Men, ejaculating is the single biggest handicap you can give yourself in the game of life

[waxamillionpehhgasus]

Kind of a sticky subject (pun absolutely intended) but someone needs to talk about it. For the record, I’m in my mid-20s and quite the looker. That sounds egotistical, but it must be said - because no one cares about sex advice from someone who can’t get laid.

This post is going to be aggressive and in your face. It needs to be - because currently, there is a 99.9% chance that you are an ADDICT. There’s nothing wrong with being an addict. I used to be one, too. The issues arise when addicts don’t think they’re addicted. If you ejaculate all of the time and don’t think there’s an issue with it, you fall into that category. I’d rather ruffle some feathers than fail to get my point across.

Let us proceed. Men, everything you have been told about ejaculation for your entire life is a big, fat, disgusting LIE. For the past four months, I have been completely celibate - no masturbation, no sex, nothing. Sexual thoughts have entered my mind, but I’ve made every possible effort to transmute them into something more productive...

And I have ascended. My mental acuity is as sharp as a katana. My charisma is off the charts. Both men and women are in absolute awe when I am in their presence. Anxiety does not exist for me. Stress does not exist for me. I never feel awkward. My foundation is as solid as an ancient mountain. This is not an exaggeration. I am playing a different game from all of the other men I see in my day to day. I never see another man who is on my level. EVER! They try to fake it, but it’s clear as day that they’re lying to themselves and others when they’re faced with the real thing. Once again, this may sound egotistical, but I need to clearly tell you about the benefits.

Speaking of, let’s talk about physical benefits. I have never been in better shape… even when I was a gym rat. About a week into celibacy, my body just started sculpting itself. I barely even exercised at the time. Seriously, I did like 15 burpees one day and the muscle gains I acquired were staggering. I was honestly in shock.

Energy levels? Off the charts. I’m never tired like you are. Guess what? I don’t even drink caffeine anymore. That’s just how much energy I have. I need very little sleep. And my skin complexion is nothing short of brilliant. Most men look sullen, weak, and dead inside. Not me! (Feel free to chalk this up to my age - then go ahead and look around at the other mid-20s “men” you see walking around. They’re not like this.)

Onto the specifics we go. Most consider sperm to be a waste fluid that needs to be released every day, or at least every week. This is patently false. Consider the nature of sperm. You ejaculate and a human life is literally created. How is that a waste product? Do you think fluid that literally CREATES LIFE... is easy to generate?

No. IT’S NOT. You are exhausting yourself by ejaculating to an absurd degree. You simply do not notice how exhausted you are... because you have been doing it for your entire life! In other words, you’ve adjusted. But you can’t really adjust to something like that, just like a heroin addict cannot truly adjust to injecting heroin. Perhaps he can become functional, but he’ll always be a shell of his true potential.

Consider the effects that pregnancy has on a woman. Nine months. Very draining, or so I’ve heard. Do you really think that the male does not have to put in some sort of equivalent effort as the female does? That the man just gets a free pass? Absolutely not. How does that make any sense? Like the woman, you sacrifice a part of yourself to create a new life. The woman does it over the span of nine months… you do it when you ejaculate and when you regenerate your sperm after the fact.

“Hold your horses, buddy. When I don’t ejaculate for more than a couple days, I feel on edge and aggressive. I’m too horny to function. I don’t sleep well. Maybe it worked for you, but I’m different. I need to ejaculate constantly to feel healthy.”

No, you don’t. You’re simply addicted to ejaculating. More than that, you’re addicted to sexual arousal. You’re just like a cigarette smoker. The smoker doesn’t understand how non-smokers can get through the day without a cigarette. Even more hilariously, smokers think their addiction benefits them - that it’s “worth it”. You are just like them. To the outsider, the smoker looks foolish. To me, you look foolish for ejaculating all of the time. Fool! I apologize for being so obtuse, but someone needs to drive this point home!

(Did you know? The only animals that masturbate are low-status monkeys in captivity. Say hello to your brethren!)

The truth is, you are currently addicted to sexual arousal, just like the smoker is addicted to the cigarette. When a woman walks by, you stare like a creep. What happens then? Well, you think you’re going to have sex! But you’re not. So the sexual frustration just builds. And it keeps building, because you keep thinking about sex, just like a smoker keeps thinking about a cigarette.

What happens then? Eventually, you drive yourself insane, just like the smoker who keeps thinking about cigarettes without getting his fix. Then, you do in fact need a release, just like the smoker needs a cigarette.

But the release itself is not intrinsically necessary, just like the cigarette is not intrinsically necessary! You have simply convinced yourself that it is necessary by forming an addiction - one that likely began when you were a teenager, or maybe even 11 or 12 years of age, before you had a f***ing clue what you were doing in the game of life.

In other words, up until this very moment, as far as ejaculation goes, you have played yourself. You have a habit of expending your single biggest source of life force energy… for literally no reason, other than the fact that you’re addicted to it.

Now, this does not mean that you can never have sex again. I plan to try tantric sex at some point in the future with a worthy partner. But masturbation? Give me a break. NO. Never again. Neither should you. Unless you want to expend life force energy for absolutely no reason and give yourself a major handicap in the game of life. You are better off getting completely inebriated from an assortment of different drugs. (I’m harping on masturbation in particular because I don’t expect people to make the jump to full-blown celibacy right away.)

I can now INSTANTLY tell when a man masturbates. It’s so obvious - the ways their eyes shift around, the weakness of their gait, their timidness, their awkwardness, their lack of self-confidence. And you know what? SO CAN WOMEN. They have built-in sensors and can pick up what you’re putting out from a mile away. I would sometimes get glances from women in the past, but many would seem to look at me in disgust, which didn’t make much sense due to my looks. Now I get it. They know. I promise you, they know. They don’t know how they know, but they do. And they automatically treat you differently if you’re one of the ejaculators.

Let me be perfectly clear. Men, whether or not you ejaculate takes all priority in the social dynamics of human existence. Chronic ejaculators get NO respect from EITHER sex.

Now for some good news. 99.99% of men in today’s society are chronic masturbators, to the tune of at LEAST once per week. By stopping this degenerate practice, you are going to gain a MAJOR EDGE in the game of life. You are going to be literally shocked at how quickly your life improves and how differently people start treating you. And that’s not even including the extra energy, strength, stamina, health benefits, etc. that you will receive. (If you are already doing pretty well for yourself... I can assure you, you haven't even begun to peak!)

But it takes more than simply not touching your dick or having casual sex. You need to also purify your mind. Or else you are going to drive yourself insane and eventually “relapse”.

How do you purify your mind? You need to transmute your sexual energy. Yoga, meditation, exercise, creative outlets - anything! When you get a sexual thought, take a deep breath and imagine the energy flowing from your lowest chakra straight to your crown chakra. You can literally feel the energy travel up your spine. Don’t repress sexuality - simply move the energy around your body, HARNESS IT, and become the person who you always wanted to be with almost no effort at all. Life becomes very easy when you are not constantly exhausting yourself for a spurt of pleasure that lasts for three damn seconds.

I’m going to stop here - either I’ve piqued your curiosity or I haven’t. If I have, I will link to three resources below. If you read these three resources, or even a portion of one of them, you will never look at ejaculation in the same way ever again. In fact, you will look back and wonder how on earth you spent such a significant portion of your life needlessly expending life force energy for absolutely no reason at all. Count on it!

The Coiled Serpent (http://library.lol/main/34AB160DFA058A670224008712F47D2A) - download file and go to fviewer.com/view-epub to read it

The Practice of Brahmacharya (http://library.lol/main/31F0C62B401E5694E9B2BB807EB7286D) - download file and go to fviewer.com/view-epub to read it

A Treatise on the Diseases Produced By Onanism, Masturbation, Self-Pollution, and other excesses (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54713/54713-h/54713-h.htm#Diseases_resulting_from_venereal_excesses) - this was written about a century ago and as such is somewhat hard to read, but it’s a gem

P.S. No hate towards smokers - I was a nicotine addict for eight years (half+ pack per day / 1+ pod per day). I was easily able to become completely sober - I even quit caffeine! - once I stopped ejaculating. The benefits you will receive from not doing this single activity far outweigh any temporary pleasure you get from it. Once you get a grip on your masturbation habits, you will want to look into tantric sex - or just realize that there is a whole freaking lot more worth living for than fleeting sexual pleasure.

P.P.S. I have NO IDEA what is to be said about masturbation/sex for women - this thread is aimed exclusively at men.

P.P.P.S. If you are so confident in your masturbation habits, why are you so ashamed of them? Would you brag about how many times you masturbated each week to a member of the opposite sex? Would you make a post on Facebook detailing your masturbation habits? Of course not! Because deep down, you’re ashamed. Okay… now I’m done. God bless this wonderful forum where I have learned so much.

[AutumnW]

All I can say is I am super happy I am not a man. It must be very difficult.

[Strat]

All I can say is I am super happy I am not a man. It must be very difficult.

lol You are now my favorite member here.

FWIW, people are accepted here. Nobody will bite you, drop the act.

[TargeT]

FWIW... I'm 41... don't worry...... these distractions fade (along with your health)




or just realize that there is a whole freaking lot more worth living for than fleeting sexual pleasure.

This is a part of the cycle of life... Older more affluent men don't generally have children... the insane drive of male youth is meant to continue the population... My daughter was conceived when I was 19... I've had zero children since then.


I love the passion you have on this topic (realize it's re-directed energy...) but learning to harness that and not demonize very natural processes is important as well... ;)

[AutumnW]

All I can say is I am super happy I am not a man. It must be very difficult.

lol You are now my favorite member here.

FWIW, people are accepted here. Nobody will bite you, drop the act.

Strat, are you referring to me to drop my act or are you addressing somebody else?? :(:flower:

My brother described to me just how strong his sex drive was when he was in his late teens and early twenties. It sounds terrible. I mean, like you're kind of possessed. I would hate that.

[Strat]

All I can say is I am super happy I am not a man. It must be very difficult.

lol You are now my favorite member here.

FWIW, people are accepted here. Nobody will bite you, drop the act.

Strat, are you referring to me to drop my act or are you addressing somebody else?? :(:flower:

My brother described to me just how strong his sex drive was when he was in his late teens and early twenties. It sounds terrible. I mean, like you're kind of possessed. I would hate that.

Sorry, and I think I misread you. Thought you were making a joke. 2nd time I've caused confusion because I wasn't clear.

My 'drop the act' was directed to OP. It's hard for me to take him seriously with the self aggrandizing. I think this is often a result of being overly self conscious. Over compensating kinda thing.

[AutumnW]

Oh good, Strat. I figured that must be the case.

I was serious about that feeling young men must have of being possessed and that I would have hated that. Hard enough being a woman that age. Damn.

[greybeard]

If I remember correctly --females and males most "productive/fertile, high sperm count" age 14.
That possibly came about when life expectancy was less than half what it is now.
I would say I was addicted at that age but a virgin till I was 19.
It was difficult, strong urge but conditioned-- if a girl was good enough to make love to she was good enough to marry.
Not that easy to get condoms -- no other form of birth control.
First son age 19.
Married then
Chris

[Nasu]

This topic has been around for a while now, since the Vedas, but it's good that you have discovered it's power. Welcome to the forum....x.... N

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[Gracy]

And I have ascended. My mental acuity is as sharp as a katana. My charisma is off the charts. Both men and women are in absolute awe when I am in their presence. Anxiety does not exist for me. Stress does not exist for me. I never feel awkward. My foundation is as solid as an ancient mountain. This is not an exaggeration. I am playing a different game from all of the other men I see in my day to day. I never see another man who is on my level. EVER! They try to fake it, but it’s clear as day that they’re lying to themselves and others when they’re faced with the real thing.

Wow, that's quite something! Maybe you could make a video or something to demonstrate your magnificence? I think it's important, especially for the men here, to see what ascension looks and acts like.

Something to strive for. :thumbsup:

[I am B]

Idk about jerking off, but without the magnificence, I can personally say that, according to my own experience, porn is addictive in the worse way possible, and that avoiding it improves your life incredibly.

Besides from the obvious moral matters involved with the production of it, which are not little at all, porn really tweaks your subconcious in a wicked way, specially now, being as easy as it is to consume it.

Maybe because of some natural reaction, or just because the regular porn channels (that we all know) are but another tool of social control (probably).

I stopped using porn 2-3 years ago, something that resulted to be harder than i thought it'd be. And it made my love life better in and out of bed, my mind clearer and happier, and my conciousness cleaner.

Try it guys, turn the phone and pc off for that kind of things for a month or so. It really changes stuff, a lot.

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[Hermoor]

Maybe you could make a video or something to demonstrate your magnificence?

I wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in watching it. The ego is still big in that one. So he's got terribly lost and confused somewhere.

[Agape]

It’s easy to recommend good things when you are young and smart :)

“This topic has been around since the times of Vedas” (Nasu )

Celibacy is wonderful status for smart individuals but it does have psychological side effects in long run, give it 20 more years to understand how it works.
One of the most common side effects with celibates is becoming self-control freaks which eventually translates “control freaks” to those who are around.

Believe me since I was celibate for most of my life with exception of about two boyfriends, period. And it wasn’t “out of necessity” but purely by personal choice and life circumstances - as a spiritual entity I don’t feel the need and life did not send me the advanced counterparts if I hoped for it. As a child I felt quite disgusted on finding “how humans do it” and thought I don’t want to do it the same way.
I still look upon it as some kind of animal act in common humans that repels me.

But there are many advanced ways to experience yourself and the sacred when the time comes and none of them involves the physical or imaginations of,
not human energies even as human minds tend to be attracted to the physical side of it the most.

Back to “control freaks”, unfortunately it’s the side I’ve seen in many committed celibates the most. People become obsessed with their own version of perfectionism, sometimes diets and health, their studies or basically anything on the “next level”.

That’s not a deterrent, more like something to be cautious about.

It may be that every kind of tight control - including food control- is ultimately unnatural in healthy individuals that is those who did not lose controls in the first place.
Fertility is part of natural cycle so we experience it in various forms through out life whether we like it or not.
The same way female menstruation is difficult to stop ( and not quite advisable to do so) unless you’re very well trained yogi of sorts,
it’s also just normal to experience orgasms and the rest for humans, anytime and anywhere. You’re right, humans aren’t much better in that respect than say bonobos.

If society wasn’t restrictive we could all sustain hugs and caresses everyday and our health would be better for it.


Maintaining celibacy with hope that you will find the right partner or will be even more attractive to women does not work in long run either.

The chance is that most open minded females will feel uncomfortable in your presence and won’t give it a chance.

As I’ve said already, any sort of “extreme attitude” is bound to hurt healthy relationships to others, so is loss of self-control but so is the ability to “let go”.

People who can’t just “let go” reach certain level on their spiritual path but can’t jump to the next because the next one is all about letting go and renouncing controlled behaviours and patterns. That’s after you’ve actually renounced violence and sexual predatory, getting rid of those pesky control patterns and moralising attitudes is important on the larger Way to Light.


Good luck for now and keep us updated 🙏😀🙏

[Elainie]

Kind of a sticky subject (pun absolutely intended) but someone needs to talk about it. For the record, I’m in my mid-20s and quite the looker. That sounds egotistical, but it must be said - because no one cares about sex advice from someone who can’t get laid.

This post is going to be aggressive and in your face. It needs to be - because currently, there is a 99.9% chance that you are an ADDICT. There’s nothing wrong with being an addict. I used to be one, too. The issues arise when addicts don’t think they’re addicted. If you ejaculate all of the time and don’t think there’s an issue with it, you fall into that category. I’d rather ruffle some feathers than fail to get my point across.

Let us proceed. Men, everything you have been told about ejaculation for your entire life is a big, fat, disgusting LIE. For the past four months, I have been completely celibate - no masturbation, no sex, nothing. Sexual thoughts have entered my mind, but I’ve made every possible effort to transmute them into something more productive...

And I have ascended. My mental acuity is as sharp as a katana. My charisma is off the charts. Both men and women are in absolute awe when I am in their presence. Anxiety does not exist for me. Stress does not exist for me. I never feel awkward. My foundation is as solid as an ancient mountain. This is not an exaggeration. I am playing a different game from all of the other men I see in my day to day. I never see another man who is on my level. EVER! They try to fake it, but it’s clear as day that they’re lying to themselves and others when they’re faced with the real thing. Once again, this may sound egotistical, but I need to clearly tell you about the benefits.

Speaking of, let’s talk about physical benefits. I have never been in better shape… even when I was a gym rat. About a week into celibacy, my body just started sculpting itself. I barely even exercised at the time. Seriously, I did like 15 burpees one day and the muscle gains I acquired were staggering. I was honestly in shock.

Energy levels? Off the charts. I’m never tired like you are. Guess what? I don’t even drink caffeine anymore. That’s just how much energy I have. I need very little sleep. And my skin complexion is nothing short of brilliant. Most men look sullen, weak, and dead inside. Not me! (Feel free to chalk this up to my age - then go ahead and look around at the other mid-20s “men” you see walking around. They’re not like this.)

Onto the specifics we go. Most consider sperm to be a waste fluid that needs to be released every day, or at least every week. This is patently false. Consider the nature of sperm. You ejaculate and a human life is literally created. How is that a waste product? Do you think fluid that literally CREATES LIFE... is easy to generate?

No. IT’S NOT. You are exhausting yourself by ejaculating to an absurd degree. You simply do not notice how exhausted you are... because you have been doing it for your entire life! In other words, you’ve adjusted. But you can’t really adjust to something like that, just like a heroin addict cannot truly adjust to injecting heroin. Perhaps he can become functional, but he’ll always be a shell of his true potential.

Consider the effects that pregnancy has on a woman. Nine months. Very draining, or so I’ve heard. Do you really think that the male does not have to put in some sort of equivalent effort as the female does? That the man just gets a free pass? Absolutely not. How does that make any sense? Like the woman, you sacrifice a part of yourself to create a new life. The woman does it over the span of nine months… you do it when you ejaculate and when you regenerate your sperm after the fact.

“Hold your horses, buddy. When I don’t ejaculate for more than a couple days, I feel on edge and aggressive. I’m too horny to function. I don’t sleep well. Maybe it worked for you, but I’m different. I need to ejaculate constantly to feel healthy.”

No, you don’t. You’re simply addicted to ejaculating. More than that, you’re addicted to sexual arousal. You’re just like a cigarette smoker. The smoker doesn’t understand how non-smokers can get through the day without a cigarette. Even more hilariously, smokers think their addiction benefits them - that it’s “worth it”. You are just like them. To the outsider, the smoker looks foolish. To me, you look foolish for ejaculating all of the time. Fool! I apologize for being so obtuse, but someone needs to drive this point home!

(Did you know? The only animals that masturbate are low-status monkeys in captivity. Say hello to your brethren!)

The truth is, you are currently addicted to sexual arousal, just like the smoker is addicted to the cigarette. When a woman walks by, you stare like a creep. What happens then? Well, you think you’re going to have sex! But you’re not. So the sexual frustration just builds. And it keeps building, because you keep thinking about sex, just like a smoker keeps thinking about a cigarette.

What happens then? Eventually, you drive yourself insane, just like the smoker who keeps thinking about cigarettes without getting his fix. Then, you do in fact need a release, just like the smoker needs a cigarette.

But the release itself is not intrinsically necessary, just like the cigarette is not intrinsically necessary! You have simply convinced yourself that it is necessary by forming an addiction - one that likely began when you were a teenager, or maybe even 11 or 12 years of age, before you had a f***ing clue what you were doing in the game of life.

In other words, up until this very moment, as far as ejaculation goes, you have played yourself. You have a habit of expending your single biggest source of life force energy… for literally no reason, other than the fact that you’re addicted to it.

Now, this does not mean that you can never have sex again. I plan to try tantric sex at some point in the future with a worthy partner. But masturbation? Give me a break. NO. Never again. Neither should you. Unless you want to expend life force energy for absolutely no reason and give yourself a major handicap in the game of life. You are better off getting completely inebriated from an assortment of different drugs. (I’m harping on masturbation in particular because I don’t expect people to make the jump to full-blown celibacy right away.)

I can now INSTANTLY tell when a man masturbates. It’s so obvious - the ways their eyes shift around, the weakness of their gait, their timidness, their awkwardness, their lack of self-confidence. And you know what? SO CAN WOMEN. They have built-in sensors and can pick up what you’re putting out from a mile away. I would sometimes get glances from women in the past, but many would seem to look at me in disgust, which didn’t make much sense due to my looks. Now I get it. They know. I promise you, they know. They don’t know how they know, but they do. And they automatically treat you differently if you’re one of the ejaculators.

Let me be perfectly clear. Men, whether or not you ejaculate takes all priority in the social dynamics of human existence. Chronic ejaculators get NO respect from EITHER sex.

Now for some good news. 99.99% of men in today’s society are chronic masturbators, to the tune of at LEAST once per week. By stopping this degenerate practice, you are going to gain a MAJOR EDGE in the game of life. You are going to be literally shocked at how quickly your life improves and how differently people start treating you. And that’s not even including the extra energy, strength, stamina, health benefits, etc. that you will receive. (If you are already doing pretty well for yourself... I can assure you, you haven't even begun to peak!)

But it takes more than simply not touching your dick or having casual sex. You need to also purify your mind. Or else you are going to drive yourself insane and eventually “relapse”.

How do you purify your mind? You need to transmute your sexual energy. Yoga, meditation, exercise, creative outlets - anything! When you get a sexual thought, take a deep breath and imagine the energy flowing from your lowest chakra straight to your crown chakra. You can literally feel the energy travel up your spine. Don’t repress sexuality - simply move the energy around your body, HARNESS IT, and become the person who you always wanted to be with almost no effort at all. Life becomes very easy when you are not constantly exhausting yourself for a spurt of pleasure that lasts for three damn seconds.

I’m going to stop here - either I’ve piqued your curiosity or I haven’t. If I have, I will link to three resources below. If you read these three resources, or even a portion of one of them, you will never look at ejaculation in the same way ever again. In fact, you will look back and wonder how on earth you spent such a significant portion of your life needlessly expending life force energy for absolutely no reason at all. Count on it!

The Coiled Serpent (http://library.lol/main/34AB160DFA058A670224008712F47D2A) - download file and go to fviewer.com/view-epub to read it

The Practice of Brahmacharya (http://library.lol/main/31F0C62B401E5694E9B2BB807EB7286D) - download file and go to fviewer.com/view-epub to read it

A Treatise on the Diseases Produced By Onanism, Masturbation, Self-Pollution, and other excesses (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54713/54713-h/54713-h.htm#Diseases_resulting_from_venereal_excesses) - this was written about a century ago and as such is somewhat hard to read, but it’s a gem

P.S. No hate towards smokers - I was a nicotine addict for eight years (half+ pack per day / 1+ pod per day). I was easily able to become completely sober - I even quit caffeine! - once I stopped ejaculating. The benefits you will receive from not doing this single activity far outweigh any temporary pleasure you get from it. Once you get a grip on your masturbation habits, you will want to look into tantric sex - or just realize that there is a whole freaking lot more worth living for than fleeting sexual pleasure.

P.P.S. I have NO IDEA what is to be said about masturbation/sex for women - this thread is aimed exclusively at men.

P.P.P.S. If you are so confident in your masturbation habits, why are you so ashamed of them? Would you brag about how many times you masturbated each week to a member of the opposite sex? Would you make a post on Facebook detailing your masturbation habits? Of course not! Because deep down, you’re ashamed. Okay… now I’m done. God bless this wonderful forum where I have learned so much.



I agree with some of this but I've been into Taoist techniques (student of Mantak Chia's first wife) and tantra for many years...............porn ruins the minds of men. The younger generation is ruined from porn. Even some of the older one's, I had a 46 year old ex BF who was a porn and masturbation addict, did it five times a day. You can lead a horse to water............all the masculinity going into a tissue, they don't realize the effect on all body systems in the process, hormones, brain etc
If you want to remain celibate that's up to you but learning to make love and not ejaculate is a whole other ballgame, you injaculate. Perhaps look into those techniques.

[roguemoon]

this is the most embarrassing transcript from the UK book reading programme Jackanory i have ever read.

(in short, what a load of crap)

[Mecklenburger]

I receive almost daily from Germany an alternative medicine broadsheet "Taeglich Gesund".
I am advised by them that for a person of my age (77) I should masturbate once per week as a preventive measure against prostate problems. Since this is a medical necessity, I can finally dispense with certain feelings of guilt which nagged at me since I was caught masturbating by my mother in my early teens.
Incidentally excessive masturbation is warned against in Yoga manuals on account of the loss of zinc from the body.

[Open Minded Dude]

There are two topics I think that should be discussed each one apart.

The one is masturbation in general. I've heard often that the occasional jerk-off even in older age is 'needed' for your prostate to prevent cancer or other problems. Otherwise I also see more benefits in staying abstinent for longer periods of time at least. It's hard though (pun intended).

The other is addiction to porn while doing the daily/weekly fapping session, the visual type but it might also influence the just imagined type of your inner mental 'cinema'. This addiction is certainly harmful in the long run for men and women.

We should not forget that in our younger years it is hormonally and biologically determined to be constantly 'horny' and look for sexual mates. If 'shy' people don't find a mate, well then it is an act of 'self-defence' quite literally. Lustfulness has its reasons and we should not deny it. Forced celibacy due to being single might have physiological (see above) and psychological problems, especially in young males.

[Mike]

What's the point of all that charisma if you can't use it to get laid? That's the whole point of charisma, isn't it?

As another poster pointed out, obsession dies over time and is replaced by a kind of grounded wisdom. Being a young man really is a kind of torture. Back then, I walked around in a horny stupor most of the time. When you're that young, you really are overwhelmed by the same biological program a lusty wild lion is that just roams the plains and indiscriminately mounts stuff. You almost ,literally, can't help it.

I don't know how it will be as I get older, but I like where I'm at now. Still a card carrying pervert but much more under control.

There's a balance in this type of stuff that needs to be achieved, imo, just like in any other area of life. Take it from Mr Miagi, he knows:
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[happyuk]

This topic has been around for a while now, since the Vedas, but it's good that you have discovered it's power. Welcome to the forum....x.... N

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I love that quote about "foreign substances introduced into our bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, certainly without any choice, that's the way yer hard core commie works" is almost prophetic given what is going on right now.

It's absolutely true that over-indulgence and over-loss of the "vital essence" leads to the profound sense of fatigue and emptiness afterwards.

I think this an important and much misunderstood topic. The ancient Taoist semen retention techniques (or what the Roman Catholic might call coitus reservatus) do not advocate total abstinence, in fact they say one may indulge frequently and for lengthy periods but one must not emit every time, which would lead to loss of vitality, particularly in the winter months. The technique to prevent ejaculation is to tightly squeeze the pelvic floor muscles, as though to prevent you doing you-know-what, and apply pressure to the perineum, this has to be done before the point of no return obviously.

[DeDukshyn]

There are two topics I think that should be discussed each one apart.

The one is masturbation in general. I've heard often that the occasional jerk-off even in older age is 'needed' for your prostate to prevent cancer or other problems. Otherwise I also see more benefits in staying abstinent for longer periods of time at least. It's hard though (pun intended).

The other is addiction to porn while doing the daily/weekly fapping session, the visual type but it might also influence the just imagined type of your inner mental 'cinema'. This addiction is certainly harmful in the long run for men and women.

We should not forget that in our younger years it is hormonally and biologically determined to be constantly 'horny' and look for sexual mates. If 'shy' people don't find a mate, well then it is an act of 'self-defence' quite literally. Lustfulness has its reasons and we should not deny it. Forced celibacy due to being single might have physiological (see above) and psychological problems, especially in young males.

Yes - there is a lot of strong evidence that ejaculation is very good for your prostate (helps to stave off prostatitis and cancer) - keeps it functioning, gives it a reason to function, else it's not doing much. But ... the research also did indicate that the "occasional jerk off" did not seem to have the same benefit as actually being sexually active, for what reason, it was not determined.

Addiction of any type is a bit of a mental disorder, and causes issues and complications on their own even outside of the things that one might find themself addicted to. Addictions of all types should be actively avoided.

Young men (and certainly some women) cannot just shut off their "horniness" - it actually can be like being possessed, it can invade every minute, constantly distract you, make you act out inappropriately, etc. Sexual energy is a form of creative energy, if one can learn to harness and direct that energy, one can do amazing things with it. Have you ever noticed that many of the worlds best artists (of any genres) also tend to be highly sexually charged people?

The main problem is that we are never taught how to direct this energy for anything else. The people that seek to gain from us and see us as their cattle seek to use our sexual energy for their gain, and it works very well - always has. We see it in our advertising everywhere to direct our purchasing habits, and it works. But that energy is ours to use to our advantage, not for others to use, if only we could learn and practice to divert it into creative constructive endeavours - harness that energy as creative energy can allow one to do great things.

[onawah]

I was kind of hoping you would do a spin-off thread on this one like the one you did with the "I am the True Satan" thread, Mike.
Plenty of latitude with this subject, I would imagine, and more potential for hilarity than anything Bill Maher ever did...
But, as always ...:focus:


What's the point of all that charisma if you can't use it to get laid? That's the whole point of charisma, isn't it?

As another poster pointed out, obsession dies over time and is replaced by a kind of grounded wisdom. Being a young man really is a kind of torture. Back then, I walked around in a horny stupor most of the time. When you're that young, you really are overwhelmed by the same biological program a lusty wild lion is that just roams the plains and indiscriminately mounts stuff. You almost ,literally, can't help it.

I don't know how it will be as I get older, but I like where I'm at now. Still a card carrying pervert but much more under control.

There's a balance in this type of stuff that needs to be achieved, imo, just like in any other area of life. Take it from Mr Miagi, he knows:

[Samson]

In the game of life, masturbating is the single biggest stress release. Its harmless, free and divine.
Every man can as often as he likes ...ejaculate. But how long can you masturbate without ejaculating?
Thats where it gets interesting, for you and your partner(s).
Make it an art!
Practise (3x)

Namaste

[Satori]

Men don’t masturbate. We apply lotion to our hands with our willies.

[greybeard]

Men don’t masturbate. We apply lotion to our hands with our willies.

Oh yeah --pull the other one.
Legally correct of course -- smiling.
Chris

[De Christu]

After getting a vasectomy, I was told the sperm is reabsorbed by the body, surely the sperm being the most difficult to produce and most full of essence, this could be a therapeutic procedure for health without having to fully abstain?

[Hym]

I've got some comments, but I've gotta let this ride for a while......So many good comments here...And it's surely a worthy topic that can go into some productive and insightful areas...

I was gonna say I gotta hand it to the kid for bringing this up, but he's already got his own way of handling it...Koodos for that. And yes, in the states and likely worldwide, it is a good way to get isolated if you mention that you haven't purposely had ANY sex for any length of time. It doesn't bother me, but it does bring out the ignorance of others. Modern peoples are pretty f'd up in some ways, and this is a good example.

The condition of communication and the need for the healing power of touch and deeper intimacy certainly tells a crude tale and gives light to an unfulfilled area in the lives of many of both sexes. How people call sex intimacy without knowing each other's bodies and physically taking care of each other with massage, is way beyond my understanding of health, or whatever people call love, let alone real, satisfying sex. The state of external diversion, thru porn, and unhealthy, unrealistic societal norms is a state that can only be healed by taking good care of ourselves and nurturing the gift of being in a body.

The arrogant pretty boy stuff doesn't tell us much about transcendence and the natural reintegration of the energy into healing, but you're still young and if you follow this all beyond the thought, the learning about the energy will come....in time...
as abstinence without diversion does reinvigorate the blood, which in turn can heal many areas in the body...

Just mentioning being handsome, while accurate, tells us where the mind, the energy is at. I've known some strikingly beautiful women, and a few men, who could care less about what other people think about them, and it serves their energy well. Their thoughts are often on living, not presenting or influencing.

However, just you bringing it up this way tells me you are living much closer to the inherent power of being who you want to be, than living the way any society supposes you should live and act. You're talking some truth, that relating to at this age, will serve your journey much better than not bringing it up at all.

So, here's a little...
In a very rare world, the redirection of the energy, channeling desire to productive, creative action creates a ridge on the governing vessel meridian on the skull, slight, but noticeable. I've only met one man with that trait. The ridge diminished when he, in his middle years, got intimate and married.

[Mashika]

I really don't have any much to think or say about this, except the following

Why does this reads like it was written for one of those "I'm a self made expert in this topic" blogs? Why do I feel cringe when you mention your looks or charisma? It really adds nothing to your topic

The way you push that forward right from the start..

Error 404: Charisma Not Found


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When I turned 18, I got invited to a very high class bar to celebrate, we were only like 5 friends or so. At one point this random guy came by our table and said "hey you skinny, give me your number so I'll take you out tomorrow" and I said "no thanks bye now!"

He then said "you know I have what you need, I'll be back in 30" all ridiculous confident and walked away like a king, I think he thought that was also charisma and confidence. He looked like a fool

Anyway we called a friend and the guy came back to apologize 3 times through the night before we left to another place, His confidence was nowhere when he approached multiple times apologizing, so cringe.

Why the need to express like that?, over confidence doesn't really work, it's only for show, transparent, so all that work is whatever at the end, girls know... Unless you go for easy to impress ones, and then it looks like you want to be Sebastian from the Cruel Intentions movie

P.S. you are ashamed to talk about certain a sexual things because your religious or social upbringing traumatized and conditioned so much that it's taboo, not because it's natural to be ashamed. Just like you probably would not feel ok being fully naked on a public bath, or even a bath with only your father, uncles or grand father in the room

:cocktail:

[Bubu]

What the OP is saying as to ascension is true as I have experience it when I was fifteen. Not by choice but by accident. But since it was told in a manner that does not suite the crowd. The important message which would have benefited the readers was drowned. In this regard I am not going to tell how I go about the ascension thing for fear of being trash :). But I am going to tell you the logic how and why it works. We know that ejaculating takes a lot of energy. Now if you do it often and then you stop, logic tells us that there would be an oversupply of energy that you can "convert" or redirect. I have also discover another energy monster that most people go into and is equally satisfying to ejaculating. Guess what is it yet? eating or overeating. Yes it takes a loott of energy to digest the food. And if you are over eating and you suddenly stop, well you'd be fasting :). And after a while you'd be experiencing a load of energy. I still do this technique until now. But no I dont stick to the ascension part. But rather I do an ascension descension combo. this is because somewhere on the ascension path I reach the peak and there is of course no other way to go but to descend or stagnate. Stagnation is dead no life. Life is a vibration. So I do the ejaculate and glutton then eat only when hungry and exercise cycle.

I am going to tell you what it does to my health, I hope I also receive a lot of beating on this one:) :)
around 5 months ago me and my son did a 4 day bike tour. First two days we split the lead. On the third day I did the lead 80 % of the time because I have more stamina than him. On the fourth he lead most of the time because he has more than I. Its a tie stamina wise. One 55 year old and the other 22 year old. My son is also a varsity swimmer in college definitely not a wimpy boy.
The other good thing about this is that when I am exceptionally healthy it tends to lift the other aspects of me which is emotional and mental. Those 3 of course goes hand and hand and affect each other, negatively or positively.
One more tip. dont forget the inspiration part it makes up at least 80% of success. So to the OP, get a girlfriend every now and then and dont stick to the ascension part:)

[pabranno]

How does the principles of Sex Magik play into this, if it does? Lower chakra type of energy...

[Hughe]

When I was a child, I used to hear the elders talk to male kids at family gathering "To accomplish great things in life or to become a powerful man, you must treat women like the stone. If not, you will end up as an average husband who becomes nobody. Be careful with girls, boys!"

I started to practice meditation in late 10s. A few years later my skill moved to high-level that brought Kundalini experiences with blurred reality. And I stopped regular meditation practice to live as a man not a freak. The meditation technique taught what the OP said how to redirect sexual energy and desire for harnessing life (Ki) energy.

I chose to be a single man, lived like a Buddhist monk, became fearless. I'm at 50 who does not know to kiss. From time to time close friends talk to me "You should get marry." To prevent the wet dream during sleep, I do masturbate regularly by the way. I learned sex is sacred in nature. It needs to be embraced, explored by a couple.

The finest pleasure human can experience comes from act of creation. Only tiny number of population touches it in daily life. Sex is act of creation given to everybody but most of us do not know how to use it sadly.

[thepainterdoug]

NASU/ grew up on that film. always loved it. Yes, inability to get an erection will cause wars so that firm big missel's can be launched to compensate.

btw , gals you must love being able to make true comments regarding men here. these comments I fully agree with, but outside Avalon, ooooo very sexist!

[amor]

Doug: Is this a mental mining operation on certain female readers?

[indigopete]

What about alcohol ?

[Denise/Dizi]

giggle... Still chuckling that someone "Went there"... sorry, off topic....

[Merkaba360]

Thanks for the lecture and I guess he is too busy charming people to respond to any of the posts for 4 or 5 days :)

You should probably give this lecture to a more ignorant crowd. Many of us are already aware of this and have practiced it at least once.

"chronic ejaculators get NO respect from either sex." <-- lol. That means that practically all youthful men get NO respect at all from anyone. lol Is that why everybody is glued to their phone, they dont respect anyone, so remain distant? We should not respect low energy depressed people?

Being in SE Asia, I have no shortage of women or attention at a much older age and weaker energy than the OPer. I could whack it all day and i'd still get smiles and loads of messages, action, etc. So, according to this guy it sounds like if i plug my faucet, I'll literally be king of women and just waive my hand at women and put them under my magic mojo spell. lol
Maybe the ladies here like non-respectable, unconfident men :)

The power of being a funny and cool calm guy is totally ignored in the OP. Being youthful, still having youthful ignorances and full of massive energy that you unlikely can fully control are some of the downsides. The inability to handle that much energy can manifest negatively in other ways (even if you feel better)- pride, arrogance, annoying others, self-delusion, dominating/control issues, etc. The ego has soooooooo many traps.

We understand there is some truth to this topic, but trying to sell it with all the added 'charisma' is not so productive, since it just weaves in nonsense/exaggerations/distortions to the topic. Reading through the messages hopefully helps you see the problematic side effects of your massive energy. Work on smoothing that out for phase 2 in your training I guess.

[DaveToo]

I wouldn't touch this topic with a ten foot pole! :)

[araucaria]

What a disappointing thread! All about male ejaculation, and inevitably masturbation since it is only looking at one half of the equation. The whole point of the sex act, it seems to me, is interaction with a partner. My apologies if I stick to the old-school version of man and woman. Ejaculation, we are told, involves a huge expenditure of energy. However, if this energy is directed at someone, it can hardly be described as wasteful, but on the contrary, when properly done, with reciprocity, it will be extremely energizing for the other person. I read somewhere that through this interaction physical energy is transferred to the female, and spiritual energy to the male. But who am I to say? At the risk of appearing even more old-fashioned, maybe some old faithful couples have mastered this two-way energy source better than others who see it as a one-way thing.

[amor]

Sex is wasted on the young and ignorant who have not hit the jackpot by having found their literal soul mate, spiritual twin. However, the world is not fussy about the quality of offspring from the previously mentioned set.

[CurEus]

I hear now in the UK there are medical attendants that visit elderly and disabled patients to "pleasure" them to orgasm with special tools. Apprently this is healthy.

The "secret" ban of intimate relations in nursing and cares home between residents is slowly being lifted as well. Apparently it is very common, but just not discussed, but was actively discouraged by care home staff. Because they are prudes I expect.

Not sure why but it is unlikely anyone is going to get pregnant....

No one really knows what our grandparents get up to when no one is around....

[Mashika]

Thanks for the lecture and I guess he is too busy charming people to respond to any of the posts for 4 or 5 days :)

You should probably give this lecture to a more ignorant crowd. Many of us are already aware of this and have practiced it at least once.

"chronic ejaculators get NO respect from either sex." <-- lol. That means that practically all youthful men get NO respect at all from anyone. lol Is that why everybody is glued to their phone, they dont respect anyone, so remain distant? We should not respect low energy depressed people?

Being in SE Asia, I have no shortage of women or attention at a much older age and weaker energy than the OPer. I could whack it all day and i'd still get smiles and loads of messages, action, etc. So, according to this guy it sounds like if i plug my faucet, I'll literally be king of women and just waive my hand at women and put them under my magic mojo spell. lol
Maybe the ladies here like non-respectable, unconfident men :)

The power of being a funny and cool calm guy is totally ignored in the OP. Being youthful, still having youthful ignorances and full of massive energy that you unlikely can fully control are some of the downsides. The inability to handle that much energy can manifest negatively in other ways (even if you feel better)- pride, arrogance, annoying others, self-delusion, dominating/control issues, etc. The ego has soooooooo many traps.

We understand there is some truth to this topic, but trying to sell it with all the added 'charisma' is not so productive, since it just weaves in nonsense/exaggerations/distortions to the topic. Reading through the messages hopefully helps you see the problematic side effects of your massive energy. Work on smoothing that out for phase 2 in your training I guess.

I can't get rid of the MGTOW/Incel vibe, and it also brings up some weird kind of religious stuff going on behind the scenes

I don't know but the entire "Shame" thing is cringe enough, and the way it was written looks so much like one of those blogs where the owner eventually builds this image of "i'm an expert, listen to me" and then starts giving out coaching sessions or writes a book

Perhaps this is a way to validate and get feedback to see what sticks and what doesn't, and then reformulate and rewrite the business plan and coaching material?

Lastly, anyone with real charisma would not have a ruler to measure it, only someone aware of their lack of charisma would look so much into it that it becomes so important and he can compare against other "level of charisma"

At least for me, real charismatic guys are busy living their lives in real time, caring for other stuff and living the real experience, not writing blog posts about how to become one or look like one, and obsessing over sexual shame and energy that comes from avoiding thinking or acting on sex thoughts

And who said the only way to be energetic is caffeine? Why is that even mentioned like "i even stopped drinking it!" LOL That's an odd thing to say. And he doesn't need sports to get all build up, that sounds like a very specific profile he is displaying, possibly without knowing he's showing more than he wishes :P

He just needs to stop being a sinner, and he has immediate results in energy, charisma, body health and plenty other things, and he doesn't need to deal with the shame of having to commit 'the sin' to become a perfect good looking, charismatic, awesome body, superior male and winner in life

That's how it looks like to me, but what do i know.. probably reading too much into this

:cocktail:

[Hym]

Quite right Araucaria, But....
I doubt the young man wrote the OP with loving, interpersonal relations in mind. He may write that some day, but that is not the subject he was asking us about.

We gotta write those loving, interpersonal stories, the so much more enjoyable ones ourselves, though if you look throughout Avalon there are many references to the many deeper, long lasting and much richer living some of us have had with our partners. Getting stuck in sexual identity may be missing so much of the beauty that we share, even as we continue to have intimate connections along the way. I see him noticing that, even if it is tangental and I'm reading my insight into it all. Did we forget to ask him what examples of loving relationships his parents and friends have?

Make no mistake about it, whether written or not, starting a thread here is asking us what we know, what we've experienced and if we can share some of that knowledge. Even more so, if the heading of the thread is so insistent, claiming to be a fact, as if we are all so inexperienced and unaware. It's a challenge to accept with understanding or offense. He's gotten both, with a fair share of understandable "went there's" mixed in which should be helpful, to even the most insistent inquiry.

It's not as if we've been entirely insightful with him, as it was he who exposed himself, not us. Maybe we don't have much to offer him as he is a fellow member here in this family......As if we were never him, in his place, with our own outer attractions being pushed on us by a demanding society......

It seems he is dealing with finding another path other than the one society has laid out for handsome young adults, men and women alike, though the life path of young women is so much more abusive and insistent upon using them and not seeing them as the people they are.

The insistence of those who control society, that many young women and men look, act and perform in their lives a certain way, is so pervasive that these young people confine their lives, their spirits, their undiscovered futures in the cages others have made, which can greatly diminish the empowerment they should have in living the intimate lives they would/ they alone should, choose. When one young soul seeks to find his or her own way I think it best we step back and see ourselves in their position, bypass their youthful arrogance and ask some deeper questions, offer some paths that may be of help. We have done some of that already on this thread......

I see he wrote about his looks in that way, as he is not aware of how to articulate his natural distaste for the way society pushes him to behave, and he just doesn't want to ignore his energetic relationship to his own life's path. The yogic methods he describes, though helpful, won't help his attitude in dealing with what others assume he should become. That too is another yoga, but just one not often articulated, that of living in this complicated and intrusive world without being diverted away from our true paths. This is likely the first time a young man has written to us, as a community of values, concerning this one topic.

We're watching him go thru what he feels is a draining of his energy. That's normal and real. That makes sense in a world that has used and abused sexuality to manipulate society and separate the amazing power that the meeting of the sexes can manifest, within and far beyond sexuality.

Few his age talk about it that way and he's here, with us, knowing full well he'll get some honest and experiential feedback. And yes, extremes rarely, if ever are worthy life paths. We see, I see, him both grasping at solutions and exposing himself, as he is without being coy or humble, to advice that will be helpful. We'll either succeed or we won't in choosing to be helpful.

I wouldn't worry about the crutch of being handsome for him, as that will pass as he succeeds in going beyond externalizing his energy and evolving his energy to follow the path his soul seeks. I can't describe what that is, as like many things, words cannot fit the living. Many times the paths to awareness are journeys that don't have clear routes to follow. And that is one of life's beauties....

In my opinion it would have been, and maybe someday will be, a thread about how he has transmuted his sexual energies thru the methods he posted, while still living with those things many of us consider normal and healthy, responsible, consensual, sexual expressions.

Sexual energy between the sexes is amazing, awesome and at times transcendent and clarifying.....And it is very different from one gender to the other. Where humanity lost it's connection to touch and forgot to love the entire body, by merely servicing the lowest sexual denominator, is beyond common sense. I don't see the young man's inquiry as being anything but being a bit premature...and we sometimes forget who we were when we were younger...

[onawah]

The current, seemingly prevailing disconnect from Nature has many attendant ills.
A return to simple, pure wisdom such as the I Ching ( The Book of Changes) can help show the way back, as well as forward.
True evolution doesn't manifest in a straight line, but as a spiral which embraces what is worthy of preservation from the past with the visionary potential of the future.
The I Ching posits that the nature of the Creative, or male aspect of Creation, and the Receptive, the feminine aspect, is to complete and balance each other.
I can think of no more profound wisdom.
(And of course, each individual has the potential within for balance of both aspects.)
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I Ching
Wilhelm Translation, 1950

1. Ch'ien / The Creative

above CH'IEN THE CREATIVE, HEAVEN


The first hexagram is made up of six unbroken lines. These unbroken lines stand for the primal power, which is light-giving, active, strong, and of the spirit. The hexagram is consistently strong in character, and since it is without weakness, its essence is power or energy. Its image is heaven. Its energy is represented as unrestricted by any fixed conditions in space and is therefore conceived of as motion. Time is regarded as the basis of this motion. Thus the hexagram includes also the power of time and the power of persisting in time, that is, duration. The power represented by the hexagram is to be interpreted in a dual sense in terms of its action on the universe and of its action on the world of men. In relation to the universe, the hexagram expresses the strong, creative action of the Deity. In relation to the human world, it denotes the creative action of the holy man or sage, of the ruler or leader of men, who through his power awakens and develops their higher nature.

THE JUDGMENT

THE CREATIVE works sublime success, Furthering through perseverance.

According to the original meaning, the attributes [sublimity, potentiality of success, power to further, perseverance] are paired. When an individual draws this oracle, it means that success will come to him from the primal depths of the universe and that everything depends upon his seeking his happiness and that of others in one way only, that is, by perseverance in what is right. The specific meanings of the four attributes became the subject of speculation at an early date. The Chinese word here rendered by "sublime" means literally "head," "origin," "great." This is why Confucius says in explaining it: "Great indeed is the generating power of the Creative; all beings owe their beginning to it. This power permeates all heaven." For this attribute inheres in the other three as well. The beginning of all things lies still in the beyond in the form of ideas that have yet to become real. But the Creative furthermore has power to lend form to these archetypes of ideas. This is indicated in the word success, and the process is represented by an image from nature: "The clouds pass and the rain does its work, and all individual beings flow into their forms." Applies to the human world, these attributes show the great man the way to notable success: "Because he sees with great clarity and cause and effects, he completes the six steps at the right time and mounts toward heaven on them at the right time, as though on six dragons." The six steps are the six different positions given in the hexagram, which are represented later by the dragon symbol. Here it is shown that the way to success lies in apprehending and giving actuality to the way of the universe [Tao], which, as a law running through end and beginning, brings about all phenomena in time. Thus each step attained forthwith becomes a preparation for the next. Time is no longer a hindrance but the means of making actual what is potential. The act of creation having found expression in the two attributes sublimity and success, the work of conservation is shown to be a continuous actualization and differentiation of form. This is expressed in the two terms "furthering" (literally, "creating that which accords with the nature of a given being") and "persevering" (literally, "correct and firm"). "The course of the Creative alters and shapes beings until each attains its true, specific nature, then it keeps them in conformity with the Great Harmony. Thus does it show itself to further through perseverance." In relation to the human sphere, this shows how the great man brings peace and security to the world through his activity in creating order: "He towers high above the multitude of beings, and all lands are united in peace." Another line of speculation goes still further in separating the words "sublime," "success," "furthering," "perseverance," and parallels them with the four cardinal virtues in humanity. To sublimity, which, as the fundamental principle, embraces all the other attributes, it links love. To the attribute success are linked the morals, which regulate and organize expressions of love and thereby make them successful. The attribute furthering is correlated with justice, which creates the conditions in which each receives that which accords with his being, that which is due him and which constitutes his happiness. The attribute perseverance is correlated with wisdom, which discerns the immutable laws of all that happens and can therefore bring about enduring conditions. These speculations, already broached in the commentary called Wên Yen , later formed the bridge connecting the philosophy of the "five stages (elements) of change," as laid down in the Book of History (Shu Ching) with the philosophy of the Book of Changes, which is based solely on the polarity of positive and negative principles. In the course of time this combination of the two systems of thought opened the way for an increasingly intricate number symbolism.

THE IMAGE

The movement of heaven is full of power.
Thus the superior man makes himself strong and
untiring.

Since there is only one heaven, the doubling of the trigram Ch'ien, of which heaven is the image, indicates the movement of heaven. One complete revolution of heaven makes a day, and the repetition of the trigram means that each day is followed by another. This creates the idea of time. Since it is the same heaven moving with untiring power, there is also created the idea of duration both in and beyond time, a movement that never stops nor slackens, just as one day follows another in an unending course. This duration in time is the image of the power inherent in the Creative. With this image as a model, the sage learns how best to develop himself so that his influence may endure. He must make himself strong in every way, by consciously casting out all that is inferior and degrading. Thus he attains that tirelessness which depends upon consciously limiting the fields of his activity.

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2. K'un / The Receptive

above K'UN THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH


This hexagram is made up of broken lines only. The broken lines represents the dark, yielding, receptive primal power of yin. The attribute of the hexagram is devotion; its image is the earth. It is the perfect complement of THE CREATIVE--the complement, not the opposite, for the Receptive does not combat the Creative but completes it . It represents nature in contrast to spirit, earth in contrast to heaven, space as against time, the female-maternal as against the male-paternal. However, as applied to human affairs, the principle of this complementary relationship is found not only in the relation between man and woman, but also in that between prince and minister and between father and son. Indeed, even in the individual this duality appears in the coexistence of the spiritual world and the world of the senses. But strictly speaking there is no real dualism here, because there is a clearly defined hierarchic relationship between the two principles. In itself of course the Receptive is just as important as the Creative, but the attribute of devotion defines the place occupied by this primal power in relation to the Creative. For the Receptive must be activated and led by the Creative; then it is productive of good. Only when it abandons this position and tries to stand as an equal side by side with the Creative, does it become evil. The result then is opposition to and struggle against the Creative, which is productive of evil to both.

THE JUDGMENT

THE RECEPTIVE brings about sublime success,
Furthering through the perseverance of a mare.
If the superior man undertakes something and tries to lead,
He goes astray;
But if he follows, he finds guidance.
It is favorable to find friends in the west and south,
To forego friends in the east and north.
Quiet perseverance brings good fortune.

The four fundamental aspects of the Creative--"sublime success, furthering through perseverance"--are also attributed to the Receptive. Here, however, the perseverance is more closely defined: it is that of a mare. The Receptive connotes spatial reality in contrast to the spiritual potentiality of the Creative. The potential becomes real and the spiritual becomes spatial through a specifically qualifying definition. Thus the qualification, "of a mare," is here added to the idea of perseverance. The horse belongs to earth just as the dragon belongs to heaven. Its tireless roaming over the plains is taken as a symbol of the vast expanse of the earth. This is the symbol chosen because the mare combines the strength and swiftness of the horse with the gentleness and devotion of the cow. Only because nature in its myriad forms corresponds with the myriad impulses of the Creative can it make these impulses real. Nature's richness lies in its power to nourish all living things; its greatness lies in its power to give then beauty and splendor. Thus it prospers all that lives. IT is the Creative that begets things, but they are brought to birth by the Receptive. Applied to human affairs, therefore, what the hexagram indicated is action in conformity with the situation. The person in questions not in an independent position, but is acting as an assistant. This means that he must achieve something. It is not his task to try to lead--that would only make him lose the way-but to let himself be led. If he knows how to meet fate with an attitude of acceptance, he is sure to find the right guidance. The superior man lets himself be guided; he does not go ahead blindly, but learns from the situation what is demanded of him and then follows this intimation from fate. Since there is something to be accomplished, we need friends and helpers in the hour of toil and effort, once the ideas to be realized are firmly set. The time of toil and effort is indicated by the west and south, for west and south symbolize the place where the Receptive works for the Creative, as nature does in summer and autumn. If in that situation one does not mobilize all one's powers, the work to be accomplished will not be done. Hence to find friends there means to find guidance. But in addition to the time of toil and effort, there is also a time of planning, and for this we need this solitude. The east symbolized the place where a man receives orders from his master, and the north the place where he reports on what he has done. At that time he must be alone and objective. In this sacred hour he must do without companions. So that the purity of the moment may not be spoiled by fictional hates and favoritism.

THE IMAGE

The earth's condition is receptive devotion.
Thus the superior man who has breadth of character
Carries the outer world.

Just as there is only one heaven, so too there is only one earth. In the hexagram of heaven the doubling of the trigram implies duration in time, but in the hexagram of earth the doubling connotes the solidity and extension in space by virtue of which the earth is able to carry and preserve all things that live and move upon it. The earth in its devotion carries all things, good and evil,, without exception. In the same way the superior man gives to his character breadth, purity, and sustaining power, so that he is able both to support and to bear with people and things.

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Also to be considered is the nature of the 7 chakras in the human body, and how that manifests in an individual.
The root chakra, characterized by the color red, is the center for physical Sensation.
That is only the beginning of the evolutionary journey of consciousness, which ascends through each center from the root to the crown, the seat of Imagination, and beyond...
See: https://drsircus.com/spiritual-psychology/color-psychology/





Sexual energy between the sexes is amazing, awesome and at times transcendent and clarifying.....And it is very different from one gender to the other. Where humanity lost it's connection to touch and forgot to love the entire body, by merely servicing the lowest sexual denominator, is beyond common sense. I don't see the young man's inquiry as being anything but being a bit premature...and we sometimes forget who we were when we were younger...

[sunwings]

A really enjoyed reading all these posts thanks OP. Porn is just on the internet, it is a choice to watch it or not. But Sex is everywhere in our world. I think most men get triggered so easily by sex in the modern world. It seems to dominate our experience while our natural state is one of peace, not arousal. It feels artificial in the sense that we crave sex so often when actually it is the love we receive during sex that we desire. Sex has been injected into our world acting as a kind of Trojan horse, we welcome it into our lives but it offers little in return. Masturbation is an energy-draining addiction. Everyman has had episodes in their lives when it becomes a crutch to lean on. It is a tool that we use to cheer us up, calm us down, release sexual frustrations and also because it has been a **** day! We do it to ourselves.

[Bubu]

The ejaculation thread has now turn into a full blown bashing thread with few exemption. This is far more entertaining than I have anticipated LOL. On a serious note I dont agree with the OP that ejaculation is the most energy draining or handicap we have. I suggest to those who have chronic health problems to start eating less. You can thank me later:)

[Mashika]

The ejaculation thread has now turn into a full blown bashing thread with few exemption. This is far more entertaining than I have anticipated LOL. On a serious note I dont agree with the OP that ejaculation is the most energy draining or handicap we have. I suggest to those who have chronic health problems to start eating less. You can thank me later:)

Arrogance is one hell of a drug, sometimes, it can even make you think you are "charismatic", that's probably the main issue on that OP

[Mashika]

Kind of a sticky subject (pun absolutely intended) but someone needs to talk about it. For the record, I’m in my mid-20s and quite the looker. That sounds egotistical, but it must be said - because no one cares about sex advice from someone who can’t get laid.

This post is going to be aggressive and in your face. It needs to be - because currently, there is a 99.9% chance that you are an ADDICT. There’s nothing wrong with being an addict. I used to be one, too. The issues arise when addicts don’t think they’re addicted. If you ejaculate all of the time and don’t think there’s an issue with it, you fall into that category. I’d rather ruffle some feathers than fail to get my point across.

Let us proceed. Men, everything you have been told about ejaculation for your entire life is a big, fat, disgusting LIE. For the past four months, I have been completely celibate - no masturbation, no sex, nothing. Sexual thoughts have entered my mind, but I’ve made every possible effort to transmute them into something more productive...

And I have ascended. My mental acuity is as sharp as a katana. My charisma is off the charts. Both men and women are in absolute awe when I am in their presence. Anxiety does not exist for me. Stress does not exist for me. I never feel awkward. My foundation is as solid as an ancient mountain. This is not an exaggeration. I am playing a different game from all of the other men I see in my day to day. I never see another man who is on my level. EVER! They try to fake it, but it’s clear as day that they’re lying to themselves and others when they’re faced with the real thing. Once again, this may sound egotistical, but I need to clearly tell you about the benefits.

Speaking of, let’s talk about physical benefits. I have never been in better shape… even when I was a gym rat. About a week into celibacy, my body just started sculpting itself. I barely even exercised at the time. Seriously, I did like 15 burpees one day and the muscle gains I acquired were staggering. I was honestly in shock.

Energy levels? Off the charts. I’m never tired like you are. Guess what? I don’t even drink caffeine anymore. That’s just how much energy I have. I need very little sleep. And my skin complexion is nothing short of brilliant. Most men look sullen, weak, and dead inside. Not me! (Feel free to chalk this up to my age - then go ahead and look around at the other mid-20s “men” you see walking around. They’re not like this.)

Onto the specifics we go. Most consider sperm to be a waste fluid that needs to be released every day, or at least every week. This is patently false. Consider the nature of sperm. You ejaculate and a human life is literally created. How is that a waste product? Do you think fluid that literally CREATES LIFE... is easy to generate?

No. IT’S NOT. You are exhausting yourself by ejaculating to an absurd degree. You simply do not notice how exhausted you are... because you have been doing it for your entire life! In other words, you’ve adjusted. But you can’t really adjust to something like that, just like a heroin addict cannot truly adjust to injecting heroin. Perhaps he can become functional, but he’ll always be a shell of his true potential.

Consider the effects that pregnancy has on a woman. Nine months. Very draining, or so I’ve heard. Do you really think that the male does not have to put in some sort of equivalent effort as the female does? That the man just gets a free pass? Absolutely not. How does that make any sense? Like the woman, you sacrifice a part of yourself to create a new life. The woman does it over the span of nine months… you do it when you ejaculate and when you regenerate your sperm after the fact.

“Hold your horses, buddy. When I don’t ejaculate for more than a couple days, I feel on edge and aggressive. I’m too horny to function. I don’t sleep well. Maybe it worked for you, but I’m different. I need to ejaculate constantly to feel healthy.”

No, you don’t. You’re simply addicted to ejaculating. More than that, you’re addicted to sexual arousal. You’re just like a cigarette smoker. The smoker doesn’t understand how non-smokers can get through the day without a cigarette. Even more hilariously, smokers think their addiction benefits them - that it’s “worth it”. You are just like them. To the outsider, the smoker looks foolish. To me, you look foolish for ejaculating all of the time. Fool! I apologize for being so obtuse, but someone needs to drive this point home!

(Did you know? The only animals that masturbate are low-status monkeys in captivity. Say hello to your brethren!)

The truth is, you are currently addicted to sexual arousal, just like the smoker is addicted to the cigarette. When a woman walks by, you stare like a creep. What happens then? Well, you think you’re going to have sex! But you’re not. So the sexual frustration just builds. And it keeps building, because you keep thinking about sex, just like a smoker keeps thinking about a cigarette.

What happens then? Eventually, you drive yourself insane, just like the smoker who keeps thinking about cigarettes without getting his fix. Then, you do in fact need a release, just like the smoker needs a cigarette.

But the release itself is not intrinsically necessary, just like the cigarette is not intrinsically necessary! You have simply convinced yourself that it is necessary by forming an addiction - one that likely began when you were a teenager, or maybe even 11 or 12 years of age, before you had a f***ing clue what you were doing in the game of life.

In other words, up until this very moment, as far as ejaculation goes, you have played yourself. You have a habit of expending your single biggest source of life force energy… for literally no reason, other than the fact that you’re addicted to it.

Now, this does not mean that you can never have sex again. I plan to try tantric sex at some point in the future with a worthy partner. But masturbation? Give me a break. NO. Never again. Neither should you. Unless you want to expend life force energy for absolutely no reason and give yourself a major handicap in the game of life. You are better off getting completely inebriated from an assortment of different drugs. (I’m harping on masturbation in particular because I don’t expect people to make the jump to full-blown celibacy right away.)

I can now INSTANTLY tell when a man masturbates. It’s so obvious - the ways their eyes shift around, the weakness of their gait, their timidness, their awkwardness, their lack of self-confidence. And you know what? SO CAN WOMEN. They have built-in sensors and can pick up what you’re putting out from a mile away. I would sometimes get glances from women in the past, but many would seem to look at me in disgust, which didn’t make much sense due to my looks. Now I get it. They know. I promise you, they know. They don’t know how they know, but they do. And they automatically treat you differently if you’re one of the ejaculators.

Let me be perfectly clear. Men, whether or not you ejaculate takes all priority in the social dynamics of human existence. Chronic ejaculators get NO respect from EITHER sex.

Now for some good news. 99.99% of men in today’s society are chronic masturbators, to the tune of at LEAST once per week. By stopping this degenerate practice, you are going to gain a MAJOR EDGE in the game of life. You are going to be literally shocked at how quickly your life improves and how differently people start treating you. And that’s not even including the extra energy, strength, stamina, health benefits, etc. that you will receive. (If you are already doing pretty well for yourself... I can assure you, you haven't even begun to peak!)

But it takes more than simply not touching your dick or having casual sex. You need to also purify your mind. Or else you are going to drive yourself insane and eventually “relapse”.

How do you purify your mind? You need to transmute your sexual energy. Yoga, meditation, exercise, creative outlets - anything! When you get a sexual thought, take a deep breath and imagine the energy flowing from your lowest chakra straight to your crown chakra. You can literally feel the energy travel up your spine. Don’t repress sexuality - simply move the energy around your body, HARNESS IT, and become the person who you always wanted to be with almost no effort at all. Life becomes very easy when you are not constantly exhausting yourself for a spurt of pleasure that lasts for three damn seconds.

I’m going to stop here - either I’ve piqued your curiosity or I haven’t. If I have, I will link to three resources below. If you read these three resources, or even a portion of one of them, you will never look at ejaculation in the same way ever again. In fact, you will look back and wonder how on earth you spent such a significant portion of your life needlessly expending life force energy for absolutely no reason at all. Count on it!

The Coiled Serpent (http://library.lol/main/34AB160DFA058A670224008712F47D2A) - download file and go to fviewer.com/view-epub to read it

The Practice of Brahmacharya (http://library.lol/main/31F0C62B401E5694E9B2BB807EB7286D) - download file and go to fviewer.com/view-epub to read it

A Treatise on the Diseases Produced By Onanism, Masturbation, Self-Pollution, and other excesses (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54713/54713-h/54713-h.htm#Diseases_resulting_from_venereal_excesses) - this was written about a century ago and as such is somewhat hard to read, but it’s a gem

P.S. No hate towards smokers - I was a nicotine addict for eight years (half+ pack per day / 1+ pod per day). I was easily able to become completely sober - I even quit caffeine! - once I stopped ejaculating. The benefits you will receive from not doing this single activity far outweigh any temporary pleasure you get from it. Once you get a grip on your masturbation habits, you will want to look into tantric sex - or just realize that there is a whole freaking lot more worth living for than fleeting sexual pleasure.

P.P.S. I have NO IDEA what is to be said about masturbation/sex for women - this thread is aimed exclusively at men.

P.P.P.S. If you are so confident in your masturbation habits, why are you so ashamed of them? Would you brag about how many times you masturbated each week to a member of the opposite sex? Would you make a post on Facebook detailing your masturbation habits? Of course not! Because deep down, you’re ashamed. Okay… now I’m done. God bless this wonderful forum where I have learned so much.

I still would like to know, why did you chose "maximillion pegasus" to be your nick name, do you approach life to want to become like him? That would explain plenty

Once you can reply, if you can, please be considerate for all people here. Life in jail can be very hard, i heard, keep safe

[David Trd1]

By pure chance i had the idea at 18 to challange myself for a month to not engage in said proclivities at all, and after quite a tough month at that age...I can atest to the above. I learned a deep and rippling lesson about energy, and the nature of cultivating it during that time. It was quite eye opening. Ive practiced retention properly since about 27 with intermittant release when desired or needed. And ive seen the benefits and would recommend, health and other wise. And if nothing else its a instructive lesson in discipline.

The term ''bullets of manifestation'' comes to mind, but the visual is much less enamouring...And being fully loaded rather than spent is a much better prospect for creating the life and experience thats desired down here. Creative energy is precious. Really precious.

[Open Minded Dude]

And I have ascended. (...) Both men and women are in absolute awe when I am in their presence. (...) I never see another man who is on my level. EVER! They try to fake it, but it’s clear as day that they’re lying to themselves and others when they’re faced with the real thing. (...) Most men look sullen, weak, and dead inside. Not me!

The OP bears without doubt some truth but the problem is indeed that the poster does not come across as genuine to me.

There is even a bit of a contradiction. If you are 'ascended' somehow or even 'enlightened', as is claimed more or less directly, well, you would never make such an ego-related and self-aggrandizing post in the first place.

Therefore the term 'ascended' does not ring true to me. Given the young age we must be forgiving somewhat due to the hormonal imbalances and the youthful energy in general. It's indeed a confusing age. One day you believe you got it all figured out and then it all crumbles again. Things change fast.

If you are truly ascended/enlightened you also do not elevate yourself verbally and in the same breath denigrate all of your fellow beings (men in this case) this way (see quote). You just don't.

Honestly spoken, this post reads almost like a maniac phase of a bipolar person for me. I'm not saying he is and don't want to be mean. Still I hope for the OP that there will be no relapse / setback and bad wake-up from this elated state into a rather 'depressed' or just 'sober' one.

[silver birch]

I do not want to be a partytrasher but this thread may need some scientific truths ...
The main idea on this thread that you stay crispy and interesting in your mind by not ejaculating too often is probably true, especially when young. It is also my experience from back in the days during the former millenia but I would like to add a story some may find stimulating for their scientific investigative minds.
I have three points to make, the first is an interview on Swedish Radio many moons ago (do not remember the year) with an urologist working at UniversitetsSjukhuset Lund (southern Sweden), talking about prostate cancer.
The part that made a standing impression (no PUN intended) was his statement that according to his experience with patients, the most effective and easy prevention of prostate problems (enlarging and cancer) would be to ejaculate at least five days a week.
This is not as strange as it may sound when you consider the next point in my humble contribution.
The prostate's function is as everybody knows, to supply the reproductive function with a liquid for the (small volume of) sperms to thrive and be activated during conception.
Without being an expert, this includes supplying zinc and other chemicals fit for the task.
The crucial part in this is probably the prostate's bias to accumulate zinc (mainly benevolent heavy metal) but also other heavy metals like lead, being very toxic.
As our modern air, water and food contains lead, arsenic and cadmium for example, this may be the reason for the urologist's conclusion.

I would also like to throw another wrench in the threadmachinery by reminding about the possibility that avoiding ejaculation may have a function in putting an end to old grumpy males surviving in societies without contributing much, and therefore being a burden ...
When old men lose their intrerest in procreating and ejaculating for fun, their prostate will kill them by being overloaded with heavy metals and such. Nature is so wise.

Excuse my french.

[araucaria]

I do not want to be a partytrasher but this thread may need some scientific truths ...
The main idea on this thread that you stay crispy and interesting in your mind by not ejaculating too often is probably true, especially when young. It is also my experience from back in the days during the former millenia but I would like to add a story some may find stimulating for their scientific investigative minds.
I have three points to make, the first is an interview on Swedish Radio many moons ago (do not remember the year) with an urologist working at UniversitetsSjukhuset Lund (southern Sweden), talking about prostate cancer.
The part that made a standing impression (no PUN intended) was his statement that according to his experience with patients, the most effective and easy prevention of prostate problems (enlarging and cancer) would be to ejaculate at least five days a week.
This is not as strange as it may sound when you consider the next point in my humble contribution.
The prostate's function is as everybody knows, to supply the reproductive function with a liquid for the (small volume of) sperms to thrive and be activated during conception.
Without being an expert, this includes supplying zinc and other chemicals fit for the task.
The crucial part in this is probably the prostate's bias to accumulate zinc (mainly benevolent heavy metal) but also other heavy metals like lead, being very toxic.
As our modern air, water and food contains lead, arsenic and cadmium for example, this may be the reason for the urologist's conclusion.

I would also like to throw another wrench in the threadmachinery by reminding about the possibility that avoiding ejaculation may have a function in putting an end to old grumpy males surviving in societies without contributing much, and therefore being a burden ...
When old men lose their intrerest in procreating and ejaculating for fun, their prostate will kill them by being overloaded with heavy metals and such. Nature is so wise.

Excuse my french.
I have no problem with your French, but... you have been a member here (pun intended) since 2012 and this is practically your first post on the main forum. What continence. Chapeau :)

[Open Minded Dude]

I do not want to be a partytrasher but this thread may need some scientific truths ...
The main idea on this thread that you stay crispy and interesting in your mind by not ejaculating too often is probably true, especially when young. It is also my experience from back in the days during the former millenia but I would like to add a story some may find stimulating for their scientific investigative minds.
I have three points to make, the first is an interview on Swedish Radio many moons ago (do not remember the year) with an urologist working at UniversitetsSjukhuset Lund (southern Sweden), talking about prostate cancer.
The part that made a standing impression (no PUN intended) was his statement that according to his experience with patients, the most effective and easy prevention of prostate problems (enlarging and cancer) would be to ejaculate at least five days a week.
This is not as strange as it may sound when you consider the next point in my humble contribution.
The prostate's function is as everybody knows, to supply the reproductive function with a liquid for the (small volume of) sperms to thrive and be activated during conception.
Without being an expert, this includes supplying zinc and other chemicals fit for the task.
The crucial part in this is probably the prostate's bias to accumulate zinc (mainly benevolent heavy metal) but also other heavy metals like lead, being very toxic.
As our modern air, water and food contains lead, arsenic and cadmium for example, this may be the reason for the urologist's conclusion.

I would also like to throw another wrench in the threadmachinery by reminding about the possibility that avoiding ejaculation may have a function in putting an end to old grumpy males surviving in societies without contributing much, and therefore being a burden ...
When old men lose their intrerest in procreating and ejaculating for fun, their prostate will kill them by being overloaded with heavy metals and such. Nature is so wise.

Excuse my french.

Agree to your French :clapping: . But you are not a thread-crasher since it has been said here before, by me (in another post) and others, have you read the entire thread at all?

[Bubu]

I do not want to be a partytrasher but this thread may need some scientific truths ...
The main idea on this thread that you stay crispy and interesting in your mind by not ejaculating too often is probably true, especially when young. It is also my experience from back in the days during the former millenia but I would like to add a story some may find stimulating for their scientific investigative minds.
I have three points to make, the first is an interview on Swedish Radio many moons ago (do not remember the year) with an urologist working at UniversitetsSjukhuset Lund (southern Sweden), talking about prostate cancer.
The part that made a standing impression (no PUN intended) was his statement that according to his experience with patients, the most effective and easy prevention of prostate problems (enlarging and cancer) would be to ejaculate at least five days a week.
This is not as strange as it may sound when you consider the next point in my humble contribution.
The prostate's function is as everybody knows, to supply the reproductive function with a liquid for the (small volume of) sperms to thrive and be activated during conception.
Without being an expert, this includes supplying zinc and other chemicals fit for the task.
The crucial part in this is probably the prostate's bias to accumulate zinc (mainly benevolent heavy metal) but also other heavy metals like lead, being very toxic.
As our modern air, water and food contains lead, arsenic and cadmium for example, this may be the reason for the urologist's conclusion.

I would also like to throw another wrench in the threadmachinery by reminding about the possibility that avoiding ejaculation may have a function in putting an end to old grumpy males surviving in societies without contributing much, and therefore being a burden ...
When old men lose their intrerest in procreating and ejaculating for fun, their prostate will kill them by being overloaded with heavy metals and such. Nature is so wise.

Excuse my french.
I have no problem with your French, but... you have been a member here (pun intended) since 2012 and this is practically your first post on the main forum. What continence. Chapeau :)

Maybe the guy is so eager to share his experience just like the over-eagerness of the OP :). Few people will understand this phenomenon as few people have gone through this experience. I remember when I was going through this experience suddenly all people I meet on the streets were smiling at me even people I dont know. When I got back in our house I proceeded directly to my room and look myself in the mirror thinking there is probably something in my face, paint or anything that make people smile.. What I see instead is a vibrant boy smiling back at me. I look away from the mirror. I am not smiling, not making any effort to smile. I look again in the mirror and he is smiling. Its like being happy is effortless. That's the sort of accession that the OP is talking about. Not the spiritual ascension. You improve in many aspects by many levels. Suddenly I was jumping higher running faster my appetite doubled overall the quality of my life has improved many levels. Almost All of what is mentioned in the OP I can relate to. And this is all because I stop ejaculating four six times a week because I was called by my father to work in our poultry while at the same time I can never miss the fun with my peers mostly sports. Every single joule for ejaculating was diverted to work. And its pretty hard work. Often I have to grind 25 kg of corn in a manual grinder 3 passes. I learned much from this experience. And still, use it to date. Actually, all sort of orgasmic activity has a profound effect on our health. Its energy cultivating or healing. When we ejaculate we release the energy and then replenish release replenish. This sort of vibration is like a swing every time it goes you add a little energy and you go higher and higher if done right. Think of the things that gave you an orgasmic feeling... When you are catching your breath during exercise and almost on the verge of collapse, then you relax. there you feel some orgasm. consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included. While everything that is bad is promoted, vax included. We should learn to listen and trust our senses more.

[Richard S.]

Thank you for posting this, I appreciate it, it is timely for me.

[Open Minded Dude]

consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included.
We need to distinguish between 'natural' sugar in food and the industrial / refined / saccharine sugar. The first is mostly okay since we need lots of glucose to survive and for energy anyway, without it we would die instantly (brain exclusively feeds on glucose as energy source for example). The second type added excessively to today's industrial foods, well, there are hundreds of studies and even some good documentaries out there proving it to you otherwise. Really recommendable to make a distinction here.

[DeDukshyn]

consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included.
We need to distinguish between 'natural' sugar in food and the industrial / refined / saccharine sugar. The first is mostly okay since we need lots of glucose to survive and for energy anyway, without it we would die instantly (brain exclusively feeds on glucose as energy source for example). The second type added excessively to today's industrial foods, well, there are hundreds of studies and even some good documentaries out there proving it to you otherwise. Really recommendable to make a distinction here.

Kinda off topic here, but I'll add something to this. Sugar is sugar, and nature doesn't contain a lot of it, except in fruit and some vegetables. The main difference is that in fruit, you are getting fiber and vitamins and nutrients at the same time as sugar. The fiber greatly slows the absorption of sugar, and helps reduce blood sugar and insulin spikes - it is these spikes that are bad for the body. When you consume sugar without the supporting fiber and nutrients your body takes a hit - and the only way to do that is to eat refined sugars.

There's a huge difference between eating an orange that has ~12 grams of sugar, 2 grams of soluble fiber plus over one gram of insoluble fiber (3 grams of fiber total), several vitamins and minerals, and drinking a 500ml bottle of soda that contains about 50 grams of sugar and no nutrients whatsoever. It isn't as much the forms of sugar (they would be similar), but one can clearly see how one of those is much worse for you - especially considering how one would cause a massive blood sugar spike, and the other not.

While the body does operate on "sugar", we do not need to consume it at all. The body will convert all starches (grains, starchy vegetables (think root vegetables)) into sugar for its use, and in the absence of starches, the body will convert proteins and fats into sugar as needed as well. Consumption is not at all a requirement. Consider that if we lived naturally, without processed foods there would not be much sugar in our diet, particularly in northern countries where you only get a couple months of fruit.

[waxamillionpehhgasus]

Fascinating replies! I work as a copywriter, so this post was in fact crafted with a very particular style of writing in mind, to appeal to a very specific audience. I seem to have reached at least one person - which makes it completely worth it!

Most have completely missed the point - I'm talking primarily about male ejaculation, not celibacy. According to some, apparently I've never been in a loving interpersonal relationship - which is QUITE the assumption to make. Are you able to glean that much information about a person's life due to the words and punctuation they use on a forum post? Does my style of writing indicate how I behave in real life, and how other people perceive me as I go about my day-to-day? Apparently, it does. Who knew? Flawless assumptions. I must have NO charisma. Zero.

Others have harped on certain words such as "ascended", assuming I was talking about spiritual ascension, when the rest of the post does not indicate that at all. To be completely upfront, in terms of energy levels and motivation compared to my male peers, I have certainly "ascended". I feel as if I was completely clear in the first post - I was being blunt and borderline brash to get my point across. The point being: reckless male ejaculation = bad news. Keyword: reckless. It's a handicap. Full stop.

You're free to believe whatever you want, of course. Perhaps I'm just delusional. I've gone months and months without ejaculating and put in the work to transmute my sexual energy into other avenues simply because I'm delusional. Makes sense. Everyone is aware that a major topic in Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich is sexual energy transmutation, right? It's only one of the most popular self-help books of all times. And countless other highly-respected self-help materials talk about it, too! I'm not the first one to talk about this. Not by a long shot.

Others have gone so far as to bash me directly due to my style of writing, going so far as to call me bipolar and/or depressed (such as a member with the username "Open Minded Dude"). How "open minded"! Amazing.

A select few have read the post fully and replied with solid information regarding these topics, particularly in regards to the dangers of porn and the benefits of taoism. Respect. You guys are right on the money.

As I clearly mentioned in the first post, I don't expect everyone to get on board with celibacy or my overall lifestyle. I'm aware that it's extreme, and I don't think I'll be doing this for the rest of my life. But for now, considering what I see in my day-to-day, I firmly believe that the VAST majority of males are handicapping themselves due to what society has taught them about ejaculation - in particular, those under 40 years of age - and I won't beat around the bush regarding it!

Lastly, male ejaculation is not a prerequisite to having a loving relationship with a member of the opposite sex. You can't love someone else because you, as a male, don't ejaculate? Please!

No matter what you've replied with, it's all good - my only intended audience was the group of men I was targeting! If you're a male, and you're happy masturbating and ejaculating all of the time, you do you. No harm done. For the rest of you who feel like you suffer from a handicap, anxiety, depression, awkwardness, lack of muscle development, lack of confidence, brain fog, you name it - check out the resources I linked in the original post and get to work. One single month of transmuting your sexual energy away from degeneracy will change how you see the world. Peace!

[Bubu]

consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included.
We need to distinguish between 'natural' sugar in food and the industrial / refined / saccharine sugar. The first is mostly okay since we need lots of glucose to survive and for energy anyway, without it we would die instantly (brain exclusively feeds on glucose as energy source for example). The second type added excessively to today's industrial foods, well, there are hundreds of studies and even some good documentaries out there proving it to you otherwise. Really recommendable to make a distinction here.

Kinda off topic here, but I'll add something to this. Sugar is sugar, and nature doesn't contain a lot of it, except in fruit and some vegetables. The main difference is that in fruit, you are getting fiber and vitamins and nutrients at the same time as sugar. The fiber greatly slows the absorption of sugar, and helps reduce blood sugar and insulin spikes - it is these spikes that are bad for the body. When you consume sugar without the supporting fiber and nutrients your body takes a hit - and the only way to do that is to eat refined sugars.

There's a huge difference between eating an orange that has ~12 grams of sugar, 2 grams of soluble fiber plus over one gram of insoluble fiber (3 grams of fiber total), several vitamins and minerals, and drinking a 500ml bottle of soda that contains about 50 grams of sugar and no nutrients whatsoever. It isn't as much the forms of sugar (they would be similar), but one can clearly see how one of those is much worse for you - especially considering how one would cause a massive blood sugar spike, and the other not.

While the body does operate on "sugar", we do not need to consume it at all. The body will convert all starches (grains, starchy vegetables (think root vegetables)) into sugar for its use, and in the absence of starches, the body will convert proteins and fats into sugar as needed as well. Consumption is not at all a requirement. Consider that if we lived naturally, without processed foods there would not be much sugar in our diet, particularly in northern countries where you only get a couple months of fruit.

Nearly all of the points you made are based on someone's experiment or studies, scientist/experts not yours. Well my senses , the common sense part, tells me that anything that is process probably has poison in it or it lacks nutrients. What is good with simple sugar? our body do not have to process/ work to utilize it. Therefore our body can use its effort instead on some useful task, like healing. You dont have to believe me but when I feel weak or about to get ill. I do a sugar boost. Just consume lots of them even the process ones. And I'm back. Starch or complex sugar? our body will work on it, convert it to simple sugars and in the end our body also absorbs simple sugar no different than consuming simple sugar, but less the work. That is why those who consume lots of complex sugar has virtually no energy for another task. Most of the energy they derive from it they also use for converting it to simple sugars. Lastly, but not the least. I'm an extremely healthy person. I can do all sorts of body abuse but when I want to go back to top shape I can do it in less than a month from total wreck. Common sense tells me to take health advice from people who are able to maintain a top gun health..

[Tangri]

In the game of life, masturbating is the single biggest stress release. Its harmless, free and divine.
Every man can as often as he likes ...ejaculate. But how long can you masturbate without ejaculating?
Thats where it gets interesting, for you and your partner(s).
Make it an art!
Practise (3x)

Namaste

I wouldn't recommend that kind of art after 50, mother nature is going to work for you. Otherwise Prostatic hyperplasia risk is waiting for you.

--for OP(waxamillion) don't get hostile to your body either ways(absent- overdoing). Also probably you never had a dog as a pet, you would have understand how testosterones work.

[Mike Gorman]

I think sex as a whole is overblown (dreadful pun, I am not contrite) in our society, and males are encouraged to indulge in porn, see their self worth in terms of sexual conquest; porn can be a terrible trap for some males.
I get what you are articulating, and admire your self insight - some might be offended at the brash confidence, but it does not bother me.
Yes, there is much in this, Indian Yogis teach restraint, and refocusing sexual energy. Addiction to ejaculation can be a genuine matter, just because we are biological does not mean we have to enslave ourselves to gratification.
Good on you, mind you I am coming up to 63 so bedding wenches is not high on my list of objectives, so perhaps I am not typical!

[DeDukshyn]

consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included.
We need to distinguish between 'natural' sugar in food and the industrial / refined / saccharine sugar. The first is mostly okay since we need lots of glucose to survive and for energy anyway, without it we would die instantly (brain exclusively feeds on glucose as energy source for example). The second type added excessively to today's industrial foods, well, there are hundreds of studies and even some good documentaries out there proving it to you otherwise. Really recommendable to make a distinction here.

Kinda off topic here, but I'll add something to this. Sugar is sugar, and nature doesn't contain a lot of it, except in fruit and some vegetables. The main difference is that in fruit, you are getting fiber and vitamins and nutrients at the same time as sugar. The fiber greatly slows the absorption of sugar, and helps reduce blood sugar and insulin spikes - it is these spikes that are bad for the body. When you consume sugar without the supporting fiber and nutrients your body takes a hit - and the only way to do that is to eat refined sugars.

There's a huge difference between eating an orange that has ~12 grams of sugar, 2 grams of soluble fiber plus over one gram of insoluble fiber (3 grams of fiber total), several vitamins and minerals, and drinking a 500ml bottle of soda that contains about 50 grams of sugar and no nutrients whatsoever. It isn't as much the forms of sugar (they would be similar), but one can clearly see how one of those is much worse for you - especially considering how one would cause a massive blood sugar spike, and the other not.

While the body does operate on "sugar", we do not need to consume it at all. The body will convert all starches (grains, starchy vegetables (think root vegetables)) into sugar for its use, and in the absence of starches, the body will convert proteins and fats into sugar as needed as well. Consumption is not at all a requirement. Consider that if we lived naturally, without processed foods there would not be much sugar in our diet, particularly in northern countries where you only get a couple months of fruit.

Nearly all of the points you made are based on someone's experiment or studies, scientist/experts not yours. Well my senses , the common sense part, tells me that anything that is process probably has poison in it or it lacks nutrients. What is good with simple sugar? our body do not have to process/ work to utilize it. Therefore our body can use its effort instead on some useful task, like healing. You dont have to believe me but when I feel weak or about to get ill. I do a sugar boost. Just consume lots of them even the process ones. And I'm back. Starch or complex sugar? our body will work on it, convert it to simple sugars and in the end our body also absorbs simple sugar no different than consuming simple sugar, but less the work. That is why those who consume lots of complex sugar has virtually no energy for another task. Most of the energy they derive from it they also use for converting it to simple sugars. Lastly, but not the least. I'm an extremely healthy person. I can do all sorts of body abuse but when I want to go back to top shape I can do it in less than a month from total wreck. Common sense tells me to take health advice from people who are able to maintain a top gun health..

Where was I arguing that you shouldn't consume sugar? I simply stated that it isn't required because your body will create the exact forms of sugar it needs from other nutrients. I stated that sugar is bad if you don't consume it with fiber and supporting nutrients, and the only way you can do this is to consume processed and refined sugars, as in soda, because it causes a massive sugar and insulin spike which is hard on your body, whereas naturally sourced sugar that is consumed with fiber - as in fresh fruit, does not have this effect. And yes this is scientifically proven ...

If you think drinking soda is good for you, have at it ...

:focus:

[waxamillionpehhgasus]

Still on the fence regarding these concepts? Try watching this video as a beginner guide. It will tell you how your sexual habits may very well be DESTROYING your potential in terms spiritual ascension/harmony! (Though who am I to say - according to many posters here, it's unrealistic for me to have any spiritual sense whatsoever, due to the way I'm typing! I don't have any charisma, either, apparently. It's all in my head. Drat! :()

Once you're through with the video, check out the materials in the first post to dive even further in! If you give it a try, and manage to properly transmute your sexual energy - your life will truly never be the same!

Or, if you're satisfied with the trajectory of your life, just keep masturbating and having casual sex to scratch that materialistic lower-body sexual addiction itch. The path you choose is really completely up to you!

sVggeyOckbQ

P.S. Would highly recommend all of Gigi Young's stuff, especially the Isis Rising series she did!

[Mashika]

You know, i understand why you don't want girls commenting on here, there's nothing to gain from listening to them, since you already have your mind set and you don't seem to find any value on other opinions, you "know what you need and where you want to be"

But hear me out for a bit, i know i lack the necessary parts to be considered a 'bro' lmao, but still going to post this :P

--

It seems you are angry that no one, except maybe one person as you pointed out, wants to follow or drop everything to believe in what you said

So let me quote you a bit, because i think i know why some of that stuff you said is going out the window and flying away to never be seen or listened to again...

This is going to be veeeery long.. ashh... #whywhywhy



Fascinating replies! I work as a copywriter, so this post was in fact crafted with a very particular style of writing in mind, to appeal to a very specific audience.

People on Avalon doesn't need to be lead by the nose, and they know it and can see it, the way you wrote that and then admit you did it on purpose comes out as not very sincere, like in having ulterior motives right from before you posted.

People here are way smarter than to fall or follow a pop psychology article that has self aggrandizing comments all over, it just reads as an attempt at a mind job. Do you realize most people here have way lots more experience than us and already went through the entire process at least once before you even got this idea? You are preaching to the chore



I seem to have reached at least one person - which makes it completely worth it!

So you are preaching :)



Most have completely missed the point - I'm talking primarily about male ejaculation, not celibacy. According to some, apparently I've never been in a loving interpersonal relationship - which is QUITE the assumption to make. Are you able to glean that much information about a person's life due to the words and punctuation they use on a forum post? Does my style of writing indicate how I behave in real life, and how other people perceive me as I go about my day-to-day? Apparently, it does. Who knew?
You would be surprised but yes it does, it says a lot, more than you think you are letting other people know



Flawless assumptions. I must have NO charisma. Zero.

See? This has said so much, is such a small sentence and yet



Others have harped on certain words such as "ascended", assuming I was talking about spiritual ascension, when the rest of the post does not indicate that at all. To be completely upfront, in terms of energy levels and motivation compared to my male peers, I have certainly "ascended".

Guys that are above, don't think of it like this or are aware because it is already on their nature. They did not fabricate it or had to find ways to make it happen artificially, they just are, same as girls by the way, you just "are". I think you are pushing very hard for an image that is not you, because if you were accepting and happy with yourself, then why the need to work so hard to find an alternative around just "being you" ? See, once again your words say more than you thought they could say, in writing form. You need to escape from the person you were before



I feel as if I was completely clear in the first post - I was being blunt and borderline brash to get my point across. The point being: reckless male ejaculation = bad news. Keyword: reckless. It's a handicap. Full stop.

For you. The entire world doesn't revolve around your perception of what charisma and masculinity is. As far as i could care, i can 'smell' that you are not being honest about the charisma thing, because you make it such a point to make it a talking point, that it makes me think you are building an image around it, and not being honestly yourself



You're free to believe whatever you want, of course. Perhaps I'm just delusional. I've gone months and months without ejaculating and put in the work to transmute my sexual energy into other avenues simply because I'm delusional. Makes sense. Everyone is aware that a major topic in Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich is sexual energy transmutation, right? It's only one of the most popular self-help books of all times. And countless other highly-respected self-help materials talk about it, too! I'm not the first one to talk about this. Not by a long shot.

You are exposing a lot of resentment somehow



Others have gone so far as to bash me directly due to my style of writing, going so far as to call me bipolar and/or depressed (such as a member with the username "Open Minded Dude"). How "open minded"! Amazing.

Resentment because he said what he was thinking. And you can't deal with it. Why do you care so much what other people think if you are 'above most other males"?



A select few have read the post fully and replied with solid information regarding these topics, particularly in regards to the dangers of porn and the benefits of taoism. Respect. You guys are right on the money.

"Peccatum Originale" - Those are the chosen ones that can follow the leader into the unknown path of liberation from earthy sin and temptation



As I clearly mentioned in the first post, I don't expect everyone to get on board with celibacy or my overall lifestyle. I'm aware that it's extreme, and I don't think I'll be doing this for the rest of my life. But for now, considering what I see in my day-to-day, I firmly believe that the VAST majority of males are handicapping themselves due to what society has taught them about ejaculation - in particular, those under 40 years of age - and I won't beat around the bush regarding it!

But why do you get angry or bothered that other people did not care, it's your choice and your path, should just stop there, no need to preach about it



Lastly, male ejaculation is not a prerequisite to having a loving relationship with a member of the opposite sex. You can't love someone else because you, as a male, don't ejaculate? Please!

It's a personal choice, why does it bother you what other guys do? "Please!" -- "Why don't you understand that you need to stop because i said so!" that's how it comes through to other people i think



No matter what you've replied with, it's all good

Thing is, it is not, because later on you wrote another post with more resentment towards the people that called or pointed out a few of the things on your original post



my only intended audience was the group of men I was targeting! If you're a male, and you're happy masturbating and ejaculating all of the time, you do you.

But that's what people are already doing... Just being them, you are trying to impose your view and then complain they won't listen and change to become and follow your ideology



No harm done. For the rest of you who feel like you suffer from a handicap, anxiety, depression, awkwardness, lack of muscle development, lack of confidence, brain fog, you name it - check out the resources I linked in the original post and get to work. One single month of transmuting your sexual energy away from degeneracy will change how you see the world. Peace!

Now you are selling your ideas, and it's very visible in which way, there could be lots of reasons for all those things happening in a guys life, but somehow the remedy is to stop playing with yourself, there's no other way around it, that has to be it!

And here's your last post


Still on the fence regarding these concepts?
I thought you said "you be you", but you are insisting again that everyone has to make a choice and follow you on your own path, for some reason?



Try watching this video as a beginner guide. It will tell you how your sexual habits may very well be DESTROYING your potential in terms spiritual ascension/harmony!

Not even going to tell you all that is wrong with this religious touched statement. It speaks for itself (WHY ARE YOU YELLING!)



(Though who am I to say - according to many posters here, it's unrealistic for me to have any spiritual sense whatsoever, due to the way I'm typing! I don't have any charisma, either, apparently. It's all in my head. Drat! :()

More resentment, it's painfully visible



Once you're through with the video, check out the materials in the first post to dive even further in! If you give it a try, and manage to properly transmute your sexual energy - your life will truly never be the same!

Please understand that most guys here are way beyond your own experiences in life at this point and you are trying to educate them when they are looking from way beyond. Have you stopped to think for a moment, since you already said you are not the first one thinking about this, that a lot of the guys here already went through that and possibly found something beyond and are perfectly happy and don't want to turn back 20/30 years in time to be in their mid 20s again just so you can have some followers on your religious based theory of purity and ascension?



Or, if you're satisfied with the trajectory of your life, just keep masturbating and having casual sex to scratch that materialistic lower-body sexual addiction itch. The path you choose is really completely up to you!

More conditioning lol, and yes you said that they should just do whatever they want several times, but that's not what you really want, it shows through the words dude :)

I know you don't care about my opinion since i'm not "the target" of this thread. But just think about it for a moment, if i can see these things, what do the guys over here can see that i can't?

You know, the writing style does have a lot to do, you did not come as charismatic, you came as arrogant and lacking on something that you were trying to replace or artificially reproduce, i can see and 'feel' it, and other people can too

It just doesn't come natural, and the best way to talk to people is just natural talk, not elaborated posts that attempt to do a mind job on people to 'filter' out some of them so that the ones that are failing/ill/in anxiety or any other weakened state that you previously carefully described allow themselves to be controlled by hope and faith so they find 'cure' of all the evils in your semi-religious no-earthly-sin proposal

Possibly, but i could not know for sure, is that you continually try to come on top of everyone else, just read your own words again, constantly pushing hard that you have some kind of higher living experience than other guys, because you said so and you think so. And then you expect them to somehow drop everything and follow you on this path you discovered not long ago, it sounds so odd, you just can't see it because it's coming from you, but from the outside...

You are trying to impose you way so hard, that you driving people away, no one will listen, trust me, i have done the same mistake before :happythumbsup:

Anyways, you probably hate me at this time and that's totally fine, wish you well and if you want to chat we could, or not. But if we do, please be natural, and drop that 'poor little people need to be told what they're missing" act.

Uom veram dirim da
Uom veram verom

:cocktail:
--

Masha

[Strat]

Chihuahuas are very confident when they are stuck inside with the house cats...

Wax, I'm putting in my application to be your unofficial older brother.

[Mashika]

Chihuahuas are very confident when they are stuck inside with the house cats...

Wax, I'm putting in my application to be your (pseudo) older brother.

Well, if i may say, you do have natural charisma that could be transmitted, that i can say :P

:bolt::drama:
:cocktail:

[Hym]

Masha, You're awesome!

I DO super appreciate the insight of a woman, so apparently young, yet so wise and able to speak so fluently, so much to the point, to the heart of the matter in a language other than the one she grew up learning. Amazing!

I appreciate your calling out a narcissist with your insight of many lifetimes.

I really couldn't give a care about addressing aggressive and judgmental posts, but I do notice the real message of understanding creative energy being limited to the release of sperm. The creative energy of a male is not bound by the retention or release of an ejaculate. That is just the beginning and an external and limited view, likely bound by some other energy.

Others posted a wide variety of experiential insights and suggestions but not once do we see any understanding. The very odd thing about the judgmental and self-aggrandizing attitude is that some of us have lived, and are living, the life he has posted about, without all of the showboating.

It makes anyone wonder where all of that focus is going. I don't know, except that it clearly isn't being used to find the power of humility. Maybe the problem is that we didn't kiss ass. This forum is the wrong place to project that on so many who have come to share, grow, learn, and enjoy the company, with many challenges included amongst each other and welcomed.

How someone can't perceive the lives some of us here have lived and turn it into a cloaked, and pseudo-intellectual attack tells us all much more about the intent, the personal messaging, than the subject matter itself. I really don't give a F about someone so deaf, but then it's obvious that attitude is self-sustaining. Talking about mental masturbation and stroking your own ego would have been more to the point.

Yes, many of us have gone thru the thread's suggestions as life choices, without the preachy shyte. There are so many ways to get an idea, an energetic insight across other than all of that ego-filled crap. I agree, to be more accurate, I have lived and still live with those things so offensively, defensively, and aggressively stated. You can't sell to us what some of us already have.

Looking at such an inexperienced perception from one who has not done what was suggested for anywhere near the decades some of us have, I wonder if that preachy approach will serve the lessons of the soul. No matter, I'm not here to preach to a preacher, just call out the b.s.. Is there a definition of a dick bigger than an unchecked and immature ego, not yet integrated into living beyond the lower senses? And is there any bigger one than one whose bragging overwhelms the message?

When someone puts that out here, on this forum, it seems they are trying to set up a very judgmental series of posts, which is easy to see. You don't like it here, you're more than welcome to sell your vision elsewhere. I can sense the hatred in your 'better-than-others' posts. You want to get one up on the people and their insights on this forum? Then grow out of the ego you're stroking and live. You are welcome, like all of the rest of us mere immortals living mortal lives.

I'm putting a small bit of a long post I recently added from Bill's April Fools parody, edited to the extreme 3 or 4 times longer than my original post, where I referenced an obvious insight that many of us have here about the incongruity of threads like this one. Tho it was tangental to the funny April Fools thread Bill posted about going all woke and sjw, I spent a moment riffing about the content on this thread.

In this extremely long post I wrote, over a very long and busy day, I claimed to be a moderator moderating my own excesses, but one of the two subjects was on what I got from reading the interactions on this thread....


"(Fictitious Mod Note:

Okay now, Hymmy. That's quite enough of this over-editing stuff. There are a few threads here on Project Avalon that are full of over-editing. We suggest you satisfy the creative urge, one that seems to be your own personal demiurge, by frolicking on one of those.

And no, we don't mean the ejaculation preservation thread. We have left that to brew with the author's own rare, self sustaining, energetic, audio-free responses. In case you didn't notice it, many honest and heartfelt understandings of the issue were met with a boatload of 'I could give a F**Ks' on that thread.

Tho we here on the Crew know, by your responses, that you have a much more humane outlook on matters of the ego, We Do measure the quality of F**Ks, nurturing and destructive alike, and on this we are not neutral.

On that pertinent note.....
We all personally prefer Mike's 'Satan's Own' thread when we want to be slapped upside our ego's, but then....that's us. At the very least, "My balls is hot" BallZBub offers some condolences for the suffering.

Yes, that's us, the Mod Crew here. We may not be slim or super-duper healthy, we may even be bed sleeping bums, but We Too are Awesome, just in different ways that only insight, humility and balls, or ovaries, Not Age, can nurture.)"

From deep inside of the excessively long editing foray Hym put into Post #42:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114462-An-Important-Announcement-about-Forum-Usernames&p=1419601&viewfull=1#post1419601

Again, I am so appreciative that I can enjoy the insights of so many people like Mashika!!!!!

[onawah]

I agree that Gigi Young is a good source of spiritual information.
I lost track of the conversation of this thread a couple of pages back, but if the points that the OP has been trying to make about modern sexuality concur with what Gigi says in the video Tantra, Sex Magick and Sacred Sexuality, , then I would have to concur.


Still on the fence regarding these concepts? Try watching this video as a beginner guide. It will tell you how your sexual habits may very well be DESTROYING your potential in terms spiritual ascension/harmony! (Though who am I to say - according to many posters here, it's unrealistic for me to have any spiritual sense whatsoever, due to the way I'm typing! I don't have any charisma, either, apparently. It's all in my head. Drat! :()

Once you're through with the video, check out the materials in the first post to dive even further in! If you give it a try, and manage to properly transmute your sexual energy - your life will truly never be the same!

Or, if you're satisfied with the trajectory of your life, just keep masturbating and having casual sex to scratch that materialistic lower-body sexual addiction itch. The path you choose is really completely up to you!

P.S. Would highly recommend all of Gigi Young's stuff, especially the Isis Rising series she did!

[iota]

i've only read a couple of posts and don't have time, energy nor inclination to do more than that .. because this is kind of a "been there ... done that ... way over that" issue for me

BUT OMG the level of attack is both extraordinary and a lark!!

so ... here are my two cents worth

WAX is telling the truth people

like it or not

and obviously, you don't

the man is telling the truth

ABOUT the attraction and magnetism he developed and experienced

and can i just be blunt and say it?

that just because YOU HAVE NOT

and HAVE NEVER

and most likely will leave the planet without having had this experience

didn't automatically make it a LIE

WAX ... why did you tell them?

you know it is one of the things that people (for all their spirituality professed and real) STILL secretly yearn for

and in not having it? cannot conceive that anyone else would

and will HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

IF they had EVER experienced

or come even close to having this experience?

they would not be in such a state of disbelief about it .. and that is just a fact

right people?

for all the ooohs and ahhhs of manifesting and "abilities" the thing that has escaped them could not have conceivably been experienced by another

and i'm sorry guys ... the little that i read ... you all were harsh .. and you ganged up

and i get that he didn't (and i most likely am not) talking the way you want

but when are we going to grow up and realize that people do NOT HAVE TO talk the way that we would want

he was just sharing his truth

and it really, honestly WAS his "truth"

furthermore, the guy was (mistakenly) trying to "help" and share

that alone, should have given him "points" or at least a break of sorts

i WAS going to pipe in early but when Gracy started in immediately with her typical derision and goading of a member
(not going to bother to look it up, but i think she asked for video)

i rolled my eyes, KNOWING she didn't have a clue
had NEVER had the personal experience
and it was going to be BEYOND the scope
or desire of anyone wishing to remain sane
to convince her

and who cared anyway????

so here's the things he said that i KNEW (because i'vd had the same experience) when he said them he was not BSin'g

and again, going from memory here:

1. "energy off the charts" ... it is .. THAT is what is the "attractor" ~ magnet if you will

now he did it by not ejaculating

i just "made it up"

2.) both men and women are attracted

when this gets "turned on" it makes no distinction between men or women NOR even between gay or straight

until you reach Oprah level (a term used to acknowledge the surpassing of a point to such a high degree you soar above HATERS and everyone just conceeds "you're it")

anyway, until then?

it pisses EVERYONE off

men friends, women friends, gay friends, straight friends

at first its a novelty (like him, i wasn't "born" with it) so when it happens, at first its a novelty then they get pissed off

can't help themselves for hating ...
its a typical and standard form of projection
its not like most people are going to take a good hard look at their own insecurities so they will project them onto you

3.) he made the comment somewhere "they couldn't if they tried"

ONLY someone who has REALLY attained THAT level of magnetism is going to have a thought like that

as, i've already stated, you start to deal with people's projections
they start to say stupid things like

"well ... i would never .............. (insert women or men here)

i just want a good woman or man" or something to that effect
like they are spiritually above such yearnings

and ONLY someone who CAN and DOES attract whoever they want
and really tons they do not even want?

will have the thought:

"Sweetie, that's a darned good stance for you to have, because you couldn't if you tried"

arrogant?

yes i KNOW .. THAT is the point

you're NOT THAT arrogant without having had THAT experience

if you haven't had THAT experience?

you're in the lot of disbelievers
or
the lot who tell themselves they haven't because they did not want to

whatever

the point is ... to have THAT thought?

THAT level of arrogance?

you HAVE ACTUALLY had that experience

:bearhug:

it is stupid and unproductive use of time and energy so don't waste time bemoaning missing out on that experience

truly truly without merit or value

what WOULD be a good exercise is to operate in TRUTH

like admit this is a "secret yearning" and then explore WHY?

what is the SOURCE of that?

for me? it is a HUGE red flag anytime i'm basking in the validation of another
OR giving the invalidation another gives any merit

it is WHY i terminated this ...

something to be wary of

NOT seek after

like a trap one can be EASILY ensnared in

i'm embarrassed, not proud of this experience

:bearhug:

WAX!!!!!


you know how you are trying to convince them to conserve their energy?

conserve yours

why waste your time trying to convince them of something they cannot even fathom????

[iota]

i piped in ... because i hate it when people gang up ... and everyone i'm sure had their points ..

but its just like i tell the young people:

"don't let them take your rights away! they will tell you its "For a good reason"

"good reason" does NOT give ANYONE the RIGHT to dominate you!"

same here ...

so he wasn't humble

again, not that it can be fathomed, but people with THAT experience are generally NOT known for "being humble"

it was just another "Tell" that he was indeed speaking his TRUTH

:sherlock:

now, THAT was the second reason i piped in

this bit of WANTING
INSISTING
almost to the point of FORCING

people to CONFORM their behavior has ALMOST DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY

i know people here think it was the fraud
or
the powers that be
or
whatever "external force" flavor of the moment is responsible for the state of affairs

but i differ in opinion

i submit that it is OUR willingness to accept things as long as they "sound" ok

as long as they SAY them in a way we find "acceptable"

palatable

some of this humbleness demanded here
or
"politeness" perhaps

THINK on this for a moment

where does TRUTH factor in?

the elected officials we have do NOT HAVE to BE honest people

they just HAVE TO SOUND like honest people

WE have decided that as long as we are placated

WE WILL AGREE TO BE LIED TO

a truly sad and pathetic state of affairs if you ask me

Me> i'll take honesty over flowery lies ANY TIME

it is a TRUE DISRESPECT to "put on" for people

it is saying: "you are NOT big enough person to handle the truth"

QUITE a LETHAL game everyone is agreeing to play

i want NO part of it

[Gracy]

I don't see any hating, forcing, or ganging up going on here; just people sharing information, opinions, and not always in agreement.

Non agreement is allowed.

[iota]

I don't see any hating, forcing, or ganging up going on here; just people sharing information, opinions, and not always in agreement.

Non agreement is allowed.

#1. that's a LIE

or are you are going to ask anyone to believe you don't "see" what you habitually do?

YOU were one of the first to start it

and you were the first to admit in writing publicly that HATE is the basis for responses to people you disagree with

none of us had ever gone t to that level before YOU brought it up

or as far as i know, coming from THAT place

YOU were the ONLY one expressing

HATE as present

and yes ... bringing it here ... so that it was present here

i NOW "see" it where before i did not

perhaps something you should REALLY "look" into and TRY "to see" what is the source of that?

#2 not only is it predictable that you would say that?
it is predictable that you would be on your best behavior right now


but SOUNDING "innocent" does NOT become you

it was the SECOND part of my post ~ the fact that people are NOT operating in TRUTH

but in outright deception that everyone will just PRETEND and "go along" with AS long as IT SOUNDS good

what IS the Truth is that a major portion of your posts online are:

DIVISIVE
DISPARIGING
MOCKING
OPPOSITIONAL
INSULTING
and

ABSOLUTELY DISAGREEING

you do this on the FIRST post
then on responses you know they are being watched and you are "careful"

often the second posts sound eeerily suspiciously like the response was well thought out BEFORE anyone responded

so ... yea ... you made sure NOTHING in this response could be held against you

i mean except for the fact that it is an outright LIE

it was WORDED to SOUND good

#3 i am amazed at how it is that you manage to keep up at all in this FORUM

if i had the time, (and i'm growing closer TO BE inclined)
to look up ALL of your posts and count

i wonder HOW many times you have posted the words:

"I don't see __________________"

i honestly, just do my own thing, i do not keep up with you

yet i CONTINUOUSLY run into you on threads i frequent saying EXACTLY

"i don't see ________________"

"i don't think ________________"

and i wonder how it is that you manage life in any viable way at all

i mean "NOT SEEING" or understanding ANYTHING?

#4 you want to know what I DO NOT SEE?

i do NOT SEE how someone whose title is supposed to be one that represents:

1. a stabilizing force on the forum

instead CONTINUOUSLY and habitually and CONSISTENTLY

comes in and DISRUPTS

2.) a SAFE space

instead IS THE VERY ONE MOCKING or ridiculing members

3.) UNITY and HARMONY

is DIVISIVE, DISAGREEABLE, CHALLENGING

it is like if i had a child i was attempting to train in HOW TO BEHAVE?

i would pull YOU up as an example of

HOW NOT TO BEHAVE

i'd have to say:

we strive for TRUTH > NOT LIES

we speak honestly but > NOT antagonistically

we defend the downcast > NOT ATTACK

we respect > NOT ridicule, mock, derision

again, we speak TRUTH > not PRETEND to "not see" to try to JUSTIFY or RATIONALIZE

i taught my children that if they felt the need to justify or rationalize?
"
that it was their BEHAVIOR that needed changing
and an exploration of WHY they were acting this way
what was the SOURCE of the upset
what wounds needed to be healed

i'm not expecting you to understand ANY of this

i mean we have post after post after post

of you declaring how you:

"Don't see"

"Don't understand" asking (expecting) people to explain things to you

so again, what i DO NOT see?

is HOW this is acceptable behavior for an admin

i personally know of members both who have left

and expressed the desire TO leave because of YOU

GREAT JOB as an admin Gracy!

[Gracy]

Mod hat on

I hope you feel better now iota, it's good to let it out.

And now:

:focus:

[iota]

Mod hat on

I hope you feel better now iota, it's good to let it out.

And now:

:focus:

darn it ... left out ... just to NOT overstate a point and all

#5 when your behavior is CLEARLY inexcusabe

AND

you lack the capacity to respond?

you throw your weight around

MODS HAT

and no Gracy,

i thought i had made it abundantly CLEAR

since AGAIN you DO NOT "understand"?

INTERACTIONS WITH YOU ARE VERY UNPLEASANT

WHY would i FEEL better?

and #2

now it is I who does NOT understand?

EXPLAIN The purpose of MODS HAT

to say "i hjope you feel better"

WHY is a MODS hat needed?

is that a:

"i have put on my hat of 'authority' on and am NOW throwing my weight around"?

so in other words:

SHUT UP?

#6

you DO realize that you did it AGAIN, right?

like you just can't help yourself

you were DERISIVE, mocking a member

TAUNTING

because there is NOTHING about your current behavior

nor PAST behavior

to lend ANY credibility to the statement that

YOU HOPE i FEEL better

i'd have to call that ANOTHER lie

and no need for "MODS HAT" if that were anywhere in the vicinity of TRUTH

PLUS ... AGAIN

WHY ARE YOU A MOD?

and how is this acceptable?

[Gracy]

Once again iota:

:focus:

[iota]

Once again iota:

:focus:

should i pull out YOUR quote of YOU saying:

"i'll POST AS I PLEASE WHEREVER I PLEASE"

is that like for admins only?

because, again, the point has ALREADY been made

you ONLY have the TITLE of "admin"

you do NOT in fact, BEHAVE as an admin

so YOUR behavior would NOT be an exemplary one to follow

[Gracy]

Once again iota:

:focus:

should i pull out YOUR quote of YOU saying:


"i'll POST AS I PLEASE WHEREVER I PLEASE"

is that like for admins only?

because, again, the point has ALREADY been made

you ONLY have the TITLE of "admin"

you do NOT in fact, BEHAVE as an admin

so YOUR behavior would NOT be an exemplary one to follow

Perhaps on topic needs to be explained. This is a topic oriented forum, meaning threads are based upon varying topics of conversation, with the goal being to keep conversations on, or close to, the topic an original poster designates.

Posting as I please necessarily means I try to stay on topic, while saying whatever I please on said topic; that doesn’t mean you have to like it, and it has zero to do with some sort of staff privilege.

On the other hand, your parade of insults are not only against forum rules, they have ZERO to do with this topic at hand so I’m asking you, yet again:

:focus:

[JackMcThorn]

Ben Franklin wrote his 13 virtues in his early 2os. He said they are constantly a work in progress.

12. Chastity. Rarely use venery but for health or offspring, never to dullness, weakness, or the injury of your own or another’s peace or reputation.

The rest of Franklin's Virtues can be found here:
http://franklinsway.com/benjamin-franklins-13-virtues/

[bobme]

I am not here to judge the op, nor anyone else.

Just to give an example of my own encounter with someone of similar ideas of celibacy.

they were told on a website,that if you do not practice celibacy, you cannot ascend. sorry,but the web site was not given to me. my thought on the matter did not matter to them. they were right, I was wrong. period.

I was said to be full of parasites, possessed of archons,reptillians,& a number of other evil creatures for even suggesting that the person may have an addiction to the ascending culture.

I am not into celibacy. Guess I have no chance to ascend:facepalm:

Just asking that question has put a bullseye upon me. Living it to this day.

[Mike]

I don't care about ascension. I don't even know what it is exactly. I don't think anyone does.

Why would I forfeit something so pleasurable for some abstract, nebulous notion of 'ascension'? It requires an enormous sacrfice and an act of faith that makes almost zero sense

So I can be charming and charismatic? So I won't feel awkward in front of people? So people of both sexes will desire me?

One sex desiring me occasionally is good enough for me! Lol. And if I want to be charming and charismatic, I just flip the switch and do that silly dance, even if I've jerked off 3 times that day. It doesn't stop me. But the whole motivation for that type of thing is to get laid, in general, so there's a lack of circular logic to this whole no ejaculating thing that I'm having a hard time grappling with

But, of course I've heard of these benefits that are described in the OP. And perhaps there's something to them. But it all honestly sounds like a sales pitch, like someone telling me I can regrow my hair for 49.99 a month. So, for Wax, good on you mate. Glad it works for you. But I'm not quite sold yet.

[bobme]

It is never sold to me Mike.

[DeDukshyn]

I have been at both ends of the spectrum ... maybe I can help explain some of this.

During longer periods without orgasm / ejaculation, I've never gained any superpowers, massive amounts of charisma, didn't ascend, etc.

But I have also had periods where it was probably a bit of an addiction. I wasn't just doing it because I was really horny, I was doing it out of boredom, addiction, to feel "better' etc. But in these cases it dragged me down, kinda like many addictions can. It saps your energy, you gain some subconscious guilt, you lose creative energy, you lose motivation, etc. It really does have a negative effect.

But then when you get out of those cycles, you gain your creativity back, normal sex drive comes back, the addiction and negative mental impacts that come with that subside, your motivation strengthens, and guess what? It feels like you've gained superpowers and super charisma, (still not sure about that ascension claim though, lol) because the previous state had been normalized and the contrast between the two creates a feeling of superiority.

I think there might be appropriate times to masturbate, but those times are where the horniness is extremely strong and the energy cannot be redirected into creative endeavours. One doesn't want any type of energetic blockage.

At the same time, doing it outside of these instances, is a drain on creative energy which does have other effects, and plus the potential for addiction and other issues arise.

I don't think its any more special or complicated than this.

EDIT to add: Just as an anecdote, I have noticed that I tend to lucid dream more, when I orgasm less. Considering that sexual energy is creative energy and orgasming less allows it to build up a bit, this makes sense to me.

[iota]

I am not here to judge the op, nor anyone else.

sorry for delayed response was momentarily "banned"

Just to give an example of my own encounter with someone of similar ideas of celibacy.

they were told on a website,that if you do not practice celibacy, you cannot ascend. sorry,but the web site was not given to me. my thought on the matter did not matter to them. they were right, I was wrong. period.

I was said to be full of parasites, possessed of archons,reptillians,& a number of other evil creatures for even suggesting that the person may have an addiction to the ascending culture.

Just asking that question has put a bullseye upon me. Living it to this day.

from my understanding, and i'm in no way an expert, so i can only share information i've come across and then personal application:

celibacy DOES increase the conservation of energy ..

our "light"

our ESSENCE

it is generally known that each sexual encounter will lead to an exchange at the very least

it was espoused by the apostle Paul

but Paul is "suspect" in my eyes, for many reasons, and topic for another thread. i mention it here, because it was HIS ideology and philosophy that was the basis (at least cited as such, we know they always have ulterior hidden motives) for the stringent requirements placed on Catholic clergy

the whole thing DOES seem to have "energy" or light as its foundation

sooooo....

if one is being celibate? then it would follow that one's energy IS being conserved

and THAT would follow an increase in "magnetism", if you will

i'm sorry that people tried to FORCE their indoctrination upon you

it seems to BE the rule on this version of our reality

a CONSTANT and CONTINUAL struggle between those who want to CONTROL and DOMINATE

and those who find themselves in an ever increasing NEED to defend and protect their sovereignty

i bring this up ... so we can be aware and DENY such attempts

i've said and written millions of words in my life.... but keep mentioning to people that when i die, there is just this one quote i'd like to be credited for
(and never mind "credit" but kinda .. submit for consideration?)



"BETRAYAL of One's SELF

IS betrayal nonetheless

and it is betrayal of THE HIGHEST form"


meaning at NO time should ANY external force or authority trump ours

AND to think on THAT > AS BETRAYAL

cause it is

of ourSELF

it is hard to break away from external pressure to conform but there is NO FREEDOM or POWER within those constructs

back to the topic of "light" or "energy"

i kinda was going to ask people here

how is it that they have NOT experienced this "magnetism"

i'm not talking on the scale that WAX was or i > that is like a stratospheric other dimension level

BUT SOME??????

the reason i was going to ask is because i believe many here to be on a spiritual path

like not pretense, for real

AND as their energy and light increased they SHOULD have noticed an increase in this magnetisim i speak of

it just naturally draws people to you

they both feel safe AND that in and of itself IS an attraction

but celibacy is NOT the only way

though certainly it IS one

it happens automatically as we get "lighter"

like when i was training seminar leaders? it didn't involve spirituality at all

but we were ALL busy "Cleaning up" our mess

our wounds
the unhealed parts we were still hanging onto

and THAT made people "lighter"

i would ALWAYS warn them, (because YES, to ME? This is something to be wary of ... NOT seen as a "benefit")

that as their light and personal power increased?

SO would they unexpectedly find people being attracted to them

i told them:

"it is the LIGHT operating THROUGH you

do NOT be confused and think now that
THAT > is YOU!"

it is one of the traps we all have to deal with

and this particular one has MANY ENDLESS levels'

like validation
and self worth
and retaining power or giving it away

personal convicitions
using personal power to serve others??
or benefit?

all the way down to the basic fundamental questions of WHO and WHAT we are in fact

it is DEEP DEEP well
with LOTS of TRAPS that can EASILY ensnare us at ANY point

sometimes i wonder if i didn't forgoe and terminate that because i did NOT trust myself
or because i did NOT WANT to continuously" DEAL with the "Challenges"/temptations
as in NOT having that is the path of least resistance and all

i don't know
i allowed myself the experience and put myself through it and came out relatively unscathed

though i seriously doubt i would put myself in that position again
joshie's gone and i'm tired

PLUS i'm not ACTING uninterested in sex

I AM now uninterested

i'm NOT ACTING like i don't want people attracted to me

i DO NOT WANT people attracted to me

i love people, honestly i do, but they ALL take a toll sometimes

and relationships?

OMG never ending toll

i'm just in a different space right now

ALL spaces serve their purpose

and ALL of us have our own path we must follow

btw

neither of these ways was how I 'did it'

but not sure i want to talk about it ... more embarrassing than bragging rights if you know what i mean

what i mean by that is talking about PRETENSE?

i would REALLY like to pretend i've always been "Above that sort of base thoughts and desires"

so ... NOT my finest moment by all means

in my defense, i had an EXTRAORDINARY good looking partner that WAS born like that

and as much as i was good natured in dealing with it ... and yes, at times feeling VERY insecure?

i guess at one point i decided that I WANTED to be the center of attention for once

again, to my credit, i got over it quickly

but it WAS a surreal experience

i STLL maintain is a TRAP

one to avoid!!! not seek after!

BUT if that is what one CHOOSES to seek after?

i kinda have to agree with Mike ...

what is the point? if not to enjoy its "fruits"?
:blushing:

[onawah]

Moderation in all things is a good rule, one that the Buddha encouraged, we are told.
And we must also remember in such conversations that every individual is different.
As a rule, young men have a bigger problem with sex drive than most others, to be sure, and more stringent methods of self control may be necessary.
But abstention and celibacy are not necessarily the best things for everyone.

If you really want to clean up your act, there are indeed other ways of doing it.
I was on a vegan diet of primarily live, sprouted, fermented organic foods for a number of years, doing a lot of juicing and taking a lot of super food supplements, working out regularly and spending a lot of time in meditation and in Nature.
It was wonderfully cleansing and healing, I had a lot of energy and it was clear that people were much more drawn to me both energetically and physically.
I was celibate, more because I couldn't find any suitable partners than by choice. But I wasn't really looking for a partner either , though I'm not sure how that figured into it.
I think I was intending to take a break from romantic entanglements as well, which made it easier to stay on track.

As a woman, the idea of celibacy in men tends to trigger me a bit, as I imagine it does for a lot of women.
But I genuinely find the energy of many monks I've met (and I've met many) to be rather repellant, and I'm pretty sure it's got to do with their abstention, as well as celibacy.
I'm not sure if that's because there is often an element of mysogny in their reasons for choosing that kind of life, but I would not be at all surprised.
I don't doubt that many men take such vows because they dislike or are afraid of women.

Women have been portrayed over these primarily patriarchal ages very unfavorably, and in so many religions, as being inferior and "unclean", as temptresses and/or virtual energy-sucking succubi for men, or nothing more than baby-making machines, second class citizens, and as more animalistic than men because of childbearing.
So much so that simply refraining from interaction with women is still a sign of holiness or superiority to many men.
This creates a disconnect within themselves, as well as to much of the rest of humanity, and certainly to the Divine Feminine.
It also creates a lot of very unholy behavior, such as has been revealed in recent years in the Catholic Church.
Suppressing sexual energy can be harmful, there's no guarantee that suppressing will result in redirecting or sublimation.

Sex can be both sacred and profane, a waste of time and energy, or a wonderful way of connecting with the Divine.
And a lot depends on what chakras each individual is manifesting from.
If we are cut off from our physical manifestation and need to experience the sensations of the first and second chakras to be grounded, lots of sex might well be in order.
If we are desirous of reaching higher levels of expression such as the fifth, sixth and sevenths chakras of devotion, intuition and imagination, raising that kundalini energy would be the appropriate thing.

Not all sex is about orgasm.
It can also be about affection, adoration, emotional support, eroticism, and achieving Oneness with another being, and through them, Oneness with God.
It can also be a way of wounding, trivializing, degrading and dehumanizing.

It's just not a simple subject at all, and I think that may be why this thread has gone off the rails so often.

[iota]

GRACY!

deleting posts in PA is pretty much against the rules

as a mod, well a good one at least, one puts obligations to uphold ideals above personal petty inclinations

such as blocking me from this thread for doing so little less than YOU have done and
(i WILL now take the time to produce your posts to substantiate my statements if necessary.)

followed by a MAJOR infraction for this forum

deleting my post

it was for you to UPHOLD NOT break the rules in CLEAR abuse of your authority and privilege,

it is ONLY ONE of the MANY infractions that you routinely engage in AS A MOD specifically referenced in the post you deleted
(a statement for which i can ALSO provide AMPLE documentation)

if you cannot separate your personal feelings nor exercise restraint in the use of your power and authority?
the wisdom to permit you to have either is certainly in question

i'm requesting that you PUT my post back

and that the issues i addressed therein, be FULLY addressed by the staff

in it i addressed the fact that a moderator would be the example of

STABILITY

NOT > DISRUPTIVE

a SAFE space

NOT a Source of ATTACK, RIDICULE, MOCKING, INSULTS, ANTAGONIZING and GOADING or BAITING members

one whose presence and actions would inspire UNITY

NOT > DVISION, STRIFE, UNPLEASANT

and YET you see fit to mock someone whom i consider EXEMPALRY in behavior and one you might reconsider modeling INSTEAD of insulting and mocking publicly (which by the way? is DISRESPECT)





Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

With respect Bill. :nod:

After basically branding this person the village idiot for their views by referring to them as "Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.)", they really do deserve you say just a bit more with at least a hint of a reason for why that is.

It's not much of a debate gotcha moment just informing the audience your opponent is dead wrong in everything they say, and then taking a bow.No, it really was uninformed. I'll leave others to pick it all up point by point (and there were many points) — if they have the time and energy.

I don't enjoy political debate. It's almost always unproductive. Very very rarely will anyone ever say: "Hey, thanks for explaining that, I see now that I was mistaken."

Best then just to club the other person over the head with a sudden barrage of insults before a topic friendly audience, and call it a wrap.


That's the example you wish to set Bill?

Because that is the example you're setting here, it's perfectly okay to do this and not back it up with the slightest of anything.

post here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114839-Biden-voters-and-supporters.-How-is-it-going&p=1425738&viewfull=1#post1425738

to be CLEAR i also suggest you master a greater understanding of the ENGLISH language before you attempt to comment

for example:

"Laughable and uninformed"

MEANS > "Laughable and uninformed"

there is ABSOLUTELY NO translation of those two terms to equate YOUR ACCUSATION of:

"VILLAGE IDIOT"

as in like ZERO, i actually have stuided the ENGLISH language have a degree of mastery over it ... and i can UNEQUIVOABLY assert

NONE

as is the case for




Once again iota:

:focus:

should i pull out YOUR quote of YOU saying:


"i'll POST AS I PLEASE WHEREVER I PLEASE"

so YOUR behavior would NOT be an exemplary one to follow


Posting as I please necessarily means I try to stay on topic, while saying whatever I please on said topic; that doesn’t mean you have to like it, and it has zero to do with some sort of staff privilege.

"i'll POST AS I PLEASE WHEREVER I PLEASE"

can in NO WAY be equated to mean:

"Posting as I please


" necessarily means I try to stay on topic,"

while saying whatever I please on said topic; that doesn’t mean you have to like it, and it has zero to do with some sort of staff privilege.

it ABSOLUTELY does NOT mean THAT

it actually means the opposite

NO > "necessarily staying on topic" at ALL

""i'll POST AS I PLEASE WHEREVER I PLEASE"

ACTUALLY a complete disregard of it in fact

anyway, just put the post back

i would NOT be addressing you if YOU had not taken this action

[iota]

Gracy,

i did not know who you were when i was BRAND new here, and as a moderator you saw me as an easy target for your derision.

it was not a great welcome, and that IS your function is it not?

nor have your subsequent actions and engagements proven positive nor had the capacity to BE positive

i'm not clear why you made that choice with me and have continued to do so, but you CANNOT make that choice repeatedly with ME

THEN HIDE behind your authority as a mod AND take action (in abuse of your power) to PREVENT me from the response to YOUR engagement

the fact that this is a REPEATED offense on your part is evidenced here by another, long time respected member making the SAME request that i just made

he is not given to hyperbole and would not have made the request if it was NOT a practiced you have engaged in MULTIPLE times

quoting SATORI here:

"Gracy May. Don’t you dare put on you mod hat on this thread. You cannot weigh in on a thread and then put on your mod hat in that thread to admonish posts you disagree with. You cannot be both an advocate and the judge of what is proper from other advocates on the same thread."

reference post here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114839-Biden-voters-and-supporters.-How-is-it-going&p=1425617&viewfull=1#post1425617

as i stated earlier, i pretty much do my own thing, never kept up with you and not sure what fascination i held for you to merit continuous pursuit of engagement with me .. nor did i care

but ~ you have my attention now
:flower:

[Chris Gilbert]

Mod Note: Closed temporarily pending review.