WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Mashika]

Hi Mashika
i read the articles.
have you even seen or heard of the movie Dr Strangelove?
should you get a chance to watch, I think it would be oddly amusing at this moment

i hope you are well
tp doug

Have not, but it is on my 'movies to watch some day in the hopefully not too far future" :)

Thanks! Hope you are doing well too :flower:

[Spiral]

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This has been mentioned but this tg post has a bit more detail.

battleinsights/5876

text, "Italian Newspaper La Repubblica reports (https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2022/10/01/news/belgorod_sottomarino_mar_baltico_russia-368180406/) that NATO has sent an intelligence warning to its allies which states the Russian K329 Belgorod nuclear submarine has been mobilized, located somewhere in the arctic sea, fearing the Submarine is looking to test the Status-6 “doomsday” nuclear superweapon.

The K329 is armed with the “superweapon” Status 6 - Poseidon oceanic multi-purpose system— also known as the “doomsday weapon”, The nuclear torpedos have an unlimited range and are impossible to track according to available information. The K329 also carries another “midget” submarine on its belly. "

[Rizotto]

Great piece by Caitlin Johnstone, who doesn't mince her words:

Fable of ‘Unprovoked’ War Blocks Peace
"As long as the fact this war was provoked remains unacknowledged by the side that provoked it, the sane path of detente will look like reckless appeasement and nuclear brinkmanship will look like sanity."

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/10/02/caitlin-johnstone-unprovoked-war-fable-blocks-peace/

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Mashika
i read the articles.
have you even seen or heard of the movie Dr Strangelove?
should you get a chance to watch, I think it would be oddly amusing at this moment

i hope you are well
tp doug

Have not, but it is on my 'movies to watch some day in the hopefully not too far future" :)

OMG, how is that possible? :P:ROFL::heart2:

@everyone — I've just sent the movie to Mashika, with English, Russian and Spanish subtitles. :thumbsup: It probably deserves a whole thread of its own, but it was one of Stanley Kubrick's greatest (and funniest) films, was probably how come he was asked to fake the Apollo moon landings (because of his pioneering use of front screen projection to show the B-52 flying over Siberia, which amazed everyone at the time), and has Peter Sellers, one of Britain's most celebrated comedians, playing 3 (three) roles.

https://we.tl/t-UZPKtiZjd9 (mp4, 604 Mb)

:popcorn: :focus:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Heck yeh, you really must see this classic!

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[mountain_jim]

well I posted this elsewhere recently but it seems to fit here now as well. (image from Dr Strangelove)

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1050,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/116/771/168/original/bdf567ec0dd7ea6a.jpg

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/ReadovkaWorld/status/1576943811283910656
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https://twitter.com/ReadovkaWorld/status/1576943817197907968
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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/563960-duma-ratifies-accession-treaties-donbass/

Russian State Duma ratifies accession treaties for Donbass, Kherson, and Zaporozhye

The State Duma has unanimously ratified the treaties on the accession of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, to the Russian Federation.

President Vladimir Putin submitted the documents regarding the four former Ukrainian territories to the lower house of parliament on Sunday. All four voted overwhelmingly in favor of joining Russia in referendums held between September 23 and 27.

Addressing legislators before the vote, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that accession will “serve the interests of all people of our multiethnic country.”

He added that Kiev had oppressed Russian-speaking people, which made the existence of certain territories within the Ukrainian state impossible.

State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin argued that accession to Russia is the only way to save the people living in the four former Ukrainian territories from shelling by Ukrainian troops. “The only way to end this is reunification [with Russia],” he said.

Long way home: How Ukraine lost control of regions that returned to Russia
Long way home: How Ukraine lost control of regions that returned to Russia
The accession treaties, which were signed by Putin on Friday, were then approved by the Russian Constitutional Court.

The next step in the accession process is ratification by the Federation Council, the upper house of Russia’s parliament.

The DPR and LPR broke off from Ukraine shortly after the 2014 coup in Kiev. Russia recognized them as independent states in February.

Ukraine’s southern Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions were seized by Russian troops during Moscow’s military operation in the neighboring country, which was launched on February 24. They declared independence in the wake of last week’s referendums and, along with the DPR and LPR, requested to be admitted into Russia.

Ukraine, along with Western countries, considers the vote illegal and refused to recognize the accession.


https://www.rt.com/business/563908-ruble-currency-new-regions/

Ruble will become official currency in former Ukrainian regions

The Russian ruble is set to become the official currency for the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, the former Ukrainian territories that voted to join Russia in a referendum earlier this week.

According to the press service of Russia’s State Duma Committee on State Construction and Legislation, the Ukrainian hryvnia will be accepted for payments in the regions until December 31. However, starting January 1, the ruble will be the only currency accepted.

“The ruble will be the monetary unit on the territories of the new [Russian] regions. Until December 31, 2022, the Ukrainian hryvnia will be accepted for cash and non-cash payments. The Bank of Russia will be empowered to establish the specifics of credit and non-credit financial institutions operation,” the press service said in a statement on Sunday.

The DPR and LPR broke off from Kiev and had been de facto independent territories since 2014. Kherson and Zaporozhye declared independence from Ukraine earlier this year. All four territories voted in favor of joining Russia in referendums held between September 23 and 27.

READ MORE: Russia’s top court rules on accession of former Ukrainian regions
The Russian Constitutional Court ruled on Sunday that the treaties on the accession of the territories to Russia are in full accordance with the constitution, and the next step to make them part of Russia is for the documents to be ratified by both houses of the Russian parliament. The votes on this are expected to pass in the coming days.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1576940484215377924
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[url]https://tass.com/politics/1517183?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

State Duma passes laws on accepting DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions into Russia


According to the documents, the DPR and the LPR will retain their status as republics after joining Russia and Russian will be their official language

MOSCOW, October 3. /TASS/. The State Duma unanimously passed draft constitutional laws on accepting the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR, LPR), as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, into Russia in the first reading and in their entirety on Monday.

According to the laws, the residents of the new constituent entities are recognized as Russian citizens starting on September 30, the day the regions joined Russia, but they have a month to reject Russian citizenship. The documents specify that the residents of the new regions can acquire Russian citizenship by submitting applications and being sworn in as Russian citizens.

Territorial borders

According to the documents, the DPR and the LPR will retain their status as republics after joining Russia and Russian will be their official language. The Kherson and Zaporozhye regions will also join Russia as constituent entities and will continue to be called "regions." The borders of the republics and regions will be the same as those that "existed on the day of their creation and accession into Russia." International accords specify that their borders with other countries will be regarded as Russia’s state borders. At the same time, under the constitutional laws, the DPR and the LPR are joining Russia under the 2014 borders enshrined in their constitutions.

Transition period

A transition period will last between the day of the new regions’ accession to Russia until January 1, 2026. In particular, Russian citizens residing in the DPR, the LPR, the Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions will be guaranteed the right to work. In addition, documents on their education and civil status, as well as on their length of employment and the right to obtain pensions and social and medical aid, will be recognized. Branches of federal government agencies will be set up in the new republics and regions by June 1, 2023.

Currencies and budget

The Russian ruble will become the only currency used in the DPR, the LPR, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions on January 1, 2023, but the use of the Ukrainian hryvnia will be permitted until the end of 2022. Besides, the new constituent entities will implement Russia’s budget legislation on January 1, 2023, while their budgets will be approved by December 15, 2022.

On new Russian entities

On Sunday, Russian President Vladimir Putin submitted draft federal constitutional laws on accepting new entities into Russia to the State Duma. The Russian Constitutional Court later approved the documents.

Putin and the heads of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as well as of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, signed treaties on their accession to Russia at a Kremlin ceremony on September 30. The majority of their residents earlier voted to join Russia in referendums.

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/politics/2022/10/03/italy-summons-russian-ambassador-blasts-sham-referenda_b50775bc-1ee4-48cd-8c6b-dfd357a6f4d0.html


Italy summons Russian ambassador, blasts 'sham' referenda
Rome considering more sanctions along with allies says Sequi

ANSA) - ROME, OCT 3 - Foreign Ministry Secretary General Ettore Sequi told a news conference on Monday that Italy condemns the "sham" referenda Russia held in areas of Ukraine occupied by its forces and will not recognize Moscow's declaration that it had annexed them after Russian Ambassador Sergey Razov was summoned to a meeting.
Sequi said the referenda were held "illegally and in violation of every international law.
"Italy does not recognize them nor the outcome," he added.
Sequi said Italy would remain in line with its allies and contemplate imposing more sanctions on Russia as a "peaceful instrument of pressure to put an end to the war of aggression".
(ANSA).

Some of the other European countries summoning Russia ambassadors over the referendums.

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1576865303052849153
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https://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/status/1575861026809151489
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https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1576856954789457920
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https://twitter.com/MFA_Austria/status/1576891329606344704
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https://twitter.com/Globalchange10/status/1576643034841681920
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[Mike Gorman]

fake the moon landings? I will just ask you this one simple question: Do you think a man of the calibre, and integrity as Edgar Mitchell would be complicit in staging Apollo 14, and lying about going to the Moon, this man who did so much for breaking the NASA stranglehold on the UFO/alien narrative and who gave us such clarity and perspective? Even if you think the moon missions were dodgy, Edgar Mitchell would be incapable of deception, he spoke with the Roswell 'old timers'.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/status/1576674394373783552
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https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/status/1576674399020728320
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[Spiral]

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[Spiral]

There has been talk of the US using a false flag tactical nuke in Ukraine, where they will claim the Russians used a nuke because they are losing to the Ukrainians, because the Ukrainians have thrown every thing they have inc a lot of NATO or ex NATO mercs in a last gasp attempt to make some inroads against the inevitable.

IMHO this is why we are now seeing this ;

battleinsights/5877



Kremlin comments on Kadyrov’s call to use “low-yield nuclear weapons” in Ukraine

An article by the Russian state media TASS agency:

-> The heads of Russia’s regions have the right to express their own opinion, but even in the most dramatic moments emotions must not prevail, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.
He was speaking in response to a remark by Chechnya’s leader Ramzan Kadyrov to the effect that in the special operation in Ukraine "more drastic measures are needed, including the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons."
"The heads of Russia’s regions have the authority to express their point of view and to make assessments. After all, they are the heads of entire Russian regions, including Ramzan Kadyrov, who, as you know, has done a great deal from the very beginning of the special military operation and made a very big contribution to the campaign. And he continues doing so," Peskov said.
It is a totally different matter, he continued, that "even in the most difficult moments emotions should probably be excluded from any comments."

"We prefer to stick to very balanced and objective assessments," Peskov explained.
In response to the question whether the call for using nuclear weapons might be considered a manifestation of emotions, Peskov said: "We may use nuclear weapons on the basis of what is stated in the relevant doctrine."
"There can be no other considerations here," he stressed.
The Kremlin spokesman reiterated that Chechnya's merits in conducting the special military operation were "very great."
"The whole republic continues to make a very big contribution to the special military operation. Very heroically and effectively," he said.
According to the Russian nuclear doctrine (The Basic Principles of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence of 2020), the use of nuclear weapons by Russia is possible if the enemy uses this or other types of weapons of mass destruction against Russia and its allies, if reliable information is received about the launch of ballistic missiles for attacking Russia and its allies, in case of the enemy’s impact on facilities necessary for retaliatory measures by the nuclear forces, as well as in the event of aggression against Russia with conventional weapons that endanger the very existence of the state. <-

In a couple of days if we get past this danger there will be a huge influx of men & modern machinery after the regions that have declared independence gets ratified, or rather what has already got there will be deployed & there will be a huge turn around in the stalemate on the front.

[Mashika]

She's a liutenant on a motorized rifle division but handles a tank, she's probably on a mechanized subordinated tank regiment, i should have chosen one like that back then lol.

Always wanted to be tankista, handle the main gun and all that stuff :) Instead i ended up on a motorized rifle division only, handling mortar and kornet anti-tank launchers and doing recon ops. Dumb life choices.... lmao

But can't lie, feel a little envious when i see her on that tank :facepalm::blushing::raining:

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[Mashika]

WAR - AFTER THE LIMAN - BY Epoddubny - Sub by Eureka News

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He said about the defeat in Liman what he considered necessary to say. Both on the federal air and for the telegram. The program was recorded in Kremennaya. Take a look before bed.

I still consider it harmful to display emotions about failures in the public field. The constructive from this is zero, the enemy is a lollipop.

I am a war reporter for a country at war. And on this occasion, all I could, I wrote on February 24th.

And this applies specifically to failures and, specifically, emotions.

[TargeT]

She's a liutenant on a motorized rifle division but handles a tank, she's probably on a mechanized subordinated tank regiment, i should have chosen one like that back then lol.

Always wanted to be tankista, handle the main gun and all that stuff :) Instead i ended up on a motorized rifle division only, handling mortar and kornet anti-tank launchers and doing recon ops. Dumb life choices.... lmao

But can't lie, feel a little envious when i see her on that tank :facepalm::blushing::raining:

Slavyangrad/11725

Think you could handle the shells though? those things aren't small and in older tanks they don't have much in the way of an auto loader.

"feeling a little inadequate?" haha I always loved that scene

mef757ZGUIU

I've been in a few tanks, but all US and UK (ours are so much better than the UK's, lol) and a few bradley's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle) (cute marine "tanks"), but all of em but one were just parked, I did get to roll in an Abrams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams#:~:text=The%20M1%20Abrams%20entered%20service,Arabia%2C%20Australia%2C%20and%20Iraq.) at a range... it was shocking how powerful those things are (and they are from the 80's!).

I mostly carried a laptop or radio, so you did better than me for the "fun" jobs. Did you just do the 2 years, what was your take on the moral / effort exerted from the mandatory service soldiers?

[Bill Ryan]

fake the moon landings? I will just ask you this one simple question: Do you think a man of the calibre, and integrity as Edgar Mitchell would be complicit in staging Apollo 14, and lying about going to the Moon, this man who did so much for breaking the NASA stranglehold on the UFO/alien narrative and who gave us such clarity and perspective? Even if you think the moon missions were dodgy, Edgar Mitchell would be incapable of deception, he spoke with the Roswell 'old timers'.My apologies. I was a little loose in my reference. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1521081&viewfull=1#post1521081) I meant that Stanley Kubrick faked the published photos and videos of the moon landings. The Apollo missions did go to the moon, but something else happened there that was has never been made public.

Here's Jay Weidner, on Art Bell's radio show on 4 August 2015. He recounts how Edgar Mitchell consulted hypnotherapist Dr Robert Masters because he couldn't remember a thing about being on the moon.

This audio clip is highly recommended, concerning the Apollo astronauts' loss of memory. The person talking first is Stanton Friedman, who was also a guest on the show:

http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_on_Art_Bell_4_August_2015_Apollo_astronauts_lost_memories.mp3 (3 mins 20 seconds, 4 Mb)

Dr Masters was unable to help Mitchell, who passed away a few years ago still not remembering a thing about his Apollo mission.

This is as far off topic from Ukraine and Russia as one might imagine. :) The best thread to continue the discussion is Did we really go to the Moon? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100303-Did-we-really-go-to-the-Moon) (And the briefest answer is yes, we did, but what really happened up there is still classified.)

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[Mashika]

She's a liutenant on a motorized rifle division but handles a tank, she's probably on a mechanized subordinated tank regiment, i should have chosen one like that back then lol.

Always wanted to be tankista, handle the main gun and all that stuff :) Instead i ended up on a motorized rifle division only, handling mortar and kornet anti-tank launchers and doing recon ops. Dumb life choices.... lmao

But can't lie, feel a little envious when i see her on that tank :facepalm::blushing::raining:

Slavyangrad/11725

Think you could handle the shells though? those things aren't small and in older tanks they don't have much in the way of an auto loader.


Sure i could, i handled 122 mortars and even a D30 for a couple months. And if you know about self propelled soviet cannons, those were not built with the safety of the gunner in mind, it throws the explosion back at you every single time, so you get hit 10, 20 times a day with a very powerful backlash, it drains your body and makes you sick and possibly even causes brain damage over time

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It is a monster, and when in close/hard combat, you don't get to be a snow flake and you don't get to use the cord to avoid the backlash, you stand there next to the gun as it shoots, receiving all the explosion back every single time so you can reach the max/minute rounds capacity. It hits your body hard

I heard that there are some places in teh US where you can go and shoot a D-30, like a fighting range. You should try it a few times :P






"feeling a little inadequate?" haha I always loved that scene

mef757ZGUIU

In the US, i don't know how it works, but in Luhansk, or in Donbass in general, you fight or you die, and gender has nothing to do with the gun you handle, except for the high level howitzers like the pion and malka and so on, those are way too heavy to handle at max rate of fire for some random 16 year old kid, those require a full grown up with big arms just to reload a single shot, let's not even talk about reaching max fighting rate per minute lol



I've been in a few tanks, but all US and UK (ours are so much better than the UK's, lol) and a few bradley's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle) (cute marine "tanks"), but all of em but one were just parked, I did get to roll in an Abrams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams#:~:text=The%20M1%20Abrams%20entered%20service,Arabia%2C%20Australia%2C%20and%20Iraq.) at a range... it was shocking how powerful those things are (and they are from the 80's!).

I mostly carried a laptop or radio, so you did better than me for the "fun" jobs. Did you just do the 2 years, what was your take on the moral / effort exerted from the mandatory service soldiers?

For us it was very hard, there was mostly no sleeping, and the demand was way too high, like something you would expect from a 29 year old guy or something like that. But the situation didn't allow for less than that at that time

Mortars like 82mm and above, at full rate of fire, drain you badly in half an hour or so, but once you are there, you can't just ask for a timeout from the other side, you keep going or die. So it's crazy hard that way, no backup, no rotation at all sometimes for days, what to do? Day and night 'on call' is all we could do. That's why a lot deserted or died, or got injured because of lack of sleep and then lack of care or attention, it was kind of brutal to be honest, no modern official army would allow that. But we were not "official army", it was just "pro-russian separatists" and "rebels"

I was on the LPR army, not on the Russian army, we were not, never been part of Russia in any way, until now

Luhansk received little help from Russia, unlike Crimea and less than the DPR for sure, the close you go to the south, the more help they received, for the BGs in the north, help was received from the Donetsk side, so it kind of went like this

Russia Help -> Crimea -> Donetsk -> (whatever is left) Luhansk


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I've seen videos of US tanks in Syria and other places over there, looked very effective, for some reason i don't see many from the UK, i suppose, but don't want to say it straight out, that those are not very good in real combat... ups.. i said it... lmao

This is a very nice one, love how the tank stirs the nest with the machine gun, then the guys on the other side do the obvious thing (move around so they can be detected) and then they are gone lol

"Best Tank clip: M1A2 sep's firing 5 shots in iraq 1 of 2"
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[Mashika]

She's a liutenant on a motorized rifle division but handles a tank, she's probably on a mechanized subordinated tank regiment, i should have chosen one like that back then lol.

Always wanted to be tankista, handle the main gun and all that stuff :) Instead i ended up on a motorized rifle division only, handling mortar and kornet anti-tank launchers and doing recon ops. Dumb life choices.... lmao

But can't lie, feel a little envious when i see her on that tank :facepalm::blushing::raining:

Slavyangrad/11725

Think you could handle the shells though? those things aren't small and in older tanks they don't have much in the way of an auto loader.

"feeling a little inadequate?" haha I always loved that scene

mef757ZGUIU

I've been in a few tanks, but all US and UK (ours are so much better than the UK's, lol) and a few bradley's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle) (cute marine "tanks"), but all of em but one were just parked, I did get to roll in an Abrams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams#:~:text=The%20M1%20Abrams%20entered%20service,Arabia%2C%20Australia%2C%20and%20Iraq.) at a range... it was shocking how powerful those things are (and they are from the 80's!).

I mostly carried a laptop or radio, so you did better than me for the "fun" jobs. Did you just do the 2 years, what was your take on the moral / effort exerted from the mandatory service soldiers?

Here you go, it's fun and crazy, and you can't truly shoot it more than 20 or so times in a day or your brain will turn into jelly :P

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[TargeT]

Here you go, it's fun and crazy, and you can't truly shoot it more than 20 or so times in a day or your brain will turn into jelly :P

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Ahh, in the US we call Mortars something much smaller and very different
https://api.army.mil/e2/c/images/2021/02/16/c898eae9/size0-full.jpg

The equipment you pictured we call "alterlery"
https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/xPdZEjz9BfXE1C_o7cT9KWJbafw=/1024x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/J6IZPIEDJ5CSHDZ3OTJHL36PWM.jpg

and yeah, some of those shells are much bigger than tank rounds, so i with draw my shell question :)

[Mashika]

Here you go, it's fun and crazy, and you can't truly shoot it more than 20 or so times in a day or your brain will turn into jelly :P

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Ahh, in the US we call Mortars something much smaller and very different
https://api.army.mil/e2/c/images/2021/02/16/c898eae9/size0-full.jpg

The equipment you pictured we call "alterlery"
https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/xPdZEjz9BfXE1C_o7cT9KWJbafw=/1024x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/J6IZPIEDJ5CSHDZ3OTJHL36PWM.jpg

and yeah, some of those shells are much bigger than tank rounds, so i with draw my shell question :)

Is just that we have mobile 'mortars', which are basically 122mm shells, but we also have the usual mortars just like the ones the US use

But check this, both the D-20 and the D-30 howitzers have the same design flaw, so every single time you shoot one of those, you get hit badly, so here's some points about that

- The skull of a younger person (18 or below) is not as developed as an older adult, so the hit from the gun bounces your brain a lot more than someone 25 or 30 or so
- Resilience from an older adult also helps a lot (i could not handle 40 rounds per hour, but someone 25 to 30 years old definitely could). And the D-30 can shoot between 40 to 70 rounds per hour tops, but it depends on who is handling the gun obviously. Anyone could shoot 40/100 rounds in a day, but doing that for weeks and with a slim body and a slim skull will cause you several side effects in the long term

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AL9nZEUo_WDKUAvi2xgPdN_F4Rh08WCNvRCZ1QEMrnHQGNCDYCYZvqNEnp6tDfwwxCr4lZBsYaJqmCMtMCqXnJ1mpkrr2bWxaoKB jV4UfwGa_LEPso2GaSp3ouZFuV-K6-uawkX6cwkAb-0I4gZQ4AVBsx62=w1255-h630-no?authuser=0

Compared to getting hit by that every time you shoot, being inside a tank must be easy, you don't get hit by the explosion the same way, from what i have seen at least

There are these mortars that work as a towed howitzer, so the line between that and a regular mortar is kind of very thin :)

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For regular mortar, we used Podnos, light enough for us to handle, but strong enough to cause real damage

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The combination of D-30 in the anti-tank configuration and the Podnos is very effective, you can take down a BMP or even a T-72 with the D-30, they explode like squashed bugs lol, and the Podnos is very very effective against infantry, specially when unloading from a BMP or other APCs

Kind of getting carried away now lol :ROFL::o:waving:

[Mashika]

Elon Musk may be very smart and all that, but he clearly is very ill informed about what's going on in Donbass since 9 years ago

He thinks he 'came up' with this brilliant idea that is basically the Minsk-2 agreements that Ukraine refused to implement and threw away

Elon Musk forgot one key point: What are we going to do to prevent the massive cleansing, and who's going to bring justice to the around 20,000 ethnic Russians that were already killed by Ukraine?

As said, he may be very smart for tech and business, but he lacks a lot in the side of geo politics and war, he should spend more time learning and getting involved

I wonder how he feels about helping Ukraine map locations with the Starlink satellites, so they can use HIMARS rockets against civilian targets every single day, isn't he bothered by it? Is he naive, or just badly disinformed?

"Elon Musk sparks backlash from Ukrainian officials with unsolicited ‘peace’ plan"
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/03/tech/elon-musk-ukraine-russia-tweets/index.html

There's a reason why artists, celebrities and other groups of people should remain away from these kind of topics, they usually have no clue what they are talking about. And they lack the will to truly understand the problem in the first place

He probably thinks he is saving lives in Donbass by allowing the Ukrainian army access to the Starlink satellites and giving them mobile access points. He has no clue

[TargeT]

they usually have no clue what they are talking about. And they lack the will to truly understand the problem in the first place

or, in the middle of a 8% stock price down day (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/tesla-stock-down-after-third-quarter-deliveries-report-.html) following (what he probably assumed would be a very well taken) AI day and "missed deliveries" numbers (even though they have stopped accepting preorders on the most popular models (https://electrek.co/2022/08/12/tesla-stops-model-3-long-range-orders/) and raised prices several times (https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a40322143/2022-tesla-prices-raised/) due to demand which is not even counting the ~3mil cybertruck pre-orders (https://www.torquenews.com/1/data-shows-over-3-million-tesla-cybertruck-orders-and-its-not-surprising) (I'm one of em)); maybe he trolled as he always has... this guy knows how to push just far enough to cause "free press" but not hard enough to alienate.

I'm not sure either way, but I think there's a case for both, the timing is ridiculously accurate.


also: I'd say this is potentially (ok, probably) worse than being misinformed and making stupid statements... so don't view the above as an endorsement of behavior, just noticing interesting things.

[Mashika]

they usually have no clue what they are talking about. And they lack the will to truly understand the problem in the first place

or, in the middle of a 8% stock price down day (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/tesla-stock-down-after-third-quarter-deliveries-report-.html) following (what he probably assumed would be a very well taken) AI day and "missed deliveries" numbers (even though they have stopped accepting preorders on the most popular models (https://electrek.co/2022/08/12/tesla-stops-model-3-long-range-orders/) and raised prices several times (https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a40322143/2022-tesla-prices-raised/) due to demand which is not even counting the ~3mil cybertruck pre-orders (https://www.torquenews.com/1/data-shows-over-3-million-tesla-cybertruck-orders-and-its-not-surprising) (I'm one of em)); maybe he trolled as he always has... this guy knows how to push just far enough to cause "free press" but not hard enough to alienate.

I'm not sure either way, but I think there's a case for both, the timing is ridiculously accurate.


also: I'd say this is potentially worse than being misinformed and making stupid statements... so don't view the above as an endorsement of behavior, just noticing interesting things.

There's very little wiggle room in this case

- If he knows what's going on and how the Starlink network is being used, and he remains calm about it and makes no changes, then what kind of person he is?
- If he doesn't know, and is being naive and clueless about the reality over there, then also what kind of person he is, that he fails to get properly informed and plays around with the lives of thousands of people, just because he can't bother to learn more about the actual situation on the ground?

I don't know, but things don't look good either way

[TargeT]

- If he knows what's going on and how the Starlink network is being used, and he remains calm about it and makes no changes, then what kind of person he is?

there is no way in reality that the starlink constellation did not have the DoD's stamp of approval (probably due to use agreements). Unless I'm missing something, the fact that this hasn't been brought up to "out him" by the MSM just lends so much credibility to the theory IMO, that would be an easy "fear porn" topic...

ie: controlled opposition style, like Ron Paul (who accomplished exactly zero meaningful things over decades in congress).


Maybe I'm just becoming a bit too much of a cynic. :facepalm:

[Justplain]

For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of mariupol:

5DWbMoyIVRo

Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:


bXmFaFS1etw

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/fq1liw/very_graphic_combat_footage_from_grozny_during/

https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-grozny-before-after/26733810.html

[Mike Gorman]

I think Elon is genuinely naive, this comes across in many of the interviews and appearances I have seen him in, he reminds me of a clever private school boy, gifted in his creative vision, but immature and lacking in worldly wisdom, it is no surprise he doesn't understand politics or the true scale of what is going on here

[shaberon]

The Big Picture (IMO) is that the Globalist Elite who have control of NATO and are embedded in Military organizations around the world...... don't want a peaceful solution...


No, but from the U. S. there are two different trends which may appear the same from the outside.


One side is similar to the Truman Doctrine --> General MacArthur --> Rand Corporation and so on and is generally Republican. Far more interested in a big pork barrel defense industry than an actual hot conflict. Enough tension to scare people is good. This strategy generally favors the U. S. as the #1 player who therefor dominates the U. N.


On the other hand, those Hawks who are closer to PNAC are far more interested in disassembling and overthrowing countries. This view says it is fine to essentially cast governments to the side so that businesses can exploit resources and populations without oversight. Similarly it is more interested in the U. N. and similar organizations having power over the U. S. as a vassal part of it. Again even in recent years, Hillary Clinton called the CFR her "boss" and there is nothing new or different here.


Because the country is neither "a Republic" nor "a Democracy", these are Pharasaical twists which were intended to be prevented at all possible costs.




In a nut shell... from their point of view - you can only have a One World Government and Global Digital Currency -- you can only have total control of everything if eventually all countries are participating...



The preferred resolution here is voluntary servitude.

Also in recent years it is correct the Jesuits remain staunch proponents of One Currency.

Compliance, voluntary...do they have ours?

Medicine, check. Wherever you find Rockefeller medicine, there it is. Whole lot of that. Billions of guaranteed funding.

Resistance to other programs, such as NFL? Of course not. How about One Religion? It's true, you don't have to be Catholic...they will take you if you are into "anything Jesus".

Unfortunately they are not known for a high opinion of the Orthodox.

Not too long ago when I was learning about the English language, I found that "Pogrom" is a nineteenth-century Russian loan word, mainly designating events that had gone on in Ukraine since the 1600s.

Those events were the aftermath of things that had happened around France and western Europe since around the 1200s.

"Slave" is an eighth-century word, referring to a Slavic person as subject of a Frankish or Free person.

Around the same era, it may be noted that even starting in the Crusades, these may have been attempts to remove Islamic governments from power; but most of the actual destruction targeted Byzantine, that is, Orthodox sites. Over the centuries, there are multiple instances of ethnic cleansing specifically against Orthodox communities across Eastern Europe, but, I am not sure we have a word for it.

Poland just again asked for $1.3T from Germany as war reparations, including for the Bandera ones. Germany reminded them that the issue was concluded in 1953. Poland reminded them that it does not recognize the legitimacy of 1953 Poland.


If anyone wants to begin to understand the English language, here in this thread we have been told a couple valid things by non-native speakers.

Mashika says that the best way to read the news reports is that they are almost exactly backwards. Which unfortunately is true around the scenes of carnage, but, it more or less represents our language and artificial environment as a whole.

Michel Leclerc said that stuff like this violates the essence of "Symbol", something like the ability of words and actions to express ineffable truths such as love and so on. We wind up losing the ability with nothing to express.


That seems to be how we are in a two-sided civilizational conflict. The unipolarity of the Anglosphere for the most part seems to have been given a bushwhacking. What was the first response? Disruption of the Nordstreams provides a "tremendous opportunity".

Oh, and you just slip a 1T of TNT past the noses of these countries who at this very moment are bragging about their super surveillance. "Oh we can't tell you why our ship went dark there at the very moment" and stuff like that. No, what happens in the Navy stays in the Navy. I found a musical piece about a Russian guy going down the Baltic coast and then probably past Hamburg in the thirteenth century, something like Cunegonde where sometimes the adventure was pretty, but home is still home. That was kind of interesting but this is not. In the thirteenth century it rained a lot! If there was no one to kill, you would point your finger at nowhere and tell your horse to get going. What happened at Bornholm was probably not even possible until the IRA of the nineteenth century, and the pipeline was not ready yet. Plus that is too far from Ireland.

In the hands of a state, I believe it is an act of war, and it is difficult to suspect minor actors here.

I think some of the Mujahideen and various Khalqs and conscripts, maybe some Kraken or others develop some pretty dangerous methods, and I am still trying to take seriously the scenario of even a well-outfitted militia somehow doing that on the floor of the Baltic Sea.


One tends to think bomb-in-place if it is true that two hits were detected; there were not multiple shots or strays. Such precision and power could hardly be achieved by anything other than modern naval weaponry.

What is interesting about the populist accession of four Russian states is that if you don't like it, you get a month to figure out what to do other than become Russian. They apparently aren't forcing it over anyone.

I am not sure how it may affect the legal status of the conflict. Ukraine moves at the speed of about a hundred deaths per kilometer whichever way they go. Given the 1,000+ km of contact line, it is inevitable they can mash at it here and there. That of course is more stuff that can be de-militarized.

If the strike record of HIMARS is that so far it has killed an egregious number of civilians, that one probably comes under the operation "de-nazified".

Meanwhile, U. S. Command sets up a special office in Germany to deal with Ukraine. They have managed to cough up another $12B for you.


It is considered a good investment, since we have found schemes playing to the hands of Big Ag and Big Pharma. But we did not say much about Energy but isn't that where most of the Bidens' collusion comes in?


And so the son was looking for a way out of the web, and so he was easily persuaded by a prostitute to leave off the computer. But you all knew that before it happened right?

What an eerie lull about them and about everything Covid vaccine, which is probably at least tangentially related, since a few of the Chinese co-investors were also interested in the medical route. There are records about this since 2015 in Wuhan. But as we know there are strings of labs across "former Soviet states".

This is exactly the stuff that, not that long ago, people like Kissinger could just bury and everything went to plausible denial. Now it is being acted out like Dante's Inferno. Which of course is a commentary on the same thing.

If I understand correctly, in the Ukrainian area, Kievan Rus began as an original legal standard because the locals never stopped fighting and feuding. Over time, the Russian sphere migrated to St. Petersburg and Moscow, and then Ukraine has been used for cultural decimation one way or the other, over and over again. By "used", I mean frequently as a tool by someone on a quest for power.

Due to its location, it has always been international in scope.

It ought to be a western mirror of something like Tashkent or Samarkand, a major hub or nexus of the Silk Road. I am going to guess that one of the reasons it is not, is called "international conflict", and the other is the Suez Canal.

Sounds horrible. I did not know anything like this was possible. Are they the "most gullible" about western-backed programs and propaganda? Or has someone ever actually taken a bigger chunk of bait on the hook??

Last time I checked--and I didn't, because these kind of things have a way of coming up on their own--the Dollar is at an all-time low versus the Ruble, and the Pound is at an all-time low versus the Dollar.

The Hryvina is valid in the four former Ukrainian provinces until the end of the year.

A plebiscite of German, French, and maybe a few other centers of mechanized industry might find themselves having a new address in America, like the final act of Operation Paperclip.

I am still having difficulty finding where any of it particularly benefits UK interests. Neo-nazis (https://sputniknews.com/20221003/neo-nazis-plotting-to-cleanse-britain-infiltrating-military-report-finds-1101459881.html) are again revealed in the British ranks, in a way they say...oh, there have only been notices of it since the 1960s. I mean it was only since the 1930s there was the British Union of Fascists. It just always seemed that the really bright idea was that when societies crumpled like tin cans, some of the aristocrats would remain perfectly pleased.

Most of the suspicions and cui bonos I could come up with are something else. If there is something peculiarly British that is working out really well through all this, I must be missing it.

[Mike Gorman]

For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of Mariupol:

5DWbMoyIVRo

Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:


bXmFaFS1etw

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/fq1liw/very_graphic_combat_footage_from_grozny_during/

https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-grozny-before-after/26733810.html

If you remember clearly, Mariupol:was the place where the Azov Nazi battalion and hundreds of NATO operatives holed up in the Steel factory, underground, also the Ukraine forces were using citizens as human shields, Ukraine forces were shelling this town incessantly while the Russian forces trapped them and forced their surrender, this was recent history - much of this devastation was Ukrainian caused, they refused to surrender for months, but attrition finally broke them, also the Russians are now re-building this town and offering its people peace and a somewhat normal life, I don't for one second beleive the western lies about this town, it was devastated by Ukrainian stubborness and ruthless cynical exploitation of its people, perhaps you did not see the ground level reports from Patrick Lancaster.

[Mashika]

For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of mariupol:

5DWbMoyIVRo

Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:


bXmFaFS1etw

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/fq1liw/very_graphic_combat_footage_from_grozny_during/

https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-grozny-before-after/26733810.html

Oh no... lmao! "The Telegraph" is not a serious source, they are contaminated by the same bias as you are just now, they are sell outs!

Let me point it out for you as you are clearly blind to the western propaganda

See the image of the before is full of color, and then the after is almost black and white, why? It's a technique used by western media to show depressive scenarios and affect the perception of people watching the video or the images. This helps in showing how evil and bad the enemy is, how much sadness and destruction it brought that even the world looks gray and depressive

It's used on clueless people, who eat it all blindly and then go run around making fools of themselves, here's a quick explanation of what's happening on that video of Mariupol.
"The BBC "Wuhan filter" and perception manipulation for western people"
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114201-The-BBC-Wuhan-filter-and-perception-manipulation-for-western-people

And also, see how they avoided mentioning "Who" shelled the city that way, they specifically avoided saying 'after Russian shelling" and only say "the destruction left after the Russian invasion", you know why? Because they let you fill in the rest based on the bias you already have! And then avoiding directly saying "Russian shelling" prevents from being called out for lying their teeth off, also the reason why comments are disabled, they can't afford someone posting something that refutes the lies. You are being played badly and you can't realize it :)

None of this would happen if you would spend more time learning how things work, instead of looking for self-confirmation and biased videos and articles that prove your deranged hate is the "right thing to do and feel"

But no one will ever change your mind, you'll continue to look around trying to find more "evidence" that only shows how easy to manipulate you are

Why don't you post videos from the people of Mariupol talking about who shelled them and what happened before the Russian/DPR army came? There are plenty, in fact, here's a full channel dedicated to show the people from Mariupol, receiving help from Russians, there are two actually, check them out, or most likely not, as you will look away for sure

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkdiO2SwIT6q6_JEwhLhC8w/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs7_1ZUweV3f5U_jkqC_qlA/videos

"But i don't understand Russian!"

You don't need to, the key points are basic:

1. People are happy to receive help from Russian
2. They don't run away in terror, instead the come willingly to the Russians and even chat and smile and give thanks, unlike what you see described in western media about "The horrors of Russian occupation"

By the way, i'm still waiting for the videos that prove the Russian army shelled towns to the ground, real ones, not pre-fabricated ones like the Telegraph one you posted

And this has nothing to do with Chechnya, that you had to go back into that just says you don't have anything to show to help the Ukrainian case. You are just helping clean up and wash away Nazi crimes, that's basically it

And in that case, let's examine in detail all the stuff the US and allies did in up to 50 countries over the past half century. Let's start specially with this
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1267807.shtml
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Since you bring up Chechnya, i suppose you are all for justice and all that, right? So, are you going to demand explanations from the US about this crime against humanity that remains unresolved, even if we know 100% what happened and who did this?

Let the waiting-forever games continue!

ETA: Actually i'm very thankful that you posted this, thank you! It is the perfect example of western media propaganda and manipulation! This is a case study for real, because there's nothing better than a person directly influenced and manipulated by western media to come out and expose how it all works in real time, without anyone else's intervention. So in that way, thank you! Because you have exposed in plain view to thousands of people, how the propaganda and manipulation works on your side :) :muscle::muscle::handshake::handshake::sun::sun:

[shaberon]

Ahh, in the US we call Mortars something much smaller and very different



On this one, Mortar (http://npshistory.com/series/interpretive/3/is3c6.htm) is the historical term for a large-bore fixed piece since the 1600s:


...even in the sixteenth century missiles weighing 100 or more pounds were not uncommon, and the 13-inch mortar of 1860 fired a 200-pound shell. The larger projectiles had to be whipped up to the muzzle with block and tackle.


1788 5" Spanish bronze:

http://npshistory.com/series/interpretive/3/images/is337.jpg



They were so "fixed" that some English ones were just locked at forty-five degrees.

The aspect of mobile artillery is what enabled the Swedish Empire to rapidly ascend to field domination and then rest in her--until now maybe--Strength through Neutrality.

"Mortar" probably did not mean anything smaller than 5" until the twentieth century.


However, today's weapon du jour (https://sputniknews.com/20221003/live-updates-russias-state-duma-to-consider-laws-on-entry-of-dpr-lpr-zaporozhye-and-kherson-1101449474.html) is like this:


STAROBILSK, LPR (Sputnik) - Ukrainian troops started using a new type of missiles for the US multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) HIMARS during the shelling of the Lugansk people’s republic (LPR), the LPR representative office in the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the ceasefire regime (JCCC) said in a statement on Monday.

"They haven't used missiles of this type before. This is the second settlement where they have worked out this type of missiles. This missile, the M30, is fired from the M142 HIMARS installation. Prior to that, the LPR representative office in the JCCC recently recorded the use of missiles of this type in the city of Brianka, and today we are seeing the same picture in the city of Starobilsk," an officer of the JCCC Aleksey Getmansky said.

Getmansky clarified that the new type of missiles is distinguished by the shrapnel form of the striking elements. Shrapnel shell consists of small diameter balls made of tungsten. This type of missile is designed to destroy "enemy manpower", but since the missile hit the center of the city with no military facilities, it means that civilians were the target, according to the officer.

Earlier in the day, the LPR representative office in the JCCC reported that at 01:40 a.m. Moscow time (22:40 GMT), Ukrainian troops struck Starobilsk from the US MLRS M142 HIMARS, during which a kindergarten, three residential buildings and a local stadium were damaged.

The high mobility artillery rocket system M142 (HIMARS) was developed in the US by the UK BAE Systems and the US Lockheed Martin defense contractors in the late 1990s, and has been produced since 2003. It is based on a three-axle wheeled chassis of the US army's family of medium tactical vehicles truck, and is capable of launching six rockets or one ATACMS surface-to-surface tactical ballistic missile. The effective firing range of certain types of projectiles is up to 80 kilometers (50 miles).

[Mashika]

For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of Mariupol:

5DWbMoyIVRo

Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:


bXmFaFS1etw

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/fq1liw/very_graphic_combat_footage_from_grozny_during/

https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-grozny-before-after/26733810.html

If you remember clearly, Mariupol:was the place where the Azov Nazi battalion and hundreds of NATO operatives holed up in the Steel factory, underground, also the Ukraine forces were using citizens as human shields, Ukraine forces were shelling this town incessantly while the Russian forces trapped them and forced their surrender, this was recent history - much of this devastation was Ukrainian caused, they refused to surrender for months, but attrition finally broke them, also the Russians are now re-building this town and offering its people peace and a somewhat normal life, I don't for one second beleive the western lies about this town, it was devastated by Ukrainian stubborness and ruthless cynical exploitation of its people, perhaps you did not see the ground level reports from Patrick Lancaster.

The contrast between reality and the media propaganda is amazing, this one for example, on this video, you can see the old buildings that were shelled on the background, and then in the front you see the new ones built by Russia after liberating Mariupol from the Azov

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And then this vicious malign "news report', which doesn't reflect reality at all, it a pure, hate filled lie

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Justplain did not found the video that shows the new buildings in Mariupol, sadly

[Helvetic]

Caitlin Johnstone | It's Only A 'Conspiracy Theory' When It Accuses The US Government | Oct. 4, 2022

Source: Caitlin Johnstone youtube (https://www.youtube.com/c/CaitlinJohnstone)

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The western political/media class has been dismissing as "conspiracy theories" all claims that the US is likely responsible for last month's sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, even while leveling the exact same accusations against Russia without ever using that term. Which probably says a lot about the way that label has been used over the years, if you think about it.

Reading by Tim Foley.

Article with links (https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/its-only-a-conspiracy-theory-when)

[Bill Ryan]

Elon Musk may be very smart and all that, but he clearly is very ill informed about what's going on in Donbass since 9 years agoAgreed. :) He's very smart, but being smart doesn't mean being truly intelligent. He's one of those very high IQ people, bolstered by his own success, who thinks he knows and understands everything around him. But he doesn't.

~~~

Here's a new video from The Duran, now 16 hours old. (16 hours is a long time in the world these days!) Alexander Mercouris (who doesn't need Alex Christoforou at all, Alex being too wordy and clumsy and takes a huge amount of time to say very little) lays out the very interesting and important pivot point that Russia, and Putin too, are now balancing on.

The big question is what happens next. Mercouris accurately points to the growing impatience and frustration in Russia (including from major figured such as Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, widely respected and who is becoming vocal and critical).

Even the meticulous and protracted legal procedure to formally integrate the 4 regions into the RF is seeming like it's taking too long for those who are aware that people (e.g.) in Donbass, very very nearly now Russian citizens, are being killed every day. Many are saying: Send in the strategic bombers, FFS. Not this weekend, not tomorrow, but now.

@Masha, I'd love to hear your view on this. Even with no audio, the video can be played at 2x speed reading the English captions like a text article. And you may only need a few minutes to get the general idea

:highfive:

SMO coming to an end, conflict paradigm shift. Lavrov, Russian diplomacy success


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLN155b9vx8

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the video on YouTube: :thumbsup:
(dated 23 March 2022, a month after Russia's SMO began)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2y4kJQ7qho


originally posted by Viking here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119656-How-Was-This-Woman-Allowed-To-Tell-The-Truth-On-Mainstream-Television)

[Gwin Ru]

Elon Musk may be very smart and all that, but he clearly is very ill informed about what's going on in Donbass since 9 years agoAgreed. :) He's very smart, but being smart doesn't mean being truly intelligent. He's one of those very high IQ people, bolstered by his own success, who thinks he knows and understands everything around him. But he doesn't.
[...]...

... maybe there is a direct angle which, I think, needs to be addressed about Musk... just look at how Biden is "portrayed" everywhere... yep, that's a "portrait" designed for everyone to see and - then - one needs to get one's hands on the producers of the show, the art directors, the casting director, the music and script directors, the set designers and the overall director... see?

All-in-all, the whole credit list needs to be scoured since "they" are putting out that snuff film of their theatres of the global war... all compartmentalized into "scenes"?

[Bill Ryan]

I don't know if this is true or not (it most definitely needs confirmation), but it seemed interesting enough to report here.

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28256

DonbassDevushka/28256

[Bill Ryan]

Tucker Carlson, immense kudos to him, continues to tell it how it is, one of the very few well-known people featuring in US media who does so. (The others that come to mind are Joe Rogan — if he indeed counts in this category — and Tulsi Gabbard.)

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28273

DonbassDevushka/28273

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1577311499403624448
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https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/status/1577308178760572933
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Sanction the 133 international observers

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1577206889984638976
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[Ravenlocke]

Ukraine central bank governor resigns in a Facebook post.

https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1577332862076043266
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https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1577341523477381121
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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564034-peskov-putin-zelensky-talks/

Kremlin reacts to Zelensky banning talks with Putin

To resume peace talks with Kiev, Moscow will wait for either a change of stance by the current Ukrainian president or for a new leader, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said. This comes after President Zelensky signed a decree ruling out negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Even before the launch of Russia’s military operation in Ukraine in late February, Moscow “was the supporter of the idea of achieving the terms put forward by the Russian side through diplomatic means,” Peskov told journalists on Tuesday.

Russia is still ready to look for a negotiated solution to the conflict between the neighbors, according to the spokesman. But “it takes two parties to negotiate,” he noted.

“We’ll now be waiting for the current president to change his stance or for the arrival of the future president of Ukraine, who would change his position in the interests of the Ukrainian people,” Peskov said.

On Tuesday, Zelensky signed a decree on Ukraine officially rejecting peace talks with Putin. It rubber stamped decisions made by Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, on Friday, just hours after Putin signed agreements on Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics and Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions joining Russia.

Zelensky pledges never to talk to Putin
Zelensky pledges never to talk to Putin
One of the resolutions was: “stating the impossibility of conducting negotiations with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin.”

Zelensky recorded a video address after the meeting claiming that “we [Ukraine] are ready for dialogue with Russia, but with another president of Russia.”

In his speech on Friday, Putin called upon Ukraine to “cease all hostilities, stop the war it started back in 2014 and return to the negotiating table.”

However, he made it clear that the decision to unite with Russia, which the people of Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions made during referendums, was not up for discussion. Kiev should treat the “free choice” of the four territories “with respect,” Putin said, adding that it was “the only way for peace.”

Moscow and Kiev have not sat down at the negotiating table since talks in Istanbul finished in late March. The Russian side, which initially expressed optimism on the peace process, later accused Ukraine of backtracking on all the progress achieved in Türkiye, saying it had lost trust in Kiev’s negotiators.

In recent months, Ukraine has been either putting forward terms that Moscow deemed ‘unrealistic’ for the resumption of talks, or said that they can only begin after Russia is defeated on the battlefield.

READ MORE: Putin calls on Ukraine to return to negotiations
Since the conflict began Zelensky has on several occasions proposed meeting with Putin face-to-face, in order to find a way to end hostilities. But Moscow insisted that the two leaders should only get together to sign concrete agreements already prepared for them by the negotiating teams.

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https://www.rt.com/business/563964-new-regions-russia-economy/


Ports, mines, agriculture: What can new regions give Russia’s economy?


On Monday, Russia's State Duma ratified the treaties on the accession of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, to the Russian Federation. The territories overwhelmingly voted to join the country in referendums in September.

Economists say the restoration of the conflict-ravaged territories will take huge investment, noting, however, that the returns may be even greater. RT looks at the economic cost as well as the benefits of integrating the territories into Russia.

What are the new regions?
The total area of Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye is almost 109,000 square kilometers (42,085 square miles,) or over 15% of Ukraine’s former total area. More than eight million people previously lived in the territories, which have more than 5.6 million hectares of arable land. Moscow has yet to determine the future borders of Kherson and Zaporozhye, parts of which are still controlled by Ukrainian troops.
What are the drivers of the Donbass economy?
Donbass with its coal-based economy was Ukraine's industrial heartland. The DPR accounted for 20% of the country’s industrial production as far as 2014. The mineral-rich region has the fourth-largest coal field in Europe, with its extractable reserves estimated at over 10 billion tons. As of February, 115 coal mines were operating in Donbass, producing around 70 million tons of raw material per year. Eight power plants are also located in the Donetsk region.

The LPR is an important transport hub and is known for its metallurgy, machinery and agricultural industries. It also has chemical and pharmaceutical plants and several coal mines. A number of important transit highways pass through the republic. Authorities in LPR say its agricultural potential is great, with a focus on the cultivation of grain.
Why is Zaporozhye important?
Zaporozhye Region was the center of energy supply in Ukraine, with its three powerful energy producers: the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, the Dnepr Hydroelectric Station and the Botievo wind farm. In 2019–2020, Zaporozhye produced about 40 billion kWh of electricity per year, which is approximately 25–27% of the entire energy sector in Ukraine. The region has a number of large industrial and mechanical engineering facilities, including the Zaporozhye Automobile Building Plant (ZAZ) with an output of 150,000 vehicles a year. The Dnieper River, the Kakhovka Reservoir and the Sea of Azov play a significant role in Zaporozhye’s economy, which also has great potential for industrial fish farming.
What’s the significance of Kherson?
Kherson Region specializes in shipbuilding and is known for its resorts and agriculture. It had the largest territory of arable land in Ukraine, at almost 20,000 square kilometers. The region produces cereals, sunflowers and vegetables. The fertile land allows two or sometimes even three harvests a season. Other traditional industries there are cattle breeding and winemaking. There are plans to develop a resort and tourist cluster on the territory, which has access to both the Azov and Black Sea.

What challenges does Russia face?
Russia obtained land with incredible agricultural and industrial potential, but with highly degraded infrastructure, due to a lack of investment from Kiev over the past 30 years. The government’s primary concern is to integrate those territories and help them overcome the economic development gap, and to recover from the destruction inflicted by the conflict. Initially, Moscow will finance the budgets of the four regions. In the future as integration deepens and the economy is restarted, the volume of transfers from the federal budget will decrease, experts say.

How could Donbass, Zaporozhye, and Kherson contribute to the Russian economy?
The territories have an extremely advantageous geographical location. They offer vast opportunities due to the presence of ports and maritime routes with the south of Russia. Access to the key port of Mariupol in the Azov Sea means a potential increase of coal and other supplies to Africa and South Asian countries. The regions can contribute to both ensuring the nation’s food security and to increased export supplies to ‘friendly’ states. Experts estimate the potential contribution to the Russian economy could be worth trillions of rubles or even more.

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[Justplain]

For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of mariupol:

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Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:


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https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/fq1liw/very_graphic_combat_footage_from_grozny_during/

https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-grozny-before-after/26733810.html

Oh no... lmao! "The Telegraph" is not a serious source, they are contaminated by the same bias as you are just now, they are sell outs!

Let me point it out for you as you are clearly blind to the western propaganda

See the image of the before is full of color, and then the after is almost black and white, why? It's a technique used by western media to show depressive scenarios and affect the perception of people watching the video or the images. This helps in showing how evil and bad the enemy is, how much sadness and destruction it brought that even the world looks gray and depressive

It's used on clueless people, who eat it all blindly and then go run around making fools of themselves, here's a quick explanation of what's happening on that video of Mariupol.
"The BBC "Wuhan filter" and perception manipulation for western people"
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114201-The-BBC-Wuhan-filter-and-perception-manipulation-for-western-people

And also, see how they avoided mentioning "Who" shelled the city that way, they specifically avoided saying 'after Russian shelling" and only say "the destruction left after the Russian invasion", you know why? Because they let you fill in the rest based on the bias you already have! And then avoiding directly saying "Russian shelling" prevents from being called out for lying their teeth off, also the reason why comments are disabled, they can't afford someone posting something that refutes the lies. You are being played badly and you can't realize it :)

None of this would happen if you would spend more time learning how things work, instead of looking for self-confirmation and biased videos and articles that prove your deranged hate is the "right thing to do and feel"

But no one will ever change your mind, you'll continue to look around trying to find more "evidence" that only shows how easy to manipulate you are

Why don't you post videos from the people of Mariupol talking about who shelled them and what happened before the Russian/DPR army came? There are plenty, in fact, here's a full channel dedicated to show the people from Mariupol, receiving help from Russians, there are two actually, check them out, or most likely not, as you will look away for sure

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkdiO2SwIT6q6_JEwhLhC8w/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs7_1ZUweV3f5U_jkqC_qlA/videos

"But i don't understand Russian!"

You don't need to, the key points are basic:

1. People are happy to receive help from Russian
2. They don't run away in terror, instead the come willingly to the Russians and even chat and smile and give thanks, unlike what you see described in western media about "The horrors of Russian occupation"

By the way, i'm still waiting for the videos that prove the Russian army shelled towns to the ground, real ones, not pre-fabricated ones like the Telegraph one you posted

And this has nothing to do with Chechnya, that you had to go back into that just says you don't have anything to show to help the Ukrainian case. You are just helping clean up and wash away Nazi crimes, that's basically it

And in that case, let's examine in detail all the stuff the US and allies did in up to 50 countries over the past half century. Let's start specially with this
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1267807.shtml
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Since you bring up Chechnya, i suppose you are all for justice and all that, right? So, are you going to demand explanations from the US about this crime against humanity that remains unresolved, even if we know 100% what happened and who did this?

Let the waiting-forever games continue!

ETA: Actually i'm very thankful that you posted this, thank you! It is the perfect example of western media propaganda and manipulation! This is a case study for real, because there's nothing better than a person directly influenced and manipulated by western media to come out and expose how it all works in real time, without anyone else's intervention. So in that way, thank you! Because you have exposed in plain view to thousands of people, how the propaganda and manipulation works on your side :) :muscle::muscle::handshake::handshake::sun::sun:

I'm not anti-Russian, my wife and stepson are Russian. When I was in Russia between 2003-8 it was a pleasant place to visit, I was treated well. Back then, the regular people knew Putin was a thug, a KGB graduate who is of the Soviet imperialist mindset. All of the legitimate political opponents either ended up in exile, jail or conveniently died.

You like to discount the chechyan campaign, and deflect criticism by pointing at whatever atrocities the USA did. We are talking about the Ukraine invasion here, not USA stuff. The chechyan campaign is integral to this discussion because that campaign used the same militaery techniques as what Russia is trying to employ in Ukraine: flatten the opposition with artillery. So, don't try to say that Ukrainians self inflicted all these communities with artillery, that's just horse manure.

You koolaid drinkers are NOT giving this conflict an objective view. You're painting Russia as saviour, which is completely false. Sure, Ukraine has plenty of guilt here, but so does Russia.

I absolutely abhor violence. I absolutely detest the use of force to obtain anything. I'm of the hippie peace love dove mindset. This 'military operation's 'noble' goals could have been achieved through much more peaceful and constructive means. I am sure of this. Any other excuses you make up to justify this repulsive situation is half backed horse manure from an fsb psyop lab.

[Ravenlocke]

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https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/23/ukrainian-army-war-crimes-include-shelling-of-ambulences-firetrucks-and-rescue-workers-in-the-donbass-republics-similar-to-israelis-and-u-s-backed-terrorists-in-syria/

Ukrainian Army War Crimes Include Shelling of Ambulences, Firetrucks, and Rescue Workers in the Donbass Republics—Similar to Israelis and U.S. Backed Terrorists in Syria

Local residents describe the perpetrators of these crimes—who have received lavish U.S. funding—as “shameless,” “scumbags” and “terrorists.”

Heroic rescue workers in Donbas should be accorded rights under international law to help people without being targeted



In the more than eight years of bombing the civilians of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, Ukraine has committed untold numbers of war crimes. These include bombing residential areas, markets, hospitals, schools, parks—including with prohibited heavy weapons and banned cluster munitions—and, since late July, raining banned “Petal” mines down on populated civilian areas, including the very center of Donetsk, including as recently as September 7.

A lesser-known war crime is Ukraine’s routine targeting of ambulances, fire trucks, medics and rescuers, and their headquarters and stations. Many of the times Ukraine bombs such heroic rescuers, it is when they are on the way, or already on site, to help civilians often themselves just bombed by Ukraine.

On August 21, Ukrainian shelling of the DPR’s Gorlovka wounded twelve, including five firefighters.

The day prior, Ukrainian shelling targeted an ambulance station in the LPR’s Lysychansk, wounding several and damaging some of the ambulances.

On June 23, the Kievskiy District of Donetsk came under repeated shelling over the course of the two hours I was visiting the Emergency Services headquarters there. On the grounds, I saw the remnants of a “Hurricane” missile from a previous Ukrainian attack.

See https://twitter.com/EvaKBartlett/status/1539930967195783170
The previous day, Ukrainian forces targeted an Emergency Services fire truck on call, leaving the driver hospitalized in critical condition. According to his colleagues, they saw a drone above them just prior to Ukraine’s strike. The targeting was unquestionably deliberate.

On June 18, Ukraine targeted a central Donetsk district after Emergency Services had arrived, killing a firefighter and the driver, and injuring three more rescuers.

In early June, heavy Ukrainian shelling of Kuibyshevsky District, Donetsk, destroyed an ambulance and seriously injured the driver.

Donetsk ambulance destroyed by Ukrainian shelling while out on a call. [Source: Photo courtesy of Eva Bartlett]
Ukraine’s attacks on emergency workers is not new; Ukraine has been doing so for years.

In June 2021, during a humanitarian cease-fire, Ukrainian forces targeted an ambulance which had arrived to evacuate three injured DPR soldiers.

In October 2019, Ukrainian forces fired an anti-tank guided missile at a DPR military ambulance en route to help a child, wounding the driver and a paramedic.

In August 2018, Ukrainian forces fired a missile at a DPR ambulance, killing the driver and two female paramedics.

When I first visited the DPR in September 2019, going to hard-hit areas around Gorlovka, I was told by Zaitsevo administration that ambulances could not reach the villagers.

“The paramedics don’t go farther than this building; it’s too dangerous. If somebody needs medical care near the front lines, someone has to go in their own car and take them to a point where medics can then take them to Gorlovka. The soldiers also help civilians who are injured.”

This is something I was very familiar with in Gaza, occupied Palestine, where Israeli soldiers routinely fire at Palestinian farmers and other laborers on agricultural land, a policy of harassment to drive Palestinians off their land. In most cases, ambulances likewise could not reach the injured due to Israel’s policy of targeting ambulances. Consequently, seriously injured Palestinians bleed to death.

In Zaitsevo, I was told this had happened there, too. “A woman died due to huge blood loss because no one could reach her house to take her away in time. She was injured in the shelling and bled to death.”

The rest of the article here,
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/23/ukrainian-army-war-crimes-include-shelling-of-ambulences-firetrucks-and-rescue-workers-in-the-donbass-republics-similar-to-israelis-and-u-s-backed-terrorists-in-syria/





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This may not be very well known, but it is a Russian phenomenon, it is known as "Light Pillars" and it happens in several parts of Russia at this time of year, it may be a "Russian-only" thing so it is confusing or weird for other people to see

"Magical ‘light pillar’ phenomenon spotted across Russian skies"
https://www.rt.com/news/375419-light-pillar-russia-sky/

Here's one in Syberia from 2020
https://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/impressive-light-pillars-recorded-over-the-city-of-tyumen-in-western-siberia/
https://siberiantimes.com/upload/information_system_52/7/9/3/item_7931/information_items_7931.jpg

Run an image search on youtube for "russian light pillars" and there are lots of examples of it over the years

[TargeT]

FYI, I was pretty interested on your take re: this question:


Did you just do the 2 years, what was your take on the moral / effort exerted from the mandatory service soldiers?

I suppose it's not a very well stated question with out a contextual reference (all volunteer vrs forced etc..)

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[Johnnycomelately]

I think you are also not giving this an objective view. You have not acknowledged the Russians’ motive involving the growing threat to their existence as they are. Do you history?




You koolaid drinkers are NOT giving this conflict an objective view. You're painting Russia as saviour, which is completely false. Sure, Ukraine has plenty of guilt here, but so does Russia.

I absolutely abhor violence. I absolutely detest the use of force to obtain anything. I'm of the hippie peace love dove mindset. This 'military operation's 'noble' goals could have been achieved through much more peaceful and constructive means. I am sure of this. Any other excuses you make up to justify this repulsive situation is half backed horse manure from an fsb psyop lab.

[Tintin]

This I think may be another Yovan and Lexus prank (?). It isn't subtitled in English so I'll have to roll with what I assume is a reliable translation or summary text instead:

Source: https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1577605163141009412

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The Ukrainian Human Rights Government official admitting the stories are systematically fabricated.

Just imagine if it was the Russian counterpart, by now I’d have:

- 50 thousand likes

- two CNN articles

- trending on Twitter

Former Ukrainian Human Rights ombudsman, thinking she’s talking to the ex-US ambassador to Ukraine, admits:

- SBU made her spin fakes about the Russian Army

- her fictional stories about Russian atrocities helped secure speeches at European parliaments and arms supplies

- she’s dissatisfied with the current Ukrainian Human Rights ombudsman because he refused to disseminate a fictitious story about a prison at the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant.

This video alone discredits every single Ukrainian report that’s not backed by contextual evidence.

[Tintin]

Another example of the deeply racist mindset of the Ukrainian administration, not just today, but, as we all do now know, historically too.

This, from 2014 although a month would be helpful as well.

Source: https://twitter.com/thghtcrme/status/1577581154416623623

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https://avalonlibrary.net/Ukraine/Telephone_call_between_Nestor_Shufrych_%2B_Yulia_Tymoshenko_8_million_ethnic-Russians_in_Donbass_should_be_exterminated_using_nuclear_weapons_%282014%29.mp4

[Bill Ryan]

Another useful map. (Though everyone reading this will surely be very familiar by now!)

Jackson Hinkle will be in Washington in a few days' time for a conference. Yesterday he told his followers he's also going to politely approach members of the US Congress and ask them to please point to Donbass on a map of Europe and Asia. He'll post the videos he records.

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[Tintin]

...and the Oscar goes to.....

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A quick anecdote: many years ago the boyfriend (and an acquaintance of mine) of my then landlady told that while he was in the Balkans in 1999 on a contract job he happened to be staying in the same hotel as Kate Adie, a well known BBC British reporter at the time, who was recording a broadcast 'live, in the thick of the action'. This hotel was many dozens of miles away from the actual area of battle :facepalm:

[Bill Ryan]

This may be valuable for Justplain to see. :heart:

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28418

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https://tass.com/politics/1518241


Putin signs decree to give mobilization deferments to some groups of people

It is noted that a deferment also is granted to students of educational and research organizations on post-graduate programs for scientific and scientific-pedagogical professionals
MOSCOW, October 5. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday said he had signed a decree to grant deferments from the partial military mobilization for some additional groups of people, including students that study on campus or have a mixed on-campus and off-campus schedule.

"Educational and research institutions that have government accreditation, programs of high and higher education, including internship programs and probation assistantship programs. When I say ‘have government accreditation’ that includes private educational institutions," the president said as he met with the finalists of the nationwide Teacher of the Year contest via video link.

A deferment also is granted to students of "educational and research organizations on post-graduate programs for scientific and scientific-pedagogical professionals, organizations engaged in educational activities under educational programs of secondary vocational and higher education, including post-graduate programs for scientific and scientific-pedagogical professionals, internship programs and probation assistantship programs located in the territories of innovative scientific and technological centers and institutions of spiritual education," Putin said.


https://tass.com/politics/1518239

Kadyrov announces promotion to Colonel General


Vladimir Putin also relayed congratulations with the Day of the city of Grozny, Teacher’s Day and the Day of the Chechen Youth
GROZNY, October 5. /TASS/. Head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov announced that Russian President Vladimir Putin has promoted him to the rank of Colonel General.

"I would like to share one more pleasant piece of news with you. The President of Russia awarded me with the rank of Colonel General. The decree number is 709. Vladimir Vladimirovich informed me and congratulated me personally," Kadyrov said on his Telegram channel Wednesday.

Putin also relayed congratulations with the Day of the city of Grozny, Teacher’s Day and the Day of the Chechen Youth.

"The head of state called me and asked to wish all the people of Chechnya welfare, luck and success in his name! Despite his workload, the commander-in-chief never forgets about important dates in our region," Kadyrov said.

The head of Chechnya noted that there will be no entertainment events due to the special military operation. Artists and art collectives will perform spiritual and patriotic songs, will praise heroes and will tell about feats of the defenders of the Homeland.

In late March of this year, Kadyrov was awarded with the rank of Lieutenant General. On April 7, Commander of the Russian National Guard North Caucasus District Sergey Zakharov presented Kadyrov with the presidential decree and his shoulder straps.

[Ravenlocke]

https://tass.com/politics/1518247

Russia retaliates by expelling Lithuanian Charge d'Affaires — Foreign Ministry

It was stressed that, depending on other unfriendly steps taken by Vilnius, Moscow reserves the right to take "additional measures of influence"
MOSCOW, October 5. /TASS/. Russia is expelling Lithuanian Charge d'Affaires Virginia Umbrasene in retailation, the diplomat has been ordered to leave the Russian territory within five days, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry’s statement issued on Wednesday.

"On October 5, a representative of the Lithuanian Embassy was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry. She was handed a note informing that in response to the unjustified explulsion of the Russian charge d'affaires in the Lithuanian Republic [Sergey Ryabokon], the Lithuanian charge d'affaires in Russia, Virginia Umbrasene, is declared persona non grata. She is ordered to leave the territory of our country within five days," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

In addition, Russia, given the hostile policy of Lithuania aimed at the collapse of humanitarian relations, freezes the activities of the cultural center of the Lithuanian diplomatic mission in Moscow: the House of Baltrusaitis.

The Russian Foreign Ministry stressed that, depending on other unfriendly steps taken by Vilnius, Moscow reserves the right to take "additional measures of influence."

On Monday, the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry reported that Sergey Ryabokon, Russian Charge d'Affaires in Lithuania, was declared persona non grata. As the Foreign Ministry noted, this decision was taken in the light of the information received by the authorities, who concluded that the recent activities and statements of the Charge d'Affaires allegedly "are incompatible with his diplomatic status and are treated as interference in the affairs of the receiving party," that is, Lithuania. The diplomat was ordered to leave the country within five days.

[Ravenlocke]

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[norman]

Noises off, or does this fit into the picture too ?

This event, it is stated by Armenian expert Alex Thomson, took place INSIDE Armenia.

Armenian Defense Ministry Press Secretary Aram Torosyan says Video circulating social media, alleging to show Azerbaijani soldiers committing war crimes by EXECUTING Armenian POWs is AUTHENTIC, but it is still impossible to establish the incident's time and place.

UPDATE: Armenia will use all international means to seek investigation into video showing execution of Armenian POWs - Armenian PM Pashinyan

https://www.brighteon.com/29869365-20dd-477d-87b7-da566373e61a

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[Chester]

One caution for discerning members -

Some members who post may be either

a.) so fearful that they do not allow their conscious mind to ever consider any viewpoint (or stance) outside of the one they have to believe in (which is associated with the governance of the land they feel safe in living),

b.) they are significantly ideologically driven that if "the sociopolitical side" they believe emulates their core ideology tells them "who is the good guys and who is the bad guys," they will throw out their own capacity to think for themselves, abandon their own internal ethics (if they had any of significance), open to the cognitive dissonance and then root for who they are told are "the good guys" no matter how atrocious this "good guy" side's actions achieve.

c.) they are so void of any connectivity to their own conscience that they have crossed the line long ago in relation to their own corruption and thus would be completely willing and able to consciously act for "their side" in some form or another where they are also paid and/or receive some other perceived benefits for their actions - a paid disinfo agent is an example of this.

I would add d.) as a representation of a combination of two or even all three of the above.

I highly recommend discerning folks consider the ignore list when some of this ilk posts in this thread (and any other threads of this level of relevance). To respond in any way to someone as lost as the types I described above is to "feed the monster" and waste your time.

All the above is just my opinion and the advice I am taking (and offer to others).

[Kryztian]

One caution for discerning members -
Some members who post may be either

a.) so fearful that they do not allow their conscious mind to ever consider any viewpoint (or stance) outside of the one they have to believe in (which is associated with the governance of the land they feel safe in living),


I don't this we can know for sure what is the psychological drive behind other people's posts that are contrarian to our own beliefs. We do have a war going on, and yes, fear can be a motivator, no matter which side of the fence you are on.

This is certainly one of the busiest threads on Avalon right now if not the busiest. One complaint about it is that it is just a list of video links, tweets and articles from new outlets, all media from outside of Avalon. What are the original thoughts of the members here and how do they justify them?. I think there is plenty of space for both links to outside information and also for thoughtful the opinions of our own members, and the latter is driven by contrasting views.

Contrarian opinions offer us: (1) the possibility to teach us something we were wrong about, or, (2) a challenge that will force us to think about what we know is right and find a way to express that truth with more clarity in a way that is more comprehensible to people with whom we disagree.

And a word of the advice to the contrarians here too: you might need to delve a little deeper into the minds of the people you disagree with here. Ask yourself: why do the people you disagree with see the world the way they do? There is a lot of information here - you might need to read it a little more closely and focus on that in your rebuttals instead of just characterizing the people you disagree with.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1577682970650910721
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[Ravenlocke]

No further info available yet.

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1577665987079507969
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https://www.rt.com/business/564126-turkiye-receives-donbass-coal/

Türkiye is importing Donbass coal – DPR premier

Coal mined in the mineral-rich Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) is being exported to Türkiye, from where it goes to countries in the Middle East and Africa, DPR’s Prime Minister Vitaly Khotsenko told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

In an interview he explained that the coal is being exported to traditional markets where coal is in demand. According to Khotsenko, the coal extracted in the region is of high quality and, accordingly, is in demand in many countries.

The mineral-rich DPR has the fourth-largest coal field in Europe, with its extractable reserves estimated at over ten billion tons. As of February, 115 coal mines were operating in Donbass, producing around 70 million tons of raw material per year.

READ MORE: Ports, mines, agriculture: What can new regions give Russia’s economy?
On Wednesday morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed into law four unification treaties with the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as well as with Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, which overwhelmingly voted to join Russia in referendums in September.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1577716308623384576
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https://www.rt.com/russia/564127-russian-mp-defense-ministry-truth/

Top Russian MP blasts Defense Ministry over Ukraine

Russians should receive more information about what is actually happening at the frontlines of Moscow’s military operation in Ukraine, insists Andrey Kartapolov, Chairman of the State Duma (lower house of parliament) Defense Committee.

Speaking on Soloviev Live on Wednesday, the Colonel General said the Russian Ministry of Defense should stop hiding information from citizens and be more truthful in its reports.

“No more lies. We’ve talked about this before. [RT Editor-in-Chief] Margarita Simonyan has spoken about this in length but, apparently, this has not reached the ears of some individual leaders,” Kartapolov said, noting how reports from the Soviet Information Bureau during the early months of the Nazi invasion of the USSR in 1941 provided more information than what is being said in Russia’s Ministry of Defense reports today.

“In every report they said that somewhere we are retreating, somewhere we are stubbornly repelling the attacks of a superior enemy, somewhere we have left settlements,” the politician said, stressing that when people read the Soviet reports, they gained an understanding that the situation was difficult and that the country was in danger.

Russian forces withdraw from key Donbass town READ MORE: Russian forces withdraw from key Donbass town
Kartapolov said that Russia is also in danger today and that the enemy is already on Russian land, referring to Belgorod Region, where, he claims, nearly all villages bordering Ukraine have been destroyed, while the city of Valuiki is under constant fire from Kiev’s forces.

The chairman lamented the fact that none of this information is being reported by official sources and people learn about these things from governors, telegram channels and military correspondents.

“The reports from the Ministry of Defense practically do not change their content,” Kartapolov noted, warning that Russians “are not stupid” and can see that they are not being allowed to learn even a portion of the actual truth.

“This can lead to a loss of credibility,” the deputy warned.

While the Russian Defense Ministry releases daily updates on its Telegram channel, reporting on the number of enemy combatants or equipment destroyed, it rarely indicates how many Russian service personnel are killed or injured, or how much military equipment is lost in the fighting.

The last time Moscow officially announced its losses was on September 21, when Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu stated that the Russian military had lost some 6,000 fighters since hostilities broke out in late February. According to the Ukrainian side, about 55,000 Russian soldiers have been killed.

[Bill Ryan]

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28433

DonbassDevushka/28433

[Bob_2011]

Uncovered: Box of gold teeth ‘pulled from Ukrainians’ at Russian torture chamber

What was the excuse for the Russians invading, Oh yea to de-Nazify Ukraine, hmm what does this (if its true) remind you of , yep !

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-uncovers-box-gold-teeth-090645157.html

[Fellow Aspirant]

It seems that the reinforcement of the Russian front lines is not going as smoothly as Mr. Putin had hoped, if these new reports have any merit:

source:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vladimir-putins-dueling-foot-soldiers-in-ukraine-are-now-apparently-killing-each-other-off?ref=home

Putin’s Dueling Foot Soldiers Are Now Apparently Killing Each Other Off

Amid very public infighting between Russian groups, the Kremlin is reportedly trying to keep a lid on a Wagner mercenary shooting dead a lieutenant-colonel.

Allison Quinn

Updated Oct. 05, 2022 12:44PM ET / Published Oct. 05, 2022 12:42PM ET 
AFP via Getty

While Ukraine’s military has been successfully chasing Russian troops out of one territory after another, Vladimir Putin’s foot soldiers have apparently been turning their weapons on each other as the Russian leader’s “special military operation” continues to come apart at the seams in spectacular fashion.

The Kremlin’s flailing bid to get an edge on the battlefield by deploying mercenaries from the Wagner Group—which now includes hundreds of prison inmates—has reportedly backfired as the private military force butts heads with the Russian military.

The growing conflict resulted in a Wagner fighter gunning down a lieutenant colonel in the Russian army—a deadly episode of “friendly fire” that the Kremlin is said to be trying to sweep under the rug, according to the human rights group Gulagu.net.

“They are trying to hush up the incident and prevent publicity. And this is not the first emergency of its kind,” the group quoted a source as telling the Gulagu.net hotline.

The incident was also reported by two other Russian Telegram channels, though no details were provided on when or where the shooting is said to have taken place.

Dan Ladden-Hall

The alleged shooting is not the only recent instance of infighting between Russian troops.
Earlier this week, a mass brawl broke out between newly drafted Russian troops and contract soldiers at a military base outside Moscow, Baza reported. Nearly two dozen contract soldiers are said to have taken a beating from the draftees and were rescued after locking themselves in a separate room and phoning police for help. The fight reportedly erupted after some of the contract soldiers demanded the newly arrived draftees hand over their mobile phones and gear.

The tumult seen between the troops has also visibly carried over to Russia’s wider information space, with pro-Kremlin military bloggers getting increasingly outspoken in their criticisms of top military command and Putin’s more radical allies publicly deriding those in charge of the war.

“The controversies surrounding the poorly executed partial mobilization, coupled with significant Russian defeats in Kharkiv Oblast and around Lyman, have intensified infighting between pro-Putin Russian nationalist factions and are creating new fractures among voices who speak to Putin’s core constituencies,” the Institute for the Study of War wrote in its Tuesday assessment.

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, one of the most vocal critics of the Russian Defense Ministry’s approach in recent days, announced Wednesday that “kind and beloved” Putin “personally” notified him he was being promoted to the rank of colonel general, a move that may be seen by some as a signal the Russian president is siding with hardliners like Kadyrov over his own defense officials.

Yevgeny Prigozhin, the puppetmaster behind the Wagner Group, has also emerged with that camp, echoing Kadyrov’s complaints about the Russian military after a humiliating retreat from Lyman over the weekend.

Sources close to the Kremlin told Meduza the Russian leader is reluctant to chastise them for ****-talking the military command because he considers both the Wagner mercenaries and Chechen battalions “effective” in the war.

Shannon

“Putin now finds himself in a dilemma. He cannot risk alienating the Kadyrov-Prigozhin camp, as he desperately needs Kadyrov’s Chechen forces and Prigozhin’s Wagner Group mercenaries to fight in Ukraine. Nor can he disenfranchise the MoD establishment, which provides the overwhelming majority of Russian military power in Ukraine and the institutional underpinnings needed to carry out the mobilization order and continue the war,” the ISW wrote.

After a series of catastrophic battlefield losses, Putin is now “interested in alternative methods of warfare” and those who offer them, one source told Meduza.

The very public discord between warring groups close to Putin has exposed glaring cracks in the Russian president’s war machine, even as Ukraine’s military plows ahead with a stunning counteroffensive to take back the country’s land. Ukraine reclaimed eight new villages in the Kherson region as of Tuesday night, President Volodymyr Zelensky said, and several others in Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Donetsk—territories that Putin, just days earlier, had proudly claimed were now part of Russia.

Asked on Wednesday to explain how Russia can claim territory from which its own troops retreated, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov offered an unconvincing response:
“There’s no kind of contradiction in this. [The territories] will be with Russia forever, they will be returned.”

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1577765438049685517
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https://twitter.com/rkidd01/status/1577772789242765313
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[Bill Ryan]

It seems that the reinforcement of the Russian front lines is not going as smoothly as Mr. Putin had hoped, if these new reports have any merit:No, they don't. The Daily Beast is NOT an authoritative source. (Of any kind! :) )

[Ravenlocke]

The Limits of Ukraine's Offensive and the High Price to Pay When it Ends

Update on Russian operations in Ukraine for October 5, 2022

- Latest US aid package falls far short of replacing steep Ukrainian losses amid continued offensives;
- Ukraine’s offensive has limited capabilities, will not achieve “victory” over Russian forces in territory deemed “Ukrainian” by Kiev;
- Ukrainian offensive is an “all-or-nothing” proposition, hoping to achieve psychological and political gains toward ending the conflict in ways Ukrainian military force cannot;
- Western analysts celebrate the psychological impact the offensive is having on pro-Russian media, pundits, and even prominent members of Russian society;
- In reality, Ukraine will be left overextended and vulnerable just as Russia’s 300,000-strong mobilization begins shaping the battlefield.




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Also in the above video,

https://twitter.com/Navsteva/status/1577698397431242752
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[shaberon]

You like to discount the chechyan campaign, and deflect criticism by pointing at whatever atrocities the USA did. We are talking about the Ukraine invasion here, not USA stuff. The chechyan campaign is integral to this discussion because that campaign used the same militaery techniques as what Russia is trying to employ in Ukraine: flatten the opposition with artillery. So, don't try to say that Ukrainians self inflicted all these communities with artillery, that's just horse manure.

You koolaid drinkers are NOT giving this conflict an objective view. You're painting Russia as saviour, which is completely false. Sure, Ukraine has plenty of guilt here, but so does Russia.

I absolutely abhor violence. I absolutely detest the use of force to obtain anything. I'm of the hippie peace love dove mindset. This 'military operation's 'noble' goals could have been achieved through much more peaceful and constructive means. I am sure of this. Any other excuses you make up to justify this repulsive situation is half backed horse manure from an fsb psyop lab.



But Ukraine is "USA stuff".

Major problem.

They could have achieved "peaceful means" some other way than by shelling the Baby Twins for eight years.

I personally have no problem with violence. I would be glad to discuss with anyone why I might kill you or not. This is a subject that may deserve attention in the near future.

Stop calling us "koolaid drinkers" and telling us what we are thinking. I would just like to overthrow about eight governments in the next eight years. Sound familiar? Just different ones from what we were told.

These are terrible posts sounding as if you are trolling the thread. Can you tell us something we don't know??



Here is a little update on pass the buck (https://sputniknews.com/20221006/the-united-states-debt-just-topped-31-trillion-what-needs-to-be-done-1101554257.html):


The entirety of the discretionary budget for 2022 was $1.52 trillion.


This is the part that is useful to us, maybe:


The Department of Energy receives $46.1 billion in funding.


But:

Counting regular military spending, veterans affairs and foreign aid, the total military budget for the United States is $1.168 trillion per year. That does not include related spending, like money spent on the intelligence budget that funds three letter organizations...

US National Debt Tops $31 Trillion For First Time in History

The $31 trillion total debt amounts to $93,419 per person


That's per person, not taxpayer...but even if it is close to accurate...at 1%, that is $934 per year you have to pay for debt service.

In the U. S., you pay around a thousand dollars a year on interest and never touch this $31T principal debt. Whether or not you agree with the imbalance that siphoned most of it away from anything useful.

Those bastards do not have my permission, and, if lethal force was the only way to redress it, that is what would come out of this.

How do we de-nazify something "peacefully and constructively"?

Isn't that what 60s acid rock was unleashed to prevent??

We are the DoD, you eat boots.

And now what, I hold Russia accountable for whatever happened on Patrice Lumbumba Street? Right.

No, I would still just tend to dissolve the "United" union. These massacres don't affect my politics. Unfortunately my politics does not really affect anything. If it had, then none of this would have even been possible.

None of this is possible, and, it may take a few more years for our Dollar and our English stuff to finally disintegrate like so much ash, but what do you think it was made of?

Sometimes I wish I knew what might be in an FSB "lab". I am down the street from probably the world's biggest psyop which was originally designed to steal you after a nuclear strike. Now we just kind of game it at "South American countries" randomly. Pretty big budget for around eighty years now. But that probably doesn't really work, either.

Deprivation of economic opportunity still makes those military careers sound good.

If there was a chance one might have thought maybe Russia was "overreacting", that went out the window with finding a quarter-million man Ukrainian invasion force already in due progress. Is this a mistake? Did they not have this buildup back in February??

[Tintin]

In my eyes, we are peering here into the abyss of the consolidated activities of horizontal (inter-ministerial) and vertical integration of modern state propaganda: from the ministries—and their partnerships with transatlantic think tanks like the [London] ISD—down to the press, "fact-checkers", social media, "multipliers", "critical civil society" and so on. We're even stooping to making schools and primary school-aged children get involved. - Whistleblower

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Alex Thomson, a chap I have much time and respect for, for not only his high intellect but also his truthfulness, talent and thoroughness, has provided a most illuminating piece that has been published on the UK Column website. One of his areas of expertise is his multi-lingual ability and he has clearly invested some time in providing this translation.

It's a thoroughly recommended read which sheds much light :flower:

Source: UK Column (https://www.ukcolumn.org/index.php/article/leak-german-governments-ukraine-war-propaganda-campaign-part-i)

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Leak: German Government's Ukraine war propaganda campaign

https://www.ukcolumn.org/sites/default/files/styles/featured_image/public/2022-10/Screen1_BMI.png?h=e8580d0a&itok=BGSPDWt9

by ALEX THOMSON, EASTERN APPROACHES (https://www.ukcolumn.org/index.php/writer/alex-thomson-eastern-approaches)
Wednesday, 5th October 2022

The below is a translation, made with the permission of the author, of Part I (dated 29 September 2022) of Florian Warweg's exclusive article in NachDenkSeiten (https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=88618), a careful and reliable German new media platform. The original there contains several screenshots of the German document that has been leaked.

Leaked document: How the Federal German Government is working on "Gleichschaltung of the narrative" on the Ukraine war—Part I

NachDenkSeiten has exclusively been leaked an internal document of the German Government. We were able to verify the paper and we also know the identity of the whistleblower. The document gives an illuminating insight into the extent of the horizontal and vertical structures of—there is no other way to put it—propaganda by the German state at federal level, especially as regards the official involvement of media (e.g. Der Spiegel and Stern), Western social media corporations, educational institutions and so-called "fact-checkers". Even primary school children are being targeted. What emerges is a concerted attempt by the Federal Government to subject information to Gleichschaltung.

The document is entitled "Current Activities of Departments and Authorities against disinformation in connection with the RUS war against UKR", runs to ten pages, and meticulously lists the relevant activities of the federal ministries and subordinate authorities as of 27 June 2022. Moreover, these activities are altogether quite something.

In this first [published] part of its evaluation, NachDenkSeiten will concentrate on the role of the BMI (Interior Ministry), the AA (German Foreign Office), BPA (Federal Press Office) and BKM (Federal Commissar for Culture and the Media). In the second part, we shall look at the activities of the BMDV (Ministry for Digital Affairs and Transport) as well as the BMFSFJ (Ministry for Family Affairs) and the BMVg (Ministry of Defence) [all likewise at federal level].

Socialist-run Interior Ministry the hub for state propaganda activities
The list begins with the SPD-led Federal Ministry of the Interior (BMI) under Nancy Faeser. The BMI is to take the lead and coordinate the "identification of and defence against hybrid threats" in an "interdepartmental" manner. This will be led by the "UAG RUS/UKR" (UAG stands for "sub-working groups" in ministerial parlance). One of the undertakings in this regard is a situation report on "Hybrid Threats" with a focus on Russia-Ukraine, to be drafted every fortnight. However, the "Ten-Point Resilience Plan" listed in the document is particularly eye-catching.

The first point in this "plan" is concerted "linking to fact-checkers on federal government websites". Private "fact-checkers" such as Correctiv, or contribution-financed ones such as the ARD-Faktenfinder, financed mainly by the US billionaire and eBay founder Pierre Omidyar, (https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=84691) are to be massively advertised through the "websites of the Federal Government". So much for the vaunted "political neutrality" and "independence" of the fact-checkers.

Furthermore, pamphlets on "disinformation in the context of the Russian war of aggression against Ukraine" are to be produced and sent to federal ministries and elected representatives in the Bundestag, Länder [states] and municipalities. The list is replete with the reference: "Distribution to multipliers in civil society is underway".

The fifth point in the "Resilience Plan" is also particularly revealing; it is devoted to cooperation with the press. Mention is made, for example, of a "Spiegel background discussion" on 31 March and the preparation of features and interviews with Interior Minister Faeser; explicit reference is made in this context to Stern and Tagesspiegel. It is also mentioned that the term "Anti-Disinformation Task Force" has successfully been embedded in [media] reporting. In the document, (Russian) "disinformation" is understood as anything that amounts to accurately reporting the official Russian position. And this is exclusively in relation to the Russian side. Neither official Ukrainian nor US talking points on the war in Ukraine are assessed by the German Government as "disinformation" per se in the same manner.

Another aspect of the plan is "outreach into the parliamentary arena", i.e. influencing members of the Bundestag and state parliaments. This is not an unproblematic undertaking, given the established separation of powers between the executive and the legislature.

Likewise, the "resilience plan" has as a central point the "occasion-related" intensification of contacts and talks with the platform operators of social networks "in order to sensitise them to state-directed disinformation". The document explicitly mentions Twitter, Meta, Google and Telegram in this regard. The talks are to be held at "junior minister [Staatssekretär] level".

No less problematic is the plan to influence the "curricula in schools as well as the involvement of adult education centres and voluntary bodies".

Finally, the plan states that the work on the implementation of the "Action Plan of the Federation and the Länder [states] against Disinformation and for a Defensible Democracy" has begun.

German Foreign Office, Press Service and Office of Chancellor's Media Tsar also key actors in state propaganda and censorship efforts

In addition to the Ministry of the Interior, the German Foreign Office (AA) appears in the document as a protagonist in the supposed "fight against [Russian] disinformation". It is noticeable that the whole gamut of measures by the AA is couched exclusively in terms of "Russian disinformation", and emphatically creates the impression that "disinformation" and the shaping of narratives only come from one single country worldwide.

For instance, the German Foreign Office document on "Measures as part of the RUS/UKR communication concept" mentions:



- Observation and analysis of current Russian narratives and disinformation
- Creation of a "living document" that "deconstructs/debunks classic and current
Russian narratives on the Ukraine war"
- Promoting projects to "build resilience to (especially Russian) disinformation [...]"

According to this document, the AA primarily networks—"intensively and bilaterally"—with US counterparts on disinformation issues. Explicitly mentioned in this context are the International Partnership to Counter State-Sponsored Disinformation (IPCSD) and the Counter Foreign Interference Group (CFI).


[Note by Alex Thomson: 'CFI' is a term used by other Western countries, including Australia. The leaked document screenshot embedded in the original article mentions "Counter Foreign Interference (CFI) Group" but this could well be an error for a similarly-named body, whether in the US, elsewhere or transnational. UK Column has reported on the scale of the British effort (https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/beyond-integrity-initiative-scale-ukgov-counter-disinformation).]

The last point in the document concerning the activities of the AA is also revealing. It speaks of "[...] promoting the project proposals submitted by Deutsche Welle and DW Akademie for the expansion of reporting on UKR/RUS, as well as strengthening media competence [...]". We thus note that the German Foreign Office, a federal ministry led by the top Green politician Annalena Baerbock, is planning to fund projects of the [taxpayer-funded] German foreign broadcasting service, Deutsche Welle. How this is compatible with the Deutsche Welle Statute (DWG), which obliges [the broadcaster] to facilitate "an independent formation of opinion", would be just one of several questions raised by these Foreign Office plans revealed in the document.

The Federal Press Office (BPA), together with the Federal Foreign Office (AA), is in charge of the so-called "EG Desinformation" (when asked by telephone by NachDenkSeiten on 27 September what "EG" stands for in this context, the responsible head of service at the BPA could not provide any information). According to the document, the BPA is responsible for "raising awareness within the Government on the topic and dealing with disinformation". In addition, it offers "interdepartmental training" on disinformation. What is striking here is that the training is not provided by the BPA itself, but by private third-party providers such as the Institute for Strategic Dialogue (ISD) and the Business Council for Democracy of the Hertie Stiftung [German tax-exempt foundation].

The ISD, with its expressly transatlantic orientation and its headquarters in London, has such illustrious board members as Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, the management consultant Roland Berger, and the CEO of Axel Springer SE, Matthias Döpfner.

"Interdepartmental training" on disinformation for employees of the federal ministries is thus being carried out by a transatlantic lobby organisation whose "board" includes exposed plagiarists, and the head of Springer-Presse—speaking of disinformation—which regularly spreads fake news, as well as the private foundation of a department store tycoon. The federal authorities' approach to outsourcing probably doesn't get much better than this reduction to the absurd.

Finally, the document lists that the deputy government spokespersons regularly engage in "bilateral exchanges with Google/YouTube, Twitter, Meta, TikTok and LinkedIn to discuss the platforms' "respective strategies to combat disinformation, particularly in the context of the war in Ukraine".

That is to say that, according to the document, both the Interior and Foreign Ministries, as well as the Federal Press Office, each hold regular bilateral meetings (at junior minster [Staatssekretär] level) with the major platform operators on "Russian disinformation" regarding the war in Ukraine. The pressure to conform and censor that this all adds up to can be considered significant.

Six-year-olds on board

Another major player is the Federal Commissar for Culture and the Media (BKM), Claudia Roth, who reports directly to the Chancellor. She has a budget of over two billion euros, 400 employees, and is responsible for federal government media policy (and finances bodies including the German foreign broadcasting service, Deutsche Welle, as part of this framework).

In the internal document seen by NachDenkSeiten, there is talk, among other ideas, of "setting up a Russian editorial office-in-exile in Riga [capital of Latvia]" and "if necessary, setting up a Ukrainian editorial office-in-exile in Kraków, Poland". According to the paper, the BKM seems to be playing a central and proactive role among the EU Council of Media Ministers in "taking action against Russian propaganda media".

Likewise, the BKM is taking a lead role in the negotiations on the Orwellian-sounding "European Media Freedom Act" and is seeking to focus on "disinformation" there.

According to the document, the BKM is also planning a new funding programme "with a focus on promoting news literacy among the general population to combat disinformation".

Another project that raises questions is the use of child reporters from the age of 6 against "disinformation", a term not specified further. The document states, among other things:



"Children's reporters — Strengthening the news competence, and thereby resilience to disinformation, of 6–14-year-olds through active media work."

Finally, reference is made to the Deutsche Welle project "Artificial Intelligence against Disinformation" (KID), in which "AI modules of digital forensics are to be used to improve the (partially) automated identification of manipulation and concerted disinformation campaigns". Brave new world...

Whistleblower's concerns

The whistleblower also explained to us what motivated him to make this leak. He told NachDenkSeiten that when this document arrived on his work computer, he was deeply shocked. For him, he said, this was "a concerted attempt at narrative synchronisation". He went on:



"In my eyes, we are peering here into the abyss of the consolidated activities of horizontal (inter-ministerial) and vertical integration of modern state propaganda: from the ministries—and their partnerships with transatlantic think tanks like the [London] ISD—down to the press, "fact-checkers", social media, "multipliers", "critical civil society" and so on. We're even stooping to making schools and primary school-aged children get involved."

Furthermore, he told NachDenkSeiten that this document is only "the tip of the iceberg" and that the projects listed are not exhaustive. Everything listed in this document would still be a manageable leak for the Federal Government, he said, as it only included the measures that could be admitted to in [PR] communications if in doubt. The German public had no idea what else was going on behind the scenes, he added.

Finally, something about the presumed author of this internal document. According to the metadata of the original Word document, this German government list was compiled by a person whose name we are withholding out of respect for his private life, but whose curriculum vitae provides interesting insights into who draws up such "interdepartmental" papers on this topic.

Practically nothing can be found out about the author online, but what little can be found speaks for itself. On LinkedIn, there is a post thanking the author of the document "Current Activities of Departments and Authorities against disinformation in connection with the RUS war against UKR", written by BwConsulting (BwConsulting is the in-house consulting company of the Federal Ministry of Defence) for the partnership, and the author has also written a reference book on the management of NATO and EU military operations (https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/british-military-information-war-waged-their-own-population).

Addendum by Alex Thomson

Part II can be read in the original German here (https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=88771). The final screenshot embedded in Part II speaks of the Bundeswehr (German armed forces) involving “young people in particular” in dialogue on security policy, with a package on “hybrid threats” delivered in concert with the Security Policy Academy (BAKS) and another package planned on “Society and Resilience”, to be delivered in concert with the Bertelsmann Stiftung.

The text in the screenshot goes on to state that “youth officers” of the Bundeswehr, “specially trained in teaching methods”, are—apparently already—being dispatched to schools to “raise awareness of security policy and defence policy” through “direct dialogue”.

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Related articles:


Beyond Integrity Initiative: The Scale of UKGOV Counter Disinformation (https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/beyond-integrity-initiative-scale-ukgov-counter-disinformation)



The British Military Information War Waged On Their Own Population (https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/british-military-information-war-waged-their-own-population)

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/news/564123-bolton-regime-change-putin/


John Bolton wants US to push for ‘change regime’ in Russia

Former White House national security adviser John Bolton insisted on Wednesday that only “regime change” in Moscow can achieve long-term US objectives in Europe. He proposed funding Russian “dissidents” who could team up with mid-level officers to overthrow President Vladimir Putin in a coup.

“There is no long-term prospect for peace and security in Europe without regime change in Russia,” Bolton argued in an article titled “Putin Must Go,” which was published by the online journal 1945.

Change “must involve far more than simply replacing Putin,” according to Bolton. “The whole regime must go.”

Bolton actually opened the article by quoting President Joe Biden, who said in March, “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.” Biden’s aides had scrambled to walk that back, with Secretary of State Antony Blinken arguing that “we do not have a strategy of regime change in Russia – or anywhere else, for that matter.”

The very next day, however, Biden insisted he wasn’t backpedaling, and that his remarks were not “articulating a policy change” but “expressing moral outrage… and I make no apologies for it.”

While serving as President Donald Trump’s national security adviser, Bolton championed regime-change policies for Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran – and derailed Trump’s diplomacy with North Korea, after which he was dismissed in September 2019. Yet the official US position on Havana, Caracas, and Tehran has not changed since Biden took office.

Regime change has been the US goal in Russia for years
Regime change has been the US goal in Russia for years
The Kremlin reacted to Biden’s remarks by calling him a “victim of many delusions.” Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the question of who should be in power in Russia is not up to any US citizen, but for Russians to decide.

“Carefully assisting Russian dissidents to pursue regime change might just be the answer,” Bolton argued, in a twist to Peskov’s logic. “The key is for Russians themselves to exacerbate divisions among those with real authority, the siloviki... Once regime coherence and solidarity shatter, change is possible.”

Bolton claimed that “Russians are already discussing it, quietly, for obvious reasons” and brushed off concerns that Russia is a nuclear power, saying “that is no more an argument against seeking regime change than against assisting Ukrainian self-defense.”

He also accused Moscow of subverting the US government “for many decades” and blowing up its own Nord Stream pipeline.

“Washington’s obvious strategic objective is having Russia aligned with the West, a fit candidate for NATO, as we hoped after the Soviet Union’s breakup,” Bolton argued. The US goal “of a peaceful and secure Europe… remains central to our national interests. This is no time to be shy,” he concluded.

An outspoken neoconservative who believes in American unilateralism, Bolton held government positions under Republican presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. The Biden administration claims that Iran plotted to have him assassinated.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1577986923049750529
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https://www.rt.com/russia/564154-ukraine-fake-russia-atrocities-debunk/

German newspaper debunks false Ukrainian claim about Russian ‘torture’

A pile of gold teeth, which Ukraine alleged had been pulled from civilians by Russian troops to torture them, actually belonged to a local dentist, Bild reported on Wednesday.

On Tuesday, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry posted a picture on Twitter of what it called “a torture chamber” in Peski Radkovskiye, a town in Kharkov Region. The photo depicted a gas mask, which, according to the ministry, was used to torture the local population, and a box of gold dental crowns lying on the grass.

“How many more will be found in occupied Ukraine?” it asked, hinting that it was Russian troops who had committed the atrocities.

However, according to Bild, the teeth apparently belonged to patients of a local dentist, not to Ukrainian torture victims.

“These teeth look like those stolen from my collection,” Sergey, 60, told the outlet when he was shown the photo distributed by the Ukrainian authorities. “I’m the only dentist here. So if they were found here, they must have come from me.”

When asked if the teeth could have come from dead people, the dentist categorically dismissed the notion. “Oh God, no! They belonged to the people I’ve treated all these years. I pulled out these teeth because they were bad,” he explained.

The dentist also voiced suspicions that it was Russian troops who stole them, either because they thought them to be made of gold, or to intimidate local residents.

Lavrov puts spotlight on ‘impunity’ in Ukraine
Lavrov puts spotlight on ‘impunity’ in Ukraine
While the teeth were not a product of torture, local residents claimed that Russian troops had been involved in a number of alleged atrocities. They said soldiers had beaten some local residents and used them as forced labor for digging trenches. Moscow has repeatedly denied allegations that it has committed war crimes in Ukraine.

Russia sent troops into the country on February 24, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014. Former Ukrainian president Pyotr Poroshenko has since admitted that Kiev’s main goal was to use the ceasefire to buy time and “create powerful armed forces.”

In February 2022, the Kremlin recognized the Donbass republics as independent states and demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join any Western military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked.

[Tintin]

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...and some comments from the thread, here:

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Here's the link to The Daily Mail news story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11284819/How-Ukrainian-intelligence-chiefs-tracking-collaborators-worked-Russians.html

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Justplain]

Corbett Report:. 'Putin has accomplished everything he set out to prevent'-

https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/riley-waggaman-provides-updates-from#play

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/Dpol_un/status/1578086165839740941
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[Ravenlocke]

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https://www.rt.com/news/564144-eu-commissioner-ukraine-nato/

EU commissioner warns Ukraine on NATO bid

Ukraine’s goal of becoming a part of NATO cannot be realized as long as it is engaged in armed hostilities with Russia, EU Commissioner Thierry Breton has said.

Speaking on the French TV channel BFM on Thursday, Thierry Breton called the ongoing conflict a disqualifying condition for Kiev’s bid. Ukraine’s President Vladimir Zelensky earlier sent a request to NATO, asking the US-led bloc to grant Ukraine candidate status and fast-track it into the alliance.

“To apply for NATO membership, you must not be a country at war,” the French businessman and EU commissioner for the internal market said. “Accessions are made when the countries are at peace” because otherwise the entire alliance would be dragged into the conflict that the new member is engaged in.

As “Ukraine is, alas, a country at war,” its demand for NATO membership is a “symbolic, political demand,” Breton argued.

Ukraine declared its strategic goal of joining NATO after the 2014 Maidan coup in Kiev. In 2019, the policy choice was enshrined in the nation’s constitution.

Only nine members voice support for Ukraine’s NATO bid
Only nine members voice support for Ukraine’s NATO bid
Last Friday, Zelensky signed on camera a formal call to “accelerate” his country’s accession, arguing that Ukraine was “de facto” already part of the organization. His office heavily implied that a positive reaction would follow.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg reiterated on the same day that the bloc maintained its previous stance. While it supported Kiev’s fight against Russia and kept the door open, “NATO is not party to the conflict” and would not change its Ukraine policy, the official told journalists.

Nine central and eastern European members of the alliance have expressed support for Ukraine’s proposed swift accession, but others, including the US, either tacitly or directly rejected it. Bulgaria said Kiev and Moscow must be at peace before Ukraine can join the bloc.

When Russia sent troops into Ukraine in late February, it cited a growing threat to its national security as one of the reasons. Moscow accused NATO of a creeping expansion into Ukraine despite not formally accepting it as a member, and said it crossed Russia’s red line.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Chester]

Uncovered: Box of gold teeth ‘pulled from Ukrainians’ at Russian torture chamber

What was the excuse for the Russians invading, Oh yea to de-Nazify Ukraine, hmm what does this (if its true) remind you of , yep !

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-uncovers-box-gold-teeth-090645157.html

When you look at your source and are well-informed of this sources track record for massive, intentional disinformation, then a discerning individual would have doubts about its validity and not post such crap.

Third strike for me (ignore list addition completed).

Folks, the feature's there for a reason. If everyone ignored the compromised and/or witting dis-info agents, they would get nothing but echo chamber responses. Beyond the compromised and/or witting dis-info agents stands plenty of space for intelligent debate as to this war, reasons each side my put forth in any attempt to justify the actions by their side of choice, but this can only be done if folks are honest and broadly informed. Those who only get their information from professional propagandists (on EITHER SIDE) should post elsewhere. This is a serious thread.

[Chester]

You like to discount the chechyan campaign, and deflect criticism by pointing at whatever atrocities the USA did. We are talking about the Ukraine invasion here, not USA stuff. The chechyan campaign is integral to this discussion because that campaign used the same militaery techniques as what Russia is trying to employ in Ukraine: flatten the opposition with artillery. So, don't try to say that Ukrainians self inflicted all these communities with artillery, that's just horse manure.

You koolaid drinkers are NOT giving this conflict an objective view. You're painting Russia as saviour, which is completely false. Sure, Ukraine has plenty of guilt here, but so does Russia.

I absolutely abhor violence. I absolutely detest the use of force to obtain anything. I'm of the hippie peace love dove mindset. This 'military operation's 'noble' goals could have been achieved through much more peaceful and constructive means. I am sure of this. Any other excuses you make up to justify this repulsive situation is half backed horse manure from an fsb psyop lab.



But Ukraine is "USA stuff".

Major problem.

They could have achieved "peaceful means" some other way than by shelling the Baby Twins for eight years.

I personally have no problem with violence. I would be glad to discuss with anyone why I might kill you or not. This is a subject that may deserve attention in the near future.

Stop calling us "koolaid drinkers" and telling us what we are thinking. I would just like to overthrow about eight governments in the next eight years. Sound familiar? Just different ones from what we were told.

These are terrible posts sounding as if you are trolling the thread. Can you tell us something we don't know??



Here is a little update on pass the buck (https://sputniknews.com/20221006/the-united-states-debt-just-topped-31-trillion-what-needs-to-be-done-1101554257.html):


The entirety of the discretionary budget for 2022 was $1.52 trillion.


This is the part that is useful to us, maybe:


The Department of Energy receives $46.1 billion in funding.


But:

Counting regular military spending, veterans affairs and foreign aid, the total military budget for the United States is $1.168 trillion per year. That does not include related spending, like money spent on the intelligence budget that funds three letter organizations...

US National Debt Tops $31 Trillion For First Time in History

The $31 trillion total debt amounts to $93,419 per person


That's per person, not taxpayer...but even if it is close to accurate...at 1%, that is $934 per year you have to pay for debt service.

In the U. S., you pay around a thousand dollars a year on interest and never touch this $31T principal debt. Whether or not you agree with the imbalance that siphoned most of it away from anything useful.

Those bastards do not have my permission, and, if lethal force was the only way to redress it, that is what would come out of this.

How do we de-nazify something "peacefully and constructively"?

Isn't that what 60s acid rock was unleashed to prevent??

We are the DoD, you eat boots.

And now what, I hold Russia accountable for whatever happened on Patrice Lumbumba Street? Right.

No, I would still just tend to dissolve the "United" union. These massacres don't affect my politics. Unfortunately my politics does not really affect anything. If it had, then none of this would have even been possible.

None of this is possible, and, it may take a few more years for our Dollar and our English stuff to finally disintegrate like so much ash, but what do you think it was made of?

Sometimes I wish I knew what might be in an FSB "lab". I am down the street from probably the world's biggest psyop which was originally designed to steal you after a nuclear strike. Now we just kind of game it at "South American countries" randomly. Pretty big budget for around eighty years now. But that probably doesn't really work, either.

Deprivation of economic opportunity still makes those military careers sound good.

If there was a chance one might have thought maybe Russia was "overreacting", that went out the window with finding a quarter-million man Ukrainian invasion force already in due progress. Is this a mistake? Did they not have this buildup back in February??

Great post and now I have a second opinion as to why I am utilizing the ignore list feature (again for this same member).

[Johnnycomelately]

Great post and now I have a second opinion as to why I am utilizing the ignore list feature (again for this same member).

I also agree with Shaberon’s response to that post of Mr. Plain. And, no disrespect to the latter, I am thankful for it having been seen by by the former. I have not blocked anyone here, not like back on LL where there were some seriously offensive and useless posters. I’ve talked to this irritant of yours, presented what I thought was a good counter. I hope that you will unblock yourself, and invest some energy in saying how you think different. Justplain is not a bad guy.

[Harmony]

Thank you to everyone trying to help Justplain understand the full situation of what is going on.


Nobody knows what another member and their family may have been through in the past. Justplain has stated that is wife and son are Russian and he deserves the respect of having his own views even if others may not agree with him, and hopefully a fuller view can be had as everyone looks deeper into the history and how things have changed in the present now.


Here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101087-Catherine-Austin-Fitts-all-things-Fitts&p=1520345&viewfull=1#post1520345) is a link to a post by RunningDeer:


Special Report: Reset in Ukraine, Part 2 with Karel Van Wolferen (1:30:00)September 28, 2022

By Catherine Austin Fitts
Karel van Wolferen is an author, journalist, professor, publisher and one of the most respected voices in the Netherlands on geopolitics.

In March, I visited Karel for a wide ranging discussion on his views about events in the Ukraine and how they relate to the push for central control globally. We so enjoyed our discussion, I returned on April 15 to continue our discussion….and debate!

[Tintin]

"For the ghouls saying they don't see destruction [from Ukrainian shelling], I'm subtitling clips of destroyed apartment buildings and houses." - Eva Bartlett

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On the referendums Craig Murray published an interesting, but in my view deeply flawed interpretation of their 'legality' predicated on the international rules usually used to conduct them, and assuming they be conducted in a peaceful environment. Essentially he was splitting hairs through an academic lens and perhaps, unusually for him, misread the genuine will of the people; the referenda were fair, and he had perhaps been selective in conveniently ignoring the collective west's activities in Kosovo in the 90s. (Golan Heights as well anyone?)

However he did post up some interesting statistics which should serve as a reminder for those paying attention (and it is clear that some are not), that Ukraine have been shelling their own people [since 2014] along with a great many others. His take-away should have been that if there was a 99.7% turnout anywhere that this represented the will and desire of all the below listed peoples - that's fairly conclusive one would have thought

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Craig's full article is here (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/10/striding-towards-armageddon-why-putins-annexations-are-wrong/), from which this portion has been extracted:



The last census in Ukraine was in 2001, conducted under the pro-Russian president Leonid Kuchma. These are the narodnosc results as percentages for the regions Putin has just annexed.

Donetsk Region

Ukrainians 56.9
Russians 38.2
Greeks 1.6
Belarussians 0.9
Tatars 0.5
Armenians 0.3
Jews 0.5
Azerbaijanians 0.2

Luhansk Region

Ukrainians 58.0
Russians 39.0
Belarussians 0.8
Tatars 0.3
Armenians 0.3

Kherson Region

Ukrainians 82.0
Russians 14.1
Belarussians 0.7
Tatars 0.5
Moldavians 0.4
Armenians 0.4
Crimean Tatars 0.2

Zaporizhzhia Region

Ukrainians 70.8
Russians 24.7
Bulgarians 1.4
Belarussians 0.7
Jews 0.2
Armenians 0.3
Tatars 0.3
Georgians 0.2

In none of the regions Putin has just annexed were Russians a majority in 2001, let alone a 99.7% majority. Apparently 6.4 million Ukrainians have simply vanished.

(Mod comment: academic, and a somewhat fallacious comment; around 10 million have actually either fled, sought citizenship status in Russia and other European countries, or I may helpfully add, been murdered, disappeared or sacrificed by successive Kievan regimes. He - Craig - may have been on the Lagavulin when he wrote this - Tintin)

For completeness here were the 2001 results for Crimea:

Russians 58.3
Ukrainians 24.3
Crimean Tatars 12.0
Belarussians 1.4
Tatars 0.5
Armenians 0.4
Jews 0.2
Poles 0.2
Moldavians 0.2
Azerbaijanians 0.2

[Rizotto]

Corbett Report:. 'Putin has accomplished everything he set out to prevent'-

https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/riley-waggaman-provides-updates-from#play

Thanks Justplain for this very interesting interview. Eye opener for sure. MUST SEE!

The most shocking to me is that the covid jab is mandatory for the entire Russian military personnel, including the new 300,000 conscripts? Those conscripts who refuse the jab face 10 years in prison!?? And the Sputnik injection they use in Russia is just a version of the dangerous Astra Zeneca jab that many countries have abandoned for being unsafe. But Russia does not compile safety data on this 'clot-shot'? I'd like to believe that none of this is true, but it all seems quite factual. (Would like to hear from anyone here who knows otherwise.)

The one thing not discussed in this interview is Russia's claim of USA sponsored bioweapons labs in Ukraine. Probably because they're known to exist, not only in Ukraine but also in many countries around the world.

At any rate, there is so much happening so quickly these days, that trying to keep up might leave one in a state of confusion. I've often wondered if that is in fact the goal of the major players.

[Isserley]

Corbett Report:. 'Putin has accomplished everything he set out to prevent'-

https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/riley-waggaman-provides-updates-from#play

Thanks Justplain for this very interesting interview. Eye opener for sure. MUST SEE!

The most shocking to me is that the covid jab is mandatory for the entire Russian military personnel, including the new 300,000 conscripts? Those conscripts who refuse the jab face 10 years in prison!?? And the Sputnik injection they use in Russia is just a version of the dangerous Astra Zeneca jab that many countries have abandoned for being unsafe. But Russia does not compile safety data on this 'clot-shot'? I'd like to believe that none of this is true, but it all seems quite factual. (Would like to hear from anyone here who knows otherwise.)

The one thing not discussed in this interview is Russia's claim of USA sponsored bioweapons labs in Ukraine. Probably because they're known to exist, not only in Ukraine but also in many countries around the world.

At any rate, there is so much happening so quickly these days, that trying to keep up might leave one in a state of confusion. I've often wondered if that is in fact the goal of the major players.


I have been thinking about the situation with covid vaccines in Russia for some time now and here is the answer.
I'm not surprised.
Sometimes it seems to me that all this is The Shelling of Mainila incident al over again or simply a systematic Russification of the neighboring countries that would eventually result in a newly conquered land.
But Im probably wrong eh.. :decision:

[Bill Ryan]

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28644

DonbassDevushka/28644

[Tintin]

The increasingly impressive Clare Daly, MEP, continues to speak her very clear mind on the floor of the EU parliament. I imagine few here would disagree with these sentiments:

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/status/1578376529997795330
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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564238-zaporozhye-nuclear-plant-restart/

Russia shares plans for Zaporozhye nuclear power plant restart

Russian specialists are working to restart reactors No. 5 and 6 of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, a senior official at Russia’s state nuclear energy giant said on Friday.

The process may require “about a week,” Renat Karchaa, an advisor to the head of Rosenergoatom, told TASS news agency.

The preparations have been confirmed by city authorities in Energodar, where the site is located. The plant is “in working order and can generate power” after it is turned back on, local administration chief Aleksandr Volga said in an interview on Russian television on Friday.

He explained that the city intends to use the plant as a source of thermal power during the heating season, and is rerouting the plumbing accordingly. A gas-fired power plant in Energodar is out of operation after being hit by Ukrainian artillery, regional officials earlier said.

Vladimir Rogov, a senior Zaporozhye Region official, told the media there are problems that need to be fixed before the nuclear site can be operated again. He explained that most of the power lines connecting it to the grid were previously damaged and will have to be repaired.

Only one transmission line currently remains intact, but it passes across the Dnepr River to Kiev-controlled territory, he explained, adding that the connection was currently being used to power the station itself.

Kiev wants to make new Russian city ‘unlivable’ – top official
Kiev wants to make new Russian city ‘unlivable’ – top official
On Thursday, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a change of ownership of the largest nuclear plant in Europe to reflect the new status of Zaporozhye Region as one of the four provinces newly incorporated into Russia.

A new organization operating under Rosenergoatom has taken over the facility, with the staff offered new employment in the same positions.

Kiev, which considers the region to be its own territory, has sent instructions to the plant's workers to ignore the change of ownership and take orders from the Ukrainian operator, Energoatom.

The perilous situation was discussed this week by Rafael Grossi, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, and Ukraine’s President Vladimir Zelensky. The UN’s nuclear watchdog does not recognize Russia’s claim on the Zaporozhye plant.

“The plant’s courageous staff deserve our sincere gratitude and respect for continuing to fulfill their vital tasks in unimaginably difficult conditions, with their workplace located in the middle of a war zone,” Grossi said. “There is a need for urgent action to make their jobs and lives easier, not the opposite”.

Aleksandr Volga reported that out of 11,000 employees that the nuclear site normally requires to operate, some 7,800 have remained in their positions. He confirmed that the IAEA was scheduled to rotate its inspectors on Friday, with two people currently stationed leaving and four new specialists arriving in Energodar. The Russian official said he expected the newcomers to help with the safe restart of the reactors.

READ MORE: Putin transfers Europe’s largest nuclear plant to Russian control
Energodar has been under Russian control since March, but Ukrainian forces are within artillery striking distance. Moscow has repeatedly accused Kiev of endangering the Zaporozhye facility with its attacks on the city, while Ukraine has claimed Russian forces were responsible for the shellings.

The IAEA fact-finding mission, which arrived in Energodar in early September, corroborated reports of damage to the station, but declined to assign blame.


https://www.rt.com/russia/564119-putin-zaporozhye-nuclear-plant/

Putin transfers Europe’s largest nuclear plant to Russian control

President Vladimir Putin has issued an order placing the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, Europe's largest, under Russian management. A presidential decree on the fate of the facility was published on Wednesday.

The plant will be operated by a subsidiary of Russia’s state-owned nuclear power giant Rosatom. For now, it will continue to function under Ukrainian-issued licenses until Russian equivalents are obtained, according to the document.

The move comes as Moscow finalizes the accession of four formerly Ukrainian regions – Zaporozhye, Kherson, as well as Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics – to Russia. The territories overwhelmingly backed a proposal to join Russia in referendums last month. The votes were firmly rejected by Kiev and its Western backers, who denounced them as “sham” votes.

In recent weeks, Zaporozhye nuclear power plant has been subjected to repeated missile, artillery and drone attacks, attributed by the Russian military to Ukrainian forces, as well as targeted by saboteurs in apparent attempts to seize the facility from Russian forces. Kiev, along with multiple Western officials, however, has been blaming Moscow for shelling the nuclear facility it controls.

Putin ‘surprised’ by referendum results READ MORE: Putin ‘surprised’ by referendum results
The Zaporozhye plant was seized by the Russian military early in the ongoing conflict. Until now, however, it has remained under Ukrainian management.

Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014. Former Ukrainian president Pyotr Poroshenko has since admitted that Kiev’s main goal was to use the ceasefire to buy time and “create powerful armed forces.”

In February 2022, the Kremlin recognized the Donbass republics as independent states and demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join any Western military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked.

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564236-drone-russian-military-airport-explosion/

Drone explodes at Russian military airport – local officials

An explosion occurred at a military airbase in Kaluga region located southwest of the Russian capital when an unidentified drone hit the ground, local authorities said on Friday, adding that there have been no casualties or major damage.

According to Kaluga’s Governor Vladislav Shapsha, a blast occurred at military airport ‘Shaikovka,’ with an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), which “presumably flew from [this] side of the border,” hitting the ground in the area.

“There are no casualties. The airfield infrastructure and equipment didn’t sustain any damage,” the official said, adding that there is no threat to the airport’s current operations while investigators are already looking into the incident.

Shaikovka is located about 600 kilometers from the Russia-Ukraine border and 300 kilometers southwest of Moscow. Moreover, according to media reports, the facility is home to a regiment of Russian strategic supersonic bombers.

US and UK hold drone drills
US and UK hold drone drills
While Shapsha did not comment on who might be behind the intrusion, news outlet Mash described the incident at the base as a “diversion.” It claimed that the UAV with a grenade was launched Friday morning not far from the airbase.

“[The drone] did not enter Russia from the territory of Ukraine. Its purpose was to destroy the airport’s runway,” it wrote, adding that the flight strip had been damaged but that it has already been repaired.

Since the onset of Russia’s military campaign in late February, Ukraine has repeatedly used drones for military purposes. In late September, in one of the most notorious examples, a Ukrainian explosive-laden UAV attacked Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, though no damage was caused to its reactor.

[Bob_2011]

Uncovered: Box of gold teeth ‘pulled from Ukrainians’ at Russian torture chamber

What was the excuse for the Russians invading, Oh yea to de-Nazify Ukraine, hmm what does this (if its true) remind you of , yep !

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-uncovers-box-gold-teeth-090645157.html

When you look at your source and are well-informed of this sources track record for massive, intentional disinformation, then a discerning individual would have doubts about its validity and not post such crap.

Third strike for me (ignore list addition completed).

Folks, the feature's there for a reason. If everyone ignored the compromised and/or witting dis-info agents, they would get nothing but echo chamber responses. Beyond the compromised and/or witting dis-info agents stands plenty of space for intelligent debate as to this war, reasons each side my put forth in any attempt to justify the actions by their side of choice, but this can only be done if folks are honest and broadly informed. Those who only get their information from professional propagandists (on EITHER SIDE) should post elsewhere. This is a serious thread.

Did you not see my bracketed (STATEMENT), maybe all that hair and your dark glasses are obscuring your eyes,

[Vicus]

Starlink trouble reported in Ukraine

Ukrainian soldiers say Elon Musk’s satellites stopped working during some battles with Russians

Outages of the Starlink communications system have led to a “catastrophic” loss of communication between Ukrainian troops as they battled Russian forces, the Financial Times (FT) reported on Friday.

The news triggered concerns that Elon Musk may have done something to the service in response to Ukrainian denunciations of his peace plan, but the SpaceX magnate called the newspaper's article “bad reporting.”

Musk gave Ukraine thousands of Starlink terminals back in March, helping Kiev’s military to “operate drones, receive vital intelligence updates and communicate with each other in areas where there are no other secure networks,” as the FT described it.

In recent weeks, as Ukrainian forces moved into territory previously controlled by Russian forces, the systems stopped working on multiple occasions. One senior Ukrainian official told the FT this led to a “catastrophic” loss of communication, including during “pitched battles.” Failures were “widespread” and “prompted panicked calls from soldiers to helplines,” said another official.

Roman Sinitsin, who runs a nonprofit that directs Starlinks to the Ukrainian military, said the problem may have been due to Musk’s SpaceX having a block on the signal in Russian-held areas.

“It is absolutely clear to me that this is being done by representatives of Starlink to prevent the usage of their technology by Russian occupation forces,” Sinitsin told the FT, urging SpaceX to coordinate more closely with the Ukrainian military.

continue: https://www.rt.com/russia/564263-starlink-ukraine-outage-musk/

[Bill Ryan]

A concise 20 minute interview by Judge Napolitano with Scott Ritter. (Ritter is a regular guest of his, and Napolitan's interviews are always concise. :) )

What interested me here was Ritter's observation and informed opinion about the presence of US Special Forces as boots on the ground in Ukraine, barely any secret now. "Hundreds of Americans rotating in and out of Ukraine", he states. He explains they'd be in civilian clothes, not uniformed (as the mercenaries are, which is a different thing).

He also states, and many other analysts agree, that NATO's goal here is not to save Ukraine, or to win back territory (including even Crimea), but to sacrifice Ukraine using it as a means to try to bleed Russia dry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWlEIXhRu_k

[Vicus]

Lavrov explains why Russia sees Ukraine as a threat

President Zelensky did ask NATO for a preemptive nuclear strike, despite claims to the contrary, the Russian foreign minister said

A call by Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky for NATO members to deploy nuclear weapons against Russia is a reminder of why Moscow launched military action against his country, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said.

“Yesterday, Zelensky called on his Western masters to deliver a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia,” Moscow’s top diplomat stated during a media conference on Wednesday.

In doing so, the Ukrainian leader “showed to the entire world the latest proof of the threats that come from the Kiev regime.” Lavrov said Russia’s special military operation had been launched to neutralize those threats.

He dismissed as “laughable” an attempt to downplay Zelensky’s words made by his press secretary, Sergey Nikoforov.

“We all remember how [Zelensky] declared in January Ukraine’s intention to acquire nuclear weapons. Apparently, this idea has long been stuck in his mind,” the Russian minister said.

On Thursday, Zelensky told the Australian Lowy Institute that NATO must carry out preemptive strikes against Russia so that it “knows what to expect” if it uses its nuclear arsenal. He claimed that such action would “eliminate the possibility of Russia using nuclear weapons,” before recalling how he urged other nations to preemptively punish Russia before it launched its military action against his country.

“I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: Preemptive strikes so that [the Russians] know what will happen to them if they use it, and not the other way around,” he said.

His spokesman then claimed that people interpreting Zelensky’s words as a call for a preemptive nuclear strike were wrong, and that Ukraine would never use such rhetoric.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564206-lavrov-zelensky-preemptive-strike/

[Ravenlocke]

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564265-putin-zelensky-g20-summit/

Putin and Zelensky to attend G20 – Indonesia

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart, Vladimir Zelensky, will both travel to Bali in November for the G20 summit, an Indonesian diplomat has told UAE's The National newspaper.

If true, the summit will be the first event attended by both leaders since Russia’s military operation in Ukraine began.

“Both have agreed [to attend],” Indonesia’s ambassador to the United Arab Emirates, Husain Bagis, told The National on Friday.

He conceded that “the situation isn’t easy because of the Ukraine-Russia war,” and said that his government is already planning how to manage the arrival of the two leaders. “We are deciding which hotels to put them up in – one for Mr. Putin and one for Mr. Zelensky,” he said.

Biden responds to Putin meeting speculation
Biden responds to Putin meeting speculation
The Kremlin confirmed in June that Putin would attend the summit, although spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Friday that the format of Putin’s participation “is still not defined.” Kiev stated in August that Zelensky “believes that he should be on the territory of Ukraine,” but would “think about” making the trip if Putin were to attend in person.

Today his press secretary, Sergey Nikiforov, in a comment to Ukrainian media, denied the information that Zelensky had decided to visit the G20 summit.

US President Joe Biden and a number of other Western leaders urged Indonesian President Joko Widodo not to invite Putin to the summit in Bali. However, Widodo resisted the pressure campaign and invited the Russian leader as planned. With Widodo having met both Zelensky and Putin earlier this summer in a bid to “invite the two leaders to open dialogue and stop the war,” Bagis told The National that Indonesia aims “to make the G20 a platform for peace, not conflict.”

Biden also appears to have softened his exclusionary stance toward Putin, telling reporters on Thursday that it “remains to be seen” whether he would meet the Russian president on the sidelines of the summit. The State Department quickly stepped in to say that in the view of the entire government, “it cannot be business as usual when it comes to Russia.”

Although Ukraine is not one of the world’s 20 largest economies, Zelensky was invited to Bali as a guest.

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St. Petersburg cancels New Year, Christmas festivities to aid special military operation

It is reported that all available funds will be channeled into a special Saint Petersburg account stipulating extra outfit and gear for volunteers

MOSCOW, October 7. /TASS/. Traditional Christmas and New Year celebrations in Saint Petersburg will be canceled and all previously allocated money for the festivities will be channeled to finance volunteers and mobilized troops of the special military operation in Ukraine, the municipal authorities said in a statement on Friday.

"During a session with Governor Alexander Beglov with members of the municipal administration it was decided to cancel previously scheduled events dedicated to New Year festivities," the statement reads.

"All available funds will be channeled into a special Saint Petersburg [account] stipulating extra outfit and gear for volunteers and mobilized citizens," Beglov said.

It was previously noted that all mobilized people in Saint Petersburg would be paid a bonus of 100,000 rubles (over $1,600), while volunteers would get 300,000 rubles in bonuses (over $4,800).

Mayor of the Russian city of Nizhny Novgorod Yury Shalabayev also stated that previously scheduled New Year and Christmas celebrations, including music concerts and festivities, would be cancelled and all previously allocated financial means would be channeled to aid the families of mobilized Russian nationals.

"I have received numerous questions via social websites from our citizens about planned mass festivities, concerts and fireworks to mark the [upcoming] New Year. My response is no, although we planned them initially," he said.

"However, we will still carry on with New Year celebrations for children and festive events in schools and kindergartens," the mayor of Nizhny Novgorod added.

On September 21, President Vladimir Putin declared a partial mobilization in Russia. Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu clarified that 300,000 reservists would be called up, who would undergo training before being sent to the special military operation zone.

From September 23 to September 27, the DPR and the LPR as well as the Kherson and the Zaporozhye Regions held referendums where the majority of voters opted to join Russia.

On September 30, Russian President Vladimir Putin and the heads of the four regions signed treaties on their accession to Russia.

On October 5, President Putin signed laws on ratifying the accession of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR) as well as of the Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions to Russia following a granted approval from both houses of the Russian parliament - the State Duma and the Federation Council.

[Kryztian]

*elinsky says NATO should use nuclear weapons on Russia first, as a deterrent to their using nuclear weapons. At the same time he is nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize :facepalm:

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‘We are aware this is a break with procedure’: Despite missed deadline, European leaders push for Zelensky to receive Nobel Peace Prize
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/european-leaders-push-for-zelensky-to-receive-nobel-peace-prize-even-though-the-deadline-has-passed-11647614480

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For many reasons, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky would seemingly be a natural candidate for this year’s Nobel Peace Prize. He has not only rallied his people as Russia wages war against his country, but he has also sought out global leaders to support Ukraine during this darkest of times.

There’s just one problem: His efforts have largely come past the Nobel deadline of Jan. 31.

Now, a group of European leaders is petitioning the Nobel Prize committee, asking it to reconsider the deadline and extend it through March 31 so that Zelensky and the Ukrainian people can be nominated for the honor.

“Although we are aware this is a break with procedure, we do believe that this break is justified by the current unprecedented situation,” said the leaders in their letter, which was sent earlier this month. “It is our democratic duty to stand up to authoritarianism and to support a people fighting for democracy and their right to self-government.”

More than 35 leaders signed the letter, including prominent officials from the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Romania, Sweden and Slovakia.

Nobel officials, based in Norway, didn’t respond to a MarketWatch request for comment about the situation.

Certainly, Zelensky fits the profile of past recipients of the Peace Prize, including South Africa’s Nelson Mandela, who led his country out of apartheid, and Myanmar politician and diplomat Aung San Suu Kyi, who has fought for democracy and human rights in her nation.

Among the American recipients of the honor are former Presidents Barack Obama (2009) and Jimmy Carter (2002) and former Vice President Al Gore (2007).

There are other candidates who could be considered for this year’s honor, of course. One shortlist mentioned such possibilities as Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, a human-rights activist in Belarus, and Nataša Kandić, a Serbian political writer and founder of the Humanitarian Law Center.

Still, the leaders behind the recent Nobel petition say that Zelensky and the Ukrainian people stand apart at this moment. And that recognizing them would send an important message to the world.

“The veneer of civilization is paper-thin, we are its guardians and we can never rest,” they wrote.

[Mike Gorman]

Ah, the Nobel Peace Prize, the ultimate honour conferred on individuals who further the cause of peace for humanity, calls for nuclear pre-emptive strikes on Moscow clearly demonstrates just how much Zelensky loves the cause of peace. Just like a previous peace prize winner, Obama who so tirelessly worked toward peace in the world, Zelensky deserves the European society's highest acclaim for his efforts that will result in a peace that you will enjoy, or else! The term 'Phyric Victory' has never been more aptly applied in the case of NATO & the USA deep state's objectives for Ukraine.
Forgive my heavy handed irony, but really, the 'Peace Prize' for Zelensky? They really do think that the people of the world are stupid - what a blatantly hypocritical gesture eh?

[thepainterdoug]

Mike,
what a strong sobering comment about the glaring hypocrisy we all live under. How can the world tolerate this, and yet it seems to do so .
well done sir
pd

[pounamuknight]

Corbett Report:. 'Putin has accomplished everything he set out to prevent'-

https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/riley-waggaman-provides-updates-from#play

Either Waggaman is one of the CIA's many disinfo hacks. Or a dickhead. Neither is mutually exclusive

Within Waggaman's own source (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/putin-signs-decree-toughening-penalties-for-fleeing-russias-military-mobilization/2693846), Russian servicemen who abandon their post during mobilization/combat get 10 years

However, Waggaman turns that upside-down. Going AWOL in combat "means attempting to avoid mandatory vaccination" (https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/russia-begins-vaccinating-mobilized) in his head

Then there's his make-believe hump about Russian troops getting jabbed by force

If you read this guy, you'd think Russia was lining blindfolded prisoners along a wall and shooting them with Sputnik V

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US (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/12/23/more-marines-discharged-over-vaccine-refusal-total-169.html), Germany (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/11/23/german-soldiers-face-vaccine-mandate-covid-cases-rise.html), New Zealand (https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/441066/defence-force-service-members-told-to-get-vaccinated-or-face-being-fired), Canada (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/299-canadian-military-personnel-expelled-for-refusing-to-get-covid-vaccine/2697637) carry out the same kinda vaccination program as Russia (https://gosuchetnik.ru/kadry/obyazatelna-li-vaktsinatsiya-ot-koronavirusa-dlya-voennosluzhashchikh). ie., If you don't get the injection, you get the rejection! Basically, no job. Dismissal from service

Oh yeah, AstraZeneca & Sputnik V; some fatal differences

* AstraZeneca is an adenovirus vax vector-based with chimpanzee DNA (https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/vaxzevria-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca)
* Sputnik V is an adenovirus vax vector-based with human DNA (https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/sputnik-v-vaccine)

But I'm sure Waggaman & AstraZeneca would say there's no monkey business going on

But it's in Waggaman's nasty pseudonym--Edward Slavsquat--where we see a real indication of what he really thinks of the Slavic-Russian world

But but but he's married to a Russian?! So damn what? Slave trader Zephaniah Kingsley married black women, had black concubines- but still enslaved and enriched himself off Afro/Caribbeans. Zelensky is Jewish & Ukrainian, and yet he armed neo-Nazi psychopaths to mass-kill Russo-Ukrainians, for four years and counting
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So take Waggaman's words with a nanoscopic grain of swamp salt

[I am B]

Well, the crimean bridge just exploded.

https://twitter.com/just_whatever/status/1578632792505987072

There are twits saying that it has become a reason for declaring open war. Still have to see about it.

[jaybee]

*elinsky says NATO should use nuclear weapons on Russia first, as a deterrent to their using nuclear weapons. At the same time he is nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize :facepalm:


duh :facepalm:

this 1984 Orwell Quote springs to mind...

“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

I wonder if the promise of a Nobel Peace Prize was one of the carrots dangled before Zelensky when Boris Johnson, then the British PM, was deployed to stop him agreeing to Peace Talks with Russia early into the Special Military Operation..?

That and some thinly veiled threats I expect ... as much as Zelensky is the perfect WEF and Deep State puppet endlessly parading around in his khaki green teashirt... it has to be a bit of a job to keep him going and keep him on task as times goes on...

[lake]

Well, the crimean bridge just exploded.

Three short vids of it:

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[Spiral]

He doesn't look like a guy you would mess with...

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General of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Sergey Surovikin, was put in charge of Russia’s “Special Military Operation” in Ukraine

Surovikin’s nickname within the Russian Armed Forces is Cannibal. He’s known as a tough MF@R, a hardliner

He’s currently in charge of southern group of the Russian Army & led several offensives which saw Ukrainian troops encircled and destroyed in LPR

He’s also largely accredited as the sole reason why the Syrian government was able to regain its territory from ISIS

He does not believe in retreats & does not favour surgical approach to strikes. In Syria, we noticed that his approach was rather “go big or go home” — huge aerial bombardments were his thing

He’s also rumoured to be next in-line to eventually retire Gerasimov as the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces

(Now confirmed)

[Bill Ryan]

He doesn't look like a guy you would mess with...


General of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Sergey Surovikin, was put in charge of Russia’s “Special Military Operation” in Ukraine

Surovikin’s nickname within the Russian Armed Forces is Cannibal. He’s known as a tough MF@R, a hardliner

He’s currently in charge of southern group of the Russian Army & led several offensives which saw Ukrainian troops encircled and destroyed in LPR

He’s also largely accredited as the sole reason why the Syrian government was able to regain its territory from ISIS

He does not believe in retreats & does not favour surgical approach to strikes. In Syria, we noticed that his approach was rather “go big or go home” — huge aerial bombardments were his thing

He’s also rumoured to be next in-line to eventually retire Gerasimov as the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces

(Now confirmed)
For readers who don't have Telegram, here he is: :)

https://t.me/intelslava/38603

intelslava/38603

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My comment referring to Surovikin being General of the Russian Aerospace Forces: it might be very possible that the Russian Air Force, which is extremely powerful but so far barely utilized, will now start to play a much more prominent and decisive role.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Bill Ryan]

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Reports are already coming in that rail traffic can continue uninterrupted, with one lane of the roadway still intact and soon re-opened to traffic. Ferries are also being mobilized, so in practical terms there will be no problem with supplies to or from Crimea.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564284-crimea-bridge-terrorist-ukraine/
Moscow points to Kiev’s ‘terrorist nature’ after bridge explosion


Ukraine’s reaction to the explosion that damaged the Crimean Bridge speaks to the “terrorist nature” of its leadership, Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has said. The bridge was closed for traffic after a truck blew up early on Saturday.

“The reaction of the Kiev regime to the destruction of civilian infrastructure testifies to its terrorist nature,” Zakharova wrote on Telegram several hours after the blast.

Ukrainian officials have stopped short of claiming responsibility for the explosion, but an aide to President Vladimir Zelensky, Mikhail Podoliak, warned on Twitter earlier that what happened at the bridge, called the Kerch Bridge, was “just the beginning.”

Ukraine’s Defense Ministry also tweeted that “the guided missile cruiser Moskva and the Kerch Bridge – two notorious symbols of Russian power in Ukrainian Crimea – have gone down. What’s next in line, russkies [Russians]?”

Russia’s Black Sea flagship Moskva sank off the coast of Odessa in April. According to Moscow, a fire broke out on board, causing the detonation of ammunition. However, Kiev claimed to have struck the cruiser.

Crimean Bridge explosion 'just the beginning,’ Ukraine warns
Crimean Bridge explosion 'just the beginning,’ Ukraine warns
Various Ukrainian officials have promised to attack the Kerch Bridge, which connects the Russian peninsula of Crimea to the country’s Krasnodar Region, on several occasions since the conflict between Moscow and Kiev broke out in late February.

The blast on Europe’s longest bridge occurred at around 6am local time, leading to a partial collapse of the road on the part of the bridge used by vehicles. A blaze also broke out on the parallel rail section, where seven fuel tanks caught fire.

Russia’s National Anti-Terrorism Committee said that a truck blew up as it was traveling along the 19-km-long structure. CCTV videos from the scene also showed a vehicle exploding.

The fire has already been extinguished, and the damage caused by the blast is being assessed. The Crimean authorities said that ferry service would be provided while the bridge is being repaired.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

A little more background about Army General Sergey Surovikin

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1578720381967298562
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Now they say the FSB did it!

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[ExomatrixTV]

Zelensky Calls For Nuclear First Strikes Against Russia:

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky dramatically upped the rhetorical ante this week by calling for NATO to launch pre-emptive nuclear strikes against Russia, in order to prevent the Russians from launching their own nuclear strikes. The statement was so insanely and unnecessarily provocative that the t-shirt clad leader immediately walked it back, his lackeys claiming that Zelensky had only been talking about increasing sanctions on Russia. So what if that makes absolutely no sense? Jimmy and America’s Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss Zelensky’s out-of-pocket suggestion that would likely bring about World War III and global nuclear armageddon.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

https://sputniknews.com/20221008/zaporozhye-nuclear-plant-shelling-just-cost-kiev-20-of-its-traditional-sources-of-electricity-1101643030.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Zaporozhye Nuclear Plant Shelling Just Cost Kiev 20% of Its Traditional Sources of Electricity


After falling into the Russian military’s hands in March, the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) has been subjected to months of shelling attacks by Ukrainian forces. Late last month, the last of the plant’s six reactors was disconnected from the grid to minimize risks caused by incessant bombardment.



Ukraine’s national energy grid has lost access to about a fifth of its traditional sources of electricity supplies, with Zaporozhye regional government member Vladimir Rogov announcing Saturday that Ukrainian shelling had damaged the final high-voltage transmission line linking the NPP to the grid.
“Last night, the last high-voltage power transmission line connecting the plant to the power system of Ukraine was damaged and disconnected as a result of shelling by Ukrainian forces,” Rogov said.
The plant has switched to operation using diesel generators, he added.
International Atomic Energy Agency chief Rafael Grossi announced later in the day Saturday that he would visit Russia and Ukraine “to agree on a nuclear safety and security protection zone around the plant,” and dubbed the shelling which struck the plant’s sole source of external power a “tremendously irresponsible” action. As per established IAEA policy, Grossi did not name the culprits behind the shelling attacks.
Also on Saturday, the Russian military reported that the city of Energodar and the ZNPP were shelled twice by the Ukrainian military using Grad multiple launch rocket systems, with a total of 15 rockets fired from the Ukrainian-controlled settlement of Marganets in Dnepropetrovsk region.
Saturday morning’s shelling attacks came just two days after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky warned that Kiev may soon be forced to stop selling electricity supplies to Europe.
“We won’t have enough to heat our homes. And that time is approaching,” Zelensky said, speaking to Australian officials on Thursday. “We talk all the time about the risks of blackouts. It could be days, weeks,” he added.

The ZNPP and its six VVER-1000/320 reactors, ordinarily generating up to 38,000 Gigawatt hours (GWh) of electrical power, once accounted for about 20 percent of Ukraine’s electricity needs, and some 45 percent of the electricity generated by the nation’s nuclear power plants.
The Russian-administered portion of Zaporozhye region became part of the Russian Federation late last month following a status referendum held between September 23-27 in which 93 percent of residents voted in favor of joining Russia.
Friday’s self-inflicted snipping the ZNPP’s final link to Ukraine’s grid threatens to undermine Zelensky’s ambitious energy swap plans. Throughout the spring and summer, he proposed trading electricity generated by nuclear power for natural gas, and sought to woo foreign investors by selling Ukraine as an untapped energy source that could help Europe address its shortages.
As recently as last month, Zelensky boasted that Ukraine could become a hub for “green energy” in Europe by increasing electricity exports to EU countries. “For this [to take place], it is important that the ZNPP returns to a safe mode of operation and remains connected to the Ukrainian energy grid,” he said. “Even now, with all the difficulties, we can export such a volume of electricity that corresponds to at least 8 percent of the consumption of entire Italy,” he said.
“Our country has a huge natural potential for developing opportunities in green energy and in production of green hydrogen. This is a potential of tens, and possibly hundreds of green gigawatts of electric power and millions of tons of green hydrogen,” Zelensky added.

At the same time, Zelensky warned Ukrainians to brace for the “most difficult” winter in the country’s history, announcing a halt in gas and coal exports, and advising the public to stock up on warm clothes and blankets to prepare for the cold season.
Kiev’s European sponsors are themselves bracing for unprecedented energy shortages sparked by the shortsighted decision to cut themselves off from Russian oil, gas, electricity and coal supplies, and cemented by the unprecedented sabotage attacks against the Nord Stream pipelines.
Last week, European gas infrastructure operator association GIE warned that gas offtake from the region’s underground storage sites had recently begun to exceed supplies being put into storage. Separately, the International Energy Agency indicated that storage would drop to 5 percent of capacity by February if Russian supplies remained cut off and deliveries of LNG were not significantly expanded.
With Europe facing energy shortages of its own and unlikely to share, and Kiev slashing its own access to Russian-sourced energy, it’s unclear how Ukraine will make up for the shortfalls this winter. Even before the escalation of the security crisis this February, successive pro-Western governments’ IMF-authored reforms had driven many Ukrainians into energy poverty, with millions resorting to wood and peat-burning stoves.

[Spiral]

RE the Crimea Bridge explosion;

The guy driving the truck was known for doing "dodgy" transport stuff, probably cash in hand but nothing properly criminal, if the explosion did in fact come from the truck & wasn't a missile or planted explosive device then he was tricked into transporting what he believed was fertiliser, but was in fact a huge amount of explosives.

Fertilisers have been used as part of explosives to deadly effect by the IRA for years, they are the oxygenating part, it also needs a fuel, even just diesel & a detonator.

Explosions are basically fires that burn extremely fast, an RAF armourer once explained to me.

[ExomatrixTV]

Russian Marines destroy 43 Ukrainian 24th Mechanized Brigade Tank near Kherson!:

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Russian UAVs and Grenades Destroy 87 Ukrainian Soldiers in Forest Area!:

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Russian Army Blast 65 Ukrainian M777 Howitzer in Kherson!:

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Kind a weird to see a Pro Nato Pro Ukrainian sharing these videos, they even say: "Enemy Forces" destroyed Ukrainian Nato Weaponry .... etc. etc.


There are so much more Pro-Nato Pro-Ukrainian videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHJZdmOqPc1xPlrpIFQWHog/videos) openly admitting their losses!

See for yourself here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHJZdmOqPc1xPlrpIFQWHog/videos) ... I wonder why they do that ... anyone?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Snoweagle]

Many Happy Returns to President Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin :fans:

Putin was born on 7 October 1952 in Leningrad, Soviet Union (now Saint Petersburg, Russia), the youngest of three children of Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin (1911–1999) and Maria Ivanovna Putina (née Shelomova; 1911–1998).

Nobody is blocked from engaging in the celebrations :-)

All lives matter :-)

PS I know it was yesterday, thanks in advance . . .

[Michel Leclerc]

Replying to Exomatrix’s query:

To generate among the collaborating Western populations understanding and sympathy for a "defensive" first tactical nuclear strike ? -- while making the demonstrable attribution to any specific Nato party difficult (cf. similar strikes made by the Entity on Syrian military installations.)

A question for the Saker, maybe..

[Snoweagle]

Russian Marines destroy 43 Ukrainian 24th Mechanized Brigade Tank near Kherson!:



Russian UAVs and Grenades Destroy 87 Ukrainian Soldiers in Forest Area!:




Russian Army Blast 65 Ukrainian M777 Howitzer in Kherson!:



Kind a weird to see a Pro Nato Pro Ukrainian sharing these videos, they even say: "Enemy Forces" destroyed Ukrainian Nato Weaponry .... etc. etc.


There are so much more Pro-Nato Pro-Ukrainian videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHJZdmOqPc1xPlrpIFQWHog/videos) openly admitting their losses!

See for yourself here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHJZdmOqPc1xPlrpIFQWHog/videos) ... I wonder why they do that ... anyone?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

The three selected movies are all jibberish.

All disassociated references, confusing direction, terrible participle abuse of the english grammar, unsuitable for factual research. Rewriting history by the loser.

Am surprised they passed your scrutiny John?

Did you also hear the Nordstream pipeline is in actual fact open too

The russians will probably be in place by the end of the month with their new campaign, so much is happening daily.

[Vicus]

NATO should give Ukraine ‘everything we have’ – member state
While Lithuania doesn’t have enough weapons to donate, Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis thinks everyone else should

NATO countries should arm Ukraine with all available weapons, Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis told Ukrainian media on Saturday. However, he expects the alliance’s other members to foot the bill.

“Ukraine needs ‘everything we have,’” Landsbergis told Ukrinform, arguing that the Ukrainian military is already capable of working with the alliance’s arsenal now that its troops are receiving training in multiple European countries.

While the US has supplied Ukraine with increasingly powerful weaponry, some of its NATO allies have balked at handing over certain arms systems. Germany, for example, refuses to send its most modern Leopard II main battle tanks for fear of causing further escalation. Even in Washington, Pentagon officials have argued that Ukrainian troops would need substantial training to operate Western tanks.

Landsbergis insisted that “these arguments no longer work,” after a series of successful offenses by Kiev’s forces, which are increasingly armed with NATO weapons.

“If this is so, I see no reason why Ukraine should not be given everything we have?” the minister said. “I have already said this many times and now I will say it again.”

Landsbergis has emerged as one of the most vocally anti-Russian ministers in the EU in the months since Moscow sent its forces into Ukraine. He has threatened Lithuanian entertainers with reprisals for performing in Russia, supported an EU-wide ban on all visas for Russians, and called on NATO to pursue the military defeat of Russia rather than seek a negotiated settlement to the Ukraine conflict.

However, his own military has little to give Ukraine. Landsbergis told Ukrinform that he would only provide “political arguments” for arming Kiev’s forces, as Lithuania does not have its own “significant stockpile of weapons.”

While Ukraine has repeatedly called for more and heavier weapons from the West, EU stockpiles are running low, with Germany’s stocks already exhausted as of early September. Although US President Joe Biden has vowed to keep the arms pipeline open for “as long as it takes,” the US is reportedly cautious about delivering more advanced weapons systems.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said last week that Russia is now facing “the entire Western military machine” in Ukraine. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has also warned that “the US, in fact, is teetering on the brink of turning into a party to the conflict” due to its lavish assistance to Kiev.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564314-lithuania-nato-weapons-ukraine/

[Vicus]

Kiev amasses troops on Donbass border – official

Ukraine has sent a lot of manpower and hardware to the area, the LPR’s head representative in Moscow has warned

Kiev has deployed some 40,000 troops to the border with the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), which recently became part of Russia, the LPR's top representative in Moscow, Rodion Miroshnik, has said.

“In the areas where attempts of a breakthrough are being made [by Kiev's forces], large quantities of manpower and hardware have been concentrated on the Ukrainian side,” Miroshnik said during an appearance on the Soloviev Live program on YouTube on Friday.

According to estimates by the LPR’s forces, “we’re talking about 40,000 men,” the official added.

Kiev’s troops have been gathering to the north and northwest of the LPR, as well as in the area around the town of Krasny Liman in the Donetsk People’s Republic, from where Russian forces withdrew a week ago amid a Ukrainian offensive, Miroshnik added.

On Wednesday, President Vladimir Putin signed into law unification treaties with the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, officially making them part of Russia. The four territories overwhelmingly supported the move during referendums in late September.

Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014. Former Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko has since admitted that Kiev’s main goal was to use the ceasefire to buy time and “create powerful armed forces.”

In February 2022, the Kremlin recognized the Donbass republics as independent states and demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join any Western military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564289-ukraine-lugansk-troops-miroshnik/

[ExomatrixTV]

Russian Marines destroy 43 Ukrainian 24th Mechanized Brigade Tank near Kherson!



Russian UAVs and Grenades Destroy 87 Ukrainian Soldiers in Forest Area!:



Russian Army Blast 65 Ukrainian M777 Howitzer in Kherson!:

Kind a weird to see a Pro Nato Pro Ukrainian sharing these videos, they even say: "Enemy Forces" destroyed Ukrainian Nato Weaponry .... etc. etc.



There are so much more Pro-Nato Pro-Ukrainian videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHJZdmOqPc1xPlrpIFQWHog/videos) openly admitting their losses!


See for yourself here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHJZdmOqPc1xPlrpIFQWHog/videos) ... I wonder why they do that ... anyone?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

The three selected movies are all jibberish.

All disassociated references, confusing direction, terrible participle abuse of the english grammar, unsuitable for factual research. Rewriting history by the loser.

Am surprised they passed your scrutiny John?

Did you also hear the Nordstream pipeline is in actual fact open too

The russians will probably be in place by the end of the month with their new campaign, so much is happening daily.


I did not claim nor assume any "accuracy" I just found it really weird how a Pro Ukranian Pro Nato YT channel share their losses from Russian attacks ... that's all.

[Snoweagle]

Replying to Exomatrix’s query:

To generate among the collaborating Western populations understanding and sympathy for a "defensive" first tactical nuclear strike ? -- while making the demonstrable attribution to any specific Nato party difficult (cf. similar strikes made by the Entity on Syrian military installations.)

A question for the Saker, maybe..

Agreed. "Muddying the water" of facts. Rancid evil.

It would not surprise me if a nuke event took place in the west, by a device already in place. Self inflicted.

I suppose the game plan for that is already prepped by the Deep State media.

There's something new everyday.

The exposure continues.

This is why it was weird.

CENSORING IN THE EU APPROVED

https://rumble.com/v1n5lno-censoring-in-the-eu-approved.html

The lady sums it up very well.

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting photo, the best I've seen, showing the damage to the Kerch Bridge.

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/colonelcassad/19281164/3379220/3379220_900.jpg

There's still some informed, interesting debate about exactly what happened, how and why. It's spectacular and dramatic, of course, and all about PR, but militarily it's trivial and with rail and road transport already restored it will make almost no difference of any kind.

There are far more important things happening on the battlefield right now (the almost certain imminent capture by the Russians of Bakhmut, a key strategic tipping point), and the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage, not nearly as photogenic as a damaged bridge but geopolitically and economically infinitely more critical.

[rgray222]

Full video of the Kerch Bridge being blown up: (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008573289/crimea-bridge-explosion.html)

The source is the New York Times

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1578870574654554112
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https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1578872353614098434
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https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-100000-slaughtered-with-axes-pitchforks-scythes-and-knives-the-wolyn-massacre-started-76-years-ago-today-and-lasted-for-two-years-6714

The article is from July 2019
Over 100,000 slaughtered with axes, pitchforks, scythes and knives: The Wołyń massacre started 76 years ago today and lasted for two years

Polish victims of a massacre committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in the village of Lipniki, Wołyń, 1943.
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Today marks 76 years since the coordinated attack by Ukrainian nationalists on 99 Polish towns and villages in Wołyń.

Between 1943 and 1945, members of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army massacred thousands of Poles throughout Wołyń, a region that was in Nazi-occupied Poland and is part of present-day Ukraine.

Throughout the period, it is estimated that around 100,000 Poles died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists. As part of retaliatory actions, Poles killed between 15,000 and 20,000 Ukrainians.

On June 16th, 1944, the UPA attacked a train carrying women and children. Few survived.
IPN

The killings were directly linked with radical Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

Their goal was to purge all non-Ukrainians from a future Ukrainian state. They wanted not only to purge Polish civilians, but also to erase all traces of Polish presence in the area.

The prelude to the murders of the Polish population in Wołyń was carried out on 9 February 1943 by a unit of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which murdered 173 Poles in the village of Parośla I by tying up the victims and slaughtering them with axes.

Ukrainian attacks against Poles intensified on 11 July 1943. At the crack of dawn that day Ukrainian insurgent detachments, supported by local Ukrainians, simultaneously surrounded and attacked 99 Polish villages in the Kowel, Włodzimierz Wołyński, Horochów and Łuck districts. The Ukrainians ruthlessly slaughtered Polish civilians and destroyed their homes.

Villages were burned to the ground and property was looted. Researchers estimate that on that day alone the number of Polish victims may have amounted to some 8,000 people, mostly women, children, and the elderly.

The genocidal massacre carried out on that day has gone down in history under the name of Bloody Sunday, and it was undoubtedly one of the darkest chapters of the Wołyń Crime.

In 2011, archaeologists found human remains of around 300 people at a collective grave in the village of Ostówek in Ukraine where they were massacred in 1943 by the UPA.
Darek Delmanowicz/PAP

This coordinated operation lasted until July 16th, but the massacres still continued. In July 1943 alone, 530 Polish villages were cleared of their residents and burned. Only a minority managed to escape.

A new wave of massacres took place in early 1944 that took advantage of the withdrawal of the German army.

Between 1943 and 1945, Poles were murdered in 1865 in places in Wołyń. The biggest massacres took place in Wola Ostrowiecka, where 628 Poles were murdered, in Gaj – 600, in Ostrówki – 521 and Kolodno – 516.

Laying a wreath at the Wołyń monument in Warsaw today, President Andrzej Duda said: “If we are talking today about the building of relations between our nations, between the Polish and Ukrainian people, between our states - and let me stress here, that we want (...) these to be the best possible relations - there is one thing known for sure. We need remembrance so that what happened then, will never repeat itself between our nations and our people.”
Tomasz Gzell/PAP

The murders were committed with incredible cruelty. Many were burnt alive or thrown into wells. Axes, pitchforks, scythes, knives and other farming tools rather than guns were used in an attempt to make the massacres look like a spontaneous peasant uprising.

In the blood frenzy, the Ukrainians tortured their victims with unimaginable bestiality. Victims were scalped. They had their noses, lips and ears cut off. They had their eyes gouged out and hands cut off and they had their heads squashed in clamps. Woman had their breasts cut off and pregnant woman were stabbed in the belly. Men had their genitals sliced off with sickles.

In the opinion of the historian Prof. Grzegorz Motyka, an expert on Polish-Ukrainian issues, “although the anti-Polish action was an ethnic cleansing, it also meets the definition of genocide”.

Wołyń is a region that was in Nazi-occupied Poland and is now part of present-day Ukraine.
Public domain

To commemorate the massacre, in 2016 the Polish parliament instituted the National Day of Remembrance of the Victims of Genocide committed by Ukrainian nationalists against citizens of the Second Republic of Poland, at the same time labelling the massacres an act of genocide.

Laying a wreath at the Wołyń Massacre memorial in Warsaw today, President Andrzej Duda said that Poland wanted Polish-Ukrainian relations to be as good as possible.

"If we are talking today about the building of relations between our nations, between the Polish and Ukrainian people, between our states - and let me stress here, that we want (...) these to be the best possible relations - there is one thing known for sure. We need remembrance so that what happened then, will never repeat itself between our nations and our people.”

The killings were directly linked with radical Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.
Public domain

He added: "The Ukrainian side should permit the exhumations, which are necessary to mark the graves, so that the descendants (of victims) can know the places, where they can go to light a candle. And this is the condition under which the massacre could be commemorated in Volhynia.”

"Last year, I paid homage to the victims in Volhynia, where once there were Polish villages and towns, where people were murdered, and where nearly nothing has been left after these terrible developments. That is why last year a wreath was laid simply on a field, where once there were Polish farms.”

[Tintin]

Published in Global Orthodox (https://gorthodox.com/en/news-item/escaping-ukraine-fleeing-to-russia-three-refugee-families-interviewed-by-american-orthodox-priest) back in June of this year here are interviews that Father Joseph Gleason conducted with refugees from Ukraine.

As it was linked by Eva Bartlett via her Telegram (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/9226) channel I think it appropriate to at least mention this by way of a foreword that Eva has shared:



"...As you know, the West has been lying about Russia for around 1000 years now. So it’s nothing new. Anti-Russian propaganda is as old as the Great Schism. A lot of it is no doubt deliberate. And, sadly, a lot more of it is probably not deliberate — no doubt, a lot of American sources are probably just parroting *other* American sources, assuming that they are correct (even though they are not).

On top of that, Russian sources are being actively censored and blocked from the eyes of the American public. So innocent readers look at a lot of different sources (all with the same bias), figure that "all" the sources are saying the same thing, and conclude that they must be correct. This is how Western propaganda works.

I have personally interviewed some refugees from Donbass, who tell a different story:"

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Escaping Ukraine, Fleeing to Russia, Three Refugee Families Interviewed by American Orthodox Priest - June 17th, 2022

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Sergei & Liya, with their children Evgeny and Ekaterina, were living in Volnovakha, a town of over 20,000 people in the Donbass region of Ukraine. They had been present for the referendum, when nearly 90% of the region's residents voted to cut ties with Ukraine. They survived the Maidan revolution of 2014 and the eight years of military hostilities that followed afterwards. In February 2022, when Russian troops entered the area to liberate the region from the neverending Ukrainian attacks, the Ukrainian military responded with even heavier shelling of the area. This family's hometown has now been almost completely destroyed.

Sergei & Liya needed a safe place for their family to live, and they didn't want to stay in the Donbass region any longer. Now refugees, they made the decision to settle in Russia. They came to Yaroslavl, one of the key cities in Russia's Golden Ring.

This is where I met them, in a village not far from Yaroslavl. Finally able to sleep at night, no longer waking up to the sounds of shelling and gunfire, they seemed peaceful, content. Sergei and Liya proceeded to tell me what their life had been like, while still living in the Donbass region:

Liya: Our family, of course, didn't live through all the horrors that touched the residents of Mariupol and Volnovakha. You could say we were lucky. Despite this, it was still very scary, and we finally decided to leave.

Fr. Joseph: Is it still dangerous there?

Liya: Yeah, there's still shots flying over there.

Sergei: The shots and misslles keep flying over the town of Volnovakha. They tell us when people die. Just on Monday some reports said that two or three were hit, other reports say four people are dead. And all the time there are strikes...

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Sergei & Liya, with their children Evgeny and Ekaterina

Fr. Joseph: How long has it been dangerous to be there? Just recently, or for many years?

Sergei: It was dangerous in 2014, when the Ukrainian soldiers were riding APCs through the village, with machine guns sticking out in every direction.

Fr. Joseph: Before Maidan, before 2014, was Ukraine a peaceful place to live?

Sergei: Yes, relatively safe.

Fr. Joseph: So the danger did not only begin in February this year.

Liya: In addition, we can say that we were there for the referendum, for the independence of the Donestk and Lugansk republics. We saw it, and there were a lot of people. There were just endless crowds in every locality. In our particular region, only about 13 percent were against it, and all the rest were for it, it was close to ninety percent. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian news claimed that there was no referendum. Later, they claimed that there was one, but that no one came, and that everyone was against it. That’s what I heard on the news, but I saw what was really happening, I was involved myself. I saw it, and I told my children not to leave the house at that time, because it was dangerous.

Fr. Joseph: And that was in 2014.

Liya: Yes, 2014.

Fr. Joseph: So, the trouble didn't start this year, the trouble started in 2014. Now, was it only difficult for that one year, or did it continue to be dangerous and troublesome all the way up until this year?

Liya: The bottom line here is this. For everyone who was involved in politics, it was more dangerous for them, and the danger built up gradually over time. The Maidan revolution happened in 2014. And what we saw in 2014 was a group of people making a mess — the same group that is making it a mess today. They say, "It's all about freedom, everything will be fine, we're for freedom, we're with the EU." All right, you go to the EU, and we will go to Russia. But no, they said you can't go to Russia.

And so when they were leaving, I was working for a company, and they offered for me to go to Austria. I said, I'm not going to Austria, because I would then have to leave my husband and son in Ukraine, so I'm not going through Ukraine. "All right, go through Russia." I said, I won't go through Russia either, I'll stay in Russia. "Why? You understand if you live in Russia with your family, there won't be a future for your children." I asked why? "Because now in Europe, Russian students and those who live in Russia, even if they are not Russian by passport, they are kicked out — there was one particular girl in the EU, and just because she was Russian, they wouldn't let her go to school." I told them that I don't want to live in a society where these things are happening, because that is Nazism itself.

Fr. Joseph: So, what was your reaction whenever Russian troops actually entered your country? Were you thinking this is a terrible thing, or were you thinking this is a good thing? Were you thinking it would be better if it had never happened? What is your reaction to the military operation?

Liya: We have been waiting eight years for something like this, because when it all started in 2014, we thought our people would be supported. We thought we would go through this once, and then we would all be in Russia. And yet it was dragging on for eight years, Ukraine kept screaming that the slightest thing, any problem anywhere, was all because of "Putin", it was all because of "the Russians". We were so tired of it that we were already waiting for the horrible end, rather than there being no end in sight. They kept testing Russia. Around the twentieth of February this year, shots were being heard on our territory, that is from us, from our side, from Ukraine in the Donetsk Republic. My daughter was at home, and I was scared to let her go. I said, "Stay at home, because something serious is going on." And indeed, on the twenty-fourth we woke up to the sound of gunshots. To say that it was some kind of horror - no, more like astonishment, "O God, really, finally the truth?"

Fr. Joseph: So you're basically saying the military operation didn't just start in February, but has been going on ever since 2014.

Sergei: We've heard these bursts all the time, we've seen the occasional glow of shelling, so for us, we're kind of used to it.

Liya: We didn't even pay attention to it.

Fr. Joseph: For the sake of readers in America and in England, how would you describe the connection between Russian history and Ukrainian history? Are they different in the same way that Germany is different from England, and France is different from Italy? Are Russians and Ukrainians distinct peoples with separate histories, languages, and cultures?

Liya: Look, the history of Ukraine and Russia is so intertwined that it's hard to separate it. Even Kiev is called the mother of all Russian cities. How does one divide it? Even considering the current territory of Ukraine today, there have been such movements of people, such mixing, that I can't even say who has what nationality.

Fr. Joseph: It's a tricky subject, yes.

Liya: I'd probably say that Russia and Ukraine have one history, because if you try to divide it up, then each province would have a different history. What's actually much different is Western Ukraine. When they speak Ukrainian, you know, then we have "two" languages — not one Ukrainian language, but essentially two. Sometimes we match and we understand each other. And there are a lot of different words, so there are times that we don't understand them. They're probably more like a dialect of Russian to us. Of course, they are more Catholic and Western, while we are Orthodox.

Again, it's more of a political thing, this one, Philaret [Denisenko (https://web.archive.org/web/20220607123719/https://orthochristian.com/116586.html)], what's the right way to call him... metropolitan, yes. Yes, he is a schismatic, he was anathematized, but, read the history of his activities, it is very politicized. What horrified me, when Maidan started, after Maidan, when there was fighting, he stood, it was shown on TV, he stood in front of people, in church, and said, "Don't feel sorry for those people who are in Donbass. You don't have to feel sorry for them." They're being shelled, and then here is a metropolitan, a priest speaking. We look at it with our own eyes as a clergyman says these things. And people are listening and nodding, "Yeah, that's it, that means it's right." This "priest" [Philaret] is scary. There is an Alley of Angels in Donetsk, yes, there are names, pictures, of children who died. It turns out they deserved it, according to him.

Fr. Joseph: So, there are some people in the West who try to present the Ukrainian Orthodox Church as if it is oppressed and under the control of Moscow, and as if they need freedom from that. Patriarch Bartholomew claims, as you know, that he had the authority to take Ukraine away from the Moscow Patriarchate, and he started this new thing called the "Orthodox Church of Ukraine". So now they claim that the church in Ukraine is free, because now Ukraine can have its own national church that's not connected in any way to Russia. How do you feel about these claims made by Patriarch Bartholomew and by many people in the West?

Liya: Well, frankly, it seems to me that people in Ukraine who think they are fighting for freedom, including the Ukrainian church, they don't understand what freedom is. To them, "freedom" is to follow the West. That is, it is essentially to sit at the post of the master. I don't consider it freedom. Real freedom is independence, real independence. Because, we lean toward Russia not because it has better living conditions, or favorable conditions, or some other reason, but because we consider ourselves to be one people. I mean, that's what it's all about.

Fr. Joseph: So, for religion, for the Orthodox Church, do you feel like Patriarch Bartholomew and this new Ukrainian church [the "Orthodox Church of Ukraine"], do you think it has helped things, or has it made them worse?

Liya: Well, of course it has made things worse. But tell me, in America, in the Protestant church, among Protestant clergy, how do they feel about this LGBT movement and homosexuality? How do they react to it?

Fr. Joseph: So, there are many thousands of different Protestants. So many different opinions. Sadly, some of the bigger Protestant churches have decided to agree with LGBT. And so, in some of the churches, you will have a Lesbian "priestess" or a homosexual "pastor" of a church, and it's horrible. But, there are also many churches in America that are Protestant, where they say this is terrible. They say, "We should not accept this. Marriage is only between one man and one woman." And so they're teaching better things. There are just so many different kinds of Protestants in America. So you have both. It's confusion. A lot of confusion.

Liya: Yeah, we keep forgetting that Protestantism goes in so many different directions. For us, there's Orthodoxy, there's Catholics, and there's Protestants. And it keeps slipping our minds that Protestantism is so multi-faceted.

Fr. Joseph: They think the only truth is "I, myself."

Liya: Yes, yes, yes.

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Next, I spoke with Andrey, Natalia, and their nine children, who were living in Berdyansk, by the sea of Azov.

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Andrey: We are from Zaporizhzhia region, from the city of Berdyansk, on the Sea of Azov. We had our own plans for life. I worked in construction. I even spent some time in Poland . . . I saw the Western model, how they see the world, and how they think. Even though Poland is not as messed up yet [as other Western countries], I still saw the LGBT community loyalty. Of course, for a normal person, such things are unacceptable.

I remember when the hostilities began. Initially, we didn’t run anywhere, we weren't hiding in basements, I don't know, we were calm inside, and just watching how it was... We lived near the sea, right near the port, and a Russian ship was blown up five hundred meters away from us. A lot of people died there, one hundred and fifty people wounded were brought to the hospital, ammunition was fired, and it kept on going for two days. There were other warships there that were damaged too. The anxiety was there... then they cut off our gas.

We were sitting there with no lights, no gas, cold.

Yeah, then they turned it off altogether, the whole town switched to electricity, and then the power grid couldn't handle it anymore. We had a big gas tank there, I made a stove in the barn, you know, we have a big family, we needed some source of heating. Then we got electricity, we had an electric oven and we baked bread there.

I went to fetch water from the store. We have no such water in town, we only have store-bought, purified water. I go in, and there is bread in the store. Well, my wife was sitting in the car, so I took two loaves. Good thing I had a certificate showing that I have a large family, I carried it with me all the time.

So I go to the cash register, and there's a guy who runs up and says, "Well, whose two loaves of bread did you take?" I said, "What do you mean? I have a big family, so I got two." He says, "No!" and rips it right out of my hand, but it's the shopkeeper. He took the bread right out of my hands. I said, "Are you a normal person? There's my wife sitting right there in the car." He says, "No, put it down," and that's it. And then I showed him my document.

So, there are people standing in lines for bread, and people are angry. I would like to say that this time of hardship shows who is who in this world.

Fr. Joseph: Why did you decide to bring your family to Russia?

Andrey: In Ukraine, when people disagree with what the authorities are doing, they are dealt with by the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine). They just come and take a person away, and that’s it. Nobody knows where he is.

The regime, the power omnipresent, the first thing it did was remove the opposition — information channels that were covering certain aspects of society. That was the first signal that the state was becoming authoritarian, and nothing good would come of it. It's not democracy anymore. Although, if we talk about democracy, the democracy of Western countries is not democracy either. It's also authoritarianism. And as a result, we have come to war — to a war that is taking people's lives.

Fr. Joseph: So, once the fighting stops, what is your hope for the future? Do all of you want to go back to Ukraine where you were, or are you wanting to stay here?

Andrey: If we ever went back, it would only be to visit. When we were there last, there was an explosion at 2:30 in the morning, and that was it — we were done. We got our backpacks ready, we packed everything. As we decided to reconsider our options of where to move, we turned our attention to Yaroslavl. We started looking at the region, looking at how it's doing economically, how it's doing culturally, and how much development is going on there. We saw that it really is a really good region, plus it's in the golden ring.

Everything was already arranged for us in advance. We were met by people by minibus at night. We were picked up, brought to a hotel, slept there overnight, and cleaned up in the morning. The car came again, another one. We were taken to the canteen, we had breakfast, everything was organized for us, and the United Russia deputy in Yaroslavl — Anton Anatolievich Kopralov — is a very nice man. He organized everything for us. And thank goodness, everything is wonderful, it’s hard to complain. We're starting to work a little bit, we're earning money. It’s a good experience.

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A further comment from Father Joseph Gleason:


"I personally know Eva Bartlett, a journalist from Canada, who is currently present in Donbass. I have met her in person. She has visited my family in my house here in Russia. Currently, she sends daily reports from the Donbass area. Her Reality Theories Telegram channel has nearly 30,000 subscribers. She shares photos and videos from directly onsite. She shows that the Ukrainian military has been brutalizing its own people, and that the majority of local people are very grateful to have the Russian military liberate them and protect them. Eva, too, has been villianized by the Western media.

Add everything up, and I agree that there is a lot of propaganda out there. I just don’t think it’s coming from Russia...."

[Bill Ryan]

Warning: this is only a few seconds, but may be hard to watch. :flower:

https://t.me/azmilitary11/24049

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[Ravenlocke]

Warning: this is only a few seconds, but may be hard to watch. :flower:

https://t.me/azmilitary11/24049

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Sadly AZgeopolitics deleted their tweets because they say ,

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1579104307248791552
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Dear followers we deleted all of our previous tweets on Twitter because we were expecting coordinated NAFO virgins attack...

Thank you for your understanding,you are liek a big family to us🤝 🙌 🫶...


But the Readovka reported on the above cruel purge killings


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Putin to hold Security Council meeting on October 10 - Kremlin

Dmitry Peskov did not specify whether the situation with the Crimean bridge would be discussed at the meeting

MOSCOW, October 9. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold an operational meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council on Monday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told TASS.

"Tomorrow the President is scheduled to hold a meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council," he said.

Peskov did not specify whether the situation with the Crimean bridge would be discussed at the meeting. "We'll let you know following the results [of the meeting]," he said.

On Saturday morning, a truck exploded on the Crimean Bridge, collapsing two eastbound parts of its road section and subsequently setting ablaze a train of fuel tanks on a separate, adjacent rail portion of the bridge. As a result of the blast, three people were killed. A government commission chaired by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin was set up after the incident. Rail traffic has been restored on the bridge, which was also partly reopened for buses and automobiles.

Putin regularly holds operational meetings with the Security Council, as a rule they a held on a weekly basis.

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About 5,000 Polish mercenaries amassed at Zaporozhye engagement line, says official

They are present at the most important and necessary sections of the combat engagement line, chairman of the We Are Together with Russia movement Vladimir Rogov said
MOSCOW, October 9. /TASS/. The number of Polish mercenaries amassed at the engagement line in the Zaporozhye Region amounts to 5,000 militants, Vladimir Rogov, chairman of the We Are Together with Russia movement, said in a live broadcast on the Komsomolskaya Pravda radio station on Sunday.

"If we speak about Poles, there are apparently several thousands of them at the Zaporozhye engagement line in terms of their number," he said.

"It is understandable that they are not at the forefront. That is, they are present only at the most important and necessary sections of the combat engagement line, the frontline, but, nonetheless, their number reaches already 5,000 in the Zaporozhye Region, according to various estimates," Rogov said.

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[Tintin]

Here's a charming piece of film about Father Joseph Gleason who I mentioned a little earlier here in this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1521888&viewfull=1#post1521888):

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Father_Joseph_Gleason_filmed.mp4

Fr. Joseph Gleason, an American priest who relocated to Russia with his wife and eight children. Father Joseph runs the Russian Faith website (https://russian-faith.com/orthodox-church-standing-way-new-world-order-n3982), aiding those who are exploring the faith. Unlike in the Catholic church, Orthodox priests are allowed to marry and have a family.

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From Intel_Slava_Z Telegram channel, and interesting comment re the actual likely intended target. One can clearly see that the bridge has not been damaged:

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[Tintin]

Clearly intensified efforts by Russian forces are now quite obviously directly aimed at Ukraine regime infrastructure and have stepped up exponentially today, October 10:

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No apologies from me for the seeming barrage here this morning; nothing is being glorified here, just recorded. This is simply me activating the news aggregation arm of this thread here - it's important we continue to document these events.

What seems to be happening this morning was to be expected, and shows, again, that high-precision weaponry continues to be deployed here :flower:

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[Tintin]

A short segment from Vladimir Putin this morning:

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[Tintin]

A map showing the targets hit (so far) today:

Source: https://t.me/readovkanews/43822

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[Bill Ryan]

A map showing the targets hit (so far) today:

readovkanews/43822Translation:

An act of retaliation against terrorists - a Russian strike on Ukraine: a Readovka map with a description of disabled facilities

This morning, the Russian army launched large-scale strikes on Ukraine in order to destroy a number of the country's energy infrastructure.

Kyiv: CHPP-5, CHPP-3, Substation (substation) 110 Vokzalnaya, Darnytska CHPP - affected. Substation Severnaya and Brovary, as well as CHPP-6, are still functioning.

Kharkiv: complete blackout, no connection and no water. The metro doesn't work. Most likely, the substation Zalyutino, Kharkivskaya, Losevo, together with Kharkovskaya CHPP-5, Zmivskaya CHPP and Chuguevskaya CHPP-2 were put out of action, which ensured a total blackout in the city and in the region.

Ternopil: at least 5 substations were turned off, the Ternopil substation was physically destroyed - the remaining substations were fed from it. Rivne: the liquidation of the substation Rivne launched a blackout throughout the city, the rest of the substation were overloaded and put out of action.

Sumy: a hit in the Konotop substation caused power outages in the entire region - a blackout occurred. Kryvyi Rih: The attack on the Kryvyi Rih thermal power plant caused partial power outages and the shutdown of the Kryvyi Rih high-quality steel plant for Western countries.

Dnepropetrovsk: the substation and barracks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed. Zhytomyr: Substation Zhytomyr - as a result, a blackout and shutdown of water throughout the city. Lvov: the defeat of two thermal power plants caused a blackout in the city and turned off the water supply.

Ivano-Frankivsk: Burshtynska TPP - power outages. Khmelnytsky: CHP and substations hit. The city has no electricity or water supply. Poltava: destroyed a number of substations. The city is blackout and there is no water.

Such a large-scale blow has brought the Ukrainian energy system to the brink of existence, and if this is repeated day after day, Ukraine will plunge into darkness within a week or two.

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Other early reports, all to be confirmed, indicate that Ukrainian forces may be pulling out of Bakhmut. (If so, this is a very major tipping point.) And it also seems that Ukrainian forces have taken out bridges and mined roads leading to Belarus, which in itself indicates something significant developing in that area.

[Tintin]

The Red Cross suspends its activities for safety reasons (Reuters):

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Transportation grinding to a halt:

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Air alerts again at 13:26 (UK time)

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564385-putin-promises-response-ukraine-terrorism/

Russian strikes a response to Ukrainian ‘terrorism’ — Putin

Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that any further Ukrainian “terrorist” assaults on Russian soil will be met with a significant military response. He was speaking after a wave of missiles struck Ukraine on Monday morning.

Putin confirmed that Russian troops carried out “massive strikes with long-range precision weapons on Ukrainian objects of energy, and military control and communications.” The response came two days after an explosion damaged the strategic Crimean Bridge, for which officials in Kiev claimed responsibility.

“If there are further attempts to conduct terrorist attacks on our soil, Russia will respond firmly and on a scale corresponding to the threats created against Russia,” Putin added.

Earlier in the day, multiple regions of Ukraine came under missile strikes, with at least 11 key infrastructure facilities damaged, according to Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmigal. Putin stated that Russia was retaliating for a number of attempts to strike Russian infrastructure that have been attributed to Kiev.

Massive wave of missile attacks reported across Ukraine
Massive wave of missile attacks reported across Ukraine
Among other things, Ukraine has damaged high-voltage power lines that transmit electricity generated by the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant, tried to sabotage the TurkStream natural gas pipeline, and was behind Saturday’s explosion that damaged the Crimean Bridge, Putin stated.

“The Kiev regime has been using terrorist methods for a very long time,” the Russian president said, citing targeted assassinations of public figures, the indiscriminate shelling of Donbass cities and of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant as examples of such actions.

“De facto, the Kiev regime has put itself on par with international terrorist groups, the most odious of them. Leaving such crimes without a response has become impossible,” he stressed, before confirming that Russia had attacked Ukrainian infrastructure.

In addition to blaming Ukraine for the series of attacks on Russian infrastructure, Putin mentioned the disabling of the Nord Stream undersea pipelines. He said that Russia was being barred by European nations from investigating the sabotage and reiterated that “we all know well the ultimate beneficiary of that crime.”

Ukraine targeted operation of Russian nuclear site – Moscow
Ukraine targeted operation of Russian nuclear site – Moscow
Putin made the remarks as he chaired a meeting of Russia’s National Security Council.

The sabotage of the power lines connected to the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant was reported in mid-August. According to Russia's security agency, the FSB, Ukrainian agents launched a series of attacks and took down six transmission towers, endangering power supply to the border Kursk Region and other parts of Russia.

The attempt to destroy Russian energy infrastructure used to supply hydrocarbons to Türkiye and southern Europe was reported by the FSB last month. Unlike with the incidents in Kursk Region, the would-be saboteur was captured and evidence was collected that the suspect was doing the bidding of Ukraine, according to law enforcement.

Saturday’s explosion on the Crimean Bridge, a key link between the peninsula and mainland Russia, killed several civilians and partially collapsed the portion of the bridge used by vehicles. Aleksandr Bastrykin, the head of the Russian Investigative Committee, reported to Putin on Sunday that Ukraine was behind the crime, with the Russian leader concurring that there was “no doubt” about it.

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Mitigating impact of strikes on Ukraine’s energy facilities will take few days — expert

During this time rolling blackouts are possible, primarily for businesses, in order to provide [electricity] to the population and water utilities," Yury Korolchuk said
KIEV, October 10. /TASS/. Mitigating the impact of the strikes on Ukrainian energy facilities will take several days, Yury Korolchuk, an analyst at the Ukrainian Institute for Strategic Studies said in an interview with the Strana newspaper on Monday. He added that during this period rolling blackouts are possible.

"This is the first strike of such a scale on the Ukrainian energy system. It may take several days to clean up this mess and during this time rolling blackouts are possible, primarily for businesses, in order to provide [electricity] to the population and water utilities," he said.

According to the analyst, now the national railway operator Ukrzaliznytsia is switching some routes from electric traction to diesel traction.

"The danger is that, in addition to strikes on large energy facilities, massive damage has been done to substations," he said.

In turn a source close to Ukraine’s Energy Ministry told the newspaper that "many substations throughout Ukraine have been damaged and many cities and districts are without electricity and water.

Speaking at a meeting with members of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on Monday, President Vladimir Putin announced that a massive strike had been conducted on the facilities of military command, energy and communications sectors in Ukraine.

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Putin vows tough response if Kiev continues terror attacks on Russian territory

The Russian president instructed the defense minister "to report on the results"


ST. PETERSBURG. October 10. /TASS/. Russia will respond toughly, if the Kiev regime continues attempts to carry out terror attacks on Russian territory, President of Russia Vladimir Putin said on Monday.

"If attempts continue to carry out terror attacks on our territory, Russia’s responses will be tough and by their scope correspond to the level of threats created for the Russian Federation," the head of state said at a meeting with members of Russia’s Security Council.

"No one must have any doubts about that," Putin stressed.

By its acts, the Kiev regime has put itself on a par with international terrorist organizations and, therefore, these crimes simply cannot be left unanswered, the Russian leader said.

As Putin said, "this morning, at the suggestion of the Defense Ministry and under a plan of the Russian General Staff, a massive strike by Russia’s long-range air-, sea- and ground-based precision weapons was delivered against Ukrainian energy, military command and communications facilities."

The president instructed the defense minister "to report on the results."

Russian Security Council meeting

The Russian Security Council meeting was attended by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, Speakers of both houses of parliament Valentina Matviyenko and Vyacheslav Volodin, Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev, Presidential Administration Head Anton Vaino, Security Council Secretary Nikolay Patrushev, Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, Federal Security Service Director Alexander Bortnikov, Foreign Intelligence Service Director Sergey Naryshkin and Special Russian Presidential Representative for Environmental Protection, Ecology and Transport Sergey Ivanov.

After the president’s speech, the meeting continued its work behind closed doors.



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Beneficiary of Nord Stream sabotage well-known, Russia not allowed to investigate — Putin

It is reported that our leaks were discovered on the Nord Stream gas link, with the most recent one pinpointed by Sweden’s coast guard

MOSCOW, October 10. /TASS/. While Russia is not allowed to investigate the sabotage at the Nord Stream pipeline, but the beneficiary is already known, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday at a meeting with permanent members of the Russian Security Council.

"As you know, Russian representatives are not allowed to investigate the causes of explosions and destruction of international gas transmission systems passing through the bottom of the Baltic Sea, but we all know the ultimate beneficiary of this crime," Putin said.

Four leaks were discovered on the Nord Stream gas link, with the most recent one pinpointed by Sweden’s coast guard. Earlier, the Nord Stream AG company reported that three threads of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 offshore gas pipelines had suffered unprecedented damage on September 26. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov stated that Moscow was "deeply concerned about the news" and did not rule out that the pipelines’ operation could have been disrupted by an act of sabotage. Swedish seismologists later revealed that two explosions had been recorded along the Nord Stream pipelines on September 26. The Danish Energy Agency reported that a large amount of gas had spilled into the sea.

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Source: President of Russia (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69568)

Meeting with permanent members of the Security Council

The President held a briefing session with permanent members of the Security Council, via videoconference.

October 10, 2022 13:00 St Petersburg



Taking part in the meeting were Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, Federation Council Speaker Valentina Matviyenko, State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev, Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office Anton Vaino, Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev, Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, Director of the Federal Security Service Alexander Bortnikov, Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin, and Special Presidential Representative for Environmental Protection, Ecology and Transport Sergei Ivanov.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin

Colleagues, good afternoon,

You know that yesterday Chairman of the Investigative Committee Alexander Bastrykin reported to me on the first results of the investigation into the act of sabotage on the Crimean Bridge.

The forensic and other expert data, as well as operational information, show that the October 8 explosion was an act of terrorism aimed at destroying Russia's civilian and critical infrastructure.

It is also clear that the Ukrainian special services were the organisers and perpetrators of the attack. The Kiev regime has long been using terrorist methods, including murders of public figures, journalists and scientists, both in Ukraine and in Russia. And terrorist attacks on towns in Donbass, which have been going on for more than eight years. And also acts of nuclear terrorism, by which I mean missile and artillery strikes on the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant.

This is not the whole story: Ukraine's special services have also carried out three terrorist acts against Russia's Kursk Nuclear Power Plant, repeatedly blowing up the plant's high-voltage lines. The third such terrorist attack damaged three of those lines at once. The damage was repaired in the shortest possible time and there were no serious consequences.

However, there have been a number of other terrorist attacks and attempts to commit similar crimes against electricity generation and gas transportation infrastructure facilities in our country, including an attempt to blow up a section of the TurkStream gas pipeline system.

All this has been proven by objective data, including the testimony of the detained perpetrators.

It is well known that Russian representatives are not allowed to take part in the investigation into the causes of explosions at and the destruction of international gas pipelines running under the Baltic Sea. But we all know who ultimately benefits from this crime.

Thus, the Kiev regime, by its actions, has actually put itself on the same level as international terrorist groups, and with the most odious of those. It is simply no longer possible to leave crimes of this kind without retaliation.

This morning, at the proposal of the Defence Ministry and in accordance with the plan of Russia’s General Staff, a massive strike was launched with long-range precision air, sea and land-based weapons against Ukrainian energy, military and communications facilities.

In the event of more attempts to stage terrorist attacks on our territory, Russia's response will be harsh and commensurate with the threats posed to the Russian Federation. Nobody should have any doubts about that.

Defence Minister, please report on the results.

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An interim attempt at the briefest summary, with plenty of the day left still.

The following cities in Ukraine were hit by specifically targeted missile strikes (at 29 critical infrastructure facilities, at least one SBU office building, and not at civilians):

- Kiev
- Dnepropetrovsk
- Kharkiv
- Zaporozhye
- Ternopil
- Odessa
- Krivoy Rog
- Lviv
- Zhitomir
- Rivne
- Nikolaev
- Krapivnitsky
- Kremenchuk
- Konotop

There are serious power outages everywhere, some cities have lack of water, supermarket shelves are empty, and there are cars waiting in gas lines for miles. Supplies of electricity to Ukraine from Poland across the border have been cut as well. Russian aircraft are continuing to mobilize at the Astrakhan air base.

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Terror on Crimea Bridge forces Russia to unleash Shock’n Awe

The terror attack on Krymskiy Most – the Crimea Bridge – was the proverbial straw that broke the Eurasian camel’s back.

Russian President Vladimir Putin neatly : “This is a terrorist attack aimed at destroying the critical civilian infrastructure of the Russian Federation.”

The head of the Russian Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, confirmed face-to-face with Putin that Terror on the Bridge was carried out by the SBU – Ukrainian special services.

Bastrykin told Putin, “we have already established the route of the truck, where the explosion took place. Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia, North Ossetia, Krasnodar… The carriers have been identified. With the help of operatives of the FSB, we managed to identify suspects.”

Russian intel leaked crucial info to military correspondent . The cargo was ordered by a Ukrainian citizen: explosives packed in 22 pallets, in rolls of film under plastic wrap, were shipped from Bulgaria to the Georgian port of Poti. Afterwards, the cargo was loaded onto a truck with foreign license plates and proceeded overland to Armenia.

Clearance at the Armenia-Russia border was smooth – according to the rules of (both Russia and Armenia are members of the Eurasian Economic Union, or EAEU). The cargo evidently avoided detection through X-rays. This route is standard for truckers traveling to Russia.

The truck then re-entered Georgia and crossed the border into Russia again, but this time through the Upper Lars checkpoint. That’s the same one used by thousands of Russians fleeing partial mobilization. The truck ended up in Armavir, where the cargo was transferred to another truck, under the responsibility of Mahir Yusubov: the one that entered the Crimean bridge coming from the Russian mainland.

Very important: the transport from Armavir to a delivery address in Simferopol should have happened on October 6-7: that is, timed to the birthday of President Putin on Friday the 7th. For some unexplained reason, that was postponed for a day.

The driver of the first truck is already testifying. Yusubov, the driver of the second truck – which exploded on the bridge – was “blind:” he had no idea what he was carrying, and is dead.

At this stage, two conclusions are paramount.

First: This was not a standard ISIS-style truck suicide bombing – the preferred interpretation in the aftermath of the terror attack.

Second: The packaging most certainly took place in Bulgaria. That, as Russian intel has cryptically implied, indicates the involvement of “foreign special services.”

‘A mirage of cause and effect’

What has been revealed in public by Russian intelligence tells only part of the story. An incandescent assessment received by The Cradle from another Russian intel source is way more intriguing.

At least 450 kg of explosives were employed in the blast. Not on the truck, but mounted inside the Crimea Bridge span itself. The white truck was just a decoy by the terrorists “to create a mirage of cause and effect.” When the truck reached the point on the bridge where the explosives were mounted, the explosion took place.

According to the source, railroad employees told investigators that there was a form of electronic hijacking; the terror operators took control of the railway so the train carrying fuel received a command to stop because of a false signal that the road ahead was busy.

Bombs mounted on the bridge spans were a working hypothesis largely debated in Russian military channels over the weekend, as well as the use of underwater drones.

In the end, the quite sophisticated plan could not follow the necessarily rigid timing. There was no alignment by the millimeter between the mounted explosive charges, the passing truck and the fuel train stopped in its tracks. Damage was limited, and easily contained. The charges/truck combo exploded on the outer right lane of the road. Damage was only on two sections of the outer lane, and not much on the railway bridge.

In the end, Terror on the Bridge yielded a short, Pyrrhic PR victory – duly celebrated across the collective West – with negligible practical success: transfer of Russian military cargo by railway resumed in roughly 14 hours.

And that brings us to the key information in the Russian intel source assessment: the whodunnit.

It was a plan by the British MI6, says this source, without offering further details. Which, he elaborates, Russian intel, for a number of reasons, is shadow-playing as “foreign special services.”

It’s quite telling that the Americans rushed to establish plausible deniability. The proverbial “Ukrainian government official” told CIA mouthpiece The Washington Post that the SBU did it. That was a straight confirmation of an Ukrainska Pravda report based on an “unidentified law enforcement official.”

The perfect red line trifecta

Already, over the weekend, it was clear the ultimate red line had been crossed. Russian public opinion and media were furious. For all its status as an engineering marvel, Krymsky Most represents not only critical infrastructure; it is the visual symbol of the return of Crimea to Russia.

Moreover, this was a personal terror attack on Putin and the whole Russian security apparatus.

So we had, in sequence, Ukrainian terrorists blowing up Darya Dugina’s car in a Moscow suburb (they admitted it); US/UK special forces (partially) blowing Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 (they admitted and then retracted); and the terror attack on Krymsky Most (once again: admitted then retracted).

Not to mention the shelling of Russian villages in Belgorod, NATO supplying long-range weapons to Kiev, and the routine execution of Russian soldiers.

Darya Dugina, Nord Streams and Crimea Bridge make it an Act of War trifecta. So this time the response was inevitable – not even waiting for the first meeting since February of the Russian Security Council scheduled for the afternoon of 10 October.

Moscow launched the first wave of a Russian Shock’n Awe without even changing the status of the Special Military Operation (SMO) to Counter-Terrorist Operation (CTO), with all its serious military/legal implications.

After all, even before the UN Security Council meeting, Russian public opinion was massively behind taking the gloves off. Putin had not even scheduled bilateral meetings with any of the members. Diplomatic sources hint that the decision to let the hammer come down had already been taken over the weekend.

Shock’n Awe did not wait for the announcement of an ultimatum to Ukraine (that may come in a few days); an official declaration of war (not necessary); or even announcing which ‘”decision-making centers” in Ukraine would be hit.

The lightning strike de facto metastasizing of SMO into CTO means that the regime in Kiev and those supporting it are now considered as legitimate targets, just like ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra during the Anti-Terror Operation (ATO) in Syria.

And the change of status – now this is a real war on terror – means that terminating all strands of terrorism, physical, cultural, ideological, are the absolute priority, and not the safety of Ukrainian civilians. During the SMO, safety of civilians was paramount. Even the UN has been forced to admit that in over seven months of SMO the number of civilian casualties in Ukraine has been relatively low.

Enter ‘Commander Armageddon’

The face of Russian Shock’n Awe is Russian Commander of the Aerospace Forces, Army General Sergey Surovikin: the new commander-in-chief of the now totally centralized SMO/CTO.

Questions were being asked non-stop: why didn’t Moscow take this decision way back in February? Well, better late than never. Kiev is now learning they messed with the wrong guy. Surovikin is widely respected – and feared: his nickname is “General Armageddon.” Others call him “Cannibal.” Legendary Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov – also a colonel general in the Russian military – lavishly praises Surovikin as “a real general and warrior, an experienced, strong-willed and far-sighted commander.”

Surovikin has been commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces since 2017; was awarded the title of Hero of Russia for his no-nonsense leadership of the military operation in Syria; and had on the ground experience in Chechnya in the 1990s.

Surovikin is Dr. Shock’n Awe with full carte blanche. That even rendered idle speculations that Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov were removed or forced to resign, as speculated by the Wagner group Telegram channel Grey Zone.

It is still possible that Shoigu – widely criticized for recent Russian military setbacks – could be eventually replaced by Tula Governor Alexei Dyumin, and Gerasimov by the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, Lieutenant General Alexander Matovnikov.

That’s almost irrevelant: all eyes are on Surovikin.

MI6 does have some well-placed moles in Moscow, relatively speaking. The Brits had warned Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the General Staff that the Russians would be launching a “warning strike” this Monday.

What happened was no “warning strike,” but a massive offensive of over 100 cruise missiles launched “from the air, sea and land,” as Putin noted, against Ukrainian “energy, military command and communications facilities.”

MI6 also noted “the next step” will be the complete destruction of Ukraine’s energy infrastructure. That’s not a “next step:” it’s already happening. Power supply is completely gone in five regions, including Lviv and Kharkov, and there are serious interruptions in other five, including Kiev.

Over 60 percent of Ukrainian power grids are already knocked out. Over 75 percent of internet traffic is gone. Elon Musk’s Starlink netcentric warfare has been “disconnected” by the Ministry of Defense.

Shock’n Awe will likely progress in three stages.

First: Overload of the Ukrainian air defense system (already on).

Second: Plunging Ukraine into the Dark Ages (already in progress).

Third: Destruction of all major military installations (the next wave).

Ukraine is about to embrace nearly total darkness in the next few days. Politically, that opens a completely new ball game. Considering Moscow’s trademark “strategic ambiguity,” this could be a sort of Desert Storm remixed (massive air strikes preparing a ground offensive); or, more likely, an ‘incentive’ to force NATO to negotiate; or just a relentless, systematic missile offensive mixed with Electronic Warfare (EW) to shatter for good Kiev’s capacity to wage war.

Or it could be all of the above.

How a humiliated western Empire can possibly raise the stakes now, short of going nuclear, remains a key question. Moscow has shown admirable restraint for too long. No one should ever forget that in the real Great Game – how to coordinate the emergence of the multipolar world – Ukraine is just a mere sideshow. But now the sideshow runners better run for cover, because General Armageddon is on the loose.

[Bill Ryan]

A concise 20-minute analysis by The Duran of Russia's missile attack (and what may come next) for those who might appreciate a more detailed and strategic overview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NiHyxPM80k

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https://www.sott.net/article/472974-Russian-army-fires-Old-Sparky-US-loses-the-electric-war-in-the-Ukraine

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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/business/564392-hungary-serbia-russian-oil-supply/

Hungary and Serbia agree on new route for Russian oil supply

Budapest and Belgrade say they will construct a new pipeline to supply Serbia with Russian Urals crude via the Druzhba energy system, the Hungarian government announced on Monday. The decision comes as Belgrade's shipments via Croatia fall under EU sanctions.

“The new oil pipeline would enable Serbia to be supplied with cheaper Urals crude oil, connecting to the Friendship [Druzhba] oil pipeline,” Hungarian government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs wrote on Twitter.

He added that Serbia’s oil supply was largely via a pipeline through Croatia, “but this is unlikely to be possible in the future because of the sanctions that have been adopted.”

Last week, the EU agreed on new anti-Russia restrictions, which include an oil price cap for Russian seaborne crude deliveries to third countries.

Serbia, which is heavily dependent on Russian oil supplies through Croatia, said that by imposing new restrictions, the EU was targeting Belgrade. On Friday, Serbian Prime Minister Ana Brnabic warned that a ban on seaborne oil supplies from Russia and pumping through Croatia would increase Serbia’s raw-material costs by 20%, and this would result in the loss of hundreds of millions of euros from the country’s budget.

READ MORE: Serbia furious over latest anti-Russia sanctions
Hungary, which is also largely reliant on Russian oil and gas, has been the most vocal critic of sanctions on Russia in the EU, saying the measures will drive up energy prices further. Earlier this month, Budapest pledged to help out Serbia with gas if needed. Prime Minister Viktor Orban said that Hungary has gas reserves covering about five to six months worth of consumption.

Druzhba, which is one of the longest pipeline networks in the world, carries crude some 4,000km from Russia to refineries in the Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564388-russia-belarus-troop-deal/
Belarus announces troop deal with Russia

Russia and Belarus have begun forming a joint force, which will include several thousand Russian troops, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko announced on Monday during a security meeting. He said the move comes in response to increased aggression from Kiev and the West.

The Belarusian leader said that the plan was decided on when he held a face-to-face meeting with Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of an informal CIS summit in St. Petersburg last week. “In response to the aggravation on the western border of the Union State [of Russia and Belarus], we agreed to deploy a regional grouping of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus,” Lukashenko said.

He noted that since most of Russia’s troops are currently busy with the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, the core of this joint force will consist of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus, but there will nevertheless be “more than one thousand Russian soldiers.” Lukashenko added that the formation of this group has been under way for the past two days.

He also claimed that Kiev is currently planning to carry out attacks against Belarus and is being pushed to do so by the West.

Belarus accuses Ukraine of planning attack
Belarus accuses Ukraine of planning attack
“Kiev is not just discussing, but is planning an attack on the territory of Belarus. Of course, the Ukrainians absolutely don’t need this. Why would they open a second front on our southern borders? What for? This is complete madness from a military point of view,” Lukashenko said.

“But, nevertheless, the process has begun. They are being pushed by their masters to start a war against Belarus to pull us into the conflict. To simultaneously deal with both Russia and Belarus,” he said.

According to Lukashenko, Minsk has already been warned through “unofficial channels” that an attack on Belarus from the territory of Ukraine is imminent. He claims that Kiev is threatening to carry out a series of attacks on Belarus and has already amassed up to 15,000 troops near the border.

The Belarusian leader said that Kiev had threatened him with a “Crimean Bridge 2,” referring to the recent attack on the bridge connecting mainland Russia with the Crimean peninsula, blamed by Moscow on Ukrainian special services.

“My response to this was simple,” Lukashenko said. “Tell the President of Ukraine and other lunatics that the Crimean Bridge will seem like flowers to them if they touch even one meter of our territory with their filthy hands.”

Kiev has officially denied threatening an attack on Belarus, dismissing it as a ploy by Moscow to “stage a provocation.”

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/euobs/status/1579476847498346496
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https://euobserver.com/world/156249

EU open to 'dialogue' with Putin in UN resolution

The EU is calling for "dialogue" with Russia in a draft United Nations resolution to condemn its annexation of Ukrainian territory.

UN countries and international bodies should support ending the war "through political dialogue, negotiation, mediation and other peaceful means" the latest draft text, dated Friday (7 October) and seen by EUobserver, said.


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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/EvaKBartlett/status/1579444371187195906
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Very heartbreaking , they endure so much pain and express it so poignantly…why do they and million others around the world have to live in uncertainty and persecution…

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[Vicus]

Ukrainian army’s commander-in-chief poses with swastika bracelet

General Valery Zaluzhny, the commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, has posted a photo to Twitter which shows him wearing a swastika bracelet.

General Valery Zaluzhny, commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, posted a photo to Twitter of himself wearing a swastika bracelet. Although Kiev dismisses accusations of Nazism within its ranks as “Russian propaganda,” its soldiers are often photographed wearing the symbols of the Third Reich.

In a post on Thursday, Zaluzhny declared that Ukraine’s struggle against Russia is on a scale that “the world has not seen since the Second World War.” It was not immediately clear which side of the struggle he was referring to.

Adorning Zaluzhny’s wrist in the photo is a bracelet made up of multiple tiles, at least one of which features a swastika. The photo itself has been circulating online since at least March.

https://twitter.com/CinC_AFU/status/1578083916296192000
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A handful of pro-Ukrainian commentators claimed that Zaluzhny’s bracelet actually depicted a Scandinavian pagan symbol, which looked like a swastika due to digital compression of the image. Zaluzhny himself commented on one Facebook post insisting that this was the case.

However, he is not the first Ukrainian service member accused of wearing Nazi insignia. Apart from the notorious Azov regiment of the Ukrainian military (which originated as a neo-Nazi militia), regular Ukrainian service members have been seen wearing the ‘death’s head’, or ‘totenkopf’, the symbol of the 3rd SS Panzer Division, and have also daubed swastikas on their vehicles.

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has posted an image of a Ukrainian soldier wearing the standard of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, a photo of an artilleryman wearing the death’s head, and a photo of one of his own bodyguards wearing the same ‘totenkopf’ patch. Two of these pictures were posted to Zelensky’s official Instagram account.

Russian President Vladimir Putin cited the outsized influence of neo-Nazi groups on Ukraine’s military and government as one of the factors influencing his decision to send troops into the country in February. In addition to protecting the Donbass region and demilitarizing Ukraine, Putin vowed to “denazify” the country.

Despite the evidence, Ukrainian officials and some Western media outlets have described accusations of nao-Nazism as “myths” and “Russian propaganda.”

https://www.rt.com/russia/564358-ukraine-commander-swastika-bracelet (https://www.rt.com/russia/564358-ukraine-commander-swastika-bracelet/)

[Vicus]

Russia alerts international rights groups over ‘mass grave’ video

A Russian human rights council has called for an international probe into a gruesome video shared by a Ukrainian neo-Nazi

Russia has alerted several international human rights organizations about a disturbing video purportedly showing dead civilians thrown into a mass grave in Ukraine, the Presidential Council for Civil Society and Human Rights said on Monday. The video was shared by a Ukrainian neo-Nazi militant, who, however, blamed Russian troops for the apparent massacre.

The head of the Russian human rights council, Valery Fedorov, informed the UN Human Rights Council (OHCHR), the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), and Amnesty International, among other groups, about the grisly footage.

“This video speaks of extrajudicial killings, the physical elimination of people who show a civil position and dare to oppose official Kiev. The situation is also aggravated by the fact that official representatives of the Ukrainian authorities have previously openly announced carrying out ‘tough sweeping’ and ‘filtration measures’,” Fedorov said in a statement urging an international probe into the affair.


Earlier in the day, Russia’s Investigative Committee said it had launched a probe into the alleged massacre, which is believed to have happened near the town of Kupyansk in eastern Ukraine. The town was recently re-captured by Ukrainian troops after being held by Russian forces.

The video was released online on Sunday by Maksim Zhorin, formerly a senior commander with the neo-Nazi Azov regiment, which is banned in Russia. Footage shows several presumably dead bodies in civilian clothing half-buried in a pit, with another body of an almost-naked man rolling into the hole.

Zhorin initially said that the video showed the “civilian population” and warned that “there will be retaliation.” Shortly thereafter, however, he altered his post, claiming the video had been obtained from a phone seized from an “occupant,” implying the murders had been committed by the Russian military.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564429-ukraine-mass-grave-probe/

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1579568926182494209
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https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/

EXPOSED: Before Ukraine blew up Kerch Bridge, British spies plotted it

The secret British intelligence plot to blow up Crimea’s Kerch Bridge is revealed in internal documents and correspondence obtained exclusively by The Grayzone.



The Grayzone has obtained an April 2022 presentation drawn up for senior British intelligence officers hashing out an elaborate scheme to blow up Crimea’s Kerch Bridge with the involvement of specially trained Ukrainian soldiers. Almost six months after the plan was circulated, Kerch Bridge was attacked in an October 8th suicide bombing apparently overseen by Ukraine’s SBU intelligence services.

Detailed proposals for providing “audacious” support to Kiev’s “maritime raiding operations” were drafted at the request of Chris Donnelly, a senior British Army intelligence operative and veteran high ranking NATO advisor. The wide-ranging plan’s core component was “destruction of the bridge over the Kerch Strait.”

Documents and correspondence plotting the operation were provided to The Grayzone by an anonymous source.

The truck bombing of the Kerch Bridge differed operationally from the plot sketched therein. Yet, Britain’s evident interest in planning such an attack underscores the deep involvement of NATO powers in the Ukraine proxy war. At almost precisely the time that London reportedly sabotaged peace talks between Kiev and Moscow in April this year, British military intelligence operatives were drawing up blueprints to destroy a major Russian bridge crossed by thousands of civilians per day.

The roadmap was produced by Hugh Ward, a British military veteran. A number of strategies for helping Ukraine “pose a threat to Russian naval forces” in the Black Sea are outlined. The overriding objectives are stated as aiming to “degrade” Russia’s ability to blockade Kiev, “erode” Moscow’s “warfighting capability”, and isolate Russian land and maritime forces in Crimea by “denying resupply by sea and overland via Kerch bridge.”

Read the complete blueprint: Support for Maritime Raiding Operations – Proposal

In an email, Ward asked Donnelly to “please protect this document,” and it’s easy to see why. Of these assorted plans, only the “Kerch Bridge Raid CONOPS [concept of operation]” is subject to a dedicated annex at the conclusion of Ward’s report, underlining its significance.

The content amounts to direct, detailed advocacy for the commission of what could constitute a grave war crime. Markedly, in plotting ways to destroy a major passenger bridge, there is no reference to avoiding civilian casualties.

Across three separate pages, alongside diagrams, the author spells out the terms of the “mission” – “[disabling] the Kerch Bridge in a way that is audacious, disrupts road and rail access to Crimea and maritime access to the Sea of Azov.”

Ward suggests that destroying the bridge “would require a cruise missile battery to hit the two concrete pillars either side of the central steel arch, which will cause a complete structural failure,” and “prevent any road re-supply from the Russian mainland to Crimea and temporally [sic] disrupt the shipping lane.”

The rest of the article here,

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/TruthPuke/status/1579488059480952832
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https://twitter.com/TruthPuke/status/1579488066494136322
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https://twitter.com/DoctorGerhard/status/1579571033866403842
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[Bill Ryan]

Russia alerts international rights groups over ‘mass grave’ video

A Russian human rights council has called for an international probe into a gruesome video shared by a Ukrainian neo-Nazi

https://www.rt.com/russia/564429-ukraine-mass-grave-probe/I posted the video here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1521896#post1521896), and it does need a warning.

I won't share this new video at all, but more snippets are being released from the same source, the latest being a 2-second clip showing a civilian just about to be shot at the same location. Whoever is filming and releasing these is barely human.

[Ravenlocke]

Russia alerts international rights groups over ‘mass grave’ video

A Russian human rights council has called for an international probe into a gruesome video shared by a Ukrainian neo-Nazi

https://www.rt.com/russia/564429-ukraine-mass-grave-probe/I posted the video here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1521896#post1521896), and it does need a warning.

I won't share this new video at all, but more snippets are being released from the same source, the latest being a 2-second clip showing a civilian just about to be shot at the same location. Whoever is filming and releasing these is barely human.

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1579076336957947904
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https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1579501748708077570
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1579690756750467072
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https://www.rt.com/russia/564406-mass-burial-video-investigation/

Russia opens probe over Ukrainian Neo-Nazi's ‘mass grave’ video

Russia’s Investigative Committee has opened a probe over a disturbing video showing what are believed to be massacred civilians thrown into a mass grave. The news was announced by the body’s head, Aleksandr Bastrykin, on Monday.

The footage in question had been shared on social media by a notorious member of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov regiment with a history of showing gruesome imagery of killed “pro-Russian” civilians.

“Experts with the Russian Investigative Committee will take measures to establish the circumstances of the death of civilians, as well as all those involved in their torture and murder, in order to bring them to criminal justice,” the Committee said in a statement.

The graphic clip was originally released online on Sunday by Maksim Zhorin, a Ukrainian officer and former senior commander of the neo-Nazi Azov regiment, which is outlawed in Russia. The far-right fighter said the video was shot in the town of Kupyansk, which recently taken by Ukrainian forces.

The video shows a big hole dug in the ground with several bodies in civilian clothes lying semi-buried in it. Another body of an almost-naked man with his hands tied behind his back and legs held together by tape can be seen rolling down a steep slope into the pit. A shovel can be seen in the foreground, indicating that whoever shot the video was in the process of burying the bodies in a mass grave, while several men sporting military camouflage can be seen in the background.

Azov commander boasts about gruesome photos of executed civilians
Azov commander boasts about gruesome photos of executed civilians
Zhorin initially said that the video showed “civilian population” and warned that “there will be retaliation.” Shortly after the publication of the disturbing footage, Zhorin altered his post, claiming the video was taken from a phone owned by an “occupant,” implying the murder had been committed by the Russian military.

“However, the public raised alarm over the situation in the video. It indicates that the video was filmed recently, when the town was under the control of Ukrainian armed forces. The internal parameters of the video also show that it was filmed on the afternoon of October 9th. These facts speak of new war crimes by the Kiev regime,” the Committee noted.

Zhorin is already known for posting graphic images of Russian soldiers, as well as of massacred civilians whom he accuses of being pro-Russian. In May, he released photos of apparent murder victims whom he identified as supporters of a Ukrainian opposition party. The extremely graphic imagery, deleted later by the neo-Nazi fighter, suggested the activists were brutally tortured and beaten to death.

[Bill Ryan]

For readers in North America, just waking up, here's a brief initial summary of continued intensive Russian missile strikes. It would seem that today (Tuesday Oct 11 in Ukraine) will be very similar to yesterday's onslaught.

There have been large explosions taking out the power system in Lviv, which is now under blackout.

Missiles hit targets in Odessa, Vinnitsa, Zaporozhye, Ochakiv, Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog, Rivne, and the Khmelnitsky and Kiev regions. The Russian Navy launched 10 Kalibr missiles from the Black Sea. There were rocket launches from the Caspian Sea in the direction of Dnipropetrovsk. Two 'ballistic missiles' (whatever that may imply) were launched from Kursk. Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers launched X-101 and X-555 missiles.

Ukrainian Telegram channels reported:
Our air defense cannot cope with so many cruise missiles and kamikaze UAVs at the same time, the Russian army is deliberately overloading our system.
Sources report explosions at infrastructure facilities in Odessa/Vinnitsa/Kiev regions, in Rivne, Ochakiv, Nikolaev, Pavlograd Zhytomyr, Dnipro and Krivoy Rog.

[Tintin]

https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1579568926182494209
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https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/

EXPOSED: Before Ukraine blew up Kerch Bridge, British spies plotted it

The secret British intelligence plot to blow up Crimea’s Kerch Bridge is revealed in internal documents and correspondence obtained exclusively by The Grayzone.



The Grayzone has obtained an April 2022 presentation drawn up for senior British intelligence officers hashing out an elaborate scheme to blow up Crimea’s Kerch Bridge with the involvement of specially trained Ukrainian soldiers. Almost six months after the plan was circulated, Kerch Bridge was attacked in an October 8th suicide bombing apparently overseen by Ukraine’s SBU intelligence services.

Detailed proposals for providing “audacious” support to Kiev’s “maritime raiding operations” were drafted at the request of Chris Donnelly, a senior British Army intelligence operative and veteran high ranking NATO advisor. The wide-ranging plan’s core component was “destruction of the bridge over the Kerch Strait.”

Documents and correspondence plotting the operation were provided to The Grayzone by an anonymous source.

The truck bombing of the Kerch Bridge differed operationally from the plot sketched therein. Yet, Britain’s evident interest in planning such an attack underscores the deep involvement of NATO powers in the Ukraine proxy war. At almost precisely the time that London reportedly sabotaged peace talks between Kiev and Moscow in April this year, British military intelligence operatives were drawing up blueprints to destroy a major Russian bridge crossed by thousands of civilians per day.

The roadmap was produced by Hugh Ward, a British military veteran. A number of strategies for helping Ukraine “pose a threat to Russian naval forces” in the Black Sea are outlined. The overriding objectives are stated as aiming to “degrade” Russia’s ability to blockade Kiev, “erode” Moscow’s “warfighting capability”, and isolate Russian land and maritime forces in Crimea by “denying resupply by sea and overland via Kerch bridge.”

Read the complete blueprint: Support for Maritime Raiding Operations – Proposal

In an email, Ward asked Donnelly to “please protect this document,” and it’s easy to see why. Of these assorted plans, only the “Kerch Bridge Raid CONOPS [concept of operation]” is subject to a dedicated annex at the conclusion of Ward’s report, underlining its significance.

The content amounts to direct, detailed advocacy for the commission of what could constitute a grave war crime. Markedly, in plotting ways to destroy a major passenger bridge, there is no reference to avoiding civilian casualties.

Across three separate pages, alongside diagrams, the author spells out the terms of the “mission” – “[disabling] the Kerch Bridge in a way that is audacious, disrupts road and rail access to Crimea and maritime access to the Sea of Azov.”

Ward suggests that destroying the bridge “would require a cruise missile battery to hit the two concrete pillars either side of the central steel arch, which will cause a complete structural failure,” and “prevent any road re-supply from the Russian mainland to Crimea and temporally [sic] disrupt the shipping lane.”

The rest of the article here,

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/

Splendid post - thanks :highfive: I've just downloaded this report and saved a copy of this article :thumbsup:

Doesn't come as much of a surprise in many ways but that also doesn't reduce at all its value as evidence. I would expect Russian Intel will have picked this up by now, and be aware of other skull-duggery being hatched.

[Bill Ryan]

State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said on his Telegram channel:
The cup of patience has run out, and the Kiev regime can now be considered terrorist with full confidence.
The killing of civilians, the sabotage on the Crimean bridge, the shelling of the critical infrastructure of nuclear power plants - all this has deprived the Zelensky regime of any opportunity for negotiations.
Western countries that support Kiev are also sponsors of terrorism, and we do not negotiate with terrorists.
~~~

Jason Jay Smart posted on Twitter that "waves" of Russian trains loaded with military personnel are arriving in Belarus.

There are huge traffic jams of cars trying to leave Kiev.

~~~

My own comment:

I'd be expecting more and more political voices in Europe and the US (maybe elsewhere also) to start stating loudly that this must be brought to an end, and that negotiations of some kind must start. There's nothing at all that NATO can do militarily about this kind of targeted ferocity.

As Volodin said above, Russia's patience (which has been more than considerable) has finally run out. Russia is now just starting to demonstrate what it can do with many of its self-imposed constraints removed. There's no doubt Russia could destroy not only all of Ukraine, but also much of Europe if it cared to.

It's possible that Putin may state sometime in the near future: (these are my own imagined words)
What you have all seen is an example of our almost unlimited strength that so many in the west have been denying for so long. We are willing to halt our military activity, but only on the following terms, which are not negotiable. The choice is in the hands of others. Otherwise, we will simply continue until our objectives are achieved.

[superior88]

Hungary, Serbia to build pipeline for Russian oil and gas supplies, sidestepping EU sanctions
(https://strangesounds.org/2022/10/hungary-serbia-to-build-pipeline-for-russian-oil-and-gas-supplies-sidestepping-eu-sanctions.html)

[Tintin]

Indeed :)

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Russian diplomat compares Kiev regime to world’s worst terrorist cells

Maria Zakharova stressed Ukraine’s recent terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge was not an exception but a continuation of the policy the country has been following for decades

MOSCOW, October 11. /TASS/. Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Tuesday compared Kiev’s latest actions to those of the most heinous terrorist organizations.

According to the Russian diplomat, Kiev has been receiving Western money, weapons, intel and political support for years. The Kiev regime has recently been receiving exactly the same from the West "for the lawless actions it committed in the manner of the worst terrorist cells," she emphasized.

Zakharova said Ukraine’s recent terrorist attack was not an exception but a continuation of the policy the country has been following for decades.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin denounced Saturday’s attack on the Crimean Bridge as an act of terror and said that Ukraine’s special services were behind it.

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Russia puts Meta on its list of extremists and terrorists

It is reported that in March, Moscow’s Tverskoy Court declared the social networks — Instagram and Facebook — owned by Meta, extremist and banned them across Russian territory

MOSCOW, October 11. /TASS/. Russian financial watchdog Rosfinmonitoring on Tuesday placed US corporation Meta (deemed extremist in Russia) on its list of extremists and terrorists.

The corporation is listed under the name of Meta Platforms Inc., the watchdog said on its website.

In March, Moscow’s Tverskoy Court declared the social networks — Instagram and Facebook — owned by Meta, extremist and banned them across Russian territory.


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Russia’s human rights commissioner asks UN to investigate Kupyansk events

The former Azov commander posted the video to social networks on October 9, with the footage showing the bodies of murdered civilians with their hands tied

MOSCOW, October 11. /TASS/. Russian Human Rights Commissioner Tatiana Moskalkova on Tuesday said she has asked UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk and international human rights groups to investigate the events in Kupyansk that were captured on camera and posted to the Internet by Maksim Zhorin, a former commander of the Azov nationalist battalion (designated as a terrorist organization in Russia).

"As the Russian human rights commissioner, I’m asking UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk and international human rights organizations to conduct a comprehensive investigation of that event," she said on Telegram.

She said there were reports on the Internet that the footage was staged by Ukraine.

"Whether this is true or not must be shown by an impartial investigation, because even the hint of genocide of a civilian population cannot be ignored by all those who are engaged in the protection of human rights and freedoms," she said.

The head of the Russian Investigative Committee of Russia, Alexander Bastrykin, earlier ordered an investigation of torture and murder of civilians in Kupyansk. According to the press service of the Russian Investigative Committee, the former Azov commander posted the video to social networks on October 9, with the footage showing the bodies of murdered civilians with their hands tied, and asserted that the Russian military was involved in their murder. However, the situation in the footage indicates that the video was shot recently, when the settlement was under the control of the armed forces of Ukraine. The internal parameters of the video also prove that it was shot on the afternoon of October 9.

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IN BRIEF: ‘If proposal is filed:’ Lavrov on Putin-Biden meeting, talks with the West


Sergey Lavrov noted that, if Turkey is ready to organize a dialogue between Russia and the West, it will be able to raise this issue during the meeting between Putin and Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Astan

MOSCOW, October 11. /TASS/. Russia will review a proposal for a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart Joe Biden on the sidelines of the G20 summit, should such proposal be filed; however, there has been no signals from the US on negotiations, and no serious proposals on talks on Ukraine have been made, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Russian TV Tuesday.

He noted that, if Turkey is ready to organize a dialogue between Russia and the West, it will be able to raise this issue during the meeting between Putin and Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Astana.

Here are key remarks made by the Foreign Minister.

About special military operation

The goals of the special military operation, outline by Vladimir Putin, will be met. Ukraine must not be a terrorist state, to which everything is permitted.

"This permissiveness exceeds all boundaries and leads to assassinations of journalists, political figures and Verkhovna Rada deputies."

Russia cannot allow Ukraine to pose a constant threat to Russia’s security, including accession to NATO and deployment of weapons that "will present such a threat" on its territory.

About US’ actions in Ukraine

The Americans have long been participating in the Ukrainian conflict de facto. The US arm the Kiev regime, provide intelligence data, including satellite intelligence.

"Our old initiative on prevention of arms race in space becomes even more relevant."

There is reliable information that the Americans help hiring mercenaries for participation in the Ukrainian conflict. In addition, regular servicemen of American and a number of European armies "work on the ground constantly."

On talks on Ukraine

Russia has received no serious proposals for talks on Ukraine from the US. There were some attempts, not too serious; Russia proposed to formulate specific proposals, but no explanations followed.

Meanwhile, the US claim that "they are completely open for talks with the Russian Federation, advocate political resolution of the current situation in Ukraine and around it, but it is the evil Russia who rejects all proposals for contacts," Lavrov said. "It is a lie, I can tell you that right here."

If Turkey is interested in organizing talks between Russia and the West, then it can raise this issue during the meeting between Putin and Erdogan in Astana.

"We have heard nothing besides public statement."

On meeting of Putin and Biden

Russia never rejects a dialogue. Should an offer for a meeting between Putin and Joe Biden no the sidelines of the G20 summit be filed, Moscow will review it.

If someone believes that a signal for such meeting has already been made, such belief is based solely on Biden’s "we’ll see" remark. "This is probably rather for journalist speculations than for real politics," Lavrov noted.

About Zelensky

It is possible that Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky will receive a command from London or Washington, and he will forget about his own ban for negotiations.

"He will find a way to explain all this and preserve his face; he is a performer after all, there is a lot of performers no that side right now."

"If we talk about Nazis, then the German Nazism - Hitler - united most European states under his own banner in order to attack and destroy the Soviet Union. Now, approximately the same group of countries, with some variations, supports Zelensky. But Zelensky, of course, is no Hitler, because he does not decide on actions against Russia, he is ordered to do concrete things."

"If we don’t eradicate Nazism in Ukraine, we will find it very difficult to solve the problems of coexistence on the greater European continent," Lavrov said, adding that the West understands the nature of the Kiev regime, but, in order to combat Russia, "they went all in."

There is irrefutable evidence of blatant violation of humanitarian law and war crimes in treatment of POWs by the Kiev regime.

"But the West is playing a game called ‘I see nothing, I hear nothing,’ when Zelensky does it."

On the UN

When Russia, no longer able to tolerate the crimes of the Kiev regime, has finally provided a serious response, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres immediately started playing condemnation. In other situations, he "remained dead silent and did not express his concerns or worries in any way."

"This once again proves that something is wrong with the UN." The UN must know its mission, instead of playing along the West.

A reform of the UN Security Council is due. "It’s no good, of course, when almost half of [15] member states are Western, this is not a representative membership."

It is impossible to exclude Russia from the Security Council, as Kiev proposes. Attempt to escalate the situation in the UN and use it in a Russophobic key continue.

"They cross all limits of decency, which existed before during the Cold War era."

The US and its allies terrorized the majority of developing countries, threatening sanctions and freeze of bank accounts. It is important for the Americans to show the support to Ukraine, so they demand that the delegates openly raise hands during the vote. This is why the US opposed it when Russia offered to hold a secret vote on the UN General Assembly resolution on the referendums.

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NATO defense ministers to decide on increasing ammunition stockpiles — secretary general

According to Jens Stoltenberg, the NATO Defense Planning Process will be used to provide the industry with information about the long-term demand that it needs to boost production

BRUSSELS, October 11. /TASS/. The defense ministers of NATO member states will make decisions to increase ammunition stockpiles at a meeting on October 12-13, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said at a press conference on Tuesday.

"At this ministerial, we will take decisions to increase our stockpiles of munitions and equipment," he pointed out.

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Russia's victory in conflict in Ukraine would be NATO’s defeat — Stoltenberg

Jens Stoltenberg stressed that NATO must be prepared for a long war in Ukraine
BRUSSELS, October 11. /TASS/. Russia’s victory in the conflict in Ukraine would be a defeat for NATO, the alliance must not allow such an outcome, the organization’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Tuesday at a press conference ahead of the meetings of NATO Defence Ministers on October 12-13 in Brussels.

"It is important for all of us, that Ukraine wins the battle. Because if [Russian President Vladimir] Putin wins, that is not only a big defeat for Ukrainians, but it will be a defeat and dangerous for all of us, because it will make the world more dangerous and it will make us more vulnerable for further Russian aggression," he said.

Stoltenberg stressed that NATO must be prepared for a long war in Ukraine. "I think that we just have to be prepared for the long haul (to provide support to Ukraine - TASS)," he added.

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[loungelizard]

I began to read the "Audacious" brochure (from Grayzone) with interest, but soon called hoax on it. It looks like a travel brochure rather than a serious military document.

Have you read it? It’s pretty juvenile, and isn’t even written in British English - there are several US spellings (maneuvre? maximise?) and words that are never heard here in the UK (indiction? re-enforcing?). It’s full of spelling errors (vesses? temporally? or my favourite - Black Sea Feet??!) together with random and excessive use of capital letters which is always a red flag - and the date is written in the US style, not the way we write it in the UK.

So no, there's no way Hugh Ward wrote this :wink:

[Snoweagle]

I began to read the "Audacious" brochure (from Grayzone) with interest, but soon called hoax on it. It looks like a travel brochure rather than a serious military document.

Have you read it? It’s pretty juvenile, and isn’t even written in British English - there are several US spellings (maneuvre? maximise?) and words that are never heard here in the UK (indiction? re-enforcing?). It’s full of spelling errors (vesses? temporally? or my favourite - Black Sea Feet??!) together with random and excessive use of capital letters which is always a red flag - and the date is written in the US style, not the way we write it in the UK.

So no, there's no way Hugh Ward wrote this :wink:

There will be a lot more discombobulation across all spheres of our existence or influence. Media, text, science, art, economics, across everything as part of the World Economic Forums plans to destroy the old world to create their New World Order.

In this article, it lists all the different categories we will be attacked by:
https://prepareforchange.net/2022/10/09/the-insane-plans-of-the-world-economic-forum/comment-page-1/

It's destroying the sovereign family of humanity by demonising goodness as "weird".

Just as you have found. There'll be more.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564476-zaporozhye-plant-russia-grid/

Europe’s biggest nuclear plant shifts power source

The Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant is receiving Russian electricity after being taken off Ukraine’s electrical grid, according to an adviser at the state-owned operator. The site, along with the city of Energodar, sits near the frontline, with Moscow and Kiev accusing each other of shelling the facility.

“The city has been connected to the grid, and the plant has a new power supply as well,” Renat Karchaa from Rosenergoatom told Russia 24 TV on Tuesday.

The change was also reported by Vladimir Rogov, a senior official in Russia’s Zaporozhye Region, where the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe is based.

“The nuclear plant has been connected to power lines from our side,” Rogov told RIA Novosti news agency.

“However, it is [too] early to talk about restarting the plant’s reactors at the moment,” he later wrote on his Telegram channel.

The last of the plant’s six reactors was shut down a month ago after power lines were damaged by the shelling. The facility was then forced to rely on diesel generators.

Russia has accused Ukraine of “nuclear terrorism,” repeatedly warning that the shelling could trigger a nuclear disaster, similar to the incident in Chernobyl in 1986. Kiev has claimed that Russian soldiers have used the plant as cover.

READ MORE: US economist breaks ranks on nuclear plant strikes
Zaporozhye Region was seized by Russian forces shortly after Moscow launched its military operation in the neighboring state in February. Along with three other former Ukrainian territories, it was admitted to Russia after the accession was backed in a referendum last month.

On Wednesday, President Vladimir Putin signed a decree formally transferring the plant under Russian authority.



https://tass.com/world/1521099?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

Russia's victory in conflict in Ukraine would be NATO’s defeat — Stoltenberg

Jens Stoltenberg stressed that NATO must be prepared for a long war in Ukraine

BRUSSELS, October 11. /TASS/. Russia’s victory in the conflict in Ukraine would be a defeat for NATO, the alliance must not allow such an outcome, the organization’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Tuesday at a press conference ahead of the meetings of NATO Defence Ministers on October 12-13 in Brussels.

"It is important for all of us, that Ukraine wins the battle. Because if [Russian President Vladimir] Putin wins, that is not only a big defeat for Ukrainians, but it will be a defeat and dangerous for all of us, because it will make the world more dangerous and it will make us more vulnerable for further Russian aggression," he said.

Stoltenberg stressed that NATO must be prepared for a long war in Ukraine. "I think that we just have to be prepared for the long haul (to provide support to Ukraine - TASS)," he added.

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Energodar authorities report 20 Ukrainian strikes with US howitzers Tue

There have been no immediate reports of casualties
MOSCOW, October 11. /TASS/. On Tuesday evening, the Ukrainian army delivered more than 20 strikes with US M777 howitzers on the city of Energodar in the Zaporozhye Region, the military-civilian administration said.

"At the moment, the military-civilian administration of Energodar has reported more than twenty artillery strikes against the industrial zone, the Zaporozhye thermoelectric power plant and the coastline of Energodar. The shelling was carried out from across the Dnieper, apparently with US 155-millimeter howitzers M777," the post uploaded to the administration’s Telegram message says.

There have been no immediate reports of casualties. The scale of damage and destruction is being specified.

Energodar, as well as the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant located in the city, have been repeatedly attacked by Ukrainian troops, artillery and drones. As a result of damage to some infrastructure facilities near the station, all six of its units were turned off.



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US doesn’t seek conflict with Russia — White House

John Kirby emphasized that US troops won’t set foot on Ukrainian soil
WASHINGTON, October 11. /TASS/. The US administration doesn’t seek a conflict with Russia and doesn’t want hostilities in Ukraine to go nuclear, National Security Council coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby said on Tuesday.

He said US President Joe Biden has said so before. Biden also said earlier that US troops won’t set foot on Ukrainian soil, Kirby said.

The official said the US doesn’t see any signs that Russia plans to use weapons of mass destruction in Ukraine.

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https://www.rt.com/news/564478-biden-putin-meeting-g20/

Russia would ‘consider’ G20 Putin-Biden meeting – Lavrov

The presidents of Russia and the US might meet on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Indonesia, provided that Washington actually wants to participate, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.

“We never reject meetings, and if such a proposal comes, we will consider it,” the top diplomat explained during an interview on Russian television on Tuesday.

He stressed that no such proposal had been sent by the US so far, contrary to what some people may believe.

An opportunity for US President Joe Biden to have a one-on-one meeting with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin may present itself during the upcoming summit of G20 leaders in Bali, Indonesia, which is scheduled for mid-November.

When asked about the possibility of bilateral talks, Biden did not rule it out, telling reporters on Thursday that “it remains to be seen.” Lavrov said that drawing conclusions about the schedules of the two leaders from an off-hand remark was “more suitable for journalistic analytical speculation than for real politics.”

Putin and Zelensky to attend G20 – Indonesia
Putin and Zelensky to attend G20 – Indonesia
Speaking on Russian political talk show ‘60 Minutes,’ Lavrov called “a lie” claims that the US government was seeking to resolve the stand-off with Russia over the Ukraine crisis and that it was Moscow’s position that prevented peace negotiations.

“We have received no serious proposals for contact. There were some half-hearted approaches, which we did not reject either and suggested that the people, who want to engage with us in backdoor diplomacy, formulate concrete proposals,” Lavrov revealed.

The would-be mediators did not respond properly, he added.

The minister also expressed skepticism that talks with the US could produce substantial results regarding Ukraine, considering the circumstances. He explained that the US had long become a “de facto” party to the conflict by arming the Ukrainian military and feeding them intelligence.

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[Vicus]

I know the hour is late for must of us...but maybe could help a little bit for the rest...

just trying to browse something else I came to this exercises for dummies:

Some of Us Don't Think the Russian Invasion Was "Aggression." Here's Why.


Imagine if the Mexican army started bombarding American ex-pats living in Mexico with heavy artillery-rounds killing thousands and leaving thousands more wounded. What do you think Joe Biden would do?

Would he brush it off like a big nothingburger and move on or would he threaten the Mexican government with a military invasion that would obliterate the Mexican Army, level their biggest cities, and send the government running for cover?

Which of these two options do you think Biden would choose?

There's no doubt what Biden would do nor is there any question what the 45 presidents who preceded him would do. No US leader would ever stand by and do nothing while thousands of Americans were savagely slaughtered by a foreign government. That just wouldn't happen. They'd all respond quickly and forcefully.

But if that's true, then why isn't the same standard applied to Russia? Isn't the situation in Ukraine nearly identical?

It is nearly identical, only the situation in Ukraine is worse, much worse. And if we stretch our analogy a bit, you'll see why:

Let's say, the US Intelligence agencies discovered that the Mexican government was not acting alone, but was being directed to kill and maim American ex-pats on orders from the Chinese Communist government in Beijing. Can you imagine that?

And the reason the Chinese government wants to kill Americans in Mexico is because they want to lure the US into a long and costly war that will "weaken" the US and pave way for its ultimate splintering into many pieces that China can control and exploit. Does any of this sound familiar? (Check out the Rand Strategy for weakening Russia here)

So, let's say, the Chinese are actually the driving force behind the war in Mexico. Let's say, they toppled the Mexican government years earlier and installed their own puppet regime to do their bidding. Then they armed and trained vast numbers of troops to fight the Americans. They supplied these warriors with cutting-edge weapons and technology, logistical support, satellite and communications assistance, tanks, armored vehicles, anti-ship missiles, and state-of-the-art artillery units all of which were provided with one goal in mind; to crush America in a proxy war that was concocted, controlled and micro-managed from the Chinese Capital of Beijing

Is such a scenario possible?

continue: https://www.sott.net/article/473029-Some-of-Us-Dont-Think-the-Russian-Invasion-Was-Aggression-Heres-Why

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[gnostic9]

Corbett Report interview with Riley Waggaman.
Riley Waggaman of the Edward Slavsquat substack (https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/) joins James once again to update The Corbett Report audience on the situation in Russia. From mandatory clot shot genetic slurry injections for conscripted Russian cannon fodder to the latest developments on the Ukrainian front, you won't want to miss this important conversation.



https://seed132.bitchute.com/GwPziiQZrVT3/rGw4gGaM0uXI.mp4


from 06/10/22


Love peace and joy to all!

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Patrick Lancaster in this video says reportedly 6 people were killed in this attack on the Crimean bridge.

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[Ravenlocke]

Maybe the rhetoric is changing before the G20 summit…
As well the midterm elections due next month…

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[TargeT]

Maybe the rhetoric is changing before the G20 summit…
As well the midterm elections due next month…

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I'm watching... you seem watchable.........


and by that I mean... please put some more of "you" into your posts...... you seem sus, divide and conquer has two sides.... are you one of those???

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[TargeT]

Maybe the rhetoric is changing before the G20 summit…
As well the midterm elections due next month
I'm watching... you seem watchable.........




also.... what is 9 times 9... are you a human or just a polarization bot.... can you do two things at once? (https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/y17oht/proof_that_men_multitask_too/)


what does pink look like? (do you know how to interact?)



If you can go 10 posts with out a twitter link I will wire you 500$ USD... (better hurry, paste proof here in this thread, inflation is decaying the worth of that offer).



Rather than that..... how about this. post ONE MORE inane twitter link; just for posterity. :)

R E S P O N D like a human you bot.......... or don't (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk3hoBCldPY), I'd like to say this would be a challenge, but you haven't made it one (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=27022638).




Mod note from Bill:
Who the heck are you talking to here, and why?
Reported Tweets and Telegram posts are 100% fine. This is a mainly a Ukraine news thread.
It's an efficient way of reporting rapidly changing information, a lot better and less time-consuming in many cases than long videos. If anyone doesn't appreciate that, then just skip the posts and instead write some intelligent personal commentary about the situation, all of which is always appreciated.
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[Tintin]

I began to read the "Audacious" brochure (from Grayzone) with interest, but soon called hoax on it. It looks like a travel brochure rather than a serious military document.

Have you read it? It’s pretty juvenile, and isn’t even written in British English - there are several US spellings (maneuvre? maximise?) and words that are never heard here in the UK (indiction? re-enforcing?). It’s full of spelling errors (vesses? temporally? or my favourite - Black Sea Feet??!) together with random and excessive use of capital letters which is always a red flag - and the date is written in the US style, not the way we write it in the UK.

So no, there's no way Hugh Ward wrote this :wink:

Well, respectfully, I've read through the entire document.

This is actually a Powerpoint presentation with the slides converted to PDF, and I know from experience that occasional errors are made particularly when these are put together in a hurry where time is short.

'Interdict' is often used in language relating to military topics, and, again from experience, sometimes creators of these sorts of presentations will copy and paste from other documents and any Americanisms that appear would likely have been sourced from US military literature.

Kit Klarenberg is one of the very best interpreters of intelligence literature so would be very well placed to detect any red flags. He hasn't and overall there really aren't at all that many errors.

I don't have quite the same level of experience as Kit, obviously, but I am familiar enough with this sort of literature to comfortably assess that this is not a hoax, or a brochure.

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[Journeyman]

I understand Target's point and support his intention. If this thread isn't the place for it, then maybe discussion could take place elsewhere, but it should take place.

I'd like to discuss the war,, but this thread feels like a vehicle for reposting select channels providing one particular viewpoint, many appear to better meet the description of propaganda rather than independent reportage. There are few personal viewpoints being shared, it appears more like a twitter or telegram feed drawn from a narrow frame of reference. The effect on the reader is akin to stepping into an echo chamber than a meeting of minds.

What's worse is that the propaganda posts appear to be carefully calibrated to bring about a particular psychological response. I see a lot of labelling being used. It shouldn't matter what your perspective on these events, any one of us should realise that propaganda exists on all sides of a conflict. The first casualty of war is the truth. Acknowledging that and realising that there are likely truths being voiced by those on the other side is the first step in seeing opponents as human beings rather than the 'other' who can be easily demonised and dehumanised by a label.

If the intention is to capture news, then perhaps there's scope for two threads, one purely for sharing news links and a second where forum members are encouraged to give their own thoughts on what's taking place? That's a thread I'd be interested in posting in. Whereas at present, this thread could just as easily be connected to a few RSS feeds and left to broadcast that one perspective.