of the material, Timeless dimension with entities that are familiar and greet them, usually having messages to them, etc.
With this I don't promote or support any drug consumption in any way, but maybe it is one of the material "tools" that some souls may need to improve, or as a test of their Impulsiveness/greed for power, allowing them to visit the afterlife while still on earth.

Amazing thread!!!


Thanks for that input, DMT and Mushrooms has being used as a "tool" for Millennias, it is called "the spirit molecule" in some circles, both compounds open the gates or doors of our mind.
I myself had experienced both Psilocybin and DMT, they are quite powerful substances, but different, the DMT feels more like cleanse of body and mind, Psilocybin is very deep trance trip down the rabbit hole (cosmic earth mixed with lots of self similarity patterns going on and on, not really helpful in my opinion), seems like never ending and makes one physically drained out of energy, DMT the very next day one feels like light and very sharp, you can feel the energy flowing in the body, at least that was my experience and it depends on each individual, some people said they went in contact with ALIENS! I never saw anything like that when making use of Ayahusca (DMT), but I went into the constellations no doubt about that :), it is a great detox for the soul and body, there is some cases of drug addicted turned out of drugs after experience the Ayahuasca.
I used to eat literally like a pig (not a fat person, more of a gluttony problem), DMT fixed that on me many years ago, last time I made use of it I was living in Brazil and it was long ago. :)

General Warning: DO NOT take any Psilocybin or DMT unsupervised, it can be a creep show literally, have sure you have support from a trusted friend or community member, do not get involved with suspicious practices, it will only harm and not help, I heard a lot about Ayahuasca cults kind of thing, even murdering in some Peruvian community, just be aware and follow your heart, you can't go wrong that way.

My granpa and father used to practice Kardecism, granpa used to have the Gospel and Genesis in accordance with Kardec in his living room, the book of spirits and the book of mediums are great books, I agree with that.

As I grew up as a Roman Catholic inside a Catholic School, Spiritism was a condemned practice in the eyes of the Church, my family was very divided in terms of religion, but as I grew up I decided to walk away from the Catholic school and my father of course gladly helped me, mom was nervous with our decision, but I did anyway, that was when I got into Spiritism and start to attend the sessions with granpa and father, I didn't share the same session table (my granpa did, he was a medium) I was just sitting in the outer ring of chars as an observer, never received any entity through my own body, but watched it happen innumerous times, as I grew up and I believe that it shaped me in some ways in how I see the world today.

At some point I was very active on it, but then I dropped it all, and it was all at sudden after I saw some of the workers taking advantage over others (yes: like sexual and financial advantage), since I was part of a Federation of Spiritism (Federação Espírita Portuguesa - Lisboa) and they were a large entity in the country, almost everything goes through their hands, because they document every single case, they write books, they turn manuscripts into books, record audios and videos, make productions, etc.. there is a big market behind and I saw how it works.

They work like any large institution it also has corrupted people working in there for interest only (imagine the church institution).. The time I dropped I was still relatively young but very sharp about evil stuffs, I can smell one at distance, and I had that feeling I was in the wrong place with the wrong people, then I just left, in the other hand I wanted to travel the world to learn more about everything as much as I could and that was exactly what I did and I have no regrets about that.

If anyone decide to get into it, please do your homework, you may get disappointed with what you are going to see in there, there is a lot of charlatans in this area (there is good places and dark places - some calls white and black tables) - the bigger the institution great are the chances they are corrupted, take by example John of God from Brazil (some say it is a powerful benevolent entity, others say it is an evil dark entity, very dark energy), if I am not wrong he still arrested on sexual charges (more than a hundred), there is many other cases of people and places taking advantage in the name of Kardecism and in the name of all gods elsewhere of course.

A little off-topic or maybe not, but here it goes..
If vaccines (mainly the covid-19) are bad, and these MD mediums (but not only limited to them, also religious leaders) that claim to be in contact with a great illuminated entity, why should they push vaccines for people on earth? This sort of things make me question the entire spiritual thing (not meaning it does not exist, it does, but highly from above manipulated), because the vaccines being said is a mechanism of control of population, it make me think that the orders are coming from above, something not human, as someone commented in this thread. I would love to hear more what anyone has to say about that.

Thanks for thread, this subject rocks, it is no doubt one of my favorites too.

[I am B]

[


Thanks for that input, DMT and Mushrooms has being used as a "tool" for Millennias, it is called "the spirit molecule" in some circles, both compounds open the gates or doors of our mind.
I myself had experienced both Psilocybin and DMT, they are quite powerful substances, but different, the DMT feels more like cleanse of body and mind, Psilocybin is very deep trance trip down the rabbit hole (cosmic earth mixed with lots of self similarity patterns going on and on, not really helpful in my opinion), seems like never ending and makes one physically drained out of energy, DMT the very next day one feels like light and very sharp, you can feel the energy flowing in the body, at least that was my experience and it depends on each individual, some people said they went in contact with ALIENS! I never saw anything like that when making use of Ayahusca (DMT), but I went into the constellations no doubt about that :), it is a great detox for the soul and body, there is some cases of drug addicted turned out of drugs after experience the Ayahuasca.
I used to eat literally like a pig (not a fat person, more of a gluttony problem), DMT fixed that on me many years ago, last time I made use of it I was living in Brazil and it was long ago. :)

General Warning: DO NOT take any Psilocybin or DMT unsupervised, it can be a creep show literally, have sure you have support from a trusted friend or community member, do not get involved with suspicious practices, it will only harm and not help, I heard a lot about Ayahuasca cults kind of thing, even murdering in some Peruvian community, just be aware and follow your heart, you can't go wrong that way.

My granpa and father used to practice Kardecism, granpa used to have the Gospel and Genesis in accordance with Kardec in his living room, the book of spirits and the book of mediums are great books, I agree with that.

As I grew up as a Roman Catholic inside a Catholic School, Spiritism was a condemned practice in the eyes of the Church, my family was very divided in terms of religion, but as I grew up I decided to walk away from the Catholic school and my father of course gladly helped me, mom was nervous with our decision, but I did anyway, that was when I got into Spiritism and start to attend the sessions with granpa and father, I didn't share the same session table (my granpa did, he was a medium) I was just sitting in the outer ring of chars as an observer, never received any entity through my own body, but watched it happen innumerous times, as I grew up and I believe that it shaped me in some ways in how I see the world today.

At some point I was very active on it, but then I dropped it all, and it was all at sudden after I saw some of the workers taking advantage over others (yes: like sexual and financial advantage), since I was part of a Federation of Spiritism (Federação Espírita Portuguesa - Lisboa) and they were a large entity in the country, almost everything goes through their hands, because they document every single case, they write books, they turn manuscripts into books, record audios and videos, make productions, etc.. there is a big market behind and I saw how it works.

They work like any large institution it also has corrupted people working in there for interest only (imagine the church institution).. The time I dropped I was still relatively young but very sharp about evil stuffs, I can smell one at distance, and I had that feeling I was in the wrong place with the wrong people, then I just left, in the other hand I wanted to travel the world to learn more about everything as much as I could and that was exactly what I did and I have no regrets about that.

If anyone decide to get into it, please do your homework, you may get disappointed with what you are going to see in there, there is a lot of charlatans in this area (there is good places and dark places - some calls white and black tables) - the bigger the institution great are the chances they are corrupted, take by example John of God from Brazil (some say it is a powerful benevolent entity, others say it is an evil dark entity, very dark energy), if I am not wrong he still arrested on sexual charges (more than a hundred), there is many other cases of people and places taking advantage in the name of Kardecism and in the name of all gods elsewhere of course.

A little off-topic or maybe not, but here it goes..
If vaccines (mainly the covid-19) are bad, and these MD mediums (but not only limited to them, also religious leaders) that claim to be in contact with a great illuminated entity, why should they push vaccines for people on earth? This sort of things make me question the entire spiritual thing (not meaning it does not exist, it does, but highly from above manipulated), because the vaccines being said is a mechanism of control of population, it make me think that the orders are coming from above, something not human, as someone commented in this thread. I would love to hear more what anyone has to say about that.

Thanks for thread, this subject rocks, it is no doubt one of my favorites too.

Its amazing to hear about someone who was actually into such organisations!
As Kardec says, I don't think that being highly positioned into such organisations, be it the Spiritist "church" or other religious leaders, make a person worthier or righter when it comes to spread a message, since spiritual development has nothing to do with that kind of status.

There are plenty of charlatans everywhere, I'd even dare to say that most of the "publicly known" ones are, either greedy charlatans, or greedy people who are led by less developed spirits. ^^

I've never tried any of the methods he explains, since its not completely necessary. I just read the books and base my experiences and "spirituality" around it's principles.
Did you experience any physical manifestation in any of those sessions? And any accurate instruction that happened to be? I really enjoy hearing about those.

[palehorse]

[


Thanks for that input, DMT and Mushrooms has being used as a "tool" for Millennias, it is called "the spirit molecule" in some circles, both compounds open the gates or doors of our mind.
I myself had experienced both Psilocybin and DMT, they are quite powerful substances, but different, the DMT feels more like cleanse of body and mind, Psilocybin is very deep trance trip down the rabbit hole (cosmic earth mixed with lots of self similarity patterns going on and on, not really helpful in my opinion), seems like never ending and makes one physically drained out of energy, DMT the very next day one feels like light and very sharp, you can feel the energy flowing in the body, at least that was my experience and it depends on each individual, some people said they went in contact with ALIENS! I never saw anything like that when making use of Ayahusca (DMT), but I went into the constellations no doubt about that :), it is a great detox for the soul and body, there is some cases of drug addicted turned out of drugs after experience the Ayahuasca.
I used to eat literally like a pig (not a fat person, more of a gluttony problem), DMT fixed that on me many years ago, last time I made use of it I was living in Brazil and it was long ago. :)

General Warning: DO NOT take any Psilocybin or DMT unsupervised, it can be a creep show literally, have sure you have support from a trusted friend or community member, do not get involved with suspicious practices, it will only harm and not help, I heard a lot about Ayahuasca cults kind of thing, even murdering in some Peruvian community, just be aware and follow your heart, you can't go wrong that way.

My granpa and father used to practice Kardecism, granpa used to have the Gospel and Genesis in accordance with Kardec in his living room, the book of spirits and the book of mediums are great books, I agree with that.

As I grew up as a Roman Catholic inside a Catholic School, Spiritism was a condemned practice in the eyes of the Church, my family was very divided in terms of religion, but as I grew up I decided to walk away from the Catholic school and my father of course gladly helped me, mom was nervous with our decision, but I did anyway, that was when I got into Spiritism and start to attend the sessions with granpa and father, I didn't share the same session table (my granpa did, he was a medium) I was just sitting in the outer ring of chars as an observer, never received any entity through my own body, but watched it happen innumerous times, as I grew up and I believe that it shaped me in some ways in how I see the world today.

At some point I was very active on it, but then I dropped it all, and it was all at sudden after I saw some of the workers taking advantage over others (yes: like sexual and financial advantage), since I was part of a Federation of Spiritism (Federação Espírita Portuguesa - Lisboa) and they were a large entity in the country, almost everything goes through their hands, because they document every single case, they write books, they turn manuscripts into books, record audios and videos, make productions, etc.. there is a big market behind and I saw how it works.

They work like any large institution it also has corrupted people working in there for interest only (imagine the church institution).. The time I dropped I was still relatively young but very sharp about evil stuffs, I can smell one at distance, and I had that feeling I was in the wrong place with the wrong people, then I just left, in the other hand I wanted to travel the world to learn more about everything as much as I could and that was exactly what I did and I have no regrets about that.

If anyone decide to get into it, please do your homework, you may get disappointed with what you are going to see in there, there is a lot of charlatans in this area (there is good places and dark places - some calls white and black tables) - the bigger the institution great are the chances they are corrupted, take by example John of God from Brazil (some say it is a powerful benevolent entity, others say it is an evil dark entity, very dark energy), if I am not wrong he still arrested on sexual charges (more than a hundred), there is many other cases of people and places taking advantage in the name of Kardecism and in the name of all gods elsewhere of course.

A little off-topic or maybe not, but here it goes..
If vaccines (mainly the covid-19) are bad, and these MD mediums (but not only limited to them, also religious leaders) that claim to be in contact with a great illuminated entity, why should they push vaccines for people on earth? This sort of things make me question the entire spiritual thing (not meaning it does not exist, it does, but highly from above manipulated), because the vaccines being said is a mechanism of control of population, it make me think that the orders are coming from above, something not human, as someone commented in this thread. I would love to hear more what anyone has to say about that.

Thanks for thread, this subject rocks, it is no doubt one of my favorites too.

Its amazing to hear about someone who was actually into such organisations!
As Kardec says, I don't think that being highly positioned into such organisations, be it the Spiritist "church" or other religious leaders, make a person worthier or righter when it comes to spread a message, since spiritual development has nothing to do with that kind of status.

There are plenty of charlatans everywhere, I'd even dare to say that most of the "publicly known" ones are, either greedy charlatans, or greedy people who are led by less developed spirits. ^^

I've never tried any of the methods he explains, since its not completely necessary. I just read the books and base my experiences and "spirituality" around it's principles.
Did you experience any physical manifestation in any of those sessions? And any accurate instruction that happened to be? I really enjoy hearing about those.


No, I was never allowed to seat in the inner circle, it requires years of experience and practice with the others that already developed mediunity, some people happen to develop it naturally and then join a mediunity session, for me was more of a observing and study thing, but many said include my granpa, one day I should develop my mediunity it was the right thing for everyone, since everyone has it, my granpa he was developed in that sense and he made communication, let's say with the other side all the time.
I remember all sessions starting with a pray and readings and sermons from the gospel, then the people in the inner circle start a discussion on some specific subject from a previous session and then what I believe there was some sort of invocation, because they asked for the presence of certain spirit in particular (yes, they all have names), it was always up to the spirit to manifest or not, depending on the manifestation it could go for hours, always there was a medium taking notes and writing down every single word, sometimes recording on tape, in some cases the medium himself did all the writings at a very fast speed, could barely read it later.
The session generally finish with blessings on each individual in the outer circles taking part in the session, just like the the sacred bread the priest offers to each individual, but no bread, the medium rise their hands in our heads and suck out the bad energy from us (yeah, like a vacuum machine).
My granpa said that sometimes he felt just drained, it was so much bad energy he and others have to take a nap after the sessions.

I remember some of those sessions happening late in the night and going into almost sunrise, I went to a few, but I was young, and not really into that, my father was my guide and he decided when I could take part and when not, my granpa was always in there and he was part of the core of mediums, they had no secret sessions, everybody was welcome, but for young like I was some sessions could be hard to swallow, and that's why I believe he kept out of many.

The accuracy I believe is with in the medium himself, there is no pre instructions to prepare for an invocation, the medium sometimes received entities that was not expected, spirits in bad shape, suffering, I remember one case a lady's spirit took over the medium's body, and he started convulsioning then another medium was trying to calm down the spirit, until they knew the spirit was from a woman who died few days before in a car crash and there was a real car crash in another town, they checked later. I don't think they were making that up, for whatever reason, it was many years ago and the new didn't run fast like today.

My granpa used to feel weak sometimes when at home and in many occasions he passed out, he said it was hard to control because he was very open and just a walk on the street could attract these spirits and they followed him, he could see that and have to be constantly praying and instructing them, that they had died and they should accept that now... Granpa died at very old age, almost a hundred years old, he was my best friend, the best person I ever met in this life, my uncle who was murdered was his son.

[I am B]

Amazing. I didn't think Kardec's writings were taken in such a organised religious manner. (it makes sense in a way, but definetly not how I do it at least)

Thank you very much for sharing such a personal story! Greatly greatly appreciated.

[Waldo]

I can share something that might clear things up or add more uncertainty. I was west bound on Hwy 377 leaving Early TX at dusk driving back to big D on Jan 17 1986. I was in an 82 Buick station wagon with no seat belt in place if it even had one. I'm doing 60 mph and after taking looking down to take a lick off the baskin robbins double dip ice cream cone I had just stopped for I look up and there is an 18 wheel truck in my lane about 50 feet smack dab in front of me. All I recall is saying oh **** and the next thing I remember and I recall it like it was yesterday is asking the off duty fireman who pryed open the passenger door got in the front seat and was sitting next to me was "where did Jesus go"? I do not remember anything else about Jesus except asking where he went. Every time I think about it or talk about it something inside wells up and I get emotional. I have often wondered if that was for me or Mr. off duty fireman who I have no idea who he is or if he is even alive today. I had 13 broken bones and spend almost 2 months in the hospital visited by an Angel at least once and quite a few of the AA people I met while attending a few meeting in Brownwood. It was the end of a 2 week assignment. Today for me anyway I expect to see Jesus immediately when I move from temporal to eternal. I was born first in 1953 and second birth circa 1984. I'm not a churchy type folk and don't bother with doctrines, clubs, and buildings with names on it declaring affiliation with some cult. Just my $.02

[amor]

Doug: You asked what would be the alternative to all this coming and going and experiencing, all of which I see as the creator experiencing itself in myriad forms and feelings. Well, I imagine the alternative to be a greater version of your painting for Mr. Cameron of the radiant light, similar to the sun, spreading out into greater and greater levels of Joy and Bliss, similar to what we can experience through our Pineal Gland, where all things are ONE thing and experience in the light of a Nova. I image that standing before/in the supreme one is the Ultimate Experience of Being.

[amor]

Doug: The composer Handel at the end of his Messiah, I believe in the Amen Chorus, caught the feeling of eternal, blissful, love and the Joy of being of God in his self-conscious creation.

[amor]

I have just been to: Youtube.com/music/Handel's Amen Chorus sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Listen under full sound. In the Cathedral, in the presence of the huge Pipe Organ, it comes close, if anything can, to the bliss of God's glory.

[palehorse]

Amazing. I didn't think Kardec's writings were taken in such a organised religious manner. (it makes sense in a way, but definetly not how I do it at least)

Thank you very much for sharing such a personal story! Greatly greatly appreciated.


Thanks I am B

Allan Kardec's doctrine is quite organized, they even have an International Spiritist Council located in Brazilia - Brazil, currently there is a total of 35 countries that make part of it. Brazil is where the majority of Kardecist are living today, followed by Mexico, Argentina, Cuba, Jamaica, US and Portugal.

Even I am not a Kardecist nowadays I still appreciate the beauty of it to deal with certain problems in life.

One interesting thing, it originated in France and there is almost nobody practicing it in France, Portugal I think is where the majority is located in Europe. It somehow like Buddhism in India, not many Buddhists in India, but it surely spread around.

[Zionbrion]

This book came into my life in quite a synchronistic way. It was about 6 months ago I was started dating this woman and we were talking about the book Many lives many masters and she asked if I ever read Journey if Souls, i didn’t feel compelled to read it until about a week later when a friend I only know from online recommended to a group of us to check out Journey of Souls. Twice in one week about a book written in the 90’s I knew I had to read it.

It really changed everything for me, I feel like its allowed me to see what the true nature of this reality is. It brought me such a great sense of relief, it woke me up in an entirely new way. As of this point I feel we are in a non digital simulation in which souls can incarnate in an avatar, where we can refine our essence. We come here to experience the joy and the suffering, with perhaps the next goal to become creators ourselves as soul groups. I think merging back with God is so far away we don’t need to even think about it, just enjoy the bliss and suffering of the simulation :)

Also now I am going to school for hypnotherapy, and plan to eventually goto the Newton school where they teach his method, but you have to of had a hypnotherapy practice for 2 years before you can attend.

[Builder]

Mark Sims (https://marksims.com) has quite a story about how he had a communion with the ascended being Tezjbar who communicated how the re-incarnation and consciousness development system works:

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[TomKat]

Newton said in Journey of Souls that there is no such thing as possession. I remember, after it came out, Sylvia Browne adopted that official position herself (kind of playing catch-up) on Montel Williams. Within a few years of that it became quite accepted among the New Age that possession was a fact, and there were a LOT of practitioners doing non-Christian exorcisms. Sylvia Browne even got in on the act and started proclaiming the reality of possession and saying she did exorcisms.

Anyway, it has always struck me that you have to take a bottom-up view as well as a top-down view to get at practical truth. The bottom-up view usually comes from shamanism or shamanic-like processes. The top-down view usually comes from channelling and books such as Journey of Souls. Ignore the bottom-up at your own peril.

[Ravenlocke]

Dear Rgray,
Thanks for bringing up Michael Newton. I too got his books many years ago. The interesting part for me is that years before I got his books I had a dream where I found myself in an empty classroom and a teacher, an older woman came in, and told me I didn’t belong to level 3 but level 5. Then she handed me a ring, and told me the ring would protect me from evil.
I looked at the ring and it had a blue oval stone with a crescent moon and star and the border had etchings I couldn’t decipher. Then this very bright light came and the ring seemed to change into a pure white feather.
I never forgot the dream and also my repetitive dream of going to school stopped. But I do see this lady teacher from time to time in my dreams.
Interestingly I was amazed when I got Newton’s second book Destiny of Souls, because the border markings on my “dream” ring are like the etchings illustrations in that book. Also the moon and star were similar to what is in the book.
As to past life recalls I’ve had a few throughout the years. One that was powerful to me and helped me understand better my father in this lifetime. My father killed me in this past life and I recalled the last few minutes before and during “death”.
He was a Roman gladiator and I was a fifteen year old Christian boy. He chased me down an alley and into a building to the top of the roof and cornered me. As I turned around to face him, face dying, the sheer terror and fear of what was to come, disappeared and I was filled with overwhelming calm and peace. I found myself floating above and embraced in such a deep warmth, love...
And I also felt the gladiator’s (my father in this life) emotions and heard his thoughts and then this overwhelming compassion enveloped me and I kept telling him, “you can’t kill me, we don’t die, we don’t die”. He was so intent on killing me because I was Christian and he was accomplishing part of his goal in life, to kill all christians, he couldn’t hear me telling him it was of no use. But all I felt for him was deep compassion not hatred.
More later I have to go now.

[Sérénité]

I had a past life regression a few years ago now. I was sceptical but open minded and was wary about being put under. It was absolutely nothing like I expected but a very eye opening and emotional experience.

One things that stood out to me was nobody had a physical form in the spirit world. Contact was all telepathic and when you met a light source you just ‘knew’ who they was. You felt their spirit and recognised them that way. I seen souls as this white smokey haze with a rainbow glow, much like looking through a diamond, like a glistening hazy rainbow.

I experienced 3 past lives. I’ve since gone onto search for two of the locations and found them. The 3rd wasn’t on this world, I now think it was Saturn’s Moon, Titan.
I experienced the soul family unit and it made me understand issues I have in this life with certain connections.
The ‘waiting area’ where the souls await to reincarnate I can only describe as like an airport departures hall.

It made me realise that we can bring issues into concurrent lives from previous, such as how we died, issues with souls in our group, we are all here for a reason and have signed up for this (despite sometimes thinking no way would I have agreed to this $h!tshow)

I also met my spirit guide which I’d struggled to connect to up until that point. He’s been with me from my first life
onwards and showed my how to connect to him now using a certain crystal stone.

I honestly couldn’t recommend it enough, it was a pivotal moment for me. We really are more than just this body we’re in and this life we lead. So much more. It taught me that it’s all really only about learning, evolving, helping and love.

[Tyy1907]

Newton said in Journey of Souls that there is no such thing as possession. I remember, after it came out, Sylvia Browne adopted that official position herself (kind of playing catch-up) on Montel Williams. Within a few years of that it became quite accepted among the New Age that possession was a fact, and there were a LOT of practitioners doing non-Christian exorcisms. Sylvia Browne even got in on the act and started proclaiming the reality of possession and saying she did exorcisms.

Anyway, it has always struck me that you have to take a bottom-up view as well as a top-down view to get at practical truth. The bottom-up view usually comes from shamanism or shamanic-like processes. The top-down view usually comes from channelling and books such as Journey of Souls. Ignore the bottom-up at your own peril.

Another term used is "Remote spirit releasment". Exorcisms done remotely. Much safer and highly effective. I've learned the technique Karl Mollison uses going through the divine realm. Spirit possession is a whole other topic. Highly misunderstood and unappreciated.

[kfm27917]

Michael Newtons books free on pdfdrive:

https://www.pdfdrive.com/memories-of-the-afterlife-life-between-lives-stories-of-personal-transformation-d187679794.html
https://www.pdfdrive.com/life-between-lives-hypnotherapy-for-spiritual-regression-d187741954.html
https://www.pdfdrive.com/journey-of-souls-case-studies-of-life-between-lives-d185509577.html
https://www.pdfdrive.com/destiny-of-souls-new-case-studies-of-life-between-lives-d194558687.html

Maybe Tintin can add them to our library

[Wind]

Newton said in Journey of Souls that there is no such thing as possession. I remember, after it came out, Sylvia Browne adopted that official position herself (kind of playing catch-up) on Montel Williams. Within a few years of that it became quite accepted among the New Age that possession was a fact, and there were a LOT of practitioners doing non-Christian exorcisms. Sylvia Browne even got in on the act and started proclaiming the reality of possession and saying she did exorcisms.

Anyway, it has always struck me that you have to take a bottom-up view as well as a top-down view to get at practical truth. The bottom-up view usually comes from shamanism or shamanic-like processes. The top-down view usually comes from channelling and books such as Journey of Souls. Ignore the bottom-up at your own peril.

Another term used is "Remote spirit releasment". Exorcisms done remotely. Much safer and highly effective. I've learned the technique Karl Mollison uses going through the divine realm. Spirit possession is a whole other topic. Highly misunderstood and unappreciated.

I would like to know about this more, would you care to perhaps share it privately?

Possession is as real as the Sun on the sky, one has to look no further than into personality disorders and other various mental illnesses.

[Tyy1907]

Newton said in Journey of Souls that there is no such thing as possession. I remember, after it came out, Sylvia Browne adopted that official position herself (kind of playing catch-up) on Montel Williams. Within a few years of that it became quite accepted among the New Age that possession was a fact, and there were a LOT of practitioners doing non-Christian exorcisms. Sylvia Browne even got in on the act and started proclaiming the reality of possession and saying she did exorcisms.

Anyway, it has always struck me that you have to take a bottom-up view as well as a top-down view to get at practical truth. The bottom-up view usually comes from shamanism or shamanic-like processes. The top-down view usually comes from channelling and books such as Journey of Souls. Ignore the bottom-up at your own peril.

Another term used is "Remote spirit releasment". Exorcisms done remotely. Much safer and highly effective. I've learned the technique Karl Mollison uses going through the divine realm. Spirit possession is a whole other topic. Highly misunderstood and unappreciated.

I would like to know about this more, would you care to perhaps share it privately?

Possession is as real as the Sun on the sky, one has to look no further than into personality disorders and other various mental illnesses.

Sent you pm

The topic of spirits should have its own thread. Maybe that's my next project.

[onevoice]

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Since then I had read just a lot of things related into reincarnation and every doctrine, religion, mediums, etc.. have a different idea of it, what bugs me the most is that in Buddhism for example, it is said it takes about 49 days to the spirit reincarnate, during a period of 7 weeks process.. others mediums says it can take as long as it is necessary.. there is no agreement in between them.

Buddhism does not say it takes 7 weeks or 49 days to reincarnate. In Buddhism it is taught that the 8th consciousness commonly referred to as soul can take up to 7 weeks to reincarnate. The best chance for reincarnation is within the first week after passing. Within the first week, there will be at least 3 days for the soul to completely detach energetically from the physical body, so within 3 days of passing, it is best not to disturb the body. Then after this period the soul can travel at the speed of light to find a fetus to enter into based on strong karmic attraction/match.

If after the first week, the soul does not find a suitable infant, then it searches again the 2nd week trying to find a suitable fetus based on next best karmic attraction/match. It progresses through each week, trying to find a suitable fetus, and each subsequent week will be a weaker karmic attraction/match.

If after 7 weeks no suitable match is found, then the soul becomes a hungry ghost, wandering through our realms, always searching and never being satisfied. It can stay as hungry ghost hundreds of years or thousands of years if a benevolent spirit or being does not intervene to assist the hungry ghost to move onto the next realm.

My wife's close friend who she considered as her "Mom" passed away years ago, and after a week of passing, decided to stay around her vacant house. The deceased person willed the house to my wife, and the week after the funeral my wife went through the house to clean out the house, and my wife felt her presence strongly. Every morning, one of the bedroom lamp was always on when my wife went to clean the house, even though she was very certain that she had turned off the lamp every afternoon. After several days of this, we consulted a highly spiritual friend, who suggested that we Smudge the house by burning white sage. We performed smudging ceremonies for two days, and after 2nd day of smudging, the deceased friend's spirit was gone from the house. The deceased friend was very strong willed person, very possessive and very strongly attached to the house.

[Mashika]

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Since then I had read just a lot of things related into reincarnation and every doctrine, religion, mediums, etc.. have a different idea of it, what bugs me the most is that in Buddhism for example, it is said it takes about 49 days to the spirit reincarnate, during a period of 7 weeks process.. others mediums says it can take as long as it is necessary.. there is no agreement in between them.

Buddhism does not say it takes 7 weeks or 49 days to reincarnate. In Buddhism it is taught that the 8th consciousness commonly referred to as soul can take up to 7 weeks to reincarnate. The best chance for reincarnation is within the first week after passing. Within the first week, there will be at least 3 days for the soul to completely detach energetically from the physical body, so within 3 days of passing, it is best not to disturb the body. Then after this period the soul can travel at the speed of light to find a fetus to enter into based on strong karmic attraction/match.

If after the first week, the soul does not find a suitable infant, then it searches again the 2nd week trying to find a suitable fetus based on next best karmic attraction/match. It progresses through each week, trying to find a suitable fetus, and each subsequent week will be a weaker karmic attraction/match.

If after 7 weeks no suitable match is found, then the soul becomes a hungry ghost, wandering through our realms, always searching and never being satisfied. It can stay as hungry ghost hundreds of years or thousands of years if a benevolent spirit or being does not intervene to assist the hungry ghost to move onto the next realm.

My wife's close friend who she considered as her "Mom" passed away years ago, and after a week of passing, decided to stay around her vacant house. The deceased person willed the house to my wife, and the week after the funeral my wife went through the house to clean out the house, and my wife felt her presence strongly. Every morning, one of the bedroom lamp was always on when my wife went to clean the house, even though she was very certain that she had turned off the lamp every afternoon. After several days of this, we consulted a highly spiritual friend, who suggested that we Smudge the house by burning white sage. We performed smudging ceremonies for two days, and after 2nd day of smudging, the deceased friend's spirit was gone from the house. The deceased friend was very strong willed person, very possessive and very strongly attached to the house.

The 8th consciousness addresses the seeds remaining for your next iteration. The strongest experience links to yourself that can't be erased and survive the process or something like that

I don't remember it having anything to do with the actual mechanism of reencarnación. Much less specific time frames

Specially, buddhism doesn't have a 'soul' concept in the way christian religions do. There is no soul that gets 'reborn' into another body, there is energy, but not a single soul keeps an identity, this is hard to explain in short

Where did you learned this from? Do you have a reference to it, a book or website?

This is Zoto? Right? You should know that Zoto Zen, or Zoto Buddhism is incorrect in many ways, it was merged with western beliefs so that people would accept it and understand it easier, then it was never corrected to the actual eastern Buddhism teachings

That's actually bad, nothing in the core of Buddhism mentions that stuff about days and what happens in detail. Time, days, those are human concepts, disconnected from the outer energy realm. That's a mixture of Christian concepts with Buddhism :/

On the Bible, everything is related to human time, days and nights, and so on, No such thing in Buddhism, that's how is easy to find when Dogen Zen is involved

See this, please, if you are interested, the Soto Zen school is compromised knowledge, doesn't respect the roots, but it's the most popular in the west, just exactly because there are terms and concepts that can be easily related by westerners. That doesn't mean those are correct..



After the death of Ejō, a controversy called the sandai sōron occurred. In 1267 Ejō retired as Abbot of Eihei-ji, giving way to Gikai, who was already favored by Dogen. Gikai too originally was a member of the Daruma school, but joined Dōgen's school in 1241, together with a group from the Nōnin school led by Ekan. Gikai introduced esoteric elements into the practice:




With the premature death of Dōgen the group lost its focus and internal conflicts led to a split. Dōgen's followers soon introduced such esoteric elements as prayers and incantations into the teaching.


and



Dōgen's memory has helped keep Eihei-ji financially secure, in good repair, and filled with monks and lay pilgrims who look to Dōgen for religious inspiration ... the Dōgen we remember is a constructed image, an image constructed in large measure to serve the sectarian agendas of Eihei-ji in its rivalry with Sōji-ji. We should remember that the Dōgen of the Shōbōgenzō, the Dōgen who is held up as a profound religious philosopher, is a fairly recent innovation in the history of Dōgen remembrances

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dt%C5%8D

If you are interested, you should avoid going directly to Japanese Zoto Zen, or at least, once you read and learn from it, then compare against Chinese, Indian and Russian Zen and Buddhism, so you can get a full view of it and don't be mislead

I don't believe in Zoto Zen by the way, i've seen how destructive it can be, after a while, for people who profoundly believe in it and get lost in contemplating themselves as something so special that they get arrogant and foolish, and end up becoming 'aware' of everyone else's faults but the ones they have. That' what happens when someone miscontructs or redefines concepts they were not allowed to do in the first place

I can't do anything just suggest, it is on your end in the end, but i hope and wish you well :flower:

[onevoice]

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Since then I had read just a lot of things related into reincarnation and every doctrine, religion, mediums, etc.. have a different idea of it, what bugs me the most is that in Buddhism for example, it is said it takes about 49 days to the spirit reincarnate, during a period of 7 weeks process.. others mediums says it can take as long as it is necessary.. there is no agreement in between them.

Buddhism does not say it takes 7 weeks or 49 days to reincarnate. In Buddhism it is taught that the 8th consciousness commonly referred to as soul can take up to 7 weeks to reincarnate. The best chance for reincarnation is within the first week after passing. Within the first week, there will be at least 3 days for the soul to completely detach energetically from the physical body, so within 3 days of passing, it is best not to disturb the body. Then after this period the soul can travel at the speed of light to find a fetus to enter into based on strong karmic attraction/match.

If after the first week, the soul does not find a suitable infant, then it searches again the 2nd week trying to find a suitable fetus based on next best karmic attraction/match. It progresses through each week, trying to find a suitable fetus, and each subsequent week will be a weaker karmic attraction/match.

If after 7 weeks no suitable match is found, then the soul becomes a hungry ghost, wandering through our realms, always searching and never being satisfied. It can stay as hungry ghost hundreds of years or thousands of years if a benevolent spirit or being does not intervene to assist the hungry ghost to move onto the next realm.

My wife's close friend who she considered as her "Mom" passed away years ago, and after a week of passing, decided to stay around her vacant house. The deceased person willed the house to my wife, and the week after the funeral my wife went through the house to clean out the house, and my wife felt her presence strongly. Every morning, one of the bedroom lamp was always on when my wife went to clean the house, even though she was very certain that she had turned off the lamp every afternoon. After several days of this, we consulted a highly spiritual friend, who suggested that we Smudge the house by burning white sage. We performed smudging ceremonies for two days, and after 2nd day of smudging, the deceased friend's spirit was gone from the house. The deceased friend was very strong willed person, very possessive and very strongly attached to the house.

The 8th consciousness addresses the seeds remaining for your next iteration. The strongest experience links to yourself that can't be erased and survive the process or something like that

I don't remember it having anything to do with the actual mechanism of reencarnación. Much less specific time frames

Specially, buddhism doesn't have a 'soul' concept in the way christian religions do. There is no soul that gets 'reborn' into another body, there is energy, but not a single soul keeps an identity, this is hard to explain in short

Where did you learned this from? Do you have a reference to it, a book or website?

This is Zoto? Right? You should know that Zoto Zen, or Zoto Buddhism is incorrect in many ways, it was merged with western beliefs so that people would accept it and understand it easier, then it was never corrected to the actual eastern Buddhism teachings

That's actually bad, nothing in the core of Buddhism mentions that stuff about days and what happens in detail. Time, days, those are human concepts, disconnected from the outer energy realm. That's a mixture of Christian concepts with Buddhism :/

On the Bible, everything is related to human time, days and nights, and so on, No such thing in Buddhism, that's how is easy to find when Dogen Zen is involved

See this, please, if you are interested, the Soto Zen school is compromised knowledge, doesn't respect the roots, but it's the most popular in the west, just exactly because there are terms and concepts that can be easily related by westerners. That doesn't mean those are correct..



After the death of Ejō, a controversy called the sandai sōron occurred. In 1267 Ejō retired as Abbot of Eihei-ji, giving way to Gikai, who was already favored by Dogen. Gikai too originally was a member of the Daruma school, but joined Dōgen's school in 1241, together with a group from the Nōnin school led by Ekan. Gikai introduced esoteric elements into the practice:




With the premature death of Dōgen the group lost its focus and internal conflicts led to a split. Dōgen's followers soon introduced such esoteric elements as prayers and incantations into the teaching.


and



Dōgen's memory has helped keep Eihei-ji financially secure, in good repair, and filled with monks and lay pilgrims who look to Dōgen for religious inspiration ... the Dōgen we remember is a constructed image, an image constructed in large measure to serve the sectarian agendas of Eihei-ji in its rivalry with Sōji-ji. We should remember that the Dōgen of the Shōbōgenzō, the Dōgen who is held up as a profound religious philosopher, is a fairly recent innovation in the history of Dōgen remembrances

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dt%C5%8D

If you are interested, you should avoid going directly to Japanese Zoto Zen, or at least, once you read and learn from it, then compare against Chinese, Indian and Russian Zen and Buddhism, so you can get a full view of it and don't be mislead

I don't believe in Zoto Zen by the way, i've seen how destructive it can be, after a while, for people who profoundly believe in it and get lost in contemplating themselves as something so special that they get arrogant and foolish, and end up becoming 'aware' of everyone else's faults but the ones they have. That' what happens when someone miscontructs or redefines concepts they were not allowed to do in the first place

I can't do anything just suggest, it is on your end in the end, but i hope and wish you well :flower:
I haven't followed or studied any of the Buddhism sects you mentioned. The Mahayana Buddhism, which is one of the main branch of Buddhism is what I've studied. Yes you're right, Buddhism in general does not teach the concept of soul or a self. So I was attempting to relate the 8th consciousness in a way that most Westerners are not familiar with the 8th consciousness. When we die, the 8th consciousness is what survives, it retains all of our past lives experiences; it is like a computer hard drive that survives between computer power up and power down cycles, so please don't take it literally.

Anyway, basically what I explained in my previous post is based on a lecture by my wife's sister who is ordained Buddhist master who have founded a respected monastery in Taiwan each year. Hundreds of people come from all over the world to practice Buddhist meditation at her monastery. She was taught by a famous Chinese Buddhist master, whose Dharma lineage can be traced back to the historical Guatama Buddha. I studied under a world famous Buddhist master, whose Dharma lineage can also be traced back to the historical Guatama Buddha. These two masters have attained enlightment for certain, and I trust that they would have complete understanding of our whole human experience, especially the reincarnation process. And the main thrust of my previous post describes the general case of most average unenlightened human experiences. It is a serious crime with heavy karmic retribution for a master to convey teaching that is incorrect or may harm the spiritual progress of others.

Also you are right in that this explanation is not found in any traditional written Budhism book, I believe it is based on the comprehensive understanding a master obtains through complete enlightenment. Weeks before my wife's sister's master passed away, he knew that he would be passing soon, so he prepared his disciples weeks in advance. My own master had a unique ability to teach Buddhism that is custom tailored to each person in the audience. In other words, each of us in the Dharma hall would hear what appears to each of us to be a speech custom tailored to the unique needs of each of us. Only a completely enlightened being can do this.

The explanation I described does not pertain to someone who is enlightened. An enlightened person would by pass the reincarnation process immediately upon passing and be in nirvana which is beyond the duality that most unenlightened people would experience through the Samsara process.

Mashika, what is your qualification for critiquing the various Buddhism sects you mentioned in your last post?

[I am B]

Uh, spiritual qualification... (?)

[Mashika]

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Since then I had read just a lot of things related into reincarnation and every doctrine, religion, mediums, etc.. have a different idea of it, what bugs me the most is that in Buddhism for example, it is said it takes about 49 days to the spirit reincarnate, during a period of 7 weeks process.. others mediums says it can take as long as it is necessary.. there is no agreement in between them.

Buddhism does not say it takes 7 weeks or 49 days to reincarnate. In Buddhism it is taught that the 8th consciousness commonly referred to as soul can take up to 7 weeks to reincarnate. The best chance for reincarnation is within the first week after passing. Within the first week, there will be at least 3 days for the soul to completely detach energetically from the physical body, so within 3 days of passing, it is best not to disturb the body. Then after this period the soul can travel at the speed of light to find a fetus to enter into based on strong karmic attraction/match.

If after the first week, the soul does not find a suitable infant, then it searches again the 2nd week trying to find a suitable fetus based on next best karmic attraction/match. It progresses through each week, trying to find a suitable fetus, and each subsequent week will be a weaker karmic attraction/match.

If after 7 weeks no suitable match is found, then the soul becomes a hungry ghost, wandering through our realms, always searching and never being satisfied. It can stay as hungry ghost hundreds of years or thousands of years if a benevolent spirit or being does not intervene to assist the hungry ghost to move onto the next realm.

My wife's close friend who she considered as her "Mom" passed away years ago, and after a week of passing, decided to stay around her vacant house. The deceased person willed the house to my wife, and the week after the funeral my wife went through the house to clean out the house, and my wife felt her presence strongly. Every morning, one of the bedroom lamp was always on when my wife went to clean the house, even though she was very certain that she had turned off the lamp every afternoon. After several days of this, we consulted a highly spiritual friend, who suggested that we Smudge the house by burning white sage. We performed smudging ceremonies for two days, and after 2nd day of smudging, the deceased friend's spirit was gone from the house. The deceased friend was very strong willed person, very possessive and very strongly attached to the house.

The 8th consciousness addresses the seeds remaining for your next iteration. The strongest experience links to yourself that can't be erased and survive the process or something like that

I don't remember it having anything to do with the actual mechanism of reencarnación. Much less specific time frames

Specially, buddhism doesn't have a 'soul' concept in the way christian religions do. There is no soul that gets 'reborn' into another body, there is energy, but not a single soul keeps an identity, this is hard to explain in short

Where did you learned this from? Do you have a reference to it, a book or website?

This is Zoto? Right? You should know that Zoto Zen, or Zoto Buddhism is incorrect in many ways, it was merged with western beliefs so that people would accept it and understand it easier, then it was never corrected to the actual eastern Buddhism teachings

That's actually bad, nothing in the core of Buddhism mentions that stuff about days and what happens in detail. Time, days, those are human concepts, disconnected from the outer energy realm. That's a mixture of Christian concepts with Buddhism :/

On the Bible, everything is related to human time, days and nights, and so on, No such thing in Buddhism, that's how is easy to find when Dogen Zen is involved

See this, please, if you are interested, the Soto Zen school is compromised knowledge, doesn't respect the roots, but it's the most popular in the west, just exactly because there are terms and concepts that can be easily related by westerners. That doesn't mean those are correct..



After the death of Ejō, a controversy called the sandai sōron occurred. In 1267 Ejō retired as Abbot of Eihei-ji, giving way to Gikai, who was already favored by Dogen. Gikai too originally was a member of the Daruma school, but joined Dōgen's school in 1241, together with a group from the Nōnin school led by Ekan. Gikai introduced esoteric elements into the practice:




With the premature death of Dōgen the group lost its focus and internal conflicts led to a split. Dōgen's followers soon introduced such esoteric elements as prayers and incantations into the teaching.


and



Dōgen's memory has helped keep Eihei-ji financially secure, in good repair, and filled with monks and lay pilgrims who look to Dōgen for religious inspiration ... the Dōgen we remember is a constructed image, an image constructed in large measure to serve the sectarian agendas of Eihei-ji in its rivalry with Sōji-ji. We should remember that the Dōgen of the Shōbōgenzō, the Dōgen who is held up as a profound religious philosopher, is a fairly recent innovation in the history of Dōgen remembrances

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dt%C5%8D

If you are interested, you should avoid going directly to Japanese Zoto Zen, or at least, once you read and learn from it, then compare against Chinese, Indian and Russian Zen and Buddhism, so you can get a full view of it and don't be mislead

I don't believe in Zoto Zen by the way, i've seen how destructive it can be, after a while, for people who profoundly believe in it and get lost in contemplating themselves as something so special that they get arrogant and foolish, and end up becoming 'aware' of everyone else's faults but the ones they have. That' what happens when someone miscontructs or redefines concepts they were not allowed to do in the first place

I can't do anything just suggest, it is on your end in the end, but i hope and wish you well :flower:
I haven't followed or studied any of the Buddhism sects you mentioned. The Mahayana Buddhism, which is one of the main branch of Buddhism is what I've studied. Yes you're right, Buddhism in general does not teach the concept of soul or a self. So I was attempting to relate the 8th consciousness in a way that most Westerners are not familiar with the 8th consciousness. When we die, the 8th consciousness is what survives, it retains all of our past lives experiences; it is like a computer hard drive that survives between computer power up and power down cycles, so please don't take it literally.

Anyway, basically what I explained in my previous post is based on a lecture by my wife's sister who is ordained Buddhist master who have founded a respected monastery in Taiwan each year. Hundreds of people come from all over the world to practice Buddhist meditation at her monastery. She was taught by a famous Chinese Buddhist master, whose Dharma lineage can be traced back to the historical Guatama Buddha. I studied under a world famous Buddhist master, whose Dharma lineage can also be traced back to the historical Guatama Buddha. These two masters have attained enlightment for certain, and I trust that they would have complete understanding of our whole human experience, especially the reincarnation process. And the main thrust of my previous post describes the general case of most average unenlightened human experiences. It is a serious crime with heavy karmic retribution for a master to convey teaching that is incorrect or may harm the spiritual progress of others.

Also you are right in that this explanation is not found in any traditional written Budhism book, I believe it is based on the comprehensive understanding a master obtains through complete enlightenment. Weeks before my wife's sister's master passed away, he knew that he would be passing soon, so he prepared his disciples weeks in advance. My own master had a unique ability to teach Buddhism that is custom tailored to each person in the audience. In other words, each of us in the Dharma hall would hear what appears to each of us to be a speech custom tailored to the unique needs of each of us. Only a completely enlightened being can do this.

The explanation I described does not pertain to someone who is enlightened. An enlightened person would by pass the reincarnation process immediately upon passing and be in nirvana which is beyond the duality that most unenlightened people would experience through the Samsara process.

Mashika, what is your qualification for critiquing the various Buddhism sects you mentioned in your last post?

My qualifications are not something i need to discuss, This is exactly what i said when i wrote this, about the danger of doing this exact thing



i've seen how destructive it can be, after a while, for people who profoundly believe in it and get lost in contemplating themselves as something so special that they get arrogant and foolish, and end up becoming 'aware' of everyone else's faults but the ones they have.


On pure Zen, words are meaningless, trying to find a lineage and show it and say "this is where i learned" can very easily turn into ego. So even if i could, i won't

But to explain in short, i started studying Buddhism when i turned 4, through games and talks and so on, then spent most of the past 20 years on it and on Zen for the most part of the past 7/8 years, i've seen, as i said before, how destructive it can get, when focusing on specific things, like which/how many books one has read, or who was the teacher and so on

In any case, like i said, specific time frames like that, do not belong in Zen or Buddhism, but are part of 'new age buddhism' which comes from a mixture of Soto Zen with other religions and beliefs

In the end, who cares except for what the words said. And the words also have to be thrown out once you read them, less you become a copy of your teacher's views and end at the beginning, once again

I don't know about Taiwan, but as i said, the days and weeks stuff is completely not part of Buddhism except for Soto Zen and 'new age' versions of it

Anyway, it's still good to compare, you were very sure that part is true, but it would probably have issues if looked more deeply into what it means and how it affects people's paths, but i don't feel like this was the meaning of this thread, and even if we were into that, i think you have your beliefs firmly set by now, and that's cool

Asking for my "qualifications" after you describe a lineage and how much important and respected the masters are and how a lot of people come from all over the word and so on? That's ego sorry, and also immediately say "I need to find a way to tell you i know something from someone higher in social status than you"

Completely turn off for any meaningful conversation :cocktail:


ETA:

Even if i were a Zen Master, (which i'm not) you would still not believe any words i said and try to explain things in a way that makes you come out on top in the end, it's so much like what i've always experienced in the westerns views. I'm not trying to offend you or criticize by the way, just pointing out that it's very common to see it like this.

But thanks for not mentioning age on this, or attempt to bring it up in a subtle way so as to say "what could you possibly know". Unless asking for qualifications also involves saying "i'm 40 and your not, so i know better"

In that case, i would propose this thought

For people who started learning later in life, they are usually asked to drop all they think they know, and start again so that the concepts can be understood correctly. So to prevent mixing up incompatible concepts and ending up with a mixed view of reality that ends up nowhere in the end, as much as it seems to be true all the time

So, if someone were to be 30, and start at that point, and at the same time someone is 4 and starts at that point, the 4 year old has a 26 year advantage over the 30 year old person..

And here's why, despite you studying Buddhism, you have not unlearned one important thing, that it's only you, and not your teacher, or the masters or anyone else.

Mentioning lineage like that, such a western thing to do. Just like saying, I studied at MIT, or Harvard.. where did you study?

There was no need to bring that up, spirituality is not a competition of who went to the best school, it doesnt matter in any possible, meaningful way. It just leads to soul destruction.. Contemplating one self as someone special or favored among others leads to soul destruction

[greybeard]

A zen master was asked by as student "What happens when you die master?"
Answer "I dont Know"
Student "But you are a master"
Answer "Yes --but Im not a dead master"

Think that sums it up.
So many opinions -- concepts

Nasargadatta Maharajh was clear -- get rid of all concepts -- thats not it.

A master dies and soon there are so many saying -- "This is what the enlightened one meant"
Standard advice be still, be quiet.
All the rest mind stuff --story telling.
At least non duality is not a religion, quite a few sages but no "church".
Chris

[Agape]

My mum shared this much with me and though it’s not very detailed experience it carried a special “truth stamp” within.
This happened two or three months before she passed away actually. Doctors had tried to force her Prednisone instead other medication she could not do with and she resented that so much she has decided to call it a quit.
She’s been through life long medical experiment, few transplantation sand in lots of pain.

But and despite that she was in very sweet and spiritual mode the years before leaving and excited about how far can we get with all the information we have already and piling. She spent some of her last eye sight on discovering the internet the way teenagers do it, I suppose.

She related a special dream experience where her subtle body levitated - ascended to the upper atmosphere and stayed suspended in meditative state.
She said it was all empty ( I laughed) and experience of profoundly deep state of mind and dissolution.

After some time though she said as if there were beings behind a space wall, talking to her in slow peaceful voice. There were many beings but only one voice.


She looked down and could see the Earth bellow as some kind of glass sphere.

She saw it needs to repair itself and is capable of doing so.


Then those beings/spirits ( allegedly, technologically equipped according to mum : 😅 but you all have heard those stories ) told her she will rejoin them at some point.

I know she has experienced sadness on leaving here ..



But is it truly possible that our subtle selves can levitate and ascend to the upper layers of stratosphere and stay there in state of recuperation, even suspended animation until they themselves decide about their future fate.

I just want to keep this Grace short 🙏🌟🙏


But feel free to imagine your own passage ...


🌟

[Ravenlocke]

Hello Rgray and fellow Avalonians,
I just wanted to check in again because Ive also have wanted to know for a long time what happens to us after death, and so in the nineties I started researching and collecting books on death and dying and reincarnation, etc. I amassed quite a number of books, but my favorite/ impressive ones are the following:

Old Souls by Tom Schroder ( all about Dr Ian Stevenson global research on children’s reincarnation memories)
Life Before Life by Helen Wambach
At The Hour of Death by Karlis Osis, PH.D, Erlendur Haraldsson, PH.D, introduction by Elizabeth Kubler Ross, MD
Life Between Life by Joel L Whitton, MD,PH.D and Joel Fisher
The Case for Reincarnation by Joel Fisher
The Mystery of Death & Dying, Initiation At The Moment of Death by Earlene Chaney
My Proof of Survival Personal accounts of Contact with the Hereafter compiled and edited by Andrew Honigman
A Soul’s Journey by Peter Richelieu

I also have many more books, PMH Atwater, Carol Bowman ( like her books on children’s memories of past lives collected from accounts in the US), Raymond Moody, etc..

The two Michael Newton books mentioned in this thread although informative they’re not enough for me, in the sense that something is missing or not expressed fully.
Also throughout my adult years I’ve had close relatives and friends come to me in my dreams to let me know they are leaving soon. My grandma and my mom both showed me beautiful places, when they came, my mom met me in an emerald forest, the green was so vibrantly beautiful, and she was young, beautiful, not old. Not something I like to admit, but it did influence my curiosity about death and the afterlife. My father’s long term heart disease, was another factor. My father did come to me as well and I understood what he showed me...
As to past life recall with my father which only happened a few years before he passed. It helped me understand why he was the way he was with me in this life, why he was so stubborn with some of his opinions, beliefs and perceptions. It wasn’t easy... but when he needed help I was always there for him.
These days I’m more concerned with time is running short. I hope I can finish or accomplish what I came here to do in this life because I don’t think I want to come here again. Among other things I love to create..I love to paint and embroider and cook, but mostly I would like to visit the Redwoods, the Grand Canyon again some day soon, and the Hopi mesas, and see the Sleeping warrior mountain again.
As my father once told me I was always different, more than he knew as well. As a child I hated that I couldn’t speak with my mind, that we had to use cars because as I put it we couldn’t teleport, we had t invented it yet..and mostly that I couldn’t do “magic” as in fairytales. To me the word animal is degrading to the intelligent beings, Creatures is better. They love us so much and can help us so much...if we let them...my opinion.
Now I find solace in books like “To Hear the Angels Sing” by Dorothy Maclean and “Nature Spirits” by Rudolph Steiner.
Love and Goodwill to you all. R

[Agape]

According to one of our Zen Buddhist friends,
there are two ways ..the Way of Life
and the Way of Death.

He’s actually coined it “the Love of Life” and “love of Death”.

If you live long you realize we love both,
suppose they’re right on time.

The best nights deep sleep is like “small death”, forgetting the world completely we wake up new and refreshed, even repaired.
Wonder if many of us had the ability to sleep deeply in our youth but lost it with years of stress and overwork or long studies :)

Deep meditation too is like small death state when everything possible and impossible dissolves , for time being.

If you slow the process down and keep walking “out” from this life towards the Gate of another world

you may notice the way is long and landscapes are changing


You may notice shadowy figures
and scenes of your best memories
trying to meet you on the way
and stop you from proceeding


What happens at the time we arrive at the gate
no one knows but sure there is security check for ordinary citizens.

Where you proceed depends on the path you have chosen


My “religion” is Life , there is much more Life out there in the Universe than we can currently describe or understand.

We are Life, we are Intelligent Sequence

We are the chain of causes of consequences

We create.

We are an intent, and path to accomplishment

No matter how long it takes

We will get there


We are Einstein-Bose condensate, read plasma blobs.


Shedding this human vessel
is not unlike snake shedding it’s skin.

It’s a vulnerable process and time for the soul.


It’s good to choose safe and peaceful environments for that time..


Many people do not pay the right amount of attention to their transition ...



The next world is not yet ready they say , they’re vacuuming sofa ..


🦠 🚿😅 oh no

[pueblo]

According to one of our Zen Buddhist friends,
there are two ways ..the Way of Life
and the Way of Death.

He’s actually coined it “the Love of Life” and “love of Death”.

If you live long you realize we love both,
suppose they’re right on time.

The best nights deep sleep is like “small death”, forgetting the world completely we wake up new and refreshed, even repaired.
Wonder if many of us had the ability to sleep deeply in our youth but lost it with years of stress and overwork or long studies :)

Deep meditation too is like small death state when everything possible and impossible dissolves , for time being.

If you slow the process down and keep walking “out” from this life towards the Gate of another world

you may notice the way is long and landscapes are changing


You may notice shadowy figures
and scenes of your best memories
trying to meet you on the way
and stop you from proceeding


What happens at the time we arrive at the gate
no one knows but sure there is security check for ordinary citizens.

Where you proceed depends on the path you have chosen


My “religion” is Life , there is much more Life out there in the Universe than we can currently describe or understand.

We are Life, we are Intelligent Sequence

We are the chain of causes of consequences

We create.

We are an intent, and path to accomplishment

No matter how long it takes

We will get there


We are Einstein-Bose condensate, read plasma blobs.


Shedding this human vessel
is not unlike snake shedding it’s skin.

It’s a vulnerable process and time for the soul.


It’s good to choose safe and peaceful environments for that time..


Many people do not pay the right amount of attention to their transition ...



The next world is not yet ready they say , they’re vacuuming sofa ..


🦠 🚿😅 oh no

Small death, la petite mort?


La petite mort (French pronunciation: ​[la pətit mɔʁ], the little death) is an expression which means "the brief loss or weakening of consciousness" and in modern usage refers specifically to "the sensation of post orgasm as likened to death."[1]

The first attested use of the expression in English was in 1572 with the meaning of "fainting fit." It later came to mean "nervous spasm" as well. The first attested use with the meaning of "orgasm" was in 1882.[1] In modern usage, this term has generally been interpreted to describe the post-orgasmic state of unconsciousness that some people have after having some sexual experiences.

More widely, it can refer to the spiritual release that comes with orgasm or to a short period of melancholy or transcendence as a result of the expenditure of the "life force." Literary critic Roland Barthes spoke of la petite mort as the chief objective of reading literature, the feeling one should get when experiencing any great literature.

The term "la petite mort" does not always apply to sexual experiences. It can also be used when some undesired thing has happened to a person and has affected them so much that "a part of them dies inside." A literary example of this is found in Thomas Hardy's Tess of the D'Urbervilles when he uses the phrase to describe how Tess feels after she comes across a particularly gruesome omen after meeting with her own rapist:

She felt the petite mort at this unexpectedly gruesome information, and left the solitary man behind her.

The term "little death," a direct translation of la petite mort, can also be used in English to essentially the same effect. Specifically, it is defined as "a state or event resembling or prefiguring death; a weakening or loss of consciousness, specifically in sleep or during an orgasm,"[2] a nearly identical definition to that of the original French. As with "la petite mort," the earlier attested uses are not related to sex or orgasm.

- Wikipedia

[WhiteFeather]

Delores Cannon (Deceased but may of returned to us again) had some great stuff on this topic. It's in some of her books, I believe The Convoluted Universe series. I'm sure there are many videos on you tube also.

This could be one of them.
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