WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[ExomatrixTV]

Putin To Recognize Eastern Parts Of Ukraine As Independent States:

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[Mashika]

Today i'm very happy, but also there is sadness for those who are not here today to see their dream come true

"For them we drink"

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[Bill Ryan]

An interesting aside, though rather off-topic on this thread.

I just heard an analyst on RT comment that in Putin's very articulate, fluent and detailed hour-long address, much of it about Soviet, European and Russian history, it appeared to be all ad hoc and without the use of a teleprompter or cue cards. (I listened to the whole thing. But of course, it would take a Russian speaker to know that, as one can't tell from the simultaneous English overdubbed translation.)

If that's the case, to a large extent it showcases Putin's political and intellectual mastery. Especially in comparison with Biden, who [sometimes] can't even remember Obama's name or his own personal history. (Not a joke! That really seems to be true, based on a number of recent on-record speeches.)

There seems little doubt that Putin knows exactly what he's doing and is playing his cards (or his chess moves) with a high degree of skill, consideration and judgment. The response from North American and European leaders so far has all been in swift identical lockstep. That includes an immediate statement of condemnation from Justin Trudeau.

That alone may tell us something about the way the globalist/WEF controllers regard NATO and Ukraine (and/or perhaps the 'Great Reset' desirability of a major war). It has to be possible that all this is choreographed — including Putin's actions — but I somehow don't think so. I suspect that China/Xi is well under the globalists' control, but Putin may be an inconvenient independent wild card.

My provisional position: if Trudeau starts condemning something anywhere in the world, then (a) he's almost certainly speaking from script under high-level orders, and therefore (b) what he's opposing is probably a good thing.

:)

[Mashika]

Some people should get off the internet, for their own good
https://twitter.com/jensstoltenberg/status/1495853966873309192

He forgot, or doesn't know about this?
"KIEV AUTHORITIES OPENLY SAY THAT UKRAINE WILL NOT IMPLEMENT THE MINSK AGREEMENTS"
https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/02/02/kiev-authorities-openly-say-that-ukraine-will-not-implement-the-minsk-agreements/


Confirming what Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in spring 2021, Alexey Danilov says that the Minsk agreements signed in 2015 must be rewritten because “the fulfilment of the Minsk agreement means the country’s [Ukraine – translator’s note] destruction“.

“When they were signed under the Russian gun barrel — and the German and the French watched — it was already clear for all rational people that it’s impossible to implement those documents,” says the secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine.


So now, after Ukraine openly said they were not going to implement the agreements that would have solved this 6/7 years ago, they are now blaming Russia for stepping in and doing something about this issue? They had 7 years to implement this or negotiate, they did not do anything about it, and now that they miscalculated and lost their step, suddenly the agreements are important and is Russia who is not respecting them. This is preposterous and hypocritical

[Mashika]

An interesting aside, though rather off-topic on this thread.

I just heard an analyst on RT comment that in Putin's very articulate, fluent and detailed hour-long address, much of it about Soviet, European and Russian history, it appeared to be all ad hoc and without the use of a teleprompter or cue cards. (I listened to the whole thing. But of course, it would take a Russian speaker to know that, as one can't tell from the simultaneous English overdubbed translation.)

If that's the case, to a large extent it showcases Putin's political and intellectual mastery. Especially in comparison with Biden, who [sometimes] can't even remember Obama's name or his own personal history. (Not a joke! That really seems to be true, based on a number of recent on-record speeches.)

There seems little doubt that Putin knows exactly what he's doing and is playing his cards (or his chess moves) with a high degree of skill, consideration and judgment. The response from North American and European leaders so far has all been in swift identical lockstep. That includes an immediate statement of condemnation from Justin Trudeau.

That alone may tell us something about the way the globalist/WEF controllers regard NATO and Ukraine (and/or perhaps the 'Great Reset' desirability of a major war). It has to be possible that all this is choreographed — including Putin's actions — but I somehow don't think so. I suspect that China/Xi is well under the globalists' control, but Putin may be an inconvenient independent wild card.

My provisional position: if Trudeau starts condemning something anywhere in the world, then (a) he's almost certainly speaking from script under high-level orders, and therefore (b) what he's opposing is probably a good thing.

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I have seen several of his interviews, and even if i disagree with Putin in lots of ways and things i do agree he is like that

There have been several times he derails the speech or goes on tangents and he remains articulate and very focused, even when he makes jokes in the middle of a serious conversation, just because something happened suddenly, then 10 minutes later he returns to the original topic and keeps going with no problem

It is well known that you can't win a debate against Putin, he will always be 3 steps ahead, which is annoying but have to admit is amazing as well :)

[mizo]

As dates go, tomorrow being 22/02/2022.

Will these developments tomorrow (today in Russia) be another one of those significant numerological date events?



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[Mashika]

I suppose this means bad news for Taiwan and Hong Kong's future? ;)

https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1495876888148992003

Perhaps this person needs to become aware of this

"Self-determination"
https://unpo.org/article/4957#:~:text=Essentially%2C%20the%20right%20to%20self,economic%2C%20cultural%20and%20social%20develo pment.


Essentially, the right to self-determination is the right of a people to determine its own destiny. In particular, the principle allows a people to choose its own political status and to determine its own form of economic, cultural and social development


Clearly there is a double standard at work here, from the US and "partners"

[Bill Ryan]

@Malisa, I'd like to ask for your opinion: :sun:

Quite a few are saying that after this "chess move", Russia can now justify entering the region with the claim of giving military aid to the "new states". (Or, just maybe, protecting their borders, or safeguarding the movement of Donbass civilians if they want to cross to safety in Russia.)

Do you think this is likely? If there's an escalation, how might this happen? Or will nothing at all happen now except for a lot of North American and European political rhetoric?

[indiana]

The Putinator strikes again. A masterful stroke. I hope those who identify as being Ukrainian living inside the now autonomous regions will be well treated. Of course there's a considerable amount of water yet to flow under this particular bridge.

[Mashika]

@Malisa, I'd like to ask for your opinion: :sun:

Quite a few are saying that after this "chess move", Russia can now justify entering the region with the claim of giving military aid to the "new states". (Or, just maybe, protecting their borders, or safeguarding the movement of Donbass civilians if they want to cross to safety in Russia.)

Do you think this is likely? If there's an escalation, how might this happen? Or will nothing at all happen now except for a lot of North American and European political rhetoric?

Hi :flower:

I believe it could be possible, but not as a direct intervention.

What i believe could happen is this, recognising these regions as independent may allow to send help in several forms, one of them could be sending a group of peace keepers, such as what happened in Kazakhstan, it would be a group of nations sending this help and it would be temporary. But it would definitely cause a stop for some of the current attacks, because it would involve several countries and doing any kind of attack against them would mean declaring war to all of them

This also places Donbass in a similar situation as Taiwan, so they could receive military help just as the US does with Taiwan. As long as it is for defensive use only and while being monitored about the usage and location of those arms.

In that way i think it is possible and it will very likely happen soon

There was an article posted yesterday but recently got updated, i have not yet found more information about this. The title seems to have been updated around half an hour ago, but the content is from a different article from yesterday

"LIVE UPDATES: Russian President Orders Peacekeeping Mission in DPR, LPR"
https://sputniknews.com/20220221/live-updates-kiev-forces-continue-shelling-donbass-on-monday-lpr--dpr-say-1093217700.html

[indiana]

Many news outlets are reporting the Russian army under orders from Putin have entered the LPR and DPR as "Peace Keepers". Many are referring to this bold move as an invasion of Ukraine.

[Mashika]

Many news outlets are reporting the Russian army under orders from Putin have entered the LPR and DPR as "Peace Keepers". Many are referring to this bold move as an invasion of Ukraine.

I have not seen any video evidence about this on any of the Donbass channels, or Russian ones. So if this is posted on western news then it's basically the same as any other news in the past months, "no evidence required"

I however saw a video of Ukraine troops raising up against the Ukranian government, but i lost it before i could download or find the original. I'm still trying to find it. Looks like some of the Ukrainian soldiers are not happy with what's going on and a new upraising (possible coup) is in the works

[Bill Ryan]

Many news outlets are reporting the Russian army under orders from Putin have entered the LPR and DPR as "Peace Keepers". Many are referring to this bold move as an invasion of Ukraine.A bunch of tweets, all in quick succession. Comments about all this are likely to get very emotional and noisy (and maybe confusing!) over the next 24-48 hours.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1495874939764813824
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https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1495846221361131522
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https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495875259395883010
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https://twitter.com/6w_es/status/1495881396543533056
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https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1495873114814750730
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[jaybee]

Yes let's hope 'the West' doesn't do anything stupid and escalate this into a wider conflict - I say 'West' but I believe Western Military to be heavily infiltrated at the top by the Globalist Elite trying to create a One World Government (dictatorship).... so 'our' military is now more or less under the Globalist's command and they want Russia under their influence - they want Russia in the Globalist fold... so gawd knows what they might do now to try and counter act Putin's move... they must have known this was coming and that's why they've been going on and on about an 'invasion'....

[indiana]

No doubts on the confusion front! Though Putin wouldn't need to move too many troops in. He'd just need to give the order for the troops already present in the region that they can put on their Russian uniforms now.

[Gwin Ru]

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... I think it also changes the status of the "conflicts" in that area from "civil war" to plain, downright "war".

[indiana]

Many news outlets are reporting the Russian army under orders from Putin have entered the LPR and DPR as "Peace Keepers". Many are referring to this bold move as an invasion of Ukraine.

I have not seen any video evidence about this on any of the Donbass channels, or Russian ones. So if this is posted on western news then it's basically the same as any other news in the past months, "no evidence required"

I however saw a video of Ukraine troops raising up against the Ukranian government, but i lost it before i could download or find the original. I'm still trying to find it. Looks like some of the Ukrainian soldiers are not happy with what's going on and a new upraising (possible coup) is in the works

Yes the media in the west is beyond shocking. On the odd occasion that i tune into it, it's usually to find out what is really happening by knowing the opposite of what they are saying is most likely true.

[Mashika]

I find this document very suspicious, there is no source and after looking for a while, it seems to originate on that account and then every news channel is picking it up from there and assuming it's true

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495875259395883010

Not even the official Russia's president log shows the event yet, but that guy has the unpublished document?

http://en.kremlin.ru/acts/news

The AFP website is also claiming the same, but i don't find any source from where they picked up this document. And why have they not posted a full translation?

I also see lots of misleading reports, like this one of buses and regular cars

https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1495873827678605322

UPDATE:

The "peacekeepers" line seems to have been taken from here, but i don't find the document yet, also it doesn't mean that on this moment there are Russian troops entering Donbass

"Putin orders Russian military to Donbass Republics as peacekeepers"
https://www.rt.com/russia/550177-putin-decree-military-donbass/

[ExomatrixTV]

Latest Putin Speech on Ukraine with English cc Sub-Titles:

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source (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=643986660143114) <<< sub-titles!

[Mashika]

:bigsmile:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Timcast IRL - Russia Orders INVASION Of Ukraine Sparking WW3 Fears w/Larry Sharpe:

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[ExomatrixTV]

US Army troops arrive in Poland:

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[Mashika]

No comment, reading that thread is enough

https://twitter.com/ValLisitsa/status/1495899951301373954

[Mashika]

An interesting aside, though rather off-topic on this thread.

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but Putin may be an inconvenient independent wild card.



In addition to this, would like to add that Vladimir Putin did not came out of nowhere as he may like to pretend. He comes from a family with several generations of influence and contacts going back to the Russian Empire, even before the USSR existed. He likes to pretend otherwise but reality is he may be more than he says or let's people write on the history books

And that's why he's so powerful in the very end, and why all the doors are always open for him since way back as a kid :)

[Spiral]

Putin: Russia recognizes the independence of breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine.


Followed shortly by...


Putin orders Russian armed forces to enter rebel territories in eastern #Ukraine for "peacekeeping operations."

From DiscloseTV on telegram.

[ExomatrixTV]

Message from the President of the Russian Federation

February 21, 2022 22:35
Moscow Kremlin

Message from the President of the Russian Federation

Vladimir Putin: Dear citizens of Russia! Dear friends!

The topic of my speech is the events in Ukraine and why it is so important for us, for Russia. Of course, my appeal is also addressed to our compatriots in Ukraine.
You will have to speak in detail and in detail. The question is very serious.

The situation in the Donbas has again acquired a critical, acute character. And today I am addressing you directly in order not only to assess what is happening, but also to inform you about the decisions being made, about possible further steps in this direction.

Let me emphasize once again that Ukraine for us is not just a neighboring country. It is an integral part of our own history, culture, spiritual space. These are our comrades, relatives, among whom are not only colleagues, friends, former colleagues, but also relatives, people connected with us by blood, family ties.

For a long time, the inhabitants of the southwestern historical Old Russian lands called themselves Russian and Orthodox. So it was until the 17th century, when part of these territories was reunited with the Russian state, and after.

It seems to us that, in principle, we all know about this, that we are talking about well-known facts. At the same time, in order to understand what is happening today, to explain the motives for Russia's actions and the goals that we set for ourselves, it is necessary to say at least a few words about the history of the issue.

So, I'll start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely and completely created by Russia, more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began almost immediately after the revolution of 1917, and Lenin and his associates did it in a very rude way towards Russia itself - by separating, tearing away from it part of its own historical territories. Of course, no one asked about anything to the millions of people who lived there.

Then, on the eve and after the Great Patriotic War, Stalin already annexed to the USSR and transferred to Ukraine some lands that previously belonged to Poland, Romania and Hungary. At the same time, as a kind of compensation, Stalin endowed Poland with part of the original German territories, and in 1954 Khrushchev for some reason took away Crimea from Russia and also presented it to Ukraine. Actually, this is how the territory of Soviet Ukraine was formed.

But now I would like to pay special attention to the initial period of the creation of the USSR. I think this is extremely important for us. You have to go, as they say, from afar.
Let me remind you that after the October Revolution of 1917 and the subsequent Civil War, the Bolsheviks began to build a new statehood, and quite sharp disagreements arose between them. Stalin, who in 1922 combined the posts of the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) and the People's Commissar for Nationalities, proposed building the country on the principles of autonomization, that is, giving the republics - future administrative-territorial units - broad powers when they join a single state.

Lenin criticized this plan and offered to make concessions to the nationalists, as he then called them - "independents". It was these Leninist ideas, in fact, of a confederate state structure and the slogan about the right of nations to self-determination up to secession, that formed the basis of Soviet statehood: first, in 1922, they were enshrined in the Declaration on the Formation of the USSR, and then, after the death of Lenin, and in the Constitution of the USSR in 1924.

Many questions immediately arise here. And the first of them, in fact the main one: why was it necessary to satisfy any, unlimitedly growing nationalist ambitions on the outskirts of the former empire from the lord's shoulder? To transfer to the newly formed, and often arbitrarily formed, administrative units - the union republics - huge territories that often had nothing to do with them at all. I repeat, to convey together with the population of historical Russia.

Moreover, in fact, these administrative units were given the status and form of national state formations. Again I ask myself: why was it necessary to give such generous gifts, which the most ardent nationalists had never even dreamed of before, and even give the republics the right to secede from the united state without any conditions?
At first glance, this is generally incomprehensible, some kind of madness. But this is only at first glance. There is an explanation. After the revolution, the main task of the Bolsheviks was to stay in power at any cost, precisely at any cost. For the sake of this, they did everything: both to the humiliating conditions of the Brest Peace at a time when Kaiser Germany and its allies were in a difficult military and economic situation, and the outcome of the First World War was actually a foregone conclusion, and to satisfy any demands, any wishes from the outside nationalists within the country.
From the point of view of the historical fate of Russia and its peoples, the Leninist principles of state building turned out to be not just a mistake, it was, as they say, much worse than a mistake. After the collapse of the USSR in 1991, this became absolutely obvious.

Of course, the events of the past cannot be changed, but we must at least speak about them directly and honestly, without any reservations and without any political overtones. I can only add on my own behalf that the considerations of the current political situation, no matter how spectacular, winning they may seem at a particular moment in time, under no circumstances should and cannot be taken as the basis of the basic principles of statehood.

I don’t blame anyone for anything now, the situation in the country at that time and after the Civil War, on the eve, was incredibly difficult, critical. Today I just want to say that it was exactly like that. This is a historical fact. Actually, as I have already said, as a result of the Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called "Ukraine named after Vladimir Ilyich Lenin." He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archival documents, including Lenin's harsh directives on the Donbass, which was literally squeezed into Ukraine. And now "grateful descendants" have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunization.

Do you want decommunization? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is not necessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunization means for Ukraine.

Returning to the history of the issue, I repeat that in 1922 the USSR was formed on the territory of the former Russian Empire. But life itself immediately showed that it was simply impossible to preserve such a huge and complex territory, or to manage it on the proposed amorphous, in fact, confederal principles. They were completely divorced from both reality and historical tradition.

It is natural that the Red Terror and the rapid transition to the Stalinist dictatorship, the dominance of the communist ideology and the Communist Party's monopoly on power, nationalization and the planned system of the national economy - all this in fact turned into a simple declaration, into a formality, the declared, but non-working principles of the state system. In reality, the union republics did not have any sovereign rights, they simply did not exist. But in practice, a strictly centralized, absolutely unitary state was created.

Stalin, in fact, fully implemented in practice not Lenin's, but his own ideas of state structure. But he did not make the corresponding changes to the backbone documents, to the Constitution of the country, did not formally revise the proclaimed Leninist principles of building the USSR. Yes, apparently, it seemed that there was no need for this - under the conditions of a totalitarian regime, everything worked anyway, and outwardly it looked beautiful, attractive and even super-democratic.

And yet, it is a pity, it is a pity that from the basic, formally legal foundations on which our entire statehood was built, odious, utopian, inspired by the revolution, but absolutely destructive fantasies for any normal country, were not cleaned out in a timely manner. Nobody thought about the future, as it often happened with us before.
The leaders of the Communist Party seemed to be sure that they had succeeded in forming a solid system of government, that through their policy they had finally solved the national question. But falsification, substitution of concepts, manipulation of public consciousness and deceit are costly. The bacillus of nationalist ambitions has not disappeared, and the initially laid mine, which undermines the state immunity against the infection of nationalism, was only waiting in the wings. Such a mine, I repeat, was the right to secede from the USSR.

In the mid-1980s, against the backdrop of growing socio-economic problems, the obvious crisis of the planned economy, the national question, the essence of which was not some expectations and unfulfilled aspirations of the peoples of the Union, but primarily the growing appetites of local elites, became more and more aggravated.
However, instead of a deep analysis of the situation, taking adequate measures, primarily in the economy, as well as a gradual, thoughtful, balanced transformation of the political system and state structure, the leadership of the CPSU limited itself to outright verbiage about restoring the Leninist principle of national self-determination.
Moreover, in the course of the unfolding struggle for power within the Communist Party itself, each of the warring parties, in order to expand the base of support, began to thoughtlessly stimulate, encourage nationalist sentiments, play on them, promising their potential supporters whatever they wish. Against the backdrop of superficial and populist chatter about democracy and a bright future built on the basis of either a market or a planned economy, but in conditions of real impoverishment of people and a total shortage, none of those in power even thought about the inevitable tragic consequences for the country.

And then they completely went along the path beaten at the dawn of the creation of the USSR to satisfy the ambitions of the nationalist elites grown in their own party ranks, while forgetting that the CPSU no longer has in its hands, and thank God, such tools for maintaining power and the country itself as state terror dictatorship of the Stalinist type. And that even the notorious leading role of the party, like morning mist, disappears without a trace right before their eyes.

And in September 1989, at the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, an essentially fatal document was adopted - the so-called national policy of the party in modern conditions, the platform of the CPSU. It contained the following provisions, I will quote: "The Union Republics have all the rights corresponding to their status as sovereign socialist states."

One more point: "The highest representative authorities of the union republics may protest and suspend the decisions and orders of the union government on their territory."

And finally: "Each union republic has its own citizenship, which applies to all its inhabitants."

Was it not obvious what such formulations and decisions would lead to?
Now is not the time, not the place to go into questions of state or constitutional law, to define the very concept of citizenship. But still, the question arises: why, in those already difficult conditions, was it necessary to rock the country even more in this way? The fact remains.

Two years before the collapse of the USSR, his fate was actually a foregone conclusion. It is now the radicals and nationalists, including and above all in Ukraine, who attribute to themselves the merit of gaining independence. As we can see, this is not at all the case. The historical, strategic mistakes of the leaders of the Bolsheviks, the leadership of the CPSU, made at different times in state building, economic and national policy, led to the disintegration of our united country. The collapse of historical Russia under the name of the USSR is on their conscience.

Despite all these injustices, deceit and outright robbery of Russia, our people, namely the people, recognized the new geopolitical realities that arose after the collapse of the USSR, recognized the new independent states. And he not only admitted it - Russia itself, being in a difficult situation at that time, helped its partners in the CIS, including Ukrainian colleagues, from whom, right from the moment of independence, numerous requests for material support began to arrive. And our country provided such support with respect for the dignity and sovereignty of Ukraine.

According to expert estimates, which are confirmed by a simple calculation of our energy prices, the volume of soft loans, economic and trade preferences that Russia provided to Ukraine, the total benefit for the Ukrainian budget for the period from 1991 to 2013 amounted to about $250 billion.

But this is not all. By the end of 1991, the debt obligations of the USSR to foreign states and international funds amounted to about 100 billion dollars. And initially it was assumed that these loans would be returned by all the republics of the former USSR in solidarity, in proportion to their economic potential. However, Russia took upon itself the repayment of the entire Soviet debt and paid it off in full. Completed this process in 2017.

In return, the newly independent states had to give up their share of Soviet foreign assets, and corresponding agreements were reached in December 1994 with Ukraine. However, Kiev did not ratify these agreements and later simply refused to comply, putting forward claims to the diamond fund, gold reserves, as well as property and other assets of the former USSR abroad.

And yet, despite the well-known problems, Russia has always cooperated with Ukraine openly, honestly and, I repeat, with respect for its interests, our ties have developed in various fields. Thus, in 2011 the bilateral trade turnover exceeded $50 billion. I note that the volume of Ukraine’s trade with all EU countries in 2019, that is, even before the pandemic, was inferior to this indicator.

At the same time, it was evident that the Ukrainian authorities preferred to act in such a way that they would have all the rights and advantages in relations with Russia, but not incur any obligations.

Instead of partnership, dependency began to prevail, which on the part of the Kiev authorities sometimes acquired an absolutely unceremonious character. Suffice it to recall the permanent blackmail in the field of energy transit and the banal theft of gas.
I will add that Kiev tried to use the dialogue with Russia as a pretext for bargaining with the West, blackmailed it with rapprochement with Moscow, knocking out preferences for itself: they say, otherwise Russian influence on Ukraine will grow.

At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities initially, I want to emphasize this, it was from the very first steps that they began to build their statehood on the denial of everything that unites us, they sought to distort the consciousness, the historical memory of millions of people, entire generations living in Ukraine. Not surprisingly, Ukrainian society faced the rise of extreme nationalism, which quickly took the form of aggressive Russophobia and neo-Nazism. Hence the participation of Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis in terrorist gangs in the North Caucasus, and the increasingly louder territorial claims against Russia.

External forces also played their role, which, with the help of an extensive network of NGOs and special services, grew their clientele in Ukraine and promoted its representatives to power.

It is also important to understand that Ukraine, in fact, has never had a stable tradition of its true statehood. And starting from 1991, she took the path of mechanical copying of other people's models, cut off from both history and Ukrainian realities. Political state institutions were constantly reshaped to suit the rapidly formed clans with their own selfish interests, which had nothing to do with the interests of the people of Ukraine.
The whole point of the so-called pro-Western civilizational choice of the Ukrainian oligarchic government was and is not to create better conditions for the well-being of the people, but to obsequiously render services to Russia's geopolitical rivals, to save billions of dollars stolen from Ukrainians and hidden by oligarchs in accounts in Western banks.

Some industrial financial groups, taken by them for the maintenance of the party and politics, initially relied on nationalists and radicals. Others verbally advocated good relations with Russia, for cultural and linguistic diversity, and came to power with the help of the votes of citizens who sincerely supported such aspirations, including millions of residents of the southeast. But, having received posts, positions, they immediately betrayed their voters, renounced their election promises, and carried out real politics under the dictation of the radicals, sometimes persecuting their yesterday's allies - those public organizations that advocated bilingualism, for cooperation with Russia. They took advantage of the fact that the people who supported them, as a rule, are law-abiding, moderate views, accustomed to trusting the authorities, they, unlike the radicals, will not show aggression.

In turn, the radicals became impudent, their claims grew year after year. It turned out to be easy for them to impose their will over and over again on a weak government, which itself was infected with the virus of nationalism and corruption and skillfully replaced the true cultural, economic, social interests of the people, the real sovereignty of Ukraine with various kinds of speculation on national soil and external ethnographic paraphernalia.

A stable statehood in Ukraine has not developed, and political, electoral procedures serve only as a cover, a screen for the redistribution of power and property between various oligarchic clans.

Corruption, which, without a doubt, is a challenge and a problem for many countries, including Russia, has acquired some special character in Ukraine. It literally permeated and corroded Ukrainian statehood, the entire system, all branches of power. The radicals took advantage of the justified discontent of the people, saddled the protest and in 2014 brought Maidan to a coup d'état. At the same time, they received direct assistance from foreign states. According to reports, the material support of the so-called protest camp on Independence Square in Kiev from the US Embassy amounted to one million dollars a day. Additional very large sums were impudently transferred directly to the bank accounts of opposition leaders. And it was about tens of millions of dollars. And how much did the really affected people, the families of those who died in the clashes provoked on the streets and squares of Kiev and other cities? It's better not to ask about it.

The radicals who seized power organized a persecution, a real terror against those who opposed anti-constitutional actions. Politicians, journalists, public figures were mocked, they were publicly humiliated. Ukrainian cities were swept by a wave of pogroms and violence, a series of high-profile and unpunished murders. It is impossible without a shudder to remember the terrible tragedy in Odessa, where participants in a peaceful protest were brutally murdered, burned alive in the House of Trade Unions. The criminals who committed this atrocity are not punished, and no one is looking for them. But we know them by name and will do everything to punish them, find them and bring them to justice.

Maidan did not bring Ukraine closer to democracy and progress. Having carried out a coup d'état, the nationalists and the political forces that supported them finally brought the situation to a standstill, pushed Ukraine into the abyss of civil war. Eight years after those events, the country is split. Ukraine is experiencing an acute socio-economic crisis.

According to international organizations, in 2019, almost six million Ukrainians, I emphasize that this is about 15 percent, not of the able-bodied, but of the entire population of the country, were forced to go abroad in search of work. And often, as a rule, for daily unskilled earnings. The following fact is also indicative: since 2020, over 60,000 doctors and other health workers have left the country during the pandemic.
Since 2014, tariffs for water supply have increased by almost a third, for electricity - by several times, for gas for households - by dozens of times. Many people simply do not have money to pay for utilities, they literally have to survive.

What happened? Why is all this happening? The answer is obvious: because the dowry, received not only from the Soviet era, but also from the Russian Empire, was squandered and taken into pockets. Tens and hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost, which, thanks, among other things, to close cooperation with Russia, gave people a stable income and brought taxes to the treasury. Industries such as mechanical engineering, instrumentation, electronics, shipbuilding and aircraft building are either lying on their side or completely destroyed, and in fact they were once proud not only of Ukraine, but of the entire Soviet Union.

In 2021, the Chernomorsky Shipbuilding Plant in Nikolaev was liquidated, where the first shipyards were laid down under Catherine II. The famous Antonov concern has not produced a single serial aircraft since 2016, and the Yuzhmash plant, which specialized in the production of rocket and space technology, was on the verge of bankruptcy, like the Kremenchug steel plant. This sad list goes on.

As for the gas transportation system, which was created by the entire Soviet Union, it is so dilapidated that its operation is associated with great risks and environmental costs.

And in this regard, the question arises: is poverty, hopelessness, the loss of industrial and technological potential - this is the very pro-Western civilizational choice that has been fooling and fooling millions of people for many years, promising them paradise?
In fact, it all came down to the fact that the collapse of the Ukrainian economy is accompanied by outright robbery of the citizens of the country, and Ukraine itself was simply driven under external control. It is carried out not only at the behest of Western capitals, but also, as they say, directly on the spot - through a whole network of foreign advisers, NGOs and other institutions deployed in Ukraine. They have a direct impact on all the most important personnel decisions, on all branches and levels of government: from the central and even to the municipal, on the main state-owned companies and corporations, including Naftogaz, Ukrenergo, Ukrainian Railways, Ukroboronprom, Ukrposhta , Administration of Sea Ports of Ukraine.

There is simply no independent court in Ukraine. At the request of the West, the Kiev authorities gave representatives of international organizations the pre-emptive right to select members of the highest judicial bodies - the Council of Justice and the Qualification Commission of Judges.

In addition, the US Embassy directly controls the National Corruption Prevention Agency, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau, the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office, and the Supreme Anti-Corruption Court. All this is done under a plausible pretext - to increase the effectiveness of the fight against corruption. Okay, but where are the results? Corruption has blossomed as luxuriantly, and blooms, more than ever.

Are the Ukrainians themselves aware of all these managerial methods? Do they understand that their country is not even under a political and economic protectorate, but reduced to the level of a colony with a puppet regime? The privatization of the state has led to the fact that the government, which calls itself the "power of patriots", has lost its national character and is consistently moving towards the complete desovereignization of the country.

The course towards de-Russification and forced assimilation continues. The Verkhovna Rada is constantly issuing new discriminatory acts, and the law on the so-called indigenous peoples is already in force. People who consider themselves Russians and would like to preserve their identity, language, culture, were made clear that they are strangers in Ukraine.

In accordance with the laws on education and on the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the state language, Russian is expelled from schools, from all public spheres up to ordinary shops. The law on the so-called lustration, the "cleansing" of power, made it possible to deal with objectionable civil servants.

Acts are proliferating that give the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies grounds for the harsh suppression of freedom of speech, dissent, and the persecution of the opposition. The world knows the sad practice of unilateral illegitimate sanctions against other states, foreign individuals and legal entities. In Ukraine, they outdid their Western curators and invented such a tool as sanctions against their own citizens, enterprises, TV channels, other media, and even parliament deputies.

In Kiev, they continue to prepare reprisals against the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. And this is not an emotional assessment, this is evidenced by specific decisions and documents. The Ukrainian authorities have cynically turned the tragedy of the church schism into an instrument of state policy. The current leadership of the country does not respond to the requests of Ukrainian citizens to repeal laws that infringe on the rights of believers. Moreover, the Rada registered new bills directed against the clergy and millions of parishioners of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate.

Separately, I will say about the Crimea. The inhabitants of the peninsula have made their free choice - to be together with Russia. The Kiev authorities have nothing to oppose to this clear, clear will of the people, so they rely on aggressive actions, on the activation of extremist cells, including radical Islamic organizations, on the infiltration of sabotage groups to commit terrorist acts at critical infrastructure, to kidnap Russian citizens. We have direct evidence that such aggressive actions are carried out with the support of foreign intelligence services.

In March 2021, Ukraine adopted a new Military Strategy. This document is almost entirely devoted to confrontation with Russia, aims to draw foreign states into a conflict with our country. The strategy proposes the organization in the Russian Crimea and on the territory of Donbass, in fact, a terrorist underground. It also spells out the contours of the proposed war, and it should end, as it seems to today's Kiev strategists, I will quote further: "with the assistance of the international community on favorable terms for Ukraine." And also, as they say today in Kiev, I also quote here, listen carefully, please: "with military support from the world community in the geopolitical confrontation with the Russian Federation." In fact, this is nothing more than preparation for hostilities against our country - against Russia.

We also know that there have already been statements that Ukraine is going to create its own nuclear weapons, and this is not empty bravado. Ukraine does indeed still have Soviet nuclear technologies and means of delivering such weapons, including aviation, as well as Tochka-U operational-tactical missiles, also of Soviet design, with a range of more than 100 kilometers. But they will do more, it's only a matter of time. There are backlogs from the Soviet era.

Thus, it will be much easier for Ukraine to acquire tactical nuclear weapons than for some other states, I will not name them now, who actually conduct such developments, especially in the case of technological support from abroad. And we should not exclude this either.

With the appearance of weapons of mass destruction in Ukraine, the situation in the world, in Europe, especially for us, for Russia, will change in the most radical way. We cannot fail to react to this real danger, especially, I repeat, that Western patrons can contribute to the appearance of such weapons in Ukraine in order to create another threat to our country. We see how persistently the military pumping of the Kiev regime is carried out. Since 2014, the United States alone has allocated billions of dollars for these purposes, including the supply of weapons, equipment, and training of specialists. In recent months, Western weapons are coming to Ukraine just in a continuous stream, defiantly, in front of the whole world. The activities of the armed forces and special services of Ukraine are led by foreign advisers, we know this very well.

In recent years, under the pretext of exercises, military contingents of NATO countries have been almost constantly present on the territory of Ukraine. The command and control system of the Ukrainian troops is already integrated with the NATO ones. This means that the command of the Ukrainian armed forces, even individual units and subunits, can be directly exercised from NATO headquarters.

The United States and NATO have begun the shameless development of the territory of Ukraine as a theater of potential military operations. Regular joint exercises have a clear anti-Russian focus. Last year alone, more than 23,000 servicemen and over a thousand pieces of equipment took part in them.

A law has already been adopted on the admission in 2022 of the armed forces of other states to the territory of Ukraine to participate in multinational exercises. It is clear that we are talking primarily about NATO troops. And in the coming year, at least ten such joint maneuvers are planned.

It is obvious that such events serve as a cover for the rapid build-up of the NATO military grouping on the territory of Ukraine. Moreover, the network of airfields modernized with the help of the Americans - Boryspil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chuguev, Odessa, and so on - is capable of ensuring the transfer of military units in the shortest possible time. The airspace of Ukraine is open for flights by US strategic and reconnaissance aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles that are used to monitor the territory of Russia.

I will add that the Naval Operations Center in Ochakovo, built by the Americans, makes it possible to ensure the actions of NATO ships, including the use of high-precision weapons by them against the Russian Black Sea Fleet and our infrastructure along the entire Black Sea coast.

At one time, the United States intended to create similar facilities in the Crimea, but the Crimeans and Sevastopol thwarted these plans. We will always remember this.
I repeat, today such a center has been deployed, it has already been deployed in Ochakovo. Let me remind you that in the 18th century the soldiers of Alexander Suvorov fought for this city. Thanks to their courage, he became part of Russia. Then, in the 18th century, the lands of the Black Sea region, annexed to Russia as a result of wars with the Ottoman Empire, were called Novorossiya. Now they are trying to oblivion these milestones of history, as well as the names of state military figures of the Russian Empire, without whose work modern Ukraine would not have many large cities and even the very exit to the Black Sea.

Recently, a monument to Alexander Suvorov was demolished in Poltava. What can you say? Renounce your own past? From the so-called colonial heritage of the Russian Empire? Well, then be consistent here.

Further. I note that Article 17 of the Constitution of Ukraine does not allow the deployment of foreign military bases on its territory. But it turned out that this is just a convention that can be easily circumvented.

Training missions of NATO countries are deployed in Ukraine. These, in fact, are already foreign military bases. They just called the base a mission - and the trick is in the bag.
Kiev has long proclaimed a strategic course towards joining NATO. Yes, of course, each country has the right to choose its own security system and conclude military alliances. And everything seems to be so, if not for one “but”. International documents expressly state the principle of equal and indivisible security, which, as is well known, includes obligations not to strengthen one's security at the expense of the security of other states. I can also refer here to the 1999 OSCE Charter for European Security, adopted in Istanbul, and the 2010 OSCE Astana Declaration.

In other words, the choice of ways to ensure security should not pose a threat to other states, and Ukraine's entry into NATO is a direct threat to Russia's security.
Let me remind you that back in April 2008, at the Bucharest summit of the North Atlantic Alliance, the United States pushed through the decision that Ukraine and, by the way, Georgia would become NATO members. Many European allies of the United States were already well aware of all the risks of such a prospect, but were forced to come to terms with the will of their senior partner. The Americans simply used them to carry out a pronounced anti-Russian policy.

A number of member states of the Alliance are still very skeptical about the appearance of Ukraine in NATO. At the same time, we receive a signal from some European capitals, they say, “what are you going through? It won't happen literally tomorrow." In fact, our American partners are also talking about this. “Well,” we answer, “if not tomorrow, then the day after tomorrow. What does this change in historical perspective? Basically, nothing."

Moreover, we know the position and words of the leadership of the United States that active hostilities in eastern Ukraine do not exclude the possibility of this country joining NATO if it can meet the criteria of the North Atlantic Alliance and defeat corruption.
At the same time, they try to convince us over and over again that NATO is a peace-loving and purely defensive alliance. Like, there are no threats to Russia. Again they offer to take a word. But we know the real value of such words. In 1990, when the issue of German unification was discussed, the Soviet leadership was promised by the United States that there would be no extension of NATO jurisdiction or military presence one inch to the east. And that the unification of Germany will not lead to the spread of NATO's military organization to the east. This quote.

They talked, gave verbal assurances, and everything turned out to be an empty phrase. Later, they began to assure us that the accession to NATO of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe would only improve relations with Moscow, relieve these countries of the fears of a heavy historical legacy, and even, moreover, create a belt of states friendly to Russia.

Everything turned out exactly the opposite. The authorities of some Eastern European countries, trading in Russophobia, brought their complexes and stereotypes about the Russian threat to the Alliance, insisted on building up collective defense potentials, which should be deployed primarily against Russia. Moreover, this happened in the 1990s and early 2000s, when, thanks to openness and our goodwill, relations between Russia and the West were at a high level.

Russia has fulfilled all its obligations, including the withdrawal of troops from Germany, from the states of Central and Eastern Europe, and thus has made a huge contribution to overcoming the legacy of the Cold War. We have consistently proposed various options for cooperation, including in the format of the Russia-NATO Council and the OSCE.

Moreover, I will say now what I have never said publicly, I will say it for the first time. In 2000, during a visit to Moscow by outgoing US President Bill Clinton, I asked him: "How would America feel about having Russia join NATO?".

I won’t reveal all the details of that conversation, but the reaction to my question looked, let’s say, very restrained, and how the Americans really reacted to this opportunity can actually be seen in their practical steps towards our country. These are open support for terrorists in the North Caucasus, disregard for our demands and security concerns in NATO expansion, withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, and so on. One wants to ask: why, why all this, for what? Well, you don’t want to see in our person a friend and ally, but why make an enemy out of us?

There is only one answer: it's not about our political regime, it's not about something else, they just don't need such a big independent country like Russia. This is the answer to all questions. This is the source of the traditional American policy towards Russia. Hence the attitude to all our proposals in the field of security.
Today, one glance at the map is enough to see how Western countries have “kept” their promise to prevent NATO from moving eastward. They just cheated. We received five waves of NATO expansion one after another. In 1999, Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary were admitted to the Alliance, in 2004 - Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia, in 2009 - Albania and Croatia, in 2017 - Montenegro, in 2020 – North Macedonia.

As a result, the Alliance, its military infrastructure came directly to the borders of Russia. This became one of the key causes of the European security crisis, it had the most negative impact on the entire system of international relations and led to the loss of mutual trust.

The situation continues to deteriorate, including in the strategic sphere. Thus, in Romania and Poland, as part of the US project to create a global missile defense system, position areas for anti-missiles are being deployed. It is well known that the launchers located here can be used for Tomahawk cruise missiles - strike offensive systems.

In addition, the United States is developing the Standard-6 universal missile, which, along with solving the problems of air defense and missile defense, can hit both ground and surface targets. That is, the supposedly defensive US missile defense system is expanding and new offensive capabilities are emerging.

The information we have gives every reason to believe that Ukraine's entry into NATO and the subsequent deployment of NATO facilities here is a foregone conclusion, it is a matter of time. We clearly understand that under such a scenario, the level of military threats to Russia will rise dramatically, many times over. And, I pay special attention, the danger of a sudden strike against our country will increase many times over.
Let me explain that the American strategic planning documents (documents!) contain the possibility of a so-called preemptive strike against enemy missile systems. And who is the main enemy for the US and NATO, we also know. It's Russia. In NATO documents, our country is officially and directly declared the main threat to Euro-Atlantic security. And Ukraine will serve as a forward springboard for such a strike. If our ancestors had heard about this, they probably simply would not have believed it. And today we don't want to believe it, but it's true. I want this to be understood both in Russia and in Ukraine.

Many Ukrainian airfields are located close to our borders. NATO tactical aviation stationed here, including carriers of high-precision weapons, will be able to hit our territory to the depth of the Volgograd-Kazan-Samara-Astrakhan line. The deployment of radar reconnaissance assets on the territory of Ukraine will allow NATO to tightly control the airspace of Russia right up to the Urals.

Finally, after the United States broke the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the Pentagon is already openly developing a whole range of ground-based strike weapons, including ballistic missiles capable of reaching targets at a distance of up to 5,500 kilometers. If such systems are deployed in Ukraine, they will be able to hit objects throughout the European territory of Russia, as well as beyond the Urals. The flight time to Moscow for Tomahawk cruise missiles will be less than 35 minutes, for ballistic missiles from the Kharkov region - 7-8 minutes, and for hypersonic strike weapons - 4-5 minutes. This is called, directly "knife to the throat." And they, no doubt, expect to realize these plans, just as they have repeatedly done in past years, expanding NATO to the east, moving military infrastructure and equipment to Russian borders, completely ignoring our concerns, protests and warnings. Sorry, they just spit on them and did whatever they wanted, whatever they saw fit.

And of course, they also intend to continue to behave according to the well-known saying: "The dog barks, but the caravan moves on." I will say right away that we did not agree to this and will never agree. At the same time, Russia has always advocated and advocates that the most difficult problems be resolved by political and diplomatic methods, at the negotiating table.

We are well aware of our colossal responsibility for regional and global stability. Back in 2008, Russia put forward an initiative to conclude a European Security Treaty. Its meaning was that not a single state and not a single international organization in the Euro-Atlantic could strengthen its security at the expense of the security of others. However, our proposal was rejected out of the blue: it is impossible, they say, to allow Russia to limit the activities of NATO.

Moreover, we were explicitly told that only members of the North Atlantic Alliance can have legally binding security guarantees.

Last December, we handed over to our Western partners a draft treaty between the Russian Federation and the United States of America on security guarantees, as well as a draft agreement on measures to ensure the security of the Russian Federation and NATO member states.

There were many common words in response from the US and NATO. Rational grains were also contained, but all this concerned secondary points and looked like an attempt to shake up the issue, divert the discussion to the side.

We responded to this in an appropriate way, stressing that we are ready to follow the path of negotiations, however, on the condition that all issues are considered as a whole, as a package, without being separated from the main, basic Russian proposals. And they contain three key points. The first is to prevent further NATO expansion. The second is the refusal of the Alliance to deploy strike weapons systems on Russian borders. And finally, the return of the bloc's military potential and infrastructure in Europe to the state of 1997, when the Russia-NATO Founding Act was signed.
It is precisely these fundamental proposals of ours that have been ignored. The Western partners, I repeat, once again voiced the learned formulas that each state has the right to freely choose ways to ensure its security and enter into any military alliances and alliances. That is, nothing has changed in their position, the same references to the notorious “open door” policy of NATO are heard. Moreover, they are again trying to blackmail us, they are again threatening with sanctions, which, by the way, they will still introduce as Russia's sovereignty strengthens and the power of our Armed Forces grows. And a pretext for another sanctions attack will always be found or simply fabricated, regardless of the situation in Ukraine. There is only one goal - to restrain the development of Russia. And they will do it, as they did before, even without any formal pretext at all, only because.

I would like to say clearly and directly: in the current situation, when our proposals for an equal dialogue on fundamental issues have actually gone unanswered by the United States and NATO, when the level of threats to our country is growing significantly, Russia has every right to take retaliatory measures to ensure its own security. That is exactly what we will do.

As for the state of affairs in the Donbass, we see that the ruling elite in Kiev constantly and publicly declares its unwillingness to implement the Minsk Package of Measures to resolve the conflict, and is not interested in a peaceful solution. On the contrary, it is trying to organize a blitzkrieg in the Donbass again, as it already happened in 2014 and 2015. How these adventures ended then, we remember.

Now practically not a single day goes by without shelling of settlements in Donbass. The formed large military group constantly uses attack drones, heavy equipment, rockets, artillery and multiple rocket launchers. The killing of civilians, the blockade, the abuse of people, including children, women, the elderly, does not stop. As we say, there is no end in sight to this.

And the so-called civilized world, of which our Western colleagues self-appointedly declared themselves to be the only representatives, prefers not to notice this, as if all this horror, the genocide, to which almost 4 million people are subjected, does not exist, and only because these people did not agree with the supported West coup in Ukraine in 2014, opposed the elevated to the rank of state movement in the direction of the cave and aggressive nationalism and neo-Nazism. And they are fighting for their elementary rights - to live on their own land, to speak their own language, to preserve their culture and traditions.

How long can this tragedy continue? How much longer can you endure this? Russia has done everything to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine, all these years persistently and patiently fought for the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 2202 of February 17, 2015, which consolidated the Minsk Package of Measures of February 12, 2015 to resolve the situation in Donbas.

Everything is in vain. Presidents and Rada deputies change, but the essence, the aggressive, nationalistic character of the regime itself, which seized power in Kiev, does not change. It is entirely and completely a product of the 2014 coup d'etat, and those who then embarked on the path of violence, bloodshed, lawlessness did not recognize and do not recognize any other solution to the Donbass issue, except for the military one.

In this regard, I consider it necessary to take a long overdue decision to immediately recognize the independence and sovereignty of the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic.

I ask the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation to support this decision and then ratify the Treaty of Friendship and Mutual Assistance with both republics. These two documents will be prepared and signed in the very near future.

And from those who seized and hold power in Kiev, we demand an immediate cessation of hostilities. Otherwise, all responsibility for the possible continuation of the bloodshed will be entirely on the conscience of the regime ruling on the territory of Ukraine.

Announcing the decisions taken today, I am confident in the support of the citizens of Russia, all the patriotic forces of the country.

Thank you for your attention.


source (http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67828)

[Zamolxe]

Speech made by Kenya's UN ambassador yesterday.
https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1495978202728210435

I consider it similar to the points I was trying to make in this post
here

[Zamolxe]

Instead, people are praising Putin as a great leader and express no criticism of the annexations, as the ambassador said, looking ever backwards into history with a dangerous nostalgia.
In 2022, praising the same mentality that brought us 2 world wars only in the previous century.


Now, regarding the people of Donbass, if indeed you consider it absolutely necessary for them to secede...

Is there no other alternative to supporting an armed insurrection, shelling of civilians, unilaterally annexing territories that belong to a sovereign state, rolling in with tanks?
Are we really that uncivilized in the 21st century that we cannot do this peacefully?

If it must come to secession, can we not have a democratic and peaceful process like the following?

Democratically elect local and national politicians that share our vision.
Initiate nation-wide dialogue.
Initiate a lengthy debate and information campaign so that people can make an informed decision at the next step.
Initiate local and state referendums

If there is a decision to secede:

Initiate an audit and begin arbitration and compensation steps

(For example, if the area that secedes received more investments from the central government than they contribute with taxes. What if the central government built a $10 billion factory with the tax money of all the citizens of that country. Can the villagers where the factory is placed just secede the day after it is built? And take with them the whole investment?)
Initiate a peaceful transfer of power



Even then, with a peaceful process, there still are doubts about such a decision.

What if in your next-door apartment there are immigrant neighbors that just came to the country. Could that apartment secede and join their motherland?


What is the percentage of the population that they need to reach in order for such a claim to become justified?

How big should the territory be? An apartment? A building? A neighbourhood? A region?

How long should that population have been there for? A year? 10? 100?

Who can judge these criteria? Is there a rule book?

You know that there are areas in each big city where specific minorities are "majorities", right? All over the world. Could those territories secede?
Can all the "Chinatowns" in the world secede and join China? Can China rollup with tanks everywhere?

How long does a territory have to be inhabited by russians (after their forced migration by the state) so that it becomes open to russian annexation?

Let me just give a demographic example of Crimea from the 19th century, before the soviet Tatar deportations and forced russian migration:

Ethnic group________1785_____1795_____1816_____1835_____1850
Russians___________2.2%_____4.3%_____4.8%_____4.4%_____6.6%
Ukrainians___________________1.3%_____3.6%_____3.1%_____7%
Crimean Tatars______84.1%____87.6%____85.9%____83.5%____77.8%

[TomKat]

An interesting aside, t
Biden, who [sometimes] can't even remember Obama's name


:)


Biden doesn't need to know who Obama is, because he has all the Obama neocons to advise him, like Victoria Nuland who tried in vain to get Obama to invade Ukraine.

[indiana]

Instead, people are praising Putin as a great leader and express no criticism of the annexations, as the ambassador said, looking ever backwards into history with a dangerous nostalgia.
In 2022, praising the same mentality that brought us 2 world wars only in the previous century.


Now, regarding the people of Donbass, if indeed you consider it absolutely necessary for them to secede...

Is there no other alternative to supporting an armed insurrection, shelling of civilians, unilaterally annexing territories that belong to a sovereign state, rolling in with tanks?
Are we really that uncivilized in the 21st century that we cannot do this peacefully?

If it must come to secession, can we not have a democratic and peaceful process like the following?

Democratically elect local and national politicians that share our vision.
Initiate nation-wide dialogue.
Initiate a lengthy debate and information campaign so that people can make an informed decision at the next step.
Initiate local and state referendums

If there is a decision to secede:

Initiate an audit and begin arbitration and compensation steps

(For example, if the area that secedes received more investments from the central government than they contribute with taxes. What if the central government built a $10 billion factory with the tax money of all the citizens of that country. Can the villagers where the factory is placed just secede the day after it is built? And take with them the whole investment?)
Initiate a peaceful transfer of power



Even then, with a peaceful process, there still are doubts about such a decision.

What if in your next-door apartment there are immigrant neighbors that just came to the country. Could that apartment secede and join their motherland?


What is the percentage of the population that they need to reach in order for such a claim to become justified?

How big should the territory be? An apartment? A building? A neighbourhood? A region?

How long should that population have been there for? A year? 10? 100?

Who can judge these criteria? Is there a rule book?

You know that there are areas in each big city where specific minorities are "majorities", right? All over the world. Could those territories secede?
Can all the "Chinatowns" in the world secede and join China? Can China rollup with tanks everywhere?

How long does a territory have to be inhabited by russians (after their forced migration by the state) so that it becomes open to russian annexation?

Let me just give a demographic example of Crimea from the 19th century, before the soviet Tatar deportations and forced russian migration:

Ethnic group________1785_____1795_____1816_____1835_____1850
Russians___________2.2%_____4.3%_____4.8%_____4.4%_____6.6%
Ukrainians___________________1.3%_____3.6%_____3.1%_____7%
Crimean Tatars______84.1%____87.6%____85.9%____83.5%____77.8%

With such a "fresh" conflict - the last 8 years - i don't think either side had any real appetite for a genuinely peaceful resolution. Some would of course, but those voices tend to get drowned out by the louder more aggressive voices. It's hard to see how, unlike Crimea, this new situation will bed down without conflict. And like many other countries where strikingly similar conditions occurred, it may take decades of a continuous low level dark war to happen, which will only sap the life energy from many. Who knows, if enough pain is collectively experienced, what you're suggesting could have happened may well happen then. That's if this whole thing doesn't develop into a much much larger war.

A curious thing I noted around the time of Crimea being annexed... I know a few pretty staunch Irish Republicans who were saying that a vote was taken by those in Crimea and they choose to join Russia. I think they were thinking of themselves and seeing how the north of Ireland could be rejoined with the south of Ireland. They seemed to think that what happened was perfectly legit. I pointed out that what happened to their ancestors was pretty close to what happened to the Tatars... that is that the native Irish in the north of Ireland were booted off the land and settlers from the UK were shipped in. The settlers then outnumbered the native Irish... and still do to this day (altho not by much anymore). They couldn't seem to see the parallels at all. Imagine if the Irish were to invade the UK, boot most of the UK people out, move in themselves, then hold a vote a year later in the UK about joining Ireland, would that seriously be considered a bona fide vote, expression of democracy? Anyway, as always, i've more questions than answers!

[Open Minded Dude]

"It's the economy, stupid". USA wins, Europe and Russia loses. We pay a high price (gas price to be more exact).


The German government has suspended certification of Nord Stream 2 and it is questionable whether the pipeline can ever come online. This is a victory for the USA, which wants to prevent Nord Stream 2 and sell its more expensive fracked gas in Europe. But it also means the end of supply security in Europe and, of course, billions in compensation payments for the federal budget. But let's take it one step at a time.

The victory of the USA

The champagne corks are certainly popping in Washington at the moment, because Russia's recognition of the Donbass republics is like a Christmas present for the USA. The U.S. skillfully backed Russia into a corner until Russia had no choice but to recognize the republics. But that should not be the topic here.

Why the recognition is a reason for the USA to celebrate is quickly explained, one only has to consider the interests of the USA. The geostrategists in Washington have already in the 90s issued the goal to separate Russia and Ukraine from each other, because according to Zbigniew Brzeziński, one of the most influential US geostrategists of the time, Russia with Ukraine is a world power, but without Ukraine only an insignificant regional power.

Keeping in mind the goal of separating Russia and Ukraine, the U.S. has been very successful since 2014. After the Maidan, Ukraine's radical nationalist governments cut economic ties with Russia to Ukraine's detriment, and Ukraine started the civil war in the Donbass by sending tanks instead of a negotiating delegation.

(...)

Source (German): https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/nord-stream-2-gestoppt-der-sieg-der-usa-und-das-ende-der-versorgungssicherheit/

(I use Deepl.Com as translator now since strangely Googletranslate now refuses to translate Roeper's website, an accident? I have my doubts.)

[Open Minded Dude]

Just watched this as a premiere on my favourite alternative channel Nuoviso / Nuoflix.

This documentary from 2015 has just been made public by Nuoviso today. It is still relatively up-to-date although some political puppets are different today of course, no more Poroshenko or Merkel for example.

It is said in alternative groups to be the best documentary about what happened in Ukraine in 2014-15 and when the war started. It would have won journalistic prizes for sure if it had supported the Mainstream narrative.

For English speakers there is an English subtitled version (turn on translations but also automatic translation under settings) for most of the interview sections in German. Besides this, a lot of Russian and (I assume) Ukrainian is also spoken in interviews and original war footage and sometimes in interviews also English.

Warning: It is really hard stuff as it shows war atrocities and even dead children. It is done by an embedded journalist with the Donbass rebel army.

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[indiana]

Just watched this as a premiere on my favourite alternative channel Nuoviso / Nuoflix.

This documentary from 2015 has just been made public by Nuoviso today. It is still relatively up-to-date although some political puppets are different today of course, no more Poroshenko or Merkel for example.

It is said in alternative groups to be the best documentary about what happened in Ukraine in 2014-15 and when the war started. It would have won journalistic prizes for sure if it had supported the Mainstream narrative.

For English speakers there is an English subtitled version (turn on translations but also automatic translation under settings) for most of the interview sections in German. Besides this, a lot of Russian and (I assume) Ukrainian is also spoken in interviews and original war footage and sometimes in interviews also English.

Warning: It is really hard stuff as it shows war atrocities and even dead children. It is done by an embedded journalist with the Donbass rebel army.

Y73OCZvgBlU


Excellent documentary, thanks! An eye opener.

[meat suit]

Just watched this as a premiere on my favourite alternative channel Nuoviso / Nuoflix.

This documentary from 2015 has just been made public by Nuoviso today. It is still relatively up-to-date although some political puppets are different today of course, no more Poroshenko or Merkel for example.

It is said in alternative groups to be the best documentary about what happened in Ukraine in 2014-15 and when the war started. It would have won journalistic prizes for sure if it had supported the Mainstream narrative.

For English speakers there is an English subtitled version (turn on translations but also automatic translation under settings) for most of the interview sections in German. Besides this, a lot of Russian and (I assume) Ukrainian is also spoken in interviews and original war footage and sometimes in interviews also English.

Warning: It is really hard stuff as it shows war atrocities and even dead children. It is done by an embedded journalist with the Donbass rebel army.

Y73OCZvgBlU


Excellent documentary, thanks! An eye opener.

yes absolutely. I finally understand what is happening in that region.

[Zamolxe]

A screenshot from the RT livestream (https://youtube.com/watch?v=V0I5eglJMRI). These are flags and fireworks in Donbass... not mortar fire. :)

https://projectavalon.net/Fireworks_in_Donbass.jpg

Let's show the crowd also, not only the sky.

More newscameras than people... Funny how they all seem to wear olive green jackets from the military store.

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[ExomatrixTV]

It’s Hard To Believe This Is Happening:

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As Joe Biden escalates tensions over Ukraine, is this latest potential war being used to divert American public attention from government corruption and incompetence?

[Mashika]

"‘The government demands just one narrative’ – Peter Ford on UK asking Ofcom to consider banning RT"
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[jaybee]

Predictably all the newspapers in the UK have front page headlines ramping up aggression towards Putin and Russia - I'm not sure how much of it all the public are buying because a lot of people are wising up to the dangerous shenanigans of the Globalist Agenda driven MSM....

No sooner has the fear mongering about 'covid' died down a bit than they start on this .... it's quite possible that they (in my case the British Government re the UK) will get us all killed if they engineer a war with Russia and it escalates out of control -

Am I succumbing to the fear mongering?? - I'm not sure - the dangers are real - more bloody real than any flu virus hyped through the roof - :(

[Bill Ryan]

The first few minutes of this new Fox News clip may be useful to many who'd appreciate a simple, crystal-clear presentation of the geography of the area, and (assuming this is accurate, which it probably is) of the location of Russia's forces and the huge strategic advantage that they have.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX6tsSE1rwU

[indiana]

Workers Party broadcast with George Galloway discussing Ukraine/Russia hbQfs-kTyAk

[Bill Ryan]

By the way: readers engaged in this pretty important (and potentially confusing) topic may also appreciate Wade Frazier's comments on his own thread, the most recent being this one (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=1484674&viewfull=1#post1484674), posted a few minutes ago. Recommended. :highfive:

[Hermoor]

Predictably all the newspapers in the UK have front page headlines ramping up aggression towards Putin and Russia - I'm not sure how much of it all the public are buying because a lot of people are wising up to the dangerous shenanigans of the Globalist Agenda driven MSM....

No sooner has the fear mongering about 'covid' died down a bit than they start on this .... it's quite possible that they (in my case the British Government re the UK) will get us all killed if they engineer a war with Russia and it escalates out of control -

Am I succumbing to the fear mongering?? - I'm not sure - the dangers are real - more bloody real than any flu virus hyped through the roof - :(

I had many of the same thoughts running through my mind today.

The propaganda and fear mongering for war appears to be going through the roof in the UK. Not a good sign. At all.

On the other hand it may well all blow over just in time for the insane bioterrorists to catch a break whilst they seed the next wave of goodness only knows what.

[Hermoor]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMTgJ_7XwAcSt0m?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Mashika]

"Ukrainian president says he called Kremlin"
https://www.rt.com/russia/550401-zelensky-kremlin-donbass-peace/



Volodymyr Zelensky claims he tried to reach Vladimir Putin over Donbass, but was met with silence

I wonder why...



Zelensky claimed that Ukraine is not, was not, and never will be a threat to Russians, but only wants the right to self-determination and security for itself.

But this is the opposite of what they have been doing for years, with all the claims and day by day threats, even going into the nuclear threat. I don't think he's fit for president if he can't keep the narrative straight for more than a day, just like the US government can't, with their talk of 'diplomacy' while they keep looking for ways to cause harm and hurt people in all possible ways no matter what, just to advance their plans to make everyone poor and dependant on US directions and control + fake help.

"The right for self-determination" is what drove the people in Donbass to reject the coup nazi government....



“We don’t need war, whether cold or hot or hybrid. But if an army comes at us, if they try to take away our country, our freedom, our lives and the lives of our children, we will defend ourselves,” he said.

Looks to me, word by word, like that's exactly what the people in Donbass has been doing all these years, since the US backed Nazi coup of 2014

With international diplomacy, it is well understood that the country who initiates the call, is the weaker positioned one. I don't know if Zelensky is aware of this, or if the bosses at the White House allowed this call at all. What was the purpose of the call? Looks very odd at this moment, as he doesn't seem to be in control of anything happening anymore

Perhaps, the army coup that has been rumoured before is actually becoming true, and he has realised that he's not truly in control and his life is in danger, that the Nazi army will take the country over and he will be left to the side by the US allies?

He's acting odd, why would he make such a call after all the things he has said the past days, and even his attempt at taking Russia out of the UN entirely?

Or perhaps is all fake, like the fake news about the 'any minute now' invasion that never happened

It does look like since there was no invasion, the US has changed the meaning of the word to mean "acknowledging Donbass republics is Ukraine's invasion", so now they can lie openly about "the invasion did happen just as we said".

Syria has also invaded Ukraine, if we follow the faulty US logic. Any country that acknowledges the Donbass republics has now invaded Ukraine :facepalm:

Hopefully the western public won't bite into this almost retarded rethoric , but there probably will be millions who do and start repeating it all over, sadly

[Vangelo]

My Daughter in Law's family lives in Kharkiv Ukraine which is 30 miles from Russian border. There are reports of tracer bullets and explosions.

Kharkiv is the 2nd largest city in Ukraine

[Mashika]

My Daughter in Law's family lives in Kharkiv Ukraine which is 30 miles from Russian border. There are reports of tracer bullets and explosions.

Kharkiv is the 2nd largest city in Ukraine

Those are happening

But warning and FYI, a lot of videos from 2014 are being posted online, pretending to be "from current Russia's invasion of Ukraine" or related, this is not the case, there are no Russian troops around, so it's fake. Satellites, Ukrainian army plus people would had all to be blind through weeks as to not see an army coming into the city's direction

I don't know yet what's going on there but don't fall for the lies posted on the web, there's a lot of disinformation going on right now

[Mashika]

Have to add that it seems very suspicious that Zelensky "called" Putin, then ordered all flights to stand down, then these event occurs and now they are saying "rockets and planes are above Kharkiv

It's a very convenient sequence of events, and why did he land all civilian flights just before the attack happened? People are saying they hear planes flying above the city, how did that happen without any early alarm? Does Ukraine have an air force? They actually do, so an explanation is needed i supposed

Some reporters from CNN were posting first that they did not know what the explosions where, *on video*. Then the claim that planes were flying above were made, but this time, they don't have any video at all. This is also suspicious, why no video if you were filming already?

I find it very unlikely that you as a journalist were filming yourself talking and hearing explosions, then claim there are planes above and would stop recording entirely. Why do that?

[gord]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84BRzgUaLgI

[Mashika]

Now there's confirmation something is truly happening

"Russia reveals strike targets in Ukraine"
https://www.rt.com/russia/550419-mod-strike-targets-ukraine/


Ukrainian military facilities are being hit by Russian precision weapons, the defense ministry said




The military said that Russia was not attacking Ukrainian cities, contrary to claims that say otherwise. Ukrainian civilians are not under threat, the statement said.


But don't believe all videos and stuff posted online, there's a lot of fakes and it will muddle the waters, i don't trust anything "official", and you should not at all as well

On telegram i read that the following have fallen already

Odessa
Mariupol

But this is not confirmed as far as i can tell, i can't find any info other than telegram channels talking about it

I read that the Mariupol patrols resigned their positions before anything had happened, they knew beforehand and just quit on the spot. But also again this is on Telegram channels and if anything i read that hours ago, way before these news came up

[Mashika]

Everything is so scripted, i don't know if you see it but i do. It's like a play

- Zelensky speaks up, then the US/UK follows with chest thumping
- Putin replies with more chest thumping
- Zelensky replies with more of the same stuff
- Here there goes Putin once again

This seems so perfectly calculated to the point that it looks fabricated, the timing of saying "all flights stand down" and then the attack comes. Did they previously agreed on time for this? Where is the Ukrainian Airforce? Vacation time? So odd

On Telegram, it is now being said that the entire Ukranian Navy is down, along with the main strategic points, so Ukraine is down and the soldiers in Donbass are retreating back to Ukraine with some fights here and there, but they are retreating otherwise. No Ukraine fighter jets are on the air and no navy is on the move, they seem to be completely grounded. Isn't this odd?

So it took 1 hour and a half to completely disable the Ukranian army, this is not logical at all, unless the army cooperated with this?

Has the Ukrainian army betrayed the government, maybe?

[Denise/Dizi]

And it begins...

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[Mashika]

Only military positions have been hit, no city on Ukraine has been bombed, there are reporters and videos coming up and everything is normal


https://t.me/rt_russian/94291

There are long car lines on Kiev to get gas before it runs out. Don't know where they will go but seems a lot of people are trying to leave the big cities

A message to Zelensky has been posted online and it's getting shared just now



President Zelensky made an appeal to Ukrainians and Russians.

I will not comment on the appeal to Ukrainians, but I will focus on the Russian part. Zelensky asks how he will bomb Donbass if he went to the local stadium, drank with friends in the park, if his friends and his citizens are there, looking at the camera with sincere eyes. He said that the Russians don't know what these places are, and therefore why they should fight there. And he knows.

Well, good. Vladimir Alexandrovich, what has been happening in the Donbass for the last eight years? From whom did the shells come? According to the UN, during this time, 13,400 people have died in places so dear to your heart. Do you know who shot at them? Otherwise, it turns out that you are either lying, or the military command of your country simply spits on your orders and does what it wants.

You claim that Russians don't know anything about the names of cities and places that you list. Perhaps. But all Russians know where the House of Trade Unions is, because people were burned alive there. All Russians know Gorlovka and the Gorlovka Madonna - a girl with a child killed by a Ukrainian shell. All Russians remember Debaltseve, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk. We didn't drink beer there and didn't cheer for football teams. We watched in impotent rage as our people died there. Now these are the places of our pain.

Russians don't start wars. The Russians are finishing them. I hope we'll finish this one quickly.

[Mashika]

There's way too much information coming across, impossible to show it all in real time

This channel may have valuable information, but i do doubt some of their claims, still it seems to have serious links as far as i can see

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary

ASB Military News, and found with same name on Telegram if needed (they had been blocked a day or two ago by Twitter)

[Mashika]

I'm sorry for this funny post, amongst the terrible situation going on, but this guy is a newbie lol

https://t.me/donbassr/12649

"It's a f*king missile, we have to go inside!"

Yeah dude, going inside means nothing at this level, you should have been briefed about it.

If you see a missile flying above and you want to quit, then you are no war correspondent guy, i'm sorry but you are not. Imagine having to see the worst of it

It's not the same as when you saw the news about Iraq, Syria or the other hundred countries destroyed by the US empire than being in a war zone when you feel unprotected, see the difference? That's how millions have felt over so many decades, time for some introspection dude :P

But i doubt it will happen, the wondering and realisation that "this is how it feels on the other side"

[Mashika]

And it begins...

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It began 8 years ago, unfortunately. It just took this time for it to be "real" for you guys, for me it was real since 2013, and for millions on Donbass as well

But since it wasn't of concern for the US government back then it was ignored and put on the "will look into it later, maybe" list. Most people don't understand how that feels

You see this as a new thing, but you don't understand how it truly came to this, it has been hidden from you. The misery and killing of thousands up to this point that no one told you about are very true, the UN knew about this, they had the evidence and reports full of pictures and videos and names and they chose to look away. This is what happens after years of ignoring a real crisis and accept the one created on purpose. The people at Donbass still don't have a voice, but they may have it soon, history will judge the crimes committed against them

[Zamolxe]

So after time and time again of me proving without a doubt the disinformation that was being spread on this forum, no action has been taken.

After repeatedly showing how lies are presented as facts, posts are misrepresented, obvious false flags are swept under the rug, hundreds of videos of the russian buildup were being ignored.... all that was done by the Avalon team was to point me out as a provocateur.

No action against the account that was spreading lies and launching in unprovoked attacks against me.

And after all this, you kept praising Putin as a great strategist. The dictator that just signed the death sentence of possibly tens of thousands of people.

This used to be a place where we valued human lives and opposed military invasions of sovereign countries. The hypocrisy is absolutely heart breaking.

Let's see how you spin it this time.

It makes me sick.

Maybe this is finally the moment you all realize that you are being grossly manipulated and the people you trusted are nothing but propaganda tools. Remember everyone that has been saying "nothing to see here" these past weeks.

Bombs have just been dropped 100km away from my border. My ukrainian and russian friends and brothers are now killing each other because of a mad man's dreams of imperialism. And it has all been abetted by the PR campaign waged here and everywhere else on the internet.

Reminder:


PS: This disinformation campaign is used to justify an invasion of Russia into Ukraine. This war will lead to massive loss of life, both civilians and military personnel. We all have to do whatever we can to bring light over the lies and try to impede these warmongering neocons however we can. Tens of thousands of lives are at risk. [...]
These lies are comparable to the WMD narrative that pushed the Iraq invasion. All the people helping the disinformation campaign will have blood on their hands.
Hold them accountable!

Anyone can just go back to the post quoted here and check the recap I made at that time. That's if you don't have the time to read the entire thread. It's truly mind blowing

[Mashika]

Can't argue with that

https://twitter.com/jmcevoy_2/status/1496539362351271937

The US invaded Iraq and killed around one million people on a lie. Yet they feel they need to protect a Nazi army in their quest to cleanse around 3 million people out of Donbass

Makes perfect sense

https://twitter.com/jmcevoy_2/status/1496553178606804996

[Mashika]

Just seen this



We are standing in formation. We are ready to go further, wherever the command says, to liberate our land.

"My separate greetings to Akhmetov, Kravchuk, Zelensky and other bastards. You could have followed the path of Lukashenka, but you went the other way. What will happen to you next will be decided by the Russian people and the people's Court. Denazification has begun."

Military commander and Honored Journalist of the DPR Gennady Dubovoy told the correspondent of the Donbass channel.




No mention of Petro Poroshenko? Have to mention that he was mentioned as leader of a coup in the works earlier this year and even in 2021. I still wonder how easy it was for the Ukrainian army to fall at this high level.

Is this a coup? Has Petro Poroshenko arranged help from Russia to take out the current government?

[Mashika]

There is another post that claims the two Airbus plains meant for Zelensky and associated + family have been taken, not destroyed but "taken"

But this brings up more questions. How could they be taken? Does this means confirmation that a coup is in the works? Who toke those planes? Russian troops are not on the ground neither on Kiev or Lyiv. So, who took them to avoid Zelensky leaving the country?

[9ideon]

There is another post that claims the two Airbus plains meant for Zelensky and associated + family have been taken, not destroyed but "taken"

But this brings up more questions. How could they be taken? Does this means confirmation that a coup is in the works? Who toke those planes? Russian troops are not on the ground neither on Kiev or Lyiv. So, who took them to avoid Zelensky leaving the country?

There were unconfirmed reports Russian Paras were already taking airports (civilian) in Kiev etc. Seems strange though, but not completely unlikely.

[Mashika]

There is another post that claims the two Airbus plains meant for Zelensky and associated + family have been taken, not destroyed but "taken"

But this brings up more questions. How could they be taken? Does this means confirmation that a coup is in the works? Who toke those planes? Russian troops are not on the ground neither on Kiev or Lyiv. So, who took them to avoid Zelensky leaving the country?

There were unconfirmed reports Russian Paras were already taking airports (civilian) in Kiev etc. Seems strange though, but not completely unlikely.

Yes, the entire Ukrainian Air Force seems to be down, but i don't get it, why? Why are not they fighting back? It doesn't make any sense

[Mashika]

As a very clear note, and to make sure nothing i say sounds "propaganda"

I don't collaborate or accept the way Russia's army works, and neither do i with Ukraine's army (specially) or with the Donbass republics

I reject war in all ways, as i have been through it and i have my own share of hurt out of it

I don't accept what is going on, but i do accept the people in Donbass needed desperate help since almost 10 years ago, and no one cared, not the UN, not NATO, not Russia, not the US, not anyone. And this, for me, is unacceptable.

This is the result of years of death and abuse, this is what happens when people choses money over life

Now we see this, and people still don't care, *they don't know the reality of this situation*. What is happening here will probably never be truly understood

[9ideon]

There is another post that claims the two Airbus plains meant for Zelensky and associated + family have been taken, not destroyed but "taken"

But this brings up more questions. How could they be taken? Does this means confirmation that a coup is in the works? Who toke those planes? Russian troops are not on the ground neither on Kiev or Lyiv. So, who took them to avoid Zelensky leaving the country?

There were unconfirmed reports Russian Paras were already taking airports (civilian) in Kiev etc. Seems strange though, but not completely unlikely.

Yes, the entire Ukrainian Air Force seems to be down, but i don't get it, why? Why are not they fighting back? It doesn't make any sense

I guess that's what you get for not informing not only the Civilians but also playing down the importance of Russian troops at Ukrainian border. That actor' s refusal to fully mobilize their armed forces (fully, all man/women etc) has probably not gone down well with a lot of Ukrainians. He was using strong words, like "We will beat Russia", etc. well.... Actors stay actors I guess, People alive around the '80's understand, I'll be referring especially to the so called war on drugs, the actor telling People all kinds of crap while a 3 letter agency flew coke in by the Millions.

It also needs to be over fast is my impression, I had said 72 hrs- 10 days, well....

China is preparing a surprise for Nato as well.

[Mashika]

Ukraine is the sacrificial pawn, nothing more nothing less

I don't believe this is 'sudden'

[Mashika]

Russian tanks are passing into Kharkov without any resistance -- says units stationed in villages along the way have offered "no resistance"
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496742383383371776

[9ideon]

Ukraine is the sacrificial pawn, nothing more nothing less

I don't believe this is 'sudden'

I agree, this has been planned very well and beyond, I do not expect Russia to just secure its borders and not being prepared for the fallout of things. Nato has expected this as well, problem is that the system we live under is so frikkin' corrupt that our so called leaders are only thinking about money, money and oooh yes, money and how to take it from People quickly so they can control us (Psychopath' s MO).

It's going to get really interesting.

And yes People dying is horrible, the problem however remains, look at how many have perished for greed and will in the coming years. I hope People in countries on our side will rise up and depose these feckers.

[Mashika]

If the Ukrainian army is deflecting to the Russian side, how is this going to work out when NATO comes trying to "fix things"?

[9ideon]

If the Ukrainian army is deflecting to the Russian side, how is this going to work out when NATO comes trying to "fix things"?

If Nato comes it'll be destroyed, I am fully convinced most of my scenario will come to pass (posted while ago), one can never be completely right, but still, since I posted it I updated it, some movements are happening, I might have been wrong about India though, I could see them joining the Block Alliance, they are a wildcard at the moment, same as Hungary, they would like some land back from Ukraine and they HATE Soros, well the Hungarian govt does.

Another thing is that the reluctance of Ukrainian troops fighting Russia might simply be because the Propaganda of the West and Ukraine has shown to be False.

[Mashika]

https://t.me/rentv_news/35342



Military expert Viktor Litovkin commented on the situation in the Donbas and said that the operation of forcing Ukraine to peace has begun.

"The power in the country, at least in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, will be taken by those people who will be on the side of good. Those who will respect the right of people to self-determination, to the right of people to own their own language, to the election of the authorities they trust and who will not mock them, which will allow them to teach children in their native language, to live peacefully, calmly, developing, building their destiny as they see fit," he said.


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If the Ukrainian army is deflecting to the Russian side, how is this going to work out when NATO comes trying to "fix things"?

If Nato comes it'll be destroyed, I am fully convinced most of my scenario will come to pass (posted while ago), one can never be completely right, but still, since I posted it I updated it, some movements are happening, I might have been wrong about India though, I could see them joining the Block Alliance, they are a wildcard at the moment, same as Hungary, they would like some land back from Ukraine and they HATE Soros, well the Hungarian govt does.

Another thing is that the reluctance of Ukrainian troops fighting Russia might simply be because the Propaganda of the West and Ukraine has shown to be False.

France is also a wildcard. It does look like not every country buys the propaganda, but some of them pretend to buy it while making their own plans to skip later in the near future

[9ideon]

https://t.me/rentv_news/35342



Military expert Viktor Litovkin commented on the situation in the Donbas and said that the operation of forcing Ukraine to peace has begun.

"The power in the country, at least in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, will be taken by those people who will be on the side of good. Those who will respect the right of people to self-determination, to the right of people to own their own language, to the election of the authorities they trust and who will not mock them, which will allow them to teach children in their native language, to live peacefully, calmly, developing, building their destiny as they see fit," he said.


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If the Ukrainian army is deflecting to the Russian side, how is this going to work out when NATO comes trying to "fix things"?

If Nato comes it'll be destroyed, I am fully convinced most of my scenario will come to pass (posted while ago), one can never be completely right, but still, since I posted it I updated it, some movements are happening, I might have been wrong about India though, I could see them joining the Block Alliance, they are a wildcard at the moment, same as Hungary, they would like some land back from Ukraine and they HATE Soros, well the Hungarian govt does.

Another thing is that the reluctance of Ukrainian troops fighting Russia might simply be because the Propaganda of the West and Ukraine has shown to be False.

France is also a wildcard. It does look like not every country buys the propaganda, but some of them pretend to buy it while making their own plans to skip later in the near future

Macron is married into the Rotschields. He'll stay the course.

Rutten, Trudeau, Macron, Biden, Johnson and a couple more are all in it together.

[Mashika]

Russian fighter planes are now above Lugansk, two Ukrainian positions have been taken down and the LPR has moved and taken offensive side now. The Ukrainian army is retreating

[Mashika]

The DPR has provided a corridor for the Ukrainian army to deflect and move into Russian territory. Only if they surrender their weapons first

[Mashika]

Current map of air strikes, it does look like the entirety of the Ukraine army + air force is down, they are heavy combat unable as of this minute

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUN-1wGBOReDJSGg8L5f_DHezcBsflSU9mlNqpZnvhicYXZfebtElhKwF-y6SeRj0rMA5OlmJxelFVeewSE1TDVCjoEJbmIGVkt0yYo6mbV8l1qzGBks3gTaTPyyLmdcM2--YCH9tvMCpzJEBkj_Y1j=w800-h507-no?authuser=0

I still wonder, where is the Ukrainian Air Force?

[I am B]

Now its the time it could be escalated like crazy with calls of a false flag by any of both sides.

[9ideon]

Current map of air strikes, it does look like the entirety of the Ukraine army + air force is down, they are heavy combat unable as of this minute

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUN-1wGBOReDJSGg8L5f_DHezcBsflSU9mlNqpZnvhicYXZfebtElhKwF-y6SeRj0rMA5OlmJxelFVeewSE1TDVCjoEJbmIGVkt0yYo6mbV8l1qzGBks3gTaTPyyLmdcM2--YCH9tvMCpzJEBkj_Y1j=w800-h507-no?authuser=0

I still wonder, where is the Ukrainian Air Force?

What if Nato declared Ukraine lost, they'd consolidate fighters etc, Nato loves attacking from the air. I would not be surprised if a lot of troops are now in Poland or even Romania, perhaps some People might be able to confirm this, it's puzzling so.

[Mashika]

Current map of air strikes, it does look like the entirety of the Ukraine army + air force is down, they are heavy combat unable as of this minute

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUN-1wGBOReDJSGg8L5f_DHezcBsflSU9mlNqpZnvhicYXZfebtElhKwF-y6SeRj0rMA5OlmJxelFVeewSE1TDVCjoEJbmIGVkt0yYo6mbV8l1qzGBks3gTaTPyyLmdcM2--YCH9tvMCpzJEBkj_Y1j=w800-h507-no?authuser=0

I still wonder, where is the Ukrainian Air Force?

What if Nato declared Ukraine lost, they'd consolidate fighters etc, Nato loves attacking from the air. I would not be surprised if a lot of troops are now in Poland or even Romania, perhaps some People might be able to confirm this, it's puzzling so.

The 300+ nuclear hypersonic missiles in the Moscow region are a great deterrent. That's a no go, only conventional wars can be fought at this time

[Mashika]

Now its the time it could be escalated like crazy with calls of a false flag by any of both sides.

That time is gone

This is going to be a one way trip, both for them and us, and i don't think they can handle it, honestly

If the Ukraine army turns against Zelesnky as they seem to be doing, then the US is without his "partner" in the game, they will have a hard time reaching Ukraine anymore to land and attack. Strategy says they are done for. They miscalculated, simple as that

But we'll see in the very very near future

[Mashika]

There are reasons posts like this one are being made constantly. I blame the US government, NOT the people of the US, because they don't know what their government is doing out there

https://twitter.com/Comunardo/status/1496523839651655687

[Mashika]

Azov militants (Nazi batallion) have left Mariupol, leaving it to the Russian army

It's not as easy to kill well trained soldiers than kids, Still we beat their fat arrogant asses back then :)

-

Su-27 Fighter planes have deflected to Romania, they chose not to fight

[9ideon]

Azov militants (Nazi batallion) have left Mariupol, leaving it to the Russian army

It's not as easy to kill well trained soldiers than kids, Still we beat their fat arrogant asses back then :)

-

Su-27 Fighter planes have deflected to Romania, they chose not to fight

There ya go, Romania, I wonder what runs round in Poland as well.

[Mashika]

The headquarters of the Ukrainian military operation in Donbass has been almost destroyed, the liberation movement continues.

https://t.me/donbassr/12711

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Azov militants (Nazi batallion) have left Mariupol, leaving it to the Russian army

It's not as easy to kill well trained soldiers than kids, Still we beat their fat arrogant asses back then :)

-

Su-27 Fighter planes have deflected to Romania, they chose not to fight

There ya go, Romania, I wonder what runs round in Poland as well.

Well since they deflected, they can't go anywhere else, the Azov will get them somehow anyway. They're done for, they go into the list of traitors

[Mashika]

There will be lots of fake videos and testimonies and plenty of blah blah blah.

Please get yourself focused, be capable of real discernment and be strong and smart

Like i always say "Think strong, Think Smart, Think Fast" :D

I hope you understand and can discern truth among the million lies that will come soon

[9ideon]

The headquarters of the Ukrainian military operation in Donbass has been almost destroyed, the liberation movement continues.

https://t.me/donbassr/12711

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Azov militants (Nazi batallion) have left Mariupol, leaving it to the Russian army

It's not as easy to kill well trained soldiers than kids, Still we beat their fat arrogant asses back then :)

-

Su-27 Fighter planes have deflected to Romania, they chose not to fight

There ya go, Romania, I wonder what runs round in Poland as well.

Well since they deflected, they can't go anywhere else, the Azov will get them somehow anyway. They're done for, they go into the list of traitors

Azov:

Azov Special Operations Detachment (Ukrainian: Окремий загін спеціального призначення «Азов», romanized: Okremyi zahin spetsialnoho pryznachennia "Azov"), often known as Azov Detachment, Azov Regiment (Ukrainian: Полк Азов, romanized: Polk Azov), or Azov Battalion (until September 2014), is a right-wing extremist and Neo-Nazi Ukrainian National Guard unit, based in Mariupol, in the Azov Sea coastal region. It saw its first combat experience recapturing Mariupol from pro-Russian separatists forces in June 2014. Azov initially formed as a volunteer militia on 5 May 2014 during the Ukrainian crisis. On 12 November 2014, Azov was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, and since then all members are contract soldiers serving in the National Guard of Ukraine.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

You gotta have some serious doubts/thoughts about Ukraine officially including a Nazi type regt into their official armed forces.

[Mashika]

The headquarters of the Ukrainian military operation in Donbass has been almost destroyed, the liberation movement continues.

https://t.me/donbassr/12711

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Azov militants (Nazi batallion) have left Mariupol, leaving it to the Russian army

It's not as easy to kill well trained soldiers than kids, Still we beat their fat arrogant asses back then :)

-

Su-27 Fighter planes have deflected to Romania, they chose not to fight

There ya go, Romania, I wonder what runs round in Poland as well.

Well since they deflected, they can't go anywhere else, the Azov will get them somehow anyway. They're done for, they go into the list of traitors

Azov:

Azov Special Operations Detachment (Ukrainian: Окремий загін спеціального призначення «Азов», romanized: Okremyi zahin spetsialnoho pryznachennia "Azov"), often known as Azov Detachment, Azov Regiment (Ukrainian: Полк Азов, romanized: Polk Azov), or Azov Battalion (until September 2014), is a right-wing extremist and Neo-Nazi Ukrainian National Guard unit, based in Mariupol, in the Azov Sea coastal region. It saw its first combat experience recapturing Mariupol from pro-Russian separatists forces in June 2014. Azov initially formed as a volunteer militia on 5 May 2014 during the Ukrainian crisis. On 12 November 2014, Azov was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, and since then all members are contract soldiers serving in the National Guard of Ukraine.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

You gotta have some serious doubts/thoughts about Ukraine officially including a Nazi type regt into their official armed forces.

Yep, and anyone who leaves the combat line, it's meant to die, those are the rules

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Russia against the Nazi.. Version 2.0

[9ideon]

The headquarters of the Ukrainian military operation in Donbass has been almost destroyed, the liberation movement continues.

https://t.me/donbassr/12711

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Azov militants (Nazi batallion) have left Mariupol, leaving it to the Russian army

It's not as easy to kill well trained soldiers than kids, Still we beat their fat arrogant asses back then :)

-

Su-27 Fighter planes have deflected to Romania, they chose not to fight

There ya go, Romania, I wonder what runs round in Poland as well.

Well since they deflected, they can't go anywhere else, the Azov will get them somehow anyway. They're done for, they go into the list of traitors

Azov:

Azov Special Operations Detachment (Ukrainian: Окремий загін спеціального призначення «Азов», romanized: Okremyi zahin spetsialnoho pryznachennia "Azov"), often known as Azov Detachment, Azov Regiment (Ukrainian: Полк Азов, romanized: Polk Azov), or Azov Battalion (until September 2014), is a right-wing extremist and Neo-Nazi Ukrainian National Guard unit, based in Mariupol, in the Azov Sea coastal region. It saw its first combat experience recapturing Mariupol from pro-Russian separatists forces in June 2014. Azov initially formed as a volunteer militia on 5 May 2014 during the Ukrainian crisis. On 12 November 2014, Azov was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, and since then all members are contract soldiers serving in the National Guard of Ukraine.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

You gotta have some serious doubts/thoughts about Ukraine officially including a Nazi type regt into their official armed forces.

Yep, and anyone who leaves the combat line, it's meant to die, those are the rules

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Russia against the Nazi.. Version 2.0

The Liberal movement is a Nazi fueled movement, let's just say that elements of that time, agreeing with the total control of things not Communistic, outspoken national socialists just chameleon ed their way into the post war scene. They pose as Liberals, but they are not really, they are some evolved natsol ideology posing as freedom advocates, they just changed their strategy to subdue and fool the masses for personal gain.

The way they go about things might not look it, but be very aware.

Example Ford is always a good one, can't find his book though, a Ford type Mein Kampf.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/henryford-antisemitism/

Cover (or so) of book (duck duck go).

https://i.postimg.cc/0QbWDBJF/ford-the-nazi.webp

[Mashika]

The OSCE can't be bothered to go out and look and document what's going on, but they'll probably have something to say according to the narrative, just later on once they finish breakfast. Like the UN and associates have been doing the past 8 years

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVCdo1Nm0QizsSZ9fl3xGXi7r-NUPLdb1aCe2vNXdpDokEJLmfmLHFZwsxpRL30bg72vJer2JIhowVX7eC7bGeyKWgup_qAgt-CxV2LLAxiVysFAz5KqwjuBZ5tVNfXOgLQD44dq8GKRoAIarCyu2zD=w1162-h871-no?authuser=0

[Mashika]

No matter all the lies you may get from the US rotten media, this is reality on Kiev, Ukraine right now. It's a live stream by the way

No harm has been made to any civilian, it's a lie if they say otherwise, watch the stream, people just go around their normal daily lives

Oh and think hard about this, how come Ruptly is able to stream from Kiev, just as this war happens? Stop believing the mainstream lies :)

NYdXnFt29wc

[Mashika]

Ukraines Air Force has completely deflected or taken down, mostly taken down by now, it's unable to operate. The entirety of the Ukraine territory is now under Russian airspace command

If this situation will remain in the next days it's still not clear

[Akasha]

The headquarters of the Ukrainian military operation in Donbass has been almost destroyed, the liberation movement continues.

https://t.me/donbassr/12711

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Azov militants (Nazi batallion) have left Mariupol, leaving it to the Russian army

It's not as easy to kill well trained soldiers than kids, Still we beat their fat arrogant asses back then :)

-

Su-27 Fighter planes have deflected to Romania, they chose not to fight

There ya go, Romania, I wonder what runs round in Poland as well.

Well since they deflected, they can't go anywhere else, the Azov will get them somehow anyway. They're done for, they go into the list of traitors

Azov:

Azov Special Operations Detachment (Ukrainian: Окремий загін спеціального призначення «Азов», romanized: Okremyi zahin spetsialnoho pryznachennia "Azov"), often known as Azov Detachment, Azov Regiment (Ukrainian: Полк Азов, romanized: Polk Azov), or Azov Battalion (until September 2014), is a right-wing extremist and Neo-Nazi Ukrainian National Guard unit, based in Mariupol, in the Azov Sea coastal region. It saw its first combat experience recapturing Mariupol from pro-Russian separatists forces in June 2014. Azov initially formed as a volunteer militia on 5 May 2014 during the Ukrainian crisis. On 12 November 2014, Azov was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, and since then all members are contract soldiers serving in the National Guard of Ukraine.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

You gotta have some serious doubts/thoughts about Ukraine officially including a Nazi type regt into their official armed forces.

Another Gladio member?

[pueblo]

No matter all the lies you may get from the US rotten media, this is reality on Kiev, Ukraine right now. It's a live stream by the way

No harm has been made to any civilian, it's a lie if they say otherwise, watch the stream, people just go around their normal daily lives

Oh and think hard about this, how come Ruptly is able to stream from Kiev, just as this war happens? Stop believing the mainstream lies :)

NYdXnFt29wc
From the BBC.


There are long traffic jams as residents try to flee the capital Kyiv. Other residents have sought shelter in metro stations. BBC correspondents say that although people expected an attack, the scale of the invasion has taken them by surprise


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

[Akasha]

No matter all the lies you may get from the US rotten media, this is reality on Kiev, Ukraine right now. It's a live stream by the way

No harm has been made to any civilian, it's a lie if they say otherwise, watch the stream, people just go around their normal daily lives

Oh and think hard about this, how come Ruptly is able to stream from Kiev, just as this war happens? Stop believing the mainstream lies :)

NYdXnFt29wc

Maintaining the "assume nothing" policy might be more wise, including not assuming that a live stream is live. They (those above both sides of this "conflict" - City of London, State Street, Blackrock, Vanguard etc...) have the tech' to wag that dog all day, but I don't say that to undermine any of your input, Malisa. I greatly appreciate all your contributions.

[Mashika]

No matter all the lies you may get from the US rotten media, this is reality on Kiev, Ukraine right now. It's a live stream by the way

No harm has been made to any civilian, it's a lie if they say otherwise, watch the stream, people just go around their normal daily lives

Oh and think hard about this, how come Ruptly is able to stream from Kiev, just as this war happens? Stop believing the mainstream lies :)

NYdXnFt29wc
From the BBC.


There are long traffic jams as residents try to flee the capital Kyiv. Other residents have sought shelter in metro stations. BBC correspondents say that although people expected an attack, the scale of the invasion has taken them by surprise


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

"Ukrainian troops 'abandoning positions,' Russia claims"
https://www.rt.com/russia/550435-ukrainian-troops-laying-down-weapons/
When a false government is in place, and everyone knows how it happened and why, the "fake democracy" doesn't stand for too long


Alexey Reznikov, Ukraine's Minister of Defense, has called on his country's citizens telling them to take up arms in the face of the Russian offensive. "The enemy attacks, but our army is unbreakable," he wrote on Facebook. "Anyone who is ready and able to hold weapons may now join the Territorial Defense Forces in your local region."

Kiev's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, has issued a statement in which he declared that Moscow "has just launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine." According to him, "this is a war of aggression. Ukraine will defend itself and will win," he insisted. "The world can and must stop Putin. The time to act is now."

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared martial law in the country, urging citizens to stay calm and stay at home.

Nobody cares what the guy says, they know he's a fake, imposed and corrupt, they are leaving, including the soldiers

I find it very amusing, but not really, it's just a way of saying how foolish they were

That they thought they could run away the people at Donbass, who were born there and were owners of their land, but they thought they could run them away or kill them just because they were not "pure blood" as in pure Ukranian. Now that they are seeing the reality they run away from their own homes, ignoring their president and even their military does the same. It goes to show how they did not had any soul strength at all. It was all words in the end

Where will they go next? Why are they running? they should fight back, but they don't want to, they don't believe in the lies, they want a different outcome they can't fight for. That's the 'issue' in the end.

Will the US come and take over and fight directly against Russia? I don't think they will, they are kind of "not sure what we do next" and it's probably a "please stop and let's talk" approach, which it's fine but it's against all the bravado they had the past months

[9ideon]

Alexey Reznikov, Ukraine's Minister of Defense, has called on his country's citizens telling them to take up arms in the face of the Russian offensive. "The enemy attacks, but our army is unbreakable," he wrote on Facebook. "Anyone who is ready and able to hold weapons may now join the Territorial Defense Forces in your local region."

Kiev's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, has issued a statement in which he declared that Moscow "has just launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine." According to him, "this is a war of aggression. Ukraine will defend itself and will win," he insisted. "The world can and must stop Putin. The time to act is now."

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared martial law in the country, urging citizens to stay calm and stay at home.

Nobody cares what the guy says, they know he's a fake, imposed and corrupt, they are leaving, including the soldiers

Reminds me of this:

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/40726991/all-is-well-nothing-to-see-here.jpg

[Akasha]

Alexey Reznikov, Ukraine's Minister of Defense, has called on his country's citizens telling them to take up arms in the face of the Russian offensive. "The enemy attacks, but our army is unbreakable," he wrote on Facebook. "Anyone who is ready and able to hold weapons may now join the Territorial Defense Forces in your local region."

Kiev's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, has issued a statement in which he declared that Moscow "has just launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine." According to him, "this is a war of aggression. Ukraine will defend itself and will win," he insisted. "The world can and must stop Putin. The time to act is now."

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared martial law in the country, urging citizens to stay calm and stay at home.

Nobody cares what the guy says, they know he's a fake, imposed and corrupt, they are leaving, including the soldiers

Reminds me of this:

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/40726991/all-is-well-nothing-to-see-here.jpg

Reminds me of this:


jTWY14eyMFg

[joe1964]

Composer Seán Doherty uses just a fragment of Lola Ridge’s harrowing poem about the horrors inflicted upon so many during the Russian Civil War (1918-22).

I cannot help but cry when I watch this video. Pray for the people of Ukraine.

https://youtu.be/wMND3UWArdQ

[Mashika]

Composer Seán Doherty uses just a fragment of Lola Ridge’s harrowing poem about the horrors inflicted upon so many during the Russian Civil War (1918-22).

I cannot help but cry when I watch this video. Pray for the people of Ukraine.

https://youtu.be/wMND3UWArdQ

The people in Donbass getting killed by the Ukrainian army since 2014 are 'Ukrainian' too, hope you pray for them as they have suffered enough already

Here's the Alley of Angels. The kids killed by the Ukrainian Nazi batallions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_of_Angels

Pray for them

[Mashika]

No matter all the lies you may get from the US rotten media, this is reality on Kiev, Ukraine right now. It's a live stream by the way

No harm has been made to any civilian, it's a lie if they say otherwise, watch the stream, people just go around their normal daily lives

Oh and think hard about this, how come Ruptly is able to stream from Kiev, just as this war happens? Stop believing the mainstream lies :)

NYdXnFt29wc

Maintaining the "assume nothing" policy might be more wise, including not assuming that a live stream is live. They (those above both sides of this "conflict" - City of London, State Street, Blackrock, Vanguard etc...) have the tech' to wag that dog all day, but I don't say that to undermine any of your input, Malisa. I greatly appreciate all your contributions.

At this point in life, and through all i have lived on my own, the things i did and experienced, and again all i have seen and compared to the rotten media i do agree on this, Nothing is real, it's all wag the dog

But i would never end if i started talking from my point of view of all this mess

[Mashika]

"Ukrainians posting fakes. this is explosiòn of gas in Russian Magnitogorsk but is claimed to be Kharkov Ukraine, consequence of Russian bombing"
https://twitter.com/FarEasterner/status/1496766503697498116

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The nazi supporters are now cleaning the evidence

https://twitter.com/OurHiddenHistry/status/1496754393521303555

[Mashika]

The one now claiming for diplomacy and restrain, and also desperately calling to the US every 30 minutes for help, said this not too long ago



Jan 24, Zelensky, speaking to 🇺🇦 Foreign Intelligence Service :
“We have learned to contain external threats. It is time to launch an offensive to secure our national interests. We are united in wanting our territory returned immediately”


I suppose the western public doesn't know or are remotely aware of all the stuff going on here, but this is just one sample of how fake whatever you read is. This guy and associates have been doing this while killing thousands of people in Ukraine, just for the sin and crime of speaking Russian and being Russian ethnic

How about that now? And that's why he's trampled and even their own army is leaving him to get eaten alive by the bear

Don't do the talk if you can't do the walk

[Mashika]

The Ukranian people forgot what real war was, since they saw only in the news that Donbass was a 'rebel' region. They forgot the past. And if you forget the past, it comes hits you right in the face once you repeat it

Where are the Nazi army now? In the borders of donbass? No, they have already run away. Turns out real battle is harder than chest thumping or killing kids and old people

The people in the US has never seen true war on their homeland, they did not lost 20+ million people to keep themselves going. They are all scared now, but they don't understand the reasoning behind all of this

Why? Ask yourself why

This is not the usual game the US government plays on weak countries, they have unexpectedly bitten more than they could chew

[Mashika]

Assumptions are the mother of all Fc_u_kups, and the US government assumed weak standards based on their own. They assumed too much

[Ewan]

Source: Consortium News (https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/23/ukraine-shrinks-again/)

Tony Kevin is a former Australian senior diplomat, having served as ambassador to Cambodia and Poland, as well as being posted to Australia’s embassy in Moscow. He is the author of six published books on public policy and international relations.



By Tony Kevin
Pearls and Irritations

The dramatic declarations on Monday of independence by Donbass city-states Donetsk and Lugansk, and Russia’s accompanying military guarantee to protect them against further heavy artillery attack by Kiev forces, illustrate yet again Barbara Tuchman’s classic March of Folly thesis – how often intelligent governments can act foolishly and against their best interest: in this case, illustrated by Washington and Kiev.

This analysis will be unpalatable to many in the West. It is hard for us to see beyond the all-enveloping narrative that surrounds us of Western good intentions with occasional mistakes in implementation, versus our horror comic negative mental images of Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin.

The latter images are far from the truth but very compelling. The people who create and sustain our mental furniture are top professionals at what they do. They condition our thinking and emotions, through powerful images and memes as well as words. Highly intelligent people hate to admit they have fallen for such propaganda, and often get angry when it is suggested to them that they have.

What Putin Wants From Ukraine

The fact is that there have been many speeches over the years by Putin acknowledging full Ukrainian sovereignty since the 1991 breakup of the former Soviet Union, an authoritarian state in which Ukrainian Communists had played a major leadership role. Putin consistently has asked for two things of Ukraine.

First, decent good-neighborly relations based on mutual respect and mutual security, as between the U.S. and Canada. And second, as in Canada, respect for the full human rights of Ukraine’s numerous “French Canadians” – the 50-percent-plus of Ukrainians who share Russian native language and culture. This importantly includes a right to share in the formation of Ukraine’s national security policies and priorities. But the U.S. has at least since 2013 used Ukraine’s Nazis, and there are plenty of those, as the spearhead of its determination to make Ukraine monocultural, militarized and permanently hostile to Russia.

Just because Putin asserts these things does not mean they are not true. I believe they are true.

Putin, President Emmanuel Macron of France and Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany (as with Angela Merkel before him) in recent years and weeks did their best to find pathways through the growing confrontation, but in the end they could not halt the determination of Washington and Kiev foolishly to provoke the Russian bear.

Over months, Putin had warned the West to step backwards from the militarization of Ukraine, and to work with Russia towards a wider European settlement, reversing NATO’s dangerous expansion towards Russia’s borders since 1996. (See my two recent essays on Russian settlement proposals.)

https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Minsk_Protocol_II.svg_-455x500.png
Map of the buffer zone established by the Minsk Protocol II, (12/02/2015) during the War in Donbass. (Goran tek-en, Wikimedia Commons)

As usual, the West cherry-picked, they prevaricated and – the biggest Western blunder of all – Washington’s Joe Biden supplied powerful city-destroying heavy weapons to the ill-disciplined and Nazi-infected Ukrainian army. The temptation to start using them was irresistible.

We saw from Feb. 17 onwards a determined, very threatening, but foolish attempt by Kiev’s armed forces along the line of contact, including the notorious Azov Battalion, to advance into and occupy Donbass, under the noses of the 130,000 Russian troops waiting for orders in nearby Russia.

The Ukrainian government of President Volodymyr Zelensky and his American advisers like Victoria Nuland had convinced themselves that Putin would not now dare to invade Ukraine after all the Western warnings of wider retribution. How wrong they were: right that he would not try to occupy Kiev, but wrong that he would let Donbass fall, creating unacceptable high risks of brutal ethnic cleansing of up to 4 million Russian Ukrainians forced to flee Donbass into Russia. And what a political humiliation this would have been for Putin.

By Feb. 18 it was already clear from Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reporting that a sharp escalation in Kiev’s shelling of Donbass was taking place. Donetsk suburbs were being shelled. A Ukrainian special forces commando raid into neighbouring Rostov province in Russia was discovered and neutralized. The Donbass leaders wisely ordered evacuations, not to leave civilian hostages in place in cities at imminent risk of carpet-bombing, if they did not surrender. Aleppo was the stark example of what could have happened.

Now Russia has given the green light to Donbass independence, protected by Russian military might, as was the case in Crimea.

It cannot have been an easy decision for Putin and his National Security Council, urged on by the Duma as they were to do something. Donbass does not have the many strategic and economic attractions and assets of Crimea. Reconstruction will be huge and expensive and the diplomatic costs to Russia very high.

But Putin had no alternative: in the end, he had to defend Russians at grave risk abroad, with real threats to their lives as reported by OSCE and Russian intelligence. The Minsk Accords are now dead. These steps already seem irreversible.

Sooner or later these temporarily independent statelets will merge into Russia. The irony is that France and Germany, the guarantor powers, had for years since 2015 been urging Kiev to accept the federal solutions proposed by the Minsk Accords. But then, Kiev nationalists, quietly backed by NATO, had reneged on Minsk, confident that in the end they could achieve the unitary Ukraine they wanted by letting the Minsk Accords be forgotten. Now, ironically, Kiev pleads in the UNSC for a return to the Minsk Accords. But this train has already left the station.

Downside for East & West
https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Putin_Macron_Merkel_Zelensky_2019-12-10_01-1000x617.jpg
December 2019: From left, Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Paris. (Kremlin.ru, CC BY 4.0, Wikimedia Commons)

There will be downside consequences for both East and West. There will be immediate major losses of French and German sovereignty. They will be sucked back into U.S. alliance hegemony. There will be immediate setbacks to Russia-France and Russia-Germany possibilities for detente. These two major states now will be, albeit reluctantly, more firmly locked into U.S.-led NATO military operations.

It is hard to see the Nord Stream pipeline opening now, which will be a great economic and humanitarian loss to Europe. There will be greater sanctions intensity, hurting both sides economically, and a huge setback to detente generally. The new Cold War will be more firmly lodged in place.

Will Russia advance further into Ukraine? I would predict almost certainly not, though we will hear Western propaganda for weeks that Russia will do so. The present line of contact will become the frontier, as it has de facto been the frontier since 2015 after former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko’s failed attempt to overwhelm Donbass.

How will China and the nonaligned world react? These are the most important questions now. Will they see through this latest Anglo-American false narrative of unprovoked Russian aggression , or will they be fooled yet again by the information warriors ? I would like to think the former, but I fear the sedulous power of the Western false narrative. I believe that China, and more quietly India , will stand by Russia. Others– we shall see.

It did not have to be this lose-lose outcome. A Canadian solution was possible, if there had been a modicum of goodwill from Kiev: a federal Ukrainian state with real sovereignty rights for Russian Ukrainians, including importantly a real say in Ukraine foreign policy choices.

Putin was desperate for this outcome and he waited as long as he could. But Washington and Kiev wanted confrontation and permanent East-West hostility, whipped up by Victoria Nuland and her ilk. They now have this. Ukraine will remain poor, depopulated, illiberal and militarized. It is a tragedy, but the threatened genocide and ethnic cleansing of Donbass Russians would have been intolerable for the majority of Russians. As it was personally, for an obviously angry and distressed Putin. This outcome will bring him and his key advisers no great joy, but it was the right decision to take.

This article is from Pearls and Irritations and is republished with the author’s permission.


Also well worth reading -
Bear baiting was long ago banned as inhumane. Yet today, a version is being practiced every day against whole nations on a gigantic international scale. (https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/23/diana-johnstone-us-foreign-policy-is-a-cruel-sport/)

[Tam]

This is all very grim. Malisa, thank you for being diligent in giving us your valuable perspective on this.

As of a few hours ago, US media outlets are unanimously reporting that Russia has declared war on Ukraine in a "full scale invasion" that marks Europe's "darkest hours since WWII"

Funny how all of these outlets parrot the same dogmatic lines.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. All I can hope for is for a minimal loss of innocent lives. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that I'll be disappointed.

[Mashika]

This is all very grim. Malisa, thank you for being diligent in giving us your valuable perspective on this.

As of a few hours ago, US media outlets are unanimously reporting that Russia has declared war on Ukraine in a "full scale invasion" that marks Europe's "darkest hours since WWII"

Funny how all of these pallots parrot the same dogmatic lines.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. All I can hope for is for a minimal loss of innocent lives. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that I'll be disappointed.

Hi Tam

I'm just posting things as they happen. But I'm very sure this all will be twisted very soon enough in the morning of the west so they get a different silver spooned view of the entire world events

I'm just posting it as it comes, it's up for people to figure it out, if they choose to. All the evidence it's out there, people has to make their own choice in the end :)

Very glad to you see you back, :heart:

[Mashika]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLV8s2Bd7fhRgdvdCZxHcOiQ4ONxIyOAM9ABtUkmRMzBO0RTnZCmKOl4cPSq-zsHwhYOiCD0TOwd5cH4Xrbgfeu3LmwtzM0A0Eq3p2D-ZxjcgpayClemNEvtHUEXF7tI-0041Ab4Pz1Mp3z7lRIZs6Gn=w712-h474-no?authuser=0

https://t.me/rt_russian/94422



Ukrainian Telegram channels publish fakes about the special operation in Donbass.

In particular, this photo was signed as "the sixth fighter shot down by the AFU." In fact, this frame was used back in 2019 as an illustration of the crash of the MiG-29 of Azerbaijan.

Earlier, Roskomnadzor reported a wave of Internet fakes around the situation in Ukraine. The supervisory authority stressed that inform resources are obliged to use official data.

The Ukrainian Air Force is down, or has mostly deflected to other countries. There is mostly no one defending the Ukranian airspace but a few here and there, which means nothing. So this kind of lies are distributed to pretend, so sad state of affairs!

[Johan (Keyholder)]

I just can second Tam, thanks so much for the continuous updates Malisa!
It's very much appreciated, by all of us here I am sure.

[9ideon]

This is not the usual game the US government plays on weak countries, they have unexpectedly bitten more than they could chew

This has been on my mind for ages and came back to haunt me during the built up.

Now... I do not dislike US People, I game with loads of 'm, met loads of 'm, worked in intelligence with them etc, but... as I mentioned before, their leaders and self proclaimed so called psychopathic elite are the problem really.

So yes, most wars the US fought since WOII were against weaker opponents, although Vietnam was conveniently not called a war, they lost it anyway. Anyone thinking like well what about Korea then? Cease fire, not peace.

The Western "Leaders" were cruising right into their setup, pandemic arranging the "Great reset", at the same time getting control over the masses and fool them, with the help of mainstream Propaganda, into thinking freedom, while the parasites drain us for everything we have. The fact that People cannot see through it is really a problem, that is by itself a war crime. These so called freedom leaders love to point at others for doing stuff they themselves are actually guilty of.

What I hope for is that Western Military will see this for what is, look at Canada, that'll come any countries way opposing JB and cohorts, make no mistake about it.

EU is really worried for their corruptness will eventually be seen by all.

It's a law though, Bullies will eventually meet their fate.

[Agape]

Hi guys , just seeing so many people onboard this topic , saw the news on big screen, it’s making big news here in India, I just walked to pharmacy to have been told that Russia has declared war. So difficult to comment but poor Ukraine is in miserable state since the fall of Soviet Union is not all their fault,
they were vassal state of Russia for number of centuries , since the formation of Soviet Union they were used not only as largest wheat bank but also largest weaponry and missile silo of Russia, then SU, Donbas and Crimea hosting some of the most important naval and air bases and military western command was also situated in Ukraine,
their weapons and now even troops are hidden all over the place since WWII.

So if the conflict expands it could turn Ukraine to battlefield

Though I sincerely hope that it can be stopped from expanding and solved immediately by peaceful negotiations and insistence to withdraw Russian troops from the territory immediately.

It seems to me also that many blinkers will now fall from the eyes of my friends all over the world who claimed to be discrete russofiles and admirer of President Putin,
claiming him to be spiritual entity and peacemaker.
Russia has never acted differently from other power mongering nations on this planet, claiming peace it still acted territorially and invasively towards ethnic groups, religious groups differing from the state supported Orthodox Church of Russia - which is unsurprisingly split from all other Orthodox Churches on the globe ,
in short, Russians and their ruling class are big people with big hearts but no dove tails.

This “war” looks very big on TV now but they are sorting centuries old conflict, injustice and case of human exploitation of Ukrainian people.

I’ve met many Ukrainian people when still in Prague and they end up working in supermarkets and service jobs all over Europe as refugees despite holding diplomas in various subjects or regardless, they come to western parts of Europe in really poor state running away from what they’ve described as devastating and critical social and economical situation in Ukraine,
with wages not been payed to them for years , and everything , every little bit of politics in their country is run in respect to Russia and their decisions.
They are constantly on target from Russia for reasons not so obvious that is military bases , missile silos and advanced weaponry systems situated in their territory.

It’s not my place to say a word because I feel it’s too late and we all have failed to acknowledge the gravity of the situation.

Peace to All


🌿🌿🌿

[9ideon]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLV8s2Bd7fhRgdvdCZxHcOiQ4ONxIyOAM9ABtUkmRMzBO0RTnZCmKOl4cPSq-zsHwhYOiCD0TOwd5cH4Xrbgfeu3LmwtzM0A0Eq3p2D-ZxjcgpayClemNEvtHUEXF7tI-0041Ab4Pz1Mp3z7lRIZs6Gn=w712-h474-no?authuser=0

https://t.me/rt_russian/94422



Ukrainian Telegram channels publish fakes about the special operation in Donbass.

In particular, this photo was signed as "the sixth fighter shot down by the AFU." In fact, this frame was used back in 2019 as an illustration of the crash of the MiG-29 of Azerbaijan.

Earlier, Roskomnadzor reported a wave of Internet fakes around the situation in Ukraine. The supervisory authority stressed that inform resources are obliged to use official data.

The Ukrainian Air Force is down, or has mostly deflected to other countries. There is mostly no one defending the Ukranian airspace but a few here and there, which means nothing. So this kind of lies are distributed to pretend, so sad state of affairs!

I hope that's the Jet that shot down MH17 (yes, yes, something completely different, stay on topic though, needed to vent).

[bluestflame]

This is all very grim. Malisa, thank you for being diligent in giving us your valuable perspective on this.

As of a few hours ago, US media outlets are unanimously reporting that Russia has declared war on Ukraine in a "full scale invasion" that marks Europe's "darkest hours since WWII"

Funny how all of these pallots parrot the same dogmatic lines.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. All I can hope for is for a minimal loss of innocent lives. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that I'll be disappointed.

Hi Tam

I'm just posting things as they happen. But I'm very sure this all will be twisted very soon enough in the morning of the west so they get a different silver spooned view of the entire world events

I'm just posting it as it comes, it's up for people to figure it out, if they choose to. All the evidence it's out there, people has to make their own choice in the end :)

Very glad to you see you back, :heart:

fresh is best yes and thank you for the updates Malisa, ( I , like many here, just want the truth of things)

[Mashika]

Yes, and it yes, it's over, lay down and go to sleep, it's over for your time of fakery, we are done with it. Sleep tight

https://twitter.com/Alien_Scientist/status/1496800667859566593

[Mashika]

I could show you things you don't want to see, and neither i want to show you, speculation when the entire thing has been around for the most part of 8 years is not suitable to our current time understanding of reality.

Please look into it. And i you want, i will share the information the UN had since 2015 and that they chose to ignore. It's very graphic so i be aware of that, there's images of kids blown up and people burned and such and such. So i would suggest to not look at it at all.

But it did happen, it's not like you can kill 13,000+ thousand people without leaving any evidence. It's more like the UN decided to no look into the evidence because they are unable to be "independent" anymore



So if the conflict expands it could turn Ukraine to battlefield

I'm very sorry but this is a thing that has already happened, years ago. You just did not knew about it at the time

This is how it feels

One day, you get dinner with your friends all sitting there in the floor and joking about dumb things, bullying each other and stuff

The next day in the morning, some of them are not back. We all know what happened to them. They're gone

But we pretend to still hope they will be back, and some of the younger kids do cry but also have to make themselves strong because they have to

We all feel like stupid idiots sitting there pretending the persons missing did not exist because we know they died through the night and we have to enforce our will and not let this take us down so we can fight tomorrow

That's how war is

So excuse me when i say that i know better than most people, but i do know better.

I'm sorry our life experiences are so different, i also wanted a nice life but i did not had it. Right now i know what the people there are going through because i went through the same already, as a kid. So yeah, i don't have much more to say. very sorry about this



Though I sincerely hope that it can be stopped from expanding and solved immediately by peaceful negotiations and insistence to withdraw Russian troops from the territory immediately.

There were way too many years that this was asked from the Donbass region, it went unheard. So unheard that the "president of Ukraine" said they would take it back by force.

It doesn't matter for them what the people of Donbass wants, there is no humanity at all in their treatment.

Please look more into this, it's just a crime against humanity, and a war crime as well. You are just not been told the facts



Hi guys , just seeing so many people onboard this topic , saw the news on big screen, it’s making big news here in India, I just walked to pharmacy to have been told that Russia has declared war. So difficult to comment but poor Ukraine is in miserable state since the fall of Soviet Union is not all their fault,
they were vassal state of Russia for number of centuries , since the formation of Soviet Union they were used not only as largest wheat bank but also largest weaponry and missile silo of Russia, then SU, Donbas and Crimea hosting some of the most important naval and air bases and military western command was also situated in Ukraine,
their weapons and now even troops are hidden all over the place since WWII.

So if the conflict expands it could turn Ukraine to battlefield

Though I sincerely hope that it can be stopped from expanding and solved immediately by peaceful negotiations and insistence to withdraw Russian troops from the territory immediately.

It seems to me also that many blinkers will now fall from the eyes of my friends all over the world who claimed to be discrete russofiles and admirer of President Putin,
claiming him to be spiritual entity and peacemaker.
Russia has never acted differently from other power mongering nations on this planet, claiming peace it still acted territorially and invasively towards ethnic groups, religious groups differing from the state supported Orthodox Church of Russia - which is unsurprisingly split from all other Orthodox Churches on the globe ,
in short, Russians and their ruling class are big people with big hearts but no dove tails.

This “war” looks very big on TV now but they are sorting centuries old conflict, injustice and case of human exploitation of Ukrainian people.

I’ve met many Ukrainian people when still in Prague and they end up working in supermarkets and service jobs all over Europe as refugees despite holding diplomas in various subjects or regardless, they come to western parts of Europe in really poor state running away from what they’ve described as devastating and critical social and economical situation in Ukraine,
with wages not been payed to them for years , and everything , every little bit of politics in their country is run in respect to Russia and their decisions.
They are constantly on target from Russia for reasons not so obvious that is military bases , missile silos and advanced weaponry systems situated in their territory.

It’s not my place to say a word because I feel it’s too late and we all have failed to acknowledge the gravity of the situation.

Peace to All


🌿🌿🌿

[Vangelo]

Here are the facts as I understand them.

Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

The build-up along the border was obviously very real and not fake as some have previously suggested.

Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

The Minsk accord was not agreed to by Ukraine.

The Donbass region (which is Ukraine territory) has been in civil war for 14 years or so. This appears to be one of the reasons Putin used to justify the invasion.

The photos, videos and news reports are unreliable because they can be faked and in some cases have proven to be sourced from past conflicts.

Commentary and questions:
I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.

What is Putin's larger objective? Here are a few possibilities..

Demonstrate NATO & US impotence
Frighten former USSR states to make it easier to bring them back under Russian control
Take all of Ukraine
Return everything back to Ukraine except for the land mass that includes Donbass and south to connect Crimea


I also wonder what China will do. This is exactly the time for them to make a move.

Finally, without a trustworthy press/news media, we wont know anything other than propaganda. This will wake up more people to the fact that much of what is reported in the MSM is fake and that will lead people to ask the question why.

Discussions about what US or NATO did or did not do are red herrings (irrelevant) and are designed to deflect the argument away from the fact that Putin invaded a sovereign country.

[muxfolder]

No wonder the plandemic is suddenly over. Throw your masks away, it's time for war now. And frankly I'm a bit worried how this is going to turn out. Both sides seem to be pushing this forward for whatever reasons (great reset maybe?) and all the fake news and old footage is too confusing.

[Mashika]

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Any good news we don't already knew?

The only valuable thing i found i this was



I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.


Even then you failed to say "why"

Do you know the "Why" game? want to play it?

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No wonder the plandemic is suddenly over. Throw your masks away, it's time for war now. And frankly I'm a bit worried how this is going to turn out. Both sides seem to be pushing this forward for whatever reasons (great reset maybe?) and all the fake news and old footage is too confusing.

Thought the same, how odd they all kind of "agree" while disagreeing? It's like they knew beforehand, how 'odd' isn't it?

Perhaps this is the actual trigger for the big reset after all

[9ideon]

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[Vangelo]

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Any good news we don't already knew?

The only valuable thing i found i this was



I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.




Malisa, that was dismissive and offensive, you are better than that.

It seems you don't agree with any of these facts:


Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

The build-up along the border was obviously very real and not fake as some have previously suggested.

Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

The Minsk accord was not agreed to by Ukraine.

The Donbass region (which is Ukraine territory) has been in civil war for 14 years or so. This appears to be one of the reasons Putin used to justify the invasion.

The photos, videos and news reports are unreliable because they can be faked and in some cases have proven to be sourced from past conflicts.

What is your agenda?





Even then you failed to say "why"

Do you know the "Why" game? want to play it?[COLOR="red"]


This is a game for you, isn't it?




Perhaps this is the actual trigger for the big reset after all

I agree, this is a very real possibility...

[Mashika]

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Any good news we don't already knew?

The only valuable thing i found i this was



I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.




Malisa, that was dismissive and offensive, you are better than that.

It seems you don't agree with any of these facts:


Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

The build-up along the border was obviously very real and not fake as some have previously suggested.

Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

The Minsk accord was not agreed to by Ukraine.

The Donbass region (which is Ukraine territory) has been in civil war for 14 years or so. This appears to be one of the reasons Putin used to justify the invasion.

The photos, videos and news reports are unreliable because they can be faked and in some cases have proven to be sourced from past conflicts.

What is your agenda?





Even then you failed to say "why"

Do you know the "Why" game? want to play it?[COLOR="red"]


This is a game for you, isn't it?




Perhaps this is the actual trigger for the big reset after all

I agree, this is a very real possibility...

I don't have a game, but at this time, seeing as you had plenty of years to figure out the real purpose of what is happening in Ukraine and you come post this as if it was something that "just happened yesterday" i have to truly wonder. Please don't turn things around this way

I have been very clear and transparent about myself, yet you skip about all of it?

It's actually a game for you, pretending you don't know the actual game the US is playing, and has been playing all along for decades now

That's why i asked that, to bring you up to the front. So do you know the "why game"? Because if you don't then you are being played, but if you do, then you are a player on it, see?

I don't ask stupid questions

[gord]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtxiBehhgc

[I am B]

You guys are really annoying with the personal attacks and the sassy rethoric.

Anyways.

I've been watching the msm since 4am when I somehow woke up middle of the night for the news.

I heard Putin, Borrell, Macron, Johnson, the german leader, Von der Leyen (or however is written) and the NATO spokesperson talk. And taking their words, and the general talk on MSM.... Europe is going to war at some point. Either Putin will go over Ukraine (because of sanctions or whatever) or Europe will go to Ukraine.

Remind that France pulled out of Mali.

None seem to have a limit on their actions, and the talk is about military Capabilities and, literally, an attack on "European soil". They are already marketing the great Spanish Leopard tanks and glorious army helping NATO.

The talk of everyone is on leaders asuming responsibility themselves (about going to/causing war?) and how Putin will be "held accountable". They are building this Hitler image around Putin.

This evening/tomorrow morning there will be the official assessments on the matters. I'll go to the supermarket before that

[Mashika]

You guys are really annoying with the personal attacks and the sassy rethoric.

Anyways.


:P Rotten hell with you :P lol



I've been watching the msm since 4am when I somehow woke up middle of the night for the news.

That's why you get from watching that garbage



I heard Putin, Borrell, Macron, Johnson, the german leader, Von der Leyen (or however is written) and the NATO spokesperson talk. And taking their words, and the general talk on MSM.... Europe is going to war at some point. Either Putin will go over Ukraine (because of sanctions or whatever) or Europe will go to Ukraine.

Remind that France pulled out of Mali.

None seem to have a limit on their actions, and the talk is about military Capabilities and, literally, an attack on "European soil". They are already marketing the great Spanish Leopard tanks and glorious army helping NATO.

The talk of everyone is on leaders asuming responsibility themselves (about going to/causing war?) and how Putin will be "held accountable". They are building this Hitler image around Putin.

Let's go sleep now, we should not be affected by those idiots in general, so let's go sleep for a bit, it will be over soon :P

[I am B]

Don't get me wrong, I don't watch msm, EVER. And as I said posts before I took this whole matter rather lightly.

My claims are made after watching msm with deconstructing purposes, and try to read on what they want the people to believe. If you think I buy on any of either's side narrative, youre wrong.

[Mashika]

Don't get me wrong, I don't watch msm, EVER. And as I said posts before I took this whole matter rather lightly.

My claims are made after watching msm with deconstructing purposes, and try to read on what they want the people to believe. If you think I buy on any of either's side narrative, youre wrong.

I don't think anything about anything, i know the realitity of what's going on there. Why would i care about media stupidity? When i have been there?
Think about that, you are looking at this the wrong way

I.Don't.Care.About.Media.In.Any.Possible.Way

I know better, i did not look at it from far away or was paid to lie

[Mashika]

It does look like people are unable to realise that i was there, and plenty other kids were, no matter what. You fail to understand that what is happening right now was already a reality back in 2013 and until 2015 or so, but it's reality

You have not seen the things i've seen, or what we saw in general, it's just like a "far away thing" for you guys. You just don't get it

I'm so frustrated by this lack of understanding of reality

Jesus F. It does seem that no one around is able to truly grasp this. Hope it never reaches your country or city, but if it does, hope also you won't be crying about it. FFS

[Bill Ryan]

I.Don't.Care.About.Media.In.Any.Possible.Way

I know better, i did not look at it from far away or was paid to lie:bearhug:

Hey, thanks for all your posts on this.

I asked you this a few days ago, but things seems to be changing pretty fast — in many ways. What's your best guess right now about what may happen during the next few days, or the next week?

[I am B]

I don't think anything about anything. I know the reality of whats going on here, in my house. And that reality is TV halfway promoting war, so that I'm sharing. You can believe it as part of your genuine reality, take it into account, or completely dump it.

For all I know, or care, you could be a virgin 40 year old man with adventurous issues from North Grafton Massachussets. And Ukraine couldn't even exist as a country, nor Its people, nor Putin, nor the whole entire Avalon comunity.

[Mashika]

I.Don't.Care.About.Media.In.Any.Possible.Way

I know better, i did not look at it from far away or was paid to lie:bearhug:

Hey, thanks for all your posts on this.

I asked you this a few days ago, but things seems to be changing pretty fast — in many ways. What's your best guess right now about what may happen during the next few days, or the next week?

Hi Sr,

I supposed i can say now, that all assumptions are off

Ukraine is done for

As of right now:

- Air force has deflected or given up
- The army is resigning their positions and surrendering to Russian army
- The navy has been "terminated"
- The radar systems are destroyed entirely
- All the drones are grounded, there is no personal able to drive them anymore

This took around 2 hours tops across the entire country

I supposed this says all about the current status of Ukraine

Later today we will see another page, or step, or side of the war, but it won't be what most people expect. Let's wait and see

There is such thing as bluffing in the great scope of international matters. The US gave to the Ukraine government the wrong assumption that they would be protected and the false promise they would be part of NATO. Things developed very quickly and now all those promises are just air. It already happened, so now NATO will have to figure out how to proceed from here, while trying to not look bad in the eyes of the entire planet, because of those false promises they have been exposed around

It's the usual problem "the boy that cried wolf too many times"

[Mashika]

I bet realising Ukraine fell without any effort in less than 2 hours is now making all the countries around Europe double check their posibilities if they keep lying and supporting the US on this false "freedom" crusade

Let's see how fast they act, today and tomorrow. And if they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the US. This is the real thing, not like the game the US thought they were playing, where everything ends in a game of diplomacy words.

[Agape]

Even if all the above is practically true, kindly realise that Ukraine is sovereign nation who won’t submit their legacy and government overnight and under threat of power.
I don’t see this would happen any soon and this being subversive and technological war of 21st century , they will fight back by all and any means.

They’re on their last leg , for sure. Now that they’ve been shot to it, they will fight to the last man.


Pray everyone stopped fighting right now or we all may also end up in another staged nuclear disaster.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuRp2zoKd2s

Peace Bells on 🙏🛎🙏

[muxfolder]

I bet realising Ukraine fell without any effort in less than 2 hours is now making all the countries around Europe double check their posibilities if they keep lying and supporting the US on this false "freedom" crusade

Let's see how fast they act, today and tomorrow. And if they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the US. This is the real thing, not like the game the US thought they were playing, where everything ends in a game of diplomacy words.

Here our prime minister and president have already sided with US. Didn't take long so that's why I'm worried this will escalate very very quickly. It really is strange they didn't fight back so does this mean that the NATO-countries are already planning something with Ukraine?

[Mashika]

Even if all the above is practically true, kindly realise that Ukraine is sovereign nation who won’t submit their legacy and government overnight and under threat of power.
I don’t see this would happen any soon and this being subversive and technological war of 21st century , they will fight back by all and any means.

They’re on their last leg , for sure. Now that they’ve been shot to it, they will fight to the last man.


Pray everyone stopped fighting right now or we all may also end up in another staged nuclear disaster.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuRp2zoKd2s

Peace Bells on 🙏🛎🙏

According to this, the US should immediately acknowledge Taiwan and HongKong as part of China, under the "One China" policy

How do you you feel about that?

[I am B]

Sweden and Finland (which is a big Russian neighbor) are very likely joining NATO tomorrow on an extraordinary event.

https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000008639711.html

[muxfolder]

Sweden and Finland (which is a big Russian neighbor) are very likely joining NATO tomorrow on an extraordinary event.

https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000008639711.html

It says Finland and Sweden have been invited to a virtual NATO-meeting tomorrow and try to figure out what to do. Not really sure it's going to lead both of us end up as NATO-country. That Jens Stoltenberg freaks me out though. He says "Europe's new normal is a start of a war." Translated almost literally. :eek: Of course, maybe it's not exactly quoted correctly because IS is known here to be very sensational and ****ty publication.

[Bill Ryan]

Here our prime minister and president have already sided with US. All scripted, choreographed and under orders, just like the lockstep political responses almost in unison re covid and the vaxx, all over the world,

As evidence, watch to see what Justin Trudeau says (and has already said), and also Tony Blair. (Many others too, of course.)

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

The next thing may be a collapse of stock markets worldwide... not manipulated per se, but maybe inevitable as all the major investors start taking their profits as fast as they can. It's a classic bubble-bursting event.

[chrifri]

Here are the facts as I understand them.

Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

May I ask, what the source of information is that gave you this understanding? Western MSM?


The build-up along the border was obviously very real and not fake as some have previously suggested.

Without doubt it was real. But is this a surprise? The western MSM has been writing about this for days.


Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

Maybe not but maybe they did. Killing its own people might not be an act of war or maybe it is. In any case we certainly do not know everything what happened over the past 8 years. So again, maybe not but maybe they have


The Minsk accord was not agreed to by Ukraine.

That seems to be correct


The Donbass region (which is Ukraine territory) has been in civil war for 14 years or so. This appears to be one of the reasons Putin used to justify the invasion.

That seems to be correct as well


The photos, videos and news reports are unreliable because they can be faked and in some cases have proven to be sourced from past conflicts.

agreed


Commentary and questions:
I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.

I would say that your comment warrants a why question. Why are you not convinced? What are their alternatives? Maybe later on, your commentary might be the case, but for the moment being it really seems that these people are more than happy to allow Russia control over their region


What is Putin's larger objective? Here are a few possibilities..

Demonstrate NATO & US impotence

I doubt that this would be a main objective. In any case, the western MSM would probably never admit such an impotence, be it real or not.


Frighten former USSR states to make it easier to bring them back under Russian control

Personally I doubt that this is an objective. However, in the case that some former USSR states would try to get closer relationships with Russia, Putin certainly would not be against it


Take all of Ukraine

I doubt that this is an objective for Putin. The Ukraine is a failed, corrupt state. Take over a failed state? To me that does not make much sense


Return everything back to Ukraine except for the land mass that includes Donbass and south to connect Crimea

Return what? He could only return anything if he really would have invaded. According to the western MSM there was a invasion but knowing that these MSM sources cannot be trusted, we do not know if there was a real invasion of the Ukraine or not. Listening/watching other sources (for example RT and others) there was no invasion. Of course this statement depends on the point of view of each person. For some, moving troops and military equipment to the Donbass/Lugansk region is an invasion. But as we know, there are people who do not see such support as an invasion

The information from the following link "https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/23/ukraine-shrinks-again/" might give us an idea



I also wonder what China will do. This is exactly the time for them to make a move.

This indeed to me seems to be an interesting question

Finally, without a trustworthy press/news media, we wont know anything other than propaganda. This will wake up more people to the fact that much of what is reported in the MSM is fake and that will lead people to ask the question why.

Agreed

Discussions about what US or NATO did or did not do are red herrings (irrelevant) and are designed to deflect the argument away from the fact that Putin invaded a sovereign country.

I would argue that what the US/NATO did or did not do, is highly relevant. Without the NATO's expansion towards the Russian border, the situation certainly would be different. Even if one would name this expansion as irrelevant, the US/NATO could have easily avoided the actual scenario by just giving Russia the guarantee that the Ukraine would not be accepted into the NATO. So mentioning that whatever led up to the actual situation is irrelevant, is in my opinion a wrong statement and wrong conclusion.

[Bill Ryan]

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.

[I am B]

All scripted, choreographed and under orders, just like the lockstep political responses almost in unison re covid and the vaxx

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

The next thing may be a collapse of stock markets worldwide... not manipulated per se, but maybe inevitable as all the major investors start taking their profits as fast as they can. It's a classic bubble-bursting event.

Wouldn't a bubble bursting event like that, publicly blamed to the Russian agression, lead to war at some point? It would be either war, or the complete loss of credibility for European countries. (if they had any left)

Holding this whole situation on the edge doesn't seem doable to me, at least not on the long term.

[I am B]

Take it with a grain of salt because it just came out.

Turkish cargo ship reportedly hit on the black sea. Turkey is NATO.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sputnikint/status/1496852708753657862?s=21

[muxfolder]

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.

By now we all know Putin is not stupid. And also he might not be part of the global elite. He's not part of the WEF, is he? That's where this all warmongering is probably coming and now they're desperate to get one started because Covid didn't work as well as they wanted. They just don't seem to care at all as long as half of the population of the world is dead. Wouldn't it be nice if there was the WW3, the greatest war of all time, which they seem to want, and none of us would fight it?

[Mashika]

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

Yes, the amount of damage to Russian economy has already been calculated, we can survive almost 20 years on our own, with reserves and current deals. By that time the China pipeline will be fully working and others as well, it matters little what the NordStream 2 pipeline does or even exists by then.

Even Europe has blocked the US sanctions on existing Gas deals, so we just remain going as we were 2 weeks ago, no change at all.

Sanctions are useless because none of them affect existing deals which is good income. :)



He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.
Always 3 steps ahead, so annoying! :P

[Mashika]

Russia military taking over Ukrainian military bases just few minutes ago, no resistance, nothing but delivering their weapons and giving up

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496856204999643142

[Mashika]

Possible war crime against Ukrainian people by the Ukrainian army

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496861905478111238

[mountain_jim]

thread about US Biolabs facilities in Ukraine..

later - not sure why tweets stopped being inserted later?

**** - the twitter account was just suspended!
Huge documentation of recent history of biolabs in Ukraine!

one of the tweets included this image



https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/099/704/502/original/847379013246d51e.jpeg

https://twitter.com/warclandestine/status/1496745429672857602?s=21

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496745429672857602?s=20&t=RSTc1MlZ-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496745431988006915?s=20&t=RSTc1MlZ-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496745433351311362?s=20&t=RSTc1MlZ-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496745437096595456?s=20&t=RSTc1MlZ-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496745438413832195?s=20&t=RSTc1MlZ-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496745442591322112?s=20&t=RSTc1MlZ-TmVADtPtBs5jg


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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496745445133012995?s=20&t=RSTc1MlZ-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496747044836413440?s=20&t=RSTc1MlZ-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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[mountain_jim]

https://t.me/s/drawandstrikechannel

some of the above thread, now nuked, is documented at link above, but I can't copy it in easily...



Brian Cates - Political Columnist ⭐️⭐️⭐️
The US bioweapon research industry is suppose to be use for 'defense only', of course. Studying bioweapons to learn how to prepare and defend against them. But in the case of COVID, Fauci and Co. repurposed US funding to gain of function research on bat coronaviruses that then either escaped from a lab in China or was deliberately released. If you think COVID-19 was deliberately released from the Wuhan lab, and the same Fauci/Daszak/WEF crew that run our viral research labs across the world are also running bioweapons labs in Ukraine, if I were Putin I'd have been warning them get that **** off my frontier also.

[Agape]

Looks like the damage has been done now and I’ve almost expected something in that category:

Nuclear waste storage destroyed in Chernobyl (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.fxstreet.com/amp/news/nuclear-waste-storage-facility-destroyed-in-chernobyl-amid-russia-ukraine-fighting-nbc-202202241451)

In attempt for takeover of Chernobyl nuclear power plant that has suffered tragic accident in 1986.., the nuclear waste storage was “accidentally” destroyed ,
Ukrainian nuclear advisor warns of radioactive cloud dispersal over neighbouring g countries and probably most of EU.

For your own safety sake and if something really odd happens any night soon,
I suggest ..stop watching the news

🙏🌟🕊

[Agape]

Even if all the above is practically true, kindly realise that Ukraine is sovereign nation who won’t submit their legacy and government overnight and under threat of power.
I don’t see this would happen any soon and this being subversive and technological war of 21st century , they will fight back by all and any means.

They’re on their last leg , for sure. Now that they’ve been shot to it, they will fight to the last man.


Pray everyone stopped fighting right now or we all may also end up in another staged nuclear disaster.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuRp2zoKd2s

Peace Bells on 🙏🛎🙏

According to this, the US should immediately acknowledge Taiwan and HongKong as part of China, under the "One China" policy

How do you you feel about that?


Quite right on the opposite : but I think that we all are feeling even little more upset about the situation in Europe than usually and mixing plums and apples does not help.

Not even the UN secretary would care to compare the situation between Taiwan , Hongkong and Ukraine as legally adequate.

Why offending as many parties at once as possible ?

So self convinced of your power ?


Don’t get angry on us Masha. I’ve seen young kids, people fighting in consignment in all kinds of wars who had to but once they’ve got out they’re out. They’ve suffered but hate no one. We all have suffered for many reasons and I see no reason for the history to be repeating itself in rounds.


🙏

[XelNaga]

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

[9ideon]

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

Yes, the amount of damage to Russian economy has already been calculated, we can survive almost 20 years on our own, with reserves and current deals. By that time the China pipeline will be fully working and others as well, it matters little what the NordStream 2 pipeline does or even exists by then.

Even Europe has blocked the US sanctions on existing Gas deals, so we just remain going as we were 2 weeks ago, no change at all.

Sanctions are useless because none of them affect existing deals which is good income. :)



He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.
Always 3 steps ahead, so annoying! :P

Russia has been nbr1 in buying up gold for years (not sure about the last couple), it basically means the Ruble is backed by Gold iso Oil, this will serve the Russians quite well, especially with those weak arse sanctions coming. Russia learned a huge lesson the past 30 years and has been preparing. Another thing, you make an agreement with a Russian, you better keep it, they will.

[muxfolder]

I suggest ..stop watching the news

This always works for me. Don't read news, don't watch news, don't read any social media, only be with loved ones and have a couple of beers, try to relax. It's been over 2 years since this worldwide MK-ULTRA experiment began with Covid-threat and now it's WW3-threat. They do need people to be afraid all the time. Otherwise can't push any restrictions or new rules. It's been hell of a ride. But yet we're still alive to see the next day. :)

[Mashika]

[QUOTE=Agape;1484858]Even if all the above is practically true, kindly realise that Ukraine is sovereign nation who won’t submit their legacy and government overnight and under threat of power.
I don’t see this would happen any soon and this being subversive and technological war of 21st century , they will fight back by all and any means.

They’re on their last leg , for sure. Now that they’ve been shot to it, they will fight to the last man.


Pray everyone stopped fighting right now or we all may also end up in another staged nuclear disaster.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuRp2zoKd2s

Peace Bells on 🙏🛎🙏

According to this, the US should immediately acknowledge Taiwan and HongKong as part of China, under the "One China" policy

How do you you feel about that?


Quite right on the opposite : but I think that we all are feeling even little more upset about the situation in Europe than usually and mixing plums and apples does not help.



Not even the UN secretary would care to compare the situation between Taiwan , Hongkong and Ukraine as legally adequate.

He quite said a few things he wasn't supposed to say, he's not better than any person on the street as far as i can see him, He lies about things and pretends not to know the reality of what's truly going on in Donbass for 8 years. That's not a respectable person, in my eyes, because of his position and access to information.



Why offending as many parties at once as possible ?

Si hablamos de matar mis palabras matan. I speak up and can't be running around beating the bushes, i'm truly sorry, the way i had to grow up made me a very straight and sometimes very hard person to deal with, but it's most times out of my own control. You don't survive by being nice with words out there, i'ts a very slow and hard road once you want to change it, you would have to be there to understand why it's required to survive another day. But i never try to insult or harm anyone by speaking up, it's needed to raise awareness and force people to pay attention immediately, and not much more



So self convinced of your power ?

Not at all, i don't have any, i used to, but i don't at all. Arrogance such as that one is more like the one we would see from the American government. I'm just hard but it does affect people some times in this way



Don’t get angry on us Masha. I’ve seen young kids, people fighting in consignment in all kinds of wars who had to but once they’ve got out they’re out. They’ve suffered but hate no one. We all have suffered for many reasons and I see no reason for the history to be repeating itself in rounds.

Well as you can see we are not still out, there's a very big difference, i have to live day by day with attacks in several ways that keep me going on the defensive with everything i say online

Even when i joined Avalon, just a few weeks after i got an attempt on my life, someone dropped house made explosives on the door of the building i was living in, after kicking the door open, one exploded and one failed, but a kid went to see what had happened and he could have died there if the second bomb had exploded. It was a very bad situation, that was around 2 years ago. It never ends for people like me. It's not a thing of the past see?

I don't repeat history, but i do get tired when i see people repeating lines they do not understand and then when explained how they are wrong, even with evidence, they try to go through the tangent and keep going along without any acceptance that they may have misjudged the situation entirely because they don't know the full details.

You can always say that we can beat around the bushes for 10 more years until it doesn't matter anymore. But we could also stop on our tracks, inspect the full details of the current situation and put a stop on it right now, not 20 years from now in a very slow process that won't matter anymore since we may not even be alive by then

I want to see something happening in my life time, not wait for who knows how many years. That's why i get involved in the current affair in a very direct form instead of just giving leads to what i may or may not think

I'm not sure if i am explaining myself in a good way here. I'm sorry if i'm not

In the position i am, i can't just say "someone will figure it out". It's people like me who is "someone that will figure it out"

"Who if not us" is the key sentence here. Because we can't depend on anyone else to do this for us

So it's not "power", it's a privilege to be able to serve, and my will that is mistaken for some kind of self entitlement or power lust. Lots of my friends lost their lives out there, and they spoke as strong or more than me, it was not a lust for power or any kind of power trip, it was because if you don't speak up strong, people will die, not "may" but it is certain they will die. This is far removed from you, but it's not for me, we are watching in real time and i have never lied about how i am, i'm just exactly the same as they are. I can't just switch to not be me, This is hard

When i joined the Nashi and went there, i did not think about just wishing them the best, i knew i was in for a real fight and that i could die and we all did. We knew some of us would not make it back. It's not about wishing the best or anything like that, you know that you may and most likely will die, but you still go

Because you can't help yourself when you look at little kids that just got orphaned by a crazy imbecile with a military uniform and Nazi patches who laughs at the misery of the kids. Or the lies you see on tv or anywhere else about what truly goes on.

No amount of tender spiritual wishes will fix that. You have to unfortunately go a shoot them down, or they will keep raping and killing and torturing and then lying all about it, and people will accept their lies because the voices of the victims have been silenced

That's why i joined and if i were able to i would do it again, unfortunately i can't anymore. But if i could, i would be there just now

One of the hardest thing in life is being 17 and be watching over kids as young as 13 and listen to them crying at night trying to hide the crying, so that they won't be bullied for being weak, when they saw they parents in pieces due to mortar shells thrown from the Ukrainian side at the afternoon

No one is prepared for that, and then you cry too in silence and have to make yourself strong as a rock because now you are their parent figure, while you are basically equally weak

That's just some part of it, the other one is having to speak to them after one of their friends is just gone. How do you even start? So you become a rock or otherwise won't be able to lead or survive

And they won't take anything but the truth but also will break apart in your hands like a little piece of ice, so is not easy to do that. No song or nice words will fix them up, it's a life long job from then on

That's why we are the way we are, it's hard, is not easy to express at all, ever

[Gwin Ru]

...

... sitrep from Jim Stone:
GAME ON: ALL OUT RUSSIAN TAKEOVER OF ALL of Ukraine and possibly more. (http://82.221.129.208/1/.to7.html)

EU diplomats are proposing sanctions on Russia while the white house considers options. SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS MEANS "Oh sh*t". Russia might simply enforce this with it's nuclear deterrent. Russian troops are now seen securing multiple airfields in Ukraine, if not all of them. The few Ukranian fighters that have been spotted are probably flying in from other countries.

There is now active fighting at Chernobyl, with rumor being that nukes are hidden there and Russia is going to get them. Other rumors are that Russia wants to prevent "that dirty bomb waiting to happen" from being used for exactly that.

The U.S. is now speaking up, saying Moscow is focusing on taking Kiev and decapitating the Ukranian government (duh)

Highways are bumper to bumper "bug out" and Russia is leaving them alone.

The usual war propaganda is in place, with both sides calling each other "bad". The difference between now and other wars? Twitter.

There was a small anti-war protest on Novosibirsk Russia that was quickly put away. Novosibirsk is a large city in Siberia with a population of 1.6 million.

Rumor has it that Putin has officially declared war

Last night Russia claimed to have completely destroyed all of Ukraine's air force, but today Ukraine has planes in the air.

Last night there was rumor that Turkey helped Ukraine in the initial hours of the current battle, and today a Turkish cargo ship was hit by a bomb in the black sea

Video has now surfaced of a Ukranian jet attacking Ukranian residential areas to back stab Russia. (https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496861905478111238) So you know who's in charge of Ukraine - the white house.

Rumor has it that Russia is trying to take over Chernobyl BECAUSE NUKES WERE STACHED THERE, with the lingering mess there being used to conceal them.

Rumor has it that China is going to take Taiwan now, and it is not rumor that Chinese jets are repeatedly entering Taiwan's airspace.


This is not rumor:


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Corrections may be made frequently because this is all progressing so rapidly now.

CHINA HAS OFFICIALLY DECLARED RUSSIA'S ACTIONS ARE NOT AN INVASION. So that's set, we know where China stands.

Russia has launched so many cruise missiles that there are many clear videos of them flying by. that takes a LOT of missiles.

A UKRANIAN SU-27, perhaps the only one they managed to get airborne was forced to land in Romania because Russia destroyed every landing strip in Ukraine.

Confirmed: Russian ground vehicles are already crossing into Ukraine (APC's and tanks)

Confirmed: Fox News reporter killed.

Russia is now claiming it completely neutralized Ukraine's entire air force before Ukraine managed to get a single plane off the ground.

Actually cool: Perfectly captured video of a Russian cruise missile flying by (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496732251991728128) A CLASSIC "lucky shot"


http://82.221.129.208/1/presidentoffice.jpg


Bug out traffic jams in Kiev. Bugging out last minute does not cut it!


America's doomsday plane has taken off

Amphibious landing at Odessa UPDATE: Apparently rumor.

Nato invoking Article 4. This means they are going to have a powow but no decision to react has been reached yet.

Russia knocked CNN's reporters offline in Kiev

America has moved the government into bunkers

One Russian jet shot down

Ukraine is claiming 5 Russian jets shot down. UPDATE: Russia has stated they have not used airstrikes at all, everything that has exploded so far (three hours into this) has been due to artillery, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. That means Ukraine probably shot down NOTHING. RUMOR: An hour and a half into the attack, Ukraine's entire navy has been sunk. UPDATE: NOT RUMOR, all ships sunk and Russia is now, less than two hours in, occupying all naval bases.

Not rumor: Russia has blown up so many ammo depots they can't even be kept up with.

2.5 hours into the attacks and Russia has declared Ukraine's entire military disabled.

It appears many Ukranians hate the U.S. "occupation" so badly they did not fight at all. Why would they when U.S. backed groups routinely shelled them?

Only two hours into this, and Russia is already beginning to capture Ukranian officials

OBVIOUS: Russia is one-upping "shock and awe" MASSIVELY, to let the West know hands had best be kept off. Shock and awe was not like this, not so fast, and Ukraine was far better equipped than Saddam.

FACT: Ukraine is getting wiped out like dirt off a windshield.

Everyone is calling Biden weak, and saying this would never have happened under Trump.

Biden has promised "tough sanctions" in response to Russia wiping Ukraine's entire military out.


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It took them 45 minutes to shut down several airports including the military airfield in Kiev, a Nato airfield in Boryspil, with live fire and within an hour they took over the airport in Kyiv with boots on the ground, fully occupied. It happened with mind blowing speed. So I put on a pot of coffee, I think I'm doing the late shift.

An hour or so after the initiation of the full on assault, live cams are going down all over Ukraine. I was watching one with 4 different cameras at once and it looked like nothing was going on and blip all 4 went down simultaneously. And other people are reporting more than that down. Massive explosions in Mariupol (https://twitter.com/AndreyZhukovv/status/1496690287476973569)

Military base in Chuhuiv was destroyed. Destroyed??? Russia is going ALL OUT.


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[9ideon]

What puzzles me more is that Zelenskyy actually thinks he's winning. Very bizarre.

[Vangelo]

Here are the facts as I understand them.

Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

May I ask, what the source of information is that gave you this understanding? Western MSM?



Someone I know in Ukraine who has seen Russian tanks.



...

Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

Maybe not but maybe they did. Killing its own people might not be an act of war or maybe it is. In any case we certainly do not know everything what happened over the past 8 years. So again, maybe not but maybe they have




I was referring to a specific act toward Russia and not commenting on the activities in Donbass region.

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1496886256038563840?s=20&t=iIAZ36H8LeoOR17Euz1Bcw

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[Open Minded Dude]

US bioweapons labs in Ukraine: what will Russia find in the labs?
Russia's military operation in Ukraine seems to be going very well. Of course, the initial reports should be taken with a grain of salt. But the question arises, what will the Russians find in Ukraine?
From anti-mirror
February 24, 2022 6:19 pm

The reports of the first day of the Russian military operation in Ukraine show that the Ukrainian army does not have much to counter the Russian forces. The Ukrainian army was heavily armed by NATO, but since most Ukrainian soldiers were conscripted to serve against their will, their fighting spirit seems to be decidedly low. In many places it is reported that the Russian army met no resistance at the border and was literally waved through by the Ukrainian forces.

Where fighting has occurred, Ukrainian soldiers have waved white flags. This is not true everywhere, but it seems to have happened very frequently. However, the so-called volunteer battalions in particular, composed of volunteer Ukrainian nationalists, are probably resisting fiercely.

Russia reports that there is no longer a functioning military airport in Ukraine and that a great deal of weaponry, especially anti-aircraft and artillery, was destroyed in the first few hours. The shooting down of several Turkish-made Bayraktar drones was also reported. CNN filmed Russian soldiers allegedly occupying Kiev airport.

This would make sense, as Russia has announced that one of the goals of the military operation is to denazify Ukraine. Apparently, the occupation of civilian airports is intended to limit the ability of those responsible in Ukraine to escape.
U.S. bioweapons labs in Ukraine.

I have often reported that the U.S., more specifically the Pentagon, operates several bioweapons labs in Ukraine. The last time I reported on this was on January 27. The U.S. has always refused international inspections of its labs, so no one knows what they are researching in these labs. But we can assume that Russian special forces will take a closer look at these labs in the coming days.

And this seems to be exactly a can of worms. A tweet was posted on Twitter about this and the user was immediately blocked. I won't go into the content of the tweet, which can still be found in an Internet archive. If you are interested, you can view it here.

My point is that Twitter was so quick to delete a tweet and its author merely for pointing out that there are U.S. bioweapons labs in Ukraine and that it looks like their capture is one of the important targets of the Russian military operation.
Who else Russia is looking for in Ukraine

Russian President Putin, in his address to the nation on Monday, said the following about the May 2014 Odessa tragedy, in which nearly 50 people were burned alive by radical Maidan supporters and which has never been resolved in Ukraine:

"The criminals who committed this atrocity have not been punished and no one is looking for them. But we know their names and will do everything to punish them, find them and bring them to justice."

Considering that the Russian army is also on its way to Odessa, some people there might be getting very nervous right now and trying to leave the city quickly.

The same goes for the radical neo-Nazis who are in power in Ukraine. On Russian television, Russian officials say that they also want to hold those responsible for other crimes, for example in the Donbass (you can find an example here), accountable.

https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/us-biowaffenlabore-in-der-ukraine-was-wird-russland-in-den-labors-finden/

[Zamolxe]

Meanwhile in Russia, anti-war protesters are being arrested on the spot.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496911351389769733
https://twitter.com/novaya_gazeta/status/1496876696334708738



So much for free speech and the right to protest.

Even worse than in Canada, right?

1984? Police state?



https://twitter.com/EJ_Burrows/status/1496879550667669507

[Isserley]

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

[Zamolxe]

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can wrote such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

There's a narrative being pushed here

[Zamolxe]

I.Don't.Care.About.Media.In.Any.Possible.Way

I know better, i did not look at it from far away or was paid to lie:bearhug:

Hey, thanks for all your posts on this.

I asked you this a few days ago, but things seems to be changing pretty fast — in many ways. What's your best guess right now about what may happen during the next few days, or the next week?

Hi Bill,

I was just wondering, why do you ask for Malisa's opinion about this?
I mean after none of her previous predictions and takes around this subject have been correct.

Like: Ukraine is about to invade Donbass, Russia will not invade Ukraine, Russia not massed around the borders, Russia there just for exercises, Russian tanks not in attack positions, denying false flags that have then been proven without a doubt, all the other word for word propaganda from russian state media, misrepresenting facts, mislabeling info, misrepresenting other people's posts etc, etc.

All the while viciously attacking anybody that was questioning her points. Not ever admiting that maybe an opinion of hers could be wrong, even after the multiple times it was 100% without a doubt proven to be so. Never backing down from her narrative, even wen proven wrong.

Like the cases explained

here

here

here

I mean, I'm just trying to help and give you the chance to explain this, as people are starting to think that avalon is pushing a narrative.
And I don't want those opinions to run rampant and unchecked.

[Zamolxe]

Last time this narrative was being pushed was 8 years ago. I got into an identical debate with a guy called Corey Goode, don't know if you remember him ;)
I had to take a 6 year break from Avalon because of how disappointed I was to the propaganda level regarding Russia. And everyone was propping the guy up, no support for facts and logic.


here

Basically using the same disinformation/deflection/ad hominem/straw man tactics used here. Exactly the same.

But back then, he was a golden boy here. I wonder why you guys had a fall out, clearly you were coordinating with each other.

The Ukrainian people's blood will never wash off your hands

[Bill Ryan]

I was just wondering, why do you ask for Malisa's opinion about this?


She's super-smart.
She's bilingual (actually, trilingual).
She fought, evidently very effectively, on what could be called the front line with a loaded gun in her hands.
There's every reason to believe that she has access to information that we may not find anywhere in the controlled Western media — including news reports in Russian, both mainstream and alternative.

For me, that makes her a valuable source of information of all kinds, not just another Avalon member (self included!) posting opinions and best-guesses. Malisa is (and has been) closer to all this than any of us.

You clearly don't like her. But that's not a problem, and I'm sure it's not a problem to her. :) What may be interesting and valuable to listen to is what she actually has to share. She's "been there" (literally and figuratively) — while as best I know none of the rest of us have, including yourself.



There's a narrative being pushed hereThe "narrative" I'm "pushing" personally is to discuss


What's really happening on the ground (if it's possible to know);
What might happen next on the ground;
The geopolitical implications (including economic impact on regular people everywhere);
How this dovetails into the NWO/WEF agenda, and to what extent a major war (an economic war or a shooting war) might benefit the Biden administration (because they sure do seem to want that. Mid-term US elections canceled later this year? This may be a deus ex machina.)

While I'm very strongly focused on all of this and all its aspects (and every time I hear Malisa share a few more of her personal stories, I'm both amazed and appalled :flower: ) I'm not so much interested in the asserted rights and wrongs of cultural allegiance, borders and their history, or who "fired the first shots" — metaphorically speaking.

I strongly suspect there's a bigger picture in play here (there usually is!), and maybe we can all work together to piece that together from all the available evidence.

At the moment, my hypothesis (an opinion and a guess!) is this:

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Reasons and reasons....


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-60505319


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-60505319

Viking

[Gwin Ru]

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[mountain_jim]

Glenn Greenwald via email



The War in Ukraine
Today at 12 noon EST, I'll be live on Rumble to discuss the ongoing conflict, its multiple dangers, and what role the U.S. should play, if any, in its outcome.

The outbreak of war between two or more nations is obviously one of the worst events that can happen for humanity, if not clearly the single worst. For that reason, when it happens, emotions are extremely high; nationalism and tribalism surge; the range of permissible debate radically shrinks; the political and media class unite in lockstep messaging across the political spectrum; and anyone even slightly off-key or questioning of that script is hunted down and held up as a heretic and traitor, as you can see happening here:




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This toxic climate naturally fosters high incentives to either cling faithfully to the script or remain silent, at least until more space opens up for dissent. Attempting to do anything other than recite from the officially imposed book of conventional wisdom is particularly futile, at best, on social media. Thirty years ago, Noam Chomsky explained why the inherent constraints of network television — specifically, the demand that all points be made quickly, in three or four minutes between television breaks: i.e., what television news professionals refer to as “the need for concision” — ensures that conventional wisdom can only be affirmed but never meaningfully challenged:

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With all that in mind, I have no intention of trying to use social media to discuss this highly complex and dangerous war, one that produces intense levels of emotionalism and tribal unity. As I saw when I was on Fox News last night (https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlkD1vxCAMhn_NMUbhOwwMXbpV6tAdkeDL0RISEXOn_PuSi2TZgHj92s_kEea1HHZbdyRncnhsYDO89gSIUEjdobgYLB2GXjDJ SbAi0EEOJO7uXgAWH5PFUoFsdUxx8hjX_FawQSlGHhbACB-0FLqncpSDaEVIOQJQyfnkL2NfQ4Q8gYUnlGPNQJJ9IG77jX_c2GcLfMVzpG5al3b7-W6qr5gS5Bx9ai87eqx7O1BhlO4FV0YZLTiVUpFoWc_OEFRJRmnHOi4nPQTwoxEcFPfd8zFqXkZ_E_0ys26vY2s5_Z2GpNhlrRl9z O43Lu3HvawZ4zXOubprdak54uEg-zFBuKjgBffNyc2QoTTowXm0VAmpGZWD0UZcEBo2YZjRSkrS7MPaVNnODXN--RT-AVD3j3I) (and I will be again tonight at 8 pm EST with Tucker Carlson), even the quick format of cable news makes it difficult to expound deeply on important points.

As a result, today at noon EST, I will be on Rumble live to discuss the evolving war in Ukraine and the debate over what role the U.S. should play, if any, in its outcome. You can watch my video discussion at this link (https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlkNuOhCAMhp9muBsjJ8ULLvZmX4OgVGVHwGBx4tsvMyZNm6aHv_0mi7CkfOk9HUg-zuC1g47wPjZAhEzKAdl4p6lSrWCSE6eFo0oq4g8zZ4Bg_aYxFyB7GTc_WfQpfieY6jpGVi1lD9zZ1rWDkzN1NbfQtZZxRmeh-lvYFuchTqDhhHylCGTTK-J-PPjPg_1WyyWMGzRTCjU5z-w4PnGF59vmp4_P8srWR2hWDBvxmrXsY4J2klHasIbLqVcO7DgIDh23zbmOPc-jfYg2LKw5ynignV4fAZJ1SCViXWj-fKgdc04RPeRvtX5qagwlerwMRFvvcjcEvFl-sZgFIuTK2BmLmnZC9oxKNfSDuH-ulMTAhr6TklR5l-pU1EulGt92c_8plIyd). Being able to speak freely and without the structural constraints described by Chomsky or, worse, the cauldron of distortion and rage that is Twitter, is of vital importance if one wishes to examines these weighty questions in a rational and measured way. I hope as many of you who can will watch the show live — it starts in just twenty minutes — but if not, it will, like all videos, be on Rumble to watch at any point after. I will also certainly have more in-depth articles here in the days ahead as time permits.

[lake]

I have to not agree Bill :(




She's super-smart.


That is YOUR opinion. She/he comes across as a child to me!




She's bilingual (actually, trilingual).


I have a mate in Belgium who's children speak 4 languages and write them! They learn't Flemish and French as kids and then most of the music they listened to was in English .... and after that they learn't Spanish.
But they are thick as two short planks and even my mate says they are!




She fought, evidently very effectively, on what could be called the front line with a loaded gun in her hands.


She/he has posted about that .... But you have been "taken in" a few times before Bill!
Such as .... Corey, Simon Parkes and Charles.
So I do not know!

Who except her/he has any proof of claim .... do you?




There's every reason to believe that she has access to information that we may not find anywhere in the controlled Western media — including news reports in Russian, both mainstream and alternative.



Yes .... But that could be anyone on here! .... But we should also take care about confusing emotional interaction and consideration of events!



Malisa is (and has been) closer to all this than any of us.


You do not know that for a fact .... unless you have information we do not!

and I know this post goes against most here .... but I am not after 'likes', just truth .... so sod it :)

[Ewan]

I have to not agree Bill :(




She's super-smart.


That is YOUR opinion. She/he comes across as a child to me!



With the greatest respect to you Lake, and Malisa, you can be super-smart and still prone to emotional reactions when you are young. Will you still be around when Malisa turns 50? I certainly won't but I'd venture a guess that she will be less emotional and even smarter.

TBH I cringe at times when I recall my younger self, don't you?

[mountain_jim]

That US Ukraine biolab thread I posted this morning and then watched the twitter user get nuked while I was editing?

It's archived here (https://web.archive.org/web/20220224091530/https://twitter.com/warclandestine/status/1496745429672857602?s=21)

[edina]

That US Ukraine biolab thread I posted this morning and then watched the twitter user get nuked while I was editing?

It's archived here (https://web.archive.org/web/20220224091530/https://twitter.com/warclandestine/status/1496745429672857602?s=21)

Here's a link to an archive of the emails thread he mentions in the last tweet, from 20220118, for anyone interested.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220118155330/https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1483466289628778504

********

A couple of other places to track what's happening and for insight/perspective is George Eliason's twitter feed (https://twitter.com/gheliason), and The Saker (https://thesaker.is/russian-military-operation-in-the-ukraine-open-thread/).

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1496872389161881601?s=20&t=VAxHMHvsKC2Si8JyUuAR-Q

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[Open Minded Dude]

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

I also believed this a long time. But I've seen evidence to the contrary too. THere is also a good documentary based on facts, need to search it again.

[Vangelo]

Shelling is occurring in Kharkiv Ukraine

[ExomatrixTV]

Bombings In Ukraine Leave Dozens Dead:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Ukraine & Russia: Is China Next? MY THOUGHTS (Just To Make You Think)!:

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[Gwin Ru]

...



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[ExomatrixTV]

Ukraine Reporter Shares What's Happening on the Ground During Russia Invasion, w/ Nataliya Gumenyuk:

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Megyn Kelly is joined by Ukrainian journalist Nataliya Gumenyuk to discuss what's happening right now on the ground in Ukraine, what the Ukrainian people expect to happen next, and more.


Russia Invades Ukraine, with Mike Pompeo, Jim Geraghty, Konstantin Kisin, and Nataliya Gumenyuk:

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Putin has ordered Russia to invade Ukraine. Megyn Kelly covers the latest breaking news from all angles, with Mike Pompeo, former Secretary of State, Jim Geraghty, senior political correspondent for "National Review," Konstantin Kisin, co-host of the Triggernometry podcast, and Ukrainian journalist Nataliya Gumenyuk. Covering how a weak and distracted West empowered Putin's invasion, what Putin's motives and goals are for invading Ukraine, what may happen next in the region, the possibility of China being emboldened now, what President Biden is saying and doing, the failures of the U.N. and U.S. to deter Putin's quest for power, what this will mean for America's economy, what Putin's statements say about his next moves, what Trump would have done if Putin took this action under his presidency, the latest on the ground in Ukraine, and more.

[Mashika]

I have to not agree Bill :(




She's super-smart.


That is YOUR opinion. She/he comes across as a child to me!




She's bilingual (actually, trilingual).


I have a mate in Belgium who's children speak 4 languages and write them! They learn't Flemish and French as kids and then most of the music they listened to was in English .... and after that they learn't Spanish.
But they are thick as two short planks and even my mate says they are!




She fought, evidently very effectively, on what could be called the front line with a loaded gun in her hands.


She/he has posted about that .... But you have been "taken in" a few times before Bill!
Such as .... Corey, Simon Parkes and Charles.
So I do not know!

Who except her/he has any proof of claim .... do you?




There's every reason to believe that she has access to information that we may not find anywhere in the controlled Western media — including news reports in Russian, both mainstream and alternative.



Yes .... But that could be anyone on here! .... But we should also take care about confusing emotional interaction and consideration of events!



Malisa is (and has been) closer to all this than any of us.


You do not know that for a fact .... unless you have information we do not!

and I know this post goes against most here .... but I am not after 'likes', just truth .... so sod it :)

I never intended to share that in public, i was forced to do it because i had previously shared in private with someone and i felt that person could use it against me somehow, so i had to come clean. Otherwise it would still be something that no one needed to know as it had been before

I don't intend or have anything to win with sharing that. In fact the total opposite, every time i share it some people tend to distance from me, i already explained that

I don't need to explain myself to anyone, i share what i think and let it be, like what i say or not that's on you. I am not going to judge anyone



Who except her/he has any proof of claim .... do you?

When i ask you for money or anything in return then i'll show you who i am. I'm not a public person and i intend to remain private. I have never talked about any of that stuff outside Avalon, and i have my private reasons to keep it here and will probably never talk about again. Why do you think i owe you anything?



You do not know that for a fact .... unless you have information we do not!

And if he did he would not be required to share it with anyone, because as i already said, i am not expecting anything from anyone or trying to do anything with my life experiences. It is done and once again i only talked about it in an open way to prevent someone else harming me because i was betrayed.

Also, discussing a person here is in bad taste, i don't even know why that person started this questioning. That's a very odd fixation to have

If i'm childish i don't care, i'm the way i am, is this one of those ridiculous "i'm 40 so i expect you to act 40 when you talk to me, or i'm 60 and you better act 60 like me, or i'm bitter, why are you not bitter like me?" things?

I cope with PTSD the way i do and that's no one's problem but me. Would you rather me go all bitter and violent and demand that everyone stops having fun because i'm bitter and broken inside? That's just illogical and none-sensical

That's all

[Mashika]

'It hardly needs mentioning that if the US or NATO were doing what Russia is doing, the media would be regaling us with breathless reports of military strikes of "pinpoint accuracy" and solemn, approving commentary from the usual "experts."'
https://twitter.com/GeorgeSzamuely/status/1496812929227935750

[holcaul]

I have to not agree Bill :(




She's super-smart.


That is YOUR opinion. She/he comes across as a child to me!




She's bilingual (actually, trilingual).


I have a mate in Belgium who's children speak 4 languages and write them! They learn't Flemish and French as kids and then most of the music they listened to was in English .... and after that they learn't Spanish.
But they are thick as two short planks and even my mate says they are!




She fought, evidently very effectively, on what could be called the front line with a loaded gun in her hands.


She/he has posted about that .... But you have been "taken in" a few times before Bill!
Such as .... Corey, Simon Parkes and Charles.
So I do not know!

Who except her/he has any proof of claim .... do you?




There's every reason to believe that she has access to information that we may not find anywhere in the controlled Western media — including news reports in Russian, both mainstream and alternative.



Yes .... But that could be anyone on here! .... But we should also take care about confusing emotional interaction and consideration of events!



Malisa is (and has been) closer to all this than any of us.


You do not know that for a fact .... unless you have information we do not!

and I know this post goes against most here .... but I am not after 'likes', just truth .... so sod it :)

100% agree with everything pointed out here by lake!

I love you Bill, but lake is right.

Just my opinion.

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

Jeez, guys. We're discussing WW3 here.

:focus: :thumbsup: :flower:

[holcaul]

Truth About Ukraine/Russia NOT What You Think

Today's Jimmy Dore Show. I love his take.

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[Mashika]

This person was a Nazi supporter, killed lots of people back in 2014 and was very proud of it, took pictures with their Nazi flags and bragged a lot online

Now she's crying and asking for help. It's not the same to kill unarmed civilians than to go face to face with a true army, isn't it? She's not a victim, she killed innocent people and was proud of it

https://twitter.com/colonelhomsi/status/1496922640136687616

[Mashika]

Acting like a child while accusing someone else to be childish is childish :P

"Tell me you are resentful without telling me you are resentful"

Have some class, self-respect and dignity. Attacking someone like that is very low, have better standards of life, please

I'm going to ignore these low attacks from now on.

Have a nice day

[Lilyofthestars]

Removing this entire comment due to no longer holding the perspective I did a year ago.. Glad my eyes have finally been opened on the Ukraine/Russia crisis.

[Mashika]

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1496939560776998919

There have been attacks to the internet all night and still continue, lots of sites can't load because of it, even Avalon seems to be very slow to load but i suppose is for the same reason, the major ISPs are getting attacked right now, but mostly on the western part of Russia it seems

[Mashika]

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I for one will say that my heart aches and weeps for Ukraine. I will not be manipulated by any of the propaganda on either side of the line. I do however believe Ukrainians on the ground. Over the last week, I have taken an extensive amount of time to carefully listen to as many interviews as possible with Ukrainians (by the dozens) and ultimately feel convinced that this is 100% Putin's madness to blame, and that he has gone insane. No, such people are not paid actors. This is not another Sandy Hook Alex Jones drama.

I know that NATO and its side of the narrative is widely half-truths. The realities of the World Wide Economic forum, the Great reset, and who will lead the coming world post 2030 has MORE to do with this than anyone could imagine, in my opinion. But that does not mean that everything we are learning about what is going on in Ukraine at the hands of Putin's murderous spirit is 100% propaganda by the Ukrainian government. This is a man who poisons and kills his enemies and anyone who stands up to him.

I call BS to anyone who is saying that Putin is not the aggressor here. Videos and Images do not lie. Sure, some of you can say that much of the imagery and videos circulating around could be from old Russian/Ukraine confrontations from 2014/15, but that is only a few instances. All of which have accurately been called out already. Even the BBC (who apparently is all lying propaganda, right? and yes, that was sarcasm), has fully admitted that some of the videos/images coming out need to be properly labeled as old footage that is not related to the current devastation occurring.

But make no mistake, there IS DEVASTATION going on all over Ukraine at the moment. I have seen enough footage from dozens of towns now. Its happening. And yes, its at the hand of Russian soldiers. It is not the Ukrainian military bombing its own people to make Putin look aggressive. What has this become, a 4chan channel?

Ukraine is so much more ancient than modern Russia or the Oligarch families who rule it. Thank God Russians are taking to the streets in Moscow and protesting. What Putin is doing isn't justifiable and he is a liar. I am in disbelief that there is even any debate here about who is causing all of this. Yes, yes. I know the layers go intricately deep, deeper than any of us could imagine who are not directly Russian or Ukrainian. However, videos and images do not lie. And most of the current circulating videos/photography are indeed current.

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And here

Russia-Ukraine crisis: Graphic photos show bloodied civilians amid invasion (https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-ukraine-crisis-graphic-photos-bloodied-civilians-invasion)

Everyone keeps saying that the narrative is in "reverse", as in I keep seeing claims (in other places other than Avalon), that its really Ukraine who is deliberately manufacturing all of this to somehow paint a false narrative that Putin is invading. That he's simply there "meeting" Ukraine's supposed aggression. What planet are such people living on? For all you can say about how terrible the "west" media is, it has actually done an impeccable job with boots on the ground interviews and coverage in Ukraine for days now. I have been quite impressed with with the accurate interviews and coverage of yes, WESTERN media journalists who are IN UKRAINE right now speaking to people in the streets constantly.

A certain person here who has past dealings living in Ukraine, no longer lives there. Her input is greatly valued. But keep in mind, Ukraine itself is widely divided. You have the minority of Ukrainians who will defend Putin and his actions to the very bitter end, then you have what truly appears to be far MORE Ukrainians who are terrified of him and who he has proven himself to be over the years. If Ukrainians were so happy about Putin invading and actually wanted to become a part of the motherland of Russia, they wouldn't all be fleeing by the millions. STOP supporting this tyranny and madness by making excuses for Putin.

This isn't a NATO VERSUS Russia Debate. This should be a humanitarian crisis debate alone. Screw government agendas. Just look at the realities of what Putin is trying to pull off. I don't care about NATO's lies at this point. What is evident is the psychopathic/sociopathic mentality of Putin at the moment and how many thousands of people will die due to his inability to allow Ukraine to make their own decisions as a sovereign nation. So what if it use to be a part of Russia? It isn't anymore and hasn't been for 30 years. A majority of the people have spoken. They do not want to be a part of Russia. NATO's evils and agendas are another debate for another time. Putin's government and style of governance is no less or more corrupt than NATO and its allies are. I say they're all not to be trusted.

Ukraine is truly being used as a Sacrificial lamb by both sides and I find it despicable that NATO will not lift a pinky finger to stop this. Ukraine turned over almost all of their nuclear stock pile in hopes to one day be a part of NATO. They were assured securities and help should the need ever arise. NATO owes them protection at this point, even if they aren't a part of NATO yet. I can only imagine how abandoned Ukrainians are feeling at the moment.

Lastly, my understanding is that the "Nashi", which is a now nonexistent group (unless they just rebranded?), were entirely Pro-Putin on every level. Putin apparently funded it. So, I guess that says everything about the sentiments I am seeing fly around.
Here's a review of the Nashi. It at least provides the basics. Nashi Overview and history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_%28youth_movement%29). I realize that some of this is up for debate, but overall I am sure the article is fairly accurate concerning how they were used by Putin to further his agenda. I'd go as far as to say even manipulated and lied to. Their suffering used as a finely tuned weapon.

To quote:


Nashi's close ties with the Kremlin have been emphasized by Vladislav Surkov, Deputy Presidential Chief of Staff (1999-2011), who met with the movement's activists on numerous occasions, delivering speeches and holding private talks. It has been speculated that the Kremlin's primary goal was to create a paramilitary force to harass and attack Vladimir Putin's critics as "enemies of the State". At a political education event in summer 2006, the Kremlin advisor Gleb Pavlovsky told Nashi members that they "lacked brutality": "you must be prepared", he went on, "to break up fascist demonstrations and prevent with force any attempt to overthrow the constitution" (source is adequately cited here). Critics have compared Nashi to the Soviet Komsomol and the Hitler Youth.

Make what you will of that. I think Malisa is a wonderful person on the forum. But I also believe that War and unthinkable human abuses can warp one's mind and soul in such a way that you can't always see properly. Evil exists everywhere. There is no one culture/ethnicity that doesn't have rapists, murderers, and psychopaths misusing their positions of power. Especially when it comes to any given nation's military. You can not generalize all Ukrainians or all Russians, nor more than you could Arabs or Jews. One can say "A Ukrainian soldier did this to me or my loved one and therefore I will support the opposing side", but those experiences can't possibly reflect the "all" of Ukrainian soldiers. All men that wear a uniform for ANY country are capable of extreme human abuses during times of war. It goes with the territory of being a trained killer. Sadly, people (as in the regular citizens who become causalities of such cruelties) seek revenge on those they feel are responsible for their pain and suffering. It also means that once someone has seen a loved one brutally hurt or murdered by one side, they will never trust anyone from that side again. This is how extremist terrorist groups are amassed and created. Its called being blind because you were hurt by someone on the other side of the line.

At this point, I stand with Ukraine and I trust the "West" narrative far more than what I'm seeing coming out of Putin's mouth on an hourly basis now. I am listening to both sides carefully and have been for weeks now. Putin is quickly spiraling out of control and his insanity grows more intense by the hour.

This video below is a just an example of what its like if you DARE not choose your words correctly when speaking with Putin. This man looks like he was about to faint in FEAR or piss his pants in terror. I am sure he knows far more about what Putin is capable of than any of us. It is not Propaganda, and never has been, that Putin murders and poisons all who oppose him.

o9A-u8EoWcI

The Nashi got corrupted, they started acting like Nazi groups just in the same way as the Azov, except they were anti nazi but still did similar things, it was terrible to watch.

Officially it ended in 2015 or so i believe, but internally it was dead since 2012 more or less. It was only one side of them that truly kept firm on their beliefs, the rest started abusing power and got more corrupt day by day until it was divided and then completely disbanded. Lots of Nashi ended up fighting in Donbass in 2014, some because they truly wanted to help the people there, and some just because they wanted to kill people and not much else. That's the reality of it all

[Mashika]

I disagree with Putin in a lot of things, in general i'm anti Putin

In this case i know what the people in Donbass has gone through, and what the Ukranians were capable of, i can't deny the people truly needed help and it was being neglected even by the UN for lots of years. There's a breaking point for that kind of stuff

If you can handle graphic images, here's a document about it, this among plenty other evidence like videos and more were delivered to the UN back then, they sat on it for years doing nothing about it
https://sledcom.ru/upload/site1/document_file/BELAYa_KNIGA_russkaya.pdf

The evidence was clear and was there, they had it and yet did nothing with it, so they can't claim they were not aware of what was going on. These were crimes against humanity

https://sledcom.ru/upload/site1/document_file/BELAYa_KNIGA_russkaya.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

I'm going to ignore these low attacks from now on.

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This topic is too important to get involved in personal criticism. We all need to figure out together, if we can, what's happening here. We've done it very successfully with a whole bunch of other issues that seem to bewilder quite a lot of people, so this should not be beyond us.

I'll say again: it's not about whether Putin is a bad guy or not. I'd suggest it's about


What the Globalist/NWO/WEF agenda may be;
What the US agenda may be;
What Putin's agenda may be;
What the impact may be on regular people round the world;
How this may escalate (or not);
Reliable news reports (and/or other information that we may not have easy access to) about what the heck is really happening in various critical places;
And while one's view of history may depend on where one lives and what one has been exposed to or influenced by, reliable historical information may also be very helpful to us all.

Many Avalon members are watching this thread, and all day there have been many more visitor guests. They're here because they're looking for reliable news updates, good information about every aspect of this, and/or because they may be concerned. I'd like to ask everyone to please do their best to share the highest quality information (and insights) that they can. THX.

:focus:

[edina]

Mod note from Bill:

Jeez, guys. We're discussing WW3 here.

:focus: :thumbsup: :flower:

I'm not convinced that this will lead to the so-called WW3, although there is a massive push on that narrative at the moment.
As a side note, I consider that what has happened to the continent of Africa to be WW3. That continent has been completely devastated by hybrid forms of war, perpetrated mostly by transnational organizations sometimes under the banner of a nation (US, Britain, Europe, China, ect.. ) and sometimes under the banner of United Nation NGO's.

I also think it's important to listen to Malisa's perspective, as I think it's important to listen the The Saker (https://thesaker.is/)and to George Eliason (https://twitter.com/gheliason), because of their personal experiences.

Right now, I'm listening to a virtual talk with Professor John Mearsheimer, on the context and history of the Ukraine from 20220221 (https://youtu.be/Nbj1AR_aAcE). Of course, he is coming from a more mainstream perspective which leaves out that the Ukraine had become a "captured" nation used by corrupt people for a wide range of horrendous crimes. My heart goes out to the people of Ukraine and all of Eastern Europe and other places that this has happened to over the last several decades.

Nbj1AR_aAcE

Professor John J. Mearsheimer is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, where he has taught since 1982. He graduated from West Point in 1970 and then served five years as an officer in the U.S. Air Force. He has published six immensely influential books on international relations theory. In 2020, he won the James Madison Award, which is given once every three years by the American Political Science Association to “an American political scientist who has made a distinguished scholarly contribution to political science.”

He brings up the issue of the US Monroe Doctrine, and applies the logic to Russia, which makes sense in my opinion.

Bernie Sanders does the same here:
https://twitter.com/SamiRamadani1/status/1496976574813544450

And while I don't think this will necessarily give way to WW3, I do think there is something much larger afoot.
I find myself looking around the edges, and at that place 6 feet behind me, rather than at the projector screen in front of me, if that makes sense.

[Lilyofthestars]

I disagree with Putin in a lot of things, in general i'm anti Putin


I wasn't sure.. Good to know that. There's so much to review here that I can't catch every message you write in to the forum. I'm glad to see you aren't defending his actions. This entire thing is horrifying and it will likely spiral into WWIII soon enough. Once China decides its a convenient time to take back Taiwan simultaneously (reports are pouring in that they're now eyeing the timing being good for it), the whole thing could spiral into World war incredibly fast.

[Hermoor]

Once China decides its a convenient time to take back Taiwan simultaneously (reports are pouring in that they're now eyeing the timing being good for it), the whole thing could spiral into World war incredibly fast.

My first thought when this all went hot was what kind of news is coming out from China now?

Do we have any reliable/recommended sources?

[I am B]

Psaky says Russian interests are beyond Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/white-house-says-putins-ambitions-stretch-beyond-ukraine-2022-02-24/



On the other hand, Morocco is setting up Israeli and Chinese missiles and Turkish drones threatening the spanish Ceuta and Melilla cities of the Gibraltar strait, and the Canary islands.

Its like everyone is preparing for global conflict.

[edina]

Once China decides its a convenient time to take back Taiwan simultaneously (reports are pouring in that they're now eyeing the timing being good for it), the whole thing could spiral into World war incredibly fast.

My first thought when this all went hot was what kind of news is coming out from China now?

Do we have any reliable/recommended sources?

Taiwan news is probably a good place to look for that....

9 Chinese military aircraft including 8 J-16 fighter jets, Y-8 reconnaissance plane intrude on SW corner of Taiwan's ADIZ (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4454487)

https://twitter.com/GeorgeSzamuely/status/1496839347173158918

[Patient]

Mod note from Bill:

Jeez, guys. We're discussing WW3 here.

:focus: :thumbsup: :flower:

I'm not convinced that this will lead to the so-called WW3, although there is a massive push of the narrative at the moment.
As a side note, I consider that what has happened to the continent of Africa to be WW3. That continent has been completely devastated by hybrid forms of war, perpetrated mostly by transnational organizations sometimes under the banner of a nation (US, Britain, Europe, China, ect.. ) and sometimes under the banner of United Nation NGO's.

I also think it's important to listen to Malisa's perspective, as I think it's important to listen the The Saker and to George Eliason, because of their personal experiences.

Right now, I'm listening to a virtual talk with Professor John Mearsheimer, on the context and history of the Ukraine from 20220221 (https://youtu.be/Nbj1AR_aAcE). Of course, he is coming from a more mainstream perspective which leaves out that the Ukraine had become a "captured" nation used by corrupt people for a wide range of horrendous crimes. My heart goes out the people of Ukraine and all of Eastern Europe and other places that this has happened to over the last several decades.

Nbj1AR_aAcE

Professor John J. Mearsheimer is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, where he has taught since 1982. He graduated from West Point in 1970 and then served five years as an officer in the U.S. Air Force. He has published six immensely influential books on international relations theory. In 2020, he won the James Madison Award, which is given once every three years by the American Political Science Association to “an American political scientist who has made a distinguished scholarly contribution to political science.”

He brings up the issue of the US Monroe Doctrine, and applies the logic to Russia, which makes sense in my opinion.

Bernie Sanders does the same here:
https://twitter.com/SamiRamadani1/status/1496976574813544450

And while I don't think this will necessarily give way to WW3, I do think there is something much larger afoot.
I find myself looking around the edges, and at that place 6 feet behind me, rather than at the projector screen in front of me, if that makes sense.

Depending upon how your life has been affected over the last 2 years, I think many people could say that we have been in WW3 already for longer than we realize.

It is just not a war that we are familiar with (from history and movies). And we are not sure who the enemy is, really.

IMHO, what is happening with Russia and Ukraine is a large fight with military weapons within the world war.

I expect that more people have died from poisoning over the last 18 months than will die in this military exchange.

And sadly, many more will follow - but most will die quietly and not reported in the press.

Let's try not to fight amongst ourselves as each person looks for a way to make sense and express themselves - people grieve in different ways for humanity and our planet.

I wish...and wish.

Like the theory that a butterfly can flap it's wings and the wind rises to a hurricane on the other side of the world - a person's one act of kindness each day will resonate through society enough to make a real difference.

If only everyone understood how their actions ripple through the world and used that knowledge for good without evil.

[Mashika]

People seem to be posting videos from Donbass refugees and claiming they are from Ukraine. I have seen several people claiming also that some tv channels are reproducing videos from people who got killed in Donbass or of the shelled buildings and also claiming it is from Ukraine

This is one example of it. Claims this is an Ukrainian father and his kid
https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1496984584453599238

Got called soon after, this is the truth
https://twitter.com/Kornilov1968/status/1496990625769660416


Why people go so low as to do things like this is beyond me

[Bill Ryan]

My first thought when this all went hot was what kind of news is coming out from China now?

Do we have any reliable/recommended sources?
I can't swear how reliable this is, and this isn't coming from China, but The Epoch Times has this running page: https://theepochtimes.com/china-news

Two relevant articles from today:


China’s Xi Will Invade Taiwan After Taking Cue From ‘Twin Sister’ Putin, Trump Warns (https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-xi-will-invade-taiwan-after-taking-cue-from-twin-sister-putin-trump-warns_4299228.html)
China Refuses to Denounce Russian Attack on Ukraine, Blames US for Stoking Tensions (https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-refuses-to-denounce-russia-attack-on-ukraine-blames-us-for-stoking-tensions_4300419.html)

[Satori]

As the saying goes: “The first casualty of war is truth.”

Who to believe...? It certainly isn’t those who foment and promote war and those who benefit from it.

[Bill Ryan]

Another reminder to us all:

Wade Frazier is posting regularly about this entire situation, and as best I can see he has an excellent grasp of the history and background. He needs to continue posting his analyses on his own thread, and it'd not really be appropriate for me or anyone else to copy everything here. (The platform that Avalon has provided for Wade is really just a safe place to host his running personal blog.)

But, if you have time, do read his detailed posts on this page. They contain a great deal of linked references.


Wade Frazier: A Healed Planet: page 493 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet/page493)

[Mashika]

"WHAT ARE SECRET US BIO-LABORATORIES DOING IN UKRAINE?"
https://www.stalkerzone.org/what-are-secret-us-bio-laboratories-doing-in-ukraine/



WHAT ARE SECRET US BIO-LABORATORIES DOING IN UKRAINE?
April 25, 2020

On April 23rd the US Embassy in Ukraine acknowledged that there are biological laboratories in Ukraine that are under the control of the Pentagon.

The statement of diplomats came after an open letter from people’s deputies about the threats posed by these research centers to Ukrainians.

However, the Americans deny the threats and say that scientific work is being carried out for exclusively peaceful purposes. And talk of threats is written off as “Russian disinformation”.

The Ukrainian “Strana” news agency looked into this story.

What the deputies of the Rada declared
On April 14th people’s deputies from “Opposition Platform – For Life” Viktor Medvedchuk and Renat Kuzmin wrote requests to four leaders of the country: President Zelensky, Prime Minister Shmygal, Head of the SBU Bakanov, and Minister of Healthcare Stepanov.

In an appeal with reference to Serbian and Bulgarian media, it is reported that the US has more than 400 bacteriological laboratories around the world, including at least 15 in Ukraine.

There are exclusively American ones, and they are financed at the expense of the US Department of Defence. The laboratories are located in Odessa, Vinnytsia, Uzhgorod, Lvov (three), Kiev (three), Kherson, Ternopol, and near Crimea and Lugansk.

People’s deputies note that the functioning of American biolaboratories in Ukraine started during the presidency of Viktor Yushchenko and the premiership of Yuliya Tymoshenko – August 29th, 2005.

At that time, cooperation agreements were signed between the US Department of Defence and the Ministry of Healthcare of Ukraine for the prevention of proliferation technologies (growth of body tissue by cell division), pathogens, and expertise that can be used for the development of biological weapons.

“In fact, the work in the laboratories is carried out under the program of biological experiments. The budget is $2.1 billion and is funded by the US Defence Threat Reduction Agency. The Scientific and Technical Center in Ukraine, an international organisation funded by the American authorities and whose staff have diplomatic immunity, has also become involved in this activity. This organisation is engaged in financing projects for the creation of weapons of mass destruction,” wrote Medvedchuk and Kuzmin.

Further, the people’s deputies point out that after the launch of biolaboratories in Ukraine there were outbreaks of infectious diseases.

“So, in Ternopol in 2009 there was a virus that caused hemorrhagic pneumonia. Its victims were 450 Ukrainians. In 2011, there was an outbreak of cholera in Ukraine – 33 people died. Three years later, cholera was diagnosed already 800 citizens, another year later more than 100 cases of cholera were recorded in Nikolaev.”

People’s deputies also gave such examples. In January 2016, 20 soldiers died from an influenza-like virus in Kharkov, and more than 200 were hospitalised. Two months later, 364 deaths were recorded in Ukraine. “The reason is swine flu of the same strain of influenza that led to the global pandemic in 2009,” say Medvedchuk and Kuzmin.

They further point out that in 2017 in Nikolaev there was an outbreak of hepatitis A. In the summer of the same year there were similar hotbeds of infection in Zaporozhye and Odessa, and in the autumn – in Kharkov.

“In 2010-2012 [i.e., already under Yanukovych – ed] the Ukrainian government initiated checks to see if the laboratories comply with all safety measures. As a result, a number of gross disorders were identified that could lead to the leakage of strains of dangerous infections. The fact of extract ventilation facing the premises of a kindergarten was even recorded,” it is said in the appeal of Medvedchuk and Kuzmin.

Then people’s deputies write that in 2013 President Viktor Yanukovych abandoned such cooperation with the United States. But already in 2014 Petro Poroshenko continued it. “It is likely that Yanukovych lost power with the active participation of the US government precisely because of his refusal to cooperate with the Pentagon,” suggest the deputies from “Opposition Platform – For Life”.

In conclusion, they point out, “It is possible that the secret and opaque activities of dangerous foreign objects on the territory of Ukraine have the task of testing the actions of viruses and bacteria on the bodies of Ukrainians”, and ask the leadership of Ukraine to understand this.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... Putin Conquers Ukraine: Clinton Mercenary State Crumbles As War At Home Builds (https://rumble.com/vvsgx8-putin-conquers-ukraine-clinton-mercenary-state-crumbles-as-war-at-home-buil.html) 11:30

Stew Peters Show (https://rumble.com/c/StewPeters)
Published February 24, 2022

Rumble (https://rumble.com/) — Is Russia fully justified in invading Ukraine, and is China flying under the radar to invade Taiwan while the media is focused on blasting Vladimir Putin? How much longer will it take until American’s realize they’re being pawned by the leftist media who are panicking that one of their biggest global income investments is now crumbling to the floor?

vt6av0


... gives a good summary of Ukraine history.

PS: hmmm... something funky happening with the Rumble embed? (with FireFox)





Mod note from Bill:
Firefox (on Mac) here, and it all looks fine and normal.
:thumbsup:

Thanks Bill; I found the culprit: PrivacyBadger (https://privacybadger.org/#faq) addon for firefox which completely blocked Rumble.

[edina]

Depending upon how your life has been affected over the last 2 years, I think many people could say that we have been in WW3 already for longer than we realize.

It is just not a war that we are familiar with (from history and movies). And we are not sure who the enemy is, really.

IMHO, what is happening with Russia and Ukraine is a large fight with military weapons within the world war.

I expect that more people have died from poisoning over the last 18 months than will die in this military exchange.

And sadly, many more will follow - but most will die quietly and not reported in the press.

Let's try not to fight amongst ourselves as each person looks for a way to make sense and express themselves - people grieve in different ways for humanity and our planet.

I wish...and wish.

Like the theory that a butterfly can flap it's wings and the wind rises to a hurricane on the other side of the world - a person's one act of kindness each day will resonate through society enough to make a real difference.

If only everyone understood how their actions ripple through the world and used that knowledge for good without evil.

What you're saying here makes sense to me.

There's this image of WW3 that's been hanging over people's minds, essentially for as long as I can remember. In some ways, that image drives us, it can predictably trigger reactions in people. And I feel, especially with some factions, there is a real push for something like that to happen.

I'm not sure that the war as it is happening will look like that. It hasn't looked like that yet. It could, but it could be something very different and possibly more insidious.

The "real" war, what some have called the "silent" war has been happening for a good long while.

Other people have raised similar points that you do. In addition to the pandemic example, I've seen some people share images of the neighborhoods destroyed by the BLM/Antifa riots alongside the images of Russia in Ukraine. The felt affect of the people living in those neighborhoods probably also feels similar to being war-torn, in way it's all a part of the same larger war.

I'm hoping people don't lose sight of that. Some people haven't figured it out, yet. This larger, hybrid style war.

In one of the articles at the Saker (http://thesaker.is/russia-recognition-of-the-ldnr-a-few-initial-thoughts/), Andrei, a regular writer there shared something that stood out to me,


The first thing which I want to point out is that this was a very carefully orchestrated event, and I don’t just mean today’s live meetings and signing. For those of us who follow Russian politics very closely there can be no doubts that all this was prepared long BEFORE the Russian ultimatum to the West.

This is “the plan” which Putin once openly referred to.

Let me make this clear: this recognition should NOT, repeat, NOT, be seen in isolation. It is just ONE PHASE in a PROCESS which began at least a year ago, or more, and there is much more to come.

Next, that must be repeated again, this is NOT about the LDNR, the Donbass or even the Ukraine, this is about a new security architecture on Europe and, therefore, on our entire planet.

He wrote this a few days ago... the 21st.

He seems to interpret what's happening in terms of west versus east. However, I'm considering this from a much larger global perspective.

I'm also considering this in the context of what just happened in Canada. Keeping in mind an article written by Sundance on his website...

BOOM, Trudeau Reversal Motive Surfaces – Canadian Banking Association Was Approved by World Economic Forum To Lead the Digital ID Creation (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/23/boom-trudeau-reversal-motive-surfaces-canadian-banking-association-was-approved-by-world-economic-forum-to-lead-the-digital-id-creation/)

Chrystia Freeland and Justin Trudeau are members of the WEF. And so is Putin.

My gut tells me the timing of these events are related, which is one reason why I am looking around the edges of things.

[Satori]

...

... Putin Conquers Ukraine: Clinton Mercenary State Crumbles As War At Home Builds (https://rumble.com/vvsgx8-putin-conquers-ukraine-clinton-mercenary-state-crumbles-as-war-at-home-buil.html) 11:30

Stew Peters Show (https://rumble.com/c/StewPeters)
Published February 24, 2022

Rumble (https://rumble.com/) — Is Russia fully justified in invading Ukraine, and is China flying under the radar to invade Taiwan while the media is focused on blasting Vladimir Putin? How much longer will it take until American’s realize they’re being pawned by the leftist media who are panicking that one of their biggest global income investments is now crumbling to the floor?

vt6av0


... gives a good summary of Ukraine history.

PS: hmmm... something funky happening with the Rumble embed?


With all respect, this is not a flattering picture of Stew Peters. At a minimum, he looks very tired. (And little doubt he is given all that is going on.) I’ve not listened to him in the last few months. I used to watch his program in the height of the 2021 version of the cv19 fraud, but not much since then.

[Bill Ryan]

J.R. Nyquist, who's a longtime student of Russian history and politics (Chinese history and politics, too), and who is nobody's fool — and who doesn't trust Putin or Xi one bit — posted this article yesterday.
(My personal comment: I always learn a lot from Nyquist, but I suspect he may be rather too focused on Russia and China and not quite enough on even wider/higher-level globalist/NWO/WEF agendas.)


https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/02/23/russian-troops-enter-eastern-ukraine-analysis

Russian Troops Enter Eastern Ukraine: Analysis

Russia initially did everything it could to make sure these disagreements could be resolved by peaceful means. However, the Kiev officials have conducted two punitive operations on those territories; and, apparently, we are witnessing a third escalation. All these years … the people living on those territories have been literally tortured by constant shelling and blockades.
— Vladimir Putin, 21 February 2022President Vladimir Putin spent months deploying Russian troops around Ukraine, on three sides. Of course, he said Russia was not going to invade Ukraine; and many believed him. Last week, when Putin’s spokesmen announced the Russian troops were standing down, many people believed him. But the troops did not leave their deployments. They moved closer to the border with Ukraine.

And then it was alleged that the Ukrainians did a bad, bad thing. So, the Russian troops did not go home as advertised. The troops stayed in position; and on Monday, Putin decided to invade eastern Ukraine. And now Putin has asked the Duma for permission to use the Russian military to attack forces outside of Russia. Some intelligence analysts believe that a general invasion of Ukraine will soon begin.

Putin offers many and variable justifications for invading Ukraine: He says America initiated a coup in Ukraine and took it over in 2014. Putin also claims the Ukrainians are committing genocide against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. Putin complains that the West promised not to admit east European nations into NATO*, even though there was no treaty or formal agreement on this.

* See by M.E. Sarotte, Not One Inch: America, Russia, and the Making of the Post-Cold War Stalemate. Sarotte’s research shows that no such promise was made to Moscow. In fact, Moscow signed treaties that brought NATO closer to Russia’s borders.
Putin further claims that Ukraine is not a real country; rather, it was “created by Lenin.” (Untrue.) Therefore, Ukraine has no right to exist. Over-egging the omelet even more, Putin has suggested that the breakup of the Soviet Union was illegal.

Given the testimony of numerous defectors, and a strategic sense of things, it seems that Moscow has always planned to retake Ukraine, if only to put the Soviet Union back together. There is something inevitable about Moscow aligning with communist China, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, communist Cuba, and all the other communist countries.

Has anyone bothered to notice this? No. They were all too busy counting their “peace dividend,” congratulating themselves for “winning” the Cold War. The return of Ukraine to the Union and the reemergence of the communist bloc was always in the cards.

When are people going to wake up? The left remains deceived and the right remains deceived. They each have their narratives and each narrative has been wrong. How does one get past the embarrassment of it?

Even now the conspiracy hacks are blaming Western elites for the war. Yet the war now begins on Moscow’s order, after Putin’s meeting with Chinese leader Xi on February 4. Most people will never realize what this means strategically; namely, that we are now in the Final Phase of the communist bloc long range strategy. And that means a trap is being sprung.

The communist powers have a special dilemma at this time, however. After fooling everyone for three decades, how are they going to get folks to realize they mean business? What if they cannot, like a highway robber, convince the West to surrender peacefully at gunpoint?

Under the present circumstances, the West is threatening sanctions on Russia over this invasion of Ukraine. Sanctions? On the new owners of the world? (But then, does anyone realize who these new owners are?)

If the United States puts sanctions on Russia, I am told the Russians will launch a devastating cyber-attack on the United States. In response to this, President Biden has promised to retaliate in kind. What happens, then? A further escalation? Probably. Is there any way to avoid a wider war at this point? How would that be possible given the dynamic we are seeing?

Our banks, our companies, our trading systems, should have never given Moscow credits or technology or trade advantages. Our leaders should have never admitted China to the World Trade Organization. After twenty years, what is the benefit of this post-Cold War openness toward Beijing and Moscow? We are now on the brink of a war in Eastern Europe, not knowing if it will escalate or not.

Putin’s government has, in recent weeks, threatened Finland, Sweden, Poland and the Baltic States. Putin knows that NATO is weak and has been subverted. He knows that America is weak and unready for war. Also, Putin has China as an ally. Why should he fear anyone? He can threaten and bluster, yes. But he can also carry out those threats. He is powerful now. He has built his military and brags of “deploying weapons on combat duty without parallel in the world.”

Ukraine has called up her reserves, finally, at the eleventh hour. If Russia strikes quickly, the mobilization will be too late. The ground is not frozen, but muddy. The sky is overcast with rain forecast for Kiev today. The Russian armor will be slowed. But how much will it be slowed? Ukraine is being abandoned because America and her allies did not prepare, did not take the threat from Russian seriously. And now we are feeding the crocodile in the hope that he will eat us last.

Today the Russian forces have reportedly commenced “radio silence.” Some sources say that a major war will being within two weeks. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been told that a full Russian invasion, involving air and missile strikes, might begin in the next 48 hours. Ukraine’s foreign minister, grasping at straws, said that Russia is ready to attack and there is but a short time left for deterrence (i.e., for the West to declare its willingness to defend Ukraine).

The Russian leaders may cynically claim that Ukraine has provoked them and NATO cheated them, but Russia’s leaders are the real cheaters. They cheated on the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Agreement. They cheated on the Conventional Forces in Europe Agreement. Even as NATO got rid of thousands of tactical nuclear weapons the Russians have kept 20,000 such weapons. The proof is now in the pudding. Watch Ukraine.

~~~

Nyquist also posted this video on 21 February, three [long!] days ago:

Jeff Nyquist - Russian War Machine - China - The Alien Connection - Future Predictions and More

https://rumble.com/vvj2pw-jeff-nyquist-russian-war-machine-china-the-alien-connection-future-predicti.html
vswwno

[Michel Leclerc]

(...)
No amount of tender spiritual wishes will fix that. (...)

That's why we are the way we are, it's hard, is not easy to express at all, ever

Amen.
While we are here, we will have to drink the chalice to the full.

We have not ascended yet.

From time to time, grace comes and we grow into our "higher Self", our "double", Divinity etc.

A second later, he "real" confronts us with a real-life koan, and we descend back to the "hard" (as you say, Malisa) core of our incarnation.

Not only do we have joy and joy with and because of other beings’ joy – we also suffer and suffer other beings’ suffering and because of it.
There is some dignity in just being human.

[holcaul]

...

... Putin Conquers Ukraine: Clinton Mercenary State Crumbles As War At Home Builds (https://rumble.com/vvsgx8-putin-conquers-ukraine-clinton-mercenary-state-crumbles-as-war-at-home-buil.html) 11:30

Stew Peters Show (https://rumble.com/c/StewPeters)
Published February 24, 2022

Rumble (https://rumble.com/) — Is Russia fully justified in invading Ukraine, and is China flying under the radar to invade Taiwan while the media is focused on blasting Vladimir Putin? How much longer will it take until American’s realize they’re being pawned by the leftist media who are panicking that one of their biggest global income investments is now crumbling to the floor?

vt6av0


... gives a good summary of Ukraine history.




Terrific! Thanks, Gwin Ru.

[holcaul]

Russia Today is down and has been down for at least a couple of hours.


https://www.rt.com/

[ExomatrixTV]

Hannity: This Is Madness

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Tucker: This Is What We Should Be Worried About:

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[justntime2learn]

Russia Today is down and has been down for at least a couple of hours.


https://www.rt.com/

I haven't been experiencing that problem and have been getting alerts all day. I clicked on your link and it's up and working. I received this alert a little more than an hour ago:


Reports of explosions in Kiev — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union
https://www.rt.com/russia/550553-kiev-explosions-videos-operation/

Picture of link I just clicked on:

48514

Good luck my friend

[Strat]

Russia Today is down and has been down for at least a couple of hours.


https://www.rt.com/

Server is probably getting overloaded with traffic.

EDIT: It's working fine for me. I clicked on it and found this interesting article, Anonymous is declaring cyber war on the Russian government. In the article it does say RT will be targeted.
https://www.rt.com/russia/550548-anonymous-cyber-war-russia/

RT is being DDoS'ed

[ExomatrixTV]

What Does Russia Want?

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[Mashika]

This is depressing, he trusted the wrong people and now the realisation that he was played and used has come


We were left alone. No one wants to fight for us. They don't want to take us to NATO, they are afraid to give security guarantees — Zelensky


This is very unlike him, he looks unkempt, wearing that shirt instead of the usual suit he likes, several days beard. I think he's feeling betrayed and very down. He really considered things would go different, but now he has just realised he was just a tool and Ukraine a sacrifice for the west goals
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLXf359Hj1IKhkbVb7K8Uyw0uCj2zjYEh1YkMaMzZv4WITvIqEToD46oGXmZBsWkNbQ1hzQq2Kma_q9wKE1NlKbNKbnAWuMgfi5 Sh3pBjT1oaaY3lG-C6csz9CkYuDBj3ljerMXpTqT-C7d_u4NxQ3ep=w826-h536-no?authuser=0

He has announced talks with Russia very soon, Ukraine will accept and sign off an agreement to be neutral, lots of things will change now if this happens

[Mashika]

"The developments in Ukraine are being monitored by the International Criminal Court, which may launch an investigation into acts of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes committed on its territory, the prosecutor of the legal instance Karim Khan said"

Will this apply to all actions done by the Ukraine military in the past 8 years as well? Or only will be looking at current events and into the Russian army's actions?

We'll see soon enough how fair this will be, perhaps they will remember that they looked away the past 8 years and review all those old reports from Donbass

[Mashika]

"And do you remember how Poroshenko said that "Our children will go to school, their children will sit in basements"?

The children of Donbass were sitting in the basements. Now children of Ukraine are sitting in basements.

The favorite of the Donetsk public, pianist Valentina Lisitsa, argues.

"Is it possible so that "Both our and your children will go to school, and Poroshenko will be in prison?" - she asks."

[Mike Gorman]

Quote Professor John J. Mearsheimer-Ukraine should become a 'Neutral State' a buffer zone between Nato and Russia, well yes this would be a solution, but this will not happen because the temptation to deploy influence and power is always going to be there, with Ukraine becoming a kind of Chess board on which the intentions of the globalists and the resistance of Russia will always be in tension.
Now that Putin has taken the initiative, and stated: No further! The dynamics have completely changed, Russia has little to lose in playing its hand and imposing its own historical agenda, ridding Ukraine of the western puppets, and the bio-labs and military research institutes, once military force has been unleashed, it is almost impossible to get the genie back into the bottle, this will have to play out to some different END point, this is precarious, we have revolting people heading up the Pentagon, I have a very bad feeling about all of this, I an sorry to sound pessimistic, but the events of the past 3 years tell us we are on the verge of a huge transition, Ukraine is the flash point for the ultimate end game.

[Metalaane]

If the United States puts sanctions on Russia, I am told the Russians will launch a devastating cyber-attack on the United States. In response to this, President Biden has promised to retaliate in kind. What happens, then? A further escalation? Probably. Is there any way to avoid a wider war at this point? How would that be possible given the dynamic we are seeing?

Hey, Bill...would there happen to be a way to mass download the whole Avalon Library in one or two easy steps? That seems like it'd be a real helpful feature in these days...

[XelNaga]

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

Yes, sure they were. I wonder what all those Serbian children slaughtered in Jasenovac would say to this ridiculous lies of yours.

Or all those Serbian civilians whose organs were ripped out and sold by Albanian terrorists in Kosovo.

Lies that constantly come from Croatia are truly astonishing. I understand when politicians talk bull****, but come on man.

We all know what Croatias did, even Nazi Germans were disgusted by the acts of your people at that time, and well, that really says a lot.

Kind regards, neighbour.

[norman]

Quote Professor John J. Mearsheimer-Ukraine should become a 'Neutral State' a buffer zone between Nato and Russia, well yes this would be a solution, but this will not happen because the temptation to deploy influence and power is always going to be there, with Ukraine becoming a kind of Chess board on which the intentions of the globalists and the resistance of Russia will always be in tension.
Now that Putin has taken the initiative, and stated: No further! The dynamics have completely changed, Russia has little to lose in playing its hand and imposing its own historical agenda, ridding Ukraine of the western puppets, and the bio-labs and military research institutes, once military force has been unleashed, it is almost impossible to get the genie back into the bottle, this will have to play out to some different END point, this is precarious, we have revolting people heading up the Pentagon, I have a very bad feeling about all of this, I am sorry to sound pessimistic, but the events of the past 3 years tell us we are on the verge of a huge transition, Ukraine is the flash point for the ultimate end game.

Both sides of the ultimate ongoing global power struggle are deliberately wanting to scare the crap out of us all right now, but for totally opposed goals.

Go ahead, be scared, be really scared, but make a wise manifestation of the outcome from all this scariness.

One side wants to scare us into running into the false peace and prosperity sheep fold, the other side wants to scare us into abandoning the false paradigm head crap that's preventing us from fully waking up, and so shift the numbers-game dynamic, so they can make a move to end the opposing sheep fold crowd's operation, dead in it's tracks.

I instinctively know which side I'm on, but that's only as sure as how well I'm living by it's fundamental truth, or else I will find myself on the other side as easily as blinking.

[9ideon]

Mod note from Bill:

Jeez, guys. We're discussing WW3 here.

:focus: :thumbsup: :flower:

This is indeed not the time to get divided here. One can agree with Nato or with Russia even with neither. Yes, Mashika can be a little in your face at times, but c'mon, slagging someone off for being true to their Nation, well...

See I understand Romania is perhaps a little biased and all, I mean Ceaușescu is probably still on the minds of many, I remember the news on him being deposed by the People. So yes I understand the hesitation or animosity towards Russia, still, Nato broke their word over and over again, this was just a matter of time before it would happen. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? The US threatened a NUCLEAR war back then, ffs, there was even more space in between Cuba and the US in comparison to Ukraine and Russia, as a matter of fact, Putin's demands were not based on air, they were a legitimate concern, if Ukraine was to join Nato, Russia would have lost air supremacy over their own country.

The militarization of Ukraine happened for a reason, to pave the way for membership. Do not forget what Snowden brought with, it seems all have forgotten this, he shows up in Russia 06-13, Russian takes Crimea in 02-14, not a coincidence.

If anyone wants to be angry for Ukraine being invaded be angry at the right People, starting with Soros, or has everybody conveniently forgotten words of Glibbery Clinton, she would start a War with Russia, a nuclear one, does anyone think she'd be on her own in that, or is there suddenly a amnesia attack here? And ask yourself this, a country which has been at war 92% of their existence (USA), you think they would have dragged out diplomacy if Ukraine were Mexico? Nah, they'd be obliterated.

[mizo]

Just saying - I'm astounded how the BBC are so capable to report and broadcast all those 'brave' anti-war protesters in the multitude of Russian cities, but they somehow managed not to notice the million protesters standing recently outside their own London headquarters!

[jaybee]

.

analysis on the situation from Lee Camp and guest Ben Norton...

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Lee Camp is joined by the journalist and host of Multipolarista Ben Norton to break down what is going on between Ukraine and Russia. They look to the real causes of Russian actions in Ukraine beyond the Western war propaganda. The story goes back to the 90’s and the dissolution of the Soviet Union when the NATO powers guaranteed the Russian leadership that they wouldn’t expand toward Russian borders. They broke that promise. Then the story moves to a US-backed coup in Ukraine in 2014 and the fallout after separatist movements tried to secede. Norton provides this history and more important context in this moment of insecurity.


I think the elephant in the room is always the Globalist's Agenda and their actions, including military actions...I think they probably have command of the US military and the UK and other Western military - so it all gets muddled up -
And when there is talk about Western Nations there is a failure to acknowledge the infiltration of Western Nations by the Globalists via organizations like the World Economic Forum - the UN - WHO etc....


edit to add.... but to be fair we are only just realizing how deep the 'penetration' of Western Democracies has gone - so it doesn't usually get included in the general analysis...

[jaybee]

Just saying - I'm astounded how the BBC are so capable to report and broadcast all those 'brave' anti-war protesters in the multitude of Russian cities, but they somehow managed not to notice the million protesters standing recently outside their own London headquarters!


How true.... and although I don't watch BBC news I'm guessing they didn't report about the treatment of the Truckers and Protesters in Ottawa, Canada...

[Isserley]

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

Yes, sure they were. I wonder what all those Serbian children slaughtered in Jasenovac would say to this ridiculous lies of yours.

Or all those Serbian civilians whose organs were ripped out and sold by Albanian terrorists in Kosovo.

Lies that constantly come from Croatia are truly astonishing. I understand when politicians talk bull****, but come on man.

We all know what Croatias did, even Nazi Germans were disgusted by the acts of your people at that time, and well, that really says a lot.

Kind regards, neighbour.

My answer may surprise you, because I will not deny Jasenovac and WWII. These crimes of the Ustaše were unforgivable and horrible -> let such evil never happen again. But that does not diminish the Srbo-Četnik crimes of the 1990s ... why is that a problem to admit? It always confused me.. I don't judge you, I believe you are a great person and would never harm another human being, nor would I.
But what you are saying is that for example Israel should now attack Germany in retaliation for Nazi crimes?
We can't go so far into the past and constantly take revenge on each other. Crimes should be acknowledged and condemned, and not denied, my dear neighbor.
If you want to further discuss Serbo-Croatian relations, open a new topic, this is not a topic for that.

[Tintin]

Are US Biolabs being targeted?

Here's a somewhat eye-watering piece of research, which may carry some weight.

IF this is what is transpiring then we may be on the verge of Plandemic 2.0.

Source: Thread by @ War Clandestine on ThreadReader App (archived) (https://archive.fo/kyR2q)

Whatever the case may be it's an interesting read:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Thread_by_WarClandestine_on_Thread%20_Reader_compressed.pdf

[XelNaga]

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time. :focus:

Yes, sure they were. I wonder what all those Serbian children slaughtered in Jasenovac would say to this ridiculous lies of yours.

Or all those Serbian civilians whose organs were ripped out and sold by Albanian terrorists in Kosovo.

Lies that constantly come from Croatia are truly astonishing. I understand when politicians talk bull****, but come on man.

We all know what Croatias did, even Nazi Germans were disgusted by the acts of your people at that time, and well, that really says a lot.

Kind regards, neighbour.

My answer may surprise you, because I will not deny Jasenovac and WWII. These crimes of the Ustaše were unforgivable and horrible -> let such evil never happen again. But that does not diminish the Srbo-Četnik crimes of the 1990s ... why is that a problem to admit? It always confused me.. I don't judge you, I believe you are a great person and would never harm another human being, nor would I.
But what you are saying is that for example Israel should now attack Germany in retaliation for Nazi crimes?
We can't go so far into the past and constantly take revenge on each other. Crimes should be acknowledged and condemned, and not denied, my dear neighbor.
If you want to further discuss Serbo-Croatian relations, open a new topic, this is not a topic for that.

Pozdrav brate,

I have no problem to admit crimes of Serbian army. There are war crimes in every war, commited by all parties involved, always.

Perhaps I didn't properly understand your first post, from it I got that only Serbians commited war crimes. If that was a mistake on my part, I sincerely apologise.

There were crimes on all sides of those nasty conflicts, from Serbians, Croatians, Bosnian muslims and Albanian terrorists. There are evil and nasty people in all nations.

So, I could never deny those crimes commited by my people, but I could never accept lies and propaganda that is being pushed by the west that all was our fault, and that everyone else was just defending themselves, that is simply not true. We were divided and conquered by the west, 3 brother nations fighting each other, so sad.

But I also didn't say anything that is not true in my first post: US/NATO bombing of Serbia was unjust and against international laws, and they did take Kosovo (Serbian land) from us and gave it to Albanian terrorists. Those are facts.

I also have to add that I absolutely have no problem with Croatian people, only the government, both ours and yours. You see, I work for a small private company in Belgrade whos owner is from Zagreb. I have regular visits to Zagreb, and my colleagues from Zagreb regularly come to Belgrade. I also have personall friends in Zagreb. For normal people, religion and nationality are not an obstacle for friendship.

Pozdrav komšo..

PS: I apologize to all for going off topic on this thread.
Kind regards brothers and sisters..

[Tintin]

It does look like people are unable to realise that i was there, and plenty other kids were, no matter what. You fail to understand that what is happening right now was already a reality back in 2013 and until 2015 or so, but it's reality

You have not seen the things i've seen, or what we saw in general, it's just like a "far away thing" for you guys. You just don't get it

I'm so frustrated by this lack of understanding of reality

Jesus F. It does seem that no one around is able to truly grasp this. Hope it never reaches your country or city, but if it does, hope also you won't be crying about it. FFS

:bump:

Folks, this does need to be remembered - Malisa's insights here on this thread are some of the most valuable we'll ever have :flower:

[muxfolder]

It does look like people are unable to realise that i was there, and plenty other kids were, no matter what. You fail to understand that what is happening right now was already a reality back in 2013 and until 2015 or so, but it's reality

You have not seen the things i've seen, or what we saw in general, it's just like a "far away thing" for you guys. You just don't get it

I'm so frustrated by this lack of understanding of reality

Jesus F. It does seem that no one around is able to truly grasp this. Hope it never reaches your country or city, but if it does, hope also you won't be crying about it. FFS

:bump:

Folks, this does need to be remembered - Malisa's insights here on this thread are some of the most valuable we'll ever have :flower:

Not going to argue with that.

Is there more Russians here? I'd like to here what they think is going to happen in the near future. Seems not all Russians agree with Putin and don't want war either. Did you know it was independence day in Estonia when the war began? I was thinking that might be a message. to NATO.

[Bill Ryan]

I very much appreciated this 20-minute analysis from Ben Norton...

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... and found it fascinating that it didn't accord with J.R. Nyquist's presentation of the history — see below.

I'm always impressed with Nyquist's deep knowledge of modern geopolitics, but increasingly he seems to come over (to me) as such a partisan apologist for US foreign policy (and a deep, deep distrust of everything Russian and Chinese, definitely justified in the latter case), that I'm concerned he doesn't know about (or want to acknowledge) what happened in 2014. That seems hard to understand.

I'd encourage readers here to listen to both interviews, and absorb the information presented to help them make up their own minds. Based on what I feel I know, I'm with Ben Norton here. I think Wade Frazier (and Malisa) would agree.

https://rumble.com/vvj2pw-jeff-nyquist-russian-war-machine-china-the-alien-connection-future-predicti.html
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[mizo]

https://twitter.com/plymouthian/status/1497198188616290308

[Gwin Ru]

...

... sitrep from Jim Stone:

TOP LINE ON RT: Ukraine ready to discuss surrender (http://82.221.129.208/1/.to6.html)

Ukraine successfully hit Russia with several ballistic missiles. However, they landed in non critical areas.

NOT RUMOR: The "President" of Ukraine is an Israeli citizen. No wonder why the place got run like the West Bank which triggered this action by Putin. WEF politics aside, an enormous segment of Ukraine begged for Russia to do this after getting shelled for years.

NOT RUMOR: Russia is taking the capitol now.

RUMOR: Russia attacked Ukraine to get rid of bio labs there. My thoughts: That's certainly not all they went in for!!!

RUMOR (Ridiculous rumor) Russia threatened to de-orbit the space station over the USA or Europe. DOUBT IT, EVERYONE WOULD HATE THEM FOR THAT. Now, a false flag would be possible . . . . .

Russia has apparently gained control of the sky in Kyiv, where they shot down a Ukranian SU-27. Rumor has it the shoot down was of "The ghost of Kyiv" but that's awful hard to back up.

Opinion: The "ghost of Kyiv" - Ukraine's "Red Baron pilot" who has "shot down 7 Russian fighters" with outdated Soviet crap is probably a morale boosting hoax.

FOX NEWS: Ukraine has banned all men aged 18-60 from leaving the country. Someone needs an army I guess.

Britain is considering supporting banning Russia from SWIFT.

Taiwan is supporting Russia sanctions.

The reason why Russia took Chernobyl has been revealed: Because Ukraine had already shelled a waste repository and increased the background radiation by 50X. It is still possible to be there, but barely. Ukraine obviously blamed Russia, but smart money says NO.

Ukraine completely took Hostomel airport back. Biden just completed a disastrously toothless and incompetent press conference. It really made the U.S. look like a paper tiger. No hard actions, only cyber attacks. And 2 can play that game.

Anti war protests have happened in at least 40 Russian cities, and Russia responded with the "Trudeau treatment" on DAY ONE.

RT IS FINE IN MEXICO. There are reports of RT being down, hard to access or messed up in the United States.

POWER OUTAGE IN KIEV ACCORDING TO FOX NEWS UPDATE: Random localized outages, not the whole city at once.

RUMOR: CNBC has stated nuclear war is being considered as an option.

Russian ministry of defense web site down

Biden decision: Stuxnet attack the hell out of Russia and try to knock the power out, derail trains, and more.

Chernobyl now secured by heavy firepower and not just Russian ground troops (surrounded by tanks)

Biden has announced he will be protesting peacefully against Russia with "devastating packages of sanctions". But what about China? SANCTION THAT.

Russia has now accomplished such a level of superiority it can fly cargo into Ukraine, with 12 large jets landing at Anatov Airport

Russia has announced it met it's "war schedule" for day one, and is now beginning day two.

Russia has officially captured the Chernobyl nuke plant. That's good news (Ukraine will not be able to use it for scorched earth)

The North Atlantic Council has decided Peaceful protest is the way to handle this. (http://198.46.190.126/images/nac.png) What a stupid letter.

Dubious rumor: the Ukraine military blew the dam at the Pecheneg reservoir.

Ukraine successfully captured an entire Russian reconnaisance platoon. That would be about 50 soldiers.

Biden has told Americans they are "on their own" in Ukraine, just like Afghanistan.

Russia is now taking over Ukraine's power stations.

Russia used 75 heavy bombers to carry out the attacks, and kept them off radar so well that their ruse of "nothing in the air over Ukraine" worked!!! Even the U.S. did not see them, NO ONE DID. UPDATE: This is NOT RUMOR, Russia really did pull that off.

EARLY REPORTS: Ukraine was attacking hospitals and residential areas to frame up Russia for wrongdoing. CURRENT REPORTS: Ukraine is claiming Russia attacked hospitals, but is not mentioning the attacks on residential areas it is clear they did (scroll down, there is video of them using a MIG to do exactly that)

RUSSIA NOW REQUESTING NEGOTIATIONS. THE TERMS: COMPLETE SURRENDER AND COMPLETE DISARMAMENT OF UKRAINE. (https://www.rt.com/russia/550505-kremlin-presents-demands-kiev/)

It appears to me that Russia has just proven that "politics" are inefficient.

Ukraine is flying in double digit ll-76 planes (18 reportedly) these are turbo props similar to a C-130. They have to land somewhere. Arriving with permission????

The UK has kicked out Russian ambassadors

The predictable cyber attacks have now started, directed at Russian government web sites.

Russian ground vehicles are now seen throughout Ukraine and nothing is stopping them.

Russia (might) be banned from SWIFT. But Russia has China . . . . AND GERMANY IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT. Rumor is the EU won't support that either.

The Kremlin web site went dark.

Price of gas in Europe up by almost double.

U.S. F-35's have arrived in Lithuania, but they will have to overfly Belarus to get to Ukraine if they are kept there.

[...]

[Bill Ryan]

Are US Biolabs being targeted?

Here's a somewhat eye-watering piece of research, which may carry some weight.

IF this is what is transpiring then we may be on the verge of Plandemic 2.0.

Source: Thread by @ War Clandestine on ThreadReader App (archived) (https://archive.fo/kyR2q)

Whatever the case may be it's an interesting read:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Thread_by_WarClandestine_on_Thread%20_Reader_compressed.pdf

~~~

https://twitter.com/AnimalConnected/status/1497041549028470784
1497041549028470784

[Tintin]

If the United States puts sanctions on Russia, I am told the Russians will launch a devastating cyber-attack on the United States. In response to this, President Biden has promised to retaliate in kind. What happens, then? A further escalation? Probably. Is there any way to avoid a wider war at this point? How would that be possible given the dynamic we are seeing?

Hey, Bill...would there happen to be a way to mass download the whole Avalon Library in one or two easy steps? That seems like it'd be a real helpful feature in these days...

Whoa, and thanks for asking :) (re the library)

I suspect there may be, yes, but might advise against trying that, for now. My concern is the drain on the server/s from attempting that. It's almost 2TB (terrabytes) in size, or heading at least there.

I may check in with our resident genius Tommy and see what he'd suggest. He knows a LOT of stuff.

:focus:

[Justplain]

So, what do you think, should the Ukraine surrender to Russia? Is the condition that Ukraine 'bear no arms' an acceptable term for surrender? Would you believe it if you were Ukrainian? Is this just a sideshow? Is the west really scared of Russia?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2345255/1

[Bill Ryan]

So, what do you think, should the Ukraine surrender to Russia? Is the condition that Ukraine 'bear no arms' an acceptable term for surrender? Would you believe it if you were Ukrainian? Is this just a sideshow? Is the west really scared of Russia?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2345255/1Well, from what I believe I know, I think they have to. There doesn't seem to be any other option.

I don't know more than anyone else here, but within the next week I'd not be surprised to see


A brokered agreement between Ukraine and Russia
A ceasefire, maybe presided over by a neutral country (such as Norway)
A new administration in Kiev, as a central part of the agreement
Withdrawal of most Russian forces, but armed Russian 'peacekeepers' remaining
An assurance from Russia that non-militant Ukrainian citizens would be respected and unharmed
Lots of blustering and political rhetoric from the US (and some European countries), and sanctions maintained, but basically nothing more
The Nordstream2 gas pipeline to continue unhindered, which would be insisted on by Germany and others.

[rgray222]

Russia and the West, particularly the USA have been playing brinkmanship with each other for more than half a century. Russia takes a shot at the eagle at least as often as America pokes the bear. Both countries lie to each other and have repeatedly lied to the world. They both have highly active and effective propaganda machines. It is easy to think about this War (call it what it is) being about the expansion of NATO and the protection of the Russians and Russian speaking people in the Dombas but that would be completely off the mark. The genesis of this war had nothing to do with NATO it had everything to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union. We know this for a fact because Putin has articulated clearly and repeatedly why he wants Ukraine to be part of Russia.

Putin has peddled so many lies about Ukraine it is hard to keep them straight. The lie that he summons at every opportunity is that NATO promised to never expand "one inch" beyond Germany. It is not in a treaty, agreement or charter. It is nothing more than Putin attempting to justify his designs on Ukraine and the killing of people to get it.

Another lie that has Putin prognosticators screaming in support of this war but has historians and truth seekers scratching their heads is the lie about Nazi elements within the Ukraine government. Putin has long sought to falsely paint Ukraine as a Nazi hotbed, which is a particularly bewildering accusation given that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish and lost three family members in the Holocaust. Putin's propaganda machine has done an incredible job getting some people in the world to believe that a Jew is a Nazi hellbent on the destruction of Russia.

Many people will tell you that Americans control NATO membership but that has never been the case and is certainly not the case today. The Americans exert some control and some influence but they do not have a final say on membership or changes to the NATO charter. A lot people of which I include myself wished that Biden would have told Putin that at least for the foreseeable future (10 years) Ukraine would have no chance to be admitted to NATO. Quite frankly there is only a fractional chance that Ukraine would ever become a member anyway. It takes a unanimous vote by all members to admit a new NATO Alliance Member.  Germany, France and others have been reluctant to admit Ukraine.  If Putin clearly understood that Ukraine would not become a member of NATO for at least 10 years it would have exposed Putin's true motivation. At the very least it would have removed his excuse for causing so much pain and suffering while at the same time destabilising the world.

American government contractors want war and if they can't have a war they want arms to be sent to Ukraine in great quantities. It is disheartening to watch the American propaganda machine better known as the mainstream media interview American senators and congressmen who consistently speak on the behalf of government military contractors telling the American public that billions of dollars of weapons will help Ukraine. Help them do what...........prolong an unwinnable war, incur more death and destruction or do these contractors just want more wealth arming civilians while they sit in their gated communities overlooking the Pacific Ocean.

Russia's violent incursion into Ukraine is about circumstance and opportunity. The opportunity has presented itself to restore one of the perceived jewels in the crown of a fallen empire. The circumstances are such that only opposition would be coming from an ageing, weak, mediocre leader (Biden) that appears to have dementia. Putin understands that if he misses this opportunity the circumstances may never present themselves again in his lifetime.

It is now abundantly clear that Putin has a backchannel agreement with Xi Jinping of China to sell, natural gas, oil and coal. Putin also has an agreement with China to buy technology, manufactured goods and supplies. The sanctions that Europe and the USA plan to put in place will have little to no impact. There could very well be a broader understanding between the two that they will each stand down while the other chases restoration of their perceived empires. Oddly these two guys just don't get it, they have no clue about legacy and life, it is truly meaningless.

Make no mistake this is about Putin, it is about restoring an empire, it is about narcissism, ego, psychopathy, psychopathic behaviour and it is unnecessary.

[Billy]

A 4 year old documentary with Oliver Stone, titled: Ukraine on fire, a detailed history lesson from the past 80 years.
Warning, disturbing photos and footage.




https://vimeo.com/252426896/recommended

[Gwin Ru]

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https://henrymakow.com/upload_images/schwab-putin.jpg


https://henrymakow.com/upload_images/wakey-wakey.jpg

https://henrymakow.com/upload_images/noth-see.jpg







Mod note from Bill:
Gwin had posted images from https://henrymakow.com, but that site appears to be down right now.

[Gwin Ru]

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... United Network News Global Desk Report with Sunny Gault 2-24-2022 (https://www.unitednetwork.news/content/detail/6218bcf00f761c00122f3a6d/United-Network-News-Global-Desk-Report-with-Sunny-Gault-2-24-2022) 06:24

home (https://www.unitednetwork.news/home)
breaking news and special reports (https://www.unitednetwork.news/news/breaking-news-and-special-reports)
Pain at the Pump? The War in Ukraine, The Pentagon and Biden attempt to sell US Rare Earth Minerals to the Chinese?


https://videos-fms.jwpsrv.com/0_62198f94_0xdb3b88b31b1707988ecdc8ef0097d6db6673905b/content/conversions/2qXIBZTY/videos/U7wv7Vs6-33490711.mp4

[Eva2]

'Today, February 24th, 2022, liberal globalism officially collapsed. The whole geopolitical project beginning in 1991 with the fall of the Soviet Union and Francis Fukuyama’s neo-con fantasy of the end of history, where he envisioned that the entire world would now turn to a global neoliberal order that has since culminated in an epidemic of wokeness, that vision died last night, and Russian President Vladimir Putin killed it!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAXWAA5GnEI

[muxfolder]

A 4 year old documentary with Oliver Stone, titled: Ukraine on fire, a detailed history lesson from the past 80 years.
Warning, disturbing photos and footage.




https://vimeo.com/252426896/recommended

Thanks. I'm watching this right now. And only at 10:50 I'm thinking this is what is once again happening in Ukraine: yet another stupid war that somehow could have been prevented. :frusty:

And now it seems Putin and co are threatening Finland and Sweden to not join NATO. Right. So that man has lost his mind and wants us to be part of Russia. It's going like I thought it would. Either way, we're next it seems.

Link (in Finnish) (https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000008643904.html)

E: Sorry, I'm in a bit hurry. Guess that'll be translated very soon.

[pyrangello]

Kerry Cassidy and Patriot Dave Round 2. Breaking Ukraine Intel Update and Much More. Streamed live 2 hours ago

Certainly a different slant on whats happening

https://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2022/02/kerry-cassidy-and-patriot-dave-round-2-breaking-ukraine-intel-update-and-much-more-streamed-live-2-hours-ago-3768093.html

Wow as soon as I posted this my computer froze up, just sayin! And Kerry talks directly about the Bio Labs in this interview

[ExomatrixTV]

Russian Strikes Targeting US-Run Bio-Labs (https://www.infowars.com/posts/russian-strikes-targeting-us-run-bio-labs-in-ukraine/) in Ukraine?

[Bill Ryan]

An excellent article by Chris Hedges published yesterday, recommended by Wade Frazier an hour ago (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=1485142&viewfull=1#post1485142). ("He is right", said Wade.)


https://scheerpost.com/2022/02/24/hedges-the-chronicle-of-a-war-foretold/

Chronicle of a War Foretold

After the fall of the Soviet Union, there was a near universal understanding among political leaders that NATO expansion would be a foolish provocation against Russia. How naive we were to think the military-industrial complex would allow such sanity to prevail.

I was in Eastern Europe in 1989, reporting on the revolutions that overthrew the ossified communist dictatorships that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. It was a time of hope. NATO, with the breakup of the Soviet empire, became obsolete.

President Mikhail Gorbachev reached out to Washington and Europe to build a new security pact that would include Russia. Secretary of State James Baker in the Reagan administration, along with the West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, assured the Soviet leader that if Germany was unified NATO would not be extended beyond the new borders.

The commitment not to expand NATO, also made by Great Britain and France, appeared to herald a new global order. We saw the peace dividend dangled before us, the promise that the massive expenditures on weapons that characterized the Cold War would be converted into expenditures on social programs and infrastructures that had long been neglected to feed the insatiable appetite of the military.

There was a near universal understanding among diplomats and political leaders at the time that any attempt to expand NATO was foolish, an unwarranted provocation against Russia that would obliterate the ties and bonds that happily emerged at the end of the Cold War.

How naive we were. The war industry did not intend to shrink its power or its profits. It set out almost immediately to recruit the former Communist Bloc countries into the European Union and NATO. Countries that joined NATO, which now include Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro, and North Macedonia were forced to reconfigure their militaries, often through hefty loans, to become compatible with NATO military hardware.

There would be no peace dividend. The expansion of NATO swiftly became a multi-billion-dollar bonanza for the corporations that had profited from the Cold War. (Poland, for example, just agreed to spend $ 6 billion on M1 Abrams tanks and other U.S. military equipment.)

If Russia would not acquiesce to again being the enemy, then Russia would be pressured into becoming the enemy. And here we are. On the brink of another Cold War, one from which only the war industry will profit while, as W. H. Auden wrote, the little children die in the streets.

The consequences of pushing NATO up to the borders with Russia — there is now a NATO missile base in Poland 100 miles from the Russian border — were well known to policy makers. Yet they did it anyway. It made no geopolitical sense. But it made commercial sense. War, after all, is a business, a very lucrative one. It is why we spent two decades in Afghanistan although there was near universal consensus after a few years of fruitless fighting that we had waded into a quagmire we could never win.

In a classified diplomatic cable obtained and released by WikiLeaks dated February 1, 2008, written from Moscow, and addressed to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, NATO-European Union Cooperative, National Security Council, Russia Moscow Political Collective, Secretary of Defense, and Secretary of State, there was an unequivocal understanding that expanding NATO risked an eventual conflict with Russia, especially over Ukraine.

“Not only does Russia perceive encirclement [by NATO], and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests,” the cable reads. “Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war.

In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face. Dmitri Trenin, Deputy Director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, expressed concern that Ukraine was, in the long-term, the most potentially destabilizing factor in U.S.-Russian relations, given the level of emotion and neuralgia triggered by its quest for NATO membership.

Because membership remained divisive in Ukrainian domestic politics, it created an opening for Russian intervention. Trenin expressed concern that elements within the Russian establishment would be encouraged to meddle, stimulating U.S. overt encouragement of opposing political forces, and leaving the U.S. and Russia in a classic confrontational posture.”

The Obama administration, not wanting to further inflame tensions with Russia, blocked arms sales to Kiev. But this act of prudence was abandoned by the Trump and Biden administrations. Weapons from the U.S. and Great Britain are pouring into Ukraine, part of the $1.5 billion in promised military aid. The equipment includes hundreds of sophisticated Javelins and NLAW anti-tank weapons despite repeated protests by Moscow.

The United States and its NATO allies have no intention of sending troops to Ukraine. Rather, they will flood the country with weapons, which is what it did in the 2008 conflict between Russia and Georgia.

The conflict in Ukraine echoes the novel “Chronicle of a Death Foretold” by Gabriel Garcia Marquez. In the novel it is acknowledged by the narrator that “there had never been a death more foretold” and yet no one was able or willing to stop it. All of us who reported from Eastern Europe in 1989 knew the consequences of provoking Russia, and yet few have raised their voices to halt the madness. The methodical steps towards war took on a life of their own, moving us like sleepwalkers towards disaster.

Once NATO expanded into Eastern Europe, the Clinton administration promised Moscow that NATO combat troops would not be stationed in Eastern Europe, the defining issue of the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act on Mutual Relations (https://www.nato.int/cps/su/natohq/official_texts_25468.htm). This promise again turned out to be a lie. Then in 2014 the U.S. backed a coup against the Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who sought to build an economic alliance with Russia rather than the European Union.

Of course, once integrated into the European Union, as seen in the rest of Eastern Europe, the next step is integration into NATO. Russia, spooked by the coup, alarmed at the overtures by the EU and NATO, then annexed Crimea, largely populated by Russian speakers. And the death spiral that led us to the conflict currently underway in Ukraine became unstoppable.

The war state needs enemies to sustain itself. When an enemy can’t be found, an enemy is manufactured. Putin has become, in the words of Senator Angus King, the new Hitler, out to grab Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe. The full-throated cries for war, echoed shamelessly by the press, are justified by draining the conflict of historical context, by elevating ourselves as the saviors and whoever we oppose, from Saddam Hussein to Putin, as the new Nazi leader.

I don’t know where this will end up. We must remember, as Putin reminded us, that Russia is a nuclear power. We must remember that once you open the Pandora’s box of war it unleashes dark and murderous forces no one can control. I know this from personal experience. The match has been lit. The tragedy is that there was never any dispute about how the conflagration would start.

[Gwin Ru]

...

Of course, once integrated into the European Union, as seen in the rest of Eastern Europe, the next step is integration into NATO. Russia, spooked by the coup, alarmed at the overtures by the EU and NATO, then annexed Crimea, largely populated by Russian speakers. And the death spiral that led us to the conflict currently underway in Ukraine became unstoppable.Related:


Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Israel, Iran, Putin, China, and World War III (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-China-and-World-War-III)

[I am B]

Words and actions are far from one another but still:

Steve Herman (@W7VOA) twitteó: "Cyberattacks can trigger Article 5" of the @NATO charter, notes @jensstoltenberg. https://t.co/IIh76jfYT8

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1497266936929005570?


Meanwhile, reports of the NVIDIA company in the US being targeted by a cyberattack come up.

It does fit with the WEF narrative of "Cyberattacks will be the new pandemics"

[Vicus]

Deja Vu

What today happen, should be happen 8 years ago...

Putin was indecisive and pay with 10.000 death people...

Today he don't want the same story again or worse...

At that time I was active in a "antiwar" Bar in Berlin, With people from all over the world, and I came in contact whit Russian and Ukrainian citizens.

We made a lot of actions: concerts, videos/films/photos,posters, etc

All the videos and films that now are relevant , from Oliver Stone documentation about the Maidan, interview whit Putin, etc.

This poster I stick over many Bars, Markets, in all monuments remember the liberation from Nazi Germany.

If a photo is worth more than 1.000 words...this photo speak volumes...

http://antikriegsnachrichten.de/im1/augustweb800.jpg

http://antikriegsnachrichten.de

[Bill Ryan]

More from J.R. Nyquist, published today. As I mentioned a few hours ago (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1485101&viewfull=1#post1485101), Nyquist's view of the history and background (and of US agendas) doesn't agree with that of many other analysts.


https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/02/25/the-war-in-ukraine-interview-with-the-populist-patriot (https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/02/25/the-war-in-ukraine-interview-with-the-populist-patriot/)

The War in Ukraine: Interview With the Populist Patriot

…Russia overcame the inertia of collapse and started reviving its power, while the West, being lulled by sweet day-dreams of the liberal ‘end of history,’ castrated its armed forces to the point, when they could be good [only] for leading colonial wars with weak and technically backward enemies. The balance of forces in Europe has thus changed in Russia’s favor.
— Pravda, 13 November 2014The headline of the Pravda article cited above reads, “Russia takes complete advantage of castrated armed forces of the West.” We also read in that same Russian article, “The illusion of world supremacy played a cruel joke on Washington.” We must ask a question here: Who fostered the illusion of American world supremacy? What country supposedly quit the business of nuclear competition, the business of communist subversion, the business of the Cold War? Russia supposedly quit. But they did not quit!

Nevertheless, we find Tucker Carlson and Patrick Buchanan saying that we have been unfair to Russia, that we have needlessly provoked Vladimir Putin, tricking the Russians with false promises. No. The Russians tricked us. And they were already laughing at us in November 2014.

America wanted to believe that the nightmare threat of Mutual Assured Destruction was a thing of the past. The Americans never wanted a conflict with Russia, or with China. The Americans wanted to live in peace. But we will not be living in peace. The war is coming to us whether we want it or not. And the war has now begun in Ukraine and there will be additional moves.

Here is my discussion with Nevin Gussack of the Populist Patriot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfzjiB0sUk

[I am B]

Another "front" of the conflict that could bring more turmoil into it.

Russian fleet presumed to be targeting international cargo ships on the black sea. Seems like there is a good quantity of good proof and data on it at this point.

https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1497247647597486088?

[Michel Leclerc]

"And do you remember how Poroshenko said that "Our children will go to school, their children will sit in basements"?

The children of Donbass were sitting in the basements. Now children of Ukraine are sitting in basements.

The favorite of the Donetsk public, pianist Valentina Lisitsa, argues.

"Is it possible so that "Both our and your children will go to school, and Poroshenko will be in prison?" - she asks."

To honour Valentina Lisitsa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS7ttPETWXk

The force of great art is the same force as the one that brings heroism: it requires sacrifice of self.

[Ewan]

Russia and the West, particularly the USA have been playing brinkmanship with each other for more than half a century. Russia takes a shot at the eagle at least as often as America pokes the bear. Both countries lie to each other and have repeatedly lied to the world. They both have highly active and effective propaganda machines. It is easy to think about this War (call it what it is) being about the expansion of NATO and the protection of the Russians and Russian speaking people in the Dombas but that would be completely off the mark. The genesis of this war had nothing to do with NATO it had everything to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union. We know this for a fact because Putin has articulated clearly and repeatedly why he wants Ukraine to be part of Russia.

Putin has peddled so many lies about Ukraine it is hard to keep them straight. The lie that he summons at every opportunity is that NATO promised to never expand "one inch" beyond Germany. It is not in a treaty, agreement or charter. It is nothing more than Putin attempting to justify his designs on Ukraine and the killing of people to get it.

Another lie that has Putin prognosticators screaming in support of this war but has historians and truth seekers scratching their heads is the lie about Nazi elements within the Ukraine government. Putin has long sought to falsely paint Ukraine as a Nazi hotbed, which is a particularly bewildering accusation given that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish and lost three family members in the Holocaust. Putin's propaganda machine has done an incredible job getting some people in the world to believe that a Jew is a Nazi hellbent on the destruction of Russia.

Many people will tell you that Americans control NATO membership but that has never been the case and is certainly not the case today. The Americans exert some control and some influence but they do not have a final say on membership or changes to the NATO charter. A lot people of which I include myself wished that Biden would have told Putin that at least for the foreseeable future (10 years) Ukraine would have no chance to be admitted to NATO. Quite frankly there is only a fractional chance that Ukraine would ever become a member anyway. It takes a unanimous vote by all members to admit a new NATO Alliance Member.  Germany, France and others have been reluctant to admit Ukraine.  If Putin clearly understood that Ukraine would not become a member of NATO for at least 10 years it would have exposed Putin's true motivation. At the very least it would have removed his excuse for causing so much pain and suffering while at the same time destabilising the world.

American government contractors want war and if they can't have a war they want arms to be sent to Ukraine in great quantities. It is disheartening to watch the American propaganda machine better known as the mainstream media interview American senators and congressmen who consistently speak on the behalf of government military contractors telling the American public that billions of dollars of weapons will help Ukraine. Help them do what...........prolong an unwinnable war, incur more death and destruction or do these contractors just want more wealth arming civilians while they sit in their gated communities overlooking the Pacific Ocean.

Russia's violent incursion into Ukraine is about circumstance and opportunity. The opportunity has presented itself to restore one of the perceived jewels in the crown of a fallen empire. The circumstances are such that only opposition would be coming from an ageing, weak, mediocre leader (Biden) that appears to have dementia. Putin understands that if he misses this opportunity the circumstances may never present themselves again in his lifetime.

It is now abundantly clear that Putin has a backchannel agreement with Xi Jinping of China to sell, natural gas, oil and coal. Putin also has an agreement with China to buy technology, manufactured goods and supplies. The sanctions that Europe and the USA plan to put in place will have little to no impact. There could very well be a broader understanding between the two that they will each stand down while the other chases restoration of their perceived empires. Oddly these two guys just don't get it, they have no clue about legacy and life, it is truly meaningless.

Make no mistake this is about Putin, it is about restoring an empire, it is about narcissism, ego, psychopathy, psychopathic behaviour and it is unnecessary.

Have we got a source for this please, assuming they are not your words?

I cannot agree with the last sentence which has been bolded, it ignores a considerable amount of geopolitical history from the conclusion.

[muxfolder]

Where are my Finnish and Swedish friends now? This is getting real. Just trying to get your opinion.

[Mashika]

Kiev is surrounded and Russian troops are in

There are reports that the Ukranian military has shielded themselves between habitational buildings and not allowing people to get away. They are using them as human shields now

Bridges and roads outside the city were preventively destroyed by the Ukrainian army. People are now trapped inside the war zone

https://t.me/asbmil/211
https://t.me/asbmil/214
https://t.me/asbmil/216