Do you eat meat? Could you, Would you...?

[bones]

I have seen first hand how they mistreat pigs, cows and chickens, if you are a meat lover like me, maybe, just maybe, its time to reduce, not eliminate, but reduce consumption as I am doing. We speak loudly when we all join in an economic protest which reduce profits for those making a killing (pun intended) from our dollars.

I am offline more often, replies maybe few and far between..

[Mecklenburger]

At age 28 in the year 1972 as a regular carnivore I read a book which encouraged the reader to try going without any kind of flesh except fish for one month. I felt much lighter physically after doing that and have never touched any kind of meat or poultry since nor ever felt the need for it. I have one fish dish per week. Since then the only medical condition in nearly fifty years which I have suffered is bronchial asthma probably brought on by smoking sixty a day which I gave up the same year as the meat.

As regards killing fish for food there has to be a line drawn somewhere under the food chain. Jesus associated with fisher families without attempting to convince them to give up the profession and I use that as my justification whenever challenged.

[ExomatrixTV]

Highly Spiritual Dolphins (https://us.whales.org/whales-dolphins/what-do-dolphins-eat/) (with brains ±15% bigger than ours) love to eat herrings (https://a-z-animals.com/animals/herring/#single-animal-text) and herrings want to live too ;)



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Bottlenose dolphins (Tursiops truncatus) have an absolute brain mass of 1,500–1,700 grams. This is slightly greater than that of humans (1,300–1,400 grams) and about four times that of chimpanzees (400 grams).

Dolphins are carnivores (https://sciencing.com/dolphins-main-source-food-6932136.html) and eat a variety of small fish, squid and shrimp. The large mammals sometimes hunt in groups but also feed alone. Researchers have found that dolphins, like humans, can acquire tastes for different things. Some dolphins prefer to eat mackerel or herring while others favor squid and they all want to live too!

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Some even claim Dolphins came from Sirius B (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius) (having a Water Planet (https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/resources/1039/water-world/) orbiting there) to Earth... Not sure if that is true but if it IS true I would not be surprised!

cheers,
John

[EFO]

My average meat portion per day is about 150 gr. (4.5 kg/month)and 100% home processed in natural way and without any chemical preservatives:boiled, (deep) fried,stewed,all kind of sausages,salami,hams and so on and being home processed and also transmuted because contains water,so nothing harmless.From time to time when my organism "feel" that I have enough proteins,I eat only vegetables and fruits.No matter of is meat or vegetables,both are meant to be ingested for,at least,a good body function.No excess,no fasting,only what we need.

[Open Minded Dude]

No meat for years, almost ten or so. Been also a vegan last year for three months but changed to vegetarian again for practical circumstances.

I have my three reasons: animal love, health and spiritual/vibrational (or whatever).

I do not care if s.o. eats meat though. Just (only if they asked me or the topic would be touched) would advise them to do it sparingly (especially the red meat) for health reasons.

But that's all. Each to their own. 'Jedem Tierchen sein Pläsierchen'. I don't label myself but I am kind of 'libertarian' at heart with things like these.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I eat meat. But I grow my own. I eat venison and on a ranch like this if I do not take the weak ones they will die, usually a slow painful death. I garden and eat a tremendous amount of vegetables as well.

The other day I was cutting Cirsium out of the yard. I use them for herbal remedies but this year they are thick. I like to walk in my bear feet and they are painful to walk on. As I was cutting....I swear I could hear them screaming. I stopped.

[wondering]

Karen, Wow! First of all that you were open to hearing the screams, and secondly that you so trust your own knowing that you acted on it...I'm not there yet. But hope to be. Diane

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Karen, Wow! First of all that you were open to hearing the screams, and secondly that you so trust your own knowing that you acted on it...I'm not there yet. But hope to be. Diane

It is really weird. It happened during the freeze. I started hearing the trees as they broke, now I seem to hear all sorts of things. That in itself is very odd because I am partially deaf.

[amor]

For so many years that I can't remember how many, I have not touched red meat. I eat pre-cooked chicken and fish. As I pass by the meat section of the supermarket, I visualize what is done to these poor animals and I am revolted. Recently I have read posts about similar slaughter being done to humans under the Antarctic. God help us all neither to be their victim or descend to such depravity. Instead of studying wars of every stripe, we should be studying healthy nutrition because I believe we have been lied to from the beginning about everything.

[thepainterdoug]

we all eat living things be it sprouts, seeds, nuts, leaves, plants, veggies, eggs, fish, chicken, meat and so on.

is there a reward for eating less evolved things? I dont know. but according to NDE testimony, No

you are still going where your going when you cross over.

[palehorse]

There is popular saying: if you are hungry and the only option available is meat, being a vegetarian would you eat or starve to death?

Yes I do eat meat but not every single day, sometimes I go for a month or two without any meat, but when I eat, it is mostly fish and the smoked stuffs love that!

I killed a wild pig (boar) once with a knife, when me and my friend got lost in an island in Azores archipelago about two decades ago, and we barbecued the pig. I am not proud of killing animal, but it was an emergency, we were lost and have a long walk to do, we needed lots of energy to save ourselves, that time I didn't have much knowledge of edible plants, the poor pig was the only safe option.

[Mashika]

I do, only chicken and only sometimes, but yeah

When i've been on the mountains and i have run out of food and the way back is too long to get something (sometimes you can't go back in time, because of unexpected weather) i had to hunt, meaning i had to kill something to eat. At some point in life, you have to make a choice :/

But if possible, i avoid it as much as i can, i don't like it at all, and i can't stand the idea of just killing for sport or eating a lot of meat just because it tastes nice and all that stuff

Reminds me of that song by Kurt Cobain

"It's ok to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings"

lol

[Mashika]

I eat meat. But I grow my own. I eat venison and on a ranch like this if I do not take the weak ones they will die, usually a slow painful death. I garden and eat a tremendous amount of vegetables as well.

The other day I was cutting Cirsium out of the yard. I use them for herbal remedies but this year they are thick. I like to walk in my bear feet and they are painful to walk on. As I was cutting....I swear I could hear them screaming. I stopped.

I've always felt like you have this great connection to nature, from past conversations from you :)

Feels like most likely you not listening in full detail to the human world, has enabled you to listen to nature itself? In a more direct way than most of us people would be aware of

Like when you look at cats in the eye, and sometimes they look deeply back at you and there's something weird going on that you can feel, horses and cows do that sometimes too, right?

[Michael Moewes]

I'm a Budhhist. therfore and out of compassion, I would never eat a living being. Another point is what happens to your energy and aura. when you eat an animal the negative energy of how they died and the fact that they dind't want to die, puts your aura in to a deep dark red and black energy. this negative energy is destroying your etheral body and not to mention - due to this negative karma, you will be reborn in the hell realms. not my words but the teachings of Siddharta Gautama.

[Mashika]

I'm a Budhhist. therfore and out of compassion, I would never eat a living being. Another point is what happens to your energy and aura. when you eat an animal the negative energy of how they died and the fact that they dind't want to die, puts your aura in to a deep dark red and black energy. this negative energy is destroying your etheral body and not to mention - due to this negative karma, you will be reborn in the hell realms. not my words but the teachings of Siddharta Gautama.

That's a bit not 'natural' in itself, because animals will gladly eat you without any regards for "energy" either positive or negative. And animals do have feelings, and hurt inside and all those things, they just know how to deal with the nature itself and understand in a basic way, how life works, they are prepared to fight, but they are also aware of death and deal with it way better than most humans, who invent rules to prevent it or attempt to escape it in any possible way even when they know it's unavoidable

Since you are a Buddhist, sure you know about the practice of "Transmission of Spirit" or "Sky Burial"?

A big part of the aspect of being alive, is respecting other living beings, but most importantly, respecting nature and its rules. And one of the main rules of nature is that you must not allow waste, because that waste is something taken away from some other living being. So if you have to eat, you eat, because eventually, you will be food for someone else as well :)

Before you can reach Nirvana, you have to accept the nature of this world, as it is, not as you would like it to be. This also means you have to accept that at some point, you will have to eat some other living being, and plants are also living beings by the way. Or you can eat air and water only, but then you would waste your energy so that it doesn't give back to nature as much as nature gave to you... :)

[Wind]

I do eat fish, but do have some slight moral conflict about that too. Perhaps one day I migh give up that too.

Meat grounds the human body and spirit to this lower realm. It can be a good or bad thing depending how you view and use it.

[Brigantia]

One thing that I always remember from a seminar that I once attended was a speaker who said that not everyone can assimilate a vegetarian diet. This speaker also said that it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you honour your food source. I also knew someone who had an allergy to meat.

Honouring your food source always stuck with me, as the way that animals are slaughtered in this country is a mechanised process with no compassion and much cruelty. I became vegetarian in about 1986 when my walk into work passed a slaughterhouse. I would see the animals being beaten in by young thugs in bloodied overalls, the animals sensed that something very bad was around the corner and tried to turn back. It sickened me and I could no longer be a part of it.

I asked my husband, "would it bother you if you never ate meat again?" and was stunned to receive the answer "no" immediately - this is a Scotsman brought up on a heavy meat diet! For my part, I think that I was born with a vegetarian gene or something, I ate meat as everyone did in the 70s but I had to smother it with sauces as that was the only way I could tolerate it and I would only eat the vegetables at Sunday dinner. So, from the summer of 1986 we were vegetarian and have been ever since; many people thought we were totally weird back then. Eating out, there were the ubiquitous choices of veggie lasagne or veggie chilli and nothing else, but we found some fantastic veggie restaurants and back then there were some great independent wholefood stores.

So, I was born with an inclination to a vegetarian diet and have had a long fascination with India - past life, maybe?

One other thought is veganism, to which I have much respect but that is not my choice as I love cheese and I don't think that I could give it up. Also, everything you eat has to die for your consumption, even the veggies... I ponder on that especially with my home grown produce, that I nurture right through the summer. I always feel a tinge of sadness when I harvest them and I thank them.

[Agape]

I’ve turned myself ethical vegetarian when I was in my teenage , i were deep philosopher back then asking endless questions to the intelligence of this Universe, never satisfied with answers till I’ve met some of my yogi teachers few years later in India.
The ashrams and schools I’ve studied with in India were purely vegetarian and based in sattvic diet , containing no meat, fish, eggs, even garlic and onion.
I recall those days very fondly because the food was pure and beautiful in taste and it never made you sick.

So I stayed with this type of diet for many years to go with that caveat I eat “tapas” rather than meal portions, munching all day fits me just well ( ask langurs) but I rarely get hungry, with or without food.

I’ve occasionally munched on fish or chicken too but as long running ( instead standing ) vegetarian, I prefer not to consume alien life forms.

With fruits and vegetables too I tend to pick those that suit the day the best.


There is no worse situation than eating without hunger and without love.


Any food given or taken out of love is free of guilt. Also, every being no matter their feeding habits have their right to their food.

I only believe in eating in peace, in privacy, with holy attitude 🙏


During the recent epidemics I’ve seen many people had to pause and refeed themselves in fact, as a result of previous busy times and stress.


I don’t want to believe in eating anything than love is important



🙃💫

[Michael Moewes]

I'm a Budhhist. therfore and out of compassion, I would never eat a living being. Another point is what happens to your energy and aura. when you eat an animal the negative energy of how they died and the fact that they dind't want to die, puts your aura in to a deep dark red and black energy. this negative energy is destroying your etheral body and not to mention - due to this negative karma, you will be reborn in the hell realms. not my words but the teachings of Siddharta Gautama.

That's a bit not 'natural' in itself, because animals will gladly eat you without any regards for "energy" either positive or negative. And animals do have feelings, and hurt inside and all those things, they just know how to deal with the nature itself and understand in a basic way, how life works, they are prepared to fight, but they are also aware of death and deal with it way better than most humans, who invent rules to prevent it or attempt to escape it in any possible way even when they know it's unavoidable

The difference between Humans and animals is the concious mind which gives you the possibility to choose. due to this comment I will refer to you as an animal.

Since you are a Buddhist, sure you know about the practice of "Transmission of Spirit" or "Sky Burial"?

Sky burial has nothing to do with tantric Buddhissm

A big part of the aspect of being alive, is respecting other living beings, but most importantly, respecting nature and its rules. And one of the main rules of nature is that you must not allow waste, because that waste is something taken away from some other living being. So if you have to eat, you eat, because eventually, you will be food for someone else as well :)

That's where I see that you're an animal with the same instincts. i will rather die than harming another seinten being. But therefore you need to have conciousness.

Before you can reach Nirvana, you have to accept the nature of this world, as it is, not as you would like it to be. This also means you have to accept that at some point, you will have to eat some other living being, and plants are also living beings by the way. Or you can eat air and water only, but then you would waste your energy so that it doesn't give back to nature as much as nature gave to you... :)

That's where your totally wrong! You can never reach enlightenment when you let your survival depend on the suffering of another seinten being. You definitely have absolute no Idea what Buddhism really means.

Have a great life and die well,

[Mashika]

One thing that I always remember from a seminar that I once attended was a speaker who said that not everyone can assimilate a vegetarian diet. This speaker also said that it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you honour your food source. I also knew someone who had an allergy to meat.

Honouring your food source always stuck with me, as the way that animals are slaughtered in this country is a mechanised process with no compassion and much cruelty. I became vegetarian in about 1986 when my walk into work passed a slaughterhouse. I would see the animals being beaten in by young thugs in bloodied overalls, the animals sensed that something very bad was around the corner and tried to turn back. It sickened me and I could no longer be a part of it.

I asked my husband, "would it bother you if you never ate meat again?" and was stunned to receive the answer "no" immediately - this is a Scotsman brought up on a heavy meat diet! For my part, I think that I was born with a vegetarian gene or something, I ate meat as everyone did in the 70s but I had to smother it with sauces as that was the only way I could tolerate it and I would only eat the vegetables at Sunday dinner. So, from the summer of 1986 we were vegetarian and have been ever since; many people thought we were totally weird back then. Eating out, there were the ubiquitous choices of veggie lasagne or veggie chilli and nothing else, but we found some fantastic veggie restaurants and back then there were some great independent wholefood stores.

So, I was born with an inclination to a vegetarian diet and have had a long fascination with India - past life, maybe?

One other thought is veganism, to which I have much respect but that is not my choice as I love cheese and I don't think that I could give it up. Also, everything you eat has to die for your consumption, even the veggies... I ponder on that especially with my home grown produce, that I nurture right through the summer. I always feel a tinge of sadness when I harvest them and I thank them.

I've seen the meat factories like that, it's something no living being should have to go through. I have seen them in fear knowing where they are going and what's going to happen

When i do eat chicken, it's from a 'free range' farm, and it's only rarely these days, but i know i do need it so i have to, it's hard to say no when my own life depends on it :/

Going out and dining with fine steak and stuff like that? No thanks

I think i understand how you feel, if i could avoid it entirely, i would most likely, i don't get any pleasure out of it anyways, i just have to because i need to or i would weaken and die out



So, from the summer of 1986 we were vegetarian and have been ever since; many people thought we were totally weird back then. Eating out, there were the ubiquitous choices of veggie lasagne or veggie chilli and nothing else, but we found some fantastic veggie restaurants and back then there were some great independent wholefood stores.

I'm so glad there are a lot of options these days, must have been so hard and hopeless having to search hard to find a good place back then

[Mashika]

I'm a Budhhist. therfore and out of compassion, I would never eat a living being. Another point is what happens to your energy and aura. when you eat an animal the negative energy of how they died and the fact that they dind't want to die, puts your aura in to a deep dark red and black energy. this negative energy is destroying your etheral body and not to mention - due to this negative karma, you will be reborn in the hell realms. not my words but the teachings of Siddharta Gautama.

That's a bit not 'natural' in itself, because animals will gladly eat you without any regards for "energy" either positive or negative. And animals do have feelings, and hurt inside and all those things, they just know how to deal with the nature itself and understand in a basic way, how life works, they are prepared to fight, but they are also aware of death and deal with it way better than most humans, who invent rules to prevent it or attempt to escape it in any possible way even when they know it's unavoidable

The difference between Humans and animals is the concious mind which gives you the possibility to choose. due to this comment I will refer to you as an animal.

Since you are a Buddhist, sure you know about the practice of "Transmission of Spirit" or "Sky Burial"?

Sky burial has nothing to do with tantric Buddhissm

A big part of the aspect of being alive, is respecting other living beings, but most importantly, respecting nature and its rules. And one of the main rules of nature is that you must not allow waste, because that waste is something taken away from some other living being. So if you have to eat, you eat, because eventually, you will be food for someone else as well :)

That's where I see that you're an animal with the same instincts. i will rather die than harming another seinten being. But therefore you need to have conciousness.

Before you can reach Nirvana, you have to accept the nature of this world, as it is, not as you would like it to be. This also means you have to accept that at some point, you will have to eat some other living being, and plants are also living beings by the way. Or you can eat air and water only, but then you would waste your energy so that it doesn't give back to nature as much as nature gave to you... :)

That's where your totally wrong! You can never reach enlightenment when you let your survival depend on the suffering of another seinten being. You definitely have absolute no Idea what Buddhism really means.

Have a great life and die well,

Why so much anger?

You speak on absolutes, in a very fundamentalistic way.

That's not very buddhist. Do you realize that just by writing that, you have completely rejected all Buddhism teaches?

I don't think you understand the nature of it, just like if a Lion attacked you because you entered their territory, you would think the Lion is at fault and evil, and not you going where you don't belonged in the first place

I'm sorry but you are over reacting badly, you need to work more on your understanding of what Buddhism is, based on your own words

Maybe should step aside for a bit and think or look more into what i said, or ask someone else, is a good choice right now, and for the future

Just saying. And i did not meant to offend you, but clearly you felt offended somehow?

Instead of this :argue::argue::argue:

Let's have some tea and relax :tea:

[Mashika]

I'm a Budhhist. therfore and out of compassion, I would never eat a living being. Another point is what happens to your energy and aura. when you eat an animal the negative energy of how they died and the fact that they dind't want to die, puts your aura in to a deep dark red and black energy. this negative energy is destroying your etheral body and not to mention - due to this negative karma, you will be reborn in the hell realms. not my words but the teachings of Siddharta Gautama.

That's a bit not 'natural' in itself, because animals will gladly eat you without any regards for "energy" either positive or negative. And animals do have feelings, and hurt inside and all those things, they just know how to deal with the nature itself and understand in a basic way, how life works, they are prepared to fight, but they are also aware of death and deal with it way better than most humans, who invent rules to prevent it or attempt to escape it in any possible way even when they know it's unavoidable

The difference between Humans and animals is the concious mind which gives you the possibility to choose. due to this comment I will refer to you as an animal.

Since you are a Buddhist, sure you know about the practice of "Transmission of Spirit" or "Sky Burial"?

Sky burial has nothing to do with tantric Buddhissm

A big part of the aspect of being alive, is respecting other living beings, but most importantly, respecting nature and its rules. And one of the main rules of nature is that you must not allow waste, because that waste is something taken away from some other living being. So if you have to eat, you eat, because eventually, you will be food for someone else as well :)

That's where I see that you're an animal with the same instincts. i will rather die than harming another seinten being. But therefore you need to have conciousness.

Before you can reach Nirvana, you have to accept the nature of this world, as it is, not as you would like it to be. This also means you have to accept that at some point, you will have to eat some other living being, and plants are also living beings by the way. Or you can eat air and water only, but then you would waste your energy so that it doesn't give back to nature as much as nature gave to you... :)

That's where your totally wrong! You can never reach enlightenment when you let your survival depend on the suffering of another seinten being. You definitely have absolute no Idea what Buddhism really means.

Have a great life and die well,

Tantra or trantic Buddhism does have the Sky Burial as a concept, and they even have a term for it... Are you even sure you know your own religion? Or are you making a big mistake here right now?

Surely you know you are talking about Vajrayāna Buddhism, right?

How odd that people who practice it, tends to negate all what you said on your reply, i don't get you, and i won't even try at this point, but here read this
https://vajrayananow.com/2013/10/31/more-sky-burial-tibetan-tea-and-tantric-transformation/

Thanks for considering me an "animal", because animals, tend to be more accepting and pure in feelings and intentions than some humans, so for me, that's a compliment

It's also very odd that a Buddhist practicioner would consider animals as something lower, or a term that can be used to insult someone else, and put her on a lower lever of education or living/education standards

For Buddhists, animals are sacred, yet you use the term as an insult to me.

:flower::bearhug:

Also, as a side note:

Buddhist are allowed to eat meat, is just they chose not to . The one thing that is not allowed is to ask someone to kill a cow or a chicken or other animal, and then prepare it so that you can eat it

But if you are offered some food and it's the only food available and it is meat but you did not ask for eat (Not paid for, but it is a donation) THEN you can eat it

I hope this helps you in understanding a few things, and if you still feel angry and hateful i'm truly sorry, but you have a few big misunderstandings about life and buddhism and no one but you will get you out of that place. I don't know where you have been learning Buddhism, but it's all wrong in the way you reflected those terrible feelings, specially in the way you talked about animals and me.

And the way you said i don't understand Buddhism while also using animals as an insult.. nope just nope

[Agape]

Actually, to be relevant and totally honest with you and the subject : which I’ve experienced in depth while living aside Buddhist monks and practitioners of many traditions, lineages and kinds,
the differences can be vast when it comes to their lifestyles
and it’s not always quite in accordance with Buddha’s teachings.

There are friends who call themselves Buddhists who practice “freedom of action” and mental or meditation trainings with conviction that their actions are empty so also correct, including hunting for animals and so called killings for mercy.

While at times of planetary scarcity such actions can become handy and glorified ,

at times of abundance but decline of morals such as we see in the world today

the same people don’t qualify with me as ethical Buddhists, Muslims or Christians.


Christ’s teaching itself was robbed of much of its subtle meanings.

Buddha himself was delicate person like many sages of the past.


He wasn’t the fat laughing guy sitting on some high throne.

He insisted on himself living under trees and quite like the rest of his monks and nuns went everyday for alms,
in morning hours. The Vinaya rule prohibits monks from approaching people’s abodes after noon and advises them to accept to their begging bowls whatever was offered.

Buddha himself was said to die after eating pork meat, either not well cooked or poisoned.

Most of Indian sages, yogis and saints of India were strict vegetarians practicing non-violence on every walk of life.

Unless you’ve ever met some of those subtle people you may not understand what are the differences and benefits of intelligence brushed by compassion,
to the tiniest of details.


In my experience though, born on the same planet does not necessarily mean we are all of the same kind.
Humans in particular are born with different physical constitutions and mental capacity ..and all the rest of diversity that ultimately shapes our destiny.


Wolves were common ancestors with most breed of dogs, from tiny chihuahua to German Shepherd.

Some functional diversity between some humans is even bigger than.


What we eat is “information” and “life force”. The secret is ..we have a choice. A choice of frequency , we can choose on which level we resonate ,
what we become.


Our ancestors lived much closer to animals than they do now and it’s probably they will eat the rest of living creatures here before they grow up ?



🍵

[palehorse]

I still studying Theravada Buddhism for about 20 years now, it is not my religion (I do not have one) I just study religions in my spare time and I respect their point of view, doesn't mean I will follow it.

here goes my point of view with all due respect.

We are talking about the industry of death here right, animal corpses that become industrialized food?

Something that can not be changed is the law of survive, the strong survive, the weak fall. In my case I killed a pig, my friend was kind of shocked how I could do that, the other option was to try our luck and pick some berries in the jungle to eat and maybe die from poisonous reaction, I would prefer to kill a fish or a smaller animal, but there was none available, the pig was the only option, then let be the pig, otherwise would be us.

I once heard from a Buddhist monk, if you do not have any option of food, meat could be eaten, and he said that for a room full of Buddhists, and nobody judged him for that, in fact food donated with meat and curries are always served free of charge for everyone.

Think for a minute, unless one born into a vegetarian family that is very strict about their food rules, the chances of almost everybody in this planet had eaten meat at least once in life, is great! Does it mean almost everybody is going to hell? Nah! please give me a break.

How many substances use meat in their formulas? Think for a minute again.. In the industry nothing is disposable, everything is transformed into something else. Do you trust the labels of the products in the shelves in your favorite supermarket? probably you can't even say you are a vegetarian or not, because you do not know what is in there and the big corps. lie all the time as part of their business plan for profits.

Unless the person grows and prepares their own food, nobody can say "I am 100% vegetarian". All vegetarians that I know, they became with time and they told me their struggles, as I said it is hard to be a vegetarian and consume industrialized food (even a soy sauce can contains krill and not be properly informed in the label), specially if one eats out everyday, you will have to rely on trust and not in facts.

I do not want to go into a long debate here about it, there is other threads discussing it already.

Looking death in the eyes and nothing else will scare the soul of yours. That's what that monk said in order to contemplate death every day because it is a very real thing, one day we all leave this vessel behind and we have to be aware of it, because it can be anytime, who knows. (I am not quoting it, because the monk didn't say in this exactly words, but it was on these lines).

[ExomatrixTV]

I'm a Budhhist. therfore and out of compassion, I would never eat a living being. Another point is what happens to your energy and aura. when you eat an animal the negative energy of how they died and the fact that they dind't want to die, puts your aura in to a deep dark red and black energy. this negative energy is destroying your etheral body and not to mention - due to this negative karma, you will be reborn in the hell realms. not my words but the teachings of Siddharta Gautama.

That's a bit not 'natural' in itself, because animals will gladly eat you without any regards for "energy" either positive or negative. And animals do have feelings, and hurt inside and all those things, they just know how to deal with the nature itself and understand in a basic way, how life works, they are prepared to fight, but they are also aware of death and deal with it way better than most humans, who invent rules to prevent it or attempt to escape it in any possible way even when they know it's unavoidable

Since you are a Buddhist, sure you know about the practice of "Transmission of Spirit" or "Sky Burial"?

A big part of the aspect of being alive, is respecting other living beings, but most importantly, respecting nature and its rules. And one of the main rules of nature is that you must not allow waste, because that waste is something taken away from some other living being. So if you have to eat, you eat, because eventually, you will be food for someone else as well :)

Before you can reach Nirvana, you have to accept the nature of this world, as it is, not as you would like it to be. This also means you have to accept that at some point, you will have to eat some other living being, and plants are also living beings by the way. Or you can eat air and water only, but then you would waste your energy so that it doesn't give back to nature as much as nature gave to you... :)

Very well said ...

I think the biggest problem with humanity is our disconnection with nature on so so many levels ...

When a panther or a lion is captured and fed well every day without using all his senses to survive ... it will still have all the instincts & million years of evolution in their genes so it is not lost yet ... but when the offspring is also in a captured state and fed well every day ... you will see the true meaning of long term domestication effects (https://frontiersinzoology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-9994-12-S1-S19) ... I think same happened to humans on a massive scale.


Are humans domesticated animals? (https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/humans-were-the-first-domesticated-species-hypothesis-states)

Maybe Planet Earth is just one big Zoo for Aliens to "manage" for study, experiments or other purposes like "entertainment" or "future food source" ? Or it was, until other Aliens have a say in it just like we humans do with animals.

I remember a story reading a book when I was very young ... about Aliens capture an human (without human knowing why and by whom) to study what this human will do with a "lower" life-form: animal ... If it would free the animal the aliens decide to free the human too but the human did not know he was part of this test.


maybe we all are being tested now!

Related?: Domestication and Human Evolution - Richard Wrangham: Did Homo sapiens Self-Domesticate?
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April 3rd, 2021

[thepainterdoug]

I think the entire debate is somewhat silly. we humans are very contradictory and often( be it intentional or not,) hypocrites

the peaceful vegan will smash a bee, swat a mosquito, a spider, and certainly a snake if in their home or path. not all! but many . these animals and many others can be freighting and also dangerous.

we walk out the door , step on bugs, cut the lawn, pull out weeds, trim trees , all living things. we also talk of Jesus, and Buddah with a belief that what we "believe" is correct when we werent there and have no idea how history has changed the facts.

all this stuff is often times ego drama win/loose, stuff. Self assured and content people are usually content with a live and let live attitude that is predominant. Not perfect but for the mainstay. Everything said including what I say here , and out in life has an element of contradiction to it when scrutinized. And im very present to that
lether seats in my car, gals with leather shoes and handbags. guys too for that matter! lol

The ufo experiencer and author Lou Baldin told me once when I asked him, what are animals for? His answer was for fresh food for us. thtas how the food remains fresh. Lou wasnt kidding and Lou is a peaceful guy. but that was his answer to me.

What is tragic for me is the treatment of animals prior to being food. does it really have to be this way? I do have a scary story of how I ate a steak once and felt the suffering of the animal in the food. I was turned off to it and refused it.

but I eat some of everything in moderation now. I have an 0- blood type and my body does well with meat . not with soy and lentils.

but then again, I could do it. see, contradiction. haha You judge yourself, not others. Happy Easter!

[TomKat]

I eat meat. About 12 years ago I went vegan for about 3 months. I took B12 and other supplements. After a month or two I had trouble sleeping. After 3 months after a September drive in the country, maybe 2 hours, my face and eyelids swelled up from sun exposure through the windshield (not a convertible car). I suspect, in addition to a low tolerance for sun, I became hyper-sensitive to electro-pollution, keeping me awake. Anyway, animal protein, such as meat or eggs, grounds me in my body so I can sleep. Maybe if I wanted to astral travel I could get out of the city and go vegan for a long time to test these theories.

I remember occultist Dion Fortune said that people who do magick, especially in the modern age, require meat to strengthen their systems.

[TargeT]

Pretty sure my diet is something like 60-80% red meat, as few grains as possible and some veggies at times because it's there.

find what works with your body.. I eat once a day, this works very very well for me.


I think the entire debate is somewhat silly. we humans are very contradictory and often( be it intentional or not,) hypocrites

the peaceful vegan will smash a bee, swat a mosquito, a spider, and certainly a snake if in their home or path. not all! but many . these animals and many others can be freighting and also dangerous.

we walk out the door , step on bugs, cut the lawn, pull out weeds, trim trees , all living things. we also talk of Jesus, and Buddah with a belief that what we "believe" is correct when we werent there and have no idea how history has changed the facts.

all this stuff is often times ego drama win/loose, stuff. Self assured and content people are usually content with a live and let live attitude that is predominant. Not perfect but for the mainstay. Everything said including what I say here , and out in life has an element of contradiction to it when scrutinized. And im very present to that
lether seats in my car, gals with leather shoes and handbags. guys too for that matter! lol

The ufo experiencer and author Lou Baldin told me once when I asked him, what are animals for? His answer was for fresh food for us. thtas how the food remains fresh. Lou wasnt kidding and Lou is a peaceful guy. but that was his answer to me.

What is tragic for me is the treatment of animals prior to being food. does it really have to be this way? I do have a scary story of how I ate a steak once and felt the suffering of the animal in the food. I was turned off to it and refused it.

but I eat some of everything in moderation now. I have an 0- blood type and my body does well with meat . not with soy and lentils.

but then again, I could do it. see, contradiction. haha You judge yourself, not others. Happy Easter!

some of the largest organisms on the planet (that also plan routes between hubs as efficiently as our best engineers) are mushrooms.... or huge tree groves.... we are arrogant as **** to think we can claim global warming or confine life to binary terms (everything is a spectrum...) we eat other living organisms or their remains... just like every single thing that exabits signs of "life"... logic eviscerates this topic; emotions force it.... where shall we land (again, spectrum)

[gini]

When i was 17 ,and i first read in a rosecrucian book about the benifits of a vegetarian diet for the 'spiritiual adept' and that it was hypocritical to eat meat if one is not able and willing to kill..It just rang so true to me,since i couldnt kill a mouse (when i look it in the eyes,i see myself!)and because i could buy any type of vegetarian food in my hometown,i had no reason to not give it up ,so i did ,right then,and i truly never had any craven for meat since that day ,more then 40 years ago..

I went through phases of total disgust to see meat and meat eaters,barbeques and the whole culture of meat consumption without -apparently-any conciousness about the unethical ,cruel meatindustry behind the cheap massa production,( let alone the enviromental disasters as a direct consequence of this blind consumers attitude)

Anyway,i learned to have a heartfelt respect for farmers and hunters,who have often much more respect (love)for animals ,and need it to feed their families.
When i lived in the streets as a musician,i met many poor people who had very little choice what to eat,even though some of them would love to have a vegetarian diet,but simply coudnt afford it!I felt sometimes like a snob with my expensive vegetarian snacks ,when i woudnt join the group meal and have my own exclusive gooddies..

I learned loads of yummy vegetarian recepies and seduced quite some number of friends to give a vegetarian diet a try,and some of them sticked to it till today.
So good alternative cooking tricks must be learned to have a satisfying,balanced veg meal,and since many are no kitchen wisards,vegetarianism is somehow undoable for them.

Then there is the different lifestyles and types/temperaments of people ,that crave for meat or need it for the energy it gives them,so i came to the conclusion that it is a strict personal choice , never to judge anyone ,since i dont know whats best for another and ones particular circumstances.
And when i get asked about my reasons for being vegetarian,i have always interesting conversations in a respectful way with 'meat eaters',who often share feelings of guilt and weakness ,and it doesnt help them to feel judged as rude and insensitive for their love for meat,i learned..

The last years i changed my eathabbits ,and eat a bit of fish almost every week and i enjoy it without disgust anymore,for health and social reasons when i eat with friends and there is no nice veg alternative,i eat fish to join the fun!

I came to the perspective that the problem is not that we eat meat(in a situation to survive,eating meat could save ones life!),but our connectedness with our body & soul ,and through that soulconnection our relation with all living beings around us .If we follow our hearts i believe the world will be in order,and we will treat eachother (and the anmals)correct.

"Not what goes into the mouth,but what comes out is what makes one unpure"
means for me whatever our believesystem ,lifestyle or what we consume , what comes out of us,our attitude ,our behaviour and our integrity is what really matters.
And when 'meateaters' attack me for being a hypocrit,because perhaps a carrot has as well pain from being eaten ,so whats the difference?Or do you never kill a mosquito?,i often respond that if you dont feel the difference between killing a carrot or a cow,or the difference between killing a mosquito and an elephant,then this whole discussion is a waste of time,because beside the fact that some are in the bottom and other in the top of the foodchain ,mammals are highly emotional beings and one can feel & see that ,when looking in there eyes.
I believe in the future humans will evolve to become nonviolent vegetarians and will not need to kill to survive anymore due to a better understanding and a more efficient diet.

As long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other.
Indeed ,he who sows the seed of murder &pain,cannot reap the joy of love- Pythagoras

[TomKat]

The last years i changed my eathabbits ,and eat a bit of fish almost every week and i enjoy it without disgust anymore,for health and social reasons when i eat with friends and there is no nice veg alternative,i eat fish to join the fun!

Since so many people from India are vegetarians, I asked an Indian guy if he was one. He said his family only ate meat twice a week. I was surprised to hear such a sensible, non-ideological policy. Like yours.

[mountain_jim]

I have not eaten beef, pork, or chicken for over 45 years - still eat occasional seafood and do include dairy in diet.

Initial reason for trying the change was due to my reading concerning elevating sensitivity of nervous system and energetic awareness by building new cells via vegi, not animal, proteins.

While I can't prove truth of that, I found out I felt healthier and got ill much less often, stayed with it long term.

Was later reinforced due to chicken agribusiness ruining a remote homestead for me, violating all sorts of environmental laws, yet being protected by local authorities for financial reasons.

So then my diet became an economically political act.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

No I don't eat meat - with the exception of fish once a week along with several other posters on this thread. Which I found interesting and heartening. I was reluctant to call myself vegetarian with my predilection for one fish dish a week, but now I feel a lot better.

Humans don't need to eat meat, we (or most of us) simply want to eat meat. Just like people don't need to smoke, but they do, because it's an addiction. Meat is an addiction. It's been part of the human diet for thousands of years. It makes up so many delicious food choices. But we don't need it. So becoming vegetarian - at least for me - came down to breaking an addiction. That was hard, because I grew up (70s) at a time when vegetarian choice just did not exist. At home they did not exist AT ALL. Every meal consisted of one meat or another. At school it was the same. I was brought up on a meat diet.

As I grew up, vegetarian options began to increase, and that became a different ball game. I could now choose something other than meat. It took a while but I made that choice. Unfortunately for me I am not a fan of vegetarian cooking, those dishes that purposefully substitute the meat for something else, like a pile of mushrooms, or lentils, or worst of all fake meat (Quorn). I've tried a wide range of these things, and dislike them all. But being alone and definitely no 'wizard in the kitchen' as gini says, I mostly settle for carbs and veg, like rice + veg of choice, or pasta + veg of choice. And some bread. A bland and boring diet.

I really miss the taste of meat though. I adored Indian food, the curries etc. Chicken was also a favourite, bacon, pork chops, plain beef stew - anything. Loved it. I've inched towards being tempted to break my carnivorous fast once or twice, but never have. I remain steadfast in my position, which is simply the ethics of it. I do not want to eat the dead bodies of other organisms. But I also recognise the health attributes that meat brings. Mine is not what it was was since I turned vegetarian (with the occasional fish dish), and I probably do have vitamin deficiencies. I hate pills so won't take supplements. So I've no idea what to do except continue to live on mac + cheese or whatever. Oh well que sera, at least my conscience is clear.

[Brigantia]

For some reason our physiology is different from person to person. Not everyone thrives on a vegetarian diet; not everyone thrives on a meat diet. I'm one of the latter.

Although I've been vegetarian for most of my life, I don't judge others. I don't care what others eat, as long as there's no meat or fish on my plate. The problem is that meat-eaters are either defiant or apologetic about eating meat, and in my opinion that's due to the 'holier than thou' vegetarians who feel that they have made a saintly choice. I've met many of those, and they are really a pain in the backside.

It's like religion or politics - a choice based on where you're coming from, though in this case your physiology plays a large part in this. I have no idea why this is, genetics maybe, but I believe that it does.

[TargeT]

The problem is that meat-eaters are either defiant or apologetic about eating meat, and in my opinion that's due to the 'holier than thou' vegetarians who feel that they have made a saintly choice..

this is a very common outcome of the Hegelian dialect... we see it in the topics of "classism, racism, global warming, nationalism" etc.. a very common pattern, we are divided on so many levels.

[bones]

Thanks everyone for participating, my intent is to bring a fressh awareness to all about animal abuse, especially cows, pigs and chickens. If one saw how these animals were ill-treated, I think one would certainly consider twice before feasting on that big steak etc. I don't see anything wrong with eating meat, however, given that we promote more animal abuse by eating more meat, maybe, just maybe, by reducing the consumption of meat, we might start to turn the tide in the opposite direction for the abused creatures.

[Arak]

I think this was a very justified and important topic to be shared, so thank you, bones.

Biologically we humans are designed to eat also meat. But spiritually, we should be concerned about where the meat comes to our plates.

Personally, I have not eaten pork, beef, chicken or such in 10 years, only for ethical reasons. For health reasons, I do eat fish, dairy products and eggs a few times a week. I think there is this good rule of thumb that you can eat everything you could grow, kill or harvest yourself, although, in the current situation, it is not possible for me to keep a cow for milk or chickens for eggs. For those, I try to choose ethically produced alternatives when possible. The same goes for the fish, although it is quite hard to know how the salmon that ended up in the store, for example, was fished. I am aware of the fact that I could do so much more, and entering into the more sustainable lifestyle is one of my biggest future goals.

[Brigantia]

Biologically we humans are designed to eat also meat. But spiritually, we should be concerned about where the meat comes to our plates.

Are you sure about the biological design? Humans have long intestines, carnivorous animals have short intestines and that means that meat stays longer in the digestive system of humans than it should. I agree completely with your second statement.

[TomKat]

Biologically we humans are designed to eat also meat. But spiritually, we should be concerned about where the meat comes to our plates.

Are you sure about the biological design? Humans have long intestines, carnivorous animals have short intestines and that means that meat stays longer in the digestive system of humans than it should. I agree completely with your second statement.

Humans aren't the only omnivorous animals. Coyotes are omnivorous. And what about rodents? They'll eat anything.

[TargeT]

Biologically we humans are designed to eat also meat. But spiritually, we should be concerned about where the meat comes to our plates.

Are you sure about the biological design? Humans have long intestines, carnivorous animals have short intestines and that means that meat stays longer in the digestive system of humans than it should. I agree completely with your second statement.

we have both a short (large intestine) and long (small intestine) track designed to handle both. meat doesn't "stay in the digestive system longer than it should" that's why the large intestine is first in line ;) plant matter is more difficult to break down and needs amore complex digestive track (thus our very long small intestine).

[Maia Gabrial]

Did everyone know that in order to be permitted to enter Inner Earth you have to be a vegetarian? You have to be off all meats for 6 months to gain entrance.....

I was trying to remote view Inner Earth years ago and was told I couldn't enter even that way. So, now I'm cleansing my body from the fish and shrimp just so I can remote view there.

I had a vision about a bright light behind a hill and I wanted to see what was over there. All of a sudden a man with long, blond hair wearing a uniform I've never seen before appeared in front of me. The message I received was that I couldn't enter because I wasn't a vegetarian.... meaning that even the seafood had to go.

If you think it's worth a chance to see Inner Earth, then you'll have to cleanse your bodies, knocking off ALL meats, including seafood...

[Rain Forest]

In fact, being a vegan helps get rid of a lot of health problems too. For example ,for those who were told by doctors they need a surgery to put a stent in their body......If they change their diet, become a vegan......plus exercise....they will find themselves in better health withou a stent.

[TomKat]

Did everyone know that in order to be permitted to enter Inner Earth you have to be a vegetarian? You have to be off all meats for 6 months to gain entrance.....

I was trying to remote view Inner Earth years ago and was told I couldn't enter even that way. So, now I'm cleansing my body from the fish and shrimp just so I can remote view there.

I had a vision about a bright light behind a hill and I wanted to see what was over there. All of a sudden a man with long, blond hair wearing a uniform I've never seen before appeared in front of me. The message I received was that I couldn't enter because I wasn't a vegetarian.... meaning that even the seafood had to go.

If you think it's worth a chance to see Inner Earth, then you'll have to cleanse your bodies, knocking off ALL meats, including seafood...

Isn't that where the Greys and Reptoids live?

[Mashika]

Did everyone know that in order to be permitted to enter Inner Earth you have to be a vegetarian? You have to be off all meats for 6 months to gain entrance.....

I was trying to remote view Inner Earth years ago and was told I couldn't enter even that way. So, now I'm cleansing my body from the fish and shrimp just so I can remote view there.

I had a vision about a bright light behind a hill and I wanted to see what was over there. All of a sudden a man with long, blond hair wearing a uniform I've never seen before appeared in front of me. The message I received was that I couldn't enter because I wasn't a vegetarian.... meaning that even the seafood had to go.

If you think it's worth a chance to see Inner Earth, then you'll have to cleanse your bodies, knocking off ALL meats, including seafood...

But who told you?

Fish and Shrimp... What about Frogs? Or Escargot? And Crickets? What about Ants? :sherlock:

What are your views on Buddhism, or other Indian religions, or the Chinese/Japanese versions of it? From were new age came from originally?

Asking because all that stuff basically negates any of those religions, practices, cults, sects or philosophies are remotely true in any way :)

Just saying.... :boom::girl_wacko::unsure::blink:

[Mashika]

Did you guys know that plants communicate with each other through the underground network they create with their roots?

They even share nutrients and other information, it's like a network of interconnected "brains" or "consciousness". Like in the Avatar movie

They can even alert other plants around them that a predator is around, sending signals through the interconnected roots below ground

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-whispering-trees-180968084/#:~:text=Trees%20share%20water%20and%20nutrients,Scientists%20call%20these%20mycorrhizal%20networks.


Trees share water and nutrients through the networks, and also use them to communicate. They send distress signals about drought and disease, for example, or insect attacks, and other trees alter their behavior when they receive these messages.”

Scientists call these mycorrhizal networks


The reality of this world, is not as simple as "i wish this was the way i want it to be because this is my perspective and i like it, so i'm going to enforce it on everyone else and those who refuse to follow or acknowledge, are evil"

Understanding through nature and how it works, takes away the "i'm special" feeling, but opens up a "i'm part of this" feeling that allows you to really understand the creation and the reality

But i'm just saying, again. It has to be understood better before judging people around because they have a different understanding of the reality and nature of this world. Cats have feelings too, have you ever seen a lioness suffering because of her kittens died? IT hurts to see, but they will still eat you happily once they get hungry

mc7A60n0Xgg

"The world doesn't revolve around humans and their needs and perspectives of how things should be. WE NEED to stop trying to make it turn around in that way, that's why it's getting destroyed in the first place"

:bearhug:

[TargeT]

In fact, being a vegan helps get rid of a lot of health problems too. For example ,for those who were told by doctors they need a surgery to put a stent in their body......If they change their diet, become a vegan......plus exercise....they will find themselves in better health withou a stent.

every human is a custom model.... there is no one answer...... the true path is to seek the answer, not take someone else's answer and try to adapt to it.

for my mom a 100% meat diet has solved the same issues (same as Jordan Petersen, same as MANY people).... and she has a much more elevated energy level... but that's just what works for her.

[Arak]

To add to the discussion: one of the superpowers of homo sapiens is its ability to adapt to fastly changing situations. I think being an omnivore has been a significant factor in this.

But as always, there are studies and opinions for all parties. However, I think it is quite well-established that we have evolved from herbivores to omnivores (which doesn't mean that we all would benefit from eating meat as much as some...).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/12/23/how-humans-evolved-to-be-natural-omnivores/

[gini]

Isnt it common sense to minimise unnecessary suffering for any sentient being as much as possible?Isnt that a sign of a civilised society?

And what about these carnivore diets,cant the desired effect not be accomplished with eating insects,or seafood?Must it be strictly red ,bloody mammal meat?..

Edit;Is the need to eat meat ,like Jordan Peterson or like the Dalai Lama,who must eat meet because his doctor tells him.. not an abnormality,like diabetes who need insuline?a disease...?

[gini]

Rudolf Steiner about the effect of eating meat ,its benefits for some kind of people and its relation with aggression & a more peaceful attitude.Starting at 15.50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NaP0yZcYtsThe Effects of Nicotine - Vegetarian and Meat Diets By Rudolf Steiner

[amor]

I posted this a long time ago but it has an important message. I was walking past a slaughter house in the Caribbean and heard the loud cry of what sounded like a sheep or goat. In it was the message of shock that those it trusted all its life would do this awful evil to it. It felt like a sword entering my heart. I love living creatures and feel there must be something awfully wrong and evil about this world.