air planes grounded

[The One]

Does anybody think it is strange that most planes are grounded in the uk due to volacanic ash entering our air space from iceland.

[annemirri]

Does anybody think it is strange that most planes are grounded in the uk due to volacanic ash entering our air space from iceland.

Not at all, and not just in Uk, but also in Norway, as the wind is heading that way,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm

"The Air Traffic Control Service (Nats) imposed restrictions after the Met Office warned ash could damage engines. "

"Experts have warned that the tiny particles of rock, glass and sand contained in the ash cloud would be sufficient to jam aircraft engines"

and I would like to add that K626 was quite right back in PA1 saying that 15th of April
is important day for 2010.
It started yesterday with earthquakes in China, Mexico, Japan, Chile...
Iceland volcanic eruption has already caused two kilometre long crack.

Wait and see what more we will find out today.

a.

[Paul Orbits]

Ive just been looking at my flight tracking program,and you're quite right! there is nothing flying in the UK north of London, it does seem a bit extreme.

[SteveX]

Ive just been looking at my flight tracking program,and you're quite right! there is nothing flying in the UK north of London, it does seem a bit extreme.

Health and freakin safety at it's finest. If health and freakin saftey officer hadn't had their nads removed by their cotton wool brandishing mothers I would like to stamp on their nads. But saying that I wouldn't want to be on an airliner that turns turns into a glider at 35,000ft. Surley there's a fly around the ploom zone?

The sky is overcast here in Warwickshire. Doesn't look like ash and nothing is falling to earth. Perhaps if it rained we might see it. When the saraha is whiped up on the wind the UK sometimes see's the fall out. They don't stop airliners when that happens.

The met office says there's more ash to come. The volcano is still blowing. At what point wil they say "Sod it ...lets give it a go"

[whiterose]

It definitely seems strange to me, so I'm asking why are they wanting a clear zone across scandinavia and the UK? What don't they want anyone to see? Something being moved in the air space across the north of Europe? There are constant volcanoes erupting all over the earth, are planes being grounded all over the world because of the volcanic ash in the atmosphere? :confused: :noidea:

[Operator]

Well on one hand we have to be careful not see conspiracies everywhere but on the other hand when things makes no sense we should be on higher alert.

I've seen a short documentary yesterday: Attack of the sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrIx6BKO6IE&feature=player_embedded)

It reports on an cme that happened in 2003 ... and apparently a new one is under way (it's e.g. on Urban Survival)
Could it be they want the northern skies cleared without telling the people the real reason (it would cause panic and make them look silly if nothing happens) ?

Without more details it only will stay wild speculation ...

[silverlightning]

I'm in Bergen, west coast of Norway, and today we can smell the sulfur in the air. It's very unusual. I wonder how Iceland smells these days?

[Lucrum]

The reasoning behind grounding all planes around iceland comes from a total engine failure in a British Airways accident in 87 I think it was.

Volcanic ash has a smeltingpoint lower than the operational temperature of the turbine engines, so if it enters the engine it smelts into a sticky goo-like substance slowly clogging up the internal parts of the turbine.

There might be other reasons for the grounding, but I think the safety measures is sound to avoid any planes falling down.
People might think it's annoying and suspicious now, but if the planes were allowed to fly and one or more planes fell down because of the ash, I'm sure the same people would get angry because they didn't ground all aircrafts.

As to why other volcanic activity doesn't produce the same safety measures, I'm not sure that is entirely true.
Other countries which have active volcanoes will restrict airspace around the affected area in correlation with wind and temp. measures + altitude of the ash.
What makes Iceland special, is the placement of the island and the fact that wind conditions may allow a widespread of ash over most northeren european airspace. There is no denying that north-western europe is a pretty busy place when it comes to airtraffic, so it makes sense that it will be a somewhat larger situation than elsewhere.

Iceland haven't had large eruptions from the volcano in question for almost 200 years, and do correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Iceland is mostly known for its less explosive types which does not produce the ash cloud we now see.

So all in all, this is an unprecedented situation in this area of the world which always leads to severe counter-measures....needed or not.

[Agape]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8622055.stm

Some amazing views of the volcano eruption in Iceland ...

Practical note..can you imagine what would happen in a case of some large cataclysmatic events on the Earth , it'd be difficult to get anywhere with these engines, price of a ticket would fly sky high ..

Now I'm curious where this Cloud is going to fall ..

Don't go out without umbrella :behindsofa:

[MorningSong]

Interesting closing to this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8621407.stm


Prof Bill McGuire, professor at the Aon Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre, said it was not "particularly unusual" for ash from Icelandic eruptions to reach the UK.

"Such a large eruption... would have the potential to severely affect air travel at high northern latitudes for six months or more.

"In relation to the current eruption, it is worth noting that the last eruption of Eyjafjallajoekull lasted more than 12 months."

This was mentioned on the Italian news as "it will add more disastrous effects on the economy for months to come".

[Eric J (Viking)]

Prof Bill McGuire, professor at the Aon Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre, said it was not "particularly unusual" for ash from Icelandic eruptions to reach the UK.

"Such a large eruption... would have the potential to severely affect air travel at high northern latitudes for six months or more.

"In relation to the current eruption, it is worth noting that the last eruption of Eyjafjallajoekull lasted more than 12 months."


Hmmm... Good point Morning...

This could bring UK to a stand still if it lasted that long and the winds were against us!!!!

Things are getting crazier by the day!!!!!

viking

[MorningSong]

Here's a more thurough and recent article: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04/15/london-airports-closed-volcanic-ash/

Interesting additional info:


An aviation expert said it was the first time in living memory that an ash cloud had affected some of the most congested airspace in the world, while a scientist in Iceland said the ejection of volcanic ash -- and therefore disruptions in air travel -- could continue for days or even weeks.

"At the present time it is impossible to say when we will resume
flying," said Henrik Peter Joergensen, the spokesman for Copenhagen's airport in Denmark, where some 25,000 passengers were affected.

The ash plume, which rose to between 20,000 feet and 36,000 feet (6,000 meters and 11,000 meters), lies above the Atlantic Ocean close to the flight paths for most routes from the U.S. east coast to Europe.

With the cloud drifting south and east across Britain, the country's air traffic service banned all non-emergency flights until at least 7 a.m. (0600GMT, 2 a.m. EDT) Friday. Irish authorities closed their air space for at least eight hours, and aviation authorities in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Belgium took similar precautions.

The move shut down London's five major airports including Heathrow, a major trans-Atlantic hub that handles over 1,200 flights and 180,000 passengers per day. Airport shutdowns and flight cancellations spread eastward across Europe -- to France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Ireland, Sweden, Finland and Switzerland -- and the effects reverberated worldwide.

French officials shut down all flights to Paris and 23 other airports.

Airlines in the United States canceling some flights to Europe and delayed others. In Washington, the Federal Aviation Administration said it was working with airlines to try to reroute some flights around the massive ash cloud.

Flights from Asia, Africa and the Middle East to Heathrow and other top European hubs were also put on hold.


It was not the first time air traffic has been halted by a volcano, but such widespread disruption has not been seen the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks.


The National Air Traffic Service said Britain had not halted all flights in its space in living memory, although most flights were grounded after Sept. 11. Heathrow was also closed by fog for two days in 1952.

It's a very interesting article.

[Myra]

Does anybody think it is strange that most planes are grounded in the uk due to volacanic ash entering our air space from iceland.

Wow that's amazing. I wonder how long this will last?

[Swanny]

I wondered if maybe something else is happening?? Maybe they were thinking of a possible CME and didn't want to see the planes dropping like flies?
Whatever the reason I hope the planes don't fly again :)

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I wondered if maybe something else is happening?? Maybe they were thinking of a possible CME and didn't want to see the planes dropping like flies?
Whatever the reason I hope the planes don't fly again :)

[THE eXchanger]

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[Lucrum]

The question at the moment is wether Katla, a big volcano next to Eyjafjallajökull with a crater that measures 7-8km across, will wake to life again.

It has always erupted every 40-60 years, but is going overtime now with 92 years since last eruption.

This volcano is capable of much much more than Eyjafjallajökull and can create severe problems for at least parts of europe. Similar volcano erupted in 1783-1784 which caused cold weather and poor harvest for several years, this one also located in Iceland.

We just have to wait and see what happens.

[heyokah]

Ash to ground planes in Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands as well


http://en.trend.az/capital/transport/1670264.html

[Operator]

I found a very odd article in a Dutch newspaper:

Privé-jet Waylon teruggefloten (http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/6534318/__Priv-jet_Waylon_teruggefloten__.html) ...

It says that a private jet was stopped by British jet fighters ... ?

1. Why is the zone 'guarded' by jet fighters ?
2. How come the jet fighters apparently can fly in this 'dangerous' zone ?

Questions, questions, questions ...

[Humble Janitor]

It is pretty interesting to hear this news but I would not be so quick as to jump to conclusions on it.

[Operator]

It is pretty interesting to hear this news but I would not be so quick as to jump to conclusions on it.

You are absolutely right ... I talked about wild speculation in a previous post. As long as we understand that this is more like brainstorming and that after such
session at least 97% of the ideas are trashed ... it's ok.

The newspaper that I mentioned is not a quality paper anyway ... I only check some MSM to see which lies they try to sell ...

[Swanny]

I found a very odd article in a Dutch newspaper:

Privé-jet Waylon teruggefloten (http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/6534318/__Priv-jet_Waylon_teruggefloten__.html) ...

It says that a private jet was stopped by British jet fighters ... ?

1. Why is the zone 'guarded' by jet fighters ?
2. How come the jet fighters apparently can fly in this 'dangerous' zone ?

Questions, questions, questions ...

I can't help but think something else is going on
There must be loads of volcano's erupting around but I've never heard of a country stopping all flights before, I smell a rat :)

[Swami]

I can't help but think something else is going on
There must be loads of volcano's erupting around but I've never heard of a country stopping all flights before, I smell a rat :)

Were on the same line again Admiral, something stinks.......
The chemtrails last days.......
Where did that plane take off....?
If all airports are closed, where did itcome from...?

Do I hear a camel (http://fohn.net/camel-pictures-facts/the-pictures/Camel-Face.jpg) fart in the distance...?

[SteveX]

I heard there was a victory party at the main office of health and safety. It's about time the common sense police arrested the whole darn lot of em.

[Ventana]

Good post, Lucrum. Thanks for the info. I did not, myself, think there was anything weird about the grounding of the planes but at least your explanation makes sense.

[Ventana]

Addendum to my previous post: I don't intend my post to be in the least bit sarcastic. Lucrum's explanaton just made sense to me. For all I know there is something more to it but I'm tired from work and a trip to the dentist and my thought processes may be a little sluggish right about now. Goodnight, all.

[annemirri]

It says that a private jet was stopped by British jet fighters ... ?

1. Why is the zone 'guarded' by jet fighters ?
2. How come the jet fighters apparently can fly in this 'dangerous' zone ?



Someone needs to go and collect samples, and the army has the best pilots,
trained to fly in dangerous zones.

this is from finnish newspaper, (use translate button)

http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Ilmavoimien+koneet+hakivat+n%C3%A4ytteit%C3%A4/1135256136368

" Hawk made a sampling flights before midnight last Thursday. "

"Volcanic ash effects on aircraft is not that much knowledge. We comply with the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) guidelines.

No risks are taken, safety is the main role,"

a.

[Lucrum]

Were on the same line again Admiral, something stinks.......
The chemtrails last days.......
Where did that plane take off....?
If all airports are closed, where did itcome from...?

Do I hear a camel (http://fohn.net/camel-pictures-facts/the-pictures/Camel-Face.jpg) fart in the distance...?

Norwegian airspace was closed at 10 am thursday april 15th, during the day more and more of the euro zone closed its airspace. UK might be the only country along with Norway that closed down some airtraffic on april 14th.

So unless this chemtrail appeared during afternoon hours yesterday, april 15th, there is no reason as to why that plane couldn't be in the air.


I can't help but think something else is going on
There must be loads of volcano's erupting around but I've never heard of a country stopping all flights before, I smell a rat

Yes, there is loads of eruptions going on in the world but you have to consider where these eruptions are located. Such an eruption on Iceland is unseen in modern times of airtraffic, which means this is a first timer for the euro zone. Also, wind conditions due to Iceland being located in the north sea, bordering to the atlantic ocean, the probability of strong windcurrents bringing this ash over big parts of europe is making the situation worse.
Volcanoes further south has a very different climate surrounding them, which plays a huge role in where the ash ends up.

I can understand the scepticism towards governments and other known or unknown forces but we have to be careful not to overthrow all logic just to find a good reason why someone would want to ground airtraffic, other than it just being safety-measures towards volcanic debris.

Airtraffic have been rerouted or grounded in other areas before, the reason we haven't really heard much about that before is due to the severity of the occurance. As previously mentioned, this is a never before seen event in modern airtraffic in that particular part of the world.

I live in south-eastern norway and we could sense the smell of sulfur in the air last night. This morning, people living in the far north of norway woke up to see cars being covered in volcanic ash. Volcanic ash has a fair amount of glass in it, it's sharp and edgy. Planes going through a cloud containing volcanic ash can effectivly be sandblasted by the particles. Worst case engines may fail and even catch on fire.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yes it is very strange ... cannot see how the whole of UK would be effected...one of my pilot freinds is back next week...I'll have a chat to him see what he says!!

I wonder if this has got anything to do with the UFO along the M5...??? just wondered...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJooL4uILe8

anyway this would be an ideal time for ET to show up!!! no excuses...no one else in the skies!!! ha ha

viking

[Gita]

Apparantly it's just airports in England that are closed now!

[Luke]

Hm, something that just came to my mind when reading article on Java near crash in 1982 (Volcano exploded on flight path of Boeing, pilots could not evade it, flew into the cloud, all engines dead, but miraculously restarted when cleared the cloud) same thing happened in 1989 in dutch lines 747 over Mt.Redoubt
Now we know that volcano eruptions are often accompanied by storms. Ash clouds are charged. see Article in wired (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/04/electric-dust-grains/) . My working theory is that magma flows can be accompanied by plasma flows (or are diff faces of same phenomena) ... so in a way CME on sun and volcanic eruption on earth have same physics behind them.
And they screw electrical circuits.
If engines were clogged by dust they would not restart so easily after moving out of clouds. Anyway, there is more to that than just "dust danger"... but dust do not raise questions about mainstream science model. Or so I think.

[Lucrum]

You are partly right SaiCO, but you also have to consider what the ash particles from a volcano consist of.

It's not the rock particles themselves that pose a big threat, but it is the glass particles that come with them. They smelt in the turbines, which has an operating temp of about 2000 degrees. When this happens, it turns into a sticky substance which can clog up the systems.

The reason this pilot could start the engines again after a while, was that the glass particles cooled down since the turbines was shut off....it hardened and broke of in bits and pieces every time they tried to fire up the engine again.
This is why the pilot kept up hope in restarting the engines, because he noticed that the turbine turned more and more as he was trying to fire it up.

It is also true that volcanic ash is charged. They can be looked upon as ions.
A plane encountering the particle cloud, can trigger loads of static as the sharp ash particles hits the body of the plane. As for these discharges destroying circuits, it could be possible but most planes have some sort of grounding to prevent such a thing to happen.

Gita, as far as my knowledge...only 2 airports have opened in Norway, where our main airport is not one of them. Weather is constantly monitored as are concentration of ash in the 10 000m range. If upper jetstreams have changed direction more towards the UK, it makes sense to open for some traffic elsewhere while still keeping planes on the ground in the UK.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well if this is whats its like with no planes in the sky...they can keep them...I'm sure we'll manage!!!!

http://janiceadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/barrosa-sky.gif

viking

[kriya]

I live 20 minutes from Heathrow airport, and the silence in the sky has been bliss.

Love,

Kriya

[Swanny]

I'm loving it :)

[Merlin]

Great...NO CHEMTRAILS!!!

Peace,

Simon

:dance:

[Lucrum]

I guess not all is bad about this, though those employed by airliners is kinda having a bad time atm.

Skies aren't exactly clear blue around here now, but that's due to bad weather rolling in.

[MorningSong]

Yesterday in Italy, 75% of the flights were cancelled.

All airports and and air space in Northern Italy closed all day today 'til Monday 8AM.

Authorities are saying on TV that if it rains, to remain indoors and if you must go out, to wear a face mask. :sad:

[Operator]

Yesterday in Italy, 75% of the flights were cancelled.

All airports and and air space in Northern Italy closed all day today 'til Monday 8AM.

Authorities are saying on TV that if it rains, to remain indoors and if you must go out, to wear a face mask. :sad:

It is amazing how news from country to country seem to contradict. In the Netherlands they said there was no health threat at all and that the cloud is so high that rain
could not take particles down. I also just read that the KLM is doing a test flight in the Netherlands to reassess the threat . They want to fly again a.s.a.p.

Serious ? I thought authorities are to decide to close the airspace and that it would be authorities to clear it again. Also I read that at other places the airspace will stay
closed for the weekend ... I don't know what is going on ... but the various news articles are ridiculous ... Swanny you're right ... I smell a rat too.

Hopefully we will understand better what is going on while the story develops ....

[Celine]

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/319198,extra-kenyas-cut-flower-industry-loses-millions.html

Kenya's cut flower industry loses millions


Nairobi - Kenya's flower exporters have incurred millions in losses as a result of air transport disruptions in Europe caused by the volcano in Iceland.

Amid the widespread ban on flights over much of Europe on Friday alone, around 500 tons of flowers worth 2 million dollars, were stranded at Nairobi's airport.

Even if the flowers were to reach Europe, there would be the problem of quality having been affected in the delay, said Jane Ngige of the Kenya Flower Council.

Flowers account for around 20 per cent of Kenya's exports and, along with tourism, is the most important source of revenue. Around 97 per cent of flights carrying flowers are destined for the European Union.

[Jacqui D]

I to feel something is not right about all this, i have been expecting particles in the air possible cloud cover but we have had blue skies for a few days now! could there possibly be movement by ufo's over this area or even disagreements in the skies by warring aliens.
I live in the south east of england where they did say we may have problems, well like i say blue skies no clouds!!!
It is very strange indeed!

[Luke]

From British Airshow review forum (http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21817&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=e060775856eacc461a59da8d44976b2c&start=100):
"Despite the media insisting that UK airspace is "closed", it most certainly is not. NATS have implemented the ICAO recommendation that no IFR (instrument flight rules) clearances will be granted - which effectively grounds most commercial air transport (because they use airways, TMAs etc that are Class A airspace, requiring an IFR clearance). Everything that can fly VFR (visual flight rules) can fly as they wish, "

Also: "Private aircraft owners are strongly advised by the Civil Aviation Authority not to fly due to volcanic ash, however no legal restrictions are in force. "from BBC news (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/8627661.stm) about aircrash

[Lucrum]

Some very limited ash particles have fallen where I live, earlier mentioned being in the south eastern part of norway. The ash is spread out and it's not a concentration at this time which is clearly visible to the naked eye.

The principal at rule here, is better safe than sorry. Many flight engineers and other officials has a clear opinion that flying in most euro zones are considered safe. The amount of ash in the atmosphere is too low to be making any noticable problems.

To me, this comes out as an attempt to show authority and responsibility...be it a big over reaction in terms of how severe the event is.

As for the health hazzards of falling ash, WHO says the downfall is hazardous to people with respiratory illnesses...this is completely reversed opposed to what norwegian health officials says.
There is clearly a big lack of knowledge involved here.

[Operator]

From British Airshow review forum (http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21817&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=e060775856eacc461a59da8d44976b2c&start=100):
"Despite the media insisting that UK airspace is "closed", it most certainly is not. NATS have implemented the ICAO recommendation that no IFR (instrument flight rules) clearances will be granted - which effectively grounds most commercial air transport (because they use airways, TMAs etc that are Class A airspace, requiring an IFR clearance). Everything that can fly VFR (visual flight rules) can fly as they wish, "

Also: "Private aircraft owners are strongly advised by the Civil Aviation Authority not to fly due to volcanic ash, however no legal restrictions are in force. "from BBC news (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/8627661.stm) about aircrash

So ... INSTRUMENTS cannot be trusted ... under the current 'circumstances' ... I wonder what that could mean ...
It reminds me to recent crashes where instruments gone crazy without clear indication (Air France flight from Brazil to Paris and the Turkish airline crash near Schiphol/Amsterdam/Netherlands).

[Lee-B]

I to feel something is not right about all this, i have been expecting particles in the air possible cloud cover but we have had blue skies for a few days now! could there possibly be movement by ufo's over this area or even disagreements in the skies by warring aliens.
I live in the south east of england where they did say we may have problems, well like i say blue skies no clouds!!!
It is very strange indeed!

double post...see below

[Lee-B]

A nervous looking Matthew Watson (Bristol Uni) spoke on Channel 4 news earlier saying we have blue skies as the particles are too small to be seen. A massive cloud of concentrated particles is now invisible?
I'm not entirely convinced.
See for yourself here http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid62744310001?bclid=77393102001&bctid=78613546001 4:50 onwards

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yep....Planes or no planes???? Horse and cart please...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-h1cIJo6_A&feature=player_embedded

viking

[Lee-B]

Beautiful :)

[scanner]

Love the bird song how pleasant

[TraineeHuman]

There was a regular commercial passenger plane that crashed some years ago while flying over Indonesia. There was an unusually long investigation, because the initially suspected possible causes all drew a blank. Eventually it was discovered that the crash was caused by potash in the air -- which brings a plane down very quickly indeed. Investigators then realised the plane had passed something like five kilometers away from an active volcano on a small Indonesian island. But that was more than close enough.

[Luke]

KLM (Dutch Airlines) Are performing test flights in the cloud. As of now callsign is KLM7461 , can be tracked here: http://www.flightradar24.com/ . Also Lufthansa runneth 10 test flights on Munich- Frankfurt am Main route, no damage to engines reported (After Polish portal note (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.onet.pl%2F2156982%2C12%2Clinie_testuja_samoloty_pyl_im_nie_zagraza%2Citem. html&sl=pl&tl=en))
The plot thickens :P

EDIT: FlightGlobal report (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/18/340745/klm-737-test-flight-indicates-no-volcanic-ash-risk.html)
EDIT2: BBC coverage (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8627720.stm)

[Sabrina]

Interesting piece from: http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/


Iceland Volcanic Ash Conspiracy April 2010
TwitterACloud 1 ..... TwitterACloud 2 ..... TwitterACloud 3

· Why is the Keflavic International Airport in Iceland still open?

· Is the volcanic ash cloud story a cover for CME disruption of aircraft communications? More here. CME = Coronal Mass Ejection. Ejection of plasma and entraining coronal magnetic field energy from the Sun. More here.

· Who would most benefit from the mandatory clearing of European airspace? And who would most suffer? Are the military in the air? Whose military?

· Is European airspace being kept clear for military defensive purposes or for military offensive purposes? Whose military?

· Is European airspace being kept clear to let something much more important happen up there? Or to let something much more important in or out? Something which might be hugely disruptive to conventional radioelectronic communications between aircraft and their ground control systems?

· Is European airspace being kept clear to prevent people seeing something significant out of aircraft windows? Or to prevent flight crews from seeing things on their screens or data displays which should not be seen by personnel without military or intelligence security clearances?

· Is European airspace being kept clear by covert security agencies acting for the City of London Corporation in order to disrupt flights between Europe and the US which are scheduled to carry high-status legal documents to élite financial criminals on both sides of the Atlantic? (see previous item on this page about Wall Street and City of London securitisation fraud)

· Volcanic ash-sized particles are present in the atmosphere at civilian flying altitudes all the year round, everywhere. It is routine for sandstorms in the Sahara or Gobi Deserts to elevate volcanic-ash sized particles into flying altitudes where they are carried for thousands of miles. Volcanic ash particles measure from 0 to 4 on the Krumbein Phi Scale (particle diameters in the range 1.0 mm to 0.0625 mm). Particles of this size are routinely airborne all the year round, all over the world. Aerial plankton can contain larger bioparticles such as seeds, spores, eggs and microarthropods. These categories of airborne particles do not, normally, pose any safety threat to civilian passenger aircraft. Larger bits of volcanic debris very quickly return to ground/sea level under the influence of gravity, and they do this within a few miles of the active volcano, and only a few minutes after ejection.

· Active volcanoes are common natural phenomena on this planet. There is nothing unusual about volcanoes. About twenty volcanoes are erupting in the world at this very moment. Only one of them is in Iceland. Since 1980, as many as five volcanoes have erupted each year in the USA alone. Worldwide, about sixty volcanoes erupted each year through the 1990s. The total was one hundred and fifty four in the full decade 1990-1999. Why has this single, relatively small, volcano in Iceland suddenly been allowed to empty northern European airspace for days in a row? Between fifteen and twenty different sovereign nations have had their passenger fleets grounded. This has never happened to air traffic before on anything like this scale, anywhere or at any time.

· Why now? And why so widespread and long-lasting?

[Lee-B]

Interesting timing..

http://www.brahmand.com/news/NATO-countries-begin-Brilliant-Mariner-naval-exercise/3645/1/10.html

JEVER, GERMANY
(BNS): A large fleet of warships, submarines, frigates and aircraft from 10 NATO countries and one non-NATO member has congregated here to take part in the ‘Brilliant Mariner’ maritime exercise in the Baltic Sea.

The 10-day long multi-nation naval drill began here on April 12, 2010. It will engage the NATO forces to respond to a number of challenges, including asymmetric or terrorist threats, maritime security operations and embargo operations “in a realistic scenario,” a NATO statement said.

The exercise will see participation of 6,500 defence personnel, 31 warships, 28 aircraft and four submarines that will operate in the Northern European waters and airspace.

The French Navy, which is commanding the maritime exercise, has sent 10 of its warships and 30 aircraft.

Its naval fleet includes aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, amphibious warship Mistral, under-attack submarine Emeraude along with other frigates. The aviation fleet includes Mirage fighter aircraft, Hawkeye airborne early warning aircraft and Atlantique 2 maritime patrol aircraft along with other planes.

The countries participating in the huge military drill are Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, USA, France, Norway, Netherlands
, Poland, United Kingdom and Sweden. Sweden, a non-NATO member, is taking part in the exercise as a ‘Partnership for Peace’ country.

[Lucrum]

· Why is the Keflavic International Airport in Iceland still open?


http://www.kefairport.is/english/

Doesn't look very open to me, at least not any more open than some other airports in zones that has some flights running.

Schedule says cancelled on all flights but one from Iceland to Trondheim (Norway) which makes sense as Værnes Airport is open for some flights and been so on and off since yesterday.

Northeren Norway is open for business, but might not be open for all scheduled flights.

Folks, really, it's great that we don't take everything governments tells us as pure truth...but don't fall in the same trap the other way by taking other peoples words blindly when it comes to the situation.

If you want to know which airports are open/closed and if there is any flights running at the moment, look them up and check their schedules.

I'm not gonna dismiss the possibility for a cover-up, but we have a responsibility to at least try to find some facts ourselves before going fullblown conspiracy on this one.

Don't you think? :)

[Swami]

Keep an eye on this (http://pixie.spasci.com/DynMod/) one......;)
THX MorniningSong..... :thumb:

[Swanny]

There was a regular commercial passenger plane that crashed some years ago while flying over Indonesia. There was an unusually long investigation, because the initially suspected possible causes all drew a blank. Eventually it was discovered that the crash was caused by potash in the air -- which brings a plane down very quickly indeed. Investigators then realised the plane had passed something like five kilometers away from an active volcano on a small Indonesian island. But that was more than close enough.

I was at the airport with my Dad, the plane was on it's way to Bali to pick him up :)

[Poly Hedra]

So annoying, I'm supposed to be flying on Friday, I really hope everything is fine by then.
Heres a link to a Reuters report about how certain airlines have done test flights. It seems that the test flights went off without problems. I wasnt suspicious until now because the article mentions that the decision to ground planes was decided by a computer senario in London.
Also my friend living on the west coast of Ireland has sent me a message talking about a lot of strange lights moving in wierd ways in the sky over the last 2 nights. hmm, even though there are no planes in the sky.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63E1TM20100418?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r1:c0.279528:b33014070:z0

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The skies here are crystal clear blue and 100% cloudless with NO AIRCRAFT CONTRAILS. Its beautiful. It must have looked like this 100 years ago.

[avid]

Interesting timing..

http://www.brahmand.com/news/NATO-countries-begin-Brilliant-Mariner-naval-exercise/3645/1/10.html

JEVER, GERMANY
(BNS): A large fleet of warships, submarines, frigates and aircraft from 10 NATO countries and one non-NATO member has congregated here to take part in the ‘Brilliant Mariner’ maritime exercise in the Baltic Sea.

The 10-day long multi-nation naval drill began here on April 12, 2010. It will engage the NATO forces to respond to a number of challenges, including asymmetric or terrorist threats, maritime security operations and embargo operations “in a realistic scenario,” a NATO statement said.

The exercise will see participation of 6,500 defence personnel, 31 warships, 28 aircraft and four submarines that will operate in the Northern European waters and airspace.

The French Navy, which is commanding the maritime exercise, has sent 10 of its warships and 30 aircraft.

Its naval fleet includes aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, amphibious warship Mistral, under-attack submarine Emeraude along with other frigates. The aviation fleet includes Mirage fighter aircraft, Hawkeye airborne early warning aircraft and Atlantique 2 maritime patrol aircraft along with other planes.

The countries participating in the huge military drill are Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, USA, France, Norway, Netherlands
, Poland, United Kingdom and Sweden. Sweden, a non-NATO member, is taking part in the exercise as a ‘Partnership for Peace’ country.

USAFE units participate in BRILLIANT ARDENT 2010

Posted 4/14/2010 Updated 4/15/2010 Email story Print story



by Master Sgt. Keith Houin
USAFE/PA

4/14/2010 - RAMSTEIN, Germany -- The 22nd Fighter Squadron at Spangdhalem Air Base and 351st Air Refueling Squadron from RAF Mildenhall are partnering with air forces from the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, and Turkey to participate in Exercise BRILLIANT ARDENT 10.

The large scale NATO Response Force Air Live Exercise hosted by Germany began April 12 and will run through April 22. Participation by U.S. Air Forces in Europe units directly aligns with the command key mission areas of providing forces for global operations and building partnership.

Sixty aircraft ranging from fighters, attack aircraft, helicopters, tanker and airborne early warning aircraft are operating from air bases located in Germany, the Czech Republic, France, Poland, and UK.

In addition to air assets, tactical employment of Theater Missile Defense and Ground Based Air Defense assets will be extensively exercised.

The aim of BAT 10 is to train, test, integrate and validate the interoperability, readiness and capabilities of NATO Response Force 15 nominated air forces and associated command structures by exercising NRF missions and tasks in a challenging and realistic scenario.

The exercise is also open to "non NRF" air units from NATO, as well as Partnership for Peace nations, and provides an outstanding training opportunity. The exercise scenario is based around a United Nations mandated NATO-led Crisis Response Operation in a fictitious geo-political setting, a scenario specifically designed for this exercise.

The NRF concept provides the Alliance with a robust capability to meet the challenging security environment of the 21st century by providing a highly trained and agile force, at high readiness, able to deploy at short notice wherever and whenever directed to do so by the North Atlantic Council.

The NRF comprises deployable NATO Land, Maritime and Air Forces provided by Nations on a rotational basis. Training of the force is both essential and continual in order to maintain assigned forces at peak readiness. It is only through exercises such as BAT 10 that NRF forces can be operationally certified as trained, capable and ready to fulfill the NRF mission.

http://www.usafe.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123199666
volcanic ash....?????

666!!!!!!
Avid

[AlbaLux]

I am from the center of Europe and last 2 days without airplanes was the most beautiful days for a long time. Sky was absolutely clear too ! no chemtrails not even clue :cool: and there was so quiet without airplanes that a lot of people around were really enjoying this great feeling .

Amazing :peace:

[Paul Orbits]

I agree, its easy to see conspiracies with an event like this, especially when on the night before the ban takes place two large fireballs are seen entering the atmosphere,one over the USA and one over Ireland. Hmmmmm interesting!
P.S. you'll find the videos of both events on youtube...



Well on one hand we have to be careful not see conspiracies everywhere but on the other hand when things makes no sense we should be on higher alert.

I've seen a short documentary yesterday: Attack of the sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrIx6BKO6IE&feature=player_embedded)

It reports on an cme that happened in 2003 ... and apparently a new one is under way (it's e.g. on Urban Survival)
Could it be they want the northern skies cleared without telling the people the real reason (it would cause panic and make them look silly if nothing happens) ?

Without more details it only will stay wild speculation ...

[Lyricus]

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The skies here are crystal clear blue and 100% cloudless with NO AIRCRAFT CONTRAILS. Its beautiful. It must have looked like this 100 years ago.

I agree. I live near Gatwick Airport and seeing clear skies over the past few days + absence of aircraft noise has been blissful.

[Paul Orbits]

Same here in the UK, its been beautiful....

[Lyricus]

I agree, its easy to see conspiracies with an event like this, especially when on the night before the ban takes place two large fireballs are seen entering the atmosphere,one over the USA and one over Ireland. Hmmmmm interesting!
P.S. you'll find the videos of both events on youtube...

Can we have the links for these please?

[Templeton Peck]

over Ireland too ?

[steve_a]

Hi Sabrina,

The airport in question is to the west of the volcano. As the winds are blowing, south, south east, that airport is free for take offs and landings.

However, your points are both interesting and important to the subject. Because you question, and that is the most important thing we can do.

In one way I suggest that European airspace is not being restricted to hide anything, as the fewer areoplanes flyng, the more evident other 'objects' will be.

As for other reasons, "all of the above" are valid.

We just need to be prepared and to try and keep one step ahead of the rest, without losing our cool. If you read in another post I have started, you will see that other things, I believe, could happen. Just keep your ear to the ground.

Best regards,

Steve



Interesting piece from: http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/


Iceland Volcanic Ash Conspiracy April 2010
TwitterACloud 1 ..... TwitterACloud 2 ..... TwitterACloud 3

· Why is the Keflavic International Airport in Iceland still open?

· Is the volcanic ash cloud story a cover for CME disruption of aircraft communications? More here. CME = Coronal Mass Ejection. Ejection of plasma and entraining coronal magnetic field energy from the Sun. More here.

· Who would most benefit from the mandatory clearing of European airspace? And who would most suffer? Are the military in the air? Whose military?

· Is European airspace being kept clear for military defensive purposes or for military offensive purposes? Whose military?

· Is European airspace being kept clear to let something much more important happen up there? Or to let something much more important in or out? Something which might be hugely disruptive to conventional radioelectronic communications between aircraft and their ground control systems?

· Is European airspace being kept clear to prevent people seeing something significant out of aircraft windows? Or to prevent flight crews from seeing things on their screens or data displays which should not be seen by personnel without military or intelligence security clearances?

[concerned square]

..........

[Teakai]

From al Jazheera news (the news I have begun to trust more than my own):
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/
Actually, I was trying to find some news of what was happening in Yemen.

[annemirri]

.....pecially when on the night before the ban takes place two large fireballs are seen entering the atmosphere,one over the USA and one over Ireland. Hmmmmm interesting!


If I were from other planet, reality, dimension,
or even better from higher consciousness with advanced technology,

circling this planet with my own spacecraft, or fireball,

I would definitely be MONITORING the volcanic activies in Iceland.

Why ? maybe I would care about the ones living on this planet,
and be ready to offer some help if needed as things may soon escalate.

Be Well,
a.

[Operator]

The news about the subject is confusing and conflicting ...

KLM announces every time they will resume flying etc. and then the time will still be postponed till later. The commercial airlines all basically say nothing is at hand ... no problems,
while there are more and more articles popping up about military planes that seem to have problems and indicate it's not safe ...

Two camps appear to evolve from this commercial airlines versus military ... Is the military used to sustain a lie because that part cannot be verified easily ?
(Of course I am aware as well that it's $$$$ that will probably motivate the airline companies to do their part)

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Call me a spoilsport a killjoy but I actually think this has been a good thing. It clears the skies and gives the skies a breather. Far too much air traffic clogging and polluting the skies. There is surface transport so I have little sympathy for those constantly plane hopping. As far as I'm concerned it can go on for weeks. The Gov will bail out airlines. "Mr Blue Sky" apt song for these times LOL

[Kulapops]

My dentist (of all people!) told me today, without prompting, that he'd heard it was so that UFOs could come in.

Thought you guys would love to hear this 'hot off the press' theory, but I see it's already been hinted at on this thread. Ain't no angle you can think of, that some one else hasn't already dreamed up.

I'd have to say though, you can't have it both ways. You can't have supremely advanced technology from planets light years away from us, able to cross space in the wink of an eye...having to phone ahead and ask governments if they wouldn't mind setting off a volcano, or use it as an excuse to ground all air traffic so said UFOs won't be spotted.

I thought these things hid in clouds anyway ? Or used super cloaking devices that hide them from the most prying of eyes, unless they WANT to be seen?

Indeed, people talk about having to put in a telepathic request to see one months in advance...

So grounding all air traffic to stop prying eyes doesn't compute with this technology.

I am enjoying the blue sky though. Who'd have thought that Volcanic Ash would be the darling of a CO2 reduction programme ??! (by grounding all the planes)

Ironic, no ?

K

[MorningSong]

The north Italian airports opened back up at 6am and closed again at 8am. Only 30% of flights are moving. I don't understand why/why not. They haven't said why they stopped flights again.

I have heard reports that the ash cloud did not arrive here, yet Saturday evening around 8pm, at least in this area, the sky went black with a thick ugly cloud covering, the wind was blowing like crazy (which usually blows away the clouds) and it rained really hard all night. Was that the ash cloud passing? Who knows.

Now it is sunny and warm out. There are just a few fluffy white clouds. And no noisey airplanes passing over nor chemtrails. Just normal springtime weather.

How funny, TheWatcher! I have been sing ELO's "Mister Blue Sky" all morning....WOW!

[MorningSong]

On RAI1 Televideo there is this (I will translate):

"Fragments of glass were found in the motor of a Nato F-16 hunter. Revealed by American sources, explaining that at high temperatures, the ash of the Iceland volcano can turn into glass crystals.

There were other Nato planes but the fragments were only found one of them. "It is a very serious problem, that in a not very distant future it could have repercussions on military activity," observes the same source. (my emphesis in bold)

The cloud "does not have any effects on our activities", assures the Secretary General of Nato Rasmussen.

[Poly Hedra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utdKjUZz-o0&playnext_from=TL&videos=bT3vxcH6EPQ

Enjoy Mr Blue Sky
This is a fantastic uplifting video for you all to enjoy. Its a flashmob to the song of Mr Blue Sky. :)

[Eric J (Viking)]

Superb...it just goes to show you how infectious these acts are...folks were dancing and joining in on the act!!

Imagine on a bigger scale how we could transform humanity with such a simple tool!!! The TV!!

If only we had control!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EYAUazLI9k

viking

[Lucrum]

This boils down to conflicting interests in my opinion.

It just shows that private sector, government and military has no co-operation what so ever.

Governmentals wants to safe it, they do not want crashing planes on their hands. Private sector has money interests, they do not want to stay on the ground as long as the probability for damage to the planes are slim.
Airliners wants to take away the passenger's right for a refund for cancelled flights due to circumstances the airliners can't do anything about. In one way it secures the company, in another it hurts the customer.
So they demand insurance companies to take the fall, which in turn makes those companies in a tight spot having to spend alot of money on ticket refunds which they clearly can't help.
In turn they will have to bring this money back, which means the airlines must pay more for this insurance and probably also personal insurance holders.

Instead of getting some actual results and solving this problem, everyone is sitting tightly on their own interests and let the people around sit in complete confusion and darkness over what is correct and what is not.

Conspiracy or no conspiracy, it's the same thing all over every darn time something out of the ordinary happens.