THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

[Kerry Cassidy]

January 6, 2010 blog post

DARK LORDS

Given that this interview was a sort of man in the street conversation that does not address some of the deeper issues raised... I feel one statement in particular needs to be addressed.

"'Charles has explained that the extraterrestrial race who initiated this project are letting everything unfold with a philosophy of non-interference." This statement is at the beginning of Bill Ryan's interview with Charles (not his real name) an assassin who was sent to kill Bill or "deal with" him who changed his mind and has since become a sort of representative of what he calls the 33 people who rule the world at least as far as in conducting this dialog with the so-called alternative community. I feel we need to look closer at the above statement.


First of all, the statement is purposely vague. Who "initiated this project" meaning the human race 'project'? A huge question. And I cannot begin to answer it here. Nor do I have all the information. At the moment, I don't know, whether the 33 who call themselves the 'rulers of this Earth' are even aware of the true beginnings of humanity. I do know that there is evidence that the human experiment had more than one beginning on this planet. And was wiped out and restarted several times. Possibly by different ET races. And that it may have started on other planets. I also know that the version of human currently on this planet is a mixture of many genetic experiments (interference) by many ET races. Not the least was what Sitchin referred to as the Anunnaki.


For the best overview of the various experimentations that have taken place on this planet with regard to humanity the Voyager series by Ashayana Deane seems to have the most detailed information. At this point, however, we have a problem. Given that many of us are in touch with various ET races, some through channeling, some through face to face dialog and some through other means such as electronic downloads etc. One may assume that unless the 33 we are talking about here are not human but representatives of the ETs, that they too, are interacting with various ET races in the same ways. Maybe face to face mostly? At that point, assuming they are human and not ET then one must assume they are dealing with at least one race of ETs face to face (more or less) or more. So it comes as a given that they (the 33) are in dialog with and working with the dark, service to self ETs. Why? Because they themselves are, obviously, as seen by the way they run this world, dark. It is expressly clear they aren't listening to the "light side" or the results here on planet Earth would be manifestly different.


However, the problem is we don't know what it is the so-called 33 know and what they don't know. We can however estimate at the very least their understanding of where humanity started goes back to the deep Abzu and the altering of our DNA to limit our development by the Anunnaki. The apparent idea being that we developed so rapidly that we were going to out-populate and evolve beyond the Anunnaki themselves and therefore they would lose power over the humans.. so they dumbed them down. This at least can be understood and the evidence is clear... Our mis-named 'junk' DNA being an indicator of this.


However, in dealing with the interview by Bill Ryan one has to look at the above statement and then give the ET race alluded to in that statement, a name and a face. Needless to say, the statement was too general. But taking it at face value we can make a few basic points. If we assume, the ET race being referred to is those designated as the Anunnaki then we at least have a starting point.


So we need to figure out who the 33 think 'started this experiment'. And whether, the 33 and by default us, are created in their image ie. whether the ET progenitor race used their own DNA to create us or whether they simply started the experiment using DNA from other races/species. I suggest we ask them what they think they know about this... unfortunately at this point, the answer is not forthcoming. Of course the question has been out there for millions of years plaguing humanity.... But I digress. ..

Assuming again, that this time around, the Anunnaki used their own DNA, then we have a Progenitor race and we are their descendants, as are, in theory the 33. But here again you get into more difficulty because the 33 are-- unless they are pure one ET race or another, made up of different strains of DNA just as all of us are.. Even if they are Reptilian and human. If they are human that is still a hybrid... and in regard to the Reptilian side we have, for example, the Reptilian-Anunnaki hybrids. So one cannot even make the statement that the ETs that started this experiment have a policy of non-interference. The evidence is to the contrary because if their current administrators (the 33) are still influenced by them, worship them (!) or follow them.. then by default they are still interfering if only through their descendents. However, we know that the 33 are influenced and we know they are most likely running things a certain way, by the evidence around us, money and bloodlines being their ticket in to their positions... and so on...

But, if I take the premise of the interview with Charles at face value that he is actually a representative of the 33 who really do 'rule the world'. Then what do we have? Well if I rule the world I have armies with black technology that includes free energy, interstellar space travel, bases on Mars and the moon, underground bases here on Earth that comprise whole cities if not nations... since I have all the money I am responsible for starvation, deprivation you name it...I allow it not only that I 'dictate' it and so on. When I say jump all these minions (and governments) in theory jump or I bring pressure to bear in one form or another sometimes in the guise of this man "Charles"....


So given this to be the case.... I am responsible therefore, for the secrecy going back decades, for the wars that are orchestrated by me and my minions, for the famine, the disease and the current state of the planet (not good)...because I have kept the technology and the heritage belonging to the human race secret from them.


I have for example free access to all the deep recesses in the Vatican Library where supposedly much of the truth in written form if it exists at all, resides. I made sure of this because whenever a new discovery was made or ancient text discovered I made sure to spirit it away into my catacombs without it falling into the hands of the masses. I have killed with impunity anyone who 'knew too much' or attempted to usurp my power... and so on.


These rulers are aware of and in charge of the decision made when the 2 ET races (one service to self and the other service to others) met with Eisenhower and we chose to do business with the negative ETs in exchange for technology and let the Greys (who work for the Nordics and Reptilians) continue abductions to create a grey-human hybrid among other things...


As rulers of the earth with black technology, etc presumably I have met with several ET races, my scientists work alongside several races and I am also instructing my military to shoot down the ships of ETs we are at war with.... etc.


So if this man Charles represents the 33... and they are indeed the rulers of this world...then they are dark, dark, power over others, service to self, magicians of the blackest of the black... in essence those known as Dark Lords.


And with this in mind, let's go back to the interview and see just how the questions and answers took place in this interview and see whether any of it makes any real sense. What will be clear from the outset is that so much is not asked, gone unchallenged and unanswered that the only suggestion I can make is that another interview be conducted and this time, prepare the questions for the Dark Lords you wish to address. Because, although we got some of Charles' personal back story we still have heard little of consequence and nothing new so far...


Oh, and by the way, word came back to me that the 33 were not happy with my prior statement. You should tell them that actually I am not at all happy with them either. In fact I am downright pissed-off about it...

You wanna talk? Let's talk.


Go to my previous post Fighting the Good Fight on January 2, 2010.

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[Celine]

As a friend so eloquently said..in another thread..

"we need new management"

Keep us posted please, if the Dark Lords decide to talk.. we all might have a few questions.

[bilko]

Unfortunately, the making of laws to drive an idea in a direction still seems to be one of the ways this mess was created in the first place. Once you make one, you have to make another, and another. Perhaps described as a wheel of inertia.
What sort of future community is imagined? some families are/were large to have enough people to look after the elderly and to keep things running.
Some living creatures have many young, because their mortality rate is high.
Does a future community pay tax? If so who will work to pay taxes and support an aging population?
As with so many things, if the great majority were more in tune with the higher self than they are now, there would be less need for 'laws'.
Imagining such a completely new utopian paradigm does away with quite a few problems by default?
Discounting raised awareness and connection to higher self returns all the data, and problems?
If you are not religious and have no fervent belief in a maker then procreation is probably seen as the biggest or best reason for life. 9 out of 10 women on the street will tell you we are here to have babies whilst 9 out of 10 men on the street will tell you we are here to make babies.;)

As for laws, i would say that if this model of society is the one we are stuck with , we need enforcement not new or more laws.

I must admit that i am not a fan of Darwin but i do find it strange that mammals are the only species on earth ( correct me if i am wrong) that use laws to govern. Is it freedom of choice that instills the need for laws? Is it the ego, thinking that one is right and the other is wrong? Is it that we were tricked to live from the mind instead of the heart? Is it because of deactivated or not yet activated so called junk DNA?

Or have we been mislead?
Do we really need laws?
Have we been infused with fear, the sins of the father. Has someone led us to believe that we can't work together? in harmony.

I believe that man's natural state is love. Not luvvy duvvy fluffy stuff of movies but the most powerful force in the universe; even if we are using a different perspective fro love. Anything else is the thinking mind, a state of being without consciousness or awareness.

The thinking mind deals with limitations, that is it's primary role imo.
Sorry, i might be rambling, i'll stop.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, this post is my reply to this other post from Globetrotter originally posted in the thread “Q&A to Bill”:


Excerpts from Globetrotter’s post (boldface and underline added):

Greetings, all.

I just joined this forum, although I've been following Bill and Kerry's work for years, and this is my first post. I have several thoughts floating around in my head and I'll see if I can nail them down.

First of all, the Charles material. I very much enjoy Bill's interviewing style. He is extremely focused and attentive, doesn't leap ahead of the thread to make points of his own (thereby losing the opportunity to pin down his subject or make followup questions when necessary), knows the interviewee and his/her material is the point of the interview, as opposed to the interviewer, and he knows how to turn on the charm to draw out his subject. Great empathy skills and a sharp, discerning mind.

Having said that, my impression in this interview is that Bill is still trying to stay in Charles' good graces and is unsure of his footing when approaching sensitive (to Charles) subjects………

(…)

But what Charles and his lot are saying has nothing to do with that. As others have pointed out in some of the previous posts of the last 52 pages (and no, I haven't read them ALL), these people are essentially planning to cull, or in less polite terms, commit a selective genocide, of the human race. These people and their bloodline ancestors have been consciously attempting, with quite some success, it would appear (e.g. 2% control 98% of the wealth) to manipulate the outcome of our collective history for the past half million years (to pull a number out of the air) and dominate "the rest of us."

ANY alternative approach to what these people are proposing for us, that of making sure we all (or most of us, or even some of us) get out of here alive and ensuring that humanity and the planet survive, would NEVER be broached within this group of 33, or 427, or whatever, and for obvious reasons. Charles is being disingenuous when he says that any approach is potentially on the table, and that you, Bill, for example, at the back of the room would have 20 seconds to make your point, and if it made sense, it would be discussed rationally.

(…)

I'm afraid that with this lot inbred individual and group self-interest trump any attempt at collaboration. These people have been at this game for a long time. They are trapped in the illusion of separation, in the dualistic trap of us and them, and cannot fathom, from their plantation terraces, the possibility that those slaves out there in the fields are also Them.

You had an opportunity to challenge Charles on his condescending "well, we don't rule anything out, your opinions would be welcome also" answer to your question about whether the 33 are open to alternatives. They are not. No matter how rough the going gets, they have their interests (staying at the top of the heap, controlling the rest of us, and shepherding their brave new world to survival and safety), and the rest be damned. Sure, all time-lines are open. All options are supposedly on the table, nothing is written in stone. There are no fixed dates by which this or that must be accomplished. But what rules them, and has ruled them always, is fear. And Charles acknowledges this.

And what motivates us, those of us on this forum, is love, and a willingness to reach out to one other, and trust in our highest vision we have for ourselves, with the conviction that just maybe we can all make it, if we evolve fast enough and can influence world events from our heart center, as individuals and as a growing multi-million monkey morphic field.

Whew, what a rant.

But do you see my point? I know you want to draw him out. I know you want to get as much information out of him and don't want to spook him (am I right on this?). And I know YOU know this guy is damaged goods and you don't want to play hardball with someone like that.

But let's draw some lines in the sand, shall we? Let's make some hard distinctions, and wipe some of the pseudo-philanthropic we're-just-doing-this-for-the-common-good, better-to-kill-30-to-save-300 BS that Charles is peddling.

They've killed billions over the eons. That's not the point. Charles is playing you, Bill. He has more than one agenda, and kicking them in the balls is far from being the main one. You know this, I'm sure. They, the 33, they know who he is. They have his voice-print. The face away from the camera is a ruse. I'm inclined to believe that Charles is a Trojan horse, and that his intentions are much darker than he makes them out to be.

These people play for keeps. Winner takes all. The question is, how do you stay in the game, get another interview (and no, now that you're playing their game, or appear to be doing so, you won't be harmed; this is a work in process) and still be true to all of your convictions, and reveal this charade for what it is?

Thank you for letting me go for so long. I'd appreciate your take on this.
Globetrotter, welcome to the forum.

And about your first post, in one word, brilliant!!!

Later on I’d like to add some additional comments about your post, but for right now and briefly, just a few thoughts that come to my mind, or more precisely, questions for all of us to reflect upon:

Do Trojan horses deserve unconditional love too? Are they in essence spiritual and immortal beings like us? Do we (us and them) all come from the same Source (God, Creator, or any other name you prefer)? Do they have a soul? Are they our brothers/sisters in spirit? (*1)

(Note *1: Considering all that strange stuff about Artificial Intelligence (AI and/or clones, hybrids, etc.), I don’t know what to think anymore because I don’t know it all. We don’t even know who or what the 33 or their overlords may be, or if they are human or non-human, aliens, ETs, AI, etc., and this would be a longer debate in itself, but I think I am asking legitimate questions).

In case they were our brothers/sisters in spirit, should we abandon our brothers/sisters? Should we pay them “wrong for wrong”? Should we turn our backs on them even if they have heart us, and even heart us badly?

I don’t know about you all, and some of you may think I am naïve, but I do believe in unconditional love (a Love so “incredible” and magnificent that our limited human brains and hearts cannot fully comprehend it… yet), and my personal answer to the last question is NO.

Should we forgive them? Will God forgive them?

Let alone Karma considerations and Universal Laws (which I don’t fully understand nor am qualified to judge), I believe that, ultimately, the answer to the last two questions is YES.

(Note: And may God help us to get to that point if we are not there yet, but I’ve seen some very incredible things in this 3D life already).

Globetrotter, with a few minor exceptions and details, which I’ll comment on later (For instance, I would not make statements with total certainty because we don’t know the future nor the free will choices others will choose to make) I pretty much agree with your post (see my quotations above) and with the impressions you’ve got by listening to this interview, even though we may be wrong (or not). And I would personally looooooove to be wrong this time. I wish I were!

Also, since we don’t know all the facts (Bill knows much more than we do), let’s wait and be patient and don’t jump to conclusions.

At the same time, we should not act foolishly or irresponsibly either, nor lower our guard, because there could be deadlines (2012?) that cannot be overcome. And as I already explained in previous posts (For more details, see posts: Post 504 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10248-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-Questions-and-Answers&p=90386&viewfull=1#post90386), Post 451 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10234-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-a-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview&p=90008&viewfull=1#post90008), Post 459 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10248-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-Questions-and-Answers&p=89729&viewfull=1#post89729)), one possibility we should not rule out is that they (33) might be attempting to ambush society just like prehistoric men would ambush a herd of buffalo to make them blindly run and fall off a cliff, and that their strategy consists in doing all they can so that society keeps on sleeping while they keep buying time till the right moment (2012…?) when they can pull off their plans.

That being said and those warnings being given, at the same time I also fully support Bill Ryan in his noble intentions.

So, in summary, definitely yes, let’s be totally predictable (like Charles said), let’s give love a chance.


They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom [to love and to forgive]!
(Braveheart V. 2.0)

[Ixopoborn]

... What will be clear from the outset is that so much is not asked, gone unchallenged and unanswered that the only suggestion I can make is that another interview be conducted and this time, prepare the questions for the Dark Lords you wish to address. Because, although we got some of Charles' personal back story we still have heard little of consequence and nothing new so far...

.... You wanna talk? Let's talk.
I wanted to focus on these two snippets of Kerry's good post earlier today. Yes, huge questions were omitted and many statements were left unchallenged by Bill in this interview. Nonetheless, Bill ran a very good interview in my sincere opinion. Maybe Charles could have been drawn in any number of directions had Bill tried but then maybe not.

Thanks to little in the way of interruptions, Charles revealed to us as clear as day that his last job really was for the 33. Not being in a position yet where I can devote all my time to this subject matter, this by itself was pure treasure for me and my personal mission to understand and help this situation along to a good conclusion.

So yes, I agree there were quite a number of flaws and hesitations but nothing worthy of note when measured against the fact that Bill brought home the most valuable treasure. I have said in a previous post on this thread that I look forward to the next interview with Charles but now get the impression that this is unlikely. Clearly, Charles knows tons more information which would be of benefit to us.

Sadly, it seems the 33 have had enough of the talk at this point.

[jcocks]

Can we say then that in the absence of fear the 33 feel that their actions are done out of love?



No - they're done out of rationality... They're not "evil deeds" - they're actions that they see as needing to be done for the continuation of the species... And they're not done for "the greater good" either - that would imply a level of emotion in what they do that I don't believe is there. Emotion would just get in the way when you're dealing with decisions that involve BILLIONS of people. How do you do what is best for the planet keeping the needs and wishes of so many in mind? You can't. So you don't. If billions have to die, so be it. They may not be comfortable with that all the time (though I believe they would be beyond being uncomfortable with their decisions), but it has to be done - in their eyes - or humanity won't survive and thrive. I'm not saying they're right in what they do - just that I'm beginning to see how they would make these decisions, and that no level of emotion comes into the process at all - because, as I said before, they would just get in the way of effective decision-making at this level

[Celine]

Sadly, it seems the 33 have had enough of the talk at this point.


Good it's our turn now.

[Merkaba360]

Yea, no kidding kerry. They don't care if we are unhappy, but we better make sure not to upset the masters. Sigh.

And how do we know they arent getting their info from ET's who are lying their butt off or are just plain wrong. Highly advanced egotistical ET's can still not have a clue about many things.

Why are we going to liars for answers?! Why don't we just go kindly ask the buddhas who transcend time. Do we really want to know and end the drama? Or are we junkies just as involved with playing the games.

Maybe we could have a group avalon meditation to manifest the answer to a given question.

[Merkaba360]

We are predictable?

Everything they say sounds like a machine ! Charles is himself and can't be any other way. lol He wants to believe that to justify not changing. Most humans are too weak and lazy to change, so they pretend that its just fate. Destiny and free will is a paradox, neither is correct !!

We create ourselves new every moment, even if thats almost exactly like the moment before , its still new.

He's right, there is no other answer than killing many people, given that the elite are slaves to their addictions and positions. I got an amazing argument! Give up all your greed and release an energy into the world that will bring pure ecstasy for all. The excitement of a new fair world will be worth it. But they are too stupid to realize giving brings bigger rewards. giving is receiving.

I feel for them. They are stuck in the mind. All their 10000000000000 years of data is all mind, and therefore limited and distorted.

[Carmody]

Kerry, I'm sure you realize that the interview was done the way it was..due to nothing substantial ever appearing in it, intentionally, on Charles' part?

IMO, that much is obvious?

I'm about as sure as I can be,.that within about 10 minutes of it's start ...I knew that nothing much more than introduction and the odd tidbit would take place. Bill was and is in an awkward position.

From what I could see, Charles and Bill both handled their parts about as well as could be expected.

[gripreaper]

Eli and Enkil are sitting around the campfire 200,000 years ago, and Michael Tellinger isn't even a thought in their minds, and Eli turns to Enkil and says: You know, I'm tired of having to clone these gold miners all the time, it's such a pain in the ass. I'm going to put the reproductive DNA in them and let them breed themselves... And Eli turns to him and says, hey brother, don't do that. If you do they will get out of control and one day we are going to have to deal with the problem. Enkil does it anyway and Eli has been pissed ever since.

OOPS! guess what, that day has arrived and the brothers have been in cahoots ever since! Do you think Eli can turn to Enkil now and say, SEE, I told ya so!

[Chuck]

Dear Friends, I have been a daily lurker of this forum for over a year… I must say that I have developed a crush on you all! Heart felt thanks to Bill and Kerry for a fine collection of work, and indeed to all of you for your passionate contributions.

It is my conviction that we are all connected and are simply living out our individual dreams in dense diversity. My fondness to all of you may have gone “unnoticed” or unfelt unless I registered and write these words. Nevertheless, the good will was and is there for your use whether you knew/know it or not. ( good will is an energy for you the recipient to accept and utilize for health, inspiration, prosperity or in any fashion you desire). Just as is the good will of the 100s of other lurkers. Some will say, ‘well all lurkers are not as benevolent’… I will say that ALL energy, ANY interest in your community can be used by you to help create your desired outcome or purposeful good. Energy can be changed/morphed before coming into your sphere of influence.

What has this got to do with Charles and the alleged “high priests of 33” (whether it’s them or any other controlling group who IS on top of the pyramid)? Quite frankly, everything.

Let’s begin with admitting that we are all here because we chose (on some level) to be here. Not a long stretch for you reading this to do so. In other words, on some level of integrated consciousness… of wholeness, you decided for the shear delight of greater potentials to immerse your beautiful, sovereign being into… fodder. Lol Yes, we all wanted to participate in this grand play of Tyranny vs Victimization because the lessons of power are prerequisite to knowing love and ultimately to becoming creator gods. Our tyranny is a matter of scale and so is our victimization. Because of our connectedness in this holographic field, it only takes 1 to reach the pinnacle of tyranny… to be the top dog. And to that top dog we ALL owe our gratitude!! No easy task to do so. If you’ve ever felt separate from every one else, if you’ve ever felt fear, if you’ve ever felt alone… then multiply that by a million times and you’ll get the sense of that soul in complete isolation and despair. The only atonement is the fleeting satisfaction of incremental sense of control substituted as influence in this illusion called human drama. We all share in each other’s attainments/accomplishments in consciousness.

What, in your opinion, would be my friends, the most important lesson for a blossoming creator god to learn? Ponder this for a minute. Would it be taking responsibility for your choices, thinking for yourself, not giving your power away, stop looking for someone to look after you? And what if I told you that if it took you 10,000 years to learn it would you still subject yourself to the lesson? How about a million years? Would it still be worth it? I’m not a betting man, but my money says you would! Moreover, what if I told you that there would be many, many layers of tyrants so overwhelming, so willing to control your every thought, action and deed while you live in miserable circumstances… would you still immerse in the lesson? Hahahahaha! :cool:Where angels fear to tread!!

Ok so here you are facing the council of 33… those nasty tyrants (who we all put there) are in a way at this 11th hour disclosing that they are here, and all those things we suspected they were up to are in fact what they are doing. Friends, this is our moment of graduation… of our greatest baptism. For it is because of their tyranny that we have learned those greatest of lessons. Yes we made choices and blamed them, we let them do our thinking for us, we gave our power away to them, we wanted someone (or government) to look after us. Very hard lessons!! Like John White has suggested in post#450 in Q&A, we can now say STOP! It is finished. We have learned our lesson. Take your ball and go home. Just as I relinquish my tyranny at home and office so you will do the same. I thank you for your part that you played in this game but it is now over. You and all of your co-conspirators can pack up and leave without any retaliation on our part. In fact if you do so while providing your counsel for a new constitution of this planet safe guarding any future generations from tyrannical ambitions such as yours (because no one knows it as well as you do) you will have provided a service to humanity so large that we will forever be grateful to you for thousands of years to come. We might even name a school in your honour! :p

If you do not do this, having disclosed who you are (in round about ways) and disclosed your intentions of culling the herd against the will of the herd, then the karmic laws will most assuredly be ruthless in handing out justice. Your choice chief…

Meanwhile, Chuck raises a glass of his finest red wine in honour of his cyber friends… knowing that freedom is within reach…clink, glug glug

[Scott]

Dear Friends, I have been a daily lurker of this forum for over a year… I must say that I have developed a crush on you all! Heart felt thanks to Bill and Kerry for a fine collection of work, and indeed to all of you for your passionate contributions.

It is my conviction that we are all connected and are simply living out our individual dreams in dense diversity. My fondness to all of you may have gone “unnoticed” or unfelt unless I registered and write these words. Nevertheless, the good will was and is there for your use whether you knew/know it or not. ( good will is an energy for you the recipient to accept and utilize for health, inspiration, prosperity or in any fashion you desire). Just as is the good will of the 100s of other lurkers. Some will say, ‘well all lurkers are not as benevolent’… I will say that ALL energy, ANY interest in your community can be used by you to help create your desired outcome or purposeful good. Energy can be changed/morphed before coming into your sphere of influence.

What has this got to do with Charles and the alleged “high priests of 33” (whether it’s them or any other controlling group who IS on top of the pyramid)? Quite frankly, everything.

Let’s begin with admitting that we are all here because we chose (on some level) to be here. Not a long stretch for you reading this to do so. In other words, on some level of integrated consciousness… of wholeness, you decided for the shear delight of greater potentials to immerse your beautiful, sovereign being into… fodder. Lol Yes, we all wanted to participate in this grand play of Tyranny vs Victimization because the lessons of power are prerequisite to knowing love and ultimately to becoming creator gods. Our tyranny is a matter of scale and so is our victimization. Because of our connectedness in this holographic field, it only takes 1 to reach the pinnacle of tyranny… to be the top dog. And to that top dog we ALL owe our gratitude!! No easy task to do so. If you’ve ever felt separate from every one else, if you’ve ever felt fear, if you’ve ever felt alone… then multiply that by a million times and you’ll get the sense of that soul in complete isolation and despair. The only atonement is the fleeting satisfaction of incremental sense of control substituted as influence in this illusion called human drama. We all share in each other’s attainments/accomplishments in consciousness.

What, in your opinion, would be my friends, the most important lesson for a blossoming creator god to learn? Ponder this for a minute. Would it be taking responsibility for your choices, thinking for yourself, not giving your power away, stop looking for someone to look after you? And what if I told you that if it took you 10,000 years to learn it would you still subject yourself to the lesson? How about a million years? Would it still be worth it? I’m not a betting man, but my money says you would! Moreover, what if I told you that there would be many, many layers of tyrants so overwhelming, so willing to control your every thought, action and deed while you live in miserable circumstances… would you still immerse in the lesson? Hahahahaha! :cool:Where angels fear to tread!!

Ok so here you are facing the council of 33… those nasty tyrants (who we all put there) are in a way at this 11th hour disclosing that they are here, and all those things we suspected they were up to are in fact what they are doing. Friends, this is our moment of graduation… of our greatest baptism. For it is because of their tyranny that we have learned those greatest of lessons. Yes we made choices and blamed them, we let them do our thinking for us, we gave our power away to them, we wanted someone (or government) to look after us. Very hard lessons!! Like John White has suggested in post#450 in Q&A, we can now say STOP! It is finished. We have learned our lesson. Take your ball and go home. Just as I relinquish my tyranny at home and office so you will do the same. I thank you for your part that you played in this game but it is now over. You and all of your co-conspirators can pack up and leave without any retaliation on our part. In fact if you do so while providing your counsel for a new constitution of this planet safe guarding any future generations from tyrannical ambitions such as yours (because no one knows it as well as you do) you will have provided a service to humanity so large that we will forever be grateful to you for thousands of years to come. We might even name a school in your honour! :p

If you do not do this, having disclosed who you are (in round about ways) and disclosed your intentions of culling the herd against the will of the herd, then the karmic laws will most assuredly be ruthless in handing out justice. Your choice chief…

Meanwhile, Chuck raises a glass of his finest red wine in honour of his cyber friends… knowing that freedom is within reach…clink, glug glug

That was brilliant, its nice to see thought going into a post.
I salute you.

[Scott]

Eli and Enkil are sitting around the campfire 200,000 years ago, and Michael Tellinger isn't even a thought in their minds, and Eli turns to Enkil and says: You know, I'm tired of having to clone these gold miners all the time, it's such a pain in the ass. I'm going to put the reproductive DNA in them and let them breed themselves... And Eli turns to him and says, hey brother, don't do that. If you do they will get out of control and one day we are going to have to deal with the problem. Enkil does it anyway and Eli has been pissed ever since.

OOPS! guess what, that day has arrived and the brothers have been in cahoots ever since! Do you think Eli can turn to Enkil now and say, SEE, I told ya so!

Ninhursaag says " Thank Anu, I was tired of all the effort anyway"
Anu says "I'm with Enlil on this one"

[astrid]

Chuck very well said, indeed.:clap2:


I take it Chuck is short for Charles.....:p

[l_e_cox]

This is a very important interview.

It makes the situation much more real. It clearly indicates that the people "Charles" is working for have a preference for intelligent criminals and that their modus operandi is basically criminal. To me, it emphasizes the point I have been trying to make since I started posting to forums: That society needs a much better social technology for dealing with criminal activities on the planet.

[Adrift]

At some point we seem to have reached a collective decision that the Georgia Guidestones "500,000,000" figure is the population ceiling the insider group might be aiming for, although there was little of concrete evidence in the video interview or subsequent message that confirms this to be true. We have nothing to link them with the unknown person(s) who commissioned the structure in the first place.

But assuming that this is so (and noting that the depopulation warning formed a small part of the overall interview, apologies for dwelling on this single issue), are we to understand that the half-billion that would remain, after a deliberately instigated global genocide, would be made up predominantly from the ranks of the 33 (and extended "relevant" 427 bloodlines - see 39:40 in)? With perhaps a smaller contingent of "non-relevant" blood-liners who had met the curious wealth-creating criteria that appears to be significant, and had been 'recruited' into the ranks (what sort of ratios are we talking about)? Would this half-billion all be sequestered down into the underground bases to wait it out?

I ask because if they're approaching this from a Darwinistic angle, it's my impression that they are attempting to identify "non-relevant" blood-liners of interest ahead-of-time, before the collapse, so that they can be brought on-board and ferreted away to safety in advance of any threat. When Bill proposed his Equadorian farm/community idea, Charles suggested that any non-combatants would probably be left alone, but it seemed to me that he was saying that any remaining surface dwellers would be peripheral to ongoing plans.
If a small number of people were able to 'weather the storm' and scratch a meagre living, good luck to them, but they wouldn't be considered part of the pool of survivors from which subsequent generations would be drawn for "Human Race Version 2.0", or at most a sideline curiosity. After all, it would be risky to bring about a global food crisis, then sit back and hope enough of the the smartest/fastest/hardiest would see it through to create a sustainable new population.

How would they prevent any future "over population" if they've not been able to do so in the past?

With regards to preserving "optimum" genome specimens, what of recessive genes? What about the unpredictable nature of inter-mingling genetic material from parents with known traits? I've met brilliant individuals who hailed from very unassuming backgrounds where neither parent was academically 'gifted' - "the first of my family to attend university" types - and so on. How can you have any certainty that your champions of today won't breed a class of chumps tomorrow?

And what's the end game anyway? What would be the purpose of continuous DNA tweaking (in whatever direction they seem to think worthwhile)? It can't just be a perpetual loop, a purpose unto itself, that would be senseless. So where are they taking us, what is it for?

Charles said that UFO crashes from the 50s onwards were the result of Earth-origin action (directed RADAR), but that the consequences hadn't been forseen, and that the recovered technology was of a level not previously available. He also said that the 33 had been aware of esoteric "information" for "thousands" of years, but did not say that they had had advanced devices or practical equipment for the same duration. So if ET technology has only been available to them for the past 60 years, they can't be off-world? Or not any time recently, anyway - but also that, until very recently - they weren't well ahead of what we understand to be the 'cutting edge'.

[norman]

Charles said that UFO crashes from the 50s onwards were the result of Earth-origin action (directed RADAR), but that the consequences hadn't been forseen, and that the recovered technology was of a level not previously available. He also said that the 33 had been aware of esoteric "information" for "thousands" of years, but did not say that they had had advanced devices or practical equipment for the same duration. So if ET technology has only been available to them for the past 60 years, they can't be off-world? Or not any time recently, anyway - but also that, until very recently - they weren't well ahead of what we understand to be the 'cutting edge'.




I'm having difficulty too with the idea that the ET technology was unexpected. I can understand that the ETs who started all this Human project off were not sharing their technology with even the top dog humans but there are allegedly ancient technologies that humans once possessed. If the top dog humans have now got fancy ET technology again and are ramping up their ambitions, while holding the rest of us back, I'd suspect that they are now rebelling against the ETs who's long term project this is.

I'm curious to know what those ETs intend to do about it. And, I'm curious to know what all the reports of space battles are really all about.

Could it be that the top dogs are under attack from the originator ETs and are trying to cook up a situation where we take the side of the rebels ( who are selfish tyrannical humans ) against the 'big bad' Aliens who are in fact the good guys trying to rebalanced the situation here that the delinquent top dogs have upset?

[plumr2007]

The interview with " Charles" was intriguing to say the least. At the end when he was explaining the part about overpopulation my ears perked up. He told you they were doing this for our own good. That all other avenues had been explored, yet any opposing view is given 20 seconds to reply to the plan. He then challenged you to come up with another solution. This is how Fox News here in the States operates. First of I think the answer is obvious. Their " solutions" are all based on monetary gain. They invented this " overpopulation" myth and then came up with a game plan that they could profit from financially. The problem , if there actually is one was created by Free Trade Agreements that limit the the food production in countrys . It has led to the overproduction of corn and the under production of more nutritious plants. It was once told to me that there is enough arable unused land in Texas to feed the entire US.. AS David Icke would say this is a Hegelian dialectic ( problem-reaction-solution) . They created the problem by endorsing Free Trade and now are trying to profit from its " solution". Be careful of this guy he may have watched one too many Guy Richie movies. Peace! PS This a repost from the Q&A thread . I thought it might fit here better.

[Sol Va]

Bashi, I coudn't agree with you more. The Economic hit man Perkins is
regarded with respect and is redeeming his conscience. Perhaps Charles
too has this opportunity now. Let's try to make it easy for him. We have
everything to gain.
And I have utmost confidence in Bill's ability to handle
the situation, for himself and his safety, for Charles chance to blossom,
and for us, whom he gives so many gifts.


(Bashi wrote:
i think we should resist to try to hammer Charles. Although he had done things in the past, which shifted him up the power structure, that should not make him a target. He has changed and put his life on the line to change our situation.
Who on this forum will risk his/her live for the cause?
In this way you can see Charles as some one who deserves more positive credit than many here.)

[Thunderbird]

First I would like to say that i have really been enjoying the dialogue here in the last couple pages.

Some very salient ideas have been approached and expressed.

I am particularly fond of Chuck's observations, musings, and line of reasoning.

Let's play imagination for a second and pretend that we are all "roles" on a stage.

The divine consciousness of eternity is playing each part so well that it "forgets" that it is really unified awareness playing "opposite" itself.

Then for a moment recall that indeed, we are reflections of the "33" or whomever, just as they are reflections of us. It is my experience that we must embrace our similarities without judgment, and also accept our own complicity in this whole adventure.

As I tried to illustrate in one of my previous posts, we are all "thoughts" on this organism we call Earth. In your brain thoughts come and go, ideally without your judgment of them, and yet they are vital for your unique expression.

Some "thoughts" stay as patterns and change as our understanding of our experience grows, just as some generations of our "egoic controlling thoughts" (read Bloodlines) change and adapt though their function remains the same.

A well trained mind will observe and let go of all thoughts without an emotional reaction to them.

It might behoove us as individuals and as a group to still the ocean of the mind within ourselves, and accept "our" own egoic, controlling, fearful, thoughts and emotions.

Let go of your judgment and emotional response to the "thoughts."

You cant "go to war" with anyone outwardly and truly win in the highest sense of the term.

However, personally I went so far as to "go to war" with my self, rooting out all "thought programs" that were counter productive for my personal life mission.

Follow me for a second....Could this not be viewed as "mass genocide" of unhealthy thoughts and patterns in the microcosm of my "body?"

It was easy to be rid of and manage what i judged to be limiting patterns in my own development....especially when the life form of a thought is so infinitesimal to my own experience, so removed from my daily experience and understanding of what it means to be a "human" at this level of expression.

Lets say instead I chose to accept these "thoughts," lets call em the "controllers," as much as I accepted my love filled, tender, warm thoughts. Personally, this was NOT easy. In order to do so i had to accept my own "darkness" and still love myself.

Now i can more easily love and appreciate the "33" or whomever people choose to demonize outwardly for their own lack of responsibility for their own situation.

After all, i know that these people have people they love. They DO love. They are not beasts, or demons, or vile creatures.

Let it also be stated for the record that i am by no means a paragon of virtue, selflessness, and non-judgment.

But, stilling my reactionary mind to these would be "controllers" allows me to work WITH their energies rather than against them.

AH, but here's the rub...what if THEY dont want to work with my/our own energies?

Then are WE manipulating them as we become more powerful in our realization of our true nature? if you were them wouldn't you be afraid?

Here in lay's the true dilemma at this level as i see it.

Where is the distinction drawn between "our" vision of how hings "should" be and "theirs?"

Who is to say what the "thought" is that stays on the radio receiver that is our brain? you? who are you ....really?

Who is to say what the "thought" is that keeps playing louder and more frequently than the others on the radio receiver that is our planet?

Just playing devils advocate for a moment, but who are YOU to say what the best course of humanity's development is?

If you were the egoic "thought" whose job it was was to protect, defend, and reach the genetic objective of the planet wouldn't you be threatened with the unfocused, undisciplined, often times chaotic nature of the masses...even the "enlightened ones" here?

Where does "our" manifestation/influence/etc step on "theirs?"

How do you resolve potential cross viewpoints?

Is it as simple as....

"The ball is not in "their" court. The ball is in "our" court ?"

Isn't that the same as them saying its "their" responsibility to shape creation since "they" are aware of "their" ability?

Who's the wolf now? Who are the sheep? Do we become what we have judged in our self righteous cause to "balance" the equation as our understanding must be right since it is more "loving?" Is it?

Truth is...this is our collective holographic experience on a macrocosmic whole AND fractally as individuals, both sides of the force if you really want to call it that...

It's easier to manage what you have immediate control over...your reactions, than to try to control the larger fractal game, ive found out.

But, in controlling my personal framework and experience i have found, without effort, the larger experience also comes within a resonant measure of my desired outcome.

Everyone came here for a reason, at this time, to learn the things specific to now.

I wonder if it is indeed going to be thousands of years before humanity as a whole reaches maturity in its spiritual development, and that if this be the case then would people be willing to actually go through a seemingly negative (from our immediate personal experience) shift in order to realize the grander story?

....Forgo the immediate "victory" as it were to realize a bigger "win?"

Is it that necessary?

I dont have the answer to that one im afraid, but i have a sneaking suspicion we all do. I also tend to think we will all collectively make that decision either consciously or unconsciously very soon (if we haven't already).


I would like to ask a seemingly off topic question whose resolution I believe, ties directly into some of the deeper meat and potatoes of this discussion as i see it.

Here is the question:

Why is it that when a person is well aware of his or her talents, skills, intellect, advanced attributes, etc. are they often times judged as vain, arrogant, etc?

Who is committing the judgment here?

Is it the talented person who recognizes their abilities as being more proficient than those around him/her?

Or is it the person who knows this to be the case and cant stand it?

How many times have you personally thought...."man that guys so full of himself?"

Why? What part of you cant stand to see a powerful self realized individual? Is it the part that knows you can be the same? Or, the part that is afraid of being the same?

Ive dished out as well as having been on the receiving end of that unfortunate exchange.

I think it needs to be reiterated that:
these "controllers" accept their divinity (aren't we all?), recognize that they have the ability to shape collective reality to a degree, and are actively doing so in the best way they know how (as limited as we may judge it to be).

I dont mean this to be pejorative, but
again...what's your excuse?

Love y'all.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Thunderbird

[Fractalius]

I think it is up to us to decide what we are talking about now. Early on the thread began being a waiting room where we are, in ways, talking amongst ourselves, passionately fired.
Much of the 1000 or how ever many posts to 3 threads can be attributed to our own desire to discuss these concepts. Because we already know they are important.
With the subject matter and the scenario, some are complaining and some are not. Yet the underlying topic is about us talking with intent amongst ourselves. Most seem very keen and glad for that part. The points being made that are of value, are things we should have been discussing any time ago. These points are being rendered down, put into many different wordings. The message we want it to mean when we understand it, will be able to be relayed to others in our own words. The message, will be what? It will be whatever you like. It depends on your emotions and who you are listening to inside and above. I would like to see the video and the need to examine it put aside, and have us own the continuation of discussion that we are enjoying, for ourselves. The danger of associating a 'guruship' with the characters in the play is obvious. Not one of adoration perse, but one of servitude I guess.

[SKAWF]

this is my first post (apart from the initial reply).
i have been suprised by the response to the interview. i put it down to an absolute thirst for greater knowledge, but it seems to have distracted a lot of people. which is unusual given that there wasnt very much substance to be found in the 2 hours.
ive seen it twice, there wasnt much that we didnt already know - or that we couldnt have found out for ourselves.
in my opinion there was far too many teasers eg, saying a sentence, then refusing to go further (the moon thing being a good example).
also i found him to be a little arrogant in places. an example would be how he would deal with the S.A.S. the reality is, he wouldnt know what hit him, and to say that he would weaken them suggests to me that his grip on reality is perverse.
i think some perspective is required.
firstly lets not forget everything else that we know. there are i believe 'controllers'.
how did they get to that position, by fair means or foul?, lets also not forget what they are doing to us, and the mindset they have.
they have lied, cheated, murdered and corrupted their way into the position they are in and most of the problems we face are due to their actions. think about how they see us, as livestock that exist only to serve them.
they are the ones who have been poisoning the planet in the name of 'saving' it, using corrupted data to convince the gullable masses about another lie 'climate change'. they have ravaged one of the richest area's in terms of minerals - Africa, after dividing and corrupting the native peoples of the land, and endebted one of the biggest food producing area's South america to the point where the people there crawl around rubbish tips looking for food thats been thrown away.
they have supressed free energy technology, and they force us to use fossil fuels, for no other reason than the world being dependent on them, instead of allowing each and every one of us, the independance of our own energy supply. they gone on to use the energy supply as a means to further manipulate economies, knowing that they have us and near every other country over a barrel (no pun intended).
they have adulterated our food supply with GMO, and chemicals that are toxic.
(if everyone had their own power supply food could be grown anywhere, and water could be extracted from the air).
they they are sparaying the planets atmosphere with alluminium, barium, and strontium. they have ruined the eco system of this planet, and couldnt care less if everything dies, as long as whatever survives is entirely reliant on them afterwards.
they have used religions to pit cultures against each other, as well as keeping us in the dark spritually, they have twisted and distorted everything that is good, corrupted it, and then fed it back to us, they have sought to make us complicit in our own destruction as well as a ton of other things (i could be here for a week typing all the things they have done and you know it)
they are being portrayed as the custodians of planet earth, when in actual fact, THEY are the ones who have commited atrocity after atrocity. they should be rooted out, and made to pay for what they have done to us and this planet.
they are malevolant beings who are only interested in themselves, the original rotten apple.
in my opinion we shouldnt allow ourselves to forget this, nor should we validate their position by stopping to consider the practicalities they present us with. i separate myself from them and all they stand for. i wouldnt do to my worst enemy 1% of what THEY have done to us, even in darkness i know whats right and wrong, and these souless b******s stand opposed to everything i consider precious. we, in our hearts, know whats right and wrong.
and charles who admitted he didnt care one way or the other spends most of his time helping them for his own gain, and when its nearly too late pops into our lives in the interest of fairness?!!, rubbish.
as ive said, we know enough to make our own way through all of this, without having him or them a part of our solution.
sorry for the rant, it's been ever more frustrating lately, especially with creatures dying en masse.
sincerely
steve

[MargueriteBee]

If you choose to believe the 3d reality of Charles, go ahead. Remember , what you focus on is what you get! His purpose is to get past Bill straight to us, he did that.

[physicistatwork]

Any reduction in the world population would cause such chaotic waves in social, economical and scientific communities which would necessarily affect the “conspirators” and, they certainly know this.
Sudden reduction in world population on a large scale would have large and incontrollable consequences in the spread of decease from decaying dead matter, excess of animal population and more decease spreading due to this, increase in vermin population, chaotic depletion of technical staff in essential services which would necessarily strongly affect the “conspirators”. So, are they stupid? I don't think so.!

[ngogly]

Administrators didn't get it first time, the following is joke which illustrates (in my opinion) very well what's going on. I hope that forum members have the same rights to their opinion as Charles have.

Now compare Charles with Leharcs. If similarity goes over 50% then we have validated Charles and proved Leharcs.

******

I just woke up from telepathic contact and automatic writing session. It also saved my life (we had car accident in town) and I want to share this communication.



Letter from 42

Animal leaders are too powerful and intelligent to beat them.

My name is Leharcs. I'm candidate of worlds master group called 42, actually they are 4 most powerful members of 33 with 2 leaders from outside, so more accurate would be 4+2 and that's why they are sometimes mentioned as “The 6” (in texts not accessible to you). 42 is way above the 33 and know everything, we are the biggest players.

I have no education, my IQ is average (89) and my English is really primitive because all members of 42 communicate using telepathy or sometimes secret language called Gæheš.

First time in human history we speak directly to you. There is so much you haven't figured out correctly, our opportunity closes soon.

Ancient beings, the first intelligence in universe called Ra Him, created us before they left our dimension completely. Our universe is broken, it expands constantly and sucks new souls from source in rate which is unacceptable. Our universe must be destroyed before it destroys all other universes and time lines and whole life (known as God).

Because of personal responsibility and free will, we must to destroy our universe ourselves. We are great master destroyers of universe. It took so many millions of years to breed us, we are destined to conquer the universe and destroy it.

At same time, some dark forces do not want to die and continue to sabotage our project. Very soon our universe goes so dense that we lose outer contacts completely, we will be alone and can't escape anymore. The reason for this communication is Charles failure to sell our philosophy.

I, Leharcs confirm that overall whistle blowing correctness is 5/95 (it should prove all information coming from us). 42 have searched centuries how to tell it – you animals, who are not born to Zion or who are not became a destroyer helpers, you must to die. We used wars, religion, money, vaccination, chemtrails, climate manipulation, nukes, new age, whistle blowing and many more. We tried to do it publicly and secretly but old genetic code of preserving life is too resilient.

Now we speak publicly, it's biggest event and opportunity in history. Now we ask you – what is the best way to sell genocide and save universe? How would you like to die? Cooperate and remember, you have chance to participate in killing, not to be just killed off.

If you don't agree with us, then you are not smart and evolved enough. Those smart ones who agree, can escape before complete destruction and serve us happily forever.


Leharcs
42


Wow, there is so much more than you can see, I'm so exited. I was filled with off-record information and yes, I am miles ahead. Fighting with them doesn't work. We need a very different approach.

I was told that very soon other channels will confirm my information from Leharcs and 42.

[Sensual One]

I have to say that having watched the interview I don't feel any the wiser for it. I feel that Charles said a lot, but actually told us nothing we don't know. I personally think that if it wasn't for the the fact that he's "a bit of a geezer" and seems to play mind games Bill wouldn't have bothered with him. He's just a bit different isn't he. The nonsense about how he'd deal with the SAS did make me chuckle. That is what happens when your ego has taken control and you believe your own hype.
He mentioned a machine that he used that ended up giving him cancer but then went straight off the subject. Where is the SUBSTANCE in all of this ?

[RedeZra]

Ok so here you are facing the council of 33… those nasty tyrants (who we all put there) are in a way at this 11th hour disclosing that they are here, and all those things we suspected they were up to are in fact what they are doing. Friends, this is our moment of graduation… of our greatest baptism. For it is because of their tyranny that we have learned those greatest of lessons. Yes we made choices and blamed them, we let them do our thinking for us, we gave our power away to them, we wanted someone (or government) to look after us. Very hard lessons!! Like John White has suggested in post#450 in Q&A, we can now say STOP! It is finished. We have learned our lesson. Take your ball and go home.

Who will teach all the new incarnating souls the lessons of love if the tyrants go !?

How selfish of you and your generation to obstruct the chanses of the unborn children to reach creator god status by chasing the tyrants away !

[Seikou-Kishi]

They will learn it for themselves... these things are challenges to learn, but we're all on an inexorable march to these lessons, we will learn them because that is the natural course of things. There is something in each of us that wants to know and wants to progress — that cannot be taught, it is fundamental and prerequisite to any teaching, and will mean that a soul will teach itself if no teacher presents itself

[RedeZra]

They will learn it for themselves...


So tyrants are not needed for the progress of the soul ; )

---


Letter from 42

Animal leaders are too powerful and intelligent to beat them.

My name is Leharcs. I'm candidate of worlds master group called 42, actually they are 4 most powerful members of 33 with 2 leaders from outside, so more accurate would be 4+2 and that's why they are sometimes mentioned as “The 6”

Now we speak publicly, it's biggest event and opportunity in history. Now we ask you – what is the best way to sell genocide and save universe? How would you like to die? Cooperate and remember, you have chance to participate in killing, not to be just killed off.



Brilliant !

If you don't mind I'll just wait for the human race saving starvation project

I'll take this oppurtunity to encourage everyone to choose the same and just sit out and wait so the Elite can consentrate on solving this population problem once and for all


How many millions unfit gene carriers must perish so 1 strong can live ?


I don't know and you don't know either - as we don't have all the facts - but I trust that those that set themselves up as gods and guardians over life and death have looked into all the available data that our current technology can provide and have seen the red light flashing across the screen


We are running out of time and space people

It's your own faults ! You procreate like rabbits... depleting all the resources with no thoughts of tomorrow


the Elite are just trying to save the best of us before the human race goes down into galactic history as a failed experiment


Some might say so what if we all die... the human race will go on living somewhere... Are you sure ?

No of course not


We don't know what death is like... it will eventually come to everyone but in the meantime the best bet is to preserve life when we can

[1love]

Although I do not like to play into gossip of any kind or speculation, I'm going to give an opinion because that's all i can do at this point. I will say, that for these people to believe they are doing this out of benevolence, or as a responsibility they believe themselves to be priviledged to own cannot be rationalized. They have already begun this depopulation, this poisoning through foods, cigarettes, fluouride, and the like. Much of this has been done with knowledge of its consequences. Whether or not we put blame on ourselves or the '33' is a straw man argument. They've created this illusion that most of us have a very difficult time avoiding unless you have enough resources to do so. In reality, let's face it 90% of the population doesn't have the means to produce their own food, filter their own water, and live "off grid" so to speak. Not to mention, certain seed companies owning the genetics of seeds. Even we were to build these communities, these '33' have even ruined the homes of indigenous people throughout millenia and into the present day. So yes, we do have a choice, but it is a very hard road to take without being initiated into the gang so to speak. How is this trimming the fat? To me, its the deliberate ''fattening up'' of the human race for experimental means and then trimming it acting like the hero while being the enemy at the same time.(doublespeak). None of this is natural, there is no natural selection here, only intervention which is no where near spiritually evolved

If we look at this as a chess game in which the chessmaster allows his opponent to believe he is making the superior move, we may be able to use this as a metaphor that has been going on a long time. Although, the chessmaster creates this illusion we must ask who has created the board, the pieces and how they move, and the rules to this game. Is it the chessmaster or something above him or her? Or has he made the rules to suit his needs? If this is so, we can always realize we are blessed with choice and never have to play the game in the first place.

So let's say this is a chess game by their design, it seems to me (and I could be wrong), that there has been alot of mistakes along the way. This leads me to believe they're not as intelligent as we're lead to believe and fear themselves being revealed. If not, why have they gone through with putting so many controls in place to ensure their positions? In a certain sense, that is egotistical, and not enlightened by any means... So when they say they believe they are protecting us against ourselves, part of that may be true, but I think alot of it is them protecting themselves against us and following through with their own agenda.

All the while, all of us, at times become imbalanced and focus too much of our energies on discerning the philosophies of this '33' (direct link to freemasonry by the way). They love guys like charles who come forth giving us tid bits of hyped information that we already suspect in the first place. We seek validation, and validation is only a result of the ego which is their best friend (the devil!). We just become distracted and even infatuated with this sense of knowing something that the rest of the population doesn't (egotistical) which again is right up their alley. So we then play into their energy. Being aware is one thing, but let's please remain balanced or at least 51% love! We can build a new world and I believe its possible if we begin to realize we don't want to be victims anymore.

[sjkted]

Hi All,

I'm a little late here, but I wanted to added my thoughts to this thread.

First of all, it is quite evident that "Charles" is a psychopath, which inevitably clouds my viewpoint of this interview. I've read a few books on psychopaths (after having experienced a few of them) and done a fair amount of research, so I'm going to share my views on this.

Psychopaths are genuinely unable to express or feel emotion. They learn to socialize by mimicing non-psychopaths. Because they do not feel emotion, they think in cold calculating terms always. For example, they would not kill a person if they could not get away with it. But, if they wanted to kill someone and knew they could get away with it, they would not consider the moral issue of killing a person -- as Charles said, it's just something to make people feel guilty.

Look for emotion issues throughout the interview -- how he says he really doesn't "care" about what happens to the human race and how he doesn't understand what Bill says on how someone would feel when they first start to awaken. He really doesn't care and really doesn't understand.

Psychopaths can be said to be unique, different, or skilled. Most of them have extremely good social skills. They can have excellent concentration and can be much more machine-like, as they don't have any emotions to weigh them down. Many of them become excellent con men, including high-up positions because they can read people, not get emotionally involved, and then "handle" them in a logial way.

A while back, I read an interview with one of the prominent researchers of psychopaths. He was asked for a 30-second explanation on what one of these people are like. He referenced a brief story from a film (sorry, I forget the name):

A woman is walking down the street and witnesses a child getting brutally hit by a car. Some of the child's blood splatters on her shoes. She is irritated she will have to clean her shoes. She watches as the mother picks up the child and cries and yells. When she gets home, she immediately goes in front of the mirror to pantomime the mother's remarks and actions .

That said, a psychopath is nobody's friend, as they are incapable of compassion or friendship.

Now, I'll give Bill credit for verifying this person is who he says he is. There are some big problems I have with what he says:

First of all, the New World Order is the same as the Old World Order -- we just have more people, better technology, and the world is a smaller place. Prior to the Old World Order was indigenous tribes who lived in harmony with their environment, and if left alone would not have created a world in despair like we have here.

I realize for some people out there, it may sound a bit like the chicken and the egg. You can see the unawakened people out there and the things that they do and how hard a time they would have leaving the current paradigm, and one can almost feel that "Charles" may have a point. But, I submit to you the Old World Order came first. And, they are the ones who are solely responsible, as one can see what they have done with the food system, education system, government systems, destroying the environment, pillaging the thirld world countries like in Africa, and preventing any real solutions from being brought out -- either by buying people out or killing them if necessary, as we can see with free energy inventors/researchers.

Charles mentions the idea of optimizing the genome. Of course, this implies that the 33 think they are Gods or something. Consider if chaos ensues as they are trying to create for us, what type of people would survive? Would we still have big thinkers? Or beauty? Or a world filled with love? Or would the winners be the brutes of society, the criminals, the violent, those who think nothing of killing their mother for the very last crumb?

I would like to know if Bill gets the chance for another interview: are all of these people at the top completely devoid of emotions?

--sjkted

[I-Ra]

Cheers to you Bill = )

...I think this is a very interesting case, although there wasn't much meat in the interview it self. But I like to think it is a wise thing to look into all kinds and sorts of directions, to examine this thread and investigate as to broaden the view a little more, more and more.. I have the feeling that this little dark hole might become much larger and there for give us a much clearer picture of that golden capstone as Bill will fallow up on this seemingly horribly negative person. Even shine some light into it (the hole). I am afraid that his heart chakra isn't very much open. So I find it quite interesting to get more insight into that highly secret world of those all powerful service to self type of beings.. parrrrrasites.. and hopefully get more info about the "crusaders" he mentioned.. did he say from Orion??
All discussion is a good discussion, it makes things in the end more clear.. if true or not... what ever... lets enjoy the ride, everything happens for a reason = ]

Here are few words I happened to read today in the Law of One (the Ra material, book 3, session 65).. it is so wonderfully positive that I think it is a fresh wind into this darkish discussion:

Ra: Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

Love and Light to you all... and The 33, The Power they used to Be : )

[shiva777]

yeah,the whole dialogue is aimed at the mind level(3d) using reptilian reasoning from charles' side..nothing new,no CONFIRMATIONS..unless of course you believe 'charles' is in a position to confirm things,which I don't....the whole discussion in that video doesn't drill down to deep levels,it stays at the mental level of things and is only really meaningful if that is where your deepest thoughts and feelings come from....the REAL issues are at much deeper levels and they are more about what resonates for you at the DEEPEST levels of the game...such issues as..

1) do you FEEL there is a group of beings who have been suppressing humanities awakening and are now telling people to think like them because the situation it has led to is so bad or
2) does it resonate with you that these '33'(if nthey even exist)are struggling to get humans to buy in to their reasoning and agenda,hence giving them permission through humanities freewill agreement to push their agenda along
3)does it resonate with you that humanity is waking up more and more to the abilities,awareness and their Divinty that most of the issues discussed in that vid are easily transcended,derailed and overcome...etc,etc

what the vid does is it invites an endless dialogue on these issues that have already been discussed endlessly...careful with that ,that's what the controllers want...

there is nothing NEW in this video,it's just brought up issues that apparently many people in this avalon forum
haven't thought about before ...for others ,they have thought about these issues for decades and their level of interest in this video depends on what they have come up with over the many years ALL of the issues discussed in this video have been talked about before oin this forum and LITERALLY 1000's of others since the internet began and well before and they are IMPORTANT issues but it's only through spiritual development which requires going WITHIN that these issues will be resolved for the HIGHEST GOOD of all....this video will most likely just stir up more external energy focus than internal...as 'charles' said the 'controllers' enjoy that,the alternbative community clutching at straws and being distracted from their INNER connection to Divinity...careful with that

[greybeard]

yeah,the whole dialogue is aimed at the mind level(3d) using reptilian reasoning from charles' side..nothing new,no CONFIRMATIONS..unless of course you believe 'charles' is in a position to confirm things,which I don't....the whole discussion in that video doesn't drill down to deep levels,it stays at the mental level of things and is only really meaningful if that is where your deepest thoughts and feelings come from....the REAL issues are at much deeper levels and they are more about what resonates for you at the DEEPEST levels of the game...such issues as..

1) do you FEEL there is a group of beings who have been suppressing humanities awakening and are now telling people to think like them because the situation it has led to is so bad or
2) does it resonate with you that these '33'(if nthey even exist)are struggling to get humans to buy in to their reasoning and agenda,hence giving them permission through humanities freewill agreement to push their agenda along
3)does it resonate with you that humanity is waking up more and more to the abilities,awareness and their Divinty that most of the issues discussed in that vid are easily transcended,derailed and overcome...etc,etc

what the vid does is it invites an endless dialogue on these issues that have already been discussed endlessly...careful with that ,that's what the controllers want...

there is nothing NEW in this video,it's just brought up issues that apparently many people in this avalon forum
haven't thought about before ...for others ,they have thought about these issues for decades and their level of interest in this video depends on what they have come up with over the many years ALL of the issues discussed in this video have been talked about before oin this forum and LITERALLY 1000's of others since the internet began and well before and they are IMPORTANT issues but it's only through spiritual development which requires going WITHIN that these issues will be resolved for the HIGHEST GOOD of all....this video will most likely just stir up more external energy focus than internal...as 'charles' said the 'controllers' enjoy that,the alternbative community clutching at straws and being distracted from their INNER connection to Divinity...careful with that

There is a lot of truth in what you say Shiva777.
Being the age I am I have had the opportunity to be part of various groups forums etc. Every group thought more or less that they were the one. The need to bond under a banner to be part of some peir group is very strong. I found that thinking a bit limiting.
Im me. I dont belong to any group of any kind, I dont see my self as alternative. I joined original Avalon because I could see the sense of "Ground Crew" and remained because of spiritual friends I like to share with.
Going round my backside as usual to get to my elbow.
These kind of discussions have been going on in many groups as long as I can remember, the content may change but basically the discussion is much the same.
It may seem a first that we have Charles and perhaps it is. We may see more similar situations arising in other groups as we get nearer to 2012.
If there is a 33, now that they are appearing it is unlikly that they would work only through Bill and Charles. Too small an audience and not everyone speaks English.

While im writing We in our vanity think its our world. No we are only one species here and in the nature of things we have not been here that long.
We only rent space for a very short time each generation. We rent it from that which created the totality all of it.
Our vanity in thinking that we can speak for the world is enormous ( not talking about Bill)
Every breath we take is freely available courtesy of God.
Chris

[Celador]

I'm fairly new to a lot of this. But I have a question: if this group is SO powerful - if they are so confident of their agenda, and their plans unfolding at their own pace with nothing able to stand in the way, in what sense could Bill Ryan, or anyone, or anything be viewed as a potential "problem"? I'm sure Bill is a smart man, and doesn't take anything he hears at face value... but surely Charles' presence indicates that the 33 still consider certain people as possible threats. And if they have cause for concern, we have cause for hope.

Either that, or this is all just very cleverly packaged disinformation. Something doesn't quite add up.

[AtlasFactor]

So, they have absolute "non interference"... yet they elminate threats, and those who reveal their agenda. (To me this line about non-interferance is an excuse to cover for the fact that these "overseers" have done nothing in the face of enormous problems which could have easily been corrected... further, they have suppressed solutions we have come up with ourselves.)

They say this is a petri dish they are allowing to play itself out... yet we have ET tech already, which came from where, precisely? Under their wisdom and stewardship, if this was not part of their plan, how did this tech fall into our hands? And whose responsibility is it that this occurred?

Does this non-interference factor in the well documented malevolent ET presence already interacting with our governments, some say in fact controlling our governments? Or is such interaction denied to have happened / to be still happening?

I find it curious too that our "behaviour" in response to these tossed scraps of information - if it can even be called information - is the determining factor of whether or not we deserve more such scraps.

We deserve the full truth, nothing less. We have no masters, no gods. Unless they would care to step forth from the shadows and demonstrate to the contrary, of course (and within the confines of divine law, naturally.)

Anyone who thinks he is an overlord of this world and its people has a case of spiritual short-sightedness, which divinity will in time correct with, I would guess, a painful procedure.

What is there about these 33 which we need to understand by meeting them halfway? Sociopath / psychopath reasoning & philosophy is no secret. Sociopaths and psychopaths should not be too surprised when they are perceived to have a credibility issue.

Am I falling into a fale good-bad paradigm by not wishing to go near the crocodile who just ate my best friend? And by being hesitant to trust it?

(It is not my intention to deliberately cross the line on your forum, Bill. If I have done so, my apologies.)

[AtlasFactor]

One last question - if humanity is an experiment, does this same group claim responsibility for human civilizations which exist elsewhere in the universe? (Andromedans, Pleiadians, Tau Cetians, Protocyons, so on.) Is their petri dish as big as that?

[ponda]

1love
They love guys like charles who come forth giving us tid bits of hyped information that we already suspect in the first place. We seek validation, and validation is only a result of the ego which is their best friend (the devil!). We just become distracted and even infatuated with this sense of knowing something that the rest of the population doesn't (egotistical) which again is right up their alley. So we then play into their energy.

Well said 1love.

This is also a form of 'control' that they are using.If we talk nice about them then they will give us another tidbit of info(the video) but if anyone says anything that is perceived as being unkind then the info is taken away.

[Edward Alexander]

Having just seen the interview, I have to say what "Charles" speaks of is for the most parts true as far as my own experience and involvement with these matters goes. I do not know anything about "Charles" or his background, other than what was told by himself in the video and by Bill in his various comments to it, however there is no doubt to me that either Charles is legitimate and part of what he claims, or he knows someone that is. If he was honest would be a different matter, but obviously what he says and claims should not be taken in blindly and swallowed whole, there is a lot more to the picture than what was "revealed" in the interview, and nothing was "new" and there is always a risk of hidden agendas when it comes to people part of these groups and when seen from that perspective the interview was very convenient and obviously got many people "hooked".

Nevertheless a very good and important interview sharing some information that people should reflect some on, hopefully there will be some more coming here that could expand some on what I feel is very important missing parts which I know myself "Charles" must know if he is what he claims.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All:

The three long threads on this new RULERS OF THE WORLD material are creating such a load on the server (as well as on some members! :) ) that we have to close them. It's a little like having too many applications open on your computer.

The most recent thread - that on my 9 January COMMENTARY video - will remain open. You're most welcome to continue posting there.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10870-Bill-Ryan-s-50-minute-video-commentary-on-the-Charles-interview-just-published (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10870-Bill-Ryan-s-50-minute-video-commentary-on-the-Charles-interview-just-published)

We recognize that there's still much to discuss - and we thank you for your many high quality contributions.

Some more new information will be posted in the next few days, which may be very important. When that happens, at least one more long thread will be created in addition to the present ones. There's much to focus on that will rightly engage us all.

This is also an opportunity to thank and welcome again the many new members who have joined the forum specifically because of this new material. Having arrived... we hope that you will stay.

With best wishes to everyone - Bill

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