THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

[bashi]

Dear Bill,
I'm sorry to be so insistent but what kind of reaction were you or him expecting? Based on your comment, our responses have been inadequate in some form so I conclude that Charles would feel threatened? Perhaps disappointed? Sad?

A person used to deal with situations out of "norm" for us and used to "fix" problems wouldn't stand our skepticism?



If i would be Charles, by now i would be MAD AS HELL.
It seems you guys are showing NO understanding for people much different than internet-bloggers.
Have you heard of self-respect? These people have a lot of this (maybe too much), because that is needed to be brave and fearless.
For people which are used to kick ass (so to speak), this type of response is just UNBEARABLE.
Forget the idea of Charles replying directly on this forum. Just forget it ...

[Ahkenaten]

So Bashi - OK, for clarification -do you think then that there is "an appropriate" response of Avalon members to this interview? I personally have no problem with being open to dialogue it is just that - for me - I am not convinced of the authenticity and credibility of "Charles." Authenticity and credibility are a little different than wanting them to like me or me liking them. If Charles is NOT an ambassador from 33 or TPTB, then what are we dialoguing about? If he IS it would seem to me that a little more in the way of establishing trust and veracity needs to be done and if the other side is sincere - it seems they would respect that. Picture yourself locked in mortal combat with an adversary as an example and this adversary has expressed the intention of eliminating billions of human beings. Suddenly the adversary sends an ambassador to establish a dialogue. Wouldn't the first item be establishing the identity of the ambassador? Wouldn't his identity need to be vetted out FIRST before the exchange proceeded to the next step? That seems only basic diplomacy 101 to me. It would seem if the other side was sincere they would fully expect serious interrogation on this FIRST important point. Again - this is only me personally. So, you are saying I should set my concerns aside and move directly into dialogue, and that if I do not feel comfortable I am not properly rising to greatness? Taking my scenario further, what if the Ambassador, if not properly examined, turned out to be a poseur sent to purposefully misdirect my people. Would it not be my job, in the interests of my people, to thoroughly satisfy myself on the first point, credibility before proceeding? Because this is a Forum with many people and divergent points of view, isn't it putting an awful lot on both Bill and Charles to satisfy us on that point in an initial interview? With My Warmest Regards - Ahk

[truth will win out]

Didn't know I was a victim for stating a fact about being lied too,I chose to think for myself and form my own opinions... First off your the first to engage me so I would say your tone isn't loving and meaningful at all. carry on.

[bashi]

So Bashi - OK, for clarification -do you think then that there is "an appropriate" response of Avalon members to this interview? I personally have no problem with being open to dialogue it is just that - for me - I am not convinced of the authenticity and credibility of "Charles." Authenticity and credibility are a little different than wanting them to like me or me liking them. If Charles is NOT an ambassador from 33 or TPTB, then what are we dialoguing about? If he IS it would seem to me that a little more in the way of establishing trust and veracity needs to be done and if the other side is sincere - it seems they would respect that. Picture yourself locked in mortal combat with an adversary as an example and this adversary has expressed the intention of eliminating billions of human beings. Suddenly the adversary sends an ambassador to establish a dialogue. Wouldn't the first item be establishing the identity of the ambassador? Wouldn't his identity need to be vetted out FIRST before the exchange proceeded to the next step? That seems only basic diplomacy 101 to me. It would seem if the other side was sincere they would fully expect serious interrogation on this FIRST important point. Again - this is only me personally. So, you are saying I should set my concerns aside and move directly into dialogue, and that if I do not feel comfortable I am not properly rising to greatness? Taking my scenario further, what if the Ambassador, if not properly examined, turned out to be a poseur sent to purposefully misdirect my people. Would it not be my job, in the interests of my people, to thoroughly satisfy myself on the first point, credibility before proceeding? Because this is a Forum with many people and divergent points of view, isn't it putting an awful lot on both Bill and Charles to satisfy us on that point in an initial interview? With My Warmest Regards - Ahk

How will you do the vetting, by running in circles on the forum without input from Bill or Charles?
Can't we operate on a basis of "suspended judgement"?
Do you think Bill has been brainwashed, so that he has become one of Them? :p

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[Anchor]

Further to my earlier post, I have thought of a third possibility.

I think that the thinking-matrix/complex that we are part of, known as Project Avalon, has been played/probed in an experimental fashion. I actually have a high opinion of this forum as a collection of diverse approaches to discrimination - which when summed and averaged is very powerful.

It is something that probably does present a problem that needs fixing for them. My feeling on this is that we are seeing the research phase of that "fixing" process.

John..

[Ahkenaten]

Bashi - I agree - we seem to be in a pickle here........it seems somewhat analogous to our present dilemma with our "elected" officials in govt to whom responsibilities are delegated, in the US each representative "represents" millions of people and for many of us in the US we do not feel persuaded we are on the collective right path and part of the problem is the structure of the system (delegating responsibility) that got us here................it is clear that there is not consensus in Avalon on this issue unless we, the Avalon members give Bill our 100% endorsement and accept everything on its face. I have no idea what the solution to this issue is.

Suspended judgment seems like a working alternative, albeit not optimal...............I have no idea if Bill is brainwashed and I for one certainly never suggested that!

[Fractalius]

Actually, I disagree - I honestly think it was extremely clever.

I can also understand that thinking too even if it be cognitive dissonance for me to do so.
I would see that as. "Here's a guy, who exhibits the world view we share in a less sophisticated way of presentation."
The scenario here, is there has been an amount of inactivity of material released by you in the past few months, (I had been checking back for the release of the Jordon Maxwell vatican video for some time).
It is expected that there is going to be 'excitement' over something new. And then the topic is this that we are in. The clincher is the concept that not only is the content of the video to be absorbed, but like no other time, we are also supposedly being officially watched for responses. The degree of cleverness in this, is dependant on what exactly is wished to be extracted as litmus, and whether that is a thing that thinks outside of the square or the opposite.
I am just new here. I might add, that I am often direct, but respect everyone for their part they have to play, and do not intend callousness or judgement. Merely pointing out it is either insulting to the intelligence or a test of the intelligence. Either way, without further contact, it is not conducive to proper discussion?

[bashi]

Bashi - I agree - we seem to be a pickle here........it seems somewhat analogous to our present dilemma with our "elected" officials in govt to whom responsibilities are delegated, in the US each representative "represents" millions of people and for many of us in the US we do not feel persuaded we are on the collective right path and part of the problem is the structure of the system (delegating responsibility) that got us here................it is clear that there is not consensus in Avalon on this issue unless we, the Avalon members give Bill our 100% endorsement and accept everything on its face. I have no idea what the solution to this issue is.

Suspended judgment seems like a working alternative, albeit not optimal...............I have no idea if Bill is brainwashed and I for one certainly never suggested that!

We are people with different background and experiences, with Bill being one of the most experienced here. Bill has given Charles his seal of introduction and that should be worth something, isn't it?
I also think that a kind of "suspended judgement" is not optimal, but it is better than skinning the messenger to see his flesh.

Let me tell you that i have recognized a pattern in Charles behaviour, a pattern i have experienced before...

[Elly]

It is acceptable to have doubts and questions. But when I read "psychopath" or "sociopath" as a description of Charles on many posts, I'm just baffled. Based on such limited information on a person, from one interview released only two days ago... To much energy is spent in analyzing- criticizing Charles in my opinion. It's counterproductive.

Bill announced he was planning a comprehensive additional release. He believes this interview is significant. Let's wait and try to understand why. Patience should be expected.

[3optic]

Didn't know I was a victim for stating a fact about being lied too,I chose to think for myself and form my own opinions... First off your the first to engage me so I would say your tone isn't loving and meaningful at all. carry on.

Not all of my interactions are sweet caresses, Truth. Your choice of words painted a an unambiguous picture of victimization. Are we clear on who lied to or manipulated whom? About what? The quote below is for you.

xo

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think the people who are suspicious of Charles may just be taken aback by his mannerisms, but from what I've seen he is pretty standard cockney, which probably translates as 'strange' to people who aren't in the UK lol (I tried to phrase that to be as inoffensive as I could, but I'm sure I've failed)

[Ahkenaten]

Bashi we are certainly all different united I think in our pursuit of truth and in most cases hopes for creating a better world. I am not questioning Bill's judgment in his relationship with 'Charles' - I'm not Bill. It's that simple. I never recommended skinning the messenger........that is not among the traditions I adhere to. Interesting comment about patterns you recognize and I would certainly like to hear more about that if you feel like PM'ing me. As you know I have the utmost respect for you. So shall we proceed with suspended judgment? Ahk

[earthanomaly]

If Charles is an example of who the elite gangsters surround themselves with, then I would say, we ARE in trouble.

By the end of the conversation, I felt that the "people in charge" - whoever they are - really don't know what they are doing. They are the ones who have been in control the whole time- and look at what they have done--pollution, war, famine, destruction. Just because you have technology and access to computer models and data doesn't mean that you will make the correct decisions. It just means that you have more data, are more informed, and you have advantages that others don't.

They are operating from their skewed perspective. They behave as though they are gods. Must be because they have control and money.

They might think they are doing the right thing, but everything they have done up to this point has only benefitted themselves and hurt others. This selfish attitude isn't going to change--even if they are successful in reducing the population to 500 million.

I want to thank you, Bill, for the work you are doing and for the interview regardless of "Charles" legitimacy or factuality of statements. It definitely leaves a lot to our imaginations and hopes.

[qbeac]

It is acceptable to have doubts and questions. But when I read "psychopath" or "sociopath" as a description of Charles on many posts, I'm just baffled. Based on such limited information on a person, from one interview released only two days ago... To much energy is spent in analyzing- criticizing Charles in my opinion. It's counterproductive.

Bill announced he was planning a comprehensive additional release. He believe this interview is significant. Let's wait and try to understand why. Patience should be expected.
I totally agree with Cara. Let's be patient, respectful and don’t rush to conclusions.

[earthanomaly]

"The one who cannot see that on Earth a big endeavor is taking place, an important plan, on which realization we are allowed to collaborate as faithful servants, certainly has to be blind"

...- Winston Churchill

[New Dawn]

After all the bull**** we have had to endure and work through to get to the truth, it is only smart to be weary of new people that come into the picture such as Charles. I trust Bills judgement, but not enough to just disregard my own feelings. We all have to make up out own minds, and respect other peoples opinions. To who-ever suggested that Kerry will make him close up, I disagree; if Kerry was there, he'll either come out with something new that she'll get out of him through her, shall we say, unique method of interviewing, or he'll be made to look like a total fake, which is what I think he is. Bill, thanks very much for your work though, its always appreciated here in sunny old Essex :)

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Eric! He confirmed:



The reality of the plan to set up a false flag event to frame the ETs as hostile.
Full details (with a rationale from the controllers' point of view) of the plan to reduce the world's population.
Confirmation that the human race is an ET genetic project.
Confirmation of ET reality, and the reality of their craft.
A statement that the ET craft had been brought down deliberately (after one or two initial 'lucky hits' in the 1940s).
Confirmation of the existence of the Mars base, and that we're poised to leave the solar system.
Confirmation of the existence of the back-engineered man-made flying triangles.
The existence of the controlling group, with details of their composition and modus operandi.
Confirmation of artifacts on the moon, and confirmation that Arthur C. Clarke knew a great deal.
Quite a bit more - about the way that the insiders operate, and how they think.

That's quite a good value for a whistleblower interview - wouldn't you agree? :)

Consider also that the release of this video was sanctioned (approved).

That's why I was saying in an earlier reply, a couple of days ago, that this was a form of Disclosure (read the above list again!)... just not in the form that we were expecting it in.


I have to say Bill he has confirmed things with you maybe, but for us all he has done is make statements, and statements already made at that.
You will obviously have a much better idea about Charles than us and im hoping you will expand more on why you trust him but to say these claims are confirmed?
Not in my book.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, I’ve just found a very interesting comment about Bill and Charles in the forum section of Benjamin Fulford’s blog. The comment is made by a user called lew3. Since I cannot ask lew3 for his permission to post his comment here because I don’t have access to that forum, I’ll only include here a brief excerpt of his comment, and you may see the rest at the link bellow.

I must say that I have no idea how accurate lew3’s statement is, but in case it was accurate (and we’ll see…???), it would be quite interesting.

For those of you who may not know what lew3 is talking about, the letters “LOC” refer to some kind of “system” to test the good will and positive attitude of a person (generosity, service to self vs service to others, etc.). I don’t understand too well how this system works, or if it really works at all. I believe they use a pendulum or something like that (???), but you’ll have to ask lew3 for the details.

Comment by lew3 on January 2, 2011 @ 5:31 am
Comment by lew3 on January 3, 2011 @ 1:30 pm
http://benjaminfulford.net/2010/12/27/was-george-bush-jr-delivered-a-coffin-as-a-warning/


Brief except of lew3’s comments:

The new Bill Ryan interview is a must view, or listen! Bill’s LOC = 665, which about the same as that of most of us here on Ben’s blog (and Ben, himself).

(…)

As noted earlier, Bill’s LOC = 665. Much to my surprise, Charles’ LOC = 644! I tested several times last night and today with the same result. So I tested for Charles’ LOC last August, just before he met Bill. The result was 445. One year earlier it was 345. One more year earlier it was 235 and it was the same going back to the beginning of the 10 year period of working with the 33. How could this be? I don’t have a way to test but my guess is that as Charles worked with the 33, he gradually became more and more uncomfortable with their agenda. He was part way along that path when he was assigned to deal with Bill. The 4 months of discussions he had with Bill before the recorded interview took him the rest of the way.

My truth testing shows that he was 100% truthful in his comments. Gus, truth testing is separate from LOC determination, although I use Applied Kinesiology for both. LOC is an indication of service to self vs. service to others. Truth and LOC are indirectly related. That is, someone with high LOC seldom tells lies but might depending on circumstances……….etc.

[Anchor]

“LOC” refer to some kind of “system” to test the good will and positive attitude of a person (generosity, service to self vs service to others, etc.).

LOC in this context is Level Of Conciousness represented on a scale of 0-1000. It is a system associated with the work of Dr. David Hawkins.

I have only seen it used to represent an indicator of the degree of spiritual conciousness.

A chap on PA1 called Sanat did a lot of work on this.

John..

[Agape]

Mind you, you are not going to be monitored for your opinions but for reality problem solving. It can get tough with time .

:lol:

[Thunderbird]

I have to express a certain amount of frustration with the way some chose to approach this subject matter. There seemed to be far too much moral grandstanding, finger pointing and exploration into presumed character flaws of 'Charles'. If I knew people who behaved this way in my social circle, I'd be hesitant to disclose anything with them let alone if they were strangers.

^
THIS

how bout yall prove the "33" wrong about your status as a "hamburger with legs"
and start working on solutions. let's give em a worthwhile proposal of how to run the planet instead of being reactionary, judgemental, distrustful, and distasteful.

[cloud9]

If i would be Charles, by now i would be MAD AS HELL.
It seems you guys are showing NO understanding for people much different than internet-bloggers.
Have you heard of self-respect? These people have a lot of this (maybe too much), because that is needed to be brave and fearless.
For people which are used to kick ass (so to speak), this type of response is just UNBEARABLE.
Forget the idea of Charles replying directly on this forum. Just forget it ...
Dear Bashi,
I just want to remind you that I have never ever said anything unpolite or rude about Charles and sometimes I find it difficult to express myself in a better flowing way as English is not my original language, I understand that I can come across dry or cold but I am always respectful and considerate with everybody and I don't agree with putting people down without a reason for it.
I've read worst comments in this now long thread but if I am offending someone including Charles and he's reading this I sincerely apologize, that's not my intention at all.
I'm just looking for answers.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Mind you, you are not going to be monitored for your opinions but for reality problem solving. It can get tough with time .

:lol:

An this thread sure is being monitored, IMHO,
Especially with the massive influx of new members since the Charles video.
Somebody is Getting a nice cross section here, and not just of Avalon but of the whole demographic.

As Zookumar would say "humble opinions all round" *hands catchphrase back*:)

[bluestflame]

with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

[Fractalius]

Mind you, you are not going to be monitored for your opinions but for reality problem solving. It can get tough with time .

:lol:
Hi.
Care to expand? The problem solving for a problem that has got tougher over time? With all the contradictions of the problems being part of the solutions. How can natural selection be natural when people feel they should steer things. Tweaking and fixing a mistake. Creating more mistakes. Like the butterfly effect?

[bilko]

with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration
Yeah because everyone is equal at a round table. Lets have a pipe too so only the one holding it can speak

[HURRITT ENYETO]

with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

Exactly. We need some real world problem solving on this thread. Round table,good start:)
Its nearly 3am here in UK and if i have much more Charles tonight im gonna start dribbling LOL But i will try and come back with some good round table creativity tomorrow.

Ps Thanks Bluestflame

[jeannacav]

Quote Originally Posted by jeannacav View Post
The likes of the 33 are working in the realm of pure manipulation.
They do not do anything outright.
They do things that make us do or think in such a way that will produce the result they desire.
Why? Sometimes it is easier to just kill someone, right? Or maybe they are not allowed to do that?

I don't believe they are 'not allowed' to outright kill anyone.
I think they are proudly showing their excellence in their way to play this game.

How else can they turn around and blame us for this world being overpopulated and too polluted, if they are obviously to blame for this.
Charles made the point very clearly that they want no outright murder.
Well, right, but they are very willing to influence us by every means possible to get US to create all this ourselves, while they are the innocent good controllers... who need to cull the pollution-makers.

Most of us humans are NOT aware that we are the co-creators of this reality, but these guys are aware that we are.
Many here are aware of our abilities in creation, and perhaps this interview is also an effort to assess how the 'aware ones' will react, and perhaps, how we can be further manipulated.

This idea is very complex, but manipulations always are complex.

Thanks for asking, wood.

jeanna

[Ahkenaten]

OK Real World Problem Solving

Item # 1 - We should move from a "Closed System" paradigm to an "Open System." In an open system the massive inequalities would somewhat self-correct due to release of hidden technologies and scientific information. War would become something that is only action of last resort, NOT, as currently is the case, a way to barely maintain profits at the enormous expense of human life and destruction of the environment. Some theorize that the population would stabilize and perhaps even drop. Energy would be released and available for people to work together to clean up the world and make it a better place. A shift in the social/philosophical/scientific frame from Closed to Open could open the doors to many possibilities. Human beings are not merely commodities, jots on a ledger, consumers or beasts of burden. Human beings are energetic beings of light with limitless potential that can only come into fruition in a completely different frame than we see at present.

OK that's it.

[NancyV]

how bout yall prove the "33" wrong about your status as a "hamburger with legs"
and start working on solutions. let's give em a worthwhile proposal of how to run the planet instead of being reactionary, judgemental, distrustful, and distasteful.
Thunderbird, thanks for your most EXCELLENT video response in your earlier post! I was very impressed that you are open minded enough to be willing to look at things from a different perspective than your previous world view. Sometimes the ones we think are the "bad guys" are not quite as bad as we might imagine. Sometimes they are worse. But we will never know them and their motives unless we are willing to engage in dialogue without attacks on character, accents, lack of knowledge of something we think they should know, and demands for proof.

We also would be wise to not harshly judge their possible amorality using our own moral views. If we do that we will not understand why they do what they do. I prefer to consider learning to play their game with the toys they bring to us instead of insisting on doing it our way with our toys from the outset. They probably don't overly care if they play with us or not, but it is to our advantage to learn to play with them. I think Bill is doing an excellent job of that in this interview and what he has told us of his interactions with Charles.

One of my favorite books is The Art of War by Sun Tzu and this quote seems relevant in this situation:

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle

I would add that until we know them better we do not even know if they ARE the enemy. I am grateful to Bill for being our ambassador in the best way he knows and for being open and willing to play the game somewhat on their terms.

Nancy :)

[astrid]

with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

Exactly.... solution focused rather than blame focused.
The question to ask yourself is simple, do u want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution??

Remind yourselves what got us in this mess in the first place... separatist thinking, avoiding responsibility, looking for blame, etc.. the list goes on.
We have a very real opportunity here to be part of the grand plan to clean up this mess.

And this might sound harsh, but i mean it with the greatest respect to all...
the bottom line here, people need to grow up...

[Fractalius]

Thanks to those trying to focus on putting forward ideas, probably about the right amount of time has passed too for the somewhat natural flinch of the scenario posed during and following the release of this interview.
I like the sound of holding off speculations and concentrating, if even hypothetically on presenting proof there is another way.
I believe that solutions like arken suggests may well be becoming more and more possible every day.
Perhaps Astrid the growing up thing is to do with being self content. A lot of blame I see in public arena is from people reciting mantra's towards enemies they have chosen as reasons as to why they are not content. Their perception of what equates to contentedness may also be tainted.

[astrid]

If nothing else, this interview is getting alot of interest on the net... i just got word of an up coming radio interview discussing this...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/universaltruthevolution/2011/01/04/modus-operandi-of-the-controllers-important-discus

[OneLittleFrog]

DO NOT question the masters or their messengers.

Bow your head, be silent and obedient.

We are your masters. We know what's best for you.

You will be taught to worship us. You will be taught to praise us. But most importantly, you will obey us.

We know what's best for you.

Knowledge is not your right. You exist only to serve.

Do not dare seek the Tree of Knowledge -- or you will be cast from the beautiful garden we've created for you.

And if you displease us, we will send a great calamity to annihilate all of you, right down to the tiniest child.

We know what's best for you. DO NOT QUESTION US.


Remember folks, we've been whipped down this path before................

[jeannacav]

I agree, froggie.

I was just writing a post with my well thought out suggestions and it became cynical and I stopped.
Why would we tell them what we need to do to save the world from the problems they have defined?
We might as well say, "Yes, massuh."

The real problems are NOT the ones they have defined and to try to answer them is to fall into a trap.

A few of the real problems are that:

We do not have free energy available to us.
We have closed societies that are economically based and fighting for superiority when they should all be sharing what they have learned with everyone else all the time.
We are hammered at every corner by all means available to make us believe we are weak and incapable, when we are powerful creators.

etc etc.

All I need to say is that we have been enslaved and this is the problem. Period.

mmmm sounds like a rant. :o

I will be quiet, now.

jeanna

[OneLittleFrog]

All I need to say is that we have been enslaved and this is the problem. Period.

mmmm sounds like a rant.

I will be quiet, now.

jeanna

Don't you dare be quiet! :party:

[Seikou-Kishi]

Maybe one day the orchestrators of all the mess will show themselves with a childish grin on their faces and shouting "April Fool's" and inform us that this aeon is a public holiday in which everybody in the dimension plays pranks on each other, and we'll all laugh at the jolly japes and admit with good humour that they had us for a moment

[Ara]

Because the '33' know whistleblowers and insiders contact the 'alternative media' to disclose. They keep tabs on who says what and where and monitor all such public areas

Barry are you saying the "33" are the conductors of the disclosure train?

[Thunderbird]

I agree, froggie.

I was just writing a post with my well thought out suggestions and it became cynical and I stopped.
Why would we tell them what we need to do to save the world from the problems they have defined?
We might as well say, "Yes, massuh."

The real problems are NOT the ones they have defined and to try to answer them is to fall into a trap.

A few of the real problems are that:

We do not have free energy available to us.
We have closed societies that are economically based and fighting for superiority when they should all be sharing what they have learned with everyone else all the time.
We are hammered at every corner by all means available to make us believe we are weak and incapable, when we are powerful creators.

etc etc.

All I need to say is that we have been enslaved and this is the problem. Period.

mmmm sounds like a rant. :o

I will be quiet, now.

jeanna

I once had a very insightful conversation with John Perkins the man who wrote "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," at some random event that he was speaking at.

He shook my hand in what I thought was an awkward way. I obviously didn't know what the proper way to shake his hand was. lol. He later intimated that the thought that I was there to kill him had crossed his mind.

Now, I am by NO means any sort of character that would be doing anything CLOSE to that sort of thing. I was just some random guy at a random event, but I could tell that he was genuinely concerned. Perhaps he was far past the line and men such as "Charles" had paid him "soft" visits in the past.

After all, he was one of the people who DID do some of the "softer" persuasion tactics that "Charles" describes, only he "worked" with heads of state. Whether "Charles" does or not is inconsequential.

John's message was one of self control, voting with your dollars, and becoming educated as to the true workings of the world. He wanted to give people a chance.

Interestingly, he said this to me when i asked him about free energy....
"Look at what we've done with energy since the industrial revolution...how much more would we mess up the planet if it was abundant and everywhere. "

At the time i didn't like the answer. I didn't want to, because I believed in the over whelming goodness of mankind. I believed everyone was like me, able to exist in homeostasis with our environment, wanting the highest good for all beings. Now, i am aware that the world is a business model and as well intentioned as i was...i was living in fairy tale land.

Now, of course it is also telling that a man of his nature, position, and previous work habits was afraid for his life. That displays the commitment of the people he worked on behalf of and the seriousness they prescribe to their dealings.

I am not here as a judge of men by any stretch of the imagination, however I would like to take the moment to point out how committed they are to what they might consider a "lowest collateral" global takeover.

Why forcibly enslave the globe through military force only to watch it crumble the minute it is in place, when you can with enough patience and determination position the planet to create your favored outcome. To quote "Charles," is it murder to kill 30 people to save 300,000?

Rather than conquer the globe with force, as has been done countless times throughout history to no avail, they have devised what I must appreciate as a tactical, patient, strategic, well hidden, well thought out plan that is laser like in its attention to detail and scope. It DOES meet what I presume is their criteria for a "bloodless" coup, though it may not meet yours. It DOES display an attempt at doing the right thing by their measure.

After all, isn't it reasonable from their perspective as evidenced by "Charles" to get rid of a couple problems rather than actively kill millions? Aren't they presumably trying to make a utopian, healthy, advanced planet and civilization?

We mustn't prescribe our moral values on a culture that has an entirely different modality, and cultural value, as abhorrent as you may judge it to be. Remember they do not consider it killing off the population if the population isn't smart enough to figure out whats going on and know how to be self sufficient if food production is cut off.

I for one would LOVE to live in a world where such tactics, strategies, and force aren't necessary. Alas, at this point in Humanity's evolution this does not seem to be the case. If I COULD swipe my hand and make it that way I would, but as it is not that way AND we have been "dealt a ****ty hand" as was said earlier somewhere in this forum, I make this series of propositions:

1. Deal with it.
It is unpleasant. It is ****ty. You don't run the show. You don't even run the green room at the show. You're lucky to be in the audience at all at this point. you've walked into a room and people are playing a game that you don't know the rules. you don't even know the name of the game!

2. That fact is "the Elite" are you.
You must forgive yourself of all your faults. You must forgive yourself for being manipulative, deceitful, cruel, heartless, and any and all of the horrible things you prescribe to these folks. If you see it in them, its because its in you at some level, even if its benign. This was the hardest part of this process for me over the past few years, accepting my own characteristics that limited me.

If you want to get heady about it, think of the globe as a whole organism. We individual humans are "thoughts" on this planet. Here for a blink of an eye. Imagine your life sped up to one fraction of a second and watch it from space. You would look like a lightning bolt across the face of the globe...or rather a firing of neurons in a brain. These divine (aren't we all?) human beings "running" the planet could be thought of as fundamental "egoic" thoughts concerned with self preservation, control, making sense of a chaotic field of information. They have a fundamentally important role to play in the character of our civilization, just as having those same thoughts scaled down to the individual level protect you and help you function and stay alive in your own experience. Every one makes order out of chaos throughout their WHOLE lives.

3. If we are to create a world together, it has to be "together."
Everyone's needs must be met without judgement. Any good business person and negotiator will find out what each party's needs, wants, and deal breakers are and come up with solutions that meets each party's needs without pushing the deal breakers.

4. There are NO "shoulds"
The world "shouldn't" be this way. the world "shouldn't" be that way...It is what we make of it.

5. Accept your power
If you were to accept about yourself what the "elite" have accepted about themselves in the first place...NONE of this would be happening. They accept that they are powerful. They accept that they are divine. They ACCEPT that the world is what THEY make of it. AND....THEY ARE ACTING ON IT. And, by their account doing the best they know how to do. What's your excuse?

6. Look at the georgia guidestones.
Want to know what they want? Look there. If I were to paint a global civilization Id pretty much do what it says. It makes sense. I mean, these families HAVE had hundreds if not thousands of years to come up with a vision, make a business plan, and implement it. Of course, its that pesky first one thats got the masses all riled up now hasn't it. Population at 500,000,000 i believe? I mean everything else is pretty dang reasonable, heck even desirable...

So population....
I would offer that it isn't so much a problem of how many, but rather management. Specifically, management of resources. I have stated that I believe the planet CAN sustain Billions and Billions of people if resources were managed properly, and organizational structures were created properly. I would go so far as to assert that a form of socialism were necessary to manage that many people and systems. It would, however require "buy in."

If a clearly defined vision of what we are trying to create were proposed and people were inspired to create it with the type of leadership people like JFK, MLK, and Ghandi represented and some creative marketing thrown into the mix, while still giving functioning power to the people who hold the cards, so to speak, then we have a starting point. I believe this is what "they" were attempting to do with "Barry Sotero" or whatever people think his name is.

JFK's problem was that from 'their" perspective he was gonna f-up the whole business model....the FED.

I'd say to would be revolutionaries...can't have a revolution unless your willing to eat rats.

As Bill stated in his opening, the technology IS there to make this vision real. We CAN clean up this mess. We CAN provide food, water, clean energy, and the basics to people of the world, perhaps in exchange for directed effort towards the goals of the planet.

We could control the population with incentives, tax breaks, what have you, if people will limit THEMSELVES to a certain amount of children.

We could keep nation states, make WW3 the highest ratings "war game" that helps nations resolve trade disputes, generates billions of dollars, doesn't kill anyone, but still trains soldiers to go into space and defend our planet. Which i believe is VERY important.

With a little patience and dedication we could really come up with all sorts of workable, desirable, solutions.

but for now....I must go to sleep.

Goodnight.

[gripreaper]

There are those who have tested kinesthetically the energy fields of the interviewer and the interviewee and have weighed in on their take of the level of consciousness they reside upon.

One poster sites David Hawkins’s scales as what they used for their source, yet I would reference Bruce Lipton’s work and his association with Bill Williams who came up with Psych-K as a comprehensive work on muscle testing, or “truth” testing as it is also called. Yet what they have found out in subsequent research is that “bias” influences the results.

But where this is leading is, if the 33 are at the capstone (not just the capstone but the very top pinnacle of the capstone) and they know of an energetic capstone that is opposite their own in duality, why wouldn’t they send an emissary to investigate and measure the energetic levels of consciousness of the emerging and awakening that is occurring at the leading edge of ascension?

In my humble opinion, after crawling into every rabbit hole on the internet, this group of Avalonians and Camelot souls IS at the pinnacle of the emerging consciousness. Not to say that there are not others, but I don’t find them in such a large concentration.

This is a great opportunity to take our 22 seconds of fame and make our intentions known as to HOW WE want to create the future which was are ascending towards.

We are the ones we have been waiting for!

[Ross]

I posted this on another thread but feel it is relevant here also

Human docility is more of a problem than the controllers, or any other issue facing us, IMO.

It starts within, as you all know. Consider what you do have control over, and what you do not, it becomes real obvious that all you have control over is you, and you alone.

Some real handy skills to learn and apply are: critical thinking, self-discipline, self-belief, focus, the art of intention and the understanding of energy (you) and how to harness the variable existing energies available to us, and the application of such.

This task, in itself, is the single greatest challenge we as individuals face during the course of our lives, (Having control over ourselves), IMO.

What we become inside, radiates outwardly, this is your signature, your creation. If we are looking for a better way to exist and make a difference, then this is the only logical, rational, worthwhile use of our time and energy that makes any sense to me. (fix us first) then we can apply UNITY, this is the key; we need to be reading the same book, if not the same page but that timeline as I see it, is yet to be created.

Ross

[3optic]

Thanks Thunderbird. I was a bit surprised by the reaction here. I would think there'd be a benefit of doubt when it came to this interview. It's as if we're just another consumer group looking at this as entertainment. What can you give me? That was boring! I already heard it! Is the problem that "Charles" is lying or that he's regurgitating old material that we already know to be true? We'll have it both ways I guess... It's OK to let the dust settle before jumping to conclusions! Reflexively broadcasting from the negative mind is not a virtue despite what we may be learning from pop culture and internet forums. There is actually little risk in listening with an open mind and letting the valid data sink in. In my experience, there is an organic sorting function in the brain that works quite well when not over burdened or rushed.

I've gone through a lot of this kind of material and while I've heard most of what has been discussed, I appreciate the context and I trust Bill. This is his forum.. we are here because we trust him in some way..? :boink:

PS. Excepting those who seemed legitimately concerned for his safety. :p

[witchy1]

.....this group of Avalonians and Camelot souls IS at the pinnacle of the emerging consciousness. Not to say that there are not others, but I don’t find them in such a large concentration.

Hi Gripreaper, never a truer word said and welcome to Avalon

We may not always agree with one another, which is healthy - if we all agreed with the same thing, it would be a faily bland existence and nothing would change our views.

This is a great place to meet and chat and most of all, its like our second family here. The longer you stay and be involved, the more you will get out of it.

*****
ADDIT: Yew, that didnt sound to cultish did it???????????????

[Isserley]

I dont understand why did 'Charles' decide to have an interview with Bill if he doesnt care about humans and if he doesnt belive in a positive outcome?!? What are his intentions if not helping? :noidea:
If the human race isn't worth saving, what is?
surely if we're all dead, it doesn't matter what else exists anymore... so why think anything's worth saving if we can't even get the enthusiasm to save ourselves?
There is nothing worth saving if you think life must always be lived without hope for a different outcome for people...but in order to have that, each of us must be up for being a bit more pro-active than we have been in our own lives and in that of our world. Instead of making a list of resolutions that most of us don't keep anyway, make a list of changes you would like to see accomplished on any level. Next to any of the things you list, put a mark next to those which you could help in accomplishing and just do them or just do your part. If you truly find there is nothing you can do, then perhaps yours is the part of the human race not worth saving! :smash:

[bashi]

with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

Yes, absolutely. Instead of trying to throw darts into Their (armoured) chest, let's bombard Them with good ideas to make Their brains rock and roll...

[mrmalco]

Some questions - no offence to Bill intended:
In view of all that we've all learned over the years, what exactly has 'changed' in Bill's view of things?
How frightened is Bill? He seemed at moments over-ingratiating.
How much of a distraction is it that Bill and 'Charles', rather than the world situation, have become centre stage?
When the researcher (Bill, Kerry ... whoever) becomes well known, does their experience become too much of a topic?
Has Project Avalon been substantially derailed in terms of its priorities by this interview?
Bill says that much of his time has been occupied with all this for months - so has a 'soft' strategy against him in fact been effective?
To what extent, in view of so much having to remain unsaid by Bill, has he been pried loose from his first allegiance to the Project?
Does Bill now believe he pretty well knows full the story ... with the result that his investigative interest is now undermined?
To what extent can any of our questions influence any further interview with Charles? Is the terrain now too much determined by relationship-with/threat-from/no-go-areas-agreed-with 'Charles'?

[TraineeHuman]

Bill said that this is Disclosure. For some reason, nearly everybody in this thread has been ignoring that fact or playing it down. The silence has been quite deafening. Oh, it must be some type of social science experiment or survey by TPTW. Oh, we don’t like the Mahumed Ali style bravado with which Charles tends to express himself, thanks to his upbringing. Oh, we can’t sub-consciously resist demonizing Charles because in reality we aren’t together enough to face all the cr** of our own inside of ourselves. So let’s bash him, even though it’s irrelevant and not intelligent nor diplomatic to do so.

My understanding is that TPTW have apparently been forced into beginning real Disclosure now. I suspect they have no choice. As Bill said, they were watching these threads carefully to see if the info was intelligently received – to see whether this was a reliable vehicle (not subservient, but intelligent and interactive). But too many people have proved to be sufficiently not grown up enough to refrain from indulging their cr**, and reacting to TPTW’s or Charles’ cr**. What was needed instead was more people responding from their heart and soul. Let’s put aside all our limitations for a moment...

[Fractalius]

Agree TH, though also I see that a certain period of reaction was to be expected. There has been a lot of extrapolated "HUH?"s that also read as criticism yet are just over analysis perhaps.
But yes, agree that has been a bit of over dramatising too.
All in all a great experience so far, thanks to all involved.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Eric - listen carefully:

You asked someone to list what was the 30% that we thought we knew in the alternative community that Charles confirmed was real.

So I told you. (It might be a little more than 30%, actually.)

Then you replied:



Can anyone understand why the controllers laugh at the stupidity of the alternative community?

Perhaps I expected a little more than re-gurgitated info ... my assumption was wrong ... but I have failed only in my hunger for the real 'truth' and 'new', and not stuff that most of us here know about... nothing new...if this is a test bed to see how much we already know, then I sincerely hope that this chap will be re-interviewed. Maybe he can divulge some 'truths' that we don't know about...And if he is genuine he won't mind being re-interviewed again.

If he is not the real McCoy then he will run a mile!!

I very much doubt if they are laughing at us...and if they are. They most certainly won't have the last 'laugh'...

Don't take this personally Bill...Its not the interviewer here I am questioning.

By the way I think you handled him exceptionally well under the cricumstances.

Keep on trucking.

viking

[jcocks]

No, this isn't real disclosure... This is just testing the waters. And they're not even doing it themselves - they're sending a pleb to do it for them... and they're not just testing us, they're testing bill too.


My feeling is that we'll get to the juicy stuff soon, and it won't be Charles that bill will be interviewing... It will be someone higher up in the food chain.

Call it a gut feeling, but as the saying goes, "You ain't seen NOTHING yet!"

[sepia]

All I need to say is that we have been enslaved and this is the problem. Period.




This seems to be obvious, dear jeannacav - but there is another viewpoint to this. Let me explain it:

Let's say you breed dogs. - You want to improve the DNA, so that your animals are able to search for people under the snow or for drugs, guide blind people, to run fast and win races, defend you... Many good reasons.

And suddenly spiritual beings just like you are start to incarnate into these dog-bodies.

Not an easy situation for you as a breeder. That wasn't how you wanted to play the game! You are not prepared to take the dogs as equals!
You are interested in the DNA, not in the beings.

And the beings in the dog-bodies would start to complain: "We don't agree with your rules. We want to be free. This is our planet, this is our game, leave us alone!"

How will the breeders react? Right! They start to find ways to keep the dogs within the boundaries.

So this is the situation here. The Human Bodies have been manufactured thousands of years ago, improved many times, very importantly probably after the great flood.

But when did you as a spiritual being decided to play this game?

I personally came here 3000 years ago and I know only a few who are here longer. My friends and clients have lived between 1 - 15 lifetimes on this planet, although they exist for aeons - as we all do. Talking about eternity here.

I would guess that most probably the people on this Forum made a choice to incarnate into the breed that is 'managed' by the controllers /breeders. So why complain?

Right now it feels like the dawn of a change... Maybe the breeders are more willing to give us a chance.

With all my best wishes for all the soul-beings in this game.

[bashi]

I once had a very insightful conversation with John Perkins the man who wrote "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," at some random event that he was speaking at.

He shook my hand in what I thought was an awkward way. I obviously didn't know what the proper way to shake his hand was. lol. He later intimated that the thought that I was there to kill him had crossed his mind.

Now, I am by NO means any sort of character that would be doing anything CLOSE to that sort of thing. I was just some random guy at a random event, but I could tell that he was genuinely concerned. Perhaps he was far past the line and men such as "Charles" had paid him "soft" visits in the past.

After all, he was one of the people who DID do some of the "softer" persuasion tactics that "Charles" describes, only he "worked" with heads of state. Whether "Charles" does or not is inconsequential.

John's message was one of self control, voting with your dollars, and becoming educated as to the true workings of the world. He wanted to give people a chance.

Interestingly, he said this to me when i asked him about free energy....
"Look at what we've done with energy since the industrial revolution...how much more would we mess up the planet if it was abundant and everywhere. "

At the time i didn't like the answer. I didn't want to, because I believed in the over whelming goodness of mankind. I believed everyone was like me, able to exist in homeostasis with our environment, wanting the highest good for all beings. Now, i am aware that the world is a business model and as well intentioned as i was...i was living in fairy tale land.

Now, of course it is also telling that a man of his nature, position, and previous work habits was afraid for his life. That displays the commitment of the people he worked on behalf of and the seriousness they prescribe to their dealings.

I am not here as a judge of men by any stretch of the imagination, however I would like to take the moment to point out how committed they are to what they might consider a "lowest collateral" global takeover.

Why forcibly enslave the globe through military force only to watch it crumble the minute it is in place, when you can with enough patience and determination position the planet to create your favored outcome. To quote "Charles," is it murder to kill 30 people to save 300,000?

Rather than conquer the globe with force, as has been done countless times throughout history to no avail, they have devised what I must appreciate as a tactical, patient, strategic, well hidden, well thought out plan that is laser like in its attention to detail and scope. It DOES meet what I presume is their criteria for a "bloodless" coup, though it may not meet yours. It DOES display an attempt at doing the right thing by their measure.

After all, isn't it reasonable from their perspective as evidenced by "Charles" to get rid of a couple problems rather than actively kill millions? Aren't they presumably trying to make a utopian, healthy, advanced planet and civilization?

We mustn't prescribe our moral values on a culture that has an entirely different modality, and cultural value, as abhorrent as you may judge it to be. Remember they do not consider it killing off the population if the population isn't smart enough to figure out whats going on and know how to be self sufficient if food production is cut off.

I for one would LOVE to live in a world where such tactics, strategies, and force aren't necessary. Alas, at this point in Humanity's evolution this does not seem to be the case. If I COULD swipe my hand and make it that way I would, but as it is not that way AND we have been "dealt a ****ty hand" as was said earlier somewhere in this forum, I make this series of propositions:

1. Deal with it.
It is unpleasant. It is ****ty. You don't run the show. You don't even run the green room at the show. You're lucky to be in the audience at all at this point. you've walked into a room and people are playing a game that you don't know the rules. you don't even know the name of the game!

2. That fact is "the Elite" are you.
You must forgive yourself of all your faults. You must forgive yourself for being manipulative, deceitful, cruel, heartless, and any and all of the horrible things you prescribe to these folks. If you see it in them, its because its in you at some level, even if its benign. This was the hardest part of this process for me over the past few years, accepting my own characteristics that limited me.

If you want to get heady about it, think of the globe as a whole organism. We individual humans are "thoughts" on this planet. Here for a blink of an eye. Imagine your life sped up to one fraction of a second and watch it from space. You would look like a lightning bolt across the face of the globe...or rather a firing of neurons in a brain. These divine (aren't we all?) human beings "running" the planet could be thought of as fundamental "egoic" thoughts concerned with self preservation, control, making sense of a chaotic field of information. They have a fundamentally important role to play in the character of our civilization, just as having those same thoughts scaled down to the individual level protect you and help you function and stay alive in your own experience. Every one makes order out of chaos throughout their WHOLE lives.

3. If we are to create a world together, it has to be "together."
Everyone's needs must be met without judgement. Any good business person and negotiator will find out what each party's needs, wants, and deal breakers are and come up with solutions that meets each party's needs without pushing the deal breakers.

4. There are NO "shoulds"
The world "shouldn't" be this way. the world "shouldn't" be that way...It is what we make of it.

5. Accept your power
If you were to accept about yourself what the "elite" have accepted about themselves in the first place...NONE of this would be happening. They accept that they are powerful. They accept that they are divine. They ACCEPT that the world is what THEY make of it. AND....THEY ARE ACTING ON IT. And, by their account doing the best they know how to do. What's your excuse?

6. Look at the georgia guidestones.
Want to know what they want? Look there. If I were to paint a global civilization Id pretty much do what it says. It makes sense. I mean, these families HAVE had hundreds if not thousands of years to come up with a vision, make a business plan, and implement it. Of course, its that pesky first one thats got the masses all riled up now hasn't it. Population at 500,000,000 i believe? I mean everything else is pretty dang reasonable, heck even desirable...

So population....
I would offer that it isn't so much a problem of how many, but rather management. Specifically, management of resources. I have stated that I believe the planet CAN sustain Billions and Billions of people if resources were managed properly, and organizational structures were created properly. I would go so far as to assert that a form of socialism were necessary to manage that many people and systems. It would, however require "buy in."

If a clearly defined vision of what we are trying to create were proposed and people were inspired to create it with the type of leadership people like JFK, MLK, and Ghandi represented and some creative marketing thrown into the mix, while still giving functioning power to the people who hold the cards, so to speak, then we have a starting point. I believe this is what "they" were attempting to do with "Barry Sotero" or whatever people think his name is.

JFK's problem was that from 'their" perspective he was gonna f-up the whole business model....the FED.

I'd say to would be revolutionaries...can't have a revolution unless your willing to eat rats.

As Bill stated in his opening, the technology IS there to make this vision real. We CAN clean up this mess. We CAN provide food, water, clean energy, and the basics to people of the world, perhaps in exchange for directed effort towards the goals of the planet.

We could control the population with incentives, tax breaks, what have you, if people will limit THEMSELVES to a certain amount of children.

We could keep nation states, make WW3 the highest ratings "war game" that helps nations resolve trade disputes, generates billions of dollars, doesn't kill anyone, but still trains soldiers to go into space and defend our planet. Which i believe is VERY important.

With a little patience and dedication we could really come up with all sorts of workable, desirable, solutions.

but for now....I must go to sleep.

Goodnight.



Yes, energy is a cost factor in production. The use of free energy in production would have a negative effect, if the system to value items is not adjusted. If the consumer items get cheaper because of free energy, then the useless littering would only increase.


Another problem would be the potential misuse of Free Energy devices by real terrorist organizations, like Boko Haram etc..

This is a big problem, although transitory, because the root is poverty and its related problems like lack of education, etc.
As Celente puts it: “If the people have nothing to lose, they lose it.” This is valid not only for Americans.

So how to implement Free Energy without increasing waste, crushing the existing economic scheme and getting blown into pieces?

[Luke]

Yes, energy is a cost factor in production. The use of free energy in production would have a negative effect, if the system to value items is not adjusted. If the consumer items get cheaper because of free energy, then the useless littering would only increase.

Another problem would be the potential misuse of Free Energy devices by real terrorist organizations, like Boko Haram etc..

This is a big problem, although transitory, because the root is poverty and its related problems like lack of education, etc.
As Celente puts it: “If the people have nothing to lose, they lose it.” This is valid not only for Americans.

So how to implement Free Energy without increasing waste, crushing the existing economic scheme and getting blown into pieces?
Indeed.

Mental exercise: how many of your friends you trust enough to have loaded gun in your presence?
How many of your friend you trust enough to have loaded gun in presence of your children/grandchildren?

And with free energy we are talking something with creative/destructive capability of more than a gun.

In the right hands - there is great potential ... but what will happen in hands of someone of mental level of average primate?

"Problem" (and giant learning opportunity too, make no mistake) with humans, is they span giant amount of spectrum, and cannot be really be put all into one pen. Adventure for one is deadly peril for another. It all depends.

Question is: what has bigger value : perceived security or freedom.

Given dog analogy above: you have very clever mongrels, specialized breeds, but some are neither bright nor good-looking. Yet all are "dogs". Even if they are rabid ....

[greybeard]

Bill is the authority on what happened.

We are just guessing, intelligently in many cases.
Without context its not possible to fully understand anything.
Bill had a long lead in to this interview so his context is quite different from ours.
In other words he has the essence of the communications with Charles.
Essence tends to be more important than words.

My feeling is just get on with life, we are only controlled if we think we are.
Put no head above your own.
To my mind ultimately God is the totality all of it and only the Creator is worthy of devotion and our full attention in the priority of things.
Its practical to have this priority, I have found that when ever I have really needed help and prayed in himility knowing I could not handle a life threating situation, despite my best efforts, the help came, not just on one occasion but on quite a few.
So my faith is not blind but based on reality.
For myself the big picture is presented well by Nassim Haramein "Crossing the event horizon" Science and spirituality coming together.
Various videos here and u tube.

I have the greatest respect for Bill and he is doing what he believes in exceedingly well.
We should just let him be till he puts additional context to it as he has promised.

Respecting all the diverse points of view.
Chris

[Zook]

Good morning, Good Avalon ... the Earth says hello!


No, this isn't real disclosure... This is just testing the waters. And they're not even doing it themselves - they're sending a pleb to do it for them... and they're not just testing us, they're testing bill too.
My feeling is that we'll get to the juicy stuff soon, and it won't be Charles that bill will be interviewing... It will be someone higher up in the food chain.
Call it a gut feeling, but as the saying goes, "You ain't seen NOTHING yet!"

Good points, JC. Hope you are right.

For me, the following protest song by one of the great poetic songwriters of our generation, Jonathan Edwards, says it all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHRxQo2uUy8

"He can't even run his own life ... I'll be damned if he run minel" - Jonathan Edwards

:smow::smow::smow::typing::smow:

[Luke]

If i would be Charles, by now i would be MAD AS HELL.
It seems you guys are showing NO understanding for people much different than internet-bloggers.
Have you heard of self-respect? These people have a lot of this (maybe too much), because that is needed to be brave and fearless.
For people which are used to kick ass (so to speak), this type of response is just UNBEARABLE.
Forget the idea of Charles replying directly on this forum. Just forget it ...

I would like to people reading this consider one thing:
These guys are "in power" for quite some time.
As far as I can tell we are still here, even if there were few close calls.
Still, hindsight is 20/20
And folks still incarnate here. That tells something.

For one- they are not knights in shining armour, but they manage to run this show.

And as in any kind of business - if you believe you can do better that current management/top dog - prove it or shut up.

[norman]

Lets not get this all twisted up about the breeders and the dogs etc. The 33 ARE DOGS!

This humanity has been under this management for a long time and the evidence is showing that it's a bad, selfish and cruel management ( we are currently being made as helpless as possible to aid in our removal ).

All the PR in the world is not going to change that.

Until a sign goes up over humanity that says "UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT" it will be more of this kind of management, which, I'll state again, is a bunch of self appointed DOGS running the DOGS.

Give me a break from this caring concerned wise leaders twaddle please.

[Eric J (Viking)]

A little bit dissapointed in your comment here Luke...

Running the show!!! And they are doing a good job!! give me a break... I can think of many that would have done a lot better... ah haaaa ... but the PTB just take them out!!

Same old...always has been...control...greed...ect ect

We are all enslaved within the matrix...all be design...WAKE UP!!!

They are losing control...and they know it!!!

Yes they have been in power for quite 'some time'....that 'some time' is coming to an end...

viking

[Luke]

(...)
Yes they have been in power for quite 'some time'....that 'some time' is coming to an end...
You know, that is the problem I have..

All I hear is talk about "loosing power"

ZERO real proofs.

Rome fallen, yet people rebuilt it. Why?

It's bit like with computer software .. why most of people use windows or macos even when they have free alternatives?

[Eric J (Viking)]

You know, that is the problem I have..

All I hear is talk about "loosing power"

ZERO real proofs.

Rome fallen, yet people rebuilt it. Why?

It's bit like with computer software .. why most of people use windows or macos even when they have free alternatives?

There are cracks appearing all around them Luke, even 'mother earth' is firing up!!

Take a deep breath and look around you...jump out of the 'chaos' and feel...

viking

[Luke]

There are cracks appearing all around them Luke, even 'mother earth' is firing up!!

Take a deep breath and look around you...jump out of the 'chaos' and feel...

viking
That cracks are signs of incoming "reset".
Which is precisely why agenda for "leaner and meaner" humanity is on the way right now.
This is time for changing stuff, but only those that learned to "program" can provide working solution.

We have been given a "preview" of sorts. Thing is up and running, and seem quite polished and well-advertised. Shipping to store near you, actually.

Now, lemme see about the concurrent company ...
Oh, they started to think about writing a draft ....(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10351-What-do-we-want-to-create)

(actually, it might be that the monopolist to be is so worried about anti-monopoly court making a case that they decided to help the "opposition" ?)

/sarcasm

[bluestflame]

just saying that if we view this as having the potential to open up a more directly interactive dialogue between proported behind the scenes managers and well initially us here wot post on avalon ( mystical roots ) it''d be a shame to wast the potential of such an opportunity ...imagine that , an opportunity to get some real answers rather than just educated guesses and conjecture ...what would you ask them if you could ( knowing they don't have to communicate ) I would be interested to hear direct from a more directly involved member on the true nature of thier organisation and share a few of me own insights

like Bill said earlier the gut feeling is there can be a "win win solution" for all concerned just gotta get past some misperceptions created not necessarily by the organisation concerned , but perhaps by other organisations lower down the ladder so to speak

I'm still getting me head around the mention of non interference and how "charles" and his modus operandi fits into that without compromising it ( cos we are still responsible for the chain of events we set into motion wether we are directly involved at its destination or not )

i'd be asking some questions about "the watchers" also

[Eric J (Viking)]

That cracks are signs of incoming "reset".
Which is precisely why agenda for "leaner and meaner" humanity is on the way right now.
This is time for changing stuff, but only those that learned to "program" can provide working solution.

We have been given a "preview" of sorts. Thing is up and running, and seem quite polished and well-advertised. Shipping to store near you, actually.

Now, lemme see about the concurrent company ...
Oh, they started to think about writing a draft ....(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10351-What-do-we-want-to-create)

(actually, it might be that the monopolist to be is so worried about anti-monopoly court making a case that they decided to help the "opposition" ?)

/sarcasm

Ha ha Luke..I look forward to the re-set button...

But, not sure who will be running the show after!! ;-)

viking

[Banshee]

Not an easy situation for you as a breeder. That wasn't how you wanted to play the game! You are not prepared to take the dogs as equals!
You are interested in the DNA, not in the beings. .

I have never know anyone who breed dogs who didn't love them.

[norman]

As PR for the 33, an east end gangster radiating underhanded violence and uncaring affirmation of the economic model of humanity, Charles has to either be a joke or a stark warning to all.

Hey, the human family is a Mafia crime family. It's official. Get over it.

Like hell I will.

[ruisatriani]

Greetings to all.

My first impression was, of course, some duality brought up by the okward situation happening there, which i easily droped once in my mind came the idea that Bill himself is interviewing people for quite a while now and he can judge characters and situations himself better than anyone for this purpose. So (judgements apart), if it is happening there, let it flow for whatever reasons all of us may find, because, seriously, any hinch of what it is will probably be speculation.

About the content and the interview itself, like many people already stated here, i agree in this:
much of the contents were mere "confirmation" of many things already discussed; but, along the way, specially after the second half of the interview, some important issues were covered, although not as deep as they shulod for the understandable reasons.
Charles speech, for the cleverness he claims, seemed to me very misleading (and here i dont mean intentional misleading) and overlaping by his "dispensable" remarks which would just break the conversation apart and get Bill saying, wisely, "I hear what you are saying" (sometimes anoingly too much time until the next step in the conversation was taken). I am not judging characters here, but the conversation itself.


About the big picture:
I would start with Charles' story of the father and family in the river. It is a good analogy to put in perspective both sides of this struggle!
I just see it as misleading: lets not forget that the son is in that situation BECAUSE of the father, who knew another way around the river and did not warn the son! More, the father now as a rope that he kept with himself for a long time, and he just doesnt think that taking the son out of the Sh** he got him into with this same rope is worth it!! So he leaves with the family and still holds his head high! I say i'd prefer to be a bastard than having a father like this.
Charles' praticality is the cleverness without conscioussness, a human turned into robot, like i very well heard here before. That has been the kind of thinking that brought us to this situation in the first place. And this is just an opinion about a posture in life, not Charles's particular one.

I would like to thank Bill and Charles for this interesting interaction and hope it develops further on.

A special word for Bill: I thank you deeply for your continous effort and one more gift to us. Good job in directing the interview, even when your opinions would scream the opposite argument! :) And, may i remind you, keep your head high, even if you are interviewing the leader of the 33 or the intergalactic federation. Your true feelings for mankind and all that is good are the MOST HONORABLE THING!

PEACE TO ALL.

[Etherios]

i am amazed that ppl actually say that the 33 way of thinking is logical. Anyone remember what ICKE saying about problems? They create the problem (western way of life), reaction appears (overcumsuption - fears of overpopulation etc), solution (culling the herd). They are breaking the planet everyday more and more so the concept of "Broken Earth" is evident to all. Then they cull the herd as the more time passes it will be impossible to select a different approach.

Thuder is saying that a father will let his 1 child to save the rest ... the problem is that these 33 are 1st throwing their children in the river themselves on purpose and then they are saving only the ones that they like (5% only) ... not the best/easiest to save. Bill said it very well they dont want the best they want the best "controlable" they can get.

So if ppl still believe the most logical solution is the culling then i am sorry for you. The herder doesnt make his herd sick and slow so that he can kill most of us for being useless. A butcher does that.

Fair fight Bill said. Where is the fairness? 1 side makes the rules/controls them 2 side from the day they are born they are being manipulated and controled to ignore the fight and they dont even realize it. And now they say well fight here is the fight rules. Its like going to fight a tank with a dagger. GL with this fair fight.

[norman]

Your first paragraph reminded me of the Tibetan Book of the Dead ( which i dont know if you read, if not it is advisable) because they point out, at the moment of the Bardo (between death and the next rebirth) they talk about the real light appearing to us as well as the illusive light, which pulls us wrongly to another reincarnation, instead of the liberation. interesting.

I don't know if you were responding to my post or not but thanks for reminding me about options during death and reincarnation.

If this lot are not removed from power I don't want to come back here again.

[sepia]

I have never know anyone who breed dogs who didn't love them.

No?

In some cultures they are bread to be eaten.

And "Dog" was an example. I could have said sheep, cattles, pigs, chicken, salmon, butterflyes.... Understand the point?

[ruisatriani]

things go very deep...we have a false "death" program and we(our spirits) are tethered to our body imprint here ...we were never meant to die,we were meant to experience these realms.EMBODY more of our divinity and ascend out of this construct in more REFINED BODIES BY CONCIOUS CHOICE..the reason we die is that we have been interwoven in to a distorted hologram..when we die we get taken in to the astral planes.,experience FAlse LIGHT AND LOVE and then get fed back in to incarnation in to the distorted hologram trap because of the distorted hologram architecture of our bodies...we are basically food for those who have distorted the hologram...

Your first paragraph reminded me of the Tibetan Book of the Dead ( which i dont know if you read, if not it is advisable) because they point out, at the moment of the Bardo (between death and the next rebirth) they talk about the real light appearing to us as well as the illusive light, which pulls us wrongly to another reincarnation, instead of the liberation. interesting.

[Banshee]

No?

In some cultures they are bread to be eaten.

And "Dog" was an example. I could have said sheep, cattles, pigs, chicken, salmon, butterflyes.... Understand the point?

Thanks for thumping me over my thick head ( seriously mean thank you) :o

I am assigning my emotional responses to someone/something that may not have any (emotion).

[Banshee]

This question should probably be under Q&A, and if this has already been discussed, I apologize ( this topic is becoming massive)

I understood the 33 to be human? Obviously they did not breed us as an experiment - who/what is? Are the 33 accountable to them? If so, are the 33 aware that they are accountable to them?

Thanks!

[OneLittleFrog]

Ah I see, we're simply DOGS to be bred for entertainment and value. And so many here are just fine with that.

The controllers - the dog-breeders - they care about us. They only want what's best for us. They love us.

Just like Michael Vick loved his dogs.

:wacko:

[Steven]

I don't believe humanity is a produce of another "creature". I believe the Human Being is a "earthling", just like Credo Mutwa already presented in his many interviews. I believe we have been manipulated in our genetic evolution by technologically advanced races foreign to Earth, but certainly not "created" by them.

We have been altered, not created. Just like we do alter other specie without creating them.

In a rightful ownership point of view, we are from Earth, not the races who came here to interfere in our natural course. We have both a right and a responsibility on Earth, coming from our "mother".

Namaste, Steven

[Banshee]

Ah I see, we're simply DOGS to be bred for entertainment and value. And so many here are just fine with that.

The controllers - the dog-breeders - they care about us. They only want what's best for us. They love us.

Just like Michael Vick loved his dogs.:wacko:


Well maybe you bring up a very good point. If we think about what we perceive as valuable and assuming we are of rational mind , we as inviduals don't place value on that which doesn't serve us. If we look at the human race as a whole, what conclusion would we draw were we on the outside? We don't look very appealing by virtue of the way we treat one another as just one example. Perhaps we were an experiment gone bad. A mistake.

If you had a herd of livestock that had grown exponentially and was demonstrating negative traits and you couldn't or didn't want to maintain such a large herd, which ones would you eliminate? What would be your criteria?

[Banshee]

I don't believe humanity is a produce of another "creature". I believe the Human Being is a "earthling", just like Credo Mutwa already presented in his many interviews. I believe we have been manipulated in our genetic evolution by technologically advanced races foreign to Earth, but certainly not "created" by them.

We have been altered, not created. Just like we do alter other specie without creating them.

In a rightful ownership point of view, we are from Earth, not the races who came here to interfere in our natural course. We have both a right and a responsibility on Earth, coming from our "mother".

Namaste, Steven

We as a species are close to having the technology to create new life forms. We can already grow organs, tissues, etc., independently of a host.

[bashi]

My feeling is just get on with life, we are only controlled if we think we are.


Your life is also here on this forum, isn't it?
If anybody has asked you here in the past to give a hand and assist for understanding/clearification/knowledge, then you have always rushed into benevolent action.

Now on this forum a call has been made to assist in shaping the future of mankind. This call has been made by no others than the shapers and controllers of the past.
Are they not also humans? Are they not worth being helped because of the mistakes they made?
The question arising now in your life is: Are you willing to assist or will you still advise to ignore the situation, which might result into Them becoming mass-murderers?

[Rocky_Shorz]

He is probably reading all this. It would be nice if he could register here (nickname 'Charles'?) and start his own thread. That would be a little too democratic for the taste of the '33' though (difficult damage control).

well whistleblowers know we are a tough crowd, and Charles has info to share with us, whether we believe him or not and better things to do than to argue in a forum. That's why he chose Bill to speak for him to all of us...

I have never seen Bill so certain on what he has learned before and to all of us that does mean a lot...

[norman]

Now on this forum a call has been made to assist in shaping the future of mankind. This call has been made by no others than the shapers and controllers of the past.
Are they not also humans? Are they not worth being helped because of the mistakes they made?



Where has this actually been stated, I must have missed it somewhere.?

[OneLittleFrog]

Now on this forum a call has been made to assist in shaping the future of mankind. This call has been made by no others than the shapers and controllers of the past.
Are they not also humans?
As for your last sentence, I think that's considerably in doubt. And I STILL do not believe these 'controllers' have our best interests at heart.

[Deega]

If i would be Charles, by now i would be MAD AS HELL.
It seems you guys are showing NO understanding for people much different than internet-bloggers.
Have you heard of self-respect? These people have a lot of this (maybe too much), because that is needed to be brave and fearless.
For people which are used to kick ass (so to speak), this type of response is just UNBEARABLE.
Forget the idea of Charles replying directly on this forum. Just forget it ...

Hi Bashi,

What would CHarles expect from us...?, to be impressed, to follow the leader without questions....!, to call his say as truth that we should adhered and help the mouvance...!, questionning is preservation of existing securities, not questionning is irresponsible!

From what I have read, members questioned the behaviour, the content we were familiar!, is this disrespect?, I wouldn't!

All my blessings.

Deega

[bashi]

Where has this actually been stated, I must have missed it somewhere.?

Watch the vid again. There Bill asked if They would listen in a meeting to new ideas. The reply was "You will have 20 seconds" (to give an impression of worthiness).

[Steven]

We as a species are close to having the technology to create new life forms. We can already grow organs, tissues, etc., independently of a host.

We duplicate life, not create it.

Namaste, Steven

[truth will win out]

As for your last sentence, I think that's considerably in doubt. And I STILL do not believe these 'controllers' have our best interests at heart.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would believe for a second that these "controllers" have our best interest in heart.. What evidence do we have ever, I mean ever that the "controllers" have our best interest at heart.

[truth will win out]

Hi Bashi,

What would CHarles expect from us...?, to be impressed, to follow the leader without questions....!, to call his say as truth that we should adhered and help the mouvance...!, questionning is preservation of existing securities, not questionning is irresponsible!

From what I have read, members questioned the behaviour, the content we were familiar!, is this disrespect?, I wouldn't!

All my blessings.

Deega

I agree, thank you...

[sepia]

Ah I see, we're simply DOGS to be bred for entertainment and value. And so many here are just fine with that.

The controllers - the dog-breeders - they care about us. They only want what's best for us. They love us.

Just like Michael Vick loved his dogs.

Please make a difference between Body an Being. We are Divine Beings living in an Animal Body.

If you understand this it becomes much easier.

One major problem is, that the controllers are only interested into the the Animal-Body and its DNA.

As long as we don't see their viewpoint, we are lost.

[bashi]

Hi viking,
i also - like Luke - see this as a final call, just to cover all angles from Their side.

I know that there is a particular relationship between reality and consciousness. The point is: There is not a duality existing as perceived by many. They think they can project and materialize in this way, thus forgetting that matter is made out of consciousness within the matrix. This reality is creating itself for the realisation of the divine play, which means the realization of conscious experience in order to create consciousness. This includes EVERYTHING.
So there is a kind of two-way relationship between reality and consciousness: Both are acting together and are not independent from each other.
Consciousness creates the reality, which manifests in order to create experience which results in the growth of consciousness. We are acting in an environment like a sandman playing on a beach.

What does it mean translated into the current situation?
This contact has materialized in front of your eyes. The call for assistance has been made.
This reality gives now a vast array of choices: denial, refusal, negligence, acceptance or


CHALLENGE.

Your reaction and decision determines your future experience.
It boils down to CHOICE.

This call is now part of your reality and life.
Can you manage that?
Do you really believe that concentration onto a drop of water is the proper reaction to this kind of call?

[Malcolm Linus]

To me, this interview reinforces a display of insecurity on part of "the 33". By trying to discretely convince the viewer that there is not much of a chance of ousting them from power, they reveal this clearly. As in any case, their insecurities will be their downfall. An insecure "leader" should gracefully step down and let an upcoming natural leader take its natural place. In this instance, I believe this new leader is a group of people (or a council, if you will) willing to have people like Bill Ryan as counselors to steer earth humans into a completely transparent and open society, making it possible for the earth's inhabitants to make informed decisions, based on sound information.

Thank you.

[norman]

Watch the vid again. There Bill asked if They would listen in a meeting to new ideas. The reply was "You will have 20 seconds" (to give an impression of worthiness).

Ahhh I remember that but it didn't give me an impression it was an open invitation. In the full context of the dialog, including "let the best man win" and "I know your outgunned", I was left with the impression that all that was on offer was a personal invite for Bill to move over to their camp and sit in the back and shut up after 20 seconds and probably shut up about what he's been told indefinately also.

Actually, all I really got from the interview was the fact that Bill has been told a lot of stuff, but none of that came through in the 2 hour trussing he got. I'm even doubtful that much of it will come out at all. It's that damn protocol thing again.

[Bill Ryan]

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would believe for a second that these "controllers" have our best interest in heart.. What evidence do we have ever, I mean ever that the "controllers" have our best interest at heart.

Hi there - online very briefly, for a few minutes only, at a service station on the Freeway.

I needed to clarify this, and I hope it's helpful.

They certainly do not have our "best interests at heart". They don't care at all about our "best interests".

It's like a group of deer in the forest who see the gamekeeper with his gun, as he takes aim at them, and say: "That crazy guy with the gun doesn't have our best interests at heart. Run!"

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

This analogy is very limited - I totally understand that. As I stated right up front at the start of the video, I believe there's another way. But we have to understand the game that's being played if we have any chance of influencing it.

This has been useful, because your post (and many others) shows me that I have not yet explained clearly enough one of the main revelations of the interview: how the 33 think, and why they're doing what they are doing.

They believe they are the guardians of the experiment (or the project) that is the human race. They are planning for an outcome that's two million years away in the future. They don't care at all what happens tomorrow or next week or next century, as long as the project is on track.

As Charles tried to explain, the 33 'ruling families' have a totally different concept of time. That's because they're a third of the way through a three million year project - and are in it for the long haul. Do they care about you and me? Of course not. Why would they? Their concern is the DNA - not the people.

Like Neo-Darwinist Richard Dawkins' controversial book The Selfish Gene (http://amazon.com/Selfish-Gene-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0192860925), individual animals may just be the way that the DNA propagates itself. Like the chicken being just the way that the egg creates another egg.

Do you see.....?

This is an important post.

[norman]

They certainly do not have our "best interests at heart". They don't care at all about our "best interests".

It's like a group of deer in the forest who see the gamekeeper with his gun, as he takes aim at them, and say: "That crazy guy with the gun doesn't have our best interests at heart. Run!"

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

[/I]

But the gamekeeper isn't a Deer with a rifle taking out other deer it finds inconvenient.

Are you saying these 33 are NOT HUMAN?

[lightblue]

Watch the vid again. There Bill asked if They would listen in a meeting to new ideas. The reply was "You will have 20 seconds" (to give an impression of worthiness).

i experience it as a tipically faustian deal...assuming these individuals are human, it must be stressed that they are humans with the upper hand..so how can we enter a fair discussion?
their emissary (charles) was offering a dialogue based on the "fact" that the planet/humanity has a burning problem WITHOUT specifying that the movers and shakers are responsible for it, for the most part they are: by witholding free energy and such...means their proposition is a cynicism of the highest order..i think they already have succeeded to a degree by us discussing the issue as formulated this way...why not clarify the details surrounding the problem first and see whether chasing profit at an ever increasing rate may heve produced enviromental disasters and impoverishment of resources on CONDITION that us, human beings are neither named nor regarded a "human resource" - very offencive terminology strongly implying that we are dispensable i. e. depletable, renewable and manageable....let's clarify our status in their eyes first..


every other way, i am afraid, we'd be running straight into their hands, playing their game a zillionth time over... l

.

[Celine]

Seeing is one thing.

Swallowing it is another.

it has been intense.. feeling everyone "digest" this

Thanlk you for the analogies Bill... keeps things clear.

Drive carefully

[bashi]

Hi there - online very briefly, for a few minutes only, at a service station on the Freeway.

I needed to clarify this, and I hope it's helpful.

They certainly do not have our "best interests at heart". They don't care at all about our "best interests".

It's like a group of deer in the forest who see the gamekeeper with his gun, as he takes aim at them, and say: "That crazy guy with the gun doesn't have our best interests at heart. Run!"

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

This analogy is very limited - I totally understand that. As I stated right up front at the start of the video, I believe there's another way. But we have to understand the game that's being played if we have any chance of influencing it.

This has been useful, because your post (and many others) shows me that I have not yet explained clearly enough one of the main revelations of the interview: how the 33 think, and why they're doing what they are doing.

They believe they are the guardians of the experiment (or the project) that is the human race. They are planning for an outcome that's two million years away in the future. They don't care at all what happens tomorrow or next week or next century, as long as the project is on track.

As Charles tried to explain, the 33 'ruling families' have a totally different concept of time. That's because they're a third of the way through a three million year project - and are in it for the long haul. Do they care about you and me? Of course not. Why would they? Their concern is the DNA - not the people.

Like Neo-Darwinist Richard Dawkins' controversial book The Selfish Gene (http://amazon.com/Selfish-Gene-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0192860925), individual animals may just be the way that the DNA propagates itself. Like the chicken being just the way that the egg creates another egg.

Do you see.....?

This is an important post.

Bill, can the reason for the vid be understood as a call for assistance?

[LonR]

Hi Bill if you get the chance would it be possible for you just to clarify if you will be providing any evidence with regards the 'back story' of you meeting 'Charles'? And also any other evidence you have obtained regarding 'Charles' himself? A lot of members seem happy to run with you on this and obviously you yourself have bought into it big time. Well tbh if an enforcer from one of the most powerful families on the planet befriended me and told me I was in the loop maybe I would go along for the ride.

To be blunt for any type of change its going to takes the masses which unfortunately means a lot more people than currently follow you. However based on what I have seen and my mind is open and prepared for whatever the truth may be the lack of evidence is apparent. If your happy to proceed and make no attempt to show good journalistic whistle-blower credit checking then I am afraid this will go no further than the followers on here. More importantly than that credibility amongst others will be ruined.

You know I am prepared to listen as long as you can show evidence this guy is who he says and that the back story is true. Is that to much to ask?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi viking,
i also - like Luke - see this as a final call, just to cover all angles from Their side.

I know that there is a particular relationship between reality and consciousness. The point is: There is not a duality existing as perceived by many. They think they can project and materialize in this way, thus forgetting that matter is made out of consciousness within the matrix. This reality is creating itself for the realisation of the divine play, which means the realization of conscious experience in order to create consciousness. This includes EVERYTHING.
So there is a kind of two-way relationship between reality and consciousness: Both are acting together and are not independent from each other.
Consciousness creates the reality, which manifests in order to create experience which results in the growth of consciousness. We are acting in an environment like a sandman playing on a beach.

What does it mean translated into the current situation?
This contact has materialized in front of your eyes. The call for assistance has been made.
This reality gives now a vast array of choices: denial, refusal, negligence, acceptance or


CHALLENGE.

Your reaction and decision determines your future experience.
It boils down to CHOICE.

This call is now part of your reality and life.
Can you manage that?
Do you really believe that concentration onto a drop of water is the proper reaction to this kind of call?


Hi Bashi ...

I fully understand what you are saying about reality and consciousness and how it comes to be...in fact I was comtemplating on writing a book on this topic, but realized that we are running out of time...hey ho...

My consciousness was calling something other than the 'ones' that are running the planet at this moment in tiime...I have seen too much greed/control/selfishness/STS/killing/polluting/starving/war mongering...all orchestrated by them...the list is long...if you think for one minute that am going to get on this 'train' WRONG!! ...if this call is genuinly from them... HAVE THE COURAGE TO SHOW YOURSELVES...!

This is not my call Bashi ...might be yours but not mine...

I'll wait a little longer at the station...for the right 'train' to come along...thanks anyway...

Can I manage it...YEP!!!!!

viking

[notaphysicist]

Thanks Bill for the awesome work. Sounds like you've dodged a bullet and made a good friend out of a potential foe. Definitely pulling in some good stuff. I found his view of ethics fascinating. Very Crowley like, as in, "Do what thou wilt". I've always wondered if the notion of good and evil is native, or something foisted upon us as a control mechanism. Perhaps it just is what you believe it is.

As echoed by others, I'd love to hear more detail. Particularly regarding ET and the connection.

And TIME TRAVEL. Didn't hear anything about time travel. Seems to be a theme more and more in fiction lately and I'm wondering if Charles knows anything about that, and if there is an information lead-up to some real time travel technology becoming real for the rest of us.

[Rex]

But the gamekeeper isn't a Deer with a rifle taking out other deer it finds inconvenient.

Are you saying these 33 are NOT HUMAN?

I'm wondering the same thing. No one "normal" sets up, or for that matter, signs up for, a "3 million year" project. What's the incentive?

If the 33 and the 3 million year project are real, then time must be something they can ignore or easily workaround.

Tough to get a handle on.

[Ilie Pandia]

Assuming that what Charles is saying is true...

We are trying to understand the situation and coming up with a plan but the way we see/perceive the world may be totally incorrect or extremely distorted. We do not know what kind of technology those guys have, how they perceive time and space, what do they understand by sentient being or the value of life... The have a totally different point of view...

For example: lets assume they KNOW that the soul can not be destroyed and therefore they do not see such a big issue with destroying the body (this is just a wild assumption intended to make a point).

Another example... when I was a kid I did not like some of the decisions that my parents made in my name at all... but now looking back I see that in their view and with their knowledge they thought they had no other choice.

[MariaDine]

Like I said in page 24 of the QUESTIONS Thread........... «What do they want ? Our help ??? Well,...there's a twist I should have forseen...! »

.............The BIG PICTURE is always a good argument to throw on the table. But for now we are in the «waiting game».

[Banshee]

Hi Steven!

What I was trying to say is that perhaps we are a new life form, uknown elsewhere. Bill did say that this was about DNA. Perhaps our genome is of value and we're not. Although, one would think they could just use banked dna without having to actually preserve living humans. Maybe its as simple as all of that. We have royally screwed up this planet ( under the direction of the 33), they want to "ark" our dna and that's that. Perhaps the 33 and their bloodlines are only going to be spared if they succeed in either fixing the planet or selectively eliminating the peasants. They would appear to not want to give up their wordly goods, power and posessions, so the choice is to get rid of us? A 21st century Noah's ark, except this time, Noah's not a good guy? Lots of speculation on my behalf. Wish I knew.

[OneLittleFrog]

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

Does that 'good man' torment the deer for a millenia or two first, then light up a cigar and laugh at their comedic struggle as he slowly pulls the trigger?


Human Race Get Off Your Knees! - David Icke....I think maybe I'll order a copy of that today. :)

[Deega]

Hi viking,


CHALLENGE.

Your reaction and decision determines your future experience.
It boils down to CHOICE.

This call is now part of your reality and life.
Can you manage that?
Do you really believe that concentration onto a drop of water is the proper reaction to this kind of call?


Thanks Bashi for your interesting post!

I wonder, what would be your "proper reaction"? Listening, submitting constructive comments, act in gentille ways...? We are at risk anyway..., and we know all that we will die sometimes, how may we build a better world for those that follow, our children, our grand-children.

IMHO, probably like us, the group of 33 doesn't know where they come from, they seem to know where they would like to go (we are not included, we are dispensable), they don't give a star on us anyway..., so what do you think members should do...?

All my blessings.

Deega

[Wood]

This has been useful, because your post (and many others) shows me that I have not yet explained clearly enough one of the main revelations of the interview: how the 33 think, and why they're doing what they are doing.

They believe they are the guardians of the experiment (or the project) that is the human race. They are planning for an outcome that's two million years away in the future. They don't care at all what happens tomorrow or next week or next century, as long as the project is on track.

As Charles tried to explain, the 33 'ruling families' have a totally different concept of time. That's because they're a third of the way through a three million year project - and are in it for the long haul. Do they care about you and me? Of course not. Why would they? Their concern is the DNA - not the people.

Like Neo-Darwinist Richard Dawkins' controversial book The Selfish Gene (http://amazon.com/Selfish-Gene-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0192860925), individual animals may just be the way that the DNA propagates itself. Like the chicken being just the way that the egg creates another egg.

It would be nice then to know what is the goal for that 3 million year project. In case it is just to breed a race of supersoldiers able to think and fight and to take orders... well, what do they want? To take over the universe?
It sounds like the nazi plans for the ubermensch. It actually makes sense that Charles' first steps were football hooligan and member of a fascist organisation. Since nazis were defeated this suggests me that there are other powerful groups with different agendas actively operating here.

It is very interesting to know about the length of the experiment. This means they claim to be here since the first intelligent hominids appeared. This suggests they are not human (mixed blood with ETs that started the project). Do they claim the ETs given them the control over the experiment or just one task, leaving here other independent groups charged with other missions? I think it is more likely the latter is the truth (see this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5454-The-Legend-of-Atlantis-part-1-Dawn-of-the-Gods).

It also suggests they are behind 'the great flood' and the extinction of the neanderthals (apparently some DNA was allowed to survive mixed with ours). A cyclical process of extinction (or great stress) preserving the best specimens make sense to optimise DNA. In fact it is used in Simulated Genetic Algorithms in Computer Science, and it is also the idea behind the process of annealing to forge better pieces of metal.

But then, it seems to me they were not expecting to find spirits in the creatures they were working with (humans). This 'problem' is probably attracting towards us a kind of attention they do not welcome, and they might have plans in place to cut our connection to God.

Anyway, to be able to contribute with ideas we'd need to know what is their long term goal, and to know about other groups around.

[Wood]

Bill did say that this was about DNA. Perhaps our genome is of value and we're not. Although, one would think they could just use banked dna without having to actually preserve living humans. Maybe its as simple as all of that.

My understanding is that DNA is like a piece of software and that needs the appropriate computer to be interpreted (a living cell). That is, software for a Mac won't run on a Linux machine. They need living humans (or at least mother cells) unless they have some kind of tech to rebuild them as well.

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I wonder, what would be your "proper reaction"? Listening, submitting constructive comments, act in gentille ways...?

We are not reacting that bad, otherwise Bill wouldn't be posting new bits of information.

[3optic]

Does that 'good man' torment the deer for a millenia or two first, then light up a cigar and laugh at their comedic struggle as he slowly pulls the trigger?


Human Race Get Off Your Knees! - David Icke....I think maybe I'll order a copy of that today. :)

Dualistic modes of thought, while useful for basic functions are inadequate for understanding the "big picture". It doesn't serve you to polarize every situation. It's actually part of your programing and it feeds the very thing your railing against. Hence we get the Revolution, counter revolution scenario. "Meet the new boss same as the old Boss" effectively illustrated in this clip from Bananas:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkYfmRwryQo&feature=related

The object of the game is to see which is a major tenant for Sun Tzu's Art of War. See without the clouds of judgement. It's not because we're trying to be nice guys. It's for strategic purposes as well.

[bilko]

Bill, i understand your analogy and its a good one. But, isn't Human DNA useless without a soul?
As for the Earth, Gaia, as i understood it she was never in any real danger from us, especially if nuclear war is off the table.
She can heal and all that we have manufactured will return to her eventually because she has all the time in world.

Unless other earth dies because of us. I am almost completely on board with earth having a soul too.
Now we are getting into supposition.
Come on PTB, unlock the vaults.
Let us know our history so we have true freedom of choice. Then, you can be sure that any that incarnate here again are on board voluntarily.

[Zook]

Hi Bash!


Watch the vid again. There Bill asked if They would listen in a meeting to new ideas. The reply was "You will have 20 seconds" (to give an impression of worthiness).

Question begs ... can they afford 20 seconds?

I mean, masters that they are of the fractional reserve, what if they only possess 2 seconds in their time vault and are lending us ten times that in fiat time? Tick. Tock.

Just a thought.

:smow::smow::typing::smow::smow:

[Carmody]

I'm wondering the same thing. No one "normal" sets up, or for that matter, signs up for, a "3 million year" project. What's the incentive?

If the 33 and the 3 million year project are real, then time must be something they can ignore or easily workaround.

Tough to get a handle on.

If these people were outside of being human, they would very likely not be integrating at all.

If they were of a power base that was desiring to share-- they would not be communicating or acting the way they are.

If they could manipulate time, then they would not be integrating or acting the way they are.

One of their best kept secrets is the willful act of keeping others in ignorance of their existence, actions and intentions. This is practically page 1, chapter 1 of Sun Tzu's 'Art of war'. It is the larger source of their power. They guard it jealously, powerfully, willfully and directly.

under the presumption that Dolores Cannon AND Michael Newton are both not 'plants' added into society to deceive us, then, under that 'point', the 33 bloodlines emerge as being problematic for man, in a way that is very 'ego' like. Ie, the heartless aspect acting out as being heartfelt, in their own view.

If they have bred within themselves, as a group, for milennia, then they end up with an inbreeding situation much like the current 'wandering Jew' syndrome that exists to day. Those Jewish people who wanted nothing to do with the current zionist and centralist pattern of thinking..they opted out and became simple citizens of the given country they were in. I know this as about 4 or 5 people I know did exactly that, including some of my ancestors.

Over time, through about 1700+ years of this wandering and culling of the herd, where those with open attitudes leave and those with closed attitudes remain..they ended up with a situation where the most centralist and animalistic 'fear of outsider-protect the herd' base emotional genetic disposition remained and reinforced this in the succeeding generations. This is classically known as inbreeding. This meant, that in the end, the zionist system in place is one of if not the the strongest remaining influences of specific note and weight, and thus the tenants of zionism has shaped the genetic influences within those who remained in the Jewish system of religion and living.

These supposed 33 bloodlines are likely suffering from the same inbreeding effects and are suffering maladies and mental structural considerations that the rest of the world does not understand or know.

One part of that seems to be the specific aspect of a wiring designed around a lower level of empathy. This seems a bit self-obvious but it is best to say it outright. We are actually talking about genetic stilting, in a detrimental fashion, not one of advantage, but detriment. The dead end of the loss of ethics - in guarding the collective.

In a situation where empathy and it's emotional responses are off the table, there is an initial appearance of intellect coming through clearer, cleaner, with less impediment. Smart people do this when they wish their logic to be clear and capable. They take empathy and emotional responses out of the equation and see where the cool logic takes them. However,the wiser among them remember to include it when analyzing the aspect of what to do with the logical end they have reached. The problem of removing the empathetic response, is that in the end, it does not serve the collective, it serves a minor subset. Ie, the 33 bloodlines as nothing more than a grouping of a semi-hidden even religiously oriented tribalism tied to inbreeding and genetic controls.

However, if the ego still exists, even in a stunted form in such individuals, this does not make the being less immune to the egoic system of bodily control, ie tied to the unconscious aspects of living.

If the works of Micheal Newton are true..then this means that in such a system, the most difficult and problematic souls would be assigned those bodies and lives. Where they get to live out contrast so they can be given an opportunity to do things correctly.

If they individually fail in those given and elected tasks..then the are likely going to find themselves with most of what they are today...erased from existence. This, when their lives end. Newton's hypnosis of all his different individuals and those regressions of all those other practitioners is clear enough on that aspect..if you read the works well enough. essentially, people are not punished for killing and to be 'possessed by the demons of the body's conflicts and responses'..this is considered to be the part of the situation to be overcome by the given individual. Many chances are given. So it appears to be a totally open ended system/game/experiment/school. HOWEVER, in the end, it is not. There is a wall.

They have been told the 'game' has no walls, and no limits. Well, that might be true until one finds a limit by encountering it. The way to have an experiment be 'free' from influence it in this sort of case, is to tell or illustrate to the experimentees (subjects)...that there is no limit ---and run it that way. UNTIL they (this subset of the subjects) bump into a wall.... and the rules change, subtly, for those who have just bumped into the given wall.

In the way that man is here to eventually dump the ego and it's associated conflicts thus the overall group of man is here to dump the egoic imperative of such hidden control group. A group hidden as much the same way as the ego is hidden from the individual awareness. Ie, both are there in plain sight.. but hug your being so tight that ...you see neither.

That aspect has been the curse of man so far, that it seems the 'game' runners are trying to slowly eliminate. As above, so below. In the individual this genetic wiring plays out in the emphasis of specific kinds of imperative and drive.... tied to the more dastardly aspects of ego. As the grouping of the human race as a single entity can be witnessed, this is like a sort of egoic imperative that is ruining and controlling mankind, overall.

IF this group is involved with Aliens, ie not specifically humans of this particular grouping (ie, you and me)..then that contact my actually have a purpose that encompasses keeping tabs on the overall societal ruling 'ego' aspects. I'm sure this crosses the mind of these 'bloodline' members all the time, if indeed they are contacting and/or connected to aliens.

In short, this animialsm toward others outside of their group is indicative of intense and dangerous tribalism, which is wholly indicative of shortsighted thinking. And like the ego on the verge of being tamed in the given individual, that is the point where it, and in this case they, are at their most dangerous.

In the body ...the ego gets to stay, and keeps on trying to take it's position back, as the wiring takes time to overcome. Also that integration with others requires that ego be used to some extent. The ego is tamed nonetheless, but the time, the living through the period of the ego taming... can be quite dangerous and difficult.

And like the ego, these people would get to stay, but they cannot run it (ship, show, or individual) anymore. Like the ego, their time of ending has finally come. And like the ego's selfishness, they plot the end of all, in their desires. Anything other than relinquish that control.

[3optic]

Hi Bash!



Question begs ... can they afford 20 seconds?

I mean, masters that they are of the fractional reserve, what if they only possess 2 seconds in their time vault and are lending us ten times that in fiat time? Tick. Tock.

Just a thought.

:smow::smow::typing::smow::smow:

I hope you've factored in that they're 1/3 of the way through a multi million year project taking a 100,000 year meeting and they're not taking calls.

[Celine]

Its Like being in a movie...and suddenly realizing there is an audience.

[Ahkenaten]

If these people were outside of being human, they would very likely not be integrating at all.

If they were of a power base that was desiring to share-- they would not be communicating or acting the way they are.

If they could manipulate time, then they would not be integrating or acting the way they are.

One of their best kept secrets is the willful act of keeping others in ignorance of their existence, actions and intentions. This is practically page 1, chapter 1 of Sun Tzu's 'Art of war'. It is the larger source of their power. They guard it jealously, powerfully, willfully and directly.

under the presumption that Dolores Cannon AND Michael Newton are both not 'plants' added into society to deceive us, then, under that 'point', the 33 bloodlines emerge as being problematic for man, in a way that is very 'ego' like. Ie, the heartless aspect acting out as being heartfelt, in their own view.

If they have bred within themselves, as a group, for milennia, then they end up with an inbreeding situation much like the current 'wandering Jew' syndrome that exists to day. Those Jewish people who wanted nothing to do with the current zionist and centralist pattern of thinking..they opted out and became simple citizens of the given country they were in. I know this as about 4 or 5 people I know did exactly that, including some of my ancestors.

Over time, through about 1700+ years of this wandering and culling of the herd, where those with open attitudes leave and those with closed attitudes remain..they ended up with a situation where the most centralist and animalistic 'fear of outsider-protect the herd' base emotional genetic disposition remained and reinforced this in the succeeding generations. This is classically known as inbreeding. This meant, that in the end, the zionist system in place is one of if not the the strongest remaining influences of specific note and weight, and thus the tenants of zionism has shaped the genetic influences within those who remained in the Jewish system of religion and living.

These supposed 33 bloodlines are likely suffering from the same inbreeding effects and are suffering maladies and mental structural considerations that the rest of the world does not understand or know.

One part of that seems to be the specific aspect of a wiring designed around a lower level of empathy. This seems a bit self-obvious but it is best to say it outright. We are actually talking about genetic stilting, in a detrimental fashion, not one of advantage, but detriment. The dead end of the loss of ethics - in guarding the collective.

If the works of Micheal Newton are true..then this means that in such a system, the most difficult and problematic souls would be assigned those bodies and lives. Where they get to live out contrast so they can be given an opportunity to do things correctly.

If they individually fail in those given and elected tasks..then the are likely going to find themselves with most of what they are today...erased from existence. This, when their lives end. Newton's hypnosis of all his different individuals and those regressions of all those other practitioners is clear enough on that aspect..if you read the works well enough. essentially, people are not punished for killing and to be 'possessed by the demons of the body's conflicts and responses'..this is considered to be the part of the situation to be overcome by the given individual. Many chances are given. So it appears to be a totally open ended system/game/experiment/school. HOWEVER, in the end, it is not. There is a wall.

They have been told the 'game' has no walls, and no limits. Well, that might be true until one finds a limit by encountering it. The way to have an experiment be 'free' from influence it in this sort of case, tell or illustrate to the experimentees (subjects)...that there is no limit ---and run it that way. UNTIL they (this subgroup of the subjects) bump into a wall.... and the rules change, subtly, for those who have just bumped into the given wall.

Carmody are you saying we have bumped into the 'wall' - i.e. that Charles' information informs us that we are not free individuals but part of a grand experiment? Or, that we are part of a "closed system" and not able to change it, period, done end of story? Please clarify THE WALL.

[ruisatriani]

Norman said it all: the analogy only works if it is a human with a shotgun!

Here, is a deer thinking he should kill other deers!
You can go around it all, but there is no escape: it is just WRONG! end of story

[Rocky_Shorz]

20 seconds to change the future of our planet by convincing Rothschild there is a better way forward...

The Templars were controlled by the 33?

they started the international banking system, and "profits" were used to give medical help and food to the poor...

why did the 33 change their mind and turn the Catholic church on the Templars to regain financial control?

were they mad the deer were being fed by those under the 33s control?

were they mad the Templars were treating those dying from the Black Plaque the 33 had released on humanity?

so many good questions in this thread, but will any be answered?

[bashi]

Thanks Bashi for your interesting post!

I wonder, what would be your "proper reaction"? Listening, submitting constructive comments, act in gentille ways...? We are at risk anyway..., and we know all that we will die sometimes, how may we build a better world for those that follow, our children, our grand-children.

IMHO, probably like us, the group of 33 doesn't know where they come from, they seem to know where they would like to go (we are not included, we are dispensable), they don't give a star on us anyway..., so what do you think members should do...?

All my blessings.

Deega

There are several possibilities why the vid was granted.

All this is under the assumption that the reason for the vid is a call, even if only an indirect one.
Maybe that’s a naïve and a too positive standpoint, but by having that standpoint less damage might get inflicted and nothing is lost. This is all under “suspended judgment”.

If they are around for millions of years already, then there is a good chance that they do not need assistance. On the other hand they might have repeatedly made the same mistakes and want to change something.
Maybe outside forces are dictating a change in the game…

Well, what to do? Your choice…
This might be a complete new situation and it will take time to adapt.
If you wake up in complete darkness in an unknown enviro and you notice the light is increasing, then why not just relax and wait until more becomes clear.

The whole thing is exiting, but wouldn`t it be unwise to storm animalistic ahead without being able to return to the original position and then fall off the unnoticed cliff?

So, I would also opt for the waiting game…

It is a pity that - for now - Bill is not able to contribute more.

[Carmody]

Carmody are you saying we have bumped into the 'wall' - i.e. that Charles' information informs us that we are not free individuals but part of a grand experiment? Or, that we are part of a "closed system" and not able to change it, period, done end of story? Please clarify THE WALL.

According to Newton, a given soul is granted many chances to correct itself. Some have even killed thousands. If a life is a soul getting a lesson, then the idea of the value of life changes dramatically. Which brings one to the edge of seeing an open ended game. A school.

if one is in a body in a Somnambulistic duality state, ie ego drive semiconscious...which about 99.99+% of humans are (including anyone reading this-and the writer)...then we get a chance to understand action and consequence as the form of a lesson. Death and taxes being part of that lesson.

Now, IF the 33 bloodlines are aware of these aspects and damage 'the game'... their their actions will result in something akin to, according to the information we have so far..a full or near full canceling of their individual tickets.

Ignorance is allowed , nay is part of the game. Fully intentional.

Willful damage.... in full knowledge, however.... is a different situation altogether.

I'm saying that if this logic proposed follows through, at all, then this group has bumped into a wall of the game. One that was purposely held from them ....in order to have the experiment flow --unimpeded.

One does not allow the destruction of (suppositionally speaking) an experiment and system of about 7 billion incarnating souls.... all over a few members of a bloodline. specifically when this is the sort of thing that the experiment was designed around dealing with. And the experiment is seemingly designed around dealing with those parameters, in the specific.

How will the individuals the incarnated individuals all together, ultimately...in the collective.....how will they work this out?

So now the egoic imperative and issue...comes to a head on the individual and collective level. As above, so below.

[lightblue]

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please pay attention to what "charles" was saying when confronted with bill's interference "allegation" - he said that the inetreference or the way it "was meant to be" could be considered as one and the same...i read into it: they are intrefering when either: the humanity's actions precipitate the credible "interference" , which gets accepted as a natural sequence/result of events; or when the change is due anyway, let's say induced by higher forces - i think we are due a big change from sources other than the 33 and according to their recipe, they will want to touch it up, take a credit for it, so that they stay on track with their envisaged looong term agenda..

what's so obviously manipulated, consistently and for eons, is a positive human EMOTION (compassion) - which is something that the 33 so painfully lack...what they would like to see, i think, is that that emotion turns to despair and fear - which would serve them just fine... my response would be: get in touch with your higher self for instructions...the situation requires urgency..see if you could be given a tool to counteract this impending danger...and resist through no means of their own...:stop: l

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[wynderer]

here's an out-there thought [w/no disrespect intended to Bill] -- i've noticed that when my own gov't is slipping thru some especially nasty bit of legislation, there is always some big diversionary hoopla on TV , along the lines of the O.J trial -- i'm wondering if this interview could be along these lines? look at the response it's getting here on this forum -- i wonder what's going on behind the scenes [ of the NWO, not at PA]

[Ahkenaten]

According to Newton, a given soul is granted many chances to correct itself. Some have even killed thousands. If a life is a soul getting a lesson, then the idea of the value of life changes dramatically. Which brings one to the edge of seeing an open ended game. A school.

if one is in a body in a Somnambulistic duality state, ie ego drive semiconscious...which about 99.99+% of humans are (including anyone reading this-and the writer)...then we get a chance to understand action and consequence as the form of a lesson. Death and taxes being part of that lesson.

Now, IF the 33 bloodlines are aware of these aspects and damage 'the game'... their their actions will result in something akin to, according to the information we have so far..a full or near full canceling of their individual tickets.

Ignorance is allowed , nay is part of the game. Fully intentional.

Willful damage.... in full knowledge, however.... is a different situation altogether.

I'm saying that if this logic proposed follows through, at all, then this group has bumped into a wall of the game. One that was purposely held from them ....in order to have the experiment flow --unimpeded.

One does not allow the destruction of (suppositionally speaking) an experiment and system of about 7 billion incarnating souls.... all over a few members of a bloodline. specifically when this is the sort of thing that the experiment was designed around dealing with. And the experiment is seemingly designed around dealing with those parameters, in the specific.

How will the individuals the incarnated individuals all together, ultimately...in the collective.....how will they work this out?

So now the egoic imperative and issue...comes to a head on the individual and collective level. As above, so below.

OK, thanks. Now IF this is true or even close to true hear this: I will NOT acquiesce to the sacrifice of billions of my fellow humans to advance any paradigm. THIS is where I draw the line.

[bashi]

Charles mentioned something like the 7 Billion are due to a “mistake in the machine”.

There is a theory: That the souls are getting “harvested and recycled” in a huge machine, which is positioned on the moon. This process is repeated over and over again. Maybe this cycle can only be broken by getting enlightened…

If it’s a “mistake”, then the 33 would be the extended hand of an alien program-fix.
But isn't it naive to think 7 Billion is a "mistake"?

[Ahkenaten]

Charles mentioned something like the 7 Billion are due to a “mistake in the machine”.

There is a theory: That the souls are getting “harvested and recycled” in a huge machine, which is positioned on the moon. This process is repeated over and over again. Maybe this cycle can only be broken by getting enlightened…

If it’s a “mistake”, then the 33 would be the extended hand of an alien program-fix.
But isn't it naive to think 7 Billion is a "mistake"?

it surely is NOT merely a mistake if the billions are also an energy source to be directed this way or that.............just a thought. Also this periodic "harvest" appears, when reviewing the fossil and geological record, to be cyclical and entrained with energetic cycles interconnecting our solar system with other celestial forces within, and outside of this galaxy

as for 'enlightment" it is no mistake that the noble ones of ancient and present times emphasize meditation as the royal path to transcendence Bashi as you well know

[Carmody]

Charles mentioned something like the 7 Billion are due to a “mistake in the machine”.

There is a theory: That the souls are getting “harvested and recycled” in a huge machine, which is positioned on the moon. This process is repeated over and over again. Maybe this cycle can only be broken by getting enlightened…

If it’s a “mistake”, then the 33 would be the extended hand of an alien program-fix.
But isn't it naive to think 7 Billion is a "mistake"?[/SIZE]

That would be as naive as thinking the thing he stated (as being naive), which is to think that some ships would cover light years to get here.... and then suddenly crash in the US desert.

Regarding a 'machine on the moon', this may be part of the 'game'. Ie the limiting of souls to this sphere of influence, or range of adventure. The alluded to 'morphic field' limits. The limit being held by ego function, is one potential interpretation.

[lightblue]

Charles mentioned something like the 7 Billion are due to a “mistake in the machine”.

There is a theory: That the souls are getting “harvested and recycled” in a huge machine, which is positioned on the moon. This process is repeated over and over again. Maybe this cycle can only be broken by getting enlightened…

If it’s a “mistake”, then the 33 would be the extended hand of an alien program-fix.
But isn't it naive to think 7 Billion is a "mistake"?

i remember john lear mention that the grays are collecting the souls and taking them to the moon for re-cycling...maybe that's what charles was referring to when he mentioned "that thing on the moon"... l

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[Swami]

About the artifact on the Moon Charles spoke off..........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWBf-yD27VE

From min. 11:40

[norman]

.......There is a theory: That the souls are getting “harvested and recycled” in a huge machine, which is positioned on the moon. This process is repeated over and over again.......




Now where did I put that John Lear mp3 file?

and where does he get all his inside info from!?

[bashi]

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please pay attention to what "charles" was saying when confronted with bill's interference "allegation" - he said that the inetreference or the way it "was meant to be" could be considered as one and the same...i read into it: they are intrefering when either: the humanity's actions precipitate the credible "interference" , which gets accepted as a natural sequence/result of events; or when the change is due anyway, let's say induced by higher forces - i think we are due a big change from sources other than the 33 and according to their recipe, they will want to touch it up, take a credit for it, so that they stay on track with their envisaged looong term agenda..
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Somehow this issue of "interference" and "meant to be" is not entirely clear to me.
Bill mentioned something about a lion jumping on the deer…
Can you please shed some more light on it?

[Deega]

Thanks Bashi for your interesting comments,


There are several possibilities why the vid was granted.

Are you aware of real possibilities that was given to you, or, you’re throwing hypothesis..? And admitting your hypothesis is good, we are invited by the representative of the Annunaki Nation (do you see it that way?) to let then know what we think of what is coming..., would this seem reasonable...?


Maybe that’s a naïve and a too positive standpoint, but by having that standpoint less damage might get inflicted and nothing is lost. This is all under “suspended judgment”.

I concur that “suspended judgment” would be the appropriate gesture. But, emotions run high for many members, even passion is in for some members, so, it is really hard not to questioned this interview.


If they are around for millions of years already, then there is a good chance that they do not need assistance. On the other hand they might have repeatedly made the same mistakes and want to change something.

Then, may I conclude that it’s the Annunaki, the Reptilian (Queen, Bush, Kissinger likes – as reference by David Ickle, Arizona Wilder) race trying to get in openly. Unfortunately, they want to be in on their conditions, it would be great, at least, if we would be considered partners, you will agreed!


Maybe outside forces are dictating a change in the game…

Do you have any clue...?, and Yes!, this would be interesting, but what outside forces, from which galaxy, for what purposes...?


This might be a complete new situation and it will take time to adapt.

What do you see here...?, is it something we are already familiar...?, and may you share what you hold...?



If you wake up in complete darkness in an unknown enviro and you notice the light is increasing, then why not just relax and wait until more becomes clear.

Unfortunately, I will end up in the state your implying, but I’m not sure if I will be in with the means it takes to react, I’m talking about death. On the other side, if ever a powerful event occur near Earth, and we are caught up in a vortex where we lost our benchmarks, we will surely be panicky to start with, but, we will be able to analyze as best we can (if we can!) the situation and live through it, a new beginning, if still alive, hope that it will be liveable.


It is a pity that - for now - Bill is not able to contribute more.

Your right! And unfortunately, Bill seems so impress by this guy, and we are critical like we should be, “suspended judgment” would surely help, but it’s overwhelming!

All my blessings.

Deega

[Ahkenaten]

That would be as naive as thinking the thing he stated (as being naive), which is to think that some ships would cover light years to get here.... and then suddenly crash in the US desert.

Regarding a 'machine on the moon', this may be part of the 'game'. Ie the limiting of souls to this sphere of influence, or range of adventure. The alluded to 'morphic field' limits. The limit being held by ego function, is one potential interpretation.

so the ego is the WALL??

[OneLittleFrog]

It's not because we're trying to be nice guys. It's for strategic purposes as well.

I understand that some of you can embrace the 'strategic purposes' of this plan. Some can't. Sorry. Clearly, I'll be one of the first deer in the crosshairs. :)

Just curious -- is EUGENICS being promoted here as well? It fell out of favor after WWII when it was so arduously pursued by Hitler's scientists, but it seems to fit the 33's plan perfectly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

So who should they eliminate first? (Besides me....) The handicapped, that's an easy start. Don't want deaf or blind folks taking up resources. Shoot 'em. Down's Syndrome children? Obviously not worth anything - gas 'em. Elderly? Time's up. And for heaven's sake, we won't tolerate any wheelchairs in the herd!

And if you believe the Anglo-Saxon Mission, you know certain racial types will be favored, and others won't. All part of the strategy. They know what they're doing.

Oh and once you've destroyed the useless ones and left the favored ones, make sure you get that chip implanted on them so they don't wander off.

[bashi]

About the artifact on the Moon Charles spoke off..........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWBf-yD27VE

From min. 11:40

I think its even worth to start at Part 1:


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[bashi]

Thanks Bashi for your interesting comments,

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Are you aware of real possibilities that was given to you, or, you’re throwing hypothesis..? And admitting your hypothesis is good, we are invited by the representative of the Annunaki Nation (do you see it that way?) to let then know what we think of what is coming..., would this seem reasonable...?



I concur that “suspended judgment” would be the appropriate gesture. But, emotions run high for many members, even passion is in for some members, so, it is really hard not to questioned this interview.



Then, may I conclude that it’s the Annunaki, the Reptilian (Queen, Bush, Kissinger likes – as reference by David Ickle, Arizona Wilder) race trying to get in openly. Unfortunately, they want to be in on their conditions, it would be great, at least, if we would be considered partners, you will agreed!



Do you have any clue...?, and Yes!, this would be interesting, but what outside forces, from which galaxy, for what purposes...?



What do you see here...?, is it something we are already familiar...?, and may you share what you hold...?


Unfortunately, I will end up in the state your implying, but I’m not sure if I will be in with the means it takes to react, I’m talking about death. On the other side, if ever a powerful event occur near Earth, and we are caught up in a vortex where we lost our benchmarks, we will surely be panicky to start with, but, we will be able to analyze as best we can (if we can!) the situation and live through it, a new beginning, if still alive, hope that it will be liveable.



Your right! And unfortunately, Bill seems so impress by this guy, and we are critical like we should be, “suspended judgment” would surely help, but it’s overwhelming!

All my blessings.

Deega


I think these are all good questions to get forwarded to Charles et al...

[Carmody]

so the ego is the WALL??

Not exactly my meaning. The wall, in my estimation, ie an 'edge' of the experiment, might be ...the lack of understanding or personal lack of self control -when the full shape of the thing is directly on their table.

The story, for a fairly long time now, has been that the limit of the sphere of influence for the dis-incarnate who do not return to the source, is that which surrounds the earth.

In my meager experience in this area, when I took it upon myself to deal with my own ego function and also at the time time, simultaneously remove blocks on my kundalini..I was told, at that time, by one individual that I had no limit on me, with regard to leaving the sphere of influence that limits souls or excursions to the earthly area.

When I did this, i went into what is known as 'the sleepless state' where one barely sleeps at all. Maybe an hour per night. I did this for over 1.5 years, closer to two years.

The interesting part is how the intensity followed the astrological patterning to a perfect fit. The moon cycles were the most intense. At that time of my life, I could see through probability and time and I could manifest as a more solid apparition in remote places than one would think. I could also overlay or juxtapose myself on other beings or even people. it was a fascinating bit of stuff to be sure.

As well, when the barriers drop, one gains a more diverse and open level of logic and intelligence. In my particular case, I found that no questions in the realm of physics were possible to escape me. Time, I would still need -to work through the given question, but the end was, to me, a pretty powerful certainty. Most importantly ethics, morality, logic, etc are in that mental state, far far less ego driven. For the question and answer set is substantially shifted through knowledge.

Most specifically, when one drops the coloration of the ego, visualizations and understandings that can come through are similarly clarified, shifted, and changed.

You are looking, seemingly, for absolutes. black and whites. That, IMO and IME, comes from ego influence. defining borders and shapes in order to know where one stands so one can 'feel safe'. I'm not in the answer business. I'm in the realm of hoping to inspire thought, so people can find their own answers.

In my understanding of it....Black and white worlds and the providing of safety and answers ---is the core of the problem presented here. It is an ego imperative that is pushing for it.

[Fredkc]

Ok, I am going to try my first post to this thing.

To begin with, this is an interesting thread, in terms of seeing how people react to the information in the interview. I have to say that, in many respects, I am a bit underwhelmed. I get the notion that it bears repeating that this was not an easy exchange for anyone involved. I also think it needs more thinking vs. the reacting it has received, at this point.

I was surprised to see so much time given to the idea "Bill sold out" expressed in varying degrees. Passion is a fine thing for motivation, but it seldom makes sound decisions. My impression of the interview, the one I am using while I think on it, is closer to the idea of when "Nixon went to China".

Seen in this light, you can probably throw out any standards about whether or not Charles, or anyone behind him "lied". Please! Don't be that silly. It benefits no one. Neither Bill nor Charles is "Satan" in this exchange. It seemed very plain to me that both parties knew they were speaking to an adversary.

Of course this means you lie! And being offended by that simple fact is not going to move things at all. What becomes important is to:
* Take what information you can away from the encounter, and DO something with it!! (No, hand-wringing does not count)
* Do your best to keep a dialog going.

If you think Charles is who he says he is, even remotely, then what you have here is dialog from someone connected to something as yet only spoken of in terms or rumor. Given that...

Wouldn't it be a much more productive to spend the time on what to do with the information?

Now, it seems to me that the way to do this, isn't about reacting to the delivery of new information, but instead what to do with said info. For instance, as I write this there are 381 posts to this thread. Why aren't at least 300 of them about independent, non-GMO farming efforts? Seed banks, and the like?

If you ask me (and I just did), this is the perfect thing to be about. All the whining about the "evil beast" before us is completely irrelevant, unless this is countered. Not with "warfare", but with independent energy spent on the simple act of going another way.

Think about the fact that, whatever other resistance you might have planned becomes a complete waste of time, if someone shuts the food off. "Where now be your well-laid plans?" Your ability to say no, peacefully, or otherwise, is gone. Unless you have long ago (meaning right now) gone another way.

There must be at least 10 other bits of information in this encounter that can be used to begin taking apart what we've known for a long time. While I wish it weren't so, my impression is that, if a vote were taken today, most of the posters here would simply elect to shoot the messenger, and go one from there.

Is this the best answer at hand?

Choose again.

Fred

[lightblue]

Somehow this issue of "interference" and "meant to be" is not entirely clear to me.
Bill mentioned something about a lion jumping on the deer…
Can you please shed some more light on it?

remember the concluding scene from gibson'e apocalypto when cortez's ships approach the shores of aztec land ..the aztec protagonists interpret the event as something which "was meant to happen" (end of their civilization as professed by their legend) and discontinue the chase...now, did cortez go into conqest because it was fortold he would conquer aztecs? ...when treated as gods, cortez and his lethal thugs do not deny the honour..this could be described as interference on cortez's part and in realtion to what i think charles meant...it's a trick in esssence..

i missed bill's "a lion jumping on the deer"...where was it?

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[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

I've arrived back at my desk just now, after a few days traveling. Tomorrow (Wednesday 5 Jan) I'll be able to start answering questions in detail.

I'll explain as much of the backstory as I can without crossing over agreed lines. I'm not going to do anything tonight except catch up a little... I'm pretty tired.

In the meanwhile, this post (added a few hours ago) is important - my deer-and-the-gamekeeper metaphor. (http://projectavalon.net/showthread.php?10234-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-a-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview&p=88981&viewfull=1#post88981) Do please take a look if you missed this important clarification.

There's also much more that I can start to lay out rather more clearly, in a form that's as easy to digest as possible. Please bear with me in the meantime.

And welcome, again, to all the most recent new members - you're in the highest quality forum on the internet. :)

My best wishes to everyone - Bill

[Carmody]

Ok, I am going to try my first post to this thing.

To begin with, this is an interesting thread, in terms of seeing how people react to the information in the interview. I have to say that, in many respects, I am a bit underwhelmed. I get the notion that it bears repeating that this was not an easy exchange for anyone involved. I also think it needs more thinking vs. the reacting it has received, at this point.

* * *

There must be at least 10 other bits of information in this encounter that can be used to begin taking apart what we've known for a long time. While I wish it weren't so, my impression is that, if a vote were taken today, most of the posters here would simply elect to shoot the messenger, and go one from there.

Is this the best answer at hand?

Choose again.

Fred




Thank you, Fred.

[Ahkenaten]

Not exactly my meaning. The wall, in my estimation, ie an 'edge' of the experiment, might be ...the lack of understanding or personal lack of self control -when the full shape of the thing is directly on their table.
.....

You are looking, seemingly, for absolutes. black and whites. That, IMO and IME, comes from ego influence. defining borders and shapes in order to know where one stands so one can 'feel safe'. I'm not in the answer business. I'm in the realm of hoping to inspire thought, so people can find their own answers.

In my understanding of it....Black and white worlds and the providing of safety and answers ---is the core of the problem presented here. It is an ego imperative that is pushing for it.

Thanks for the clarification. Actually I firmly occupy the GREY area............

[bashi]

i missed bill's "a lion jumping on the deer"...where was it?

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it was at the same time mentioned as a reply to Charles.

[Kikine]

Here is a discussion about Charles' Project Avalon interview on the Universal Truth Evolution blogtalk radio show.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/universaltruthevolution/2011/01/04/modus-operandi-of-the-controllers-important-discus

Good points are made and it worth watching.

[greybeard]

When you know there is an ultimate authority, God Creator call it what you will, and that you are the master of your destiny here and destination after death
As you sow so shall you reap.
Then whats the worry?
Its all set up with the rules of the cosmos which includes karma, all balanced, all fair.
Just be kind to all life including your own, no matter what and that of course includes Charles and members of 66.
It will come back to you as it must, if not in this life time then later.
The 66 are also bound by rules of karma.

The moment you think you are controlled then you are in the victim perpetrator mode.
Just dont go there.
Charles seems to want to take Avalon further down the rabbit hole.

Nassim Hariem says that the Old Testiment covers the technical power of the Ark of the Covenant and Alien "intervention" regarding pyramid building Red Sea parting etc.
People who came in contact with the Ark either got burned (radiation) or got special powers (Charles - machine -sickness I wonder)

Nassim also says the New Testament is about developing spiritually so that we would be worthy of and could safely handle advanced technology without blowing up the world with our war like nature. 95% of our history we have been at war.


So basically look to personally evolve spiritually, that is in my opinion the way forward.
Charles and 66 seem to be a distraction from that at least so far into the dialog.

Chris

[Elly]

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[SIZE="3"]please pay attention to what "charles" was saying when confronted with bill's interference "allegation" - he said that the inetreference or the way it "was meant to be" could be considered as one and the same...i read into it: they are intrefering when either: the humanity's actions precipitate the credible "interference" , which gets accepted as a natural sequence/result of events; or when the change is due anyway, let's say induced by higher forces - i think we are due a big change from sources other than the 33 ...

This line of thoughts might be interesting. But I still do not fully understand what you mean.

It brings me to this question : Could the suppression of 95% of the population be allowed? Where would all these souls go? Would non interference rule still stand in such a drastic plan?

[Ahkenaten]

I hope you've factored in that they're 1/3 of the way through a multi million year project taking a 100,000 year meeting and they're not taking calls.

not to be cavalier when discussing a very serious subject - but especially they are not taking collect calls

[Anchor]

Come on PTB, unlock the vaults.
Let us know our history so we have true freedom of choice. Then, you can be sure that any that incarnate here again are on board voluntarily.They don't hold the key, you do - we all do!

[g.k.r]

thanks again for an interesting interview, looking forward to a follow up to this, ive been following camelot a few years so didnt really surprise me. i know of monsanto too.lol. tho you dont mention names in vid, didnt know they do not produce seeds tho so was interesting, suppose its like the banana trees of today. look when that bug hit them and was worried we lose them. so i understand what he is saying about the control of food. was he on about the skeletons on the moon i wonder, as i said, really looking forward to the continuation of this. excuse any spelling mistakes too.lol

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p.s happy new year to all also and hope 2011 can be a good year and not a bad one like some have predicted :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

we did see the food crisis coming as soon as it started being used to fuel our cars...

Now with Gas prices rising, more and more food will be taken from the mouths of babes to feed our gas guzzling transports...

we could be moving around in trains powered by magnetism, autos powered by vortex air generators...

if the 33 would allow free energy inventions, we have enough food for everyone on this planet...


so what could we possibly offer the 33 to change their minds?


how about the Templar treasures they took from you and hid?
or a key to the gateway you need opened to allow the crossing to happen?
are you looking to communicate with the ETs stopping your plans?

The game is on and we're holding aces that money can't buy...

[noprophet]

Now with Gas prices rising, more and more food will be taken from the mouths of babes to feed our gas guzzling transports...

ooo, this never occurred to me. Create a food shortage + make money of alternative fuel... Sneaky.

[Thunderbird]

reposting this since it felt like I've put some good hours into this whole experience on the outside chance that it is for real.

I havent gotten any worthwhile response or dialogue with Bill or Kerry or anyone else for that matter.

I am feeling a bit like, FTH, good for the "Game Wardens" at this point.

Haven't been so disappointed in Humanity since I was in Elementary school and learned about how we are depleting the Ozone layer.



I once had a very insightful conversation with John Perkins the man who wrote "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," at some random event that he was speaking at.

He shook my hand in what I thought was an awkward way. I obviously didn't know what the proper way to shake his hand was. lol. He later intimated that the thought that I was there to kill him had crossed his mind.

Now, I am by NO means any sort of character that would be doing anything CLOSE to that sort of thing. I was just some random guy at a random event, but I could tell that he was genuinely concerned. Perhaps he was far past the line and men such as "Charles" had paid him "soft" visits in the past.

After all, he was one of the people who DID do some of the "softer" persuasion tactics that "Charles" describes, only he "worked" with heads of state. Whether "Charles" does or not is inconsequential.

John's message was one of self control, voting with your dollars, and becoming educated as to the true workings of the world. He wanted to give people a chance.

Interestingly, he said this to me when i asked him about free energy....
"Look at what we've done with energy since the industrial revolution...how much more would we mess up the planet if it was abundant and everywhere. "

At the time i didn't like the answer. I didn't want to, because I believed in the over whelming goodness of mankind. I believed everyone was like me, able to exist in homeostasis with our environment, wanting the highest good for all beings. Now, i am aware that the world is a business model and as well intentioned as i was...i was living in fairy tale land.

Now, of course it is also telling that a man of his nature, position, and previous work habits was afraid for his life. That displays the commitment of the people he worked on behalf of and the seriousness they prescribe to their dealings.

I am not here as a judge of men by any stretch of the imagination, however I would like to take the moment to point out how committed they are to what they might consider a "lowest collateral" global takeover.

Why forcibly enslave the globe through military force only to watch it crumble the minute it is in place, when you can with enough patience and determination position the planet to create your favored outcome. To quote "Charles," is it murder to kill 30 people to save 300,000?

Rather than conquer the globe with force, as has been done countless times throughout history to no avail, they have devised what I must appreciate as a tactical, patient, strategic, well hidden, well thought out plan that is laser like in its attention to detail and scope. It DOES meet what I presume is their criteria for a "bloodless" coup, though it may not meet yours. It DOES display an attempt at doing the right thing by their measure.

After all, isn't it reasonable from their perspective as evidenced by "Charles" to get rid of a couple problems rather than actively kill millions? Aren't they presumably trying to make a utopian, healthy, advanced planet and civilization?

We mustn't prescribe our moral values on a culture that has an entirely different modality, and cultural value, as abhorrent as you may judge it to be. Remember they do not consider it killing off the population if the population isn't smart enough to figure out whats going on and know how to be self sufficient if food production is cut off.

I for one would LOVE to live in a world where such tactics, strategies, and force aren't necessary. Alas, at this point in Humanity's evolution this does not seem to be the case. If I COULD swipe my hand and make it that way I would, but as it is not that way AND we have been "dealt a ****ty hand" as was said earlier somewhere in this forum, I make this series of propositions:

1. Deal with it.
It is unpleasant. It is ****ty. You don't run the show. You don't even run the green room at the show. You're lucky to be in the audience at all at this point. you've walked into a room and people are playing a game that you don't know the rules. you don't even know the name of the game!

2. That fact is "the Elite" are you.
You must forgive yourself of all your faults. You must forgive yourself for being manipulative, deceitful, cruel, heartless, and any and all of the horrible things you prescribe to these folks. If you see it in them, its because its in you at some level, even if its benign. This was the hardest part of this process for me over the past few years, accepting my own characteristics that limited me.

If you want to get heady about it, think of the globe as a whole organism. We individual humans are "thoughts" on this planet. Here for a blink of an eye. Imagine your life sped up to one fraction of a second and watch it from space. You would look like a lightning bolt across the face of the globe...or rather a firing of neurons in a brain. These divine (aren't we all?) human beings "running" the planet could be thought of as fundamental "egoic" thoughts concerned with self preservation, control, making sense of a chaotic field of information. They have a fundamentally important role to play in the character of our civilization, just as having those same thoughts scaled down to the individual level protect you and help you function and stay alive in your own experience. Every one makes order out of chaos throughout their WHOLE lives.

3. If we are to create a world together, it has to be "together."
Everyone's needs must be met without judgement. Any good business person and negotiator will find out what each party's needs, wants, and deal breakers are and come up with solutions that meets each party's needs without pushing the deal breakers.

4. There are NO "shoulds"
The world "shouldn't" be this way. the world "shouldn't" be that way...It is what we make of it.

5. Accept your power
If you were to accept about yourself what the "elite" have accepted about themselves in the first place...NONE of this would be happening. They accept that they are powerful. They accept that they are divine. They ACCEPT that the world is what THEY make of it. AND....THEY ARE ACTING ON IT. And, by their account doing the best they know how to do. What's your excuse?

6. Look at the georgia guidestones.
Want to know what they want? Look there. If I were to paint a global civilization Id pretty much do what it says. It makes sense. I mean, these families HAVE had hundreds if not thousands of years to come up with a vision, make a business plan, and implement it. Of course, its that pesky first one thats got the masses all riled up now hasn't it. Population at 500,000,000 i believe? I mean everything else is pretty dang reasonable, heck even desirable...

So population....
I would offer that it isn't so much a problem of how many, but rather management. Specifically, management of resources. I have stated that I believe the planet CAN sustain Billions and Billions of people if resources were managed properly, and organizational structures were created properly. I would go so far as to assert that a form of socialism were necessary to manage that many people and systems. It would, however require "buy in."

If a clearly defined vision of what we are trying to create were proposed and people were inspired to create it with the type of leadership people like JFK, MLK, and Ghandi represented and some creative marketing thrown into the mix, while still giving functioning power to the people who hold the cards, so to speak, then we have a starting point. I believe this is what "they" were attempting to do with "Barry Sotero" or whatever people think his name is.

JFK's problem was that from 'their" perspective he was gonna f-up the whole business model....the FED.

I'd say to would be revolutionaries...can't have a revolution unless your willing to eat rats.

As Bill stated in his opening, the technology IS there to make this vision real. We CAN clean up this mess. We CAN provide food, water, clean energy, and the basics to people of the world, perhaps in exchange for directed effort towards the goals of the planet.

We could control the population with incentives, tax breaks, what have you, if people will limit THEMSELVES to a certain amount of children.

We could keep nation states, make WW3 the highest ratings "war game" that helps nations resolve trade disputes, generates billions of dollars, doesn't kill anyone, but still trains soldiers to go into space and defend our planet. Which i believe is VERY important.

With a little patience and dedication we could really come up with all sorts of workable, desirable, solutions.

but for now....I must go to sleep.

Goodnight.

[Fractalius]

I'll respond Thunder. I saw that post already and I largely disagree with most of what you say.
Particularly the latter half of the post. It seems like you have been assimilated into Orwellian thinking and ideals.

[Celine]

Seems to me like a dedicated youth with great vision has spent time learning realities of life...and feels like he has hit a wall..

[Carmody]

The last thing to happen before change comes, is the negativity has to be complete -it has to be at it's peak. It will naturally be at its peak.

[greybeard]

The last thing to happen before change comes, is the negativity has to be complete -it has to be at it's peak. It will naturally be at its peak.

Yes Carmody. The human race or the way we live has become dysfunctional.
Chaos has to reign before change can occur.
Chris

[Tuza]

Still talking as if this 33 are the be all and end all. I don't give them any power, I don't give the green slimies any power. There is a power that people seem to be forgetting. I am putting my faith in that power.

[Fractalius]

Greybeard. Chaos is a catalyst to change. Change is a choice. The choice was always available at any time, so chaos is not necessarily compulsory. However at each turn, the failure to choose balance has swung the pendulum further and further in the direction of chaos being required. I am suggesting that yes your post is correct, now. But it was maybe not always necessary. How far back one goes to when it was not necessary is the question, and I know I am splitting hairs here. Effective change DOES need to come from an event that changes the outlook of EVERYONE. Meaning, to change but only a small township, is not effective. If one 'township' began living in order, they would be victimised and taken advantage of by others. The best way to change EVERYONE, is from EVERYONE being presented with the lesson that is most appropriate to them alone. The use of money to try and unify a tool to use to prompt such things in EVERYONE, is maybe prudent in some areas yet it has also caused further problems.
IME/O. Each persons, personal 'chaos' is a thing which is governed by all that is. Not by other beings whom are also subject to the laws of karma. However, they can be part of an equation, a tool used by all that is. They just aren't, all that is.

[ScubaMonkey]

My opinion at the moment, based on the responses I've read so far on this forum and elsewhere, is that it's unlikely that Charles would do another interview, or that much more information (if any) would be sanctioned by the controlling group.

Hi Bill,

I can only assume that this means he doesn't feel the interview made a difference. It may interest Charles to know (or he simply may not care) that one thing has stuck in my mind at least. Now don't get me wrong, I'm by no ways convinced about him but he said one thing, he effectively issued a challenge, and it's been nibbling away at my brain since watching the video on New Years Day.

He challenged us to turn our TV's off for 14 days. Not to even watch videos on-line, and see what the difference is. Now for many on this forum I know this would not be a big deal, but I'm a guy that loves his TV. I live on my own and I'm one of the guys with a giant plasma screen and all the seats in the living room point towards it. If I'm in the house the TV is on, even if I'm reading or doing other stuff. Hell, I even fall asleep most nights watching camelot/avalon videos or the like.

What he said made me think about the amount time I spend on TV, DVD's, computer games etc. The thought of going without it completely genuinely worries me. My thoughts are still that I don't think I could cope, its generally how I unwind after work for a start. Tonight I've discussed this with friends who are definitely not "awake" (although I did get one of them to nearly sit through Zeitgeist ;) ), and they think I'm crazy and couldn't last a day, saying as I watch more s**t than any of them.

So, if you speak to Charles and if you think he'd be bothered, please let him know I'm taking him up on his challenge. From Monday my TV will not go on and I'll watch no videos, etc, online. I think I'm still going to allow music but no radio, but I'm not sure. I'll try this 14 day challenge as my own little experiment. I may even document it somewhere - although I'm not sure, as I've never done anything like that before. The reason I'm waiting till Monday is that I have people stopping this weekend and they'll want the TV on. There's also a few things in my planner I'm wanting to watch first. I also need to stock up on books that I have not read yet!

It may be a tiny thing, but one thing he said made a little difference.

p.s. I should also add the caveat that this now joins my new years resolutions of stopping smoking and getting fit, so it's entirely possible that I'm biting off more than I can chew with all three of these things.

[Carmody]

The mind chatter will increase,and your ego will have no way to focus you on anything but itself. What will happen is you will be nervous. In free fall, to a degree.

What will happen is that your mind will begin to wake up. Two weeks will cover the beginnings of the murmurings.

You will be in the beginning of the process of re-claiming your mind from the sewer of noise that media and television is.

Mankind, and the individual... do much better without the noise, overall. one's brain starts to work again.

And..IMO and IME, if one is watching television, and dealing directly with major media, their brain is not working at full capacity. Even though they feel it may be - it really isn't.

You understandings of how the world actually is... will increase, not decrease. The noise is in itself, the heart of the crime. However, it needs be witnessed first hand in order to understand that point.

The sooner you get yourself away from the television, the sooner you will get down the road to understanding that.

Remove ALL news. All major media. No newspapers, no news shows, nothing. Silence the chatter and you will find you advance faster, not slower. Music is natural, necessary, so yes, include real and actual music.

[Fractalius]

Agree Carmody. Been a non TV fellow for quite a few years. This also brings me to make comment regards a post regarding the types of people on this forum for instance, being a 'pinnacle'. I was going to post at the time but refrained. It may be true that there are 'awake' people here, yet the pinnacle, are not interested in the chatter. Gauging level of energy from sites such as this is only an indication as to the level of those who are still thinking not being.

[Tuza]

Am I missing something here, I thought we all had free will and that we had a soul. I feel empathy for Charles on a soul level I do, once we have left the body we can actually see clearly where we went askew. I am certainly not going to take anything on board that does not resonate with my inner feeling of things.

One thing I feel as I have said before the dark cabal had a wad of time and that time is closing fast. I would like to see Charles live the rest of his life in peace and contemplation but I also would like to see everyone on the planet have this and they don't. Life here is extremely unfair.

I am getting extremely annoyed with youtube videos in this field of people espousing that through this ritual and that power souls are taken, taken where. If that be the case I shall ask the higher power I believe in to take them back where they should be, from whence they first originated.

I have faith in other souls here don't give them any power. You used to put a half smile on my face Thunderbird with your optimistic posts, I miss those.

[Thunderbird]

I HAVE hit a wall.
And, i just don't want to play anymore.

[ScubaMonkey]

Remove ALL news. All major media. No newspapers, no news shows, nothing. Silence the chatter and you will find you advance faster, not slower. Music is natural, necessary, so yes, include real and actual music.

Thanks, Carmody.

I've been watching the alternative "game" now for about two years, simply as it interests and entertains me. I rarely watch major media nowadays, although I watch BBC news on occasion. Not for actual news obviously, but just to see what they are trying to say is going on in the world. Normally I watch comedies, sci-fi, documentaries, various series' of things and movies. As for newspapers, I may pick one up in the break room at work if I'm looking for a cheap laugh but that's all.

As for music, I've an eclectic taste and like a bit of classical here and there but for the most part it's gona be good old Rock and Roll.

Although I'm daunted by this experiment, I think I'm becoming a little excited too!

[Tuza]

Now I am a bit annoyed Thunderbird, you were optimistic and I hear what your saying and I felt the sense when you were first on PA that you were involved with the high flyers etc, etc.

If it gets down to the wire hon rather than accept any implant I will take myself out and maybe a few with me and ask my God for understanding.

[Anchor]

I HAVE hit a wall.
And, i just don't want to play anymore.

It will break, you wont... then after that you will play your heart out :)

[Faunus]

They believe they are the guardians of the experiment (or the project) that is the human race. They are planning for an outcome that's two million years away in the future. They don't care at all what happens tomorrow or next week or next century, as long as the project is on track.

Did you get any hints whatsoever about what that outcome is about?
My intuition tells me they were not the initiators of this so-called "human experiment", so what made them decide to suddenly adopt us?
I also get the sense that their project has "changed course" several times during the past million years,
and that the game is getting increasingly unpredictable... which indicates that "the rules" are being rewritten beyond their control.



As Charles tried to explain, the 33 'ruling families' have a totally different concept of time. That's because they're a third of the way through a three million year project - and are in it for the long haul. Do they care about you and me? Of course not. Why would they? Their concern is the DNA - not the people.

Like Neo-Darwinist Richard Dawkins' controversial book The Selfish Gene (http://amazon.com/Selfish-Gene-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0192860925), individual animals may just be the way that the DNA propagates itself. Like the chicken being just the way that the egg creates another egg.


If they are so concerned with the DNA, then why damage it with every conceivable poison and self-destructive emotion?
Are they simply throwing the kids into the pool so see who can swim and who will drown?
Is this their idea of "speeding up" evolution?

Or are they merely securing their food source by keeping us ignorant of our true potential...
I don't think they like the idea of too many people waking up.

With million-year projects they are likely seeing things from a slightly higher density than most people... but that doesn't necessarily make them wise.

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Bill,

I can only assume that this means he doesn't feel the interview made a difference. It may interest Charles to know (or he simply may not care) that one thing has stuck in my mind at least. Now don't get me wrong, I'm by no ways convinced about him but he said one thing, he effectively issued a challenge, and it's been nibbling away at my brain since watching the video on New Years Day.

He challenged us to turn our TV's off for 14 days. Not to even watch videos on-line, and see what the difference is. Now for many on this forum I know this would not be a big deal, but I'm a guy that loves his TV. I live on my own and I'm one of the guys with a giant plasma screen and all the seats in the living room point towards it. If I'm in the house the TV is on, even if I'm reading or doing other stuff. Hell, I even fall asleep most nights watching camelot/avalon videos or the like.

What he said made me think about the amount time I spend on TV, DVD's, computer games etc. The thought of going without it completely genuinely worries me. My thoughts are still that I don't think I could cope, its generally how I unwind after work for a start. Tonight I've discussed this with friends who are definitely not "awake" (although I did get one of them to nearly sit through Zeitgeist ;) ), and they think I'm crazy and couldn't last a day, saying as I watch more s**t than any of them.

So, if you speak to Charles and if you think he'd be bothered, please let him know I'm taking him up on his challenge. From Monday my TV will not go on and I'll watch no videos, etc, online. I think I'm still going to allow music but no radio, but I'm not sure. I'll try this 14 day challenge as my own little experiment. I may even document it somewhere - although I'm not sure, as I've never done anything like that before. The reason I'm waiting till Monday is that I have people stopping this weekend and they'll want the TV on. There's also a few things in my planner I'm wanting to watch first. I also need to stock up on books that I have not read yet!

It may be a tiny thing, but one thing he said made a little difference.

p.s. I should also add the caveat that this now joins my new years resolutions of stopping smoking and getting fit, so it's entirely possible that I'm biting off more than I can chew with all three of these things.

Hi Scuba Monkey - your new years' resolutions are laudable. I suspect, though, that ALL of us would ALSO need to pull the plug on our compulsive internet surfing including visits to this Forum for two weeks in order for the full withdrawal from the "THEY LIVE" syndrome to be most effective. The control mechanism is just below the threshold of consciousness in the visual display screen and the way light is used...................there was a thread about this control mechanism elsewhere on this Forum.

[Faunus]

The mind chatter will increase,and your ego will have no way to focus you on anything but itself. What will happen is you will be nervous. In free fall, to a degree.

What will happen is that your mind will begin to wake up. Two weeks will cover the beginnings of the murmurings.

You will be in the beginning of the process of re-claiming your mind from the sewer of noise that media and television is.

Mankind, and the individual... do much better without the noise, overall. one's brain starts to work again.


I do not watch TV, but I do watch interviews by Bill Ryan and the likes.
I guess I'm also a bit of an information junkie, but that habit has served me well so far, and helped me deprogram from my childhood programming.
I definitely agree that media fasts are beneficial to the mind, and revealing your addictions and shadow projections. In fact I plan on doing a total darkness retreat in a cave, only drinking my own urine for 9 days. I look forward to that. Will keep you posted. ;)

[Erin]

I watch an extreme amount of TV. But to be fair, I'm in film school and studying to be a writer of television - so I kind of see it as homework, haha. I love TV and film and I think it's a great part of our culture. Is there a lot of crap out there? Sure. Definitely. But due to technological advancements, it's gotten to a point now where you can choose what you want and where you want and how you want to watch TV. You don't have to watch the crap if you don't want to. No one is making anyone watch TV. Turning off the TV isn't going to solve the problem. It's just temporarily relieving a symptom.

In my view, the underlying issue here is our education system. If we didn't raise generations to be idiots, I doubt they would watch idiotic television.

[Faunus]

In my view, the underlying issue here is our education system. If we didn't raise generations to be idiots, I doubt they would watch idiotic television.

I see your point, but lets face it. Kids these days spend more time in front of the TV than studying whatever meaningless homework the educational system has assigned them.
The dumbed down mass media IS practically raising the young generation. More so now than ever before. If that isn't scary you probably aren't watching enough TV.. or maybe too much.. :rolleyes:
(not you, cosmiclagoon, you're cool)

And lets not pretend the media and educational system are created with different agendas.
Both are roughly 50% lies, 45% disinfo and perhaps 5% truth, at best.

[Ahkenaten]

I watch an extreme amount of TV. But to be fair, I'm in film school and studying to be a writer of television - so I kind of see it as homework, haha. I love TV and film and I think it's a great part of our culture. Is there a lot of crap out there? Sure. Definitely. But due to technological advancements, it's gotten to a point now where you can choose what you want and where you want and how you want to watch TV. You don't have to watch the crap if you don't want to. No one is making anyone watch TV. Turning off the TV isn't going to solve the problem. It's just temporarily relieving a symptom.

In my view, the underlying issue here is our education system. If we didn't raise generations to be idiots, I doubt they would watch idiotic television.

Hi Cosmic! Of course you are free to watch TV all you like! I will say that the one person that I have known in my life who in all likelihood was Illuminati did NOT have a TV in his house. When I asked him about that he said simply that he "would not have a TV in his house." I listened up when he said that. On a certain level TV is a gigantic piece of the psychological control apparatus, make no mistake about it. Not only is the persuasion overt, it is more importantly COVERT utilizing the brain and the eye's own innate structures and tendencies against the human organism, i.e. through subliminal light patterns. Check it out. If you are a professional in this area this is something you definitely need to be awake and aware about. There was a thread in this Forum on the very mechanisms employed to control human consciousness through subliminal flickering light patterns............I will try to find the thread and post the link for you here.

OK Cosmic here is the link......... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7840-Science-behind-remote-control-of-the-brain-with-light

[Erin]

I see your point, but lets face it. Kids these days spend more time in front of the TV than studying whatever meaningless homework the educational system has assigned them.
The dumbed down mass media IS practically raising the young generation. More so now than ever before. If that isn't scary you probably aren't watching enough TV.. or maybe too much.. :rolleyes:
(not you, cosmiclagoon, you're cool)

And lets not pretend the media and educational system are created with different agendas.
Both are roughly 50% lies, 45% disinfo and perhaps 5% truth, at best.

True, but what about the parents? I know when I was a kid, I was only allowed to watch 1 hour of TV during the school week (in high school I wasn't allowed to watch TV at all during the week - but I had my ways...lol). Young kids typically are not mature enough to realize by themselves that they shouldn't be spending all of their time watching TV (or surf facebook, or whatever). It's easy to blame the mass media, but parents need to take an active role in this, too.

Thanks for thinking I'm cool though, haha! ;)

[Erin]

Hi Cosmic! Of course you are free to watch TV all you like! I will say that the one person that I have known in my life who in all likelihood was Illuminati did NOT have a TV in his house. When I asked him about that he said simply that he "would not have a TV in his house." I listened up when he said that. On a certain level TV is a gigantic piece of the psychological control apparatus, make no mistake about it. Not only is the persuasion overt, it is more importantly COVERT utilizing the brain and the eye's own innate structures and tendencies against the human organism, i.e. through subliminal light patterns. Check it out. If you are a professional in this area this is something you definitely need to be awake and aware about. There was a thread in this Forum on the very mechanisms employed to control human consciousness through subliminal flickering light patterns............I will try to find the thread and post the link for you here.

Oh yeah, I am the first to acknowledge that I know next to nothing about subliminal messaging. I will say that if I have been exposed to it, it hasn't done a very good job, haha!
But definitely, if you could send some stuff my way, I'd love to educate myself more on it. :)

[NancyV]

Turning off the TV for 14 days may be an interesting experiment if you've never done it, but that's just a stage along the way in my opinion. Hopefully once you've been through the process you will find that you can watch anything you want, hear any advertisements, any political spiels, any scare tactics from the mainstream media, etc. and not be affected. I used to be a fanatic about not watching TV and we were not hooked up to TV other than for movies we owned to play for our children. I bought into being afraid that it would affect us in an extremely negative way. But after about 9 years without TV, computer, etc, I gave up that fanaticism. I have found that it doesn't affect me negatively or brainwash me unless I let it. Demonizing it is worse and means you are weaker than if you develop an immunity to the negative influences it exerts, like the statement "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

It sort of goes along with the germ theory my brilliant intellectual mother had. She felt that we didn't need to be fanatical about being overly clean, that germs inoculate us naturally against disease. Maybe that's why I would not be so inclined to reject the raison d'etre of the 33 (they are the germs). If I avoid or reject them and I'm afraid or angry with them, then I will be in a weaker position, because I will be ruled by my fear or anger. I am not angry with a fly when I swat it, for example, since it's just being a fly and doing what flies do. So if we have a chance to hear more about the 33, how they think, what they are doing, I will not be angry with them. If we have to swat them at some point, so be it. I just hope they don't have a bigger fly swatter. (but I bet they think they do)

Nancy :)

[bluestflame]

part of awakening is seeing more of the hidden things we've either been shielded from , had shielded from us , ignored , avoided , or been distracted from , ie , seeing a bigger picture about what's really been going on ...then making INFORMED DECISIONS

we do the best we know how based on information and insights available at the time , then adjust( if we are wise) as new information adds to our understanding

again i get informed decisions as the unconscious influences come forward and become more known ( some call it conscious living )

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an aside to that ( or perhaps a symptom of it ) has anyone else noticed a reduction in the need for as many hours of sleep lately ? ( perhaps awakening comes across the board as the unconscious conflicts that drain us are resolved and disarmed the energetic struggle reduced, lessoning the need for so much "recharge" time )

[Ahkenaten]

Oh yeah, I am the first to acknowledge that I know next to nothing about subliminal messaging. I will say that if I have been exposed to it, it hasn't done a very good job, haha!
But definitely, if you could send some stuff my way, I'd love to educate myself more on it. :)

here's coming at you cosmic - this is very interesting stuff............

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7840-Science-behind-remote-control-of-the-brain-with-light

[peace]

hi, bill. amazing stuff, very interesting. yes i'm new, to the forums, but have followed camelot/avalon for a 2 years. i find scrolling through these posts that i'm afraid your correct that he won't give another interview. a main reason i never joined forums (other than wanting to objectively form my own opinions) is some of the baseless almost hate involved with some of the posts (calling people crazy, liars, disinforments), it's a bit of a let down. i'm ok with disagreement, of course, but in promoting the "alternative media" (i have a degree and worked in mainstream journalism for a while) it sure doesn't help our cause when there is a ton of in fighting. i hope you can assure him that the right people will listen, objectively and with some open disagreement, but we will listen.
after that, some questions if you can answer them, and i know you have many before me:
1. i have to admit i started salivating about the "thing" on the moon, that would make even him start to care a bit, is this the same object wilcock, kerry and yourself were talking about in your interview with wilcock at the resturant from a few years back (you were talking about arthur c. clark then as well)? if so, what is it?
2. i am in total agreement with you about the grand scope of say, the idea of underground bases and the sheer magnitude of people that would be in the know about such things, but i don't understand how quite literally thousands of people could keep such a secret, even with a no-disclosure agreement, someone, we are human, would spill something. so, my question is (sorry), in the event of the false flag event showing et's to be hostile is that just the group of 33 planning/coordinating it or is it thousands of people, much like the man/brain power it would take to build huge underground tunnels/bases? if you've ever been a boss/manager, you'll know that something of such scale (i think) would have to have more than 33 folks involved.
bill, i appreciate your work. if you can't answer these, fine!! please do try to get another interview, if anything. those that should know will listen!
thanks.

[jcocks]

My opinion at the moment, based on the responses I've read so far on this forum and elsewhere, is that it's unlikely that Charles would do another interview, or that much more information (if any) would be sanctioned by the controlling group.

I talked with Charles on audio for over 30 hours during the four months before we met. I was moderately amazed that the interview happened at all - and again when it was approved.

For those of you who ask that proof be provided of who Charles is, do understand that I asked a lot of questions, and did a very great deal of careful listening, during those 30 hours of off-record conversation. That's a LOT of time.

Two other Avalon Forum members have also talked with him remotely, one other person has met him in person, and about half a dozen more still have exchanged e-mails with him. But it would be unreasonable to expect any of those people to come forward and say anything at all (unless they want to!) under the circumstances.

I think Charles did a fairly astonishing job given the pressure and constraints he was under, and what was at stake - and I also feel that I could not have done much better myself. There's no doubt in my mind that the opportunity was taken to test the temperature of the response - and also to see how I (and the alternative community) would handle the aftermath. We are left to guess what conclusions they may currently be drawing.

Oh, i think they would have expected the responses we've given them on this forum... Remember, they're many steps ahead of us in this game. From what I've heard of the interview so far (not much) it sounds as if they sent Charles to "take care of you", but KNEW that he'd befriend you. If they really wanted to get rid of you, they would have done so by now...so I think, instead, that you have been tested to see how you would react at every step of the way. If you had failed the tests you would not be here...but since you are, my bet is that they now they think you may be useful to them.

My feeling is that they will try to use you to get their message out (Whatever that may be) and to acheieve some disclosure.... The ball has been started moving now, and it would be very hard to stop it whatever happens. As I said before, I feel as if you can expect to do more interviews with these people, but I doubt you'll be dealing with Charles too much on the interview side ("If you want something done properly, do it yourself" - you get my drift :) ).... And I say, if you're given the opportunity, run with it! You may be the only link with these guys that we have!

And to finish, I'd like to say this : It's NOT IMPORTANT (in respect to this situation with regard to the 33) how we respond to this information. What *IS* important to them, is how Bill conducted himself. It's bills job to get the info out, and what we do with it then is our own business. I would imagine they would expect a whole range of replies (which is what they got), ranging from "yes well that makes sense and it's nice to hear it from an official source" to "WHAT THE FK, THAT'S NOTHING NEW YOU &**@*@&!!!!"..... As long as some people deal with it in a calm and rational manner and attempt a sensible dialog regarding this info, that's all that matters.

In essense, I believe that PC is probably the best outlet they have at this time for this information (with the most level-headed audience who -for the most part- don't mout-off willy nilly about things), and Bill has proven himself a very polite and respectable interviewer who always respects the subject and thier wishes, and who always makes sure he follows protocols set out to him (which is a must in this field!)... If I were the 33 I'd be mad not to make continued use of this channel of communication...

[ThePythonicCow]

A transcript will be available in a week or so,I am looking forward to this. My hearing is not so good, rendering perhaps 10% or 20% of Charles words incomprehensible to me.

[Dila]

I don't think we ever hear from Charles again. Simply because he is not privy himself to the most important aspect of it- their religion. I don't think they themselves call it 'religion' though. For them it's the Sacred Law and their actions are based on it, or their interpretation of it.
They won't bother justifying themselves to us. We don't have enough of the basic knowledge and comprehension of the univeral laws.

I think they are using Charles and Bill as their tools, either in conducting the poll, or spreading the dis-info. If they wanted an open dialogue they would have sent somebody else.

Somebody on this forum posted a link to the discussion with the member of the elite who supposedly belonged to the bloodlines. He/she said they use people who gained credibility and respect of others as instruments to throw certain ideas our way so that we can then manifest them in our reality by giving them our focused thought. They even provide eyewitnesses to make the idea take root. It might also be the case here.

I think it's an experiment within experiment. Some ET race created us millions of years ago, certainly not 3. Unfortunately or not, their stance was non-interference. Some other race of beings picked up on that and started their own little experiment. Whatever they think they are doing, I think it's far from benevolent. They are absolved from consequence because they consider their actions beneficial for the human race and in line with the Sacred Cosmic Law. I am sure that's what they themselves have been told by beings from higher dimensions who had started that 3 million year project. I wonder if they themselves have got any freedom to choose how to rule and what to say to the public. I also wonder if they have emotions.

[qbeac]

Hi Dila, you’ve made several very good points, in my opinion. I subscribe them, although I am not saying that I am sure 100% that all of it would be correct. What I am saying is that those points-possibilities you have pointed out make a lot of sense and we should not dismiss them out of hand.

I quote your post in which I have numbered the points I’m referring to and I also have underlined several key phrases:


1) We don't have enough of the basic knowledge and comprehension of the univeral laws.

2) I think they are using Charles and Bill as their tools, either in conducting the poll, or spreading the dis-info. If they wanted an open dialogue they would have sent somebody else.

3) Somebody on this forum posted a link to the discussion with the member of the elite who supposedly belonged to the bloodlines. He/she said they use people who gained credibility and respect of others as instruments to throw certain ideas our way so that we can then manifest them in our reality by giving them our focused thought. They even provide eyewitnesses to make the idea take root. It might also be the case here.

4) I think it's an experiment within experiment. Some ET race created us millions of years ago, certainly not 3. Unfortunately or not, their stance was non-interference. Some other race of beings picked up on that and started their own little experiment. Whatever they think they are doing, I think it's far from benevolent. They are absolved from consequence because they consider their actions beneficial for the human race and in line with the Sacred Cosmic Law. I am sure that's what they themselves have been told by beings from higher dimensions who had started that 3 million year project. I wonder if they themselves have got any freedom to choose how to rule and what to say to the public. I also wonder if they have emotions.

With regards to the last sentence (“I also wonder if they have emotions”), I believe Alex Collier said in a Project Camelot conference (was it in LA?) that “they” are not “us”, implying that the “rulers” (I am not sure if the 33 or their ET bosses) could be non-human.

Therefore, they (the rulers) might have a different DNA (different race) and not have a heart connection or have an atrophied one (or damaged, or disconnected). That is not to say that they could not evolve and change someday, somehow. In any case, a dialogue with them would be quite different than a dialogue with regular humans.

But I also believe, as Tsun Tzu says in “The Art of War”, that it’s good to know your enemy, among other things because we should not dismiss out of hand the possibility of someday making peace. In that regards, I applaud Bill Ryan’s initiative and good intentions, and I think this forum and the people who are participating in it (us) are working in that direction too: peace and the evolution of consciousness for all beings, humans or non-humans.

[physicistatwork]

The very first question that comes to my mind after listening to the interview is : Has anyone tried to imagine what sort of disruption would be caused by the vanishing of 3/4 of the world population? This would affect every single survivor, including the "33 blood lines", in a drasticaly tragic way. Only fools would even consider such a way to solve the world',s population problem. In this sense I am in total accordance with Bill that there are other ways to solve the problem, and more, there are better ways.
My second question which has been "bugging" me for quite a while is to do with the increase in population. Taking for granted that we are spiritual eternal beings(in some time context which I won't go into here) I cannot find a way of reconciling the increase of the world population with the idea of reincarnation? The "numbers should remain fixed"(using a mathematical term). They do not! So where or what is this "soul factory"?
The third and last question for now, concerns the "33". Having so much "inside knowledge" they should also know that their life on earth is limited and that as spiritual beings, their "hunger for control" will stop sometime in a following reincarnation. Why bother then? Does this power carry on from reincarnation to reincarnation?
Bets regards and admiration to you Bill

[kinsuemei2]

Hi there - online very briefly, for a few minutes only, at a service station on the Freeway.

It's like a group of deer in the forest who see the gamekeeper with his gun, as he takes aim at them, and say: "That crazy guy with the gun doesn't have our best interests at heart. Run!"

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

This is an important post.

I believe that Jerry and I also covered this in the UTE show, yes Ben and Jerry lol anyways... Sometimes I look at this planet and feel that were growing population wise at a geometric rate, of course if we keep going we will run out of resources eventually unless we think smarter, but while the Japanese whale hunter is thinking of his paycheck, he does not know if he will find whale, he simply wants to put food on his table and if he eliminates the whale, that’s not his problem because he is doing his job, he is providing for his family, That’s fine, but take that analogy and place that on more things, Gold is supposed to have a healing ability. So we take the gold out of the planet, from deep inside the planet and the planet gets sick, we also take the diamonds and other rocks too, again, they get rich and are just doing their job, the same with coal, paper, the black blood of the earth the oil, and all the resources at our disposal.

Now I have thought and I might be dammed and hung for this, but I personally have thought on occasion that sometimes what a wonderful world would exist full of life if we were not here to destroy the beauty of the planet, they say the entire population of the world can live with adequate space in Texas, but the entire population would not agree to that, as long as certain people have their huge houses and contribute to simply being a consumer. I understand the reasoning of the 33, and sometimes when we look upon what we do I ask myself why? Why are human beings so blind, conditioned or controlled, the bottom line is that is an excuse and a very comfortable one, I am not saying we have to live like monks on a farm, but we have to take responsibility for what we have done, what we’re doing, and the 33 are a mere reflection of us, just doing what they perceive is there job much like the whale hunter.
They are beautiful beings as are we, but in the end, to the whale hunter, to the woodcutters who deforest the world’s most essential natural resource that allows us to breath, to the 33 that feel that we are a cancer, that if unchecked and uncontrolled will destroy this world. The problem we face is that in all of their naivety they are right. But that is only because they have shown us that way, because they have created the monster, they only know one aspect creating another to deal with it, when all people need is to be shown the way, to be lead to the conclusion alone, and to understand.
When we work out and train it’s important to know you’re limits and this is what we need, limits understanding what we need, not want, understanding how to give and not sell, and understanding how to co-exist with each other whilst not arguing over who’s tree this is, who’s land that is, the 33 or groups surrounding us have shown us that this is your tree and you must defended, and they have lied and twisted at every turn this is nobody’s tree, this tree belongs to the planet and we have to think of what will happen before we harvest the fruit from a dying tree.

The human race is about to become what it fears from alien attack, we are becoming the very threat we see in independence day, was a stand against the harvesters, you see that film as a fight against an unstoppable alien race, but we are the survivors, and THEY the 33 and there mind controlled drones are the Alien race that harvests and moves on, they strip the planet and move on, and because the people are mere shadows of the 33 until they can be reached and the Virus in the mother ship that brought the shields down was the truth movement, allowing the people to awaken and get a grip on reality.

Ok I have ranted enough, in short I understand where they are coming from, I agree and also disagree, I do believe that drastic change has to occur, but as the Chinese say, understanding is a three edged sword, especially in this scenario.

[Zook]

Good morning, Good Avalon and P_A_W,


The very first question that comes to my mind after listening to the interview is : Has anyone tried to imagine what sort of disruption would be caused by the vanishing of 3/4 of the world population? This would affect every single survivor, including the "33 blood lines", in a drasticaly tragic way. Only fools would even consider such a way to solve the world',s population problem. In this sense I am in total accordance with Bill that there are other ways to solve the problem, and more, there are better ways.


Depends on whose problem one is trying to solve, when you get right down to it. Overpopulation as they see it ... is mismanagement as you or I may see it.



My second question which has been "bugging" me for quite a while is to do with the increase in population. Taking for granted that we are spiritual eternal beings(in some time context which I won't go into here) I cannot find a way of reconciling the increase of the world population with the idea of reincarnation? The "numbers should remain fixed"(using a mathematical term). They do not! So where or what is this "soul factory"?


The numbers only remain fixed in a closed system. The grand paradigm of reincarnation appears to move across boundaries and dimensions, and through densities.



The third and last question for now, concerns the "33". Having so much "inside knowledge" they should also know that their life on earth is limited and that as spiritual beings, their "hunger for control" will stop sometime in a following reincarnation. Why bother then? Does this power carry on from reincarnation to reincarnation? Bets regards and admiration to you Bill

I believe the answer to that question resides in the choice to eschew the ethereal in favor of the ephemeral. To ignore the spiritual and embrace the physical. To be romantic; and not to be platonic. To be carnal ... to reincarnate.

In short, they like to poke - and be poked - by each other and by the prongs of the trident ... while the rest of us are content with poking each other sans the trident.

:smow::typing:

Jumbled opinions all around.

[Burke]

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We can not walk alone.

Martin Luther King
August 28, 1963
Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C.

[bashi]

It seems on the moon are major pieces of the puzzle which leads to understand the past and the future of mankind.

Some thoughts on „Unil they get to the moon and bring that thing back…“ by Charles.

Maybe he was referring to a find in Charly`s crater:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1471/3poinshortys.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/3poinshortys.jpg/)


An artefact that looks very much like a head:



http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/4996/3poinshortys4.jpg (http://img816.imageshack.us/i/3poinshortys4.jpg/)


Colour enhanced:



http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7228/3poinshortys5.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/3poinshortys5.jpg/)


It has a striking resemblance to the robot 3PO in “Star Wars”:


http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7118/3poinshortys2.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/3poinshortys2.jpg/)


BTW: Saturn`s moon Iapetus has a strange anomaly...



http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9826/iapetuscassini.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/i/iapetuscassini.jpg/)



A ridge around the equator ...


http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9282/iapetusequalateralridge.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/iapetusequalateralridge.jpg/)


It has also a striking resemblance:


http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/224/iapetuscolormcirvin2.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/iapetuscolormcirvin2.jpg/)

My guess is that Bill was discussing with Charles similar topics.


More info on: enterprisemission.com

[MorningSong]

Wow! I've had to run a marathon to keep up with reading this thread! What a buzz!

I saw the video about 4 days ago and this is what I originally wanted to post. By the time I got it written, the thread had taken a turn in discussion, so I have just waited..but now I feel kind of left out, so here it is:

Now, we think we know more about the “controllers”. We think we know their plans better. We can clearly imagine the destination their plans have waiting for us. We can consider our options, prepare for compromise, rebellion or submission. We can psychologically prepare for the day we must make those choices and act according to our desires.

By seeking/accepting “dialogue” through “C”, Bill as our mouthpiece, we might be able to turn the tide, to change the timeline, if you will. We may even change our own points of view, if we know the true process we think we are to experience. We can possibly change the opponent's point of view (the apparent intention to destroy our cultures, our life styles, our “realities”) if we prove our/its valor, our/its worth, our integrity and our love for this planet and it's possibilities.

Just as “Charles” appeared surprised to know that Bill knows about the bases on Mars, something we all at Avalon have had the opportunity to learn about (et al!), don't you think that the “33” want to know just how much we think we know? I was surprised to observe that “C” didn't know about the Georgia Guidestones”, but after a bit of reflection, it is more apparent to me that he wanted to know just what Bill/we knew before giving and answer/opinion.

At certain moments, I was afraid that Bill was letting out too much info, that is, kind of telling “C” what he/we know. This might be what “they” wanted, as what Bill wanted was for “C” to confirm this info as “true” or “untrue”. Often I did feel that “C” did not know that Bill/we were aware of certain topics and that he even mentioned things as “novelty” in such a “cocky” way, that it was obvious he thought he was adding some juicy new material to be chewed on.

For me, to hear someone from the “inside” say “yes” or “no” to our suspected “truths” is absolutely priceless, very valuable. In order to “fight the fight” and choose your armor, you must know your adversary, their strengths as well as their weaknesses.

Thank-you Bill for putting yourself out on a limb for this dialogue.

Only the future will tell if this has been truly useful or not.


NOW, I have a question:

If this experiment started one million years ago, how many times have they gotten to a certain point (like now) and practically wiped the table clear because of their calculation errors (such as over population, leaked tech, other factors that have rendered their experiment uncontrollable)?

That is to say, according to our present understanding of earth changing events (btw, do they control these, too?), our planet has hit the “reset” button numerous times in these past one million years. Are they participant in these events? Were these factors calculated in the formula for DNA modulation/selection? Were these eventa "set-backs" for their experiment or quantum leaps?

I'd like to know what they would reply to this question.

Peace and Good Will to all!

[kinsuemei2]

I believe Bill said he was not sure what Charles was talking about on the moon, the Arthur C Clarke topic that was raised has me theorizing that it is possibly the monolith information, but really unless Charles elaborates then we have no idea at all lol

[bashi]

I believe Bill said he was not sure what Charles was talking about on the moon

This i must have missed. Please point to the minutes/seconds in the interview, because it was not within the vicinity of the moon topic

[Burke]

I had always considered that Clarke used the monolith on the moon as a metaphor for "ingenuity" and not necessarily a device or structure devoted to some purpose although it can easily been seen as that too.

We are given long moments during the first of the movie to determine what this thing is, as we watch primitive man first fear it, then get close to it and even touch it before scampering back off again out of a perceived "harms way". Man touching the unknown and getting over his fear of it in a sense. That's what it meant to me anyway. I am not surprised that there is such a thing, or whatever it is on the moon that was discovered by going there the first time.

Unfortunately, and all too often of the first things we do with such inspiration is to use it to find ways to have advantage over each other, much like the movie dictates when primitive man discovers that the bones of the dead can be used as weapons against enemies. A perversion of the monolith maybe?

[Rocky_Shorz]

well I stopped and bought the new Dan Brown book on the way home last night and laughed when I saw the 33...

is this why they have sent Charles as a spokesman because they don't want to answer the millions of questions and people chasing them out of curiosity...

Without the topic changing to turning off the TV I might not have bought it...

[Arrowwind]

I listened to this... It was a very bad interview, and not for lack of Bill trying. Bill had a hard time getting the guy to answer any questions and when he finally came around to spilling anything it was what we already knew... GMO foods as a design to depopulate the world..

Come on really? Although we know that potential reality of things going seriously amiss with GMO seed, and surely India knows all to well with many thousands dead from monsanto intervention into their agricultural paradigm, this is all he has to say in this first video?

Although they talked about how undeducated yet adept this Charles is in "making myterious things happen to people and situations" he lacked any eloquence in the English language. That he has gifts and talents but can't seem but to mumble in a
brogue that is almost indecipherable to the majority of English speaking humanity at times....really made me question his intelligence. One thing that intelligent people do whether formally educated or not is develop their skills in communication, especially ones who are involved in and around world affairs and having to interface with other highly intelligent individuals.

I would not trust this guy for one inch or one second to come clean with anything.. He says he does not care what happens to humanity... so why is is talking to Bill? and this is the question of most relevance, only for manipulation games I would say... He admitted that per the request of the 33 that "Bill had to be dealt with" .... and he also admitted that his way of dealing with people was also most often very sublime, very natural in effect to raise no questions... He also stated that he was a master of body language and that he could read Bill and therefore was willing to work with him... just what is this work?

On the other hand he might be ultimatley a phoney who has spent considerable time studying Rense.com and Icke... and making his statements of deception to the world.

Conniving he certainly is whatever the purpose.

If the "controllers" are interested only in DNA then why have they not just eliminated the population already? because there is more to the human existence than DNA. There is soul and the ability of soul to interface with a very specific DNA..and perhaps soul is involved in the process of DNA developement... something which they cannot control.

Out of all the billions here surely the "controllers" could find those who are most superior and annhilate the rest, yet they do not.. They merely torture us, posion us, put out fear agendas to make us confused, and ultimately, work most of the worlds population to death in slave labor like conditions.

Surely these controllers are not to dam intelligent if they even considered a nuclear answer..... as Charles said, "nuclear is off the table." There is plenty of evidence that nuclear has been on the planet before so surely they were aware of all the downsides of nuclear answers for control, destabilization and population control. But what kind of intelligence would have even considered it in the first place once it was known what damage the nuclear thing really is to humanity and the planet and all its life forms.. in this time cycle that we currently dwell in it was clearly seen with Japan, yet they persued.... Vedic literature shows the nuclear holocost... if these 33 type controllers have been around forever they should have known.

Humanity has developed beyond fodder for DNA experiments. Although we may still be susceptible to experimentation such work will damage and alter the course of all existence because every soul has an impact on creation and this is their difficulty I think.

These controllers are of a lessor intelligence, as they have no heart and therefore are not fully human... and as Icke says reptilian in nature is most likely. Mind without heart cannot comprehend the universe and they know not what they do. The potential superior race will always be one that is capable of heart and love combined with the powers of the higher centers....the holding of this potential is what they fear.

And another of their fears I could only assume is that we should wish to destroy them for their lack of capacity for love and certainly, humanity is willing to kill to distroy that which is incapable of love... we have demonstrated this many times as individuals and as nations... their game is to keep us perpetually confused so that they can continue on in their existence and their own genetic replication.

That these guys are interested in outcomes millions of years down the road, well, Bill, you act like that is big news, but it is not.. we clearly see this in the history that is not taught in schools. When more people wake up to this history, these forces can be put down. The bible was an attempt to teach us but the bible has been ruined in fact by them, so we can no longer see what the truth was in it that we were suppose to see. We allow them to keep us asleep, not becasue our hearts are not open but becasue our other centers of perception are still closed for most of the population... hence we have fluoride in our drinking water, mercury poisoning, prolific cancers, lead poisoning and vaccinations that damage us in to the inability to keep even our hearts open, never mind our higher intelligence, all done willingly by mostly our own hands. We are becoming too immersed in the mere survival of our physicality on a grand scale. You need to understand how these condtions distract and damage us as a culture and as individuals.

It is imperative that truth continue to be taught, and in thanks to people like you, Bill, and it is now being taught, like never before. People are awakening to what is really happening

[Faunus]

The very first question that comes to my mind after listening to the interview is : Has anyone tried to imagine what sort of disruption would be caused by the vanishing of 3/4 of the world population? This would affect every single survivor, including the "33 blood lines", in a drasticaly tragic way. Only fools would even consider such a way to solve the world',s population problem. In this sense I am in total accordance with Bill that there are other ways to solve the problem, and more, there are better ways.
My second question which has been "bugging" me for quite a while is to do with the increase in population. Taking for granted that we are spiritual eternal beings(in some time context which I won't go into here) I cannot find a way of reconciling the increase of the world population with the idea of reincarnation? The "numbers should remain fixed"(using a mathematical term). They do not! So where or what is this "soul factory"?
The third and last question for now, concerns the "33". Having so much "inside knowledge" they should also know that their life on earth is limited and that as spiritual beings, their "hunger for control" will stop sometime in a following reincarnation. Why bother then? Does this power carry on from reincarnation to reincarnation?
Bets regards and admiration to you Bill

Not all souls are incarnated at once. Only the most adventurous ones would dare to incarnate on Earth in these times...

Nobody with awareness of the whole picture would willingly abuse another being, because they're really abusing themselves. The fact that they rule by secrecy and exploitation is enough proof that they are lacking something that they imagine we can provide. I wonder what this long genetics project is really about, and I also wonder if they have a racial bias in their population reduction schemes if the supposed reason is to protect the planet. It looks to me like they are pretty indiscriminate since every race is being targeted in one way or the other. That leads me to believe they're not really racist, even though they play that card, but rather interested in manipulating the "soul group" behind our genetic diversity, perhaps who Alex Collier refers to as the Paa Tal. If the 33 are decendants of the Alpha Draconians (or influenced by their paradigm) they could be responsible for altering our genetics in the far past, and wanting to see the results of that tinkering. Based on Charles saying that they're in this for a really long term DNA experiment, and Alex Collier saying that the Alpha Draconians are master geneticists that view lifeforms as a natural resource, that does resonate with the paradigm that the 33 seems to have. They have also clearly wanted to repress our emotions, because emotions are the keys to unlocking dormant DNA and they don't want us to challenge their dominion over us. This could be the culmination of a very ancient battle between two soul groups of diametrically opposite philosophies. According to the andromedans "they" came here from another universe (perhaps dumped here?) and were possibly the remains of an experiment that went out of hand. Maybe they escaped here as their home universe ended its experiment? Who knows. This may be far bigger than any of us can imagine.

Here are some background to consider:

The Alpha Draconians, a reptilian race composed of master geneticists, tinker with life - which from their perspective exists as a natural resource. The Draconians look at lifeforms which they have created or altered as a natural resource. Apparently, the Alpha Draconians created the primate race, which was first brought to Mars and then to Earth. The primate race was then tinkered with by many other different races - 21 other races - resulting in the primate race having been modified 22 times. This primate race eventually became Homo Sapien Sapiens. - who we are on a physical level. Yes, we used to have 12 strands of DNA. Ten strands were taken out by a group from Orion in order to control us and hold us back. Why would they want to hold us back?

The reason the Orion group wanted to hold us back was because they found out who we were on a soul level. Again, according to the Andromedans, we humans are part of a group of energies that they know of as the Paa Tal. The reason that the Andromedans use the word Paa Tal, which is by the way a Draconian word, is because the Draconians have legends about warring with a race that was creating human life forms that were opposed to Draconian philosophy. The Paa Tal created life forms that could evolve on their own, with free expression. The Draconians, on the other hand, created races to function as a natural resource for their pleasure. So, you have two very different philosophies.

Well, how the Orion group found out who we were was through our extreme span of emotions. We are very very different than all the other races.

[bashi]

I believe Bill said he was not sure what Charles was talking about on the moon, the Arthur C Clarke topic that was raised has me theorizing that it is possibly the monolith information, but really unless Charles elaborates then we have no idea at all lol

At 1:46:00 Charles starts talking about the piece on the moon.
He finishes asking:"You see what i am saying, don't you?"
Bill:"Yes, i do!"

My question to you, kin:"Do you know what you are talking about?"

.

[Arrowwind]

Well, how the Orion group found out who we were was through our extreme span of emotions. We are very very different than all the other races.


Yes, we are very different because we have the capacity for love and compassion and when the heart element is combined with the higher centers of perception it is a force that cannot be reckoned with. All this about having an open heart these days is well and fine but if it is not toned and qualified by higher perceptions from the higer centers of the chakra system it will do us little good to deal with our situation.

[wynderer]

Hi there - online very briefly, for a few minutes only, at a service station on the Freeway.

I needed to clarify this, and I hope it's helpful.

They certainly do not have our "best interests at heart". They don't care at all about our "best interests".

It's like a group of deer in the forest who see the gamekeeper with his gun, as he takes aim at them, and say: "That crazy guy with the gun doesn't have our best interests at heart. Run!"

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

This analogy is very limited - I totally understand that. As I stated right up front at the start of the video, I believe there's another way. But we have to understand the game that's being played if we have any chance of influencing it.

This has been useful, because your post (and many others) shows me that I have not yet explained clearly enough one of the main revelations of the interview: how the 33 think, and why they're doing what they are doing.

They believe they are the guardians of the experiment (or the project) that is the human race. They are planning for an outcome that's two million years away in the future. They don't care at all what happens tomorrow or next week or next century, as long as the project is on track.

As Charles tried to explain, the 33 'ruling families' have a totally different concept of time. That's because they're a third of the way through a three million year project - and are in it for the long haul. Do they care about you and me? Of course not. Why would they? Their concern is the DNA - not the people.

Like Neo-Darwinist Richard Dawkins' controversial book The Selfish Gene (http://amazon.com/Selfish-Gene-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0192860925), individual animals may just be the way that the DNA propagates itself. Like the chicken being just the way that the egg creates another egg.

Do you see.....?

This is an important post.

bumping Bill's post -- i'm not so sure about the gamekeeper analogy, Bill -- planet Earth is being trashed, & i don't think the responsibility for that lies entirely at the feet of Earth humans alone -- & if the 33 are our 'guardians ' -- w/'guardians' like that, who needs adversaries?

[gardunk]

Bill, thanks bu6t due to certain difficulties I must wail for a transcript/ do you expect to get one up soon?

[lunaflare]

Yes humans can indeed display love and compassion...however....
Human behavior is also not so very different from the alleged 33 in terms of killing without conscience- or viewing killing as a necessity-a means to an end.
Without addressing the vast topic of war-fare and genetic engineering, I'll refer to our treatment of animals.
Think about slaughter houses, farms and abattoirs where animals mostly endure caged lives. They have their young taken away and know fear and not freedom. Think about our whaling practices, seal and dolphin culling, shooting large populations of kangaroo (in Australia) as there are "too many" and are destroying the environment, think about massive deforestation to enable humans to build houses or to establish oil rigs or to dig mining pits. It takes willing compliance, for thousands of human beings to co create this reality. How is this behavior so very different? I say this is not about the small few, but the greater whole. Us.

So what to do? Disengage? No...we are here to live fully and face what unfolds. what presents. The belief that this is the plane of free-will makes a degree of sense to me. The kind of job we choose to do. The decision to change our ways (yeah, John Perkins as an example).

So does our activism lies in making changes in our own lives?...well, that is about it for me as it diminishes the "us and them" mentality, the victim mentality that in some ways serves to detract from the journey of self empowerment.
Most people on this forum probably spend more "face time" with a machine (computer) than with living and breathing people.
I am sure everyone on this forum has acted in ways that some may call "sociopathic" or they have harmed or hurt or stole or killed or....engaged in
ethical or unethical behaviors. Like truth, like lies...ethics is about one's perspective.

I think both Kerry and Bill do extraordinary work in their contact with people; with their vision of bringing interviews to "the screen" with the intention of expanding consciousness. Is it not a form of control, however, to be mired to the screen? To forums? How would it be to not interact with machines for 14 days?
A tv, yes, easy for me (don't have one), but no movies? no interviews? no computer? Not something I want to do. And this is my choice to exercise....hard to give this up...to make this change (no matter how small it may seem). So comes back to choice. Free will.

Indigenous people were raised to know the call of the land and their connection to the cosmos. As I understand it, they had no need for telephones, internet nor television. Such was their ability to communicate. Perhaps this is where the key lies to full awakening and planet change. Earth wisdom through Earth people.
And we are Earth people- and most likely have "lived" in multitudes of worlds, dimensions and planets.
My point is we can change our ways-our beliefs
If we can, then so can others in the multi-verse.
This may take years or millions and millions of years. Time is illusion,yeah? And fear is a restrictive force

So to quote good ol' Shakespeare via the disfigured Caliban....



Be not afeard: the isle is full of noises,
Sounds, and sweet airs, that give delight, and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears; and sometimes voices,
That, if I then had wak'd after long sleep,
Will make me sleep again: and then, in dreaming,
The clouds methought would open and show riches
Ready to drop upon me; that, when I wak'd,
I cried to dream again.

[quench]

Thanks to Bill & "Charles" for this interview, I think it was the best one I've seen yet. It convinced me to join this forum, which I've been meaning to do for a while. "Charles" comes across as no-nonsense and it would be great to hear him reveal more. It's good to finally get some confirmation to some of the stories floating about in the alternative media. Do we know if/when we will be able to see/hear the edited-out parts of the video? Hopefully there will be another interview soon.

[bluegate]

I wonder if Charles would add any comment on this:

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-official-murdered-after-arkansas-weapons-test-causes-mass-death/

[FrankoL]

Yes, we are very different because we have the capacity for love and compassion and when the heart element is combined with the higher centers of perception it is a force that cannot be reckoned with. All this about having an open heart these days is well and fine but if it is not toned and qualified by higher perceptions from the higer centers of the chakra system it will do us little good to deal with our situation.

Sorry to say it, but we are not so different. Just look at animals, what human is capable of. Not to spend too much words on other things. On the top of all, we have the face to say: "We are (like) angels, like no other in the universe." More likely jinni in the bottle you would not wont to release.

To think we are qualified with higher perceptions. Please just turn around. You must be blind. We are no good, believe me, ... time to time maybe 10 min per day, and we believe is true for the rest of the day. Please be fair.

[Alien Ramone]

If Charles represents those from the cap of the pyramid, at least here on Earth, isn't this a chance at our 20 seconds to give an alternate solution? If the Council of 33 aren't completely bound by some off world plan, couldn't the challenge be for them to come up with a positive solution that doesn't involve the death of billions of people and enslavement of most of the rest? Maybe it's time for them to shift their alliances from the Anunnaki, Reptilians, and Greys, to the Andomedans, Pleaidians (Pleajarun), and Guardian Alliance. Population growth tends to naturally decrease in developing countries. There are 20 countries that have negative population growth. With all the intelligence and computer modeling that the Council of 33 have, couldn't some solution be arrived at where new technologies allow all nations to advance quickly and reduce population naturally. Free energy technology would create an abundance that would allow some extra time for the population growth to slow and eventually decline. What about the plans that Alex Collier has described, in which the Adromedans mentor humans and provide technology as needed and the humans do their part to advance a solution while maintaining their sovereignty. Isn't there a way that the Council of 33 and all involved could be integrated in with immunity? Perhaps they could turn things around from how they are now and be part of a world government in the holographic system which Collier described. Within that type of system the world government provides all basic needs with no strings attached and has virtually no other power of control. People choose how they are going to contribute. The power comes locally and from the individual, which makes it a redundant system that doesn't allow for centralized control. A monetary system wouldn't be required. Collier had mentioned that Earth is just about the only planet in the Galaxy that uses a monetary system. If that's true, there should be plenty of workable existing models to go by.

[bashi]

If this experiment started one million years ago, how many times have they gotten to a certain point (like now) and practically wiped the table clear because of their calculation errors (such as over population, leaked tech, other factors that have rendered their experiment uncontrollable)?

That is to say, according to our present understanding of earth changing events (btw, do they control these, too?), our planet has hit the “reset” button numerous times in these past one million years. Are they participant in these events? Were these factors calculated in the formula for DNA modulation/selection? Were these eventa "set-backs" for their experiment or quantum leaps?



Well, assuming a cyclical clean-up with a periodicity range between 25.000 to 30.000 years, that would be : More than 30 times!

I can imagine that They “have become exceedingly efficient at it”:


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That leads again to the question why the interview was granted? Apart from the possibility for a cloaked request for assistance, another answer can be:



The interview is a part of Their program!

How?
The alternative community might represent for them a pool of some interesting genetic traits. In respect of Their program it might be desirable to enhance the chances of survival of some of these traits. The interview is thus just an act of confirmation of certain planned events, a kind of “authorization” and a genuine warning. The number of people acting (and surviving) because of this warning might be very small, but are considered a valuable contribution to the remaining gene-pool.

They do not see themselves or the program threatened by issuing this conformation, they only see it as value-adding to the cause.

For me, this goal has not been achieved, as Charles has failed to convince many. But maybe it was just a warm-up…
Come on guys, you can do better than that.


Do a good job and increase the yield!!!

[ScubaMonkey]

[COLOR="darkorchid"] he lacked any eloquence in the English language. That he has gifts and talents but can't seem but to mumble in a
brogue that is almost indecipherable to the majority of English speaking humanity at times....really made me question his intelligence.

I could understand him fine. He's simply got a Cockney accent. Surely you can't judge his intelligence based upon his accent?

I'm a Geordie and would lay money on that you wouldn't understand a word I said....

You can't tell how clever someone is based upon an accent. For example, I've spoken with Americans and its turned out they've been very intelligent! ;)

[qbeac]

Hi qbeac

You raise interesting points, and I'm happy to share my POV on them, for what value may be found………
Hi everybody, this post is my reply to the post John White has posted in the other thread (THE RULERS OF THE WORLD : Questions and Answers).

John White’s post 479, pag. 48. Thread “Questions and Answers”
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10248-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-Questions-and-Answers&p=89907&viewfull=1#post89907

This is my reply to John White’s post:

John White, thanks for your comments.

As I was telling cloud9 in post 477 (Thread: Q&A to Bill), I think we could all help Bill in his task of going through so much material if we use the thread “Q&A to Bill” only for “questions to Bill” (as it was intended) and use the other thread (“a new Project Avalon video interview”) to debate these matters more in depth.

So, I’ll elaborate a bit more about the 2012 scenario (why I believe the Anglo Saxon Mission version of 2012 makes more sense than Charles’ version) and post it soon on the thread titled “a new Project Avalon video interview.”

In the meantime, if anybody is interested in this subject (2012 scenario), I have explained my POV with much more detail in a Spanish forum called Meristation (see links bellow).

In that forum we have talked in depth about the huge amount of suppressed archaeological evidence of the existence of lost civilizations (Atlantis, etc.) based on a great variety of scientific data such as OOPARTS (Out Place Artefacts), sunken ruins of cities dating more than 10 thousand years ago (Yonaguni and many others), etc. This archaeological research has been done by people like Graham Hancock, Robert Baubal, Michael Cremo, Klaus Dona, The Giza Geomatrix, etc.

All that archaeological data strongly suggests the possibility of the occurrence of world cataclysms in the past (before 10 thousands years ago). So, the question is: if they have happened in the past, could they happen again, and when? And if so, is there a solution? (I believe so).

These are the two posts in this forum where I have explained (in English) my point of view of the 2012 scenario:

Post 151, pag. 16. Does “The Anglo Saxon Mission” version of 2012 make more sense than Charles’ version?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10234-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-a-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview&p=88128&viewfull=1#post88128

Post 459, pag. 46. Is the elite-33 attempting to ambush society with the help of the alleged 2012 cataclysm? Is there a solution for this eventuality?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10248-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-Questions-and-Answers&p=89729&viewfull=1#post89729

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For those of you who may understand Spanish, these are the recommended threads/posts in Meristation (Spanish forum). The explanation I’ve given in this forum is much more detailed than the one I’ve given here, and many links I’ve included in the Spanish forum are in English.

Misión Anglosajona: ¿Qué planea el gobierno en la sombra para el 2012 y después?
Posts 1 to 6, pag.1. Summary and Index of the thread
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=1527876

Pag. 15. Post 1 al 3. 2012 scenario, possible cataclysm, OOPARTS and suppressed archaeological evidence. Movie “2012”, fiction or reality?
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?p=24326595#24326595

Post 7, pag. 7. Ancient sunken cities: Yonaguni (Okinawa) and other ones. Hidden pyramids in China
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?p=27637468#27637468

[Bill Ryan]

You can't tell how clever someone is based upon an accent. For example, I've spoken with Americans and its turned out they've been very intelligent! ;)

Beautiful. :)

I'm working on a "Charles FAQ" addendum (quite a major document!) - which I think is the best way to address the many questions presented, and to enlarge on the complicated backstory.

There are quite a lot of people who haven't yet fully grasped certain aspects of the context as described. The solution is to provide as much additional information (and clarification) as I can.

For instance, I had a conversation with Kerry just now in which she swore that I'd stated that the controlling group were not interfering with the progress of the human race on Planet Earth. "Don't you know what you wrote in your introduction?" she challenged me.

I read to her exactly what I had written. It was nothing like what she genuinely believed I had. The conversation was instructive: she can't be the only one who totally misunderstood what I'd thought I'd presented quite clearly.

So a little more is certainly needed. One of the issues is the complexity of the concepts involved. And it's not easy to absorb this complexity when the subjects under discussion are so highly charged.

[Faunus]

Well, as you say, kids have their ways.. and I can only speak for myself, that if I hadn't had my ways of sneaking online in the middle of the night to read obscure websites and filling my young mind with far out theories I would probably not be where I am today. Parents have their roles to play, but they dont always know what's best for their child. Still I think most people would be far better off without any TV channels. They could still watch carefully selected DVD's or download from the internet. I consider my internet education more valuable than my school education, but yes we need degrees for credibility, and I did get mine at last.. haha.
You're welcome!


True, but what about the parents? I know when I was a kid, I was only allowed to watch 1 hour of TV during the school week (in high school I wasn't allowed to watch TV at all during the week - but I had my ways...lol). Young kids typically are not mature enough to realize by themselves that they shouldn't be spending all of their time watching TV (or surf facebook, or whatever). It's easy to blame the mass media, but parents need to take an active role in this, too.

Thanks for thinking I'm cool though, haha! ;)

[greybeard]

Beautiful. :)

I'm working on a "Charles FAQ" addendum (quite a major document!) - which I think is the best way to address the many questions presented, and to enlarge on the complicated backstory.

There are quite a lot of people who haven't yet fully grasped certain aspects of the context as described. The solution is to provide as much additional information (and clarification) as I can.

For instance, I had a conversation with Kerry just now in which she swore that I'd stated that the controlling group were not interfering with the progress of the human race on Planet Earth. "Don't you know what you wrote in your introduction?" she challenged me.

I read to her exactly what I had written. It was nothing like what she genuinely believed I had. The conversation was instructive: she can't be the only one who totally misunderstood what I'd thought I'd presented quite clearly.

So a little more is certainly needed. One of the issues is the complexity of the concepts involved. And it's not easy to absorb this complexity when the subjects under discussion are so highly charged.

Thanks Bill context gives meaning, so many have just being guessing and extrapolating.
While my thoughts are, when you are confident in knowing fearlessly what you are and death is of no consequence, therefore you/I dont feel controlled personally. that does not mean that I dont appreciate what you are doing, I do greatly.
Sorry im a bit tired so not articulate.
Many need the answers you seek and it will be helpful to many more.
Put no head above your own.
Wishing you a safe and Happy New Year
chris

[norman]

....... the complexity of the concepts involved. And it's not easy to absorb this complexity when the subjects under discussion are so highly charged.



That's a very important point that's driving me nuts right now as I struggle to try to 'reply to you'. I'm aware that something very special is going on here and it's a bloody paradox and a half. Sort of like sitting out in the woods wishing all the wild animals would come out of their wild hiding from me and come right up and start a true friendship. Every time my hand goes out to greet them, they scurry away into the undergrowth.

There's a polarity switch between our 'wanting the truth', and, our 'experiencing the truth'. We've had a battered journey to here and many of us had to fight for it. Now we are in danger of 'frightening' the truth away again just as it may well have crept right up to out feet.

[NinjaPhil]

Beautiful. :)



If people find Cockney hard to understand, well I'd imagine they'd have a hard time with Geordie or Liverpudlian!

[Faunus]

So a little more is certainly needed. One of the issues is the complexity of the concepts involved. And it's not easy to absorb this complexity when the subjects under discussion are so highly charged.

I fully agree with you Bill. I think alot more is needed. For as Charles pointed out, a little bit of knowledge can be very dangerous. Especially in this context, and although I do trust your intuition about Charles being genuine I'm more concerned that because he doesn't know the whole picture, his partial truths can reinforce a misleading context and potentially serve to bring about unforseen changes that none of us really wants to see happen. But we'll see. This is interesting times for sure, and I consider that a blessing, not a curse.

[zebowho]

Beautiful. :)

I'm working on a "Charles FAQ" addendum (quite a major document!) - which I think is the best way to address the many questions presented, and to enlarge on the complicated backstory.

There are quite a lot of people who haven't yet fully grasped certain aspects of the context as described. The solution is to provide as much additional information (and clarification) as I can.

For instance, I had a conversation with Kerry just now in which she swore that I'd stated that the controlling group were not interfering with the progress of the human race on Planet Earth. "Don't you know what you wrote in your introduction?" she challenged me.

I read to her exactly what I had written. It was nothing like what she genuinely believed I had. The conversation was instructive: she can't be the only one who totally misunderstood what I'd thought I'd presented quite clearly.

So a little more is certainly needed. One of the issues is the complexity of the concepts involved. And it's not easy to absorb this complexity when the subjects under discussion are so highly charged.

That was the first thing I noticed in both of these threads, so many missed quotes. A couple of things I got from the interview were

1-When people give dates of events, events that may actually be planned, those plans are changed. and
2-When enough of the mass populace "get together", plans are again changed.

The overall message I get is "Open our eyes and stand UNITED!"

-z

P.S. By the way, Thanks Bill for the interview and all the work!

[MariaDine]

...still no new News ?! ...are we all still in «waiting game» ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r074ifr8NtE

[kinsuemei2]

I could understand him fine. He's simply got a Cockney accent. Surely you can't judge his intelligence based upon his accent?

I'm a Geordie and would lay money on that you wouldn't understand a word I said....

You can't tell how clever someone is based upon an accent. For example, I've spoken with Americans and its turned out they've been very intelligent! ;)

Well never judge a book by it's cover, for example, I speak many languages and actually offered to be the transcription for Project Camelot as I speak, read and write Chinese, however my English is horrible. Education is not a gauge of a persons intelligence, nor are there scholarly achievements.

I want to make sure that everybody understands that this man Charles might be many things and not many of them pleasant, but he is not a man to be trifled with, and think he is extremely intelligent, his accent is just his accent, he sounds like a east-end cockney because thats what he is. But thats no measure of him, I think even though most of Avalon and even I have judged this man intensely, but the truth is and the bottom line for us ALL is we DON'T know anything about this man.

[Banshee]

Charles, to me, sounded a lot like Ricky Gervais. Not so much the accent, but the intonation - that's the curse of the auditory set, its all about what we hear.

[DawgBone]

For example, I've spoken with Americans and its turned out they've been very intelligent! ;)

Imagine that!

[bashi]

Beautiful. :)

I'm working on a "Charles FAQ" addendum (quite a major document!) - which I think is the best way to address the many questions presented, and to enlarge on the complicated backstory.

One of the issues is the complexity of the concepts involved. And it's not easy to absorb this complexity when the subjects under discussion are so highly charged.

Bill, when do you think you can release the first version of the FAQ addendum?
Why not make it 2 parts, so that there is already something to chew on?

[Intraphase]

Actually, I disagree - I honestly think it was extremely clever.

I agree. Also at that level of the game "clever" is a compliment of the highest order implying ingenuity. He was a sincere witness who made a great personal struggle to force himself into a public confession modality. The 33 overstepped their reach and tried to force Charles to face their consequences alone against the machinery. His life was spared by the machine to insure full disclosure of a 33 malfunction which they knew not to resists further. Beyond the data content it had the type of personal style on both sides that engaged the viewers desire to understand the drama. He was a psychic assassin performing a mission at their behest who was stopped by what he considered a worthy opponent. The exchange reminded me of a Avalon video of a natural battle that occurred between the tigers, the water buffalo and the crocodile. The leader of the water buffalo retreated briefly from the tigers strategically exposing a calf to inspire the herd, the tigers pounced quickly upon it, the crocodile was the wild card. By entering the fray the balance shifted. The video left me scratching my head wondering what kind of karmic cycle would lead a crocodile to accidentally save a calf from the tigers and a shrewd buffalo leader.

There are so many layers to the game that the 33 can't risk their entire stakes on covering up a single mistake. The Avalon Project and Camelot Project are valuable to people as sincere witnesses doing their best to describe their current POV relationship to eternity. To watch enough of the varied spectrum of players trying sincerely to survive time lines and all the commentary leads to possible new synthesis of solutions.

Your a honest person Bill and a damn good sport.
Thanks,:phone:
Arthur


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General POV background neither endorsing or disclaiming the table top models portrayed and offered in the context of Charles's summary witnessing of a process composed of events; and my perception of his standing, in the universe creating game's vast multi-leveled environments..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eEEBb4IC7o&feature=player_embedded

[Ara]

"Education is not a gauge of a persons intelligence, nor are there scholarly achievements." kinsuemei2

"to equate judgment and wisdom based on breeding, occupation, and/or education is at best, insulting"

Personally I think "Charles" is extremely clever. Speaks of issues in one direction but which may be applied in other directions. ie Monsanto and Genetically modifying "seeds", and the 33 Genetically modifying the human seed (DNA). Monsanto is a Company which wants control of the food supply. Suppliers will have to use 'their seeds'. Buyers/traders will have to use their suppliers and their seeds.......control the stock, control the quality/purity of the stock. Many ETs reportedly need human genetic material for various reasons.

Then there are the Seed Banks....for the future.

[bluestflame]

Ara ,...another aspect of the genetically modifying seeds and herbacides and pestacides being built into new seeds is the apparent disappearing of the bees in the US , I know they have been importing bees from Australia to pollenate some crops in the US

no bees , no trees

[Ara]

Ara ,...another aspect of the genetically modifying seeds and herbacides and pestacides being built into new seeds is the apparent disappearing of the bees in the US , I know they have been importing bees from Australia to pollenate some crops in the US

no bees , no trees

Yes Bluestflame, there seem to be many offshoot issues occurring. :(

[Seikou-Kishi]

The bee populations in the UK are dying too

[Arrowwind]

Sorry to say it, but we are not so different. Just look at animals, what human is capable of. Not to spend too much words on other things. On the top of all, we have the face to say: "We are (like) angels, like no other in the universe." More likely jinni in the bottle you would not wont to release.

To think we are qualified with higher perceptions. Please just turn around. You must be blind. We are no good, believe me, ... time to time maybe 10 min per day, and we believe is true for the rest of the day. Please be fair.

What I am trying to say is that within humanity is the potential to utilize the open heart with the even higher chakras.. This I think they fear, and this is what makes humanity so special and it is what they do not have ... it is this devine creative loving potential, that can present unprecidented power in creativity and spiriutal evolution that is in fact, awakening around the planet... this is what The dark cannot endure in the face of light

[jeannacav]

Hi everybody,

I will try to add one more piece that I understand about the problems at hand.

BTW, I understand this thanks to Kerry and Bill, mostly.
I learned about Alex Collier from the Awake and Aware Conference.
Since then, I have tried to find and study everything he has ever written.

From his information which he gets from the 'Zenetae' of Andromeda galaxy, these 33 are in the lower levels of the control groups of this planet.

Apparently the Cikar (dragons of legend, I guess) are at the top of our heirarchy.
The Reptilians inside our planet are below them and answer to them.
But even lower are these 'blue blood' people, the 33, who were instructed to 'handle' the planet according to some kind of rules.......
But.... they could do this any way they wanted to do it as long as certain things were accomplished.

"What things," you ask?
The highest group consumes our fear as pure energy; and for this purpose, the more of us the better.
On the next level down, the reptilians, eat human bodies etc (too nasty to detail.)
One or both of these groups believe themselves to be the overlords of Earth. (And, please remember they think they have a right because they made the bodies.)
The 33 representing the planet controllers are perhaps responsible for getting 'food' to their overlords tables.
(The money thing is the 'fun' way the planet controllers (the 33) have devised to accomplish their requirements.)
A bit of thoughtful imaginings will put more bits together. I leave that for anybody who wants to make the effort.

The reason I am posting these items in this thread is to show that the 33 are in a middle position.
They have their instructions from 2 levels above themselves.
Again, they are not the overlords. They answer to the overlords.
The way they have run this planet has been an efficient way to get their overlords what it is they must and to get what they want for themselves at the same time.

What Charles' interview has done for me is to clarify this mixed position.

Who knows, maybe the experiment was to see if the 33 were competent controllers?

I honestly believe they do not care a hoot if the planet is polluted or has little or no water/oxygen based atmosphere.
According to the Andromedans, again, the reptilians and I assume cikar live in a Hydrogen atmosphere.
They need a mask to walk on the surface!!
Killing the earth's biosphere and replacing it with H would allow them to walk freely.


And a factoid from the andromedans, the 33 are called blue bloods because they have a high copper content in their blood.
They can survive on much less oxygen than the rest of us normal humans.

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In the end I do not believe the questions we are answering and the suggestions we will be making will have any weight at all with these 33, since the ultimate direction is not the one they care about.
All this destruction of the biosphere is serving them!

As sincere as Bill Ryan was in his attempts to solve the problems, and as sincerely as we might be in making proposals for planet pollution control, I think, in the end they will not listen. They might even laugh at our puny efforts.

HOWEVER

If there are beneficent groups of ET's out there watching and listening, our suggestions will show an enlightened effort to help ourselves out of this mess. (and without guilt, btw.)

Our responses will show the groups who have signed up to mentor us, where we would like to start.

Perhaps this is another thread, but to me this is the area most worthy of our thoughts and contributions.

Thank you,

jeanna

[Lord Sidious]

But the gamekeeper isn't a Deer with a rifle taking out other deer it finds inconvenient.

Are you saying these 33 are NOT HUMAN?

Wouldn't you need to be able to define what IS a human first?

[Celine]

Wouldn't you need to be able to define what IS a human first?

A very thought provoking question.

My first thought..

Humans are the physical manifestation of a creators balance between love and thought.

[Lord Sidious]

A very thought provoking question.

My first thought..

Humans are the physical manifestation of a creators balance between love and thought.

That would be a possible light side creation, but what of a dark side creation?
Remember, the universe is one of duality.

[Celine]

That would be a possible light side creation, but what of a dark side creation?
Remember, the universe is one of duality.

Yes all is balanced..

IMHO

Love is not completely positive...just like Dark is not completely negative..

Negative/Positive ... Light/Darkness... are part of the One.

Off Topic but a great topic.. If you are interested to discuss it more maybe you could start a thread.

[astrid]

Yes all is balanced..

IMHO

Love is not completely positive...just like Dark is not completely negative..

Negative/Positive ... Light/Darkness... are part of the One.

Off Topic but a great topic.. If you are interested to discuss it more maybe you could start a thread.

Yes a tad off topic....but loving where this is going nonetheless.

Some even say there is no dark, only light, and a lack of light..
I like to remind myself in times of conflict that we are all from the same source ultimately, just varying levels of vibration of that source...

[Jonathon]

Mods and/or Bill - would it be possible to lock and sticky the original two RULERS OF THE WORLD threads and then start a new, single thread for continuation of the subject matter? This back and forth between the 2 is cumbersome/tiresome :(

Thank You!

[gripreaper]

I don't know how old this is, but it's new to this You Tube subscriber site. It's eerily similar to Charles's take, yet from a very well respected remote viewer.

""Remote viewing teacher Major Ed Dames discussed the current cases his agency is working on, as well as provided updates on sunspot activity and military events around the world, including a possible terrorist attack on the U.S. in which fuel-air weapons are to be employed. "2011, for those of us who live in the U.S., is gonna be about economic survival," he predicted. Beyond that, Dames grimly declared that from 2012 to 2013, "we're talking physical survival."

Dames outlined a series of events that his remote viewing team sees happening in the next few years. The first, starting this year, is an implosion of the financial market, creating a global economic collapse. Concurrent with that will be a worldwide influenza pandemic, which he suspects is currently about to enter into the beginning stages. Following these two dire events will be "the use of a nuclear weapon in anger" on the Korean peninsula. Since the North Koreans allegedly do not have the means to deliver an airborne nuclear weapon, Dames asserted that they have, instead, begun developing nuclear land and sea mines. Ultimately, this forecast culminates, "a couple of years from now," with a solar "kill shot" that will devastate the entire planet. Pressed for any positive predictions for the future, Dames said that the "only thing" he could think of was that "after the dust clears, after 10 or 20 years from now, another race will be on the planet Earth to help us rebuild what's left of the planet."

Regarding the potential for terrorism in the future, Dames warned that there is a group that has a sophisticated plan to use fuel-air explosives to attack the United States. He said that this organization originally planned to target the Lincoln Tunnel, but opted against that idea due to the high levels of security there. Now, Dames contended, they are targeting a location in Oklahoma City, which he knows specifically, but was reticent to reveal on the air. Additionally, he said that this group is a "higher power, so to speak," and not Al Qaeda nor homegrown terrorists. "I'm starting to become a conspiracy theorist in my old age," he quipped, "I never thought I would, but after looking at this, I'm highly suspect.""

http://www.youtube.com/user/akcijak#p/u/7/AB-SXUY0R2s

[bilko]

This is bothering me now!
Laugh if you want but,
ARE WE GIVING THIS THING A LIFE OF IT's OWN?

I have watched most if not all of the videos that Bill and Kerry have produced and as factual evidence and new material goes, this is one of the more mundane testimonies.

If it were not for Bills testimony we would have finished with this long ago.. I just feel like it is walking and breaking into a jog by itself now.

Please tell me it bothers somebody else and its not just me that feels uneasy. Or don't, at least then i could relate this gut feeling, which btw i feel is much more important than hypothesis, conjecture and theory.

[bilko]

Yes a tad off topic....but loving where this is going nonetheless.

Some even say there is no dark, only light, and a lack of light..
I like to remind myself in times of conflict that we are all from the same source ultimately, just varying levels of vibration of that source...
I like to think it is the obstacles in life that create the darkness like shadows. There is no greater obstacle to overcome than fear.
Remember though that the smallest candle light can penetrate the darkness but no amount of darkness can ever enter the light.

[Shikasta]

If people find Cockney hard to understand, well I'd imagine they'd have a hard time with Geordie or Liverpudlian!

Just be grateful "Charles" isn't speaking Glaswegian! LOL
"Charles" speaks English like the Queen in comparison!

As has been pointed out, by Bill in particular, many of us, Kerry included, are having a hard time adjusting our cognitive filters to comprehend what "Charles" is communicating.

I 'feel' this is the most important dialogue I/we have been involved in. May we rise to the occasion & show we are capable of intelligent dialogue, free of judgements such as based on his accent.

"Charles" most probably knows only what he has been allowed to know but, whatever his true motives, I thank him for at least being a catalyst for some robust discussion. And I thank Bill for his example of courage and dignity as he is reminded, none too subtly(!), of his physical mortality and tenuous reputation.

THANK YOU to all who have contributed to the two threads relating to this video and THANK YOU to all those 'lurkers' who are energetically engaged with this highly significant dialogue.

[gripreaper]

A few things that keeps coming back up after several days of rumination, distillation and synthesis.

Consider this> Bill has been a seeker of truth for years and has been on an excellerated path since Project Camelot began. He "thought" he had a pretty good big picture view until he met Charles, and now realizes his whole worldview has expanded, shifted and changed. What I hear when he says this, is that he thought the canvas was "this big" and he found out it was ten times larger. I get the sense he is slightly blown away. He just needed to stand back and he would see it. Apparently Charles has helped him do this.

It takes time to collate it all, distill it down and develop a synthesis that can be expressed in a manner consistent with the level of consciousness and the linguistics we reside in. Textual context can be so limiting! Original communication was done in Cuneiform and Hieroglyphs which has the symbols and emotions embedded in them and could not be understood without the whole brain state with both hemispheres in balance as well as the full emotion of the body. In this state thoughts can instantly manifest in reality because the energy is so concentrated.

What is abundantly clear is that this interview has stirred up an energetic matrix which can either be vampired and used to feed the beast, or can be coalesced to generate an expanded new synthesis. Let us all breathe in and ruminate within the energy and choose not to dissipate it for consumption till we have had a chance to let it rest in our deepest DNA. Righteousness is defined as "the right use of energy" and this is the grand experiment, to choose to focus our energy on the things we passionately feel to create.

I'm fairly sure this is what the 33 are looking at, how the leading edge of the emerging consciousness is ascending and what is the potential threat of outcome? They know they cannot fear monger us, that is for sure, but they can agitate our energy and try to read it for what it may contain.

That is where the truth resides. In the energetic matrix there is not time and there is no place, only energy, which can neither be created or destroyed but only formed and transformed.

[astrid]

I like to think it is the obstacles in life that create the darkness like shadows. There is no greater obstacle to overcome than fear.
Remember though that the smallest candle light can penetrate the darkness but no amount of darkness can ever enter the light.


Exactly, this is what those in fear seem to forget.... and its a crucial point to be made ( IMO)

Dark and light are not equal energies. If you have a dark place and light comes in, darkness does not creep away into another dark place. Instead, it's transformed! Of the two, light is the only one that has an active component and a physical presence. You cannot "beam darkness" into a light place! It can only be the other way around. This is because they aren't equal. One is the absence of the other.

Which is why just holding a high vibration has an impact on those who have lesser energies, they can't help but be transformed, as long as we hold steady that vibration.

And knowing also that everything happens on an energetic level, before the physical, it becomes easy to see how important holding as much light as we can becomes to what happens here in solid matter.

[chelmostef]

Woooh! 483 posts and no signs of abating, seriously guys and girls that is a lot of reading!!!!

[jcocks]

And to think, the year has barely even started! I think it's fair to say that this is going to be a BIG year for everyone :)

[jcocks]

What is abundantly clear is that this interview has stirred up an energetic matrix which can either be vampired and used to feed the beast, or can be coalesced to generate an expanded new synthesis. Let us all breathe in and ruminate within the energy and choose not to dissipate it for consumption till we have had a chance to let it rest in our deepest DNA. Righteousness is defined as "the right use of energy" and this is the grand experiment, to choose to focus our energy on the things we passionately feel to create.

I'm fairly sure this is what the 33 are looking at, how the leading edge of the emerging consciousness is ascending and what is the potential threat of outcome? They know they cannot fear monger us, that is for sure, but they can agitate our energy and try to read it for what it may contain.

That is where the truth resides. In the energetic matrix there is not time and there is no place, only energy, which can neither be created or destroyed but only formed and transformed.

Absolutely! It's my opinion that, above everything esle, this exchange between charles and bill has opened up a channel of communication between the PTB and bill that shoudn't be wasted, and should be utilised to enable a bigger dialog between us. Maybe they should even have a representative permanently on this board to facilitate this. If this sounds too outlandish for you, then I'm going to throw something at you that may just send you absolutely insane :

What if the reality is that either we all move ahead together ("all" meaning everyone INCLUDING the "pure evil" 33 moving together AS ONE PEOPLE HAND-IN-HAND), or NONE of us move ahead (meaning basically that the people on this planet stagnate and eventually civilisation dies out)?

Now what are we going to do? Are we going to try and talk to these people to get them to change their ways, are we going to try and come up with some real solutions to these problems we face with the technology they possess, or are we just going to say "oh well it can't be done" and then we end up in a situation such as dipicted in the movie "children of men"....

World population at 500,000,000? Killing billions of people by "switching off" the food supply through natural disasters isn't the solution. And calling these people, the 33, "pure evil" isn't going to achieve ANYTHING towards this goal. We need to convince the 33 that anything other than a "win-win" solution means we *ALL* lose (including the PTB - they don't get to inherit the Earth at the expense of 5.5 billion souls! I hope the *DO* realise this!).

I know you guys don't like me saying this because we like to think of them as evil and the idea that we could work together is utterly ALIEN to you, but what if it is the only way to ensure that we move onwards and upwards as a species? (And for them - what if they will die out too if they don't cooperate with us? They must love asserting superiority over us, but what if their only hope of survival is to co-operate with us and work together as a team ensuring the best outcome for all 6 billion souls on this planet?)

I know it sounds crazy, but it's worth considering....

[noprophet]

I also think it's important for the younger people - myself included - to possibly consider not having kids.

Given, "things" happen - but let's say try not to have more than one kid and if you are comfortable with it - don't have any.
I know I may take some flack for this view but I do truly believe that our generation should very much consider this.

Everything aside this is a responsibility we can take on that will truly make a difference.

[jcocks]

I acknowledge your point of view, but I disagree with it. We have a beautiful planet here - why not share it with another? Why not have a child so you can teach it some values?

If you don't want children then that's fine not to have any, but don't go around saying that we shouldn't have children because the world is already overpopulated. That's rubbish, the souls incarnate here are here for a reason - children don't get born unless there's a soul that wants the body.... Don't go enforcing your views on others. The choice to have a child is an individual choice and is not to be made by anyone but the people who want the child.

[noprophet]

Please don't misread my statement of belief as an attempt at enforcement. At no point would I ever suggest enforcement of anything and in no way am I against having children. While I personally have no plans for it currently - I myself have 4 nephews and an angelic niece whom I love dearly. In fact i would not suggest the complete dismissal of birth all together as we would quickly see an end to human civilization.

However I do promote acting responsible with birthing rates. While ideally, yes, families are wonderful - we should not be so quickly dismissing the reality of our situation.

One or two children per family unit is completely feasible and we would certainly see a steady decline in population rates because of this.

Also please do not assume there are not an infinite amount of places all across this universe for every level of existence to incarnate into.
In fact I'm sure there are some that rival even earth's beauty.

Also note that it is not simply a soul wanting to incarnate that instigates it's happening.
There is a vortex created to actually pull the soul in during the sexual process.

I am not judging the present; simply looking to the future.

[Celine]

I am not judging the present; simply looking to the future.

i have 3 kids.. and i most defiently agree with you.


Some might not like what i am about to say.,..but IMHO having children is mainly a selfish act.

i wonder how the western world would react to a "one child limit law"...

[greybeard]

This is bothering me now!
Laugh if you want but,
ARE WE GIVING THIS THING A LIFE OF IT's OWN?

I have watched most if not all of the videos that Bill and Kerry have produced and as factual evidence and new material goes, this is one of the more mundane testimonies.

If it were not for Bills testimony we would have finished with this long ago.. I just feel like it is walking and breaking into a jog by itself now.

Please tell me it bothers somebody else and its not just me that feels uneasy. Or don't, at least then i could relate this gut feeling, which btw i feel is much more important than hypothesis, conjecture and theory.

Yes Bilko agree.
It exists but does attention feed it?
see post 390
Chris

[jcocks]

i have 3 kids.. and i most defiently agree with you.


Some might not like what i am about to say.,..but IMHO having children is mainly a selfish act.

i wonder how the western world would react to a "one child limit law"...

I have 3 kids as well... But whether or not having children is a selfish act or not depends on your reason behind having them. Personally, I had mine because I love children and I wanted to bring a child into the world to share it with me and to help make the world a better place by bringing up my children with proper morals. I want my children to experience these times for themselves. For me, it was as much about giving 3 beautiful souls a chance to inacrnate into this world as it was having 3 beautiful children to enjoy my time with...

And I don't see my reasons as completely selfish, tho there may be some selfishness in there (as much as I am loathe to admit it).

As for a 1 child law? As long as it was enforced through fines and not imprisonment (ie not a china-style law), and didn't result in the sort of situations that ensued in China and India than I could live with it, tho I am peersonally against it as I don't thnk it would be the most effective way of achieving the desired result.

[Fractalius]

Unfortunately, the making of laws to drive an idea in a direction still seems to be one of the ways this mess was created in the first place. Once you make one, you have to make another, and another. Perhaps described as a wheel of inertia.
What sort of future community is imagined? some families are/were large to have enough people to look after the elderly and to keep things running.
Some living creatures have many young, because their mortality rate is high.
Does a future community pay tax? If so who will work to pay taxes and support an aging population?
As with so many things, if the great majority were more in tune with the higher self than they are now, there would be less need for 'laws'.
Imagining such a completely new utopian paradigm does away with quite a few problems by default?
Discounting raised awareness and connection to higher self returns all the data, and problems?

[Wood]

i wonder how the western world would react to a "one child limit law"...
Probably not very well. We have deeply ingrained the idea of personal freedom but we lack proper spiritual/moral education. We should just see we can't destroy the world we live in. At the moment it is pretty evident that we are destroying it due to the combination of our lifestyle and the large population. We should control ourselves and not rely on external imposed laws. I think we should allow people to have as many children as they want. Some people would absolutely need 10 kids to be happy (or to fulfill their task here), but as long as the great majority of the population sees the problem and is happy with two, one or no children at all it would be fine.
We need education, not laws. It is a shame we are getting more and more laws to control all the aspects of our lives while our education is being degraded.

[bluestflame]

would be more constructive to address the wastage first , educate people about the difference between needs and wants ( yes there is a difference )

[Wood]

It is interesting how the story about the machine and the task of the 33 fits with this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBkvcQEGq9k

I remember SpiritWolf suggested a few months ago that his was indeed close to what is going on nowadays, and I think he is quite informed. I think Charles mentions the machine made a mistake, and someone on this thread has connected that mistake to the rise on the population.

Here are the lyrics:


In the beginning was a world
Man said: Let there be more light
Electric scenes a maze of beams
Neon brights to light our boring nights

On the second day he said: Let's have a gas
Hydrogen and CO are of the past
Let's make some germs, we'll poison the worms
Man will never be surpassed

And he said: Behold what I have done
I've made a better world for everyone
Nobody laughs, nobody cries
World without end, forever and ever
Amen, amen, amen

On the third we get green and blue pill pie
On the fourth we send rockets to the sky
On the fifth metal beasts and submarines
On the sixth man prepares his final dream:

In our image, let's make robots for our slaves
Imagine all the time that we can save
Computers, machines, the silicon dream
Seventh he retired from the scene

And he said: Behold what I have done
I've made a better world for everyone

Nobody laughs, nobody cries
World without end, forever and ever
Amen (amen), amen (amen), amen (amen)

On the eighth day machine just got upset
A problem man had not foreseen as yet
No time for flight, a blinding light
Then nothing but a void, forever night

He said: Behold what man has done
There's not a world for anyone
Nobody laughs, nobody cries
World's at an end, everyone has died
Forever amen (amen), amen (amen), amen (amen)

He said: Behold what man has done
There's not a world for anyone
Nobody laughs, nobody cries
World's at an end, everyone has died
Forever amen (amen), amen (amen), amen (amen)

(Amen)


"let's make robots for our slaves"
Are we those robots and the 33 the actual humans, at least from their point of view? Or maybe, more likely, they want to turn us (survivors) into robots (smart individuals that can take orders properly)?

[physicistatwork]

Re FAUNUS: "Not all souls are incarnated at once. Only the most adventurous ones would dare to incarnate on Earth in these times..."

This reinforces my doubt.So there should be even less population now owing to the souls reluctance to reincarnate. However the opposite is true nowadays.???

[K626]

Interesting interview in the sense that it plays on our most common fears regarding the near future. Need to give it another watch.

K

[Ixopoborn]

That's a very important point that's driving me nuts right now as I struggle to try to 'reply to you'. I'm aware that something very special is going on here and it's a bloody paradox and a half. Sort of like sitting out in the woods wishing all the wild animals would come out of their wild hiding from me and come right up and start a true friendship. Every time my hand goes out to greet them, they scurry away into the undergrowth.

There's a polarity switch between our 'wanting the truth', and, our 'experiencing the truth'. We've had a battered journey to here and many of us had to fight for it. Now we are in danger of 'frightening' the truth away again just as it may well have crept right up to out feet.

Yes Norman - nicely put - I like your metphors to attempt to convey how the horrid reality of the material has affected you. My feelings resonate somewhat - a horrid realisation of just how gigantically huge and challenging our task to bring about changes will be. Thanks

[gripreaper]

Now what are we going to do? Are we going to try and talk to these people to get them to change their ways, are we going to try and come up with some real solutions to these problems we face with the technology they possess, or are we just going to say "oh well it can't be done" and then we end up in a situation such as depicted in the movie "children of men"....

World population at 500,000,000? Killing billions of people by "switching off" the food supply through natural disasters isn't the solution. And calling these people, the 33, "pure evil" isn't going to achieve ANYTHING towards this goal. We need to convince the 33 that anything other than a "win-win" solution means we *ALL* lose (including the PTB - they don't get to inherit the Earth at the expense of 5.5 billion souls! I hope the *DO* realise this!).

I know you guys don't like me saying this because we like to think of them as evil and the idea that we could work together is utterly ALIEN to you, but what if it is the only way to ensure that we move onwards and upwards as a species? (And for them - what if they will die out too if they don't cooperate with us? They must love asserting superiority over us, but what if their only hope of survival is to co-operate with us and work together as a team ensuring the best outcome for all 6 billion souls on this planet?)

I know it sounds crazy, but it's worth considering....

Please consider, was it Einstein who said that a problem cannot be solved from the same level of consciousness which created it? Could playing "hot potato" in third dimensional reality be the potential outcome of such an endeavor? You cannot make someone move to a higher consciousness, but you can emanate a higher consciousness from within that will vibrate within their field and tickle their free will.

Am I saying don't even try or don't discuss the possibility? No, I'm not saying that at all. Open a new thread. Start a dialogue, get the energy to coalesce and increase, by all means.

What I might add to this, is let us all be mindful that the time in three dimensional reality is NOW in the present moment to be as present, focused and respectful of our own energy within, to husband it and increase it and emanate it into the universe consciously with intent, towards loving and compassion especially towards ourselves.

No longer can we circle through endless loops of karma, returning to earth to wallow in the same polarized portion of the same blocked chakra we did last time. As we do increase our life force and are mindful of preserving it, and the first chakra starts to vibrate in ways we have not experienced before, let us not judge it as fear and dissipate it. When the second chakra vibrates with more veracity, let us not judge it as anger and dissipate it. When the third chakra gets a full dose of power, let us not use this power to enter into competition and dualistic endeavors. When the energy moves up the central column after gathering successfully through the terrestrial chakras and enters the heart, let us be especially mindful as to the resonance we feel here. This is when the expanded voice of the superconscious as well and the vision of the third eye emerges, when the crown is open and the circuit is completely hooked up to the earth and flowing freely.

That's where I intend to speak from.

Let's go for it!

[bilko]

"pure evil" 33 moving together AS ONE PEOPLE HAND-IN-HAND),
I found this interesting.
Don't know whether you meant it as tongue in cheek or not but i thought i would state my opinion on the word Evil, so nothing against the OP.

I heard somewhere so can't accept responsibility for original thought here; that no one ever wakes up and thinks " i think i'll do something evil today". Not if they are sane. I don't necessarily think that the 33 are evil ( not saying you do either ), or that they think they are committing evil acts.

Infact i would say that logic dictates that the 33 think their plan is for the best. Mostly because bad things ( with a sane mind ) are done out of fear. It is unlikely that the level of fear needed imo to continue along a path of evil for thousands of years can be maintained. Fear is infact wrong thinking.

If 'THEY' know and i mean really know then it is likely that there is an afterlife and several more after that, otherwise why continue? Why bother if you die and that is that. If one piece of this puzzle is proven to be irrefutably true then we can piece together so many things with so much more certainty.

I lost my download/train of thought, erm....

Yes, logical thinking says that if the most powerful people in the world deem it necessary to instigate population control and culling by introduction of GM crops, then there is infact an after life of some sort.

Whether it is that we are slave souls or infact never die but were tricked into thinking we do or something else we are unlikely to find out for the time being. But i don't think the 33 are making decisions based on fear

I am, and do and i suspect most of you do too. this whole thread is based on fear, fear of dying, fear of pain. If you knew for a fact that death is only a stepping stone, an organic countdown or incident then it wouldn't bother you.

In fact, yes, i would go so far as to say that evil is just a perspective. If death is irrelevant then evil and fear are just experiences albeit not very pleasant ones.

Can we say then that in the absence of fear the 33 feel that their actions are done out of love?

Calm down lol, i'm just looking for a motivation here, i feel it helps

If the answer is yes then i ask them to expand, to explain, to enlighten us. If not then either they are not human or they are insane. Does this make sense to anyone?

Given that there are 33 of them and the timeframe of events past and planned i am thing-ied ( right word ) to rule out insanity. Short of that there is another lie or something which we believe is true but isn't.