THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Friends,

It's my pleasure to announce a new video, published today - on 1.1.11, most auspiciously - which covers a very great deal of extremely important new ground.

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_Rulers_of_the_World_1_January_2011.mp3 (audio, 84 Mb)
http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_Rulers_of_the_World_1_January_2011.mp4 (video, 414 Mb)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_nLgHnC6BdE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLgHnC6BdE

I've been deeply engaged in the material covered in this interview - which is just about everything you might think of - for the last several months; and this accounts for my unusually low public profile recently, which some have commented on, and a few have been concerned about.

This is a two hour, on-camera interview with the contact - named 'Charles' - to whom I've made passing reference in recent radio shows, and who first e-mailed me in July of 2010. We first spoke in August, logged over 30 hours of Skype calls, and then a couple of weeks ago, before Christmas, we finally met in person.

Below is a transcript of the introduction to the video, which constitutes an important personal message. It's the best summary I can offer.

The video itself explains a great deal about the modus operandi of the controllers, and starts to lay out some of the events and scenarios that - up till now - have been planned.

This material is the tip of a very large and important iceberg needed. I know some of that iceberg, but not all of it. I hope to learn much more during the coming months.

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A personal message from Bill Ryan


In the summer of 2010 I was approached by a very unusual man. The story of that contact is described by him in this interview. I've called him 'Charles'.

He's spent many years working for the elite group that considers it their responsibility to run the planet.

He's not an academic, a historian, or a scientist. But he wanted to communicate some important information: about the worldview and philosophy of this group — from their point of view: what they're trying to achieve, why, and how. What he wants to see is what he calls a 'Fair Contest'.

There's a great deal of material that was not covered in this interview. It is, to some degree, the start of a dialog. The group of 33 that 'Charles' works with is indirectly using this opportunity to communicate. I've reported this communication as accurately as possible.

As is normal journalistic practice, some of the information was asked to be off-record at this stage. As you watch this interview, you will see that there are a great many unanswered questions. I'd like there to be a further interview. But any decision about this isn't mine to make.

For me, the second half of 2010 has been an interesting time. It's culminated in this opportunity to communicate indirectly, through this video and through 'Charles' himself, with the group of people who are running the planet.

This is what I would like this opportunity to say:




I understand the history and context that 'Charles' has explained — some of which is in this interview.

But there is another way.

If you are to be the true leaders of the planet, you can be the captains of Spaceship Earth with a responsibility for the entire Human Family.

There can be a massive clean-up operation. You know that the technology exists. Between us all, this can be done.

Clean water, clean air, clean oceans, free energy, abundant wildlife, health and education for every human being.

Planet Earth could be a paradise planet — a model for this sector of the galaxy.

The Human Race is a massive, long-term experiment.

This information, confirmed by yourselves via 'Charles', will not be new to many of those watching this video.

'Charles' has explained that the extraterrestrial race who initiated this project are letting everything unfold with a philosophy of non-interference.

It is arguable that the optimum conclusion for all — an outcome that would delight those whose project this is — would be for the Human Race to take responsibility for itself: and show just what they can do.

Your legacy to remain for time immemorial, here and elsewhere, could be:

We cleaned up the mess.

We inspired and funded the world's brightest and best from every nation to work together to solve the problems.

We fully restored this beautiful, magnificent jewel of this solar system.

Look what we did.

When the entire Human Family, organized, focused, and under inspired leadership, worked together — to show just what could be done.
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Notes on the interview:

Charles' London accent is quite strong... and in places the dialog is very fast-flowing. This might be a problem for some people for whom English is not their native language. A transcript will be available in a week or so, and another video subtitled in English will be uploaded. Translations will follow as soon as possible.

There's a very interesting dramatic backdrop to this story, which has not yet been told.

Charles first contacted me because he had been ordered to 'deal with me'. I had become a 'problem', and he tells this story in the interview. The attempt to take Project Camelot down had, to some degree, failed: there was initially one problem, but now (with the 'amoeba splitting') there were two. But as Charles discovered more, he changed his own priorities.

After that, all kinds of drama ensued. Charles was obliged to 'run', landing up in jail in Nigeria... and broke out to return to the UK where he was eventually required to report back to his colleagues. He is now, to quite some degree, operating to facilitate communications both ways between myself and the controlling group.

I'll release more about the specifics of Charles' information over the coming weeks. The only reason I'm not presenting it all at once is that there's a huge amount of it: there are many places to drill down into. These include:




The demonization/ criminalization of the alternative media.
The plan to create a false flag event to present the ETs as dangerous enemies.
The plan to reduce the world's population through the control and distribution of food.
Planet X and dangerous solar activity (both are real - but are not show-stopping threats).
The ET project to create and optimize a new genome - which is the human race on this planet.
This is the first time in the history of the human race that we have got our hands on ET technology - which was never part of the plan. There were no accidental UFO crashes: all the craft were shot down - at first by a 'lucky hit', and thereafter deliberately.
The legacy of the controlling group, and why they feel this is their responsibility.
The way the controlling group functions, and considers its role: some of their codes, protocols, and 'rules'.

An important note: this group is NOT the Illuminati. It's a Council of the 33 most senior members (defined in a particular way) of each of the 33 bloodline families on the 'inside'. The controlling group does not have a formal name.

They meet frequently, and make major decisions about global affairs. Charles has always emphasized - even when he had greatly displeased some of them through his insubordination - that this group sincerely feels it is doing the best thing for the planet, the human race, and the ETs... whoever they are (Charles does not have access to this information).

Other groups which we know of (the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Knights of Malta, the Rosicrucians, the Priory of Sion - and many more), are all groups or societies which are lower down the 'pyramid' of control. This group of 33 constitutes the very capstone.

There's a great deal to suggest that this release of information will be watched and monitored very closely indeed. As mentioned above, I have more information, which for the moment has been archived offline with a number of other trusted people.

It remains to be seen how much more detailed information I'm at liberty to release in the coming weeks and months. But the big picture is laid out very clearly in this interview. In the meantime, my intention, as made clear in my personal statement above (and in the introduction to the video), is to suggest in the strongest and most courteous ways I can to the controlling elite that there is another way to go. I want nothing less than to change the timeline of the human race.

And to do that, the shift in consciousness that will be required needs to extend from the very lowest to the very highest strata of society. Now that a New Year is upon us - 2011, as significant as any that we have experienced thus far - and here we all are still standing (and in the process becoming wiser, more aware, more responsible, and much better informed): I ask all of you reading this, and watching the video, to join me in a vision for Planet Earth in which every human being, no-one excluded, plays their part in creating.

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
1 January 2011

[Teakai]

Thanks, Bill. Am downloading it now to listen to tomorrow.
It's taking ages, wish it would hurry up - wanna go to bedzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[John Parslow]

Happy New Year Bill

Many thanks for the excellent video with ‘Charles’ - well worth the wait and a brilliant contribution for the New Year ...

Happy New Year to all with peace and love for 2011. JP :cool:

[Scott]

Thank You Bill

I will watch this 1st thing today, this must be part of what you were eluding to on the Avalon conference.
I do have a question though.
Did Jordan Maxwell meet this gentleman and what was his assessment ?

Scott/Aztar

[witchy1]

Thank you Bill and Charles. Most informative and as you stated, confirms what many here already suspected.... rightly the information is already in front of us.

I did not know about the leggo space ships we (they) built. (I think you called it modular) and we intend on being the explorers not the explored! Sounds like we are really actively defending the planet against everybeing!

I would have loved to have him speak about the off planet beings already living here with us and any comments he had on the reptilians dwelling under the surface. Actually so many questions and other topics to cover - I do hope there is another opportunity to speak with him - food water God(ess), health and medicine, pyramids, energy etc etc etc
Did he confirm that the 33 answer to an off planet species??????????? Cant recall that and was there confirmation on the importance of raising the conscienceness of the population - will it have any effect on anything.

Wonder if we keep naming dates that will put off their plans given they just wont do it if we do name dates (evil laugh).

I am also stretching my imagination to think about the names of another 33 gene pools over and above the illumanati - whose names we know!!! Who ARE these people?????

Good luck with the counter proposal
W

[bennycog]

hey bill.. sitting in my motel room downloading it now and will be watching it when i get to africa.. am heading there for work as usual. i hope we will all see some fruits of our labour come into the human consiousness this year mate :)
bennycog

[bashi]

Bill, congratulation for being able to have this level of interaction!
I wish you use your 20 seconds to the maximum!

A question: Charles said: "Until they get to the moon and bring that thing back"... he will not join the bandwagon. To what is he refering to?

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Bill, my boss is quite unsatisfied for me retiering to a secluded computure watching something and mumbeling to myself.
i am 40 minuets in to the interview..i am taking down my (virtual) hat infront of you.

limor

[redeyeblue]

My first thoughts on this guy were screaming BS and my instincts are usually correct, however i do feel there is an ulterior motive at play here which could very well be a set up job. There are a few points i could go into which point me towards calling this guy a hoax, i will come back to this thread when i have more time but for me this interview seems pretty pointless with no verifiable content.
Maybe i'm being a bit grumpy having spent 2 hours listening to this guy ramble.

[vericocha]

Hello Bill,

A VERY interesting interview Bill. I'm not sure which emotion I have more, elation that more disclosure is being released or frustration of the unanswered questions. Bill can you ask him as to the status of David icke as viewed by the '33' and to whether David is seen as a 'threat'? Also the nature of the Holograpphic universe as theorised by Icke. Can you also pin 'Charles' down on the severity of Earth changes and push him on a timeline. There is one as you know!

Best regards Bill and Thankyou so much for your courage.

Rob Walton





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Dear Friends,

It's my pleasure to announce a new video, published today - on 1.1.11, most auspiciously - which covers a very great deal of extremely important new ground....

[BMJ]

Most sincerely thank you Bill & Charles for having the courage to release this interview. It would take alot strength to do so.

To the 33, please just be more straight forward with us the public, im am sick of the BS, and just want get us all on the same page working together to help all of mankind move forward.

[mgray]

Bill,
Thank you for the interesting interview. I'm assuming Charles was well vetted by you prior to this video and that what he knows is valuable addition to the narrative in your opinion.
I can relate to the corp. thinking visa vis population control. Downsizing to get a better return on investment for the shareholders. That would seem to be the mindset of the 33 and the language they would use.
A group, which trades exclusively on inside information, with the power to change business landscapes at a moments notice and capitalized on those changes. I'm thinking Microsoft and PCs, the Web and Google.
What troubles me with the financial model is how can the 33 be at the top of their game if economies of scale or takeovers do not occur in their sphere of influence.
Would they not suffer the same bloated model that they wish to change here? Who among them decides which elite become common?
Thanks again for the video and Happy New Year's.

[Elly]

Thanks Bill for this loving interview. Thanks Bill and Charles for sharing your thoughts. Yes Project Camelot-Avalon is relevant.

I believe the river analogy is an important one. Situations finding a natural resolution by controlling the direction of the flow. That is what the Game is about. They believe they are doing a responsible job. I wonder who gave them this responsibility, and why?

An important information : the control of the food supply. As I understand it, the monster will be coming from that direction. But I find it really sad that the ones with all the resources, data and logic, concluded that mass extermination is the only solution to the problems of this experiment. In my opinion, this conclusion will come again, and again, and again.

I'm discouraged by the fabrication. There are no incentives to grow. It is all rubish. Maybe, maybe, if we could kindly share the truth with each other, we would be able to make significant decisions and become what we should become, to our full potential. That is loving, selfless, creative beings. We are right now lacking courage (including myself).

If it really ends up to this conclusion, why are we still allowed to reincarnate on this planet?

[PHARAOH]

Must say i'm a bit surprised. Lots of blah, blah, blah with little substance. I think its safe to say we already knew much of what was discussed and covered. Bill you have every right to look and deal with this man with every fiber of sceptisism. After revealing how and why you met I wouldn't let me guard down with this guy. Please be careful.

[Heartsong]

Just finished watching the whole interview. Charles is an interesting, if not charming, sociopath who sounds as if he knows what he knows. He's not telling all that he knows however, and is playing Bill a bit. I think Bill is aware of that. The interview was fascinating and I look forward to hearing more from him.

In comparison to other interviewees, he never makes a play for the emotions or fears. He's not looking for followers or believers. It's not quite clear why he would do an interview like this unless Bill has become, in his mind, a worthy opponent. Tread lightly here. The game's afoot.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Happy New Year Bill, am downloading the interview and if I may, comment later. It just might have a bearing on what I mentioned recently to you.

[Daft Ada]

Hi Bill, Outstanding performance on your part, you are as good an interviewer as any Micheal Parkinson or the like mate. I really don't know what to make of this chap, I could understand the top 33 using a guy of his background to sort a few problems out for them, but I find it hard to accept that they would then let him in and include him in their group as such, I would have thought having proved himself to be competant at errrr "Sorting things out" they wouldn't want him too close and to know too much of their secrets.
Modular triangle space fleet? Has anyone ever reported a triangle flying around with a chunk missing out of it? while the indavidual small ship is off on a mission, plus think of the actuall configuration of making a large triangle out of lots of small ones, every other ship would have to reverse in. and in a particular order.
I would say Two hours of not a lot of information, other than about him, but maybe it will lead to better in the future now that the first interview has been done and he should be more comfortable with it.
Happy new year Bill and everyone on the forum. D.A.

[bilko]

Ok, where to begin?
Firstly i would like to thank Bill and Charles for an absolutely phenomenal interview.
There is an awful lot of innuendo to process here. Reading between the lines, facial expressions and body language as well as well timed pauses and deliberate ommintances.
If there was a question i would have posed to Charles it would have been " What right do the 33 think they have in deciding which lives must be spared?" and all that that question entails....
It is either a question of ego or necessity and although i understand the metaphor of the family drowning in the river i would hope there are better ways of dealing with over population than taking away their choices.
It is easy to say that we should turn off the tv meaning that it is a choice we made ourselves as a race; but this is the bed that was made for us, the direction we were led in.
If what Charles says is true in that this goes back past the ancient Egyptians then it is their mistake.

A problem shared is a problem halved even if there will be some upset in solving the problem, i believe it is morally right to air the problem in the general forum and let us come up with a solution as a race. We will solve it, or not, it will be messy and hard but i think it would be better although not necessarily kinder.

I like Charles's take on time. I am and have been working through a theory in my head that time is or was the forbidden fruit that trapped us here like this. That time birthed the ego which binds us to the mind and not the heart. The knowledge of time not time itself. Anyway, still playing that through.
More to come after i read replies etc.

[KosmicKat]

Thank you to both Bill and "Charles" for this interview. A lot to digest here but for me at least, this has clarified some things.

[bilko]

Did he confirm that the 33 answer to an off planet species??????????? Cant recall that and was there confirmation on the importance of raising the conscienceness of the population - will it have any effect on anything.


W

Witchy
It is my understanding that Charles intimated that the 33 bloodlines were in some form either alien or direct ascendants of alien beings beit humanoid or not.
Otherwise this is all one big egotistical experiment/game they are playing. I got the impression that the original bloodline was terraforming or creating races for purposes unknown.

[greybeard]

It comes down to priorities.
The more you think that you are the body and that life, which is what you are, is dependent on there being the opportunity to take the form of human being, the more you will worry about the content of the interview.
Charles is dying, is he worried, I think not.
We all die sooner or later. Then what?
I think the, then what? is important, thats my personal priority, must be my age Lol

There is immense power in knowing you are not the body, that you continue to exist after the body expires.
Then without fear you can do the best for your fellow man while here.
Bill rightly feels that there is another way and that in my opinion is the raising of consciousness.
Individually we are without the necessary force far less power to resolve the difficulties faced by mankind, ie starvation for one.
However when there is the spiritual knowing that there is only One and we are part of that One, then there is a raising of the consciousness of all seeming others.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
When working out of a higher consciousness there is the power to manifest life supporting change.
Gandhi worked a miracle, Nelson Mandela also, Gorbachev brought about peace with the cooperation of others.
These were massive changes.
Using the same power (higher consciousness) then we could feed the world, do away with warfare and solve other problems that have beset mankind for much of its history.

Taking the worst case scenario, that the whole human race becomes extinct, is that a problem?
No.
Why?
Because the life that you are is eternal and if necessary will take form as a different species. Everyone is an aspect of that life.
Everyone survives.
There are no "losers"
That might seem a radical point of view but think about it.
Even in earthly terms the way to survive is through a raising of consciousness.
The likes of David Icke are very clear, when all is said and done, he said "All is an illusion except unconditional love"

Putting all that aside
I found the interview interesting.
It would seem that the UFO's sighted are probably ours and that most of what we believe in the alternative media is untrue.
Most of the spiritual books are just good fiction, some truth and not a little fantasy.
Life tends to unfold slowly, yesterday much the same as today, tomorrow much the same as today.

Respecting all differing points of view
Chris

[bilko]

My first thoughts on this guy were screaming BS and my instincts are usually correct, however i do feel there is an ulterior motive at play here which could very well be a set up job. There are a few points i could go into which point me towards calling this guy a hoax, i will come back to this thread when i have more time but for me this interview seems pretty pointless with no verifiable content.
Maybe i'm being a bit grumpy having spent 2 hours listening to this guy ramble.

Hi Redeyeblue
I too have taken into consideration that this may all be dissinfo and from a man raised down the road from me with the same ( ish ) accent.
His wild card seemed to be his "abilities" and "what would i gain from it?" as well as that underlying will do do whatever is necessary to get to the position where was getting noticed.
A man who will do whatever is necessary can be very useful.
The truth is that i don't know if he is telling the truth or not. I did see his ego once or twice with a few head wobbles and his confidence is as stable as a rock. His knowledge seems limited if only because he has no interest in the more esoteric stuff ( as he said ). He doesn't do it for money...power, maybe. I think he likes feeling in control ( and i say that respectfully not knowing the man ). Which brings me back to his abilities hmm. I can actually relate him to Gary Mckinnan in many things.

[3optic]

My first thoughts on this guy were screaming BS and my instincts are usually correct, however i do feel there is an ulterior motive at play here which could very well be a set up job. There are a few points i could go into which point me towards calling this guy a hoax, i will come back to this thread when i have more time but for me this interview seems pretty pointless with no verifiable content.
Maybe i'm being a bit grumpy having spent 2 hours listening to this guy ramble.

This is fair. By his own admission that's what he does and the charm and humble rapport he brings is very appealing. However you may be grumpy ;) There is little in this format that differs with other PC/PA interviews. They're all non-linear and have little verifiable content. It's just another piece. Maybe you're bringing an unreasonable expectation with you.

[bilko]

While i remember i want to add that Charles seemed very good at not replying to anything really. He used the same technique i have seen with a few whistleblowers on your videos of what i can only describe as misdirection. He is there for a reason and i understand there is a protocol but he would neatly guide bill around issues until they were lost in another issue. The first thing that comes to mind is "the monster" although i think we got part way there in the end. I think the summary that you kept giving him Bill was a n opportunity that he seemed to latch onto to skirt the original questions. I could be wrong, but that is how i perceived it an in impartial viewer without all of the drama of a meeting.

[bilko]

There is immense power in knowing you are not the body, that you continue to exist after the body expires.
Then without fear you can do the best for your fellow man while here.

Chris

This is so true Chris and i believe one of the major steps we must take towards transformation. More than a belief, a knowing that we are not our bodies and perhaps more importantly, we are not our minds. If we lived from the heart, None of the problems we discuss daily here would exist!

[Sentience]

given the nature of who he claims to be and who he is speaking on behalf of, He can't be doing this as a favour to mankind. His motives are almost certainly for his own benefit.

I would tread very carefully as I don't trust a word he says.

[Zook]

Happy New Year to all on the virgin day of 2011!!!

I'm not sure Charles celebrates the Year, the Day, or any time fragment thereof - after all, he lives in apparent contempt of time - but good health to him all the same, in the coming year and beyond!!!

Just finished watching the video. Interesting stuff. I tend to agree with his assessment that 70% of alternative media is charlatanry (e.g. being run like rabbits on greyhound racetracks tho' perhaps not realizing that themselves). And he's bang on about the food control paradigm, at least, from all that I have read ... so nothing new there. Carol Rosin already covers the fake alien invasion; Charles confirms this from his place in the compartment (we're all being compartmented more or less). Charles makes a metaphorical allusion to fat and lean meat (e.g. hamburgers on legs), which is a little disturbing as this aligns with previously tabled capstone (hypocapstone??) remarks, e.g. useless eaters. Charles is confident that 2012 is a psyops. That Niburu is perhaps part of a binary star system with the Sun.

In short, I tend to agree with Charles. Having said that, it is still possible Bill is being played to garner sympathy for the goals of the capstone (and the hypocapstone). After all, much of what Charles offers is merely confirmation of what most of us already know (who've entered the rabbit hole). To Bill's credit, he doesn't succumb to the temptation of endorsing the capstone, at least not as much as Charles actively or passively has done or is doing. I see Bill largely in conflict with his conscience ... which is a good thing. Charles appears not to be bothered by philosophical considerations, being practical from head to toe - and down through the holding skin to the connecting bones. This is not a good thing, IMHO. After all, Bill still fights for what makes us all human, e.g. the multitude of inefficiencies. Charles, by contrast, appears to have had his umbilical cord cut closer to the mother than the baby, with the hypocapstone then grabbing the baby by the cord and pulling it through boyhood and puberty to young adulthood to midlife without much conscience or crisis; and with much material inducement. He is an unrepentant materialist; and should be as much admired for his consistency as despised for his material weakness aka practicality. Practicality, alas, is a codeword for the collection of energies of the hydra of animal instincts; in the most extreme case, this hydra transforms into a highly-trained algorithm-executing robot that kills inefficiency on command and with great proficiency (here, inefficiency is a codeword for both humans and human values). Charles is a brilliant mind, but brilliant minds that are short in conscience are closer to machines than humans.

IMHO, the notion of fair play - for Charles - is a functional paradigm, e.g a means to an end. Give the masses a sense of fair play and they will be less inclined to storm the Ziggurat, as it were; which is why many things are hidden in plain sight. I mean, what can be unfair about keeping things above board? Fortunately, for the rest of us, fair play is a means in itself. And that is a fundamental rift between people of conscience (e.g. pathwalkers) and people of practicality (e.g. stateholders). Between people of noble purpose and people of perceived noble purpose but who are really not. Between human-orients and robot-orients. Between Bill and Charles ... in a black and white view of the world.

Having said that - and my conscience behooves me to warn fellow Avalonians of the real possibility of deception (with Bill being deceived by Charles) - I will now state my support for Charles. For I cannot exclude the possibility that Charles has found his conscience, however small it may have been to start ... it's my belief, FWIW, that none of us have unit conscience and none of us have zero conscience ... and having found his conscience, is working towards finding unity and unit conscience. It would be a shame to have such a brilliant mind not working for the good of humanity (even if his publicly stated claim is that he works purely from a point of practicality). To wit, no one is so brilliant that they are bigger than their own insecurities ... alas, insecurity is an amplifier of conscience, if not also a conscience mill. Humble opinions all around.

:smow::smow::smow::typing::smow::smow::smow:

ps: My New Year's Hope for Bill and Charles is that they get together again and explore ways to bridge the gap between the philosophical and the practical.

[meeradas]

[...], but brilliant minds that are short in conscience are closer to machines than humans.

Thanks for the whole, but especially for this.

[Banshee]

Zook,

Happy New Year! The Earth said hello to me and omg is my head splitting. :( (Don't ever mix wine and champagne. )

Bill is not being mislead. He has been vetting this information for months. Doing his homework..... We need to take a page out of the controllers' handbook and "let it flow"... Bill said that more information will be released. People need time to digest and consider the information before they can take on more. If Bill and "Charles" dumped it on them in one go, a lot of good information would be overlooked in a "wood for the trees type" response.

The one thing that I garnered from the interview is this: The Controllers will change their strategy if they believe we are "on to them". That said, we either attempt to openly implore them to change ( as Bill appears to be doing) or we reamain subversive and beat them at their game. Either way, time lines will change. I would prefer those timelines to change by the terms of the children of Earth, not the self appointed controllers of it ( yes, i am hung over as would be evidenced by my dangling participles).

In closing, I am extremely grateful that my inner voice told me to start organic mini farming five years ago. Its the same inner voice that lead me to Project Avalon. That same voice is telling me to play very close attention to what Bill is saying. He, for whatever reason, truly seems to love this earth and the people on it.

[Agape]

The next question I'd ask 'Charles' is , for what kind of audience ( social group ) is this kind of 'release' sequestered .
I bet sure he would not be able to answer that question but can hear more laughter from backgrounds.

It was seriously entertaining debate, the type I can appreciate in real time too.


Happy New Year Day :first:

[greybeard]

Another thing that comes across to me is that those who think they rule the world get great enjoyment from seeing the alternative media pull us here there and everywhere and they (The alternative media) think they are awake and all else asleep. Ha!!!
For my money they are so easily distracted, running from one headline grabbing event to another.
Distracted from what? is the $million question.
Raising of consciousness is my answer.
My feeling is that we have to get to the real root of the problem.
The collective consciousness has not evolved enough, risen enough, yet to have the required power to transcend the various situations and attitudes that are less than life supporting.
The main tool of the "others" is fear, a person of raised vibration has little fear so not easily led or controlled.
The "other" has a vested interest in keeping the collective in fear and of a low vibration.
We are being led to believe that there is an enemy out there, something to fear and that is the big brake on the raising of consciousness in my opinion.
The more we can argue and disagree the more the so called rulers are happy.
A simple way is "Let go let God" the power of prayer is phenomenal.
Eckhart Toll said that "Consciousness is rising because it wants to, can we help it no just get out of the way" is what he said.
Simplistic but sheer force of our will has not achieved peace, we go to war to get peace, how mad is that?
Its not being a door mat either, just a balance.
Thats my ramblings of the moment
Regards Chris

[Czarek]

Bill, I would love to know what "Charles'" diet is all about.

[BrianEn]

Thank you for this interview Bill and Charles. I'll be waiting for more of the reveals this guy. I'll probally watch this more than once more just to hear what I missed in the first viewing. I would've have to hear what he knows about Gary McKinnon. My head drooped when he said that was off the record. Lots of info in there. Lots some new some not as new. A good interview. Thank you again for sharing this.

[shadowstalker]

Thank you Bill, as i was really getting bored, LOL I have literally watched every single vid that PC had post and was looking threw UFOTV these past few days. Don't make me do that again ,,Mwahahahaha.
have an awesome New years guys, LOVE YOU ALL...

[Snowbird]

This interview is really the perfect way to start the 2011 new year. As reality has smacked us in the face this New Year's Day, we now have a much better understanding of what is in store for us and why.

I started watching this interview (using a headset because I could understand Charles more clearly) with my first cup of coffee in hand. Charles and what he stands for, are difficult at best, to digest, especially so early in the day and the new year. My higher self was reminding me throughout the interview that I owe Charles and his groups of 33 controllers respect and unconditional love. But I have to be honest, in that this is a really difficult task to perform.

If what Charles says is true, that as long as he, Charles, remains on the earth, then Bill Ryan is safer from harm, then we all need to continuously pray for and meditate on Charles' good health.

I have to hand it to Bill for having the fortitude to sit across from C. for hours for this interview. This had to have been really difficult.

The people from these privileged bloodlines and their minions are just beyond rational understanding. They may be doing and planning what they believe to be the right thing for their own reasons, but their reasoning far surpasses any sort of rationality known to humankind.

Perhaps that is the whole point.

[bluegate]

Thanks Bill for this loving interview. Thanks Bill and Charles for sharing your thoughts. Yes Project Camelot-Avalon is relevant.

I believe the river analogy is an important one. Situations finding a natural resolution by controlling the direction of the flow. That is what the Game is about. They believe they are doing a responsible job. I wonder who gave them this responsibility, and why?

An important information : the control of the food supply. As I understand it, the monster will be coming from that direction. But I find it really sad that the ones with all the resources, data and logic, concluded that mass extermination is the only solution to the problems of this experiment. In my opinion, this conclusion will come again, and again, and again.

I'm discouraged by the fabrication. There are no incentives to grow. It is all rubish. Maybe, maybe, if we could kindly share the truth with each other, we would be able to make significant decisions and become what we should become, to our full potential. That is loving, selfless, creative beings. We are right now lacking courage (including myself).

If it really ends up to this conclusion, why are we still allowed to reincarnate on this planet?


<<why are we still allowed to reincarnate on this planet>> I have asked myself this question again and again without a satisfactory answer, until now. It is becoming evident to me that whoever started this experiment (us) on this planet are sufficiently powerful as to re-direct our souls (energy) into the planet again and again...all because they see us as something malfunctioning - not up to be released to the next level! Maybe I'm wrong, but something very strong in my heart tells me this is the case.

[Moemers]

That was kind of my question too.

Why do these souls (ours) continue to incarnate in this "experiment?"

Are we some kind of test-pilots or something?

[yaksuit]

brilliant interview!!

[bluegate]

All in all, about the whole thing with the rulers, something is very clear to me, they are as coward as any inferior being can be! Why don't they dare to tell us directly what they are doing or plan to do? They have been annihilating human races for ions...one have to look at the books of conventional history as well as alternative historians, we find that they have destroyed "their" project again and again.

[shiva777]

things go very deep...we have a false "death" program and we(our spirits) are tethered to our body imprint here ...we were never meant to die,we were meant to experience these realms.EMBODY more of our divinity and ascend out of this construct in more REFINED BODIES BY CONCIOUS CHOICE..the reason we die is that we have been interwoven in to a distorted hologram..when we die we get taken in to the astral planes.,experience FAlse LIGHT AND LOVE and then get fed back in to incarnation in to the distorted hologram trap because of the distorted hologram architecture of our bodies...we are basically food for those who have distorted the hologram...

That is now ending as more and more people are becoming aware of how the distortion was perpetrated....those who say "keep it simple ,stupid" are the stupid ones...God created the details and we are here to become aware of God..DETAILS and all..when we know the details we can understand where and how the corruptions to the hologram were done...when we come in to concious awareness of that then we can co-create the repair...which is what is occuring....religions,new-age preachers such as Tolle,who are just perpetuating religious distortions and surrender to "gods'" or distorted dimensional "bliss" states and other "controllers" are about to get a huge wake up call...the more who wake up the sooner these deceptions and distortions collapse...

Those who just focus on the external agendas and simplistic spiritual understandings are just splashing around in the shallows...evolution is about BODY>MIND>EMOTION AND SPIRIT becoming aware and ONE integrated thing...

I haven't watched the vid yet but from the comments I have read here it doesn't sound very impressive or deep to me..will watch it anyway

[Agape]

If what Charles says is true, that as long as he, Charles, remains on the earth, then Bill Ryan is safer from harm, then we all need to continuously pray for and meditate on Charles' good health.


You know the problem is...Charlies have tasks. They always accomplish their tasks no matter what they say and no matter what it costs ..

The problem is, we need to lift up for some better news on earth else it's all no go.

The problem IS with society that stopped believing that truth has power.


There's a pickle in every jar unless it's the same jar that has been in store room for last 30 thousands years, all the same Charlies.


Where's the news :sick:



I'll tell mum to call me Charlie, hope it helps...




:alien:

[KosmicKat]

The one thing that I garnered from the interview is this: The Controllers will change their strategy if they believe we are "on to them". That said, we either attempt to openly implore them to change ( as Bill appears to be doing) or we reamain subversive and beat them at their game.

If I may, I would suggest that we don't fall into the trap of thinking that there is only one right path here. We do what is right at the time, taking into account all available data (in whatever form we are able to receive it).

Right now, I have to ask myself, "has the internet become my television?", my drug of choice? it's easy to connect and I've never been very sociable. And the signs are pretty clear when I can't connect to the internet; I am worried and grouchy.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Don’t be too taken in by some of his stories…Most of what he presents as he has stated, we all know about…this is a very clever man and knows exactly how to embed an idea into your mindset…yes he speaks a lot of truth but he very cleverly mixes these truths with a few typical mind conditioning to sway your thought patterns in another direction…he is right that they give us clues for all to work out and decipher, and we have been doing so… to say that we are outnumbered and they can do more or less whatever they want is absolutely rubbish!! don’t let anyone tell you this, we are all in control of what we want out of life. Like I have said many times before don’t buy into this boxed in thought projection of being helpless and that there is an outside group of people that controls us and outnumber us massively. OLD GAME, this is the new game now... We are the change and we can change the shape of the ‘play’ in any way we want. Our collective thoughts will take us where we want to go.

The most important part of this thread is what Bill has said at the start of the original post…


And to do that, the shift in consciousness that will be required needs to extend from the very lowest to the very highest strata of society. Now that a New Year is upon us - 2011, as significant as any that we have experienced thus far - and here we all are still standing (and in the process becoming wiser, more aware, more responsible, and much better informed): I ask all of you reading this, and watching the video, to join me in a vision for Planet Earth in which every human being, no-one excluded, plays their part in creating.

viking

[Celine]

Agreed Viking....

And i believe Charles is ..in a way... supporting the change of "game".

By talking openly like this... we are given more tools to play on this field

[greybeard]

We are the Powers that be
But we have to change our mind to know that.
C

[jaybee]

just watched it....I'm not feeling comfortable about 'Charles'....the word
'Wide Boy' kept coming into my mind..which for the non-Brits means a man who wheels and deals and lives on his wits.

which 'Charles' probably wouldn't deny for a moment

I am concerned about the way he kept control and dominance verbally by stopping talking then when Bill began to speak he would interrupt and carry on with his point. He did this so many times and I could see at the end, Bill, that you tried to give more time for him so it didn't happen...then he would do it again!!

I just hope he isn't still 'on the job' that he started..do you know what I mean?


I am sincerely sorry Bill to be negative about the interview and I wasn't going to
say anything....but...

Something not right about it for me...

is he genuine, an opportunist or still an agent?

I know you must have researched him Bill....so maybe I'm being harsh ??

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I agree. I am also a cockney. I have known many like this. Hope I am wrong

[ngogly]

Thank you Bill. It was valuable information, but not in ordinary way. To be clear, this interview was total joke to me.

Why?
It contained no useful information, only new type of propaganda. This interview had no focus, subject jumped like a ball of ping-pong. We already know that whistle blower industry produces 90+% of crap, even Discovery channels are full of triangular UFO's and the most stupid can predict that food is primary resource. Every time question intended a clear answer – interview jumped to new subject.

Which propaganda?
Bill is so brilliant, that elite wasn't capable to handle it. They hired the best man, but Bill turned him from enemy to whistle blower. In Bill's shoes I'd like it a much.

There is couple of leitmotifs in this interview:
1) Though elite seems to be cruel and corrupted to us, actually they do right thing and there is no alternative to that. Very important new theme and good way to hijack resistance. It happened before with nature lovers. They were turned in to green terrorists who help to separate man and nature.
2) Elite is so all-powerful that we have no chance, the smartest thing to do is go with them.
3) They are magical 33, no identity, no clues. So stop to blame free masons, politicians, jews and so on, we have new enemy – 33.
4) Test for reaction. If successful then show have continuation, else new script will be written. Some themes for future conferences were introduced like thing from moon, space as ocean and creatures in it, 30/70 thing ...

About Charles
Men who struggles to express himself verbally can't be a elites intelligent problem solver. It can be good driver or assassin.

Without “proper blood”, education and without social skills the “special” ability to act quickly in critical situations isn't useful for any elite. Why? Because they, the members of elite, make decisions and policies and make quick decisions if needed. The workers are just expected to act accordingly. So by description and by verbal expression Charles should be good for military.

In real life
From my experiences working with people for government and international organizations:
1) Stupid or hones people can move up the ladder but always end up as upper-middle level managers. This is maximum level for people called useful idiots.
2) To become an insider no one offers money to you nor makes sinister proposals. You must be smart enough to understand what they want and please masters, then you will be promoted. Sadly it imply to be sociopath and skilful criminal. Higher positions require you to have some dark secret like pedophilia – guarantee for your loyalty.
3) To be insider in any criminal or secret/closed organization you must have a long history of proven qualities which exclude the chance to become next whistle blower.
4) Workers have no idea what insiders really think and can't whistle or fart any useful information.

In truth seekers world we must isolate two different directions. Real, sometimes boring work to identify malfunctions in our society and joyful esoteric digging.

From first side let be honest, it all goes down to jewish culture. People who truly believe being real humans. They call us animals and zionist influence in the world is their biggest secret. They were first money makers and collected wealth helped them to corrupt other areas. They are behind “goy” management religion called christianity. They were able to infiltrate lot of organizations in history and corrupt them. Europe conquered America and East is taken over by money.

Now we have zionists behind the money. Money is behind politics, media, wars, food and pharma. Of course there is lot of inner fights too, because those in top, are way from being normal humans.

It is really so simple, but they do not want us to acknowledge it. They do anything to keep this simple truth hidden. By this reason we are entertained with countless esoteric stories. Yes life exists in space, yes we may have aliens behind zionists, yes ..., yes ... But those stories are not important for our future.

Before revealing natures secrets or finding unedited version of history, we must to stop accepting aristocracy in any form (royalty, elite, ascended masters, messiah, aliens, opinion leaders, truth tellers) and do it without destroying civilization we rely on. We must to become individuals who interact with other individuals and stop to be a cattle.

Strange observation
Current planet runners, in some unknown reason to me, always say what they are planning to do, people just watch and hear but do not understand. They talk about ideas of founding fathers, economic success, better management, guided something and so on. It is all true but founding fathers were corrupt, we are part of economy as commodity, better for them and guided by them. Next time listen and do not assume that they talk from your perspective.

We are allowed to grow cows for milk and meat. We are not allowed to do this with humans. Why? Because cow has no understanding of this process. Maybe this is the answer to our problem - stop to be a cow.

[Arpheus]

I loved the interview but i don't believe that the human race is totally powerless about the whole thing like he keeps suggesting over and over again,although i do agree that for the vast majority of people out there that may be the case,but we gotta believe there is still a good chance we can win this game someway somehow,because if that isnt the case our journey and stay here on earth would bare very little fruit and i refuse to believe that's what life is all about,was a great interview Bill thanks!!

[norman]

I have some questions that I will put in the other thread but for now I just want to say this:

The general theme is that the '33' have a plan to "fix" the human race and the planet. That plan makes perfect sense to them because it's the plan that keeps them in the driving seat with all the power they are accustomed to. If Bill ever gets his 20 minutes it'll probably amount to a plan that would NOT grantee the continuation of the power and privilege of the '33'. Even if that plan was a better plan for the human race it's a near certainty that the '33' would not approve of it.

They are not negotiating with us, they are holding a gun to our heads. I really don't think they can be reasoned with. We have to get that gun out of their hand and say NO! The big dilema would be regarding what we would do as an alternative. If they still have the only plan that will keep the human race going, they get to stay in power too.

[Samurai]

i thought that was a great interview.

the thing that repeatedly came from this is something i have personally been convinced of for a long time now.
unless someone comes up with a better plan then something along the lines charles talks about HAS to be done. for us to progress much further than this point, without a better plan, then we do need to go through a cataclysmic change.
the world is sick, we all know it, the majority of the population within advanced western society are 'useless eaters' plumbed into the TV and are consuming to the benefit of the machine.

the people here are in the minority.
sadly the majority are not going to wake up, they dont even want to.

the PTB, the people with the overall picture have been through the data, have been looking at this for a very long time and have come to a conclusion that the planned or 'final solution' is the only way to solve the predicament we find ourselves in.

and this is very important - who are we to say that they are wrong, we dont have the information - yet (another point charles hinted at).
i belive there is a chance we will be given the full information, most of it is out there already, if we can see through the self perpetuating pile of bollocks that we find ourselves swimming in.
once we have that information maybe it is going to be down to us to find the solution.

it is easy to think that we can wave a magic wand and sort this out, but the population is growing at an alarming rate, an unsustainable rate with the world being run in the way it is now. a solution to the mess we are in is not an easy task at all.
we are in the structure that we find oursleves in and that is pretty rigid, yes we are ready and willing to do whatever it takes, but look around your place of work, the colleges and universities etc etc, the masses dont even see a problem.

if no alternative solution is found then i belive that something will be done, because it is a necessity, and this will result in the wheat being seperated from the chaff, because it is the right thing to do in that situation.
im not being on the side of the 'baddies' here, im just stating an opinion derived from looking at the information that is available now.

we are in the very lucky position to have been warned about this well in advance, more than enough time to ensure that we have a chance, however slim that may be, to come through a cataclysmic change. maybe we have been given this warning deliberately, maybe that is all part of the plan, we are all candidates for what lies ahead, some will make it some wont, some will waste the advanced warning and feel like right muppets, some will heed it and still not make it through. but the ones that do make it will be the ones with visions of a better world, and that world will most likely be run with free energy and all we hope for now, a possible utopia forged with the pledge to never let things get like 'that' again.

the human race is about to undergo a big change either way, because it has to.
unless a better plan is devised it will be under the PTBs rules.

i would love for us ALL to live in utopian peace as enlightened beings, in pure and clean society and environment, develop our maximum potential, but one of the problems stopping that happening on a global scale could be 'the massive population of sheeple' meets 'time left for action', can that many be roused, educated and completely transformed in the timescale we have before we are propper phucked?
and if they are not, and the PTB do nothing, will it all eventaully come crashing down around us at some point anyway and we loose everything and revert back to the stone age?

i dont know.

one thing i do know is we need all the info, we need to be given the opertunity to come up with a plan, and that can only happen with all the correct cards on the table.

but if that fails, and charles reckons we have no chance, then be thankful for a heads up, and continue making your plans for you attempt at survival or regret it later when you are tucking into the family cat or wondering which of your companions will taste the best.

in the end its all a game, when your last breath is gasped and you close your eyes, you will be opening them in the next reality and all of this will be forgotten.
in the grand scheme of things, if the soul is eternal - its all part of our journey, and if its not, then whats the point anyway...

[Limor Wolf]

what a battle of minds this interview was,and if i may say so only two British men can have this 'dual 'and appear totaly calm and comfortable on the surface.Bill has definatly put himself on a very courages trail that is only just beginning now that the video is out...
there is no more front than this,and he is doing it calmly and collectedly, a very good 'representative' for "our" side of the story.i give thanks to him...
i also thank 'charles' as well for doing this,wethere he put himself at stake or not beacuse even though he is far from being trusted to say "the whole truth, the only truth and nothing but the truth" still,we could have get to peek on the 'profile of someone who is part of or very close to the current rulers,we need to build their profile just as they doing to us.the examination should go both way...
i have a question though,and i just might didn't understand it right beacuse of language barrier or for another reason.
its been said in the interview by Bill or by 'charles' that "planet earth is broken" and they are responsible to fix it... isnt it more accurate to say that this planet earth is broken mainly beacuse of them? this Agenda that goes for thousands of years has produced famine;hunger,war,mind control,killing of men,women and babies,the destruction of the planet,death,murder,destruction of living species,vaccines,experiments,changes and damages to name but a few,and thats the outcome of their thousand of years in control...are those the best results they could achieve??
and we are to pay for it...interesting that 'charles' with his logic is supporting this without even blinking..
i would also say its a little naive to think that they might divert from their way of doing things as if they did not think about the other option.
i wrote to Bill privetly and said that personally i would have no interest or care (and i probably dont stand a chance anyway,thank goodness) to be between the strongest,smartest,fittest...(if indeed that what the survivors will be..they might turn out to be a group of very broken souls) i think that we,human beings come in all sorts of variations and abilities,and its best that we all advance together.each in our own step.

in conclusion a very interesting interview.Bill put himself out there for all of us and thats a gamble that i hope will be paid off.some important reflections,nothing that we didnt hear before,oh,but is it all true?

a brain storming is needed here and i am interested in the point of view of every and each one of the forum members.it is a pleasure for me to be in this company together with all of you.

[Ahkenaten]

Thanks Bill for posting this and a HAPPY NEW YR to you & yours! Ahk

[norman]

a brain storming is needed here and i am interested in the point of view of every and each one of the forum members.it is a pleasure for me to be in this company together with all of you.



I agree about the required brainstorming and I suggest that we first extricate ourselves from the projection of the one-sided ultimatum from the 'rulers' first. If we see everything in the same way as them we'll likely come to the same conclusions as them too.

[elysian]

Thank you Bill!
Very well done interview. One could really feel the tension during these two hours. Bill, on your body language it look like you felt you were out in deep waters but you swam well I thought. It did really feel like you two were playing chess. Charles definitely gave me an impression of having some agenda with what he was saying, And I also found it interesting that he was so into calling certain things complete rubbish without as he says any scientific interest or descriptions of why. I would like to hear more background on those claims. Always nice to hear things from a new perspective however. Thank you once again Bill and keep up the good work!!

[TraineeHuman]

Regarding the point that The 33 laugh about people at alternative sites being preoccupied with spirituality, -- even with practical spirituality (the truest and highest kind, in my view).

As Greybeard and Zookumar and Agape and Viking and others have already pointed out, spiritual and metaphysical issues are a hugely important part of the ultimate big picture. The 33 can laugh justifiably about people getting their priorities wrong by emphasizing things like “ascension” etc. OK, point taken. But it seems to me that The 33 have underestimated the power true spirituality and true awareness really do have to transform any situation, any problem.

Although “Charles” claims to be a cynical realist, surely his true, perhaps partly subconscious, motive for giving such a long interview comes from a strong moral and spiritual sense somewhere inside him? Why else would he do such a thing? And I can’t see how the practice of not watching TV, which “Charles” advocates so strongly, could be called anything other than a “spiritual” one. OK, you might call it “psychological” instead, but the kinds of psychological theories it fits with are the ones that emphasize awareness and have close similarities to practices from mystical traditions. I wonder why "Charles" has chosen to spend months chatting with Bill. I suspect it's because Bill has brought out major sides of "Charles" that the latter didn't realise he had inside him.

And to continue from Bluegate’s comment, even if it turns out that the population does get “culled” in the kind of way “Charles” describes, wouldn’t that be one way of making sense of “ascension”? If the number of available bodies will be more limited in the future, then only those who are sufficiently aware will be reborn into mankind2.0 (or should that really be something like ”mankind4.0”?)

I also totally agree with Viking that “Charles” is that rare bird known as a “charismatic” personality. Such people can sell anything to anybody anytime – even though I’m sure “Charles” was doing his very best to tell the truth as he personally sees it.

[bilko]

I have some questions that I will put in the other thread but for now I just want to say this:

The general theme is that the '33' have a plan to "fix" the human race and the planet. That plan makes perfect sense to them because it's the plan that keeps them in the driving seat with all the power they are accustomed to. If Bill ever gets his 20 minutes it'll probably amount to a plan that would NOT grantee the continuation of the power and privilege of the '33'. Even if that plan was a better plan for the human race it's a near certainty that the '33' would not approve of it.

They are not negotiating with us, they are holding a gun to our heads. I really don't think they can be reasoned with. We have to get that gun out of their hand and say NO! The big dilema would be regarding what we would do as an alternative. If they still have the only plan that will keep the human race going, they get to stay in power too.

Yes exactly Norman, and thank you.
Yes we are over populated by several billion when living off direct sunlight and eating non GM foods but i believe that if the technology and information is shared we could find an answer to our problems.
He was trying to plant a seed which is one of the reasons he was so evasive and asking Bill to say what he thinks instead.
The response he gave to the question of mass murder was at best questionable.

[lightblue]

I also totally agree with Viking that “Charles” is that rare bird known as a “charismatic” personality. Such people can sell anything to anybody anytime – even though I’m sure “Charles” was doing his very best to tell the truth as he personally sees it

"charles" strikes me as someone knowing quite a bit by accident/association, seeing little...plus and as he puts it: he does not care and there's no right and/or wrong (!!!)..it then follows that in essence, besides being an operative, he's a post person communicationg the latest edition of the plan....let's remember, a few months back there was another one convaying a message of an inevitable nuclear and biological strike - claimed he was well informed just like this geezer from hackney..

the future is not known and the 33 cannot bare it, whoever they are...:yu: l

edit to add:

p.s. if he was raised in hackney, he's a likely east ham (football) supporter...you haven't seen a real life ET, until you've seen those...it's something else...

.

[bluegate]

Just watched the interview and here are my two cents.

1) What ngogly says makes many points that I'd agree with w.r.t. the 'impressiveness' or lack-thereof of this so-called whistle-blower

2) The things that were 'hinted at' but not fully explained/divulged/discussed at points were the topics that 'might' have been of real interest to hear what 'Charles' had to comment on... But the material that WAS covered in an overly long, and sadly under-edited piece (too full of repetition and waffle that halted progress, direction and clarity) was hardly new, startling or revelatory!

3) Examples of missed opportunities (although perhaps deliberate to allow for 'selling us' a subsequent interview!) such as the reference the the whole 'alien disclosure' issue and the type of 'reports so far coming out 'not being what you think' should have been followed up -- and hearing what the guy had to say about his claim to 'know a lot' about the adulteration of food and water -- far more relevant than some of the circular 'mutual pussy-footing' waffly parts -- were skipped over due lack of time, yet would have been far more interesting to hear if he really had anything 'new' to contribute...

Some general additional carping:

On the whole I was unimpressed that the 'informant' clearly stated that he was 'not' a true insider but had been employed to do some apparently 'clandestine' ops for them... yet later constantly referred to 'we' when asked about what the 'elite' were 'planning'. Yet he was supposedly 'kicking them in the nuts'...

I accept that Bill had supposedly spent many hours talking with the guy, during the planning and research stage of the interview... and has since no doubt satisfied himself of his veracity or he would not have published this interview... but it was frequently the case that the points that were being made were thrown back to Bill to articulate the issue and then the interviewee either gave some vague or relatively limited comment in response rather than volunteering any really unique information himself. (A typical manipulative process)

I would not be confident, that if this person is genuinely what he claims to be, and a person who genuinely represents 'the elite' by proxy -- that he is NOT in fact carrying through his task of aiming to undermine and discredit Bill Ryan -- BUT not by getting Bill to endorse some 'dramatic' but ultimately embarrassingly false claims... rather simply by getting him to 'build up' (over several months) material that actually offered so little in the way of 'real value'.

Let's hear a much more concise, to-the-point second interview that actually deals with some of the more critical and revelatory material... Only by providing a sequel that far outstrips the first for 'radical and risky' info will some faith be restored in the value of this 'witness'!

And as to claims that 'whilst he (Charles) is alive' Bill will be safe from other 'interventions' -- well if everything else he claims is even vaguely to be believed -- the this promise cannot be expected to hold much water -- and if anything could be another straw-on-the-camels back of Bill's credibility -- in which case... job done, Charles! I guess?

To be fair -- Bill comes across as always as genuine and real, and tries his best in his 'overly cautious and frequently long-winded' way -- but sadly as was intimated in the interview this does make him most vulnerable 'type' to being easily manipulated...

At least nothing in this interview can REALLY upset anyone as we surely knew it all anyway!... And as the guy says -- if it raises any hackles that he has 'revealed too much' they'll simply move to plan 'b' -- or c or d or e.....

Sorry Bill. A for effort -- but D for content on this one!

[MiguelQ]

OMG i know the FOOd company hes talking about :\ Nothing new to me.. actually i new it all the time.

The see the space as an ocean is creepy

[bilko]

I think it is important to remember that Charles is on the fringes of this plan and the so called 33. I have no doubt that he is a 'problem solver' with very special talents in 'that' field but in his own words, "if it doesn't effect him then he is not interested in it". Sometimes i think it would be easier for us to work backwards with the situation we are in in general. What is the motivation? It must be more than power surely? Without the validation that what you are doing is right i don't believe so many hundreds of years worth of 'bloodline' would be satisfied, not deep down. Not unless power in the sense that i am reading it is the correct motivation. Power to a different end maybe, yes. If i were an unfeeling race that could use the human race for something else. I keep thinking about James from Wingmakers here. His is the only story that makes any sense to me, that sits right in both my heart and mind.
Resentment and loathing, that is what appears to be their motivation to me and that is why James's story makes sense.

[zeca61]

Bill
Your time and efforts to produce and share this interview with all of us is much appreciated!

A big thanks again! :-)

[Tuza]

I would like David Icke to view this video and give us his thoughts. As David has always stated there are more of us than them and that's right, but I also think they have a hell of a lot of protection and are hard to get to but not impossible if we have smart people on our side. Yes I think we all agree that the earth is over populated but in saying that who has the right to turn around and say right I am going to leave all you to starve to death while I sit in my comfortable abode.

I wouldn't feel right about surviving knowing billions were slowly dying. We need some spiritual geniuses to help find these little cabels and take them out but that's just mho, time for the tables to be turned for once in eons.

As far as Charlie is concerned the only reason I believe he could be coming out with anything now is because of the fact that he hasn't got much time left. I am interested in this machine which has caused this health problem for him. Anyone that all of a sudden is faced with mortality is going to do a 180 of sorts, but you need to think some more Charlie, because I think your bitter in a way and don't really care how many die as you said.

You need to think some more or maybe surround yourself with good people.

[Scott]

If this planet is overpopulated, OK lets say for the moment it is.
Walk outside and look up, then think about the comments Charles made about the technology that is 100s of years in advance of what most are aware of.
Think of the Universe as an ocean was another quote from Charles.
A picture should be forming about now that easily solves any overpopulation here, think about it !

Oh wait, that would mean Lots of humans in space with the rest of the adults out there, never-mind, forget I said anything ;p

Scott/Aztar

[MiguelQ]

that is creepy ? is ther giants othere eating US !? is that why nasa dont want to ... let us now, that reallity which is BAD NEWS!? IS there good aliens to protect us, what about those higher dimensional beings, and stuff? the creators..?

IS there another surface beyoind the "space" ocean sea surface, with giant beings? ehhe

[Samurai]

If this planet is overpopulated, OK lets say for the moment it is.
Walk outside and look up, then think about the comments Charles made about the technology that is 100s of years in advance of what most are aware of.
Think of the Universe as an ocean was another quote from Charles.
A picture should be forming about now that easily solves any overpopulation here, think about it !

Scott/Aztar

The world is over populated for the structure that we presently find ourselves in (AS FAR AS IM AWARE), and how long before the population doubles? 100 years? less? 50 years?

are we ready to pack billions of people into spacecraft and send them to other planets? which ones? and which people? can you name 10 people that you know who could undertake such an event? i cant, and even if this was a possibility surely dumping millions or billions of people on a planet (assuming they could get them there in such numbers) and letting them fend for themselves would be a death sentance.


they are more likely to wipe out billions imho.

[Scott]

The world is over populated for the structure that we presently find ourselves in (AS FAR AS IM AWARE), and how long before the population doubles? 100 years? less? 50 years?

are we ready to pack billions of people into spacecraft and send them to other planets? which ones? and which people? can you name 10 people that you know who could undertake such an event? i cant, and even if this was a possibility surely dumping millions or billions of people on a planet (assuming they could get them there in such numbers) and letting them fend for themselves would be a death sentance.


they are more likely to wipe out billions imho.

These events will happen (Humans in Space) there is no getting over that. Its part of planetary evolution, provided no ELE interrupts the process.
That is not the point, the point is that its bad enough you keep a gun in the same room as a child but even worse if you allow them to play with it.

Ya ya I am in a cynical mood today, i know;p

Scott/Aztar

[bilko]

The world is over populated for the structure that we presently find ourselves in (AS FAR AS IM AWARE), and how long before the population doubles? 100 years? less? 50 years?

are we ready to pack billions of people into spacecraft and send them to other planets? which ones? and which people? can you name 10 people that you know who could undertake such an event? i cant, and even if this was a possibility surely dumping millions or billions of people on a planet (assuming they could get them there in such numbers) and letting them fend for themselves would be a death sentance.


they are more likely to wipe out billions imho.
Hi Samurai
I think it was sir David Attenborough that said we would run out of clean drinking ( read non saline ) water before we ran out of fossil fuels. We are a sealed unit so once it is gone there is no more. Living off direct sunlight as opposed to ancient sunlight ( fossil fuels ) the planet can sustain the food needs of half a billion people.

Reiterating what i have said in a previous post i think that living from the heart or traveling in that direction would solve a lot of problems especially when repopulating another planet. I notice Charles was quick to stop the conversation of there being a jump room to mars. Chances are that a society and infrastructure is there already to receive us but under what kind of regime i shudder to think.

[Ahkenaten]

My initial reactions are that part of "Charles'" assignment is to insert a warning into this segment of the alternative media that TPTB - specifically the oil/chemical conglomerates, are prepared to do battle (i.e. sue) any who dare name them in public as enemies, especially in relation to the big picture issues, i.e. population control/reduction and eugenics. "Charles" is the classical macho alpha male who regardless of education and upbringing, his drive to dominate and prevail has made him not only useful to TPTB, but vulnerable to manipulation. If nothing else, if there is any credibility to any of this I would take it that, as I have suspected, the alternative media has become problematic to TPTB and now they are coming out in the open to show that they are directing resources to track, monitor, twist, with the goal of playing the usual divide and conquer games, neutralizing our effectiveness, and eliminating any threat we may pose. The core message seemed to be that (regardless of Charles' ostensible desire to help level the playing field) these powerful people are SO powerful, their sphere of influence SO penetrating and absolute, that we should give up any idea we may have of opposing them. It would appear that intrinsic to the culling the herd, is the creation of a docile population that will perform the tasks that TPTB desire, in the manner desired - I noticed that he did say "NON COMBATIVE" individuals who decided to go off and set up an organic farm somewhere off center might survive. Shortly thereafter he did say that "we" (meaning the masses of humanity presumably) "don't live like that anymore".........in other words the masses have become so urbanized and unable to survive on their own that the remnant that did drift off the target to set up subsistence-level farms wouldn't really pose any threat to TPTB or their plans. In conclusion I feel that "Charles" was doing his job by delivering a threat and basically negative message to the resistance.....................I am not sure I believe his story about having an illness, or that he was acting outside the chain of command because EVERYONE has family or someone who they wish to protect, and his identity would be easily obtainable by anyone seriously desirous of it if he were venturing into ANY forbidden area. In short, I believe Charles was taking NO risks in being interviewed, he was doing his job.

His ego is such that HE MUST assert dominance over Bill at every juncture (revealed by talking over and interrupting continuously) - I do not trust "Charles" and with the exception about the comment about bringing something back from the moon meaning an object left there by ETs, as per Arthur C. Clarke's Space Odyssey presumably, I heard nothing new here. What is NEW is the threats being made against US openly.................i.e. do NOT attack the big corporations (esp. the petrochemical concerns) because we WILL retaliate........we WILL shut down your websites and cut off your income streams. That is a direct threat not only against Bill but against every member of Avalon Forum. Moreover Charles said, fine - go off and set up an organic farm, that poses no threat to what we intend to do. Basically he was saying - they will do what they will do, and sit there watching it roll out, smoking their ridiculous cigars and sipping brandy by the fire and having a good chuckle at our pain, suffering, and torment. This is a reminder that these people and the people who work for them are sociopaths by definition. OK, fine - have pity on them perhaps, but trust them......NEVER.

[OneLittleFrog]

Disclaimer: Maybe I shouldn't comment until I see the whole thing. I've only watched the 1st hour, and that's all I can stomach for now.

Right at the outset Charles says "I'm quite devious....it's part of my character." And he's clearly proud of it. I'll bet he's reading these comments right now, thrilled as all hell at his sudden notoriety. What a trip! STS all the way, baby.

Charles says these 33 bloodline masters regard us as ENTERTAINMENT. Of course they've written the best storylines for us -- bloody wars, shattered children, manufactured diseases and plagues, the relentless suffering and anguish of our planet's history. Pass the popcorn, guys! So now, let's have a lottery of sorts to see which 'useless eaters' we get to watch die, slowly and painfully - mostly infants in undeveloped countries, no doubt. And does anyone sense that Charles objects to his masters' plans? Kill thousands of helpless infants to save the 'important' folks, whasamatta with that, huh?

Go ahead and listen to this self-aggrandizing little weasel -- THEN, pull up some of Bill's other interviews: Credo Mutwa. Marcell Messing. Klaus Dona. Jim Humble. Credo and Marcell tell us the same things as Charles about the horrendous controllers that abuse us -- but you can hear the devastating pain in their hearts, as well as the love. Charles? Yeah right.

So, what has me absolutely BEWILDERED is this: Bill Ryan - a person I hold in the very highest esteem - calls this little creature his FRIEND? Yes, he does, at the very beginning of the interview. I simply can't wrap my mind around that.

It's only because of my huge respect for Bill that I'll take a deep breath, chug an Alka-Seltzer, and listen to the rest of this.

[norman]

It occures to me that one thing we CAN do if they mess us about with less than honest disclosure is to agree a shortlist of issues to form into 'firm' predictions. As Charles said, if we predict events they will cancel them to kill off our credibility.

As credibility means far more to them than it does to us ( well, me at anyrate ) we can draw up a list of things we don't want them to progress with easily and "predict" them all over the internet.

[Billiam]

I think we have to tread very carefully here... I have a few concerns.... I think my main concern is that Charles is being used to redivert us.... He could well be telling us the truth 95 percent of the time and that would make it incredibly hard for us to spot the lie ... Also, some of what he describes in the interview could be interpreted as mind control such as his sudden ability to play golf and how he forgets how to do some things and is now able to do other things.... There are extremely devious forces at work here and I am sure Bill is aware of this- we have to take only the solid facts and assess each one individually.....

[MiguelQ]

Thats thing about the golf and he.. is weird guy, but im sure he knows he is right.
OK , but maybe that golf talk is like a tactic to make him more powerful, and higher his EGOOO... BUt i like to hear him talking... dont know if truth or not, but in the end he is someone looking to succeed, i think thats every guys dream. Maybe he will have more to say in the future.. and if we are doomed.. well enjoy your ride here on earth... next station can be better.

[lightseeker]

Thank you Bill, for this interview. I listened carefully to what Charles said on the issues discussed and will view your interview again. There is a lot of information to digest and a lot of questions to be answered. Would i be alone is saying that I am confused about the so called "grand picture" that Charles presents based on your questions. There is a great deal that wasn't said by him.
Lightseeker

[Loren]

Thank you Bill . It must be difficult to contain your self from exploding with questions and being careful not to offend Charles...Awesome job. I look forward to hearing more from you and Charles. Happy New Year, even though time is irrelevant ! Loren

[bilko]

Thank you Bill, for this interview. I listened carefully to what Charles said on the issues discussed and will view your interview again. There is a lot of information to digest and a lot of questions to be answered. Would i be alone is saying that I am confused about the so called "grand picture" that Charles presents based on your questions. There is a great deal that wasn't said by him.
Lightseeker
Hi Lightseeker
Not in any way trying to answer for Bill here but what you said intrigued me and i would like to respond. I hope that is acceptable.
My take on the this is that 2 things happened as Bill says.
A man representing the top was ordered to speak to us.
He disclosed information about population culling.
Anything about thinking machines, the moon, golf, rivers, having powers etcetera etcetera is nothing more than conjecture and padding.
Bill discerned the vital components of the interview for us from the get go.
Can we think of a better way to save mankind from itself?

[KosmicKat]

J...
2) The things that were 'hinted at' but not fully explained/divulged/discussed at points were the topics that 'might' have been of real interest to hear what 'Charles' had to comment on...

Seconded. I hope we will hear more on these subjects.

[jcocks]

I'm not going to say much on this subject yet as I have not even started listening to the interview (Still trying to get through Kerry's 4-hour new-years' special), but I still laugh every time I hear you guys or TPTW talking about overpopulation. You see, that's only looking at the issue from a single standpoint (or one dimension - the 3rd dimension).... Physically we may be overpopulated, but, looking at it from a higher standpoint, all these people wouldn't be here for no reason would they? Lady Gaia wouldn't allow so many billions of souls on her if there wasn't a higher purpose for them to be here, would she?

We've *GOT* to stop thinking in the negative all the time... And start looking at problems from more than one direction, otherwise TPTW may as well have already won. My gut feeling about this year is that there are things that are going to happen that CANNOT and WILL NOT be predicted. It is those things that will have the most positive impact for us simply because TPTW have not and can not plan for them or against them. I hope I am right, for every soul on this planet's sake...

Joel

[jeannacav]

Thank you, Bill.

This is an excellent interview.
I appreciate the questions you asked and the way you continued to sum up his explanations until he agreed that you got it right.

I do not think it is important that he said little that was new.
To me, what is important is that I have a better understanding of how they think they look at these things they are doing.

I am not sure I think they are doing what they think they are ... or perhaps Charles missed an attitude somewhere along the way.
I am not sure if Charles is stuck thinking corporate methods of money/power is the key here, or if THEY do.
According to Charles this is how they see things, I am not ready to think that is entirely true.
It seems way too limited, somehow.

Now,
This idea that most of the ET ships we will see in the skies are earth based or allied with earth based powers is something I have been realizing, and it does make the most sense.

I cannot imagine that earth will be permitted to explore as the conquistadores did since we would surely behave in the same dreadful and childish ways.
We are indeed bad neighbors, and we will be kept behind a fence until we grow up.

@all,

This summer, I had a realization that every myth, legend, story, history, fairy tale, etc we have ever had here, was put here to enslave us.
There are no exceptions.

Once this had sunk through a bit, I could no longer see from inside the paradigm of anything earth based.
I could only see events or current stories from WAY back as if I were on a distant planet viewing this whole scene.
(It looks very different from where I see it, bye the way.)

What became clear to me in this interview, was that these 33 are being enslaved by others more powerful in the very way Charles describes in this video.
They have learned this from their own enslavers.
The 33 are pawns and there are beings who laugh at them just as they are laughing at "us".

They have created this population that they hate and want to destroy.
The population is not to blame for this... they are.
I see it as a very big self hate of these 33, projected out to the 7B on the earth.
The cigars and the raucous laughter comes from the insecure and the bullies.

Back to Bill's opening statements.
Wow, Bill.
You gave them the courtesy of a well thought out suggestion for a win-win solution where they are not embarrassed and yet the planet thrives. All 7B of the inhabitants thrive.

Great interview.
Thanks so much,

jeanna

[ExHaLaTiON]

Thank you Bill. I digested alot of information.

[jackovesk]

Thanks for this excellent interview Bill, it was greatly appreciated.

I believe Charles is genuine and has a very powerful pysche and a force not to be messed with.

One thing that stood out for me was watching Bill's Body Language, if some of you who feel that Charles is not genuine? I challenge you to watch Bill's body language throughout the interview again.

We actually saw Bill's face redden with Fear and saw the chills go down his spine when mitrering his way through this tricky interview and constantly having to check his opinion letting Charles furnish us with how the PTB operate.

Remember how this interview came about people...

Well done Bill...

Many have said there wasn't much genuine information drawn out from Charles during the interview. I beg to differ, there was no speculation only knowledge coming from an insider.

So what was in the Interview? What were some of the things we learnt?

We learnt...


In the eye's of the PTB there is no concept of time.
The PTB Love and Laugh at over 70% of the alternative media.
How the prison system is used by the PTB to keep their secrets and carry out their agenda.
There is a Base on Mars.
The difference between the Real PTB and other less powerful factions.
There will be Food Wars.
How the PTB use those with distinct, strong & psychopathic minds to do their dirty work.
Underground Bases are vast and many throughout the world and how they are kept secret.
We learnt that the objects/ufo's surrounding the 'Nasa Tether' were real and were actually Biological in nature.
We learnt that Roswell did happen and the craft were brought down on purpose not by an electrical storm.
There will be no Nuclear War.
The patience and the ability of the PTB to identify and foster those like Charles to help with their Agenda.
How the PTB listen to those who fumble onto and predict true Future Events and place a timeline/date on them.
There will be a Sun event, but no real pole shift.
There will be an abnomally that will upset electronic devices throughout the world.
Yes, there is a 'Project Blue Beam' type event planned in the future but with no timeline.
The Black Traiangular Craft are ours and can modulise together to form huge ships, which will be the one's used in the False Flag event.


These are just a few examples that Charles shared with us throughout Bill's interview.

Sure some may say we did'nt learn anything new, however most of this information has come from actual insider knowledge not from speculation and opinion from outsiders!

The only real dis-info I could pick up from Charles was that "GMO Food is a Good Thing" and helps produce more food. I really don't think Charles had a real handle on this subject and/or he was pushing the PTB agenda on this subject.

For me I can't wait for the next Charles interview...

Congratulations again Bill, I only hope the next interview with Charles is sooner rather than later. And you have documented all the 'Off the Record' information gleened from Charles and placed this in safe place 'Off Site' and amongst trusted colleagues as an Insurance Policy.

[kinsuemei2]

Interesting.

Ok I have a question for Bill if I may, I know this guy has been setup to look undesirable to many and I also know many in the our small group won’t like much of what they hear, but I am sure you have asked this question yourself, but is it possible that this man has been compartmentalized?

I ask because I look at his back ground, and I can’t help as I am sure many would and have by thinking ok Borstal, Football hooligan and whilst he did not see himself as a gangster he knows a lot about the human condition, and comes off as a confidence man, and of course knowing a little about gangsters that’s usually where they learn body language.

I don't think Bill was scared, but only Bill can answer that, but intimidation is what guys like this are masters of, and I do know some guys in the UK that were this type of chameleon, guys like Tony Ta**er, or Kenny Broad who was actually dubbed the Chameleon by the local met,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-533775/Conman-dubbed-chameleon-swindles-victims-millions-fund-playboy-lifestyle.html

Guys that can think fast on their feet and know there targets, but before I get attacked, I am not saying Charles is lying about anything I am simply pointing out his character and how it comes across.

Now don’t get me wrong I think this is a very dangerous man, and he seems to think that’s a generalization but considering what his initial job was to remove you Bill, then yes he is or was, or is dangerous, anybody that removes problems is dangerous. I think we have to read between the lines here.

All I say to Bill on a personal note is remember you're experience in your room that day, just keep your eyes open brother and remember the scorpion and the fox.

[fifi]

I haven't watched the video yet, and will wait for the transcript. One thing I want to say is that Bill Ryan is a very courageous man, and I will forever be grateful to him and Kerry who have awaken me to these truths. Before I accidentally knew about project Camelot & project Avalon, I didn't know anything about New World Order, the Power That Be, Illuminati, MSM being controlled, etc. In short, a few years ago, I was one of the sheeples, believing the official story of 9/11, getting the news from MSM, etc. Thank you, Bill, for risking your life trying to bring out the truth to the public.

[Teakai]

My first thoughts on this guy were screaming BS and my instincts are usually correct, however i do feel there is an ulterior motive at play here which could very well be a set up job. There are a few points i could go into which point me towards calling this guy a hoax, i will come back to this thread when i have more time but for me this interview seems pretty pointless with no verifiable content.
Maybe i'm being a bit grumpy having spent 2 hours listening to this guy ramble.

I'm sort of with you, redeyeblue. Maybe not a hoax exactly, but like Charles said himself a few times - what he divulged was nothing we didn't already know.

I was beginning to wonder what the point of it all was.

He was fed stuff that he passed on - it sounded very much like he didn't even know about the Georgia Guidestones - or the mars bases. And then tried to pass off earthcraft being passed off as alien craft as 'news'.
Puhleeeze.
:lol:

Charles gave his word to do a job - and he was doing it.

OK - That all may sound somewhat ungrateful to Bill - I'm not ungrateful, Bill, I really, truly do appreciate the work you do - but my honest gut feeling on this was that it was all to underrate the reality and to try and keep it all in the realms of 'normal'.

Am curious why you didn't ask more about the 'bloodlines' that have all the money and knowledge and why you didn't let him explain why he referred to those blood lines as being 'monsters'.

Edit to add - having had a ponder I have to say - well handled, Bill. Awkward situation to be in.
Hope the perks even it all out. :)

[bluestflame]

maybe he's first contact so to speak and the 33 seem now to be considering the option of changing tac and formulating another means of "education"

ie another selected individual or "front man" will be introduced to Bill to evolve the potential

¤=[Post Update]=¤

they would find it most beneficial to all concerned to interact more directly with creative minds able to think outside the box , though means they will need to be a little more forth coming

"ask a good question: get a good answer"

[Teakai]

hamburgers on legs),

Oh yes, that's right. That was an interesting sort of comment for Charles to make - makes humans sound rather like meals on wheels.

[Scott]

Thanks for this excellent interview Bill, it was greatly appreciated.

I believe Charles is genuine and has a very powerful pysche and a force not to be messed with.

One thing that stood out for me was watching Bill's Body Language, if some of you who feel that Charles is not genuine? I challenge you to watch Bill's body language throughout the interview again.

We actually saw Bill's face redden with Fear and saw the chills go down his spine when mitrering his way through this tricky interview and constantly having to check his opinion letting Charles furnish us with how the PTB operate.

Remember how this interview came about people...

Well done Bill...

Many have said there wasn't much genuine information drawn out from Charles during the interview. I beg to differ, there was no speculation only knowledge coming from an insider.

So what was in the Interview? What were some of the things we learnt?

We learnt...


In the eye's of the PTB there is no concept of time.
The PTB Love and Laugh at over 70% of the alternative media.
How the prison system is used by the PTB to keep their secrets and carry out their agenda.
There is a Base on Mars.
The difference between the Real PTB and other less powerful factions.
There will be Food Wars.
How the PTB use those with distinct, strong & psychopathic minds to do their dirty work.
Underground Bases are vast and many throughout the world and how they are kept secret.
We learnt that the objects/ufo's surrounding the 'Nasa Tether' were real and were actually Biological in nature.
We learnt that Roswell did happen and the craft were brought down on purpose not by an electrical storm.
There will be no Nuclear War.
The patience and the ability of the PTB to identify and foster those like Charles to help with their Agenda.
How the PTB listen to those who fumble onto and predict true Future Events and place a timeline/date on them.
There will be a Sun event, but no real pole shift.
There will be an abnomally that will upset electronic devices throughout the world.
Yes, there is a 'Project Blue Beam' type event planned in the future but with no timeline.
The Black Traiangular Craft are ours and can modulise together to form huge ships, which will be the one's used in the False Flag event.


These are just a few examples that Charles shared with us throughout Bill's interview.

Sure some may say we did'nt learn anything new, however most of this information has come from actual insider knowledge not from speculation and opinion from outsiders!

The only real dis-info I could pick up from Charles was that "GMO Food is a Good Thing" and helps produce more food. I really don't think Charles had a real handle on this subject and/or he was pushing the PTB agenda on this subject.

For me I can't wait for the next Charles interview...

Congratulations again Bill, I only hope the next interview with Charles is sooner rather than later. And you have documented all the 'Off the Record' information gleened from Charles and placed this in safe place 'Off Site' and amongst trusted colleagues as an Insurance Policy.

This is a very good bullet point overview, great in fact.

When Charles spoke about the GMO being a good thing he wasn't saying it from his view point, he was talking about how the farmers have been programmed/trained/forced to think of it as a good thing same as the general public has.
He was explaining a tactic and how it was used to manipulate opinion and how the end result of that tactic leads to more control over the mass's.

[3optic]

Originally Posted by zookumar
hamburgers on legs),Oh yes, that's right. That was an interesting sort of comment for Charles to make - makes humans sound rather like meals on wheels.

Cormac McCarthy's The Road flashed in my mind. I'm guessing this is what he meant. Happy New Year..er..

[Teakai]

Cormac McCarthy's The Road flashed in my mind. I'm guessing this is what he meant. Happy New Year..er..

I only read the first few chapters of that book, 3optic - what did it remind you of? Was it carting all our worldly possessions around in a shopping trolley?

Or am I going to have to read the book?
:)

[Burke]

Information is great and I am constantly trying to "take it all in". Yet I consider "perspectives" invaluable so you have my deepest gratitude. I do not envy your position Bill and my thoughts and hopes are with you. I learned a great deal from this interview. When I look around at Avalon and choice intellectual hot spots, I tend to think that these controllers are psychopathic. Yet when I look everywhere else I am reminded of Jerry Springer which makes me tend to side with these psychopaths in hopeless views of what we have become. I fully relate with Bob Dean when he says he has a love hate relationship with the human race.

As an American, all those years of Monty Python and other delicious shows from the British culture primed me so I had no problems at all with the dialect. I actually am quite fond of it and spent much time trying to emulate it in my youth.

"And now for something completely different."

I question whether we have ever been given a fair chance due to how much and how often we have been messed with, especially in the last century when I feel things began to come into focus as a species. I wonder how much different this place would be if all of the information in the database at global headquarters had been maintained as common knowledge from day one.

I kinda feel like a deer in the forest, finally just aware enough to realize I am staring down the barrel of a hunter's shotgun as he is about to pull the trigger. Then learning at the last moment that another gun had been hidden in the forest all along which in turn makes this encounter fair instead of predatory.

[lightblue]

.
because he is raised in hackney, i am guessing charles must be one of the east ham (soccer) supporters...if you saw one, you'd know there's different speceis among us... l
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[Mutchie]

Many countrys in the world are determined to go to the moon now we all know there is stuff up there im a member of the living moon site and it would seem there may be citys and nuclear reactors and mining strips thought to be for helium3 also there is an abundance of glass domes and bridges and roads so its not hard to imagine a technology may exist there which would be benificial to us ! I felt bill was trying his BEST but Charles was being very VAGUE and he was throwing a lot of the questions back at bill...back to the moon though my question about it is WHO is up there is it a civilisation who are still there ? or was it built by humans from here in our past ? our moon is a TRUE ENIGMA and i honestly believe it is NOT a natural sattelite because tests done indicate that it is HOLLOW also it is PROVEN to be a lot older than planet earth anyway back to the topic - charles sounds GANSTERISH to me anyone else think that ?

[Anna]

Ha Bill,

Thank you very much for what you do and who you are becoming in sharing this information.
The whole interview came in with the force of a locomotive and I am digesting it slowly.
I love you and Kerry for waking me up although it proved to be a pretty lonely ride which came as a surprise.
It makes me wonder why, of all the people in my life, I am the only one who it has happened to.
Maybe it will become more clear this new year.
Please accept my regards and for Charles too because enlightening people proves to be a dire job.
I wish you a safe and delightful new year,
zoen van Anna

[serene]

'Charles' does remind me of the Ray Winstone character in Edge of Darkness. 'Diamond Geezers' anyone?

[Mutchie]

'Charles' does remind me of the Ray Winstone character in Edge of Darkness. 'Diamond Geezers' anyone?

I felt like Charles came across as an enforcer type of charachter but not just in the physical sense his aim to begin with seems to have been to discredit Bill . Maybe his role changes depending on the charachter who he is assigned to work on and what they deem would be the best solution for them in the long run - I WISH Bill had PUSHED him for more info on the Technology on the moon he said that until they got that THING into a capsule and BROUGHT IT BACK he wouldnt be jumping on the band wagon ????

Does anyone on this forum have ANY IDEA what technology he referring to ?

[jaybee]

I felt like Charles came across as an enforcer type of charachter but not just in the physical sense his aim to begin with seems to have been to discredit Bill . Maybe his role changes depending on the charachter who he is assigned to work on and what they deem would be the best solution for them in the long run - I WISH Bill had PUSHED him for more info on the Technology on the moon he said that until they got that THING into a capsule and BROUGHT IT BACK he wouldnt be jumping on the band wagon ????

Does anyone on this forum have ANY IDEA what technology he referring to ?

gawd knows...I don't suppose Charlie knew himself and would have just wriggled out of it if pressed

[kevlor]

brilliant interview bill.

i have read all 96 replies to this tread. a niggle in my head, immediately associated "the 33" with the old royal families. blood lines, the real money, and so, power. am i wrong? is my intuition playing tricks with me? (no other basis for this guess)

nobody has yet mentioned who, this "33" might be. ... kev

[Lita]

Fantastic interview Bill, I do hope Charles agrees to another 1.. could have watched at least another 2 hours.

Like the idea of a vision, something we could all put our focus on.

with gratitude
Lita

[Burke]

brilliant interview bill.

nobody has yet mentioned who, this "33" might be. ... kev

I honestly do not know of course.

The very first thing I thought of when trying to guess at who the 33 could be and have I ever heard of them before was something that appeared on GLP in Sept of 2005

Revelations of an Elite Family (http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005) - Does not link to GLP but to scribd.com which has it displayed in a search-able easy to read book format.



Excerpt from Introduction

Anyone who understands dialectics knows that the answers Insider gave were designed to force/provoke others to ask questions which went to the core of the matter. First some questions are being asked by Insider like "Are you really living on the planet you think you are?" which made people react differently than before.

The answers this person started giving to those following questions showed a deep, broad understanding of philosophy, history, metaphysics, religion, magic, politics, and more in a way which is very innovative, detailed and some answers are thought provoking to say the least.

What amazes is that Insider answered these questions in a very short time span and if you keep in mind that the topics are diverse, some in depth and some epic answers showed up literally minutes apart, one must wonder how it was done. Copy/paste from internet? I checked intensively and the sentences Insider used cannot be found on internet. Like one person observed, this was way over the heads of the usual suspects.


No clue if this is hoaxed but I found it an very interesting read and the "insider" was not your basic family member of the well known dynasties we are used to hearing about, but a hidden minority among them.

Unknown if this even relates to the 33 but the reasons this person did a Q&A at GLP could be seen as "fair play" so I was inspired to read this PDF (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/revelations_elitefamilyinsider.pdf) again after listening the Charles.

[bluegate]

I think the 33 most be, as Charles himself said, the guys on the very top of the game..the guys in the eye of the pyramids. It must have something to do with the 33 Masonic degree. I guess the 33 degree is for those who want to be close enough to the top elite. I wonder if Charles already belong to the Mason? Most likely.

[Lee-B]

Thanks for a very interesting 2 hour interview. As ever, Bill, you are a fine interviewer and very skilled at fielding potentially delicate/contentious questions and responses. Wishing you a wonderful 2011. And thanks Charles, he certainly seems to have some knowledge. I need a few more solid tit bits to be utterly convinced if truth be told, but it's a step in the right direction, for me.

[Mutchie]

Bill said this is a form of DISCLOSURE and that may well be but charlie wasnt exactly forthcoming with information and it seemed to me that whenever Bill would press him for more info on any given subject he would wriggle out of it by saying it wasnt his field of expertise or he would THROW the question back at BILL:frusty:I just dont see WHY the powers at the VERY TOP would use a guy like this who is TERMINALLY ILL, he was so EVASIVE....Im aware that i dont know all the ins & outs because Bill stated earlier that charles had lost a friend recently due to his stance towards bill also he had to flee, i think it was to Nigeria, he was said to have lost a lot of money aswell saying that though Bill is RESPONSIBLE & maybe the guys at the top are testing the waters through Bill and the Project AValon forum to see how we react -

OUR REACTION IS UNIVERSAL - WE WANT TO KNOW MORE - WE WANT TO KNOW NOW !:cool:

[qbeac]

Thank you Bill and Charles for the interview.

I watched the whole interview very late last night. I was tired, but who could put it down?!!! I think I’ll have to watch it again because some times Charles voice was hard to understand. A transcript or subtitles would be greatly appreciated.

Some comments, very briefly:

I have mixed feelings about Charles’ version of events.

Some things Charles says seem correct and coherent, but other ones do not.

For instance, Charles version does not fit too well with the “Anglo Saxon Mission”, and I think this is a very important point that should be further clarified.

Charles was quite evasive some times, not giving clear answers or changing the subject totally. In that way, his attitude was different from other whistleblowers who are usually more open, candid and forthcoming, and who make an effort to explain things in such a way so that most regular people can understand them.

Also, the fact that he says “he doesn’t care” is strange or perhaps not a good symptom, or even a contradiction, because, if that’s the case, why would he agree to be interviewed in the first place?

All of this makes you wonder if Charles may have a different agenda other than to help us better understand the big picture or to clarify key points of it.

During the interview I kept thinking: is he working “with” the elite (as a spokesperson) or is he working “for” the elite (as a disinfo agent), or is he working for and by himself (for whatever reason)…???

Therefore, it seems to me there is a RISK this could be partially (not all of it) disinformation, or even an attempt to discredit Bill by trying to make him trust in false info.

But I may be wrong because I do not have all the data. So, for right now, I don’t have a definitive opinion about this interview.

In summary, I don’t know yet what to think about this interview, but one thing is clear:


Further clarifications are needed in order to be able to discern if Charles’ version of events is correct or wrong, info or disinfo.
Again, thanks for the interview. qbeac.

P.S. Many more things could be said and analyzed about this interview, but for now and very briefly:

There were several very important pieces of the big picture (or big puzzle) that were not discussed or were discussed lightly in the interview (Ex: the alleged current struggle between good ETs vs. negative ETs, the alleged existence of pervious world cataclysms and lost civilizations such as Atlantis or Lemuria, further details of what may or may not happen around 2012, etc.), and Charles’s more in depth opinion about those key subjects would be appreciated in order for us to get a better idea of the accuracy and correctness of his version of events.

[East Sun]

Thanks Bill,
All the questions and doubts are justified of course. On the doubting side of whistle blowers and Charles as well, is that he gives hints at something really big that he is privy to but avoids giving any real solid info. For someone who says that this (interview) is his way of "giving them a kick in the nuts" on his way out and has only two or three years left to live and does not care what happens, he is very close mouthed. He needs to be listened to very carefully and asked to clarify things that he hints at. Whistle blowers have a knack at talking a lot without saying much more than what has been said before and holding the carrot on a string all the time. Just an opinion.

[3optic]

I only read the first few chapters of that book, 3optic - what did it remind you of? Was it carting all our worldly possessions around in a shopping trolley?

Or am I going to have to read the book?
:)

Specifically; Charles' comment about "hamburgers on legs" seems to me to be a reference to cannibalism in the event of worldwide famine. I throw up now.

[kinsuemei2]

In sight of a private email, I have to retract my previous statements, whilst I am still dubious of the SAS thing, that might just be my ego biting me there as a physical fighter, I have to say that I understand that this man might indeed be for real and am now looking forward to the next video.

I think this was a gamble for Bill, I don’t think the “idiots” on you tube understood the level of danger that Bill is now in. I will still urge him to tread carefully and remember the Fox and the scorpion that is a extremely important detail that you WILL need, and this is me looking out for you. This man is good talker, and I am sure gaining your confidence was part of his initial act, but also remember he said he will get to know you and dis info you, now he also said they used this tactic before and they WILL again, and if you bet the farm on one man, know that it's your reputation, and thats why I urge caution. Remember no ONE man knows it all because of compartmentalization and the lie is different on every level.

A sacrificial lamb, no ties, not long to live, won't be around to see the fallout of your down fall, "Those that believe they are the gods of men will never let the children run the farm as long as the gods exist to govern it."

And I think Bill can verify that his hands were covering his chin not his mouth ;).

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Oh and ask Charles if he knows about the remote viewer back in the 80s that they used to make Saddam sick, with skills similar to his ;)

[Zook]

Good morning, Good Avalon!


Disclaimer: Maybe I shouldn't comment until I see the whole thing. I've only watched the 1st hour, and that's all I can stomach for now.
[...]
It's only because of my huge respect for Bill that I'll take a deep breath, chug an Alka-Seltzer, and listen to the rest of this.

My first thoughts immediately after watching the video, I already posted yesterday. After a day's reflection, and reading some of the other posters comments on this and its sister thread, the red flags started appearing en masse. Let me offer just a few of them here.

(1) Charles comes off as the quintessential confidence man. He speaks fast; he speaks often; he speaks from many directions; he speaks with cryptic diction ... the know-it-all dancing circles about the know-it-some. My Mom almost bought a vacuum cleaner from one of them nearly six-squared years ago, after he stuck a foot-in-the-front-door and proceeded to impress three summer-vacated children by levitating a golf ball using the reverse suction power of a Hoover model (or was it Sunbeam??).

(2) On the topic of golf, his claim of having slaughtered his playing partner in his first ever round of golf, befits his enormous ego and swagger. But is the claim befitting a man who wants to keep things in their proper perspective? Or a man who has lost the sense of personal dimension? Here, imagine yourself on a plane waiting for take-off, then taking off, then in low altitude, then in mid-altitude, then in high altitude. At which height do you attain your best sense of personal dimension? That's correct, at the highest altitude. At which height do you have the least sense of personal dimension. That's correct, the lowest altitude (e.g. on the ground). Now apply this visual to compartmentalization. Is Charles inflated sense of personal dimension befitting a high compartment or a low compartment, e.g. in the network of compartments? IMHO, even if he had slaughtered his golfing buddy in his first ever round of golf, his need to tell the world about it (Bill's interview is more or less a microphone to the world) betrays an insecurity commensurate with a low compartment. A person in a high compartment would be much more secure, and not debase their compartment by drawing attention to such a trivial fact. To me, this exposes Charles as a low-level operative. Alas, low-level operatives have limited roles to play in the bankster empire game. So perhaps we should all take a deep breath and not get too excited about the interview. But hey, maybe I'm just jealous about his golf swing ... I mean, when I shoot 64, it's usually just before someone in the group behind me hollers a suggestion (in excitable French!) that I pick up my bag of woods and bleeping irons and make haste to the second hole.
:jester:

(3) Means to an end: kill 300 to save 30,000?? Ya gotta admire their moral relativism ... at least for a yoctosecond, wot? But here's the rub ... their own granite Georgia Guidestones more or less instruct to kill 30,000 to save 300! How's that for Pi-radian reverse psychology ... and Charles, the golfing psychologist? Probably nothing more than coincidence but 300 < 3000 < 30,000 (Here, ~3000 souls were, indeed, sacrificed on 9/11/2001 ... but to save whom or what?)

(4) I find it hard to believe that someone who is alleged to have accumulated tens of millions of pounds ... would then risk losing it all by genuinely befriending Bill. It is much more likely - especially for someone with the profile of a confidence man - that Charles is dealing with Bill under false pretenses in the duty of TMastardsTB agenda. Indeed, that's what he had been trained to do all his life ... to deal with problems. At first, second, and third glance, Charles appears to possess a masterkey to the toolbox of coercive and manipulative methods. So what does it say about us when we choose to suspend the critical information pertaining to his historical record ... and opt for a less than critical view of a rehabilitated manipulator - looking to salvage some meaning in his life - even as he, in the confessional box arranged by Avalon,
proceeds as usual with unrehabilitated manners and mannerisms?

(5) This is January 2011. Why no mention at all about Julian Assange or Wikileaks? Two hours of video and not one word about a man or his band that has occupied the news pages for the past few months; certainly, the front page on virtually all the media websites (mainstream and alternative)? To wit, no disclosure or opinion from the high compartments about the self-appointed agents of disclosure? Highly curious.

(6) Nothing about 9/11/2001. Nothing more needs to be said.

Humble opinions all around.

:smow::smow::typing::smow::smow::smow:

ps: Anyways, those are some red flags to chew on for now. I find Charles to be a deeply flawed being, and not least because of his demonstrated apparent lack of compassion for his fellow human beings (both in his historical record, and in Bill's interview).

ps2: I hope Bill understands that TMastardsTB have sent this low-level compartmented agent down the side of the pyramid in the duty of their ongoing agenda, and not for a mutual understanding or undertaking.

ps3: It may very well be a sign that things are not going as smoothly as they had planned.

ps4: My advice to any of the high compartments reading this. Throw yourself at the mercy of those you had wronged. You'll be surprised at the level of forgiveness that the human condition contains. Equally, if you insist on playing the game as you have been doing, don't be surprised at how quickly the mathematics resolves itself. The mathematics of the pyramid - when everything falls apart - unleashes numbers that can only be terrifying to the capstone (and hypocapstone). And when that happens, even the most enlightened souls at the bottom of the pyramid won't have enough power of moral persuasion to stop the momentum and the madness.

ps5: Having said that, I still hold out hope that I am wrong about Charles. I've seen stranger things happen. Certainly, every rule has its exceptions. And in a weird way, I kinda like the chap. Not entirely his fault that he has been brainwashed from cradle to his current age. I mean, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that it's next to impossible to find your conscience when you've been inundated with temptations all your life. Perhaps we are wrong to judge him before we walk in his boots.

ps6: Not trying to pick a spot on the fence, folks ... but I don't want burn a bridge that TMastardsTB may be trying to span, e.g. in order to get off Devil's Island. After all, true spirituality obliges us to help those who want to come over to the good side.

[Celine]

Does Charles not admit to all this?

Your points are well made zook.

There seems to be some gaps...

but..

This IMO confirms what we all are doing is "right action"


The game has changed

[SPIRIT WOLF]

'Charles' reminds me of several of the smug know-it-all types that I've had the mispleasure to talk with in their little clubs over cigars and whisky regarding 'plans' and 'agendas'. I watched the 2 hour video with interest and picked up a lot of things, just as many of you here have done. From my own personal viewpoint and my experiences. I have someone whom is going thru every bit of material I have disclosed from those early vids to the data released on forums since 2005 and the interviews I've done on Dave Starbuck and Veritas. Among ALL the material given those that can connect dots will see an emerging picture. Much is centred around posts made within past 12 months to give a clearer precise picture for you. Once all of that material is checked against what 'Charles' has stated perhaps a fresh picture will unfold before you. Bill, even moreso we need speak, re that earlier 'discussion'. Barry

[Alan]

He could well be telling us the truth 95 percent of the time and that would make it incredibly hard for us to spot the lie

I suspect the hidden lie is, when he said we have absolutely no chance to beat the 33.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

'Charles' covered his bases reasonably well but perhaps not well enough at times. He talks very briefly of some issues that are not expounded upon in that interview. His clever way of handling certain questions is interesting, including the managed body language responses he gave, interesting talk but far too many gaps. Would you buy a used car from 'Charles'?

[Agape]

I suspect the hidden lie is, when he said we have absolutely no chance to beat the 33.


No matter what can be said about any such 33 , and let me just enlighten your ideas, there are no such 'only 33 in the world' there awful much more many than that, circles and organisations and individuals joining a clandestine net by consent,

and their organisation is as well disorganized like every other on Earth,

there's no total control over anything here ,

not from any ET side and not from within this little human world either.

'They' who want you to believe there is , they want just that, for the beginning. I know you don't. If you do, you would be living one life of paranoia.


There are Beings and People with exceptional insight, intelligence and abilities caring for the fate of this planet or trying to do at least.


The discussion carried the most special message for Bill himself, I believe. Things interpreted various ways and repeated as a part of different connotations often tend to give birth to many meanings again..

[Banshee]

Good morning, Good Avalon!



(2) On the topic of golf, his claim of having slaughtered his playing partner in his first ever round of golf, befits his enormous ego and swagger. But is the claim befitting a man who wants to keep things in their proper perspective? Or a man who has lost the sense of personal dimension? Here, imagine yourself on a plane waiting for take-off, then taking off, then in low altitude, then in mid-altitude, then in high altitude. At which height do you attain your best sense of personal dimension? That's correct, at the highest altitude. At which height do you have the least sense of personal dimension. That's correct, the lowest altitude (e.g. on the ground). Now apply this visual to compartmentalization. Is Charles inflated sense of personal dimension befitting a high compartment or a low compartment, e.g. in the network of compartments? IMHO, even if he had slaughtered his golfing buddy in his first ever round of golf, his need to tell the world about it (Bill's interview is more or less a microphone to the world) betrays an insecurity commensurate with a low compartment. A person in a high compartment would be much more secure, and not debase their compartment by drawing attention to such a trivial fact. To me, this exposes Charles as a low-level operative. Alas, low-level operatives have limited roles to play in the bankster empire game. So perhaps we should all take a deep breath and not get too excited about the interview. But hey, maybe I'm just jealous about his golf swing ... I mean, when I shoot 64, it's usually just before someone in the group behind me hollers a suggestion (in excitable French!) that I pick up my bag of woods and bleeping irons and make haste to the second hole.
:jester:].

Hi Zook,

I didn't see his reference to the golf game at as being ego at play at all ( I am wondering if he was playing at St. Andrews though) Anyhooo, the way I interpreted it was that Charles chose to experiment with a machine that altered his natural ability as well as what sounds like, scrambled his dna. He admitted that he didn't play golf. He admitted that it was a one off experience and referenced other anomolies as a result of his exposure to the machine. That was the point that I took from the reference. Here was a guy saying " hey, i don't do this thing, but after messing around with that device, I suddenly have abilities that have sprung forth from exposure " Kind of like the old " Doc, will I be able to play the violin" scenario.

Going a bit futher, I sensed a complete absence of ego from Charles. He chose to be interviewed incognito, he didn't seek to control the interview, he never made it about himself.... Bill had to pull the responses out of him. I sense that Charles already has one leg in the otherworld, both through his experience with the "machine" and by virtue of his "death sentence". IMHO, this makes him more qualified to speak to experience as he has absolutely no emotional connection to it or from what I sensed, to this world. Is it possible that the 33 are using him to relay their message because he is devoid of our understanding of humanity and more easily programmed? Sort of a "dead man walking"? I wish that there were some way for him to be resurrected so to speak. That would be his choice and it sounds like he has already made it.

This machine, now that has my attention. Is it a gateway to the Creator? That would certainly explain a lot.

[bashi]

Biil, let me contribute here to the 20 seconds you have:

First thing is to recognize that the world-view of the “Controllers” is self consistent and self-enforcing, but it is only a limited and closed system. Within that system Their views and conclusions are correct, based only on a reality allowed within the system.
They live (and succeed) in an environment which requires certain qualities on each level. One of the first levels is the cunningness of a rich, shrewd businessman. On higher levels other qualities like loyalty to the family or cause, willingness to face hardship in order to get trained, or ability to do the “right” thing regardless of “good” or “bad” will play more dominant roles.
Their general view of the ordinary human masses is, that these beings are more or less domesticated animals. Their view has been reinforced by observing how humans react to certain situations, which They set up to prove Their conclusions.
An example for it is the way how problematic individuals are dealt with: As (nearly) every human has his/her weak points, these gateways are used to neutralize the problem.
There are certain patterns how to work through these gateways: Greed (money), power (position), ambition (success), vanity (fame), fear (threat), curiosity (info), lust (sex) …etc.
I guess that Charles has a standard repertoire of proven procedures how to “get” a person.
If a targeted individual falls into the trap, then it is not only seen as “mission accomplished”, but also as a justification for just the mission. Because the person has failed to withstand the onslaught of the Advocati Diaboli, two a priori statements were proven:
That there is a simple way how to deal with this individual and also that this semi-animal is not at all worthy for higher ranks, thus proving again Their superiority.
The fact that almost any individual from the masses will not be able to pass that type of test (including me and many members of this forum), proves to the “Controllers” that they are actually right.
This negative approach has led to the conclusion that it`s no big deal to cull the herd, because it is necessary. They have literally given up on mass-mankind as it is right now. I can understand Their conclusions, although I don’t share Their view how to solve the problem.
I think that Their view of mankind is incomplete and single sided, by focussing on “negative” training/temptation and the failure to withstand the temptation.

There are people outside the “inside”, like Bill, who are not only in the know, but can withstand the attacks of the Advocati Diaboli. According to Their view of man, these people should not exist, and they might ask themselves “How can there be an Elite outside of us?”
The very fact that they exist, without imposed organized training, should make Them think, because it becomes obvious that something is missing in Their world view.
The next step is asking:
Is the culling really necessary, which has been concluded based on this incomplete view of reality?
They should also ask themselves: Why is ET leaving us alone?
Is it Their own mess, created in selfishness, here on Earth that demotes Man to a species better observed from the distance?
How will the future of cosmic crusaders in ARV`s look like?
Are they not likely to attract scores of alien Saladins which will contain Their spread?


All these questions point to one thing:

The negative approach towards humanity is not the only way and that there is a basically different approach towards mankind possible: Through the amplification of positive attitudes within mankind, much better results might be achievable.
They might say: ”Nobody of the masses wants that, it does not sell…”
Right, that is the situation for now, but are these guys not thinking in longer terms?

An example here: The weakness of vanity can be used by creating positive news:
Today, if you rape, kill or commit other atrocities, then you are guaranteed as much more public attention as much bigger the crime is. News is only about negative occurrences, calamities, crimes and catastrophes; nothing else. Their argument is that without these contents, the number of viewers will be going down.
My argument is, that it only proves that negative conditioning is working.
What if the process is turned to positive conditioning?
What if the focus is on persons who have achieved something great for another person or for the community?
Outstanding examples of bravery/ honesty/ kindness/ selflessness/ ethics/ respect for others …etc can be highlighted. If the news would be full of reports of these personal achievements and their respective personal interviews, then will that not influence the masses positively? I believe that many more people would be inspired to widen their boundaries, and even if it is only for getting into the news.
That process, due to new technologies, could achieve results almost instantly and can potentially become very intensive, like a nuclear explosion, thus creating a tremendous social impact.
I can imagine that individual conflicts and regional tensions will be reduced drastically through this simple measure.

Still we have the masses and numbers, and of course, the issue of the limited resources on Earth will come up. It will come up any way, even with the culling; but only delayed. Thus a fundamental shift of focus is a must in any case.

Why not approach the manufacturing process in a different way:
Today an article is priced due to the cost of its materials, their assembling and market rules. Two mayor facts are completely left out of the equation:
- the fact that the raw material, metal for example, has been extracted irreversibly from the limited region (Earth). That metal represents a much greater value than just the cost of extraction and processing, because it can not be replaced.
- the durability of a product is not being considered. The lifetime of an item in service should be a major factor which determines it’s price.

For example: A today produced cheap item A, which might last for 1 year, is sold at a price of 10 dollars. A different manufacturer, which produces the same item B, but at a much higher standard, which will make it last for 7 years, will have to sell at 20 dollars. The manufacturer of quality items is thus being punished through prevalent market rules, due to the negligence of factoring in the use of raw materials and the lifetime. An item should be taxed according to materials used and also according to the stated guaranteed lifetime.
If this would be counted in, then the item A may cost 70 dollars, and it would disappear immediately from the market.

In Germany there is a non-governmental institution, the TÜV, which tests nearly all items, sometimes even services (Deutsche Gründlichkeit…). If such an organisation can be tasked to conduct lifetime tests and compare it with the stated guaranteed lifetime by the manufacturer, then this measure can be implemented there immediately.
This transformation can be accompanied by raising public awareness to consume more resource–conscious and not consumer-oriented.
A shift away from the Ego based consumerism like having the biggest car, etc. towards responsible commerce will have to be promoted.
Certain issues would solve itself automatically: Who will boast with having bought item A at 70 $ which will be falling apart soon?

The prolonged lifetime of every item produced would result into less demand, production and consumerism, thus freeing people from the burden of intensive labour. This free time can be used individually, maybe by engaging into the promoted activities like sports, self-education, arts, music; or just leisure and fun.

The overpopulation is only a problem, if the focus is not shifted.
If the human species would produce and consume in a really environmentally friendly way, then Earth could easily accommodate even double the number of humans.
The indigenous populations of almost all developed countries of Earth are in fact SHRINKING.
Their birth-rate is lower than the rate required to sustain a stable population number.
The problem lies within the poor countries, where poverty drives the growth, and the subsequent migration.

Free energy can be cheaply provided first by major electricity companies, while keeping the actual technique still confidential.
Later, after a transformational time in which the positive focus of public recognition is emphasised, local free energy devices can power the remote rest of areas.
Thus the danger that aggressive individuals will misuse free energy devices for their agendas, can be diminished.

The promoted responsibility for the environment and Earth`s resources has to be implemented first through financial means and later through increased awareness, moral and ethics. This includes respect for the life of every animal on this planet.
Becoming a Vegetarian through insight is much better than being forced through instinct to hunt for “Hamburgers on legs”, isn`t it?

I believe that these possibilities are not new and have been pondered also by the “Controllers” also.
So the question is: Why have They not tested and tried this approach? Their answer might be: “Because it does not work!” Well, your models and calculations are based on the negative data approach, isn`t it?
Maybe the “Controllers/Guardians” are also being controlled? Maybe a control is exercised to focus only on the negative path? A control which is too subtle to be noticed immediately? The perfect control is an unnoticed control, even unnoticed by a “Controller”.

This will lead us to the BIGGEST PICTURE….



PS: Regarding the thing to be brought back from the moon: I remember the good old days when a yellow telephone-book was used, if you wanted to phone ahead. Is it now not back in Saladin`s hands? It looks to me as if the crusade is doomed…

[Ilie Pandia]

For those that are monitoring the forum and the answer to the interview :)

The 33 have no way of knowing they are the capstone of the pyramid. There may be many other organizations, individuals that think that they also at the very top. There will always be a bigger fish in the ocean.
The Charles information does not take into account outside/off planet influence which I am not saying that is a certainty but it is a possibility.
If I am consciousness, all that is, has been or will ever be then I am the cap stone, or better yet there is no cap stone.
I will have to agree with Bill that there must be another way do to things.
I also think that is important what Charles says: nobody is forcing you to watch TV, to eat junk food, to fall into the media traps. The information is available if you look for it. You can self-educate if you choose to.
Much of what is happening is our own doing: by turning a blind eye, by allowing laws to pass, by accepting jobs that are not in alignment with our inner feelings, by fear of ridicule. In a way the market is responding to our demand. We do not want to cure the cause of the disease, we want a quick fix pill that will allows us to continue with the destructive life style
Nobody is stopping you to spends some time in silence, with yourself, away from the TV and all the media noise
All TPTB can do is lay out traps but it is we that are stepping into them by not paying attention. They can make the "dark ways" more seductive but it is we who are making the choice.
According to Charles we are pretty much doomed due to the food shortage, and because the "have not"s will attack those that "have". In this case I have no idea why did I come on this planet (if I had choice in the first place.)
The overall message is pretty dis-empowering and I think that this is all part of "testing the water", to check how much power are we willing to give away. Do we agree to fall into the "little me, I can make no difference" frame of mind.

[Adrift]

With thanks to Bill for sharing this interview and related material.

There are a couple of things I wanted to bring up that other thread replies have touched on:

Charles said: [With regards to generating income] As your accumulation reaches a certain point you'll be approached...
The reason you'll be approached is... to get that kind of money together you're not a nice guy...

Bill replied: You don't have to play dirty to get money, do you?

Charles: I think you do, it's my personal opinion, but it's also is a fact

So it seems to be fairly clear that this group judges your relative worth by your ability to produce money, because it's thought synonymous with traits most of us would label - what - devious, underhanded, immoral, deceitful, selfish?
This is the Human Race version 2.0 that they want to foster? What a soulless, cynical, empty, meaningless sort of society that would be. Are these really the characteristics that they value most? Is that their interpretation of an "optimised human genome"?

Charles briefly referred to "their religion" without explaining what that might be. David Wilcock has often talked about the "Luciferian Illuminati" (search divinecosmos.com for "Luciferian"), perhaps this is what he meant?

Charles: ...I'm quite devious like that, they love that
Charles: ...There is no right and wrong/it's a complete fabrication
Charles: ...There are hundreds of bloodlines but most of them don't matter
Charles: ...There are 427 that are relevant

There were quite a few contradictions among the many topics discussed. Charles appears to lay the blame at our collective door for what he describes as "broken Earth" (how did the mighty, data-rich, 33 allow this oh-so-onerous state of affairs to be reached?), and our passive acceptance of the insidious control mechanisms that have been introduced over time.
But then there were snippets of conversation such as:

Bill: ...people don't understand the world
Charles: ...and it's not their fault

Bill: We've been made fools of for a long time
Charles: Through no fault of your own

The crop seed segment was another example of the same, Bill suggested that an engineered famine would be mass murder, Charles said it wasn't like holding a gun to anyone's head. But he also talked about the "tactics" that have been employed to force farmers to use the "Terminator seeds" (as they've been termed elsewhere).
This isn't willing cattle marching oblivious to slaughter, there's no free-will choice, they weren't allowed the opportunity to make a lazy/misguided/greed-driven selection, it was foisted on them.

He says we came close to nuclear war between nation states (Bill: The Cuban Missile Crisis, Charles: That's another one), but then tells us to forget about borders.

My overriding impression of this group as he describes them, is of a collective without humanity or empathy, without vision or imagination. They sound robotic, calculating, logic-driven and cruel.

[timerty]

The way Bill tries to suck up(I can't find another better description) to those he thinks are social elites from his way of speaking and written language is just plain obnoxious. The way he tries to make good with Charles is seen as a form of cowardice and preferential treatment. And trying to be friends with an interviewee is not an objective thing to do PERIOD. It is definitely not a professional journalistic working attitude AT ALL. And not dealing with the empty unfounded statements that Charles make(2012 is BS?) is just another form of cowardice, preferential treatment and sucking up. Overall, I don't think Bill is as responsible as he would like to think he is, not walking his own talk, just lots of exaggerated sense of self-importance aka EGO, and uncivilized aggression. This forum is also not very smart. Don't ask me for my opinion, go ask someone else like Kerry for what she has to say to all of this.

[kinsuemei2]

The way Bill tries to suck up(I can't find another better description) to those he thinks are social elites from his way of speaking and written language is just plain obnoxious.

I don't see it a sucking up, it's recognizing a bad situation, although I do believe Bill game a little to much power to this man, who knows if he could beat you in chess, or pool. I would gladly play a game of chess with this man, but thats my ego and competitive spirit talking, being the kind of person I am if a person is good, I feel the need to test my self against that person... Character flaw <--- lol.

[Banshee]

With thanks to Bill for sharing this interview and related material.

There are a couple of things I wanted to bring up that other thread replies have touched on:

Charles said: [With regards to generating income] As your accumulation reaches a certain point you'll be approached...
The reason you'll be approached is... to get that kind of money together you're not a nice guy...

Bill replied: You don't have to play dirty to get money, do you?

Charles: [b]I think you do, it's my personal opinion, but it's also is a fact[/b

I am not a religious person, in fact probably more agnostic, but this brings to mind,

Matthew 19:24

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The way Bill tries to suck up(I can't find another better description) to those he thinks are social elites from his way of speaking and written language is just plain obnoxious. The way he tries to make good with Charles is seen as a form of cowardice and preferential treatment. And trying to be friends with an interviewee is not an objective thing to do PERIOD. It is definitely not a professional journalistic working attitude AT ALL. And not dealing with the empty unfounded statements that Charles make(2012 is BS?) is just another form of cowardice, preferential treatment and sucking up. Overall, I don't think Bill is as responsible as he would like to think he is, not walking his own talk, just lots of exaggerated sense of self-importance aka EGO, and uncivilized aggression. This forum is also not very smart. Don't ask me for my opinion, go ask someone else like Kerry for what she has to say to all of this.

If you thought you were alone in a hotel room with someone who confessed that they were contracted to "deal with you", you would tread lightly as well. Better a friend than a foe.

[Luke]

(...)
For example: A today produced cheap item A, which might last for 1 year, is sold at a price of 10 dollars. A different manufacturer, which produces the same item B, but at a much higher standard, which will make it last for 7 years, will have to sell at 20 dollars. The manufacturer of quality items is thus being punished through prevalent market rules, due to the negligence of factoring in the use of raw materials and the lifetime. An item should be taxed according to materials used and also according to the stated guaranteed lifetime.
If this would be counted in, then the item A may cost 70 dollars, and it would disappear immediately from the market. (...)
The economic theory I subscribe to , the "Austrian School", call this "Time preference" problem. In short, we, humans, evaluate in given period of time. Some do it for 30 years ahead, some for a year, and some for just few hours. The average for whole population is less than week though. For people that evaluate their actions in 30 year periods (or even 30 centuries), that is plain weakness. Yet "normal" people are not aware of that.
And this is another "proof" of negative "conditioning": if you are unable to see through deception of education, well, your fault.

The list goes on, yet one thing to notice: there is always a "window" open, often in the plain sight. You can use it, yet all your conditioning is working against you. Yet, they can point to it and say: see- here was your chance and you decided otherwise. Game was fair, you lost.

You got to admit, there is twisted logic to it.

[Banshee]

Perhaps a little investigation into the significance of the number 33 would reveal some information?

[Ahkenaten]

"even if he had slaughtered his golfing buddy in his first ever round of golf, his need to tell the world about it (Bill's interview is more or less a microphone to the world) betrays an insecurity commensurate with a low compartment. A person in a high compartment would be much more secure, and not debase their compartment by drawing attention to such a trivial fact. To me, this exposes Charles as a low-level operative."


Hi Brother Zook......I think you have hit a very interesting and revealing point here....................first as we know, Golf is the pet obsession of many, especially people who consider themselves to be amongst the elite. I often have wondered about the degree of obsession people, mostly men, have with this sport consisting of batting BALLS around a well-groomed GREEN into HOLES. In any event, 'Charles' inability to resist the impulse to brag about his Golf prowess is very telling on multiple levels.......he blew his cool here, and his overbearing ego is his Achilles' heel that can be exploited against him and undoubtedly has been. The more I think about it the less credibility I give to 'Charles' or his testimony, other than as a thinly veiled threat against any who dare oppose TPTB.

[Wood]

Has anyone considered that the role of Charles might be to actually add chaos to the world? When Bill asks why he does this he answers "because I can", and then he goes on explaining that it could actually be part of his 'ability', so the 33 can't know whether he is doing what he is supposed to do and thus he can get away with it. I am thinking in order vs chaos, or in the Architect vs the Oracle in Matrix movies, or in the bool "The traveler" by John Twelve Hawks.

Maybe the reason behind Bill's uneasiness is that Charles is a wild, unpredictable person due to his role and natural skill.

[Fredkc]

If people could take a breathe, for a moment...

The comments on Bill's demeanor in the video seem to miss something. In my opinion he did not come across as subservient, at all. Part of the opportunity with this was establishing a dialog with people behind "Charles".

What it looked like to me, was an attempt at opening a peaceful, civil dialog. You accomplish this by being honest, and civil yourself. Both sides in this conversation were walking a tightrope. Both sides were speaking to/for others as much as they could in a public venue.

One thing to remember is, this was a first volley. Also means that first impressions are determined by what is said here.

More to say, once I've watched it again.
Fred

[NancyV]

It is easy and a distraction to let Charles accent, mannerisms and his statements that he is formally uneducated lead one to believe he is less intelligent than he truly is. He is most likely highly intelligent and may even be smarter than his employers. He says he was a rebel from an early age, he has little if any respect for authority. He is amoral, uncontrollable to a large extent, time has little effect upon him, and he doesn’t care about much. For those of us who DO care about many things in life it’s difficult to accept that he truly is detached about outcomes and we tend to think that he MUST care deep down. Maybe he does care somewhat in certain now moments, but he still ultimately doesn’t care. Not caring is a rather evolved state of being, even if we would like to think caring MORE is the more evolved state of being.

These are some of the traits of an advanced type of human which gives them great strength and advantages in this game here on earth. Certainly these traits have given him great advantages in his profession. He could not have done what he has done (the little we’ve heard) without being very intelligent, not just street smart. He is also rather detached in his statement that he has a terminal disease or condition, and a truly intelligent person knows that death means very little. Of course our bodies are all terminal and we all have different times for leaving our vehicle, however, Charles doesn’t need to accept a terminal diagnosis at this time, so I hope he rejects that and finds a cure.

Perhaps one of his weaknesses might be a desire for money, but he may ultimately not really care about that either. Dealing with the loss of millions does not seem to overly upset him. His lack of knowledge about the Georgia Guidestones shows little about his intelligence, it may mean that he is intelligent enough to learn what HE wants to know and not waste his time on things others think are important, because he doesn’t care what others think. We don’t know about his spiritual knowledge so we can’t judge if his possible lack of spiritual knowledge is a weakness, but it might be if he has not explored his full spiritual potential and powers. Possessing psychic abilities is not indicative of spiritual knowledge.

I’m sure he is intelligent enough to manipulate this situation in any way he chooses. Bill is, without a doubt, aware of that. Bill calling him a friend is not strange at all…. for Bill… because Bill is a friend. If Charles turns out to not be a friend that is his problem, but Bill will be who he is and I’m confident that he knows that someone you consider to be a friend might easily betray and mislead you. You can learn so much more if you are a friend to someone rather than an obvious adversary. If later they betray you, oh well… that’s life.

I found the information Charles discussed to be very interesting and look forward to any future interviews. I don’t really care about the supposed 33 bloodlines who think they control and may influence much of this reality other than for informational purposes, a bit of excitement and general curiosity. Finding out different world views is always fascinating to me, but I do not “believe” any of them are the ultimate truth because that would cause me to be in a weaker, more limited position. I understand that they largely believe in their particular role, and that’s a big clue to their limitations. Undoubtedly big money has big influence in shaping our world and we know there are those who are pulling many strings attached to many puppets, but if they have a strong belief structure from which they operate… that is a weakness because it is fixed and not fluid. I like to play the game by finding out weaknesses, and everyone has weaknesses. Charles explained that this is what he does. We can play this game too.

So I thank Charles for his interview with Bill. I like Charles even if many of his actions would be judged by most people as immoral, unethical, manipulative and cruel. But just because I like someone doesn’t mean that I would hesitate to “deal with them” in any way necessary.

Thanks for the great interview, Bill !!
Nancy :)

[Merkaba360]

What someone should ask these 33 (nudge Bill) is how are they planning to avoid the Holographic Principle(s). Since all parts are the whole, everything done is done to self. There is no good or bad, just construction and destruction. Wouldn't destruction of other be self defeating? Do they have some other perspective on this?

They most be aware of the holographic principles in order to use holoarchy to keep power.

I think they are as stuck from reaching the next level of (feeling) awesomeness as we are. Perhaps they are attached to the awesomeness power they feel from their sucking up of power. But, could they be convinced that unleashing the consiousness of the masses would exalt us all into a new world of unimaginable awesomeness surpassing anything attainable under current structures.

Giving is receiving. That is the answer. The circle , the paradox. The game might have been necessary. But we are here to create and can turn a new leaf and be loved for having the strength to change. I don't think they need to be exposed and harmed for some wrongdoings. Perhaps they are afraid of the angry unconscious ones. Can't there be protection from people like us.

The problem is we can't get access to their info to have a constructive discussion.

[bashi]

The economic theory I subscribe to , the "Austrian School", call this "Time preference" problem. In short, we, humans, evaluate in given period of time. Some do it for 30 years ahead, some for a year, and some for just few hours. The average for whole population is less than week though. For people that evaluate their actions in 30 year periods (or even 30 centuries), that is plain weakness. Yet "normal" people are not aware of that.
And this is another "proof" of negative "conditioning": if you are unable to see through deception of education, well, your fault.

The list goes on, yet one thing to notice: there is always a "window" open, often in the plain sight. You can use it, yet all your conditioning is working against you. Yet, they can point to it and say: see- here was your chance and you decided otherwise. Game was fair, you lost.

You got to admit, there is twisted logic to it.

thank you for your critical observations.
i am looking forward to see your positive and intelligent contributions

[greybeard]

Some thoughts.
When you have everything that money can buy, all the power etc, whats left?
Why the game of course.
Now of course you want to win but you want a worthy adversary.
There must at least be some chance that the adversary can win even against difficult odds.
So you would give just enough information to at least encourage the other to play.
The higher the stakes the more interesting the "game".

Now for me life is a game and eventually I will leave this world so im not particularly concerned.
I can afford to walk away from the game of 33 as I know life is eternal but many are really scared concerned about what happens in this life, I have concern for them.
When you know for sure that there is a loving God you can happily walk away from the game.
Thats more or less what David Icke says. ie Stop playing the game. Its all an illusion only unconditional love is real.
Easier said than done but there you have it.
With great respect for all the intelligent rational thoughts expressed here by people on the forum.
Chris

[Rocky_Shorz]

I wonder if just by meeting Bill it sparked them to come forward as "Foundation X"...

[New Dawn]

Hi all, happy new year! I've been gone for some time as I've kind of lost faith in all of this, but am back and listening to this interview now. I'm just under 45 minutes in - not that impressed yet. I assume Bill believes in this guy?

[norman]

Hi all, happy new year! I've been gone for some time as I've kind of lost faith in all of this, but am back and listening to this interview now. I'm just under 45 minutes in - not that impressed yet. I assume Bill believes in this guy?

Yup, we've all had our heads in the trough and muddied up the grass around it a bit but there's still room for a little un.

[yaksuit]

I wonder if just by meeting Bill it sparked them to come forward as "Foundation X"...

if Bill could get Charles to verify "foundation x", that would be very interesting.
i hope/look forward to the next interview.

[buffski]

Dear ADRIFT,
With respect to when you say


'The crop seed segment was another example of the same, Bill suggested that an engineered famine would be mass murder, Charles said it wasn't like holding a gun to anyone's head. But he also talked about the "tactics" that have been employed to force farmers to use the "Terminator seeds" (as they've been termed elsewhere).
This isn't willing cattle marching oblivious to slaughter, there's no free-will choice, they weren't allowed the opportunity to make a lazy/misguided/greed-driven selection, it was foisted on them.'

Did you not sense that when he says 'it wasn't like holding a gun to anyone's head', that Charles is inferring our human docility and that maybe he is opening a few synaptic doors of self-realisation that we can indeed refuse and not comply? He perhaps could not openly say that we should fight and resist.

[Merkaba360]

How about just reprogram the herd with truth. 999 channels of facts and open exchange. If the game is about power then lets see their power to wake up the globe instead. Why is power defined by control over. How about the power of the creator which makes more creators, not slaves . lol

Yea, i think Chris is right, its the game they want. So, whats there to negotiate or discuss.

[Dom1noe]

I find the interview long with not so many pieces of information. It's obvious Charles didn't come to share but to play a game.
The info included sounds reasonable though. I agree food is THE issue.
I wonder why do the "ups" have the need to excuse their ways of manipulation by saying you can find anything out there. Yes, it is true, but you can also find the opposite information as well, so the end result is confusion. If they really were so enthusiastic and willing for our best, they should tell us the truth. But that would most probably result in them loosing outer control.
And how can Charlie say they are allpowerful, yet "their" planet somehow managed to overpopulate?
I think we create our world anyway - even if its an unconstious process. So stop blaming some 33 out there and start fixing the mess you created for yourselves!;)
Anyway I think we should have compassion with them. How can someone with neverending lust for power and wealth ever be happy?

[bashi]

[QUOTE=greybeard;88009]Some thoughts.
When you have everything that money can buy, all the power etc, whats left?

QUOTE]

There is a saying: The last skirt does not have pockets...

[galacticctzn]

thanks to bill for this, many things can be read between the lines here, and i feel this is one of the most important interviews out there right now, the comment about arthur c. clarke and the monolith on the moon was especially intriguing, have also heard the great Edgar Mitchell talk about phobos in the same way. love strength and protection goes out to you bill, we need to care for each other right now, love and understanding is the key. we can prove them wrong.!!!

[Ross]

Dear ADRIFT,
With respect to when you say



Did you not sense that when he says 'it wasn't like holding a gun to anyone's head', that Charles is inferring our human docility and that maybe he is opening a few synaptic doors of self-realisation that we can indeed refuse and not comply? He perhaps could not openly say that we should fight and resist.
.
Human docility is more of a problem than the controllers, IMO. Your single biggest challenge facing you through the journey of life, is yourself...clue (fix us first) that you can control.

[OneLittleFrog]

On the topic of golf, his claim of having slaughtered his playing partner in his first ever round of golf........
There's one other possibility.....maybe he means that literally :eek: ;)
(sorry, sleep deprivation makes me goofy....)


(3) Means to an end: kill 300 to save 30,000?? Ya gotta admire their moral relativism ... at least for a yoctosecond, wot? But here's the rub ... their own granite Georgia Guidestones more or less instruct to kill 30,000 to save 300! How's that for Pi-radian reverse psychology ... and Charles, the golfing psychologist? Probably nothing more than coincidence but 300 < 3000 < 30,000 (Here, ~3000 souls were, indeed, sacrificed on 9/11/2001 ... but to save whom or what?)
Fascinating point. These guys - whoever they are - seem to love number games. And yes that moral relativism is disturbing, but easily fits the character we're seeing here.


ps6: Not trying to pick a spot on the fence, folks ... but I don't want burn a bridge that TMastardsTB may be trying to span, e.g. in order to get off Devil's Island. After all, true spirituality obliges us to help those who want to come over to the good side.
Wow, that floored me, Mr. Zook. Forgiveness, salvation, redemption; all those other abstracts I don't pursue nearly often enough -- I guess they do belong in this conversation, don't they? I don't know if I could pass that test......


I swear there's more here than Bill telling us to take this questionable person - and his equally questionable 'disclosure' -- at face value (or back-of-the-head value, as it were). Are we being tested in some way? Our ability to forgive? Our ability to solve an immense puzzle? Our ability to refuse manipulation for once? What's the test?

[sygh]

Luke,
I appreciate your post in total.

[norman]

I swear there's more here than Bill telling us to take this questionable person - and his equally questionable 'disclosure' -- at face value (or back-of-the-head value, as it were). Are we being tested in some way? Our ability to forgive? Our ability to solve an immense puzzle? Our ability to refuse manipulation for once? What's the test?



The TRICK might be to create such a gulf between what Bill knows off the record and what he's passing on to us that he becomes more one of them than one of us. I'm reasonably confident that Bill will resist that but I'm equally confident that they have identified his hunger for understanding as a potential weakness.

[Dom1noe]

and a question for you, Bill: Charlie did take you on a trip, right? I mean he's literarly shown you THINGS.(Carefuly selected, I'm sure, but capitals anyway.) He mentioned something about you being different from few months age so that you understand... when talking about how having more knowledge about technology can easily give you the upper hand.

[cloud9]

and a question for you, Bill: Charlie did take you on a trip, right? I mean he's literarly shown you THINGS.(Carefuly selected, I'm sure, but capitals anyway.) He mentioned something about you being different from few months age so that you understand... when talking about how having more knowledge about technology can easily give you the upper hand.

Yes, that's why I asked in the other thread: Bill, in what way have you changed your views about the whole thing and why?
I really hope you are able to tell us, as you can see the whole interview has left us with more questions than answers

[greybeard]

I hope we are aware that as part of the game this thread may well have a 66 audience.
I hope they have a year filled with kind thoughts and deeds for the less fortunate,
they may well find there is great pleasure to be found in helping others to reach their full potential.

You know the story, Feed a man and you feed him for a day, teach him to produce his own food and you feed him for life.
So the intelligent answer to the problems of the world is education, positive thinking, respect etc.

Yes it is perhaps a good idea to reduce the population but not by draconian ways.
Well educated people tend to have smaller families
Respectfully
Chris

[avid]

an exhilerating interview, thank you and keep safe Bill.

[Kerry Cassidy]

Hi all,

I am posting my review here to add to the thread conversation...

Happy New Year!

FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT

a review by Kerry Lynn Cassidy from Project Camelot of The Rulers of the World interview by Bill Ryan


May the best 'man' win? Is that where this is at? With the recent interview released by Bill Ryan the questions that arise are many.

According to a Source, 'Charles" is not telling the truth when he says the nuclear option is off the table. They substantiate this by referencing recent nuclear tests by France and clandestine nuclear tests that are likely going on underground in India and elsewhere. It is of course highly desirable that be the case. The shutdown of the minutemen missiles documented by Robert Salas and other recent disclosure witnesses at the National Press Club would seem to support this idea. The trouble is, the data is conflicting.

So what else about what is talked about in the interview with Charles, is questionable, in either the lack of clear information or the obfuscation of the material? The clearest statement seems to be in relation to the threat from GMO foods. The garnering of control over the seeds. But this is old news and well known in the alternative community. Monsanto and other companies have been working hard to push that agenda. The names of these companies are out there. Why the huge resistance and warning against stating the obvious? Of course who controls the seeds and the lack of heritage seeds in circulation obviously narrows the controls over those who produce the crops... And the dumbing down and weakening of immune systems and possibly a multitude of other detrimental effects all point to a very damning conclusion so much so that various European countries have simply banned the use of GMO seeds. Again this is known.

So what is going on here? This man appears to have had an interaction with some kind of AI or possibly mind control to where his original 'program' was modified so that he becomes more an agent provocateur than an outright assassin. Maybe this is just a natural trajectory. It stands to reason that bumping people off and making their lives miserable if they don't toe the line can be a very disheartening way to exist. It might even give one cancer or some incurable disease. Working for the dark side is not good for ones health it would appear.

But from what I know, this person, though it is not revealed on the screen, has gone through a kind of Jason Bourne type of experience... Where his insubordination was punished...yet he survived. From the interview we know that somehow he has managed to convince his handlers that turning him--using him to start a dialog with the 'alternative community' as we are called, is apparently considered a worthwhile exercise or experiment.

And so, he steps forward and does the interview with my partner in Camelot, Bill Ryan. To quote from my recent article called "Wikileaks: The Magus in Deep Black" ..."But those behind the scenes in this surveillance society, the ones who call themselves Magus, who manipulate the effects of the truly courageous actions of the bright stars, diamonds in the rough, under their Control, cannot be ignored. It is necessary that we go deeper into the black, what some would call, above black, to discover the real war being fought."

Indeed this is the real question. Unfortunately this recent interview does little to reveal anything more about the Controllers. The info about UFO's being shot down is also old news. No one, at least no one I know, believed they crossed solar systems to crash from mechanical failures! We know they have been shot down. Particle beam weapons, scaler technology, some early radar based, laser technology from Wilhelm Reich... this is all out there. Indeed the truth is out there. Even this witness agrees.

So what about the "laughter surrounding the 2012" issue? How can this remain a joke when in the next breath he talks about the uncontrollable Sun and the sensibleness of establishing an out of the way 'farm' to prepare for what the future may bring. Starvation is clearly part of the agenda... So storing food in underground bases, out of the way of the dreaded solar CMEs doesn't sound funny any longer. And of course this is what governments are also doing. Why is he contradicting himself one wonders. Unless of course one realizes that is the modus operandi for agents. There is obviously a recognition of the need to throw some truth into the mix, such as the binary system (yes we know this) and modular space craft (yes) in with misdirection and flattery.

So what is the flattery involved and what does it mean? Unfortunately, like any good love affair the implication is that Bill 'turned his head' and made him rethink his priorities. Of course as charming as Bill is, this is still too much to believe. And this is one of the glaring problems within the body of the piece. Acknowledged that it is lonely at the top or close to it, especially when one is a lone gunman.. Finding a fine rapport with an individual of good intellect is albeit encouraging and even gratifying. But does it change the agenda?

Bill states "'Charles has explained that the extraterrestrial race who initiated this project are letting everything unfold with a philosophy of non-interference." This is patently untrue. Evidence to the contrary is everywhere. It does not square with Bob Dean's assertion that the Anunnaki are walking the halls of the Pentagon. Presumably doing more than just 'strolling'. Or Wendell Stevens, the laudable researcher who recently passed on, and who, just before he died, said to his good friend, Bob Dean, that there is no doubt that the Anunnaki are ruling this Earth.

And so, we have what Charles is calling the "Fair contest". Sorry there is no fairness involved here. On the contrary. This game is rigged. Very much so. Since the beginning. Rule by secrecy is what they call it.

When Bill told me about his interaction with Charles I asked him to read a rather old and forgotten book but one that made a great impression on me when I was around 12. Yes, I was young and rather adventurous when it came to reading material. The book is called THE MAGUS by John Fowles. I encourage everyone who hasn't to read it before finding out what happens at the end. Because it is in the journey that one experiences the real effect. But suffice to say, that this mode of operation is how 'they' think. It may be found to be highly instructive when applied to the current drama between Bill and his friendly adversary turned protector.

So what then is the game? And who again, are the Controllers. One source has told me that discussing who they are is off-limits... So are they 33? Are they, as they are reported to consider themselves "pure human"? Or, much more likely, are they really pure reptilian-human hybrids from one branch of the Anunnaki?

Are they of angelic human lineage as described by Ashyana Deane? Unlikely, given they are the self-proclaimed rulers of this planet. Because what is clearer than most anything else is that angelic humans, those who came from off planet are certainly not the Controllers. The takeover by the present group happened back around the time of the altering of the DNA of humanity back in the 'deep abzu' according to the Sumerian tablets. The initial dumbing down. So this group of very wealthy rulers are not pure human at least in this sense, by any means. So that must be a 'cover'.

And where do they operate from? Certainly the City of London is one of their bases of operations. Another, I am told is the state of Israel. Recently, I was told that a major alternative media personality is working as an agent to redirect attention away from the Mossad and the state of Israel because this is an Anunnaki base of operations within the Middle East. Makes sense if you think about it. If they started as Sitchin says they did in Babylon then they aren't far from 'home' at least as far as an earthly sense of that word.

And, they said, this has nothing to do with the Jewish culture. The state of Israel was established as a place for the bankers to operate from, to launder money and one would extrapolate, to establish a stronghold in the Middle East in the center of the oil cartel... This is an interesting line of investigation. Of course, anyone who veers in this direction is instantly accused of being anti-semitic. What a great cover for a deep black operation. This, I am told has nothing to do with the Hasidic or traditional Jews.

Although, it does have to do with the Rothschilds. And the bankers. And ultimately, it is about bloodlines.. what kind of superman inhabits this planet and then, goes out and terraforms others.

If Bill has his wish and manages to get another interview with Charles, it is likely they will begin to sketch out the bloodline issue. But whether this explanation will bring us any closer to the truth is another matter.

Of course Mars has to be one of the more likely real home bases in this solar system at present. All the indicators point to this. The recent information we received regarding the Venture Star and the routine flights off planet from the underground base in Utah, near Dugway.. as the JPL website states... "the Utah Test & Training Range provides the largest overland contiguous block of restricted airspace in the continental United States authorized for supersonic flight, available for aircrew training and weapons testing." That's pretty clear. Room for 35 scientists on each flight, we were told. Very well.

It is a misdirection to say this group of 33 that Charles is referring to is not the "illuminati". The fact is, the philosophy of the illuminati, goes deeply into this group... It must. Because it's the occult philosophy that they clearly use to operate out of. For more on this, read the RA Material.

So what is behind the visit from the lone assassin who has supposedly turned the tables on his handlers and in return found he has tops 4 years to live as a result? Isn't it much more likely that any change of heart on his part (and I wouldn't rule this out, after all, Camelot was established for just such people, defectors, I call them... whistleblowers from the matrix who are coming over to our side. To the light.) But in vetting such a one, we must be careful. Because, as is clear here, this person, not unlike several we have dealt with, is working, even openly as a double-agent. He is reporting back to the 'other' side, while stating that Bill is safe, (and I assume myself) as long as he is alive. Although from the sound of things that would mean our days are 'numbered' as they say if this is true. But, as he says, let the best 'man' win, survival of the fittest... and so on. Let the games begin in other words. On this new round. At the start of 2011.

Note: none of the above is meant to detract from the strong interview conducted by Bill Ryan or the possibility that this man Charles is exactly who he claims to be. Although that is still an open question.

To continue, when Bill uses the opportunity to interview Charles as a platform to make a plea to the so-called 33 for the viability of a different approach to solving the problems on the planet and against their favorite eugenics program.. this is laudable, however quaint in its approach. The trouble is, one must know that they are well familiar with the arguments against. And as Charles says have considered all the options. Sure it doesn't hurt to use this unique opportunity to state the case again... however, I have to say, this ignores the fact that you are talking to the tiger itself, about its own tools in the toolbox, such as free energy and space travel capability probably 1000 years in advance of anything we know of in the public sector and asking if they will consider playing fair. After 1000s of years of doing the opposite, playing on their advantage (off-world advantage) using power in service to self for aeons one rather doubts that another momentary plea will stop them in their tracks or even alter the playing field in any way.

This is actually already an open dialog between the alternative community and 'this lot'. And the answer coming back has sadly been anything but inspiring. But, this does not detract from the fact that this interview, and this kind of dialog is a step in the right direction. One might as well have out with it. The trouble is, that the Controllers are still in hiding. And those who appear to be in charge are being managed. That much is certain. The evidence is everywhere.

So where does this leave us? On the trail of the Anunnaki... for one. No doubt about it. The trouble is, that in this layered game, there are many off-planet races involved. And each group seems to think they are the ones in charge.

Another interesting bit of information from another source tells me that the newest arrivals from 'outer space' are working with the Chinese. And that China is, as a result, building up their war machine at an unprecedented rate. The 'new guys' on the block are not friendly to the rest of us. And they are supplying China with the means to even the playing field. So much for the 'China is our savior' PR campaign that has had some success among the 'alternative community'.

On another note, from what I understand from still another source, Julian Assange may indeed be working for a certain side. And the question still remains when considering who one works for in this game, that what the agenda of the given player is, must be taken into consideration along with that of the group they play for. Because if one finds oneself in sympathy with the agenda of one side, say over another, and, in furthering the agenda of the group one works for one furthers one's own equally important agenda then where's the harm? I imagine this is what we have to consider when looking at the case of Julian Assange or anyone who has behind the scenes elected to work for any group.

What is troubling is when one considers that ones allegiances are often practical as well as limited by the amount of depth and understanding one brings to the big picture... ie. the playing field... in all its dimensions and aspects. This is unavoidable. Where are the blinders? What are the limits of knowledge or prejudice any one individual brings to the table when considering where to cast ones vote or take ones stand? And then, a certain degree of tolerance even kindness has to be brought to bear in understanding why one individual cast their lot in with one group vs. another. The path of light is often shrouded in illusion.

Therefore, the issue with respect to Charles and even Julian has to be: which group and what agenda?? This is where the labyrinth becomes daunting and intimidating in every respect. Because again as perhaps too often quoted and yet too often found to be true, as Hoagland says 'the lie is different at every level'. And what level are we talking about at any given time has to be taken into consideration. Especially when asking or answering a question.

It is instructive to know that information given to humans at this stage is done so with this in mind. And when considering the Galactic playing field the game changes at least from our perspective. This is where false flags such as Project Blue Beam a faked alien invasion aimed at uniting us as Reagan so wistfully put it 'against a common enemy' comes to the fore. And the trouble is, that while they spin this fake alien invasion scenario to certain ends, the real invasion, interference and yes, war, has been going on all along. It's just that many never take the time to look behind the curtain long enough to see it. Layers upon layers.

We are at the brink of a Brave New World indeed. As Corso said 'if you can take it'... and I would add, whether you can take it or not. Moving into this New Year, it is useful to survey the playing field and see where we stand.

Addendum

Ultimately, the question on this planet comes down to sovereignty and then the inheritors. Because all the bloodline secrecy and genetic manipulation has to ultimately result in a race of humanity 2.0 .... possibly even more than one resulting race. Those in control who wish to maintain their control are doing so using money (as energy) but their desired objective is clearly superman or as I have stated, robotic superman because it appears highly likely given their established penchant for technology ... that they will go the way of AI/robotics/biological androids rather than to simply let the human evolve into the highest order of beingness they are capable of.

The potential in our DNA indicates that we have built in capability to be so much more than what we are at present. But allowing that angelic human to manifest is slow in contrast to the manipulated hybrid option. Control of the line is unlikely to yield the best out of this mix... because in the end, it is not perfection we are after but impeccability. This is a profound distinction and one which seems to have been lost at least to those who wish to manipulate our genome.

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[bluestflame]

yes , using technology in an attempt to emulate and overcome the divine

they are not themselves creative , but recruit the creativity of others and pervert it

they are dependant on us

[New Dawn]

Good to see you on here Kerry - if Bill does another interview with this guy, I wonder if you and Bill would be willing to do it together? I think you and Bill would work extremely well on this guy :)

[OneLittleFrog]

What a MARVELOUS post from Kerry! My little froggy brain is spinning, trying to proccess all you've written. Incredible.

Hoooo-wee!!! Serve notice to these arrogant masters and their agendas -- we've got some mighty powerful minds in OUR arsenal!

I don't know what to add, other than I'm so glad you're here!

Froggy :)

[jeannacav]

Because this is not a question, I am writing it here:
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PLEASE remember everybody,

WE create this reality.
For eons, we have been led and corralled to create a reality of their description.
So, be careful that you do NOT continue.
Otherwise, this interview will have served their purpose all too well.

Thank you,

jeanna

[qbeac]

Hi all,

I am posting my review here to add to the thread conversation...

Happy New Year!

FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT

a review by Kerry Lynn Cassidy from Project Camelot of The Rulers of the World interview by Bill Ryan


May the best 'man' win? Is that where this is at? With the recent interview released by Bill Ryan the questions that arise are many.

According to a Source, 'Charles" is not telling the truth when he says the nuclear option is off the table. They substantiate this by referencing recent nuclear tests by France and clandestine nuclear tests that are likely going on underground in India and elsewhere. It is of course highly desirable that be the case. The shutdown of the minutemen missiles documented by Robert Salas and other recent disclosure witnesses at the National Press Club would seem to support this idea. The trouble is, the data is conflicting….. etc.
Hi Kerry, great comment, 5 five stars for you!!!

Also, Kerry, I’ve asked Bill that in case he could arrange another interview with Charles, if you could participate in it (if you want or can do it).

I would certainly love to see you there asking Charles your own personal questions, because you two, Bill and Kerry, are a wonderful team, like The Beatles, and I miss The Beatles, and I thank you for all you are doing.

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Hi everyone, I’d like to add one comment about Charles’ interview:

I was puzzled when he said ”nothing special will happen in 2012, that it was a hoax” (or similar words), because, in my opinion, what the Anglo Saxon Mission (TASM) says about 2012 makes a lot of sense.

And I could be wrong, but let’s analyze it:


TASM says the elite knows world cataclysms are possible, they have happened in the past and they could happen again in the future due to astronomical reasons (the movement of Earth and the Solar System through space). And I don’t mean exactly on 2012, because it could be plus or minus X years: 2013, 2015, 2050, 2100… etc.
World cataclysms and lost civilizations (Atlantis, Lemuria) have been researched by people like Graham Hancock, Robert Baubal, Michael Cremo, The Giza Geomatrix, etc., and according to them, there are many physical and scientific evidences of their existence, for instance: OOPARTS (Out Of Place Artefacts), Trilithon-Baalbeck, sunken cities more than 10 thousands years ago, Yonaguni, Tiwanaku, etc.

The following is an excellent documentary about this subject hosted by Charlton Heston:


OOPart Archaeological Discoveries - Humanity's Origins PT1
(Charlton Heston, 1996)
1-5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d38x8Y5QAlA
2-5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl5ky0vm_Tk
3-5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XE5hro4BQM
4-5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCUkDyv2Ya8
5-5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArYbxvdw0w
So, it makes a lot of sense that if the elite wants to keep ruling this plante during the next astronomical cycle after the next cataclysm may take place (around 2012, plus or minus X years/decades), that the elite would NOT want for us (regular people) to know about it (the alleged and possible cyclical cataclysms).

Why? Because that way we will not get ready for it, we would do nothing about it, we would keep sleeping, and that would facilitate the elite’s plan for world domination now and during the next astronomical cycle.

In fact, that could be the reason why the elite has falsified the history of this world.

The official archaeological version says modern history starts at around the year 10 thousand B.C. (Jerico, Sumerians, etc.), and everything before that date was basically prehistoric times full of cave men and little more.

But that’s not true.

The elite has drawn a clear limit (or barrier) at around the year 10 thousand B.C. so that we don’t know what really happened before that date.

Why? In my opinion, because there are key pieces of the puzzle that happened before 10 thousand years ago and that the elite does not want for us to know, which are:


1) The existence of previous lost civilizations (Atlantis, Lemuria, etc.) and world cataclysm with enough power to destroy them.

2) The possible direct or indirect contact of those lost civilizations with ETs and with technology more advanced than the current one.
That’s why, in my opinion, the elite DOES NOT WANT AT ALL for a real Disclosure of the UFO-ET matter to take place (positive ETs), and that’s why the elite has falsified our history and prehistory to hide those key facts (1 and 2), because if all these things came to light, they would ruin their plans of world domination and the elite would loose its power over this world.

It’s interesting to point out that Lindsey Williams (a protestant pastor) says the elite has an ethical code (or something like that) which consists of letting us know ahead of time, through subliminal messages implanted in movies (Hollywood, TV, etc.), about their plans or about what may happen in the future (they’ve done it with 911 and other events).

And that’s what the Hollywood movie “2012” is all about: a global cataclysm. So, could that movie be a real “warning” the elite is giving us ahead of time to justify their plans? I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand.

For all those reasons, when Charles said “nothing will happen in 2012” (or around that year, plus or minus X years), it made me wonder weather he, in reality is working for the elite and is presenting the version of events that benefits the elite….???

And that would be the clever spin of his position, that the 2012 cataclysm is a hoax (99% truth and one lie). Or perhaps he truly believes so but they have lied to him, or perhaps he is under the effect of mind control…??? I don’t know, we are speculating and analyzing this situation to try to figure out what’s going on.

In any case, realistically speaking, if a global cataclysm were to take place, we (regular people) do not have the necessary technology to overcome it. But positive ETs supposedly do, and perhaps they could help us to overcome it.

But perhaps before the positive ETs are allowed to help us we need to do our homework: to wake up and take responsibility for this planet. Maybe that’s what the elite (or higher ET hierarchy) want to see?

Those are other reasons why I believe ET-Disclosure is so important, because it will open Pandora’s Box and the truth, whatever it is (including 911-inside job and many other suppressed info), will come out. And that’s what we want (regular people) and that’s what the elite doesn’t want: the truth.

In summary, considering the above, in my opinion (and I could be wrong, I don’t know what will happen around 2012), The Anglo Saxon Mission version of 2012 makes more sense than Charles’ version.

But we’ll see what happens.

[Tuza]

Because this is not a question, I am writing it here:
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PLEASE remember everybody,

WE create this reality.
For eons, we have been led and corralled to create a reality of their description.
So, be careful that you do NOT continue.
Otherwise, this interview will have served their purpose all too well.

Thank you,

jeanna

One of many excellent posts. Very good thoughts everyone, Charlie is being used because if he thinks he is still alive because of any power he has got he is mistaken. If they wanted him gone he wouldn't be breathing now plus you have to have somewhat of a sociopathic mind to have done what he has in the past.

As far as tptw are concerned, they think they have the power but they know they don't really. My feelings are they were given a wad of earth time and that is near its end and they know it, they are scrambling now, putting people like Charlie in to try and upset some people.

The Annunaki and whoever else are running out of their alloted time and they are not the creators of anything except trouble with a capital T.

There is a power which has always been and always will be, each of you have a spark of that, use it that is what we are here for now at this time, use it fellow sparks of the All that ever was and will be. As Thunderbird always said everything will be fine.................in that optimistic way of his.

[Dale]

Let me add a few observations concerning this interview.

Charles is clear on stating he is not a scientist, researcher, or organizer of any kind in relation to the inner-group he speaks of. He is a practical and rational problem solver, working on specific objectives, with an established set of highly interesting colleagues. Charles doesn't explain the topics he has been "briefed" on because he isn't a scientist, researcher, or organizer. He is aware that it would be ill-informed of him to do so. He's relating his particular experiences and knowledge from his particular position within this system.

The fact that parts of his testimony are already known throughout varying elements of the "alternative media circuit" shouldn't work to discredit him, but instead hint toward the possibility of another layer of corroboration.

We must remember this to be an introductory interview, of sorts, as the possibility for future engagements doesn't seem to be out of the question. One could assume that if further interviews occur, Charles may very well go into greater detail and explain much more of what he's encountered.

This isn't to say that Charles has the complete story or the highest vantage point. Or that every statement he makes is completely correct. We're all human; we're all capable of making mistakes, misjudging situations, and being susceptible to the external world of physical/non-physical forces around us. He's relating his experiences, just as we all strive to do.

[Banshee]

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You know the story, Feed a man and you feed him for a day, teach him to produce his own food and you feed him for life.
So the intelligent answer to the problems of the world is education, positive thinking, respect etc.

What do you think the ramifications would be if everyone in the Western world agreed to farm their own food? Meaning, whatever amount of land you have, you will commit yourself to forgoing landscaping, swimming pools or a luxury lifestyle( by third world standards) and will instead cultivate every inch of your personal land for your personal food use with the understanding that the resulting surplus from institutional farming will go to agriculturally disadvantaged people ( meaning the land is not fit to farm)? Someone here posted not so long ago, that for every person in the Western world, there are six people in developing nations essentially serving as our slaves. What would happen if we were to flip that dynamic and commit ourselves to being as completely self sufficient as possible so that no one would have to be selectively eliminated? Should the burden be on those who were born into more fortunate circumstances? What else would you give up to fix it? Personally speaking, I would give my life to fix it if it would.

[Banshee]

Let me add a few observations concerning this interview.

Charles is clear on stating he is not a scientist, researcher, or organizer of any kind in relation to the inner-group he speaks of. He is a practical and rational problem solver, working on specific objectives, with an established set of highly interesting colleagues. Charles doesn't explain the topics he has been "briefed" on because he isn't a scientist, researcher, or organizer. He is aware that it would be ill-informed of him to do so. He's relating his particular experiences and knowledge from his particular position within this system.

The fact that parts of his testimony are already known throughout varying elements of the "alternative media circuit" shouldn't work to discredit him, but instead hint toward the possibility of another layer of corroboration.

We must remember this to be an introductory interview, of sorts, as the possibility for future engagements doesn't seem to be out of the question. One could assume that if further interviews occur, Charles may very well go into greater detail and explain much more of what he's encountered.

This isn't to say that Charles has the complete story or the highest vantage point. Or that every statement he makes is completely correct. We're all human; we're all capable of making mistakes, misjudging situations, and being susceptible to the external world of physical/non-physical forces around us. He's relating his experiences, just as we all strive to do.

Dale,

You write so well and succinctly. Its a shame that you spend most of your time moderating the forum. Your words simply flow.

[greybeard]

What do you think the ramifications would be if everyone in the Western world agreed to farm their own food? Meaning, whatever amount of land you have, you will commit yourself to forgoing landscaping, swimming pools or a luxury lifestyle( by third world standards) and will instead cultivate every inch of your personal land for your personal food use with the understanding that the resulting surplus from institutional farming will go to agriculturally disadvantaged people ( meaning the land is not fit to farm)? Someone here posted not so long ago, that for every person in the Western world, there are six people in developing nations essentially serving as our slaves. What would happen if we were to flip that dynamic and commit ourselves to being as completely self sufficient as possible so that no one would have to be selectively eliminated? Should the burden be on those who were born into more fortunate circumstances? What else would you give up to fix it? Personally speaking, I would give my life to fix it if it would.

While I said teach a man to feed himself that is a simplification, self supporting is more accurate, however its all energy so there would be an exchange of energy, energy being also abilities. Not simple but possible.
A change in consciousness is also needed because at the moment the average person is self seeking and self centered.
A more advanced spiritual thinking is the realization that the happiness and love we all seek is not found in material possessions or wealth beyond that which we need for a comfortable life. All is found within, not dependent on another to make us happy or anything else, enjoying the contribution another makes to our life is of a different essence.
Chris
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[Banshee]

I just read Kerry's post. Kerry has a vested interest in maintaining the party line that has served a select few but misinformed so many. It is very clear why Bill and Kerry have taken different paths. They are the proverbial "chalk and cheese". The 33 did them a favor in inserting a "divisor". Meaning no disrespect, it is clear to me by virtue of her site, that Kerry is running a business and that Bill by virtue of his open mind and heart, is providing a service. Which POV is the more credible? Ok, come on, let me have it :)

[gripreaper]

For the most part, I found that there was nothing new or revelatory in this interview. I would agree that all this information is not all compiled in one place, yet those with both hemispheres of their brain wired and in balance with an open chakra system can easily find it on the internet, collate the information and distill it down to a synopsis. I think most Avalonians fall into this category of consciousness.

Zookumar, Agape, Viking, TraineeHuman, Akenaten, undeadpixel and others have done excellent commentary, and I would only add an analogy to help clarify.

If we could screen each being on the planet through Kilarian photography and look at their chakras, we would be able to tell who is psychopathic and who is empathic. The real difference lies in the fact that the top 33 bloodlines and their minions operate from the lower terrestrial chakras and have no heart connection, with only a rudimentary connection to a polarized state of the upper celestial chakras. Some have characterized them as reptilian, only capable of animal instincts. Do you blame a scorpion for stinging you with its tail?

Yet, an empathic human has access to all their chakras, and those with the ultimate dream, the ultimate future, filter everything through the great transducer chakra known as the heart, which is the frequency and vibration that exists in all things. It only takes a remnant of empaths to steer the energetic matrix. This is where I resonate with Bill.

Having said that, those who begin life as humans and have the ability to be empathic can in the first two years of life be deprogrammed and turned into psychopaths and used as cannon fodder for the industrial machine, which I believe Charles has succumbed to.

Is Charles playing Bill or has Charles finally grown a conscience? The only reference I have for this is my many years exposed to Primal Therapy. For those of you who remember the Primal Scream, the best seller written by Arthur and Vivian Janov back in the seventies, this statement may ring true to you. Well, one day in group the question was posited to Vivian (this was mid 2000’s after 40 years of her experience and thousands of patients), “is it possible that there are those who cannot be helped or cured?” And her answer was, yes, there are those that cannot be helped, but those that can always be helped are those who had SOMEONE SOMEWHERE in the early years of infancy and up to 2 years old who showed them love, then they can connect back to that (paraphrased)

So, my own point of view is that I would have to know the full details of Charles first two years of life to determine if he is “rehabilitatable” or not, and I’m pretty sure Bill knows what he’s doing, and whether or not he can sense Charles’ heart chakra and not be deceived.

Having said that, these psychopathic top 33 bloodlines believe they have the divine right to rule this planet because they came here thousands of years ago and embedded all the advanced knowledge into the indigenous species through genetic manipulation, giving us the DNA to reproduce like rabbits, and it is their duty and responsibility to cull the herd that they unintentionally exploded to 7 billion. We are their creation. If you study the cuneiform tablets of the Sumerians, the book of Enoch, Plato’s works, as well as Zechariah Stitchen, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion and others, the origins of mankind, the manipulations, the cataclysms, etc. history has been here before. Eugenics and DNA manipulation is nothing new.

The only difference is that last time on Atlantis, the nuclear holocaust knocked out all of the elite’s technology and it took 13,000 years to get it back. This is why they are currently so brazen and have moved out in plain sight and are no longer hidden in their secret societies. It is also why there will be no nukes used this time. They know how tenacious we can be when provoked.

In order to get a clear picture, one must stand back from the canvas far enough and only move closer for inspecting the portions that one needs to clarify, while keeping a long term big picture view. Is it moral or ethical to cull the herd? Not even a question in the mind of a psychopath. That is only a consideration of an empath.

So, let’s keep our perspective here. As an empath, my view is that real change occurs on the quantum energetic level where the photons coalesce, and therefore we can create any type of future we want. We have the power. With the acceleration of energies in the universe happening exponentially and the “tipping point” of the 100th monkey rapidly approaching, we are about to collectively choose. Am I packin my bags and headin for Ecuador? No, I want to be close to my loved ones and do what I can to help them. Do I have lots of food and guns? Your damn right I do. I’m aware, I’m awake and I’ve made my choice so no one can say it won’t be a fun ride and I hope I don’t have to eat hamburger with legs! My intention is to ascend in consciousness and emanate from within me out into the universe, with as much power and resonance as I can muster!

It’s all just experience anyway from the big picture viewpoint. Did you think the annunaki showing up here thousands of years ago was an accident, or do you think it was the will of the collective consciousness? Why do you think the movie Avatar resonated with so many people? Same as today. Whatever the collective will intents energetically is what we will manifest. We can choose what human 2.0 looks like, or not! We all have the DNA memory imprint from the last time we did this, so at least we can hope that those memories are taken into consideration!

[Etherios]

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So from one side to the other? there is no middle ground? Now we have big guys making more cheaper faster with slave workers just to feed few fat (mentally and psycically) ppl. Or we go to self supporting ... which is NOT POSSIBLE at the moment.

I really think that this planet can support humankind and many more extra humans that might get born in the future. We just have to think differently. Not waste 2-3 times what we need ... not make things that break fast sell high and waste alot.

The food consumptions of western worlds is terrifying. What wastes a high class restaurant produces everyday is enough to feed hole villages in india or africa. Dogs and cats eat more than ppl, we buy more that we can ever consume just for the shake of buying... PPL have to change we have to stop destroying our selves and the planet. Population reduction isnt the answer its just the fast easy solution till we get to the same pop lvls... oh wait we wont cause we will be all biorobots controled and monitored...

I read somewhere that there is enough room in just Australia to house all the population of the planet ... i think they calculated the land etc cant remember numbers. Humans dont need huge huge estates with 10 rooms and pools etc etc...

At the moment what we luck to feed everyone on the planet is energy. Can you say free abandunt energy? Well hope you know understand why they wont let us have that. Imagine greenhouses with water plantations in the USA deserts ... all you need is cooling systems to work nonstop energy costs atm makes it impossible... Need water ? Use the sea water and have plants cleaning the water from the seas... not possible atm cause of energy costs. I can go on and on but i am sure you still think this planet cant support 7 bill ppl right? WE cant have 7-10 bill estate owners thats for sure.

Raise the living standards on all the planet and see population stabilizing even reducing in time ... then again you will have many "uncontroled" ppl and we cant have that can we?

[Opal]

<<why are we still allowed to reincarnate on this planet>> I have asked myself this question again and again without a satisfactory answer, until now. It is becoming evident to me that whoever started this experiment (us) on this planet are sufficiently powerful as to re-direct our souls (energy) into the planet again and again...all because they see us as something malfunctioning - not up to be released to the next level! Maybe I'm wrong, but something very strong in my heart tells me this is the case.

Hi Bluegate,

I agree with you there 100% as my Heart also tells me that :yes4:

[qbeac]

I just read Kerry's post. Kerry has a vested interest in maintaining the party line that has served a select few but disinformed so many.…
Hi Banshee, I’ve also read Kerry’s post, but I don’t see why you say she is “maintaining the party line”. I’m not sure I understand what you are referring to…??? Are you perhaps saying Bill’s point of view is more correct than Kerry’s one?

Please, could you elaborate on that and give some specific examples of what things you think Kerry might be wrong or disinformed about, and what things Bill might be correct about?

Thanks.

P.S. I am simply curious about it, I have my own view point, I am not sure if I am more or less correct and I am trying to learn and have a clearer view of the big picture. In summary, my view point is that the Anglo Saxon Mission is pretty much correct (*1), perhaps not 100%, but close. But I may be wrong, I don’t know.

(*1) Including the possible 2012 cataclsym but not necessarily exactly on 2012, it could be plus or minus X number or years (2013, 15, 50… etc.).

I’ve explained my view point with more detail in this post:

Post 151, pag. 16. Does “The Anglo Saxon Mission” version of 2012 make more sense than Charles’ version?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10234-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-a-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview&p=88128&viewfull=1#post88128

[OneLittleFrog]

No need to 'let you have it' Banshee (although a good stoning is still popular in some quarters :)). I've followed Bill's interviews more than Kerry's, but I'm really struggling with this whole Charles/33 thing. Kerry's response was, for me, wonderfully blunt and on-target ---- for starters, contradicting Bill's statement that 'the 33' were following a path of non-interference.

I hope we have room for varying opinions; on this particular episode, Kerry's words make far more sense to me. However, I want to believe Bill knows where he's going with this - or at least where he wants it to go - if the dialogue with Charles continues. We'll see.

[Banshee]

Those of us living in a world wherein we can share our thoughts and desires via a medium such as this have absolutely no idea what it is to live the other reality. We are spoiled and if we don't awaken to our self indulgent ways, it will be our demise. We need to work until our knuckles bleed. Only then will things just begin to equalize. We need to do away with that we do not need. Its the only way.

[Fractalius]

What is disclosure? what ought be disclosure?
What is there to disclose? truth? lies? the unknown? that which we might already know?
Whose disclosure? of what? Telling every one every thing? Things that can't be understood by the telling?
In the same breath nobody knows what is going to happen next. This is because everyone tends to still all be in the fishbowl, relating to things from within the paradigm.
This interview perhaps hints at a certain sort of disclosure, one that is probably considered by some as unintentional even. It may prove to disclose the mind and the eye of those wishing to present the angle presented. It may confirm the smallness and narrowness as being a product of a particular habitual side of the human condition. There is no fault necessarily for this in each individual who considers themselves one of these PTB, for in ways we are being disclosed things about our 'selves'. Disclosure of the fear and need for self preservation.

I have sat here reading most of the replies on the two related threads, and have seen some great points made. Over the time I had many things to add and agree on. The humorous thing I continuously find is the willingness to forget that our own mind body construct is the greatest piece of gadgetry and technological wizardry that is absolutely no match for the so called big guns.

[truthseekerdan]

Don’t be too taken in by some of his stories…Most of what he presents as he has stated, we all know about…this is a very clever man and knows exactly how to embed an idea into your mindset…yes he speaks a lot of truth but he very cleverly mixes these truths with a few typical mind conditioning to sway your thought patterns in another direction…he is right that they give us clues for all to work out and decipher, and we have been doing so… to say that we are outnumbered and they can do more or less whatever they want is absolutely rubbish!! don’t let anyone tell you this, we are all in control of what we want out of life. Like I have said many times before don’t buy into this boxed in thought projection of being helpless and that there is an outside group of people that controls us and outnumber us massively. OLD GAME, this is the new game now... We are the change and we can change the shape of the ‘play’ in any way we want. Our collective thoughts will take us where we want to go.


viking

I have to agree with you on this Viking. We must learn how to switch off or temporarily ignore any subtle programming or imagery by others (including Charles), if we are ever going to recapture our own individual identity.

We are in total control of our mind so we should never let another human being fill our mind with fear, uncertainty, doubt or mental waste. There is no battle between good and evil. There is only difference. By allowing our mind to dwell on polarizing symbolism such as the good and evil model, we allow ourselves to keep participating in the subservient deeds of those we may not even know.

The checks and balances of the good and evil model provide the illusion of fear, uncertainty, doubt, luck or misfortune in our life. Pass no judgment and these phantasms of deception and control, have no basis. Truth cannot be described and it cannot be explained. It must be experienced. When we think of ourselves as only physical beings, we eventually experience depression.

Modify, impair or change the human mind and you reduce, increase, or modify the mind's ability to function independently. Our mind needs us to take charge of our obsessions, desires and cravings. To do this we must attach our mind to the most recognizable thought we have and that is the thought of our own real identity as an individual. Stay strong, we can collectively change this paradigm...

Blessings to all in 2011 ~ :love: ~ Dan

[timerty]

Let me give you all one last advice.

The truth has to be verified by multiple groups of people because truth does not relate only to one person. This is why Dolores Cannon and her hypnotized groupie are the most accurate source of information for the state of the future. Her greatest weakness is that she is afraid to offend others beliefs.

[Bright Garlick]

Bill, thanks for presenting this material.

I am listening to this video as we speak and would like to provide an adjunct to your summary of Charle's comments.

There is a group of 50 odd aliens who reside on the planet with a specific role of protection (not of us specifically but of other aliens), who through a group of 9 representatives make choices about the day to day wellbeing of this planet and it's biological life forms (on a large scale). They are but one of a number of groups that fit under the umbrella of Powers that Be. There is another group, who have more direct control of events on the planet. This group, looks up to a single individual - an alien. He is not a Leader or a Chair or President as such - he is one they all respect and look up to. These aliens as such bear no resemblance to any form of malevolent control group - as in the likes of David Icke. They and their species have been part of life on our planet for eons. They have our best interests at heart. Where things become confusing is that there is numerous human groups who have self interest at heart. These make the workings of this secondary group more difficult.

Charles reminds me of Rachel Bree (who you know about Bill). I'll listen to the rest of this and maybe comment more later. I will also speak about this subject during the year on my Otherworldly Encounters blog http://otherworldyencounters.wordpress.com/ . Timing is the critical issue and moving carefully in response to what is allowed.

Thanks Bill for a nice interview. Great questions. :cool:

[bashi]

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The only real dis-info I could pick up from Charles was that "GMO Food is a Good Thing" and helps produce more food. I really don't think Charles had a real handle on this subject and/or he was pushing the PTB agenda on this subject.

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nice post.
i think you should watch that part again. Charles explained that the GMO will be sold with that argument, which will brand anybody critizing GMO as "evil", as they would be responsible for starvation. He tried to point out the devious method of argumentation.

[bluestflame]

seems a favourite tactic of the elite , accessing fear based programming of the masses, through trigger words and pointing to opposition and calling them evil

worked through the crusades , through the "burning times" the spanish inquisition ....

gotta watch that tricky pointing finger

[grapevine]

I totally agree with everything jaybee says and am worried for Bill's welfare. Charles came across like a psychopath to me. I'd like to ask Gary McKinnon what he thought of Charles too!

[zenith]

Hi Bill,

I ask that following any post of these messages that a link to the source be provided
so that readers may follow up on the authenticity of the message and/or the messenger.


:lol:

ps; for new members, the above is the last sentence from the disclaimer in the channeling section.

[Anchor]

Only just watched the interview. It was 303Mb (@360p resolution) so it would have consumed over half my satellite bandwidth for the month, so it was a good job I waited until I was on a faster high capacity link!

On watching the video, I concluded that:

Either the paradigm has changed sufficiently well that the elite cant control their "tools" any-more (he refers, to "the situation changing") or you are being played and should be quite careful


just watched it....I'm not feeling comfortable about 'Charles'....the word

Agree with jaybee!

Other feedback... on a minor technical point, it would probably be helpful for future recorded interviews if you could find a microphone technique that did not pick up on your breathing noises so much (sorry to be personal, but it would help to avoid it).

This thread has been fascinating.

John..

PS: Maybe JOE90 [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_90 ] would have been a better name for Charles :)

[bashi]

Because this is not a question, I am writing it here:
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PLEASE remember everybody,

WE create this reality.
For eons, we have been led and corralled to create a reality of their description.
So, be careful that you do NOT continue.
Otherwise, this interview will have served their purpose all too well.

Thank you,

jeanna

I have a problem with these conscious creationonist theories.
You assume to know that you create this actual reality, and still you are afraid that it might develop into the “wrong” direction? If it does so, blame yourself, because this is not part of my reality.

[bluestflame]

a perspective about creating our reality with every thought , from the musical "TIME" with sir lawrence olivier


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38qJLMkvBlE

mods , if it's deemed inappropriate please do what is needed ( after viewing of course)

[elysian]

I believe Charles is right in many things he states, however after watching this interview twice now it has become rather clear to me what the agenda is. Its obvious the "33" does not want us to learn what potential lies within each and everyone of us. Its obvious that the tactics here are to make us believe that we have lost and that there is no point resisting the inevitable. Not once in this interview is there talk of any spirituality and the power of manifestation that is within all of us. When speaking of 2012 Charles only mentioned how the apocalyptic sense of it is untrue but I think that he very intentionally did not mention the spiritual side of things. I think the focus should not be on how we can work a way to convince the "33" to disclose things or to cooperate with us. We have to remember that the power to create the world we want is in the collective consciousness and the "33" knows this. So to me it feels like they are stearing us away from focusing on our own abilities to make a difference.

[Fractalius]

There's lots of life out there, worms and hedgehogs, salmon in the river, rabbits, snails and slugs, heaps of seeds of all sorts of edible plants Including self seeding vegetables on mass... Spider webs that have been built and maintained for years at no cost to the tax payer. Fantastic rock formations that slowly measure the effect of some form of 'time'. My reality is sure to be very different to someone who has a lifetime burden of royal proportions. I am light and unconcerned with the various threats on offer, I am peaceful yet tenacious. Passionate, wise, loving, inventive. No one is the ruler of my world. :kiss:
The decision that the truth was too harmful for people to know was flawed. It should have been considered as incremental. Although in fact, it was and is. But when it is a secret, secrets grow, and they get to be even more of a burden and a distortion. I can understand how say; politicians inherit the burden of past secrets and lies and can have their hands tied by the enormity of it, and the imaginings of the repercussions on disclosure. Business ends up being an entity of its own, like a big furnace that needs to be shovelled constantly. There is no such thing as a company content to stay the same size.

[Banshee]

No need to 'let you have it' Banshee (although a good stoning is still popular in some quarters :)). I've followed Bill's interviews more than Kerry's, but I'm really struggling with this whole Charles/33 thing. Kerry's response was, for me, wonderfully blunt and on-target ---- for starters, contradicting Bill's statement that 'the 33' were following a path of non-interference.

I hope we have room for varying opinions; on this particular episode, Kerry's words make far more sense to me. However, I want to believe Bill knows where he's going with this - or at least where he wants it to go - if the dialogue with Charles continues. We'll see.

A rough analogy that reflects my opinion is that when Kerry connects the dots, I see a Jackson Pollock and when Bill connects the dots, a Monet. The Monet is often impressionistic with hidden images but is a discernable view of reality. With Kerry’s work, I hear dissonance , Bill’s work resonates with me. I do not want to specifically state which of Kerry’s positions is bad information in my opinion because it would just be an opinion ( as was Kerry’s of the Charles interview). I do want to edit out the word disinformation, because it does have negative connotations and that was not my intention.

[Banshee]

Hi Banshee, I’ve also read Kerry’s post, but I don’t see why you say she is “maintaining the party line”. I’m not sure I understand what you are referring to…??? Are you perhaps saying Bill’s point of view is more correct than Kerry’s one?

Please, could you elaborate on that and give some specific examples of what things you think Kerry might be wrong or disinformed about, and what things Bill might be correct about?

Thanks.

P.S. I am simply curious about it, I have my own view point, I am not sure if I am more or less correct and I am trying to learn and have a clearer view of the big picture. In summary, my view point is that the Anglo Saxon Mission is pretty much correct (*1), perhaps not 100%, but close. But I may be wrong, I don’t know.

(*1) Including the possible 2012 cataclsym but not necessarily exactly on 2012, it could be plus or minus X number or years (2013, 15, 50… etc.).

I’ve explained my view point with more detail in this post:

Post 151, pag. 16. Does “The Anglo Saxon Mission” version of 2012 make more sense than Charles’ version?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10234-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-a-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview&p=88128&viewfull=1#post88128

A rough analogy that reflects my opinion is that when Kerry connects the dots, I see a Jackson Pollock and when Bill connects the dots, a Monet. The picture is often impressionistic with hidden images but is a discernable view of reality. With Kerry’s work, I hear dissonance , Bill’s resonates with me. I do not want to specifically state which of Kerry’s positions is bad information in my opinion because it would just be an opinion ( as was Kerry’s of the Charles interview). I do want to edit out the word disinformation, because it does have negative connotations and that was not my intention.

[timerty]

Dale,

You write so well and succinctly. Its a shame that you spend most of your time moderating the forum. Your words simply flow.

Yes, we all get that Dale is very marriageable. My proposal ring is already in the mail.

[Banshee]

Yes, we all get that Dale is very marriageable. My proposal ring is already in the mail.

Not sure what you meant by that. It was intended to be a true compliment. His words are eloquent, yet easy to read. No garbled thinking

[Dogma]

A few thoughts after watching this absolutely riveting interview:

a) Charles is a dangerous sociopath. I don't think he'd mind me saying so, either. (After all, what could be worse than a henchman for the Illuminati?)

b) His reason for befriending Bill (i.e. he couldn't "figure Bill out") is, I think, absurd and transparently false. It is just a flattering pretense for some other end, (for example, he may be playing Good Cop to get Bill to behave and/or to frighten him...)

c) That he is somehow representing the Big 33 as a goodwill ambassador is again, likely false.

d) I also don't believe his explanation, if I understood him correctly, that these underground bases are for widespread famine alone. I think he knows that a solar or polar event is immanent and for whatever reason he is playing it down.

Bill, I commend you for your work. I don't doubt that you have considered all the above and I pray that you keep your wits in this chess game, because frankly, we NEED YOU!

[qbeac]

A few thoughts after watching this absolutely [QUOTE=Dogma;88321]A few thoughts after watching this absolutely riveting interview:………

d) I also don't believe his explanation, if I understood him correctly, that these underground bases are for widespread famine alone. I think he knows that a solar or polar event is immanent and for whatever reason he is playing it down……….
I very much agree with Dogma when he/she says:


d) I also don't believe his explanation, if I understood him correctly, that these underground bases are for widespread famine alone. I think he knows that a solar or polar event is immanent and for whatever reason he is playing it down.
I’ve already explained my point of view about this subject: that even though I do not know what will hapeen in 2012 (or a few years before or after), it seems to me that perhaps the version of events explained in the Anglo Saxon Mission about the alleged 2012 scenario (and/or possible cataclysm) makes more sense than Charles’s version of 2012. And that’s one of the red flags I felt while listening to Charles’ interview.

I have elaborated a bit more on this subject in this post:

Post 151, pag. 16. Does “The Anglo Saxon Mission” version of 2012 make more sense than Charles’ version?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10234-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-a-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview&p=88128&viewfull=1#post88128

[sygh]

Dear Bill, and Charles;

Thank you both for your time. Out of all of this, I find it hard to believe the 33 are such defeatists. It seems to me, the problem as to whether or not we can clean up the earth, and most certainly would rather try than not, lays in the hands of the people who hold the power and technology. Am I to believe we have a bunch of fluffballs at the helm?

From where I stand, I have witnessed many people who have sat in pivitol positions of power and done nothing more than lie through their teeth to the public, while taking as much as they could stuff in their pockets, and then running for cover in places like Paraguay and Dubai. Of the 427, who are the 33? Further, are you telling us that cowards like the above mentioned are the type who will be saved, should the **** hit the fan? Are we to believe they are the cream of the crop? And as far as the grand experiment is concerned, there is no such thing as non-partisipation, just as there is no excuse not to tell the truth today, based on the lie that was told yesterday.

As for being given 20 seconds, no matter what can be said on this side, the ball still sits on their side of the court, and though it looks as though we are both on the same side, until some things get cleared up, and the faster the better, it also looks as if we are at odds.

The things that could be done would be amazing, so raise the flag, give the word. Let's do this. What are we waiting for? I think the 33 are afraid, just like we are. So, what do you want us to do, freeze in the headlights? Pick each other off, one by one? Eat our own? What is wrong with you people? Why is it so hard to believe the 33 aren't up to the challenge? And you talk about the common man turning soft, I think you are too far removed to see the palms of my hands. Why would you turn and run? What is it you see?

[Deega]

Hi Bill,

Great interview, you never lost your cool!, unfortunately, he manipulated the discussion most of the time, and you demonstrated a great civility, all to your merit!

Here is a few comments that I have of listening to more than half of the video, I had difficulty picking precisely every words he was saying. And also, some comments on your introductory remarks.


He's spent many years working for the elite group that considers it their responsibility to run the planet.

Whoua!, that is one great challenge, hope for the better here..., look like the pursuit of the underground Financial World hold-on here.

Well, since when do this group of 33 have decided to run the planet, did this happening been ongoing for a while...?, why.., to perpetuate the power dominance over people or something altogether pureor...!

There are only a few groups who can run the planet. IMHO, the first group is the planet itself with the unconditional help of the Moon, the Sun, and manifestedly the Universe. Then there is the undergrown governments who could work together to annihilate manking, but they would be included just the same, so they won’t go at it. And then, collaborately, the Financial World have the power to have a go at it. And on a less evident perspective, the other worlds (ET, Religious notable figues, Jesus, Budda, Mohamet) may (no scientific evidence and channelers are questioned) have a way...!, less likely!


The group of 33 that 'Charles' works with is indirectly using this opportunity to communicate.

Don’t one feel that if the group of 33 has the responsibility to run the planet, they wouldn’t have the necessity to communicate, their power, their domination, they surely don’t need to talk to a group or groups...!, of 1,280+ members...!, not that I'm not impress but think about this...!

There are 33 levels in the FreeMasons hierarchy, would there be a connection, would there be a link, would there be underground movement of the FreeMasons...?


Clean water, clean air, clean oceans, free energy, abundant wildlife, health and education for every human being.

Yes!, don’t we all strive for that, and still the Financial World will continue to make it a profitable venture to continue, wouldn’t we be acting similarly if we were in their shoes...?



Planet Earth could be a paradise planet — a model for this sector of the galaxy.

We are in a paradise planet, there are a few things that stand along the way, we have basic needs to survive, and we need to have a mean of getting it, so the invention of money (work (money) – meet basic needs), we have a great goal here!

Our society need to change the Education system, our cultural values, our mean of exchange, and a lot of other things that was put up to control the masses.



Charles first contacted me because he had been ordered to 'deal with me'. I had become a 'problem', and he tells this story in the interview. The attempt to take Project Camelot down had, to some degree, failed: there was initially one problem, but now (with the 'amoeba splitting') there were two. But as Charles discovered more, he changed his own priorities.

I find this comments from Charles ludicrous, how can such a powerful organization could not shut down Project Camelot...?, does it tell you that the power manifest he’s venting is lesser than we think...? To all due respect, Project Camelot is one great endeavour that I love, and I would mourn for years if ever it closed, but it can compared with the like of Microsoft, IBM, AT&T, etc... He is playing with your ego here and it works.


After that, all kinds of drama ensued. Charles was obliged to 'run', landing up in jail in Nigeria... and broke out to return to the UK where he was eventually required to report back to his colleagues. He is now, to quite some degree, operating to facilitate communications both ways between myself and the controlling group.

IMHO, I think that there is manipulation here...!


I ask all of you reading this, and watching the video, to join me in a vision for Planet Earth in which every human being, no-one excluded, plays their part in creating.

In the video, he mentioned a lot of things and some I find overwhelmingly egoistic, “he has the world on his shoulders”, “his first time playing golf and he whip the guy out”, also the one mentioned above.

If the Earth energy, the Moon energy, and the Sun transmission of Solar Rays, the Cosmic waves remained as we have seen for centuries, not much will happened in 2012. If a planet, comet is on our way, we will have to lived with it, speculating on what will happened doesn’t bring anything new.

IMHO, the vision for Planet Earth is one of oneness, unfortunately, we are not there yet! It’s one where people are liberated from their basic needs and they can do things that will help society, help people, we are miles, miles from that happening.

A better sociatal orientation of our Education system such that valuating “resources” is of importance. Change our culture such that we strive to help people in needs. But, as you know, all this don’t stand in line with the greed, the power grabber, the domination of the Financial World. So I think that we will have to go at it slowly but surely, one increment at a time!

All my blessings.

Deega

[000]

I've done a lot of thinking and feeling out of this interview for the past couple days. My own conclusion is that, whether or not Charles is absolutely genuine or he is not, the situation in the world is what it is and not one of us need bow down to whatever 'powers' there are. Whether this is an experiment or not, a 'game' or not, it is as David Icke mentions, us, the base of the pyramid, who hold up the top and not the other way around.

I wanted to point out something very basic and important and that is karma or action/reaction. If we see karma as action/reaction and know that every action has an equal and opposite reaction, we can therefore also know with certainty that the karmic debt that TPTB have accrued, via their many actions, will indeed be balanced at some point as the reaction to their action comes back to them.

In addition to this debt, the longer they keep it up, the more intense the reaction (equal and opposite, remember). I liken it to taking a bottle of air and bringing it to the bottom of a body of water. The deeper the bottle is taken, the more the bottle will want to rise back to the top to reach equilibrium. At this point TPTB have taken the bottle very very deep and it now has quite the irresistible desire to rise to the water's surface.

This action/reaction is simply and infinitely inescapable and does not discriminate. It is merely how Nature operates. It does not matter what this '33' or any other group of would be controllers do for it will 100% come back to haunt them in a manner equally as intense as they have cast into the world for thousands of years. Whether they are under 'directions' from a malevolent group of ETs or not, whether they are an Earthly bloodline or not, they will be paying back their debt at some point. If indeed they are performing a grand experiment or game, they will find that the experiment will come back to them, that the game will play them.

Also, another little analogy; when a stone is cast into water the waves which radiate outwards grow larger than the stone itself. If we see TPTB as a stone (or a group of different stones causing the waves to create interference patterns) and we see the waves as the perception of stone's existence, we can gauge that the stone is actually not at all as powerful as the waves may lead us to believe. We are the water that the waves travel through as a meme of perception. TPTB rely on their waves to travel far and grow larger so that psychologically it appears they actually have power, when it is not power they hold, it is in fact power that is borrowed from us, the water, using psychological cunning. When we take back the power they have borrowed/stolen, the power they never actually had, their wave meme ceases to expand further and is weakened by interference.

This is the distilled result of my pondering triggered by this interview. A little sprig of thought-wheat to munch on. Everything is always in its right place :hug:

[Zook]

Good morning, 000, the Earth says hello!



[...]
In addition to this debt, the longer they keep it up, the more intense the reaction (equal and opposite, remember). I liken it to taking a bottle of air and bringing it to the bottom of a body of water. The deeper the bottle is taken, the more the bottle will want to rise back to the top to reach equilibrium. At this point TPTB have taken the bottle very very deep and it now has quite the irresistible desire to rise to the water's surface.
[...]
Also, another little analogy; when a stone is cast into water the waves which radiate outwards grow larger than the stone itself. If we see TPTB as a stone (or a group of different stones causing the waves to create interference patterns) and we see the waves as the perception of stone's existence, we can gauge that the stone is actually not at all as powerful as the waves may lead us to believe. We are the water that the waves travel through as a meme of perception.
[...]


Both excellent analogies!!!

:smow::smow::typing::smow:

ps: To extend your thought, the bigger the stone the bigger the ripples. But ultimately, the ripples will be interfered out of existence. So even the bigger stone has to resurface and reposition itself periodically above the waterline, to drop again and disperse anew, e.g. to show its water-moving power. Of course, each time the stone hits the water it gets smaller, such is the power of water. Repetition of this process of rising and dropping - by the power-lusting stone intent on controlling the water - will inevitably result in the stone being smoothed to a pebble by the water. If it doesn't then realize its personal dimension, the pebble is destined to become even smaller; ultimately, ending up as a grain in the moving silt at the bottom of the body of water. When that happens, control shifts to the water. No longer possessing the ability to move the water, the silted grain is now destined to be moved by the water. The moral of this story is that if the big stone had abandoned its lust after the first few iterations of the rise and drop power cycle, it would still have formidable recognition at the bottom of the body of water. After all, the water would still be obliged to curl around the big stone resting on the floorbed. By contrast, a silted grain is obliged to move with the water on the push of the slightest current. In this analogy, water represents the collective medium that takes and receives energy from all the individuated stones (from a large boulder to a silt grain). Here, it helps to think about Nassim Haramein and his fractal model of the Universe (e.g. specifically, his measurement of the density of the vacuum).

[Carmody]

"philosophy of non-interference."

Does not mean act of non-interference. Or reaction of non-interference.

Cross a boundary and thus...discover it's existence. Boundaries cannot be illustrated, for in a open ended experiment -that can and would cause undue coloration of results. No warnings or shaping prior to the event that brings about any response or involvement. If any action creates a response then the response has to do as little damage to the experiment's potentials as is possible, while still correcting the fault.

SOP in Experimental methodology. No-one (or no system of logic) says that such methods hold true in all situations but the test fit of such an expectation compared to experiments in the human realm ......does suggest that such logic holds true in a multitude of potential situations.

[Banshee]

Clean water, clean air, clean oceans, free energy, abundant wildlife, health and education for every human being.

Yes!, don’t we all strive for that, and still the Financial World will continue to make it a profitable venture to continue, wouldn’t we be acting similarly if we were in their shoes...?

Historically speaking, human kind has not strived for the above. They might have hoped for it, or hoped that someone else was thinking about it to alleviate their individual responsibility.

From the soles of our shoes to the tires on our cars, the paint on our walls, and our extreme self indulgences...... have we really, as individuals made our decisions with the best interest of the Earth and our futures? The fact that the 33 allowed it to happen and even benefitted from it makes them more culpable than we. The reality might be that they inherited this mess from their ancestors as did we. That does not mean that they should be following in the footsteps of their ill-informed forebeares by exercising their perceived omnipotence by committing selective genocide. " To whom much is given, much is expected". It is time for them to give back what they have hoarded, change their world view, change industry and eliminate greed. If the "kings of the hill" were to suddently disavow the monetary system as it currently is and were to start placing value on the Earth's potential, all of the little monkeys would follow suit. Monkey see, monkey do.

[Ixopoborn]

Today is my first visit to Avalon in a few days and I have just finished watching Bill’s interview and digesting the comments on this thread, many of which include some very strong and well made points. I too thought it was a great interview.

Firstly, as on many prior occasions, I find myself deeply grateful to Bill for finding and nurturing Charles as a contact and now as a witness. Unlike a number of Avalonians who have commented so far, I found Charles very credible indeed.

For me, this is an extremely important interview – the most significant new work done by Bill or Kerry since their bust up, in my opinion. The most dramatic new ground broken in the interview for me stems from the fact that this is the first time a paid “fixer” has come forward on the record. Charles revealed sociopathic tendencies very well during the interview and this makes his claim to have worked for the controllers credible. His description of the way he would go about his work is brilliantly emotionless.

I think Charles is the real deal but what of his motive? Why does he want to waste his time doing an interview to get his message across to a depressingly small proportion of the world’s population? Certainly not because he thinks anything he reveals will be helpful to the masses! It strikes me that Charles may just be serving as a messenger from the controllers to us – the minuscule group of humans who are aware of the big control agenda but not part of the 33 blood lines. I got the impression that he, wittingly or not, has been allowed to speak to deliver a message to explain to us why this agenda is being pursued in a way where we have to grudgingly accept it as the right course.

So where are we with this?

Samurai’s post 51 on this thread is so right when he says, “sadly, the majority are not going to wake up, they don’t even want to”.

Bilko’s post 61 reminded me of the opposite and equally compelling argument made so powerfully by James of Wingmakers.

I suspect that Charles has been allowed to speak directly to us, the miniscule few, in an experiment to see if we can be swayed or weakened by the enormously logical and correct explanation of why what they are doing is necessary. Not that they are at all concerned or worried by us and what we know. It is almost as if running this communication experiment with us is being done more as a tidying up exercise – not in any way core to their strategy.

Let the dialogue that Bill has so bravely started continue. I very much look forward to interview number 2 with Charles, assuming the controllers permit this. Hopefully Charles will loosen up and tell us a lot more.

[000]

To extend your thought, the bigger the stone the bigger the ripples. But ultimately, the ripples will be interfered out of existence. So even the bigger stone has to resurface and reposition itself periodically above the waterline, to drop again and disperse anew, e.g. to show its water-moving power. Of course, each time the stone hits the water it gets smaller, such is the power of water. Repetition of this process of rising and dropping - by the power-lusting stone intent on controlling the water - will inevitably result in the stone being smoothed to a pebble by the water. If it doesn't then realize its personal dimension, the pebble is destined to become even smaller; ultimately, ending up as a grain in the moving silt at the bottom of the body of water. When that happens, control shifts to the water. No longer possessing the ability to move the water, the silted grain is now destined to be moved by the water. The moral of this story is that if the big stone had abandoned its lust after the first few iterations of the rise and drop power cycle, it would still have formidable recognition at the bottom of the body of water. After all, the water would still be obliged to curl around the big stone resting on the floorbed. By contrast, a silted grain is obliged to move with the water on the push of the slightest current. In this analogy, water represents the collective medium that takes and receives energy from all the individuated stones (from a large boulder to a silt grain). Here, it helps to think about Nassim Haramein and his fractal model of the Universe (e.g. specifically, his measurement of the density of the vacuum).

This is an excellent expansion on the thought, zookumar! I'm going to spend some time fully absorbing this. It reveals a very important dimension to all of this that hadn't yet entered my thoughts until now. Thank you :high5:

[Abesters]

One question I am wondering about is what is this special diet that Charles mentioned?

Thanks

[jeannacav]

I have a problem with these conscious creationonist theories.
You assume to know that you create this actual reality, and still you are afraid that it might develop into the “wrong” direction? If it does so, blame yourself, because this is not part of my reality.

Well Bashi,

I was feeling that the group could use to remember this.

My point is that if we think about a calamitous end of humanity, which is what I see this interview produces in us, then we will create it.
It will be done, and it is all our fault and we can be blamed for it.
(...In the same way that over use of fossil fuels is blamed on us now, btw...)

The likes of the 33 are working in the realm of pure manipulation.
They do not do anything outright.
They do things that make us do or think in such a way that will produce the result they desire.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Oh, let me add, that they are doing what they have learned works the best.
My bet is that this will show them what to change in their manipulations in the future, and if any change is needed.

jeanna

[bilko]

Can i just add here, and its not totally out of context.
But i'm wondering if the disappearance of the honey bees is tied up in this as part of the plan with GM crops etc.
Anyway, carry on...

[shiva777]

Kerry's blog on :
"charles"

January 2, 2011

Notes on Rulers of the World interview

FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT

a review by Kerry Lynn Cassidy from Project Camelot of The Rulers of the World interview by Bill Ryan


May the best 'man' win? Is that where this is at? With the recent interview released by Bill Ryan the questions that arise are many.

According to a Source, 'Charles" is not telling the truth when he says the nuclear option is off the table. They substantiate this by referencing recent nuclear tests by France and clandestine nuclear tests that are likely going on underground in India and elsewhere. It is of course highly desirable that be the case. The shutdown of the minutemen missiles documented by Robert Salas and other recent disclosure witnesses at the National Press Club would seem to support this idea. The trouble is, the data is conflicting.

So what else about what is talked about in the interview with Charles, is questionable, in either the lack of clear information or the obfuscation of the material? The clearest statement seems to be in relation to the threat from GMO foods. The garnering of control over the seeds. But this is old news and well known in the alternative community. Monsanto and other companies have been working hard to push that agenda. The names of these companies are out there. Why the huge resistance and warning against stating the obvious? Of course who controls the seeds and the lack of heritage seeds in circulation obviously narrows the controls over those who produce the crops... And the dumbing down and weakening of immune systems and possibly a multitude of other detrimental effects all point to a very damning conclusion so much so that various European countries have simply banned the use of GMO seeds. Again this is known.

So what is going on here? This man appears to have had an interaction with some kind of AI or possibly mind control to where his original 'program' was modified so that he becomes more an agent provocateur than an outright assassin. Maybe this is just a natural trajectory. It stands to reason that bumping people off and making their lives miserable if they don't toe the line can be a very disheartening way to exist. It might even give one cancer or some incurable disease. Working for the dark side is not good for ones health it would appear.

But from what I know, this person, though it is not revealed on the screen, has gone through a kind of Jason Bourne type of experience... Where his insubordination was punished...yet he survived. From the interview we know that somehow he has managed to convince his handlers that turning him--using him to start a dialog with the 'alternative community' as we are called, is apparently considered a worthwhile exercise or experiment.

continued here

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[Dogma]

nice post.
i think you should watch that part again. Charles explained that the GMO will be sold with that argument, which will brand anybody critizing GMO as "evil", as they would be responsible for starvation. He tried to point out the devious method of argumentation.


I don't think so. He made it pretty plain that's what he thought, too (i.e. that even though it sucks, GM and population control is the only answer.

In to response of what jackovesk, says, (that this is disinfo) I don't see how that would be disinfo or even propaganda. It is a straight up cynical, Machiavellian world view and I don't think his intention was to win over any Project Camelot/Avalon enthusiasts by stating it.

[Dogma]

I think Charles is the real deal but what of his motive?

Yes, this is the most burning question for me, too. Charles hinted at a few weak reasons, i.e. his experience with that piece of 'technology' left him changed, that he wanted to kick his superiors in the nuts, his terminal illness has liberated him, that he is delivering a message for others behind the scenes, etc.

None of these rang true for me. He still clearly doesn't care about Humanity so this is not about righting a wrong... My hunch is, his intention was NOT to reach we, the viewers, but to subtly send Bill and Kerry and others like them, a message.

[Ahkenaten]

Yes, this is the most burning question for me, too. Charles hinted at a few weak reasons, i.e. his experience with that piece of 'technology' left him changed, that he wanted to kick his superiors in the nuts, his terminal illness has liberated him, that he is delivering a message for others behind the scenes, etc.

None of these rang true for me. He still clearly doesn't care about Humanity so this is not about righting a wrong... My hunch is, his intention was NOT to reach we, the viewers, but to subtly send Bill and Kerry and others like them, a message.

Dogma what is subtle about threatening Avalon, Bill and all of us? "Charles" said that TPTB will not put up with attacks on them (threat - we will financially destroy/sue/whatever) etc. What's subtle about that? His purpose was to deliver a message to all who dare object - don't bother. We are firmly in control and have only contempt for you.

[Wood]

The likes of the 33 are working in the realm of pure manipulation.
They do not do anything outright.
They do things that make us do or think in such a way that will produce the result they desire.

Why? Sometimes it is easier to just kill someone, right? Or maybe they are not allowed to do that?

[Dogma]

Dogma what is subtle about threatening Avalon, Bill and all of us? "Charles" said that TPTB will not put up with attacks on them (threat - we will financially destroy/sue/whatever) etc. What's subtle about that? His purpose was to deliver a message to all who dare object - don't bother. We are firmly in control and have only contempt for you.

It was subtle in the way he did it. In other words, "Hey Bill, I was actually supposed to make your life hell for you, but I kind of like you. So as long as I'm around, you shouldn't have any problems... By the way, you know I have a terminal illness, right?"

[Wood]

It was subtle in the way he did it. In other words, "Hey Bill, I was actually supposed to make your life hell for you, but I kind of like you. So as long as I'm around, you shouldn't have any problems... By the way, you know I have a terminal illness, right?"

That line would fit well in a Tarantino movie :)

[Ahkenaten]

That line would fit well in a Tarantino movie :)

it probably IS a movie script

[Wood]

Hahaha, very true :)

[Ahkenaten]

It is about time we laughed about SOMETHING here!!:frog:

[greybeard]

Further thoughts.
We are either in a world of illusion or we are not, in a world of Maya or not.
The 66 Charlie or whoever want us to be be led deeper into illusion because you cant be controlled when you are spiritually enlightened as per the realm of the Mystic.

Personally I would ignore him and all others of the same ilk.


There is a story of a sage in India.
Alexander the Great (I think it was) wanted to take him back with him.
He sent for him, the sage would not go to met him.
Eventually Alexander went and threatened to decapitate him if he did not acquiesce to the threats.
The enlightened sage said. "Then we will both watch my head fall to the ground".
He knew he was not the body.
All fear comes from identification with the body.
Its my body but not what I am.
I have some responsibility to look after it but its not me.
So yes we must act as though the experiences of this world are real because thats where the spiritual growth evolution occurs but we are eternal so why worry about the stories of the 66.

Chris

[Ahkenaten]

Further thoughts.
We are either in a world of illusion or we are not, in a world of Maya or not.
The 66 Charlie or whoever want us to be be led deeper into illusion because you cant be controlled when you are spiritually enlightened as per the realm of the Mystic.

Personally I would ignore him and all others of the same ilk.


There is a story of a sage in India.
Alexander the Great (I think it was) wanted to take him back with him.
He sent for him, the sage would not go to met him.
Eventually Alexander went and threatened to decapitate him if he did not acquiesce to the threats.
The enlightened sage said. "Then we will both watch my head fall to the ground".
He knew he was not the body.
All fear comes from identification with the body.
Its my body but not what I am.
I have some responsibility to look after it but its not me.
So yes we must act as though the experiences of this world are real because thats where the spiritual growth evolution occurs but we are eternal so why worry about the stories of the 66.

Chris

Here here Chris your comments cut to the heart of the matter. "Charles" is assuming the 'target audience' comes primarily from a place of fear. Our bodies are NOT who we are. The only power these people have is that we acquiesce to them. Therefor, we should not. I also agree that although people's reactions to the film is interesting and informs the group and more importantly ourselves when we examine them - we should not put much, if any energy into waiting for whatever else the guy has to say. It is giving him and perhaps others too much power. We need to let the oxygen out of that balloon.............where we put our attention is where our energies go.

[Rocky_Shorz]

It was subtle in the way he did it. In other words, "Hey Bill, I was actually supposed to make your life hell for you, but I kind of like you. So as long as I'm around, you shouldn't have any problems... By the way, you know I have a terminal illness, right?"

well he succeeded at least for a while...


The entire thing is a sting operation against Camelot. everything started back in the summer when we were attacked in multiple ways (Rense, Eagles Disobey, etc). Soon after that we were infiltrated by John Burns. Kerry bought his story and so did David WIlcock. He's an agent. I have audio recordings and 100% proof. Kerry will not hear it...

I guess we better send over the MMR to Charles and keep Bill safe for 30-40 more years... ;)

and yes, there is still a lot of pain knowing who was behind the break-up, we're big enough to forgive and forget, but want answers...

[bashi]

"even if he had slaughtered his golfing buddy in his first ever round of golf, his need to tell the world about it (Bill's interview is more or less a microphone to the world) betrays an insecurity commensurate with a low compartment. A person in a high compartment would be much more secure, and not debase their compartment by drawing attention to such a trivial fact. To me, this exposes Charles as a low-level operative."


Hi Brother Zook......I think you have hit a very interesting and revealing point here....................first as we know, Golf is the pet obsession of many, especially people who consider themselves to be amongst the elite. I often have wondered about the degree of obsession people, mostly men, have with this sport consisting of batting BALLS around a well-groomed GREEN into HOLES. In any event, 'Charles' inability to resist the impulse to brag about his Golf prowess is very telling on multiple levels.......he blew his cool here, and his overbearing ego is his Achilles' heel that can be exploited against him and undoubtedly has been. The more I think about it the less credibility I give to 'Charles' or his testimony, other than as a thinly veiled threat against any who dare oppose TPTB.

Ahk,
i think we should resist to try to hammer Charles. Although he had done things in the past, which shifted him up the power structure, that should not make him a target. He has changed and put his life on the line to change our situation.
Who on this forum will risk his/her live for the cause? Just few, believe me. Of course you have a lot of virtual-heros here, but when it comes to real S**t, then most will fail that test.
In this way you can see Charles as some one who deserves more positive credit than many here.
So lets apply some logic here:
Assumption 1: He plays a 100% devious game. What will we lose? A few hours of baseless discussion; one thread which will become useless etc
Assumption 2: He is as much on our side as he can, which can not be 100%, considering from where he is coming.

If that is the case, don’t you realise what it means?

This is HUGE.


Not only because of Charles and his risk of life, but what he represents.
This is a one time chance to preach not to the choir of forum members, but to start a serious and respectful discussion and have the chance to change things.
Imagine the following situation:
A king who is ready for a massive onslaught onto your chiefdom is sending a messenger to you for discussion. It is clear the messenger needs to be treated with importance and respect, because he represents the king. But you will start mocking about the colour of his trouser, or about his accent. You do not focus on the main thing: To get a message back to the king.
When this messenger goes back and reports your behaviour, what do you think is going to happen?

Do you REALLY know the potential loss:

Being indirectly responsible for the culling to happen, because we had our chance and we f***ed it up!!!

I don’t want to take this risc, so I assume he is on our side and whatever personal traits he has is not important here. Are we not all at different stages in this big school called EARTH?

So my appeal to all on this forum: STOP this kind of petty discussion. If you can’t really contribute positively in this unique situation, why don’t you just sit back and take a break, no offence taken, please? The absence of non-substantial discussion is also a positive contribution.


and let the heat come...


.

[Ahkenaten]

Ahk,
i think we should resist to try to hammer Charles. Although he had done things in the past, which shifted him up the power structure, that should not make him a target. He has changed and put his life on the line to change our situation.
Who on this forum will risk his/her live for the cause? Just few, believe me. Of course you have a lot of virtual-heros here, but when it comes to real S**t, then most will fail that test.
In this way you can see Charles as some one who deserves more positive credit than many here.
So lets apply some logic here:
Assumption 1: He plays a 100% devious game. What will we lose? A few hours of baseless discussion; one thread which will become useless etc
Assumption 2: He is as much on our side as he can, which can not be 100%, considering from where he is coming.

If that is the case, don’t you realise what it means?

This is HUGE.


Not only because of Charles and his risk of life, but what he represents.
This is a one time chance to preach not to the choir of forum members, but to start a serious and respectful discussion and have the chance to change things.
Imagine the following situation:
A king who is ready for a massive onslaught onto your chiefdom is sending a messenger to you for discussion. It is clear the messenger needs to be treated with importance and respect, because he represents the king. But you will start mocking about the colour of his trouser, or about his accent. You do not focus on the main thing: To get a message back to the king.
When this messenger goes back and reports your behaviour, what do you think is going to happen?

Do you REALLY know the potential loss:

Being indirectly responsible for the culling to happen, because we had our chance and we f***ed it up!!!

I don’t want to take this risc, so I assume he is on our side and whatever personal traits he has is not important here. Are we not all at different stages in this big school called EARTH?

So my appeal to all on this forum: STOP this kind of petty discussion. If you can’t really contribute positively in this unique situation, why don’t you just sit back and take a break, no offence taken, please? The absence of non-substantial discussion is also a positive contribution.


and let the heat come...


.

Bashi I agree that we should not rush to bash 'Charles' or allow the discussion to degrade into critiquing haircuts, etc. - however neither should we surrender our independent skeptical thinking. I for one think that the credibility issues have not been completely resolved, which need to be in order to proceed to the next steps - i.e. objective and critical assessment and analysis of what he said. While I have the utmost respect for Bill, at present we must 100% rely on his assessment of 'Charles' credibility which I am not 100% comfortable with. Of course given the stakes we should not miss any opportunity to work our way through to a positive result..............but it is not at all clear to me, yet, that this is a profitable avenue to explore. In the meantime surely a little humor is permitted, right?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Bluff and bravado from Charles, all piss n wind! Maybe he'd like to prove me wrong LOL

[Celine]

i sincerly hope this doesnt turn into a pissing contest....

We have a goal... We have reasons we all do what we do..

This is NOT the time to judge eachother.

[Banshee]

Dogma what is subtle about threatening Avalon, Bill and all of us? "Charles" said that TPTB will not put up with attacks on them (threat - we will financially destroy/sue/whatever) etc. What's subtle about that? His purpose was to deliver a message to all who dare object - don't bother. We are firmly in control and have only contempt for you.

Well, by Bill and Kerry's own admission of abject poverty, we can assume that " you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip". Bill has mentioned that he has repeatedly managed his life in such a way that he is not an easy target.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


That line would fit well in a Tarantino movie :)

So would the whole scene :)

[Eric J (Viking)]

*sighs*

Hey if this guy is for real, then why did'nt he tell us what the correct portion of real info is correct....

ie; He stated that 70% of what we know is rubbish and that only 30% is correct...!!!

A real truth bringer would let us know which direction to take, and not get us to play guessing games... PROVE ME WRONG. Please.

viking

[SPIRIT WOLF]

i sincerly hope this doesnt turn into a pissing contest....

We have a goal... We have reasons we all do what we do..

This is NOT the time to judge eachother.
You should know me better, its not a pissing contest, I'm speaking from past experiences which I'd like to think many of you know about as openly publicly stated. When I say something its from my experience and not just an opinion OK?

[Celine]

Dear barry heart..

Yes I do know you well..and my comment though motivated by your post...was not directed at you.


Look around at all the posts..

Are we ready for this?

[Fractalius]

Personally I would ignore him and all others of the same ilk.


Chris


Indeed, that is a given really, from my perspective.
Although I may entertain discussion, these people have nothing I want or need. Posting here is somewhat playing with them.. should they even actually be watching. I respect the part they have unknowingly played, for their part in creating a reality for us to test ourselves in and I thank them for that.
But after that, there is indifference. They don't matter in the scheme of things, they are only rulers of THEIR world, a world that is shrinking. I have compassion for the greater good not my personal physical well being. All threats are hollow. Que sera sera.

[Bill Ryan]

*sighs*

Hey if this guy is for real, then why did'nt he tell us what the correct portion of real info is correct....

ie; He stated that 70% of what we know is rubbish and that only 30% is correct...!!!

A real truth bringer would let us know which direction to take, and not get us to play guessing games... PROVE ME WRONG. Please.

viking

Eric! He confirmed:



The reality of the plan to set up a false flag event to frame the ETs as hostile.
Full details (with a rationale from the controllers' point of view) of the plan to reduce the world's population.
Confirmation that the human race is an ET genetic project.
Confirmation of ET reality, and the reality of their craft.
A statement that the ET craft had been brought down deliberately (after one or two initial 'lucky hits' in the 1940s).
Confirmation of the existence of the Mars base, and that we're poised to leave the solar system.
Confirmation of the existence of the back-engineered man-made flying triangles.
The existence of the controlling group, with details of their composition and modus operandi.
Confirmation of artifacts on the moon, and confirmation that Arthur C. Clarke knew a great deal.
Quite a bit more - about the way that the insiders operate, and how they think.

That's quite a good value for a whistleblower interview - wouldn't you agree? :)

Consider also that the release of this video was sanctioned (approved).

That's why I was saying in an earlier reply, a couple of days ago, that this was a form of Disclosure (read the above list again!)... just not in the form that we were expecting it in.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Dear barry heart..

Yes I do know you well..and my comment though motivated by your post...was not directed at you.


Look around at all the posts..

Are we ready for this?

Hi Celine, I can see that on both linked threads there are very many pages and very many posts, the interview has sparked a great debate and guess that was the purpose, for 'them' to see who is awake and who is not

[xm15e2]

Eric! He confirmed:




The reality of the plan to set up a false flag event to frame the ETs as hostile.
Full details (with a rationale from the controllers' point of view) of the plan to reduce the world's population.
Confirmation that the human race is an ET genetic project.
Confirmation of ET reality, and the reality of their craft.
A statement that the ET craft had been brought down deliberately (after one or two initial 'lucky hits' in the 1940s).
Confirmation of the existence of the Mars base, and that we're poised to leave the solar system.
Confirmation of the existence of the back-engineered man-made flying triangles.
The existence of the controlling group, with details of their composition and modus operandi.
Confirmation of artifacts on the moon, and confirmation that Arthur C. Clarke knew a great deal.
Quite a bit more - about the way that the insiders operate, and how they think.

That's quite a good value for a whistleblower video - wouldn't you agree? :)

thank you bill, i agree and if he were to go into more detail, wouldnt it get to a point that it makes it unfair to them from his point of view?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Don't want to sound ungrateful Bill, but most of this we already know...

Thanks

Viking

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Then again as several whistleblowers over the years have also publicly stated all of the data in above Charles could also have garnered that lot together to weave his answers.

[Bill Ryan]

Eric! He confirmed:



The reality of the plan to set up a false flag event to frame the ETs as hostile.
Full details (with a rationale from the controllers' point of view) of the plan to reduce the world's population.
Confirmation that the human race is an ET genetic project.
Confirmation of ET reality, and the reality of their craft.
A statement that the ET craft had been brought down deliberately (after one or two initial 'lucky hits' in the 1940s).
Confirmation of the existence of the Mars base, and that we're poised to leave the solar system.
Confirmation of the existence of the back-engineered man-made flying triangles.
The existence of the controlling group, with details of their composition and modus operandi.
Confirmation of artifacts on the moon, and confirmation that Arthur C. Clarke knew a great deal.
Quite a bit more - about the way that the insiders operate, and how they think.

That's quite a good value for a whistleblower video - wouldn't you agree? :)

thank you bill, i agree and if he were to go into more detail, wouldnt it get to a point that it makes it unfair to them from his point of view?

I forgot to include:




Confirmation that there's anticipated to be a peak of solar activity that might interfere with electrical circuits (in 2012 or 2013).
Confirmation that the solar system is a binary system (i.e. that 'Planet X' is a reality).

[truth will win out]

Thanks Bill, I have to agree with viking all this is not new information at all...

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I forgot to include:




Confirmation that there's anticipated to be a peak of solar activity that might interfere with electrical circuits (in 2012 or 2013).
Confirmation that the solar system is a binary system (i.e. that 'Planet X' is a reality).



Yep and likewise publicly stated re that elec engineers wife? re power outtages, and as for Binary we all knew that too. I'm not dissing what Charles stated. merely stating its all known already

[Bill Ryan]

Don't want to sound ungrateful Bill, but most of this we already know...

Thanks

Viking

Eric - listen carefully:

You asked someone to list what was the 30% that we thought we knew in the alternative community that Charles confirmed was real.

So I told you. (It might be a little more than 30%, actually.)

Then you replied:


Don't want to sound ungrateful Bill, but most of this we already know...

Can anyone understand why the controllers laugh at the stupidity of the alternative community?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

LOL its a no win situation then Bill, Charles states those, we say we know, he says well yes its the 30% that are true LOl LOL Oh boy, here we go round the mulberry bush LOL

[Celine]

Ofcourse we can Bill...They laugh because their hearts...and ours...are NOT in the same place.

But please remember most of us are not seasoned players of this game..and are new on this playing field...

[Ahkenaten]

it is well to remember that more than likely PART of their intention is to sow dissension amongst us

[truth will win out]

I am still waiting for concrete proof that this man is who he says he is... So he is confirming 30% of information is true(Which in my opinon is a bit high), who is he to confirm or deny what is true and what is not.. I have not seen evidence that points to this man being The Real McCoy..
All my best
Truth

[xm15e2]

Eric - listen carefully:

You asked someone to list what was the 30% that we thought we knew in the alternative community that Charles confirmed was real.

So I told you. (It might be a little more than 30%, actually.)

Then you replied:



Can anyone understand why the controllers laugh at the stupidity of the alternative community?

yea, i agree, people are just realizeing its not new to them instead of realizeing hes basically acting as a alternative media traffic signal in other words, giving us very dim red and green lights on what we really know and should focus on, and what isnt really important that we should stop considering so real

[Fractalius]

I am not concerned to be told what is true and what is not. I have no desire to ask, I find out by listening to my heart. Pleading for more information and to be told what to believe to be true so as to focus on that is so amazingly hilarious imo too. So yes, I can understand WHY folk might laugh. I also understand how people can be so caught up laughing that they don't understand there is a reason for these jokes. Lulled into a false sense of security much? Even now, the litmus test may also give them amusement yet all is not what it might seem if you are watching.:kiss:

[str8thinker]

Interesting that from Bill's last two posts there seems no doubt in his own mind that what Charles says is genuine, despite all the doubting Thomases, including myself. What Charles says appears to confirm what we have read or seen elsewhere, even if it is not new.

Yet what he has divulged so far is maddeningly unsatisfying to most of us. We need more from him, even if only to compare it with Kerry's point of view.

Bill I greatly appreciate the hard work you have put into this and the restraint you have shown throughout. No, I would not like Kerry or anyone else to be present at the next interview. My gut feeling is that Charles would clam up as soon as Kerry tries to do a Steven Greer on him. Bill's cautious approach, building on previous groundwork, is the correct one.

(My other posts on this interview are in the Q & A thread.)

[truth will win out]

I am not concerned to be told what is true and what is not. I have no desire to ask, I find out by listening to my heart. Pleading for more information and to be told what to believe to be true so as to focus on that is so amazingly hilarious imo too. So yes, I can understand WHY folk might laugh. I also understand how people can be so caught up laughing that they don't understand there is a reason for these jokes. Lulled into a false sense of security much? Even now, the litmus test may also give them amusement yet all is not what it might seem if you are watching.:kiss:

Well that sounds great, I follow my soul and and not my heart and mind. They both can be decieved to easily... They can control and manipulate your heart and mind.. Your soul is yours IMO.

[cloud9]

I forgot to include:




Confirmation that there's anticipated to be a peak of solar activity that might interfere with electrical circuits (in 2012 or 2013).
Confirmation that the solar system is a binary system (i.e. that 'Planet X' is a reality).



Thank you Bill, so this means this is the 30% that is true?
You see, each one of this points has so many ramifications.....
the one I see as tricky is the anticipated peak of solar activity, not that I don't believe it can be true, but I see it as earthquakes, which so far nobody is able to predict, so how would it be possible to predict something happening in the sun years in advance?
I know different agencies keep records of solar cycles and activity but still is like predicting earthquakes....

Do you think Charles would be willing to answer our many questions? Or at least a few chosen ones?

[Rhiannon]

hi all,

i've been reading through close to 50 pages by now and the main discussion seems to revolve only around the character of "charles", his relationship to bill and what his intentions might be... i think those aspects are either too personal or too vague to base a critical opinion on.

but i remember well "charles" said several times "not to take his word for it." so everything he said should easily be provable - or else.

also i have read many times that there was not so much "new" in this interview: well, good for you! see how well informed you are!... now, what are you going to do with this knowledge?

what has been said about the "33": i have no way of proving him right or wrong. have you? ... i guess i'll just drop that for the moment.

re 2012 - i don't know if anything is happening. i hope nothing too drastic. i can imagine a cosmic event happening, why not? must have happened before, and honestly, how could i absolutely surely know? i have to choose to believe someone. i'm not yet sure who's it going to be. but for all those of you who truly strongly believe: i hope it's going to be ascension, because if a cataclysm lies ahead i see hardly anyone prepared...

... and i mean it in the nicest possible way ;)
rhi

[Fractalius]

.. Your soul is yours IMO.

Oh yes, agreed. That was merely my turn of phrase. My use of words perhaps wrongly made for others ears but the intention was in reference to soul, higher self, light body, or however one wishes to describe it with appropriated words. More often than not the above, does not care for my wishes to understand truth as logic anyway. haha!

[Wood]

Do you think Charles would be willing to answer our many questions? Or at least a few chosen ones?

He is probably reading all this. It would be nice if he could register here (nickname 'Charles'?) and start his own thread. That would be a little too democratic for the taste of the '33' though (difficult damage control).

[TheChosen]

Well.. there is no way to prove or disprove that Charles is who he says who is from our point of view. Obviously Bill has more information off record that makes him a lot more convinced that Charles is the real deal .. so let's continue with the assumption that it is so.

Personally I don't think we are told the entire story, the 33 may be a sort of an operational team under strict supervision from higher ET forces, but my experience tells me that humanity at this point is in no way allowed to rule itself.

I have one question at this point only. What is in it for them? Why should the 33 care about how the alternative community responds to this or try to open a dialogue?? Especially given the fact they have the technology to scan our minds at will.. I still don't see the benefit they are getting for allowing Charles to share this information or gauge the response. And make no mistake, at those levels they NEVER do anything unless it benefits someone's agenda.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Because the '33' know whistleblowers and insiders contact the 'alternative media' to disclose. They keep tabs on who says what and where and monitor all such public areas

[Bill Ryan]

Interesting that from Bill's last two posts there seems no doubt in his own mind that what Charles says is genuine, despite all the doubting Thomases, including myself. What Charles says appears to confirm what we have read or seen elsewhere, even if it is not new.

Yet what he has divulged so far is maddeningly unsatisfying to most of us. We need more from him, even if only to compare it with Kerry's point of view.

Bill I greatly appreciate the hard work you have put into this and the restraint you have shown throughout. No, I would not like Kerry or anyone else to be present at the next interview. My gut feeling is that Charles would clam up as soon as Kerry tries to do a Steven Greer on him. Bill's cautious approach, building on previous groundwork, is the correct one.

(My other posts on this interview are in the Q & A thread.)

My opinion at the moment, based on the responses I've read so far on this forum and elsewhere, is that it's unlikely that Charles would do another interview, or that much more information (if any) would be sanctioned by the controlling group.

I talked with Charles on audio for over 30 hours during the four months before we met. I was moderately amazed that the interview happened at all - and again when it was approved.

For those of you who ask that proof be provided of who Charles is, do understand that I asked a lot of questions, and did a very great deal of careful listening, during those 30 hours of off-record conversation. That's a LOT of time.

Two other Avalon Forum members have also talked with him remotely, one other person has met him in person, and about half a dozen more still have exchanged e-mails with him. But it would be unreasonable to expect any of those people to come forward and say anything at all (unless they want to!) under the circumstances.

I think Charles did a fairly astonishing job given the pressure and constraints he was under, and what was at stake - and I also feel that I could not have done much better myself. There's no doubt in my mind that the opportunity was taken to test the temperature of the response - and also to see how I (and the alternative community) would handle the aftermath. We are left to guess what conclusions they may currently be drawing.

[Taurean]

My opinion at the moment, based on the responses I've read so far on this forum and elsewhere, is that there is no way that Charles would do another interview, or that any more information would be sanctioned by the controlling group.

So that's what it's all about, OUR responses ?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Thats a great pity, but from what he said and from what I observed he might just do so, on his terms. I have little doubt all responses here have been noted and will be acted upon, not in any bad way but sufficient for them to guage what we all think, say and do, and expect. They will take appropriate action by way of no second interview, or maybe a second one but steered in the way they want

[Fractalius]

Well Bill, that opinion would have to be based on a particular personal expectation on what was desired by those peoples.
It may make sense, as if this was a disclosure attempt or an attempt to "talk" then it was executed very amateurishly on their behalf. Maybe they may take stock and come back with an approach that is not insulting to the intelligence? The responses here are not disrespectful to these purported 33, they are more so pointing out the flimsiness of the witness as an 'ambassador' to the 'cause'?

[xm15e2]

yea, it seems like almost anyone read what you wrote about the video on avalons home page before watching, it seems thats where all the questions revolve, people simply need to stop waiting to see his identifacation and simply put faith into the fact that if more is needed and hes real, we will know, if charles is who he IS, than hes capable of sending bill someone that can answer our questions better, in other words i think questions and answers are a bad topic to get into with that interview, its only been a few days and bills been on the road, why not just wait a few and see if one of the men in the video finds a way to help clarify, that video deserves time, and thought instead of conclusion and question

[3optic]

My opinion at the moment, based on the responses I've read so far on this forum and elsewhere, is that there is no way that Charles would do another interview, or that any more information would be sanctioned by the controlling group.

I have to express a certain amount of frustration with the way some chose to approach this subject matter. There seemed to be far too much moral grandstanding, finger pointing and exploration into presumed character flaws of 'Charles'. If I knew people who behaved this way in my social circle, I'd be hesitant to disclose anything with them let alone if they were strangers.

[truth will win out]

I have to express a certain amount of frustration with the way some chose to approach this subject matter. There seemed to be far too much moral grandstanding, finger pointing and exploration into presumed character flaws of 'Charles'. If I knew people who behaved this way in my social circle, I'd be hesitant to disclose anything with them let alone if they were strangers.

Take your toys and go home when questioned? We have a right and a duty to have doubts and ask questions . We have been lied to and manipalated for way to long to just go along with everything.

[cloud9]

My opinion at the moment, based on the responses I've read so far on this forum and elsewhere, is that there is no way that Charles would do another interview, or that any more information would be sanctioned by the controlling group.

Dear Bill,
I'm sorry to be so insistent but what kind of reaction were you or him expecting? Based on your comment, our responses have been inadequate in some form so I conclude that Charles would feel threatened? Perhaps disappointed? Sad?

A person used to deal with situations out of "norm" for us and used to "fix" problems wouldn't stand our skepticism?

Again, I say this is in a very polite way as it's not my intention to offend anybody but we are dealing with big and serious subjects that affect all human kind and it's just fare that we have this kind of reaction to all of this. Or do you think we are overreacting?

How else can we know the truth? Or part of it?

We are in such disadvantageous position and we have been lied so much that if he or them don't allow another interview to clarify things, what's the point of the interview in the first place?

[3optic]

Take your toys and go home when questioned? We have a right and a duty to have doubts and ask questions . We have been lied to and manipalated for way to long to just go along with everything.

This is actually a forum for questions so you certainly shouldn't feel your rights have been trampled. Secondly this eagerness to fall into the roll of a victim is an indicator of a lack of ability to engage in a dialogue in any meaningful way.

[bashi]

it is well to remember that more than likely PART of their intention is to sow dissension amongst us

i was just waiting for this one.
Do you really think that we are soo important to them?
They can do without us and we can do without them, no question!
The question is: What will They do then and what we can do then...

Why can`t we show some Greatness and welcome an open dialogue without being concerned whether they like me/love me or want to use me for a special diet?
Is it only Bill who has this Greatness?
Are we sooo unsure of ourselves?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

O no siree, my past has allowed me to be very sure of myself, I cannot speak for others of course

[Bill Ryan]

Well Bill, that opinion would have to be based on a particular personal expectation on what was desired by those peoples.
It may make sense, as if this was a disclosure attempt or an attempt to "talk" then it was executed very amateurishly on their behalf.

Actually, I disagree - I honestly think it was extremely clever.