WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Bill Ryan]

The first casualty of war is the truth.I understand your point, I truly do. :highfive:

But there are not two versions of actual truth here. Anyone who thinks there are, should know better by now maybe having been a forum member for some time.

I state that definitively, and while it'd be tiresome to argue the point (and I truly don't want to spend time doing so! :) ), it can easily be done.

Regarding the updates, I don't have a smart phone, or a Telegram or Twitter account, so I for one very much appreciate Revenlocke's posts. They're easy to read at a glance, often link to more in-depth articles or videos, and they're simple to skip if the content seems uninteresting at that moment.

To balance that, I totally encourage members to post informed personal opinions about it all, and I try my best to do that myself.

(Mashika is a great example. Even from her hospital bed, she posts long, thoughtful and insightful comments that are almost always thought-provoking. And English isn't even her first or second language, go figure.)

So: in a fast-changing situation, where anything could happen at any time, and there's much much else happening in the world as well in tandem, top-line 'what's-just-happened' summaries are very helpful.

Long long videos with no summaries or time-stamps at all ARE NOT! :)

This thread is super-important. The entire world is changing before our eyes because of the events reported here every day.

And, for anyone who's silly enough to think that Ravenlocke is not a real person. I've exchanged PMs with her myself (hey, TargeT, PMing her is so easy to do!! :P ) to thank her for what is really quite a lot of ongoing work she does every day, which I personally appreciate.

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[Bill Ryan]

From 0:49—19:08 in this new video (streamed 12 hours ago) here's Col. Douglas Macgregor talking to Clayton Morris from Redacted.

I never cease to be impressed at his articulate, concise summary of very complex and difficult issues. In all the time I've watched him, in my opinion he's never got a single thing wrong. He's not explaining what many following this thread don't already know, but for Doug Macgregor fans (and I am one :) ) this is another treat.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u519OI7pPM

[Journeyman]

The first casualty of war is the truth.I understand your point, I truly do. :highfive:

But there are not two versions of actual truth here. Anyone who thinks there are, should know better by now maybe having been a forum member for some time.

I'm not saying there are two versions of actual truth:


The first casualty of war is the truth. Acknowledging that and realising that there are likely truths being voiced by those on the other side is the first step in seeing opponents as human beings rather than the 'other' who can be easily demonised and dehumanised by a label.

And there obviously are some truths being voiced from the Ukrainian side. Even if you see this, as sometimes framed here, as a Manichean struggle between good and evil, can you really argue that one side has a monopoly on truth? That everything coming out of the Kremlin is true and everything from Kiev false? That's a big claim! The problem with the polarised viewpoint that's a hallmark of propaganda and which is increasingly presented here is that the grey areas are removed, the points where opposing forces could potentially meet half-way are eliminated. In this thread we're guaranteed to see the deeds of Kiev represented in the worst possible way and the deeds of Moscow in the best. Historical context is provided in one direction only.

Don't get me wrong, exactly the same process is taking place in many western media discussion sites, only in reverse. They will see something like this:

https://twitter.com/KazanskyiDenis/status/1579809818545917953?s=20

and form their views of Russian attitudes from clips like this:

https://twitter.com/13BulliTs/status/1579817638230134786?s=20

There's no shortage of nutcases on either side of this conflict and if you're selective with what you show it's easy to demonise one side or the other. That's a process that's underway in both West and East right now. I just don't think we should follow suit and at present this thread is presenting a distorted view, which ultimately is harmful to all concerned.


I totally encourage members to post informed personal opinions about it all, and I try my best to do that myself.


I appreciate that Bill and the work that you and the moderating team do. :waving:

To be honest after the response I got last time I pointed out some obvious deceptive propaganda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1503762&viewfull=1#post1503762) I'd given up posting here and just used it read only. I've only broken silence because I appreciated Target's intentions and thought it worth voicing my support. However having voiced my opinion, radio silence once more.

[Tintin]

The first casualty of war is the truth.I understand your point, I truly do. :highfive:

But there are not two versions of actual truth here. Anyone who thinks there are, should know better by now maybe having been a forum member for some time.

I state that definitively, and while it'd be tiresome to argue the point (and I truly don't want to spend time doing so! :) ), it can easily be done.

Regarding the updates, I don't have a smart phone, or a Telegram or Twitter account, so I for one very much appreciate Revenlocke's posts. They're easy to read at a glance, often link to more in-depth articles or videos, and they're simple to skip if the content seems uninteresting at that moment.

To balance that, I totally encourage members to post informed personal opinions about it all, and I try my best to do that myself.

(Mashika is a great example. Even from her hospital bed, she posts long, thoughtful and insightful comments that are almost always thought-provoking. And English isn't even her first or second language, go figure.)

So: in a fast-changing situation, where anything could happen at any time, and there's much much else happening in the world as well in tandem, top-line 'what's-just-happened' summaries are very helpful.

Long long videos with no summaries or time-stamps at all ARE NOT! :)

This thread is super-important. The entire world is changing before our eyes because of the events reported here every day.

And, for anyone who's silly enough to think that Ravenlocke is not a real person. I've exchanged PMs with her myself (hey, TargeT, PMing her is so easy to do!! :P ) to thank her for what is really quite a lot of ongoing work she does every day, which I personally appreciate.

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Yes, absolutely :flower:

I would also add that the thread has had to evolve to keep relevant, informative, and critically important updates as alive as possible and available, for all. I would also stress that what we are all trying to do and actually doing here is (to) objectively present the other voices in this unravelling story so we can assess history from a better fairer informed perspective, that legacy media both won't allow or countenance, and that also maintains permanent archives of what it disseminates, sometimes for many decades.

We need this information, badly; how else can we attain a deeper understanding of what really is an at times most complex situation, without this?

This is what I am also attempting to do in the library; to ensure that there's as permanent a record as is possible for one already busy person to capture and maintain, so that history can be better judged and understood, tomorrow, and isn't lost.

As you (all) are then and keep it coming :muscle:

:focus:

[Bill Ryan]

And there obviously are some truths being voiced from the Ukrainian side. None that I know of! :)

Not one.
If you have a counterexample, please do post it... I would appreciate that. :highfive:

[Vicus]

Ukraine gets highly anticipated arms from Germany – Spiegel
Kiev has received the IRIS-T air defense system even before Berlin’s own military

Ukraine has received the first of four IRIS-T SLM air defense systems from Germany, Der Spiegel reported on Tuesday. With its own weapons stockpiles seriously depleted, Germany is gifting this ultra-modern system to Kiev before its own forces.

The system – which comprises a command vehicle, a radar vehicle, and a truck-mounted launcher capable of firing eight missiles – was handed over to the Ukrainian military next to the Polish-Ukrainian border on Tuesday, the German magazine reported.

The handover took place four days after German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht made an unannounced visit to Ukraine, where she promised her Ukrainian counterpart, Aleksey Reznikov, that his country would receive the IRIS-T “in a few days.” German Chancellor Olaf Scholz pledged to provide this system to Ukraine back in June, with delivery initially slated for November.

In an update on Monday, Lambrecht said that Russia’s devastating missile strikes on Ukrainian military and infrastructure targets that morning showed “how important it is to supply Ukraine with air defense systems quickly.”

Berlin has promised Ukraine at least four IRIS-T systems, each of which can supposedly strike incoming missiles up to 40 kilometers (25 miles) away. Ukraine has reportedly asked Germany for at least a dozen of these systems, and offered to purchase them directly from the manufacturer, Diehl Defense.

Germany’s own military has yet to field a single ground-based IRIS-T system, with the remaining three pledged to Ukraine yet to be manufactured, Der Spiegel reported. Germany has faced persistent criticism from Kiev for its supposed hesitance in donating sufficiently heavy weaponry, but the arms it has sent have left its own stocks depleted.

Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock warned of “absolute deficits” in Germany’s weapons stocks in August, and a report by Business Insider on Saturday revealed that the Bundeswehr (German Army) has only enough ammunition for two days of warfare.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564488-ukraine-germany-iris-system/

[Vicus]

NATO admitted it’s at war with Russia – Medvedev
The former Russian president has claimed the bloc’s secretary-general confirmed its direct participation in the Ukraine conflict

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg may have inadvertently admitted that the Western military alliance is at war with Moscow, at least in the eyes of former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. At issue is Stoltenberg’s statement on Tuesday that a military victory for Russia in Ukraine would be a defeat for NATO.

Medvedev called the comment “an open confirmation of NATO’s participation in the war against our country – an unwise, but pure-hearted remark. The honest Norwegian fellow has finally admitted it.”

Stoltenberg, formerly prime minister of Norway, made his comments in a press briefing as NATO ministers prepared to meet on Wednesday with Ukrainian Defense Minister Aleksey Reznikov. Among other issues, the ministers will discuss how to meet Kiev’s “urgent needs” and shore up their own weapons stockpiles after shipping billions of dollars’ worth of military aid to Ukraine in hopes of helping to defeat Russian forces.

“There’s an urgent need for air defense, but of course also many other capabilities – precision-guided ammunition, HIMARS and other advanced, modern, NATO-standard systems,” Stoltenberg said of Ukraine’s aid requests. He added that NATO members are providing unprecedented support because “they understand that we have a moral, political and security interest in ensuring that Ukraine wins the war against President Putin.”

Russian officials have pointed out that providing more advanced weaponry to Ukraine, such as multiple rocket launcher (MRL) systems, will increase the risk of triggering a wider conflict. “The fastest way to bring the conflict in Ukraine to the point of no return is to arm the psychos in Kiev with longer-range MRLs,” Medvedev said. “The elderly leaders of Washington and NATO upstarts must use their softened brains at least sometimes.”

Stoltenberg insisted that NATO is “not a party to the conflict,” even as it plays a “key role.” He vowed that the bloc will stand with Ukraine “as long as it takes” to defeat Russia. “It is important for all of us that Ukraine wins the battle, the war against the invading Russian forces, because if Putin wins, that is not only a big defeat for Ukrainians, but it will be a defeat and dangerous for all of us.”

The NATO chief also accused Putin of “reckless nuclear rhetoric,” contributing to “the most significant escalation since the start of the war.” However, when asked whether the risk of a miscalculation amid heightened tensions with Russia prompted NATO members to consider canceling or modifying the bloc’s planned nuclear drill next week, he said, “Now is the right time to be firm and to be clear that NATO is there to protect and defend all allies.”

https://www.rt.com/news/564503-medvedev-stoltenberg-nato-war/ please delete

[Vicus]

Kiev targets ‘pro-Kremlin’ senior cleric
The priest has rejected accusations, blaming the SBU raid on a conspiracy by a rival schismatic Orthodox Church

Ukraine’s Security Services (SBU) have raided the office and residence of senior cleric Ionafan, accusing him of sowing religious discord and supporting Russia.

Ionafan is the metropolitan bishop of the Tulchin diocese in Vinnitsa Region, subordinate to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), which declared independence and autocephaly from the Moscow Patriarchate earlier this year following the outbreak of the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

“The metropolitan on his own internet resource posted publications containing calls for inciting interfaith hatred. The expertise commissioned by the SBU confirmed the illegal nature of the suspect’s actions,” the security service said in a statement.

The SBU claimed it had seized incriminating materials, including various “printed pro-Russian content and propaganda literature.” Imagery released by the SBU shows assorted leaflets, including one reading “Donbass is Russia,” credit cards issued by the country’s SberBank, as well as a portrait of Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

A pre-trial probe into the bishop’s alleged activities has been launched. So far, however, Ionafan has not been detained by the Ukrainian authorities.

The priest has firmly rejected the allegations raised by the SBU, claiming that the raid was part of efforts to seize a local cathedral from the UOC. Moreover, the metropolitan implied the “evidence” recovered during the raid of his home had been planted.

“I believe that the aforementioned actions are deliberate and directed against the Ukrainian Orthodox Church as a whole and against the authority of the Tulchin diocese hierarchs and sowing confusion among its clergy and believers. And in the future, the capture of its Tulchinsky Christ-Nativity Cathedral in favor of a ‘privileged’ religious organization,” Ionafan said in a statement.

While the cleric did not name the “organization” explicitly, he was apparently referring to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU), a breakaway entity established with active help from the country’s authorities and then-president Petro Poroshenko. Ukraine has long experienced religious tensions, with multiple unrecognized entities claiming to be the true Ukrainian Orthodox Church and challenging the authority of the Moscow Patriarchate.

Poroshenko’s efforts, however, caused an open schism within the Ukrainian Orthodox community back in 2018. The rivalry between different churches was further aggravated by the ongoing conflict, with the UOC declaring its autocephaly from the Moscow Patriarchate back in May.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564545-ukraine-orthodox-cleric-sbu/

[kfm27917]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/this-is-russias-electronic-warfare-helicopter-jamming-in-ukraine

[Michel Leclerc]

The first casualty of war is the truth.I understand your point, I truly do. :highfive:

But there are not two versions of actual truth here. Anyone who thinks there are, should know better by now maybe having been a forum member for some time.





I state that definitively, and while it'd be tiresome to argue the point (and I truly don't want to spend time doing so! :) ), it can easily be done.

Regarding the updates, I don't have a smart phone, or a Telegram or Twitter account, so I for one very much appreciate Revenlocke's posts. They're easy to read at a glance, often link to more in-depth articles or videos, and they're simple to skip if the content seems uninteresting at that moment.

To balance that, I totally encourage members to post informed personal opinions about it all, and I try my best to do that myself.

(Mashika is a great example. Even from her hospital bed, she posts long, thoughtful and insightful comments that are almost always thought-provoking. And English isn't even her first or second language, go figure.)

So: in a fast-changing situation, where anything could happen at any time, and there's much much else happening in the world as well in tandem, top-line 'what's-just-happened' summaries are very helpful.

Long long videos with no summaries or time-stamps at all ARE NOT! :)

This thread is super-important. The entire world is changing before our eyes because of the events reported here every day.

And, for anyone who's silly enough to think that Ravenlocke is not a real person. I've exchanged PMs with her myself (hey, TargeT, PMing her is so easy to do!! :P ) to thank her for what is really quite a lot of ongoing work she does every day, which I personally appreciate.

:focus:

I agree fully Bill.

Target, I have always appreciated your dry comments. Well, you know the story about facts and interpretation. How aware we need to be of the fact that interpretations are not, or are more than, facts. But we tend to forget that in order to give meaningful interpretations of facts, we need to have the facts first. Ravenlocke does that, not “all” the facts, but facts. Maybe with a propagandistic slant occasionally (not Ravenlocke’s, but the author’s of the quoted message), but then that slant can be peeled off rather easily and you, I can still get to the facts. As in the West, where I live, news is heavily censored, and as I do not wish to have a Twitter account, I appreciate to get facts so my interpretation stance can start working.

Journeyman. “The first casualty of war is the truth”. An empty statement. If that were the case, any initiative that may end a war is hopeless. This statement either holds for any social transaction, where lying is always involved, or for none. War is not special in that. And, as in any social transaction, truth is also there. It is essential that we look for it and find it – as for any social transaction.

We need as much truth as possible, and that means as many facts as possible. And our interpretation of them should be as open-minded as possible (I’m writing that with Richard D. Hall’s thoughts in mind about the timing of the Nato-supported planned large-scale attack of the Donbass prior to Russia’s special military operation as a function of the larger purposes of the anti-"covid" inoculation program), mobilising our faculties as comprehensively as ppossible.

[Michel Leclerc]

Journeyman, thank you for the extraordinary video with statements made by Pavel Gubarev. Russian racists do exist. Please do upload similar links – even if you do not want to comment on them or on the discussion.

Do consider also the possibility that facts are relayed by a member not because he or she supports just one side but because due to circumstances he or she has the ability of relaying just one side’s facts.

[Ravenlocke]

From Youblacksoul this is Ukrainian refugees in the UK expressing their democratic freedom today.

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580241587162218497
1580241587162218497


About Pavel Gubarev, interesting if you watch the whole video you get what he actually said not just a cut up version, so it’s up to each individual viewer to interperet any way they want.

https://twitter.com/Raybee980959061/status/1579884390007836672
1579884390007836672

So from that clip the public can make up their mind as to how hateful most Russians are towards Ukrainians, they want to kill them all.
Because:

It’s Russia victimizing Ukraine, torturing the AFU military like the Russian soldiers that were shot in the legs and left to bleed to death, the Russian soldiers that were tied to a wooden cross and burned alive and videoed dying.

This isn’t a NATO proxy war against Russia. No foreign mercenaries including British and American are involved in fighting against Russia.
There were no foreign mercenaries in Azovstal steel plant.

It’s not Zelensky conscripting Ukrainians, sending them to their death, most against their will to fight, ill equipped and untrained, and shot to death by their commanders if they try to desert.

It’s Russia that sanctioned the EU and NATO Allies not the other way around.

It’s Russia bombing Donetsk and civilians in the Donbas region of Ukraine, every day, it’s Russia planting mine fields and spreading Petal mines, Russia that had “The Pit” in Azovstal- Mariupol. where civilians were tortured horribly to death, not Azov battalion.

Russia bombed its own prison in Yelenka (don’t have the correct spelling, pardon me),

Russia bombs themselves every day at the Zaporozhye Energodar NPP, and IAEA reprentatives when they finally came to go tour the plant almost got kidnapped by the Ukrainians who were going to use kill them and blame it on Russia.

Russia let loose the jailed criminals , not Zelensky, a group called Tornado, they were in jail for heinous crimes including raping children.
It’s Russia that instigated the 2014 Maidan coup, burned 42 people alive, and strangled a young pregnant woman to death that very day.

It’s not the SBU that take people away from their families simply for writing a blog that seems pro Russian, and these people disappear, never to be seen again. I think even Mashika talked about this on this very thread. She also warned us about the brutality of the SBU.
How about that mayor a few months ago whose young teenage daughter was abducted by the SBU to make the mayor do their bidding.
The fake Bucha massacres,
The cemetery full of dead Ukrainian soldiers that the Russians buried because AFU leave their dead behind. Now Ukraine is unburying them and trying to pass them off as another Russian massacre. Have to keep feeding the Russophobia, feeding the hatred for Russians.
How else would the atrocities against the oppressed, the meek, the invisible, silent people be justified.

The OSCE which I thought was supposed to be impartial, some of their agents were colluding and passing information to the Sbu, you can find news on that in this thread, I’m only pointing from memory here.

Gonzalo Lira was silenced by the SBU

The many elderly bombed in their homes because they’re too old to move away to safety, they’re forgotten, not important I guess.

The bombed children 2014 to the present in the Donbass. Even Russia has a huge street exhibit of some of these dead children.

Except for Russia providing tons of humanitarian aid to the afflicted civilian population, the civilians that are punished and arrested and tortured and killed for accepting aid from Russia. They give humanitarian aid to the people that survive hidden in basements until the AFU leave or they are liberated living in destroyed buildings. The AFU who take over kindergarten schools and turn them into their stronghold, the AFU that invade peoples apartment homes mostly the roof top apartments, because the logic is the Russians wouldn’t bomb the building with civilians in them.
The Mariupol theatre the AFU blew it up after telling civilians to go there at noontime, to blow them up. The news and pictures are in this thread.


Gleb Bazov was censored on Twitter for posting the video of the Russian street exhibit on his Twitter account.

Gonzalo Lira was arrested by the SBU and lately his newer Twitter account has also been suspended.

Why does Twitter decide and designate any Twitter account that sympathizes or even reports anything twitter deems as against the pro Ukraine rhetoric, they mark the account as “Russia state affiliated”, which then brings more attention from haters to those accounts.
And as soon as enough haters report those guys as offensive they suspend those accounts and delete their tweets.

Youblacksoul was one of those suspended from Twitter for documenting atrocities, photos and videos of torture, etc committed by Ukrainians at the beginning of this war.

Why are most truthers posting news from the Russian side on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram censored and deleted or so “Nafoed”, they have to either delete their tweets or make them private to their followers only?

The news media has been polarized from the beginning of this war, the pro Ukraine side, pro Russophobia especially since the US, Uk, EU among other countries, are aiding Ukraine via funds and military equipment and sanctioning Russia.

What news I post is the side not allowed to freely report without being labeled, censored, threatened, hated, hidden, and more, as best I can.
I also am aware that by doing this I’ve also become a target not just by those complaining here but I’m a target because of what I post.
I also assume the mods will let me know if what I post is inappropriate and they are free to delete all my posts.

It does take a lot of time and energy to find, discern and post most of this and I’m sorry that it offends some of you, it doesn’t make me feel good either, nor help me health wise but I want to know what’s going on from the “other side” , the unpopular side. So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended.
Also I wasn’t aware that you couldn’t post news contrary to what news I post. And I do not comment because it’s mostly self explanatory information.

I wish you all a good evening🌞




https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjakj5/eastern-ukraine-rebel-leader-pavel-gubarev-is-unconscious-after-attack

October 13, 2014, 2:38pm

Eastern Ukraine Rebel Leader Pavel Gubarev Is Unconscious After Attack
His car crashed after gunmen opened fire as he was traveling in the Donetsk region, rife with rumors of political infighting and rivalries.


Pavel Gubarev, one of the leaders of eastern Ukraine's rebel insurgency, is unconscious in hospital after his car was shot in an ambush on Sunday, it has emerged.

Rumors of political infighting and rivalries are rife in the lawless rebel-held territory as self-styled politicians with guns jostle for power in the build-up to an election scheduled for early November.

Posting on her Facebook page, Gubarev's wife Ekaterina said that her husband was on the road from Rostov-on-Don in Russia to Donetsk, the heart of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, when another vehicle cut up his car and opened fire, causing the driver to crash into a concrete pillar. Ekaterina said her husband had not been shot and is expected to regain consciousness at "any moment."

Coups and backroom deals are a regular occurrence in the fledgling rebel republic, which has had three self-styled prime ministers at its helm since being founded in mid-April.

Gubarev — among the original leaders of the rebel movement — was imprisoned in Kiev for his activities related to separatism in the early days of the uprising. Upon his release, however, the rebel leader who used to work as a Santa-for-hire, found he had been ousted from the top spot by Denis Pushilin. Previously an unknown face in the separatist movement Pushilin, who has a penchant for shiny blue suits, was the first to formally take the title of "prime minister" in the Donetsk People's Republic.

Since then Gubarev has remained a feature in the rebel political administration as the Donetsk "People's Governor," but has been seen as more of a figurehead than as a politician capable of exerting influence over decision-making processes. His waning power took another blow in August when his ally Igor Strelkov, once a revered commander of the republic's militia, was also pushed from power. Strelkov, a nom de guerre that means shooter in Russian, fled the region after being summarily dismissed from his post as the republic's "defense minister."

Recently Gubarev, who regularly posts clips of long monotone Russian Imperialist rants on Youtube, also made a cameo in a bizarre rebel musical propaganda video featuring a stereotypically traditional Russian family singing and playing accordion at the kitchen table. With dark rings under his eyes, Gubarev's guest appearance seems stilted and scripted. "For Russia! From Kamchatka to Odessa, united and indivisible" he tells the camera finishing with a grimace.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's Col. Douglas Macgregor talking to Judge Napolitano, livestreamed 4 hours ago. It's a longer than usual interview for him, lasting a full half hour.

Again, Macgregor's not saying anything those following this thread don't already know and understand. It's aimed mainly at those who are genuinely interested in updates, but who may have little time to follow the many daily changing developments.

To assist those viewers, Napolitano fires a salvo of direct questions, the answers to which many regular concerned intelligent people would like to know. (Like, can Ukraine win this war? Or, will Putin use nuclear weapons? Or, have the 300,000 reservists reached the front lines yet?)

I don't need to know these answers myself, but I regard Macgregor's concise and crystal clear exposition as a treat to be enjoyed — and that's why I'm also sharing this video. :thumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zk8_TWszFQ

And a tidbit of quite some surprise and interest to me: at 21:19 Macgregor tells Napolitano that he's "not convinced this is the original Joe Biden... I don't think it is."

(I wasn't expecting him to say that... not even Tucker Calrson or Joe Rogan have said that... yet. :) )

[Bill Ryan]

I also assume the mods will let me know if what I post is inappropriate and they are free to delete all my posts.

It does take a lot of time and energy to find, discern and post most of this and I’m sorry that it offends some of you, it doesn’t make me feel good either, nor help me health wise but I want to know what’s going on from the “other side” , the unpopular side. So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended.
Also I wasn’t aware that you couldn’t post news contrary to what news I post. And I do not comment because it’s mostly self explanatory information.

I wish you all a good evening🌞

Ravenlocke, I do hope you saw and read my post #5751 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1522401&viewfull=1#post1522401) on the previous page. :thumbsup:

Nothing you've posted is inappropriate. It's very much appreciated. If I've been out for most or even half of the day, the first thing I do to see what's been happening is skim through your updates on this thread.

(And the useful thing with Twitter and Telegram is that one can indeed skim them quickly, impossible with long videos and not at all easy with long articles.)

You do a great job on the Turmoil and Chaos all over the Planet (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108995-Turmoil-and-Chaos-all-over-the-Planet) thread, too. Twitter and Telegram work well there, for exactly the same reasons. Who knew there was turmoil in Malawi? Or Panama? Or New Zealand? The quick-scan posts there, often featuring one-sentence summaries with an image or a short video, allow readers to then to dive more deeply into those specific news stories if they want to.

But they have to know the stories are there first, so they can be dived more deeply into.


So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended. TargeT, accusing you of being a bot (he really meant it!), was out of order — and I'll state that publicly here.

It's SO simple for anyone to see from your 2271 posts that you're not! :) And they're all easy to search for and find, dating 11 years back to 2011.

"all of you that complained and are offended" may be a couple of people. Meanwhile, besides all the members who regularly follow this thread every day, I suspect for the same reasons I do, there are regularly 20, 30 or more guests reading the thread much of the day.

Why? Because this thread is an excellent, user-friendly, running real-time truth-committed ongoing news digest. (And searching the thread, an archive of events, too.)

You won't get that on CNN. :)

:focus:

[Operator]

byBTtJW-008

I am not sure if I can post a youtube video at a certain timemark like this but it should start at 28 minutes and 26 seconds in.
Or try this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byBTtJW-008&t=1706s

At the given timemark they present a video that allegedly show 2 missiles hitting the Kerch bridge. When I saw the very first footage from
the security cameras on the bridge I felt that the explosion seemed far more powerful than just a bomb in a truck. Also when you look at
the result the bridge is damaged at 2 different points. Can a bomb in a truck do that?
To get this all perfectly synchronised it may have been a missile strike on a truck loaded with explosives.
And as far as I know the Ukrainians do not have long range (cruise) missiles to hit that bridge. So what exactly happened here?

[TargeT]

Mod note from Bill:
Who the heck are you talking to here, and why?
Reported Tweets and Telegram posts are 100% fine. This is a mainly a Ukraine news thread.
It's an efficient way of reporting rapidly changing information, a lot better and less time-consuming in many cases than long videos. If anyone doesn't appreciate that, then just skip the posts and instead write some intelligent personal commentary about the situation, all of which is always appreciated.
:focus:


I guess my decades of experience working for the most powerful propaganda machine in the world gives me no insight to reality; my point is (unless it's deleted) set in history... we'll see how it plays out.

I think I see the out come and alluded to that in my previous posts on this thread.

question everything, always.


duration proves truth almost always... urgency or "desperately" clinging to one side seems to always play out the same way............ I think we've seen this over and over on this very forum.


i love intelligent responses, is this your offering?



And as far as I know the Ukrainians do not have long range (cruise) missiles to hit that bridge. So what exactly happened here?

if I had 60+ billion given to me in the last few months I might be surprising also. NOTHING TO SEE HERE! (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/)

[iota]

The first casualty of war is the truth.I understand your point, I truly do. :highfive:

But there are not two versions of actual truth here. Anyone who thinks there are, should know better by now maybe having been a forum member for some time.

I'm not saying there are two versions of actual truth:


The first casualty of war is the truth. Acknowledging that and realising that there are likely truths being voiced by those on the other side is the first step in seeing opponents as human beings rather than the 'other' who can be easily demonised and dehumanised by a label.

And there obviously are some truths being voiced from the Ukrainian side. Even if you see this, as sometimes framed here, as a Manichean struggle between good and evil, can you really argue that one side has a monopoly on truth? That everything coming out of the Kremlin is true and everything from Kiev false? That's a big claim! The problem with the polarised viewpoint that's a hallmark of propaganda and which is increasingly presented here is that the grey areas are removed, the points where opposing forces could potentially meet half-way are eliminated. In this thread we're guaranteed to see the deeds of Kiev represented in the worst possible way and the deeds of Moscow in the best. Historical context is provided in one direction only.

Don't get me wrong, exactly the same process is taking place in many western media discussion sites, only in reverse. They will see something like this:

https://twitter.com/KazanskyiDenis/status/1579809818545917953?s=20

and form their views of Russian attitudes from clips like this:

https://twitter.com/13BulliTs/status/1579817638230134786?s=20

There's no shortage of nutcases on either side of this conflict and if you're selective with what you show it's easy to demonise one side or the other. That's a process that's underway in both West and East right now. I just don't think we should follow suit and at present this thread is presenting a distorted view, which ultimately is harmful to all concerned.


I totally encourage members to post informed personal opinions about it all, and I try my best to do that myself.


I appreciate that Bill and the work that you and the moderating team do. :waving:

To be honest after the response I got last time I pointed out some obvious deceptive propaganda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1503762&viewfull=1#post1503762) I'd given up posting here and just used it read only. I've only broken silence because I appreciated Target's intentions and thought it worth voicing my support. However having voiced my opinion, radio silence once more.

thanks Journeyman for taking the time to voice your support

i have to second, or in this case, third that myself

i had come to this thread initially with interest

but the post after post after post with no insight or comment struck me as odd and robotic as well

in my case, i DID do as Bill suggested and simply tuned out, i know how to simply skip posts

and this was the choice i made here and for the same reasons voiced above

i highly suspect we are not the only ones to simply quietly move elsewhere

but felt it important to post my support as well for both T and Journeyman

support for friends is something i saw CLEARLY shown yesterday

so i KNOW that is allowed as the example was CLEARLY given

so just doing the same for two of my friends, T and Journeyman

no offense towards Ravenlocke, and if Bill has verified her as real, that's good enough for me

STILL, it doesn't change the impression given over and over and over and over again

i've seen similar comments in the past go unchallenged so i kinda find it odd to have it challenged here

it is simply an observation, nothing more, nothing less

one made many a time in many a thread here, c'est toute

this is an important topic and i appreciate ALL information in respect to it

even if from an opposing view .. i've learned:

you can ALWAYS learn something from everything

and i prefer to know and personally evaluate than not to

that's my personal intake

sorry to have you on radio silence Journeyman, i've expressed my appreciation for your insights in the past, and i would greatly love to have them continue again as i, for one, appreciated them

:focus:

now ... what i came here to report is:


https://polskiobserwator.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/putin.jpg

Ukraine war: Putin tells Europe he's 'ready' to resume gas supplies

Euronews reports:

"Russian President Vladimir Putin said the "ball is in the court" of the European Union, after declaring that he's prepared to resume gas supplies to Europe via a link of the Germany-bound Nord Stream 2 pipeline under the Baltic Sea.

"Russia is ready for the start of deliveries. The ball is in the EU's court. If they want to, then the taps can be turned on, and that's that," Putin said.

Speaking at the Moscow energy forum on Wednesday, Russia's leader accused the US of being behind the explosions that caused the gas leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 on 30 September. He said the US wants to weaken Europe -- and force the bloc to turn to American gas companies.

"There is no doubt that this is an act of international terrorism, the purpose of which is to undermine the energy security of the entire continent".

"The logic is cynical --to destroy, block sources of cheap energy, deprive millions of people, industrial consumers of gas, heat, electricity, and other resources and force them to buy all this at much higher prices. To force".

Washington has denied the allegations.

An investigation is underway into explosions last month that ruptured the Russian-built pipelines on the bed of the Baltic Sea. Europe suspects an act of sabotage that Moscow quickly sought to blame on the West.

Russia's war against Ukraine has driven a major effort by the EU and other European countries to ditch their reliance on Russian oil and gas and seek out alternative suppliers.

EU energy ministers met in Prague on Wednesday to try to agree new measures to tackle the energy crisis, and leaders are expected to sign off on new measures next week."

article with video can be seen here:
https://www.euronews.com/2022/10/12/president-putin-tells-europe-hes-ready-to-resume-gas-supplies

personally? i find it preposterous and just about criminally negligent that the people be provided NO choice or voice in the actions their government is taking to deny them what they desperately need

it is an economic act of terrorism as well, by FORCING the people to buy gas at a much higher cost than is actually necessary

the cost should be passed to the ones making the CHOICE to have it be so, i feel

[Tintin]

A two minute impassioned pushback on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez here, which is quite stirring:

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Source: https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga/status/1580364662419312641

[kfm27917]

In Ukraine, filmed a staged video with dozens of wounded during explosions in Kyiv
Video footage and photographs of the wounded in Kyiv turned out to be staged scenes.

Video footage appeared on the Web proving that the number of wounded as a result of explosions on the territory of Kyiv on October 10 turned out to be, to put it mildly, cheated. As it turned out, the representatives of the SBU specially dressed people as victims and issued the corresponding video footage as an alleged act of aggression.

In the video footage obtained by the news agency Avia.pro, you can see that the video footage and photographs with a couple of injured people turned out to be nothing more than props. In particular, when shooting from a different angle, you can see that the woman is not injured at all, but asks to take a fake picture with supposedly wounded and put it on the Web.


At the moment, there are other photographs and video footage, so far indirectly proving that Kyiv was trying to create a provocation directed against Russia. However, with the advent of information leakage, so far in Kyiv they do not dare to comment on what is happening on the video.

According to the Ukrainian side, on October 10, more than a hundred people were injured as a result of the explosions, however, taking into account staged filming, the number of those may be many times less.

https://avia-pro.net/news/na-ukraine-snyali-postanovochnoe-video-s-desyatkami-ranenyh-vo-vremya-vzryvov-v-kieve

[Rizotto]

Great interview by Ania and Scott Ritter. Many questions concerning Poland's possible moves with regards to Ukraine.

"SCOTT RITTER ON NATO'S NUCLEAR EXERCISES; SITUATION BETWEEN BELARUS AND POLAND; RUSSIA AND UKRAINE."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlP6rtawQLo

This left me with so many questions though. Why would Poland send 5,000 soldiers to fight for Ukraine. And then try to take over some areas (Galicia?) of Ukraine? I'm confused by all of these old conflicts throughout Europe that keep resurging in some form or other. The USA role in this war is quite clear: they want to maintain hegemony and economic control worldwide, therefore they must destroy any potential competitor, such as Russia.

But what is unclear to me is why are there people in Europe ready to oblige the USA's intentions of destroying Russia, even though the Soviet threat is long gone. I'm specifically talking about some EU people's apparent hatred against Russia from countries like Ukraine and Poland. This isn't a rhetorical question. Understanding this matter might be part of the key to resolving this conflict. Or maybe it's just the elite leaders of Poland who are insane, like Ania and Scott are saying in the above interview, and not the ordinary citizens. Would especially like to hear from any Polish person who might be following this thread.

[Harmony]

Great interview by Ania and Scott Ritter. Many questions concerning Poland's possible moves with regards to Ukraine.

"SCOTT RITTER ON NATO'S NUCLEAR EXERCISES; SITUATION BETWEEN BELARUS AND POLAND; RUSSIA AND UKRAINE."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlP6rtawQLo

This left me with so many questions though. Why would Poland send 5,000 soldiers to fight for Ukraine. And then try to take over some areas (Galicia?) of Ukraine? I'm confused by all of these old conflicts throughout Europe that keep resurging in some form or other. The USA role in this war is quite clear: they want to maintain hegemony and economic control worldwide, therefore they must destroy any potential competitor, such as Russia.

But what is unclear to me is why are there people in Europe ready to oblige the USA's intentions of destroying Russia, even though the Soviet threat is long gone. I'm specifically talking about some EU people's apparent hatred against Russia from countries like Ukraine and Poland. This isn't a rhetorical question. Understanding this matter might be part of the key to resolving this conflict. Or maybe it's just the elite leaders of Poland who are insane, like Ania and Scott are saying in the above interview, and not the ordinary citizens. Would especially like to hear from any Polish person who might be following this thread.


That is a good question and I hope someone can answer that may know more. I checked and Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland) has this to say about some of the history. I cannot say if it is all true or not. I have known Polish people over the years and I know they had terrible memories about Russia and Germany themselves and their ancestors. It may be hard for some to look at the present without thinking of the past. Like most, I wish for peace between all nations, leaders that represent the people that want peace and goodness to be our future.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/ReadovkaWorld/status/1580566778974912512
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580500715490852865
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580570255251804160
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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564610-kuleba-prank-callers-crimea-bridge/

Ukraine behind attacks on Russian regions, FM admits to prank callers

Ukraine's Foreign Minister has admitted that Kiev is behind sabotage operations in Russia, many of which which have killed innocent civilians.

Dmitry Kuleba was speaking with a person he believed to be a former American ambassador to Moscow, according to Russian pranksters with a history of targetting senior political figures.

“Well, if you were to ask me who blows up things in Crimea or Belgorod, then speaking privately, as much privacy we can have in a Zoom call, I’d tell you, yes, that was us,” the top Ukrainian diplomat was shown saying in footage, which was released on Thursday.

The apparent admission was obtained by two Russian entertainers who go by the stage names Vovan and Lexus. They usually pose as foreign officials and trick their target into saying things that he or she would probably not want the public to hear.

During the conversation with Kuleba, the duo posed as Michael McFaul, a former US ambassador to Russia and a vocal critic of Moscow. Among other things, McFaul is involved in an advisory group that helps Kiev ensure continued support from Western governments.

Madrid’s mayor suggests deporting Ukrainians during prank call READ MORE: Madrid’s mayor suggests deporting Ukrainians during prank call
The prank involved the fake former-diplomat asking Kuleba about Ukrainian intelligence agents, whom he assumed to be active in Russia.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called Kuleba’s words an admission of criminality by the Ukrainian state. Kiev’s top diplomat “confessed to committing terrorism. And in such a way – ‘yes, that’s us.’ Not just the special services or individual saboteurs. The government, the state,” she said on social media.

The pranksters did not reveal the date of the conversation, but they discussed remarks that Zakharova made on September 1st and Kuleba’s travel plans for October, placing it sometime last month.

When discussing with ‘McFaul’ Crimea’s significance in Russia’s military operation against Ukraine, Kuleba called the region a “source of ammo” for Russian troops and “an air base for their warplanes.”

Destroying military sites in Crimea “has a direct impact” on the effectiveness of the Russian forces, he said. But the peninsula “is not the immediate operative target” for the Ukrainian military, he noted.

Ukraine behind Crimean Bridge blast – US media
Ukraine behind Crimean Bridge blast – US media
The foreign minister was also skeptical about engaging with nations in Africa in the context of Kiev’s conflict with Moscow.

“All of a sudden, our friends and partners, the US, the Europeans started a few months ago saying that working with Africa was super important, so that Africa was on our side,” he said.

Kuleba claimed that some African countries “have taken either an openly strictly pro-Russian position or a strictly neutral position. Those cannot be swayed, no matter how much time you spend.” He added that chasing the support of African leaders would motivate them “to profit from” the conflict in Ukraine rather than to take a position “based on facts.”

The minister reiterated Kiev’s calls for increased economic sanctions on Moscow, suggesting that the US and its allies impose restrictions on the Russian civilian nuclear industry. Kuleba urged for more weapons supplies, specifically asking for US-made Patriot long-range anti-aircraft missiles. He also discussed Kiev’s financial situation and how the government hoped that the IMF would provide more loans so that it could operate in the coming year.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564591-belgorod-building-shelling-ukraine/

Apartment building hit during Ukrainian shelling of Russian city – mayor

An apartment block has been hit and damaged during the Ukrainian shelling of the Russian city of Belgorod, Mayor Anton Ivanov has said.

“Air defenses had to be activated today again. There’s damage to a building on Gubkina Street,” he wrote on Telegram on Thursday.

The mayor later announced that around 12.40pm local time an unidentified object crashed into the roof of an apartment block as a result of operations involving the air defense systems.

The residents of the affected building have been evacuated, he said, adding that no casualties have yet been reported following the incident.

Images on social media have shown smoke coming from the roof of an apartment block and rubble scattered on the ground.

Some reports have suggested that debris from an incoming projectile or drone may have fallen on the building after being struck by the air defense systems.

Belgorod, which has a population of some 356,000, is the main city of Russia’s Belgorod Region.

READ MORE: Ukraine targets energy infrastructure in Russia – governor
It’s among the border regions that have come under repeated Ukrainian shelling and drone attacks since the outbreak of the conflict between Moscow and Kiev in late February.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1580521409859981313
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https://tass.com/world/1522157?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

CICA countries’ leaders on new centers of power in Asia and multi-polar world

According to Vladimir Putin, the Asian countries contribute heavily to world economic growth

ASTANA, October 13. /TASS/. The world is becoming multipolar, with Asia playing a key role and new centers of power gaining strength in the region, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the summit of the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia (CICA) on Thursday.

The Asian countries, he said, contribute heavily to world economic growth. Given the shift of the focus of global politics and economics towards Asia, the countries of that region should not waste time and develop the Eurasian space, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko believes. Asia must not permit greater protectionism and the introduction of new restrictions, said Uzbek President Shavkat Mirziyoyev.

TASS has summarized the key statements made at the CICA summit.

On the multipolar world

"The world is becoming truly multipolar. Asia is playing a very noticeable role, if not the key one in this process. New centers of power are getting stronger there," Putin said. Russia, together with the Asian countries, is doing its utmost to form a system of equitable and indivisible security "based on the universally recognized principles of international law and the UN Charter."

The Asian countries are the driving force of world economic growth. Russia stands for "the development and prosperity of Asia, the creation of a wide and open space for mutually beneficial trade and investment cooperation, and for the expansion and deepening of cooperative ties in various branches of the economy."

The time has come for Asia to take center stage in the world and it is important not to miss this chance. "Further expansion of the dialogue and cooperation among the CICA states is more relevant than ever," Lukashenko believes. The CSTO, SCO and CICA are capable of laying a solid foundation for the successful development of the Eurasian space.

On security in Asia

The spread of terrorism and NATO’s expansion undermine security in the region, said Iran’s President Ebrahim Raisi. Tehran condemns economic terrorism and is exerting every effort to combat it.

Organizations existing in Asia do not fully use their potential for preventing conflict situations in the region, Kyrgyzstan’s President of Sadyr Japarov said. It is necessary to pay attention to the fight against terrorism, extremism and transnational crime.

The world is facing serious challenges in many areas. "Humanity is living through a period when the balance of power has changed and supply chains have been disrupted," said Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. "The global security architecture must be formed on the basis of a more equitable understanding."

The security situation is deteriorating catastrophically not only in Europe but throughout the world. The West's practice of staging coups in countries and imposing sanctions is impermissible and "fraught with the risks of triggering a third world war, in which there will be no winners," Lukashenko said.

On the food crisis

Regional associations, Putin said, have to handle many acute problems, including "greater volatility of the world prices of energy, food, fertilizers, raw materials and other important goods, which leads to a deterioration in the quality of life in both developed and developing countries."

"Moreover, there is a real threat of famine and large-scale social upheavals, especially in the poorest countries," he said.

Russia calls for the removal of all artificial and illegitimate barriers to supply chains in the world. Moscow, for its part, "is exerting every effort to provide crucial products to countries in need."

On the global financial system

Russia advocates a revision of the fundamental principles of the global financial system, "which for decades allowed the self-proclaimed so-called ‘golden billion’ to keep a firm grip on all flows of capital and technology and to a large extent to live at someone else's expense," Putin said.

As a first step, it is necessary to use national currencies more actively in mutual settlements, which would help countries strengthen their financial sovereignty and deepen regional economic integration, he stressed.

On Afghanistan

Afghanistan remains one of the most acute challenges to security in the region, Putin stressed. Due to more than 20 years of US and NATO military presence and the failure of their policies, that country has been unable to independently resolve the problems associated with terrorist threats, which is well seen in the ongoing series of bloody terrorist attacks.

"To normalize the situation in Afghanistan it is necessary to jointly promote its economic recovery."

Russia calls for compensating "for the damage caused to the Afghans during the years of occupation and to unfreeze the illegally blocked Afghan assets."

Uzbekistan’s president invited the CICA countries to address the UN with an idea of creating an international high-level group on the problems of Afghanistan. It is necessary, in his opinion, to develop common approaches to interaction with the interim government of that country.

"We cannot afford a repetition of the sad experience of the past, when that country actually turned into an international terrorist hub," Mirziyoyev concluded.

On CICA

The participants supported the accession of Kuwait to the summit as a member-state of the forum and adopted a statement on the transformation of the CICA into an international organization.

In a joint statement the CICA countries confirmed the common approaches to ensuring security in the IT field. The statement mentions the need to help the developing participating in the Conference to catch up on the digital backlog.

The participants also expressed the need to help prevent the use of communication technologies for terrorist purposes.Hi

[Gwin Ru]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

I also assume the mods will let me know if what I post is inappropriate and they are free to delete all my posts.

It does take a lot of time and energy to find, discern and post most of this and I’m sorry that it offends some of you, it doesn’t make me feel good either, nor help me health wise but I want to know what’s going on from the “other side” , the unpopular side. So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended.
Also I wasn’t aware that you couldn’t post news contrary to what news I post. And I do not comment because it’s mostly self explanatory information.

I wish you all a good evening🌞

Ravenlocke, I do hope you saw and read my post #5751 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1522401&viewfull=1#post1522401) on the previous page. :thumbsup:

Nothing you've posted is inappropriate. It's very much appreciated. If I've been out for most or even half of the day, the first thing I do to see what's been happening is skim through your updates on this thread.

(And the useful thing with Twitter and Telegram is that one can indeed skim them quickly, impossible with long videos and not at all easy with long articles.)

You do a great job on the Turmoil and Chaos all over the Planet (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108995-Turmoil-and-Chaos-all-over-the-Planet) thread, too. Twitter and Telegram work well there, for exactly the same reasons. Who knew there was turmoil in Malawi? Or Panama? Or New Zealand? The quick-scan posts there, often featuring one-sentence summaries with an image or a short video, allow readers to then to dive more deeply into those specific news stories if they want to.

But they have to know the stories are there first, so they can be dived more deeply into.


So sorry to all of you that complained and are offended. TargeT, accusing you of being a bot (he really meant it!), was out of order — and I'll state that publicly here.

It's SO simple for anyone to see from your 2271 posts that you're not! :) And they're all easy to search for and find, dating 11 years back to 2011.

"all of you that complained and are offended" may be a couple of people. Meanwhile, besides all the members who regularly follow this thread every day, I suspect for the same reasons I do, there are regularly 20, 30 or more guests reading the thread much of the day.

Why? Because this thread is an excellent, user-friendly, running real-time truth-committed ongoing news digest. (And searching the thread, an archive of events, too.)

You won't get that on CNN. :)

:focus:


Hi Bill,

Thank so much, I really appreciate your encouragement, I apologize for taking so long to reply for personal reasons, and yes I did see your posts, Thank You!

I’ll continue to do my best as much as I can and thank you again and thank you Mods and everyone.

News is happening very fast and in large quantities and all of it connects the dots so I’ll try to bring it as quickly as possible.

Ravenlocke🌞🌞🌞🌻

[rgray222]

But what is unclear to me is why are there people in Europe ready to oblige the USA's intentions of destroying Russia, even though the Soviet threat is long gone. I'm specifically talking about some EU people's apparent hatred against Russia from countries like Ukraine and Poland. This isn't a rhetorical question. Understanding this matter might be part of the key to resolving this conflict. Or maybe it's just the elite leaders of Poland who are insane, like Ania and Scott are saying in the above interview, and not the ordinary citizens. Would especially like to hear from any Polish person who might be following this thread.

Why do you think that Europe is obliging the USA? It appears to me that Europe is at least as complicit in the destruction of Russia as the USA. I have always marvelled at Europe's ability to ask the USA to do their heavy lifting and then lay blame on them when things go awry. Almost all the European nations have been duplicitous in their dealings with Russia.

When Trump started questioning the benefit of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.html) it sent the Europeans into a tailspin. Trump actually considered on many occasions pulling the USA from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. At the very least he wanted the European nations to pay the minimum agreed amount which is 2% of GDP. European countries pulled out their ATM cards and started lining up to fill the NATO coffers. Even before Putin went into Ukraine not one country (to my knowledge) said no we don't want NATO. As a matter of fact, more countries wanted entry into NATO than most Europeans were willing to accept. Now that the war is in full swing NATO's popularity seems to have hit an all-time high since its inception 73 years ago. In many respects, the people of the USA would be well served to remove themselves from NATO and let it become a stand-alone European organization.

The destructive actions of Putin and NATO are forcing countries to choose sides. This inevitably never ends well. I will be amazed if we can avoid a world war in the next few years.

[Bill Ryan]

In Ukraine, filmed a staged video with dozens of wounded during explosions in Kyiv
Video footage and photographs of the wounded in Kyiv turned out to be staged scenes.Yes.... this happens all the time. :facepalm:

Here's Zelensky in a green screen studio pretending to be on the streets in Kiev during a missile raid: :ROFL:

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[Vicus]

RUSSIAN MILITARY RADIO BROADCASTS TO CITIZENS IN KHARKIV: "EVACUATE CITY NOW"


The Russian Army is using regular AM and FM radio to transmit to Ukrainian citizens in the city of Kharkiv. The broadcasts are telling them to evacuate that city immediately.

The military high-powered radio transmitters are even broadcasting directly ON TOP OF what would be the traditional radio stations in that area. The military transmitters are simply over-powering the regular radio stations.

Over the past 48-72 hours, Russian troop build-ups are showing what appears to be "Special Military Operation -Season 2" . . . only with very much more men.

On the map below, the hand-drawn circles in red show the present build-up of Russian forces, and the circles in blue show Ukrainian force locations.

Most of Ukraine's forces are engaged in the southeast of the country. The Ukraine troops to the east of Kharkiv, are now finding themselves squished between two superior Russian force groupings; one in the Belgorad region of Russia itself, the other in Luhansk. They seem to be inside a perfect "Pincer" situation.

Ominously for Ukraine, the sudden and very large build-up of Russian troops in Belarus, to the north and northwest of Kiev, looks very much like what existed when Russia initially began its Special Military Operation into Ukraine. At THAT time, the troops in Belarus, north of Kiev, moved in a 47 mile long convoy toward the city, but stopped without attacking.

It turned out to be a feint; Russia did that so as to force Ukraine to keep essential troops in the north to protect the capital, Kiev, while they moved against targets in the south. This time, however, it seems quite clear that if/when those Russian troops come out of Belarus again, Kiev could be mince-meat.

In addition, the Russian forces toward the top left of the map, also in Belarus, is an interesting build-up. Would they swoop in against Kiev, or will they head due south to Lutsk, Rivne . . . or both?

Stay tuned . . .

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russian-military-radio-broadcasts-to-citizens-in-kharkiv-evacuate-city-now

[Vicus]

OBiden Has Pushed Us To The Brink - Russia Sends Out
Mass Civil Defense Procedures And Instructions On How
To React To Nuclear Attacks - America Has No Civil Defens

10-12-22

This is 100 % confirmed! My wife received this from our children's kindergarten in Rostov Region Of Russia...

'Civil Defense - The procedure for the actions of the population on the GO signal when at work.
The signal 'ATTENTION TO ALL!'

Accompanied by the activation of sirens with intermittent beeps followed by verbal information about the signal GO.

* Upon hearing the SIGNAL, turn on your radio or television set and listen to the message about the situation and how to proceed.

* Pass on the information you receive to your neighbors.

* Act according to the messages you have been given.

* Ways you should notify ALL!!

* Television

* Loudspeakers

* Sirens

* Bell

*Radio

*Howls from businesses and vehicles.

*Phone, text messages.

* Mobile sound-amplifying installations

* Information board

*Social networks






Actions For The Population (inscriptions on the signs)

- Turn off lights, gas, water, heaters - Close windows and doors tightly
- Cover gaps around doors, vents with a wet cloth.
- Use personal protective equipment.
- Take cover in the nearest protective structure, buried room or other areas of underground space, including the subway.
- Report to the assembly area
- Evacuate to a safe area.


ACTIONS FOR...

* AIRBORNE ALARM

* CHEMICAL ALARM

* RADIATION ALARM

* THREAT OF CATASTROPHIC FLOODING



RESTRICTED SIGNAL

* Return to your place of work

* Be prepared for a possible repeat of the civil defense 'ATTENTION TO ALL' signal.

https://rense.com/general97/defense-procedures.php

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1580391253761368064

1580391253761368064

The Financial Times writes that the full digitization of Ukrainian President Zelensky could be completed by the end of this year. It is expected that he will become the world's first digital politician who will be able to speak at several international venues at the same time, regardless of the work schedule of the Ukrainian president.

“The speeches of the digital president will be prepared by the best American experts, based on the interests of the people of Ukraine. This is fantastic!” says US Senator Bob Menendez.

All statements by Zelensky and his digital twins will have the same legal force.

It is also planned to release a special cryptocurrency ZeCoin, which can be "mined" by financing humanitarian projects in the country, such as, for example, the development of democratic institutions. It is expected that in the future, ZeCoin holders will be able to influence decisions in the internal political life of post-war Ukraine.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1580607408270823424
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[Gwin Ru]

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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580615526098685952
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580617571111292928
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1580589101426028546
1580589101426028546

[Ravenlocke]

Ania K interviews Scott Ritter,

SCOTT RITTER ON NATO'S NUCLEAR EXERCISES; SITUATION BETWEEN BELARUS AND POLAND; RUSSIA AND UKRAINE.

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[I am B]

This is hitting a bit different for once. My feed is obviously blatantly biased. And I'm regularly getting much WW3 and nuclear talk. But now its not even second hand articles with the typical "Russia said so".

All the media and all the personalities are 100% personally onto it, and now even the prime minister of France just posts this pointless post for, imho, just start putting the populace on the trails of accepting a "being forced" into WW3 narrative. (maybe after a unexpected nuclear boom)


https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1580504648821387268

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580593599854809088

1580593599854809088

[Fellow Aspirant]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580617571111292928
1580617571111292928


This looks like a dangerous escalation on Putin's part. Why would he increase the fear of nuclear war?

B

[I am B]

EDIT: Sorry, I'm afraid I wasn't completely understanding your post since the twit you quoted didn't appear for me


To blame a false flag on Russia. He'd get a nice humanitarian medal for himself (since they "didn't answer to the provocation" they set up, saving us from nuclear armageddon), and then follow with a bigger scale conflict.

But this is just speculation of course. Imvho, I don't think Russia would go on with the nukes unless their territorial integrity is in danger, which is not at this point, far from it. And we all know at this point how big of an appreciation the west has for Ukraine's people and army...

[Bill Ryan]

This looks like a dangerous escalation on Putin's part. Why would he increase the fear of nuclear war?He hasn't. :)

The escalation is coming from the US.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Certainly possible, given the Buk System's unreliability, as in this incident when the Russians fired on a target in Ukraine and the missile promptly turned back and destroyed its own launch system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggnLvF6nDbQ

It's also more likely that the missile was fired by Russian forces.

B

[Fellow Aspirant]

Reading more carefully, you should find that The Daily Beast, as a news aggregator, was only re-posting other sources, all of which I consider truthful.

The Beast of course has never, to my knowledge, ever agreed with the Russian media's propaganda, so I understand your position completely, Bill.

B

[Ravenlocke]

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https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1580145168833196032
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1580546166223052800
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https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1580548465892868100
1580548465892868100

[Ravenlocke]

More Humanitarian aid mostly elderly recipients


https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1580228273274900481
1580228273274900481

[Rizotto]

About Justin Turdeau sending millions $$$ to Ukraine and WEF (yes, he's done that too), I would like to say that as a Canadian I personally don't know anyone here in Canada who supports him. On the contrary, there is widespread anger and hatred against him. Turdeau's covax mandates, oppression of peaceful protesters, and obedience to other WEF edicts is the most disgusting thing that ever happened to Canada.

Apparently, NATO is just another WEF/cabal tool. It's encouraging to see that there is a growing number of people in the west calling for the dismantling of NATO. It should have happened a few years ago when even Manuel Macron himself labelled NATO as 'brain dead', possibly the only time he ever said the truth.

Too many countries in the 'west', including Canada, do not have representative democracy. We have been lured into voting for individuals who make promises, but once elected follow an agenda that the people never even knew about and don't agree with. We're stuck here in Canada, I've asked many times isn't there a process to remove the fraudster Turdeau from office asap. Apparently not.

Okay, end of rant, but here's the real question: how do we restore democracy, is it even possible at this point? If there was real democracy in the west, there wouldn't even be a war in Europe right now.

[pounamuknight]

Certainly possible, given the Buk System's unreliability, as in this incident when the Russians fired on a target in Ukraine and the missile promptly turned back and destroyed its own launch system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggnLvF6nDbQ

It's also more likely that the missile was fired by Russian forces.

B

Last week, the empire's THAAD/Patriot missile system-thingy sold to South Korea had a massive mishap

jbSrjoBiV3Q
Mistaken to believe/insinuate only imperial regime-change targets like Russia have the faulty complex machinery. But understandable considering the goofy torrential propaganda from the empire of lies

[Bill Ryan]

Reading more carefully, you should find that The Daily Beast, as a news aggregator, was only re-posting other sources, all of which I consider truthful.
Much much better sources of accurate information! (This is only a very partial list)

Websites with 24/7 updates:


https://southfront.org
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com (Andrei Martyanov)
https://www.moonofalabama.org
https://strategic-culture.org
https://consortiumnews.com
https://zerohedge.com
https://thesaker.is
https://thedreizinreport.com
https://sonar21.com (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbXlRalNCSnpwQTQtNnpFMFVZRGlGSHBndlNQZ3xBQ3Jtc0trRXF5dDVqT1NZLWVZVTdvSFpKRnMzSE4z S0doTEhiQnA3aUtZNHVZeGpWdzZzZjRMbUQzWUxMTERvQVNyZ2l2SFJtOU50VUw2T013QlVheFN2SFhuMndHVDVuZjVtYlp0cm96 bG12LU43c2o4eUV6NA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fsonar21.com%2F&v=vtf1yod_p4w) (Larry Johnson)
https://raymcgovern.com (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbDU3S0I0VDEwMjFkU0N1UnMzQWl1OHRhSkZ1Z3xBQ3Jtc0ttTHA3VGN2dVRfZ2I4VmVUdHN6aFZoUGI2 UWstdmNsVVpxaC0yLUhzVmtMNEpKUlhaMUdGSjZEdy1rdzVEX2VyQmhlb1hGRndud1JCYWVVNTVIUFUtN0ZqcDNZQW5sdkNxbkJw cExPN0ZRMVdpY0MwYw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fraymcgovern.com%2F&v=vtf1yod_p4w)
https://thegrayzone.com
Scott Ritter and Col. Douglas Macgregor (whenever they're interviewed)

YouTube channels:


Alexander Mercouris (https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexanderMercourisReal/videos)
The Duran (https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDuran/videos) (mainly Alexander Mercouris)
The New Atlas (https://www.youtube.com/c/TheNewAtlas/videos) (Brian Berletic)
Patrick Lancaster (https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos)
Eva Bartlett (https://www.youtube.com/c/EvaKBartlett/videos)
Ania K (https://www.youtube.com/c/Throughtheeyesof/videos)
Alex Christoforou (https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexChristoforou/videos)
Danny Haiphong (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOxLhz6B_elvLflntSEfnzA/videos)
Redacted (https://www.youtube.com/c/RedactedNews) (Clayton and Natali Morris)
Kim Iverson (https://www.youtube.com/c/KimIversen/videos)
Jackson Hinkle (https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDivewithJacksonHinkle/videos)
Gonzalo Lira (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfUzUq5L9NFv2GMVGbEBgkg/videos)

NOT


The Daily Beast :)

[Tintin]

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1580589101426028546
1580589101426028546

Yes, this is excellent and Scott is really angry here, justifiably so. He covers the same ground in his interview with Ania K,below.

If anyone is interested in the history of Able Archer there's a well written piece here: https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/nuclear-close-calls-able-archer-83

[Extracted]



Beginning in the late 1960s, NATO ran annual military exercises in Europe designed to train its forces and test combat readiness. Under the auspices of NATO’s Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE), the exercises typically ran from September to November, and were thus known as Autumn Forge. In the year of the Able Archer war scare, Autumn Forge 83 was made up of six exercises involving approximately 100,000 troops. The largest was Reforger 83 (“REturn of U.S. FORces to GERmany”), in which NATO forces had to defend against the “Orange Pact” (the Warsaw Pact). The Reformer exercise alone involved the airlift of over 16,000 American troops to Europe.

Autumn Forge always culminated with Able Archer, an exercise which tested the command and control procedures for both conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. SHAPE historian Gregory Pedlow described Able Archer as follows: “It was an annual Command Post Exercise (thus involving only headquarters, not troops on the ground) of NATO's Allied Command Europe (ACE), and it was designed to practise command and staff procedures, with particular emphasis on the transition from conventional to non-conventional operations, including the use of nuclear weapons.”

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The Russian Dead Hand AI outlined here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-dead-hand-system-may-still-be-active-2014-9?r=US&IR=T

And another, here: https://www.quora.com/How-does-Russias-dead-hand-perimeter-work



The people who know how it works in details have a top security clearance, and won’t share here for sure.

From open sources it is known as a 15Э601 network, connecting the RVSN infrastructure and responsible for the automated counterstrike in the event of WWIII, in case if the national and military leadership responsible for the decision are AWOL or respond inadequately.

The system is a set of algorythms vaguely close to that is called artifical intelligence nowadays.

It is connected with thousands of sensors nationwide relaying multiple parameters.

First would be the early warning radars, then satellites measuring the changing intensity of the electronic transmissions on frequencies used by the NATO militaries, other telemetry from the RVSN observation posts, electromagnetic and ionizing pulses in the population centers in combination with seismic pulses, even the presence of live people in the streets in various locations and personnel on military installations.

Once the system based on the sequence of the above signals is assured that the strike took place, and there is no one in charge to retaliate, it takes over, evaluates the condition of the remaining assets and launches the remaining missiles in the way to inflict the maximal possible damage.

It is not entirely ‘doomsday’. If the President leaves office for quite some time, he activates it manually, skipping certain signals required for the automatic activation. - Boris Sanochkin, Former (Ret.) Lt. Colonel

[Tintin]

About Justin Turdeau sending millions $$$ to Ukraine and WEF (yes, he's done that too), I would like to say that as a Canadian I personally don't know anyone here in Canada who supports him. On the contrary, there is widespread anger and hatred against him. Turdeau's covax mandates, oppression of peaceful protesters, and obedience to other WEF edicts is the most disgusting thing that ever happened to Canada.

Apparently, NATO is just another WEF/cabal tool. It's encouraging to see that there is a growing number of people in the west calling for the dismantling of NATO. It should have happened a few years ago when even Manuel Macron himself labelled NATO as 'brain dead', possibly the only time he ever said the truth.

Too many countries in the 'west', including Canada, do not have representative democracy. We have been lured into voting for individuals who make promises, but once elected follow an agenda that the people never even knew about and don't agree with. We're stuck here in Canada, I've asked many times isn't there a process to remove the fraudster Turdeau from office asap. Apparently not.

Okay, end of rant, but here's the real question: how do we restore democracy, is it even possible at this point? If there was real democracy in the west, there wouldn't even be a war in Europe right now.

It was an articulate rant, actually; no problem with that :flower:

The same issue - we could call it gaslighting - befell Ukraine in 2019 with the run-off between Poroshenko and Zelensky, where Zelensky secured a 73% share of that vote to secure the Presidency, on the ticket to secure a peaceful solution to the situation in the Donbass.

Well, we all know what happened next......

When, in a heightened state of irritation, I describe Zelensky as a whining carpetbagger, I'd suggest that that is reasonably accurate and perhaps the kindest thing I could say about him:

Carpetbagger (can mean): [An individual who runs for political office] perceived to be exploiting the local populace for their own financial, political, and/or social gain

It seems to be endemic now in western (so-called) democracies.

As to the solution? I'm still trying to figure that one out :)

[Bill Ryan]

15 seconds of Tucker Carlson vs Zelensky's endless demands. :)

https://t.me/intelslava/39208

intelslava/39208

[Bill Ryan]

This is really VERY funny. :ROFL:

https://t.me/intelslava/39197

intelslava/39197

[T Smith]

Okay, end of rant, but here's the real question: how do we restore democracy, is it even possible at this point? If there was real democracy in the west, there wouldn't even be a war in Europe right now.

How do we restore Democracy? We all need to get as angry as these two men at the recent AOC town all meeting:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2022/10/13/aoc-town-hall-n2614462

[Tintin]

If anyone is interested in the history of Able Archer there's a well written piece here: https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/nuclear-close-calls-able-archer-83

[Extracted]



Beginning in the late 1960s, NATO ran annual military exercises in Europe designed to train its forces and test combat readiness. Under the auspices of NATO’s Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE), the exercises typically ran from September to November, and were thus known as Autumn Forge. In the year of the Able Archer war scare, Autumn Forge 83 was made up of six exercises involving approximately 100,000 troops. The largest was Reforger 83 (“REturn of U.S. FORces to GERmany”), in which NATO forces had to defend against the “Orange Pact” (the Warsaw Pact). The Reformer exercise alone involved the airlift of over 16,000 American troops to Europe.

Autumn Forge always culminated with Able Archer, an exercise which tested the command and control procedures for both conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. SHAPE historian Gregory Pedlow described Able Archer as follows: “It was an annual Command Post Exercise (thus involving only headquarters, not troops on the ground) of NATO's Allied Command Europe (ACE), and it was designed to practise command and staff procedures, with particular emphasis on the transition from conventional to non-conventional operations, including the use of nuclear weapons.”

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QUICK UPDATE: From https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb533-The-Able-Archer-War-Scare-Declassified-PFIAB-Report-Released/ the NSA archives, linked below, the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) report -

Washington D.C., October 24, 2015 – The newly released Soviet "War Scare" report - previously classified "TOP SECRET UMBRA GAMMA WNINTEL NOFORN NOCONTRACT ORCON" and published today after a 12-year fight by the National Security Archive – reveals that the 1983 War Scare was real. According to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), the United States "may have inadvertently placed our relations with the Soviet Union on a hair trigger" during the 1983 NATO nuclear release exercise, Able Archer 83.

Policymakers, and now historians have had vehement disagreements about the War Scare, leading some to describe the debate as "an echo chamber of inadequate research and misguided analysis," and the CIA itself to downplay the danger in its 1984 review. This newly declassified PFIAB document, however, provides the strongest evidence to date that the danger of the War Scare was real, as the only study written with access to all US intelligence files on US/NATO actions and the Soviet response in the fall of 1983.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb533-The-Able-Archer-War-Scare-Declassified-PFIAB-Report-Released/2012-0238-MR.pdf

[Ravenlocke]

https://tass.com/politics/1522897

Russian army holds back Ukrainian army’s attacks in Kherson — United Russia

As Andrey Turchak said, it is important for the population to leave the Kherson Region for a while
MOSCOW, October 14. /TASS/. Russian troops continue to hold back attempts by Ukraine’s armed forces to break through the defenses on the right bank in Kherson. There is a risk the territory may be flooded, the first deputy speaker of the Federation Council, secretary of the United Russia party’s General Council Andrey Turchak, said on Friday.

"Evacuation from the Kherson Region to our other regions is necessary in order to ensure maximum safety for our people. Our forces on the right bank in Kherson continue to hold back attempts by Ukraine’s armed forces to break through the defenses. There is also a risk the territory may be flooded," Turchak wrote in his Telegram channel.

"It is important for the population to leave the Kherson Region for a while. So that our troops can fight the Ukrainian neo-Nazis at full strength and eliminate them while avoiding civilian casualties," he added.

Turchak stressed that the United Russia’s humanitarian mission volunteers in the Kherson Region would help the local residents move to other regions of Russia, where they will be provided with temporary housing and jobs.

"At the moment, a group of our State Duma members has already arrived in the region. They have been operating in Donbass since the very first days of the special military operation. They will help the residents with logistics and address other technical issues," Turchak wrote.

Earlier, the Kherson Region’s deputy governor, Kirill Stremousov, said that Kiev had plans for damaging the Kakhovka dam in order to flood part of the Kherson Region. Should the dam be blown up, the Ukrainian forces would try to cross the Dnieper and approach Kherson. Stremousov said the region’s authorities were recommending the local population to agree to move to other regions of Russia to give the army more room for maneuver while cleaning up the territory of Ukrainian forces.

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https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1580904876657283078
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_India_news/status/1580908004148654080
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_India_news/status/1580871789148008449
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https://twitter.com/RT_India_news/status/1580835327216091137
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[Ravenlocke]

This is really VERY funny. :ROFL:

https://t.me/intelslava/39197

intelslava/39197

😁😁😁
https://twitter.com/RT_India_news/status/1580829160657649664
1580829160657649664

[Bill Ryan]

Astonishing. :facepalm:

https://t.me/intelslava/39214

intelslava/39214

Update:
That was a screenshot of Elon Musk on the infamous Myrotvorets kill list.
Apparently he was listed there for 10-15 minutes a short while ago, but now seems to have been removed.

https://projectavalon.net/Elon_Musk_on_kill_list.jpg

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_India_news/status/1580805733884788737
1580805733884788737

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564672-putin-peace-talks-troops/

Putin explains why there are no peace talks with Ukraine

Ukraine is refusing to engage in peace talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin told journalists on Friday, when asked about possible negotiations to end the conflict between the two countries.

The Kiev government “had been saying that they wanted talks and ostensibly asked for them, but now they issued a formal decision that prohibits them,” he said during a press conference in Astana, Kazakhstan.

Putin recalled that Russia and Ukraine reached a preliminary agreement which could have the halted hostilities, during Turkey-mediated talks in late March.

“Those agreements were almost initialled. But as soon as the troops were pulled back from Kiev, the leadership in Kiev lost all desire to have talks,” he remarked.

The Russian Defense Ministry announced a withdrawal of troops from the Ukrainian capital after news broke that the negotiators in Istanbul had agreed on a draft treaty. Under its terms, Ukraine would have pledged to maintain a neutral status and not allow foreign troops and military installations on its soil, in exchange for security guarantees from foreign nations, including Russia.

Türkiye comments on Ukraine peace prospects
Türkiye comments on Ukraine peace prospects
Days later, President Vladimir Zelensky accused Russian troops of committing war crimes, claiming that evidence was discovered in Bucha, one of the towns near Kiev that the Russian army had left. He declared that the Ukrainian people would not allow him to negotiate with Russia after the discovery. Moscow claimed that the evidence was fabricated to justify breaking off the talks.

According to Russian diplomats, Moscow wrote up a formal peace agreement based on Ukrainian proposals and sent it to Kiev, but never heard anything back.

According to Ukrainian media reports in May, Zelensky was pressured into breaking off negotiations with Russia by Boris Johnson, then-prime minister of Britain. Johnson arrived in Kiev, “almost without warning” on April 9. He allegedly told the Ukrainian leader that Western nations would refuse to sign up to the security guarantees that Kiev wanted to receive under the proposed peace treaty.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1580699277294456832
1580699277294456832

https://tass.com/politics/1522545?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

US seeks to turn UN into State Department branch, Russian lawmaker says

Leonid ****sky called the vote at the General Assembly on another anti-Russian resolution on the non-recognition of referendums in the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions the result of Washington's campaign to intimidate other countries

MOSCOW, October 14. /TASS/. The United Nations General Assembly’s vote on referendums in the Donbass republics, the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, was the result of Washington’s campaign of intimidation against other countries, Chairman of the Russian State Duma (the lower house of parliament) Foreign Affairs Committee Leonid ****sky said on Thursday.

"The US uses blackmail and arm-twisting to turn the UN into a branch of its Department of State. The General Assembly’s vote on an anti-Russian resolution rejecting the referendums in the DPR and the LPR (Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics - TASS) and the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, was the result of Washington’s campaign to intimidate other countries," ****sky wrote on Telegram.

The senior lawmaker pointed out that the move to block Russia’s initiative to hold a secret ballot had violated the rules as it would have "reduced the number of those supporting the draft resolution." "Anyway, it’s too early for US President Biden to make triumphant statements, claiming that the world had sent a clear message to Russia. It’s not the world but US hangers-on and those who faced pressure," ****sky added. The countries that abstained from voting have "more than one-third of the world’s population," the lawmaker emphasized.

The UN General Assembly on Wednesday approved an anti-Russian resolution on the referendums in the Donetsk and the Lugansk People’s Republics, and in the Kherson and the Zaporozhye Regions, as well as on the situation in Ukraine. The resolution was supported by 143 countries, five voted against it and 35 nations abstained. Additionally, the resolution calls for the Ukraine conflict to be resolved through negotiations.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580879714511568897
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https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580882463210946560
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580912441868750850
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/status/1580898688276185088
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https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/status/1580898693938843648
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/ReadovkaWorld/status/1580903126550269954
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https://twitter.com/ReadovkaWorld/status/1580905659398094853
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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/business/564668-eu-nord-stream-probe/

EU countries withdraw from joint Nord Stream explosions probe – media


Stockholm, Copenhagen and Berlin have refused to carry out a joint investigation into the alleged sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, news portal Tagesschau, owned by ARD media, reported on Friday.

According to the report, the three nations “actually wanted to investigate the destruction of the pipelines together and to find out who is responsible. But that’s not the case now.”

The three countries’ joint investigation team has been disbanded, according to German government sources cited in the report. Sweden was the first to leave due to privacy concerns, and was followed by Denmark. “Now each country will conduct its investigation separately from the others.”

On Thursday, Russia’s foreign ministry summoned the ambassadors of Germany, Denmark and Sweden over their countries’ refusal to grant access to the investigation. Moscow said it wouldn’t recognize the results of the ongoing probe into the explosions that damaged the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines in late September unless its experts were allowed to take part.

If Russia’s calls for cooperation are ignored, Moscow will assume that the three European countries “have something to hide or [that] they are covering up the perpetrators of these terrorist attacks,” the ministry warned.

The warning comes after Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson announced on Monday that Stockholm would not share the results of its investigation into the Nord Stream explosions with Moscow.

Meanwhile, President Vladimir Putin hinted that despite the denial of access to the probe, “we all know well who the ultimate beneficiary of this crime is.”

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The Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines were rendered inoperable on September 26 following a series of powerful underwater explosions off the Danish island of Bornholm.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken described the blasts as a “tremendous opportunity” for Europe “to once and for all remove dependence on Russian energy.”

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Bank Indonesia Calls on Importers, Exporters to Stop Payments in US Dollar, Reports Say

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Bank Indonesia has called on importers and exporters to use national currencies in international payments to reduce the dependence of Indonesian financial markets on the US dollar, Indonesian news portal Tempo.co reported on Friday, citing the regulator's senior economist.


"About 90% of export-import payments are conducted in US dollars, while the share of Indonesian direct exports to the US is estimated at only 10%, and US imports account for 5%," Head of the Solo Bank Indonesia Representative Office, Nugroho Joko Prastowo, told reporters, according to the report.
Prastowo proposed to employ a two-way payment system using national currencies, saying that a conversion fee applies to the settlements in international currency, and that in dollar payments the charge doubles.
China, Japan, Thailand and Malaysia have already agreed to use the mechanism of two-way payments, with Singapore and the Philippines planning to join the system, the economist added.
On Thursday, CEO of the financial services firm Sovereign Wealth Management, Gary Korolev, told Sputnik that the US dollar is currently on the path of moving away from being a single reserve currency, and it will likely be competing with the BRICS currency system.

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And wanted mandatory covid jabs in the UK.

Hunt makes my skin crawl.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564588-riots-over-mobilization-in-dagestan/

Unrest over mobilization in Dagestan: Homegrown in the majority Muslim Russian region or stoked by outside forces?

A crowd of women, visibly enraged, encircle a policeman and confront him about the ongoing mobilization and the objectives of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. Dissatisfied with the response, they have a short discussion between them, after which they start chanting anti-war slogans. Within a few minutes, a scuffle breaks out between the police and disgruntled protesters.

Hundreds of residents of Makhachkala witnessed this scene as it unfolded in the very heart of the city on September 25, just as Dagestan's capital celebrated its annual City Day.

Putin laments ‘stupidity’ during mobilization drive
Putin laments ‘stupidity’ during mobilization drive
But this demonstration, which coincided with the 165th anniversary of the southern Russian city, was by no means the only anti-mobilization rally in the region. According to local journalists, smaller protests had erupted in some parts of the republic as early as September 22. Spontaneous rallies broke out near the village of Endirey in the Khasavyurt District, with local residents blocking the road. A demonstration took place in the regional center of Khasavyurt, and in Makhachkala itself civil disorder continued for two entire days.

Nature of the Unrest

The protesters' motivations varied from town to town. In some places, like Endirey, people were outraged by the excessive number of draft notices per village. For example, in a community of 8,000 people, as many as 110 men were to be called up. In a display of indignation, people decided to block one of the republic's major transport corridors.

In some areas, locals complained that the army was enlisting those who had literally just returned from regular military conscription. Most importantly, and perhaps typical of the overall mobilization effort in Russia, the republic's recruiting stations did not always adhere to official regulations and requirements. As a result, draft notices were sent to men who had not served in the army at all or had no combat experience.

All demonstrations in the Republic of Dagestan were quickly suppressed by the security forces. Multiple people were arrested, with violence being used in some cases. At one point, police officers even fired warning shots into the air. Footage of the clashes spread quickly across the internet, making headlines in international media outlets. This was an unprecedented situation for a region normally loyal to the federal authorities.

The most publicized developments unfolded in Makhachkala. Undeterred by the first crackdown, the protesters took to the streets on the following day. This time, the police took the initiative and mounted an even tougher response.

The nature of the protest and the harsh response of the local law enforcement agencies prompted an urgent meeting of public figures and government representatives. Following the session, they moved to establish an independent public commission to monitor compliance with the presidential decree on partial mobilization.

At the same time, the head of the Republic of Dagestan Sergey Melikov addressed the issue.

"If it’s a fact that people were mobilized who were not on the list – including students, fathers with multiple young children, folks who have never held a rifle in their life – it should be corrected immediately. I know that such mistakes were made at the very start of the mobilization."

Melikov criticized the staff of the recruiting stations for "trying to draft as many people as possible instead of diligently selecting those who are actually fit to serve in the army." He then promised to see to it personally that the situation is rectified.

Nothing personal, just bureaucracy

But that wasn't the end of the story in Dagestan. Sergey Melikov went on to direct some serious criticism to his staffers a few more times. One such occasion was filmed and posted online. The head of the republic’s fury was caused in particular by a video report that had gone viral on social media. The video in question originated from Derbent, Dagestan’s fourth largest city, whose history goes back six millennia.

It showed a number of vehicles cruising the city and delivering a message via loudspeakers, calling on “all male residents to report to the local recruitment offices immediately.” Derbent’s administration tried to justify this move by saying their database lacked personal data for all residents entitled to the right to the mobilization waiver.

Melikov called it “utter nonsense” as well as “fake information dissemination,” adding some swear words addressed to the organizers of this operation, a mode of speech generally unseen and unheard-of in Dagestan’s public discourse.

“How was it even possible for Derbent’s recruitment authority to sanction its staffers to spread such a message? “All male residents of Derbent are to report to the local recruitment offices immediately.” What the *** is this, you idiots? Are you *** nitwits?!” Melikov was heard saying at the Regional Security Council meeting.

It's no secret that the West is trying to overthrow the Russian government – John Bolton was just saying it out loud
It's no secret that the West is trying to overthrow the Russian government – John Bolton was just saying it out loud
After receiving such a brutal scolding, the chief recruitment officer apologized on camera and urged city residents “not to succumb to panic.” Prior to that, an official apology to the residents of Derbent was offered by the head of the republic himself.

Only time will tell whether it will be enough to appease the people of Dagestan who have been inflamed by the sloppy actions of the local recruitment offices and administrations. The locals are convinced that it was a desire to just report the required recruitment numbers at any cost that led to the unrest.

“It has always been this way, and will probably be like that forever. No one in the recruitment offices or administration does their job properly, and when they receive an order from the higher authorities, they just go on to pressure people into complying. I hope that the head of the republic and the president will fix this and punish those who are guilty [of enacting faulty mobilization practices],” Kurban, a local resident, told RT.

He added that perhaps people would trust the local officials more if their own sons were among the first ones to join the action in the warzone. This opinion gets a lot of support among the local users of social media.

The truth is that many officials and their family members, both from Dagestan as well from all over Russia, are already fighting in the operation. In Babayurt district, for example, an official working with the local recruitment office, Nelli Wolf, saw her son leaving for the frontlines in Ukraine. An MP of Dagestan’s parliament Rasim Gadzhigayev was among the first to join the special military operation. According to the Speaker of the Dagestani Parliament Zaur Askenderov, nine more MPs were served the summons to report for duty. In the town of Buynaksk, also in Dagestan, notices were served to all members of the city parliament. The former head of the neighboring republic of Ingushetia, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, lost his nephew in the hostilities in Ukraine.

The same is true for other Russian regions. The government of Samara Region reported recently that almost 300 officials and MPs there have been summoned to join the special military operation, among them staffers of local ministries and the governor’s administration. In Primorsky Region, according to Governor Oleg Kozhemyako, who has visited the special operation zone many times himself to support the troops, 150 of the region’s MPs and administration staffers have been summoned to join the operation.

Among the new recruits who joined the troops on the ground are the children of founder of the private military company Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the Republic of Crimea Sergey Aksyonov and dozens of other high-level Russian statesmen.

'Jiving today, accused of treason tomorrow': How Russian jazz survived communist repression to celebrate 100 years
'Jiving today, accused of treason tomorrow': How Russian jazz survived communist repression to celebrate 100 years
However, this kind of information usually evades the attention of the online audience, which seems to be more likely to notice messages that assert the opposite.

Information weapons of mass destruction

“What happened today in Makhachkala was a provocation by people outside Dagestan and opportunistic admins of local online communities paid by the West,” Kamil Saidov, Minister of Youth Affairs of Dagestan said.

The President of Dagestan and the FSB believe that Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces (SSO) are behind these protests, which are organized through anonymous Telegram accounts.

“We are quite certain that the channels which rallied people to disturb the public order in the region are under the control of the Center for Ideological and Psychological Operations of the Central Intelligence Office of the Special Operations Forces of Ukraine,” Sergey Melnikov said.

Killnet hacker community members confirm this. They’ve analyzed financial transactions and circulation of information from the Dagestan Morning Telegram channel, which spearheaded the local riot.

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According to Killnet’s information, over five billion rubles (around $77.2 million) were pumped into the channel since March 2022. The current balance of the administration’s crypto wallet is around 8.5 million rubles (almost $130,000). The explanation for these figures, astronomical for a social media community, is simple – Dagestan Morning is just an entry point. Its message spread rapidly across other Telegram channels immediately after the first call to action was posted, just as planned.

Moreover, it wasn’t only extremist Caucasian and radical Islamic communities that collaborated with Dagestan Morning. Reposting analysis has shown that messages appeared on Ukrainian Telegram channels as well: from Aleksandr Nevzorov, a Soviet and later Russian journalist and a fresh Ukrainian citizen, to Alexey Arestovich, an adviser to the President of Ukraine. But there’s more: the organizers of this informational diversion also reposted to the Belarusian Telegram network.

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60 years since the Cuban Missile Crisis: How cool heads prevented a Soviet-US naval encounter sparking a nuclear war
Another argument for the contrived nature of the action is the speed and efficiency with which the anonymous admins spread their message.

The first posts slamming the partial mobilization began to appear on Dagestanian channels as early as September 21, immediately after President Vladimir Putin and the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu had addressed the nation. Simultaneously, information began to appear about the supposed plans to draft 13,000 people in the Republic.

And the next day, local communities published the first calls for protest. By September 25, a critical level was achieved, which coincided with the first offline meeting. The protesters demanded the cancellation of the mobilization campaign, saying, among other things, that “too many of us have been drafted already!” –expressing the very same idea that appeared on social media earlier.

The message gained traction immediately. The diagram below shows the detonation of the informational bomb, planted in advance, by Dagestan Morning at the perfect moment. The call appeared on many sleeper protest channels – online communities that stayed away from discussing public issues until September 24, posting instead Quran quotes and beautiful Dagestanian landscapes.

Most likely, the Telegram channels had been bought in advance to reach the widest possible audience when the time came. Other outlets, which were created just days before the protests, got thousands of subscribers overnight, as major Dagestani channels promoted their ads.

The same chart, however, shows that the media sensation was short-lived. Apparently sensing that something didn’t smell right, people started unsubscribing after September 26.

Leaked documents expose Ukrainian attempts to destabilize Russia and draw NATO into a full-scale war with Moscow
Leaked documents expose Ukrainian attempts to destabilize Russia and draw NATO into a full-scale war with Moscow
Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky’s address to protesting Dagestanis didn’t help either. In his typical manner of pompous gravitas, he condescendingly remarked that “they [Dagestanis] were beginning to understand [the situation].” He also promised that those residents of the republic who would take up arms against Ukraine would not make it back alive. On top of that, he urged Russian citizens to break the law.

“Disobey this criminal mobilization. Run away. Or surrender to Ukrainian forces the moment you have a chance. I’m asking all our friends in the media sphere to help disseminate this appeal,” the Ukrainian president added.

When it became clear that stoking unrest wouldn’t work, the administrators of Ukrainian channels inundated social media with fake posts. One of the most notable examples was a counterfeit document on “discontinuing the partial mobilization.” The idea must have been to make people angry about the mobilization, which was still ongoing in spite of the new “law,” yet it did not yield the desired result.

Ukrainian special services have long been trying to destabilize Russian society and undermine the country’s leadership, mostly by targeting ethnic minorities and national republics within the country. The Ukrainian Center for Information and Psychological Operations has tried these tactics in Kabardino-Balkaria, Yakutia, Buryatia, and other regions.

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Ukraine is preparing a law on full control over the media, as the last vestiges of press freedom disappear in Kiev
Fertile soil

Experts believe there were good reasons for homing in on Dagestan this time. Talking to RT, Dmitry Zhuravlyov, director of the Institute for Regional Issues, said the republic is characterized by a high level of class inequality, and, given the traditional character of local communities, people are well aware of everyone’s sources of income. This makes ordinary citizens even more resentful towards those who cash in on their higher status.

“There’s also the clan system, which you have to take into account, and which is no secret to anyone. These two factors make people anxious. They are scared for their relatives, and, at the same time, they worry that, while their loved ones are sent into the special military operation zone, the son, say, of a local deputy will stay home. Class inequality makes people resist the unknown. Officials don’t relate to people,” theexpert said.

On top of that, some districts of Dagestan have long been a source of trouble. The notorious Babayurt District has been making headlines for over two decades due to ongoing land disputes between local residents and those who moved there from mountainous districts. Controversial Soviet-era economic and national policies led to fighting between ethnic groups and clans over fertile land, which is a scarce resource in Dagestan.

The republic is home to over 40 ethnic groups, which are further subdivided into clans, different religious communities, and identities based on internal migration patterns between districts. The latter phenomenon somewhat resembles immigration in Germany or Israel, where each new wave of newcomers developed its own identity.

All in all, there is fertile soil for stoking conflict, all you need is a good excuse.

What keeps a significant proportion of Dagestanis together is horizontal connections and family and community ties, which is exactly what fueled the latest protests.

Be careful what you post: How Facebook and the US government have united against Americans with the 'wrong' views
Be careful what you post: How Facebook and the US government have united against Americans with the 'wrong' views
Reactive feedback

Once you have all the ingredients in place, including the poor performance of local officials and military commissariats during the initial stages of the partial mobilization, the subversive work of the Ukrainian Center for Information and Psychological Operations, and the idiosyncratic nature of Dagestan’s traditional society, you end up with civil unrest at an unprecedented scale.

Admittedly, Russian authorities have been faster and more efficient than usual in their response to these extraordinary protests. Russia’s rigid political system has demonstrated a flexibility which was previously unseen, except, perhaps, during the coronavirus crisis.

Zur Askenderov, chairman of the People’s Assembly (the official name of Dagestan’s parliament), announced the creation of mobilization headquarters to handle mobilization-related issues quickly and to calm the public down. The republican government instructed local deputies to go to the cities and districts they represent to assist citizens who were called up for military duty. Additionally, regional hotlines were set up and a web resource was added to handle complaints.

It appears that the period of local turbulence is over, although, going forward, any domestic weakness in Russia will undoubtedly be exploited by the country’s enemies on the outside, to deliver a critical blow to its social equilibrium.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564692-belgorod-shelling-electricity/

Power plant attacked in Russia city near Ukrainian border

A missile struck a power station in the Russian city of Belgorod, located not far from the Ukrainian border, on Friday evening. The attack has caused a major blaze at the site.

The local governor blamed Kiev, presumably seeking retribution for Russian strikes earlier this week. Vyacheslav Gladkov reported that the Ukrainian military struck an electrical substation.

Photos and videos published on social media show massive tongues of fire rising around the power station with clouds of thick black smoke billowing into the night skies.

One video in particular showed the very moment a shell hit the facility, causing a major explosion.

The extent of the damage is not yet clear. The power station had the capacity of 110 kW, according to the Belgorod region’s governor, Vyacheslav Gladkov. The governor also said that the fire at the station was promptly extinguished.

The local emergency services are now rerouting the energy supply, Gladkov said, advising that it's expected to be restored in about four hours. The local water-supply systems have not been affected, since they used backup power sources, he added.

Earlier on Friday, residents in at least one of Belgorod City's districts reported a blackout. Locals also spoke of the sounds of powerful explosions.

The incidents came a day after an apartment block was hit and damaged in another Ukrainian shelling in Belgorod. Neither incident resulted in casualties. The Belgorod region has repeatedly come under shelling and drone attacks by Ukrainian forces since the outbreak of the conflict between Moscow and Kiev in late February.

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Lukashenko reveals plans for Russian-Belarusian allied forces

The group is being prepared as the nation is put on high terrorism alert

Belarus has begun the deployment of a joint military force with Russia on its territory, President Alexander Lukashenko told journalists on Friday, citing “heightened tensions” on its borders, which prompted the nation to issue an major terrorism alert.

“We have launched the procedures, involving the deployment of the allied force grouping,” the president said, adding that its “core” would be formed by Belarusian troops and “supported” by Russian units. “Everything is going according to plan,” the president remarked.

Lukashenko did not reveal where exactly the troops are to be deployed. Neither did he reveal the total strength of the “allied force.” Its Belarusian “core” would include “some 70,000 soldiers,” the president said. He added, though, that one should hardly expect a large Russian contingent to be sent to serve on Belarusian soil amid a protracted conflict between Moscow and Kiev.

One should not reasonably expect Moscow to send “10,000-15,000 soldiers” to Belarus, Lukashenko said, hinting that the Russian part of the allied force might be smaller. Earlier this week, he announced that an allied force could be deployed to Belarus’ western borders, citing a potential threat from NATO and Belarus’ western neighbors. At that time, he also said that the strength of the Russian military contingent in Belarus might amount to “several thousands” of soldiers.

“If we are dragged [into the conflict], we will be able to hold out. We will defend this operations line,” Lukashenko said. The president’s words also came as Belarusian Foreign Minister Vladimir Makei told Russia’s Izvestia newspaper that the nation’s security forces were put on high alert and were ready “to respond to any threats that may arise from neighboring countries.”

According to Makei, “some neighboring countries were planning provocations, as far as involving the seizure of certain areas of the Belarusian territory.” Officials in Minsk had earlier accused Kiev of blowing up bridges and amassing tens of thousands of troops along the Ukraine-Belarus border. Lukashenko claimed then that Ukraine was “not just discussing but … planning” an attack on Belarusian territory.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564689-lukashenko-russian-belarusian-allied-forces/

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Russia reacts to Azov neo-Nazi’s platform at prestigious US university
Members of the notorious far-right Ukrainian movement held an event addressing students at Stanford

Russia’s ambassador to the US has rebuked the prestigious Stanford University for hosting an event which featured fighters from the controversial Ukrainian Azov Battalion, a unit in which some members openly espouse neo-Nazi ideology.

“It would appear that in its maniacal drive to tarnish and cancel Russia, the US is prepared to glorify Nazism,” Anatoly Antonov told the media on Thursday.

On October 1, the university hosted several Azov representatives, including two former POWs recently released by Russia, according to images posted on social media and media reports. Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia and a vocal critic of Moscow, was also in attendance.

The Stanford Daily, the university’s student-run newspaper, claimed that Azov’s far-right connections were “historic” and based on online allegations. It also repeated claims by one of the guests, co-founder Giorgi Kuparashvili, that the group’s insignia is not derived from the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol but rather spells ‘N’ and ‘I’ for “national idea.”

The regiment has been rebranding over the years. In 2015, it phased out another Nazi symbol, the Black Sun, from its official logo, and is now reportedly in the process of replacing the Wolfsangel with three sword on patches.

Members of the group, including military service members, have a well-documented record of far-right ideology and links to similar-minded organizations around the world. Stanford University’s own Center for International Security and Cooperation (CISC) describes the Ukrainian organization as “a far-right nationalist network of military, paramilitary, and political organizations.” It says it is known for the “recruitment of far-right foreign fighters from the US, Russia, and Europe, as well as extensive transnational ties with other far-right organizations.”

The appearance at one of the most prestigious schools was just one of many stops of the group’s members in the US lately. A description of one of the previous events held in New Jersey said the organizers wanted to “dispel the Russian agitprop that the Azov regiment is Nazi” and raise funds for them. The term “neo-Nazi” was previously applied to the Ukrainian group by major Western news outlets, such as the New York Times.


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Russia swaps prisoners with Ukraine
Soldiers were released from captivity following talks, Moscow has confirmed

A total of 20 Russian servicemen have been returned from Kiev-controlled territory, Russia’s Defense Ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

This was “a result of the negotiation process on the exchange,” the military explained.

“All the released servicemen are being provided with the necessary psychological and medical assistance,” the ministry said, adding that they would shortly be delivered to “medical institutions for treatment and rehabilitation.”

Meanwhile, Kiev confirmed the latest prisoner swap, saying its soldiers had been freed on Thursday.

“Our people are returning home... 20 people were released from captivity,” the Ukrainian president’s chief of staff, Andrey Yermak, wrote on his Telegram channel. Among them, “14 servicemen of the Armed Forces, [four] territorial defense fighters, one National Guard officer and one naval serviceman,” he added.

In a previous exchange, which occurred in late September, 55 Russian and Donbass soldiers were freed. The then head of Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, said Kiev released Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk as part of the swap. The Ukrainian authorities charged Medvedchuk with treason last year and banned his party, Opposition Platform – For Life, after Moscow launched its military operation in Ukraine.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564623-russian-soldiers-released-captivity-ukraine/

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Elon Musk NUKED Ukrainian Gov FROM ORBIT SHUTTERING Starlink After They Told Him To F OFF:

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Elon Musk NUKED Ukrainian Gov FROM ORBIT SHUTTERING Starlink After They Told Him To F OFF. After Elon Musk proposed peace Ukrainian Government officials insulted him, now the tech billionaire is saying he won't pay for Starlink anymore in Ukraine. Already reports have surfaced that elon shuttered the use of starlink in Crimea and one person accused Elon of having spoken to Putin about it. Elon Musk denies this however. But one thing is clear, Ukraine should be grateful that Elon Musk was assisting in the ukraine war effort and if they want his support they should apologize. At any rate it seems that Biden and the Democrats do not have a plan for how to win and the end result will simply be world war three

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Well THAT was spectacular. Cool.
I never implied that this sort of mishap only happens with Russian kit.
Why did you infer that?
The Russian Empire is rife with propaganda, though.
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[Fellow Aspirant]

Thanks Bill. I shall do some research on the merits of these. I've not heard of most of them, but I suspect that they are not part of the fabric of my world view.
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Brian, I very much appreciate your reply, but it's very hard if not impossible for most other readers to figure out what you're referring to here!
When you reply to a post, click the Reply With Quote button at the bottom right of any post to which you'd like to reply, and then any readers thereafter will know who and what you're replying to.
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And who is it that keeps threatening, in his media posts, that Russia will not hesitate to use nuclear weapons?
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And who is it that keeps threatening, in his media posts, that Russia will not hesitate to use nuclear weapons?Here's Putin's entire speech — in context. As an English teacher, you know how important it very often is to understand the context of any brief extracted segment of anything at all.

1) The full written transcript is on this forum post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1519091&viewfull=1#post1519091), also on the official Kremlin website http://en.kremlin.ru, and you can also follow the translated subtitles on Putin's own Twitter account here:

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Another source is this video.

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2) The speech is long and detailed, but this is the closing section which the western media seized on.

Read it carefully! :) Putin is a trained lawyer. He's very exact and methodical in everything he does and says.

That means that what he says matters, and what he doesn't say matters. And in law, every word or phrase used has a specific meaning and is chosen very carefully. Many other world leaders might learn from his example.

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Washington, London and Brussels are openly encouraging Kiev to move the hostilities to our territory. They openly say that Russia must be defeated on the battlefield by any means, and subsequently deprived of political, economic, cultural and any other sovereignty and ransacked.

They have even resorted to the nuclear blackmail. I am referring not only to the Western-encouraged shelling of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, which poses a threat of a nuclear disaster, but also to the statements made by some high-ranking representatives of the leading NATO countries on the possibility and admissibility of using weapons of mass destruction – nuclear weapons – against Russia.

I would like to remind those who make such statements regarding Russia that our country has different types of weapons as well, and some of them are more modern than the weapons NATO countries have. In the event of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country and to defend Russia and our people, we will certainly make use of all weapon systems available to us. This is not a bluff.

The citizens of Russia can rest assured that the territorial integrity of our Motherland, our independence and freedom will be defended – I repeat – by all the systems available to us. Those who are using nuclear blackmail against us should know that the wind rose can turn around.

It is our historical tradition and the destiny of our nation to stop those who are keen on global domination and threaten to split up and enslave our Motherland. Rest assured that we will do it this time as well.

I believe in your support.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Yes, Bill, I'm quite aware of the importance of context in any communication, thanks.

I am also well aware of this address by Putin - it's been covered extensively by western media.

The fact that Putin has a legal background is evident, as well as his experience as a KGB boss - he knows how to craft his messages for maximum ambiguity while still carrying maximum intimidation. It is his ability to approach the line of actually stating his intentions without naming them that make his speeches so upsetting to his enemies, who anxiously try to parse out his intent. This is yet another aspect of his behaviour that is so dangerous.

Other times, of course, he simply lies, as when he repeatedly and clearly said that he had no intention of invading Ukraine - right up to the day before he unleashed his military and invaded Ukraine. So much for integrity. It's impossible to take him at his word.

Most dangerous, I think, is that he has threatened nuclear retaliation every time he has had a battlefield reversal, or the western allies have ponied up more support for his victim. It's his fallback response. The danger is that he has used it so often that western leaders have come to expect it, and they may not be ready it if he becomes frustrated by not being taken seriously and feels he has to actually push the button.

NATO's preparations for such an event are the only rational thing to do, but of course preparing a defense for the worst is always called being "provocative" by Putin. This is his essential charge against NATO, of course - that they are being offensive by preparing a defense. Classic Russian disinfo technique - to blame your opponent for doing what you have done. Also a favourite of the American GOP.

If Putin really wanted to guarantee the safety and longevity of his empire, he would pull all of his war machine out of Ukrainian territory (including those parts that he pretended to legally annex with his shameful hoax of a voting process) bring his people home to Mother Russia and try mending his people and country.

But he can't do that because it would reveal him to be weak and he would be ended.

So, he will continue to destroy innocent lives and he will continue to rattle his nuclear sabres, but it will not save him. Through his ignorant miscalculations and overblown ego, he has doomed himself and his country.

IMHO of course. :bigsmile:

B

[Snoweagle]

This war is not about Vladimir Putin!
This war is about the secession of Genocide in Eastern Ukraine killing Russian citizens.

In fact Putin is keeping the war hawks at bay as he seeks peaceful settlement.

The Zionists are the enemy. Judaic Freemasonry world wide.

Russia has been defending itself since the betrayal of allies during the second world war.

Russia's history over the last thousand years has been rich in conflict including conflict with the Judaic Kharzarians who are behind this one.

Neighbouring Kazakhstan's capitol city Astana, was planned to be a world/regional capitol centre for Freemasonry, which Russian and Kazak forces are now purging.

Russia, the Duma and Vladimir Putin DO NOT want war - the Zionists do.

[Mashika]

With all respect, i don't think you sr understand anything of what's going on, and i wish i had more time to explain, but unfortunately i have very little right now, so i'll just point out very quickly some basic issues i see



Yes, Bill, I'm quite aware of the importance of context in any communication, thanks.

I am also well aware of this address by Putin - it's been covered extensively by western media.

If you have listened or read this before, then you did not understand a simple thing: Sequence of events matter and form the reality that we are discussing. How, if you see the full context, then you still repeat the brain dead and, honestly, ignorant point of view of "Putin threatens with nuclear weapons every other day". That's a fabricated 'fact' that has been repeated so much by the western media and corrupt politicians that it became 'a fact' and true in the blind eyes of the westerner zombies, and not much more

In reality, the people who can't stop talking about nuclear weapons every single day are sitting on the west, living in a bubble of imbecility and foolishnes the likes the world has never seen before. It is the ultimate idiot what they represent and act day by day





The fact that Putin has a legal background is evident, as well as his experience as a KGB boss - he knows how to craft his messages for maximum ambiguity while still carrying maximum intimidation. It is his ability to approach the line of actually stating his intentions without naming them that make his speeches so upsetting to his enemies, who anxiously try to parse out his intent. This is yet another aspect of his behaviour that is so dangerous.

They fail to 'parse his intent' because they are terribly uneducated fools that are:


1. Incompetent
2. Ignorant
3. Fools
4. Arrogant imbeciles

5. Living in a bubble in which they think they are the smartest people on earth, but can't understand that they can't understand
6. Have grown so dumb that the movie Idiocracy falls short when trying to describe them :P


And finally:


7. They have believed their own lies, they lied so much that they ended up believing all those little lies and now they are totally disconnected from reality and the world out there. It's a bubble of "idiotepcionalism"






Other times, of course, he simply lies, as when he repeatedly and clearly said that he had no intention of invading Ukraine - right up to the day before he unleashed his military and invaded Ukraine. So much for integrity. It's impossible to take him at his word.
I suppose you are not aware of the reason that happened, right? Like the 200,000 troops Ukraine amassed around the border of Ukraine at the beginning of February, or how documents were leaked that described a plan to invade Donbass and do a cleansing of ethnic Russians, or how the very same top leaders of Ukraine admmited to it multiple times and even laughed at the UN when saying "the Minsk agreements were just a way to gain time while we were building our army with the intent of invade Donbass and get the land back, but not the people"


Are you aware of this information? If not, then you should consider that you are lacking vital information to make a real, clear judgment of the situation


What to do about it depends on you, of in "i care" vs "i don't care" in the end, i suppose






is that he has threatened nuclear retaliation every time he has had a battlefield reversal
If you were asked to come up with a list of all those times, would you be able to? Or are you assuming that's the case because that's what you heard?





or the western allies have ponied up more support for his victim. It's his fallback response. The danger is that he has used it so often that western leaders have come to expect it, and they may not be ready it if he becomes frustrated by not being taken seriously and feels he has to actually push the button.

The thing is, he never said anything remotely like that, and if, as you said before, you listened to the interview, you would know that, so how come we are even discussing this?


The ones that constantly, non stop, blab about the nuclear option, are sitting on the west, putting words into someone else's mouth. This is beyond clear by all evidence out there, but somehow this is not obvious? ?????


I'll call it "Putin's Schrodinger's nuclear threat" :P






NATO's preparations for such an event are the only rational thing to do, but of course preparing a defense for the worst is always called being "provocative" by Putin. This is his essential charge against NATO, of course - that they are being offensive by preparing a defense. Classic Russian disinfo technique - to blame your opponent for doing what you have done. Also a favourite of the American GOP.
This doesn't even deserve a proper reply, or consideration, It's born out of the usual garbage USA propaganda of NATO being a defensive alliance that has invaded countless countries all over the world and killed millions of innocents in the name of "freedom and democracy". It stinks of corruption, death, lies and psychopath in an irreversible power trip. Meh







If Putin really wanted to guarantee the safety and longevity of his empire, he would pull all of his war machine out of Ukrainian territory (including those parts that he pretended to legally annex with his shameful hoax of a voting process) bring his people home to Mother Russia and try mending his people and country.
Almost 9 years trying to negotiate the Minsk agreements is something most western people ignore, they act like spoiled, self-complacent, lazy foolish toddlers that can't go help themselves and look on the web past 24 of February of this year, Reality, history and Ukraine came to life that day for them, they did not even know or cared at all about where Ukraine was and around 98% of them could not point out on a map where Mariupol is even today, or tell if Mariupol is part of Donbass, or where is Novorossiya. Is Kherson part of Novorossiya? Or not? Who knows? What about Lyman, is that part of Donbass? Or what region does it belong to? Is it on Luhansk? Or Donetsk? Who knows!
Certainly not western fools with their little Ukrainian flag on their twitter profile :thumbsdown:






So, he will continue to destroy innocent lives and he will continue to rattle his nuclear sabres, but it will not save him. Through his ignorant miscalculations and overblown ego, he has doomed himself and his country.
How may people died in Donbass through the hands of the Ukrainian nazi army? How many did the UN report last time?


1. 500
2. 5000
3. 14,0000
4. 18,0000+


If you don't know at first glance, then you don't know much about the reality of Ukraine and Donbass, or why this war is going on at all. I'm sorry but that's true, you are terribly bad informed about the entire thing


There's this one saying ' Assumptions are the mother of all f*c-k ups". The assumption about what the people in Donbass wants or cares for, or what they lived, or the suggestion that they did not vote to join Russia after years of massacres and abuse, is not just offending, but it's borderline criminal, it enables murderers like the Azov to continue murdering in plain sight and never receive any punishment, because even with all the thousands of videos, documents, testimonies, bodies and plenty more of evidence, it's easier to just look the other way. That's criminal on its own right


And i do take offense of that, very honestly, because there is no justice for the thousands murdered through the years and there will never be as long as this ridiculous "i did not see anything" stupid game keeps playing in the minds of the people



No offense, but you need to understand one thing, you have zero facts straight. Perhaps getting more informed is not a waste of time after all, there's plenty of information out there, including hundreds of videos of the actual people in Donbass giving testimonies of what truly happened while under UkroNaz regime control.


And i'm sorry, no offense again, but i know way more about the situation there than you could possibly believe. So yeah





IMHO of course. :bigsmile:
B
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Mashika]

I have to wonder, where are the responsible adults in this planet?


Are those the same fake, mediocre ones that give some cash at church or at some random person in the street because "it's the right thing to do" and then also go and give money to buy guns and support Nazi criminals that go kill innocent kids on the streets of Donbass?


Where were those people 9 years ago? or 6 years ago? I read this just a few minutes ago, it's funny because i would have said a lot much more than that, but it's ok Faina, i can see that you are getting tired of trying to express and call attention to the reality you live on. I did too some time ago, after years of trying hard and seeing everyone in 'i'm not listening because i don't care' mode


This site is probably blocked on the west, who knows, but i would not put it past them, after all "the land of the free, democracy, rights and lefts and freedom of speech" had it very easy to block all those Russian media sites and channels without a second thought. Just to prove that they have rights, and lefts too, and reverse centaur mindsets as well. And not much more it's going on over there


https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/10/09/faina-savenkova-who-are-you-mr-musk/


Hello, Mr. Musk!
I don’t know if you will pay attention to my letter, because I am just a child living under shelling. Under fire from the weapons that you supply to Ukraine. Do you know what I think about when I wake up? I am glad that the night passed quietly. And I dream about space, and sometimes I write a little about it.

I was very lucky that God saved me from death both in 2014 and later, giving me the opportunity to write about what is happening now in my bleeding Donbass.

Mr. Musk, I am writing about looking at the war through the eyes of an ordinary child living here, having learned to feel the truth under the explosions of Ukrainian shells. Having learned to see her behind the false faces from television.


You helped Ukraine, but as soon as you said what you think, they immediately published your personal data on the Myrotvorets , calling you an enemy. Just like me at the time, making me a target for the hatred of Ukrainian nationalists at the age of 12. It’s scary, but I don’t despair.

Mira Terada, the Head of the Foundation to Battle Injustice , and now my friend, joined my fight with Myrotvorets (https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/07/23/ukrainian-website-myrotvorets-is-a-threat-to-the-life-and-health-of-children/). Together we managed to collect signatures of over a thousand people from all over the world, in support to close Myrotvorets, which the Foundation to Battle Injustice handed over to the UN. Every day we manage to unite more and more people who stand for the truth, freedom of speech, the right to privacy of personal data, the right to inviolability and the right to life. Mira dreams that you will help protect the aforementioned rights and children whose data is posted on Myrotvorets.

And I still dream of a world without war, of space and space exploration, and that you will be one of those who will be the new Columbus. Not the murderer of the children of Donbass, but the great Elon Musk, who made a breakthrough in space exploration. I hope our paths will cross someday, but not in the war. Good luck to you!

Faina Savenkova


I remember that feeling of despair, hopelessness and plenty more, and the realization of "It's fine as long as it doesn't happen to my family or someone i know and care for"

I'm angry for some reason lol

[Mashika]

If Putin really wanted to guarantee the safety and longevity of his empire, he would pull all of his war machine out of Ukrainian territory (including those parts that he pretended to legally annex with his shameful hoax of a voting process) bring his people home to Mother Russia and try mending his people and country.

But he can't do that because it would reveal him to be weak and he would be ended.

So, he will continue to destroy innocent lives and he will continue to rattle his nuclear sabres, but it will not save him. Through his ignorant miscalculations and overblown ego, he has doomed himself and his country.



Remember how the "babies thrown out of incubators by the army" lie was used by the US and NATO to make excuses and invade Iraq, killing millions of people?


https://www.ozy.com/true-and-stories/the-great-lie-of-the-first-gulf-war/271486/


That was acceptable back then, and it was completely fake, right? No one questioned or cared to look into it to make sure it was the truth.


But somehow, now that there's a reality in which thousands of real kids have been raped, murdered, tortured and completely dissapeared in some cases, there's no cry for justice, it's "Putin's unprovoked war"


Are people this lame for real?


Putin's ego, you said, but your country owns a very big debt to humanity, and it refuses to accept and say "we are f*cked up mentally, emotionally and morally, and we have killed innocents by the millions and came up with lies, lame excuses and will never allow anyone to bring us to justice for all the crimes against humanity we have performed"


But Putin has an overblown ego :ROFL:




Through his ignorant miscalculations and overblown ego, he has doomed himself and his country.
This, actually, it's pure western projection, this is what is happening to the western countries, like the US, Canada and others in the EU, and nothing will stop it from happening, no matter how much people project and cry about it, it's already done, it's just that people are slow and have not realized they are already living on scraps, in debt, on the streets, begging, getting loans, being slaves, never having any expectations for life other than paying rent and survive another month, total slaves to consumerism, dependent on their government to tell them how to be happy, when and why, and in total, absolute ignorance of the real world out there.



You can't be allowed to look at the real world out there, because you can't handle it


It is just like on this movie:


9FnO3igOkOk

All i see is a lot of overprotected grown up toddlers that can't handle the truth. I don't have any respect for people like that. The western governments do a lot of stuff out in the open, in front of the entire planet, but it is kept away from their own people, and they learned to look away since very long ago, they would not be able to discern the truth even if you put it in front of them and explain it "like you would to a five year old". That's why the west gov in general (of any country) feels so confident when lying and doing the nasty things they do


The people are so trapped into their own buts that they will make excuses for the odd behavior they see, or if their president acts erratically they will make up dumb excuses that in any other part of the world a 5 year old child would not believe, yet you have 50+ year old "adults" 'reasoning' that there's no other explanation and must be true because "it's the president"


That's how retarded it has all become, to the point that it is all reversed and people see nothing wrong with someone walking with their head pointing backwards side all the time

And if you look at your own western media, people like John Bolton, who in any other situation would be considered a serial murderer and a psychopath that must be put away, freely expresses what the US government has done, and then later on even laughed at it


https://www.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-says-he-planned-coups-us-best-interests-2022-7?r=US&IR=T





John Bolton said the coups he helped plan were necessary to protect America's "best interests."
Bolton made headlines last week by admitting on CNN that he helped plan coups in "other places."
On Friday night, he called out "snowflakes on the left" for being shocked by this statement.




This is something that some of the snowflakes on the left were kind of shocked at. But when you're looking out for America's best interests, you do what's necessary to protect those interests," Bolton told Bolling.

He can say it freely because he thinks that he's talking to a nation made out of sacks of manipulable potatoes, he doesn't think the 'public' has any kind of discernment skills or will get up of the couch and do something about it, the attention span of potatoes doesn't allow for that, and he trusts he is correct about his assumption about the US population


If there were real journalists in the west, and the one interviewing this psycho would have any courage or bravery at all, the next question would have been:


"So you are saying that you are doing coups around the world to protect America's best interests? In that case, how many millions of people do you estimate have died in the coups you planned to ensure America's best interests remain intact?"


And then we would see what would happen next. So we know that millions of people have died all across the world in coups designed by the US. So with this admission, is it acceptable to just pretend not to notice, like most everyone did? Were is the global outcry about this?


But "Putin's war".....
:bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile:
And that's also the same reason we have a bunch of dummies supporting the Nazi regime currently in control of Ukraine, they could not discern a Nazi from a fried chicken wing, so they will go with the most popular option everyone else is following


I apologize for being rude but I don't mince words, i don't have time for that

[Chester]

If Putin really wanted to guarantee the safety and longevity of his empire, he would pull all of his war machine out of Ukrainian territory

This is an example of the type of statements made by completely mind-propagandized non-crtitcal thinkers who have no clue as to what led up to this whole affair but not because they are incapable of educating themselves, but because they want to remain in their tiny myopic paradigm because they feel safe (which demonstrates the void in courage). The only question for me is, are folks like this being paid? That would add another motivation.

[Mike Gorman]

Yes, Bill, I'm quite aware of the importance of context in any communication, thanks.

I am also well aware of this address by Putin - it's been covered extensively by western media.

The fact that Putin has a legal background is evident, as well as his experience as a KGB boss - he knows how to craft his messages for maximum ambiguity while still carrying maximum intimidation. It is his ability to approach the line of actually stating his intentions without naming them that make his speeches so upsetting to his enemies, who anxiously try to parse out his intent. This is yet another aspect of his behaviour that is so dangerous.

Other times, of course, he simply lies, as when he repeatedly and clearly said that he had no intention of invading Ukraine - right up to the day before he unleashed his military and invaded Ukraine. So much for integrity. It's impossible to take him at his word.

Most dangerous, I think, is that he has threatened nuclear retaliation every time he has had a battlefield reversal, or the western allies have ponied up more support for his victim. It's his fallback response. The danger is that he has used it so often that western leaders have come to expect it, and they may not be ready it if he becomes frustrated by not being taken seriously and feels he has to actually push the button.

NATO's preparations for such an event are the only rational thing to do, but of course preparing a defense for the worst is always called being "provocative" by Putin. This is his essential charge against NATO, of course - that they are being offensive by preparing a defense. Classic Russian disinfo technique - to blame your opponent for doing what you have done. Also a favourite of the American GOP.

If Putin really wanted to guarantee the safety and longevity of his empire, he would pull all of his war machine out of Ukrainian territory (including those parts that he pretended to legally annex with his shameful hoax of a voting process) bring his people home to Mother Russia and try mending his people and country.

But he can't do that because it would reveal him to be weak and he would be ended.

So, he will continue to destroy innocent lives and he will continue to rattle his nuclear sabres, but it will not save him. Through his ignorant miscalculations and overblown ego, he has doomed himself and his country.

IMHO of course. :bigsmile:

B

Every misdemeanour you accuse Putin of is amplified and demonstrated 10 fold by NATO and the duplicitous Western leaders, I consider Putin's speeches to be actually almost naive in their clarity, he speaks with pragmatic clarity and guileless directness, contrast this with garbled doublespeak of the western spokespersons!
2014 we witnessed an outrageous staged Coup in Ukraine, the incumbent, and yes Pro-Russian president was violently forced to flee.
Since this time we have seen Ukraine being cynically exploited by NATO/USA intelligence, biolabs furtively operating, Nazi war lords (ironic bombast) encouraged to build their local battalions, Ukraine ordinary people forced to submit to Kiev directives and policies: ALL opposition made illegal.
Putin for all his faults is a hero compared with the revolting corruption of the British/USA intelligence/military establishment.
Your analysis of this event is simplistic, without rigour or learning, you are simply echoing the propaganda of the western media, which is directed by the same corrupt criminals who operate NATO, and the Democrat party in America, you accuse Putin of moral turpitude, when it is the West that is so very much at fault here.
Opportunities for peaceful settlement were legion, but at each turn these have been refused and blatantly, contemptuously rejected by the criminal regimes of the West.
You persist with this heckling and petty squabble with Bill Ryan, for goodness sake grow up and try and develop some breadth and scope in your political understanding, I recognise the talking points you utter, they are drearily without insight or honesty.

[Vicus]

Nigredo

In alchemy, nigredo, or blackness, means putrefaction or decomposition. Many alchemists believed that as a first step in the pathway to the philosopher's stone, all alchemical ingredients had to be cleansed and cooked extensively to a uniform black matter.[1]

In analytical psychology, the term became a metaphor for "the dark night of the soul", when an individual confronts the shadow within.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigredo


This Thread is 293 pages long, yesterday I try to post something with some "old" post of mine and I couldn't find it I search right title
but no luck, then I gib up, but it was interesting to see what and who posted...

a) Post in the beginning were about "rumors of war" most of posters were gone when war began...
b) another set from people began to post about war time... (myself too)
c) "globes off" time (now)

NOW began Nigredo time!

after last ukros offensive and little gain from empty land and ghost towns, began to crawl in this Thread a new set of posters I never
heard of, or seen elsewhere who began just to pester everything and everybody... (they buy the "Russia is losing" bla bla sh1t )

And after areal response after Crimea bridge gig the "new posters" lost it...and are in the dark like all Ukranazia, in their own dark night of the soul... reality is a b1ch!

The hour is infinite too late to teach or explain what? after 293 pages info ? give me a break!

Save your time and energy for what is worth of

[Mashika]

Because being a Cossack is something you carry with pride and honor inside your soul, you don't get to join by your parents forcing you, instead, you join because you want to be part of it, and when you get to carry your own sword and the Cossack blood wakes on you, then you become a warrior and are not afraid of death or anything, as long as you are able to protect your own people

swodki/177031


We want to serve the Orthodox faith! The ranks of the Cossacks were replenished with young people.

The Intercession of the Most Holy Theotokos is a holiday, holy for the Cossacks. On this day, they gather for service in the temple, followed by a formation, after which a new addition enters the ranks of the Cossacks after the oath. There are girls among them.

"This is a conscious decision, we have long wanted to join the Cossacks. We received a blessing from our parents," Dasha from Krasnolimansky district and Alexandra from Yenakievo told the Donbass channel.

Many of the united Cossacks of Donbass could not attend the holiday, they are now defending their Fatherland.




This is what most people who critizise or call this "Putin's war" doesn't understand, these kids are not even born in Russia, they are born in Ukraine, but they are, before anything else Cossacks, and second, they want to be Russian, otherwise you think they suddenly just yesterday they woke up and felt the urge to go join the ranks at that age? They have seen things, they know what's going on, and they don't want to belong to Ukraine anymore, or grow up there


Why is that so hard to understand for some people? These kids are Ukrainian kids, joining the Cossack army to defend their people against the Ukrainian Nazi murderers. There is a time when you have to stop and think "why are kids like these girls and the other younger ones, joining the ranks, what's going on over there that causes this extreme meassure?"


Can some people start using some critical thinking? Putin and Russia had nothing to do with the fact that in 2013 a coup was planned and plans were made to cleanse the entire region of Donbass of ethnic russians, Putin and Russia had nothing to do with the fact that in 2014 the coup happened and the extermination began with the help of the US and allies, and that nothing would stop it until a few months ago when this war started


Up to 20,000 people died between 2013 and February, 2022, and no one who supports Ukraine in this 'cleansing' even bothers to look it up, they don't care, it did not happen, it's 'Russian propaganda', lies and disinformation, even if the evidence is recorded by the very same UN. For all they care to understand, the mass murder of 20,000+ people is Putin's lie to make excuses and invade Ukraine, and nothing, even the recorded UN official evidence, will change their minds


If you want to see something funny, and stupid at the same time, go read the thread on twitter where Eva Bartlet exposed that Elon Musk had been added to the kill list


1580921221310341120


Some comments are invaluable



Look at this genious:


Alexander P.

(https://twitter.com/stealer_tweet)
She was working, and is working for RT network. It is some sort of foreign journalist to spread Russian propaganda in Western countries.
Then look at this 'person'
1581146213973643264


1581146956918759424

And of course the usual NAFO idiots didn't fail to be present, they don't even try to hide they are NAFO members. Useful idiots at work




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1581052329935400961


The entire twitter thread is a valuable example of how the truth is dismissed as 'russian propaganda', there are even some ukrainian trolls claiming that the kill list was made and is maintained by Russia! :bigsmile::silent:

[Bill Ryan]

Most dangerous, I think, is that he has threatened nuclear retaliation every time he has had a battlefield reversal, or the western allies have ponied up more support for his victim.He hasn't.

It genuinely bothers and worries me a very great deal that


I know you're a highly intelligent and educated man, and
You're a truly friendly and pleasant person to be with, as I learned when we met a few years ago over dinner

...and despite those admirable personal qualities,


You can get things so terribly badly wrong, and
You're so totally influenced by the western media, who are NOT your friends.

Multiply that successful media manipulation by several tens (or even hundreds) of millions, and the world is in deep, deep trouble — and your sincere but seriously misplaced beliefs are all contributing to that.

:heart:

[Mashika]

Maria Dubovikova got censored by twitter :)


She literally just translated/transcribed what the woman was saying, there's nothing else on her tweet except for saying that it is "dramatic photos for western media",

There is a video where the woman speaks and says that, and the tweet got removed because of "sharing false or misleading info that might bring harm to crisis affected populations". Dude.. the lady is the one saying those word in the tweet, in a video, made and used in western media....


...

politblogme/195

[Mashika]

A bit of "dark" humor... lmao, because "when i'm lying in my bed at night, i don't want to grow up". I'm lazy and growing up takes a lot of effort, and adulthood is the worst neighborhood i have ever visited :P


1A4xdLDsivY

Nothing like a bit of dark humor to lighten up the day :P :ROFL::beer:



:cat:

[David Trd1]

Most dangerous, I think, is that he has threatened nuclear retaliation every time he has had a battlefield reversal, or the western allies have ponied up more support for his victim.He hasn't.

It genuinely bothers and worries me a very great deal that


I know you're a highly intelligent and educated man, and
You're a truly friendly and pleasant person to be with, as I learned when we met a few years ago over dinner

...and despite those admirable personal qualities,


You can get things so terribly badly wrong, and
You're so totally influenced by the western media, who are NOT your friends.

Multiply that successful media manipulation by several tens (or even hundreds) of millions, and the world is in deep, deep trouble — and your sincere but seriously misplaced beliefs are all contributing to that.

:heart:

I have to say - that the propaganda wont be loud enough when the situation on the ground starts to change dramitically from Nov through Feb. The Narrative that Russia is losing and has run out of men, missiles and equipment will be an ''Emperor with no clothes'' story in the extreme.

[Bill Ryan]

no offense again, but i know way more about the situation there than you could possibly believe.

She truly does. :flower:

[Bill Ryan]

If Putin really wanted to guarantee the safety and longevity of his empire, he would pull all of his war machine out of Ukrainian territory

This is an example of the type of statements made by completely mind-propagandized non-crtitcal thinkers who have no clue as to what led up to this whole affair but not because they are incapable of educating themselves, but because they want to remain in their tiny myopic paradigm because they feel safe (which demonstrates the void in courage). The only question for me is, are folks like this being paid? That would add another motivation.This thread may offer a clue:


Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114787-Why-humans-are-unintelligent-it-s-all-about-belief)

Or, as ex-CIA mind control researcher Dr Robert Duncan states,
The human mind has no firewall.
There are very intrusive ways that the controllers can take advantage of that, but subtle (and not-so-subtle!) persistently repeated propaganda, beaten like a 24/7 drumbeat, can do the same job of literally brainwashing people.

What I replied to Fellow Aspirant above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1522923&viewfull=1#post1522923) was sincerely meant. I've met him over a most enjoyable and pleasant dinner, and he's a super-nice person. He's also helped me considerably, going to a great deal of personal trouble, over a different real-world problem that I had once.

But it really, really concerns me (and almost frightens me!) that so many good people can be so misled, corralled and controlled — literally so that their thoughts are not their own.

They THINK their thoughts are their own — of course — but their thoughts are just being fed to them on a media dripfeed which they absorb uncritically and almost gratefully. They feel happy and satisfied that they feel they understand the world (and have a certain worldview, as Fellow Aspirant wrote here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1522858&viewfull=1#post1522858)) — but that worldview they absorb, and then cling on to and cannot let go of because their sense of self is intertwined with it, is merely one more asset to the global controllers who do NOT have humanity's interest at heart.

People reading this will either understand it, or they won't.

If they won't, then even though they may be super-nice people and model citizens, there's unlikely to be any hope that they will ever be helping the human race to turn around in any meaningful way.

[Rizotto]

It comes down to where we choose to get information. Since we’re supposedly operating in a representative democratic system, then we have a responsibility to get informed on issues that our government is to engage with.

We have the internet now, which is fabulous. There is no excuse for not even trying to look at various fact-based reporting, and analysis from multiple sources, and make up one’s own mind about their validity or lack thereof.

The Canadian national news site, CBC, used to be fairly good, but many of us realized with dismay that about 5 years ago it was completely taken over by the ‘cabal’ and turned into a propaganda machine. I know from personal experience that those Canadians that go along with Turdeau’s propaganda (which is WHO, NATO and WEF propaganda) only check CBC for information. CBC’s reports on the Ukraine-Russia conflict have been riddled with fallacies.

It gets worse: the Trudeau regime is currently trying to implement a new law (Bill C-11) that would restrict internet content or what Canadians can access on the internet. So, right now there’s a lot of comments on the part of Turdeau about internet ‘disinformation’ being a huge problem and that Canadians need to be protected from that. Canadians are specifically discouraged from exploring alternative news sites. With Bill C-11 we would not even be allowed to do so. That would be a nightmare.

This “disinformation” scare has gained traction among some Canadians. They view certain alternative news sites as ‘fake news’, although they never even checked it out for themselves, and even warned me against looking at this info. These folks, although intelligent and educated, have gone down the deep end of self-censorship.

But we still have a choice right now to access other content, and use our critical thinking skills to decide what’s more likely to be true and logical. And change our mind when faced with new facts.

[Kryztian]

US senators propose punishment for major ally
The US weaponry guarding Riyadh’s oil infrastructure should instead be moved to Ukraine, lawmakers suggest
https://www.rt.com/news/564723-saudi-weapon-us-ukraine/

US weapons should be withdrawn from Saudi Arabia as punishment for oil output cuts, announced last week by the de-facto leader of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), Democratic lawmakers have said.

“For several years, the US military has deployed Patriot missile defense batteries to Saudi Arabia to help defend oil infrastructure against missile and drone attacks. These advanced air and missile defense systems should be re-deployed to bolster the defenses of eastern flank NATO allies like Poland and Romania — or transferred to our Ukrainian partners,” Democratic Senator from Connecticut Chris Murphy said in a statement on Thursday.

Murphy, who is a member of the US Senate’s Foreign Relations Committee, also supported calls to “freeze new military aid to Saudi Arabia,” and called for the suspension of the planned sale of Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) to Riyadh. The US government had cleared the Saudis to purchase 180 AMRAAM missiles for $650 million last year.

“Policy decisions have consequences, and these steps would right-size [the] relationship with Saudi Arabia and help Ukraine,” the senator argued.

Washington has been urging Riyadh to increase oil production for months, arguing that lower prices would hurt Russia and make it harder for Moscow to finance its military operation in Ukraine. However, the OPEC+ group, which includes Russia, outraged the US last Wednesday by announcing an oil output cut of two million barrels a day starting in November.

The move led by Riyadh, which has been America’s main ally in the Gulf region for decades, was “a real slap in his face,” Ro Khanna, a Democratic congressman from California, told the Guardian newspaper.

“I believe it is a total miscalculation by the Saudis,” he said, adding that there was still time for the country to come to its senses and reverse the OPEC+ decision.

“At the very least, the Patriot missiles will be suspended,” Khanna, who has been a long-time critic of Riyadh, suggested. The deal, under which the kingdom would have received 300 Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missile-Tactical Ballistic Missiles (GEM-T) for $3 billion, was greenlit by Washington in August.

The lawmaker rejected explanations by the Saudi Foreign Ministry, which said earlier this week that oil production cuts were a unanimous decision of OPEC+ members, made purely for economic reasons.

“The reality is that there is no economic case for what they are doing. This was punitive for Americans and it is aiding [Russia's President Vladimir] Putin,” Khanna insisted.

https://www.rt.com/news/564723-saudi-weapon-us-ukraine/

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1581310449621995521
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https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1581331365752029185
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https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1581354648161509377
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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564730-nafo-founder-nazi-posts/

Pro-Ukrainian NAFO troll chief outed as ‘Nazi’

The Polish Twitter user behind the ‘NAFO’ phenomenon locked his account on Saturday after critics discovered his lengthy record of posts praising Nazi Germany, insulting Jews and denying the Holocaust. The troll-in-chief insists he posted the controversial material “to fit in.”

Kamil Dyszewski has received glowing praise in Western media for posting a crudely-edited Shiba Inu avatar to Twitter earlier this summer. The cartoon dog soon caught on, and pro-Ukrainian accounts began to display their own Shiba avatars and refer to themselves as ‘NAFO’, or the ‘North Atlantic Fellas Organization.’

Since then, the ‘Fellas’ can be found spreading Kiev’s talking points, ganging up to swarm polls and report pro-Moscow accounts, and soliciting donations for the Ukrainian military.



Before his work was lauded by American weapons manufacturers and their sponsored think tanks, Dyszewski used online platforms to post racialist propaganda about Jews, dispute the Holocaust, and praise Adolf Hitler and other top Nazis. Among the posts are cartoons denying the existence of gas chambers at concentration camps and a meme describing a comparison to Hitler as “nice,” as well as additional photos of the Nazi leader and his propagandist, Joseph Goebbels.



Questioned by some within his own ranks, Dyszewski locked his Twitter account on Saturday, but not before posting an explanation. Describing the controversial posts as “overly edgy and incredibly inappropriate ‘jokes,’” Dyszewski said that he made them “to fit in,” without explaining with whom he was attempting to fit in. He added that these posts, all made around 2020, “do not represent me as a person.”



While NAFO may have started with an offhand internet post by a Polish gamer, it has since grown into a internet-wide phenomenon, counting US Congressman Adam Kinzinger, Ukrainian Defense Minister Aleksey Reznikov, and a host of Western analysts, spies, and other members of the intelligence community as ‘Fellas.’

This member roll has led some critics to argue that NAFO is a creation of Western intelligence agencies. Similar pro-Ukrainian social media campaigns have previously been identified as relying on masses of ‘bot’ accounts.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1581325355725778945
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https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1581325363598479360
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https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1581325369231409152
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1581364345531142145
1581364345531142145

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1581364882263670785
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1581312856402046976
1581312856402046976

[Vicus]

Hungary's national consultation on the EU's Russian sanctions is the purest form of Western democracy

Far from being the so-called "fascist" that his foes never tire of fearmongering that he supposedly is, Orban is objectively the last remaining practitioner of true Western Democracy in the world.

Over a month and a half after "The German Foreign Minister Discredited The Entire Concept Of Western Democracy" by stubbornly declaring that her government will continue sanctioning Russia despite the hardships that this has brought upon the German people, Hungary rose to the occasion to save that very same concept through its forthcoming national consultation on this issue. Prime Minister Orban, who's a bonafide conservative-multipolar visionary that vowed to double down on his independent foreign policy in complete defiance of his country's political enemies after winning re-election, will solicit his people's feedback on seven questions of relevance to their national wellbeing that read as follows:

"1. Do you agree with the Brussels oil sanctions?

2. Do you agree with the sanctions on natural gas supplies?

3. Do you agree with the sanctions on raw materials?

4. Do you agree with sanctions on nuclear fuel?

5. Do you agree that the Paks investment should be covered by the sanctions?

6. Do you agree with sanctions which have the effect of restricting tourism?

7. Do you agree with the sanctions that are causing rising food prices?"

Through mail-in polling to each household in order to assess its citizens' stance on the position that their elected representatives should have towards this issue, Hungary is practicing the purest form of Western Democracy. It's also wisely seeking to avoid the protests that rocked nearby Prague in early September, which were caused not by "Russian propaganda" like Czech officials falsely claimed, but by those same officials' counterproductive policies connected to the anti-Russian sanctions. Far from being the so-called "fascist" that his foes never tire of fearmongering that he supposedly is, Orban is objectively the last remaining practitioner of true Western Democracy in the world.

This observation leads to several "politically incorrect" conclusions. First, the bloc's most comparatively Russian-friendly state is also its most democratic. Second, its leadership sincerely values feedback from their citizens when formulating its policy towards the EU's anti-Russian sanctions. Third, if a majority of people reject Brussels' demands, then it would be anti-democratic for the bloc to punish Hungary for refusing to comply with them. Fourth, Budapest's example could inspire other EU societies to peacefully rally for similar consultations on this issue. And finally, judging by the German Foreign Minister's stubborn stance, Berlin might encourage its vassals to violently crack down on those demonstrations.

The takeaway is that those states on radical anti-Russian trajectories also happen to be the least democratic despite their rhetoric to the contrary, which exposes this concept as hollow whenever it's referenced by their representatives. They took for granted that their people were successfully brainwashed into regarding Western Democracy as a "secular religion" whose "political priests" can't be questioned, yet that and this artificially manufactured "faith" itself were always nothing but illusions that were just exposed as fake after folks finally had to choose between this sacrificing for this "belief system" or preserving their own socio-economic wellbeing.

Instead of deferring to their own people by having them democratically decide how their elected representatives should formulate related policies, the EU elite (many of whom were never directly elected) believe that "they know better" and aren't afraid to forcefully impose their will onto everyone else in the event that those very same people peacefully rally for their own national consultations. Considering this, there's no doubt that Western Democracy no longer exists in practice anywhere in the world apart from Hungary, having transformed into a unipolar-liberal dictatorship that's nowadays completely disconnected from the desires of everyday people exactly as President Putin recently noted.

https://www.sott.net/article/473201-Hungarys-national-consultation-on-the-EUs-Russian-sanctions-is-the-purest-form-of-Western-democracy

[Snoweagle]

Things do not seem to be going well for French President Emmanuel Macron. (whether Ukraine related or otherwise)

I do not know the significance of the black eye in context of reward or failure, though he does appear to have had a bad time with it. God is good.

https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1580271555141337088
1580271555141337088

[gnostic9]

Clare Daly, Irish MEP, at a european parliament meeting about Ukraine.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KAUaRR2GAs


Love peace and joy to all!

[Chester]

If Putin really wanted to guarantee the safety and longevity of his empire, he would pull all of his war machine out of Ukrainian territory

This is an example of the type of statements made by completely mind-propagandized non-crtitcal thinkers who have no clue as to what led up to this whole affair but not because they are incapable of educating themselves, but because they want to remain in their tiny myopic paradigm because they feel safe (which demonstrates the void in courage). The only question for me is, are folks like this being paid? That would add another motivation.This thread may offer a clue:


Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114787-Why-humans-are-unintelligent-it-s-all-about-belief)

Or, as ex-CIA mind control researcher Dr Robert Duncan states,
The human mind has no firewall.
There are very intrusive ways that the controllers can take advantage of that, but subtle (and not-so-subtle!) persistently repeated propaganda, beaten like a 24/7 drumbeat, can do the same job of literally brainwashing people.

What I replied to Fellow Aspirant above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1522923&viewfull=1#post1522923) was sincerely meant. I've met him over a most enjoyable and pleasant dinner, and he's a super-nice person. He's also helped me considerably, going to a great deal of personal trouble, over a different real-world problem that I had once.

But it really, really concerns me (and almost frightens me!) that so many good people can be so misled, corralled and controlled — literally so that their thoughts are not their own.

They THINK their thoughts are their own — of course — but their thoughts are just being fed to them on a media dripfeed which they absorb uncritically and almost gratefully. They feel happy and satisfied that they feel they understand the world (and have a certain worldview, as Fellow Aspirant wrote here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1522858&viewfull=1#post1522858)) — but that worldview they absorb, and then cling on to and cannot let go of because their sense of self is intertwined with it, is merely one more asset to the global controllers who do NOT have humanity's interest at heart.

People reading this will either understand it, or they won't.

If they won't, then even though they may be super-nice people and model citizens, there's unlikely to be any hope that they will ever be helping the human race to turn around in any meaningful way.

I understand your post, Bill.

But where I am at with all this is that there's a simple bottom line. Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. I have been inundated with the same brainwashing, but my gut spoke too and it said, "something smells." And so I acted upon my own personal responsibility and have dedicated myself to the pursuit of truth regarding our worlds most pressing issues. Including who/what we are, the nature of being, the nature of reality and all the silly dramas of planet Earth (and the nearby celestial bodies). There's no excuse for the capable to remain ensconced in ignorance.

We can't afford to wait for them to wake up by offering them some "bad guy" that did this to them where they can then play victim against. So, whereas I get your point, it's no excuse anymore. The situation on Earth doesn't have the luxury of time in applying the soft touch anymore. They either grow up, stop drinking the cool-aid (which begins with admitting they have been), get a clue, do the real homework and then experience the true transformation where one can finally be good for others or to hell with them.

This takes bravery and an ability to consider they have gotten quite a bit wrong. If they can't do that then **** 'em.

[Johnnycomelately]

Pretty harsh on people you don’t know, Chester. How do you know that your efforts are even effective in affecting big earthly changes, events that have hugely more energy/intention behind them. It has always been so, that when the big powers argue, it’s on a massive scale. My own life is mostly tuned to dealing with what my days show me needs attending. That is what is I do, and I don’t feel sorry for others that choose a similar focus. All we can really change is our respective self.

As an example, think of the effort that has happened in process of military goals and means. If you believe, as I do, that attention and effort are actually consequent, then how do you think all that war-energy ends up? Kharma wouldn’t work but for ‘conservation of energy’.

We can make our biggest difference to the whole by fixing our personal self, IMO. The big picture is a nice and sometimes useful idea, only.






If Putin really wanted to guarantee the safety and longevity of his empire, he would pull all of his war machine out of Ukrainian territory

This is an example of the type of statements made by completely mind-propagandized non-crtitcal thinkers who have no clue as to what led up to this whole affair but not because they are incapable of educating themselves, but because they want to remain in their tiny myopic paradigm because they feel safe (which demonstrates the void in courage). The only question for me is, are folks like this being paid? That would add another motivation.This thread may offer a clue:


Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114787-Why-humans-are-unintelligent-it-s-all-about-belief)

Or, as ex-CIA mind control researcher Dr Robert Duncan states,
The human mind has no firewall.
There are very intrusive ways that the controllers can take advantage of that, but subtle (and not-so-subtle!) persistently repeated propaganda, beaten like a 24/7 drumbeat, can do the same job of literally brainwashing people.

What I replied to Fellow Aspirant above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1522923&viewfull=1#post1522923) was sincerely meant. I've met him over a most enjoyable and pleasant dinner, and he's a super-nice person. He's also helped me considerably, going to a great deal of personal trouble, over a different real-world problem that I had once.

But it really, really concerns me (and almost frightens me!) that so many good people can be so misled, corralled and controlled — literally so that their thoughts are not their own.

They THINK their thoughts are their own — of course — but their thoughts are just being fed to them on a media dripfeed which they absorb uncritically and almost gratefully. They feel happy and satisfied that they feel they understand the world (and have a certain worldview, as Fellow Aspirant wrote here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1522858&viewfull=1#post1522858)) — but that worldview they absorb, and then cling on to and cannot let go of because their sense of self is intertwined with it, is merely one more asset to the global controllers who do NOT have humanity's interest at heart.

People reading this will either understand it, or they won't.

If they won't, then even though they may be super-nice people and model citizens, there's unlikely to be any hope that they will ever be helping the human race to turn around in any meaningful way.

I understand your post, Bill.

But where I am at with all this is that there's a simple bottom line. Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. I have been inundated with the same brainwashing, but my gut spoke too and it said, "something smells." And so I acted upon my own personal responsibility and have dedicated myself to the pursuit of truth regarding our worlds most pressing issues. Including who/what we are, the nature of being, the nature of reality and all the silly dramas of planet Earth (and the nearby celestial bodies). There's no excuse for the capable to remain ensconced in ignorance.

We can't afford to wait for them to wake up by offering them some "bad guy" that did this to them where they can then play victim against. So, whereas I get your point, it's no excuse anymore. The situation on Earth doesn't have the luxury of time in applying the soft touch anymore. They either grow up, stop drinking the cool-aid (which begins with admitting they have been), get a clue, do the real homework and then experience the true transformation where one can finally be good for others or to hell with them.

This takes bravery and an ability to consider they have gotten quite a bit wrong. If they can't do that then **** 'em.

[Bill Ryan]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

[Rizotto]

Another interesting analysis by Scott Ritter - 7 minutes video

"Scott Ritter: Russia to Achieve TOTAL Victory Against Ukraine amid EU Collapse"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwVYbKpzzUw

[jaybee]

Things do not seem to be going well for French President Emmanuel Macron. (whether Ukraine related or otherwise)

I do not know the significance of the black eye in context of reward or failure, though he does appear to have had a bad time with it. God is good.

https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1580271555141337088
1580271555141337088


don't want to go off topic but..... surely if he had a black eye like that he would use a concealer of some kind..
I think this must be fake - also Macron looks different but I don't know him well enough to pin it down... perhaps it's a younger Macron and the black eye has been added to suggest ....... very nasty practices which it's best not to get onto here...

[Tintin]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

Seconding this :thumbsup:

I've actually just finished watching again after many years a fascinating documentary made in 2006 featuring the British group Crass who were way more than just a noisy DIY (anti) punk band. Their very simple message, or statement: there is no authority but yourself which was used as the title for this documentary.

I've decided to put this in the Avalon library under a new section called Music documentaries.

The music may not be everyone's cup of tea but the footage of the work and community at Dial House, not far from where I grew up, in England, is inspiring, as is Penny Rimbaud, an intelligent man full of integrity; he's the embodiment of all he stands for and is a generous soul too - he once gave a friend of mine an amplifier to support him in his guitar playing.

There is also a fascinating segment from around 44 minutes to 52 minutes in where Penny describes what really happened around the 1983 'KGB tapes' incident which was a Crass art project that used clips from different Reagan and Thatcher statements, voiced by two of the collective around the HMS Sheffield incident during the Falklands conflict.

As for its relevance here on this thread, I'm now pretty unsure ( :) ) but thought it may be of interest to some, inspired by Chester's comment above.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Music_documentaries/Crass_-_There_is_No_Authority_but_Yourself_%28Alexander_Oey-2006%29.mp4

:focus:

[Michel Leclerc]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

Yes, but we are also personally responsible for other humans/animals/sentient beings we have chosen to be personally responsible for.

(And fail. And are forgiven that failing— because we tried.)

[atman]

Things do not seem to be going well for French President Emmanuel Macron. (whether Ukraine related or otherwise)

I do not know the significance of the black eye in context of reward or failure, though he does appear to have had a bad time with it. God is good.

https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1580271555141337088
1580271555141337088


don't want to go off topic but..... surely if he had a black eye like that he would use a concealer of some kind..
I think this must be fake - also Macron looks different but I don't know him well enough to pin it down... perhaps it's a younger Macron and the black eye has been added to suggest ....... very nasty practices which it's best not to get onto here...


It is indeed fake, as far as the black eye is concerned.

That is from Macron's news conference at the end of the Informal EU 27 Summit in Prague, Czech Republic, October 7, 2022.

The excerpt shown in the tweet happens at minute 19:14 in the full video which can be seen here (https://video.lefigaro.fr/figaro/video/suivez-la-conference-de-presse-demmanuel-macron-a-la-fin-de-la-communaute-politique-europeenne/).

[Tintin]

A clutch of updates here from various Telegram channels:

https://t.me/intelslava/39273

intelslava/39273

https://t.me/intelslava/39271

intelslava/39271

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/4479

UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/4479

Ukrovoyak to Zelensky 71st Jaeger Brigade of Armed Forces of Ukraine complained they were forced to go with machine guns against the artillery of the Russian Armed Forces

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/4480

UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/4480

Polish mercenaries fighting on the side of Ukraine

[Eric J (Viking)]

Let’s hope this doesn’t escalate…!

China is urging its citizens to evacuate from war-torn Ukraine.

Beijing's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Chinese Embassy in Ukraine announced on Saturday that all Chinese citizens should evacuate the country, according to the Global Times, a Chinese state news agency. The embassy said it would assist its citizens in this capacity.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/china-evacuate-ukraine

Further link

https://tass.com/world/1523377

Viking

[Chester]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

Yes, but we are also personally responsible for other humans/animals/sentient beings we have chosen to be personally responsible for.

(And fail. And are forgiven that failing— because we tried.)

We disagree - I have no responsibility for others. I have responsibility to others... but never for others.

If I were to "choose to be personally responsible for another," I am arrogantly robbing them of their own free will.

[ExomatrixTV]

Just in general: does not matter if you are Pro Ukrainian or Pro Russia both sides accuse the other of spreading propaganda meanwhile assuming they themselves "never" did or will not do ... that in itself is super hilarious but at the same time very sad. :shocked:

Even if turned out to be that both sides use "propaganda" techniques 24/7 ... it is about the degree of how much of it are: >> provable lies << versus >> provable truths << and the moment both sides do not care to find that out we all are in deep trouble ... https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0406%20Facepalm.gif

Having said that ... the provable lies of Mainstream Media (especially western MSM) is so obvious you have to be really willfully dumb (or act dumb) for not to see it ... and the provable truths that among others are broadcasted on RT (https://twitter.com/rt_com) (banned & censored in almost all Nato countries) is also super obvious ... you have QUESTION why Western MSM are so afraid to have a real transparent open unedited debate!


Just using name-callings (full of unchecked assumptions) does not do it for me ... sorry! ... It is actually pathetic really.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Chester]

Just in general: does not matter if you are Pro Ukrainian or Pro Russia both sides accuse the other of spreading propaganda meanwhile assuming they themselves "never" did or will not do ... that in itself is super hilarious but at the same time very very sad.

Even if both sides use "propaganda" techniques 24/7 ... it is about the degree of how much of it are: >> provable lies << versus >> provable truths << and the moment both sides do not care to find that out everybody is in deep trouble ...

Having said that ... the provable lies of Mainstream Media (especially western MSM) is so obvious you have to be really willfully dumb (or act dumb) for not to see it ... and the provable truths that among others is broadcasted on RT (https://twitter.com/rt_com) (banned & censored in almost all Nato countries) is also super obvious ... you have QUESTION why Western MSM are so afraid to have a real transparent open unedited debate!


Just using name-callings does it do it for me ... sorry! ... It is actually pathetic really.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Correct - "willfully dumb."

[ExomatrixTV]

Let’s hope this doesn’t escalate…!



China is urging its citizens to evacuate from war-torn Ukraine.

Beijing's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Chinese Embassy in Ukraine announced on Saturday that all Chinese citizens should evacuate the country, according to the Global Times, a Chinese state news agency. The embassy said it would assist its citizens in this capacity.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/china-evacuate-ukraine

Further link

https://tass.com/world/1523377

Viking

I wonder if it could all be a part of a script ... a playbook to distract the Western masses from how much deep corruption & deceit is exposed last months!


MORE AND MORE PEOPLE DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY!

Am not saying it is China alone ... but much more an international script international playbook of spreading FEAR ... patterns of distractions taking the attention away of how we all are deeply and systematically manipulated on so so many levels! ... Which are exposed almost daily now!


"Mass Formation Psychosis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQChw_Rk1Kk)" comes to mind ...

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Michel Leclerc]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

Yes, but we are also personally responsible for other humans/animals/sentient beings we have chosen to be personally responsible for.

(And fail. And are forgiven that failing— because we tried.)

We disagree - I have no responsibility for others. I have responsibility to others... but never for others.

If I were to "choose to be personally responsible for another," I am arrogantly robbing them of their own free will.

Well Chester.. maybe it is just semantics and/or my lousy command of English — maybe also we use a word like "responsible" with a personal meaning (what we mean by it when we use it) that differs.. and our “disagreement” is a difference between what we really mean, "personally", when we use the word.

I am talking about relationships between humans/animals/sentient beings that are tinged, characterised, by love, friendship, intimacy, endearment etc. Such relationships are also characterised by mutual responsibility (like when God asked Cain about Abel, and Cain answered "am I my brother’s guardian?", the answer to which question was "yes, you are" (I am paraphrasing this passus without implying any religious adherence to "bible belief")).

Obviously also such very strong relationships can be to some extent conditional (we may fail, as I have written) but the intention is that they are not and proof of such responsibility being honoured when tested is generally a “transcendental” experience of "the power of love".

I guess you may agree with that.

Then my argument would run as follows: is it not true that "responsibility for oneself" only can be that strong (so strong as you – in my opinion – correctly claim it is) if and when it is also a responsibility arising from love? Love for oneself in this case, deriving from the moral obligation to love and guard, and take care of, oneself (body, soul and spirit)? How could responsibility for oneself indeed be less strong than the one arising from love for oneself?

And then – if this is the case, and responsibility for oneself is indeed a sign of loving oneself, how then would love for others than myself (my beloved, my friends, my animals, the greenery surrounding me etc.) not be a full responsibility for them?

(I have to admit that I would never think that my loving another human would rob this human “of their free will”. Robbing is part of not-loving and loving is part of not-robbing (when thinking in set theory terms).)

[Bill Ryan]

Let’s hope this doesn’t escalate…!

China is urging its citizens to evacuate from war-torn Ukraine.

Beijing's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Chinese Embassy in Ukraine announced on Saturday that all Chinese citizens should evacuate the country, according to the Global Times, a Chinese state news agency. The embassy said it would assist its citizens in this capacity.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/china-evacuate-ukraine

Further link

https://tass.com/world/1523377The following countries have all recommended that their citizens leave Ukraine:


China
Serbia
Kazakhstan
Uzbekistan
Turkmenistan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Belarus
Egypt

What's significant here are that these are all countries sympathetic to Russia. It might well be that they have been quietly told that something major is about to happen, perhaps in something like a couple weeks' time. If India and Turkey were to add themselves to the list, then this interesting plot would thicken further.

[Michel Leclerc]

Well, maybe the leaders of those countries do believe that Russia is able to deliver on its strategy in such a way that it wins, and they want to protect their citizens – whereas the countries of “the West” of course do not believe this is possible and therefore allow their citizens to keep vacationing in Ukraine – following the great example of Zorro Zillionski’s recommendations for his own country’s citizens.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... or, from Jim Stone:

RUMOR: UKRAINE FIRED AN AMERICAN CANNON (http://www.jimstone.is/1/.tj7.html) [that] FIRED [a] NUKE AT RUSSIAN FORCES, IT DID NOT GO OFF, AND RUSSIA FOUND IT QUICKLY.

I have a hunch this is true, Sunday morning all mention of this is gone.

NOT RUMOR: after this rumored event, china ordered a full and immediate evacuation of all chinese people in ukraine.

it's fun to post stuff like that because it is interesting and is probably just rumor true this time.

it does make sense, because a nuke would require an authorization code and if it was launched by idiots, that would be why it did not go off.

Having the whole topic expunged is suspect. Someone worked hard to shut this rumor down. Russia would know the US did not mean to nuke them, at the same time discovering a huge violation, heck, it might have even been a threat.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564788-russia-respond-un-rape-claim/

Russia responds to UN official’s rape claims

Claims made by the UN special representative on sexual violence, Pramila Patten, go “beyond the reach of reason,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a statement on Sunday. Earlier this week, Patten accused Russia of employing a “deliberate” rape “strategy” as part of its military campaign in Ukraine.

“One cannot even comment on P. Patten’s … words in a serious way,” Zakharova said, adding that the UN official’s conclusions were based on data that is difficult to verify, according to Patten herself.

“Once again, what we are seeing is a classic ‘highly likely’ [story], which has this time reached the level of twisted imagination,” Zakharova said. According to her, the UN official made her conclusions based on fragmentary data provided by the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine – a group created in spring 2022 on the basis of a resolution of the UN Human Rights Council. Russia has not recognized its mandate, Zakharova added.

Patten’s claims resemble those made by the former Ukrainian human rights commissioner, Lyudmila Denisova, Zakharova said. Denisova was fired from her position in late May after a no-confidence vote over her failure to perform duties such as organizing humanitarian corridors and prisoner exchanges amid the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Later, Ukrainian media reported that most of Denisova’s allegations regarding “sexual atrocities” committed by Russian soldiers in the country had not been confirmed by Ukrainian prosecutors.

The Foreign Ministry spokeswoman’s reaction was sparked by an interview Patten gave to AFP this week, in which she claimed that sexual violence is a “deliberate tactic” and “military strategy” of Russia, aimed at dehumanizing its “victims.” She also claimed that Russian soldiers are “equipped with Viagra.”

Zakharova pointed out that similar claims have been made by Western officials in the past. In 2011, the US ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, reportedly accused then-Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi of supplying his troops with Viagra to supposedly encourage mass rape during a conflict that broke out following a NATO-backed coup attempt which ended with the brutal murder of Gaddafi.

US military and intelligence officials subsequently told NBC that there was no evidence that the Libyan military was being supplied with Viagra or engaging in systematic rape in “rebel areas.”

“The West is using the same patterns in its hybrid war,” Zakharova said on Sunday, commenting on Patten’s statements.

[iota]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

(bold emphasis mine)

i have to heartily agree with Chester on this ..

and if i could .. would blast it to ALL of humanity the way the tptb indoctrinates helplessness almost from birth

PS Johnny, i KNOW i impact humanity because i am a thread in the fabric of life

we are a COLLECTIVE humanity and AS a thread OF that tapestry?

i count

so do you

the day we have ENOUGH of Chester's and Bill's likemindedness

this REALITY WILL BE transformed to one of power

instead of "woe is me!"

i also know i've impacted because i believe as ACIM teaches:




a Son of God CANNOT think or speak or act in vain

i'm of that class

and THEN i put peddle to the meddle and devoted YEARS to seminars across TX for the explicit purpose OF empowering people

so there are those who think
those who contemplate
and those who act

i do all three

just by OUR BEING, EACH one of us impacts humanity on an ongoing basis

while i'm at it, for Ravenlocke i saw somewhere you apologized for offending those
(likely you thought me included) because of your style

i'm NOT included in that list and i don't think that is what T was saying either

there ARE those here who who presume the right and deem it appropriate to dictate to another adult what their personal Self expression should be!

by complaining and drawing attention to themselves through another

one such infringer used to complain of headaches at reading my posts because it reminded her of channeling

and kept commenting not once, but went on and on

i wondered if she needed attention or had not attained basic problem solving skills?

i didn't get the point! was i expected to stop posting? or change my personal style?

it ended up being a continuous demand, so i finally DID help her out

"you could STOP reading my posts? i promise NOT to be offended (or even notice)"

that is the adult vernacular for "Can you PLEASE leave me alone?"

if something gave ME a headache? i'd surely STOP doing it

not sure how that's complicated ...

as Bill said, the answer was SO simple!

content is fair game, personal style is not

REPEATEDLY following me to comment on my personal Self expression was intrusive, rather rude and an outright infringement ~ crossing a line to be sure!

basically, i had the SAME objection Bill did! it was the SAME case for me ...

AND i came up with SAME solution as Bill ...

what doesn't jive? can simply be skipped

no need to rudely repeatedly offend someone again and again

my comment was simply directed at the fact that there WAS a basis for the questions that T raised .. it wasn't out of the blue

we just witnessed reports of thousands of bot accounts on Twatter and PayPal

in today's environment? it was a legitimate question raised, (i'd wondered myself) that Bill settled definitively

but as far as apology necessary? or explanation needed by you?

NONE at all


the ONLY explanation even needed by you for your posts is:



"the REASON
i do WHAT i do?

is because

i do it"



c'est tout

“conforming to what others WANT?” isn’t actually our job ...

There IS a certain response-ability inherent to us ALL to be authentic in our Self expression

NOT modify it to be "OTHER approved expression!!" (geez!)

if someone thinks otherwise? that would be THEIR issue, not yours

unless you took it on

and i'd strongly advice against taking on what belongs to ANOTHER

as we ALL have enough to contend with the carrying of our OWN burdens i think

which is MY version of Chester's quote

sorry for the interruption and the lack of CLARITY on my part

empowering others IS my life's work. it matters very much to me

in no way would i want to be confused with those that DO seek to infringe on the self expression of another adult or think it ok to follow someone to repeatedly comment on someone else's personal style!



MY message? would be this:




https://i.pinimg.com/736x/16/ae/3b/16ae3bc149bb18d205dd4548ece80bc1--the-inspiration-dont-let.jpg?=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

and this dovetails perfectly to my post

as the the tweet below is of the German government TELLING the Germans

HOW they ought to think

and WHAT they ought to do

as though German people are incapable of thinking and choosing for themselves



https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1580531331699978241


in light of this? it becomes increasingly CLEAR WHY maintaining PERSONAL power

is INTRICATELY tied to and CANNOT be separated from world events

people, have unfortunately, accustomed themselves to being "managed"

habitually tolerating infringements, and acquiescing

THAT? being replayed around the world?

is making WWIII possible

please STOP a moment and CONSIDER

if people WERE empowered on a personal basis?

WWIII could NEVER be proceeding at the uninterrupted pace

and "normalized" manner that it is

if people terminated ALLOWANCE of "infringements" on a personal level

they would NEVER allow COLLECTIVELY on planetary basis

so .. yea ... i'd say reclamation of personal power absolutely has the potential to impact our planet

may it spread far and wide into the hearts and minds of ALL humanity

and terminate this insanity once and for all

:flower:

[Chester]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

Yes, but we are also personally responsible for other humans/animals/sentient beings we have chosen to be personally responsible for.

(And fail. And are forgiven that failing— because we tried.)

We disagree - I have no responsibility for others. I have responsibility to others... but never for others.

If I were to "choose to be personally responsible for another," I am arrogantly robbing them of their own free will.

Well Chester.. maybe it is just semantics and/or my lousy command of English — maybe also we use a word like "responsible" with a personal meaning (what we mean by it when we use it) that differs.. and our “disagreement” is a difference between what we really mean, "personally", when we use the word.

I am talking about relationships between humans/animals/sentient beings that are tinged, characterised, by love, friendship, intimacy, endearment etc. Such relationships are also characterised by mutual responsibility (like when God asked Cain about Abel, and Cain answered "am I my brother’s guardian?", the answer to which question was "yes, you are" (I am paraphrasing this passus without implying any religious adherence to "bible belief")).

Obviously also such very strong relationships can be to some extent conditional (we may fail, as I have written) but the intention is that they are not and proof of such responsibility being honoured when tested is generally a “transcendental” experience of "the power of love".

I guess you may agree with that.

Then my argument would run as follows: is it not true that "responsibility for oneself" only can be that strong (so strong as you – in my opinion – correctly claim it is) if and when it is also a responsibility arising from love? Love for oneself in this case, deriving from the moral obligation to love and guard, and take care of, oneself (body, soul and spirit)? How could responsibility for oneself indeed be less strong than the one arising from love for oneself?

And then – if this is the case, and responsibility for oneself is indeed a sign of loving oneself, how then would love for others than myself (my beloved, my friends, my animals, the greenery surrounding me etc.) not be a full responsibility for them?

(I have to admit that I would never think that my loving another human would rob this human “of their free will”. Robbing is part of not-loving and loving is part of not-robbing (when thinking in set theory terms).)

I appreciate the philosophy as well as the metaphysics of Heraclitus. I find no mention of love in any of his fragments. I do find in a plethora of cases where the word, wisdom is mentioned. Also the word, intelligence. Not one instance of "love." He mentions soul many, many times.

Here's one for you... ponder on this -

"The cosmos works by harmony of tensions, like the lyre and the bow."

another -

"One must realize that war is shared and Conflict is Justice, and that all things come to pass and are ordained in accordance with Conflict."

I'm about two things and two things only, constant improvement with the relationship to my conscience and the constant refinement of the integrity of my soul (integrity in the way it is used to describe the hull of a submarine). I contend that if each of us did just those two things, our collective experience of the world would dramatically transform (for the better).

[Chester]

Well, maybe the leaders of those countries do believe that Russia is able to deliver on its strategy in such a way that it wins, and they want to protect their citizens – whereas the countries of “the West” of course do not believe this is possible and therefore allow their citizens to keep vacationing in Ukraine – following the great example of Zorro Zillionski’s recommendations for his own country’s citizens.

The West wants one thing and one thing only, regime change in Russia. They want Putin out of power and preferably dead. That's the obsession of the West and they think they can make it happen by extending the conflict on and on where eventually Putin is deposed from within.

[Tintin]

And as a reminder, simply replace 'Afghanistan with 'Ukraine' (and any number of a great many others one may think of):

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/status/1581928042020360193
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[Chester]

And as a reminder, simply replace 'Afghanistan with 'Ukraine' (and any number of a great many others one may think of):

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Why do so solely through Ukraine when, once under the thumb of the West, this can be done throughout Russia as well? But also, we are closer and closer to the technological singularity where the model set forth in Brave New World is the goal of the elite. Nothing is a repeat. Everything is a stepping stone that leads to the final goal.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1581996901439655936
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1581998852114042886
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https://www.rt.com/russia/564828-russia-strikes-ukraine-energy/

Moscow comments on striking Ukrainian ‘energy system’

Russian jets and warships have continued to conduct long-range strikes on “military command centers and the energy system of Ukraine,” the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday. Attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure were intensified last week.

“All planned targets have been hit,” the ministry confirmed in a statement.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmigal wrote on his Telegram channel that Russian drones had damaged energy sites in Kiev, while critical infrastructure in the eastern Dnepropetrovsk Region and the northern Sumy Region had also been targeted.

“Hundreds of residential areas have lost power as a result of the attack,” the prime minister wrote. “Officials are working to restore electricity supply.”

Kiev Mayor Vitaly Klitschko, meanwhile, said that a Russian drone had hit an apartment block, killing three people, including a pregnant woman. He added that three people were hospitalized.

READ MORE: Central Kiev hit by kamikaze drones – mayor
Russia has stepped up strikes on Ukrainian energy infrastructure, including thermal power plants and power lines, this month after Moscow accused Kiev of orchestrating a truck bombing that damaged the bridge connecting Crimea with the mainland.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564797-kiev-kamikaze-drone-strikes/

Central Kiev hit by kamikaze drones – mayor

Several explosions rocked central Kiev on Monday morning, Mayor Vitaly Klitschko has confirmed, amid reports of a new wave of Russian drone strikes, across the country.

The news comes a week after Moscow launched a significant attack on Ukraine’s critical energy and military infrastructure.

“An explosion in the Shevchenko district – in the center of the capital,” Klitschko wrote on his Telegram channel at around 7am Monday morning, before reporting another blast in the same area several minutes later. A fire broke out in a non-residential building, and several residential buildings were damaged, he later added.

Witnesses reportedly heard the sound of kamikaze drones in the air, according to Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the interior minister, who said that they targeted critical infrastructure in the area of the central railway station in Kiev.

Several videos circulating on social media claim to show the drones in the skies of Kiev, as well as one of the impact sites.

The mayor later posted a photo of what he said were parts of a drone that was destroyed. One fragment featured the word ‘Geran-2’, the name of a kamikaze drone used by Russian forces.

According to some reports, the Geran-2 is a localized version of the Iranian-made Shahed-136 drone. Neither Moscow nor Tehran has confirmed the shipment of UAVs to Russia. Iran has said in the past that it is neutral with regards to the conflict.

Russian MOD comments on results of strikes in Ukraine
Russian MOD comments on results of strikes in Ukraine
Russian strikes were also reported in other parts of the country. Valentin Reznichenko, the governor of the eastern Dnepropetrovsk Region, said that several houses were damaged when a missile hit an unspecified energy infrastructure site, causing a fire. He added that three missiles were intercepted and destroyed mid-air.

According to the Ukrainian Armed Forces Southern Command, three drones struck industrial sites and a pharmaceutical warehouse in the city of Nikolaev.

Dmitry Zhivitsky, the governor of the northern Sumy Region, said several people were injured after strikes on “critical infrastructure.”

The reported strikes come one week after Russia launched a barrage of missiles and drones that targeted Ukrainian military facilities and infrastructure across the country over two days. The attack came after Moscow accused Kiev of orchestrating a deadly explosion on the strategic Crimean Bridge.

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[url]https://www.rt.com/news/564798-nato-nuclear-exercises-russia/

NATO kicks off nuclear exercises

NATO exercises that seek to improve the alliance’s deterrence capabilities, involving strategic jets that can carry nuclear weapons, will start on Monday, amid heightened tensions with Russia over the Ukraine conflict.

The 'Steadfast Noon' drills will last until October 30 and take place over Belgium, the North Sea, and the UK. NATO has described the exercises as “routine” and “not linked to any current world events,” while insisting that no live weapons will be used.

In total, 14 countries and 60 aircraft of various types will take part in Steadfast Noon. The planes include state-of-the-art fighter jets, surveillance and tanker planes, as well as US B-52 nuclear-capable strategic bombers, which will arrive in Europe from Minot Air Base in North Dakota.

“This exercise helps ensure that the alliance’s nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective,” NATO spokesperson Oana Lungescu noted.

NATO prepares for nuclear drills
NATO prepares for nuclear drills
On Thursday, the Belgian Coalition Against Nuclear Weapons organization urged the military bloc to cancel the drills, stressing that “amidst high nuclear tensions with Russia, it is irresponsible” to engage in these activities.

On Thursday, commenting on the drills, National Security Council coordinator John Kirby said that Steadfast Noon had been planned well before Russia’s military campaign in Ukraine started in late February. He added that the exercises will take place more than 600 miles (1,000 km) from Russia’s borders.

Kirby went on to say that the US expects Russia to conduct its own annual strategic nuclear exercise in the near future. “We anticipate the [Russians’] exercise will span several days,” he stated, adding that Washington believes it will include actions “within the normal bounds,” such as deployment of strategic assets. However, Moscow has yet to announce any drills of this type.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1581970975217709056
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https://tass.com/politics/1523683?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

Israel's intention to supply arms to Ukraine will destroy relations with Russia — Medvedev

Dmitry Medvedev said that Israel might as well recognize Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevich, as its heroes

MOSCOW, October 17. /TASS/. Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Security Council Dmitry Medvedev warned on Monday that it would be a mistake for Israel to supply weapons to Ukraine.

"Israel seems to have decided to supply weapons to the Kiev regime. That would be a very rash decision, for it would damage all the interstate relations between our countries," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel.

He said Israel might as well recognize [Stepan] Bandera and [Roman] Shukhevich, as its heroes. Bandera was the leader of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), and Shukhevich led the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). Both organizations are outlawed in Russia.

On Sunday, Israeli Minister of Diaspora Affairs Nachman Shai said his country should follow the example of the US and its NATO allies and start providing military assistance to Ukraine.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1581986657829806080
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https://sputniknews.com/20221017/donbass-woman-who-had-her-home-blown-up-by-ukrainian-himars-they-are-not-human-1101928026.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Donbass Woman Who Had Her Home Blown Up by Ukrainian HIMARS: 'They Are Not Human’

Reporting on the crisis in Ukraine often focuses on “big picture” narratives and stories on statements made by politicians, arms deliveries, troop maneuvers, and battles. But behind it all are ordinary people who have been caught in the crossfire, and they also have stories to tell. This is one of them.

Sputnik’s own Wyatt Reed is in Donbass covering the situation on the ground in the besieged Russian territory, which in the past seven months has faced shelling attacks and fighting of a scale and intensity unseen since the beginning of the conflict in 2014.
In Rubezhnoye, a small city in the Lugansk People’s Republic near the front line which has taken heavy damage in fighting, Sputnik's correspondents met Natalia Petrovna, a local pensioner. Her home took heavy damage in a Ukrainian artillery attack using what appears to be a US-supplied HIMARS missile, leaving her injured.
“Who [caused] these craters?” Sputnik asked the 68-year-old as she sat on a bench outside her ruined nine-story apartment bloc. “Those cursed fascists,” she answered. “Were you here when they fired?” we asked. “Yes, I live here on the first floor,” the woman said.

“They are beasts, they are beasts. They are not human. They have nothing human in them,” she added, describing the Ukrainian forces who destroyed her home.
“What was it like when they landed?” Sputnik inquired. Tearing up, Natalia Petrovna explained that she suffered an injury to her leg from a huge blast, and that she is now the only person left living in her section of the apartment building.
“What’s so upsetting? Is it the rockets that are upsetting?” the correspondent pressed, with the low, rumbling sound of artillery fire heard somewhere in the distance. “Yes,” the woman answered. “I was left alone here. There is no one to help me.”
Natalia Petrovna said she had nowhere to go, and no money to buy anything because she’s lost her passport, which means she can’t receive her pension.
The Sputnik correspondents promised to help, and got in touch with a local volunteer group, who jotted down the pensioner’s information and address.

‘Guys, You Can’t Do This’
“We help ordinary people with a minimal basket of goods that can save a person’s life during this difficult time,” a burly 40-something-year old volunteer in a bright red cap with a medical cross on it told Sputnik as the correspondents traveled to Natalia Petrovna’s home after buying some food.
“What do you think of the Ukrainians threatening people who take humanitarian aid?” Sputnik asked the man. “We heard about that, yes, we’ve even seen video from Kiev where people were put in trenches and shot in the back,” the man said. “There are nationalist battalions which do this, yes. Guys, you can’t do this. We’re all people – Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians,” the volunteer said, shaking his head.
Upon arriving at Natalia Petrovna’s apartment, the volunteer asked if she could find a birth certificate, a passport, pension papers – any ID that could help volunteers register her for assistance.

Volunteer speaks to Wyatt Reed and his translator as they head to Natalia Petrovna's home to bring her some food supplies.
© Photo : Wyatt Reed
Could You Imagine This is How You Would Be in 40 Years?
Getting to know the woman, Sputnik found out that she is a mother of three –two sons and a daughter. One son died in a mining accident, she doesn’t know where the other is, and her daughter lives somewhere in Kiev, she thinks. Natalia Petrovna has no way of contacting her daughter and doesn’t know where she is. The pensioner’s husband died a long time ago. Natalia used to work as a postwoman, but now has difficulty walking.
Asked why she chooses to stay in her heavily damaged apartment – whose windows have been blown out and doors knocked down, instead of going to stay in a hostel, Natalia Petrovna fears that if she leaves, whatever little she has left will be stolen by marauders. She recalled that one time, Ukrainian soldiers went into her home and took some clothing.

Damage to Natalia Petrovna's home following Ukrainian artillery strike.
© Sputnik / Wyatt Reed
“What would you say to the Americans who’ve blown up your home?” Sputnik asked toward the close of the conversation, referring to the US-supplied weaponry being delivered to Kiev. “That they’re beasts, that’s it. They have no heart,” the woman said.
Pointing to an old, faded portrait of Natalia Petrovna as a young woman hanging on the wall of her flat, Sputnik asked if she could “imagine when that picture was taken if this is how she would be in 40 years.”
“No. No,” the woman said, tearing up again.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Michel Leclerc]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

Yes, but we are also personally responsible for other humans/animals/sentient beings we have chosen to be personally responsible for.

(And fail. And are forgiven that failing— because we tried.)

We disagree - I have no responsibility for others. I have responsibility to others... but never for others.

If I were to "choose to be personally responsible for another," I am arrogantly robbing them of their own free will.

Well Chester.. maybe it is just semantics and/or my lousy command of English — maybe also we use a word like "responsible" with a personal meaning (what we mean by it when we use it) that differs.. and our “disagreement” is a difference between what we really mean, "personally", when we use the word.

I am talking about relationships between humans/animals/sentient beings that are tinged, characterised, by love, friendship, intimacy, endearment etc. Such relationships are also characterised by mutual responsibility (like when God asked Cain about Abel, and Cain answered "am I my brother’s guardian?", the answer to which question was "yes, you are" (I am paraphrasing this passus without implying any religious adherence to "bible belief")).

Obviously also such very strong relationships can be to some extent conditional (we may fail, as I have written) but the intention is that they are not and proof of such responsibility being honoured when tested is generally a “transcendental” experience of "the power of love".

I guess you may agree with that.

Then my argument would run as follows: is it not true that "responsibility for oneself" only can be that strong (so strong as you – in my opinion – correctly claim it is) if and when it is also a responsibility arising from love? Love for oneself in this case, deriving from the moral obligation to love and guard, and take care of, oneself (body, soul and spirit)? How could responsibility for oneself indeed be less strong than the one arising from love for oneself?

And then – if this is the case, and responsibility for oneself is indeed a sign of loving oneself, how then would love for others than myself (my beloved, my friends, my animals, the greenery surrounding me etc.) not be a full responsibility for them?

(I have to admit that I would never think that my loving another human would rob this human “of their free will”. Robbing is part of not-loving and loving is part of not-robbing (when thinking in set theory terms).)

I appreciate the philosophy as well as the metaphysics of Heraclitus. I find no mention of love in any of his fragments. I do find in a plethora of cases where the word, wisdom is mentioned. Also the word, intelligence. Not one instance of "love." He mentions soul many, many times.

Here's one for you... ponder on this -

"The cosmos works by harmony of tensions, like the lyre and the bow."

another -

"One must realize that war is shared and Conflict is Justice, and that all things come to pass and are ordained in accordance with Conflict."

I'm about two things and two things only, constant improvement with the relationship to my conscience and the constant refinement of the integrity of my soul (integrity in the way it is used to describe the hull of a submarine). I contend that if each of us did just those two things, our collective experience of the world would dramatically transform (for the better).

Heraclitus — yes, Chester. Highly interesting and important, I have read him, thank you. (It is useful to read him with the Greek at hand.. all those Presocratics are notoriouly difficult to grasp purely from the language point of view, you know that I suppose, and then “translations” are mostly heavily biased.. without explicitating their bias.. but ok, I do admire Heraclitus .. I am basically “Socratic” in my understanding of reality and hence and/or Platonic… in which and whose synthesis (emphasising the idea of love) also Parmenides is subsumed as well as Empedocles whom I admire most (which explains my reference to animals and other sentient beings)).. I guess our thinking reference frameworks are at variance.. That is very much ok of course..

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[Michel Leclerc]

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Israel's intention to supply arms to Ukraine will destroy relations with Russia — Medvedev

Dmitry Medvedev said that Israel might as well recognize Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevich, as its heroes

MOSCOW, October 17. /TASS/. Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Security Council Dmitry Medvedev warned on Monday that it would be a mistake for Israel to supply weapons to Ukraine.

"Israel seems to have decided to supply weapons to the Kiev regime. That would be a very rash decision, for it would damage all the interstate relations between our countries," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel.

He said Israel might as well recognize [Stepan] Bandera and [Roman] Shukhevich, as its heroes. Bandera was the leader of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), and Shukhevich led the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). Both organizations are outlawed in Russia.

On Sunday, Israeli Minister of Diaspora Affairs Nachman Shai said his country should follow the example of the US and its NATO allies and start providing military assistance to Ukraine.

Maybe not so surprising, given that the Israeli regime has, in the whole “poison injection crisis” shown an almost Banderist zeal in the treatment of its own population.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564840-belarus-russian-troops-numbers/

Belarus reveals details of Russian forces in the country
Thousands of Russian troops will be arriving in Belarus with some 170 tanks, up to 200 armored vehicles, and up to 100 artillery pieces, Valery Revenko, an aide to the Belarussian defense minister, said on Twitter on Monday. The troops will be hosted as part of the recently created joint military force.

Earlier in the day, the Defense Ministry reported that Revenko had briefed 19 military diplomats on how the new joint force would operate. The official, who heads the foreign affairs department in the ministry, stated on Twitter that he had given the same details about the Russian forces to the foreign representatives.

Minsk decided to bolster its security by hosting Russian troops after its attempts to de-escalate border tensions were rejected, Revenko claimed to have told the military attaches.

Russia and Belarus perceive as threats the “deployment of NATO forces near [their] borders amid a lack of dialogue, increased NATO training with a focus on offensive action, [and] the encouragement of Belarussian radical elements to topple the legitimate government of Belarus,” he said.

Belarus is a long-time ally of Russia, with the two together forming what is called the Union State. The new defense force, the creation of which Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko announced last week, will operate under its auspices. Minsk cited increased aggression from Kiev and Western nations as the reason for agreeing to have more Russian troops on its soil.

Belarus on high terrorist alert READ MORE: Belarus on high terrorist alert
The first trains with Russian soldiers and military vehicles started arriving in Belarus on Saturday, according to the latter nation’s Defense Ministry. On Sunday, Russian warplanes started redeploying to the country, the ministry told local media.

Minsk has allowed Russia to use its territory to launch offensives against Ukraine, but said it did not contribute its own troops to the operation. Hostilities in the neighboring nation escalated as Western nations poured arms and resources to prop up the Ukrainian military. Belarus claims that the threat posed to its safety by both Kiev and NATO members such as Poland has grown.

Last Friday, Belarussian Foreign Minister Vladimir Makei reported that his nation had put its troops and special services on high alert due to what he described as a terrorist threat. Earlier in the week, Lukashenko ordered a full-scale check of the readiness of the national armed forces.

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[Chester]

Each individual is personally responsible for themselves. You are 100% right. :thumbsup:

Yes, but we are also personally responsible for other humans/animals/sentient beings we have chosen to be personally responsible for.

(And fail. And are forgiven that failing— because we tried.)

We disagree - I have no responsibility for others. I have responsibility to others... but never for others.

If I were to "choose to be personally responsible for another," I am arrogantly robbing them of their own free will.

Well Chester.. maybe it is just semantics and/or my lousy command of English — maybe also we use a word like "responsible" with a personal meaning (what we mean by it when we use it) that differs.. and our “disagreement” is a difference between what we really mean, "personally", when we use the word.

I am talking about relationships between humans/animals/sentient beings that are tinged, characterised, by love, friendship, intimacy, endearment etc. Such relationships are also characterised by mutual responsibility (like when God asked Cain about Abel, and Cain answered "am I my brother’s guardian?", the answer to which question was "yes, you are" (I am paraphrasing this passus without implying any religious adherence to "bible belief")).

Obviously also such very strong relationships can be to some extent conditional (we may fail, as I have written) but the intention is that they are not and proof of such responsibility being honoured when tested is generally a “transcendental” experience of "the power of love".

I guess you may agree with that.

Then my argument would run as follows: is it not true that "responsibility for oneself" only can be that strong (so strong as you – in my opinion – correctly claim it is) if and when it is also a responsibility arising from love? Love for oneself in this case, deriving from the moral obligation to love and guard, and take care of, oneself (body, soul and spirit)? How could responsibility for oneself indeed be less strong than the one arising from love for oneself?

And then – if this is the case, and responsibility for oneself is indeed a sign of loving oneself, how then would love for others than myself (my beloved, my friends, my animals, the greenery surrounding me etc.) not be a full responsibility for them?

(I have to admit that I would never think that my loving another human would rob this human “of their free will”. Robbing is part of not-loving and loving is part of not-robbing (when thinking in set theory terms).)

I appreciate the philosophy as well as the metaphysics of Heraclitus. I find no mention of love in any of his fragments. I do find in a plethora of cases where the word, wisdom is mentioned. Also the word, intelligence. Not one instance of "love." He mentions soul many, many times.

Here's one for you... ponder on this -

"The cosmos works by harmony of tensions, like the lyre and the bow."

another -

"One must realize that war is shared and Conflict is Justice, and that all things come to pass and are ordained in accordance with Conflict."

I'm about two things and two things only, constant improvement with the relationship to my conscience and the constant refinement of the integrity of my soul (integrity in the way it is used to describe the hull of a submarine). I contend that if each of us did just those two things, our collective experience of the world would dramatically transform (for the better).

Heraclitus — yes, Chester. Highly interesting and important, I have read him, thank you. (It is useful to read him with the Greek at hand.. all those Presocratics are notoriouly difficult to grasp purely from the language point of view, you know that I suppose, and then “translations” are mostly heavily biased.. without explicitating their bias.. but ok, I do admire Heracltus .. I am basically “Socratic” in my understanding of reality and hence and/or Platonic… in which and whose synthesis (emphasising the idea of love) also Parmenides is subsumed as well as Empedocles whom I admire most (which explains my reference to animals and other sentient beings)).. I guess our thinking reference frameworks are at variance.. That is very much ok of course..

Correct to have the Greek at hand as the word I had for "Conflict" is better translated as "strife" IMO.

I also suspect we share a significant common ground in the deeper regions.

I have an affinity for Thelema, thus I hold an affinity for the three Codes of Conduct, one of which the word, love is mentioned twice.

"Love is the law, love under will." As stated in the Introduction to AL - Thelema is the Greek word for Will, and has the same numerical value as Agape, the Greek word for Love. I don't believe in coincidences.

Apologies I strayed in this thread so back to the strife!

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[Michel Leclerc]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564788-russia-respond-un-rape-claim/
“The West is using the same patterns in its hybrid war,” Zakharova said on Sunday, commenting on Patten’s statements.

I find it comforting that the troops of the “enemies” of the West need Viagra for erection sustainment when killing and maiming people while needing none for loving intercourse — as opposed to the troops of the “friends” of the West who need Viagra for sustaining their erection when loving their partner whereas needing none to keep their sexual organ erect when they rape and torture.

[Michel Leclerc]

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Correct to have the Greek at hand as the word I had for "Conflict" is better translated as "strife" IMO.

I also suspect we share a significant common ground in the deeper regions.

I have an affinity for Thelema, thus I hold an affinity for the three Codes of Conduct, one of which the word, love is mentioned twice.

"Love is the law, love under will." As stated in the Introduction to AL - Thelema is the Greek word for Will, and has the same numerical value as Agape, the Greek word for Love. I don't believe in coincidences.

Apologies I strayed in this thread so back to the strife!

Yes! “Strife” is the word. More in line with two great Heraclitians among modern philosophers, Nietzsche and Heidegger.

Count me among the Thelemists (if the Thelemist Maximus is properly understood at least, not as is fashionable these days).

Thank you for the gematria equality of Thelema and Agape! The split between AMOR and CARITAS (or EROS and AGAPE), which has bedevilled Christianity at the latest since Augustine – also haunting Islam (NAFS and RUH) and in spite of many developments in the other direction "Hinduism” (the condescending accents in the Bhagavad Gita) is one of the root causes of what we are experiencing. We have to "will" our love for creation (Spinoza’s Deus=Natura (equalling Dea=Naturus)) and not our "spiriting” ourselves away from it by means of a “rapture” or otherwise. (This will-to-love being both Nietzschean and Heideggerian.) For Jesus, the "take this cup from me" was a temptation (to which he did not succumb): the incarnation of the divine he was did test his love until the deepest layers of pain, sadness and confusion. (Many saints show stigmata.)

I agree that to this exchange another thread would be better suited, and yet, the distortion of the meaning of key words and concepts ("willed" by the Resetters) is something we need to keep fighting incessantly in order to preserve the healing quality of our clarity, empathy and intimacy.

[Vicus]

Central Kiev hit by kamikaze drones – mayor
The latest strikes in the Ukrainian capital reportedly targeted “critical infrastructure”

Several explosions rocked central Kiev on Monday morning, Mayor Vitaly Klitschko has confirmed, amid reports of a new wave of Russian drone strikes, across the country.

The news comes a week after Moscow launched a significant attack on Ukraine’s critical energy and military infrastructure.

“An explosion in the Shevchenko district – in the center of the capital,” Klitschko wrote on his Telegram channel at around 7am Monday morning, before reporting another blast in the same area several minutes later. A fire broke out in a non-residential building, and several residential buildings were damaged, he later added.

Witnesses reportedly heard the sound of kamikaze drones in the air, according to Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the interior minister, who said that they targeted critical infrastructure in the area of the central railway station in Kiev.

Several videos circulating on social media claim to show the drones in the skies of Kiev, as well as one of the impact sites.

Russian strikes were also reported in other parts of the country. Valentin Reznichenko, the governor of the eastern Dnepropetrovsk Region, said that several houses were damaged when a missile hit an unspecified energy infrastructure site, causing a fire. He added that three missiles were intercepted and destroyed mid-air.

According to the Ukrainian Armed Forces Southern Command, three drones struck industrial sites and a pharmaceutical warehouse in the city of Nikolaev.

Dmitry Zhivitsky, the governor of the northern Sumy Region, said several people were injured after strikes on “critical infrastructure.”

https://www.rt.com/russia/564797-kiev-kamikaze-drone-strikes/

[loungelizard]

The Zionists are the enemy. Judaic Freemasonry world wide.

Your assertion stirs very dark echoes from the past. You may not realise it, but you're parroting the words of the Nazis in the 1930/40s; they also labelled Jews as the war-mongers, claiming that ‘international Jewry’ was the evil behind Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt - and thus, they needed to be eliminated.

Nazi propaganda claimed that the Jews were responsible for WW2 and we all know where that lead.

Goebbels wrote: "The historical guilt of world Jewry for the outbreak and expansion of this war has been so extensively demonstrated that there is no need to waste any more words on it. The Jews wanted their war, and now they have it ... At present we are experiencing the realisation of this prophecy and so the Jews are meeting with a fate that may be harsh but is also more than deserved. In this case pity or regret is completely inappropriate. In unleashing this war, world Jewry completely misjudged the forces at its disposal. Now it is suffering a gradual process of extermination that it had intended for us and that it would have unleashed against us without hesitation if it had the power to do so…Owing to their birth and race, all Jews belong to an international conspiracy against National Socialist Germany. They wish for its defeat and annihilation and do everything in their power to help to bring it about."



Russia has been defending itself since the betrayal of allies during the second world war.

What betrayal are you thinking of here? :confused:


Russia's history over the last thousand years has been rich in conflict including conflict with the Judaic Kharzarians who are behind this one..

Could you explain how you arrived at the conclusion that Jews are behind this war?

[Snoweagle]

No!
I will not do your research for you on such a well documented topic. There are ample resources here at Avalon to start you off.

You were quite able to dig out one quote, then find others in relation to the turn of events recently and through the last 100 or 1000 years. Compile your evidences, do your diligence.

It is immense and intensive subject. Enjoy your journey. Be sure to create a thread and post your findings at Avalon.

We are days away from a potential nuclear event, this should focus your mind.

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https://www.rt.com/news/564878-blinken-world-rules-technology/

Blinken explains goal of US dominance
The US must be the nation that sets global rules to make sure that American interests and values are supported, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said.

Speaking to the press at Stanford University in California on Monday, the top US diplomat explained how technology was the key to political power, impacting the economy and the military.

Americans “have to be the ones who are at the table who are helping to shape the rules, the norms, the standards by which technology is used,” he said.

“If we’re not, if the United States isn’t there, then someone else will be, and these rules are going to get shaped in ways that don’t reflect our values and don’t reflect our interests,” Blinken explained.

The other option is that there is nobody setting the rules, and “we’re going to have chaos before we have a world that’s actually organized to try to take advantage of all of the progress that we’re making.”

What is this ‘rules-based international order’ that Western elites keep talking about?
What is this ‘rules-based international order’ that Western elites keep talking about?
The administration of US President Joe Biden has repeatedly argued that core American interests require it to impose and defend what it terms a “rules-based order” on the world.

Critics of Washington, such as Russian President Vladimir Putin, say the expression describes American hegemony, under which Washington can make or break any rules as it pleases.

The Russian leader has addressed the US-centric order on many occasions, including during a keynote speech in late September, after he signed treaties with four former Ukrainian regions, which paved the way towards integrating them with Russia.

According to Putin, Washington protects its “neocolonialist” position because it allows the US to extract a “hegemon’s rent” from the entire world, to plunder it thanks to “the domination of the dollar and technology.”

READ MORE: Russia reacts to Azov neo-Nazi’s platform at prestigious US university
The US government seeks to undermine any alternative centers of power, be they sovereign nations like Russia and China or international organizations like the UN, Putin added. He predicted that the fall of US hegemony would inevitably happen.

[Ravenlocke]

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564526-bolton-russia-regime-change/

John Bolton’s Russia regime-change fantasy has little basis in reality

Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer and author of 'Disarmament in the Time of Perestroika: Arms Control and the End of the Soviet Union.' He served in the Soviet Union as an inspector implementing the INF Treaty, in General Schwarzkopf’s staff during the Gulf War, and from 1991-1998 as a UN weapons inspector.
John Bolton, the former National Security Advisor for President Donald Trump, recently published an article titled ‘Putin must go: Now is the time for regime change in Russia.’

One must keep in mind that these words come from a man who famously commented, while speaking in February 1994 at an event in New York called the ‘Global Structures Convocation,’ that the “Secretariat building in New York has 38 stories. If it lost ten stories, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference.”

Bolton lambasts the fact that, according to the White House, President Joe Biden wasn’t really serious about regime change in Russia when, during remarks made in Poland last March, he blurted out “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.” As I’ve said before, I believe Biden was, in fact, dead serious about his desire for regime change in Russia, and that it has been, and continues to be, the unstated policy of the United States to remove Vladimir Putin from office. And Washington is actively implementing policies designed to achieve that very result.

US should work for 'regime change' in Russia – John Bolton
US should work for 'regime change' in Russia – John Bolton
What separates Bolton from the Biden White House is the honesty that is produced by being outside the halls of power, as Bolton is today, where your words no longer resonate with relevance. Bolton is free to give voice to that which the Biden administration only whispers about in the dark recesses of the White House situation room.

How else would one describe the goals and objectives of a policy build on the massive sanctioning of the Russian people – designed to destroy their quality of life and means of support – in an effort to generate a level of domestic political unrest sufficient to fomenting a modern day ‘Moscow Maidan,’ reminiscent of the February 2014 events in Kiev that resulted in the ouster of former Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovich?

Bolton himself alludes to this possibility in his article. “There is no long-term prospect for peace and security in Europe without regime change in Russia,” he writes. “Russians are already discussing it; quietly, for obvious reasons.”

The notion that Putin is vulnerable to being ousted by a popular uprising flies in the face of reality, given Russian opinion polling. Even from western-linked sources.

Putin a ‘rational actor’ – Biden
Putin a ‘rational actor’ – Biden
Fact-based analysis, however, is not something Bolton is known for. One need only run down the litany of regurgitated points he cites to hammer his idea home – Russian casualties, economic ‘pain’ brought on by sanctions, ‘rising’ political opposition, young men 'fleeing' the country, the rhetorical ‘brandishing’ of nuclear weapons by Moscow, and, to top it off, he alleges Russian sabotage of the NordStream pipelines.

Bolton’s mission is not to tell the truth about Russia but rather to shape perception for the purpose of manufacturing a false narrative. The perception of the existence of a viable domestic political opposition is essential to the regime-change fantasy being promulgated by Bolton. “Carefully assisting Russian dissidents to pursue regime change might just be the answer,” Bolton opines, responding to the question of how to bring about an end to the Ukraine conflict.

Regime change, Bolton notes, “must involve far more than simply replacing Putin,” adding that “[among Putin’s] inner circle, several potential successors would be worse.” The problem, Bolton states, “is not one man, but the collective leadership constructed over the last two decades. No civilian governmental structure exists to effect change, not even a Politburo like the one that retired Nikita Khrushchev after the Cuban missile crisis. The whole regime must go.”

How to accomplish such a massive undertaking? Here Bolton seems to have been an avid reader of Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the exiled oligarch-turned-political activist, who in his new book The Russia Conundrum writes extensively about the so-called “Men of Power,” or Siloviki. “The key,” Bolton states, “is for Russians themselves to exacerbate divisions among those with real authority, the siloviki, the ‘men of power.’ Disagreements and animosities already exist, as in all authoritarian regimes, exploitable as dissidents set their minds to it.” By using the siloviki to shatter regime coherence and solidarity, Bolton declares, “change is possible.”

What “change” does Bolton propose? A military coup, of course, conducted not “from the top flag officers and officials, who are too personally invested in the Putin regime,” but rather “from the colonels and one-star generals, and their civilian-agency equivalents” who are, in Bolton’s view, “the most-likely co-conspirators to take matters into their own hands. These are the decision-makers whom the dissidents must identify, persuade and support to facilitate regime change.”

Ukraine ‘angered’ US with Moscow car bombing – Politico
Ukraine ‘angered’ US with Moscow car bombing – Politico
Fortunately for Putin, Bolton isn’t very good at carrying out regime-change operations, although he has publicly bragged about his role in implementing them as official US government policy. Coups, Bolton told CNN’s Jake Tapper during an interview in July 2022, “take a lot of work.” Bolton bragged about his status as “somebody who has helped plan coups d’etat.”

By way of example, Bolton referred to efforts undertaken by the Trump administration to support Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido in his effort to overthrow President Nicolas Maduro. “Not that we had all that much to do with it, but I saw what it took for an opposition to try to overturn an illegally elected president,” Bolton bragged, before adding, “and they failed.”

It speaks volumes about the mental state of an individual who, uninvited, seeks to impose himself on one of the most important issues of our time–the geopolitical struggle between the collective West and Russia over the future European security framework–by promulgating a template of regime change in Russia drawn from the disastrous example of a failed US-backed coup in Venezuela.

The good news is that any such effort undertaken by the US government in Russia is guaranteed to suffer the same fate as the Bolton-inspired coup in Venezuela—abject failure.

The bad news is that the world has to suffer through the incoherent ramblings of a neoconservative warmonger who had been put out to pasture but, because of the vacuum of coherence that is US policy on Russia, saw an opportunity to reinject his flawed thinking into the cacophony of opinions that comprises what passes for informed foreign-policy discussion in America today.

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/564870-jet-crash-death-toll/

Over a dozen deaths confirmed after warplane crash

The death toll in the fighter jet crash in the southern Russian city of Yeysk has climbed to 14. Aleksey Kuznetsov, an aide to Russia's health minister, revealed on Tuesday morning that 13 people had died in the incident, while one more victim was subsequently confirmed.

The plane fell from the sky on Monday evening after one of its engines caught fire during a training flight, the Defense Ministry said.

Both pilots safely ejected, but the aircraft crashed just outside a nine-story building and exploded.

Kuznetsov said that three children are among the victims, adding that 19 people were hospitalized.

The emergency services said 68 people were rescued from the rubble, and 360 were evacuated.

READ MORE: Apartment building ablaze after Russian military plane crash (VIDEOS)
The authorities cordoned off the crash site, and canceled lessons at a nearby school. Overall, 72 apartments were damaged.

A criminal investigation has been launched following the disaster. The Russian Investigative Committee said on Tuesday that a mid-flight malfunction of the aircraft is believed to be the reason for the crash.

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Russian military confirms major prisoner exchange with Ukraine

A total of 110 Russians have returned home from Ukraine as part of a major prisoner exchange with Kiev, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday. The group included 72 civilian sailors who had been held in Ukraine since February 2022, it added.

In exchange, Moscow released 108 female soldiers to Ukraine. Two women slated for the exchange turned down the offer and said they would like to stay in Russia, the ministry said. All of the Russians who returned home would receive all the necessary medical and psychological assistance, it added.

Kiev also confirmed what it called “another large-scale” exchange. Earlier on Monday, the head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, announced the swap on social media. The exchange would have involved some 30 soldiers from various parts of Russia, including the DPR and the neighboring Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), along with the civilian sailors, he said at that time.

Kiev detained dozens of Russian civilians who had been in boats that stopped at Ukrainian ports in late February, when Moscow launched its military operation. Some of them were freed after Russian troops captured the port city of Mariupol, but many others remained in Ukrainian custody.

Russia swaps prisoners with Ukraine
Russia swaps prisoners with Ukraine
According to the Russian Defense Ministry, Russian Commissioner for Human Rights Tatyana Moskalkova was directly involved in facilitating the exchange. Last week, she said that 65 sailors could be set free soon, and that talks over their release were in the final stage.

Last Thursday, the two sides exchanged 20 Russian soldiers for an equal number of Ukrainian troops, according to officials from both nations. Moscow and Kiev have repeatedly swapped prisoners since the start of the conflict between the two neighbors in late February.

The last major exchange took place in late September, when 55 Russian soldiers, including those from Donbass, were freed. Kiev also released Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk as part of the swap. The Ukrainian authorities charged Medvedchuk with treason last year and banned his party, Opposition Platform – For Life, after Moscow launched its military operation in Ukraine.

According to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, 215 Ukrainian soldiers were returned to their home country in the swap. Those included more than 100 members of the Azov Battalion, within the ranks of which fighters openly embrace neo-Nazi views.

[Ravenlocke]

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Su-34 crash in Yeysk was due to flight rule violations — Investigative Committee

It is reported that the plane’s technical malfunction is the main line of inquiry

MOSCOW, October 18. /TASS/. The Investigative Committee has qualified Monday’s plane crash in Yeysk as a result of violations of rules of flights or preparations for them.

"The Main Military Investigative Directorate of Russia’s Investigative Committee continues the investigation of a criminal case opened under article 351 of the Criminal Code (violation of rules of flights or preparation for them) over the crash of a Sukhoi-34 plane in Yeysk," the IC’s press-service said in a news release.

The investigation has taken for analysis samples of fuel at the airdrome of departure, as well as the necessary documentation.

"Pilots who managed to eject themselves, as well as airfield personnel, are being questioned. Flight recorders have already been recovered from the crash site for examination," the IC said.

The plane’s technical malfunction is the main line of inquiry.

On the evening of October 17, a Su-34 bomber crashed in a residential area of Yeysk. According to the Defense Ministry, one of the engines caught fire during takeoff. The burning fuel spill spread to a nine-storey apartment building. As a result of the emergency, 13 people, including 3 children, died, and another 19 were taken to the hospital with various injuries.

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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/10/three-good-pieces-on-the-war-in-ukraine.html

Three Good Pieces On The War In Ukraine
October 17, 2022

I am busy with renovation work but here are three good pieces about the war in Ukraine:

A war Russia set to win - MK Bhadrakumar / Tribune India
> Plainly put, the Europeans have been nicely played by the Americans. India should take note of the US’ sense of entitlement. Basically, the Biden administration created a contrived energy crisis whose real aim is war profiteering.
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India should expect the defeat of the US and NATO, which completes the transition to a multipolar world order. <
Why the US must press for a ceasefire in Ukraine - Jack F. Matlock Jr. / Responsible Statecraft
> Increasingly, European publics are likely to blame the United States for policies that fuel inflation and bring on economic recession, especially as their currencies weaken against the dollar. The U.S. sanctions on Russia will be seen by many as self-serving attempts to dominate Western Europe.
A new iron curtain is now being imposed on Russia — this time by Western policy — even as the United States announces more measures to confront and “contain” an assertive China. This will result, inevitably, in more cooperation between Russia and China. Also, the increasing use of economic sanctions to achieve political purposes will encounter push-back with a greater volume of international trade conducted in national currencies other than the U.S. dollar.

As Europe is weakened and more countries suffer from U.S. sanctions, coalitions to resist U.S. dominance will flourish. Geopolitical competition will take precedence over action to deal with common problems, even as international conflict intensifies them.

What all the parties to the conflict in Ukraine seem to have forgotten is that the future of mankind will not be determined by where international borders are drawn — these have never been static in history and doubtless will continue to change from time to time. The future of mankind will be determined by whether nations learn to settle their differences peacefully. <

The Neocons and the Woke Left Are Joining Hands and Leading Us to Woke War III | Opinion - David Sacks / Newsweek
> What makes the "I stand with Ukraine" version of the Twitter mob unique is that it brings together two forces that used to be sworn enemies of one another—the woke Left and the neoconservative Right. It turns out they share many of the same loathsome ideological and personality traits, and have a similar "slash and burn" approach to political engagement. It's a new political marriage.
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This shift is disorienting, but on a purely tactical level, it makes a certain amount of sense. Neocons invented the cancellation game before there was even a Twitter board on which to play it. Neocons arrogantly dismiss the other side's point of view as argued in bad faith and not worth considering, and label anyone who dares question the cause as a heretic or traitor.
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Warping the debate in this way allows delusional and contradictory thinking to go unchallenged. Thus, we get the argument that Putin is a madman who will kill indiscriminately to achieve his aims—but he is also somehow definitely bluffing about using nuclear weapons. And he's only using that bluff because he's losing the war—but if he's not stopped in Ukraine, he will go on to conquer the rest of Europe. Putin's regime must fall because he has killed or jailed all the liberal reformers and yoked himself to a hardline Far Right, but somehow he will be replaced by a liberal reformer when his regime collapses.
It's nonsensical, and a real debate would expose some of the delusions in this thinking. But we aren't allowed to have one.

As long as this woke-neocon alliance is allowed to set the terms of the debate, we will continue to see a one-way ratchet toward greater and more dangerous escalation of this conflict. <

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RWA live with Gonzalo Lira now

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1582356190863929349

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[loungelizard]

No!
I will not do your research for you on such a well documented topic. There are ample resources here at Avalon to start you off.

You were quite able to dig out one quote, then find others in relation to the turn of events recently and through the last 100 or 1000 years. Compile your evidences, do your diligence.

It is immense and intensive subject. Enjoy your journey. Be sure to create a thread and post your findings at Avalon.

We are days away from a potential nuclear event, this should focus your mind.


Why so unhelpful? It would only take a couple minutes of your time to explain your assertions. The burden of proof is on you - it’s not my responsibility to research or validate your claims.

Oh, and if we were 'days away from a potential nuclear event', do you really think that would be a good use of my remaining time? :rolleyes:

[Bill Ryan]

We are days away from a potential nuclear eventI just wanted to gently step in here and offer my VERY strong opinion that this is not the case, despite a great deal of western media fearmongering and provocative White House saber-rattling.

I felt I should share my view in case others reading this may be feeling anxious — about something they would be powerless to do anything about. That kind of situation always adds to the worry. There are many things to be concerned about in the world right now, which one CAN mitigate proactively, at least to some extent. Taking action against potential problems, where it's possible, is always the best remedy.

There's not going to be a nuclear war.

:grouphug:

[Ravenlocke]

The Duran live now with Robert Barnes
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[Vicus]

NATO Starts Nuclear Drill "Steadfast Noon" with 60 aircraft, B-52 bombers and other missile carriers

NATO on Monday launched its regular nuclear deterrence drills in western Europe.

The 30-nation alliance has stressed that the “routine, recurring training activity” -- which runs until October 30 -- was planned before Moscow invaded Ukraine and is not linked to the current situation.

It will involve US B-52 long-range bombers, and up to 60 aircraft in total will take part in training flights over Belgium, the United Kingdom and the North Sea.

The nuclear drills - which do not involve live bombs - are taking place amid heightened tensions after Russia repeatedly threatened nuclear strikes in Ukraine following major military setbacks on the battlefield there.

“Steadfast Noon” is likely to coincide with Moscow’s own annual nuclear drills, dubbed “Grom,” which are normally conducted in late October and in which Russia tests its nuclear-capable bombers, submarines and missiles.

The drills that will involve 14 countries and up to 60 aircraft, including the most advanced fighter jets on the market and U.S. B-52 long-range bombers that will fly in from Minot Air Base in North Dakota, the statement said.

This drill takes place every year, like Russia does, but always over different countries and locations. This time it involves locations & training flights to be conducted over Belgium, Great Britain and the North Sea.


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[norman]

Monkey Werx US Is watching as much air traffic as he can see data for.

Poland is being packed with troops and supplies, and something happened off the coast of Malta a few days ago that might have been a destroyed submarine. He watched intense sub hunter activity there in his earlier video and Dutchsinse ( the guy who watches earthquakes ) contacted him to say there was an unusual 'earthquake' there.

SITREP 10.17.22 - Global Recon

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[Vicus]

Russia's Medvedev Gets Blunt with Israel

Russia's Deputy Chairman of its state Federation Council (Senate) had strong words for Israel about supplying weapons to Ukraine . . .

Dmitry Medvedev doesn't post a lot on his social media (Telegram) account, but when he does . . . Oh Boy!

Writing on his channel Monday, Medvedev put it blunty:

"Israel seems to be going to supply weapons to the Kyiv regime. A very reckless move.

It will destroy all interstate relations between our countries.

I'm not talking about the fact that the Bandera geeks were Nazis, and remained so. Just look at the symbolism of their modern henchmen. If they are supplied with weapons, then it is time for Israel to declare Bandera and Shukhevych their heroes..."

When Medvedev says "It will destroy all interstate relations between our countries." he means it.

Israel is sleepwalking right towards Armageddon.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russia-s-medvedev-gets-blunt-with-israel

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564934-general-surovikin-ukraine-operation/

Russian general in charge of Ukraine operation speaks out

Sergey Surovikin described the situation as “tense” and has not ruled out that he might have to make difficult decisions

Army General Sergey Surovikin on Tuesday spoke to the media for the first time since assuming overall command of the ongoing Russian military operation in Ukraine.

Describing the situation as particularly “tense” around the city of Kherson in his statement to the broadcaster Rossiya-24, he added that the military may be forced to make “difficult decisions.”

“The NATO command of the armed forces of Ukraine has long been demanding offensive operations in the Kherson direction from the Kiev regime, regardless of any casualties – both in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and among the civilian population,” Surovikin stated.

The Russian military is aware of Kiev’s plans to use “prohibited” means of waging war in the Kherson area, Surovikin added. Namely, Ukraine is preparing a massive strike on the Kakhovka hydroelectric plant, located on the Dnieper River, as well as launching massive rocket and artillery attacks on Kherson itself.

“These actions can lead to the destruction of the infrastructure of this large industrial center and massive casualties among the civilian population,” Surovikin said.

In the ongoing effort to dislodge the Russian military from its positions, Kiev is pouring its reserves en masse into the frontline, the general said. The vast majority of those reserves are “territorial defense units, who have not been properly trained,” Surovikin added. Such troops have low morale, thus they are propped up by “barrier squads” composed of hardline nationalists “who shoot anyone trying to leave the battlefield,” he claimed.

The enemy’s daily losses amount to hundreds of casualties. We have a different strategy. <...> We are not aiming at fast-paced offensives, we spare every soldier and methodically grind the enemy’s attacking forces. This not only minimizes our own losses, but also significantly reduces the amount of victims among the civilian population.

“The enemy is the criminal regime that pushes Ukrainian citizens towards death. We are one people with Ukrainians and only wish for Ukraine to be a state independent from the West and NATO and friendly towards Russia,” Surovikin said.

Surovikin assumed overall command of Russian troops participating in the military operation earlier in October. The general has significant combat experience, ranging from hostilities in Chechnya to the operation in Syria, for which he was awarded the title of Hero of Russia back in 2017.

READ MORE: ‘General Armageddon’ to lead Russian forces in Ukraine
According to media reports, Surovikin was given the nickname ‘General Armageddon’ by his colleagues over his hardline and unorthodox approach to warfare. His elevation into the new role has coincided with Russia ramping-up aerial bombings across Ukraine, with cruise missiles and suicide drones attacking crucial infrastructure sites in the country.

[Snoweagle]

Why so unhelpful? It would only take a couple minutes of your time to explain your assertions. The burden of proof is on you - it’s not my responsibility to research or validate your claims.

Oh, and if we were 'days away from a potential nuclear event', do you really think that would be a good use of my remaining time? :rolleyes:

Do your own research.
There are enough key-words in my piece to assist you. There is a trove of info waiting for you. Worst case scenario, read the transcripts of Vladimir Putin and Serge Lavrov on their views and opinions working with the West to provide other useful references. Read European and Middle East history.

I am not going to elaborate on my post any more than what had already been produced.

I'm doing this to prevent this turning into a flame war, "you said - he said", with accusations being leveraged at me and subsequently Avalon for some sort of defamation accusation.

Furthermore, it is incumbent on you to show or prove the elements posted by me were incorrect. If and when you do, find the respective topical thread pertaining to the comment you wish to correct and we can check it too.

Other than that, I have nothing more to add.
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At Bill.
Thank you Bill, I too do not believe there will be a nuclear war either.

I fear however, there is a very high chance a nuclear event occurs, to form a major global distraction away from the discontinuous political and election environments around the world at the moment. MSM would have a field day.

I too pray for peace.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/564907-russia-iran-drones-ukraine/

Moscow comments on alleged military use of Iranian drones

All weapons used by Russian troops are from domestic stockpiles, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said, reiterating a denial of reports that Moscow has been using Iranian-supplied drones against Ukraine.

“No, we have no such information. Russian hardware is being used. You know it well. All further questions can be addressed to the Defense Ministry,” Peskov said on Tuesday.

American and Ukrainian officials have claimed on many occasions that Russia received various unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) from Iran and was using them in the conflict with Ukraine.

On Monday, multiple drones were spotted flying over the Ukrainian capital Kiev, with troops desperately trying to shoot them down with small arms, according to videos from the scene.

At least one “kamikaze drone” was reportedly hit and crashed into an apartment block, setting off a deadly explosion. A soldier interviewed by Ukrainian television claimed that he was among those who managed to divert the aircraft off its course with gunfire, adding that he later helped rescue people from under the rubble at the crash site.

Central Kiev hit by kamikaze drones – mayor
Central Kiev hit by kamikaze drones – mayor
The mayor of Kiev, Vitaly Klitschko, said that Russia attacked the city with 28 drones on Monday morning and that the Ukrainian military managed to intercept “most” of them. He reported a total of five explosions, including the one at the residential building. Other drones apparently reached their intended targets, including energy infrastructure facilities.

The drones, designated Geran-2 in Russia, are allegedly a localized version of the Iranian-made Shahed-136. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky claimed last week that Russia had acquired as many as 2,400 Shahed UAVs, as he asked G7 members to provide more air defense systems.

Last month Ukraine cut diplomatic ties with Iran over the alleged supply of weapons to Russia. Neither Moscow nor Tehran confirmed the purported purchase.

READ MORE: Ukrainian official slams Bayraktar drones in prank call
Kiev reportedly urged Israel to ramp up intelligence-sharing in response to Moscow’s alleged deal with Iran. Israeli Minister of Diaspora Affairs Nachman Shai said last Sunday that he supported taking Kiev’s side because of the claimed Iranian involvement.

[Tintin]

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Su-34 crash in Yeysk was due to flight rule violations — Investigative Committee

It is reported that the plane’s technical malfunction is the main line of inquiry

MOSCOW, October 18. /TASS/. The Investigative Committee has qualified Monday’s plane crash in Yeysk as a result of violations of rules of flights or preparations for them.

"The Main Military Investigative Directorate of Russia’s Investigative Committee continues the investigation of a criminal case opened under article 351 of the Criminal Code (violation of rules of flights or preparation for them) over the crash of a Sukhoi-34 plane in Yeysk," the IC’s press-service said in a news release.

The investigation has taken for analysis samples of fuel at the airdrome of departure, as well as the necessary documentation.

"Pilots who managed to eject themselves, as well as airfield personnel, are being questioned. Flight recorders have already been recovered from the crash site for examination," the IC said.

The plane’s technical malfunction is the main line of inquiry.

On the evening of October 17, a Su-34 bomber crashed in a residential area of Yeysk. According to the Defense Ministry, one of the engines caught fire during takeoff. The burning fuel spill spread to a nine-storey apartment building. As a result of the emergency, 13 people, including 3 children, died, and another 19 were taken to the hospital with various injuries.

Wow, okay. I have reservations about The Farsight Institute, as may many others, but this time around it seems as if one of the remote viewers - Kahmia Dunson - may have viewed this actual incident. Comes in at around the 22min mark (October predictions) here (https://farsight.org/demo/Human_News_Project/Human_News_Farsight_main_page.html). Whatever their merits or not at FI I do think their RVers are genuinely gifted.

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Putin signs decree on imposing martial law in four new Russian regions

The Russian leader noted that martial law had been in effect in these territories before they joined Russia

NOVO-OGARYOVO, October 19. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree on the introduction of martial law in four new regions of Russia.

"I have signed a decree on the introduction of martial law in these four constituent entities of Russia (the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Lugansk People’s Republic, the Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions — TASS). It will immediately be sent to the Federation Council for approval. The State Duma has been notified of this decision," Putin said at a meeting of the Security Council on Wednesday held via video link.

The president noted that martial law had been in effect in these territories before they joined Russia. "Now we need to formalize this regime in the framework of the Russian legislation," he explained.

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Over 100 criminal cases opened over discrediting Russian army — Interior Minister

It is noted that a total of 4,500 administrative offenses involving attempts at discrediting the Armed Forces and spreading falsehoods about their operations have been upset

MOSCOW, October 19. /TASS/. The Russian Interior Ministry has initiated more than 100 criminal cases over attempts at discrediting the Russian armed forces and 4,500 administrative offenses have been prevented, Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev said on Wednesday.

"A total of 4,500 administrative offenses involving attempts at discrediting the Armed Forces and spreading falsehoods about their operations have been upset. Over 100 criminal cases have been initiated on the basis of our materials," Kolokoltsev told the State Duma.

In March 2022, a law was passed to establish criminal punishment for the dissemination of falsehoods about the Russian Armed Forces. Article 207.3 (public dissemination of deliberately false information about the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) was introduced to the Criminal Code. This article envisages imprisonment for up to three years or a fine of up to 1.5 million rubles. Also, administrative responsibility has also been introduced for discrediting Russian military servicemen.

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White House taking every step possible to avoid direct Biden-Putin encounter at G-20

U.S. officials also are taking precautions to avoid even a hallway run-in or photo meeting between the two leaders.

The White House has held internal discussions for weeks about Putin’s possible attendance after Indonesian officials announced that the Russian leader would make a rare international trip there. There has been little disagreement within the West Wing about the conclusion that Biden should not meet Putin. But foreign policy experts have been more divided.

Ret. Admiral James Stavridis, former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe, said that if he were advising the president, he’d urge him to take the meeting.

“He should lead with pushing for Griner’s release but also take advantage of the moment to look Putin in the eye,” said Stavridis, “and you tell him that ‘you are losing and you are on a collision course with destiny and it’s not going to come out well for you.’”

Both of Biden’s immediate predecessors — Barack Obama and Donald Trump — crafted foreign policies that involved direct engagement with traditionally adversarial leaders; Obama as a matter of bridging difficult diplomatic divides, Trump as part creating personal and political alliances. Biden has had less engagement abroad. But in addition to meeting Putin previously, he also spoke directly with Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, despite pledging to turn the nation into a pariah.

The success of those meetings has been limited. Saudi Arabia recently defied U.S. entreaties to keep hold off on cuts to oil production, and a White House official said it was “highly unlikely” that Biden would meet again with the crown prince, who is also slated to travel to Indonesia.

Michael McFaul, former U.S. ambassador to Russia, recalled it was just a few months after Putin and Biden met in Geneva that Moscow began massing troops near the Ukrainian border. McFaul said he worried about a similar escalation should Biden meet with Putin again.

“It’s a hard call. During times of crisis, channels of communication are important,” said McFaul. “But the problem of meeting is legitimizing him. You give Putin a platform to claim whatever he wants.”

From the early days of the war, the United States has stressed that any negotiations with the Russians to end its invasion must involve the Ukrainians. And while diplomatic circles have buzzed for weeks about the possibility of a surprise visit to Bali by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, U.S. officials downplayed the chance, believing that he may appear via video instead.

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28 minute video from The New Atlas, Brian Berletic.

Brian states that the violence that just erupted in Thailand where he is, is because of what’s happening in Ukraine.

Update on Russian military operations against Ukraine for October 19, 2022

- Russian missile and drone strikes continue for over a week, knocking out much of Ukraine's electric grid;
- Ukraine is wasting precious small arms ammunition in failed attempts to counter Russian Geran-2 drones;
- NATO claims it will send means to counter them - nothing of substance actually revealed;
- Russian forces continue to advance in Bakhmut, indicating Ukrainian forces are stretched too thin;
- Russian General Surovikin is focused on the defense of Kherson which is being evacuated;
- Fighting may reach the city, Russia has in the past withdrawn forces rather than have them destroyed or captured;
- Whatever gains Ukraine makes will be temporary - Kiev is trading its entire army for territory hoping for a political resolution in its favor ahead of a military resolution in Russia's;


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https://tass.com/world/1524881?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

Israel supports Ukraine, refuses to supply them with weapons, says defense chief

At the same time, Benny Gantz pointed out that Israel still intended to limit itself to providing only non-military assistance to Kiev

TEL AVIV, October 19. /TASS/. Israel, together with its NATO allies, supports Ukraine, but still has no intention to supply Kiev with weapons, Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz said on Wednesday at a meeting with EU envoys, the Defense Ministry’s press service reported.

"Israel supports Ukraine, NATO and the West and stands with them - this is something we’ve stated in the past and repeat today. Israel continues to support Ukraine through humanitarian aid deliveries and supply of life-saving defense equipment. I plan to approve an additional [aid] package, as we’ve done before," the press service of the Israeli Defense Ministry quoted him as saying.

At the same time, Gantz pointed out that Israel still intended to limit itself to providing only non-military assistance to Kiev. "At that, I would like to stress that Israel will not supply weapons systems to Ukraine due to a number of operational reasons. We will continue to support Ukraine within our constraints, as we’ve done in the past," he noted.

The top brass added that Israel was ready to help Ukraine in the development of an advanced air attack warning system as part of this policy. "We have sent the Ukrainians a request for an exchange of information regarding their needs in the area of air alert systems. As soon as we get this information, we will be able to help them develop a life-saving early warning system for civilians," Gantz noted.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba said on Tuesday that his country would send an official message to the Israeli government asking it to immediately provide Kiev with air defense systems. So far, Israel has not provided Ukraine with any military aid and has limited itself to sending humanitarian supplies to the country and providing medical aid to Ukrainians wounded as result of hostilities.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1582736617789607937

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https://sputniknews.com/20221019/what-restrictions-will-martial-law-in-new-russian-territories-entail-1102081076.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

What Restrictions Will Martial Law in New Russian Territories Entail?

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the introduction of a state of martial law in Kherson, Zaporozhye, the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic on Wednesday during a meeting of the Security Council convened to discuss the situation in Ukraine and the Russian regions bordering the conflict zone.
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the introduction of a state of martial law in four constituent entities of the Russian Federation: Kherson, Zaporozhye, the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic on Wednesday.
"I've signed a decree on the introduction of a state of martial law in these four constituent entities of the Russian Federation. It will immediately be sent for approval to the Federation Council [Russia's upper house of parliament], and the State Duma will be informed of the decision," Putin said, speaking at a meeting of the Russian Security Council on Wednesday.
The president stated that despite the constitutional laws on the admission of four new regions into the Russian Federation coming into force, the Kiev regime had refused to “recognize the will” of the people, rejected any proposals for negotiations, and continued its shelling, resorting to openly terrorist methods.

Specific restrictions are set in place during the period of martial law. The rights and freedoms of citizens of the Russian Federation, foreigners, stateless persons, the activities of organizations and the rights of officials may be limited to the extent required to ensure the defense of the country and the security of the state.
Additional responsibilities may be imposed on citizens, organizations and officials. Among these measures may be:
Enforced maintenance of law and order, boosted protection of various infrastructure objects;

Temporary resettlement of residents to safe areas, evacuation of infrastructure objects of economic, social and cultural significance, prohibition or restriction of the choice of place of stay or place of residence;

A special regime of entry and exit from the territory where the regime of martial law is established, restriction of the movement of vehicles and their inspection;

Suspension of the activities of political parties, prohibition of rallies and other mass public events, strikes;

Participation of citizens in work targeting the needs of defense, liquidation of destruction, etc.
Seizure of property with subsequent reimbursement by the state of its value;

Prohibition of violation of curfew by citizens, whether in the streets or in other public places, checking of documents and inspection of vehicles;

Prohibition of arms sales, weapons, ammunition, explosives and poisonous substances, the establishment of a special regime for the circulation of medicines and preparations containing narcotic and other potent substances, alcoholic beverages. In cases stipulated by federal laws and other regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation, seizure of weapons, ammunition, explosives and poisonous substances from citizens, and seizure of military and training military equipment and radioactive substances from organizations along with weapons, ammunition, explosives and poisonous substances;

Introduction of military censorship of postal items and messages transmitted using telecommunication systems, as well as control over telephone conversations, the creation of censorship bodies directly dealing with these issues, and determining the powers of such bodies;

Internment (isolation) of citizens of a foreign state at war with the Russian Federation in accordance with the generally recognized principles and norms of international law;

Introduction of military command in organizations and public authorities;

Termination of activities in international organizations, if it is established that they are performing activities aimed at undermining the defense and security of the country;

Elections on territory where martial law is in force cannot be held;

The text of the decree, grounded in provisions in the Russian Constitution, and the federal law 'On Martial Law' of 2002, has been published on the Kremlin's website and states that martial law will be introduced at 00:00 on October 20.

[Tintin]

The Counter Signal founder Keean Bexte has been offered thousands of dollars of dark money to push pro-Ukrainian propaganda across his massive Twitter following.

Article here: The Counter Signal (https://thecountersignal.com/keean-bexte-offered-thousands-to-push-pro-ukraine-propaganda/)

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Bexte was contacted on Twitter by a user named Volodymyr Kuzma, and offered $200 for each tweet in support of Ukraine. Kuzma asked Bexte to tweet several times per week. He also said he already has other journalists on his payroll.

“Would you consider posting links to human rights articles on your Twitter page?” Kuzma said in a message to Bexte, who has more than 215,000 followers on Twitter.

“These articles are published in well-known publications such as Amnesty, Reuters, DW, etc,” Kuzma continued.

Kuzma then listed some example articles and said, “I am also willing to pay for each post published.”

Facial recognition technology revealed that Kuzma is a Ukrainian journalist. Kuzma told Bexte he represents the organization “Humans Virtue.”

He also told Bexte not to credit “Humans Virtue” for the posts, but to publish them anonymously, saying “no links to Humans Virtue are required.”

“I will be given a list with links in a few days. The articles are ready, you will need to choose one from the list and publish it.”

In another message, Kuzma asked Bexte what he thought about the war in Ukraine.

“I am Ukrainian, I live in Ukraine at the moment,” he said.

On Twitter, Bexte questioned where Kuzma is getting his massive cash flow from. The average salary in Ukraine was around $845 USD per month in 2021.

“ Is this our own tax money being funnelled through Ukraine to buy off people to support their cause,” Bexte questioned

“I thought Ukraine was on the good side – why are they buying off journalists?”

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[Bill Ryan]

Here's a full transcript of the official translation of an interview given by Russian SMO commander General Surovikin yesterday.

1) The Russian MoD website, but some may not be able to view it.
https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12442102@egNews

2) A cached version, which may be more accessible.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:E6S0VPm1Wt4J:https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm%3Fid%3D12442102%40egNews&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ec&client=firefox-b-d

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Good afternoon, Mr. Surovikin! You were appointed the Commander of the Joint Group of Troops in the area of the special military operation by a decree of the Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation. A lot of Russian citizens are concerned about the current situation.

The situation in the area of the special military operation can generally be described as tense.

The enemy does not leave attempts to attack the positions of Russian troops. First of all, it concerns Kupyansk, Krasny Liman and Nikolayev–Krivoy Rog direction. Our enemy is the criminal regime that pushes Ukrainian citizens to death. The Ukrainians and we are one people and we wish Ukraine to be a friendly State for Russia, independent on the West and NATO.

Ukrainian regime intends to break our defence. With this purpose, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are bringing all their reserve forces available to the frontline. These are usually territorial defence units that have not been completely trained.

Ukrainian leadership is actually condemn them to death. This kind of units usually have low morale. To prevent desertions from the frontline, Ukrainian authorities involve blocking detachments manned by nationalists who shoot everyone who tries to abandon the battlefield.

The enemy suffers everyday casualties from 600 to 1,000 people.

We follow a different strategy. It has already been mentioned by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. We do not seek high rates of advance, but save every soldier and methodically 'grind down' the attacking enemy. Not only do we minimise our casualties this way, but also considerably reduce the number of victims among civilians.

The Joint Group of Troops is currently taking measures to increase the combat and numerical strength in units and formations, to create additional reserve forces, to prepare defence lines and positions along all the line of contact.

We continue launching attacks with high-precision armament at the military and infrastructure facilities that influence on the combat effectiveness of Ukrainian troops.

Several days ago, the interim governor of Kherson region Vladimir Saldo stated that the authorities had decided to organise the possibility to leave the region to other parts of the Russian Federation for recreation or studying. It primarily concerns the right shore. The head of the region stated that these measures were taken to provide safery of civilians amid frequent attacks of the AFU. How would you comment on this decision?

There is a difficult situation at the abovementioned direction. The enemy launches deliberate attacks at infrastructure facilities and residential buildings located in Kherson. Impacts of HIMARS rockets have damaged Antonovka bridge and the dyke of Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant where the traffic is currently stopped.

It has resulted in impeding alimentation deliveries; certain problems have been recorded in supplying water and electricity. All of these not only complicates the residents' everyday life, but also poses a direct threat to their lives.

NATO leadership that leads the Armed Forces of Ukraine has long demanded the Kiev regime to conduct offensive operations towards Kherson, regardless of any casualties: neither in the AFU, nor among the civilian population.

We have got data on the possible use of prohibited methods of war by the Kiev regime near Kherson, on the preparation of a massive missile attack at the barrage of Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant, as well as launching a massive indiscriminate missile and artillery attack at the city.

This action can lead to the destruction of the infrastructure of a large industrial centre and high casualties among civilians.

In these conditions, our primary task is to save lives and health of civilians. That is why, first of all, the Russian army will provide safe departure of the population according to the resettlement programme that is currently being prepared by the Russian Government.

Our further plans and action regarding the city of Kherson itself will depend on the military and tactical situation.

I repeat: has already become very difficult.

Anyway, as I have already said, we will proceed from the necessity to maximally save the lives of civilians and our personnel.

We will operate consciously, promptly, not excluding to take difficult decisions.

[Vicus]

Russia Destroys Satellite Uplink Station outside Odessa, Ukraine - all NATO Gear inside


Russia has destroyed the Satellite Uplink Earth-station of the communications center of Ukraine.

To destroy it, a special operation was organized by the Russian Army. After first pinpointing its location, it was hit using high-precision weapons.

The destruction of this earth station - at least for the time being - has totally shut down Ukraine's secure government communications network, and has stopped the flow of NATO intelligence to Ukraine's government distribution network. Military planners are no longer able to get real-time intelligence via space satellite communications with NATO!

This creates extremely serious problems for the Ukrainian government to organize operations and secure communications.+

"In the area of ​​Palievka settlement, Odesa region, the communications space station of the Government Communications Center of Ukraine was destroyed, " the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said during a routine briefing.

According to the Russians, “ the consequences of the impact will be seen after the last pass by the Sentinel-2 and WorldView spacecraft.

Intelligence community information is that the earth station was fully outfitted with NATO secure communications gear, and all NATO targeting data passed to the Kiev regime through this center. Its destruction is a massive blow to the Ukrainians.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russia-destroys-satellite-uplink-station-outside-odessa-ukraine-all-nato-gear-inside

[Vicus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUscTj9pMBQ

[Vicus]

Russia: "No Point" to continued Diplomatic Presence in the West


In a shocking statement today, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said "Russia sees no point in maintaining diplomatic presence in the West."

He continued by saying “It makes no sense, and we have no desire to maintain the same presence in Western countries. Our people work in conditions that can hardly be called human. They face constant problems, threats of physical attacks.”

Lavrov went on to reveal "the Russian foreign ministry is currently carrying out a “geographical reorientation” of its activities both abroad and in the central office" suggesting a potential downgrade of Russia’s diplomatic presence in the West.

Hal Turner Remarks

Will this be a pretext for quiet embassy evac before the nukes launch?

When Diplomacy is shut off, we all know what comes next.

You know, if the United States or its NATO allies had one shred of self-respect, or one grain of honor, this whole Ukraine thing would never have taken place. But the people running the United States Government seem to me to have no honor - at all. They gave assurances to Russia that NATO "would not move one inch eastward" then later did the exact thing they assured Russia would NOT be done. That set in motion DECADES of betrayal of Russia, which have no lead us to the brink of actual nuclear war.

Our assurance was given, and recorded in official US State Department Records, on February 9, 1990. A portion of those records appear below.

The long and short of it is this: At a meeting in Moscow between then US Secretary of State James Baker, then Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, and then Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze, Baker spoke about the then-pending re-unification of East and West Germany. Baker expressly stated (Page 5):

"I want you to know one thing for certain: The president and I have made clear that we seek no unilateral advantage in this process."

On the very next page (Page 6), Baker explicitly stated:

"We understand the need for assurances to the countries in the east. If we maintain a presence in a Germany that is part of NATO, there would be no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east."+##

For all those ignorant morons cheering Ukraine, let me educate you with facts and evidence proving we in the west - and the government of Ukraine - are in the wrong. Here are the official US State Department records proving the United States assured the Soviet Union upon the re-unification of East and West Germany, "there would be no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east:"

Cover Page of Freedom of Information Act release, so you can see the file number at the bottom:

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russia-no-point-to-continued-diplomatic-presence-in-the-west

[ExomatrixTV]

European Protesters Rise Up Against NATO amid Rising Energy Prices:

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In Europe, NATO is increasingly being viewed as a warmonger. Europeans have many crises to deal with. What Europe is going through is nothing short of tragic. Amid an intense energy-cum-economic crisis where people are struggling to make ends meet on a daily basis, NATO and EU seem to be inkling for a war with Russia. The European Union’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell recently said the Russian military would be annihilated by NATO’s forces if tactical nuclear weapons were to be used in Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin responded by saying such a move would trigger a global catastrophe. Europeans, for one, have had enough. Now, they want to get out of NATO, and get out fast. That’s why anti-NATO protests are simmering all across Europe. Watch to know more.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1582783067055267840
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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1582800904881070080
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https://sputniknews.com/20221019/us-may-be-compelled-to-answer-questions-on-biolabs-in-ukraine-this-time-at-unsc-1102094360.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

US May Be Compelled to Answer Questions on Biolabs in Ukraine, This Time at UNSC

The issue of US biolabs in Ukraine has once again received wide international publicity. On October 18, Belarus, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, China, Cuba, Nicaragua, Syria, and Russia called for invoking Article VI of the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) because of US military and biological activities in Ukraine.


Article VI of the Biological Weapons Convention allows states-parties to lodge a complaint with the United Nations Security Council if they suspect a breach of treaty obligations by another state. In the event of such a development, the United States, as a state-party to the convention, would be obliged to cooperate in any investigation that may be initiated by the UNSC.
Chinese experts interviewed by Sputnik believe that if the US has nothing to hide, it should provide a comprehensive explanation.

In early March 2022, the Russian Ministry of Defense released information indicating that the United States was deploying an extensive biological research program in Ukraine. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the US has spent more than $200 million on 46 biological laboratories in Ukraine that participated in the US military biological program.
According to Lt. Gen. Igor Kirillov, chief of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection Forces of the Russian Armed Forces, one of the priority tasks of the Ukrainian laboratories was to collect and send to the United States strains of pathogens of dangerous infectious diseases - cholera, anthrax, tularemia, and others. At the same time, the transportation of the pathogens was not controlled within the WHO, BWC, or other international institutions, and various biological agents and substances were tested on Ukrainian military personnel, indigent citizens, and patients of mental hospitals.
According to Russia, the United States, under the guise of scientific activities and efforts to improve laboratory security systems, has been developing biological weapons in Ukraine.
According to data obtained by the Russian MoD from Ukrainian officials, traces of US activities were partially destroyed on the day the Russian special military operation was launched, and many pathogens were removed from the country, indicating that the US intends to continue research outside the country. Indirectly, this was also indicated by the words of US Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. During a March 8 hearing of the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, she reported on the presence of biosafety research facilities in Ukraine. She expressed concern about the possibility that these biolaboratories and materials stored there might come under the control of the Russian Armed Forces.
The US subsequently denied any connection between the laboratories and the Pentagon. However, according to Yang Mian, a professor at the Institute of International Relations, Communication University of China, the very existence of such laboratories raises questions:
"Russia says that it has found many US biolaboratories in Ukraine near Russia's borders, some of which were researching infectious diseases. The US denied the accusations, saying that they were engaged in scientific research. Outside observers have every reason to ask: Why did the US set up so many laboratories around Russia? The US could have conducted research on these diseases internally as well as externally. Therefore, this situation is suspicious one way or another," he said.

According to the Chinese Foreign Ministry, the US Department of Defense controls 336 biolaboratories in 30 countries around the world. In this regard, the issue of US-led biological research is of great concern to China, and this information provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense immediately resonated in the country.
"China has always demanded that the United States disclose the purpose and role of its own biological experiments. China's concern could greatly increase international attention to this issue, as well as increasing pressure on the United States. China is very concerned about the safety of human life. Regarding this issue, China believes that the United States has a responsibility and should give a transparent and open report to the world," Yang Mian explained.
According to the expert, what is most suspicious is the ambiguous actions of the United States, and the attempts to “cover up the issue”:
“Russia is demanding an investigation. Many countries are demanding it. It is imperative, the activities of the US should be investigated. But they are obstructing the investigation in every way possible. If the US is in the clear, then what is there to be afraid of? Many such studies have a dual purpose. The US says it was engaged in scientific research, but couldn't it have been used to create new kinds of weapons? The US should provide evidence and explanations.”
Lyu Chao, dean of the Institute of American and East Asian Studies at Liaoning University, holds a similar view:
"The disclosed information about American biolaboratories in Ukraine has alarmed the international community. Therefore, the US has to provide a clear explanation. Better yet, instead of making excuses, it should conduct an international investigation, including one under the auspices of the WHO. This would be even more convincing," Lyu Chao said.
Both experts were cautious in their assessments and noted that the topic of US biolaboratories in Ukraine requires additional clarification, both in terms of US arguments and scientific expertise. Due to the politicization of the situation, it is unlikely that the United States will agree to provide more clarity and engage in truly open cooperation. Moreover, judging by the experience of the September BWC meeting, where half of the participating countries did not attend, not everyone has the courage to openly question Washington's position. Nevertheless, the current initiative of the eight countries is a case where the Western hegemon does not find itself in its usual role of prosecutor, but in the role of justifying itself. Perhaps the United States will have to answer questions that worry so many countries after all.

[shookid]

[url]https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1582800904881070080
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China is very concerned about the safety of human life.

While yes the US has some explaining to do, saying that China is concerned for human life is a true head scratcher.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1582800968302751744
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[Ravenlocke]

2022.10.19 American Hysteria Part I


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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1582816354385567744
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https://www.rt.com/business/564967-turkiye-decision-russian-gas-hub/

Türkiye reveals decision on Russian gas hub plan

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced on Wednesday that he had accepted the proposal of his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to create an international natural gas hub in Türkiye.

Addressing the Turkish parliament, Erdogan cited Putin as saying that Europe could obtain Russian gas from a major hub in Türkiye.

Last week, the two leaders discussed the matter at a face-to-face meeting in the capital of Kazakhstan, Astana. The idea was suggested by the Russian president, who offered to build a major gas hub in Türkiye to handle supplies that had previously been directed to Europe through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline in the Baltic Sea. The pipeline, along with the yet-unused Nord Stream 2 pipeline, was severely damaged in late September in a series of explosions that are widely considered to be the result of sabotage.

Praising Türkiye as one of “the most reliable” partners for the transit of Russian fuel to Europe, Putin noted that an international gas hub would serve not only as a distribution platform, but could also be used for determining gas prices and avoiding the “politicization” of the issue.

READ MORE: Saboteurs targeting pipeline to Türkiye captured – Kremlin
The Kremlin had previously urged Ankara to consider further developing its gas infrastructure after several people were detained for allegedly plotting to sabotage the TurkStream pipeline, which delivers Russian natural gas to Türkiye. According to Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, the pipeline is now the only “fully functional, fully loaded and working as clockwork route” for Russian gas to reach Europe.

[Tyy1907]

We are days away from a potential nuclear eventI just wanted to gently step in here and offer my VERY strong opinion that this is not the case, despite a great deal of western media fearmongering and provocative White House saber-rattling.

I felt I should share my view in case others reading this may be feeling anxious — about something they would be powerless to do anything about. That kind of situation always adds to the worry. There are many things to be concerned about in the world right now, which one CAN mitigate proactively, at least to some extent. Taking action against potential problems, where it's possible, is always the best remedy.

There's not going to be a nuclear war.

:grouphug:

I love what Bill said here. Part of what would create such an event would be enough people believing the fear mongering news outlets.
Each day we either add something to the world or we take away. Bringing love in or fear.

[Michel Leclerc]

The American Union, the United States of Europe – too little, too late.

To the extent that they are "morons" (not my word), they are criminals. Criminally, because wilfully, ignorant. “Why work and learn if I can have a slave?“ The slaves grow smart and they grow muscle.

To the extent that they are criminals (enjoying the snuff movies called Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Yemen – just to name a few of the latest features –), they are ignorant: the victims always remember – eternally: they reincarnate to take revenge.

[Michel Leclerc]

We are days away from a potential nuclear eventI just wanted to gently step in here and offer my VERY strong opinion that this is not the case, despite a great deal of western media fearmongering and provocative White House saber-rattling.

I felt I should share my view in case others reading this may be feeling anxious — about something they would be powerless to do anything about. That kind of situation always adds to the worry. There are many things to be concerned about in the world right now, which one CAN mitigate proactively, at least to some extent. Taking action against potential problems, where it's possible, is always the best remedy.

There's not going to be a nuclear war.

:grouphug:

I love what Bill said here. Part of what would create such an event would be enough people believing the fear mongering news outlets.
Each day we either add something to the world or we take away. Bringing love in or fear.

Bill, Johnny – I agree, to an extent. Nuclear "weapons" (though not missiles) were used in Iraq and Serbia – with tens, hundreds pf thousands of victims of depleted uranium. There are films of very suspect explosions in Syria (and in Yemen if I remember correctly, and maybe even in Lebanon) which appear to be made by tactical nuclear missiles.

What I am wary of is that such weapons may be used as part of an escalation in the asymmetric warfare – and: "asymmetrically”: Russia is not lead by a psychopath but Yankeestan, Exbritannia and Eurubble are.

[Tintin]

Russia Destroys Satellite Uplink Station outside Odessa, Ukraine - all NATO Gear inside


and has stopped the flow of NATO intelligence to Ukraine's government distribution network. Military planners are no longer able to get real-time intelligence via space satellite communications with NATO!



Thanks for this.

This action, short of actually disabling a satellite directly, is a likely battlefield gamechanger. And let's not forget that Russia clearly do have further advanced space-based alternatives that could be deployed, where necessary. (One of the reasons why I don't think nuclear will really come into play in the conflict, unless of course the deranged maniacs in London and Washington decide that that kind of a false flag is a good idea :facepalm: )

[pounamuknight]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1582816354385567744
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https://www.rt.com/business/564967-turkiye-decision-russian-gas-hub/

Türkiye reveals decision on Russian gas hub plan

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced on Wednesday that he had accepted the proposal of his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to create an international natural gas hub in Türkiye.

Addressing the Turkish parliament, Erdogan cited Putin as saying that Europe could obtain Russian gas from a major hub in Türkiye.

Last week, the two leaders discussed the matter at a face-to-face meeting in the capital of Kazakhstan, Astana. The idea was suggested by the Russian president, who offered to build a major gas hub in Türkiye to handle supplies that had previously been directed to Europe through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline in the Baltic Sea. The pipeline, along with the yet-unused Nord Stream 2 pipeline, was severely damaged in late September in a series of explosions that are widely considered to be the result of sabotage.

Praising Türkiye as one of “the most reliable” partners for the transit of Russian fuel to Europe, Putin noted that an international gas hub would serve not only as a distribution platform, but could also be used for determining gas prices and avoiding the “politicization” of the issue.

READ MORE: Saboteurs targeting pipeline to Türkiye captured – Kremlin
The Kremlin had previously urged Ankara to consider further developing its gas infrastructure after several people were detained for allegedly plotting to sabotage the TurkStream pipeline, which delivers Russian natural gas to Türkiye. According to Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, the pipeline is now the only “fully functional, fully loaded and working as clockwork route” for Russian gas to reach Europe.

One to keep an eye on, especially if Turkey pegs gas sales to the Turkish lira ₺

[David Trd1]

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Scott Ritter and Garland Nixon

[TargeT]

let's not forget that Russia clearly do have further advanced.......

Do they though... could that sentence be finished with anything valid? (from my experience... no).

I wonder why...

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[pounamuknight]

The Turkish gambit

https://twitter.com/GoldTelegraph_/status/1582712010508148736
And right on cue, the empire dispatched (https://mondovisione.com/media-and-resources/news/us-assistant-secretary-for-terrorist-financing-and-financial-crimes-elizabeth-ro/) their economic hitman (https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/revolver-spotlight-elizabeth-rosenberg/) to Ankara

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If Turkey does peg their gas sales to the lira, it may give Saudi Arabia dangerous inspiration

Turkey is such an interesting node in our developing multipolar world

[Tintin]

Some updates from Eva Bartlett's Telegram channel:

Subject: the evacuation of citizens from Kherson now that martial law has been imposed - this was covered very clearly by Scott Ritter in his discussion with Garland Nixon posted here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1523672&viewfull=1#post1523672) (20 minute video)

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/9556

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The full text:

Fake news:
The Russian Armed Forces are planning to surrender Kherson. The full evacuation of the region has been announced. This is reported by telegram channels.

The fact:
Authorities in Kherson region recommend (https://t.me/readovkanews/44687) civilians, especially women and children, to leave the city. The reason is the persistent shelling by the Ukrainian armed forces.

Those who decide to move from Kherson Region will be provided with (https://t.me/breakingmash/39199) housing in any region of Russia if they wish. This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin. They will be given housing certificates to buy it. The amount will be calculated individually for each of them. Geography, type of housing (new building, secondary or whole house) and family structure will be taken into account.

This does not mean that the Russian Armed Forces plan to surrender Kherson. On the contrary, they plan to turn the city into a fortress. This will allow organizing a more competent defence and minimizing losses on the part of Russian soldiers.

Unlike the Ukrainian military who were setting up (https://t.me/warfakes/1438) firing points in Mariupol apartment blocks, the Russian ones will not be covered up by civilians. Therefore, civilians are asked to leave the city.

Military expert Boris Rozhin, said (https://t.me/readovkanews/44687) that the evacuation of civilians under the adopted programmes has been going on for weeks:

"The front is getting firmer as the Ukrainian Armed Forces keep trying to break through to Berislav and Kherson. We can expect that before the midterm elections in the US the Ukrainian troops will be driven to attack in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia directions. Therefore, if intelligence has such information, it is better to remove civilians from the upcoming fighting zone in advance," Rozhin wrote.

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https://t.me/Reality_Theories/9562

Reality_Theories/9562



My lovely (Russian) neighbours invited me to a concert at their scientists club. These neighbours have several times sent humanitarian aid with me to the Donbass, gathered by they and their friends.

When they speak of the situation in the Donbass and in Ukraine itself, they do so with compassion. They speak of Ukrainians as their brothers/sisters/relatives.

During intermission, they toasted to peace.

This sentiment is, in my experience, the norm here and even in the Donbass under Ukraine's bombs for over 8 years. They differentiate between the extremists/nationalists/Nazis and the ordinary people.

If you know someone with a rabid hatred for Russians, consider sharing this with them.

[Tintin]

From Mark Crispin Miller on his Substack (https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/a-us-and-a-russian-officer-explain) account a letter from a son to his mother, and the entry also includes a continuingly and justifiably flabbergasted Colonel Doug Macgregor who appeared on The Dive In (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91gju8gkO8) earlier this week.

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This is a message that a Russian special forces officer has sent his mother, vis-a-vis the Russian military strategy and its success thus far. It was translated by Russell Bentley, a Texan living (and fighting) in Donetsk, and published with permission from the author.

Hi, Mom. I am traveling from Tver now, and there’s an opportunity to talk about Putin and his actions as a leader. Clearly, everyone thinks about themselves that they're a great strategist, while observing a fight from the outside… We all imagine from afar, that “if I were him, I’d do this, that, and that”… However, we don’t have all the information. We do not get daily intelligence briefings as to what is happening in all corners of our country, not just in Donbass. Quite powerful players with serious intelligence and technical capabilities are playing against Putin. Ukraine is run by Great Britain and the USA, who provide them with all satellite intelligence. AWACS airplanes fly over the Black Sea and provide full coordinates for all facilities, including oil derricks and soon. So we are being fought against by the collective West and first and foremost the USA and Great Britain. And they would like for Europe to pay for all of this.

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They wish to solve a few problems at once: to weaken, to reduce the level of influence of Europe, to push Europe as far back from Russia as possible. And it would be desirable to create some kind of a unified country between Europe and Russia arbitrarily called “Anti-Russia”. In order to achieve this, Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic states must be unified. Currently, they are trying to manipulate the situation in different ways to gradually converge on having the elites of Ukraine and the Baltic states unite with Poland into some kind of a confederation or a federation. They are now quickly rewriting laws in order to allow Polish citizens, officials, prosecutors and others to work in Ukraine without any limitations. The same will now be done in the Baltic States. Lithuania has started acting up by closing the transit way to Kaliningrad, thus provoking Russia to take some actions in response, in order to further convince those, who are still in doubt,that the Baltic states must join this three-way union against Russia at all costs.

If they manage to drive in such a wedge between Europe and Russia, Europe will stop developing, and her abilities will be reversed. Europe will gradually decline and go broke, while Russia,without contact with Europe, will respectively face certain difficulties, because, while possessing a strong raw material resources base, we won't have access to various technologies that Europeans, namely, the Swiss, the Germans, the Austrians were able to advance in. There was an idea to create a common economic space from Lisbon to the Far East, and as such we would have had a strong geopolitical influence on the Eurasian continent. However, as you see, the British and Americans are taking all possible measures in order to not allow this to happen.

Clearly, liberating Ukraine from nazism was a forced measure, because it was obvious that they would have carried out their plans on their own very soon. They had prepared their most powerful airplane, Mria, the heavy lifter, at the Gostomel airport to carry out a strike on Rostov-on-Don. That is why our airborne troops landed there, took the “stuffing” out of Mria, and took it to Russia. Those were components of a “dirty” nuclear bomb, that was supposed to be used above Rostov-on-Don. Ukraine had planned to attack Donbass, and Russia was supposed to step in. In fact, the fighting was supposed to take place on the border, because they would have made it to the Russian border in 2-3 days by crushing Donbass, as a very serious force was being concentrated there: 250 thousand armed and trained soldiers.

In response, Russia would have started an operation to protect Donbass, but this would, in fact, be happening in Russia or on the border between the DNR and Rostov or Belgorod regions. Respectively, Ukraine would be screeching for the world to hear: “We are under attack! Russia has crossed the border!” She would take everything she had to the skies, including the Mria airplane, and strikes Rostov with a dirty bomb, thus destroying the Black Earth region: Rostov, Krasnodar, and Donetsk. The goal was to make sure that Russia couldn’t use these lands to feed herself and others in the future. A fairly serious food crisis is coming up. The conductors of this crisis believe that if the land is poisoned for an extended period of time, for the next 20-30-50 years, then Russia won’t have such a powerful trump card, which is the fact that she supplies half of the world, half of humanity, with bread.


So, as a result, we started the operation in advance. Of course, perhaps we weren’t entirely prepared for it, but we had no choice. First of all, we took the “stuffing” out of Gostomel, we took everything out of Chernobyl that they tried to do there, and gained control over the Zaporozh’e Nuclear Power Plant. So all the places where they tried to develop their nuclear program were taken under control, (we) took everything out. Further, there was an idea that by surrounding Kiev we would be able to force the Ukrainian elites to rise up in a certain way, as well as the so-called pro-Russian elites, such as Medvedchuk and so on, who could have theoretically led the new and reformed Ukraine. That was plan A.

However, plan A failed. As is usual with the Khokhols, that 2 out of 3 people are always traitors. The same happened here, as the Kiev elites became scared, became terrified; the West clicked its tongue at them, and that was it. They rolled back,nobody had started any uprising in Kiev, they didn’t bring the keys to Kiev out for us. That’s when plan B went into action. Plan B consisted of the systematic destruction of the entire military infrastructure and the slow and gradual finishing off of the rest of it. Therefore, we rolled back. The troops were pulled back to a friendly territory, where we had no evil rear. We know that those behind us won’t shoot us in the back. We created this powerful “horseshoe”. And we suck all their forces in there, everything that they are willing to throw at us.

In other words,this is where we are slowly grinding down their military forces. They keep throwing new reinforcements, new weapons in there. The West keeps throwing whatever it can in there. However, we are sustaining much lower losses, considerably lower losses, about an order of magnitude lower as opposed to what we would have been sustaining, had we been advancing on Kiev or Zaporozh’e, as we are slowly and calmly destroying all of their military infrastructure,including attempting to destroy the maximum number of highly trained troops. When only territorial defense forces, consisting of insane people with sticks and machine guns, remain, it will get easier.

Our next goal will be Nikolaev/Odessa. Ukraine must be cut off from the Black Sea at all costs, because our Black Sea fleet is not safe,as long as Ukraine has access to the Black Sea. And we’ll have access to Transnistria. Transnistria will also be in the safety zone, we’ll protect our people there. And then, more likely than not, it wouldn’t be bad if we could perform a powerful unified advance together with Belarus from two sides, with Belarus from the North and us from the South, from Transnistria to cut Ukraine off its Western border, from Poland and Romania. In other words, to fully block Ukraine from all Western deliveries. That would be the moment,starting with which order could be calmly restored, the elites would be replaced, the blood-suckers that have terrorized Ukraine for the last 8 years would be jailed, and so on.

Of course, understanding all these plans, the West will play various dirty tricks. They will cause an uproar in Lithuania, may try to pounce on Kaliningrad; they will most likely pounce on Transnistria through Romania (Romanians will creep through Moldova), and Poland will creep onto Ukrainian territory with an ostensibly peacekeeping mission, trying to overtake, to bite off at least the Western regions of Ukraine. Thus,quite serious clashes with the NATO block are possible. Clearly, one must not rush at this point.

Putin is not throwing the newest weapons (into the battle) at this point, he’s using only old tanks, such as T-62’s, T-70’s, T-80’s. It seems that the T-90“Breakthrough” has now been observed in Donbass. However, it seems to me that only older equipment is being used now, primarily, in order to dispose of it, because disposal is expensive, and secondly because there’s plenty of it to grind through everything that Ukraine is capable of putting against it. However, when the NATO block creeps in, we must have powerful reserves in order to deal with the NATO block in all seriousness.

Nothing will stop with just Ukraine. This is just the beginning, and a fairly serious mess is in the future. Therefore, all those who are now yelling: “Let’s strike on Kiev now!”, well, yes, perhaps it would be great to do so now, while running on emotions, but that would bring a certain level of chaos into the control (of the operation). In other words, we could destroy the command centers and remove the insane Khokhols. However, as the next step, NATO would have to take action to take control over Ukraine and to start controlling everything on its own, which would make it more difficult for us. Therefore, it’s better to keep dealing with these morons. Let them control these troops, while we are grinding them down. When the time comes, the morons in Kiev will be dealt with. It seems, it’s too early to do so now.

Therefore, it’s clear that the people of Donbass are suffering, Donetsk is suffering, but these are the last months of their suffering. More likely than not, the stronghold in Avdeevka will be surrounded and destroyed, and Donetsk will be in deep rear, like Mariupol is now. Nobody’s touching or bombing Mariupol now. Donetsk will be liberated some day. Clearly, there are people tired of the war, there are people who hate Russians because they didn’t help in the right way, not quickly enough, not fast enough, but it’s not everyone.

There’s a certain journalist named Anatoly Shariy, whose people are currently interviewing people in Mariupol and he posts them Youtube. The majority, about 95% of city residents speak of Azov fighters with hatred, they speak about the crimes they committed in the city. There are no words of anger or hate towards Russians, who liberated them. There’s regret that the city was destroyed, that people had lost their apartments, however,in general most people are in high spirits, because the future holds no darkness that was lingering over them. The same will now be felt by people in Melitopol, in Kherson, in Tokmak, in liberated areas. They will see that life in Russia is much more fair, honest, and better than under the rule of nazis. They will have better social safety net programs, better retirement support, they will have a functioning electrical and gas infrastructure, they will not have such high utility bills. As the end result, they will feel that there’s a change for the better, and gradually even the skeptics will calm down.

For now everyone must remain patient. And one can only wish for Putin to remain patient. He has a very serious and difficult job,because very serious players are up against him, very powerful players, including the domestic fifth column – the bankers, social leaders, the liberal block of the government, and so on. All of them desire to somehow roll back to the past, as “everything was just peachy, everything was fine, we had our palaces, our families, our airplanes, our yachts… What are you doing, Putin, what have you done to us, you cut off our oxygen supply.” Clearly, this is where he’ll have to replace the elites.

And if that is to be done, it must be gradually done starting now, with the support of the power block, gradually changing the attitudes within the society, in order to bring about a powerful societal demand for change within Russia. And that could result in us actually making it, because this is a war for life or death. We will not be allowed to step aside, saying:“Let’s just leave everything as is, let’s go back to February24th.” The West is on a mission to grind us into a fine powder, rip us to shreds, reduce us to the level where we become completely harmless to them. They deeply regret that they were unable to complete this work during the Yeltsin/Gorbachev era. They had relaxed as they thought they had already won, clapping Yeltsin on the shoulder and laughing at him, thinking that they had Russia in their pocket. And suddenly it became clear that they had made a grave mistake by relaxing too early, by believing in their victory too early. Now they are reaping bitter fruits.

And we have just two options: return with the shield or on the shield. Either we put them back in their place and eventually mark our borders with red lines, beyond which they cannot stick their noses, or we roll back to the liberal darkness, and that’s when they would obtain another colony to rob for the next 50 years or so, and live prosperously and richly by ransacking our country. Thus, I think, we all need to consolidate and help each other in one way or another. Currently, the All-People’s Front is collecting money on their website, there’s a button to transfer money. People do transfer money. Yesterday an announcement was made at my work,everybody gave what they could, and there were 65 million rubles collected by evening in order to help the armies of Donetsk and Lugansk. This financial support is meant to buy the guys bulletproof vests, necessary weapons, drones and so on, because they are basically a militia. Clearly, the Ministry of Defense provided them with a bit of weapons, some uniforms.

However, hopefully there are sufficient supplies for our own army, so it’s better that people unite to help. This is how it was during the Great Patriotic War(WWII), people helped to the best of their abilities, worked at factories, and so on. It is the same now. Don’t stay away as if“it’s not our war, (it’s just) somebody fighting somewhere, and we’re going out for coffee and dancing.” When Russia participated in the Russian-Japanese war, similar attitudes were prevalent in the society: “This is not our war, this is happening somewhere far.” As a result, we lost that war. Neither the people, nor the elites understood the point of the war and did not support it. The same took place in 1914, during WWI, as everybody relaxed, which almost lead to the country breaking apart. However,during the Great Patriotic War, the government managed to organize the society, to consolidate it. The entire fifth column was cleansed out.

People recall 1937, but that was a forced measure. All people, who could be working for the enemy, were removed from power,from all dangerous facilities. Only those, who were loyal to the country, to the Motherland, and who were ready to shred (the enemy)with their teeth, remained. And, as a result, after resisting for 4years, we really did shred them. The unified Europe was defeated. The entire Europe, short of Greece and Serbia, worked for Hitler. Currently, the same is happening, only now Greece is also against us, with just Serbia being for us. Thus, it’s practically the same attack (on us), and we must stand up to it. Therefore, whether some approve or disapprove of Putin’s politics, whether they support it or not, it doesn’t matter now. We must be shoulder to shoulder here, domestically. We’ll figure it out later. For now the mission is to win the war.

[Bill Ryan]

This letter, from a Russian Spetsnaz [Special Forces] officer written to his mother, was received by Russell 'Texas' Bentley, and translated by him with the author's permission. It's long and very very interesting.

Bentley published this on a sequence of Telegram posts 5 hours ago:


https://t.me/TXDPR/2692
https://t.me/TXDPR/2693
https://t.me/TXDPR/2694
https://t.me/TXDPR/2695
https://t.me/TXDPR/2696

MESSAGE TO MOM FROM A RUSSIAN SPETSNAZ OFFICER

This is a real message from a real officer in the Russian special forces. The information it contains is true. Translated and published by Russell Bentley, with permission from the author.

~~~

Hi, Mom. I am traveling from Tver now, and there’s an opportunity to talk about Putin and his actions as a leader. Clearly, everyone thinks about themselves that they're a great strategist, while observing a fight from the outside… We all imagine from afar, that “if I were him, I’d do this, that, and that”… However, we don’t have all the information. We do not get daily intelligence briefings as to what is happening in all corners of our country, not just in Donbass. Quite powerful players with serious intelligence and technical capabilities are playing against Putin. Ukraine is run by Great Britain and the USA, who provide them with all satellite intelligence. AWACS airplanes fly over the Black Sea and provide full coordinates for all facilities, including oil derricks and soon. So we are being fought against by the collective West and first and foremost the USA and Great Britain. And they would like for Europe to pay for all of this.

They wish to solve a few problems at once: to weaken, to reduce the level of influence of Europe, to push Europe as far back from Russia as possible. And it would be desirable to create some kind of a unified country between Europe and Russia arbitrarily called “Anti-Russia”. In order to achieve this, Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic states must be unified. Currently, they are trying to manipulate the situation in different ways to gradually converge on having the elites of Ukraine and the Baltic states unite with Poland into some kind of a confederation or a federation. They are now quickly rewriting laws in order to allow Polish citizens, officials, prosecutors and others to work in Ukraine without any limitations. The same will now be done in the Baltic States. Lithuania has started acting up by closing the transit way to Kaliningrad, thus provoking Russia to take some actions in response, in order to further convince those, who are still in doubt,that the Baltic states must join this three-way union against Russia at all costs.

If they manage to drive in such a wedge between Europe and Russia, Europe will stop developing, and her abilities will be reversed. Europe will gradually decline and go broke, while Russia,without contact with Europe, will respectively face certain difficulties, because, while possessing a strong raw material resources base, we won't have access to various technologies that Europeans, namely, the Swiss, the Germans, the Austrians were able to advance in. There was an idea to create a common economic space from Lisbon to the Far East, and as such we would have had a strong geopolitical influence on the Eurasian continent. However, as you see, the British and Americans are taking all possible measures in order to not allow this to happen.

Clearly, liberating Ukraine from Nazism was a forced measure, because it was obvious that they would have carried out their plans on their own very soon. They had prepared their most powerful airplane, Mria, the heavy lifter, at the Gostomel airport to carry out a strike on Rostov-on-Don. That is why our airborne troops landed there, took the “stuffing” out of Mria, and took it to Russia. Those were components of a “dirty” nuclear bomb, that was supposed to be used above Rostov-on-Don. Ukraine had planned to attack Donbass, and Russia was supposed to step in. In fact, the fighting was supposed to take place on the border, because they would have made it to the Russian border in 2-3 days by crushing Donbass, as a very serious force was being concentrated there: 250 thousand armed and trained soldiers.

In response, Russia would have started an operation to protect Donbass, but this would, in fact, be happening in Russia or on the border between the DNR and Rostov or Belgorod regions. Respectively, Ukraine would be screeching for the world to hear: “We are under attack! Russia has crossed the border!” She would take everything she had to the skies, including the Mria airplane, and strikes Rostov with a dirty bomb, thus destroying the Black Earth region: Rostov, Krasnodar, and Donetsk. The goal was to make sure that Russia couldn’t use these lands to feed herself and others in the future. A fairly serious food crisis is coming up. The conductors of this crisis believe that if the land is poisoned for an extended period of time, for the next 20-30-50 years, then Russia won’t have such a powerful trump card, which is the fact that she supplies half of the world, half of humanity, with bread.

So, as a result, we started the operation in advance. Of course, perhaps we weren’t entirely prepared for it, but we had no choice. First of all, we took the “stuffing” out of Gostomel, we took everything out of Chernobyl that they tried to do there, and gained control over the Zaporozh’e Nuclear Power Plant. So all the places where they tried to develop their nuclear program were taken under control, (we) took everything out. Further, there was an idea that by surrounding Kiev we would be able to force the Ukrainian elites to rise up in a certain way, as well as the so-called pro-Russian elites, such as Medvedchuk and so on, who could have theoretically led the new and reformed Ukraine. That was plan A.

However, plan A failed. As is usual with the Khokhols, that 2 out of 3 people are always traitors. The same happened here, as the Kiev elites became scared, became terrified; the West clicked its tongue at them, and that was it. They rolled back,nobody had started any uprising in Kiev, they didn’t bring the keys to Kiev out for us. That’s when plan B went into action. Plan B consisted of the systematic destruction of the entire military infrastructure and the slow and gradual finishing off of the rest of it. Therefore, we rolled back. The troops were pulled back to a friendly territory, where we had no evil rear. We know that those behind us won’t shoot us in the back. We created this powerful “horseshoe”. And we suck all their forces in there, everything that they are willing to throw at us.

In other words,this is where we are slowly grinding down their military forces. They keep throwing new reinforcements, new weapons in there. The West keeps throwing whatever it can in there. However, we are sustaining much lower losses, considerably lower losses, about an order of magnitude lower as opposed to what we would have been sustaining, had we been advancing on Kiev or Zaporozh’e, as we are slowly and calmly destroying all of their military infrastructure,including attempting to destroy the maximum number of highly trained troops. When only territorial defense forces, consisting of insane people with sticks and machine guns, remain, it will get easier.

Our next goal will be Nikolaev/Odessa. Ukraine must be cut off from the Black Sea at all costs, because our Black Sea fleet is not safe,as long as Ukraine has access to the Black Sea. And we’ll have access to Transnistria. Transnistria will also be in the safety zone, we’ll protect our people there. And then, more likely than not, it wouldn’t be bad if we could perform a powerful unified advance together with Belarus from two sides, with Belarus from the North and us from the South, from Transnistria to cut Ukraine off its Western border, from Poland and Romania. In other words, to fully block Ukraine from all Western deliveries. That would be the moment,starting with which order could be calmly restored, the elites would be replaced, the blood-suckers that have terrorized Ukraine for the last 8 years would be jailed, and so on.

Of course, understanding all these plans, the West will play various dirty tricks. They will cause an uproar in Lithuania, may try to pounce on Kaliningrad; they will most likely pounce on Transnistria through Romania (Romanians will creep through Moldova), and Poland will creep onto Ukrainian territory with an ostensibly peacekeeping mission, trying to overtake, to bite off at least the Western regions of Ukraine. Thus,quite serious clashes with the NATO block are possible. Clearly, one must not rush at this point.

Putin is not throwing the newest weapons (into the battle) at this point, he’s using only old tanks, such as T-62’s, T-70’s, T-80’s. It seems that the T-90“Breakthrough” has now been observed in Donbass. However, it seems to me that only older equipment is being used now, primarily, in order to dispose of it, because disposal is expensive, and secondly because there’s plenty of it to grind through everything that Ukraine is capable of putting against it. However, when the NATO block creeps in, we must have powerful reserves in order to deal with the NATO block in all seriousness.

Nothing will stop with just Ukraine. This is just the beginning, and a fairly serious mess is in the future. Therefore, all those who are now yelling: “Let’s strike on Kiev now!”, well, yes, perhaps it would be great to do so now, while running on emotions, but that would bring a certain level of chaos into the control (of the operation). In other words, we could destroy the command centers and remove the insane Khokhols. However, as the next step, NATO would have to take action to take control over Ukraine and to start controlling everything on its own, which would make it more difficult for us. Therefore, it’s better to keep dealing with these morons. Let them control these troops, while we are grinding them down. When the time comes, the morons in Kiev will be dealt with. It seems, it’s too early to do so now.

Therefore, it’s clear that the people of Donbass are suffering, Donetsk is suffering, but these are the last months of their suffering. More likely than not, the stronghold in Avdeevka will be surrounded and destroyed, and Donetsk will be in deep rear, like Mariupol is now. Nobody’s touching or bombing Mariupol now. Donetsk will be liberated some day. Clearly, there are people tired of the war, there are people who hate Russians because they didn’t help in the right way, not quickly enough, not fast enough, but it’s not everyone.

There’s a certain journalist named Anatoly Shariy, whose people are currently interviewing people in Mariupol and he posts them Youtube. The majority, about 95% of city residents speak of Azov fighters with hatred, they speak about the crimes they committed in the city. There are no words of anger or hate towards Russians, who liberated them. There’s regret that the city was destroyed, that people had lost their apartments, however,in general most people are in high spirits, because the future holds no darkness that was lingering over them. The same will now be felt by people in Melitopol, in Kherson, in Tokmak, in liberated areas. They will see that life in Russia is much more fair, honest, and better than under the rule of nazis. They will have better social safety net programs, better retirement support, they will have a functioning electrical and gas infrastructure, they will not have such high utility bills. As the end result, they will feel that there’s a change for the better, and gradually even the skeptics will calm down.

For now everyone must remain patient. And one can only wish for Putin to remain patient. He has a very serious and difficult job,because very serious players are up against him, very powerful players, including the domestic fifth column – the bankers, social leaders, the liberal block of the government, and so on. All of them desire to somehow roll back to the past, as “everything was just peachy, everything was fine, we had our palaces, our families, our airplanes, our yachts… What are you doing, Putin, what have you done to us, you cut off our oxygen supply.” Clearly, this is where he’ll have to replace the elites. And if that is to be done, it must be gradually done starting now, with the support of the power block, gradually changing the attitudes within the society, in order to bring about a powerful societal demand for change within Russia. And that could result in us actually making it, because this is a war for life or death. We will not be allowed to step aside, saying:“Let’s just leave everything as is, let’s go back to February24th.” The West is on a mission to grind us into a fine powder, rip us to shreds, reduce us to the level where we become completely harmless to them. They deeply regret that they were unable to complete this work during the Yeltsin/Gorbachev era. They had relaxed as they thought they had already won, clapping Yeltsin on the shoulder and laughing at him, thinking that they had Russia in their pocket. And suddenly it became clear that they had made a grave mistake by relaxing too early, by believing in their victory too early. Now they are reaping bitter fruits.

And we have just two options: return with the shield or on the shield. Either we put them back in their place and eventually mark our borders with red lines, beyond which they cannot stick their noses, or we roll back to the liberal darkness, and that’s when they would obtain another colony to rob for the next 50 years or so, and live prosperously and richly by ransacking our country. Thus, I think, we all need to consolidate and help each other in one way or another. Currently, the All-People’s Front is collecting money on their website, there’s a button to transfer money. People do transfer money. Yesterday an announcement was made at my work,everybody gave what they could, and there were 65 million rubles collected by evening in order to help the armies of Donetsk and Lugansk. This financial support is meant to buy the guys bulletproof vests, necessary weapons, drones and so on, because they are basically a militia. Clearly, the Ministry of Defense provided them with a bit of weapons, some uniforms.

However, hopefully there are sufficient supplies for our own army, so it’s better that people unite to help. This is how it was during the Great Patriotic War(WWII), people helped to the best of their abilities, worked at factories, and so on. It is the same now. Don’t stay away as if“it’s not our war, (it’s just) somebody fighting somewhere, and we’re going out for coffee and dancing.” When Russia participated in the Russian-Japanese war, similar attitudes were prevalent in the society: “This is not our war, this is happening somewhere far.” As a result, we lost that war. Neither the people, nor the elites understood the point of the war and did not support it. The same took place in 1914, during WWI, as everybody relaxed, which almost lead to the country breaking apart. However,during the Great Patriotic War, the government managed to organize the society, to consolidate it. The entire fifth column was cleansed out.

People recall 1937, but that was a forced measure. All people, who could be working for the enemy, were removed from power,from all dangerous facilities. Only those, who were loyal to the country, to the Motherland, and who were ready to shred (the enemy)with their teeth, remained. And, as a result, after resisting for 4years, we really did shred them. The unified Europe was defeated. The entire Europe, short of Greece and Serbia, worked for Hitler. Currently, the same is happening, only now Greece is also against us, with just Serbia being for us. Thus, it’s practically the same attack (on us), and we must stand up to it. Therefore, whether some approve or disapprove of Putin’s politics, whether they support it or not, it doesn’t matter now. We must be shoulder to shoulder here, domestically. We’ll figure it out later. For now the mission is to win the war.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1582126168542969856

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[Isserley]

This letter, from a Russian Spetsnaz [Special Forces] officer written to his mother...

Hi, I don't know if it's true, but this letter doesn't sound like it is intended for his mother. It's too cold and sounds like some kind of briefing.
The mother could only be interested in how her child is doing and not so much in the economic - political past, present and future of Russia and Europe.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1583022150125989888
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[Tintin]

Now, if only we had someone close to this as UK PM perhaps we'd start getting somewhere, who knows.

Clare Daly Irish MEP, on fire here, again:

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1583086757028847616

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[Matthew]

Now, if only we had someone close to this as UK PM perhaps we'd start getting somewhere, who knows.

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Not sure which UK you've been in over the last few years but we're well past hoping the next PM will be ok if you ask me. For example, this is what our new Home Secretary just said:

https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1582650333037092864


I don't have enough good faith left in UK politics to even be snide. More like the end is neigh and this is what the slide down looks like :rofl: :Cry:

[Gwin Ru]

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1583022150125989888
1583022150125989888That French journalist's name is Anne-Laure Bonnel: https://twitter.com/al_bonnel

[avid]

Does one get the distinct impression UK is being coralled/manouevered into the WEF globalists trap, and we just sit at home being impoverished allowing this ghastly scenario unfold before our soap-opera eyes? WAKE UP UK - we are being sacrificed. :facepalm:

[Tintin]

Footage of Putin's visit to the training ground in the Ryazan region where mobilised troops are being trained October 20 2022

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[Bill Ryan]

Does one get the distinct impression UK is being coralled/manouevered into the WEF globalists trap, and we just sit at home being impoverished allowing this ghastly scenario unfold before our soap-opera eyes? Yes!! :)

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

A Russian aircraft released a missile near a British aircraft patrolling in international airspace over the Black Sea on 29 September, defence minister Ben Wallace said on Thursday.

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https://euobserver.com/world/156291

Orbán keeping Nato in the dark on Finland and Sweden

Concern is growing in Budapest that Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán is delaying ratification of Finland and Sweden's Nato accession for political reasons.

"There are rumours going round [in Hungarian political circles] that it might be because of Russia, because of the close relationship between Orbán and [Russian president Vladimir] Putin," Ágnes Vadai, a senior MP from Hungary's opposition Democratic Coalition party, told EUobserver.

"Finnish and Swedish accession will make Nato stronger and that's not in Russia's interests," she said.

Nato members agreed unanimously at a summit in Madrid in June to let the two countries join.

The two Nordic nations already take part in Nato meetings as "invitee" members, but aren't covered by its mutual defence clause until all 30 Nato states ratify enlargement.

Some four months later, 28 out of 30 have done so already, leaving only Hungary and Turkey to make up their minds.

"So far, this has been the quickest ratification in Nato's modern history," a Nato official said.

'Dirty political games'

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has made ratification conditional on Finland and Sweden's extradition of alleged Kurdish terrorists, amid ongoing talks on the issue between Ankara, Helsinki, and Stockholm.

But Hungary's parliamentary vote was meant to be a done deal, given that Orbán's ruling Fidesz party as well as the Hungarian opposition have publicly backed the move.

"The [Swedish] government does not believe that Hungary has any outstanding questions surrounding the ratification of Sweden's and Finland's Nato applications," the Swedish foreign ministry said.

"Hungary's foreign, justice and defence ministers have all openly stated that they support Sweden's and Finland's applications," it added.

But for Vadai, Orbán's calculations might include what she called "dirty political games" that go beyond his friendly ties with Moscow.

"Orbán also has close ties with Ankara, not just politically, but also in terms of business ties, and Erdoğan doesn't want to be left alone as the only Nato country blocking [Finnish and Swedish] accession," she said.

"It would help Turkey's position, if Erdoğan can say: 'Look — even some EU countries also have doubts'," she added.

"A third reason [for the delay] could also be access to EU funding, because Finland and Sweden are part of the club saying funds should be withheld [due to Orbán's abuse of rule of law at home]," she also said.

The Hungarian foreign ministry did not reply to EUobserver's questions.

Accession can't be blocked indefinitely

Fidesz MPs are also keeping their domestic and Nordic peers in the dark, Vadai said. "They don't tell us anything," she said.

"When Finnish and Swedish delegates asked them about the delay while we were in Kigali, they blamed the delay on 'practical problems' with the parliamentary agenda, but that simply isn't true," she added, referring to conversations in the margins of an international parliamentary conference in Kigali this weekend, which she attended.

It wasn't true, she said, because the Hungarian parliament, which resumed work on 26 September after its summer recess, could already have voted on the subject on 4 October if Orbán had wanted to.

It could complete the process in 24 hours with a four-fifths majority vote under a special fast-track procedure.

MPs will decide the agenda of the next session, due on 24 October, later this week in a moment of truth, she noted.

There will also be voting opportunities in November and December, she added.

Vadai said Orbán cannot block the process indefinitely given the overwhelming support for Nordic enlargement in the West.

"He knows that, as an EU and Nato member, he can't do this," she said. "It's also in Hungary's national security interest," the shadow defence minister added.

But if Orbán is trying to help Erdoğan, then Hungary might drag things out into next year, given suspicion among EU diplomats that the Turkish leader won't give the green light before Turkish elections in June 2023.

"Sweden is engaged in ongoing dialogue with Turkey and Finland concerning the trilateral agreement [on counter-terrorist cooperation] signed at the Nato summit in Madrid," the Swedish ministry said.

"Further meetings are expected," it added.

The Finnish foreign ministry declined to comment.

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Tintin]

20 October 2022 18:36
Statement by Mr. Konstantin Vorontsov, Deputy Head of the Delegation of the Russian Federation, Deputy Director of the Department for Non-Proliferation and Arms Control of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, at the Thematic Discussion on Other Weapons of Mass Destruction in the First Committee of the 77th Session of the UN General Assembly, New York, 19 October 2022

Source: MFA Russian Federation
(https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1834494/)

Mr. Chair,

We strictly adhere to our obligations under the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC) that outlawed the entire category of weapons of mass destruction (WMD). The BTWC should remain a reliable tool for reducing the threat of using biological agents as weapons and contribute to developing international biological cooperation for peaceful purposes. The utmost effectiveness of the Convention can be achieved only through the full implementation of its provisions by all States Parties, which could be ensured, in its turn, solely by adopting a legally binding Protocol to the Convention establishing a credible and efficient verification mechanism.

In order to address the issues in place around the implementation of the BTWC provisions by the United States and Ukraine with reference to the military and biological activities in the Ukrainian territory, Russia, in accordance with Article V of the BTWC and final documents of the Second and Third Review Conferences, initiated a Consultative Meeting of the States Parties. Despite all our efforts, we have not received exhaustive answers to the submitted detailed specific claims regarding those States' compliance with the provisions of Articles I and IV of the Convention. The issues remain open and pending solutions. To settle the current outrageous state of affairs, it is imperative to continue with their meaningful consideration within the BTWC, and specifically discuss the outcomes of the Consultative Meeting and follow-up activities at the Ninth Review Conference of the Convention. It is important, at the same time, not to be limited to consultations and exchange of views only but to engage the entire toolbox envisaged by the Convention, including Article VI of the BTWC, in order to investigate the violation of provisions of the Convention by the US and Ukraine.

The outcomes of the Meeting unveiled once again the vital need for institutional strengthening of the Convention. The whole spectrum of Russian initiatives is aimed at solving this task:

– creating mobile bio-medical units within the BTWC to assist in case of biological weapons use, investigate such use, and assist in combating infectious diseases of various origins and in training;

– establishing a Scientific Advisory Committee under the Convention to assess achievements in science and technology relevant to the Convention and to make appropriate recommendations;

– improving confidence-building measures by incorporating data on military and biological activity abroad into the reporting form;

– establishing a group of governmental experts within the BTWC to develop a specific mechanism for implementing Article VI of the Convention to investigate possible violations of the BTWC.

The proposal regarding Article VI of the BTWC does not in any way call into question the independent status of the UN Secretary-General's Mechanism for Investigation of Alleged Use of Chemical and Biological Weapons (SGM). On the contrary, these international instruments could complement each other with respect to the application of the BTWC and the 1925 Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare.

Russia confirms its interest in strengthening the expertise and technical capacity of the SGM and intends to continue contributing to the overall efforts of the global community. In terms of the practical application of the SGM, we attach great importance to its principles and procedures (Annex I of UN document A/44/561). However, these principles and procedures, except for the annexes, have not been updated since their approval by UNGA resolution 45/57C of 4 December 1990. With a view to proceeding with the effective use of the SGM, the Russian Federation is submitting a draft resolution to the First Committee of the UNGA for consideration. We ask for support and co-sponsorship.

Mr. Chair,

The Russian Federation stood at the origins of the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction (CWC) and has consistently advocated its strengthening. Our country is implementing in good faith the obligations assumed under this international treaty. In 2017, we destroyed one of the largest arsenals of chemical weapons three years ahead of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) deadline. We urge the United States, that have the financial and technological capacity to eliminate the remaining stockpiles of toxic substances as quickly as possible, to follow our example.

The situation at the OPCW itself continues to deteriorate. Euro-Atlantic allies led by the United States are deliberately pursuing a destructive policy of further politicizing the activities of this multilateral platform, which is technical in its purpose. Russia, along with Syria, is already being attacked with unfounded accusations of violations of the CWC. Insinuations about the "Skripal case" and the alleged "poisoning" of Alexey Navalny have already been supplemented by accusations that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are allegedly preparing the use of toxic chemicals or chemical weapons. This is against the background of the fact that since December 2021 we have been warning of possible provocations by Ukrainian formations, including with the direct involvement of foreign special services and private military companies, at chemical sector facilities in the south and south-east of Ukraine.

The Russian Federation has consistently opposed the unrestrained politicization by Western countries of the activities of the OPCW, which is moving further and further away from its original purpose: a key instrument for chemical disarmament and non-proliferation. We intend to continue to make every possible effort, together with our partners and supporters, to restore the spirit of consensus within the OPCW and the authority of this international structure.

Thank you.

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Comment by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on the detention of several Russian citizens at the request of US authorities

Source: MFA Russian Federation (https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1834464/)

We consider the detention of Russian citizens in Italy and Germany at the request of the US Department of Justice for their subsequent extradition to the United States a continuation of Washington’s large-scale campaign to capture Russians whom they have “allegations” against and to have them subsequently and definitely convicted by the US punitive justice system for long terms of imprisonment.

The cynicism of this situation is that it’s about taking hostages for further use for political purposes. This time again, the charges are being brought extraterritorially in connection with alleged violations of the US national sanctions legislation. Given that Washington is actually involved in the situation in Ukraine as a party to the conflict, this is another attempt to organise demonstrative reprisals in order to intimidate the business community in Russia and abroad.

Clearly, the US law enforcement agencies and intelligence services will continue to expand their efforts to track down Russian citizens. No doubt, these hostile actions will not remain unanswered.

The Russian Foreign Ministry once again calls on anyone who has even the slightest reason to believe that the United States might be “interested” in them to refrain from travelling to any foreign country that is unfriendly to Russia, or the countries with which Washington has signed bilateral extradition treaties.

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Gwin Ru]

[...]
That French journalist's name is Anne-Laure Bonnel: https://twitter.com/al_bonnelOooopsss... my mistake the BFMTV reporter is a BFMTV journalist whose name is Anne-Laure Banse; whereas Anne-Laure Bonnel produces independent documentaries.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/news/565043-eu-iran-drone-sanctions/

EU sanctions Iran over Ukraine drone strikes

The European Union has adopted a new set of sanctions targeting Iranian officials and one entity for allegedly supplying Russia with ‘kamikaze’ drones that have been used against Ukrainian forces in recent weeks. Both Moscow and Tehran have repeatedly denied the allegations.

After three days of talks, the Czech presidency of the EU Council said on Thursday that the new anti-Iran sanctions were approved “in record time.” The measures have now officially come into force after being published in the EU’s Official Journal, the bloc’s legal register for EU regulations.

The sanctions will freeze the assets of three Iranian generals and drone maker Shahed Aviation Industries. The EU claims they are responsible for delivering Shahed-136 suicide drones to Russia, which allegedly rebranded them as Geran-2 (Geranium-2). The bloc says it is also prepared to “extend sanctions to four more Iranian entities that are already featured in a previous sanction list.”

Iran’s supreme leader lauds ‘dangerous’ drones
Iran’s supreme leader lauds ‘dangerous’ drones
Moscow, meanwhile, has maintained that all weapons used by Russian troops on the battlefield in Ukraine, including the Geran-2 UAVs, are from domestic stockpiles and has repeatedly dismissed accusations from American, European and Ukrainian officials of using Iranian-supplied drones. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has claimed that Russia acquired as many as 2,400 of the UAVs.

Tehran has also denied delivering its domestically-produced drones to Russia. Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has ridiculed the West for claiming Iran’s drones are “dangerous” when it had previously dismissed the country’s UAV program as a propaganda stunt.

Last month, Ukraine cut diplomatic ties with Iran over the alleged supply of weapons to Russia. Washington, meanwhile, has accused Tehran of violating the terms of the 2015 UN Security Council resolution that imposed an embargo on Iranian arms exports.