The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

[aoibhghaire]

The UAP is heating up with more new initiatives by way new websites, disclosure has become a hot topic on many sites this is before the culmination of the Senate hearings in June 2021.

There is now more frequent announcements, more revelations of UAP incursions with not only US military, but Chinese and Russian military; more government/ex government interviews that provides the concern of governments world wide. Its an unprecedented time in the 75 years of UAP.

The skeptics are trying hard to counter the revelations. This is to be expected as the mental framework of thinking is come up with answers that might fit the criteria, but frequently falls short of the reality when one analysis the data. Its been a lazy approach of sweeping statements that are fallacies.

https://www.space.com/declassified-ufo-sightings?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=SDC_Newsletter&utm_content=SDC_Newsletter+&utm_term=3653836

James Fox filmmaker of THE PHENOMENON announces new Political Initiative – UAP ACT NOW https://uapactnow.com

Into the mix we also have new announcements today from Alfred Webre and Paul Helyer that really don't align with mainstream at present. In particular, 'who represents the Earth'.

IMHO Alfred Webre cannot produce any genuine evidence to support his claims of an Intergalactic Federation.

What sets PA apart is that we are evidentially based within the broad sense of the word.

This also goes with Paul Hellyer (ex deputy Prime Minister of Canada) regard his comments made in relation to the link information provided here.

VANCOUVER, BC –

Now that the U.S. White House of Joe Biden has quietly abolished the privilege of White House Petitions the U.S. Citizens formerly enjoyed under prior Democratic and Republican administrations, Canadian UFO researcher Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd, CERT Public Health – a dual Canadian-American citizen – turned to the Canadian Parliament’s ePetition in his continuing quest to seek official status as “an Earth representative to the Regional Galactic Governance Council.

Canadian UFO researcher creates official Petition to have Canadian government designate him “an Earth representative” to Galactic Council

EXOPOLITICS.COM: https://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2021/03/canadian-ufo-researcher-creates-official-petition-to-have-canadian-government-designate-him-an-earth-representative-to.html

NEWSINSIDEOUT:
https://newsinsideout.com/2021/03/canadian-ufo-researcher-creates-official-petition-to-have-canadian-government-designate-him-an-earth-representative-to-galactic-council/

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[aoibhghaire]

Regarding Alfred Webre, although it's just "noise", it's one of those situations that contributes to the lack of credibility of the UFO community. In particular at this time in history. I have always considered his views beyond radical to the point of ludicrous. In my mind he makes Steven Greer look like Stanton Friedman.

With any kind of luck the Canadian member of Parliament to whom he has directed his petition - Jody Wilson-Raybould - the petition will probably be responded to but ignored if and when it does not receive the necessary number of people signing and supporting it. If it somehow hits the press - which is entirely possible because of its high level of strangeness - something like this could seriously harm all of the fine research being done in the UFO/UAP research community.

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[aoibhghaire]

Alfred Webre claims he is the founder of EXOPOLITICS. I suggest you would have to be very careful, there are 1.9 billion Muslims who will have their own interpretation about Theological/Political relationship with these other worldly beings.

Of course, appointing one extremely mythopoetic person without serious evidence as a representative for humanity is not the way to go. Popular interpretations are not what we are striving for. According to experiencer reports, different UAP intelligences may have indicated to experiencers that some are indeed associated with each other but we still don't understand this clearly. And for the most part, they seem to contact whomever they wish, some as "prime contactees" and others as hybridization and run-of-the-mill" experiencers.

It is a complex situation. According to Mary Rodwell children seem to be taught on board and so on. But UAP/UFO explorers will have to contend with the mythopoetic tendency prevalent in enthusiastic people that begin to open up to these issues. We need to keep things as evidentiary as possible.

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[Open Minded Dude]

Oh wait ... it's not Webre. I actually thought Mr. Courtney Brown of the Farsight Remote Viewing Institute is now Earth's representative. At least that is what he claims and (kind of) 'acts' to be.
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[aoibhghaire]

Military and spy agencies accused of stiff-arming investigators on UFO sightings.

Some military and spy agencies are blocking or simply ignoring the effort to catalog what they have on "unidentified aerial phenomenon," according to multiple current and former government officials. And as a result, the Biden administration will likely delay a much-anticipated public report to Congress.

The Senate Intelligence Committee has asked the director of national intelligence to work with the Defense Department to provide a public accounting by June 25 on unexplained sightings of advanced aircraft and drones that have been reported by military personnel or captured by radar, satellites and other surveillance systems.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/25/ufo-sightings-report-478104

[mojo]

Great thread and totally support disclosure but if I may throw a monkey wrench? Disclosure needs 2 important benchmarks to meet. A Decree by POTUS to remove the subject of UFOs & alien life without releasing national security details and to allow people that signed non-disclosure agreements to come forward and speak. The second point is that POTUS or VP needs to be read into all tax payer funded secret black projects. When that happens there will be no hiding the general knowledge we are not alone.

[aoibhghaire]

Last night Chris Mellon was on the Fox's Tucker Show.

More details about the forthcoming report from Senate hearings in June.

Tucker is critical and frustrated with these affairs an asks the pertinent question
Why haven't we heard about this all before? Chris Mellon explains the historical situation.
Mellon doesn't counter Tucker regarding other world vehicles.

https://twitter.com/jeff5647a/status/1375623930271121409?s=11
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aoibhghaire

[onawah]

Former Intel Head Confirms Multiple 'Difficult To Explain' UFO Incidents
Mar 26, 2021
The Hill
1.17M subscribers
Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti discuss new UFO sightings.

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Also see
Dark Journalist: X State Of The Union UFO File & Global Control
3/26/21
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8vTDpVoLHeI
Posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network-16-March-2018&p=1418530&viewfull=1#post1418530

[aoibhghaire]

This interview of Rubio is well worth watching. Jump to about the 3rd minute into the video. I picked up three takeaways from that interview:

1. The report will not be completed by June 1, which I don't think is a surprise to anyone. But it is nice to see that the national media is pushing them on this report with an expected completion date.

2. A couple of times Rubio notes that we need to "try and figure out what these things are". This may indicate that he has been told in debriefs that we have no idea of what these UAP are or their origin.

3. It is also good to see him note the stigma involved in the subject and that we need to ignore the stigma and figure out what's over our military facilities.

I also like that she brought him on not to just talk about UAPs but other topics as well. This helps legitimize the UAP discussion and it makes it more likely that he may talk off the cuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBaPSLmx964

aoibhghaire

[onawah]

Dark Journalist reveals quite a lot about all this--Rubio and the current situation regarding disclosure, etc. in his latest here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vTDpVoLHeI


This interview of Rubio is well worth watching. Jump to about the 3rd minute into the video. I picked up three takeaways from that interview:

1. The report will not be completed by June 1, which I don't think is a surprise to anyone. But it is nice to see that the national media is pushing them on this report with an expected completion date.

2. A couple of times Rubio notes that we need to "try and figure out what these things are". This may indicate that he has been told in debriefs that we have no idea of what these UAP are or their origin.

3. It is also good to see him note the stigma involved in the subject and that we need to ignore the stigma and figure out what's over our military facilities.

I also like that she brought him on not to just talk about UAPs but other topics as well. This helps legitimize the UAP discussion and it makes it more likely that he may talk off the cuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBaPSLmx964

aoibhghaire

[Kryztian]

Dark Journalist reveals quite a lot about all this--Rubio and the current situation regarding disclosure, etc. in his latest here:
8vTDpVoLHeI


Yes, great stuff. The part about Rubio begins around minute 34, but start around minute 22 to get the context.

[aoibhghaire]

Interview with Lue Elizondo on Vechten met Moszkowicz (Netherlands) broadcast channel 31 March, 2021

Former national director of AATIP Lue Elizondo shares NEW bombshell details on the UAP / UFO encounters by American armed forces. NEW details on what kind of signal data of UAP's was observed by AATIP. Elizondo talks for an hour about his experiences while being head of AATIP, the pentagons top secret ufo research program on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. Why the fighter pilots ufo footage was exposed to the general public through the New York Times. NEW details on what it is that makes UAP technology much more advanced than modern human technology. NEW information about foreign governments research on UAP/ UFO encounters and the worldwide pattern of UAP's visiting nuclear army bases around the world, shutting down nuclear warheads. Elizondo elaborates on the behaviour of the UAP's/ UFO's, where the possibly could be from and what they want.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vdOKX_MJ0w&t=3291s

[aoibhghaire]

Just following on from your post Mojo some further thoughts

The Shift

Due to official evidence brought forth since 2017 to the general public and to the U.S. Congress by members of To the Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences, ufologists, contact experiencers, and people in general that understand that our planet is indeed being frequented by NHIs are gaining more respectability. Hopefully, they may again receive more support from yet another official recognition that such a presence might indeed be among the valid possibilities behind the UFO phenomenon.

A report from intelligence agencies about UFOs is going to be given to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee in late June, 2021. How much will it be revealed is unknown. However, reasonably speaking, this and the possibility of future congressional hearings on UFOs (also now more technically known as UAPs) should not just promote the legitimization of ufology and of NHI-related contact experiences, but also greater worldwide interest and a worldwide conversation about what it may all mean.

Multidimensional Thinking

Comprehensively adapting to a more complex, multi-level of reality (that relates physical as well as psychic and ‘paranormal’ phenomena) and to the need for a more inclusive ethics of inner higher-dimensional connections will require major corrections and enhancements to our worldviews.

What Else May Happen?

Hopefully, under the request of a few nation-state members, the United Nations will activate decision 33/426 and - at the very least - establish a UFO research office. There is a concerted push that this may happen.

Thus, in many ways, Disclosure/confirmation of the NHI presence will be an extremely challenging, collective growing up. Moreover, it will require the active promotion of international trust and learning to live with the NHI presence under well-balanced and practical international agreements.

The ontological shock of knowing that other intelligences are on the planet interacting with us, that there may be – for the most part - little we can do about it (besides some spiritually-related forms of claiming our spiritual sovereignty), that we may have been involved with them for eons, that understanding their organization principles may be necessary to think differently and develop a viable society with related technologies is unparalleled.

Incorporating multidimensional thinking in our cultures, involving psychic and paranormal functioning, spirituality and consciousness as we aim to reorganize ourselves is daunting. And all of it happening along with the urgent need to solve the snowballing ecological crisis and the need to come together to create a healthier economic and political system. Such troubles should slap us out of our cynicism and business-as-usual complacency.

The challenges of admitting the NHI presence are truly immense, almost chimerical, and they amount to a great taxing of our human nature or, perhaps, may require its - artificial - modification and/or an unprecedented actualization of its potentials. However, there seems to be no way to avoid facing this situation if we want to continue and prosper.

[mojo]

should not just promote the legitimization of ufology and of NHI-related contact experiences, but also greater worldwide interest and a worldwide conversation about what it may all mean.

wonderfully said... :)

[Open Minded Dude]

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[aoibhghaire]

Its certainly heating up! The giggle factor is no more. We're in the phase now of not only recognizing the existence of UAP, but they are seriously considering that its extraterrestrial intelligent civilization around the Earth. This is a paradigm shift in the making. According to Chris Mellon whom is in the know, he has already indicated that when the report comes out its going to be a massive shift for our society.

The Washington Post. The Perspectives column

Daniel W. Drezner. "Yes, this is being published on April 1. No, this is not a joke column"

Some quotes from by Daniel W. Drezner. Daniel W. Drezner is a Professor of International Politics.

If UAPs are extraterrestrials, however, this is a different scenario: It is not humans contacting extraterrestrials but rather those extraterrestrials actively observing us. Furthermore, they seem to be doing so in a way that is not destructive.

Furthermore, it might be better for U.S. national security if these UAPs turn out to be ETs. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) told the New York Post, “Frankly, that if it’s something from outside this planet — that might actually be better than the fact that we’ve seen some technological leap on behalf of the Chinese or the Russians or some other adversary that allows them to conduct this activity.”

And if those UAPs are ETs, maybe there is more hope for interstellar relations than either scientists or science fiction envision.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/01/we-need-talk-about-ufos-again/

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[aoibhghaire]

Black Vault's John Greenwald interviews James Woolsey, retired Director of CIA.

Although the core subject is on the JFK assassination it unexpectedly goes into a discussion on UAP

Starts at 35:00 mins, however, there is a hidden gem inside it around 43:00, when Woolsey mentioned something curious reported by pilots of " intelligence" planes. Although we all have heard about reports from USAF, US Navy pilots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vQF4QzUX9M&t=2118s

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/former-cia-director-james-woolsey-talks-jfk-assassination-ufos/

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[aoibhghaire]

Robert Powell on the Science Behind the Nimitz UFO Encounter.

The case has become legendary.

Complete with numerous witnesses telling compelling stories, and yes, even this video that the US Navy calls “unidentified” – the Nimitz Encounter continues to fascinate and intrigue anyone with an interest in the unknown.

But what is the true science behind what we know? Some know the facts; few dissect the science. Robert Powell has done just that.

Robert Powell, who co-authored a 270 page scientific breakdown of findings relating to the Nimitz event, is here to share what they found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndbYAxejdjE

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[aoibhghaire]

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/pentagon-confirms-recent-uap-ufo-leaks-as-genuine/?fbclid=IwAR16jLS3x9Hc29Gk9FSoWGwZkELIB23fJWhxlvXD7z2auskOnxPv0POkB5U

https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/mystery-wire-podcast-new-ufo-photos-and-video/?fbclid=IwAR1wpHSw7E0aPrZpOEtABZjFShGdIatTPVOm7vD_1xMIRgLJFBDa6SWiuUo

Preliminary analysis of images

1. Images show it's out of focus craft , plane or drone, not a triangle or pyramid..Optical aberration. When you watch the full video clip it passes 2 stars in upper left and all were pyramid looking ...now if these were all stationary pyramid crafts at that latitude why hasn't the Navy didn't not have a plane in the sky.

2. Very unfortunate in many ways but still doesn't say much anyways. Its a complete entire fiasco of the pyramid UAP which is absolutely false 100 percent and amateur Navy personnel using out dated NV device by Digiscope with camcorder.

So I can only suggest it was his personal device. if The Pentagon is entrusting a movie director to disseminate this information , we already know what to expect in the future another 2 decades of misleading , misinformation ..let's just hope it's public disclosure of videos and photos etc.

3. The video js simply amateur video in someone's cheap NV gear set up and optical aberrations occur all the time when out of focus, the NV video js simply aberration and is very similar set up using Digiscope method and it produced triangles when out-of focus ..and this is all we are seeing..The pictures are the worse blurry whatever.

4. Conclusion: With all due respect, I looked at the different videos and we should take them with a grain of salt. All we have to go on is Jeremy Corbells words that the Navy has reported that these were used in training videos: "However, Gough refused to confirm whether they remain “unidentified,” or are used as training material for identifiable objects, or remain unknowns. " Why won't she confirm if they are real or not, very suspicious and so they could be bogus and used to train people how to identify real anomalies.

Jeremy Corbell sits talking to the other 'UFO experets' with a picture of Bob Lazar on his poster board which doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence. I took a screen shot of a couple of the images and they could easily be fakes as all we have is mysterious people reporting information with no documentation to back them up.

They could even be Navy personnel playing tricks on Jeremy or some others. One image looks to me like a close up of an insect and the other two like a bird splats on a window. The pyramid video could easily be faked with a stationary objects and moving the camera at different angles to simulate motion. Maybe the're real, maybe not, but there is a lot of arm waving about all the technical data they have but they present none of it except the video and images. We need to be skeptical until there is real evidence to back things up. There is so much faking and bogus nonsense that it is prudent to be skeptical until till we have solid evidence. That is a factual and also scientific attitude requirement.

aoibhghaire

[Bluegreen]

With all due respect ...

Is This Pyramid UFO just Bokeh?

"It moves like a plane, it flashes like a plane. But if it's a plane then why does it look like a "pyramid"? Well, if it's a bit out of focus, it's possible for a (camera) effect called "bokeh" to make a small distant light (like a plane, or some bright stars) look like triangles. I'm not sure this is what it is, but it's a possibility!"

Published 9th April 2021 (5:05)

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[aoibhghaire]

We may have to differentiate what are most likely adversary reconnaissance drones from the delta in the recent Navy footage?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos?fbclid=IwAR0d2bXztVHNbMbP4BX9tDrstDAyf6dDBNBbzB6jU5WTvO74juXhKRl0AyM

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[aoibhghaire]

Not exactly new news, but more news on UAP with new interviewees dealing with UAP link to ET. Sarah Scoles. Author "They are already here"

Gadi Schwartz’s full interview with Retired Navy Commander David Fravor on the unidentified object he saw flying in the sky during a training mission in 2004. Luiz Elizondo assessment. The Overview on NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-h3dIeD_A

aoibhghaire

[JDarktide]

Here we go.
Tucker reacts to confirmation of 2019 UFO swarm filmed over aircraft carrier group. Jeremy Corbell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzHho96l2kM

[mojo]

Yes JDarktide, The Gov is supposed to release information in June, so it seems they are preparing us for Disclosure or at least those that havent believed in UFOs yet. When listening to Jeremy Corbell I have to disagree with a few points he made. Corbell said, "we have to find out their intentions, and who they are." Not sure if that is a wise move, if any hostile moves are made in trying to assess an extremely advanced society it could actually harm contact and even cause a war. IMO its much better off letting the unknown make their move. Humans are too ignorant to try and gain an advantage.

[aoibhghaire]

Just reviewing this matter again as UAP heats up more.

You have no doubt seen recent news articles on the apparent "Pyramid UFOs" video obtained by Jeremy Corbell and officially confirmed as "genuine" by the US Navy.

However I have come across some very compelling videos on YouTube which I feel arguably prove to a reasonable level that this video shows nothing more than a commercial aircraft and stars, with a camera artefact known as bokeh. Have a watch of the two videos below, you will likely reach similar conclusions...
Initial video

https://youtu.be/g256IPFoqMg

Follow up video with further evidence

https://youtu.be/g256IPFoqMg

After a conversation with a friend of mine who knows a former CIA intel agent, my previous suspicion that some UAPs are man-made became more clearly focused. Some of these recently acknowledged validated photographs and videos could be man-made. The rounded edges of the triangle resemble a U.S. TR3B. If so, why would they allow themselves to be filmed? Why dismiss otherworldly UAPs as it is seen in the following (THE DRIVE -THE WAR ZONE ) article: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

We need to differentiate among unconventional vehicles filmed or photographed even if all are being officially validated.
What is the strategy of some being explained as ours, Russians or Chinese?

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[aoibhghaire]

A ‘nice’ way to manipulate public interest on UFOs is to offer prosaic or conventional explanations that sound down-to-earth, realistic and plausible to most people. For example, when Corn or Crop Circles were dismissed by the media and public interest waned after Doug & Dave said that they did them. Most people seemed satisfied with that answer. Case closed psychologically speaking.

In the same vein, by vaguely saying that verified UAPs are man-made craft or drones...made in the U.S. or China or Russia could be a similar "psychosocial" disinformation strategy. As social psychologists know: When someone doesn't want to believe in something, any little (even if barely plausible) reason against it suffices.

The article in the The Drive/The War Zone seems designed to slant public opinion in favor of a prosaic explanation. But wouldn't this strategy be short-lived due to the existence of more advanced non-human vehicles capable of outperforming man-made vehicles like the TR-3B?

So why would such an explanation be given? It would contradict the Rosin-Greer "false flag" hypothesis and also the Elizondo-TTSA and some other authorities mentioning that the vehicles are not in U.S. military assets.

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[JDarktide]

Secure Team 10 is back. He gives an analysis here, I've always liked his stuff. He also goes over other "flying triangles" that have been captured on video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIGP5MhIQRw

[aoibhghaire]

Some additional information of the people involved in putting the report together before the Senate hearings report is revealed.
A measure of the likely outcomes.

https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/the-coming-ufo-report-from-u-s-intelligence-may-blow-minds-866cbdcf9475

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[aoibhghaire]

More US Elected Officials want to sort out the UFO Issue
UAP is heating up more

Senator Mark Warner joins Senate colleagues in the UFO Narrative

US Senator Mark Warner, Chair of the powerful and influential Select Senate Committee on Intelligence has now teamed-up with other US Senate colleagues to find out more about the UFO issue.

Senator Mark Warner

The coming forward by yet another US Senator on the UAP issue represents expanding involvement by elected officials on the UFO matter.
As far back as 10 years ago, no US elected official would have ever publicly risked their political career by engaging this politically damaging matter. This has now changed

http://zlandcommunications.blogspot.com/2021/04/more-us-elected-officials-want-to-sort.html#more

aoibhghaire

[aoibhghaire]

Notification on Twitter for what looks like a major UAP event this Saturday.

https://www.thebigphonehome.com/home-page1616514516205

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[aoibhghaire]

Robert Powell and Mick West on The Nimitz UFO Encounter

This is rather like a gladiator combat/full-on UFO cage-fighting on the analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQxCOqYNFOY

To some, the Nimitz UFO Encounter defies all scientific explanation.

It has everything you would want for a UFO case to be credible… from powerful eyewitness testimony from those who were there to a video recorded by the U.S. Navy of an object that simply cannot be explained. The abundance of that evidence proves to some who look at it, even to one of the fighter jet pilots who engaged the object known as the “tic-tac,” that this may be an encounter with an object from another world.

They believe that the mysterious object chased by multiple f-18 fighter jet pilots is simply a misidentification of a known object. And the video that has circulated around the globe fascinating many who have seen it? One of three videos that has caused an international super storm of curiosity about the UFO topic? Well, skeptics believe that is easily explainable once you dissect what the video is actually showing.

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[Bill Ryan]

Robert Powell and Mick West on The Nimitz UFO Encounter

This is rather like a gladiator combat/full-on UFO cage-fighting on the analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQxCOqYNFOY

I have a lot of respect for John Greenewald, but this sounded more like something from Jerry Springer. Mick West (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_West) is not a credible, useful, constructive skeptic. He's a debunker. That's different.

The pilots on the Nimitz didn't misidentify or misdescribe anything. The real question, it seems to me (and the interesting one to discuss) is whether these were ET craft, or something based on classified advanced technology from a heavily compartmentalized USAP (Unacknowledged Special Access Program)

[aoibhghaire]

Pentagon officer and senator say UFOs disabled nuclear capability.

MYSTERY WIRE — U.S. nuclear missile facilities have been compromised, even disabled, during incidents where UFOs appeared over highly secure military installations according to a former U.S. senator and an intelligence officer who previously acted as the director of a once-secret Pentagon investigation of UFO incidents.

https://outline.com/7fXMF8

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[aoibhghaire]

An interesting response to Mick West debunking by David Fravor and Lex Fridman.

After John Greenwalt's (The Black Vault) moderation of the 'contest' between Mick West and Robert Powell.
Its good to remind ourselves of the direct experiences from David Fravor and other pilots corroborating with each others experiences.
In addition to the wide range of sensors recordings it has weakened the debunkers like West and others.
As Bill mentioned above we are either dealing with "ET craft, or something based on classified advanced technology from a heavily compartmentalized USAP (Unacknowledged Special Access Program)."

The junction point of the explanations by the debunkers are not plausible after much analysis, concluding that we dealing with a genuine UFO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBt4CNHyAck

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[aoibhghaire]

Twenty years of transparency on UFOs in Italy. “Great expectations for US revelations”

The Italian Air Force’s activity of disclosure of military data relating to sightings of unidentified flying objects is twenty years old. To remember it are the CUN (National UFO Center: www.centroufologiconazionale.net) and the CIFAS (Council of International Federation for Advanced Studies: www.cifas-italia.net), chaired respectively by Roberto Pinotti and Vladimiro Bibolotti who underline that “Italy in 2001 was the first country in the world to make publicly available” those data, which until then were ‘top secret’.

https://www.cnmng.ca/twenty-years-of-transparency-on-ufos-in-italy-great-expectations-for-us-revelations/language/english/pelum/5698/

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[aoibhghaire]

Two stories to ramp up the heat just came out.

1. Recent interview with Senator Harry Reid.
2. More revelations from The New York Post


1. The Straight Goods

George Knapp Interviews Senator Harry Reid -
https://youtu.be/H304ZTKqhjE (21:00 min)

The story behind it...

https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/harry-reid-ufo-04032021/


2. The New York Post

UFOs are real, feds’ cover-up fueled by fear: ex-Pentagon whistleblower

By Michael Kaplan and Steven Greenstreet

April 30, 2021

The NY Post Story

https://nypost.com/2021/04/30/feds-cover-up-of-ufos-puts-us-at-risk/

The Elizondo Interview imbedded in the NY Post story:
https://youtu.be/emn6jozxHxU

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[Bill Ryan]

A footnote that may well have occurred to many others:

With so very many people wrestling with one another about covid, vaccines, lockdowns and politics, the attention of most people is fully absorbed. Not only on that, but on all their own personal associated problems and stresses.

From the strategic viewpoint of whoever's controlling this possible roll-out, there may never be a more ideal time to reveal the ET presence. It's possible that most people would barely dwell on even a clear formal announcement for very long.

[aoibhghaire]

I tend to agree with you Bill that the circumstances are ripe for such an event. There is an unprecedented amount of announcements, interviews of this subject which would suggest that the competing TV channels within the MSM are jockying for positions before the Senate Hearings report in June or may be beyond. The opportunity for ET disclosure is very much in the mix. It really depends on the level revelations by the Senate Report and an ever increasing awareness with the public to think more seriously about this subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUqnBpmeO2s

I think that in the attached YouTube interview Jeremy Corbell gave very clear answers to John Hook, the local Fox News 10 reporter and it must have been eye-opening for many in the general (local) population.

But why is Fox taking the lead in this type of news today or in this stage of the disclosure/confirmation? And how will traditionalists and modern rationalists respond distinctly as confirmation of an extraterrestrial/NHI presence builds up? I think that we should have some idea about these issues based on developmental psychology and social psychology.

From a developmental psychology approach: Individuals and institutions which are more related to a "mythic developmental" stage tend to be more open to the extraordinary and otherworldly and therefore nowadays more to UFOs in general. But later on, how will they come to interpret the human relationship with "UFO intelligences" later? Perhaps (as is normal in mythic-stage-centered individuals) in binary adversarial ("not one of us") terms versus friendly ("one of us") terms according to how future social narratives connect with them in emotional and belief terms is they coinciding with their current identifications and beliefs? This is important to consider since a large % of the population still relies on mythic-stage meaning-making above facts, cold reason, and evidence.

CNN, MSNBC reporters tend to be more modern-rational, evidence-based, but also part of a modern tradition that is less open to otherworldly things in general until they personally study the phenomenon or enough evidence is presented to them by the scientific institutions they give more credence to. They may confuse UFOs with other types of belief-based otherworldly themes and try to differentiate themselves from that. Their credibility is science-based rather than based on tradition and social group belief. However, once the phenomenon is accepted, their posterior assessments may be more neutral and accurate.

Generally speaking, under normal conditions, democratic elections in the West give equal opportunity to traditionalist and modernist political representatives and future exopolitical decisions as per legislation and ways of nationally and internationally relating with the ET/NHI presence will depend on how these elected officials and their constituents normally think and make decisions as many different developmental psychology studies reveal.

We need to be aware of these matters in order to know part of what may be expected from answers-providing intermediaries.

[aoibhghaire]

3 MAY 2021

This interview of Watergate Lawyer Daniel P. Sheehan on the ET Question

Toronto [ZNN] This interview with Daniel Sheehan distills how the abuse of power among global elites has been instrumental in subverting how engagement with non-human intelligence - extraterrestrials - has been mis-represented.

Take some time to review this articulate podcast perspective that is not often found in the normal discourse of the news you think is authentic but only serves as a shield to the truth.

In addition - many of the current perspectives within social media have attempted to reframe the ET presence within a 'stylistic' and self-serving medium concerned mainly with 'data clicks', campy photos and opinion pieces by opportunists seeking to dominate and re-frame the real narrative while avoiding the essential issue:

UAP and the extraterrestrial presence are real - the government knows it - so why don't you?

You won't hear this perspective anywhere else...

but on the FILES OF THE DISCLOSURE AGENCY

... distinctive and different.

LISTEN TO DANIEL P. SHEEHAN on SPOTIFY:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1c59OoTymoEsvhXG3SLWzQ

ZNNewsNet

[aoibhghaire]

May 3, 2021 First DoD UAP published material.

DoD has announced through there publication work in progress on evaluation of UAP.

See DoD link documents below.

This is the preliminary remit before submissions to the Senate Hearings report for June.

DoD plan to begin the subject evaluation in this month May 2021. The objective of this evaluation is to determine the extent to which the DoD has taken actions regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP). They may revise the objective as the evaluation proceeds, and they will consider suggestions from management for additional or revised objectives. They will perform the evaluation at the Offices of the Secretary of Defense, Military Services, Combatant Commands, Combat Support Agencies, Defense Agencies, and the Military Criminal Investigative Organizations. They may identify additional locations during the evaluation.

Project Announcement: Evaluation of DoD Actions Regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (Project No. D2021-DEV0SN-0116.000)

https://www.dodig.mil/reports.html/Article/2594693/project-announcement-evaluation-of-the-dods-actions-regarding-the-unidentified/

https://media.defense.gov/2021/May/04/2002633947/-1/-1/1/D2021-DEV0SN-0116.000_REDACTED.PDF


aoibhghaire

[aoibhghaire]

In the previous posting the Department of Defense Office of the Inspector General has announced the launch of a formal evaluation into The Pentagon’s actions regarding “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” or UAP.

Interestingly enough, simultaneously, Jacques Vallee today published his book from the results from the UAP crash debris. However, immediately sources close have found that Jacques Vallee has just pulled the release of his latest book. Speculation is the book contained results of analysis by Vallee and Gary Nolan that contradicted recent comments by Sen. Harry Reid in the New Yorker. Or one can read into why this action was taken. Intersessions by USG?

It will be interesting has this will unravel.


aoibhghaire

[mojo]

In his email Jacques was curious about the encounters in Oregon. My relationship with Nolan opened the door to Jacque. Dr Nolan visited here a few times and had an interesting encounter. Nolan was asking if I could help him make a connection with anyone with genetic DNA evidence and pointed him to Greer. Nolan provided some tidbits of knowledge from Jacques that I shared in a past thread. The biggest surprise was that Jacques was working with Robert Bigelow on the Skinwalker Ranch before Bigelow sold it. The secret to skinwalker ranch previews tonight. I think that Jacques & Bigelow are still involved with gaining evidence on Skinwalker ranch??? Today we have all the info from season 1 and know that something paranormal is happening there. Why would Jacques turn his attention away???

[aoibhghaire]

I'm not endorsing this book, but I thought it was a timely and an appropriate book that is specifically aimed at Politicians and public.

UFO Briefing Book: A Guide to Congressional Oversight of the UAP Phenomenon
Author James P Lough Published April 2021

What Should Our Government Do About UAPs?

The book provides for politicians and us public to understand how important UFO (UAP) disclosure will be for all of us. It was written by a man with decades of government law experience.

This book is getting attention on the Hill.

Congress is scheduled to receive a report from the Director of National Intelligence on efforts of the Defense Department and intelligence agencies to understand a potential threat from unknown objects that interacted with aircraft from the USS Nimitz and USS Roosevelt in 2004 and 2014-2015.

This briefing book demonstrates how Congress can conduct its first serious review of government efforts to understand unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP). The briefing book reviews Congress' past failed attempts to inquire into this subject. It details the questions Congress needs to ask. Also, what steps Congress can take if the Pentagon and the intelligence community refuse to cooperate.

This book is for those concerned about intrusions into our airspace by objects that possess no known form of propulsion and can disable our most advanced weapons systems. Are they vehicles of a foreign adverse? Are these objects a threat to this country? Why does the Pentagon routinely remove records of these incidents and require secrecy oaths of witnesses? What is being hidden from our elected officials? This book is a road map to discovering the answers to these questions. This guide will help Congress ask the right questions that could lead to the most important issue of our time. Are we alone in the Universe?

James P. Lough is a retired attorney who specialized in government law, including constitutional law, election law and appellate practice. He taught "Decision Making in Urban Communities" at the San Diego State University School of Public Affairs. His interest in UFOs comes from having witnessed several at close range over his lifetime.

aoibhghaire

[ExomatrixTV]

UFO Disclosure Update: May 2021:

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[ExomatrixTV]

UFO Disclosure Will Heat Up in May:

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[mojo]

Does anyone think Bidens regime wants to release UFO information? Biden has 50 years of being a swamp creature and what did obama do for disclosure? This is a recent revelation and after seeing how non transparent the current regime is Im worried that the info released will be greatly watered down. I hope to be wrong though.

[aoibhghaire]

Mojo, According to Bassett 3 days ago in Washington whom is close to the whole political trends,
he thinks Biden and The Dems will release. i.e. End of ET Embargo

aoibhghaire

[Bill Ryan]

Mojo, According to Bassett 3 days ago in Washington whom is close to the whole political trends,
he thinks Biden and The Dems will release. i.e. End of ET Embargo

aoibhghaireI have a lot of respect for Steve Bassett's tireless efforts (and eternal optimism!), but he's said this many times before.

Richard Dolan's take is likely to be more accurate, in that the release of information will be partial at best, and (if Steven Greer is to be believed) maybe even framing the "possible ET presence" as threatening, ushering in the option of a major false flag event presenting the ETs as the new cosmic terrorists.

[thepainterdoug]

Biden may get me to like him if so. And Trump would have blow the opportunity. However, thats assessed with a common thinking, as if the President is actually the decider. He is not in my opinion. The CIA more likely .

[aoibhghaire]

Hard evidence has existed since 1945 for the actual recovery of unidentified flying craft in the United States, according to a new research book, TRINITY: The Best-Kept Secret (June 1st, 2021, available at Amazon). BY JACQUES VALLEE AND PAOLA HARRIS. This supersedes what was mentioned in Post 48.

The fact that Mr. Chris Mellon is acknowledging this likely crash retrieval and cover-up likely shows that not everyone in the government that should know in order to supervise actually knows. This is another step forward.

aoibhghaire

[Sunny-side-up]

Mojo, According to Bassett 3 days ago in Washington whom is close to the whole political trends,
he thinks Biden and The Dems will release. i.e. End of ET Embargo

aoibhghaireI have a lot of respect for Steve Bassett's tireless efforts (and eternal optimism!), but he's said this many times before.

Richard Dolan's take is likely to be more accurate, in that the release of information will be partial at best, and (if Steven Greer is to be believed) maybe even framing the "possible ET presence" as threatening, ushering in the option of a major false flag event presenting the ETs as the new cosmic terrorists.

Likely false flag event, been saying and worrying about that for a long time now.
One worry is that it will be used to hijack the whole phenomenon, and turned to very negative.

But Just wondering about the likely false flag event, do you think there will be man made Biological beings, avatars on the ground?
That would really kick the population into a frenzy o.0

[thepainterdoug]

Check this article out. Pentagon official allegedly calling UFO,s demonic according to Lou Elizando

https://outline.com/txykDe

[Sunny-side-up]

Check this article out. Pentagon official allegedly calling UFO,s demonic according to Lou Elizando

https://outline.com/txykDe

Yes that has always been an aspect of this phenomenon.
But I really do believe there are other good, nice, physical and none physical beings/entities.
Some just like us are the pray of the more demonic versions of aliens/bad demons.
We can't just lump them all into one mould.

[mojo]

aoibhghaire thank you for keeping the thread interesting and ongoing. Even though I highly doubt the desire/transparency of Biden regime to be forthcoming, I do believe that Trump set things in motion & declassed when he was the current POTUS and as a result the real meat will be revealed in time, but not by Biden. And this is just one avenue of disclosure, the highly intellect species that are currently here can at any time reveal more of themselves or people that are citizen investigators could come across the best evidence or make contact. Also do you think that MIB or similar military types or the Gov will try and stop citizen disclosure? Even though Biden could slow walk things it's still a great move closer to the future bringing answers. It might take another outsider politician also another consideration is the non-disclosure oath the gov and black project people were made to sign for classified research. Those people need a signed release.

[aoibhghaire]

This clarifies several things about the recent TTSA/Army announcement - materials going to an Army lab for testing:

https://www.theblackvault.com/.../u-s-army-releases.../...

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/u-s-army-releases-crada-with-to-the-stars-academy-of-arts-science/?

fbclid=IwAR1cQGkbSdjEDK7VaggZ9Qsn-0t7gIMPY_82U5oZeD6CnJL729iO_ONn4m0

U.S. Army Releases CRADA with To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science [26 Pages, 7MB]

https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/army/TTSA-ARMY-CRADA.pdf

aoibhghaire

[onawah]

CLIF HIGH – THE WOO DEAL
5/17/21
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/clif-high-the-woo-deal/
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(Video of Clif High speaking, which I will ask Mods to embed. The following is notes from Alexandra Bruce of Forbidden Knowledge.)

"On 60 Minutes last night, UFOs were casually acknowledged as real by a US Senator, a former Navy Lieutenant and a former DoD investigator, ahead of the expected release next month of a government report on such sightings.

Clif High’s predictive linguistics have long forecast this moment and the restructuring of the social order that will follow.

In this video, he echoes the views of Catherine Austin Fitts that a large part of our national debt is connected to the UFO cover-up. As he explains, “Because we’ve had to pay all these corporations to deal with UFO sh*t, because they had to pay them under the table, because they couldn’t get the authorization, because they wanted to keep it a secret, so it was the secrecy part that caused all this to happen…it never came up on the books. There was never any public debate, there was never any public acknowledgment, there was never any public audits…Anything done in secret allows for theft…

“Because they kept it secret, they inflated money and brought vast quantities amount more debt in this weird relationship between our government and the banksters…and so the banksters created money to loan it to the government and vice versa, buying the bonds and so on.

“A lot of this debt went into maintaining the infrastructure that kept secrets around UFOs for seven decades, at least. So could we have done this without the Federal Reserve and paper money? Could we have done the UFO secrets on a gold and silver standard? My argument is, no, it could not have happened, just as you could not have had World War I or World War II on a gold or silver standard. It would have happened. When you pay for war with hard money, wars are short…

“It’s the secret part that has inflated everything, because the corporations are saying, ‘Government isn’t reporting this on the books. Add another 20% on there!”

He explains that the “Woo Deal” is the deal that the military is making; the controllers are making. “They’re going to surrender the woo in order to get a deal that they don’t have to pay for the secrecy anymore, because it is a crushing burden and it has crushed them and they’ve actually come to the end of their ability to deal with it, primarily because of ‘wooflation’…

“We will learn about what our government thinks it knows about the UFOs. We may learn something that it actually knows about the UFOs but I doubt we’re going to learn very much of the UFOs, in terms of their own internal secrets…

“The big benefit for everybody is that the debt bubble is now released, relative to the secrecy, once this has occurred…They want to keep the secrets but they’re just no longer interested in keeping the secrets about the [existence of] UFOs…

“The controllers are sitting on a dying money system that’s hyperinflating in response to the vast quantities of debt that’s already been created and it’s a known process, how fiat money dies and we’re in the latter part of that now…

“Wooflation is actually the hunt for value and we’re in that period of time now. We don’t know what the value is, because we’ve been suckered for so long, in dealing with paper that has a decreasing amount of purchasing power, as they inflate the quantity…A key aspect of value is timing, speed and location…

“The Woo Deal is going to…participate in the debt bubble losing air pressure, because they’re not going to be able to hyperinflate through all of these hidden projects anymore, which was an aspect of hyperinflation…The big process kicks off next month, in June, as the secrets start coming out and that’s when the debt bubble is going to slowly start deflating.

“All of our economic issues are going to change, the social order is going to change, because there won’t be people being bribed anymore. They won’t have money, they’re going to have to find some new line of work, because it won’t be necessary to keep those kind of secrets, etc. Plus, we ‘re going to learn things about UFOs that are going to change the nature of our thinking about ourselves, about our planet, about our interaction with each other…”

[aoibhghaire]

I believe this is heating up even more after the CBS 60mins.
In particular, the aftermath that is becoming more revealing.

MYSTERY WIRE - George Knapp and Lue Elizondo talk about 60 Minutes UFO report.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjf-rtQll4
In particular, I suggest PA review this Knapp interview.

Following that review I suggest those interested in Disclosure in PA to listen to Victor Viggialini POST 60 Minutes discussion with Steven Bassett. This is a totally different perspective on the political chess game of Disclosure and what the POST DISCLOSURE World might look like.

https://anchor.fm/zlandcommunications/episodes/Steven-Bassett-on-the-Historical-CBS-60-Minutes-program-on-UAP-e112uea

aoibhghaire

[Bill Ryan]

I believe this is heating up even more after the CBS 60mins.
In particular, the aftermath that is becoming more revealing.

MYSTERY WIRE - George Knapp and Lue Elizondo talk about 60 Minutes UFO report.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjf-rtQll4
In particular, I suggest PA review this Knapp interview.

Well, there's not all that much to review here. But what always leaps out at me so clearly is that Elizondo seems to consistently maintain and support the position that the Pentagon is somehow scrambling to analyze and evaluate all this, as if they've only just realized in the last few years that something's happening, and may be confused about a number of things — like, whether the UFOs are a threat or not.

And George Knapp, of course, knows the deep, complex, detailed and documented 70+ year history as well as anyone. Yet he never asks any of the obvious questions. And Elizondo never chooses to go there himself.

I've said this many times: but I absolutely do NOT trust what's happening here. There's a good-cop-bad-cop thing happening, and Elizondo is the good cop. But he's still a cop.

[Agape]

Yes it is likely going back to square 1. Check the CIA files and other available resources and they did come up with all the “threat assessment” in 50s.

It’s kind of ridiculous. Renaming ‘UFOs” to “UAPs” increases the space of phenomenal apparitions and speculations likewise.

Silly childish game from/by those who either don’t know WHAT are you talking about or worse, their effort to blur and distort reality of ET - human contact.

Square one really. No news.


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[Kryztian]

... I suggest those interested in Disclosure in PA to listen to Victor Viggialini POST 60 Minutes discussion with Steven Bassett. This is a totally different perspective on the political chess game of Disclosure and what the POST DISCLOSURE World might look like.

https://anchor.fm/zlandcommunications/episodes/Steven-Bassett-on-the-Historical-CBS-60-Minutes-program-on-UAP-e112uea



Yes, excellent suggestion, and some really good points made in this podcast. Not that I agree with all of the exactly, but here are a few points Steven Bassett made:


Of the three major networks, CBS owns this issue. They also did (60 minutes) the interview with Robert Bigelow where he stated that there is already an ET presence here on Earth. The other networks will be pressured to catch up or seem irrelevant.


In the same way, Marco Rubio seems to own the issue and it will benefit his political career greatly. If we have congressional hearings, other politicians will be out there, competing for the limelight. It will be a big photo op.


Rubio says they want unclassified materials in the report next month, information that can be shared with the public.


This report will inevitably lead to congressional hearings. These will be the most watched hearings in history. Most of the witnesses put forth will be military.


Chris Mellon stated the "surreptitiously" obtained the UFO videos that were leaked to the NY Times. This was done against the will of many at the Dept. of Defense, BUT that fact that the DOD could not shut disclosure down shows that there are also many supporters there as well.


Mellon, Justice and Elizondo left TTSA (To the Stars Academy) probably because they are now working on Congressional Hearings and this would be a conflict of interest if there were negotiating for these hearings.


Congressional hearings will be a big opportunity for congress members and the White House to appear authoritative and call for further investigations into the issue. They will both throw the Dept. of Defense under the bus when it comes to laying blame for the cover up.



After Disclosure, the whole world will "go to school" in order to learn about the E.T. issue. Just as we all had to become "computer savvy" when PCs became affordable and popular, everyone will want to understand this issue.


If the whole world recognizes and accepts the idea that E.T. is here in our part of the universe, then E.T. might just show his/her face!


The awareness of E.T. might also lead us to question all the war/military/violent agendas that are out there.

[aoibhghaire]

Chris Melon and Sean Cahil (retired US Navy Chief Master at Arms) talks
to Chris Cumo.

https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/05/18/government-report-ufo-cuomo-intv-cpt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

aoibhghaire

[Bill Ryan]

Chris Mellon and Sean Cahill (retired US Navy Chief Master at Arms) talks
to Chris Cuomo.

https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/05/18/government-report-ufo-cuomo-intv-cpt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

aoibhghaireI watched the CNN piece, just a few minutes. So, so dreadful. Anyone who's studied the real history of Ufology for more than a few months will be able to see what's seriously wrong with this media-massaged picture.

[Bill Ryan]

I suggest those interested in Disclosure in PA to listen to Victor Viggialini POST 60 Minutes discussion with Steven Bassett. This is a totally different perspective on the political chess game of Disclosure and what the POST DISCLOSURE World might look like.

https://anchor.fm/zlandcommunications/episodes/Steven-Bassett-on-the-Historical-CBS-60-Minutes-program-on-UAP-e112uea

aoibhghaireAnd I listened to that, too. Well, kudos to Steve Bassett. He's a good politician, and of course that's how come he's managed to stay afloat all these years, despite significant obstacles and hardships.

These hearings are what he's literally dedicated his life to. And in this presentation, he makes a very good fist of explaining how the puppet show must play out. (And a puppet show it is, of course.)

In my posts above, I expressed my own personal distaste for the puppet show. The scripted theater. The public, poker-faced pretense that things are so very different from the very well-known truth.

But I do [kind of!] understand that this is what it really needs to be, the only way out of the corner that the US Agencies and Military (and maybe MJ-12 — anyone remember them?! :) ) have painted themselves into. I don't like it, and I wish I lived in a different world, where truths could be spoken and apologies made, with good people being respected for that courage.

But political humans aren't like that. They're game-players. And they play the odds, very often safely backing the horse that's in front. And in so doing, they play safe with their own reputations and careers.

And — remember?? This is so often clean forgotten — TTSA itself was formed after Tom DeLonge went to the Pentagon with his wild proposal, and some specialist groups there started to realize that maybe they could use this populist musician guy to help them get out of their corner.

Then they loaded TTSA up with people with resumés who would add gravitas, and all this time Lou Elizondo has been doing and saying exactly what he's been told to.

Because it's all been wargamed out already.That's what's been happening. I'll stake my entire reputation on that.

I'm certain.

So now, the Pentagon will get their way. There will indeed be some kind of 'Disclosure', but as we can see already, it'll be very partial, and — it seems — someone extremely senior in the Pentagon or beyond is allowing all this to happen having obtained the guarantee that the ETs are presented to the world as a likely threat.

That's part of the deal that was made. And whether they agree personally or not, everyone involved is going along with that simply because Disclosure of any kind at all, they believe, is better than none. So everyone is complicit in this. Everyone. Even George Knapp. He knows all this.

That's the origin story for ALL of this. The Pentagon was driving it all from the beginning. Bookmark this post, and in a few months' time, maybe read it again and see. :)

[thepainterdoug]

Bill very good comments and observations. the best lie to tell is one of partial truths. Its a great way to say and cover yourself for the perhiperal flack returned . Its why drills always accompany an event.
god its all so tiring.

[Did You See Them]

Former President Barack Obama on Monday offered a blunt assessment of the videos of unidentified aerial phenomenon that have continued to gain attention in the United States.

"What is true, and I'm actually being serious here, is that there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are," he said.

Obama's comments add to the growing legitimacy of the reports of the unidentified phenomenon and the government's awareness of them at high levels.

Appearing on "The Late Late Show with James Corden" on CBS, Obama offered some levity on the question of aliens and his personal curiosity before assuming a more serious demeanor.

"We can't explain how they move, their trajectory," he said. "They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so I think that people still take seriously, trying to investigate and figure out what that is."

The U.S. Navy has for years confirmed the legitimacy of videos from jet fighters that tracked unidentified objects, some of which moved in ways that aeronautics experts have struggled to explain.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/obama-ufo-videos-dont-know-exactly-are-rcna963

So for 8 years as president he covered up, ridiculed and dismissed the subject - and now we are meant to "Trust" their assessment when it comes !!

[Bill Ryan]

Daniel Liszt nails it. Just the first few minutes is a good summary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbdu8jOQ-Kc

[ExomatrixTV]

'Just disappeared': Veteran combat pilot describes UFO sighting

CNN's Anderson Cooper talks to retired Navy Lt. Commander Alex Dietrich (https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/05/19/alex-dietrich-ufo-sighting-ac360-intv-vpx.cnn), a veteran combat pilot, about her report of spotting a UFO off the coast of San Diego in 2004.

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Something in the air: The increased attention to UFOs:

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[mountain_jim]

Good ole CIA man Anderson to help sell the messaging.

[Bluegreen]

Good ole CIA man Anderson to help sell the messaging.

Disgusts me to look at him

[Star Wonder]

I have not read nor posted here in a good while, but now that we are approaching the advent of disclosure I want to be here. I am so glad that my past years were spent studying with Bill and Kerry on Project Camelot and Project Avalon. I watched all of the videos that were produced by their teamwork especially regarding ET. Some were exceedingly awesome, but all were informative and enlightening.

The reason that I have not been here for several years is due to all of the political talk. It did not matter which side it was from, but it greatly diminished the value of the forum for me. I realize that the freedom that the forum allowed gave rise to this event, however it was presented that Bill started this forum to discuss the very many strange events that occur in our universe. That is why I visited here in the past years.

Now, we are seeing the gates open up on disclosure. It is important that we give our views on the credible people as well as the non credible people so we can know who to trust. It is also important that we stay as unified as a people as possible. I am grateful to you all for the links, summaries and critiques of each one. And most especially, I am grateful to Bill and Kerry for schooling me on this major series of events that, as it is disclosed, will indeed change our world forever.

[Rawhide68]

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This Just In!

Dr. Steven Greer talks about Daniel Sheehan & Luis Elizondo's cooperation lately, quite interesting actually.

[Spellbound]

en0GsxgwMmA

This Just In!

Dr. Steven Greer talks about Daniel Sheehan & Luis Elizondo's cooperation lately, quite interesting actually.

Normally I don't put much credence into Greer as I dislike his stance that all ET's are benevolent (he's also very high on himself and charges a fortune...but we won't go there). However, the above clip is rather interesting. I've seen tweets lately from various gov't officials trying to push ETs as an immediate threat to mankind. The above clip dovetails into that. I'll always remember what Werner Von Braun said to Carol Rosen decades ago about a fake alien invasion (Project Bluebean, if I'm not mistaken).

Personally, I think they are pushing this as a distraction which will further push the Great Reset and as a distraction from the ballot recounts in some US states that could prove voter fraud (nothing to see here, folks), which also dovetails into the Great Reset if you want to get right down to it.

Thank you for posting the above clip Rawhide. Much appreciated.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

en0GsxgwMmA

This Just In!

Dr. Steven Greer talks about Daniel Sheehan & Luis Elizondo's cooperation lately, quite interesting actually.

Normally I don't put much credence into Greer as I dislike his stance that all ET's are benevolent (he's also very high on himself and charges a fortune...but we won't go there). However, the above clip is rather interesting. I've seen tweets lately from various gov't officials trying to push ETs as an immediate threat to mankind. The above clip dovetails into that. I'll always remember what Werner Von Braun said to Carol Rosen decades ago about a fake alien invasion (Project Bluebean, if I'm not mistaken).

Personally, I think they are pushing this as a distraction which will further push the Great Reset and as a distraction from the ballot recounts in some US states that could prove voter fraud (nothing to see here, folks), which also dovetails into the Great Reset if you want to get right down to it.

:bump:

Very, very interesting. It appears I was 100% right in my post here 2 days ago (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114409-UAP-is-heating-up-&p=1429095&viewfull=1#post1429095), where I wrote:




Remember?? This is so often clean forgotten — TTSA itself was formed after Tom DeLonge went to the Pentagon with his wild proposal, and some specialist groups there started to realize that maybe they could use this populist musician guy to help them get out of their corner.

Then they loaded TTSA up with people with resumés who would add gravitas, and all this time Lou Elizondo has been doing and saying exactly what he's been told to.

Because it's all been wargamed out already.That's what's been happening. I'll stake my entire reputation on that.

I'm certain.

So now, the Pentagon will get their way. There will indeed be some kind of 'Disclosure', but as we can see already, it'll be very partial, and — it seems — someone extremely senior in the Pentagon or beyond is allowing all this to happen having obtained the guarantee that the ETs are presented to the world as a likely threat.

That's part of the deal that was made. And whether they agree personally or not, everyone involved is going along with that simply because Disclosure of any kind at all, they believe, is better than none. So everyone is complicit in this. Everyone. Even George Knapp. He knows all this.

That's the origin story for ALL of this. The Pentagon was driving it all from the beginning. Bookmark this post, and in a few months' time, maybe read it again and see. :)

Well, read it again not in a few months' time, but just a few days. :)

Now Greer is going public that lawyer Danny Sheehan — who understands all of this perfectly, of course — has reported that Luis Elizondo (a) confirms all I said above, and (b) is now being targeted by the Pentagon for going off the agreed script about the "threat". (And if he really is trying to stand up to them, then kudos.)

Today, Elizondo is appearing live in a virtual conference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAZOL5XkEmE) hosted by Richard Dolan. Rich has said he will ask Elizondo all the hard questions. Let's see if he really does.

[Agape]

Yes it’s exactly what I meant as well.

🙏🦢🙏

[Did You See Them]

Today, Elizondo is appearing live in a virtual conference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAZOL5XkEmE) hosted by Richard Dolan. Rich has said he will ask Elizondo all the hard questions. Let's see if he really does.

Thanks for the link.

[Kryztian]

I shelled out the $139 to go to the Dolan/Elizondo meeting today. The last part is Elizondo alone where you "get to ask him anything". That should be interesting. I will try and take some notes and post them.

[Bill Ryan]

I shelled out the $139 to go to the Dolan/Elizondo meeting today. The last part is Elizondo alone where you "get to ask him anything". That should be interesting. I will try and take some notes and post them.Chris, do please see if you can record the audio, maybe even with a dictaphone, a desktop screen/audio recorder, or an app on your smartphone.

I have no idea if Richard will release the conversation later (or charge for it!), but we really do need to know this stuff. It transcends anyone's personal intention to make money.

[ZenBaller]

I was just reading basketball news and bumped into this:

https://streamable.com/2wbk06 (not sure if this can be embedded)

Jimmy Kimmel talking to Shaquille O'Neal (today?) about UFOs. O'Neal admitting he is a believer and sharing his personal experience.

This is getting serious. They are pushing the agenda to the masses without hesitating anymore. Phrases by Kimmel like "I feel like it's not getting as much attention as it should" is classic manipulation.

[Kryztian]

en0GsxgwMmA


At his virtual conference yesterday, Richard Dolan gave two presentations and interviewed Luis Elizondo. It was a virtual environment where you had an avatar and moved around a virtual conference room - rather gimmicky and annoying in my opinion, but it did allow Richard to make some remarks offstage to just a few people in the vicinity and I happened to hear it. He said that after this video came out, he talked to both Elizondo and Daniel Sheehan by phone (evening of May 19th) and both of them denied Greer's allegation that Sheehan made the condition that he would represent Elizondo "only as long as he told the truth." Dolan said that these remarks were "defamatory" and when he asked Sheehan about them: "Danny did not agree."

I made lots of notes and will rewatch the parts I missed (because of the annoying interface would not work properly and also crashed) and post them here. I certainly hope Richard will make these presentations public domain, especially the second one where he proved inconclusively, that defense corporations have been re-engineering crash retrieved materials and created a breakaway civilization.

As for Elizondo, I am convinced that he is for real, that he really wants disclosure, and that he is trying to say as much as he can without loosing his security clearance. If there are people who want up the "alien threat" agenda to build up the military even further, he is not one of them. At one point, Elizondo said that he was religious, but stated that it was science and not religion that informed how he understood this phenomena. However, there is a group of people who in the Pentagon whose religious views do dominate the understanding of this phenomena and they are interfering with it. At that point, Dolan asked if he was talking about the "Collins Elite (https://www.amazon.com/EVENTS-Secret-Government-Demonic-Afterlife-ebook/dp/B004URRYPS)" and Elizondo retorted "That's exactly who I am talking about."

I was hoping to get some good notes from Elizondo's talk but it is hard to bullet point what he said, because he was walking a thin line between telling us what we want and need to know, and not violating his security clearance, and his answers were very convoluted, although it was clear he really wanted to communicate as much as he could. One thing I can say is that he has a genuine outrage about the illegal secrecy that is taking place and really believes that the disclosure of what we know about E.T. and what we have learned technologically, could greatly benefit mankind and bring about a new age.

Also, he pretty much stated that he is an experiencer, without stating this explicitly. He said of AATIP, that you could not just join it, that they had to find you. Later someone asked him about how and why AATIP found him, and without saying this explicity, insinuated that it was because of some experiences he had.

If Elizondo is a CIA agent with a dark agenda, then he has to be one of the greatest actors on the planet. The next person I would like to see vetted in a similar manner is Chris Mellon.

[holcaul]

en0GsxgwMmA
If Elizondo is a CIA agent with a dark agenda, then he has to be one of the greatest actors on the planet...

He is exactly THAT. The best actors/liars are NOT in Hollywood or Broadway. The best "actors" are recruited by the counterintelligence community. By his own admission, Elizondo served in CIA COUNTERintelligence. It is in his job description. His job was to deceive the enemy, to LIE to other spooks. He has to be a master of lies. I would not trust him selling me a piece of gum, let alone disclosing the UFO reality that was kept hidden for 70 years by the very organization that employed him. And also, please don't be naive there is NO such thing as "former" CIA, let alone former CIA counterintelligence officer.

Did Richard or anyone during the Q & A ask him the following questions:

1. Do you currently work for the CIA? If not, have you been recently reactivated?

2. Was the TTSA created as a front for pushing the ALien threat narrative?

3. Are you officially not part of TTSA? and Why?

4. Why the TTSA is in so much debt?

5. Why 80%-90% of members of the TTSA are CIA employees? Are they really FORMER CIA employees?

6. Are the creation of the "UAP task force" as well as the recent sudden shift in the MSM attitude towards the UFO subject, part of the preparation of the masses for "9/11" style Alien Invasion scenario?

7. Why was the term UFO changed to UAP?

There are so many more questions to ask. Was Elizondo asked any of those questions directly and if so, what were his answers?

[Kryztian]

1. Do you currently work for the CIA? If not, have you been recently reactivated?


Where is the evidence he works for the CIA? Officially, he works for the Dept of Defense, which, like the CIA mostly consists of well intentioned people but also has some sinister characters lurking in its hallways. Without any actual evidence, I don't see any reason to ask that question.



2. Was the TTSA created as a front for pushing the ALien threat narrative?


I my post above I discussed how Elizondo views the "alien threat" issue.



3. Are you officially not part of TTSA? and Why?

He officially resigned several months ago, along with Chris Mellon and others. The official reason was that TTSA was getting too involved with entertainment. Stephen Basset in the interview above (which I bullet pointed) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114409-UAP-is-heating-up-&p=1429064&viewfull=1#post1429064) gives another plausible explanation as why this may have been done.


4. Why the TTSA is in so much debt?

Now, that is a good question. Or better, where did the investment money come from? How many of us have worked at jobs and asked "where is the money to fund this enterprise coming from?" I doubt he would know the real reason for that.



5. Why 80%-90% of members of the TTSA are CIA employees? Are they really FORMER CIA employees?

Where does that statistic come from? Some certainly do, such as Jim Semivan. Most are from DOD, and a few private individuals.



6. Are the creation of the "UAP task force" as well as the recent sudden shift in the MSM attitude towards the UFO subject, part of the preparation of the masses for "9/11" style Alien Invasion scenario?

Would you seriously ask a question like that in a conference and expect a worthwhile answer?


7. Why was the term UFO changed to UAP?

That's a question I would love to put to Hillary Clinton. I assume the answer is so that the government/media can use than term and steal the narrative from the Ufology community. Elizondo several times mentioned how much respect he had for Ufology and the people who are studying this phenomena and how they are the most important part of explaining to the world what is really going on.


There are so many more questions to ask.

Indeed there are, but I don't Luis Elizondo is the one who has all the answers.

[onawah]

Elizondo was invited by Dark Journalist many times to appear on his show but has never responded.
You can bet that DJ would be asking him all those on-target questions as he stated in his last show at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbdu8jOQ-Kc&t=4078s, and that's why he has never gotten a response.

[holcaul]

1. Do you currently work for the CIA? If not, have you been recently reactivated?


Where is the evidence he works for the CIA? Officially, he works for the Dept of Defense, which, like the CIA mostly consists of well intentioned people but also has some sinister characters lurking in its hallways. Without any actual evidence, I don't see any reason to ask that question.



2. Was the TTSA created as a front for pushing the ALien threat narrative?


I my post above I discussed how Elizondo views the "alien threat" issue.



3. Are you officially not part of TTSA? and Why?

He officially resigned several months ago, along with Chris Mellon and others. The official reason was that TTSA was getting too involved with entertainment. Stephen Basset in the interview above (which I bullet pointed) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114409-UAP-is-heating-up-&p=1429064&viewfull=1#post1429064) gives another plausible explanation as why this may have been done.


4. Why the TTSA is in so much debt?

Now, that is a good question. Or better, where did the investment money come from? How many of us have worked at jobs and asked "where is the money to fund this enterprise coming from?" I doubt he would know the real reason for that.



5. Why 80%-90% of members of the TTSA are CIA employees? Are they really FORMER CIA employees?

Where does that statistic come from? Some certainly do, such as Jim Semivan. Most are from DOD, and a few private individuals.



6. Are the creation of the "UAP task force" as well as the recent sudden shift in the MSM attitude towards the UFO subject, part of the preparation of the masses for "9/11" style Alien Invasion scenario?

Would you seriously ask a question like that in a conference and expect a worthwhile answer?


7. Why was the term UFO changed to UAP?

That's a question I would love to put to Hillary Clinton. I assume the answer is so that the government/media can use than term and steal the narrative from the Ufology community. Elizondo several times mentioned how much respect he had for Ufology and the people who are studying this phenomena and how they are the most important part of explaining to the world what is really going on.


There are so many more questions to ask.

Indeed there are, but I don't Luis Elizondo is the one who has all the answers.

In some interviews, Elizondo did mention that he was CIA counterintelligence, and I believe it was mentioned in his TTSA bio. I never said he is ill-intentioned, he is just doing his job. Just like all intelligence community operatives, big or small. The vast majority believe that they are doing it for the common good. Even the Davos people convinced themselves that the culling of population and the great reset is all for the best of humanity.

The main reason to ask all those, seemingly, "pointless" questions is to put him on the spot and on the record as well as examine his body language when he answers them. The more uncomfortable and direct questions you ask the more body language and facial cues you get to examine. This is the true value of asking those questions.

[Kryztian]

Elizondo was invited by Dark Journalist many times to appear on his show but has never responded.


I can't imagine that anything Daniel Liszt talks about in terms of TTSA are issues that Luis Elezondo could respond to without violating his security clearance. Even if Elizondo just sat there and just answered over and over again and said "I can't answer that", appearing on his show would pretty much make him persona non grata any place in Washington D.C.

This isn't a whistleblower on his death bed talking about what happened 50 years ago, this is someone who still has a security clearance, is still welcome in the Pentagon, and could be an important witness on Capitol Hill in the coming months if there are congressional hearings. Fully answering questions like those asked here pretty much insures he will either end up in prison or exiled like Edward Snowden. There are a lot of people in the Pentagon and Langley, Virginia who would like to shut down any type of disclosure and getting him out of the way just might be the ticket.

The other thing I will say about Elizondo is that he is a military man. He spent his life obeying orders and being part of a hierarchy and believing that the military is "defending the freedoms of Americans". That doesn't combine very well with being a conspiracy theorist, although he is pretty much stating that there is a conspiracy (or crime) in terms of the UFO coverup. He is one person in one position with one set of experiences in a system that is very compartmentalized. If there is an element of deception to the coming Disclosure, he's not the one who would know about it. Those people do not appear publicly.

[holcaul]

The bottom line is that it sounds like another missed opportunity.

Oh well.

[onawah]

As DJ says," You can't ask a Spook a straight question." And if he did reveal anything he's not supposed to, you can bet he would immediately be replaced.


Elizondo was invited by Dark Journalist many times to appear on his show but has never responded.


I can't imagine that anything Daniel Liszt talks about in terms of TTSA are issues that Luis Elezondo could respond to without violating his security clearance. Even if Elizondo just sat there and just answered over and over again and said "I can't answer that", appearing on his show would pretty much make him persona non grata any place in Washington D.C.

This isn't a whistleblower on his death bed talking about what happened 50 years ago, this is someone who still has a security clearance, is still welcome in the Pentagon, and could be an important witness on Capitol Hill in the coming months if there are congressional hearings. Fully answering questions like those asked here pretty much insures he will either end up in prison or exiled like Edward Snowden. There are a lot of people in the Pentagon and Langley, Virginia who would like to shut down any type of disclosure and getting him out of the way just might be the ticket.

The other thing I will say about Elizondo is that he is a military man. He spent his life obeying orders and being part of a hierarchy and believing that the military is "defending the freedoms of Americans". That doesn't combine very well with being a conspiracy theorist, although he is pretty much stating that there is a conspiracy (or crime) in terms of the UFO coverup. He is one person in one position with one set of experiences in a system that is very compartmentalized. If there is an element of deception to the coming Disclosure, he's not the one who would know about it. Those people do not appear publicly.

[Bill Ryan]

I shelled out the $139 to go to the Dolan/Elizondo meeting today. The last part is Elizondo alone where you "get to ask him anything". That should be interesting. I will try and take some notes and post them.

Chris, did you manage to gather together any notes or anything else you can report here to help us understand where Elizondo is at right now?

Rich Dolan, and others present who might have been able to ask questions, may not have seen Steven Greer's new update about Lou Elizondo, which is below and really very interesting. Recommended.

In a tiny nutshell, it's about how lawyer Danny Sheehan, one of Greer's close associates, is working with Elizondo to [try to] free him up from his Pentagon strings and constraints. Elizondo has been on a script (which is why he's distrusted by many, including myself), but knows full well there's no 'threat'. If he comes clean, which Greer states he wants to, then many watching all this may change their opinions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en0GsxgwMmA

[ExomatrixTV]

Perception Managers (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115053-Senator-Rubio-warns-about-UAP-threat&p=1428829&viewfull=1#post1428829)

[Bluegreen]

Luis Elizondo's lawyer Danny Sheehan talks about UFO segment on 60 Minutes

"They're clearly choreographing some kind of limited hangout."

Published 18th May 2021 (9:25)
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[ExomatrixTV]

GRANT CAMERON 60 Minutes UAP Special-Post Game show:

XPIL8qslkkE

[Kryztian]

Chris, did you manage to gather together any notes or anything else you can report here to help us understand where Elizondo is at right now?

Bill, I made some notes from Dolan's first lecture titled "UFO Secrecy: The 2030 Agency". Parts of it just summarized the history of UFO secrecy but he made some excellent points at the end. I will post them on the Richard Dolan thread when I have time. His second presentation was really outstanding, although I missed part of if because the gimmicky software they used for the conference crashed on my computer. I have 30 days to access the file and I want to give it a second viewing. It proves absolutely that the military industrial complex has retrieved materials and has engineered some incredible things that the public does not know about. I hope he releases this one to the public.




Elizondo has been on a script (which is why he's distrusted by many, including myself), I don't know if I would call it a script, from what I saw of him at yesterday's show. But you might call it a leash with a muzzle.

[onawah]

I would say that there definitely IS a threat (a false flag event staged by our government(s), but this so-called Disclosure is designed to distract from it.


Elizondo has been on a script (which is why he's distrusted by many, including myself), but knows full well there's no 'threat'. If he comes clean, which Greer states he wants to, then many watching all this may change their opinions.

[aoibhghaire]

Immediate deflection from Biden regarding Obama's Late Show comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/ufos-ask-obama-biden-quips-when-questioned-about-unidentified-aerial-n1268225

[Kryztian]

Immediate deflection from Biden regarding Obama's Late Show comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/ufos-ask-obama-biden-quips-when-questioned-about-unidentified-aerial-n1268225

Wow! Here's the transcript:


Reporter: President Obama says there is footage and records of objects in the sky — these unidentified aerial phenomena — and he says we don’t know exactly what they are. What do you think?

Joe Biden: I would ask him again. Thank you.

After he hears the name "Obama", Joe Biden makes this awkward smile - did he know the question is coming and already react to soon with a sarcastic smile to poo poo the alien thing?

It's clear from how he ran off the stage while forgetting to pull the earbuds out of his ears that he wanted no more to say about the subject. I imagine someone talking into his ear buds and saying. "Okay Joe, off the stage quickly, but keep smiling at the camera and walk slowly."

[holcaul]

I highly recommend yesterday's Special Report on CIA UFO Invasion Op by Daniel Liszt (Dark Journalist)...

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[Bill Ryan]

GRANT CAMERON 60 Minutes UAP Special-Post Game show:
XPIL8qslkkE:bump:

This conversation really comes alive when lawyer Danny Sheehan joins in at 1:06:34. The YouTube clip posted by Bluegreen in post #101 above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114409-UAP-is-heating-up-&p=1429653&viewfull=1#post1429653) is just a short introductory part of that.

Sheehan goes from strength to strength, and is on for a further hour and a half, almost the entire rest of the show which closes at 2:40:32.

(And note: this video is unlisted, and has had only 19 views to date. Go figure. There's a LOT of fascinating information in there, most of it from Sheehan and some of which I'd definitely never heard before. Highly recommended.)

[onawah]

Best conversation I've heard in a long time! :bump:
It makes me wonder if the new effort by the government is their pathetic response to the alleged communication from ETs that if the governments (especially the US gov.) don't disclose, the ETs will.
There must be a lot of infighting going on between those who want to and those who are reluctant, and those who want to create a false flag event as an excuse for more fascist controls of the public and the depopulation agenda.
But it's very interesting that Sheehan is talking about independent individuals who have made Contact (such as in the CE5 movement that Dr. Greer started), and what role they might have in this gradually evolving disclosure project.
But many of those individuals may be very reluctant, and with good reason, to come forward publicly with what they've experienced.
I think there was a law on the books in the US at some point to the effect that it is actually illegal to make Contact (not just sightings), wasn't there?




GRANT CAMERON 60 Minutes UAP Special-Post Game show: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XPIL8qslkkE
:bump:

This conversation really comes alive when lawyer Danny Sheehan joins in at 1:06:34. The YouTube clip posted by Bluegreen in post #101 above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114409-UAP-is-heating-up-&p=1429653&viewfull=1#post1429653) is just a short introductory part of that.

Sheehan goes from strength to strength, and is on for a further hour and a half, almost the entire rest of the show which closes at 2:40:32.

(And note: this video is unlisted, and has had only 19 views to date. Go figure. There's a LOT of fascinating information in there, most of it from Sheehan and some of which I'd definitely never heard before. Highly recommended.)

[Did You See Them]

Great debate and info - 2h.40 well spent.
Couldn't agree more with one of the closing comments at the end -"We are the danger" !

[Rawhide68]

cawAuqedA-s
"The Pentagon got dragged kicking and screaming to disclosure .." I like that description :lalala:



Not related to the clip.

Wernher Von Braun inferred to an extraterrestrial reality in this 1959 statement:

"We find ourselves faced by powers which are far stronger than hitherto assumed, and whose base is at present unknown to us. More I cannot say at present. We are now engaged in entering into closer contact with those powers, and within six or nine months time it may be possible to speak with more precision on the matter."

[Star Wonder]

I suggest those interested in Disclosure in PA to listen to Victor Viggialini POST 60 Minutes discussion with Steven Bassett. This is a totally different perspective on the political chess game of Disclosure and what the POST DISCLOSURE World might look like.

https://anchor.fm/zlandcommunications/episodes/Steven-Bassett-on-the-Historical-CBS-60-Minutes-program-on-UAP-e112uea

aoibhghaireAnd I listened to that, too. Well, kudos to Steve Bassett. He's a good politician, and of course that's how come he's managed to stay afloat all these years, despite significant obstacles and hardships.

These hearings are what he's literally dedicated his life to. And in this presentation, he makes a very good fist of explaining how the puppet show must play out. (And a puppet show it is, of course.)

In my posts above, I expressed my own personal distaste for the puppet show. The scripted theater. The public, poker-faced pretense that things are so very different from the very well-known truth.

But I do [kind of!] understand that this is what it really needs to be, the only way out of the corner that the US Agencies and Military (and maybe MJ-12 — anyone remember them?! :) ) have painted themselves into. I don't like it, and I wish I lived in a different world, where truths could be spoken and apologies made, with good people being respected for that courage.

But political humans aren't like that. They're game-players. And they play the odds, very often safely backing the horse that's in front. And in so doing, they play safe with their own reputations and careers.

And — remember?? This is so often clean forgotten — TTSA itself was formed after Tom DeLonge went to the Pentagon with his wild proposal, and some specialist groups there started to realize that maybe they could use this populist musician guy to help them get out of their corner.

Then they loaded TTSA up with people with resumés who would add gravitas, and all this time Lou Elizondo has been doing and saying exactly what he's been told to.

Because it's all been wargamed out already.That's what's been happening. I'll stake my entire reputation on that.

I'm certain.

So now, the Pentagon will get their way. There will indeed be some kind of 'Disclosure', but as we can see already, it'll be very partial, and — it seems — someone extremely senior in the Pentagon or beyond is allowing all this to happen having obtained the guarantee that the ETs are presented to the world as a likely threat.

That's part of the deal that was made. And whether they agree personally or not, everyone involved is going along with that simply because Disclosure of any kind at all, they believe, is better than none. So everyone is complicit in this. Everyone. Even George Knapp. He knows all this.

That's the origin story for ALL of this. The Pentagon was driving it all from the beginning. Bookmark this post, and in a few months' time, maybe read it again and see. :)

This is an older video from Dark Journalist with Dr. Joseph Farrell and others. It is worth a listen! They talk about this and much more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zJNa7yjAU4

My guess is that the disclosure will be full of myths in order to cover their tracks, and they have to keep the money flowing for their dark projects. It could end up being a great big mess for ufologists.:(

[aoibhghaire]

I agree with you Onawah from your Post 119

Global requirements for a successful communications with ET/NHI has to be based on who, how and where this is going to be executed.
The agendas of both Mankind and ET/NHI needs to be understood for a clear reciprocal cohesive communications to take place. It may require global communication centers on four time zones with live streaming with trained communications operatives with pre planned protocols. The distribution of information both ways will only develop through relationships that may lead to the entrance to the cosmic community.

A proposed citizens ET/NHI communication project is pioneering in its efforts that encompass all nations for the benefit of Mankind. It would require governments, corporations and agencies that have not been part of this equation, that have not been aligned to Mankind’s larger reality, to be educated in these matters. A citizens initiative has in its potential for development our future relations with ETI/NHI. Interestingly enough the timing of the launch of ICER this week may be the ideal organisation to take up this gauntlet in the next phase going beyond the intentional confusion instigated by the current consensus reality.

A citizens initiative has the unique opportunity of presenting and executing this project for Mankind. This project would disrupt the consensus reality that is currently in confusion about the reality of the UAP. It’s a situation that won’t go away and what are we going to do about it?.

This would be a ground breaking initiative that can be spearheaded by global citizens. It has not being the remit for governments, corporations and agencies to recognize the ET/NHI presence up till now, with a perception of ignorance of not imagining such a realization is here now. This has had an historical knock on affect preventing the awareness and development of relationships with ET/NHI. However, the ET/NHI reality addresses the dreams of Mankind that we are not alone. It provides the opportunity for our best efforts be put forward that recognizes and respects the present circumstances, that is we have a ‘Recognition Event’ in history. This is our Black Swan that has arrived into every bodies reality.

[boja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqtSWD6PYW8

Interesting stuff yesterday (23 May 2021).

A few Bullet Points :- How "discs" merge into "cylinders" into "triangles".

"Consciousness" involved in piloting craft.

Craft powered by "Warp Drive"

UAP involved at FUKUSHIMA & CHERNOBYL

Crash Retrieval from Italy to USA pre-Roswell (Mussolini involved)

1994 ZIMBABWE connection to nearby URANIUM mine.

(ALL HYPOTHETICAL OF COURSE)

Oh, and the upcoming report in June likely to be a "Nothing-Burger".

[holcaul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqtSWD6PYW8

Interesting stuff yesterday (23 May 2021).

A few Bullet Points :- How "discs" merge into "cylinders" into "triangles".

"Consciousness" involved in piloting craft.

Craft powered by "Warp Drive"

UAP involved at FUKUSHIMA & CHERNOBYL

Crash Retrieval from Italy to USA pre-Roswell (Mussolini involved)

1994 ZIMBABWE connection to nearby URANIUM mine.

(ALL HYPOTHETICAL OF COURSE)

Oh, and the upcoming report in June likely to be a "Nothing-Burger".

What a steaming pile of deep state propaganda. Dear UFOlogists, stop buying into this. I know you really want this to be real but please use your critical thinking. Why aren't you asking any hard questions. What is with all the softballing? At least stop calling it UAP. This rebranding of the UFO term is part of the deep state's power-grabbing campaign.

[aoibhghaire]

Incoming: Congressional hearings on UFOs

FROM THE WASHINGTON POST

“Stephen Bassett, a lobbyist and longtime expert on UFOs and possible government
and military involvement in the phenomena, predicts that congressional hearings
on the events will soon take place.”

By Jennifer Harper - The Washington Times - Sunday, May 23, 2021

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/23/inside-the-beltway-incoming-congressional-hearings/

[aoibhghaire]

Today was the launch of ICER, the International Coalition for Extraterrestrial Research.

ICER hit the global wire today to 100,000 agencies. Tomorrow, Wednesday 26th May will be the International press conference.
Thursday, 27th May will be the Continental press conferences for North America, South America, Europe, Far East and Australasia.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/new-global-organization-launches-international-coalition-for-extraterrestrial-research-icer--833461546.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuFYKJ_Klc8

https://www.facebook.com/icer.network/

https://icer.network

aoibhghaire

[Kryztian]

Biden backs intelligence director's investigation into UFOs
by Katherine Doyle, White House Correspondent | May 25, 2021 02:41 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-intelligence-investigation-ufos

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is "actively working" on a report about UFOs, an effort backed by President Joe Biden, the White House said Tuesday.

"We take reports of incursions into our air base by any aircraft, identified or unidentified, very seriously," White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters when asked about reports of aerial phenomena in the United States's airspace. "Certainly the president supports ODNI putting together a report."

Asked whether the White House would commit to disclosing the report's findings in full, Psaki pointed to the intelligence department leading the investigation.

"In terms of disclosure, that would be up to them," she said.

The report legislation signed by former President Donald Trump last year calling on the country's intelligence agencies to provide a report on UFOs within 180 days.

In March, John Ratcliffe, the former director of national intelligence during the Trump administration, told Fox News that the report would detail new sightings.

The approaching deadline has stoked renewed interest in the issue.

In an interview with CBS's The Late Late Show with James Corden last week, former President Barack Obama said U.S. military pilots and satellites had captured unrecognized objects in U.S. airspace.

"What is true, and I'm actually being serious here, is that there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are," Obama said.

"We can't explain how they move, their trajectory," he continued. "They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is."

Asked to respond to the former president's remarks during a joint press conference with South Korea President Moon Jae-in last week, Biden said, "I would ask him again."

[Kryztian]

Today was the launch of ICER, the International Coalition for Extraterrestrial Research.

ICER hit the global wire today to 100,000 agencies. Tomorrow, Wednesday 26th May will be the International press conference.
Thursday, 27th May will be the Continental press conferences for North America, South America, Europe, Far East and Australasia.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/new-global-organization-launches-international-coalition-for-extraterrestrial-research-icer--833461546.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuFYKJ_Klc8

https://www.facebook.com/icer.network/

https://icer.network

aoibhghaire

Congratulation on the birth of this new organization, long in coming. Wishing you all much success!!!!!

[aoibhghaire]

Post 132. Thanks Chris,

Its an historical moment for the UAP/UFO arena to have an organization like ICER on the world stage.

I've noticed a lot of early exceptional positive responses to this announcement, in particular the general relief that it has happened. ICER has just arrived and it will be fascinating to see how it will unravel for the future events. One is hoping, if circumstances permit, that ICER may play a role to change the narrative for the future.

On another piece of news John Greenewald at The Black Vault shows the White House Press Secretary being asked a question at a White House press briefing about the UAP issue. What is highly significant is that she clearly was not surprised by it and that she had prepared notes for a response if asked. She also confirmed that the President was aware of the upcoming report.

ICER is having an international Press conference today and ICER will encourage reporters to ask further questions on this issue as it is becoming a major talking point and encourage transparency on this issue.

aoibhghaire

[Bill Ryan]

New from Richard Dolan, 11 hours ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8dePDkeOOI

[Bill Ryan]

New from Richard Dolan, 11 hours ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8dePDkeOOI

A little more. It's a clickbait title, in a way, and Richard takes the middle ground, presenting all points of view. (Some think he does this really very well, while others, self sometimes included, feel frustrated by his reluctance to express stronger or more definitive views.)

But he strongly defends the possibility that an apparent military stance that UFOs are a potential threat is understandable. "It's their job", he says.

My own view: there may be things happening, e.g. in the realm of abductions, that do seem to be a major longterm covert operation: agenda(s) unknown.

But I do also feel it's very plausible that the ETs — and there will be many different groups — are concerned about what we're doing to the planet (which may not even be "our" planet!), and, just maybe, what we're now doing with our very own genome. (And that, too, may not even be "ours" to mess with. Some ETs may hold the patent already. :) ) In that context, any ET intervention, covert or not, may be justified and maybe even urgent.

The most likely scenario is that there are many different groups with many different agendas, all converging here at once. It may not be truly hostile action...


To take our frightened pet to the vet for an operation;
For someone to forcibly evict unlawful squatters from their holiday home;
For the forest keeper to cull the deer herd to maintain an optimum natural balance.

At the same time, some of the ETs may be a threat in the same way as the Conquistadores were a threat to the Incas, albeit that the Conquistadores were far more blatant, military and overt. Planet Earth may be prime real estate, and again, not necessarily "ours". We might just be tenants.

[holcaul]

New from Richard Dolan, 11 hours ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8dePDkeOOI

A little more. It's a clickbait title, in a way, and Richard takes the middle ground, presenting all points of view. (Some think he does this really very well, while others, self sometimes included, feel frustrated by his reluctance to express stronger or more definitive views.)

But he strongly defends the possibility that an apparent military stance that UFOs are a potential threat is understandable. "It's their job", he says.

My own view: there may be things happening, e.g. in the realm of abductions, that do seem to be a major longterm covert operation: agenda(s) unknown.

But I do also feel it's very plausible that the ETs — and there will be many different groups — are concerned about what we're doing to the planet (which may not even be "our" planet!), and, just maybe, what we're now doing with our very own genome. (And that, too, may not even be "ours" to mess with. Some ETs may hold the patent already. :) ) In that context, any ET intervention, covert or not, may be justified and maybe even urgent.

The most likely scenario is that there are many different groups with many different agendas, all converging here at once. It may not be truly hostile action...


To take our frightened pet to the vet for an operation;
For someone to forcibly evict unlawful squatters from their holiday home;
For the forest keeper to cull the deer herd to maintain an optimum natural balance.

At the same time, some of the ETs may be a threat in the same way as the Conquistadores were a threat to the Incas, albeit that the Conquistadores were far more blatant, military and overt. Planet Earth may be prime real estate, and again, not necessarily "ours". We might just be tenants.




I agree with almost everything you said. The "not ours" part is the only thing I am not sure about. What would make a planet "someone's" and not somebody else's? Did they have to be here first? Or did you have to be the actual creator of this planetary body? OR maybe we had to live here for a certain amount of time without perishing as a civilization to claim it "ours"?

Regardless of a liklihood of any of the scenarios you mentioned, Elizondo AND Mellon are not to be trusted! They just strike me as incredibly disingenuous.

[Did You See Them]

I Concur !

[mojo]

Trump provided an interesting response about UFOs to Dan Bongino, it should be listened to for subtleties. But in essence he does not think much about it. As much as I personally wish the people in the know would tell the World, they will not. The truth lies in deep black budget projects. Not even the POTUS knows what they are doing and people have to be read into the projects witch are highly compartmentalized Richard Dolan nailed it when he wrote his book about the secret breakaway society. They don't see themselves as just humans anymore. Our former President Kennedy tried to warn us when he spoke about the military industrial complex. There is hope though... People are having ongoing contact they already know. The ET's may see an opening to allow their contactees to present more info/data to prove it. Right now I believe the ETs are not giving the million dollar proof because they know there are nepharious people that would try anything to hurt or stop it.

[chitters2004]

Transcript & Commentary: Richard Dolan/Luis Elizondo Interview – Crash Retrievals, Men In Black And Serendipity (https://www.ufojoe.net/lue-dolan-transcript/)

[aoibhghaire]

Excellent news report by George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell about objects seen around USS Omaha. Includes radar footage showing UFOs.

Corbell gives a good explanation of what is being shown so the public can understand what they’re seeing.

Corbell states “at one time 9 warships had a stationery UFO hovering above each of them while 100 objects swarmed around the ships.”

More footage will be released soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4xWZ9IkXo

[thepainterdoug]

Jeremy makes a good presentation, but somewher along the way over the past year I got uneasy about him. Hes too much into branding his product or something. But Im willing to follow along and see where all this goes .
I know so called UFO,s exist as I have captured on camera and seen many . But some agenda is going on as well

[Kryztian]

Tonight's bedtime story, as told by Chris Mellon: Once upon a time, Generals and Admirals, charged with overseeing their planets largest military project, learned of a technology that defied and confounded their trillion dollar defense program. A technology that, if understood, could bring them untold wealth and power. But the Generals and Admirals, many of whom had braved wars and death, were terrified of the giggle factor, and so they said and did nothing. And they all lived happily after in a state of ignorant bliss, and you can too, if you believe Mr. Mellon's story.

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[Did You See Them]

Good clip above.
One thing I noticed was at 3.15 into it, he starts making the analogy to Pear Harbour and 911 and ends saying that the information chain of command was broken in the those cases during the lead up to them and that "We should know "Who's in our House".
Most people would stop the sentence there, but he then (in my mind) goes overly descriptive and precise by adding "in our Bedroom walking around".
It seems like an almost subconscious descriptive slip as to the reality of the abduction side of the coin that he has mulling around in the back of his head.

[aoibhghaire]

If you've not seen this yet, the DoD have apparently confirmed to the Black Vault that they deleted E-Mails which would have confirmed Luis Elizondo's involvement with AATIP.

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/pentagon-destroyed-e-mails-of-former-intelligence-official-tied-to-ufo-investigation-claims/

aoibhghaire

[aoibhghaire]

I might add the same US department of defense which has spent the past 74 years doing allot more to hide the truth than delete emails. And for some reason known only to them, they are now about to tell us the truth? If this particular item about Elizondo is true, be prepared for the stonewalling and obfuscation to continue. The "d" in disclosure continues to shrink smaller.

aoibhghaire

[thepainterdoug]

SOMEONE i know for the alphabet soup told me thay are all frauds and scammers. To what degree I can believe that is questionable as well.
If you hear Dr Greers speech recently posted, it adds up to whay Elizondo sounds like he wants to distance himself from the Pentagon .
I think we the people and all the compelling stories from the experiencers is what I best go by.
And my own eyes and intuitions.

[aoibhghaire]

This is arguably one of most important articles written in the last four years about the circumstances that have created the current transparency on the UFO/UAP issue. With what seems to be a path toward 'Disclosure'

How Harry Reid, a Terrorist Interrogator and the Singer From Blink-182 Took UFOs Mainstream
The hidden history of how Washington embraced a fringe field of science.


https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/28/ufos-secret-history-government-washington-dc-487900?fbclid=IwAR0sITJXEqM5Fve7gDV3ty9YiKRoYXu0kmjBaGFIFPKslaqsfzQ7Ev0xBgs

[Rawhide68]

TtY5iISsMAY

Info about the Mellon Family ...

[Bill Ryan]

TtY5iISsMAY

Info about the Mellon Family ...:bump:

A really fascinating interview. Highly recommended.

[onawah]

Here are the notes from DJ re that interview:
Dark Journalist: Truth UFO Disclosure & Mellon Family Secrets! Exclusive Interview John W. Warner IV
14,112 views•May 28, 2021
DarkJournalist
116K subscribers

"Plus Rare Never Before Seen Photos!

THE BREAKTHROUGH WE”VE BEEN WAITING FOR!
John W Warner IV joins Dark Journalist, Daniel Liszt to do a deep dive on his Deep State roots being the son of Legendary Virginia Senator John W. Warner III (R-VA), former Secretary of the Navy and Chairman of the Armed Services Committee (KBE), who sadly passed way on May 25th, ​and Mellon Banking heiress Catherine Mellon, daughter of philanthropist Paul Mellon (U.S. Army, OSS, CIA, KBE). to do a deep dive on his Deep State roots

WARNING OF A FALSE CIA UFO INVASION PSYOP
Warner tells us that his cousin, Former Defense Intelligence Official Chris Mellon, was carefully chosen to help promote a false UFO Threat and that his bizarre pairing with Counterintelligence Agent Lue Elizondo shows that the Deep State is desperate to pull off a massive covert operation. The major effort to keep the Wall of Secrecy on advanced technology in place in order to hide the UFO reality from the public is being orchestrated by CIA and DIA officials trying to make it appear that Mellon and Elizondo are whistleblowers after decades of working in intelligence circles.

REVELATIONS FROM A SENATOR’S SON
Warner also reveals that his father encouraged him before he died to pursue the truth at all costs and was deeply concerned about keeping America free in the face of massive secrecy by black ops that are buried inside in the government. The Senator revealed to his son that his activities in Operation Deep Freeze in ANTARCTICA were actually related to COVERT SPACE OPERATIONS!

MEDIA PROMOTING FEAR OF UFOS
Warner exposes how the media has fully supported this false UFO Threat operation along with shady politicians like Senator Marco Rubio and Harry Reid. He sees that the media under orders to keep the fear atmosphere after the crisis of 2020 with the a looming UAP Task Force report coming up in June. Warner believes we must dismantle the false UFO Threat operation and find the real UFO truth for America and the World

THE MELLON BANKING FAMILY SECRETS
He goes into stunning detail about his mysterious grandfather Paul Mellon who engaged in Secret Intelligence work and kept the company of corrupt CIA director Allen Dulles. Paul’s wife Mary Mellon was a spiritual idealist who brought Carl Jung to the attention of the world and who met G.I Gurdjieff and studied Mystery Schools like Rudolf Steiner’s Anthroposophy. Her early death from Asthma in the 1940s led Paul Mellon to turn further to the dark side with help from CIA Occultist Dulles.

Nazi Rocket Scientist Wernher von Braun
He also reveals the secret relationship of Nazi Rocket Scientist Wernher von Braun to his family and his cousin Chris Mellon. Warner also reveals never before heard details of his powerful family and their place in the elite world of banking and the aristocracy along with rare anecdotes of Hollywood legend actress Elizabeth Taylor who was married to his father for 6 years and his Mother's early interest in UFOs."

[aoibhghaire]

ICER was launched 5 days ago posted here on the 25th May.

ICER is one non-profit organization is made up of scientists, academics and researchers
UFOs / UAP, from 27 countries on 5 continents, who are unanimous in recognizing that
we are not alone in the cosmos.

In this program are gathered a representative selection of national representatives from around the world in a 2hrs live sessions with Q&A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfIlE5_HC8E

aoibhghaire

[onawah]

Note to Richard Dolan...starting at about 25 minutes into Dark Journalist's latest, his interview with John Warner, they talk about why it's really not a good idea to play with Elizondo and the UAP crowd (and a whole lot more).
He quotes Winston Churchill who said you can't negotiate with a tiger when your head is in its mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtY5iISsMAY&t=554s


Tonight's bedtime story, as told by Chris Mellon: Once upon a time, Generals and Admirals, charged with overseeing their planets largest military project, learned of a technology that defied and confounded their trillion dollar defense program. A technology that, if understood, could bring them untold wealth and power. But the Generals and Admirals, many of whom had braved wars and death, were terrified of the giggle factor, and so they said and did nothing. And they all lived happily after in a state of ignorant bliss, and you can too, if you believe Mr. Mellon's story.

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[boja]

https://avalonlibrary.net/7NEWS_Spotlight_The_Phenomenon.mp4

Librarian Edit - June 20th 2021: replaced the previous Youtube deletion with the feature, now in the library - Tintin

7NEWS Spotlight The Phenomenon Government UFO sightings exposed

New Documentary by ROSS COULTHARD aired today (30 May 2021).

7NEWS Spotlight travels across the USA and Australia to uncover incredible new evidence of UFOs that will stun the public and reveals the secret Pentagon report that will change everything.

Covers WESTALL SCHOOL INCIDENT 1966, EXMOUTH W. AUS. INCIDENT,
AZTEC NM INCIDENT 1948.

Includes DAVID MARLER, LESLIE KEANE, SCOTT & SUZANNE RAMSEY,
plus ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS SINCE 2017.

[onawah]

Greer: Update on False UFO Disclosure
5/30/21
Review from Alexandra Bruce at:
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/greer-update-on-false-ufo-disclosure/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en0GsxgwMmA
"I missed this Steven Greer video when it was posted a couple of weeks ago but it’s a great follow-up to the Dark Journalist interview with John W Warner IV that I posted yesterday, in relation to the imminent release of a report by the Director National Intelligence about UFOs.

The main purpose of Greer’s update here was to explain why renowned attorney, Daniel Sheehan, who has long been associated with Greer’s Disclosure Project and is well-known for his work on Iran-Contra and on the Silkwood case is now representing Luis Elizondo, who Greer describes as a “professional disinformation agent putting out false intelligence about the UFO matter through the mainstream media.”

Greer explains that Sheehan was hired by Elizondo because the Pentagon was about to pull his security clearances. He says, “It wasn’t because he was doing things with TTSA…They [the Pentagon] wanted him to do that. It was because he had resigned from TTSA, falling-out with the people that were the hardliners wanting him to present that there was an ‘alien threat’ or a threat to the National Security.”

In other words, Elizondo is being threatened with loss of his security clearances, not because he was disclosing classified material but because he ‘went off the rez’ and no longer wanted to lie about the ‘alien threat’.

Greer continues, “And he has told two people on my team, including attorney, Daniel Sheehan that he knows and the other people, like Chris Mellon know that there is no such thing as an ‘alien threat’, that there is not a threat to the National Security but that’s the only way they can get this in front of the American People to get more overt funding for the Space Force and eventually, a conflict with these extraterrestrial civilizations. He has flat-out said he knows that everything he’s been saying about this being a ‘threat’ is untrue.

“Now, Daniel Sheehan has also shared – and this is even more explosive – that Luis Elizondo has informed him that he, in fact has been in a facility where an actual extraterrestrial vehicle was stored. Now, why is that important? Because he’s all over the news, 60 Minutes, every Mainstream News channel, along with his other cohorts in the cover-up, such as Leslie Kean, Nick Pope, Chris Mellon and others saying that ‘we don’t know what these are’.

“Now, interestingly, he absolutely knows that some of these craft are, in fact of extraterrestrial origin. He must also then know that some of them are ours. For example, the recent Jeremy Corbell interview on Fox News, where they were showing these triangles swarming our Navy ships. Every one of those pyramid-triangular-shaped objects with the flashing light on them are from either Northrup-Grumman or Boeing or Lockheed – most likely, Northrup-Grumman. Those are man-made UFOs. They’re anti-gravity vehicles. Everyone in the aerospace industry, at any level of clearance knows this.

“So this is a big problem. So I told Mr Sheehan, I said, ‘Look, you have to be very careful if you’re going to work with this gentleman. You have to understand that he is a master of disinformation. I am quoting from a senior CIA official who wrote me about this when they first emerged, after Unacknowledged came out in 2017. And of course, Daniel Sheehan knows this. He told me point blank, ‘Yes, we know this.'”

Greer says Sheehan is representing Elizondo in the hope of getting him to come clean and possibly after him, to get some of the others to admit they know that there is no threat from UFOs and that they have been coerced into making these claims…

“The head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich wrote, in answer to a friend who asked him, ‘Are these extraterrestrial or man-made?’ He said, point blank, in writing, signed by him on the Lockheed Skunk Works stationary letterhead that they are both. They’re both man-made and extraterrestrial.

“Now, this is of course one of the most preeminent aerospace figures of the 20th Century and this is not a contested item. It’s in his penmanship and signed by him, back to a friend, that we’ve acquired. We have enormous amounts of information like that.

“So, these people that you see on 60 Minutes that you see on Fox News and CNN and all the media, this is the ramping-up of the false disclosure that we warned about in 1999, when we wrote the paper, ‘When the Disclosure Serves Secrecy.’

“Why? Because they want people to now know that there are UFOs but they want to put this big lie out there that they are a ‘National Security threat’ and concern. This is what Nick Pope and others keep saying. By the way, Nick Pope has admitted to two people on my team that he has been paid large sums of money to say these very scripted things in the Mainstream Media so that he has been able to buy some really pricey real estate in Soho in London and elsewhere.

“One of my concerns about this is that, while I normally do not engage in sort-of gossip, is that now that these people are mis-educating deliberately the American People and the world on this. It is a very big concern. They have stepped into another level of deception. It’s one thing if you’re at a UFO conference in front of a thousand people. It’s another thing if there are millions and millions of people hearing this lie.

“Now, all these people, from Chris Mellon to Luis Elizondo to Leslie Kean to Nick Pope and others know for a fact just what I just said; that there are two types of UFOs seen: man-made ones – that is the bigger secret, by the way. The ET issue is not as big a secret as the man-made ones, for a reason I’ll get into in a moment. And that this is not a ‘National Security’ threat.

“All the images that you have seen in the Mainstream News of the Tic Tac, of these pyramids and triangles – those are ours and they were filmed and known, at some point they would release it to open the door to this subject. But there’s more coming…

“Unfortunately, we’re at a point now where there is a massive information campaign that is false and the reason they want people to think all of these are things, that we don’t know and can’t figure out how they fly is so that eventually, they can put out more scary information, perhaps next month with the Director of National Intelligence Report, showing even more gruesome events that have happened, that show in fact, that these are a threat to the National Security. Why? Of course, that with the Fascist military-industrial and industrialist complex want people to be afraid of something.

“So this is the next big thing. It’s much bigger than 9/11. It’s much bigger than COVID. We’ve been warning about it for some time. Unfortunately, we’re trying to see if some people can get pulled off the precipice, including Luis Elizondo. That is why Daniel Sheehan is working with him. Now, I’ve made it very clear that Daniel Sheehan has told me he would do this that if he cannot get Luis Elizondo to speak the truth and come clean on this that he would drop him as a client…

“My understanding is, you know, people are complex. I think both Chris Mellon and Luis Elizondo regret what they’ve done. We also know that there are other people who are beginning to come forward with information, which sounds unbelievable, such as Jacques Vallée, disclosing that in the 1980s, he saw a document describing CIA-run alien hoaxed abductions in Brazil and Argentina. We are going to be releasing this soon…

“There are a number of things that need to come out and I’m making an appeal right now anyone who has has information or has been on a tactical team engaging in these false flag operations from the 1950s until now need to come forward and expose this as a hoax. The reason for that is that if we don’t expose the trickery and the hoax, the thing that the American public and the world are going to be left with is this terrifying perspective of there being a threat from Outer Space, which will justify not only the expansion of weapons into space but also the Space Force and this ‘alien threat’ narrative that they’ve been working on for 70 years.

“Remember, Wesley Clark, Four-Star General Wesley Clark, as well as Wehrner von Braun and Carol Rosin have stated that they have seen documents that were very Top Secret that were listing all the nations that we would get into wars with and that the big crescendo, the final card to be played, as Wehrner von Braun stated would be the ‘alien threat’ card. We are there now in 2021, May of this year.

“By next month, who knows where this will have gone? We need to move forward very aggressively to get the truth out, so we are working so that. In the next month, ‘The Cosmic Hoax’, this next documentary that all of you have helped fund – and I’m thanking you very much for that – we are already now in post-production on that and I’ve seen a rough cut, the first 45 minutes. It’s amazing. It’s going to blow people’s minds. It’s going to be case-closed.

“That film is not going to be proprietary. Every single one of you need to find influencers, celebrities, networks of people to take that film and post it on every site on the planet the instant, I mean the day it’s released…

“The reason they keep saying we don’t have anything that can move like that Tic Tac or move like those pyramid or triangular object over the Destroyer; the reason they’re saying that, even though it’s it’s an absolute provable lie is because it preserves the element of surprise. It preserves the element of surprise of a false flag operation, where those same technologies that are man-made and controlled by covert programs can be used in some kind of scary scenario..and make it look like it’s the aliens did it, blaming on the aliens…

“I think if we can expose this central lie, we can prevent this disaster and but that’s not going to be done by CNN and CBS News and 60 Minutes. It’s going to be done by us and you guys, all of us together have to join hands and expose what the truth is…

“Everyone has a list of a few hundred people they may have been on their social media pages uh some may have thousands some may have millions uh it doesn’t matter because if millions of people share it with a few hundred people we’ve reached hundreds of millions of people so everyone needs to see that this is kind of how you can join in this effort.”

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7b-SIUTaiQ&t=4s

7NEWS Spotlight The Phenomenon Government UFO sightings exposed

New Documentary by ROSS COULTHARD aired today (30 May 2021).

7NEWS Spotlight travels across the USA and Australia to uncover incredible new evidence of UFOs that will stun the public and reveals the secret Pentagon report that will change everything.

Covers WESTALL SCHOOL INCIDENT 1966, EXMOUTH W. AUS. INCIDENT,
AZTEC NM INCIDENT 1948.

Includes DAVID MARLER, LESLIE KEANE, SCOTT & SUZANNE RAMSEY,
plus ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS SINCE 2017.This is an excellent 70 minute documentary, aired in Australia just 4 days ago. It starts off with what we've all come to expect from Chris Mellon, Luis Elizondo, and the much-overplayed Nimitz encounter, but then very seriously reports a number of much older incidents that are well-known to UFO researchers but are largely unknown to the public. Refreshingly, the documentary predominantly refers to the craft as UFOs. (Thank goodness! :) )

The video has already been removed from YouTube, but I was able to catch it in time and download it. Here it is:

https://projectavalon.net/7NEWS_Spotlight_The_Phenomenon.mp4

https://projectavalon.net/7NEWS_Spotlight_The_Phenomenon.mp4

[Bill Ryan]

Why NOW?Quite a few researchers and commentators have asked this question (about the timing of the US Congressional report promised next month), but for me it's always seemed fairly obvious.

The very best time to spill controversial or potentially unsettling news is when almost the whole world is preoccupied with something else, and may not even pay much attention.

Right now, with lockdowns, vaccinations, fear of covid, and many business and families facing all kinds of financial and other practical problems, any formal report about the likely existence of non-humans visiting Planet Earth may be largely ignored.

If it is largely ignored, the Pentagon won't mind one bit. At least they will have got some tiny fragment of the truth out (maybe). Then, in years to come, they can say — "Well, we did tell you."

[aoibhghaire]

Scotslad Post 159 provides questions and outcomes as a measure of where this may go in the future. Bill’s points on Post 160 as another possible route of where this may go. When taking all these points from a vast array of researchers including PA perspectives one can review these past events, recent historical actions that have taken place and there outcomes within this framework. What does this all mean within the context for the UAP reality?

The UAPTF report is due by the end of June 2021.

My sense is that it will disclose (limited scope) some of the government’s data, research, and findings on UAP, perhaps describing them as unmanned drones. But it remains my view that ‘the company’or TPTB will likely continue to cover-up the existence of extra-terrestrial life visiting earth. But either way, the official disclosure of the reality of UAP, will likely degrade the public’s perception of trust and efficacy in existing governments.

A collapse of confidence and more generally [fear], could add to broad-based social unrest that much of the world experienced starting in 2019, the ‘Year of Protest.’ Civil discord followed in the 2020, the ‘Year of Plague’ where lawlessness, looting, arson, and a spike in violent crime, have juddered the streets of major American cities for the last 12 months running.

One might expect that official acknowledgement of UAP/ETL in the coming weeks will contribute to 2021, the ‘Year of Pandemonium’ theme. One which kicked off the new year as if on que, with an insurrection at the US Capital building on January 6th.
I anticipate that the authorities will attempt to psychological groom a malleable public with a slow drip, drip, drip of information flows. But even as the deep state manages down selective data to a trickle, rather than a tsunami of hard facts, one should still expect the impact of this paradigm shift to be seminal.

Government disclosure of UFO’s will have profound implications for asset prices. The ‘Street’ (Wall St.) is ill-prepared! Interestingly enough, talking to specialists in the field during 2020 in particular, was impossible to cross the line for any discussion with industry strategists and macro analysts willing to even discuss this impending event. Even as it will surely impact Fx, bond markets, commodities, real-estate, defence industry, the energy sectors, transportation, industrial's, manufacturing, food production, healthcare, barterable valuables, physical assets, and precious metals. You can understand that the mental framework of extraordinary conservatism has resulted in extraordinary ignorance.

This recognized event in our history may usher in a ‘Fifth Industrial Revolution’ based on off-world technologies and physical substances. The multiverse, exotic matter, quantum superluminal communications (QSC), nano-bio machines / programmable life forms (PLFs), alien materials, the entangled universe, trans dimensional physics (TDP), electromagnetic gravity (EMG), dark energy, WSFM, PFM, folding space, hypersonic velocity, scaler weaponry, UAP propulsion systems and Majestic 12 (MJ-12), may enter both the modern scientific lexicon as well as the mainstream of STEM studies at research facilities throughout the developed world. Already the Argentine Minister of Defense has initiated a proposing a future course on UAP physics in one or more institutions. MIT have broached that UAP physics could provide new forms of transportation.

Such a Black Swan will usher in a philosophical restructuring of the humanities, perhaps even the deconstruction of organised religion, and an unquantifiable dislocation for financial markets. However, the implications of the Black Swan for the academic and society will require a rewiring of consciousness to take on new ways of not just thinking, but actionable results for the future if we are at least making some effort in aligning to the nature of this planet and beyond.

aoibhghaire

[onawah]

Do you think the timing has to do with the possibility of a new false flag event coming, involving our own top secret back-engineered UAPs masquerading as real ET craft, that might be in the works?
That's what von Braun, Greer and others have clearly warned us about.
The general public is already very vulnerable and suggestible, so they probably wouldn't be hard to convince that there is another threat looming, bigger than COVID, which would necessitate more lockdowns or other emergency measures, giving TPTB even more control.
Or do you think the timing is not right yet (in their eyes) for that?
Or that perhaps the public has become too clued-in for that to work?



Why NOW?Quite a few researchers and commentators have asked this question (about the timing of the US Congressional report promised next month), but for me it's always seemed fairly obvious.

The very best time to spill controversial or potentially unsettling news is when almost the whole world is preoccupied with something else, and may not even pay much attention.

Right now, with lockdowns, vaccinations, fear of covid, and many business and families facing all kinds of financial and other practical problems, any formal report about the likely existence of non-humans visiting Planet Earth may be largely ignored.

If it is largely ignored, the Pentagon won't mind one bit. At least they will have got some tiny fragment of the truth out (maybe). Then, in years to come, they can say — "Well, we did tell you."

[onawah]

I will add that, however ill-intentioned branding Unidentified Flying Objects with the new term "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" may be, I think in some cases at least, UAP is more accurate.
(Although that still doesn't include such objects appearing underwater.)
In one of my Contact experiences, what I saw was a very bright light that suddenly appeared directly above me, in a clear night sky, with no physical craft in evidence at all, and there was no sound at all.
It blinked 3 times in the same sequence as the flashlight with which I had been signaling the sky, and then was no more.
I don't think there was an object there at all, but it was a phenomena, though I can only surmise that something or someone was apparently capable of making that light appear there.
(And that was apparently at my request, since it occurred on one of the nights designated for the international CE5 group to go out and try to make Contact, and I had been meditating and making a request for Contact on that night for about a month up to that time.)
There was another person present who witnessed the 3rd flash of light (he was busy trying to build a fire, and so missed the first 2.)
But his description matched the same thing I saw, and I think many other Contactees have had similar sightings.

I wish that there wasn't such scary background music added to videos about Contact experiences, and weird sound effects. Adding fear to the equation isn't helpful.
The experience described above wasn't scary at all, but very uplifting and inspiring.
Though another Contact sighting I had, on a subsequent CE5 night, was a very low-flying cigar-shaped metallic craft that glowed with a cobalt blue light, and I didn't get a positive feeling from that one, more of a military kind of vibe.
I wouldn't say it was scary, but it definitely made me think again about going out alone on that kind of errand, as I had done on that second night.

[Bill Ryan]

I will add that, however ill-intentioned branding Unidentified Flying Objects with the new term "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" may be, I think in some cases at least, UAP is more accurate.It's tricky linguistic sleight-of-hand, a purposeful rebranding that at the same time makes it harder to talk about.

One can't say, "Look, Look! There's a UAP!" :)

[Sunny-side-up]

I will add that, however ill-intentioned branding Unidentified Flying Objects with the new term "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" may be, I think in some cases at least, UAP is more accurate.It's tricky linguistic sleight-of-hand, a purposeful rebranding that at the same time makes it harder to talk about.

One can't say, "Look, Look! There's a UAP!" :)

"Look. look in the sky, is it a bird swarm, is it Super Man no it's a UAP"
A what now?
I still prefer 'OAP' observed areal phenomenon, or Old age pensioners, after all they been around scince the start of histories.

[aoibhghaire]

In my previous post 161, 6th paragraph on '5th Industrial Revolution' can be considered astounding in its implications as will be explained here:

I believe that among the most transformative, long-term aspects embedded in the list of "5th Industrial Revolution" technologies is the 'post materialistic' implication of recognizing that the most powerful elements in these technologies apparently depend on working with the "transdimensional." This means technologies that utilize a non-physical (but ontologically actual) realm through which UAP intelligences seem capable of reconfiguring (via quantum means) spacetime itself and, with it, otherwise stable physical patterns, parameters, electronic bonds, and structures.

Moreover, these more advanced technologies of the expected "5th Industrial Revolution" imply a level of connectedness in a deeper level of nature that will really challenge the current expressions of our human natures: our bio psychological and bio sociological tendencies, including tendencies to simplistic binary modes of thinking, a pre-verbal sense of individual status-seeking favoritism, and an affinity towards short term solutions.

These tendencies are likely associated with our species adaptation to a classical physical world that is experienced under stable degrees of inertia, entropy, spatial and temporal separation. This probably means that, in order to successfully adapt to a UAP compatible reality, our human nature will have to activate untapped inner potentials, perhaps through the serious, worldwide establishment of a developmentally supportive social system and educational process. Otherwise, we may require some form of genetic modification by external means. Other possibilities could mean self-destruction or the avoidance of self-destruction by means of what Richard Dolan (pessimistically) sees as the coming of a world dictatorship.

The serious challenges for all concerned world citizens have to responsibly consider is astounding.

aoibhghaire

[Operator]

I will add that, however ill-intentioned branding Unidentified Flying Objects with the new term "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" may be, I think in some cases at least, UAP is more accurate.It's tricky linguistic sleight-of-hand, a purposeful rebranding that at the same time makes it harder to talk about.

One can't say, "Look, Look! There's a UAP!" :)

Yep, they probably want it to sound as new as possible ... don't mind people are talking about UFO's for at least 70 .. 80 years.

About the timing of all this, could it be they need a new more terrifying event than COVID to make people forget the COVID saga
in order not to be held accountable because the world is just about to find out some of the COVID related scandals?

[sunwings]

George Knapp a few days ago on mainstream media talking about UAP.

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[Agape]

Scotslad Post 159 provides questions and outcomes as a measure of where this may go in the future. Bill’s points on Post 160 as another possible route of where this may go. When taking all these points from a vast array of researchers including PA perspectives one can review these past events, recent historical actions that have taken place and there outcomes within this framework. What does this all mean within the context for the UAP reality?

The UAPTF report is due by the end of June 2021.

My sense is that it will disclose (limited scope) some of the government’s data, research, and findings on UAP, perhaps describing them as unmanned drones. But it remains my view that ‘the company’or TPTB will likely continue to cover-up the existence of extra-terrestrial life visiting earth. But either way, the official disclosure of the reality of UAP, will likely degrade the public’s perception of trust and efficacy in existing governments.

A collapse of confidence and more generally [fear], could add to broad-based social unrest that much of the world experienced starting in 2019, the ‘Year of Protest.’ Civil discord followed in the 2020, the ‘Year of Plague’ where lawlessness, looting, arson, and a spike in violent crime, have juddered the streets of major American cities for the last 12 months running.

One might expect that official acknowledgement of UAP/ETL in the coming weeks will contribute to 2021, the ‘Year of Pandemonium’ theme. One which kicked off the new year as if on que, with an insurrection at the US Capital building on January 6th.
I anticipate that the authorities will attempt to psychological groom a malleable public with a slow drip, drip, drip of information flows. But even as the deep state manages down selective data to a trickle, rather than a tsunami of hard facts, one should still expect the impact of this paradigm shift to be seminal.

Government disclosure of UFO’s will have profound implications for asset prices. The ‘Street’ (Wall St.) is ill-prepared! Interestingly enough, talking to specialists in the field during 2020 in particular, was impossible to cross the line for any discussion with industry strategists and macro analysts willing to even discuss this impending event. Even as it will surely impact Fx, bond markets, commodities, real-estate, defence industry, the energy sectors, transportation, industrial's, manufacturing, food production, healthcare, barterable valuables, physical assets, and precious metals. You can understand that the mental framework of extraordinary conservatism has resulted in extraordinary ignorance.

This recognized event in our history may usher in a ‘Fifth Industrial Revolution’ based on off-world technologies and physical substances. The multiverse, exotic matter, quantum superluminal communications (QSC), nano-bio machines / programmable life forms (PLFs), alien materials, the entangled universe, trans dimensional physics (TDP), electromagnetic gravity (EMG), dark energy, WSFM, PFM, folding space, hypersonic velocity, scaler weaponry, UAP propulsion systems and Majestic 12 (MJ-12), may enter both the modern scientific lexicon as well as the mainstream of STEM studies at research facilities throughout the developed world. Already the Argentine Minister of Defense has initiated a proposing a future course on UAP physics in one or more institutions. MIT have broached that UAP physics could provide new forms of transportation.

Such a Black Swan will usher in a philosophical restructuring of the humanities, perhaps even the deconstruction of organised religion, and an unquantifiable dislocation for financial markets. However, the implications of the Black Swan for the academic and society will require a rewiring of consciousness to take on new ways of not just thinking, but actionable results for the future if we are at least making some effort in aligning to the nature of this planet and beyond.

aoibhghaire


Thank you for the profound explanation and forecast Aoibhghaire 🙏

Now that the situation makes complete sense to me, let’s consider what other options do ETs have in their back pocket.

I suggest there is always plan B.



🦢

[Sunny-side-up]

I will add that, however ill-intentioned branding Unidentified Flying Objects with the new term "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" may be, I think in some cases at least, UAP is more accurate.It's tricky linguistic sleight-of-hand, a purposeful rebranding that at the same time makes it harder to talk about.

One can't say, "Look, Look! There's a UAP!" :)

Yep, they probably want it to sound as new as possible ... don't mind people are talking about UFO's for at least 70 .. 80 years.

About the timing of all this, could it be they need a new more terrifying event than COVID to make people forget the COVID saga
in order not to be held accountable because the world is just about to find out some of the COVID related scandals?

Yup, but we may still find the two are part of a coming one

[ExomatrixTV]

Mufon Case # 57237 takes place in August of 1991 aboard the USS Nimitz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nimitz). Erica Lukes talks with the the witness, Kevin Via as he recounts his life changing UFO experience and the devastating aftermath. This case was featured on Hangar 1:The UFO Files Media Release Agreement to show this video is on file with the Mutual UFO Network (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_UFO_Network)(MUFON).
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[ExomatrixTV]

Prejudice Towards Aliens (US Navy footage etc):

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[Bill Ryan]

Prejudice Towards Aliens (US Navy footage etc):

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ynC0SPqBpMcYes, he may be right. I have a persistent strong suspicion these craft that have been buzzing Navy ships (showing no hostile intent at all) are the product of highly classified and compartmentalized US projects. We have quite some evidence that anti-gravity was solved and understood way back in 1954, and that was a full 67 years ago. Go figure.

[Sunny-side-up]

Prejudice Towards Aliens (US Navy footage etc):

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ynC0SPqBpMcYes, he may be right. I have a persistent strong suspicion these craft that have been buzzing Navy ships (showing no hostile intent at all) are the product of highly classified and compartmentalized US projects. We have quite some evidence that anti-gravity was solved and understood way back in 1954, and that was a full 67 years ago. Go figure.

Bumping your post Bill.
We all have to be reminded that we should have that tech in every day use right now.
The math and equations, the seeds of that tech that we see now started way back around 1940.
YES!

[Yoda]

Bumping your post Bill.
We all have to be reminded that we should have that tech in every day use right now.
The math and equations, the seeds of that tech that we see now started way back around 1940.
YES!

Bob Lazar said in one of his interviews, that the energy generator, that powered the crafts that he reverse engineered, was the size of a soccer ball. It generated such power, that they could not find a limit to it's potential. They carried small "cracker size" solid fuel, to replenish, when ready.

[Blastolabs]

There have been as many as 20 unidentified flying objects clearly visible from my backyard everyday for the past week.

Never have I seen any military fighters investigating despite the craft remaining in the sky from dusk till I go to sleep.

Clearly the military is well aware of these crafts and they do no not perceive them as a threat.

I'm in Denver, Colorado and have witnessed these with multiple people including a retired nuclear physicist who all agree that they are not satellites or any other known technology.

Reason I am posting this is to support the idea that the military clearly does not perceive these things as a threat.

Their flight patterns seem more like an animal than a craft piloted by a human.
I wrote a somewhat detailed report and gave it to MUFON if you want to read a bit more in depth about their behavior.

[Did You See Them]

"Their flight patterns seem more like an animal than a craft piloted by a human."

But still there is evidence that "our" people knew in advance where to be. Days sometimes in advance

[aoibhghaire]

Did You See Them Post 181: "Their flight patterns seem more like an animal than a craft piloted by a human."

"But still there is evidence that "our" people knew in advance where to be. Days sometimes in advance"

I had carried out a lot of research on UFO patterns back in the early 1990s:

For example PA Post 29 the S. WALES UFO Incident Feb 26 2016

I was curious about Caz’s and Gari's statement in the recent presentation here on PA that the government/military new when this event would occur. This indicates that authorities have research data supporting ahead of time opportunity when this event would occur.

I had worked with another colleague back in the early 1990s on a scientific model based on patterns of UFOs around the Earth as possible exogenous probes in our space time. This was based on 13,000 sightings going back to the 1880s.

After some failures a successful model proved that some UFOs were using specific orbital tracks around the Earth. The tracks were not orbiting the same as satellites. The tracks were fixed around the Earth with the discovery of 660 intersections through the equator. The fixed tracks were synchronized with the Earth’s 24 hour rotation period.

Interestingly enough back in 1991, we made another discovery using 3D modelling of stellar systems out to distance of 60 light years from our Sun. Here we discovered the most likely routes from parts of the galaxy to our Solar neighborhood. One particular set of routes was common and suggested that possible ET craft were entering into our Solar System and entering themselves into super orbits. The manifestation of the craft could well be detected from these super orbits that may possibly be parking/holding areas. The super orbits near the Earth act as entry points to the known orbital tracks that are already a fixed system of tracks. Of course this all depends on how advanced the methodologies/applications of technologies in travelling from many different ET civilizations.

The model indicates a controlled autonomous ‘surveillance’ of the Earth by some UFOs or exogenous probes. This process is interesting in that some stealthier larger craft may be in the Stratosphere region delivering craft on one track and then retrieving craft on another track depending on their timing. The timing has to be within + or – 20mins for the model to work. Locations on Earth with a high traffic of intersections on average have an 80 % fit of showing up of these events. It would not surprise me the Pentyrch Incident, 26th Feb 2016 is one of these locations that the authorities would know about well ahead of time. It also would be a likely location for this area for further future events of this type of incident.

The exciting part was to try out the model out in the field. Computer timing graphs were produced for many locations around the Earth. This was based on the most frequent sightings where many intersections of the tracks appear.

We tried the model out in the field at locations in Europe with a 80% success rate. On one occasion a UK TV team recorded one of these events in 1997 based on the model.

Our results were presented to European Space Agency and OSETI 3 USA in 2001. We had a challenging period by others that we had to dilute our detailed model and results. Unfortunately, we had to considerably reduce the importance of these results in order to publish. The two papers were eventually published, with one in particular we had to use a lawyer against the editorial board of one of the journals. This was unprecedented in the history of a well known scientific journal.

The point I’m making here is that the authorities may have either used our research from an paper for providing the opportunity of when these events may take place. Or the authorities independently had already successfully worked when these events may take. The authorities may well be privy to a lot more information to fine tune the results.

For example, from detection from NORAD Command for deep space surveillance, all the way to NATO Command within our Earth's atmosphere.

aoibhghaire

[Bill Ryan]

The first 25 minutes of Dark Journalist's latest video again discusses the UAP Task Force. (Part two of his interview with John Warner is on Friday, and I have to confess I can't wait. :) )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M03V4HGuwcA

[onawah]

It seems very odd to see a UFO flying in an erratic line rather than a straight one.
We are told by whistleblowers (Lazar was one, I think) that some ET crafts are controlled directly by the mind of the pilot, not by a machine or AI.
I suppose that gives them better control and reaction time, although to most of us I imagine it would seem really freaky not to interface with a machine.
My first UFO sighting was just a light in the sky at first, but I noticed it because it wasn't traveling in a straight line, though it was moving directly, though erratically, toward me.
When it got close, it stopped abruptly, then suddenly shot straight up so fast that it seemed to just disappear.
I've wondered if it did that because the pilot sensed someone was watching, and didn't want to be observed.


Did You See Them Post 181: "Their flight patterns seem more like an animal than a craft piloted by a human."

Me too! What Warner said about the "Med Bed" was especially fascinating--I would really like to hear more about that.
DJ also said that Dr. Joseph Farrell will be on his show next week, and he usually has some gems of info to share.


The first 25 minutes of Dark Journalist's latest video again discusses the UAP Task Force. (Part two of his interview with John Warner is on Friday, and I have to confess I can't wait. :) )

[Mashika]

Could it perhaps not be truly erratic, and more like avoiding certain areas because of some kind of interference witheir navigation systems? Also it could be that it got trapped by some anomaly, lets say some kind of electronic disturbance that is forcing it down, and it's trying to work around it, trying to get away from the 'pull' or disturbance that is trying to bring it down or take control?



It seems very odd to see a UFO flying in an erratic line rather than a straight one.
We are told by whistleblowers (Lazar was one, I think) that some ET crafts are controlled directly by the mind of the pilot, not by a machine or AI.
I suppose that gives them better control and reaction time, although to most of us I imagine it would seem really freaky not to interface with a machine.
My first UFO sighting was just a light in the sky at first, but I noticed it because it wasn't traveling in a straight line, though it was moving directly, though erratically, toward me.
When it got close, it stopped abruptly, then suddenly shot straight up so fast that it seemed to just disappear.
I've wondered if it did that because the pilot sensed someone was watching, and didn't want to be observed.


Did You See Them Post 181: "Their flight patterns seem more like an animal than a craft piloted by a human."

Me too! What Warner said about the "Med Bed" was especially fascinating--I would really like to hear more about that.
DJ also said that Dr. Joseph Farrell will be on his show next week, and he usually has some gems of info to share.


The first 25 minutes of Dark Journalist's latest video again discusses the UAP Task Force. (Part two of his interview with John Warner is on Friday, and I have to confess I can't wait. :) )

[Did You See Them]

aoibhghaire - are you still able to access that model if you were given 2 dates and locations 100's miles apart ? Does it take in to consideration earths rotational direction and an almost stationary plot on an axis ?

[boja]

I believe the UFO prediction work that Aoibhghaire is referring to is the work of the late T. ROY DUTTON.

His Book, "UFOs IN REALITY (Programmed Aerospace Monitors of our Species)" is available on Amazon.

His Video (3 part set) "WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT ALONE - The Trilogy" is/was available from Richard D. Hall's website, richplanet.net

Roy was a lifelong professional Aerospace Engineer who spent over 40 years working on the UFO subject.

Be prepared for a lot of Maths & Science, but a very clever and fascinating investigation - WELL WORTH WHILE !

[aoibhghaire]

Did You See Them, Post 186

“aoibhghaire - are you still able to access that model if you were given 2 dates and locations 100's miles apart ? Does it take in to consideration earths rotational direction and an almost stationary plot on an axis”?

Unfortunately, I can’t access Roy’s model. Roy passed away in 2016 RIP.
Roy had a very old system 1980s PC in creating his model and had never upgraded it. An upgrading to him would have been an enormous task.

However, I do have a lot of Roy’s material and computerized timing graphs for many locations around the Earth. The last time I used Roy’s model was about 20 years ago. I had gone to some countries and to specific locations to fine tune the model based on high UFO activity. We got an 80% correlation. We also discovered how to differentiate between probes and ‘manned craft’.

If you have two locations that are close to the locations for the timing graphs, it may be possible to provide the timings and date correlations.

We discovered many features that have never been published. UFOs as you would appreciate in those days was taboo. Rejected scientific papers were the norm. This may change now in 2021.

Roy was also been monitored by Intel and this further put him off of not to be too much noticed in the public arena.


boja Post 187

A bit of history of my involvement with Roy that would have been unknown in public or published anywhere. Roy had read about a similar model that I published back in 1991. It took into consideration a wide range of astronomical features that did tie into Roy’s model. Roy had modified his model when taking into account the super orbits and inward tracks that I had researched and discovered and published in another paper. I worked with Roy in fine tuning his model. This was further worked out through experimentation to achieve the timing graphs, windows of opportunities when events may occur within +/-20 mins. There was only one ever peer reviewed published paper by myself that demonstrated the Dutton model.

Unfortunately, with much persuasion from my self to him to publish in a scientific journal never came about. I have considered of creating a new model based on a combination of Roy’s work and my own. It would be a considerable task.

aoibhghaire

[Kryztian]

Close encounters: Democrats and Republicans unified in taking UFOs seriously
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ufos-bipartisan/2021/05/31/096df812-be69-11eb-9c90-731aff7d9a0d_story.html


In early April, former CIA director R. James Woolsey told Black Vault, a website that collects paranormal case files, that he is “not as skeptical as I was a few years ago, to put it mildly,” about UFOs, and that “something is going on that is surprising to a series of intelligent aircraft, experienced pilots.”

Speaking to CBS’s “60 Minutes” last month, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said that while UFOs can still prompt a “giggle” from some lawmakers, “I don’t think we can let the stigma keep us from having an answer to a very fundamental question.”

And a day after Rubio’s comments aired, former president Barack Obama told CBS’s “The Late Late Show with James Corden” that “what is true — and I’m actually being serious here — is that there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we don’t know exactly what they are.”

UFOs — also known as unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAPs, in official parlance — are having their moment in politics, and a bipartisan one at that.

This month, President Biden’s director of national intelligence will release a report containing everything unclassified that the U.S. government knows about UAPs as part of a provision contained in former president Donald Trump’s pandemic relief package.

When the report lands, as early as this week, it will do so in a moment of rare agreement across the ideological spectrum that UAPs are worthy of further study. An increasing number of Democrats and Republicans — from former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and former Democratic Senate leader Harry M. Reid to Fox News host Tucker Carlson — have expressed an openness to UAPs, urging the nation’s leaders to investigate the phenomenon.

“After this last year, it’s kind of nice to see something that’s bipartisan,” said Robert Powell, an executive board member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, a think tank of scientists examining UAPs.

And why now, exactly? “Because!” said former Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, who served as Obama’s chief of staff. “It’s all speculative unknown, and a little sci-fi makes it intriguing.”

The government’s effort to better understand UAPs began in earnest in 2007 with Reid, then the Senate majority leader whose home state of Nevada includes Area 51 — the Air Force’s top-secret testing site that has long attracted UFO hunters. Reid privately approached Sens. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) and Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) to request $22 million in Pentagon funding for a secret operation that became known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

The program, which no longer exists, studied UAPs, including encounters between UFOs and the nation’s military. Now a new government program, known as the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force, has continued investigating UAPs.

“Let me be clear: I have never intended to prove that life beyond Earth exists,” Reid wrote in a New York Times op-ed on May 21. “But if science proves that it does, I have no problem with that.”

For years, UFOs remained a taboo topic, relegated to the fringe of society, and certainly of politics. But by 2015, while campaigning for president in New Hampshire, Clinton told the Conway Daily Sun she thought Earth might have already been visited by extraterrestrial life and pledged to “get to the bottom of it.”

The following year, Clinton’s interest in the phenomenon earned her a full story in the New York Times — “Hillary Clinton Gives U.F.O. Buffs Hope She Will Open the X-Files,” blared the headline. John Podesta, a noted UFO-phile and Clinton’s 2016 campaign chairman, told CNN’s Jake Tapper that if she won the White House, “she’ll ask for as many [UFO] records as the United States federal government has to be declassified, and I think that’s a commitment that she intends to keep and that I intend to hold her to.”

More recently, in addition to Woolsey, former CIA director John Brennan also expressed openness to UAPs, as did Carlson, who has devoted portions of his prime-time Fox News show to exploring the phenomenon.

After the “60 Minutes” segment on UFOs aired last month, Carlson said that the issue is “a very big problem” from a national security perspective, arguing that the military under Biden is focusing on the wrong priorities.

“UFOs, it turns out, are real, and whatever else they are, they’re a prima facie challenge to the United States military,” Carlson said. “They’re doing things the U.S. military does not allow, and they’re doing it with impunity.”

Trump told ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos in 2019 that he did “not particularly” believe in UFOs. But he was more coy about the topic when asked by his eldest son, during an interview for his 2020 campaign, to share some details about a 1947 incident in Roswell, N.M., that holds outsize significance among UFO believers.

“I won’t talk to you about what I know about it, but it’s very interesting,” Trump said.

UAPs — once considered the ur-conspiracy theory — have emerged as a topic deemed deserving of serious investigation at a moment when misinformation, disinformation and conspiracy theories reign supreme.

Huge swaths of the country are divided on basic facts — like who actually won the 2020 presidential election (Biden) — while the two political parties can’t even agree on a definition for what constitutes “infrastructure.” Yet when it comes to UAPs, there is emerging bipartisan and mainstream consensus that, as the “X Files” famously popularized, “The truth is out there.”

Christopher Mellon, a former intelligence official at the Defense Department and the Senate Intelligence Committee who has worked to push UAPs into mainstream discourse, said there were two major turning points recently: a December 2017 New York Times article in which the Pentagon admitted the existence of its program to study UFOs and public interviews with members of the military talking about their personal encounters with UFOs.

The “60 Minutes” segment, for instance, featured interviews with Cmdr. Dave Fravor and Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich, two former Navy F/A-18F pilots, offering their firsthand account of a 2004 incident over the Pacific Ocean southwest of San Diego, where they say they encountered and tried to engage with “this little white Tic-Tac-looking object,” as Fravor described it.

“Coming from the U.S. military — that’s the one institution in our government that everybody still supports and the one institution in our government that everybody still trusts,” Mellon said.

But, he added, the turning point came when the U.S. government formally acknowledged that the UAP videos were authentic and that the phenomenon was real.

Adam Jentleson, a former top aide to Reid in the Senate, said that as the country moves its faith away from institutions, a growing openness to the paranormal makes sense — even if it is taking the unlikely form of bipartisanship toward UAPs.

“I can’t tell if this bodes well or ill for the direction of our democracy, but there’s certainly some irony around the fact that we can define bipartisanship around what used to be conspiracy theories,” Jentleson said. “Maybe the lesson is that we are expanding our imaginations and the full range of things that are possible. The possibilities of what the future may hold may be beyond the bounds of what a worldview circumscribed by norms can envision.”

owell said the media’s depiction of UAPs has also evolved. “Most of the time in the past when the media highlighted what was then called a UFO-type incident, they really were highlighting a person who was really a little bit wacky and they were trying to get ratings.”

He pointed to Dennis J. Kucinich, the former Democratic congressman from Ohio, who was mocked during a 2008 Democratic presidential primary debate after being asked about a book by actress Shirley MacLaine, who wrote that Kucinich had seen a UFO while visiting MacLaine in Washington state and found the experience very moving.

“It was an unidentified flying object, okay?” Kucinich said when asked about the account. “It’s like, it’s unidentified. I saw something.”

But now, “this subject today is considered seriously by a lot of scientists,” Powell said.

After Obama expressed his openness to UAPs last month, Fox News’s Peter Doocy recounted the former president’s comments to Biden, and asked him what he thought. “I would ask him again,” Biden said, to laughter, brushing off the question.

In a White House briefing last week, press secretary Jen Psaki offered a more serious response to a question on the UAP report, saying, “We take reports of incursions into our airspace by any aircraft, identified or unidentified, very seriously and investigate each one.”

Administration officials are unlikely to weigh in further on UAPs until the report’s release, a White House official said. This person added that Vice President Harris, in her role as head of the administration’s National Space Council, is also likely to be briefed on the findings before they are released.

The interest in UFOs shows how the extremes of the ideological spectrum can end up closer to each other than to any political center — not unlike the two prongs of a horseshoe.

“It’s like who was the viewership of the ‘X Files’ in the 90s?” Jentleson said. “If you saw someone walking down the street wearing an ‘X Files’ shirt, it was a coin flip as to whether they were going to be a hard-right conspiracy theorist or a hard-left conspiracy theorist.”

The idea of UAPs, he added, “unites conspiracy theorists of all ideological stripes,” born out of a shared “distrust of government and authority.”

A 2019 Gallup poll found that 33 percent of adults said they think some UFOs have been alien spacecraft visiting Earth from other planets or galaxies, while 60 percent said all sightings can be explained by human activity or natural phenomenon. The belief was largely bipartisan, with 32 percent of Democrats, 30 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of independents saying some UFOs have been alien spacecraft visiting Earth.

Both the Gallup poll and a more recent CBS News poll from this year found skepticism of the U.S. government’s handling of information on the issue. The 2021 CBS poll found 73 percent saying the U.S. government “knows more about UFOs than it is telling the general public,” as did 68 percent in the 2019 Gallup poll.

Steve Bassett is a registered lobbyist, political activist and “Disclosure” advocate — someone who pushes for the formal acknowledgment by heads of state of an extraterrestrial presence engaging with the human race. He argues that being more forthcoming about UAPs will serve to strengthen the credibility of the evidence and the government itself.

“The American people may hear from their government the biggest truth, ever relayed, in a formal way to the human race,” Bassett said. “Now if you’re going to start truth-telling, to regain trust, why not start with a big one?”

[Kryztian]

John Greenwald interviews Luis Elizondo about the Pentagon deleting his emails and otherwise trying to discredit him.

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On the same topic in a shorter conversation with Tucker Carlson.

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[Bill Ryan]

John Greenwald interviews Luis Elizondo about the Pentagon deleting his emails and otherwise trying to discredit him.

Something I don't understand. Could someone explain?

If a corporation I worked for "deleted all my emails" (at their end), I'd still have them archived on my own computer, both sent and received. What am I missing?

~~~

Regardless of why Elizondo doesn't have any of the emails himself, this does seem to show that the Pentagon (or factions within the Pentagon) aren't supporting this disclosure thing at all.

[The Moss Trooper]

John Greenwald interviews Luis Elizondo about the Pentagon deleting his emails and otherwise trying to discredit him.

Something I don't understand. Could someone explain?

If a corporation I worked for "deleted all my emails" (at their end), I'd still have them archived on my own computer, both sent and received. What am I missing?

~~~

Regardless of why Elizondo doesn't have any of the emails himself, this does seem to show that the Pentagon (or factions within the Pentagon) aren't supporting this disclosure thing at all.

They may have been sent to Elizondo's corporate account, possibly he had a corporate computer, lap-top, that was handed back when he left.

Maybe.

It is all a little............ Government-ish isn't it, absolutely nothing straight forward or transparent.

Usual SOP to cause chaos and confusion.

[ExomatrixTV]

UFOs, Are They Real? Pentagon Expected To Release Report | UFO Expert Nick Pope | Ep. 142:

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[Hym]

John Greenwald interviews Luis Elizondo about the Pentagon deleting his emails and otherwise trying to discredit him.

Something I don't understand. Could someone explain?

If a corporation I worked for "deleted all my emails" (at their end), I'd still have them archived on my own computer, both sent and received. What am I missing?

~~~

Regardless of why Elizondo doesn't have any of the emails himself, this does seem to show that the Pentagon (or factions within the Pentagon) aren't supporting this disclosure thing at all.

Not ever. This is common intel gameboarding on a juvenile level.

In order to insert intel personnel into a cutout, cardboard role inside any 'opposition', and add credibility to their new 'hidden' orders, they are 'discredited', their emails are removed, the keys to the office are taken away, the door code is changed, their subscription to Spys R Us Weekly is cancelled, their parking access is removed.....et cetera...
Are the checks stopped? No way.

I'm surprised anyone is falling for this.
Not only are the controllers of all that tech behind it all, but there is likely a pay upgrade, and/or an active retirement bonus there, knowing that there is no such thing as retiring from any intel agency or the companies that control them.....the elite of the elite killers.

Why play patty cake with the devil? Do what all of us do and keep calling them out. Either way, those who control global resources could care less, even about those they employ, let alone humanity.

Enjoy what they dare to 'reveal' and remember all of the trillions of dollars of expenses, the human suffering, the complete lack of integrity, the breach of oaths, the treason against the human race that they will never disclose.

[ExomatrixTV]

What the new UFO Pentagon Footage Tells us..

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(warning: it is for entertainment purpose only).

Be aware above "Pewdiepie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PewDiePie)" YouTube channel has 110 Million subscribers therefor it is very VERY fascinating what the Top Rated Comments below this video are when watching on YouTube, as not all are downplaying the issue!

cheers,
John

[Sunny-side-up]

I wish they would hurry up and give us something to actually see/read.
Put me (us) out of our misery.
Then we will now where were going to be for the next 70 years o.0

[Rawhide68]

They will postpone the date for whatever reason that suits their agenda, as no 1 for sure.
Is it the 25th of June they said? not likely.
:violin:

[aoibhghaire]

http://youtube.com/watchhttps://www?v=6HcNDygdREY

Of interest is the current NASA Administrator Bill Nelson stated that he had known information during his tenure in intel and in the Armed Services Committee.

UFO TV NEWS - NASA Bill Nelson Saw UAP Videos during Armed Services Committee - CSPAN

A segment taken from a C-SPAN live news broadcast on June 2, 2021, of a Press Conference held by NASA at the Agency Headquarters in Washington DC.

NASA Administrator and former Senator Bill Nelson states that he has seen UAP / UFO video footage while serving in the 113th & 114th United States Congress Armed Services Committee, and actually spoke with pilots. This is very interesting, did he speak with them during some of the closed door meetings that were held by AATIP's Lue Elizondo and pilot witnesses..?

The timeframe of service that then Senator Bill Nelson served on the Armed Services Committee was from 2013 to 2017.
This must also mean that the Armed Services Committee had been briefed on the topic, either via AATIP or an internal enquiry, and that the briefings paperwork, and pilot reports should have come before quite a few significant political leadership.

[holcaul]

John Greenwald interviews Luis Elizondo about the Pentagon deleting his emails and otherwise trying to discredit him.

Something I don't understand. Could someone explain?

If a corporation I worked for "deleted all my emails" (at their end), I'd still have them archived on my own computer, both sent and received. What am I missing?

~~~

Regardless of why Elizondo doesn't have any of the emails himself, this does seem to show that the Pentagon (or factions within the Pentagon) aren't supporting this disclosure thing at all.

Not ever. This is common intel gameboarding on a juvenile level.

In order to insert intel personnel into a cutout, cardboard role inside any 'opposition', and add credibility to their new 'hidden' orders, they are 'discredited', their emails are removed, the keys to the office are taken away, the door code is changed, their subscription to Spys R Us Weekly is cancelled, their parking access is removed.....et cetera...
Are the checks stopped? No way.

I'm surprised anyone is falling for this.
Not only are the controllers of all that tech behind it all, but there is likely a pay upgrade, and/or an active retirement bonus there, knowing that there is no such thing as retiring from any intel agency or the companies that control them.....the elite of the elite killers.

Why play patty cake with the devil? Do what all of us do and keep calling them out. Either way, those who control global resources could care less, even about those they employ, let alone humanity.

Enjoy what they dare to 'reveal' and remember all of the trillions of dollars of expenses, the human suffering, the complete lack of integrity, the breach of oaths, the treason against the human race that they will never disclose.

You are spot-on. I totally concur.

[aoibhghaire]

4 JUNE 21 CNN ANDERSON COOPER exclusive! Sorry no link. But here is the brief below.

A military reporter has just given an interview on CNN with ANDERSON COOPER about information that is contained in the in the upcoming, highly anticipated US Navy Task Report to Congress.

The reporter said that the report will say that they have found NO EVIDENCE to PROVE the objects seen by the military pilots are ALIEN.

However, as Anderson Cooper pointed out immediately, such a statement does not mean that the objects ARE NOT ALIEN craft.

The report has also ruled US secret technology as one of the three possible explanation which means that foreign adversary technology is still on the table however, as the reporter admitted, that if that is the case then they have made a massive leap over US technology which in itself is highly unlikely and if true very disturbing.

Discussion:

Regarding the advance information contained in the upcoming Task Force report to Congress, one needs to understand that saying 'WE HAVE NOT FOUND PROOF THAT THE OBJECTS SEEN ARE ALIEN' does not mean that the objects aren't ALIEN, it really just means that we haven't captured one of those things to definitively KNOW what they are.

So, for those that will try to write the objects off as conventional terrestrial technology understand this. When this was done in the past, the press didn't have anything that was tangible to prove otherwise. Now they do, FLIR videos, radar footage etc.
I now suspect that they will call this out in a way never seen before as a FUDGE by the Task Force and the press who have been largely woeful on their reporting of the subject over the last 68 years (since the 1953 Robertson Panel) will, I believe, finally step up to the plate and will not allow story be fobbed off with a simple play on words.

UAP is heating up!, more to come but interesting to watch.

aoibhghaire

[jc71]

John Greenwald interviews Luis Elizondo about the Pentagon deleting his emails and otherwise trying to discredit him.

Something I don't understand. Could someone explain?

If a corporation I worked for "deleted all my emails" (at their end), I'd still have them archived on my own computer, both sent and received. What am I missing?

~~~

Regardless of why Elizondo doesn't have any of the emails himself, this does seem to show that the Pentagon (or factions within the Pentagon) aren't supporting this disclosure thing at all.

Hi Bill,

It depends on the method used by your email client. If you use something like Microsoft Outlook or Mozilla Thunderbird, and collect emails via POP or IMAP, then yes your computer/phone downloads copies of your emails. However, many email clients (e.g. Gmail in GSuite) run in the browser only and don't actually need to download emails to your local machine. And let's say Gmail *could* download emails for "Offline Mode", if it was a corporate GSuite account, that sort of setting might be disabled.

There is nothing to stop you forwarding emails to another account (although that would be recorded of course in the logs), but assuming you didn't do that, if your administrator deleted any of your emails, you would no longer be able to access them.

Not sure if that helps?

JC

[Bluegreen]

CTV News
http://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AAUvwngbYg8TP_H793FX5ZZ9T_7NWp05y5kl-ivLOI3XuyI=s48-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj

• Former Pentagon official discusses UFO sightings in Canada and the United States

Joy Malbon speaks with former Pentagon official Chris Mellon about sightings of unidentified flying objects, including some in Canada.

"Well, a rock star called me up one day ..."

Published 2nd June 2021 (14:15)
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[Agape]

It’s already leaking through the major news sites WHAT is the official report going to be about , approximately:

US intelligence officials have no evidence confirming Navy and pilot encounters were ET spacecraft (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/03/politics/intelligence-officials-navy-pilot-ufo-encounters/index.html)



Well, that gives us all more time to think about it, not too bad for the CIA.


🐳

[ExomatrixTV]

UFO TV NEWS - Balanced Coverage of UAP Report Topic - CTV News:

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[Operator]

It’s already leaking through the major news sites WHAT is the official report going to be about , approximately:

US intelligence officials have no evidence confirming Navy and pilot encounters were ET spacecraft (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/03/politics/intelligence-officials-navy-pilot-ufo-encounters/index.html)



Well, that gives us all more time to think about it, not too bad for the CIA.


🐳

They released it (I think yesterday) on dutch national news too.

I guess the first targeted audience may not be the general public but the scientific community.
Whatever it is you're watching is defying our physics amongst other things. So first focus point
will be "Do we have to revise our science?". Question science to make our scientists appear even
more unreliable after what's left of it because of COVID failures.

If we can't rely on our scientists then there is your intro into a threat right there ... insecurity.

[ExomatrixTV]

US military UFO report (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57355192) 'does not confirm or rule out alien activity' (BBC)

The 'Secret' (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/04/politics/ufo-odni-congress/index.html) that this UFO report exposes (Crap News Network)

UFO Report Raises National Security (https://www.today.com/video/ufo-report-raises-national-security-concerns-114320965838) Concerns

[Kryztian]

John Greenwald interviews Luis Elizondo about the Pentagon deleting his emails and otherwise trying to discredit him.

If a corporation I worked for "deleted all my emails" (at their end), I'd still have them archived on my own computer, both sent and received. What am I missing?


In the USA, ff you have a security clearance, you have a secondary email system for communicating to other people with similar clearances in the Defense Dept., State Dept., CIA, etc. about classified secret matters. These email are stored on a secure server. I know about this system because of one person who famously bypassed this system: Hillary Clinton. She had someone bypass the secure server and had her emails stored on her server at home. (Both she and the programmer who performed this feat should have gone to prison.)

[Star Wonder]

https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-latin-america-technology-government-and-politics-a9661ecdbf76c8334afff4c6a2d22e5f

Nothing to see here children. Now, go back to sleep.

We all were so hopeful, but we all know better than to think that the government is going to tell us the truth. There is just too much at stake for them to let go. Industries that would stand to lose...defense contractors, medical industry, energy industry, religious industry.....and the list goes on and on. The economy of the world would crash.

[aoibhghaire]

WHY THE ET/NON-HUMAN EXPLANATION HAS JUST TAKEN A BIG STEP FORWARD AND NOT BACKWARD

In the early hours of 4 June 2021 the news broke that the Navy Task Force had released some information ahead of the highly anticipated report to Congress on 25 June.

Basically, the Task Force had made two significant determinations:

That the crafts seen were not secret US tech and
That the Task Force could not prove that what was being seen was extraterrestrial.

Many observers may jump to the conclusion that the US were saying DIFINITIVELY that the objects seen were NOT ALIEN. However, that is precisely what they ARE NOT SAYING because they go to admit that they do not know what the CRAFT are and DO NOT understand how they move in the way they do.

Now let us look at what OPTIONS were available to the Task Force.

There were only three possible explanations for the craft seen repeatedly by navy fighter pilots.

US Secret technology.
Foreign adversary technology.
Extraterrestrial/non-human technology.

However, in reality, there were actually SIX options on the table.

US Secret technology
Can we prove it yes/no?
Foreign adversary technology
Can we prove it yes/no?
Extraterrestrial/non-human technology
Can we prove it yes/no? Now if we go back to what they had said, they have eliminated options 1 and 2.

They have announced option 6 i.e., they have NO PROOF of Extraterrestrial/non-human technology.

Now if that is a truthful answer, and bear in mind the US authorities have a terrible track record where the truth is concerned, that means that they have not been able to recover/retrieve any of the observed craft therefore, without the physical hardware they have no choice but to say ‘we can’t prove they are alien’ but by the same logic, they can’t prove that it ISN’T alien technology.

Significantly, they refer to option 3 but fail to answer option 4 i.e., can we prove it is foreign adversary technology – answer yes or no? Why do they not spell it out – we can’t prove it is foreign technology either?

The answer is simple and from their point of view, worth trying i.e., if we don’t spell it out then maybe no-one will notice!

The trouble is that the mainstream media now sense there is a real story so their attitude I suspect will be vastly different from generations prior to this moment in time.

Its hope the mainstream media will now finally do their job i.e., investigate like Watergate and hunt for the truth on this potentially, profound issue. The world is watching.

So, in the final analysis the reality of ET/Non-human CONTACT is now 50-50! And not 33 and a third.

Far from being down-hearted, people who have pursued the truth for decades should be realizing that we are just one step away from achieving the goal of real Disclosure on this issue.

The choice ahead is stark - now there are only two options on the table.

The US Navy Task Force new information means that these craft are ET/Non-Human or Foreign technology, but we can’t PROVE EITHER.

aoibhghaire

[Sunny-side-up]

We do only have the testimony of the navy pilots and crews.
Yes we have seen what could just be drones flying and without the added pilots testimony they don't look special.

So another option aoibhghaire could be is that it's just seeding for a 'False Invasion'

[aoibhghaire]

CHINA CONFIRMS IT HAS ITS OWN UFO TASK FORCE

Chinese Military Said to Be Using AI to Track an Increase in “Unidentified Air Conditions.”

https://thedebrief.org/china-confirms-it-has-its-own-ufo-task-force/

aoibhghaire

[mountain_jim]

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/msm-wastes-no-time-using-senate-ufo-report-promote-arms-race

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/msm-wastes-no-time-using-senate-ufo



MSM Wastes No Time Using Senate UFO Report To Promote Arms Race

The New York Times has published an article on the contents of the hotly anticipated US government report on UFOs, as per usual based on statements of anonymous officials, and as per usual promoting narratives that are convenient for imperialists and war profiteers.

Together with one voice, the anonymous US officials and the "paper of record" which is supposed to scrutinize US officials assure us definitively that the mysterious aerial phenomena that have reportedly been witnessed by military personnel are certainly not any kind of secret US technology, but could totally be aliens and could definitely be a sign that the Russians or Chinese have severely lapped America's lagging military development.

"The report determines that a vast majority of more than 120 incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any American military or other advanced U.S. government technology," NYT was reportedly told by the officials. "That determination would appear to eliminate the possibility that Navy pilots who reported seeing unexplained aircraft might have encountered programs the government meant to keep secret."

Oh well if the US government has ruled out secret US government weaponry programs, hot damn that's good enough for me. Great journalism you guys.


"Intelligence officials believe at least some of the aerial phenomena could have been experimental technology from a rival power, most likely Russia or China," the Times reports. "One senior official briefed on the intelligence said without hesitation that U.S. officials knew it was not American technology. He said there was worry among intelligence and military officials that China or Russia could be experimenting with hypersonic technology."

"Russia has been investing heavily in hypersonics, believing the technology offers it the ability to evade American missile-defense technology," NYT adds. "China has also developed hypersonic weaponry, and included it in military parades. If the phenomena were Chinese or Russian aircraft, officials said, that would suggest the two powers’ hypersonic research had far outpaced American military development."

The article goes on to describe how the US military have been "unsettled" by aircraft moving and behaving in ways known technologies cannot explain. The implication of scary foreign adversaries having "outpaced American military development" to such an extent is of course that the US military is going to require a far bigger budget with far more intensive weapons development.

This would be the same New York Times that has consistently supported all of the US military's devastating acts of mass murder around the world, by the way.

This won't be the last time we hear the imperial media warning us that UFOs may be a sign of a frightening gap in technology leaving the US defenseless against far more powerful foreign foes, and they've already been priming us for it. Republican Rachel Maddow aka Tucker Carlson has been shrilly pushing this narrative for weeks now and demanding that the US government do more to address the fact that in alleged encounters with these aircraft, "our military was completely outmatched technologically by whatever these were."

"UFOs, it turns out, are real, and whatever else they are, they’re a prima facie challenge to the United States military," Carlson said on a segment last month. "They’re doing things the U.S. military does not allow, and they’re doing it with impunity. And they appear to be focused on the U.S. military."

"Why isn’t the Pentagon more focused on this? It seems like a threat if there ever was one," Carlson huffed.

In another segment Carlson had on military intelligence veteran Luis Elizondo, a leading figure in the steadily intensifying new UFO narrative which kicked off in 2017, claiming the aforementioned Senate report on the subject will reveal "an intelligence failure on the part of the US intel community on the level of 9/11."

"If there's a foreign adversary that can put a nuclear warhead within moments over Washington DC, okay, that's a problem," Elizondo told Carlson's Fox News audience.

All this over some completely unverifiable testimony, and a few videos being confirmed by the Pentagon which can all be explained by easily identifiable mundane phenomena.

I can't predict the future, but I won't be at all surprised if we begin seeing this arms race angle become the dominant aspect of this UFO story in the coming months/years. It would certainly fit the pattern of the US war machine and mass media promoting completely unverifiable allegations about foreign governments to justify further cold war escalations.

In the early sixties President John F Kennedy falsely promoted the "missile gap" narrative, telling the public that the Soviet Union had surpassed the United States in nuclear weapons when he knew full well the US nuclear arsenal had always far surpassed the USSR's in number, quality and deployment. Kennedy used this hawkish narrative to win an election and advance the largest peacetime expansion of US military power ever, leading directly to the events which gave rise to the Cuban Missile Crisis which came far closer to ending our world than most of us like to think about.

I have no idea what if anything is going on with these UFO phenomena, but I do know the world-threatening new cold war the US is waging against Russia and China is insane. There is no valid reason our planet's dominant power structures cannot at the very least cease brandishing armageddon weapons at each other and begin collaborating toward a better world together.

Reject the propagandists and cold warriors, no matter how elaborate or bizarre their manipulations become. Keep an eye on these bastards, and help spread awareness of what they're about.

< more at links >

[Bill Ryan]

Here's Part 2, just a few hours old. :thumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YHR9JqzC1w

[Kryztian]

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/msm-wastes-no-time-using-senate-ufo


MSM Wastes No Time Using Senate UFO Report To Promote Arms Race

The New York Times has published an article on the contents of the hotly anticipated US government report on UFOs, as per usual based on statements of anonymous officials, and as per usual promoting narratives that are convenient for imperialists and war profiteers.

[...]

I can't predict the future, but I won't be at all surprised if we begin seeing this arms race angle become the dominant aspect of this UFO story in the coming months/years. It would certainly fit the pattern of the US war machine and mass media promoting completely unverifiable allegations about foreign governments to justify further cold war escalations.

[...]

I have no idea what if anything is going on with these UFO phenomena, but I do know the world-threatening new cold war the US is waging against Russia and China is insane. There is no valid reason our planet's dominant power structures cannot at the very least cease brandishing armageddon weapons at each other and begin collaborating toward a better world together.

Reject the propagandists and cold warriors, no matter how elaborate or bizarre their manipulations become. Keep an eye on these bastards, and help spread awareness of what they're about.


In other words, even if Elizondo, Mellon, et. al. aren't now stressing the threat capacity of the UFOs/UAPs, the discussion about them on Capitol Hill will put Congress in the situation where they have to say "We are going to do something about this!" and then, with the help of their lobbyist friends on "K" street, spend lots and lots of money and drive the U.S.A. even further into debt.

[ExomatrixTV]

NASA is getting serious (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/04/tech/ufos-nasa-study-scn/index.html) about UFOs
‘There is stuff (https://apnews.com/article/science-government-and-politics-808f797b27f8a0ac8d81ecd0343d1f36)’: Enduring Mysteries Trail US Report on UFOs
How UFO Sightings Went From 'Conspiracy Theory' To A Serious Government Inquiry (https://www.npr.org/2021/06/04/1003262749/how-ufo-sightings-went-from-conspiracy-theory-to-a-serious-government-inquiry?t=1622932387267)

[ExomatrixTV]

No Evidence Of Alien Technology In Aerial Phenomena - Wait…What!?:

bhmXm263SjQ

[Rawhide68]

Even if "Can we prove it yes/no? " to who, for what reason?

[Kryztian]

U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either

Since this article is behind a paywall, I will post the entire article to illustrate how clueless the NY Times is, or wants us to be.

A new report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/us/politics/ufos-sighting-alien-spacecraft-pentagon.html
June 3, 2021 - By Julian E. Barnes and Helene Cooper


The U.S. Navy has officially published previously released videos showing unexplained objects.CreditCredit...Department of Defense, via Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Julian E. BarnesHelene Cooper

By Julian E. Barnes and Helene Cooper
June 3, 2021

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have found no evidence that aerial phenomena witnessed by Navy pilots in recent years are alien spacecraft, but they still cannot explain the unusual movements that have mystified scientists and the military, according to senior administration officials briefed on the findings of a highly anticipated government report.

The report determines that a vast majority of more than 120 incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any American military or other advanced U.S. government technology, the officials said. That determination would appear to eliminate the possibility that Navy pilots who reported seeing unexplained aircraft might have encountered programs the government meant to keep secret.

But that is about the only conclusive finding in the classified intelligence report, the officials said. And while a forthcoming unclassified version, expected to be released to Congress by June 25, will present few other firm conclusions, senior officials briefed on the intelligence conceded that the very ambiguity of the findings meant the government could not definitively rule out theories that the phenomena observed by military pilots might be alien spacecraft.


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39737&d=154813150
This image is not from the NY Times, it is just my editorial comment on it.

Americans’ long-running fascination with U.F.O.s has intensified in recent weeks in anticipation of the release of the government report. Former President Barack Obama further stoked the interest when he was asked last month about the incidents on “The Late Late Show with James Corden” on CBS.

“What is true, and I’m actually being serious here,” Mr. Obama said, “is that there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we don’t know exactly what they are.’’

The report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. One possible explanation — that the phenomena could be weather balloons or other research balloons — does not hold up in all cases, the officials said, because of changes in wind speed at the times of some of the interactions.

The final report will also include a classified annex, the officials said. While the annex will not contain any evidence concluding that the phenomena are alien spacecraft, the officials acknowledged that the fact that it would remain off limits to the public was likely to continue to fuel speculation that the government had secret data about alien visitations to Earth.

Many of the more than 120 incidents examined in the report are from Navy personnel, officials said. The report also examined incidents involving foreign militaries over the last two decades. Intelligence officials believe at least some of the aerial phenomena could have been experimental technology from a rival power, most likely Russia or China.

One senior official briefed on the intelligence said without hesitation that U.S. officials knew it was not American technology. He said there was worry among intelligence and military officials that China or Russia could be experimenting with hypersonic technology.
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He and other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the classified findings in the report.

Russia has been investing heavily in hypersonics, believing the technology offers it the ability to evade American missile-defense technology. China has also developed hypersonic weaponry, and included it in military parades. If the phenomena were Chinese or Russian aircraft, officials said, that would suggest the two powers’ hypersonic research had far outpaced American military development.

Navy pilots were often unsettled by the sightings. In one encounter, strange objects — one of them like a spinning top moving against the wind — appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015, high in the skies over the East Coast. Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes, but that they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds.

Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who was with the Navy for 10 years, told The New York Times in an interview, “These things would be out there all day.” With the speeds he and other pilots observed, he said, “12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”

In late 2014, a Super Hornet pilot had a near collision with one of the objects, and an official mishap report was filed. Some of the incidents were recorded on video, including one taken by a plane’s camera in early 2015 that shows an object zooming over the ocean waves as pilots question what they are watching.

The Defense Department has been collecting such reports for more than 13 years as part of a shadowy, little-known Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program within the Pentagon. The program analyzed radar data, video footage and accounts provided by the Navy pilots and senior officers.

The program began in 2007 and was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time. It was officially shut down in 2012, when the money dried up, according to the Pentagon. But Luis Elizondo, who ran the program at the time, said that he continued it until 2017. After the publication of a New York Times article later that year about the program and criticism from program officials that the government was not forthcoming about reports on aerial phenomena, the Pentagon restarted the program last summer as the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.

The task force’s mission was to “detect, analyze and catalog” sightings of strange objects in the sky that could pose a threat to national security. But government officials said they also wanted to remove the stigma for service members who report U.F.O. sightings in the hope that more would be encouraged to speak up if they saw something. The goal, officials said, was to give authorities a better idea of what might be out there.

Last year, lawmakers inserted a provision in the Intelligence Authorization Act that said the government must submit an unclassified report on what it knows about U.F.O.s. That report is the one to be released this month.

Officials briefed on the report said it also examined video that shows a whitish oval object described as a giant Tic Tac, about the size of a commercial plane, encountered by two Navy fighter jets off the coast of San Diego in 2004.

In that incident, the pilots reported an interaction with the craft, which lasted for several minutes. At one point, the object peeled away, one of the pilots, Cmdr. David Fravor, later said in an interview with The Times. “It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen,” he said.

The report studies that incident, including the video that accompanied the interaction. The provenance of the object, the officials said, is still unknown.

[ExomatrixTV]

Former Pentagon official discusses UFO sightings in Canada and the United States:

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UFO/UAP LIVESTREAM Richard Hoffman from the SCU:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Experts Weigh In on Pentagon UFO Report (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-weigh-in-on-pentagon-ufo-report/)

The vast majority of examined incidents were not caused by U.S. advanced technology programs, the forthcoming report concludes. So what’s going on?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


UFOs: how to calculate the odds (https://theconversation.com/ufos-how-to-calculate-the-odds-that-an-alien-spaceship-has-been-spotted-162269) that an alien spaceship has been spotted

[ExomatrixTV]

The U.S. Government's Long-Awaited UFO Report Is Here (https://time.com/6071397/ufo-study/). Its Findings? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ExomatrixTV]

UFOs or UAPs: What's the difference (https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/57344606) and why are people talking about them?




UFOs in Montana: Redgate area (https://www.kxlf.com/news/montana-news/ufos-in-montana-redgate-area-near-deer-lodge-a-hotspot-for-paranormal-and-ufo-activity) near Deer Lodge a hotspot for paranormal and UFO activity

[Sunny-side-up]

UFOs or UAPs: What's the difference (https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/57344606) and why are people talking about them?




UFOs in Montana: Redgate area (https://www.kxlf.com/news/montana-news/ufos-in-montana-redgate-area-near-deer-lodge-a-hotspot-for-paranormal-and-ufo-activity) near Deer Lodge a hotspot for paranormal and UFO activity


UFOs = long time well researched and reported sightings.
UAPs = A way to burry the UFOs with new name for searches and for the GOV'S to claim the phenomenon.

[onawah]

That article can only be viewed at the Time.com link if you are a paid subscriber, Can it be copied and pasted here? Thanks


The U.S. Government's Long-Awaited UFO Report Is Here (https://time.com/6071397/ufo-study/). Its Findings? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Bill Ryan]

That article can only be viewed at the Time.com link if you are a paid subscriber, Can it be copied and pasted here? Thanks



The U.S. Government's Long-Awaited UFO Report Is Here (https://time.com/6071397/ufo-study/). Its Findings? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't have any trouble viewing it, but sure, here it is: :thumbsup:

~~~

The U.S. Government's Long-Awaited UFO Report Is Here. Its Findings? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

4 June, 2021

The U.S. Navy pilots flying maneuvers in their F/A-18 Super Hornets in 2015 did not have to wait for yesterday’s leak of the classified government report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP)—better known as UFOs—to know that they were seeing things they could not explain outside their windscreens. The objects were, yes, saucer-shaped, and they were bobbing, darting and changing directions with a speed and nimbleness that no known technology could manage.

“Look at that thing, dude!” one pilot shouted. “Oh my gosh. There’s a whole fleet of them. They’re going against the wind! The wind’s 120 knots [135 mph] west!”

Cockpit cameras captured what the crew was seeing, (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/pentagon-declassifies-ufo-videos-taken-by-navy-pilots.html) and in 2020, the Pentagon declassified the footage. Perhaps the most remarkable thing about what the crew saw that day was how unremarkable it was becoming. In the past 20 years, military pilots have made more than 120 sightings of objects with no apparent signs of conventional propulsion—no exhaust or contrails, and certainly no wings or fins.

In 2007, Congress established the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program Task Force, championed by then-Nevada Senator Harry Reid, charging the intelligence department with determining if the objects really are extraterrestrial in origin or—perhaps worse—advanced military technology being developed by China, Russia or other potential foes.

That program shut down for lack of funding in 2012. But the work resumed last year, when then-President Donald Trump signed a $2.3 trillion COVID-19 relief bill that also required (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/03/23/ufo-report-covid-bill/) the Pentagon to continue investigating UAPs and release its findings to the public.

That release is tentatively set for later this month, but the New York Times published a copy (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/us/politics/ufos-sighting-alien-spacecraft-pentagon.html?referringSource=articleShare) yesterday, and the conclusions are just enough to intrigue everyone and satisfy no one: There is no evidence that the UAPs are of extraterrestrial origin, but nor can that possibility be ruled out.

The report says definitively that the objects are not American military craft, but pointedly does not discount the possibility that they could belong to another earthly nation. Both Russia and China are known to be experimenting with hypersonic technology—vehicles and weapons that can move at five times the speed of sound or faster—and certainly the velocity of the objects seen by American pilots would be consistent with that kind of engineering.

But the suddenness with which the objects change directions would—or at least should—cause G-forces that would rip them (or their inhabitants) apart, and the length of time some of them remain aloft goes beyond what conventional fuel technology could support.

“These things would be out there all day,” one pilot told the Times. At the speeds at which the objects were moving, he added, “12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.” Other objects sighted have done other extraordinary things, including diving from the air into the ocean and back out, once again at seemingly fatal speeds.

Those kinds of so-far inexplicable abilities have caught the attention of a lot of people who normally keep their distance from what could be seen as fringe beliefs.

“What is true, and I’m actually being serious here, is that there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we don’t know exactly what they are,” former President Barack Obama said May 17 on The Late Late Show with James Corden.

During her presidential campaign in 2016, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was asked about any classified data that might exist on UAPs and how she would handle it as President. “I want to open the files as much as we can,” she said (https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2016/05/10/nytnow/your-evening-briefing/s/10eveningss-slide-HRRN.html).

“There’s enough stories out there that I don’t think everybody is just sitting in their kitchen making them up.” Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, is also on the record as wanting more information on UAPs.

But others with deep expertise in space-related matters are simply not persuaded that there is anything otherworldly to be found from investigating the UAP sightings.

“As Carl Sagan said some time ago, extraordinary claims require for their validation extraordinary evidence,” John Logsdon, founder and longtime director of George Washington University’s Space Policy Institute, said in an email to TIME.

“Apparently the government report says that there is no such evidence. So I continue to be agnostic about these phenomena, leaning strongly to thinking they are, one way or the other, of human origin.”

In the event that’s indeed the case, Logsdon believes that whatever the government learns will likely remain the government’s business. “If these observations are indeed related to highly classified national security activity,” he said, “I would not expect their origin to be revealed in an unclassified government report.”

More information will surely be forthcoming when the full report drops before the end of the month. But if Logsdon’s right, best to expect the unidentified aerial phenomena to remain unidentified.

[onawah]

I had already reached the limit of articles non-subscribers are allowed to access for free on that site.
Once one reaches that limit, THEN :lever: there is a price! :wof: Anyway, thanks to Bill.
(Very ho-hum :yawn: article for all that...)

I didn't have any trouble viewing it, but sure, here it is: :thumbsup:

[s7e6e]

It's the same diluted bull****, promoting completely opposed theories at the same time. :bad: :tsk:

[holcaul]

...And yet another gem from the Dark Journalist:

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Enjoy!

[TrumanCash]

IMO, disclosure already has been done by the tens of thousands of firsthand witnesses who have been abducted or contacted by ETs.

So TRUE TrumanCash. Do you think there are people ie contactees that KNOW in-depth the QUESTIONS most people including the Gov/military/black ops are wanting to know? Do you find it interesting the UAPs have not tried to communicate with Gov, Navy, black ops, etc? If you were an advanced species visiting here would you want to talk with the varied nations military?

Thanks, mojo.

Q 1: I think the military secret ops pretty much know everything by now. Many years ago Bill Cooper said he read gov docs that said ETs created religions and secret societies and Bob Lazar said he read they created religions so I think they know even a lot more now. In fact they appear to be implementing the Anunnaki/Reptilian 1984-style "Great Reset" agenda so they're probably one big happy blood sacrificing, baby eating death cult. I mean, check out the Fauci family coat of arms.

Q2: I have no data on that but assume anything the gov says is a lie with a hidden agenda.

Q3: F*ck no. I would rather help the good people of Earth conduct the Nuremberg II trials asap.

UAP or UFO -- potato or potahto -- Either way they're still using the word "Unidentified". Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! That is so funny to me. :ROFL:

[Did You See Them]

I Found this line worth pointing out from the Time article.

"if the objects really are extraterrestrial in origin or—perhaps worse—advanced military technology"

"Perhaps worse" ! Sounds like their not playing the "Aliens" as quiet the bad guys I thought they would.

They will get their military dollars just in case, whilst at the same time government sanctioned "serious research" can be undertaken to slowly disclose.

[thepainterdoug]

from Paul Craig Roberts/

Søren Roest Korsgaard

During the second quarter of 2021, the mainstream press across the Western hemisphere has been stumbling upon each other to inform us that aliens might exist and have visited us. A search for “UFO” on Google News yields numerous recent articles: “How UFO Sightings Went From Conspiracy Theory To A Serious Government Inquiry,” “NASA chef says the agency is investigating UFOs,” “If UFOs are aliens, Obama hopes humanity would find ‘common ground,’” “Defense Department confirms leaked Navy UFO video,” “She´s a fighter pilot who saw a UFO. For Real,” “Chris Reed: The government says UFOs are real. What´s next?” “Opinion: That UFOs are real is easy to see,” and on and on. Across the Atlantic, we see a similar interest in the subject by the mainstream press and science commentators.

For decades, the UFO policy of the press was generally to stigmatize, humiliate, and put UFO researchers in the conspiracy theory domain; this is true regardless of whether you found yourself in Europe, US, Asia, or anywhere else. In past years, we experienced a psychological operation to discredit UFO believers and reject the idea of “extraterrestrial visitors” without investigation, despite an abundance of reports such as the 1947 UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico.

There have been some courageous scientists who have risked their careers by taking extraterrestrials seriously, such as nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman and Apollo 14 Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell. I will not tax the readers with a dissertation of evidence for the existence of extraterrestrials, as such is readily available.

Dr. Steven Greer´s movie, “Unacknowledged: An Expose of the World´s Greatest Secret,” contains numerous credible sources, like high ranking military men, former intelligence operatives, and scientists coming clean about extraterrestrials visiting Earth and their strong interest in nuclear facilities and weaponry.

Governments have extensive knowledge of the UFO phenomenon and technology, but why the 180 degree turn from tinfoil hat to officially admitted phenomena? Why the sudden about face?

Obviously, flying saucers have been mustered in support of an agenda. One possible agenda is that an alien threat is a new reason for increasing the military/security complex budget. The militarization of space can be justified by the extraterrestrial threat and disguise US preparation of an attack on Russia and China. Will there be some kind of false flag “alien attack” to bring the public into compliance?

A story could be borrowed from science fiction that some malevolent alien species has camouflaged themselves as humans, from which flows the justification for implementing all kinds of state-of-the-art mass surveillance technology and devices, in addition to a more global and widespread roll out of artificial intelligence intended to disempower people. In 2011, the Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman stated that the world needed “an alien invasion” in order to fix the financial crisis: “If we discovered that space aliens were planning to attack, and we needed a massive build-up to counter the space alien threat, and inflation and budget deficits took secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months.”

The new UFO reporting and government reports could be used to heighten fears of Russian and Chinese military developments. A June 2021 New York Times article states that “Intelligence officials believe at least some of the aerial phenomena could have been experimental technology from a rival power, most likely Russia or China.” Julian E. Barnes and Helene Cooper, the authors of the article, emphasize that the US is falling behind rival powers: “One senior official briefed on the intelligence said without hesitation that U.S. officials knew it was not American technology. He said there was worry among intelligence and military officials that China or Russia could be experimenting with hypersonic technology. … Russia has been investing heavily in hypersonics, believing the technology offers it the ability to evade American missile-defense technology. China has also developed hypersonic weaponry, and included it in military parades. If the phenomena were Chinese or Russian aircraft, officials said, that would suggest the two powers’ hypersonic research had far outpaced American military development.”

The sudden elevation of tinfoil hats to legitimacy is a two-edged sword. Now that UFOs are officially acknowledged, will other claims, such as those by former Canadian Minister of Defense Paul Hellyer be considered?

Personally, I would be relaxed more than alarmed by extraterrestrials keeping an eye on us. They haven’t used their superior technology to dominate us. It is all to the best if they decide we can’t be trusted with nuclear weapons any more than children should be able to play with matches and take them away from us. As Washington has proved incapable of maintaining good relations with Russia and China, the extraterrestrials could perform the adult role.

Søren Roest Korsgaard is the editor of “The Most Dangerous Book Ever Published: Deadly Deception Exposed,” an anthology containing 80 essays from prominent alternative thinkers who dissect Covid-19, the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, WW2, false flag attacks, and the dangers of smart meters, fluoridation, artificial intelligence, and other subjects.

[boja]

So now we have CLINTON copying OBAMA. That's 2 Ex - Presidents. (Saying UFOs are REAL).

If they can prevent BIDEN from running off stage, we could have a sitting President. (Saying UFOs are REAL).

The "SILLY GAME" continues....

We've got this subject you were forbidden from talking about for decades ....
But now we want you to talk about it ....
Carry on, children ....

Seriously, Are we supposed to respect these people ??? - It's PATHETIC !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Pr9Zjxja0

[mojo]

Let's add a few data points. Jacque Vallee worked with Robert Bigelow involving Skin Walker Ranch and other related UFO material. We recently learned in episode 5 of the TV series that Colonel John Alexander & Bigelow did not come to any conclusions what the phenomenon behind the Ranch is. Garry Nolan geneticist at Stanford and friend of mine and friend of Jacques also mentioned that they didnt know who or what was behind the UAPs. Jacques was asking me what I thought which shocked me...

It seems to me that the species of ET is more varied and numerous than previously thought. And so in the past humans made contact with one type but did not know anything about other species. Which makes sense to Jacques reply.

[jtcribbs]

Steven Greer appearing here...two hours ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aAldP5mTlM

[boja]

Quote from Former F/A 18 Pilot RYAN GRAVES Jun 9, 2021 :-

"I have heard through active duty sources that the objects seen on the East Coast (appear like a cube in a

sphere) CONTINUE TODAY and can also be found on the West Coast."

[Did You See Them]

Just to put it here for the record - SETI's take so far.

By Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer.

https://www.seti.org/sneak-peek-ufouap-report

[aoibhghaire]

CHINA is preparing to address UFOs at the United Nations as it launches its own probe into the strange encounters, an ex-Pentagon investigator has said.

https:www.thesun.co.uk/news/15216009/ufos-china-un-beijing-pentagon/

aoibhghaire

[Kryztian]

If you think the age of debunking and denial on UFOs ended with Donald Menzel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Howard_Menzel#Menzel_and_UFOs) or Philip Klass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Klass), Scientific American is putting forth it's new panel of "experts" who "weigh in" on the subject.

Experts Weigh In on Pentagon UFO Report
The vast majority of examined incidents were not caused by U.S. advanced technology programs, the forthcoming report concludes. So what’s going on?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-weigh-in-on-pentagon-ufo-report/

The article is pretty low on actual science and pretty high on a sociological depiction of the world made up a frenzied "believers" and a media eager to feed their madness, contrasted by a few "sober" and "unbiased" experts who have thoroughly debunked UFO claims from their ivory towers.


Meanwhile all this strangeness has garnered considerable media attention, from front-page stories in the New York Times to 13,000-word articles in the New Yorker, as well as prominent coverage on 60 Minutes and other prime-time television programs. Through it all, a sizable contingent of true believers have steadily proclaimed, “We told you so,” insistent in their conviction that, whether called UFOs or UAPs, the entities seemingly slipping through our skies are actually alien spacecraft—and have been visiting Earth for a very long time.

If the editorial staff and some authors of Scientific American really wants to know what people are like who have an inflexible belief system, there is a simple optics experiment they can perform which might help them hone in on the target demographic - go out and buy and mirror and stare into it.

Of course, Scientific American has to leave the door open for a scientific explanation to the UFO phenomena. Since the swamp gas, mirage of Sirius and weather balloon explanations are now retired cliches, they have to invent new one:


... there may be electromagnetic phenomena in the atmosphere that we still don't understand.

I wish Scientific American would stick to doing what they do best: actual science. Their politically tinged depictions of those who study phenomena that they turn their nose up at is abysmal. With articles like this, they make Eustace Tilly of the New Yorker look enlightened and open minded.



https://i.imgur.com/tDIjFRl.png?1

[aoibhghaire]

I read the article from Scientific American and I was disappointed to read what these scientists had to say. It’s unfortunate that Scientific American selected these scientists that are ignorant of the UAP historical records and the constraints and the intentional brainwashing that has been perpetrated by past funded government reports. The editors should be ashamed and are just as ignorant as well. In one respect, when you research the history of the UFO/UAP subject the brainwashing that has infiltrated the scientific establishment is rife. So therefore this is reflected in there sweeping statements with no foundation. I’ll explain in more detail how this comes about about and the concern for society when scientists present the argument of ignorance.

In the scientific community we have hubris and human self-centeredness that have been fundamental barriers to clear thinking about the opportunities and risks surrounding the UAP. Its been a case of extraordinary conservatism leading to extraordinary ignorance.

Douglas Walton draws on everyday conversations on all kinds of practical matters in which the argumentum ad ignorantiam is used quite appropriately to infer conclusions. Walton makes an original contribution in the areas of argumentation theory and informal logic, contending that, despite its traditional classification as a fallacy, the argument from ignorance is a genuine, very common, and legitimate type of argumentation with an identifiable structure.(Walton 1996)

Our political-scientific-sociology around the concept that the government promotes the most effective peer reviewed science fails when we have a Black Swan ie. UAP. It takes this information and acts in accordance with government backed data. Hence, when both Condon report in 1969 and the Condign report in 2000 from the U.S. and U.K. formulated policy on UAP, the government pushed the notion that there was no threat to national security posed.

The result was the mainstream media took that narrative and the world formulated a belief system around UAP/UFOs. Therefore the incorrect information that UAP/UFOs aren’t a serious issue was filtered into the worlds society. In the case of Condon who abandoned his intellectual integrity and scientific objectivity and proclaimed that there was nothing of interest to science about the UFO phenomenon. (Maccabee 2000)

James McDonald, Principle Scientist statement to the House Committee on Science and Astronautics in 1968 on UFOs “are probably extraterrestrial devices engaged in something that might very tentatively be termed "surveillance." (McDonald 1968) “The UFO problem, far from being the nonsense problem that it has often been labelled by many scientists, constitutes a problem of extraordinary scientific interest.”

The above points I raise trigger a UAP taboo that sets off a new breed of scientists as I’ll explain.

The UAP taboo was left to an invisible college of independent scientists without funding. Leaving very few scientists operating under a cloak and dagger scenario, ducking and weaving from any exposure in case there careers and pensions were jeopardized. If the science community had recognised the UAP subject it would have saved 75 years wasted delay.

References:

Walton, Douglas, 1996, Arguments from Ignorance, Pennsylvania State University Press, Philosophy.

McDonald, James, 1968, Principle Scientist, Statement on Unidentified Flying Objects, submitted to the House Committee on Science and Astronautics at July 29,1968, Symposium on Unidentified Flying Objects, Rayburn Bldg., Washington, D.C.

Maccabee, Bruce, 2000, UFO/FBI Connection: The Secret History of the Government's Cover-Up Paperback.

aoibhghaire

[Kryztian]

In the scientific community we have hubris and human self-centeredness that have been fundamental barriers to clear thinking about the opportunities and risks surrounding the UAP.

Nothing sums up this article better than that sentence right there.:thumbsup: Good scientific thinking and careful methodology should help one get around the hubris and ego, but we have none of that on display in this article.

I think the ufological community really needs to confront the self proclaimed "scientific" community and their insults and petty deprecations of a community that is, at its core, focused on evidence, reason and understanding. Ufologists need to present a collection of best UFO cases backed up by solid evidence and documentation and demand that Scientific American put their best physicists and astronomers and engineers and social scientists examine these cases and come up with an explanation for them that does not imply some type of extra/ultra-terrestrial intelligence is the at work here. It's time to make the people at Scientific American put out or STFU!

[aoibhghaire]

In re reading the article from Scientific American I did notice one exception to all the scientists. In particular to Avi Loeb’s initiative and actions if funding was in place, said he would like to spearhead a research project on UAP. I do respect him for being honest that he knows nothing about UAP. But at least would like to follow through with a project to obtain data and analysis. The rest of the scientists in the article had the lazy responses that we are all familiar with.

Unfortunately, the scientific establishment failed to recognise the UAP existence due to the debunking charade by government reports like Condon and Blue Book. These government reports were intentionally published to debunk the UAP issue because senior researchers couldn’t either integrate its reality and thereby setting an illusionary mental framework in the scientific arena. Scientists may have been influenced that society wasn’t ready for the ramifications published due to the Brookings Institute report of 1960. Its no surprise that this led to over the decades no funding or grants for UAP research in particular, for departments of Astronomy, SETI and Astrobiology. This situation then led to the UAP taboo.

There are huge repositories supporting evidence with masses of references to help the academic community (scientists) to not only follow up, but speed up there education in this new arena confirming the existence of UAP not just relying on recently announced UAP existence by the Pentagon, but many other governments UAP repositories worldwide. In addition, the UAP historical records traced back 140 years shows a sustained infusion of UAP constructs interpreted even in that period similar to the current UAP characteristics. So there is nothing new, only the highlighting of UAP in the media. Only then the establishment/academic community became aware of this subject.

The perception of the scientific community with pseudoscientific studies of UFOs and now the more respectful UAP Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena have unfolded largely based on conjecture and speculocatenation—the linking together of purely speculative ideas. Unfortunately, this has acted to diminish the integrity of actual research into the matter and has significantly muddied the waters with regard to what constitutes an actual objective scientific investigation of the phenomenon.

First, the nature of the question posed here, as it is centered on actual tangible outcomes as described in the evidential third paragraph above, rather than simply speculating about whether something may or may not exist somewhere else in the vastness of space. The argument put forward to scientists reading this missive here is the hypothesis that we have an extraterrestrial intelligence/non human intelligence depicted within the framework of UAP. Once this is recognised then the education can begin by not only familiarising the scientific community but special awareness programs could be initiated that can train and educate the academic community. Leading to having university course curriculum on the subject with its so many categories.

As Hynek said “there is an embarrassing treasure trove of evidence”

aoibhghaire

[Bill Ryan]

Steven Greer appearing here...two hours ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aAldP5mTlM:bump: Excellent, and recommended. :thumbsup:

[aoibhghaire]

We are coming close this month to the initial UAP revelations in the long awaited senate report. It all depends how much is revealed besides the existence and reality. What does it mean for investments for the future. This can only be determined on how much is revealed and what the reaction will be. If we take it that it has extreme revelations of a mind blowing nature for Mankind in the report then the future may be positive.

It would require a rewiring of consciousness at the corporate level is needed for new future investments to be positive for the planet.

The recognition of the disclosure depends on how the narrative is transmitted to investors. Investments by corporations will be reviewed with intense details as there world view has changed into another direction. A lot more detail on PA thread Who can predict "Post Alien UFO Disclosure Economics" trends? ... anyone? See Post 11.

If Corporations recognize the reality of this arrival, in particular major financial institutions whom have a duty and expectation to their investors, it provides these pioneers with that vision in mind that will have questions. These questions may influence their future and possibly governments to avoid policies from executing unwanted deterrents with their subsequent ramifications.

While being aware that up until the present, world governments have collectively and steadfastly denied the existence of UAP/ETL, this is rapidly changing at this time. Political initiatives have commanded agencies that are now sanctioned to report, catalog and disclose formerly secret operations and expenditures related to the study of UAP/ETL These initiatives during 2020, have very clearly acknowledged the existence of UAP and the possible engagement and consequences to the military.

If the USA is too slow or even still worse has a policy of bypassing these actions then the recognition event might emanate from a more liberal, progressive Western European government, one already in process of declassifying state secrets. Once one sovereign state comes forward with the acknowledgement, it will be near impossible for other governments to stagger on much longer under the weight of a debunked charade.

Once Corporate management seriously evaluates, analyses Emerging Markets (EM) vs Developed Markets (DM) within the framework of the UAP existence, the current fundamental Corporate business models would have to drastically change that encompass a new rewiring of consciousness, then the future may be positive.

[ExomatrixTV]

UFOs: Will the truth finally be told?:

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Reaction to US intelligence UFO report:

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Luis Elizondo, Former Director, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (Full Stream: 6/8):

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Former Air Force Pilot Breaks Down UFO Footage | WIRED:

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NASA and UFOs (https://earthsky.org/human-world/nasa-and-ufos-bill-nelson/?utm_source=EarthSky News): Space Agency to take closer look

I predict coming months we will hear also many UPDATES (additional really interesting governmental insights) to older UFO cases ... being leaked to the public as well.

ps: ⚠️ I wrote this yesterday & today: tinyurl.com/Post-Alien-Disclosure-Trends (http://tinyurl.com/Post-Alien-Disclosure-Trends) 🦜🦋🌳

cheers,
John

[ExomatrixTV]

The Black Vault LIVE - Updates / AMA / Open Lines:

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⚠️ I wrote this yesterday & today: tinyurl.com/Post-Alien-Disclosure-Trends (http://tinyurl.com/Post-Alien-Disclosure-Trends) 🦜🦋🌳

[Kryztian]

Another excellent talk by Daniel Sheehan

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Two points I found particularly interesting:

20:52 - Shehan talks about how U.S. government may have used private corporations to profit off the UFO phenomena. He specifically mentions Brown Brothers Harriman (affiliated with the Bush family and the Dulles brother). He is confused by the name, but I think he is refering to Yamashìta's gold (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105519-Yamashlta-s-gold) here.

43:00 - The NGR (National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency) has the intelligence files on the Roswell incident. [The NGA is the fifth largest intelligence agency within the United States government, and unlike the CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA (Defense Intelligence) and ONI (Naval Intelligence), yet hardly anyone has heard of it or written about it.]

[ExomatrixTV]

All Right. Let's Talk About The UFO Thing | Answers With Joe:

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[ExomatrixTV]

UFOs Are Real - THIS Proves It:

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[holcaul]

”Capitol Hill lawmakers said Wednesday that UFOs could pose a pressing threat to America’s national security…”


New York Post article says. Here is an extract:


UFOs could threaten US security, pols say after Capitol Hill briefing

By Juliegrace Brufke and Aaron Feis

Just in time for Independence Day.

Capitol Hill lawmakers said Wednesday that UFOs could pose a pressing threat to America’s national security, as the pols emerged from a highly classified briefing with Navy and FBI officials on the unexplained phenomena.

Ahead of the release of a highly anticipated Pentagon report on unidentified flying objects before month’s end, members of the House Intelligence Committee received a hush-hush sneak preview inside a SCIF, or “sensitive compartmented information facility.”

As for the existence of extraterrestrial life, the lawmakers largely left the secrets inside the surveillance-proof room, declining to tell reporters what they learned...

https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/ufos-could-threaten-u-s-security-pols-say-after-briefing

[boja]

After the Briefing, One Word Answer from Rep. Quigley (D, Ill) :-

"DISAPPOINTING"

[Agape]

”Capitol Hill lawmakers said Wednesday that UFOs could pose a pressing threat to America’s national security…”


New York Post article says. Here is an extract:


UFOs could threaten US security, pols say after Capitol Hill briefing

By Juliegrace Brufke and Aaron Feis

Just in time for Independence Day.

Capitol Hill lawmakers said Wednesday that UFOs could pose a pressing threat to America’s national security, as the pols emerged from a highly classified briefing with Navy and FBI officials on the unexplained phenomena.

Ahead of the release of a highly anticipated Pentagon report on unidentified flying objects before month’s end, members of the House Intelligence Committee received a hush-hush sneak preview inside a SCIF, or “sensitive compartmented information facility.”

As for the existence of extraterrestrial life, the lawmakers largely left the secrets inside the surveillance-proof room, declining to tell reporters what they learned...

http://https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/ufos-could-threaten-u-s-security-pols-say-after-briefing/ (https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/ufos-could-threaten-u-s-security-pols-say-after-briefing/)



That’s straight miserable. Let me not ..start considering all the consequences ..

Here, a worthy article from Indian intelligence commentators on the subject:


Are aliens real ? Close encounters of many kinds (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newindianexpress.com/opinions/columns/ravi-shankar/2021/jun/13/close-encountersof-many-kinds-2314455.amp)


Also mentioned are few sightings and possible ET encounters in India itself. Perhaps India will decide to contribute some more genuine information following the Pentagon releases but you may also wisely ask “cui bono”, who would benefit.

India and its many founding cultures with scriptural records dating back thousands of years, some of them solely devoted to induction to various cosmological principles and other advanced abstracts while describing in detail also flying wheels and weapons of gods and demigods is deeply rooted in the principle of nonviolence and benevolence to other sentient beings.

Benevolent beings will be always welcome in our skies. Those with aggressive intent would be sharply dealt with, I believe.

We believe in protection of benevolent powers of the Universe.

Good luck


🙏

[ExomatrixTV]

What Do We Know About UFOs? | The Agenda:

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A highly anticipated Pentagon report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) - also known as UFOs - has raised lots of interest from astronomers, journalists, and even former president Barack Obama. The Canadian military has documents of reported UFO sightings going back decades. What explains this? Is it proof of extraterrestrial life? Or, a foreign military using advanced technology? Our panel discusses the new interest in these mysterious sightings.

[Kryztian]

Sam Harris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris), a famous neurologist who has much to say about the nature of consciousness, has been contacted by someone in government, possibly CIA and/or Naval Intelligence, requested help on disclosing the UFO/UAP phenomena:


I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.”

“It sounds like the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Pentagon are very likely to say to Congress at some point in the not-too-distant future that we have evidence that there is technology flying around here that seems like it can’t possibly be of human origin, all right? Now, I don’t know what I’m going to do with that kind of disclosure … [t]hat is such a powerfully strange circumstance to be in, right? What are we going to do with that, if in fact that’s what happens? If, in fact, the considered opinions — despite the embarrassment it causes them — of the U.S. government … and all the relevant intelligence services is that this isn’t a hoax, there’s too much data to suggest it’s a hoax, there’s too much radar imagery, there’s too much satellite data, whatever data they actually have, there’s too much of it, all we can say now is something is going on and there is no way it’s the Chinese or the Russians or anyone else’s technology. That should arrest our attention collectively to a degree that nothing in our lifetime has, and one worries that we’re so jaded and confused and distracted that it’ll get much less coverage than, you know, Obama’s tan suit did a bunch of years ago. Who knows how we’ll respond to it?”

“This is probably premature to even talk about this, but I’ve had someone reach out to me and has assured me that I’m going to be on a Zoom call with, you know, former heads of the CIA and Office of Naval Research and people whose bona fide are very easy to track, and they’re concerned about the messaging around all of this to the public, and dampening down panic and conspiracy theories. But the … what is being promised here is a disclosure that is frankly, either the most alarming or the most interesting thing in the world, depending on how you take it, but it’s not a representation of the facts that will give scientific skeptics any comfort, and that’s just … we’re faced with the prospect of having to apologize to the people we’ve been laughing at for the last fifty years who have been alleging that they’ve been abducted or that cattle have been anally probed, pick your punch line.”

Full article at https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/what-say-you-sam-harris-who-called-you-details-please-3cebb3d7baa1

[TelosianEmbrace]

Sam Harris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris), a famous neurologist who has much to say about the nature of consciousness, has been contacted by someone in government, possibly CIA and/or Naval Intelligence, requested help on disclosing the UFO/UAP phenomena:


I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.”

“It sounds like the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Pentagon are very likely to say to Congress at some point in the not-too-distant future that we have evidence that there is technology flying around here that seems like it can’t possibly be of human origin, all right? Now, I don’t know what I’m going to do with that kind of disclosure … [t]hat is such a powerfully strange circumstance to be in, right? What are we going to do with that, if in fact that’s what happens? If, in fact, the considered opinions — despite the embarrassment it causes them — of the U.S. government … and all the relevant intelligence services is that this isn’t a hoax, there’s too much data to suggest it’s a hoax, there’s too much radar imagery, there’s too much satellite data, whatever data they actually have, there’s too much of it, all we can say now is something is going on and there is no way it’s the Chinese or the Russians or anyone else’s technology. That should arrest our attention collectively to a degree that nothing in our lifetime has, and one worries that we’re so jaded and confused and distracted that it’ll get much less coverage than, you know, Obama’s tan suit did a bunch of years ago. Who knows how we’ll respond to it?”

“This is probably premature to even talk about this, but I’ve had someone reach out to me and has assured me that I’m going to be on a Zoom call with, you know, former heads of the CIA and Office of Naval Research and people whose bona fide are very easy to track, and they’re concerned about the messaging around all of this to the public, and dampening down panic and conspiracy theories. But the … what is being promised here is a disclosure that is frankly, either the most alarming or the most interesting thing in the world, depending on how you take it, but it’s not a representation of the facts that will give scientific skeptics any comfort, and that’s just … we’re faced with the prospect of having to apologize to the people we’ve been laughing at for the last fifty years who have been alleging that they’ve been abducted or that cattle have been anally probed, pick your punch line.”

Full article at https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/what-say-you-sam-harris-who-called-you-details-please-3cebb3d7baa1

Why didn't they contact someone else who already has credibility and standing within the UFO community? Sam Harris is not someone I would have any faith in. As someone said in the comments section of his video..

"The arch skeptic himself is waking up to it. Times are changing".

[Kryztian]

Why didn't they contact someone else who already has credibility and standing within the UFO community?

Because that would give the UFO community credibility within the main stream media viewership. It's the same reason "they" replaced "UFO" with "UAP." "They" want the world to have "their" version of what UFO is about.

[Sunny-side-up]

Why didn't they contact someone else who already has credibility and standing within the UFO community?

Because that would give the UFO community credibility within the main stream media viewership. It's the same reason "they" replaced "UFO" with "UAP." "They" want the world to have "their" version of what UFO is about.

That is spot on for sure.

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

Friends, this is a broad-based subject which absolutely warrants opinion and speculation. What I've done just now is split the thread by moving some of the posts to a new one, which I've called (for the moment!) UAP Disclosure comments and opinions (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115419-UAP-Disclosure-comments-and-opinions).

That leave this one for more critical updates, some of which — we hope! — might be coming pretty soon. On this thread we'll include important commentary, video and articles on the entire thing from such as Steven Greer, Grant Cameron, John Greenewald, Daniel Sheehan, Rich Dolan, Daniel Liszt, Luis Elizondo, Chris Mellon, et al. (And also from the mainstream media, of course.)

We all might have much to say about all this, for very good reason. But if anything feels that it might be too speculative or not directly related, please do add your contributions to the new thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115419-UAP-Disclosure-comments-and-opinions) instead.

Important notes:


No-one at all is out of order here. :flower: We're just trying to be good librarians and housekeepers, with the thread becoming pretty long and complicated — and we've not even seen the promised formal report yet, OR Steven Greer's video which may be both interesting and relevant.



Moving posts was pretty difficult. Zero offense is intended to anyone, and I may have well made a few misjudgments. As explained above, the intention is to preserve this original thread (now renamed UAP is heating up to some kind of 'disclosure' (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114409-UAP-is-heating-up-to-some-kind-of-disclosure#post1435626)) for updates and comments directly related to the imminent report and its implications.



I kept the term 'UAP' in both thread titles (much as I totally dislike it!) because it mirrors the topic as is addressed in the forthcoming report and in all the mainstream media.

:focus:

[Kryztian]

Friends, this is a broad-based subject which absolutely warrants opinion and speculation. What I've done just now is split the thread by moving some of the posts to a new one,


Thank you Bill. I felt we were really having very different conversations going on there, and this should make it easier to stay focused.



I kept the term 'UAP' in both thread titles (much as I totally dislike it!) because it mirrors the topic as is addressed in the forthcoming report and in all the mainstream media.


I also cringe at "UAP", but I think it should focus us on the topic here. I know the term has been around for a while, but I think it's use became popular because of this remark on late night TV:


You know, there’s a new name ... It’s unexplained aerial phenomenon ... U.A.P., That’s the latest nomenclature.”

That would be Hillary Clinton on the Jimmy Kimmel show in 2016. If find the "latest nomenclature" remark to be particularly revealing words. "Nomenclature" implies that there are people studying the phenomena and exchanging ideas and have come up with some agreed upon terminology. Whose "nomenclature" was suddenly using "UAP" over "UFO"? It wasn't being used at MUFON conferences or Contact in the Desert or GAIA TV programs or by Ufologists on Youtube?

This is Hillary Clinton basically saying that there are insiders studying the phenomena, on taxpayer dollars, but not letting the taxpayers know about it. And she's also boasting that she's part of that elite secretive group. (This was during her '16 Presdential run. She didn't get the UFO vote.) :ufo:

And that to me is what the thread is about - those elite secretive insiders that are trying to both withhold and divulge knowledge of UFOs/UAPs and the fact that they are aware of it. Not an easy thing to do, even with all the immense political power and media influence these people have. UAP is heating up and could burst into flames and it will be interesting to see who gets burned and how the flames are put out. :flame: :flame: :flame:

[Kryztian]

The UFO (no use of "UAP" here) issue now heats up on TMZ, a site that focusing on news stories with much sensationalism, especially stories about Hollywood celebrities. Tennessee Congressman talks to a TMZ interviewer, and also mentions JFK assassination records as other disclosure we should be looking for.

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[aoibhghaire]

Thanks Bill for sorting out this long thread. I could see it was getting off topic in recent times.
It was difficult to focus on issues with many other digressing subjects that weren't related to the topic.
Having the new thread fits a lot for those valuable discussions.

The timing is important now as we are very close to the release of the 'REPORT' and the aftermath.
As Chris mentioned "UAP is heating up and could burst into flames"
So the thread may extend further beyond the culmination point that's coming up in a few days.
Its going to be a fascinating period of whatever comes out.

aoibhghaire

[Journeyman]

Why didn't they contact someone else who already has credibility and standing within the UFO community?

Because that would give the UFO community credibility within the main stream media viewership. It's the same reason "they" replaced "UFO" with "UAP." "They" want the world to have "their" version of what UFO is about.

Alternatively, the UFO community are already far enough down the road that they're not too worried about their response. Sam Harris's audience is slightly different. He's written extensively on atheism, but also the nature of consciousness and he's long been an advocate of meditation. Couple that with a podcast which has featured many heavy hitters from science and philosophy and he likely has the ear of many influential and intelligent but in many ways conservative listeners.

If I was trying to manage the impact of a story like UAP, then this would be a very significant crowd to reach and Sam Harris would be precisely the kind of person, amongst others, that I'd be reaching out to in an effort to prepare the ground in whatever way was possible.

[Kryztian]

Looks like the threat narrative is indeed heating up, at least on Capitol Hill. The last big threat narrative we received was COVID-19. How much faith did that inspire in people that government was going to protect us???

‘Something’s going on’: UFOs threaten national security, US politicians warn
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/17/ufos-us-report-national-security-concerns
Some members of Congress were given advanced details about Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June
Adam Gabbatt Thu 17 Jun 2021 11.27 EDT

A group of senior American politicians have warned that UFOs pose “national security concerns” after getting a confidential briefing on a highly anticipated report on unidentified aerial phenomena that is set to be released later this month.

Some members of Congress were given advanced details about the contents of the Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June, and several said they are deeply worried about the findings.

The woman who forced the US government to take UFOs seriously
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“Clearly, something’s going on that we can’t handle,” Tim Burchett, a Republican congressman from Tennessee, told TMZ.

In recent years a series of government videos showing unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAPs – the ufology community’s preferred term – have been released, including footage from a navy F-18 fighter jet which showed an oblong object flying through the sky near San Diego in 2004.

This April photos and videos taken by navy personnel were leaked online, showing triangular-shaped objects buzzing in the sky, and in May leaked military footage showed an oval flying object near a navy ship in San Diego – an apparent UAP hotspot.

“We take the issue of unexplained aerial phenomena seriously to the extent that we’re dealing with the safety and security of US military personnel or the national security interests of the United States, so we want to know what we’re dealing with,” Sean Patrick Maloney, a Democratic congressman from New York, told the New York Post.

“I think it’s important to understand that there are legitimate questions involving the safety and security of our personnel, and in our operations and in our sensitive activities, and we all know that there’s [a] proliferation of technologies out there,” he continued. “We need to understand the space a little bit better.”

Last week Luis Elizondo, the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, told the Washington Post that UAPs posed a serious threat.

“In this country we’ve had incidents where these UAPs have interfered and actually brought offline our nuclear capabilities,” he said.

“We also have data suggesting that in other countries these things have interfered with their nuclear technology and actually turned them on, put them online.”

One theory is that UAPs could be advanced Chinese or Russian aircraft, but Burchett dismissed that in his TMZ interview.

“I think that’s ridiculous. If the Russians had UFO technology, they would own us right now,” he said. “It has to be something that’s, that’s out of our galaxy, it just has to be, if it is in fact is real.”

Elizondo also dismissed those suggestions.

“We are quite convinced that we’re dealing with a technology that is multigenerational, several generations ahead of what we consider next generation technology, so what we would consider beyond next generation technology,” Elizondo told the Post. “Something that could be anywhere between 50 to 1,000 years ahead of us.”

The flurry of recent videos and the imminent release of the report has ignited an excitement around unidentified flying craft that has not been seen for decades. Barack Obama even weighed in, telling CBS recently that “there’s footage and records of objects in the skies, that we don’t know exactly what they are”.

Val Demings, a Democratic congresswoman from Florida, was also present at the UAP briefing.

“You know it’s always about our safety and security. Our national security is No 1, and so that’s really the area where we really focused on this morning,” Demings said.

The unclassified version of the UAP report released to the public will contain a classified index, which could prevent the most sensitive information from being released.

Adam Schiff, the Democratic chair of the House intelligence committee, described this week’s meeting as “an interesting briefing”.

“I did learn things that were certainly new to me,” Schiff told reporters. “But I think I’m going to leave it at that.”

[ExomatrixTV]

Declassified FBI Documents With Intel Of Alien Bodies & Spacecraft! NY Times Gets Sneak Peak Of Report:

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Loka (Sanskrit: लोक) is a concept in Indian religions, that means plane or realm of existence.

In the Puranas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puranas) and in the Atharvaveda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atharvaveda), there are 14 worlds, seven higher ones (Vyahrtis) and seven lower ones (Pātālas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patala)), viz. bhu, bhuvas, svar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svarga), mahas, janas, tapas, and satya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyaloka) above and atala, vitala, sutala, rasātala, talātala, mahātala, pātāla (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patala) and naraka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Hinduism)) below.

[Bill Ryan]

Declassified FBI Documents With Intel Of Alien Bodies & Spacecraft! NY Times Gets Sneak Peak Of Report:

BrWly_e6yFAIn case it's helpful to researchers following this, Lisa got the website name wrong. It's https://vault.fbi.gov.

Here's the UFO Part 1 that she's referencing. (And then scroll right down to page 21, but the entire archive is pretty fascinating :thumbsup: )


https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%201%20of%2016/view

[Bill Ryan]

In fact, here are All 16 Parts as PDFs in a single 146 Mb WeTransfer file, there to download for 7 days. I have to say, some of the documents there (a lot of stuff!) are fascinating. (I wonder how long this has been public?)


https://we.tl/t-eEPjdZgOba

[Adi]

Declassified FBI Documents With Intel Of Alien Bodies & Spacecraft! NY Times Gets Sneak Peak Of Report:

BrWly_e6yFAIn case it's helpful to researchers following this, Lisa got the website name wrong. It's https://vault.fbi.gov.

Here's the UFO Part 1 that she's referencing. (And then scroll right down to page 21, but the entire archive is pretty fascinating :thumbsup: )


https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%201%20of%2016/view


These documents really are very intriguing; I'm genuinely taken aback at some of the quite incredible information contained therein and which is being made public. I'm not sure many appreciate what's actually contained therein, prime facie, the documents appear genuine, I don't know if the FBI are acknowledging the authenticity of the documents and/or the truth of the facts contained therein (although there must be some credence to their value one would imagine), but there genuinely is enough there for serious examination and consideration.

[ExomatrixTV]

The Official UAP Narrative Crumbling as New Science and Technology Begins to Emerge!:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Eric Weinstein & Michael Shermer: An honest dialogue about UFOs:

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[Kryztian]

If you think the age of debunking and denial on UFOs ended with Donald Menzel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Howard_Menzel#Menzel_and_UFOs) or Philip Klass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Klass), Scientific American is putting forth it's new panel of "experts" who "weigh in" on the subject.

Experts Weigh In on Pentagon UFO Report
The vast majority of examined incidents were not caused by U.S. advanced technology programs, the forthcoming report concludes. So what’s going on?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-weigh-in-on-pentagon-ufo-report/

The article is pretty low on actual science and pretty high on a sociological depiction of the world made up a frenzied "believers" and a media eager to feed their madness, contrasted by a few "sober" and "unbiased" experts who have thoroughly debunked UFO claims from their ivory towers.


So, I have found more articles on Scientific American and they all are not completely horrible, in fact a few are quite good.


Maybe the Aliens Really Are Here - But if so, it’s probably in the form of robotic probes—something both UFO enthusiasts and SETI scientists should be able to agree on
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/maybe-the-aliens-really-are-here/


This one is kind of thought provoking, and I agree, that many of the UFO objects were are seeing could be driven by artificial intelligence. The author assumes that the UFOs must come from other start systems within our three dimensions of space and are limited by speed of light for their travel.


A Possible Link between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - If some UAP turn out to be extraterrestrial technology, they could be dropping sensors for a subsequent craft to tune into. What if ‘Oumuamua is such a craft?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-possible-link-between-oumuamua-and-unidentified-aerial-phenomena/

By Avi Loeb, the Harvard Scientist who famously stated the Oumuamua may be alien technology.

I noticed that Loeb has several articles on the site. I particularly like the one where he compares many "scientists" to the Roman Catholic oligarchs who denounced Galileo:


When Scientific Orthodoxy Resembles Religious Dogma - Those who refuse to consider an unconventional idea in science are disturbingly similar to those who refused to look through Galileo’s telescope
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-scientific-orthodoxy-resembles-religious-dogma/

[aoibhghaire]

U.S. government prepares to issue landmark report on UFOs

Although this press release by Reuters is something we all know ipso facto - the fact that REUTERS is now reporting on this is another indication that mainstream media and ON THE WIRE agencies are now invested in reporting the UAP issue.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-government-prepares-issue-landmark-report-ufos-2021-06-24/?fbclid=IwAR2oSLA6OQ31a7yuJPVE0fBdrDI0FsOJm5tYiAfa7lrFM5ZoX1HhpjSYpkY

[Did You See Them]

Apologies for the low sound quality on this clip from Sky news, but it thought I'd post anyway as an example of how UK media (Well, Sky news) is reporting todays (?) upcoming report from a couple of days ago. The same segment was run a an hour later at peak breakfast time with a different news caster ( Steven Dickson ) who added at the end that he was a believer. So just for the record..

noyH01--U0A

[Kryztian]

Today, June 25th, is the 180th day since Donald Trump signed a COVID relief bill that mandated that Navy Defense Intelligence Agency deliver a report to Congress on UFO's.

Grant Cameron has put out a podcast for the occasion:

June 25th - UFO Disclosure or Cover-up Day? (https://anchor.fm/grant-cameron5/episodes/June-25th---UFO-Disclosure-or-Cover-up-Day-e13d39c)
https://anchor.fm/grant-cameron5/episodes/June-25th---UFO-Disclosure-or-Cover-up-Day-e13d39c

Here are a few bullet points on the interview:


Today, June 25th is a day of coverup, not day of disclosure


This investigation will go on for a while


There will be a 74 page report, but only 4 pages will be public


The attitude among many officials is: "We don't have to make anything public if we don't want to."


The current disclosure effort traces back to a 2015 phone call from John Podesta to Tom Delonge - this was the consequence that several high level. Hillary Clinton stated on the record that she had an arrangement with John Podesta that she would disclose whatever she could if she was elected in 2016.


They were planning to take the issue on "60 Minutes" in 2016 where "the big man" could appear. That would be Jim Semivan, not Elizondo and Mellon.


2017 Leslie Kean was summoned to Washington D.C. in 2017. meets Semivan, Mellon, Elizondo. Kean "Things were laid out for us" - basically the story she will write is spoon-fed to her.


2020 Dec congress request UFO report. Also at this time, Elizondo and Mellon leave TTSA - because getting the attention of Congress is their main focus.


This "disclosure initiative" is not by people in the government, but by people who used to be in the government.


Main goal of disclosure is to get the attention of Congress. The UFO report request in Dec 2020 COVID bill was the work of Congress, not the White House.


The Defense Dept. does not want disclosure. It wants to disclose as little as possible. That is why they are destroying Elizondo's records and emails and pull his security clearance. They will try to avoid saying the words "aliens" but may be forced to say UFOs are real and films are real.


Situation works to UFO communities benefit because Danny Sheehan is now within the walls of the Pentagon. Sheehan "knows how the game is played" and knows how to force issues and will take this as far as he can. He has been waiting for this moment for decades.


In 1990's the Inspector General of Defense Department investigate Ron Pandolfi (this per Dan Smith, Pandolfi's rather insane assistant) as to why Pandolfi was investigating UFO phenomena. CIA should be foreign intelligence and should not be talking to US civillians about UFOs. Pandolfi was cleared. Pandolfi may now be part of IG investigation into UFOs.


Much more speculation by Grant Cameron, hard to bullet point. Highly recommended interview :thumbsup:.

[Kryztian]

Some Tweets by Lue Elizondo. It looks like he is highly invested in how everyone in the public perceives him.

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[aoibhghaire]

UAPTF Report preliminary release.

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena

aoibhghaire

https://dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

https://dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

[Kryztian]

Even the NY Times is skeptical :bigsmile: about UFO disclosure:

I Created ‘The X-Files.’ Here’s Why I’m Skeptical of the New U.F.O. Report.
June 25, 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/chris-carter-aliens-ufo-xfiles.html
By Chris Carter
Mr. Carter is a screenwriter and director who created the TV series “The X-Files.”


When we were dressing the original set for Agent Mulder’s office on “The X-Files,” I came up with the poster with a U.F.O. on it that reads “I Want To Believe.” And I think that’s where most people come down on the whole extraterrestrial business. Not quite there yet, but waiting for a sign. The universe is just too vast for us to be alone in it. Carl Jung wanted to believe, as did Carl Sagan. Both wrote books on the subject. Now videos from Navy aircraft tracking unidentified aerial phenomena (as they’ve been relabeled) suggest that maybe we have seen them. Based partly on the videos, a much-anticipated government study on the topic is expected to land in Congress on Friday. Answers are promised. But answers are always promised.

I have never seen a U.F.O. or an alien, as much as I’d like to. But as a result of “The X-Files” I’ve met many people who claim they have. I have seen grainy videos of gray aliens on someone’s back patio. I know an award-winning movie director who told me straight-faced he’d seen a U.F.O. when he was in college. Annie Jacobsen, the author of the terrific book “Area 51,” introduced me to a man who worked at the top secret facility for many years who saw strange craft coming and going on the air base. For a decade I became a magnet for this stuff.

The plot of “The X-Files” was built on a conspiracy theory: The government is lying to you about the existence of U.F.O.s and extraterrestrials. Do I believe the government lies to us? Absolutely. I’m a child of Watergate. Do I believe in conspiracies? Certainly. I believe, for example, that someone is targeting C.I.A. agents and White House officials with microwave radiation, the so-called Havana syndrome, and your government denied it.

Will the new report, or any government report, give us clear answers? I’m as skeptical now as I’ve ever been.

In 1996 I was invited to the clinic of the Harvard psychiatrist John Mack to witness the regression hypnosis of a self-professed alien abductee. I first met Dr. Mack, who studied and ultimately believed in alien abduction, when he came to Fox Studios to discuss his work. I had used a Roper survey he was involved in (a poll of 6000 Americans on their belief in the existence of extraterrestrials) to sell “The X-Files” as a TV show in 1992, and later read his book, “Abduction.” So I knew something about what I was going to see. I went in doubtful, unprepared for the drama of a woman sitting next to me in tears and in terror over the encounter with aliens that she described, on a beach in Mexico. The experience turned out to be powerful and not a little unsettling.

Years later I attended a conference in San Mateo, Calif., which focused on a purported underground government program. Attendees believed that this program used, among other things, reverse-engineered technology from captured U.F.O.s to weaponize space. By outward appearances, these were respectable and accomplished professionals, including former government officials and lawyers. Some of them also believe that the military has hidden bases on the dark side of the moon and meet secretly there with reptilian aliens.

This radical element has bedeviled high-minded “ufologists” for decades and colored the public’s perceptions of the phenomena. Many people are afraid to admit they believe for the real fear of being laughed at. (Fear itself may be the reason some of us refuse to believe that aliens exist at all.)

We are living in times of uncertainty, where truth may be unknowable. I don’t have to tell you this has bred a universe of rampant conspiracy theories. From the Covid conspiracy documentary “Plandemic” to the idea that we’re living in a Black Hole created by the CERN’s Large Hadron Collider when we discovered the Higgs boson. Darin Morgan, a writer on “The X-Files,” calls this the “Post Conspiracy Era.” PoCo — the industrialization of conspiracy theories. Rigorous science and scientists are castigated and vilified. Rigorous journalism is decried as fake news.

“The Truth Is Out There,” “Trust No One,” “Deny Everything” went the provocative catchphrases on “The X-Files,” but that was in the ’90s, when we had a relatively shared reality. The slogans are now a fact of life.

In addition to the Navy videos, the reason U.F.O.s are getting their big moment is due to a bombshell 2017 article in this paper. The piece exposed a secret program inside the Department of Defense searching for the truth about U.F.O.s. The combined evidence has engendered the government’s imminent report.

But for me, the report on U.F.O.s is already D.O.A. Advance word is that the report, ordered up by a bipartisan group of legislators during the Trump administration, will reveal nothing conclusive about U.F.O.s or their extraterrestrial origins. And the portions that remain classified will only fuel more conspiracy theories.

This is X-Files territory if there ever was any. But it’s also cause for some important questions.

How did the Defense Department keep a budgeted project — sponsored principally by Senator Harry Reid in 2007 — secret for 10 years? Why, when Mr. Reid sought even higher security — and asked to see physical evidence of U.F.O.s — was he denied? And why only a $22 million budget when looking for answers about sentient life visiting us from worlds far away? (That’s roughly the cost of three episodes of the Netflix series “Stranger Things.”)

Ardent disbelievers have explained the latest Navy videos as tricks of the eye — even though the fighter pilots describe the U.A.P. in great detail as having no flight surfaces, no exhaust plumes, with the ability to perform impossible maneuvers at hypersonic speeds. This opposition, scientific and not, dates back to the 1940s, when pilot Kenneth Arnold saw nine “flying disks” over Mount Rainier.

But the prosecution raises a good question: Where is the Deep Throat of the U.F.O. world? Why no credible deathbed confessions? As Nobelist Enrico Fermi’s famous paradox asked, if aliens are out there, why haven’t we seen them? Could the government actually be telling the truth? That it really doesn’t know what to make of the phenomena? Or is the truth above top secret?

Curiously, Barack Obama, who once joked sarcastically about U.F.O.s on late night TV, is now admitting there are objects in the sky that can’t be explained. Even Donald Trump, under whose aegis the latest study was cooked up, admits there may be something to it.

I think in all likelihood this report will come and go, and with it the mainstream chatter around U.F.O.s, until definitive proof is exposed. A planet that can’t come together on climate change or a global pandemic might not pay much attention even if wreckage or an alien corpse is discovered. The culture wars alone might eclipse it, so rabidly are we in their grips.

But what if we had direct contact? With actual alien beings from an exoplanet who’ve traveled light years to seek us out? Who have answers to every question we’ve ever asked?

The result would unquestionably change the course of mankind. But would it change us?

I want to believe.

[pabranno]

Incredible post, Kryztian.....

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In the best sense of incredible I mean😁

[Kryztian]

UAPTF Report preliminary release.

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena



For those of you who regard the United States Government as a criminal enterprise that extracts wealth and blood from it's citizenry while crushing their souls, this report gives you absolutely no reason to change your mind.

According to this report, the "UAP" events can be placed in one of five categories:


Airborne Clutter: These objects include birds, balloons, recreational unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), or airborne debris like plastic bags that muddle a scene and affect an operator’s ability to identify true targets, such as enemy aircraft.

Natural Atmospheric Phenomena: Natural atmospheric phenomena includes ice crystals, moisture, and thermal fluctuations that may register on some infrared and radar systems.

USG or Industry Developmental Programs: Some UAP observations could be attributable to developments and classified programs by U.S. entities. We were unable to confirm, however, that these systems accounted for any of the UAP reports we collected.

Foreign Adversary Systems: Some UAP may be technologies deployed by China, Russia, another nation, or a non-governmental entity.

Other: Although most of the UAP described in our dataset probably remain unidentified due to limited data or challenges to collection processing or analysis, we may require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them. We would group such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed us to better understand them. The UAPTF intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management.

[Kryztian]

STATEMENT OF SENATE INTEL CHAIR
MARK R. WARNER

~ On UAP report ~

WASHINGTON – U.S. Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-VA), Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, released the following statement upon the release of a congressionally-mandated declassified report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP):

“I was first briefed on these unidentified aerial phenomena nearly three years ago. Since then, the frequency of these incidents only appears to be increasing. The United States must be able to understand and mitigate threats to our pilots, whether they’re from drones or weather balloons or adversary intelligence capabilities. Today’s rather inconclusive report only marks the beginning of efforts to understand and illuminate what is causing these risks to aviation in many areas around the country and the world.”


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SEN. MARCO RUBIO STATEMENT ON UAP REPORT

Miami, FL — Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-FL) released a statement on the unclassified report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) issued by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI).

“For years, the men and women we trust to defend our country reported encounters with unidentified aircraft that had superior capabilities, and for years their concerns were often ignored and ridiculed,” Rubio said. “This report is an important first step in cataloging these incidents, but it is just a first step. The Defense Department and Intelligence Community have a lot of work to do before we can actually understand whether these aerial threats present a serious national security concern.”

In 2020, Rubio, as Acting Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, included report language in the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021 directing ODNI to submit a report to congressional intelligence and armed services committees on unidentified aerial phenomena.

Office of Sen. Marco Rubio


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My only editorial comment: :facepalm:

[ExomatrixTV]

If UAPs (UFOs & USOs) are seen so so many times by multiple US-Navy personnel why do they not share 4096 × 2160p full color 4K UAP video footage's?


Even IPhones & Android Smart Phones can record 4K.

Of all people in the Navy has no one a 4K camera (or higher?) ... or are they explicit forbidden to film them? ... Can these orders be reviewed? ... or is that also classified? ... Can it be declassified through FOIA-request (https://www.foia.gov/)? ... If not, than the whole UAP report 2021 is just a whitewash!

cheers,
John

[Satori]

UAPTF Report preliminary release.

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena

aoibhghaire

https://dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

https://dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

What a colossal waste. Just as expected.

If this preliminary assessment, clearly not a “report”, is intended to disclose anything, I assign them an F. If it is intended to continue the cover up, I assign them a B.

[Kryztian]

Re-reading the report. Here is something I find quite curious:



https://i.imgur.com/EUnZUs9.jpg



What do they mean by "a non governmental entity" ??? A entity that could produce technological vehicles that exceed what the U.S. or China or Russia could produce? Is there a group of people from companies like Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, et. al. that have developed "break-away" civilization with it's own law, government, property, etc. that are behind this? Did Martin Borman and other Nazi's escape to Antarctica and build secret bases there to develop, manufacture and implement the technology that is now giving us the "UAP" phenomena? Are these the "Four Horseman" or four power groups that William Pawlec talked about about 20 years ago that control the development from "retrieved" materials"?

Disclosure of a "non governmental entity" could be as big a deal as disclosure of an alien presence.






William Pawelec Interview

From Dr. Steven Greer's Sirius Disclosure



Mr. William Pawelec was a U.S. Air Force computer operations and programming specialist with numerous credentials in security technologies and access control systems. He gave this interview with Dr. Greer prior to the 2001 National Press Club Disclosure event and asked that it not be released until after his death. We recently found out that Mr. William Pawelec passed away on May 22, 2007 and we received permission to release it in December 2010.

Published on Nov 23, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OiZRr9V7Z4&feature=em-uploademail

[Chester]

The 9 page "report" alluded to above is that which was "unclassified." The report that the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence received was just under 80 pages and was (according to some folks I trust) about as impactful as the 9 page unclassified summary. One of my intelligence community sources told me the "The IC was barely consulted and had little input in the report."

Did anyone actually expect more?

[Rawhide68]

:happy dog:Right to put 2 and 2 together, they save "alien invasion" until covid scare go away