WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Open Minded Dude]

We again have a war presidency with Biden/Harris for sure. The agenda seems clear.

The US now without doubt prepares and helps Ukraine for war against the Donbass. The Donbass also prepares for war and started for the first time a conscription of young men fit for military service. This could become very 'hot' very soon. This seems dangerous since it could possibly escalate even into a WW3 scenario.

This is information by a Russia insider and investigative native German reporter who lives in Russia and reports for a German alternative news site (Nuoviso) mostly about Russian affairs or the Russian view of international affairs.

So far I have not found a more detailed and comprised info than this one on a lot of alternative or mainstream English sites. But there will soon be some for sure.

Therefore I use this article and applied the Deepl.com translator (https://www.deepl.com/translator said by many to be the best) for a translation into English from the German source text. I also include an English RT article about the situation below it.

I so far find T. Roeper's writing always realistic and fact based although I did not always agree with some conclusions. Yet it is often down to earth and no nonsense talk mostly.

Here is still the original article if s.o. is relatively fluent in German:

https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2021/was-fuer-einen-krieg-die-usa-gegen-russland-vorbereiten/

If you can listen to German then here is the interview on Nuoviso, the impending and seemingly unavoidable Donbass war is the first of several topics.

https://nuoviso.tv/home/tacheles/18-uhr-fies-aber-geil-tacheles-57/

Translation (deepl):

What kind of war the USA is preparing against Russia

There was a commentary on Russian television that makes one think and worry, because the logic cannot be dismissed. The new US administration is heading for war is playing with fire. And it is in Europe.

from Anti-Mirror
March 29, 2021 00:58 AM

I keep reporting on how the situation in Ukraine politically, but also militarily in the Donbass, is getting worse since Joe Biden took office as US president. Everything points to an imminent Ukrainian offensive, and in Kiev the opposition and the last media critical of the government are being eliminated at the same time. Meanwhile, new arms shipments continue to arrive in Ukraine from the United States. I report on this regularly in my "Ukraine Updates," the latest of which you can find here.

And you don't hear a word about all this in the Western media. It is not even reported in the West that Kiev has already openly abandoned the Minsk Agreement. And the fact that the Western states, including Germany, recently voted at the OSCE against a simple resolution calling for the implementation of the Minsk Agreement, the "quality media" did not report either.

The West is also already openly turning away from the peace plan for the Donbass. But the new fierce war is supposed to come as a complete surprise to the public in the West and, of course, the media will accuse Russia of having started the war.

In the program "News of the Week" on Russian television, the presenter in a commentary put one and one together and mentioned the possible scenarios and I translated it.

Start of translation:

In the program "News of the Week" we want to tell not only about events, but also about phenomena. To look at phenomena or sequences of incidents or words, we consider important already for this reason, to be prepared for future events. After all, events are also prepared. In my opinion, the West is now preparing nothing more and nothing less than a war against us.

The scale of the war is not really clear yet, but America hopes, first, that it can control the scale of a military conflict. Second, it hopes that a war, as in times past, will not touch United States territory. And third, the United States hopes that a war will benefit it, as usual. At least that was the case in the two world wars, after which America, having shed little blood of its own, was swimming in wealth while both allies and adversaries were in a much worse position.

Now it looks like America is up to something similar. And there is a phenomenon that demonstrates that quite convincingly. We are talking today about the words that prepare for war, planting in minds the thoughts of the inevitability of conflict and naming in advance the culprits. These words are heard much more frequently since the arrival of the new administration in the United States. And in Europe, one hears their echo.

"Russia is a dangerous neighbor!" EU chief diplomat Josep Borrell said before the start of the NATO ministerial meeting in Brussels. By the way, recently in Moscow Borrell behaved decently, but now in Brussels he parroted everything in the presence of US Secretary of State Blinken.

And this is Anthony Blinken, the US Secretary of State, in Brussels. "We will take decisive action against Russian aggression, against actions that undermine our alliances," the politician said.

What Russian aggression is Blinken talking about? NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg deciphers the puzzle: "Despite years of pressure and efforts to engage Russia in constructive dialogue, Russia is reinforcing the pattern of its repressive behavior inside the country and its aggressive behavior outside its borders. NATO countries have pointed to Russia's misinformation and propaganda, its attempts to influence elections, cyberattacks, and use of chemical weapons against political opponents both inside and outside Russia."

Interestingly, this is all unsubstantiated, but it's repeated so often that we're supposed to get used to it. And then there's the U.S. President's National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan: "We believe that relations with Russia will face a difficult time. They will face serious challenges. They're going to demand that America defend its interests."

In psychology, there is the concept of "projection," when a person projects his fears, his desires, and his intentions from himself onto others, and thus actually attributes to another what he himself has in his heart. This is exactly the kind of projection that Putin compared to a childhood story in response to Biden's insults: As you call others, so you are yourself. The same is now true of Russia's "aggression" that we hear about so often and obsessively from the West. And in my opinion, Nikolai Patrushev, Secretary of the Russian Security Council, has correctly dissected the American rhetoric.

"My American colleague James Sullivan predicts difficult days ahead for the United States in its relations with Russia. This is not the first such statement by U.S. officials. We know this, but I want to emphasize that if they're predicting it, they're planning it. And if they plan it, they can implement it. But then they will be responsible for the actions that follow," Patrushev said.

And as a follow-up, U.S. Defense Secretary General Lloyd Austin on the Senate floor: "The primary objective of U.S. relations with the Russian Federation in the area of security should be to deter Russia from actions against the vital interests of the United States, including by protecting our allies from military aggression."

Again, Russian aggression. At the same time, America is preparing aggression. Right now there are two American missile cruisers hanging around in the Black Sea. What are they doing here? On the other side of the world as seen from them. And overall, the activity of the NATO Navy off our coasts has increased many times over in the last year. These data were given by the Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov, and he added that "the number of U.S. strategic air force flights near the Russian state border has also increased." As for the reconnaissance aircraft, their visits to us have increased by a third in the last year. That is, the words that prepare for war are not just words.

China faces roughly the same problem. Verbal accusations against Beijing of repression and aggression are followed by an increased U.S. military presence near China's borders. In addition to virtually constant military exercises in the Yellow Sea, the Americans have permanently stationed the destroyer Rafael Peralta in Japan, and in March it was reported that U.S. missiles would be stationed on the islands of the East China Sea and South China Sea, in case of "potential Chinese aggression," of course. The missiles mean new U.S. missile bases on the islands. The document about it has already been sent to Congress for approval. The requested budget for the project is $27.4 billion. Not bad.

All this together means that Russia and China should move closer together and not just stand back to back, but cooperate more actively and form a global construct for peace.

Listen to what the commander of U.S. forces in Europe and commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe, General Tod Walters, says: "Russia is committing malicious acts designed to destabilize the entire world, many of those actions are being committed in Europe. Russia continues to pose a threat to the very existence of the United States and our European allies."

And this after NATO expansion eastward to our borders under conditions where the defense budget of "aggressive" Russia is one-seventeenth that of America! And the military budget of the NATO countries together, so ostentatiously trembling before Russia, is more than a trillion dollars a year, 23 times more than ours! Is the level of corruption there that unimaginable, or is it an unimaginable level of paranoia? Most likely, there is preparation for war in these incredible figures of military budgets of our potential friends.

Are the NATO countries going to fight Russia? Directly? No. Their states and their civil societies are not in the necessary condition for it. All of them are flabby and helpless. Covid has confirmed that. With this clear threat, with human casualties in NATO countries already well over a million, the NATO mechanism has been shown to be meaningless. Yet this was a test of its ability to protect its peoples. But instead of protection and solidarity, we have seen mutual theft of masks, humiliating bickering over vaccines, and stoking anti-Russian fears even against Sputnik-V.

But America must contain Russia - with war if necessary. So far, everything - including promises of support - looks like sending Ukraine to slaughter - against the Donbass. The blame for the war will be placed on Russia, and they are already talking in advance about "holding Russia accountable for the aggression" and so on. And then come new sanctions and so on. This is the plan in America now. Ukraine in the plan is just consumables for ignition.

End of translation

Another article (first parts) from Russia Today:

Kremlin says situation in Donbass ‘frightening’ as Ukraine calls on NATO & Washington for support in event of conflict with Russia

Moscow has warned that fighting is escalating in eastern Ukraine, insisting that the region must avoid a full-scale conflict, as Kiev asks NATO to step up its local combat readiness and says the US would come to its aid in a war.

Speaking to journalists on Friday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that a series of military clashes in the Donbass region was a cause for concern. “Unfortunately for us,” he said, “the reality on the line of contact is quite frightening, and not just one, but many, provocations by the Ukrainian Armed Forces are taking place.”

Kiev insists that Russia is building up troops near the shared border and blames separatists, who have previously received support from Moscow, for breaking a ceasefire. “Russia’s current escalation is systemic, [the] largest in recent years,” Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dimitry Kuleba said in a statement issued earlier this week. Kiev officials last week said that four of its soldiers had been killed by shelling during clashes with rebels in the east of the country. (...)

https://www.rt.com/russia/519963-kremlin-situation-donbass-conflict/

:(

[Mecklenburger]

This is a dangerous flashpoint, note your diary. On 1 May there is a NATO meeting in Brussels. The United States wants the Ukraine and Georgia to apply for membership of NATO. Russia has warned that if either does so it will mean war. It might be touch and go.

[Brigantia]

The US can rattle its sabres to its heart's content, but Europeans are well aware that war would spell disaster for them without their fuel imports on which they are so dependent:

"Russia is the main EU supplier of crude oil, natural gas and solid fossil fuels
The stability of the EU’s energy supply may be threatened if a high proportion of imports are concentrated among relatively few external partners. In 2018, almost two thirds of the extra-EU's crude oil imports came from Russia (30 %), Iraq (9 %) and Saudi Arabia, Norway, Kazakhstan and Nigeria (7 % each). A similar analysis shows that almost three quarters of the EU's imports of natural gas came from Russia (40 %), Norway (18 %) and Algeria (11 %), while almost three quarters of solid fuel (mostly coal) imports originated from Russia (42 %), the United States (18 %) and Colombia (13 %)."
(Source) (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2c.html)

[East Sun]

...and it should be his last, if indeed he is the president, which I doubt. When the ****s hits the fan and the
air clears we will see clearly what is what. Wait and see!!!

[s7e6e]

War should be banned, period. To fight and die for somebody else's disagreements is beyond stupid.

[Anka]

All the quantities of gas that our country imports - regardless of the names of the companies and the nationality of those who sell them to us - are of Russian origin. In addition, imported gas in this year was about 45% more expensive today.

In these conditions, the question is: why did Romania end up importing expensive resources from the Russians, given that it has the fourth largest natural gas reserve in Europe, being surpassed only by Great Britain, Norway and the Netherlands? it will not be a European war anyway.

"A hybrid war inventoried by asymmetric elements of influence: energy, economic, humanitarian, ecological, religious, ethnic and cultural. The mixed implementation of hybrid measures was also facilitated by certain specific conditions in Ukraine: the strong pro-Russian attitude of the Donbass population , volatile borders, endemic corruption, Russia's penetration of the country's defense, security and intelligence structures.

Russian hybrid warfare is based on the model of a real military campaign, where the propaganda is "the military aviation", troll factories are "diversionary detachments", hackers are "the rocket forces", Russian speakers are "The Fifth Column", NGOs and GONGOs are "the recruitment centers" and private armed units are "military wing".

Ukraine remains a case study for Russian hybrid warfare and despite the number of projects set up to counter Russian propaganda and disinformation campaigns, the overall impact is considered to be high. "

https://www.sri.ro/en


The Russian cold (one last cold kiss) is an irony of fate ,your feet can become cast in "concrete" , saliva and nostrils freeze, blood thickens, lips stick and the mind becomes heavy, "Vaseline" in the rifle freezes, and maybe, despite any equipment, first time the military will have to fight the cold, it's not a summer vacation with open puppet theater operations:).

Many are bored with "my brand is a crisis", a diplomatic curse of control without any historical aspiration or innovative vision outside of interests, and whoever enlists participates in a rather abominable form of stupidity with considerable losses as they were always.

Putin can still tolerate an "independent" Ukraine as long as it is "friendly" to Russia's national interests and, like any despot, trusts only his definition of this friendship. Putin is a great strategist...what are Biden's chances of a confrontation with Putin? Maybe Putin reminds him how many countries he destabilized, along with Obama, during his 8 years in office, with "their Arab springs", throwing them into chaos: Tunis, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Yemen… Plus they have put his tail in the coup attempt in Turkey.Or not. Only politics and lives lost in vain...

Whether we like it or not, Russia is the dominant power in Eastern Europe (Romania with experience under Russian domination and with a Romanian territory taken, knows through heavy sacrifices what it means); NATO camps can only carry out their "charm" and some small interventions, otherwise a lot of propaganda and a psychological war in less known contexts of perpetuation this time, however it is too complicated to be called, perhaps, war, and there will be no realistic solution to the current crisis unless Russia and Ukraine find a modus vivendi.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I read today that Putin is amassing troops in the Artic. Since the US borders no longer exist he will have no problem invading. (I guess that will fix the southern invader problem). Can anyone say Red Dawn!

[Patient]

I don't know, I bet there is a lot of stuff up there that we don't know about.

Boston Robotics probably has some giant mechanical polar bears and stuff. ;)

[Gracy]

I read today that Putin is amassing troops in the Artic. Since the US borders no longer exist he will have no problem invading. (I guess that will fix the southern invader problem). Can anyone say Red Dawn!

I don't think Putin's a stupid man, and invading the US would be a blunder of Biblical proportions.

The following makes much more sense, as well as further securing his northern flank:

Moscow has prioritised beefing up its military presence in the Arctic region, which is believed to hold up to a quarter of the Earth's undiscovered oil and gas.

Mr Putin has in the past cited estimates that put the value of Arctic mineral riches at £22trillion.

Russia, the US, Canada, Denmark and Norway have all been trying to assert jurisdiction over parts of the Arctic, as shrinking polar ice opens new opportunities for tapping resources and opening new shipping lanes.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9436661/Satellite-images-Putin-amassing-testing-huge-military-arsenal-Arctic.html

[Open Minded Dude]

I read today that Putin is amassing troops in the Artic. Since the US borders no longer exist he will have no problem invading. (I guess that will fix the southern invader problem). Can anyone say Red Dawn!

I never understood the Red Dawn scenario. Even on many alternative sites (e.g. Natural News) I often read how especially China (not Russia that much) will 'invade' the US. Nobody will invade the US. The US is the leading nuclear power and can blow any nation to smitherenes in minutes. Yes it can be done to them by Russia or China too (at least 100 times while NATO/US can do it to them even a 1000 times over). So I really don't get this stuff whenever it comes up.

[Patient]

I keep imagining trucks and tanks etc coming from the artic moving south through northern Canada and then they are all stuck in the mud...or as the locals call it ...moose mush. :)

[Mashika]

I read today that Putin is amassing troops in the Artic. Since the US borders no longer exist he will have no problem invading. (I guess that will fix the southern invader problem). Can anyone say Red Dawn!

I never understood the Red Dawn scenario. Even on many alternative sites (e.g. Natural News) I often read how especially China (not Russia that much) will 'invade' the US. Nobody will invade the US. The US is the leading nuclear power and can blow any nation to smitherenes in minutes. Yes it can be done to them by Russia or China too (at least 100 times while NATO/US can do it to them even a 1000 times over). So I really don't get this stuff whenever it comes up.

Russia alone has as many "official" bombs as all the NATO countries added together, currently Russia is the country with more nuclear bombs, and the ICBM missiles are more advanced and unnstopable by any defence system the US currenly has. Not sure where you got your numbers

And thats not even counting the around 3000 bombs Russia reclaimed from Ukrania in the 90's that were supposedly "destroyed"

The US is not the leading nuclear power, that's why they are in a hurry to develop new technologies, they are using tech from the 60's still, and their ICBMs are very old tech, not up to date for the current world standards

No one would invade the US, just as no one would invade Russia, there are battles that can't be won. Dead people don't win battles, and everyone would be dead

Also NATO has made lots of research into war with Russia and every simulation result always puts them on the losing end. They words not mine

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-apparently-gets-its-ass-handed-to-it-in-war-games-2019-3

The US doesn't have any possible way to stop modern Russian nuclear missiles, their defence systems were created for 60s and 70s tech and just updated over time, but are not modern at all (can't track modern missiles moving at hypersonic speeds, or hypersonic missiles that are not entering from earth orbit, for example)

Anyway that's just not going to happen, at least for now

[Patient]

There is no point to using nuclear weapons in a massive strike, or even a single one. One would bring them all and then all would be for naught.

The world is connected now is such a way that to destroy a part is to destroy itself. That is why the fight now is social and psychological. An attempt to take control of a place where everything is still operational, but the winner is the one with the most influence.

A rebel force in a skirmish at the border of a large country like Russia is like bringing out the knight in chess - the first move. It's presence is a show of force - of what could happen. Russia might have initiated the skirmish just to show people that is has a powerful knight, and it could use him. Just showing that it is there might be more powerful than actually moving it forward into battle.

Psychological power.

[Sérénité]

I often felt if this power clash does play out, as mentioned above, there would be similarities to Red Dawn. It’s a film that constantly pops up into my head.

But there would be no need for a turf invasion, or bombs. An EMP knocking out power on a wide scale area would do the trick. I think this would be the attack (or red flag more like)

[ExomatrixTV]

Russia may INVADE Ukraine in 2022. Here’s what could happen next.

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U.S. intelligence recently warned that 175,000 Russian troops may be involved in an invasion of Ukraine as early as 2022…which is less than two months away. Putin has wanted to annex his neighbor state for years, and now Biden’s botched handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal may have given him all the reasons necessary to forge ahead, BlazeTV researcher and writer Jason Buttrill tells Glenn. But, if an invasion happens, will the US get involved? And if so, in what capacity? Glenn and Jason discuss possible outcomes, and they describe how some of Biden's moves over the past year may have paved the way for such an event to occur…


Putin Sets World on Edge (https://www.foxnews.com/world/putin-world-russian-troops-ukraine-border) Amassing Russian troops along Ukraine Border

[DNA]

If I were Putin, I would converse with China and arrange to begin the Ukraine invasion when China invades Taiwan.
The US would have to pick it's poison, no way the US could tackle both those fronts with a jabbed army/navy.
The Pentagon seems to be actively destroying the military with gender concerns and critical race theory. The USA should not think their military is something of pride right now.

[Vangelo]

If I were Putin, I would converse with China and arrange to begin the Ukraine invasion when China invades Taiwan.
The US would have to pick it's poison, no way the US could tackle both those fronts with a jabbed army/navy.
The Pentagon seems to be actively destroying the military with gender concerns and critical race theory. The USA should not think their military is something of pride right now.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Not that I want any of this to happen but strategically, that is the move to make. And if, God forbid, they put out a joint statement as they invade (simply a statement signed off by them both), it would make the west reconsider any response because of the potential escalation.

[Bill Ryan]

If I were Putin, I would converse with China and arrange to begin the Ukraine invasion when China invades Taiwan.
The US would have to pick it's poison, no way the US could tackle both those fronts with a jabbed army/navy.
I hadn't read your post — and just now I was going to suggest exactly the same thing.

[JackMcThorn]

The U.S. won one single time since WWII; the 1991 invasion of Kuwait by Iraq [somewhere around 1oo days of action, fiercely swift].

The U.S., the military and it's intelligence are not winners, no dominating records of success. Countless failures and expensive failures to boot. Yet many nations will still request assistance from the americans. South Korea cried for help a few years ago and an american carrier group got on the scene sort of slower than they wanted and anticipated. The demands on america are for real, but the substance of the american war-fighter is lacking; and I mean in a senior war-fighting mentality.

Technology is not the only facet of a winning war-fighting machine. They say if you can fight in the jungle, you can fight anywhere. Well the U.S. lost bigtime in the jungles of Vietnam.

I think the americans are more beholden to Taiwan than to Ukraine. It would be wise for the U.S. to stay out of it much like the beginning of WWI and WWII when the americans got involved nearly two years into both conflicts. But they won't. They don't learn. Russia wasted 1o years in Afghanistan decades before america repeated history, wasting another over 1o years in that country.

America is not comprised of winners. [You sound like you are sore about america.] Because I am.

I watched a time elapsed video of the Chinese building an entire hospital in 1o days. In america, it can take 3 months to build a custom house. China does not mess around. They have the labour pool to get a lot done and quickly.

I don't know much about Russia but I get the feeling they are greedy as all h!ll. They own some extensive and rich territory as it is.

I think america will be losing in this scenario no matter how it plays out. Europe will certainly be at a loss. These will be trying times for millions of people and the modern aspects of warfare are scary indeed.

[mizo]

MSM reports an estimated 100,000 Russian troops sit on the borders of Ukraine.
Moscow has denied any plans to attack or invade Ukraine.

Today 90 tonnes of US "lethal aid" has arrived in Ukraine, It's the first shipment of a recently approved package of US military aid for Ukraine, and included ammunition for "front-line defenders".

US embassy in Ukraine have ‘requests staff evacuation’ amid war fears.

https://twitter.com/global_poli/status/1484900558116818945?s=20

Is this just a continuation of the ongoing usual bluster and rhetoric?

Or should we all be on war alert?

[Open Minded Dude]

Roeper's articles imv are the best source and analysis especially about this topic since he also translates a lot from the Russian media. (He is an investigative journalist who is German living in Russia and has also recently written an excellent book about the Plandemic - 'Inside Corona'). So here is the most recent one via googletranslate:

https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/die-russische-sicht-auf-die-vorgaenge-in-der-ukraine/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

January 22, 2022 3:30 p.m

Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, issued an official Russian statement on the situation in and around Ukraine at her press conference, which I am translating here without comment in order to convey the other side's point of view.

Start of translation:

Western and Ukrainian media and officials are more and more actively repeating their speculations about an impending Russian “invasion” of Ukraine. That's how they put it. We are convinced that the purpose of this campaign is to cover up information for the preparation of our own large-scale provocations, including military ones, which could have extremely tragic consequences for regional and global security.

Unfortunately, our fears have been confirmed by recent media reports citing official structures, sources and so on. For the past few days, the United Kingdom has been sending weapons to Ukraine with military transport aircraft from its air force. At least 6 flights were organised, each aircraft carrying up to 77.5 tons of cargo, that is about 460 tons of weapons in total. It has become known that man-portable anti-tank systems will be delivered for use in urban areas. Incidentally, the Ukrainian military is being trained by Western instructors at the Yavoriv military training ground in the Lviv region for precisely this type of warfare.

Canada has dispatched more than 200 special forces under the pretense of protecting its embassy and evacuating diplomats in an emergency.

Most extensive, however, is the military "support" - as they call it - from the United States of America. In the last few months alone, Washington has delivered 30 Javelin anti-tank missile systems and 180 missiles for Ukraine. The media had previously reported that a $20 million arms shipment was expected in January this year. In total, the United States provided Ukraine with military aid worth $2.5 billion from 2014 to the end of 2021, according to the Pentagon. Before the turn of the year, CNN reported that Biden gave Ukraine an additional $200 million for this purpose. In 2022, the US military budget provides $300 million for such spending.

In Ukraine, such support is seen as a license to conduct a military operation in Donbass. Ukrainian forces have not stopped shelling civilians in the east of the country. According to the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission in Ukraine, the number of ceasefire violations since New Year's Day has already exceeded three thousand.

Once again we are compelled to draw attention to the issue of rampant neo-Nazism in Ukraine. These days the Kyiv City Council renamed a public transport stop in honor of the leader of the Ukrainian Nationalist Organization, Robert Shukhevych, who had served in the SS, previously named after General Nikolai Vatutin, the liberator of the Ukrainian capital from the Nazis was. What else do you need? Does it need any more evidence of what's going on there? The well-known anti-fascist and head of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee Dolinsky reported on threats against his life by ultra-nationalists. Nobody wants to hear or see that either.Unfortunately, the strengthening of the neo-Nazi scene in Ukraine does not worry either our western partners or the relevant international organizations.

We call on Western countries to stop their aggressive anti-Russian information campaign and to stop promoting the militarization of Ukraine by drawing the country into NATO and to focus their efforts on encouraging the regime in Kiev to sign the Minsk agreement and implement other international obligations.

end of translation

[ExomatrixTV]

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source (https://gettr.com/post/pq04877df7)

[Kamikaze]

If you look for the past 2 years as wartime preparations to get things in order from the civilian side of things on the west everything makes sense war is at stake right now.

You had 2 years to prepare your stuff together for how it will be like under WW3 that might take some years to play through with huge humanitarian loses and disruptions.

Practice... All was a civilian game of play for the war. Was a long time since serious war was at the play in the west. Getting the whole of western society accustomed to wartime conditions in preplanned event so they can manage to some extent before **** really starts as has been planned to happen.

It's the final showdown to take down Russia according to all western players.
You did not hear the constant propaganda to vilify Russia for nothing.

[jaybee]

This situation is very concerning and I think we have to bear in mind that the Globalists want Russia... they want Putin gone and a Globalist friendly political structure put in place... and I think this is what it's all about - it isn't the American Military any more - it's the Globalist's (NWO) Military - and other military around the Western World (and NATO) will have been deeply infiltrated as well... I think Ukraine was considered the gateway into the Soviet Union in WW2 and it's probably still strategically thought of in that way now... and they have been building up to all this for many years....

Before Trump won the 2016 election and gatecrashed the NWO party, Hilary Clinton was banging the war drums in Russia's direction and now Biden is the Puppet President continuing in that direction...

:(

[Open Minded Dude]

I don't believe there will be a nuclear war between US and Russia directly although a kind of WW3 hot war will take place but with conventional weapons between Ukraine and Russia. NATO will withdraw or not take part. It is political aim for the US to have Russia the scapegoat and bogeyman (again) to drive it even more away from Europe and this is already achieved by it.

T. Roeper draws the same conclusion at the end of this article and it makes a lot of sense to me. It also confirms all the US think tank speakers' such as George Freedman's statements years ago who said the main US policy goal is (and always was!!!) to drive Europe and Russia further apart.

https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/die-chronologie-wie-die-usa-rund-um-die-ukraine-den-dritten-weltkrieg-riskieren/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

You don't have to share the Russians' concerns, but the question of whether Ukraine is worth a third world war should start to be asked in the capitals of the West - and especially Europe. Russia seems to be ready for anything in the event of a massive move by NATO forces into Ukraine, why is the West doing this? Especially since the US clearly says that they do not want war with Russia over Ukraine, which means that in the event of war, NATO will quickly withdraw from Ukraine.

The answer should be obvious: the US wants to involve Russia in a new and expensive proxy war right on the Russian border and in the middle of Europe. This is neither in the Russian nor in the European interest - not to mention Ukraine.

Why isn't a European leader waking up and standing up to the madness of the US?

[Mike Gorman]

My intuition is telling me that Biden/Harris have absolutely no involvement with this latest War Hawk stance from the USA, they are of course mere front line managers of the powerful, pernicious Pentagon bureaucracy and the inscrutable military/industrial complex. If these maniacs are planning to create a limited theater of warfare, much like the Vietnam/Iraq wars they will be tragically mistaken, this might spell THE move by China/Russia to seize the global reigns, to implement their vision of how the world should operate, with a vastly reduced and much weakened Western world unable to withstand them.
The U.K 'deep state' is showing its fangs to Russia, the old world gravitas now just comes off as being chest puffing from a vanquished geriatric club.
The enormous tragedy of it all will be the full consequences that we shall have to endure, as the ordinary folk of the world, this might be the BIG ONE.
Let's pray that our world will be spared, and the people allowed to live in peace, Amen.

[Mashika]

Since no one appears to be making a clear connection here, hopefully this will help in figuring out what's truly happening

There is no actual aggression from Russia, or any true build up the way the warmongers are pushing in all possible ways across the western media. That's a complete fabrication, that's why you have not seen the satellite, drones and other images they would be publishing, *if* they had some. You can't hide 100 thousand soldiers behind or under a tree, you can't hide all the logistic support that goes with it, no one can on this planet. And yet, it's all talk and more talk, why? Ask yourselves that

When the west media says "Russian" aggression, they are misrepresenting facts, for example, that Ukraine army has been again attacking Donbas sseparatists, and when they hit back, it's called Russian aggression. Day by day, there have been attacks from the Ukraine and into towns in Donbass, have you seen any news about it on west media? If the weapons the US and UK are sending, according to them, are not useful against an army like the Russian, then why send it? Obvious answer is, the separatist army at Donbass is vulnerable to those rocket launchers and other armament being sent. That's the main purpose of this fake hilarious and hysterical narrative, to arm the Ukranian army with "light" weapons that can't damage the Russians, but sure can damage the so far unnamed Donbass army

Why do you think the western media is so careful and walks around mentioning the separatist army currently working in Donbass? Why are they trying hard to avoid any mention of them? Short answer: Those separatists are actual Ukranians, directed by veteran Ukranian soldiers, full of volunteers and new cadets and so on. There is a very big effort to suppress the reality that in Donbass, the people fighting against Ukraine, are Ukranians as well

Imagine an honest media saying "The military separatist army of Donbass, created by a group of Ukranian veteran soldiers that rejected the coup-imposed nazi government in Ukraine, is facing a new attack supported by the US and UK, who have provided new and more advanced weapons the separatist army can't fight against. This is done under the guise of supporting Ukraine against 'Russian Aggression' "

It would not play good with the narrative, if western public understood the reality of the situation, "that the separatists are Ukrainian people trying to create their own separate state, and break all links to Ukraine because of the Nazi situation and government controlling that country". It could also cause empathy with them, as it caused with Taiwan and Hong Kong, and of course that must not happen

See this news, it is not in English but i post a translation below
https://rusvesna.su/news/1642168605



In December 2021, the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard suffered significant losses among the personnel. So, for a month of hostilities in the Donbass, the “square” lost at least 28 people in the form of “cargo 200” and about 80 more people in the form of “cargo 300”.


"cargo 200" means killed in action
"cargo 300" means injured in action

Here's the full english translation through google translate
https://rusvesna-su.translate.goog/news/1642168605?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

This was from December casualties, so this is already happening from at least one month, hard to publish this kind of news on western media, if you can't blame Russia for it, or if you have to explain to people why some of the people dead there are Ukranian born, and there were no actual Russian born nationals involved. How then you create that narrative that is being pushed so hard these days? You can't, so "let them die and wait for the guns and rockets, then we'll take over Donbass under any pretext and kill the separatists and call them 'Russian terrorists' "

So i'll say it again:

Ukranians are killing among themselves, just as if war broke between China and Taiwan, and this is hidden once again because it's not justifiable to send guns and rockets to an army doing this, it has to be completely hidden from public view that the separatists are in the exact same situation as Taiwan and HongKong are


And this is nothing new

[Mike Gorman]

There are some VERY involved analysis on this confrontation from several posters who seem to believe they have the only possible explanation, YES I am aware that Russia is not overtly offering aggression here, that Putin's regime is merely responding to NATO and the USA meddling with Ukraine and deploying increasing military hardware, missiles and much more on the border - Russia's response is one of a reasonable concern for its own sovereign integrity being disrespected!
This seems to be the only narrative the UK/USA/NATO alliance can offer, a hostile deplorable attitude, where they present a callous and unyielding intent to whittle away at the old USSR territories, look what happened in 2014, when they created a Coup in Ukraine, installing their own puppet leader - that was savage.
As people have observed, how would the U.K feel if Russia installed a missile system in the Netherlands, and began building its troops up throughout Europe - or the USA if Russia took up residence on the Mexico border?
Whatever the analysis, and whether or not clever journalists offer us their worldly wisdom and state this will not be a Nuclear 'hot war' - how do they really know. I mean opinions might be educated ones, but nobody can truly predict the outcomes, stop pretending you can! Let's see a little humility in these posts and less hubris - that would be refreshing.
I hope things do not deteriorate, but not one of us can call this, the situation could VERY WELL get out of hand, it will not take so very much when the precarious nature of what is at stake is fully realized.

[XelNaga]

Hi Friends,

With all respect to all you good people there, and I know that there are a lot of good and smart people in USA, but I have to say this: USA is the most evil entity in the world today, and all of us would have much better lives if USA vanished from the face of the Earth.

I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

The biggest problem that I see concerning USA is that the huge percentage of population is completely clueless about the rest of the world, and are totally brainwashed by MSM and blinded by politicians.

That is why USA government is doing all the evil deeds with support from their own people, ignorant people who could stop those evill deeds from happening.

When I see them saying "thank you for your service" to soldiers who are going aroung the world, causing trouble and killing innocent people and children, it's crazy.

Kind regards..

[chrifri]

interesting information from a former Texan who lives in the Donbass, 5 km away from the "frontline"

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/01/11/expect-escalation-of-conflict-in-donbass-and-ukraine-soon-says-foreign-correspondent-embedded-in-ukrainian-anti-fascist-brigade/

[chrifri]

some more interesting information, found on the saker blog

http://thesaker.is/an-aftermath-of-washington-post-zelensky-interview/

[ExomatrixTV]

Tucker: We're Moving Closer To War

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Russia Ramps Up More Troops At Ukraine Border

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Biden 'Bears A Lot Of The Blame' For Russia's Deployment Of Troops To Ukraine's Border: Sen. Cotton:

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[mizo]

Alternative viewpoint to the MSM narrative:

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1485532871637012482?s=20

[Open Minded Dude]

Whatever the analysis, and whether or not clever journalists offer us their worldly wisdom and state this will not be a Nuclear 'hot war' - how do they really know. I mean opinions might be educated ones, but nobody can truly predict the outcomes, stop pretending you can! Let's see a little humility in these posts and less hubris - that would be refreshing.
I hope things do not deteriorate, but not one of us can call this, the situation could VERY WELL get out of hand, it will not take so very much when the precarious nature of what is at stake is fully realized.

I agree, of course it can get out of hand. They are playing with fire and it can even lead to a hot war with US/Nato on one side and Russia on the other. Many posts you refer to were just about the plan/intent or reason for the military ramping up which I would crystallize into two separate ones (see my post and Malisa's):

1. Driving a (even wider) wedge between Russia and Europe by making Russia the ultimate threat (even bigger than during Cold War times) for the 'rest' of Europe
2. Supporting the Ukrainian army against the Donbass freedom fighters to win the war by supplying heavy weaponry and tech

But yes, you are reight, these crazy 'plans' or 'intentions' can get out of control and is VERY dangerous. No doubt. We need to hold our breath here.

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1485687865765945344?s=20

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https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1485693767042711552?s=20

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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1485621617631932418?s=20

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[Bill Ryan]

An interesting snippet of strategic analysis from General Jack Keane. When asked when Russia might possibly invade Ukraine, his answer was between 20 February and the middle of March.

That's because round about mid-March the frozen winter ground will begin to thaw, and moving heavy military vehicles into Ukraine is a lot easier when the ground is solid. But before that, Putin will be attending the Chinese Winter Olympics, and so he'd wait till that was over before launching any offensive.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gvv-xi7l64

[Denise/Dizi]

All I read here was "Kill all Americans" even the good and smart ones... innocent or not.

All I can say is WOW

(sorry I edited it and cut off the original post.. this is the link)


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-Biden-s-First-War-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia--WW3--&p=1477735&viewfull=1#post1477735

[pueblo]

Why do you think they call it a 'theatre of war'?

[ozmirage]

Instigating a war is the last gasp of an incompetent, ineffective, and useless administration.
Anyone who fails to get in line can be pilloried as unAmerican.

Bah, humbug.

[Pam]

Hi Friends,

With all respect to all you good people there, and I know that there are a lot of good and smart people in USA, but I have to say this: USA is the most evil entity in the world today, and all of us would have much better lives if USA vanished from the face of the Earth.

I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

The biggest problem that I see concerning USA is that the huge percentage of population is completely clueless about the rest of the world, and are totally brainwashed by MSM and blinded by politicians.

That is why USA government is doing all the evil deeds with support from their own people, ignorant people who could stop those evill deeds from happening.

When I see them saying "thank you for your service" to soldiers who are going aroung the world, causing trouble and killing innocent people and children, it's crazy.

Kind regards..

XelNaga,

I read this and then I reread it so that I could appreciate every word you are saying. I am a resident of the US and have been my entire life. What you are saying is so full of truth. I will defend nothing about the government of this country, nor will I defend myself in the pleasant malaise of my life as a citizen of the US, much of it believing to some degree the rhetoric and lies I have been spoon fed on one hand, while witnessing the devastation and damage of family members that went to senseless wars for senseless reasons and suffered their lifetimes for for the lies of psychopaths. I look at the outcome of it and we now have generations of varying degrees of entitlement, still believing we are "the good guys"

I just want to acknowledge my own part in perpetuating the lie and self deception.

[ozmirage]

I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

I would augment that with the point that the American "government" is not working for the people, nor the electorate, but for the CREDITOR, since 1933, and the capitulation of FDR's administration.
. . .
TL,DR version:
In 1933, thanks to 20 years of the Federal Reserve Act, the US went bust, repudiating their obligation (12 USC sec. 411) to redeem their notes ("dollar bills") with lawful money (gold coin). The creditor's agent, the Secretary of Treasury, became empowered to do "whatever" to deal with the emergency, as codified in Title 12 USC Sec. 95a,95b.
What most Americans are unaware, is that the Sec'y is also the U.S. governor of the World Bank and IMF (and a host of 'other' banks). And pursuant to 22 USC Sec. 286 SHALL NOT BE PAID BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
Trans: He does not work for the USA.
{I think that's what is called a conflict of interest...}
. . .
This is one of the things that I use to reinforce my advice to wear knee pads and Depends Adult diapers when reading law at the local county courthouse law library. You may fall to your knees, weeping, or pee yourself.
. . .
BTW - one of the things you agree to when you sign the "signature card" at your local bank is to AGREE TO THE RULES OF THE BANK. Have you ever bothered to read those rules? And what "bank" they might refer to?
Could it be the Federal Reserve Corporation, the fiduciary agent for the U.S. government, NATO, United Nations, etc?
And you've agreed to abide by the rules promulgated by "their" secretary, ahem, governor.

Now you know why the government rushes to bail out banks using taxpayer funds.

Yup, we're [rude expletive deleted]

more data:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93019-State-of-Emergency-extended-again--same-state-of-emergency-from-2001-&p=1095055&viewfull=1#post1095055
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90212-Republican-Form-of-Government&p=1065268&viewfull=1#post1065268

[Eric J (Viking)]

Looks like here in UK things are starting to ramp up, or being ramped up by design. Where is it all leading to...?


There’s now no question that the Western
powers are hellbent on pushing Russia into
war by provoking Putin to the point whereby
he has no choice but to protect the Motherland.

As follows:

Both the Globalists and Putin have already determined WAR in Ukraine is inevitable.
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=101793

“Ukraine is to WW3 what Poland was to WW2.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-lavrov-warns-blinken-return-military-confrontation-nightmare-scenario

Russian Fighter “APPEARS” Over Kiev!
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/shot-down-u-s-military-cargo-plane-disappears-from-flight-tracking-after-leaving-ukraine-and-violating-russia-air-space

Ukraine Hit by Huge Cyber-attack
https://www.rt.com/russia/546026-ukrainian-government-agencies-massive-cyberattack/

NWO Puppet & Ukraine President Zelensky Implicated with CIA/MI-6 in Kazakhstan Coup Operation
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=104796


U.S. Military Cargo Plane “Disappears” from Flight Tracking After Leaving Ukraine
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=104782

Viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

As war fears mount in eastern Europe, what are the key reasons for Russia to invade Ukraine?

Russia has amassed around 100,000 troops on Ukraine's border, leading to fears that Europe is at its greatest risk of war in decades.

Russia President Vladimir Putin has denied he plans to invade Ukraine, but the US, the UK, NATO and the EU have expressed scepticism.

US intelligence found Russia could invade Ukraine any day now, while the UK alleged the Kremlin was seeking to install a pro-Russian leader in Ukraine — an accusation denied by Moscow and by the politician referred to.

The US State Department is so worried about a Russian invasion that it has ordered the families of all American personnel at the US embassy to leave Ukraine.

On Monday night, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade increased its travel warning for Ukraine to "do not travel" and said Australians in the country should "leave now" due to the "increased risk of armed conflict".

But analysts have told the ABC that while Russia is unlikely to try to take over the entirety of Ukraine, it could be considering an invasion of separatist-controlled territories.

So, given that a military escalation between the countries is looking more likely, what are some reasons Russia might invade its neighbour?

To counter the West

Russia maintains that after the Cold War, the US and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) promised they would not expand eastward to the former Soviet states.

But Russia became alarmed by NATO's increasing closeness with Ukraine, which is seen by Moscow as a buffer between it and the West.

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/468aabc14c1a9de330be964116d6559f?src

Ukraine, and its access to the Black Sea, is strategically important to Russia. (Reuters)
"For us, it's absolutely mandatory to ensure Ukraine never, ever becomes a member of NATO," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said at a media conference earlier this month.

NATO's position is that Russia doesn't get to choose which countries join the alliance.

One of the justifications Russia gave for going to war with Georgia in 2008 was because it believed the former Soviet country was getting too close to the West.

Further reading

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-25/why-might-russia-invade-ukraine-explainer/100777020

Viking

[Bill Ryan]

Michael Flynn speaks out:


https://westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-biden-might-get-hundreds-millions-killed-ukraine

Exclusive from Gen. Flynn: Biden Might Get Hundreds of Millions Killed Over Ukraine

A remarkable failure of meaningful reporting about the massive military buildup in and around Ukraine in recent weeks results in most Americans having no idea how close we have been brought to armed conflict with the Russian Federation.

Even those Americans who have sought out news about Ukraine can do little more than watch from the sidelines as those currently leading our nation inch us toward a potential catastrophe.

​Although going to war is the most consequential decision that a nation can make, the people are rarely consulted by the elites, who are largely immunized from the consequences of their actions. If the people were actually consulted, wars would be rare events indeed.

​The rhetoric about the Ukraine conflict is out of control. President Joe Biden (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/12/biden-threatens-putin-during-video-call-on-ukraine/) threatens that Russia would “pay a heavy price” for any incursion into Ukraine. Secretary of State Antony Blinken (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-antony-blinken-secretary-of-state-face-the-nation/) warns of “massive consequences” for Russia. Sen. Roger Wicker (https://twitter.com/SenatorWicker/status/1468375689456152578) of Mississippi told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto, “We don’t rule out first-use nuclear action.” First-use nuclear action rhetoric is not only extremely dangerous, but these types of nonsensical remarks also threaten the stability of the entire world.

Policy wonks throw around the phrase “failure of imagination” when it comes to intelligence community failures. The entire Biden administration, along with the neocon defense and foreign policy thinks tanks in Washington, are failing to imagine the consequences of the dangers lurking in Eastern Europe currently.

War is not fair and is not meant to be. In fact, harking back to the failures in Afghanistan, during a recent State Department call, the following (https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1485415912706613249) was stated: “Given that the President has said military action by Russia could come at any time. The US Government will not be in a position to evacuate US Citizens. So US citizens, currently present in Ukraine should plan accordingly.” A stunning statement of failure!

​We are again living out the maxim that “truth is the first casualty of war.” If the people are to have a chance to stop a conflagration, the first step is to resist the propaganda barrage from the establishment media and learn the truth. Only then we can demand our government stop beating the drums of war.

​The Biden administration wants us to believe that Russia is seeking to regain its former greatness by overthrowing the government of Volodymyr Zelensky and replacing it with a puppet government that it would control. The neocon-dominated establishment in both of our political parties wants us to believe that the Soviet Union still exists and is inherently expansionary.

Just as the nation was sold a hoax about Russia having elected President Donald Trump in 2016, another illusion now is being sold. Do not believe a word of it!

​Russia has explained repeatedly it has one core concern (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/12/russia-is-risking-all-out-war-to-prevent-ukraine-from-joining-nato.html) — Ukraine being admitted into the NATO military alliance.

Responding to the buildup, a Russian official explained in a Tass article (https://tass.com/politics/1391077): “We are alarmed by reports some member-countries of NATO have stepped up the deployment of lethal weapons and military personnel to Ukraine.”

And if Ukraine were admitted into NATO, with its strategic location, Russian knows that NATO and the U.S. could place missiles literally on its border, creating an existential threat to Russia.

​While Russia’s concern is obvious, the Biden administration has never even tried to explain the existence of any vital national interest of the United States in Ukraine that could justify hostilities. For his part, Blinken has asserted the principle that Ukraine must have the right to join NATO and claimed that principle could never be compromised. The Russians understand that would likely result in nuclear weapons being placed at its doorstep — closer to Russia than Cuba is to the United States.

​It should be obvious that there is no equivalency of interest here. None. NATO was established to preserve the peace, and it would be a tragedy of immense proportions if its threatened Eastern expansion would become the principal cause of a devastating war.

​Let’s put the current conflict into a historical context. If President John Kennedy was justified in risking war to prevent nuclear missiles from being installed in Cuba in 1961, then why exactly is Russian President Vladimir Putin being reckless in risking war to prevent NATO weapons from being installed in Ukraine in 2022? Would any great nation allow the development of such a threat on its border?

​The world could have been thrown into war in October 1962 if Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev had not been willing to take into consideration the non-negotiable position that Kennedy was taking. Kennedy promised not to invade Cuba, and he later reciprocated Khruschev’s action by removing U.S. Jupiter missiles from Turkey. Both great nations acted responsibly, and the Cuban Missile Crisis (https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/cuban-missile-crisis) ended peacefully.

​The events of October 1962 remind us that there are great principles that govern how great nations must treat each other to preserve the peace.

Part of my training as an Army officer was to study The Law of Nations (https://www.lonang.com/wp-content/download/Vattel-LawOfNations.pdf) by Emer de Vattel. This historic work was instrumental in guiding the Founders of our nation as it declared independence from England and charted our own course in the world. It takes principles of natural law and applies those principles to nations. It is a remarkable book.

Two of the principles set out in that book are of critical importance right now, and our foreign policy masters need reminding from time to time of these principles.

First, “Every nation … has … a right to prevent other nations from obstructing her preservation … that is, to preserve herself from all injuries … called the right to security … It is safest to prevent the evil, when it can be prevented.” This principle is the basis for the Monroe Doctrine and was exactly Kennedy’s response to the threat of Russian missiles in Cuba.

Second, “Every nation is obliged to cultivate the friendship of other nations, and carefully to avoid whatever might kindle their enmity against her.” De Vattel then added: “Wise and prudent nations often pursue this line of conduct from views of direct and present interest; a more noble, more general, and less direct interest, is too rarely the motive of politicians.”

All parties involved must seek to re-identify and apply those natural law principles to the current crisis before the world slips off into the abyss. While politicians generally double down on overblown rhetoric, there is still hope statesmen will arise, act responsibly and preserve the peace.

The United States and the Russian Federation are great nations. However, these great nations each have thousands of nuclear weapons that could kill hundreds of millions.

With those as the stakes, it would be wise for Biden and Blinken to listen to what Putin is saying and consider why Russia believes its vital national interests are at risk. If the United States has no comparable national interest to that of Russia, that should be the basis for de-escalation.

My strongest recommendation for consideration by those deciding the potential fate of humanity is to listen again to something George Washington, our first president, said about politics and war: “[B]e honest and just ourselves and to exact it from others, meddling as little as possible in their affairs where our own are not involved. If this maxim was generally adopted, wars would cease …”

I am not pollyannish that war will forever cease; I am by nature a warrior. I do believe, however, from time to time, to be a nation at peace, we must return to our faith and our forefathers to remind ourselves what the real consequences of wars cause.

War is not fair — it is not meant to be — and a looming war with Russia would be anything but fair. Take that to the bank, if you can find one after a nuclear exchange.

[Lilyofthestars]

Quote Posted by XelNaga (here)
Hi Friends,

With all respect to all you good people there, and I know that there are a lot of good and smart people in USA, but I have to say this: USA is the most evil entity in the world today, and all of us would have much better lives if USA vanished from the face of the Earth.

I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

The biggest problem that I see concerning USA is that the huge percentage of population is completely clueless about the rest of the world, and are totally brainwashed by MSM and blinded by politicians.

That is why USA government is doing all the evil deeds with support from their own people, ignorant people who could stop those evill deeds from happening.


As someone from the United States, I am ashamed to live here and completely understand your sentiments. I have become quite isolated due to no longer fitting in with my liberal counter parts, nor do I fit in with the forever-Trump folks either. Both sides seem to totally support evil when it fits their purpose. There are not enough people who refuse to let either side of the political spectrum guide their thinking, decisions, or consciousness. In America, 98% of the people fall on one side of the line or the other, and you must be politically correct to the side you have chosen or 'GTFO'. Both sides are poisonous and corrupt. I can not even begin to detail how much Americans hate one another for not agreeing with "party line" cultural opinions.

In essence, I agree with every word you said. What's worse, is that should you have a good mind for critical thinking and research (not the "Critical thinking" taught to us by our liberal universities. I mean TRUE critical thinking), you are immediately isolated and clumped together with "Nutty Trump" people. People who resist the vaccination and its associated narrative in this country are completely thrown into the melting pot of "Whacko right wing Qanon psychopath hillbillies form the country who don't believe in Science and are living under a rock" label. This is how our media tries to spin it on every liberal/democratic network; even NPR radio, a network I actually use to trust as being unbiased and wholly reliable for many years of my life. Now, daily, they go out of their way to shame and humiliate the "Unbelievers" of the narrative (which is almost like Cult language), by deliberately putting people on the air who sound inarticulate and possess poor English skills. Its a very sly and manipulative practice on NPR's part. They would never interview anyone against the official narrative who was actually well spoken, college educated, or has an intelligent counterargument to provide. They are very careful to only showcase ONE type of American for the "Debate", so as to help make all Anti-vaxxers look like deranged imbeciles.

What's doubly worse, is that you'd think it would be those "Trump morons" (excuse my harsh language and I apologize to anyone who might be on Avalon that loves the guy) who stormed the capital on the 6th, pushing an authoritarian agenda and allowing this widespread evil to take place. But it isn't. Its 100% the, what should be "educated" democratic party of America which is whole heartedly on board with the Vaccine narrative, "Covid Science" as dictated by Faucci and the rest of the liars, and whom recently in a poll voted an over whelming majority in favor of Unvaccinated individuals being taken to camps for not complying (over 50% of democrats in America support this). Its truly "Mass formation hypnosis", as Malone has said.

Regarding war and all our evil deeds - its the same. Democrats will support a democratic president unto the ends of the earth it seems, and the same goes for a sitting Republican president.

I do want to say that we're not all morons over here, but I think the percentage of truly awake Americans is in the very tiny minority. They are the people who have no political affiliation and are simply trying to live a humble, quiet sustainable life. You'll never hear from them because they don't make the headlines.

[Hermoor]

Erm. The USA has more than a dozen biolabs in Ukraine? Is this for real? Anyone?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ5dztUaMAAmEEN?format=jpg&name=small

[Merkaba360]

Hi Friends,

With all respect to all you good people there, and I know that there are a lot of good and smart people in USA, but I have to say this: USA is the most evil entity in the world today, and all of us would have much better lives if USA vanished from the face of the Earth.

I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

The biggest problem that I see concerning USA is that the huge percentage of population is completely clueless about the rest of the world, and are totally brainwashed by MSM and blinded by politicians.

That is why USA government is doing all the evil deeds with support from their own people, ignorant people who could stop those evill deeds from happening.

When I see them saying "thank you for your service" to soldiers who are going aroung the world, causing trouble and killing innocent people and children, it's crazy.

Kind regards..

The biggest problem is that the WHOLE World is clueless as to how the world works...not the USA. Despite appearances, we are one of the countries that have the most people who somewhat understand how things actually operate below the propaganda.

So, basically you want to wipe out USA and replace it with something roughly equal or worse. You think it is USA doing all of these things? It is the globalists using our military. No USA, then another country is the super power and they just cause hell with them. Absolutely no way any other group of citizens would do any better. And we would be much worse off if another area of the world was in the lead. I can think of a few.

Of course, all of us americans in here are the ones who are partially keeping the country in check by spreading truth and resisting the globalists use of our power.

Please don't pretend Europeans or russians have some much better understanding of whats going on. It is impossible to understand global politics without understanding macroeconomics, Law (deep understanding that won't be learned in university), and others like the black projects and classified military/corporate doings. So, I am quite sure, some more traveled european or whatever is not really any more clued in.

I once saw a reporter ask a question to a Russian diplomat on video. The Russian got upset for some reason and said "Listen, they are all in on it and will never go against each other. USA, Europe, Russia, China = all the same team. With the kind of reaction he had, that is not usual for someone lying.

I would say its true on the highest levels, and probably more complicated where they are also competing/fighting on other levels or between different factions.

The truth is extremely complicated. And any country in the dominant seat would be a causing havoc. Its people would also fall under some kind of arrogant spell as well. Its no different than sports team. Everyone wants to be on the number 1 team and will become more blind to let their leaders keep them in 1st place.

[Patient]

Quote Posted by XelNaga (here)
Hi Friends,

With all respect to all you good people there, and I know that there are a lot of good and smart people in USA, but I have to say this: USA is the most evil entity in the world today, and all of us would have much better lives if USA vanished from the face of the Earth.

I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

The biggest problem that I see concerning USA is that the huge percentage of population is completely clueless about the rest of the world, and are totally brainwashed by MSM and blinded by politicians.

That is why USA government is doing all the evil deeds with support from their own people, ignorant people who could stop those evill deeds from happening.


As someone from the United States, I am ashamed to live here and completely understand your sentiments. I have become quite isolated due to no longer fitting in with my liberal counter parts, nor do I fit in with the forever-Trump folks either. Both sides seem to totally support evil when it fits their purpose. There are not enough people who refuse to let either side of the political spectrum guide their thinking, decisions, or consciousness. In America, 98% of the people fall on one side of the line or the other, and you must be politically correct to the side you have chosen or 'GTFO'. Both sides are poisonous and corrupt. I can not even begin to detail how much Americans hate one another for not agreeing with "party line" cultural opinions.

In essence, I agree with every word you said. What's worse, is that should you have a good mind for critical thinking and research (not the "Critical thinking" taught to us by our liberal universities. I mean TRUE critical thinking), you are immediately isolated and clumped together with "Nutty Trump" people. People who resist the vaccination and its associated narrative in this country are completely thrown into the melting pot of "Whacko right wing Qanon psychopath hillbillies form the country who don't believe in Science and are living under a rock" label. This is how our media tries to spin it on every liberal/democratic network; even NPR radio, a network I actually use to trust as being unbiased and wholly reliable for many years of my life. Now, daily, they go out of their way to shame and humiliate the "Unbelievers" of the narrative (which is almost like Cult language), by deliberately putting people on the air who sound inarticulate and possess poor English skills. Its a very sly and manipulative practice on NPR's part. They would never interview anyone against the official narrative who was actually well spoken, college educated, or has an intelligent counterargument to provide. They are very careful to only showcase ONE type of American for the "Debate", so as to help make all Anti-vaxxers look like deranged imbeciles.

What's doubly worse, is that you'd think it would be those "Trump morons" (excuse my harsh language and I apologize to anyone who might be on Avalon that loves the guy) who stormed the capital on the 6th, pushing an authoritarian agenda and allowing this widespread evil to take place. But it isn't. Its 100% the, what should be "educated" democratic party of America which is whole heartedly on board with the Vaccine narrative, "Covid Science" as dictated by Faucci and the rest of the liars, and whom recently in a poll voted an over whelming majority in favor of Unvaccinated individuals being taken to camps for not complying (over 50% of democrats in America support this). Its truly "Mass formation hypnosis", as Malone has said.

Regarding war and all our evil deeds - its the same. Democrats will support a democratic president unto the ends of the earth it seems, and the same goes for a sitting Republican president.

I do want to say that we're not all morons over here, but I think the percentage of truly awake Americans is in the very tiny minority. They are the people who have no political affiliation and are simply trying to live a humble, quiet sustainable life. You'll never hear from them because they don't make the headlines.

I understand and feel for you. It is an awful position to be in sometimes due to being awake and aware.

As is said "Ignorance is bliss."

Also, when you are very close to something and can't step back enough to see the whole picture your point of view is limited.

Some years back I moved to the United States and I was really educated as I saw the programming and propaganda that the people there have grown up with, thus accepting it as normal.

We had a small company there and I was really surprised by the people. They were very friendly and happy, until our hiring a new employee brought an unexpected problem. I was not aware that "everyone" working there was a supporter of the same political party. We hired a person who supported the other main party and this really caused a problem that I had not anticipated.

After this I realized how much of a bubble many of the people there live within. They trusted their news source and did not feel a need to look further. We really shook up some people's views as we expressed their need to look at sources from around the world before forming an opinion about some topics.

Now with the Ukraine and Russia situation, many people have only what has been spoon fed to them from the media. (Even I do not know if I have a good grasp on what the real issues are apart from Russia not wanting the USA to occupy a country on their border - and who could blame them?)

North America as a whole has been involved in wars that occur on the other side of the world. So there is a mindset that war is something that happens somewhere else, not at our own home. I think this is a big part of the problem because it is always far away. The few times when something did happen here it really shook people up.

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1485973927960666112?s=20

1485973927960666112

[mountain_jim]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/taibbi-lets-not-have-war

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/lets-not-have-a-war?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNTM5NjYwLCJwb3N0X2lkIjo0NzY3MjAwOCwiXyI6InJJVVVIIiwiaWF0IjoxNjQzMTU2OTcyLC JleHAiOjE2NDMxNjA1NzIsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0xMDQyIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.td004e3H2jYPunJgqrtwxMPhp lfLt2OvzrvhVq9RJjY



Taibbi: Let's Not Have A War

TUESDAY, JAN 25, 2022 - 07:55 PM
Authored by Matt Taibbi via TK News,

Joe Biden last week said the American response in Ukraine would be proportional to Vladimir Putin’s actions. “It depends,” the president posited, thoughts drifting like blobs in a lava lamp. “It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion…

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Bad idea

Alarms sounded all over Washington. The rip in the national political illusion was so severe, Republicans and Democrats were forced to come out agreeing, leaping into each other’s arms in panic. Secretary of State Tony Blinken, who increasingly looks like a man about to miss a historically important free throw, said of a potential Russian invasion, “We can make crystal clear the stark consequences of that choice.” Republican Senator Ted Cruz said Biden “shocked the world by giving Putin a green light to invade Ukraine.” The National Security Council issued a statement through Jen Psaki that any Russian move into Ukraine would be “met with a swift, severe, and united response.”

In a later press conference, Biden explained he had to cut things short because, “You guys will ask me all about Russia.” He appears days from pulling his pants down to show reporters the electrodes White House chief of staff Ron Klain has probably attached to his testicles by now.

This is a rerun of an old story, only with a weaker lead actor. Six years ago, Barack Obama gave an interview to The Atlantic quashing Beltway militarists’ dreams of war in Ukraine:

The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-Nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do… This is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for.

Then as now, both blue and red propaganda outlets howled. The “core interest” of the Washington consensus is war. It isn’t just big business, but our biggest business, one of the last things we still make and export on a grand scale. The bulk of the people elected to congress and a lion’s share of the lobbyists, lawyers, and journalists who snuggle in a giant fornicating mass in the capital are dedicated to the upkeep of the war bureaucracy.

Their main purpose is growing the defense budget and militarizing the missions of other government agencies (from State to the Department of Energy to the CIA). Washington think-tanks exist to factory-generate intellectual justifications for foreign interventions, while attacking with ferocity — as if they were emergencies like pandemics or deadly hurricanes — the appearance of ideas like the “peace dividend” that threaten to move any of their rice bowls to some other constituency.

Both Biden’s comments and the “Obama doctrine” were fundamental betrayals, presidents saying out loud that there existed such a thing as “our” interests separate from Washington’s war pig clique. The latter group somehow believes itself impervious to error, and takes extraordinary offense to challenges to its judgment, amazing given the spectacular failures in every arena from Iraq to Afghanistan to Syria.

These people consistently lose popularity contests to cannibals and fingernail-pullers, and their playbook — one play they run over and over, never deviating despite decades of disaster — is designed to reduce every foreign policy situation to contests of force. Their wag-the-dog thinking always argues the right move is the one that allows them to empty their boxes of expensive toys, from weapons systems to Langley-generated schemes for overthrows, which a compliant press happily calls regime change.

< much more at link >

[Violet3]

Wow Taibbi's article recommended (thanks to Mountain Jim)- blunt, satirical, and funny, if anything so appalling can be called funny. I particularly relished the image of Biden pulling his pants down to show reporters the electrodes that chief of staff has attached to his testicles. :clapping:
Australian PM Scott Morrison is also wired up !!
Also this fabulous sentence: "The bulk of the people elected to congress and the lion's share of the lobbyists, journalists and journalists who snuggle in a giant fornicating mass in the capital...."

Phew, right on. :facepalm:

[Eva2]

https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/272682398_10158288524312337_85313695726800039_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=cE-TbB8vwroAX8NJBPu&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8pFz42cRKeK4kzKSLQrzzPMUToQ80BUEH24FX44YturA&oe=61F52D52

[Mike Gorman]

This could turn out to be the ultimate 'Great Reset' - just imagine the reduction of the global population to perhaps a couple of billion, the elite factions would have to remain in their bunkers for a decade or so, but the chess board will have been set back to ground zero.

[Pam]

Quote Posted by XelNaga (here)
Hi Friends,

With all respect to all you good people there, and I know that there are a lot of good and smart people in USA, but I have to say this: USA is the most evil entity in the world today, and all of us would have much better lives if USA vanished from the face of the Earth.

I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

The biggest problem that I see concerning USA is that the huge percentage of population is completely clueless about the rest of the world, and are totally brainwashed by MSM and blinded by politicians.

That is why USA government is doing all the evil deeds with support from their own people, ignorant people who could stop those evill deeds from happening.


As someone from the United States, I am ashamed to live here and completely understand your sentiments. I have become quite isolated due to no longer fitting in with my liberal counter parts, nor do I fit in with the forever-Trump folks either. Both sides seem to totally support evil when it fits their purpose. There are not enough people who refuse to let either side of the political spectrum guide their thinking, decisions, or consciousness. In America, 98% of the people fall on one side of the line or the other, and you must be politically correct to the side you have chosen or 'GTFO'. Both sides are poisonous and corrupt. I can not even begin to detail how much Americans hate one another for not agreeing with "party line" cultural opinions.

In essence, I agree with every word you said. What's worse, is that should you have a good mind for critical thinking and research (not the "Critical thinking" taught to us by our liberal universities. I mean TRUE critical thinking), you are immediately isolated and clumped together with "Nutty Trump" people. People who resist the vaccination and its associated narrative in this country are completely thrown into the melting pot of "Whacko right wing Qanon psychopath hillbillies form the country who don't believe in Science and are living under a rock" label. This is how our media tries to spin it on every liberal/democratic network; even NPR radio, a network I actually use to trust as being unbiased and wholly reliable for many years of my life. Now, daily, they go out of their way to shame and humiliate the "Unbelievers" of the narrative (which is almost like Cult language), by deliberately putting people on the air who sound inarticulate and possess poor English skills. Its a very sly and manipulative practice on NPR's part. They would never interview anyone against the official narrative who was actually well spoken, college educated, or has an intelligent counterargument to provide. They are very careful to only showcase ONE type of American for the "Debate", so as to help make all Anti-vaxxers look like deranged imbeciles.

What's doubly worse, is that you'd think it would be those "Trump morons" (excuse my harsh language and I apologize to anyone who might be on Avalon that loves the guy) who stormed the capital on the 6th, pushing an authoritarian agenda and allowing this widespread evil to take place. But it isn't. Its 100% the, what should be "educated" democratic party of America which is whole heartedly on board with the Vaccine narrative, "Covid Science" as dictated by Faucci and the rest of the liars, and whom recently in a poll voted an over whelming majority in favor of Unvaccinated individuals being taken to camps for not complying (over 50% of democrats in America support this). Its truly "Mass formation hypnosis", as Malone has said.

Regarding war and all our evil deeds - its the same. Democrats will support a democratic president unto the ends of the earth it seems, and the same goes for a sitting Republican president.

I do want to say that we're not all morons over here, but I think the percentage of truly awake Americans is in the very tiny minority. They are the people who have no political affiliation and are simply trying to live a humble, quiet sustainable life. You'll never hear from them because they don't make the headlines.

Thank you for taking the time to articulate this, Lily. It really needs to said out loud and you have done a magnificent job of getting to the crux of the situation.

[gini]

..https://www.bitchute.com/video/gCNwNiWzMzY/...UKRAINE AMASSING MILITARY ON BORDER OF EAST UKRAINE...Ukraine amassing military on border of East Ukraine
The Duran: Episode 1204

Kremlin: Ukraine Amassing Troops on Contact Line in Donbass in Apparent Preparation for Attack.

[ExomatrixTV]

Secretary of State on Diplomatic Response to Russia (c-span):

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[ExomatrixTV]

Jack Keane Makes Major Prediction On When Russia Will Invade Ukraine:

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[mizo]

Another viewpoint:

https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1487022679320416260?s=20

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting short piece (and a 40 minute video interview) from JR Nyquist.

Whatever one might think of his views and conclusions, he knows a thing or two about Russia. But note that this was posted 5 days ago, and things are moving and changing daily.

https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/01/23/russian-mobilization-continues-a-discussion-with-cliff-kincaid/#more-8346

Russian Mobilization Continues

The Russian government has announced that all four of its fleets will be going to sea soon. Over 140 ships of the Russian Navy, all at one time, will be leaving port. The exact date has not been given as of this writing.

Moscow is calling this “a drill.” At the same time, Russian President Vladimir Putin is going to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping on 4 February.

In addition to troops and aircraft, Russia has been massing Iskander-M (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43932/russia-masses-iskander-m-ballistic-missiles-near-ukraine-as-its-build-up-is-almost-completed) ballistic missiles near Ukraine. The State Department has ordered the evacuation of the families of U.S. Embassy personnel in Ukraine. It is advisable that U.S. citizens in Ukraine get out of the country while they can, because the U.S. Government is not going to rescue them if they get stuck in a war zone.

Presently, Russian military aircraft are forward deploying to Belarus. Russian mechanized infantry divisions have been positioned in Belarus, north of Kiev. There are numerous reports of Russian nationals crossing the U.S-Mexican border illegally.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=silWAGVO22A

[ExomatrixTV]

The TRUTH About Ukraine, Russia & War:

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[jaybee]

I know a lot of people won't have it - but regarding nuclear weapons and their detonation - from work pioneered by Bruce Cathie and also by member 'lightpotential' (Keith).... and this thread about the Tonga Volcano begins with a video of his about the subject...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117519-Was-the-15-Jan-2022-Hunga-Tonga-Volcano-Eruption-Artificially-Engineered

It appears you can't just drop a nuclear weapon willy nilly, here, there or anywhere you want - any time you want - there are certain precise conditions including the position of the sun that are necessary to get a significant detonation -

This means that all the nuclear powers are aware of the windows of opportunity and this makes a bomb based nuclear war LESS likely because in essence there can be no sudden or surprise attacks....

Maybe they can mimic a space / time busting detonation now by other methods - and Keith in the Tonga thread speaks about intersecting scalar beams possibly being used to ramp up the volcanic eruption in a nuclear type explosion eruption -

But using intersecting scalar beams instead of actual nuclear warheads would(?) still involve precise conditions / positions / timing.... so the same predictability probably still exists...

What I'm trying to say is that they've been scaring the world for decades - nearly 80 years - with fears of a 'classic' nuclear war but it might not be that easy... with a bit of luck it's still just a scare tactic and one they've dredged up again at this time when the covid narrative is crumbling and attention (fear mongering) is being switched to Ukraine -

edit to add video...

Bruce Cathie Calculating an Atomic Bomb Test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRc4vKwf3WA

[Mashika]

The expected outcome is building up already

The hysterical narrative pushed so hard in the past month is in place now, so every attempt to help the Donbass people will be dismissed as "Russian Invassion". On the other hand, there are a few news papers and channels already positioning the Ukranian army as "freedom figthers or similar"

Meanwhile, the actual reality, that Ukraine is preparing to 'cleanse' Donbass of ethnic people and leave the territory open to be given to 'real pure Ukranians' is already happening
https://tass.com/world/1395063


Ukraine’s army has deployed special operations forces to the contact line in Donbass and is conducting reconnaissance operations, Ivan Filiponenko, a spokesman for the defense ministry of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), said on Sunday.

"Servicemen of the Zapad special operations center (formed 8th regiment of the special operations force) arrived in the vicinity of the settlement of Novoluganskoye, in the responsibility zone of the 2nd mechanized battalion of the 30th Ukrainian army brigade," LugansInformCenter quoted him as saying.

Apart from that, according to Filiponenko, Ukrainian troops ae conducting reconnaissance operations near the settlement of Stanitsa Luganskaya, including with the use of drones.


This won't be on anyone's news, of course. The watter has been muddled so much by the US/UK that now it's impossible to go there and look into the issue at all. The people in Donbass have been silenced. And any country attempting to stop this, will be declared as an invader and plenty other things

The US/UK governments are now openly helping a neo-nazy state in cleansing the population of a region that has been fighting for their rights to exist and freedom. Ukraine doesn't event acknowledge them, just as the US/UK doesn't do. It's lamentable that people don't care at all and keep talking about the lies and beating around the bushes with this ultra-fake narrative

The Ukraine army is not made of "freedom rebels" or "freedom fighters", those who are fighting for their freedom are the people in Donbass. But no mention of them at all in this conflict, in the corrupt/rotten western media

Everyone, including the supposed "reliable and serious" youtube analysts in the west, who supposedly are impartial, do the same, they never talk about the separatist army, those who are the actual army facing against Ukraine.

I consider someone a non-reliable analyst if they go and talk about a subject and they forget to mention the very core of the issue and skip and 'analize' the maintream point of view and narrative, instead of the actual reality. That's just how it is, because, where is the actual research? If you go talk about something and don't do your own research but just analize the narrative, then what are you doing? Are you a real journalist then?

Anyway, people will die once again, no one will know or care

"It did not happen to me or someone i know.. I'm sorry for your lose, Thoughts and prayers"

[7he5ource]

First my search shows no topics on earth's most pressing crisis

My family has history in the intel community so ive followed this 50 yrs

2 CIA officers in my life told me very seriously that WW3 [the nuclear war] will not start in ISRAEL as prophesies predict, by these 2 experts in military analysis assure ww3 will go hot in the Baltic region. They stated this in 1978 and 1981 on 2 occasions.

My dad though deceased it would be a security breach to talk about him much his work similar to Tesla. He bought a book titled The Third World War: The Untold Story (1982) is a war novel by general Sir John Hackett, his book confirms that USSR will want back lands taken in WW2 and the front of war will be THE BALTIC REGION

I am surprised this isn't talked about as a #1 priority.

I worked in 22 countries on the fringe of intel [A MILITARY INTELLIGENCE ANALYST]
and the news propaganda just isn't telling the trust,


100,000 troops is a very strong signal ,,, let me interject



=====================================================

The defense readiness condition (DEFCON) is an alert state used by the United States Armed Forces. ... It increases in severity from DEFCON 5 (least severe) to DEFCON 1 (most severe) to match varying military situations, with DEFCON 1 signalling the outbreak of nuclear warfare.

=====================================================

I instinctively fell this is serious, USA is at DEFCON 4, but if Russia had a defcon system [they do] combat reediness alert system, it would be at the equivalent of USA's DEFCON 2


i checked today and USA is at 4
meaning as close to peacetime everyday biz as usual level

so in my life 4 sources one my dad whose work is classified even today [i got a small dose]

all agree Baltic region is where [based on history, probability factors and USSR's desire to not be overwhelmed by western greed for resources and control


other factor on radar
PUTIN [RUS means red / rusPUTIN ?
Has a deep disdain for Hilary and friends based on some very personal slander/libel years ago ... which its said putins ego is huge its hurt and payback fills his mind daily

this coupled with elder communist relics and the return of lands PLUS immediate troops
surrounding Ukraine [a beautiful people] spells evil

putin isn't like so many leaders who are puppets
his power is real and almost solitary with Lukashenko and few older [senile] communist relics,

The Russian command system is poised to obtain nuclear weapons release authority within 10 minutes from the President, the Defense Minister, or the Chief of General Staff
as far as we know putin can order a launch on his own


footnote

the book ww3 was in preface presented as a model not a real prediction
that said as predictions go .... not far off so far ... in the book one nuke is launched
as a tactical warning

[7he5ource]

i see i require a typist, but wont fix errors, the post was lots of work in recall and if i type more expect as bad grammar or much worse seeing the keyboard is an issue
a nuclear war in Europe could spread to Canada who makes lots of stuff [not going there] USA Britain, France Germany, Australia [space program] and of course no country can be neutral as Swiss were in ww2, and Putin who in my view would win, may take other parts of the world if there are any left

russia is a great nation with 60,000 yr old megaliths been around a long time and first at everything USA tried to play catchup

[Mashika]

KIEV AUTHORITIES OPENLY SAY THAT UKRAINE WILL NOT IMPLEMENT THE MINSK AGREEMENTS

https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/02/02/kiev-authorities-openly-say-that-ukraine-will-not-implement-the-minsk-agreements/


Associated Press goes on to explain that these Minsk agreements were negotiated after a series of Ukrainian military defeats, and are seen in Ukraine as a betrayal of national interests, prompting Zelensky and his senior officials to repeatedly call for their rewriting.

Except that if these agreements were signed after military defeats, this confirms what I said in an article last year, namely that Ukraine signed the Minsk agreements in the position of loser of the conflict! Therefore, it has nothing to demand. When you lose a conflict and you sign a peace agreement to save what’s left of your army, you don’t start demanding a few years later to rewrite the agreements so that they are more favourable to you. You implement them or you accept the resumption of the conflict. Full stop.

Moreover, this statement by Alexey Danilov shatters the Ukrainian propaganda that has been claiming for years that the Ukrainian army is holding back the Russian army and thus protecting Western Europe since 2014. If Ukraine signed the Minsk agreements “under the Russian gun barrel“, this means that the Ukrainian army was defeated (in reality it was defeated by the people’s militias of the DPR and LPR – Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics !!!), and thus it is holding back nothing !



And here's the evidence of what "Ukraine vs Russia" really means, they refuse to let the people at Donbass be free. Imagine if this exact situation happened in China vs Taiwan

The fact that Ukraine lost in 2014 is never mentioned, imagine also if Germany would say "you know what, we refuse to accept the deal we made when we lost WW2, therefore we are back at war with the rest of the world". Would that be acceptable?

Yet the US/UK seems to think it's perfectly fine to kill innocent people and even sends arms and money to help in the effort, openly and with no shame, which the same US/UK governments have proudly announced the past weeks

See this, the schools at Yasynuvataya were evacuated earlier 2 February, because of some detonations heard around them, probably shells falling close. This city has been attacked before multiple times by the Ukrainian army
https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1488844094206054401

For reference and context, Yasynuvataya is not in the Russian border, the city is located here, see map below. This is what the western media doesn't report, that cities inside Ukraine are getting hit daily in this way. This is the reality, it's a fight against ethnic people in Donbass, and not against the Russian army. This is a fight against civilians and their Russian ethniticity, it is a war crime
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWWcEntZimFwGE3hhOnvLe4XvZ6Y-6xhknEJ7wwGifrXT9oYvGIn53e8c3xVHe-UcI5qxDhEW0HuV8ZRimPfgOHK0iSV6vKaiukUhQGqmvVm7k8zIfIrgiNLHPT0z0-gmT59pkJWlL2zBd13slALnq5=w1242-h541-no?authuser=0

The losers at the 2014 war demand to change the signed agreements so they become the winners. This is preposterous :)

Source:
Ukraine security chief: Minsk peace deal may create chaos
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-russia-france-germany-europe-d9a2ed365b58d35274bf0c3c18427e81

[7he5ource]

First my search shows no topics on earth's most pressing crisis

My family has history in the intel community so ive followed this 50 yrs

2 CIA officers in my life told me very seriously that WW3 [the nuclear war] will not start in ISRAEL as prophesies predict, by these 2 experts in military analysis assure ww3 will go hot in the Baltic region. They stated this in 1978 and 1981 on 2 occasions.

My dad though deceased it would be a security breach to talk about him much his work similar to Tesla. He bought a book titled The Third World War: The Untold Story (1982) is a war novel by general Sir John Hackett, his book confirms that USSR will want back lands taken in WW2 and the front of war will be THE BALTIC REGION

I am surprised this isn't talked about as a #1 priority.

I worked in 22 countries on the fringe of intel [A MILITARY INTELLIGENCE ANALYST]
and the news propaganda just isn't telling the trust,


100,000 troops is a very strong signal ,,, let me interject



=====================================================

The defense readiness condition (DEFCON) is an alert state used by the United States Armed Forces. ... It increases in severity from DEFCON 5 (least severe) to DEFCON 1 (most severe) to match varying military situations, with DEFCON 1 signalling the outbreak of nuclear warfare.

=====================================================

I instinctively fell this is serious, USA is at DEFCON 4, but if Russia had a defcon system [they do] combat reediness alert system, it would be at the equivalent of USA's DEFCON 2
g

well today DEFCON went from 4 to 3
https://www.defconlevel.com/current-level.php


to bill, you should never have merged these threads it dilutes the gravity of what i post
for uneducated DEFCON 1 means nuclear weapons launch is in progress
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTaNgY_NKQ




Biden played a key role in NATO's expansion east in the '90s, which Putin is now threatening to invade Ukraine over
John Haltiwanger
Wed, February 2, 2022, 10:25 AM·7 min read
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Sen. Joe Biden during Senate Foreign Relations Committee markup on NATO expansion in March 1998.Douglas Graham/Getty Images
Putin blames NATO's eastward expansion for the tensions with Ukraine.

Biden played a key role in expanding NATO in Eastern Europe during the late 1990s.

Ukraine is not a NATO member but has sought to join the alliance for years.

"This, in fact, is the beginning of another 50 years of peace," Democratic Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware declared in 1998 as the Senate voted in favor of expanding NATO to include Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic.

Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in those days, said adding the former Cold War enemies to the Western military alliance amounted to "righting an historical injustice forced upon the Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians by Joseph Stalin."

[7he5ource]

for those who believe that conspiracies [mafias/secrets] really do exist not just in theory .... ive been on a quasi military site/forum where on, it is quite accepted that covid lockdowns restrictions have been an orchestrated prelude to war

[Mashika]

Biden played a key role in NATO's expansion east in the '90s, which Putin is now threatening to invade Ukraine over


Dissinformation in its pure form, would love to see a video or written text where Putin threatened that, or anyone else for that matter

There are none, because this is a fabricated lie, designed and implemented by the US. Just that headline was enough for me to not even bother reading the "article" that followed

The people in Donbass, who Ukraine calls "invaders" are also Ukrainian, born and raised there, it is their land, they are not "occupying" anything, they were born there in the first place. It just so happen they did not want to belong to a Nazi state or be under control of a government imposssed by a US orchestrated coup.

The current government in Ukraine is an impostor, they got in power through a coup, not through valid elections or any kind of democracy. And that's why some regions decided to separate from the main Ukrainian state, they did not want to belong to the 'new' fake nation. That's the very core of this issue, and also the most important point no one talks about in the western news, very conveniently

It is pure nonsense to say this is a democratic government when it was impossed by the US as a puppet regime and the real/elected by the people government was forcibly removed. Is that the definition of "Democracy" now? or only when it serves US purposes :)

[Vicus]

Blackwater is in Donbass with the Azov battalion

by Manlio Dinucci

The CIA and MI6 are reorganizing NATO stay-behind networks in Eastern Europe. If after the Second World War they relied on former Nazis to fight the Soviets, they still support neo-Nazi groups against the Russians. There is no obvious reason for this. The Nazis were plethora in the 1940s, they are very few today and only exist thanks to the help of the Anglo-Saxons.

VOLTAIRE NETWORK | ROME (ITALY) | 1 FEBRUARY 2022


Against this background, it is particularly alarming that the Russian Defense Minister Shoigu denounced that in the Donetsk region there are "private US military companies that are preparing a provocation with the use of unknown chemicals". It could be the spark that causes the detonation of a war in the heart of Europe: a chemical attack against Ukrainian civilians in Donbass, immediately attributed to the Russians of Donetsk and Lugansk, which would be attacked by the preponderant Ukrainian forces already deployed in the region, to force Russia to intervene militarily in their defense.

In the front line, ready to slaughter the Russians in the Donbass, is the Azov battalion, promoted to a special forces regiment, trained and armed by the US and NATO, distinguished for its ferocity in attacks on the Russian populations of Ukraine. The Azov, which recruits neo-Nazis from all over Europe under its flag traced from that of SS Das Reich, is commanded by its founder Andrey Biletsky, promoted to colonel [2]. It is not only a military unit, but an ideological and political movement, of which Biletsky is the charismatic leader, especially for the youth organization that is educated to hate the Russians with his book "The Words of the White Führer".



https://www.voltairenet.org/article215489.html

[7he5ource]

The people in Donbass, who Ukraine calls "invaders" are also Ukrainian, born and raised there, it is their land, they are not "occupying" anything, they were born there in the first place. It just so happen they did not want to belong to a Nazi state or be under control of a government imposed by a US orchestrated coup.
The current government in Ukraine is an impostor, they got in power through a coup, not through valid elections or any kind of democracy.



Greece said to have invented voting used it for data mining loyalty, presidents are all related ?
when was there ever a real election ?
Jeb GBush got caught in election fraud, nobody cares, no action

do you know a BUSH headed a coup de tat in USA
he White House Putsch) was a political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install a dictator.

WAS HE CHARGED ? NO
why? nobody gives a crap

who cares if 140,000 nukes pop off?
anybody?
mostly ppl go on with their dope liquor sex perversion and pursuit of Hollywood lifestyle, be in fashion, in vogue, status quo


inside where its warm
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America’s most senior intelligence officer says its classification system is broken
JANUARY 28, 2022 BY JOSEPH FITSANAKIS LEAVE A COMMENT

Avril HainesTHE MOST SENIOR INTELLIGENCE officer in the United States has said in a letter that the nation’s system of classification is flawed and undermines its national security. This view was expressed by Avril Haines, who heads the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the body that directs and coordinates America’s 18 intelligence agencies. Haines, 52, was appointed to the position last year by President Joe Biden, and is seen as a potential reformist of the US intelligence community.

Haines stated her view on classification in a letter sent to two Senators, Jerry Moran (R., Kan.) and Ron Wyden (D., Ore.). The letter was in response to a formal query submitted by the two members of Congress. The query concerns the mounting backlog of classified information that is currently awaiting declassification on historical or ‘right-to-know’ legal processes. The latter require government agencies to release information to the public domain.

Some of the contents of Haines’ letter, marked “for official use only”, were reported on Thursday by The Wall Street Journal. According to the paper, Haines opined that “deficiencies in the current classification system undermine our national security, as well as critical democratic objectives, by impeding our ability to share information

intelnews.org


even the intelligence that assesses military and defense situations severity and actions is a debauchery


ive followed all the intel releases for 50 yrs with a few vacations, understand the gravity [from root grave] of these 2 years of trial lockdowns
Russia has immense civilian bomb shelters, USA ?
Canada ? ,,,,,,, the later selling viruses to military labs in china since Margret Sinclair married peter


RCMP investigating Winnipeg scientists fired from lab for possible transfer of intellectual property to China
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-scientists-fired-from-winnipeg-lab-under-rcmp-investigation-for/

its common knowledge for reporters Canada has been financing itself by selling bioweapon material
but that is in news i know things not in news about what goes on in Canada ... in a war that goes hot much industry in Canada will melt
this isn't the canadarm, Litton, etc, this is massive military tech



Is there money laundering in Canada?
In fact, Canada is such an appealing money laundering destination that there is a coined term to refer to illegal money laundered here: snow-washing. “You have nearly no prosecutions in the country,” said Matt McGuire, the co-founder and practice director of The AML Shop.26 Jul 2021


i estimate about 100 nuclear targets in Canada

all these actions violate international laws and treaties, so which courts are acting ?
waiting for the highest court of Uranium 238 ?

[Mashika]

The people in Donbass, who Ukraine calls "invaders" are also Ukrainian, born and raised there, it is their land, they are not "occupying" anything, they were born there in the first place. It just so happen they did not want to belong to a Nazi state or be under control of a government imposed by a US orchestrated coup.
The current government in Ukraine is an impostor, they got in power through a coup, not through valid elections or any kind of democracy.



Greece said to have invented voting used it for data mining loyalty, presidents are all related ?
when was there ever a real election ?
Jeb GBush got caught in election fraud, nobody cares, no action

do you know a BUSH headed a coup de tat in USA
he White House Putsch) was a political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install a dictator.

WAS HE CHARGED ? NO
why? nobody gives a crap

who cares if 140,000 nukes pop off?
anybody?
mostly ppl go on with their dope liquor sex perversion and pursuit of Hollywood lifestyle, be in fashion, in vogue, status quo


inside where its warm
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America’s most senior intelligence officer says its classification system is broken
JANUARY 28, 2022 BY JOSEPH FITSANAKIS LEAVE A COMMENT

Avril HainesTHE MOST SENIOR INTELLIGENCE officer in the United States has said in a letter that the nation’s system of classification is flawed and undermines its national security. This view was expressed by Avril Haines, who heads the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the body that directs and coordinates America’s 18 intelligence agencies. Haines, 52, was appointed to the position last year by President Joe Biden, and is seen as a potential reformist of the US intelligence community.

Haines stated her view on classification in a letter sent to two Senators, Jerry Moran (R., Kan.) and Ron Wyden (D., Ore.). The letter was in response to a formal query submitted by the two members of Congress. The query concerns the mounting backlog of classified information that is currently awaiting declassification on historical or ‘right-to-know’ legal processes. The latter require government agencies to release information to the public domain.

Some of the contents of Haines’ letter, marked “for official use only”, were reported on Thursday by The Wall Street Journal. According to the paper, Haines opined that “deficiencies in the current classification system undermine our national security, as well as critical democratic objectives, by impeding our ability to share information

intelnews.org


even the intelligence that assesses military and defense situations severity and actions is a debauchery


ive followed all the intel releases for 50 yrs with a few vacations, understand the gravity [from root grave] of these 2 years of trial lockdowns
Russia has immense civilian bomb shelters, USA ?
Canada ? ,,,,,,, the later selling viruses to military labs in china since Margret Sinclair married peter


RCMP investigating Winnipeg scientists fired from lab for possible transfer of intellectual property to China
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-scientists-fired-from-winnipeg-lab-under-rcmp-investigation-for/

its common knowledge for reporters Canada has been financing itself by selling bioweapon material
but that is in news i know things not in news about what goes on in Canada ... in a war that goes hot much industry in Canada will melt
this isn't the canadarm, Litton, etc, this is massive military tech



Is there money laundering in Canada?
In fact, Canada is such an appealing money laundering destination that there is a coined term to refer to illegal money laundered here: snow-washing. “You have nearly no prosecutions in the country,” said Matt McGuire, the co-founder and practice director of The AML Shop.26 Jul 2021


i estimate about 100 nuclear targets in Canada

all these actions violate international laws and treaties, so which courts are acting ?
waiting for the highest court of Uranium 238 ?

None of this seem related to the Ukraine issues we are talking about on this thread, this information seems to be for a separate thread?

As an observation


i know things not in news about what goes on in Canada

This kind of stuff is said only if you are going to disclose *what you know*, otherwise it serves no purpose and only adds derailing and self-confirmation of sorts. How does this prove or make whatever you said a valid point? It doesn't

I am the goddaugher of Putin (not really lol), i know things you don't and will never know about Russia, but i of course won't tell you about it at all :)

Did you know that Vladimir Putin's grand father was the personal cook of Lenin and Stalin? And that Putin's family lineage comes from way back, before the USSR and starting on the Russian empire age?

Lineage is an important asset in Russia even these days. You only get to a top position if people "know your name", and this of course is completely offtopic :P

[s7e6e]

The US needs a war with Putin for at least two reasons: it's the only way they can hold on to power by prolonging the emergency state and it's far away enough to keep most of its (US) population asleep.

By far, objectively speaking, Putin has been the cooler head in these last 10 years, avoiding conflict and being a diplomat and a gentleman. While being surrounded by UN/Nato military installations, being constantly provoked and being portrayed by the west media as a trigger happy totalitarian psychopath.

Sure, he's got his shortcomings, but compared to the puppets in charge overseas, he's actually a politician with a backbone, trying to protect moral and family values and his country's sovereignty.

[I am B]

I think you guys are getting lost in the usual good-evil polarisation.

As 7he5ource said US's democracy is a joke, as it is in Spain, and (I presume to be) any other "good&civilised" country.

But let me remind you about how many years has Putin been on his seat (and probably plans to go on) , and on the other hand, and allow me some demagogy, that 2/3 of the rural population, which translates to 20% of the total, still has to go to a cabin outside to take a dump because they have no reliable plumbing. All of this while armies of mercenaries formed by their own army Vets are paid to be slaughtered under the radar in Syria.

This is not about politics at all. I don't think it has ever been. It is just about high tier nepotism and a huge scheme of personal interests. Does it matter who is better than who? Not really since none of them is doing what they should, which is to put population and governance to the service of the people.

Going back to topic, what I mean with all of this, is that In the end we'll be the ones getting nuked, and little it matters to pick a side unless we have armies fighting in our neighborhood.

[I am B]

Also this, my god...

I call it a "Next gen excuse to attack on Russia"

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1489369729131290629
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[Vicus]

Ukrainian regions ‘dreaming’ of joining Russia – ex-general
According to the former Donbass commander, some citizens of Ukraine long to be governed once again from Moscow


Millions of Ukrainians would welcome annexation by Russia with open arms, gladly seceding from the control of Kiev in the event of an invasion, one of the country’s former top army officers has declared as tensions skyrocket between the two former Soviet republics.

Speaking as part of an appearance on internet television channel Espreso on Saturday, Mikhail Zabrodsky set out his opinion on which oblasts have high proportions of citizens who would be in favor of breaking away from the Eastern European nation.

According to him, some Ukrainians living in the country’s left bank are “waiting for the Russian army” and would not resist in the event of an invasion. “There is no need to seize the capital,” he said, as Moscow’s forces would have a large part of the country’s territory under its control.

“This refers to that part of the population, which still dreams of some kind of Novorossiya, of becoming another province or becoming part of the Southern Federal District.” Novorossiya, or New Russia, is a historical term referring to a large swathe of territory formerly ruled as part of the Russian empire that is now under the control of Kiev.


https://www.rt.com/russia/548108-ukrainian-regions-governed-moscow/


Zabrodsky said that this includes Kharkov, Dnieper, Kherson, and Odessa. After their seizure, he believes that Russia would be able to bring to power forces that would comply with Moscow’s will. “In this way, all the goals of the hybrid campaign that started in 2014 would be achieved,” the former commander claimed.

His remarks come amid an increasingly tense situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border in recent weeks, with Western leaders sounding the alarm over a purportedly imminent Russian offensive. However, the Kremlin has repeatedly denied it has any plans to attack.

Following a diplomatic meeting in Geneva with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that Washington was raising concerns about the prospect of an incursion based on “facts and history,” referring to Moscow’s reabsorption of Crimea in 2014 following a referendum. That came shortly after the events of the Maidan, when violent street protests toppled Kiev’s democratically elected government.

Ukraine, and most other nations across the world, have not recognized the vote as legitimate, and consider the peninsula to be part of its territory and illegally occupied by Moscow.

Russia has previously been accused of attempting to restore its historical lands. In 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin said “I would like to remind you that what was called Novorossiya [New Russia] back in the tsarist days – Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Nikolayev and Odessa – were not part of Ukraine back then.”

“These territories were given to Ukraine in the 1920s by the Soviet government. Why? God knows… Russia lost these territories for various reasons, but the people remained,” Putin said.

[ExomatrixTV]

Journalist Hammers State Department Spokesman Over Russian Lies

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[ExomatrixTV]

Reporter Questions if State Dept. Russia Claim is Valid:

https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/A/o/S/a/AoSad.gaa.mp4


source (https://rumble.com/vu2nx6-reporter-questions-if-state-dept.-russia-claim-is-valid.html)

[Inversion]

Reporter Questions if State Dept. Russia Claim is Valid:

https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/A/o/S/a/AoSad.gaa.mp4


source (https://rumble.com/vu2nx6-reporter-questions-if-state-dept.-russia-claim-is-valid.html)


Groups can't wait for the correct variables to fall into place before they take action. They employ false flags in order to achieve their goals. That would especially be true if that number of men and equipment are in place.

Link (https://watchmanministries.net/false-flags/)

Almost all major events in history employ the Hegelian Dialectic of: “Problem-Response-Solution”

Problem – Manufacture a crisis, or take advantage of one already in place.

Response: The desired public outcry, Public demands a solution.

Solution – Pre-determined solution Is implemented: No Public Debate.

[Mashika]

YOUTUBE CENSORS DPR AND LPR WHILE THE U.S. ACCUSES RUSSIA OF TRYING TO FABRICATE A FAKE UKRAINIAN ATTACK VIDEO

https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/02/05/youtube-censors-dpr-and-lpr-while-the-u-s-accuses-russia-of-trying-to-fabricate-a-fake-ukrainian-attack-video/



Especially given the ongoing war crimes of the Ukrainian army, it is not clear why Russia would need to create a fake video proving these same war crimes with “actors”. When the real world already provides all the evidence, why would they create a fake? Just a few days ago Ukraine fired on civilian infrastructure with standard NATO 60mm mortars (https://dnr-sckk.ru/fotoreportazh-posledstviya-obstrela-elenovskoj-tyagovoj-podstancii/), and a Ukrainian sniper shot a civilian in Alexandrovka!

No, the purpose of this American statement is to discredit in advance any information coming from Russia concerning the future large-scale war crimes that Ukraine is preparing in the Donbass!

And to ensure that no further information disrupts the Ukrainian and Western narrative, YouTube has simply removed the channels of the People’s Militia, the Lug Info news agency and the LPR State TV and Radio Company, as well as those of the DPR Ministry of Information and People’s Militia. Facebook also blocked the page of the LPR People’s Militia.

This coordinated effort to censor and discredit information from Russia, the DPR and the LPR is taking place against the backdrop of continuing preparations by the Ukrainian army in the Donbass, and statements by Ukrainian officials that Ukraine will not implement the Minsk agreements.

Thus, on 1 February 2022, the DPR People’s Militia announced that the Ukrainian headquarters had completed its offensive plan against the Donbass, while the attack groups continued to be created and prepared.

According to information obtained by the DPR, the 14th brigade of the FAU (Armed Forces of Ukraine) has requested to receive railway platforms in order to be able to send 30 tanks and 100 other armored fighting vehicle units to the Donbass. The 56th motorized infantry brigade, located near Donetsk, conducted offensive tactical exercises with units of the 55th artillery brigade.

[Vicus]

‘Without Russia, we won't stop a full-on Ukrainian offensive’: What people in Donbass say about the ongoing military crisis

People living near the frontline share their thoughts on war, peace and the future of self-proclaimed republics


The war in Ukraine has been going on for eight years. Recently, tensions began heating up, with multiple Western countries expecting an imminent ‘Russian invasion’ of its neighbor. Moscow strongly denies these rumors, instead pointing the finger at Ukraine and Kiev’s increased eagerness to take back its ‘rogue regions’ by force, exacerbated by the West’s shipments of arms and ammunition. RT asked Donetsk-based journalist Vladislav Ugolniy to describe what life is like in the city many expect a relapse into a full-scale war, and what residents think of Russia, Ukraine, and the never-ceasing drumbeat of war.

The “invasion” will happen after the so-called rasputitsa, the season when roads become extremely muddy and make it difficult for military vehicles and hardware to move around. Since 2015, the armed volunteers in the Donbass have apparently waited for the mud to dry up every spring or freeze solid in the fall. The myth that thousands of people had bought into became a funny meme about the frozen state of the geopolitical hostages – the breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine.

Seven years ago, the Minsk II agreement put the Donbass self-determination issue on hold. The political settlement was supposed to stop the armed conflict and create a framework under which the pro-Russian and pro-American systems could co-exist within one state, while also guaranteeing Ukraine’s neutrality. The diplomatic efforts, however, failed to stop the violence; the diplomacy just localized the war along the front line, with millions of people living on each side of it.

While global leaders were confirming their commitment to the political settlement, saying there was no alternative, the people involved in the Donbass war knew that at some point shooting would start again. Everyone – the combatants themselves, as well as journalists, volunteers, doctors, priests, and activists – believed this would eventually happen. They believed and prepared. This might be the only thing the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) supporters and Ukrainian patriots have in common: they all know that a new wave of hostility is coming and the notorious “invasion” is inevitable.


https://www.rt.com/russia/548202-donbass-residents-ukrainian-crisis/

[ExomatrixTV]

CNN Pushes War While Smearing Peace Advocates:

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[Mashika]

Also this, my god...

I call it a "Next gen excuse to attack on Russia"

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1489369729131290629?s=20&t=EBxBrv8q-uWfIiteD_y5sQ

Any mod couls help me with this? Should be a twitter post but even after revising it doesn't show smh. :P

Problem is with the part after the ? sign, this "?s=20&t=EBxBrv8q-uWfIiteD_y5sQ" can't be part of the url

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1489369729131290629

Self reference to a previous claim that also had no proof at all, to prove himself right once again? That guys is on a recursive loop, he can't escape it anymore, anything he says, it's proven by a previous claim he said at some point.

That's 'recursive' in a funny lol. It can only go so far until there is no room for more lies and the stack of lies explodes in his face, this was close, he could not stop getting exposed, next time may not be so lucky

[Mashika]

CNN Pushes War While Smearing Peace Advocates:

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At minute 13:46 "Ukraine is a democracy" a "valid elected democracy" ....

LMFAO! A country that got their democratically-elected government removed by force, then a puppet neo-nazi violent and facist government was put in place, which was unilaterarely selected by the US government (the Ukranian people did not vote for them or even had a choice at all) is a "democracy"?

In a way, i'm glad i'm alive in these times, otherwise i would not believe those people are so willfully ignorant or purposedly dissinforming people in this way. I get to see it real time, those people have no morals at all. They are rotten to the very core, and they call it "being a professional journalist" and "democrat freedom loving government" and so on

Amazing to watch! Thanks!

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting new analysis from retired General Jack Keane (who a couple of weeks ago on 24 January said (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1478058&viewfull=1#post1478058) that the window for a Russian incursion would be between 20 Feb and mid-March).

He argues that Putin doesn't want 'ownership" of Ukraine, but influence. To force that, he might drive his forces to Kiev (combined with cyberattacks to take down Ukraine's power grid, etc) — and then withdraw again, having gained concessions and agreements.

(My own view: that makes a lot of sense, and would also explain Putin's statements that he didn't intend to invade Ukraine, while accounting for the evident military build-up. And it also explains Biden's much-criticized remarks that the US would not necessarily respond to an "incursion", while an "invasion" might lead to war.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9aUs7ctzUQ

[Vicus]

This is a 6years old video about Ukraine.


In a format like Grandpa explain his USA grandchildren "real politic"...

Today media control will no accept something like this...that's why is very important

today for the grandchildren of the world biggest duo warmongers USA/UK



The error from all western countries plus Turkey against Russ land though centuries was

always the same: HUBRIS


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[Mashika]

Very telling :)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVWVmH7sYIZwqHyPYx4YU0-BrmKArvNgC99YsXnrNhj57KTauULDKMwceZTgOF7d_XkSUbyZnBon1VRwNW2Zn17z720w77nyTHi10gRvwkQQhdt54qPuil00l-1val3g7Rtt9t7sBsVL2-ItyoUnSSK=w579-h593-no?authuser=0
https://www.google.com/search?q=thousands+of+troops+near+russian+border&newwindow=1&sxsrf=APq-WBsUTXJsU_f1nZa16eaQxDw5TTsHlg%3A1644257841104&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2%2F2%2F2016%2Ccd_max%3A2%2F3%2F2019&tbm=

[Mashika]

Watch State Dept. Official Choke On Lies!
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There is overwhelming evidence of an impending Russian invasion of Ukraine..
https://twitter.com/colonelhomsi/status/1467504408061747204

Some humor, but yeah, this is not a joke, it's for real. Sad, even paintball players, who will most likely never see real battle, know better than what those people are doing. But i guess when you know the 'incoming war' is fake you can play around with people like this. There will be no consequences as they will never see battle or anything remotely related to it

The next "exercises in case of a Russian invasion" took place in Ukraine. I highly recommend watching with sound..Man :facepalm:
https://twitter.com/colonelhomsi/status/1490395002282950658

[Eva2]

https://scontent.fcxh3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/273619945_240308041624169_7735950033670086779_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=5c0uQ4s65M4AX8WJVtF&tn=lAi690vkuhrqixnX&_nc_ht=scontent.fcxh3-1.fna&oh=00_AT_pSwKAoR0Zbwl-3el8oiTQPkazl59tEuGPDxYppG3SUg&oe=6208222E

[Vicus]

UK to arm Ukraine with anti-ship missiles – Kiev

The British-supplied missiles will help Kiev counter Russia in the Black and Azov Seas, Ukraine’s UK envoy has claimed.


Britain will supply Kiev with anti-ship missiles to potentially use against the Russian Navy in the Black Sea, Ukraine’s envoy to Britain, Vadim Pristayko, said in an interview with Novoye Radio on Tuesday. The official did not specify what munitions London is sending, nor the date they are set to arrive in Ukraine.

“For the first time, our armed forces, the Navy in particular, will receive real weapons, missiles that will finally enable us to have something against the Russians in the Black and Azov Seas,” the diplomat said.

The upcoming delivery of anti-ship missiles apparently falls under the £1.7 billion ($2.3 billion) deal, reached by London and Kiev last year. Under the agreement, the UK provides Ukraine with a loan, which Kiev has to pay back within 10 years, with the funds set to be spent on navy-related military hardware supplied by Britain. According to Pristayko, the equipment includes two minesweepers that are currently being “refitted” at a dockyard in Scotland, as well as other hardware.

“Our armed forces had never received such serious funds from abroad for their development,” the diplomat said.

Ukraine has enjoyed an uptick in foreign military aid in recent months amid fears of an allegedly looming attack by its neighbor, Russia. The UK has been among the top arms suppliers of Ukraine, sending in a large cache of NLAW shoulder-fired anti-tank missiles back in January, as well as deploying additional military instructors to teach Ukrainian forces to operate the systems.

Western media outlets and top politicians have repeatedly warned of Moscow’s allegedly imminent invasion of Ukraine, which has failed to materialize so far, with no solid evidence of the existence of such plans ever produced. Moscow has consistently rejected seeking to attack Kiev, denying claims that the movement of its troops in the relative vicinity of the Belarusian or Ukrainian border somehow threaten its neighbor.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba on Monday revealed the scale of foreign military aid Ukraine has already received.

“Ukraine has gotten more international political and economic support, as well as security,” the top diplomat said. “Over these weeks and months, we have received more than $1.5 billion, and more than 1,000 tons of arms and armaments.”


https://www.rt.com/russia/548713-uk-to-arm-ukraine-with/

[rgray222]

I will be clear right upfront. I think that countries have a right to their sovereignty and bully countries like Russia have no right to threaten that sovereignty. If Ukraine wants to join NATO that is their business, if they want to join the clown college that is their business. Just because you live next to a bully that was spawned out of 16 years with the KGB (https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/russiagov/putin.htm) does not mean that the world should acquiesce to the bullies demands.

Putin claims the West broke a promise that was made in the 1990s not to expand NATO "even one inch" beyond Germany. Yes, there were discussions about NATO never expanding beyond Germany but this discussion was ultimately dismissed and never incorporated into any agreements or treaty. Even Gorbachev says that the discussion was never of any consequence. I think any reasonable student of history would easily conclude that this concession by NATO would have changed the complexion of Northern Europe, Central Europe and the Balkans. It would have unleashed Putin's empire-building/restoration desires. If Putin could get the world to agree to this lie that he now repeats at every opportunity it would allow him to re-establish the Soviet Union with little pushback. In a melodramatic speech from the Kremlin in April 2005 Putin said the following.


"Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical catastrophe of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and co-patriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself."

Russia encouraged immigration into the Soviet Satellite countries which brought about all those co-citizens that he is referring to but that is another discussion altogether.

Also never expanding NATO beyond Germany is somewhat ridiculous because several countries that border Russia are already NATO members such as Latvia, Estonia and a host of other countries east of Germany are NATO members. One of the cornerstones of NATOs mission is to provide collective security against the Soviet Union expansion (read empire building). So the thought of stopping any further expansion of NATO beyond Germany makes no sense whatsoever.

President Putin warns that Europe will be dragged into a conflict if Ukraine joins NATO. What a twisted and self-centred view of the world this man has. He stages the largest movement of troops on the planet since WWII, aims hundreds of high powered weapons at strategic targets of his next-door neighbour and has the audacity to tell Europe and the US that it is their fault. Unlike Trudeau, Putin certainly has balls.

Putin has stated on many occasions that the west does not pay attention to him. So in 2008 Putin said he would not say anything of importance (to the west) without taking some sort of action to get their attention. Now because of this childish view, he has painted himself into a corner. He has told the world that he has no desire to invade but after making such a massive show of force he has no choice. His gargantuan ego dictates that he can't back down. So now he must save face by taking some sort of action. There will no doubt be unnecessary loss of life, how much - we can only wait and see.

There will be many that will blame this invasion and loss of life on The USA and Europe but in reality, this is all about Putin, his ego, his desire for an empire and his need to stay in power and relevant to his base in Mother Russia.

On a side note, it always amazes me how far the leaders of countries like Russia, China and others are willing to go no matter the consequences. When you think about it, it is because they have little to no regard for human life.

[Mashika]

I will be clear right upfront. I think that countries have a right to their sovereignty

That's about when your entire post lost all validity as a serious reply to the current issue

The US overthrow the democratic elected government in Ukraine, around 2014, and placed a puppet government that later was 'elected' by pointing a finger to a new puppet. There has not been a real/official elected Ukranian government since 2014

What you think, and what your government thinks, are two completely different things. Your government sit happily for years while 10+ thousands of Ukranian citizens were murdered by their own government

It's only now that they need to destabilize both Ukraine and the EU so they can regain control and be the ones on command that they suddenly care.

Who will make justice for the more than 10 thousand dead Ukrainians while the nazi government imposed by the US was cleansing their territory?

Why are you blinding yourself when the evidence is in clear view, that the people in control and that Ukraine army that has around 125 thousand soldiers ready to kill every person in Donbass is just waiting orders to start the massacre?

Question: Do you know where the Ukraine army is at this point? Have you seen anyone talking about it, at all?

They are not around the Russian border, no sr, they are around the Donbass one, ask yourself and find the answer on your own. Why is the Ukranian army at the Donbass border, far away from Russia, if they claim like a 100 times per day that Russia is going to invade any minute now? Shouldn't they be at the Russian border instead?

Do you care more to save face for the US than for the lives of hundreds or thousands of innocents?

Let me tell you what "peace" means for them in the Nazi controlled part of Ukraine

It means "once those people are not there, we will have peace". And that's because dead people can't fight back, so now you are free to do whatever you want with no resistance

Your government is enabling that, are you part of? Please go research more and find the actual facts. It's out there trust me,and a lot have been posted here as well.

Unless you don't want to and blind yourself from the truth. In the end, it's up to you

The time has come for people to realise the US government is full of demented people, they don't care for anyone but themselves, and they are proving it a 100 times per day right now in front of all of us

They (whoever was in power at the time) have never cared. No one does, it's a game and if you play it then you are not a victim of it. Learn the facts and go spend time looking for the truth

ETA: You are being very trollish about this. Skipping facts, talking about things out of context, basically ignoring the actual issue in Ukraine and what's truly the source of the problem. So yeah i ignored everything else you said because it has nothing to do with what's going on here

I don't think you have truly looked into the root of this modern/current problem, otherwise you would know all you said it's completely invalid and just a means to derail and confuse

Just earlier today i watched a short tv show, then i read this :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::bigsmile:

https://www.rt.com/russia/548949-truss-recognize-sovereignty-regions/



According to the outlet, London’s top diplomat stressed that Moscow must withdraw its armed forces from the frontier with Ukraine, at which Lavrov reiterated that the Russian military is stationed in its own territory and has the right to conduct maneuvers within its borders.

The veteran Russian official is said to have turned to Truss and asked whether London recognizes Moscow’s sovereignty over the regions of Rostov and Voronezh, where large troop movements are said to have taken place in recent days, close to the Ukrainian border.

After a moment’s contemplation, the British diplomat reportedly replied that the UK “will never recognize Russia’s sovereignty over these regions.”

The interaction is said to have spurred Deborah Bronnert, the UK’s ambassador to Moscow, to swoop in and quietly remind her colleague that the two are actually considered Russian territory even by her own government.

See? That's a problem, if someone is going to go parrot talking points, they are least should know a bit of geography, or they could end up in an embarrassing situation

By the way did you know that some videos taken by drones, have recorded Ukranian military faking deaths and faking explosions so that they can show soldiers dying? More will be uploaded soon but there are a few already uploaded around the web.

They act getting killed, then they get up and walk back with other soldiers as if nothing happened :) They got caught by drones. They are still as inept as they were in 2014.. ups

:bowing:

[Mashika]

Before anyone from the US claims or comes judging, please go resolve this little problem that has been happening for 50+ years now

It's just not acceptable to keep repeating the same "any moment now" lie for years while looking the other way when your government 'actually' is killing people all over the world by the millions. Stop looking away, you have a big problem to solve, and you are being redirected to denounces Russia every minute of the day. Guess what, your government is the one actually doing the killing they claim Russia wants to do 'any day now'.

Stop looking away, it's the real thing, not a 'potential future'

https://twitter.com/TamrikoT/status/1492001727763132425


All we hear in the West is #Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.

Why NOBODY is talking about the aftermath of Biden’s recent special op in #Syria’s #Idlib killing 6 children and 4 women?
When will #US and #NATO regimes be held accountable for constant war crimes against humanity?


https://twitter.com/TamrikoT/status/1492001727763132425/

[Mashika]

The way this is happening now, it's causing a lot of people to laugh hard at any announce about the 'imminent invasion'. Just like this

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLW-4xec1ROPqaSli0E3BJISj2dLUWwppXmOt4zavNwk7VaLZCU3Bxw476dAQidIHlfPk6Km_lVFiJjS2vqYf3o7UNnUFnpMsuo0k5GE FZ4KTJCS2oBYcPvxFhkj5BmiPXqYuNaVOzoiEkYoLm807Jz-=w447-h562-no?authuser=0

How many times throughout the years can you claim the same and not be told to stop lying?

But i heard the US has new arm sells to other countries now, big sells. I mean they have to protect against a possible imminent invasion of some kind

Once the arms sell and the control gets back into the US hands, then the hysterical rhetoric will slow down for a while, just like every single year before this one

Rinse and repeat

[Johnnycomelately]

Malisa your twitter link doesn’t work, but here’s a Newsweek story that says those death numbers are officially proposed. This count is new to me, since the original announcement was that only Mr. Target and his immediate family were killed, and that that was because he pressed his own button.

https://www.newsweek.com/civilian-casualties-syria-raid-that-killed-isis-leader-may-climb-higher-1678248

I am aware of many problems in the way the US prosecutes it’s ‘wars’, but I’m not swayed by this case. Guy slept with a ‘vest’ on, with women and children around him. Russia would have dumb-bombed the lot, if he was on their list.

[Mashika]

Malisa your twitter link doesn’t work,

Yes, i tried to post the original but it didn't work, so i added a link to it above the quote so anyone interested would follow that second one, i don't know why it doesn't work, it's the same as any other link



but here’s a Newsweek story that says those death numbers are officially proposed. This count is new to me, since the original announcement was that only Mr. Target and his immediate family were killed, and that that was because he pressed his own button.

https://www.newsweek.com/civilian-casualties-syria-raid-that-killed-isis-leader-may-climb-higher-1678248

Have you seen how most of the news sites and channels from any place other than the western approved ones have been removed? That's why you will never hear the other side

Don't know if you remember, but there was a channel on youtube named "Anna-News". And they posted an investigation on how the US paid the ISIS terrorist with fake money, the posted a video about it with full proof of the money and other things, then not two hours later the entire channel got removed from youtube :)



Guy slept with a ‘vest’ on, with women and children around him
The only person who said this was who? I'm sorry but the US is not a reliable source of anything anymore. The lies are just way too many at this point. How many other times are you willing to hear the same lie?



Russia would have dumb-bombed the lot, if he was on their list.

But it didn't happen, this is not useful or a valid point. Also please point me to an instance of this happening, with real proof, not just "Intelligence from the US" which we already know is "i said it and that's all you need to know"


"May or may not, supposedly, possibly, imminent, as close as tomorrow, this week, any day now, plausible" are not valid points, it's a bunch of manipulative arguments only

Remember this? Probably not

https://www.timesofisrael.com/blinken-to-kazakhstan-its-hard-to-get-russians-to-leave-once-theyre-in-your-home/



WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Friday that Kazakhstan will find it difficult to lower Russian influence after inviting in troops to quell unrest.

“I think one lesson in recent history is that once Russians are in your house, it’s sometimes very difficult to get them to leave,” Blinken told reporters.

Kazakhstan invited in the Russian-dominated Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) to combat rare protests sparked by concern over fuel prices.

“It would seem to me that the Kazakh authorities and government certainly have the capacity to deal appropriately with protests, to do so in a way that respects the rights of protesters while maintaining law and order, so it’s not clear why they feel the need for any outside assistance,” Blinken said.

It does look to me like that's a snake whispering out of spite

Yet when Germany asked for some troops to leave and then later soon enough it turned into "US troops will never leave Germany"

I believe the medical term is psychological projection :)

There has been a lot, and i mean "a lot" ad nauseam talk about "Russian aggression" and about the 100+ thousand soldiers around Ukraine border

Questions:

1. Point in a very definitive, inclusive and extensive way, what this means
2. Point to me any kind of proof that those soldiers are there and as the US/Uk never stop talking about, imminent invasion. I mean there should be thousands or tanks, rocket launchers, cabins, trucks and all that, right? Where are they? Satellites should have made enough sure to take pictures of them, can you post some of that evidence? I'm sure there is plenty, to have such tremendous and certain claims
3. Logistics, for 100+ thousand soldiers, you need lots of logistics and other things

If you have 100 thousand soldiers, they need to rotate, soldiers are not machines they need to rest somewhere, go out for a while, and someone else has to take over meanwhile, then you need camps for them, and truck foods coming over and out every single day or if not then every week and then you need those giant refrigerators to keep food for a while, then you need special services like hospitals and radars and communications all that stuff

Where is it? Are you going to tell me there is no picture of it? Where are the drones watching over? Are you being lied to? Think

[Mashika]

A previous post on Twitter i linked seems to be gone, i don't know what happened but here's the account that posted it first

https://twitter.com/TamrikoT

Some posts may not be in English, and some may be, it's up to posters, hope you may find something useful there :)

[Johnnycomelately]

I remember Anna News. Back when LiveLeak existed somebody regularly posted vids under that banner, of Syrian heavies in urban fighting. I recall being fully on the side of the SAA there, due to obvious interference in the country’s affairs by foreign powers by then. It was a real heart breaker to later learn of their torture programs.

Re: your questions, I think you mistake me for somebody else. I’m the guy who says, #1, better say “PTSDeezNuts!”, and #2, 🎶 No, woman no cry 🎶. ~8ę

[Mashika]

I remember Anna News. Back when LiveLeak existed somebody regularly posted vids under that banner, of Syrian heavies in urban fighting. I recall being fully on the side of the SAA there, due to obvious interference in the country’s affairs by foreign powers by then. It was a real heart breaker to later learn of their torture programs.

Re: your questions, I think you mistake me for somebody else. I’m the guy who says, #1, better say “PTSDeezNuts!”, and #2, 🎶 No, woman no cry 🎶. ~8ę

I don't know, i think i replied to the guy who said this



Malisa your twitter link doesn’t work, but here’s a Newsweek story that says those death numbers are officially proposed. This count is new to me, since the original announcement was that only Mr. Target and his immediate family were killed, and that that was because he pressed his own button.
https://www.newsweek.com/civilian-ca...higher-1678248


Then


I am aware of many problems in the way the US prosecutes it’s ‘wars’, but I’m not swayed by this case. Guy slept with a ‘vest’ on, with women and children around him.


And then


Russia would have dumb-bombed the lot, if he was on their list.


I believe i replied to all of your arguments, in sequence and with some valid arguments

So anything gives by now

:)

[Mashika]

Well there you go, if you can explain please do

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUBzFR44RYEGBQG0_THyP_t3RT4UmQpMxklch0HdSGp1jTQ9uRVAfYbPCSzXI4zTIhmPdGyFvcLTOr3XXWcu9VEf9UWgH5fnKi sd9I35Q83PG0v8OxxM-ahAbchz2Y4_FHKVZ6exVWil4Ukg2jGRIrB=w486-h153-no?authuser=0

What was the name of the US military top who claimed that "the Soviet Union will never invade Ukraine"? And he said that, lol

This is not the first instance, or second at all, that the ignorance takes part when people from the UK/US talk about these things related to Ukraine

They are just simply, ignorant. They could not care less. They are not able to read a book or seem to have gone through school at all. Unless you tell me school is retarded education for retarded adults. Since they can't look at a map before a world changing event meeting

Please explain why your diplomats are ignorant fools but still got to talk to educated people as if they 'knew things'. This is not a movie, please tell them that real life is not "4 of July" movie, they don't know better!

[Mashika]

I remember Anna News. Back when LiveLeak existed somebody regularly posted vids under that banner, of Syrian heavies in urban fighting. I recall being fully on the side of the SAA there, due to obvious interference in the country’s affairs by foreign powers by then. It was a real heart breaker to later learn of their torture programs.

Re: your questions, I think you mistake me for somebody else. I’m the guy who says, #1, better say “PTSDeezNuts!”, and #2, 🎶 No, woman no cry 🎶. ~8ę

Just because i don't think you understand.

It's not a game, it's real, the people die, and their blood smells in the air, and their eyes are things lost, you can't look at them you have to look away. That death is not the normal death, you don't get it. If you did, you would be doing the total opposite of what you did today.

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[Mashika]

The lies continue, it is now obvious beyond any doubt that people are being lied openly and ethics are non-existent in western media

This is shameful and much more
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLXKplJ5pU2cpfOqG-cY_olrtZOx2OflRHxIcjDRzgzE_TpeC5KXujyzIMJ5nz94PmnfhvFzx5oYrzq_eH5IMTbEEbwr3dkQVxWKXM0-X2JMlLfnNJpntG5OJoq1M2auyZBPHMjyqxLSvwllhiuhBQd1=w466-h418-no?authuser=0

It was a lie, she got called on it and pretended not to know, the original tweet is still active. On this other tweet you can see the video that proves Emma Burrows is openly lying and manipulating
https://twitter.com/Malinka1102/status/1491869849286553606

Sad state of journalism
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLW8FLU1hqMDO2fB7n_KNgDkHRgQTmzW9VMcdulV7sm-AMuy7FL99rUh2aIaxexcM0hMSvjFDuJK5Dfm1iVYvOgFH-nZ8jGzOT1zyEFSFnTmwrJZcTRSv66CWcDGylE13o32cu--fWcz3yiccVqTiK8O=w476-h362-no?authuser=0

[Ewan]

One version of history that reminds us of events in the Ukraine.

Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4)

Hopefully Malisa will add her perspective and correct anything that may be skewed, though it is pointing the finger at the US and Nato.

[Ewan]

Latest from David Paulides talking about the current state of affairs...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFWZ277XAVo


This segment of the news contains information on the following:
State Dept Press Conference, 2/8/22
John Kerry

[Vicus]

BERLIN (Sputnik) - Germany's lethal weapons supplies to Kiev are unacceptable and would not contribute to the constrictive development of bilateral relations between Russia and Germany, Russian Ambassador to Berlin Sergey Nechaev said.

"The country's leading politicians, including Chancellor [Olaf Scholz] and German Foreign Minister [Annalena Baerbock], share the understanding that it is unacceptable to supply lethal weapons to Ukraine, given that it would in no way facilitate either the settlement process or the constructive development of Russian-German relations," Nechaev said.

In recent weeks, Kiev has repeatedly criticized Berlin over its refusal to provide direct military assistance to Ukraine as well as hindering arms deliveries by NATO allies. Scholz dismissed the criticism on Monday, saying that Germany would not allow weapons export to crisis regions, noting that Berlin seeks to support Ukraine economically, rather than militarily.

Russia firmly denies having any intention to escalate the situation in Ukraine and has repeatedly stated that rising fears of Russia's alleged incursion into Ukraine are used as a pretext for advancing NATO's military presence in Eastern Europe. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said that Moscow does not incite tensions around Ukraine, with the turmoil being deliberately promoted by the West to cover Kiev's line to sabotage the Minsk agreements on Donbas.


https://sputniknews.com/20220211/russias-ambassador-says-germanys-lethal-weapons-supplies-to-ukraine-unacceptable-1092930462.html

[ExomatrixTV]

‘That’s a World War’: Biden Warns Americans to Flee Ukraine Ahead of Potential War:

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[Open Minded Dude]

So the Western MSM know for sure the invasion will start in 4 days on February 16th ... :facepalm:

https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/in-4-tagen-ist-krieg-usa-nennen-datum-fuer-russischen-angriff-auf-die-ukraine/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


“In 4 days there will be war” – US names date for Russian attack on Ukraine
The war propaganda in the West knows no stopping. For months, a date for the Russian attack on Ukraine has been announced almost every week. Now it should be February 16th.

What politicians and the media do in the West is, by definition, war propaganda. For months, a date for the Russian attack on Ukraine has been announced almost weekly, without the attack ever having happened. The media hysteria is intended to fuel anti-Russian sentiment and gives the lie to Western narratives of being interested in peace. Those who are interested in peace de-escalate - both through deeds and verbally. The West is doing the opposite, sending more and more arms to Ukraine, turning down Russia's offers of talks, and waging anti-Russian media campaign after anti-Russian campaign.

USA: Russian attack on February 16

Now the US has leaked to the media that on Friday it warned its allies of a February 16 Russian attack. The amount of information leaked to the media shows that the reports should get to the media. The warnings from the USA also have consequences, as reports have been mounting since Saturday that more and more states are asking their citizens to leave Ukraine as quickly as possible.

[Mashika]

US nuclear submarine approached the shores of Russia
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[Mare]

Knowing what we know, or at least knowing what we think we know about the way the world is really run - is it really east v west/west v east? I ask you!

[Mashika]

Knowing what we know, or at least knowing what we think we know about the way the world is really run - is it really east v west/west v east? I ask you!

As my grand father used to say: "If you go too far into the east, you eventually reach the west" :)

[Bill Ryan]

This might make Malisa laugh. :) (It's a real headline)

https://projectavalon.net/CNN_to_delay_Ukrain_ invasion_to_capture_US_weapons.gif

[Mashika]

This might make Malisa laugh. :) (It's a real headline)

https://projectavalon.net/CNN_to_delay_Ukrain_ invasion_to_capture_US_weapons.gif

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

https://twitter.com/Liberty5380/status/1492565724220514311

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1492573316997160962

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A Ukrainian joke:
-Why is our army attacking Donbass?
-Because the Russian army invaded there.
-Why is our army not attacking Crimea?
-Because the Russian army is really there.

- USA: Have you seen Russia invade Ukraine?
- World: No
- USA: You're welcome

:ROFL:

[Mashika]

One version of history that reminds us of events in the Ukraine.

Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4)

Hopefully Malisa will add her perspective and correct anything that may be skewed, though it is pointing the finger at the US and Nato.

That was very accurate. Some notes below

1. Russia’s involvement in Donbass was not high back in 2014, it was mostly volunteers and the people born on those regions fighting against the coup, but this wasn’t very well known back then in 2015, no information was truly available to the outside world. There were people fighting along the separatists (Ukranian born soldiers and civilians) that came from lots of other countries to support, but small numbers only, the majority of the separatists were and are still Ukrainian born citizens. In other words if Russia had truly helped we would have a similar situation as in Crimea right now, but we don't because it was 'their fight for independence', not Russia's

It has always been a lie that Russia invaded Donbass, it had been all along Ukranian born citizens that happen to speak Russian, lots of people speak Russian in Ukraine, but this fact was used to lie and say "Russian invaded Donbass"

And when the US media says "go back home" to the Russian army, they are actually talking to the Donbass army from the separatists, but they are home, they are Ukranian. They are not Russian born at all. The media is just lying openly and in a very dirty way because they know no one in the west, from their viewers will ever look into it and figure out the lie

2. Greater Russia starts with the Belarus agreement for the Union State and then with the Eurasian Union. Both are very much not important at this stage, but could turn into “Greater Russia” as was called on that video if the conditions allow or require

The Union State
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State

The Eurasian Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Union

3. Kazakhstan is a separate state but they would be interested in a ‘greater Russia’ union, that’s why the failed coup happened. West tried to prevent a government that would be partial to Russia, or that would look into creating an union to become stronger. And you know there is the CSTO which acted quickly and shutdown the coup.

Merging the CSTO countries with the Eurasian or the Union State would definitely create the ‘Greater Russia’ some people talk about


4. Donbass regions want to join Russia after they become separate independent states, but this may not happen at all if the Minsk agreements are truly implemented. Ukraine refuses to implement the Minsk Agreements, why? It would benefit Ukraine in the end. It doesn't look like the Ukraine government is able to chose their path at all, so they are shooting themselves in the foot forcefully by West mandate

At this point it looks more like the west governments are pushing hard for these ex-soviet states to feel in danger and re-create the union, only this time it would not be "soviet" but instead "Greater Russia"

It would for sure cause a massive arms sales from the US into European countries, maybe that's the final goal, to put half the world against the other half and cause crisis all over so that they can come up as "saviors" and sell a lot of armament because of the "any day now" fake threat

The west is running out of countries to invade.. The money needs to keep flowing and NATO is running out of excuses to keep controlling Europe. A new cold war would solve those problems

Just saying


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This also happened

Ukraine’s US lobbying army exposed
https://www.rt.com/russia/549190-ukrainian-lobbyists-congress-americans/

The tremendous amount of propaganda on western media is killing Ukraine, they are finally getting tired and looking at what's truly happening, they are very much being used and they know it, but they are way too deep into the mud by now, it will be hard to find a way out

Ukraine’s president asks West to share evidence of alleged Russian invasion
https://www.rt.com/russia/549180-zelensky-data-invasion-russia/

[ExomatrixTV]

Trump Rips Biden On Ukraine: ‘This Should Have Never Happened’:

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[Richter]

Mainstream Press Runs Fake Headline that Could’ve Kicked Off WWIII
February 12, 2022
By Matt Agorist

All too often, the American citizens and the rest of the world at large put so much faith in mainstream media that they are led into dangerous and deadly situations — based entirely on lies. One glaring and extremely relevant instance is how the corporate media became a parroting organization for the lies leading up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised,” then-president George Bush asserted in a public address on March 17, 2003. “This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against Iraq’s neighbors and against Iraq’s people.”

Bush’s assertions were questioned by not only human rights experts, but by U.N. weapons inspectors and countless others — so shortly after the U.S. invaded the sovereign nation, the New York Times took up the slack to fill in the appropriate casus belli.

Nearly two decades after hundreds of thousands of innocent people were slaughtered in the conflict created by the United States, the world knows — there were never any weapons of mass destruction.

While the US often invents fake stories to convince the population to support its wars for profit, its media also parrots other dangerous fake news stories that have potential for massive and catastrophic results.

Case in point: 'Live: Russia invades Ukraine.' – Bloomberg Headline Feb. 4, 2022.

Given the current climate of tension between Ukraine, Russia and the United States, and the Pentagon’s promise to defend the corrupt state of Ukraine with acts of war, this headline, which ran on Bloomberg — for 30 minutes — had the potential for absolute devastation.

CONTINUE: https://www.activistpost.com/2022/02/mainstream-press-runs-fake-headline-that-couldve-kicked-off-wwiii-again-and-no-one-cares.html

[Mashika]

US/UK Go Into Panic over Ukraine War. Russia Conducts Exercises in Belarus. Zelensky Calls for Calm
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The window is closing and i believe the US/UK are so hard pushing this because there's something they have not said so far about their own situation. They indeed desperately need to destabilize Europe and Asia.

The question is, what's going on right now, on the US/UK side, they are not telling anyone?

The coup in Kazakhstan failed badly, then immediately we see this media show about Ukraine 'imminent invasion'? They need a way in to destroy the progress and retain control, so it seems. And they are now desperate and in a terrible urge to cause a crisis very soon. I have never seen such desperate attempt to cause harm in this way. The western governments are hiding something

First:

The western media keeps talking about the 100+ thousand soldiers at the Ukraine border, but with no evidence of any of it

They fail to mention that soldiers in Russia are distributed in such a way that they are not 'grouped' enough to be able at all to invade anyone, ever

They also fail to mention exactly where these soldiers are

And last, they don't mention where the Ukrainian soldiers are, any map they show is only on the Russian side, ask yourself why

Second:
It does look like the 'new cold war' is being precipitated by the US, possibly because they have lost a big place in the world as the leading/controlling country

So now they need to impose in a hard way, and if Ukraine has to go down in order to save the US, they that's how it will happen

Questions must be asked

ETA:

Need to add that the urgency from the US to have the call with Biden/Putin this weekend is suspicious

To me, it looks like "We need to say 'we tried to talk to them but they still went and attacked Ukraine', we tried to prevent it, but now we have to act and save those poor people"

It goes on those lines since they already announced the date of the planned 'invasion' that not even the Ukrainian president knew about

You have to wonder why a country on the other side of the world knows the date when Ukraine will be invade by Russia, but the actual 'president' of Ukraine is left out of the intelligence and conversation before it was announced to the entire world

This is a sham and every government knows it, they are just trapped so much into the lie that they can't do much about it, even if they will be hurt by this entire fake issue and war

What do they know they are not sharing, not even with the Ukraine government? The sacrificial lamb has been chosen?

Australia shuts down Kiev embassy
Canberra says the staff of its embassy in Ukraine were ordered to leave the capital in a “temporary” move
https://www.rt.com/russia/549194-australia-embassy-temporary-suspension/

[Mashika]

EU banks told to prepare for Russian attacks
https://www.rt.com/russia/549025-eu-banks-prepare-attacks/



Moscow may sponsor hackers to target financial institutions, European Central Bank warns

No evidence needed, "may" is the keyword



The warning comes as Russia stands accused of placing more than 100,000 soldiers near its border with Ukraine, with some believing this is a sign of an impending military incursion.

Around 9 years of the same lie seems to never get old :)


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVWVmH7sYIZwqHyPYx4YU0-BrmKArvNgC99YsXnrNhj57KTauULDKMwceZTgOF7d_XkSUbyZnBon1VRwNW2Zn17z720w77nyTHi10gRvwkQQhdt54qPuil00l-1val3g7Rtt9t7sBsVL2-ItyoUnSSK=w579-h593-no?authuser=0

I'm sorry but this is beyond hilarious now :D

[Mashika]

It has been determined by logistical and advance satellite and ground intel that the invasion of Ukraine will happen yesterday at -1 pm

There are -100 thousand soldiers somewhere, no one knows where, but certainly there are at least a -100 thousands of them, probably at home, but who knows..

[Bill Ryan]

This may mean nothing (and I'm not qualified to judge!) — but it does seem a little strange that Russia would be evacuating their own Kiev embassy if nothing at all was going to happen.

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1492457600750866432
1492457600750866432

[Mike Gorman]

I sense that Russia is exasperated, it seems the Pentagon people are intent on antagonizing Russia and the Russophobes' are in ascendancy - they really could do the unthinkable, the insane sick fools

[avid]

Why are USA and Uk puppets promoting a potential ‘hornets nest’ - follow the money…
This is inexcusable, the folk in UK are being duped into a Schwab Economic fiasco, the tentacles are everywhere. Look at the beleaguered ‘Turdo’ who sold it’s soul years ago to the WEF.
Schwab’s WEF is stirring the pot continuously, as they know we are onto them. Globally. Corruption beyond belief in most countries. Thank goodness for these brave folk all over the world who are standing up to evil, even if they don’t know the full scenario. Let’s hope there is a massive momentum in the truth at last 🤞🤞🤞🤞

[Vicus]

Trump interview video remember me about short span attention...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1482239&viewfull=1#post1482239

I remember the "police" action against Gadhafi/Libya executed by USA/NATO, result of that came the arsenal for

"invented" ISIS... and the next chaos for middle orient...

In his electoral campaign Trump pay many theaters for the people to see free this film:

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi481015065?playlistId=tt4172430&ref_=tt_pr_ov_vi


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Hours:_The_Secret_Soldiers_of_Benghazi


you see the "left" hand from CIA, Oburm Bama, and high satanic which everywhere...



Today you see a fantastic arsenal "left" to Taliban's...you don't need to be a rocket scientist to imagine what comes next...

"Insurrections" in all Russian borders countries...

A blind can see what's coming next... :cool:

Already happens in Kajasthan ...

[Mashika]

Luhansk: Withdrawal of Western Observers From Donbass is Preparation for ‘Large-Scale Provocation’
https://sputniknews.com/20220213/lugansk-withdrawal-of-western-observers-from-donbass-is-preparation-for-large-scale-provocation-1092985600.html

https://cdnn1.img.sputniknews.com/img/105493/71/1054937196_0:160:3073:1888_1280x0_80_0_0_693af54ce67b632ce04b4f96ec80d809.jpg.webp


"The recall of representatives by the European Union, the United States, and the United Kingdom from the OSCE SMM is a conscious step by the West to block the flow of official information from Ukraine, and the military danger has nothing to do with it. This is preparations for some kind of a large-scale provocation," Miroshnik said.



Clearly the preparations for the classic US style false flag are almost complete. Why remove the observers? Supposedly because of danger, but nothing has happened at all that would put them in danger, and they were there in 2014/2015 when the battle was ongoing. It seems very suspicious to remove them now when no single bullet has been shot, and when they were in the middle of a battle back then with no problem. This is just an excuse to cut out the world from knowing what's truly happening inside Donbass

[rgray222]

On August 23, 1989, about 2 million people from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania formed a human chain that united all 3 countries to show the world their desire to escape the Soviet Union and Communism. They maintained that Communism brought only poverty and suffering. This powerful display of solidarity stretched for over 600 KM.

https://i.imgur.com/BRXrUjL.jpg

[ExomatrixTV]

Ukraine's Leader Insists Russia Is Not Invading (https://odysee.com/@RonPaul:d/ukraine-leader-russia-not-invading:c?r=23eqQ4CUVPrVQrVrLgPmoBnbKKN3PK7V) -- Invited Biden To Come Visit Ukraine

I tried to embed this video: https://odysee.com/@RonPaul:d/ukraine-leader-russia-not-invading:c?r=23eqQ4CUVPrVQrVrLgPmoBnbKKN3PK7V using the https://projectavalon.net/images/odysee.png option.

won't let me :( I tried many different ways.

[ExomatrixTV]

On August 23, 1989, about 2 million people from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania formed a human chain that united all 3 countries to show the world their desire to escape the Soviet Union and Communism. They maintained that Communism brought only poverty and suffering. This powerful display of solidarity stretched for over 600 KM.

https://i.imgur.com/BRXrUjL.jpg


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The Baltic Way or Baltic Chain (also Chain of Freedom;[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way#cite_note-1) Estonian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_language): Balti kett; Latvian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_language): Baltijas ceļš; Lithuanian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_language): Baltijos kelias; Russian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): Балтийский путь Baltiysky put) was a peaceful political demonstration that occurred on 23 August 1989. Approximately two million people joined their hands to form a human chain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chain_(politics)) spanning 675.5 kilometres (419.7 mi) across the three Baltic states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_states) of Estonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic), Latvia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic) and Lithuania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic), which at the time were constituent republics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union) of the Soviet Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union).

The demonstration originated in "Black Ribbon Day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ribbon_Day)" protests held in the western cities in the 1980s. It marked the 50th anniversary of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact) between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany). The pact and its secret protocols divided Eastern Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe) into spheres of influence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spheres_of_influence) and led to the occupation of the Baltic states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Baltic_states) in 1940. The event was organised by Baltic pro-independence movements: Rahvarinne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Front_of_Estonia) of Estonia, the Tautas fronte (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Front_of_Latvia) of Latvia, and Sąjūdis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C4%85j%C5%ABdis) of Lithuania. The protest was designed to draw global attention by demonstrating a popular desire for independence and showcasing solidarity among the three nations. It has been described as an effective publicity campaign, and an emotionally captivating and visually stunning scene.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way#cite_note-drei-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way#cite_note-3) The event presented an opportunity for the Baltic activists to publicise the Soviet rule and position the question of Baltic independence not only as a political matter, but also as a moral issue. The Soviet authorities responded to the event with intense rhetoric,[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way#cite_note-drei-2) but failed to take any constructive actions that could bridge the widening gap between the Baltic republics and the rest of the Soviet Union. After seven months of the protest, Lithuania became the first Soviet republic to declare independence.

After the Revolutions of 1989 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989), 23 August has become an official remembrance day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_day) both in the Baltic countries, in the European Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) and in other countries, known as the Black Ribbon Day or as the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Day_of_Remembrance_for_Victims_of_Stalinism_and_Nazism).


source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way)

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Baltic Way: 30 Years Since The 600-km Human Chain That Helped Trigger The Collapse Of Communism (https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/23/baltic-way-30-years-since-the-600-km-human-chain-that-helped-trigger-the-collapse-of-commu)!





Awesome :thumbsup::bowing:

[pounamuknight]

On August 23, 1989, about 2 million people from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania formed a human chain that united all 3 countries to show the world their desire to escape the Soviet Union and Communism. They maintained that Communism brought only poverty and suffering. This powerful display of solidarity stretched for over 600 KM.

https://i.imgur.com/BRXrUjL.jpg

Any pictures of a young Victoria Nuland handing out cookies?

Irony is if this happened right now inside the belly of the empire, with of protestors ringed outside Whitehouse & Pentagon, they'd be smeared "Russians" and more warmongering & bombs would be pumped into Ukraine

[Mashika]

People from Donbass should try this, maybe they will finally have a voice that the west can't silence. Just kidding, they can't, the Ukrainian snipers would kill them for fun, not even a line of kids in front of the adults would stop them, and that's proven fact :)

It would be great if the UN and associates would go through Donbass and make a census/referendum and ask the people there why they want to leave the Ukrainian state. That would be great, but of course the wished of those people are ignored, as we can see by the lack of any reports on who are the people living in Donbass and why are they trying to break apart into separate states since 2014

Unless people are so naive that when they call Ukranian born citizens in Donbass "Russian invaders" they truly think people born in Russia truly came and took over homes and invaded the regions :)

I supposed Russia moved millions of people into Donbass without anyone noticing, between 2014/2015, and the previous original people living in Donbass just disappeared one day.

Maybe it's "Invasion of Russian Body Snatchers" conspiracy

"One day they were Ukranian citizens, then the Nazi coup happened, but that wasn't the worse thing! Through the night, the sleeping bodies or the entire Donbass population were snatched by Russian spies! Millions of people were suddenly replaced by Russian invaders"

:raining::sherlock::smash:


On August 23, 1989, about 2 million people from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania formed a human chain that united all 3 countries to show the world their desire to escape the Soviet Union and Communism. They maintained that Communism brought only poverty and suffering. This powerful display of solidarity stretched for over 600 KM.

https://i.imgur.com/BRXrUjL.jpg

[Eric J (Viking)]

Russian Military Drills Are Ending — Russian MOD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqM23XFc68w

Russia said on Tuesday some of its military units were returning to their bases after exercises near Ukraine, following days of U.S. and British warnings that Moscow might invade its neighbour at any time.

It was not clear how many units were being withdrawn, and by what distance, after a build-up of an estimated 130,000 Russian troops to the north, east and south of Ukraine
Source: https://www.today.ng/news/world/russia-troops-ukraine-returning-base-410915

Dow futures jump more than 300 points as Russia pulls back some troops from Ukraine border
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/14/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html

Posting source and discussions:
BREAKING: Putin is Ready to Negotiate on Ukraine. Some Troops Returning to Bases
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message5046311/pg1


Viking

[avid]

At last, common sense prevails, there was no threat, just warmongering hype from USA as usual.
There were always exercises everywhere, how near is ‘near’? 200kms+ is surely acceptable for a country to do what it wants in its own boundaries.
Sadly, UK involved. Why can’t we just keep our noses out of the USA gutter pot-stirrings?
Diversionary tactics in the MSM against Truths coming out at ‘home’? Dodgy President, weird financial goings-on?
Fed up with ‘fly-paper’ tactics, some of us won’t adhere to their rhetoric. :thumbsdown:

[Zamolxe]

This might make Malisa laugh. :) (It's a real headline)

https://projectavalon.net/CNN_to_delay_Ukrain_ invasion_to_capture_US_weapons.gif

If you actually thought that the headline is real and intuition or common sense didn't tell you it was a joke... I want to warn you:
In case you receive an email from a Nigerian prince that wants to send you money... don't reply, it's a scam :ROFL:

Original video from 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGPJUBMjGic

[ExomatrixTV]

An Off-Ramp from War? Russia Says It Pulled Back Some Troops from Ukraine Border as Talks Continue:

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How the assumed "more intelligent" part of the leftist media talks about the ~"pending war" that could trigger not only WW3 WW4 but also create a global energy crisis all in favor for the Dystopian (not so) "Great" Reset Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset)! ... you be the judge if they are truly honest & balanced or play in to the weapons if mass distraction to divert the attention away from the world-wide protests against "rule by decree" tyranny!


Tucker: Does Biden Want War?

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(Stupid question as Biden is just a WEF Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset) Puppet).

I commented this on Tuckers video: Stupid question as Biden is just a WEF Agenda2030 "The great Reset" Puppet ... ~"pending war" that could trigger not only WW4 (WW3 = pl@ndemic final stage!) but also create a global energy crisis all in favor for the Dystopian (not so) "Great" Reset Agenda2030! ... you be the judge if the leftists mass media are truly honest & balanced or play in to the weapons if mass distraction to divert the attention away from the world-wide protests against "rule by decree" tyranny! ... Time to #MandateFreedom!


cheers,
John

[Mashika]

The announcement that the troops would return after the drill was actually made a few days ago. This is just the usual media lying and manipulating to make it seem like somehow the west has turned things around and forced the "invading" troops to leave

In fact, even now they are still manipulating the truth, see here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60386141


Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dymytro Kuleba said he would believe the withdrawal when he sees it but "we have managed together with our partners to deter Russia from any further escalation".


Pure manipulation of the truth :)

And on 20 February they will claim that Russia had to leave Belarus due to pressure, even if everybody knows that's the final day of the Russia-Belarus drills.

The web is full of the same 'article' by now, just repeating the same lies over and over non stop

"US urges its citizens to leave Belarus"
https://7news.com.au/news/conflict/us-urges-its-citizens-to-leave-belarus-c-5704557


The advisory warned the situation in Belarus was "unpredictable" due to an increase in unusual and concerning Russian military activity near the border with Ukraine


There is nothing unpredictable about military drills that happen constantly every year and that are well documented and everybody knows when those would start and end, but that doesn't the stop the US to lie openly

If you search '"US urges its citizens to leave Belarus" most every article returned has the exact same text, word by word, regardless of site you are reading it on :)

[mizo]

recent update:

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1493623721948585987
1493623721948585987

[abc]

I have my doubts about Russia actually invading Ukraine, but maybe more of a "Let's see how the Biden administration would respond". Putin may be a crazed dictator, but I believe that he is smart enough to not destabilize the world even further during a time of great instability from the plandemic. This whole ordeal has shown Russia that they can do quite a lot before the Biden administration bites back.

Maybe Biden will only allow small Russian military operations in Ukraine, who knows.

[yelik]

While we are all distracted by potential war the satanists are arranging a shift in power from national governments to the WHO and world economic forum in relation to future plandemics, climate change and digital currencies.

As Governments ease off on the mandates people will go home and forget the evil still lurking in the background until next time.

[Vicus]

Another perspective...


The Crisis in Ukraine Is Not About Ukraine. It's About Germany


“The primordial interest of the United States, over which for centuries we have fought wars– the First, the Second and Cold Wars– has been the relationship between Germany and Russia, because united there, they’re the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn’t happen.” George Friedman, STRATFOR CEO at The Chicago Council on Foreign Affairs.



The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.


The US Foreign Policy establishment is not happy about these developments. They don’t want Germany to become more dependent on Russian gas because commerce builds trust and trust leads to the expansion of trade. As relations grow warmer, more trade barriers are lifted, regulations are eased, travel and tourism increase, and a new security architecture evolves. In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in. Warmer relations between Germany and Russia signal an end to the “unipolar” world order the US has overseen for the last 75 years. A German-Russo alliance threatens to hasten the decline of the Superpower that is presently inching closer to the abyss. This is why Washington is determined to do everything it can to sabotage Nord Stream and keep Germany within its orbit. It’s a matter of survival.

That’s where Ukraine comes into the picture. Ukraine is Washington’s ‘weapon of choice’ for torpedoing Nord Stream and putting a wedge between Germany and Russia. The strategy is taken from page one of the US Foreign Policy Handbook under the rubric: Divide and Rule. Washington needs to create the perception that Russia poses a security threat to Europe. That’s the goal. They need to show that Putin is a bloodthirsty aggressor with a hair-trigger temper who cannot be trusted. To that end, the media has been given the assignment of reiterating over and over again, “Russia is planning to invade Ukraine.” What’s left unsaid is that Russia has not invaded any country since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and that the US has invaded or toppled regimes in more than 50 countries in the same period of time, and that the US maintains over 800 military bases in countries around the world. None of this is reported by the media, instead the focus is on “evil Putin” who has amassed an estimated 100,000 troops along the Ukrainian border threatening to plunge all of Europe into another bloody war.


continue... https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-crisis-in-ukraine-is-not-about-ukraine-its-about-germany/

[Open Minded Dude]

Another perspective...


The Crisis in Ukraine Is Not About Ukraine. It's About Germany


“The primordial interest of the United States, over which for centuries we have fought wars– the First, the Second and Cold Wars– has been the relationship between Germany and Russia, because united there, they’re the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn’t happen.” George Friedman, STRATFOR CEO at The Chicago Council on Foreign Affairs.



The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.


The US Foreign Policy establishment is not happy about these developments. They don’t want Germany to become more dependent on Russian gas because commerce builds trust and trust leads to the expansion of trade. As relations grow warmer, more trade barriers are lifted, regulations are eased, travel and tourism increase, and a new security architecture evolves. In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in. Warmer relations between Germany and Russia signal an end to the “unipolar” world order the US has overseen for the last 75 years. A German-Russo alliance threatens to hasten the decline of the Superpower that is presently inching closer to the abyss. This is why Washington is determined to do everything it can to sabotage Nord Stream and keep Germany within its orbit. It’s a matter of survival.

That’s where Ukraine comes into the picture. Ukraine is Washington’s ‘weapon of choice’ for torpedoing Nord Stream and putting a wedge between Germany and Russia. The strategy is taken from page one of the US Foreign Policy Handbook under the rubric: Divide and Rule. Washington needs to create the perception that Russia poses a security threat to Europe. That’s the goal. They need to show that Putin is a bloodthirsty aggressor with a hair-trigger temper who cannot be trusted. To that end, the media has been given the assignment of reiterating over and over again, “Russia is planning to invade Ukraine.” What’s left unsaid is that Russia has not invaded any country since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and that the US has invaded or toppled regimes in more than 50 countries in the same period of time, and that the US maintains over 800 military bases in countries around the world. None of this is reported by the media, instead the focus is on “evil Putin” who has amassed an estimated 100,000 troops along the Ukrainian border threatening to plunge all of Europe into another bloody war.


continue... https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-crisis-in-ukraine-is-not-about-ukraine-its-about-germany/

Exactly that. Mr Friedman told it all years ago openly.

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[ExomatrixTV]

War! THIS Is Why They Want It:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Russia Pulls Back Troops as Putin Embarrasses Western Media Trying to Start WW3 to Protect Biden (https://www.infowars.com/posts/canada-freezing-bank-accounts-of-trudeaus-critics-tuesday-live/)

[Mashika]

Live Stream from Kiev as the Ukraines day of Unity happens.

No Russian invasion yet, i wonder who got it purposely wrong :P

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It does look like no one cares, and they go around they normal life. First time we see reality in Ukraine, as opposed to what some well known war mongers do 24/7 :)

I'm sad that we have to wait for another day until the US finalizes their false flag event :(

A multitude of people in Ukraine didn't congregate to complain about Russian
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMyYUvsJvcPgySziMgbyAigw3W_uC_lLqd2xaALPZOq08T2OSxjLG-akJiYWs06Ew/photo/AF1QipOLg5nGn2uxVN8TjwW_TXDLZFO6WTU_P3npA8kZ?key=bXRZOUdCX2d1MWlwMUVMSWJVNUx6YnNOd1FkMXZR

And look at this poor guy, he could not take the shot for the news paper so he would get paid, so he had to call people to show and gather closely to hide the missing people and make a good enough picture for propaganda
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUSYavjfe59eWg2GVXxPPgkSw48fyAKYiLdc1FtL-2uO65yNQKAhl2wde5RdAJDj55B02DCGhoAhV0CzKw9yVH6VimgwcXA8RugY_X2eA9Qtrny0CQjgn-mGmeYMBHsYWP19zzRerXypR0QvQM2oqX4=w583-h398-no?authuser=0

Then we see that girl with blue pants behind the red jacket guy, the one with the shot from below that will allow to hide the actual numbers because of the camera perspective :P lmao!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVviqE9IgVLzF-mX7QGFbG1OK4lMP-SsBxW-MZi1-FwkQjLWu1ajH3QnCskjrZmWD7NAaHUBGtSWe1cy343Kv5gyNRXBX7reDkuHI_PXyE61e4Kh-OZDAe6HaiMcjpP5usYea9Q2GJpsecb4waS8m9T=w786-h341-no?authuser=0

[Mashika]

Millions of people have not gathered in Ukraine today, all of them not waiting for the False US flag so they can die in Unitiy!

I'm sorry for the sarcasm, but honestly! The only thing left now is for the US to activate the false flag. If they chicken out, then this is one for the most ridiculous things ever in life

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVAkXwc6TvTt1rQy0GncFS54_iFT3pI63HyVFs4VmpvGBS2EKBSQNrbvEWMfxH835Za1UIRxRv9Kf1FI2_Wwg4b4O6K9UVfGp_ USrINgwrn1uYPsJf_tFnEgWjJFF1M-0VFeQMgCCb7BvmHI78Ozjy5=w680-h342-no?authuser=0

[Zamolxe]

This might make Malisa laugh. :) (It's a real headline)

https://projectavalon.net/CNN_to_delay_Ukrain_ invasion_to_capture_US_weapons.gif

Got a new one :)

https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_70,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_333,w_500,c_limit/v200/8a15ba4953763f825fe231d3aa20f1a0

I know that war is no laughing matter for the people of Ukraine and Russia... but if we don't try to keep our spirits up, we will all lose our minds.

[Mashika]

This might make Malisa laugh. :) (It's a real headline)

https://projectavalon.net/CNN_to_delay_Ukrain_ invasion_to_capture_US_weapons.gif

Got a new one :)

https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_70,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_333,w_500,c_limit/v200/8a15ba4953763f825fe231d3aa20f1a0

I know that war is no laughing matter for the people of Ukraine and Russia... but if we don't try to keep our spirits up, we will all lose our minds.

On that same feeling is why i'm posting above you lol :D

[scotslad]

So on the BBC, the president of the UKraine yesterday said that his country was not a member of NATO, so the Ukraine is not a NATO member state. He also said that he was in constant discussions with Putin and Russia to ensure the situation was not escalating.

Biden's propaganda message is that the USA has and will send troops to send Putin packing off the borders of the Ukraine as Russsia's actions are acting in a very hostile manner and that it will incur the full wrath of Nato and the West. (??????)

Russia also claims that relations have worsened since Trump left office.
(https://www.rt.com/russia/549309-relationship-moscow-us-rock-bottom/)

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/02/13/us/ukraine-maps-promo-1644805701361/ukraine-maps-promo-1644805701361-articleLarge-v2.jpg

Now, the Ukraine is bordered by Belarus to the north, Russia to the east, the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea to the south, Moldova and Romania to the southwest, and Hungary, Slovakia, and Poland to the west. Yet, the Russian troops have appeared to NOT have crossed the border into the UKraine - yet.

It's interesting that when we see that despite recently closing hundreds of bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad

https://geographicalimaginations.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/janfeb2019_p01_counterterroismmap-web2.png

https://previews.123rf.com/images/dinky123uk/dinky123uk1507/dinky123uk150700101/43073545-u-s-bases-map.jpg

Makes you wonder who is the country looking to dominate the globe and not just its own borders?

And then you have the Canadian truck drivers with their own blockade on the Canada and USA border and Trudeau has been ordered by the USA Govt to invoking the Emergencies Act for the first time in Canada's history to give the federal government temporary powers to handle ongoing blockades and protests against pandemic restrictions.

OK, maybe I'm being a tad simplistic, but I thought the world powers did't like Governments and dictatorships getting involved with other country's affairs.

Then of course, apparently maintaining USA bases and troops overseas cost $85 to $100 billion in 2014; the total with bases and troops in warzones is $160 to $200 billion...

Would it not make sense for the USA to pull back its deploying of forces and "advice" worldwide and reallocate the funds to free healthcare, roads, education, cleaning up and supplying good water, crops and food and providing jobs in its own country?

Now I apologise that maybe my take and perspective is a tad scoo wiff from here in North East Scotland on yet another stormy winter night, but curious to what you think.

Should America focus on its own domestic affairs, drain its own swamp and clean up its own political affairs within its own borders and less on world domination.

Happy to get back in my box, but am curious what others think... thanks.

[ExomatrixTV]

Happy Ukraine (Non) Invasion Day!

0E4222uXHx4

[TomKat]

I wonder if people in Ukraine say "The California?' :-)
seriously, let's not continue that popular illiteracy.

[Vicus]

Another perspective- 2


The reason the US wants war in Ukraine is ultimately all about the dollar


Why is the US-led West trying to instigate a crisis in Ukraine? Those who understand how Washington derives its real power know why – it’s all about money


For months now we’ve been hearing Washington ring alarm bells regarding what they have cited as an “imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine.” According to the latest so-called US “intelligence,” a full-scale invasion would take place this week. Yet, as some of us have for months insisted would be the case, no invasion has transpired, nor, I believe, is one likely.

Moscow, which has announced that its troops are pulling back from Russia’s border with Ukraine, has consistently denied that it has any intention of invading. But Washington, with its repeated accusations regarding an imminent false-flag incident, to its stationing of troops in Eastern Europe, has appeared desperate to goad Russia into making such a move. The more Russia’s President Vladimir Putin refuses to take the bait, the greater the despair in Washington.

Why is Washington – and by extension NATO and the EU – so obsessed with Ukraine? What is it that they hope to achieve? Once one understands the mechanism by which Washington derives its real power, its actions in relation to Russia become easier to understand.

Let’s put aside all the bluster Washington spews regarding human rights, democracy and sovereignty, because these are just issues which it uses as cover and which it routinely disregards itself in order to achieve its aims. What is it that Washington really wants?

It wants to conflate and stoke the Ukraine issue in order to contain Russia. Why does it want to contain Russia? Well, Washington derives its global power through its control of the US dollar, also known as the world’s reserve currency. This special status enables Washington to amass obscene deficits that do not in any way reflect America’s true productive capacity.

The US dollar has been utterly dominant as the currency used for international trade since it replaced sterling in the 1920s. Commodities such as oil, gold, base metals and agricultural products are priced in, and paid for, in dollars. This created large worldwide demand for the greenback, adding massive value to its worth, and created strong demand for US Treasuries. All this enables the American federal government to print dollars by the trillions, borrow without limit, and spend with abandon.

The dominance of the dollar has afforded America great global power, but it is now under threat as never before as Russia, China and others economically challenge the US. Many are now seeking to ditch their dependence on the dollar as Washington has continued to abuse it’s status as issuer of the world’s reserve currency over the decades.

Russia and China have, in particular, drastically cut their use of the dollar. In 2015, around 90% of their bilateral transactions were conducted in dollars. But since the start of the US-China trade war, that’s fallen to 46% and is rapidly declining further. Even US allies and partners, like Turkey and India, have begun trading in their respective national currencies when it suits them. Countries are questioning why US financial institutions should serve as the intermediaries for international banking.

Beijing is actively encouraging the use of its currency, the renminbi, in trade transactions, especially under its massive Belt and Road Initiative. With China recovering more strongly than the other big economies from Covid-19, foreign capital has been flooding in, too, as Beijing opens its financial markets.

Alexey Maslov, director of the Institute of Far Eastern Studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences, has told The Nikkei Asian Review that the Russia-China “dedollarization" was approaching a “breakthrough moment” that could elevate their relationship to a de-facto alliance.

This alliance, and its threat to the supremacy of the dollar, deeply worries Washington. “The current dollar-centric system cannot continue forever,” says Barry Eichengreen, Professor of Economics and Political Science, University of California, Berkeley. “A multipolar international monetary and financial system is coming, as the United States accounts for a declining share of the global economy.”

Goldman Sachs strategists have predicted that there are now “real concerns around the longevity of the US dollar as a reserve currency,” while billionaire US fund manager Stanley Druckenmiller has warned that the dollar could cease to be the predominant global reserve currency within 15 years.

Ironically, America’s growing use of severe sanctions against countries it doesn’t like, such as China and Russia, has fuelled this trend, as countries seek new ways of financing trade without Washington having the ability to seize their money. “The U.S., by continuously using sanctions, is beginning to cut off its nose to spite its face,” Anuradha Chenoy, formerly the dean of Jawaharlal Nehru University’s School of International Studies in New Delhi, has said.

I discussed all of this in detail in a piece for RT DE (Germany) in April, 2021, entitled Nord Stream 2 - The real reason for the US government’s revulsion:

“…The United States government, as the issuer of the world's reserve currency, is only interested in one thing: the proliferation of the US dollar. This single fact is all one needs to grasp to truly understand US foreign policy.

“What does this mean in practice? It means that the US government, in collusion with the Federal Reserve, has the ability to print the US dollar at will… and can export its inflation to the rest of the nations of the world. Any nation that wishes to engage in international trade, including the purchase of commodities such as natural gas or oil, must maintain massive US dollar reserves to enable its purchases.

continue: https://www.rt.com/news/549450-dollar-dominance-russia-invade-ukraine/

[Spiral]

I think following Bidens genius insight into just how dangerous the positioning of Russian troops has been (that is obviously the most intimidating thing the west has seen since Pearl Harbour) then I suggest he takes exactly the same course as Putin & has the US army do manoeuvres within the borders of the USA.(SHOCK HORROR!!!!)

They could do it within sight by binoculars of Mexico and even Canada (weather permitting) just to really pi$$ Putin off.

I would like to point out that I am available to be an adviser to the Pentagon for the right money, should Brandon Biden need more cleverer advise that wat he has been geetin

[Mashika]

I wonder if people in Ukraine say "The California?' :-)
seriously, let's not continue that popular illiteracy.

"The Ukraine" was very commonly used long ago, but then the government of Ukraine requested to stop using "the", it has been official for several years now but people still use the old way :)

Name of Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20%22the%20Ukraine,no%20official%20alternative%20long%20name)


The use of "the Ukraine" is officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications


But a lot of people will still use it as it is not enforced and it's only because the Ukrainian gov doesn't like it :)

But it would be weird to say "The Russia" lmao, or "The Canada" :P

[John'sKatya]

I'm American and I can say that most people I talk to do not want war! I personally love my country but I think that our government should mind its own business. We have enough problems. The problem is so many are asleep or just get their information from what is essentially state run media. I am a new Avalon member so I thank you all for the education I am receiving! :)

[Natasha]

Another funny comment regarding Ukraine/Russia war made my day :-) Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs wrote on her Telegram account that she would kindly ask media in the USA and UK (Bloomberg, The New York Times, The Sun) that are spreading disinformation to share with everybody when Russia will conduct 'invasions' this year so that Russia Gov can plan their holidays :bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile:

https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova/1905

[Mike Gorman]

I wonder if people in Ukraine say "The California?' :-)
seriously, let's not continue that popular illiteracy.

"The Ukraine" was very commonly used long ago, but then the government of Ukraine requested to stop using "the", it has been official for several years now but people still use the old way :)

Name of Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20%22the%20Ukraine,no%20official%20alternative%20long%20name)


The use of "the Ukraine" is officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications


But a lot of people will still use it as it is not enforced and it's only because the Ukrainian gov doesn't like it :)

But it would be weird to say "The Russia" lmao, or "The Canada" :P

Quite right, even sir Laurence Olivier used 'The Ukraine' in his famous narration on The World at War back in the 1970's, a more correct English user would be difficult to locate. Yes it is the 'Old way'. I like your analysis Mr Scottish man, i like stormy winter nights, that is the cornball in me, we are having a scorching summer here in Perth Australia.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... False Flag... somewhere?:

From Jim Stone:
NUCLEAR WAR IS ON. (http://82.221.129.208/1/.tp7.html)
posted Feb 16 2022

The video I have on this site is now censored at it's original source. It did not take long. All videos out there now are re-posts of what I grabbed. General consensus is that this is showing multiple nuclear blasts in Ukraine, but I still say Syria. The distance to the blasts is somwhere between 35 and 65 miles from the camera.

THE VIDEO IS SUPER HIGH QUALITY. NOT BLURRY UFO FOOTAGE, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THIS IS. SCROLL DOWN.

IF THE VIDEO EMBED THAT IS DOWN THE PAGE A WAYS DOES NOT WORK, RIGHT CLICK THE PICTURE THAT DOES WORK AND SELECT "SAVE VIDEO AS" I HAD TO SET IT UP THAT WAY BECAUSE ISP'S ARE CENSORING THIS POST HASTE AND SOME DON'T ALLOW THE VIDEO TO PLAY EVEN AS OBSERVED FROM HERE (we have multiple ISP's due to this web site and have confirmed some are blocking the video.

Scroll down to the actual embed that has the play button, it will play far clearer than anything I have seen anyone re-post and that is important because it is worthy of the credibility granted by being so crystal clear.

UPDATE TO BELOW: When I first got this video, it was dated today but now the same source is backdated to Feb 1. Someone is messing with this as much as possible. NUKES WENT OFF. The video this image was captured from is censored worldwide and even when it comes from my own servers, some ISP's block it. Nukes have been set off. For what reason? I do not know. UPDATE: CANIDATE#1: ISRAELI NUKES IN SYRIA. Syria has tons of snow right now and all their live cams are offline.

UPDATE: SYRIA HAS NO INTERNET TRAFFIC VIA ANY MONITORING SITE I CAN FIND. THEY ARE PROBABLY GONE. Check this internet map. (http://internet-map.net) Start with a sh*thole country like Botswana so you can see it works. Then put in Syria. There is no data. "Site not found" If it starts "working" I won't believe it is legit.

If anyone has any info on this, send it. Why TF is this not in the news? Look at that mushroom cloud lit up by the second blast. It is twice as high as the clouds! Blasts are separated by miles. Cannot be explained away as a "fertilizer blast", that's two nuclear bombs.


http://198.46.190.126/images/nuclearbomb.jpg (http://198.46.190.126/videos/mushroomcloud.mp4)


NUCLEAR WAR: SOMETHING HUGE IS HAPPENING

Trolls are saying this is fake, but it is NOT FAKE.

NUCLEAR WAR, BUT THE SCAMMING MSM IS MUM AS TO WHERE. THIS IS GOING TO BE SHUT UP.

That is not the sun providing full daylight, that is a nuclear blast. The second nuclear blast. It is lighting up the mushroom cloud from the first nuclear blast. I have confirmed the video below works in Windows and Linux, but one of the ISP's is blocking it. If it is just a blank screen below, click here. (http://198.46.190.126/videos/mushroomcloud.mp4) IF IT STILL DOES NOT PLAY, RIGHT CLICK THE LINK AND "SAVE VIDEO AS" AND IT WILL DEFINITELY WORK.

UPDATE: Even secondary level sources such as forums and alt video sites are not permitting this. Even some ISP's are blocking it off my own servers. First time I have ever seen that, yes, the video below works but not if your ISP does not want it to!


http://198.46.190.126/videos/mushroomcloud.mp4
http://198.46.190.126/videos/mushroomcloud.mp4

[Mashika]

...

... False Flag... somewhere?:

From Jim Stone:
NUCLEAR WAR IS ON. (http://82.221.129.208/1/.tp7.html)
posted Feb 16 2022

The video I have on this site is now censored at it's original source. It did not take long. All videos out there now are re-posts of what I grabbed. General consensus is that this is showing multiple nuclear blasts in Ukraine, but I still say Syria. The distance to the blasts is somwhere between 35 and 65 miles from the camera.

THE VIDEO IS SUPER HIGH QUALITY. NOT BLURRY UFO FOOTAGE, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THIS IS. SCROLL DOWN.

IF THE VIDEO EMBED THAT IS DOWN THE PAGE A WAYS DOES NOT WORK, RIGHT CLICK THE PICTURE THAT DOES WORK AND SELECT "SAVE VIDEO AS" I HAD TO SET IT UP THAT WAY BECAUSE ISP'S ARE CENSORING THIS POST HASTE AND SOME DON'T ALLOW THE VIDEO TO PLAY EVEN AS OBSERVED FROM HERE (we have multiple ISP's due to this web site and have confirmed some are blocking the video.

Scroll down to the actual embed that has the play button, it will play far clearer than anything I have seen anyone re-post and that is important because it is worthy of the credibility granted by being so crystal clear.

UPDATE TO BELOW: When I first got this video, it was dated today but now the same source is backdated to Feb 1. Someone is messing with this as much as possible. NUKES WENT OFF. The video this image was captured from is censored worldwide and even when it comes from my own servers, some ISP's block it. Nukes have been set off. For what reason? I do not know. UPDATE: CANIDATE#1: ISRAELI NUKES IN SYRIA. Syria has tons of snow right now and all their live cams are offline.

UPDATE: SYRIA HAS NO INTERNET TRAFFIC VIA ANY MONITORING SITE I CAN FIND. THEY ARE PROBABLY GONE. Check this internet map. (http://internet-map.net) Start with a sh*thole country like Botswana so you can see it works. Then put in Syria. There is no data. "Site not found" If it starts "working" I won't believe it is legit.

If anyone has any info on this, send it. Why TF is this not in the news? Look at that mushroom cloud lit up by the second blast. It is twice as high as the clouds! Blasts are separated by miles. Cannot be explained away as a "fertilizer blast", that's two nuclear bombs.


http://198.46.190.126/images/nuclearbomb.jpg (http://198.46.190.126/videos/mushroomcloud.mp4)


NUCLEAR WAR: SOMETHING HUGE IS HAPPENING

Trolls are saying this is fake, but it is NOT FAKE.

NUCLEAR WAR, BUT THE SCAMMING MSM IS MUM AS TO WHERE. THIS IS GOING TO BE SHUT UP.

That is not the sun providing full daylight, that is a nuclear blast. The second nuclear blast. It is lighting up the mushroom cloud from the first nuclear blast. I have confirmed the video below works in Windows and Linux, but one of the ISP's is blocking it. If it is just a blank screen below, click here. (http://198.46.190.126/videos/mushroomcloud.mp4) IF IT STILL DOES NOT PLAY, RIGHT CLICK THE LINK AND "SAVE VIDEO AS" AND IT WILL DEFINITELY WORK.

UPDATE: Even secondary level sources such as forums and alt video sites are not permitting this. Even some ISP's are blocking it off my own servers. First time I have ever seen that, yes, the video below works but not if your ISP does not want it to!


http://198.46.190.126/videos/mushroomcloud.mp4
http://198.46.190.126/videos/mushroomcloud.mp4



The first and second explosions look very different, first on the right side looks like a real nuclear bomb, it remains for a long time, second one seems like a smaller explosion, non-nuclear one, it goes away very fast and there is no similar flash to a nuclear one

One has to wonder, if the guy was traveling on that road and a giant nuclear explosion (the one on the right) happens, why would he keep moving towards it? And then the second one comes and he keeps driving casually? At that distance he would be blind by the flash and crash, or the car would have electronic issues and shutdown

Also if this was in Syria... why is the guy speaking 'other language'. I hear "vzryv" which means "explosion", that's Russian



The video I have on this site is now censored at it's original source.

Finally, the video is not removed from the internet at all, i found the original source here

https://www.tiktok.com/@alexsand80

It's the first video from two the guy has posted

I don't know truly what this is but i'm positive is not on Syria, will try to find more info later today in the afternoon

If Syria is gone, as he says, then how come this could happen just yesterday?
mX1uTPCcFpo

[amor]

I believe that when the territory is preceeded by "The" it is to indicate that it is something like a state or region of a Country, such as Russia. Simply saying Ukraine means a separate country. I believe that possibly the NWO crowd is using Biden to stir up a world war for financial reasons. Russia is not the enemy of the USA and christian understanding of the fact that they need access to the oceans at large and anything that boxes them in is a threat to their future sovereignty and ability to defendthemselves should be understood by all who wish to maintain peace in the world. For this reason, the NWO, I believe, is using their puppet, Biden, to start WWIII. In such a war, Russia will use its ultimate weapon to turn off all electricity over the USA. Neither the people of Russia or the USA wish this. If anything, they should turn their weapons on eliminating the inner City of London, that nest of Vipers responsible for all the troubles on this planet. This would leave this planet in peace.

[Mashika]

In such a war, Russia will use its ultimate weapon to turn off all electricity over the USA.


Hi. Which one you mean by this? EMP?

[9ideon]

I wonder if people in Ukraine say "The California?' :-)
seriously, let's not continue that popular illiteracy.

They do it in No Man's Sky, ship names, like "the" Wrath of Magnirok" it should be just Wrath of Magnirok, not "the" Wrath of Magnirok. I contemplated if I was to go and complain to Hello Games about this mindless error, but be real here, founder of company once said Hello to Games and figured it would be a great name for a startup, I doubt I'll be successful sailing those waters.

So Canooks, hows the whole Heil Justin going these days?

Putin needs to come of his Horse and invade Ukraine, in the meantime please release all the dirt you have on the Dutch Politicians and flunkies.

Great OP to wake up to and have some coffee with.

I guess that's just the California of things!

________________________________________________________________

@Mashika I wonder if what they mean with the EMP is this crap, can anyone in the various areas they speak of and comes here to post (lurking even better) confirm this please? :-)

To me it is either a ripple through time (yes yes, I do not believe in time travel, but ripples/echos could happen though), it might have something to do with the nuclear strength of bombs or something new all together.

Not my favorite channel either btw, might even be Topic worthy if not posted already.

Pd4XiHDWVVs

[Mashika]

"Statements about mass graves in Donbass may be ‘false media reports’ - Psaki"
https://tass.com/world/1404739

Oh little person. How corrupt and rotten you can get, US government?

I saw it myself, the killing of people, i saw how they were abused, and their bodies, for kids and elders and everyone who they could get, even dogs and cats. And you, imbecile, come and make light of it and say it "may be false media"

No, you imbecile, your rotten "principles" are the only thing i see, it's offensive for you to be able to speak up, f*ck you. rotten beast. You know exactly what happened in 2014, and you are making excuses and lying to help the murderers. You are a beast, incapable of any human decency or moral



"We’re in the window where we believe an attack could begin at any time and that would be preceded by a fabricated pretext that the Russians use as an excuse to launch an invasion. <...> Those could include but not be limited to claims of provocation in Donbass, false state media reports, everybody should keep their eyes open and aware, faked videos, false allegations about chemical weapons," Psaki stressed.

What a piece of garbage the US government is, dead and rotten to the very core, and i don't mean US citizens in general but the top level. I hope one day most people will wake up to this fact and take that rabid beast down

I'm upset that this idiot of a person uses the death of so many people just to sell her lies in this way, when i know better than that. Stupid imbecile

Is this what "the principles and morals and democracy and human rights leader of the world" does really? You stink of death

Coward and fake human

[Mashika]

I wonder if people in Ukraine say "The California?' :-)
seriously, let's not continue that popular illiteracy.

They do it in No Man's Sky, ship names, like "the" Wrath of Magnirok" it should be just Wrath of Magnirok, not "the" Wrath of Magnirok. I contemplated if I was to go and complain to Hello Games about this mindless error, but be real here, founder of company once said Hello to Games and figured it would be a great name for a startup, I doubt I'll be successful sailing those waters.

So Canooks, hows the whole Heil Justin going these days?

Putin needs to come of his Horse and invade Ukraine, in the meantime please release all the dirt you have on the Dutch Politicians and flunkies.

Great OP to wake up to and have some coffee with.

I guess that's just the California of things!

________________________________________________________________

@Mashika I wonder if what they mean with the EMP is this crap, can anyone in the various areas they speak of and comes here to post (lurking even better) confirm this please? :-)

To me it is either a ripple through time (yes yes, I do not believe in time travel, but ripples/echos could happen though), it might have something to do with the nuclear strength of bombs or something new all together.

Not my favorite channel either btw, might even be Topic worthy if not posted already.

Pd4XiHDWVVs

Actually... that sounds a lot like a mortar shell coming close to your location :S

Can't figure out how this could happen on that town, but the sound is very similar and it makes me truly wonder. I have heard that sound a lot before, and sometimes it ripples like that

It can sound like this, check it out. The closer you are to the incoming shell the most the whistling is

dx9emuX_5jw

6dXJmZnEWqg

Now excuse me, need to go hide below the bed :P

[9ideon]

I wonder if people in Ukraine say "The California?' :-)
seriously, let's not continue that popular illiteracy.

They do it in No Man's Sky, ship names, like "the" Wrath of Magnirok" it should be just Wrath of Magnirok, not "the" Wrath of Magnirok. I contemplated if I was to go and complain to Hello Games about this mindless error, but be real here, founder of company once said Hello to Games and figured it would be a great name for a startup, I doubt I'll be successful sailing those waters.

So Canooks, hows the whole Heil Justin going these days?

Putin needs to come of his Horse and invade Ukraine, in the meantime please release all the dirt you have on the Dutch Politicians and flunkies.

Great OP to wake up to and have some coffee with.

I guess that's just the California of things!

________________________________________________________________

@Mashika I wonder if what they mean with the EMP is this crap, can anyone in the various areas they speak of and comes here to post (lurking even better) confirm this please? :-)

To me it is either a ripple through time (yes yes, I do not believe in time travel, but ripples/echos could happen though), it might have something to do with the nuclear strength of bombs or something new all together.

Not my favorite channel either btw, might even be Topic worthy if not posted already.

Pd4XiHDWVVs

Actually... that sounds a lot like a mortar shell coming close to your location :S

Can't figure out how this could happen on that town, but the sound is very similar and it makes me truly wonder. I have heard that sound a lot before, and sometimes it ripples like that

It can sound like this, check it out. The closer you are to the incoming shell the most the whistling is

dx9emuX_5jw

6dXJmZnEWqg

Now excuse me, need to go hide below the bed :P

Yes, but the whistling is not there when you right under it though. Been walking "round" under various HVO mortar attacks back in the day, I always whistled back to them, hehehehe. Things one does when younger eh, lol.

These sounds are across multiple States and there's no physical evidence of any impact or debris at all, weird eh. So, yes could be Artillery, if these are echos though, well the strength of the impact will be dulled out. It is very strange, it could also be a new weapon the Block Alliance is testing and scaring JB with, although I have to say that he might miss it all together.

[Mashika]

I wonder if people in Ukraine say "The California?' :-)
seriously, let's not continue that popular illiteracy.

They do it in No Man's Sky, ship names, like "the" Wrath of Magnirok" it should be just Wrath of Magnirok, not "the" Wrath of Magnirok. I contemplated if I was to go and complain to Hello Games about this mindless error, but be real here, founder of company once said Hello to Games and figured it would be a great name for a startup, I doubt I'll be successful sailing those waters.

So Canooks, hows the whole Heil Justin going these days?

Putin needs to come of his Horse and invade Ukraine, in the meantime please release all the dirt you have on the Dutch Politicians and flunkies.

Great OP to wake up to and have some coffee with.

I guess that's just the California of things!

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@Mashika I wonder if what they mean with the EMP is this crap, can anyone in the various areas they speak of and comes here to post (lurking even better) confirm this please? :-)

To me it is either a ripple through time (yes yes, I do not believe in time travel, but ripples/echos could happen though), it might have something to do with the nuclear strength of bombs or something new all together.

Not my favorite channel either btw, might even be Topic worthy if not posted already.

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Actually... that sounds a lot like a mortar shell coming close to your location :S

Can't figure out how this could happen on that town, but the sound is very similar and it makes me truly wonder. I have heard that sound a lot before, and sometimes it ripples like that

It can sound like this, check it out. The closer you are to the incoming shell the most the whistling is

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Now excuse me, need to go hide below the bed :P

Yes, but the whistling is not there when you right under it though. Been walking "round" under various HVO mortar attacks back in the day, I always whistled back to them, hehehehe. Things one does when younger eh, lol.

Yes :o:p:ROFL:

"You're not dead until your dead" :P



These sounds are across multiple States and there's no physical evidence of any impact or debris at all, weird eh. So, yes could be Artillery, if these are echos though, well the strength of the impact will be dulled out. It is very strange, it could also be a new weapon the Block Alliance is testing and scaring JB with, although I have to say that he might miss it all together.
It just makes me feel as if this may be one of those operations where you make them go mad and through association with 'the foreign enemy" thing the people become obedient and sheepish

But i don't know, it just brought me back terrible memories and yes it doesn't sound the same when coming at you directly but it does when closing in on location near, so that's why i though about it first, it just jumped on me

On the video you can't see truly where it came from, and it, whatever it is, landed a bit far, so that's why i thought immediately of a shell landing there. But yeah if there is no destruction of homes or land then it could not possibly be it. It could definitely be another sort of weapon that has the same side effect but leaves no trace on the ground

[9ideon]

I wonder if people in Ukraine say "The California?' :-)
seriously, let's not continue that popular illiteracy.

They do it in No Man's Sky, ship names, like "the" Wrath of Magnirok" it should be just Wrath of Magnirok, not "the" Wrath of Magnirok. I contemplated if I was to go and complain to Hello Games about this mindless error, but be real here, founder of company once said Hello to Games and figured it would be a great name for a startup, I doubt I'll be successful sailing those waters.

So Canooks, hows the whole Heil Justin going these days?

Putin needs to come of his Horse and invade Ukraine, in the meantime please release all the dirt you have on the Dutch Politicians and flunkies.

Great OP to wake up to and have some coffee with.

I guess that's just the California of things!

________________________________________________________________

@Mashika I wonder if what they mean with the EMP is this crap, can anyone in the various areas they speak of and comes here to post (lurking even better) confirm this please? :-)

To me it is either a ripple through time (yes yes, I do not believe in time travel, but ripples/echos could happen though), it might have something to do with the nuclear strength of bombs or something new all together.

Not my favorite channel either btw, might even be Topic worthy if not posted already.

Pd4XiHDWVVs

Actually... that sounds a lot like a mortar shell coming close to your location :S

Can't figure out how this could happen on that town, but the sound is very similar and it makes me truly wonder. I have heard that sound a lot before, and sometimes it ripples like that

It can sound like this, check it out. The closer you are to the incoming shell the most the whistling is

dx9emuX_5jw

6dXJmZnEWqg

Now excuse me, need to go hide below the bed :P

Yes, but the whistling is not there when you right under it though. Been walking "round" under various HVO mortar attacks back in the day, I always whistled back to them, hehehehe. Things one does when younger eh, lol.

Yes :o:p:ROFL:

"You're not dead until your dead" :P



These sounds are across multiple States and there's no physical evidence of any impact or debris at all, weird eh. So, yes could be Artillery, if these are echos though, well the strength of the impact will be dulled out. It is very strange, it could also be a new weapon the Block Alliance is testing and scaring JB with, although I have to say that he might miss it all together.
It just makes me feel as if this may be one of those operations where you make them go mad and through association with 'the foreign enemy" thing the people become obedient and sheepish

But i don't know, it just brought me back terrible memories and yes it doesn't sound the same when coming at you directly but it does when closing in on location near, so that's why i though about it first, it just jumped on me

Yes, welll the Mortars I used to whistle at obviously flew over my head, had the same feeling though, if it hits I'll never know, well, if it kills you straight out that is. Biggest Apples growing on trees there that I have ever seen, huge mofos.

It will jump on you always, it's the burden of honoring those whom cannot anymore, I have no solution for it.

[Mashika]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/02/13/us/ukraine-maps-promo-1644805701361/ukraine-maps-promo-1644805701361-articleLarge-v2.jpg



One thing i truly want to add here is this, on this map, two locations inside Ukraine are marked as Russian military bases (Luhansk and Donetsk) This is one of the biggest BS i have seen in a lot of time

Those are Ukraine separatist bases, both of them. Since they are separatists, the idiotic and foolish Ukraine and US governments label them as "Russian". They are not. They are Ukrainian born citizens who happen to not want to be part of a Nazi state. This idiotic map shows how corrupt the US media is, and not much more

Have to wonder too, why the Ukrainian military positions are never displayed on those maps :)

Perhaps because it would show they are already attacking citizens of the Donbass region? Schools, hospitals and random people at their homes, just like in 2014?

[9ideon]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/02/13/us/ukraine-maps-promo-1644805701361/ukraine-maps-promo-1644805701361-articleLarge-v2.jpg



One thing i truly want to add here is this, on this map, two locations inside Ukraine are marked as Russian military bases (Luhansk and Donetsk) This is one of the biggest BS i have seen in a lot of time

Those are Ukraine separatist bases, both of them. Since they are separatists, the idiotic and foolish Ukraine and US governments label them as "Russian". They are not. They are Ukrainian born citizens who happen to not want to be part of a Nazi state. This idiotic map shows how corrupt the US media is, and not much more

Have to wonder too, why the Ukrainian military positions are never displayed on those maps :)

Perhaps because it would show they are already attacking citizens of the Donbass region? Schools, hospitals and random people at their homes, just like in 2014?

There;s reports of shelling in Ukraine, specific targets are Schools, Churches, Hospitals etc.

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I believe these Guys are blaming Russia, live stream.

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[Zamolxe]

Seems that one of the shells coming from separatist territory hit a kindergarten in Ukraine.... Civilians and children are always the ones getting hurt in these senseless wars

https://t.co/KGyGmYIL4V
https://twitter.com/Mariia_Zolkina/status/1494220594832973831

https://t.co/gdAwtqRVR8
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1494241206104113156



https://goo.gl/maps/wuNtdePL6WvYc4W77
Checking for disinfo, I looked at the satellite image of the building on google maps and comparing to the photos, it looks like the shell hit the side facing south-east, so incoming from separatist territory.
The town is right on the front line...

[Mashika]

Seems that one of the shells coming from separatist territory hit a kindergarten in Ukraine.... Civilians and children are always the ones getting hurt in these senseless wars

https://t.co/KGyGmYIL4V
https://twitter.com/Mariia_Zolkina/status/1494220594832973831

https://t.co/gdAwtqRVR8
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1494241206104113156



https://goo.gl/maps/wuNtdePL6WvYc4W77
Checking for disinfo, I looked at the satellite image of the building on google maps and comparing to the photos, it looks like the shell hit the side facing south-east, so incoming from separatist territory.
The town is right on the front line...

That's nothing new, it has been going on for lots of years, if only people would understand the root of the problem but of course no one wants to discuss it, it goes against the narrative and agenda

See these morons for example, day by day i see a hundred of them all over social media, mouth breathers and such

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLX6AA6jv2fiO7KxcIAyiR67vOHpNlOOrVtlBruLKoL6yndlviHpskBAx5GZZipd_PYlUhXks6RqFj1Qv19GwkY6tKz0vKu6fiJ AYRV-5-EGjHhsQlaNOuGCp5TGcSQap7P_UuF5faDAMqOGKwsEnhHE=w456-h562-no?authuser=0

So…..? What the hell are Russian backed rebels doing in Ukraine?"
Oh dude.. Born without a brain? I can't find any other reason someone would be so ignorant otherwise

And Josh after the map



That's a very misleading map. Also just because someone speaks Russian doesn't mean they want to be part of Russia

Oh Josh, US education system failed you, i'm so sorry. The answer was one google search away, but you were too numb to figure it out.

"Just because someone was born in Ukraine, doesn't mean the want to be part of a corrupt state" is the answer you can't find with your little brain

"Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about" :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

[indiana]

Seems that one of the shells coming from separatist territory hit a kindergarten in Ukraine.... Civilians and children are always the ones getting hurt in these senseless wars

https://t.co/KGyGmYIL4V
https://twitter.com/Mariia_Zolkina/status/1494220594832973831

https://t.co/gdAwtqRVR8
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1494241206104113156



https://goo.gl/maps/wuNtdePL6WvYc4W77
Checking for disinfo, I looked at the satellite image of the building on google maps and comparing to the photos, it looks like the shell hit the side facing south-east, so incoming from separatist territory.
The town is right on the front line...

That's nothing new, it has been going on for lots of years, if only people would understand the root of the problem but of course no one wants to discuss it, it goes against the narrative and agenda

See these morons for example, day by day i see a hundred of them all over social media, mouth breathers and such

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLX6AA6jv2fiO7KxcIAyiR67vOHpNlOOrVtlBruLKoL6yndlviHpskBAx5GZZipd_PYlUhXks6RqFj1Qv19GwkY6tKz0vKu6fiJ AYRV-5-EGjHhsQlaNOuGCp5TGcSQap7P_UuF5faDAMqOGKwsEnhHE=w456-h562-no?authuser=0

So…..? What the hell are Russian backed rebels doing in Ukraine?"
Oh dude.. Born without a brain? I can't find any other reason someone would be so ignorant otherwise

And Josh after the map



That's a very misleading map. Also just because someone speaks Russian doesn't mean they want to be part of Russia

Oh Josh, US education system failed you, i'm so sorry. The answer was one google search away, but you were too numb to figure it out.

"Just because someone was born in Ukraine, doesn't mean the want to be part of a corrupt state" is the answer you can't find with your little brain

"Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about" :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

One of the things I learned about the conflict in the north of Ireland is that some conflicts are spectacularly complex with many layers involved.

[Zamolxe]

Seems that one of the shells coming from separatist territory hit a kindergarten in Ukraine.... Civilians and children are always the ones getting hurt in these senseless wars

https://t.co/KGyGmYIL4V
https://twitter.com/Mariia_Zolkina/status/1494220594832973831

https://t.co/gdAwtqRVR8
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1494241206104113156



https://goo.gl/maps/wuNtdePL6WvYc4W77
Checking for disinfo, I looked at the satellite image of the building on google maps and comparing to the photos, it looks like the shell hit the side facing south-east, so incoming from separatist territory.
The town is right on the front line...

That's nothing new, it has been going on for lots of years, if only people would understand the root of the problem but of course no one wants to discuss it, it goes against the narrative and agenda

See these morons for example, day by day i see a hundred of them all over social media, mouth breathers and such

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLX6AA6jv2fiO7KxcIAyiR67vOHpNlOOrVtlBruLKoL6yndlviHpskBAx5GZZipd_PYlUhXks6RqFj1Qv19GwkY6tKz0vKu6fiJ AYRV-5-EGjHhsQlaNOuGCp5TGcSQap7P_UuF5faDAMqOGKwsEnhHE=w456-h562-no?authuser=0

So…..? What the hell are Russian backed rebels doing in Ukraine?"
Oh dude.. Born without a brain? I can't find any other reason someone would be so ignorant otherwise

And Josh after the map



That's a very misleading map. Also just because someone speaks Russian doesn't mean they want to be part of Russia

Oh Josh, US education system failed you, i'm so sorry. The answer was one google search away, but you were too numb to figure it out.

"Just because someone was born in Ukraine, doesn't mean the want to be part of a corrupt state" is the answer you can't find with your little brain

"Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about" :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:



I don't get the point... US and UK speak the same language... that doesn't mean americans want to join the UK.

And when they had their independence war from the crown... they were all mostly british by blood.

[Mashika]

I don't get the point... US and UK speak the same language... that doesn't mean americans want to join the UK.

And when they had their independence war from the crown... they were all mostly british by blood.

UK mostly does as the US says

Josh is from the US, he's a "large iced coffee" :P

[9ideon]

One of the things I learned about the conflict in the north of Ireland is that some conflicts are spectacularly complex with many layers involved.

One European country (colonizing) still occupying (part of) another European country in 2022.

[indiana]

One of the things I learned about the conflict in the north of Ireland is that some conflicts are spectacularly complex with many layers involved.

One European country (colonizing) still occupying (part of) another European country in 2022.

In Ireland there is a huge historical backdrop to the conflict. And it's tempting to render it down to what you said. I tend to agree with what you said but it's nowhere near as simple as that. You could walk into an area in the north of Ireland and say that and you'd be beaten to an inch of your life and equally you could walk into another area and you'd be offered free pints of beer for the night. Anyway, i don't want to drag the topic of the thread off into something else. I don't have an opinion (a side) on what's happening in Ukraine as i truly don't know enough about it all. I have tried to understand it though and will continue to do so.

[Mashika]

Anyway, i don't want to drag the topic of the thread off into something else. I don't have an opinion (a side) on what's happening in Ukraine as i truly don't know enough about it all. I have tried to understand it though and will continue to do so.


Perhaps this thread should be renamed "WW3 and the countries involved" or 'WW3 and actors leading into it" or whatever, but it's clear that is not just anymore about US vs Russia, lots other countries have been affected and will continue to do so, and they also will participate in several ways into either stopping it or pushing it forward (war)

By now, the actors of this situation have grown way beyond just two countries with proxy regions around their sphere of influence.

[Zamolxe]

New images of the aftermath of the shelling coming from the separatists into Ukraine.
This time it's in Vrubivka, hitting a residential area and the courtyard of a school where children were having classes.

Don't have any images from any shells hitting the separatist area, if they exist, they would probably be in russian language media.

https://media.hotnews.ro/media_server1/image-2022-02-17-25372059-0-bombardamente-estul-ucrainei-2.jpeg
https://media.hotnews.ro/media_server1/image-2022-02-17-25372060-0-bombardamente-estul-ucrainei-3.jpeg
https://media.hotnews.ro/media_server1/image-2022-02-17-25372058-0-bombardamente-estul-ucrainei.jpeg
https://media.hotnews.ro/media_server1/image-2022-02-17-25372083-41-garaj-bombardat-ucraina.jpg
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p960x960/273852080_4855320791228268_5046032692158649067_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=36a2c1&_nc_ohc=5EXyLC3fBv0AX8xM0rA&_nc_ht=scontent.xx&oh=00_AT_G03q5Cw05zgBYqmSlTYsxw-xoeSvnmOd1GEhvZh-OFQ&oe=6213676A

[kfm27917]

article too long to quote- read it on line
a nice piece of European history......
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stockman-were-not-useful-idiots

[avid]

False flag fake incidents ongoing. So obvious. A nursery?? This pathetic provocation of something noone wants is ongoing. Follow the money…
These globalists are so obvious now, predictable, but this behaviour is unacceptable if children’s lives are put at risk.
The use of microwaving crowds in Canberra was absolutely illegal, people and children are very ill.
If anyone utilises this vile illegal tech against folk in Canada, they should be prosecuted immediately for murder.

[Zamolxe]

article too long to quote- read it on line
a nice piece of European history......
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stockman-were-not-useful-idiots

Wow what an article.

First of all, it starts off perfectly with a good dose of whataboutism - a tactic perfected by Soviet propagandists: why complain about Russia invading a sovereign country? What about all the invasions/coups the US has done.
2 bad things don't cancel each other out. The US acting illegally doesn't make it OK for Russia to do the same.


My personal opinion is that the author presents a long list of historical events in order to confuse his target audience that probably doesn't know much about European history. He wants to give you the impression that all the events regarding changing borders are specific only to Ukrainian history.

Basically he is saying that because its lands changed "ownership" a lot in the past, Ukraine is up for grabs in the present. As if this is something particular to Ukraine.
No. That's the history of the whole of Europe.
Someone should remind him that nationalism, the idea that a nation is congruent with the state only really appeared in the 18th century.

ALL the lands in Europe were owned by rulers/monarchs/emperors that conquered or traded pieces of land as if they were real estate.
News flash: most of the lands between the current borders in Europe were once under the rule of other "countries" and some are still inhabited by other peoples than the majority population of their current state.

Eventually we decided to stop bickering and the past 80 years have been the most peaceful in european history. Because guess what... people can grow up and stop waging war for pieces of land. People just want to live in peace in a free society.

Using the historical rule of a certain monarch/emperor over a land as an argument towards the current successor state being entitled to take that land in the present is just stupid. The UK then has absolute rights over India... or over the US..

Romania's lands were under the influence/ruled by different powers most of history, but the romanian people were always a majority in these lands... but by the author's logic, Turkey (ex ottoman empire) or Austria (ex Austro Hungarian empire) have a right to our lands in the present day.


I can't believe it's 2022 and we're back to making territory claims, bringing historical arguments and counting demographics percentages.
I really thought we evolved and got over that. Meanwhile, the author is fine with bringing annexations and invasions back on the menu.

If you take this article and swap "Ukraine" with ANY european state, swapped the historical events with the other's... you can argue that all of Europe is a free for all. By his logic, hundreds of invasions and annexations would be perfectly justified.
But no no. He is only kissing a certain autocrat's behind.
Whole article is an apology for imperialism and invading a sovereign country.
WW1 and WW2 mentality. Kinda backwards if you ask me.

[Mashika]

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[Vicus]

Only two countries vote against UN resolution condemning Nazism



The UN General Assembly has adopted a resolution condemning Nazism, neo-Nazism and all forms of racism, which was co-sponsored by Russia. The US and Ukraine again voted against it, while 49 countries, mainly US allies, abstained.

The resolution on “Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices” that contribute to racism, xenophobia and intolerance was adopted with 130 votes in favor, the Russian permanent mission to the UN announced on Thursday. Moscow has submitted the motion annually, in recent years, and Washington and Kiev have consistently opposed.


Sponsored by Russia and more than 30 other UN members, the resolution expresses concern about any form of glorifying Nazism, including putting up monuments and holding public parades honoring the Waffen SS – combat units within Nazi Germany’s military – or declaring them national liberation movements, among other things.

Moscow has long taken issue with Ukraine and the three Baltic states – Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia – honoring individuals and organizations affiliated with Nazi Germany during the Second World War.

Last year, Washington’s envoy to the UN argued that a ban on glorifying Nazism would clash with the First Amendment protection of free speech in the US Constitution :bigsmile:
. The US has also accused Moscow of using the resolution to push “disinformation narratives” about neo-Nazism in the Baltic states and Ukraine.

NATO promises to keep expanding, despite Russian objectionsREAD MORE: NATO promises to keep expanding, despite Russian objections
The resolution also urges member states to “eliminate all forms of racial discrimination by all appropriate means, including legislation,” and states that discrimination based on race, ethnicity, religion or belief such as “neo-Nazism, Islamophobia, Christianophobia and antisemitism” harms not just the targeted groups but the society in general.



https://www.rt.com/russia/543448-unga-resolution-condemns-nazis/

[ExomatrixTV]

Desperate Globalists Attempt to Trigger WW3 as Big Pharma Covid-19 Stocks Plunge:

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[Zamolxe]

For anyone interested, 2 twitter accounts that I follow are:
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews

They aggregate a lot of videos and satellite imagery (including SAR) mapping the Russian deployments near the borders of Ukraine.
There are a lot of videos from russian citizens on tiktok or vkontakte (Russian facebook) showing the massive troop movements.

Go check them out yourselves, there are hundreds of photos/videos.

The guys are using geolocating techniques - for example comparing google streetview images to confirm the location of the video/photo.

It looks like even though the Russian government declared that they are pulling out, the opposite is true. In the past few days a lot of equipment has been moved 10 to 50 km close to the border. And the total numbers have increased instead of decreased.


Also, the most recent and alarming news is that the separatists have started evacuating the civilian population towards Russia.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/separatist-leader-eastern-ukraine-announces-evacuation-residents-2022-02-18/
This, combined with the troop movements is a really bad sign.

I pray for the people of Ukraine and Russia and hope that the war will be avoided, but it doesn't look good as of now.

PS: If you hear anyone saying lines like "these are only exercises", "they are hundreds of km away from the border", know that it's propaganda and misinformation.
The staging camps are in some cases as close as 17km from the border and artillery is being moved into firing positions.
Also, just 2 examples of signs that this is out of the ordinary:
1)the use of only volunteer troops, there were no conscripts brought in for the exercises (conscripts always are) - in case of an invasion, conscripts returning dead from the war would have a negative political impact back home
2)lots of equipment that has been brought to the "exercises" and has been sitting unused in the staging areas and not moved for weeks (even though the drills are almost over) - you don't pay the logistical price of moving entire brigades for exercises if you don't plan to use them

***Later Edit:

Just as I posted, I was notified of this video being uploaded:
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I've just started it, but can tell you from the previous content of the channel that they do exceptional analysis.

posting the timestamps of the video:
00:00 - Geopolitical Update
07:03 - Naval Update
08:02 - Overall Theatre SITEMP
08:22 - Northeastern Front
09:15 - Kharkiv
11:25 - Belgorod FARP
12:06 - Veselaya Lopan Depot
12:55 - Eastern Front
14:32 - Southern Front
16:03 - Western Front
16:37 - Northwestern Front
18:27 - The Pontoon Bridge
24:31 - Wooden Horses
29:24 - Arguments Against Invasion
33:44 - Caveats
36:06 - A Lot to Lose
37:32 - Closing Thoughts

[9ideon]

Separatist leader announces evacuation of residents to southeast Russia

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What is actually more interesting are the words from Putin and Lukashenko during the press conference and later in the vid the Q&A.

They're conspiracy theorists, lolololol.

[Mashika]

The western media and politicians have repeated so much the "imminent invasion" that they started sounding autistic. Now that reality is showing Ukraine doing an actual invasion and attack on civilians, will they shut up or continue rambling incoherently while war crimes are being committed in Donbass?

It had been said since long ago that all the weapons being sent to Ukraine were given to Azov and other nazi groups, and were never meant to attack Russian army but to attack the people in Donbass, now it doesn't look like a lie, it's happening and some people are pretending not to notice or looking away while they continue to repeat talking points and lies

I still see a lot of ignoramus repeating the "occupied Donbass" and i even saw someone say earlier today "the invaders are returning to Russia" meaning the people in Donbass that will have to be sent away to prevent their death by the Ukranian army. Incredible ignorant and nefarious. No they are not returning to Russia, they are leaving their homes behind to save their lives, otherwise they would be cleansed by the Nazi Ukranian army. That's the truth that all those twitter accounts and western media channels conveniently "have no knowledge about"

If Russia were invading, wouldn't it be the other way? Are people in the Ukranian side of Donbass moving to the west? To escape the Russian invading forces? The direction of this move is important, let's use some logical and critical thinking please

Also, if forcefully removing people from their land the way Ukraine is doing is acceptable, does it means China can now go and do the same in Taiwan? by the same logic, people in Taiwan or Hong Kong are invading China, because they also want to separate from the coup controlled 'China'. I wonder... Or is it full hypocrisy what we are seeing here?

That Ukraine was going to attack Donbass is no news, it was being said before and it was ignored, then as Ukraine is actually doing this, i even see one person who i can only think he has some mental issues doing a live stream claiming Russia is killing Ukrainian civilians right now! :)

"UKRAINE MOBILISES ITS ARMY AND SBU TO ATTACK DPR AND LPR AND INVOLVE RUSSIA IN THE DONBASS WAR - 11/02/2022"
https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/02/11/ukraine-mobilises-its-army-and-sbu-to-attack-dpr-and-lpr-and-involve-russia-in-the-donbass-war/

[Zamolxe]

wait, what?
Ukraine invading? You must be joking, right? When 60% of Russia's army is right on the border?



It had been said since long ago that all the weapons being sent to Ukraine were given to Azov and other nazi groups, and were never meant to attack Russian army but to attack the people in Donbass, now it doesn't look like a lie, it's happening and some people are pretending not to notice or looking away while they continue to repeat talking points and lies

You mean the anti-tank weapons? Used to attack civilians?

Those weapons aren't even going to be used during the Russian invasion, they are meant for the insurgency that will occur afterwards

[Mashika]

wait, what?
Ukraine invading? You must be joking, right? When 60% of Russia's army is right on the border?

Where is the Ukrainian army right now? :) Can you show a map of their locations? Or... is not available?

Please hold your reply until you get that map and post it here, i truly want to see it and i hope people here will too

It has been explained way too many times, maybe you didn't pay attention since none of this was on the channels you seem to be watching

The strategy is simple:

1. Demonize Russia as an invader if they step to help anyone at Donbass
2. Once the entire world is watching Russia's every single little move, attack Donbass and make people run away
3. Take control of the entire region and force the people out forever. If Russia attempts to defend them then the hysterical "Russia is invading Ukraine" lie will be supported, no west media speak the truth about it, we know that

So the people in Donbass have to be evacuated to Russia even though they are Ukrainians, ask yourself why? Why are they moving away from their homes, what's the danger they are facing?

Does anyone ask logical questions at all anymore, or is that a lost art?

[Zamolxe]

wait, what?
Ukraine invading? You must be joking, right? When 60% of Russia's army is right on the border?

Where is the Ukrainian army right now? :) Can you show a map of their locations? Or... is not available?

Please hold your reply until you get that map and post it here, i truly want to see it and i hope people here will too

What does that have to do with anything, I don't understand. Why would Ukraine invade Russia? That makes absolutely no sense.



If Russia were invading, wouldn't it be the other way? Are people in the Ukranian side of Donbass moving to the west? To escape the Russian invading forces? The direction of this move is important, let's use some logical and critical thinking please


Uhm.. because the separatists know the russian invasion will start soon and want to clear the area of civilians?
How would it make sense for Ukraine to evacuate before a Russian invasion? They can't ever know for sure when that would happen, Russia can just postpone forever.
Should Ukraine just evacuate their entire country indefinitely? Also, how would this affect their economy?

No, the ones evacuating are the ones that know for sure what is going to happen...
And if they would want to do that... why now? When Russia brought 60% of its BTGs right on the border.

[Mashika]

wait, what?
Ukraine invading? You must be joking, right? When 60% of Russia's army is right on the border?

Where is the Ukrainian army right now? :) Can you show a map of their locations? Or... is not available?

Please hold your reply until you get that map and post it here, i truly want to see it and i hope people here will too

What does that have to do with anything, I don't understand. Why would Ukraine invade Russia? That makes absolutely no sense.
And if they would want to do that... why now? When Russia brought 60% of its BTGs right on the border.

Again, Ukraine is invading Donbass, not Russia... Donbass is part of Ukraine, they want to separate from Ukraine...

You can't possibly be serious, how can't you not know that?

Or are you trolling or mudding the waters?

If you truly don't know what's going on with Donbass and Ukraine then things look bad for you right now. If you know and purposedly are pretending not to know, then things are looking very bad for you right now

[Zamolxe]

wait, what?
Ukraine invading? You must be joking, right? When 60% of Russia's army is right on the border?

Where is the Ukrainian army right now? :) Can you show a map of their locations? Or... is not available?

Please hold your reply until you get that map and post it here, i truly want to see it and i hope people here will too

What does that have to do with anything, I don't understand. Why would Ukraine invade Russia? That makes absolutely no sense.
And if they would want to do that... why now? When Russia brought 60% of its BTGs right on the border.

Again, Ukraine is invading Donbass, not Russia... Donbass is part of Ukraine, they want to separate from Ukraine...

You can't possibly be serious, how or why are you trolling or mudding the waters?

Serious about what? You're saying that Ukraine will invade Donbass now, after weeks of Russia bringing their army on the other side of the border...

So they were just being fair play about it and wanted to wait until Russia is prepared...

Are you serious or joking? I honestly don't know

[Mashika]

wait, what?
Ukraine invading? You must be joking, right? When 60% of Russia's army is right on the border?

Where is the Ukrainian army right now? :) Can you show a map of their locations? Or... is not available?

Please hold your reply until you get that map and post it here, i truly want to see it and i hope people here will too

What does that have to do with anything, I don't understand. Why would Ukraine invade Russia? That makes absolutely no sense.
And if they would want to do that... why now? When Russia brought 60% of its BTGs right on the border.

Again, Ukraine is invading Donbass, not Russia... Donbass is part of Ukraine, they want to separate from Ukraine...

You can't possibly be serious, how or why are you trolling or mudding the waters?

Serious about what? You're saying that Ukraine will invade Donbass now, after weeks of Russia bringing their army on the other side of the border...

So they were just being fair play about it and wanted to wait until Russia is prepared...

Are you serious or joking? I honestly don't know

No one brought any army to "the other side of the border", they have been saying that autistic lie for almost 10 years now, please pay attention

You are feigning ignorance about the real issue. It's clear by your own words and attitude on every reply you just made. You just made up fake events and keep twisting facts + deflecting with ridiculous claims. It's hilarious but also It's not going to work :)

The explanation is simple, read this, but i know you'll keep running around the bushes anyway. I still hope you post the Ukranian military map, just like the one for Russia, it could say a lot about what the real purpose of that army are. That's why it won't be posted or be made available

Donbass is the eastern part of Ukraine, they want to separate into their own independent state, Ukraine will kill them or take the regions back by force, they don't care for the people and will commit war crimes with the help of the US if necessary. That's the basics of it, and it is a well known problem since 2013
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1494421682425155587

[Zamolxe]

No one brought any army to "the other side of the border", they have been saying that autistic lie for almost 10 years now, please pay attention


Uhm... what do you mean with that? There are hundreds of commercial satellite images, SAR imagery from agricultural satellites, tiktok videos made by Russian citizens on the Russian side of the border, vkontakte videos.

Have you not seen any of them?

Go check just these 2 accounts to get up to speed.
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews




You are feigning ignorance about the real issue. It's clear by your own words and attitude on every reply you just made

Please stop

[Mashika]

No one brought any army to "the other side of the border", they have been saying that autistic lie for almost 10 years now, please pay attention


Uhm... what do you mean with that? There are hundreds of commercial satellite images, SAR imagery from agricultural satellites, tiktok videos made by Russian citizens on the Russian side of the border, vkontakte videos.

Have you not seen any of them?

Where is the map of the Ukrainian army?



Go check just these 2 accounts to get up to speed.
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews

Those twitter channels are propaganda and full of hate, they distribute lies like "ocupied Donbass"

They dehumanize the people in Donbass and act like they are invaders, when they are not and they are on their own land. That's enough to know those channels are garbage, any channel that supports or shamelessly shares those lies and enables the killing or hating of minorities the way it is happening is garbage, i'm sorry but that's true

See an example below, i'm sorry but like i said, that's just garbage, a plain shameless lie. "the occupied territories of eastern Ukraine", they have no shame
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1494726185665896451

And here's another nefarious one, so i supposed all those people just suddenly 'invaded' and i have to ask, what happened to the people who used to live there before 'the invasion'. Because if this territory is 'occupied' then it means these people don't belong there and removed the previous owners from their lands, do you agree to that?
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1494706168744263681





You are feigning ignorance about the real issue. It's clear by your own words and attitude on every reply you just made
Please stop

No you stop :P

lol, this is the typical example of how twisted the views are

So you agree that China can take Taiwan by force now? I mean that's what Ukraine is going to do so i guess it's only fair that China can do the same. Right?

Now it's the perfect time if you are planning to ignore all i said and nitpick over a small detail or deflect once more :)

[Zamolxe]

Those twitter channels are propaganda and full of hate, they distribute lies like "ocupied Donbass"


So all the hundreds of videos and images are fake or what?
The ones posted by russians on vkontakte and tiktok too?

Taiwan doesn't have anything to do with this, please don't change the subject.

Also, you keep asking about a map of the ukrainians' positions... I don't have it, but what does that have to do with my question.

For the sake of arguing, let's imagine that I have a map and it shows whatever you want it to show. (what would that be? the ukrainian army massed near Donbass?)
So let's say they are all massed near Donbass, ignoring the defense of the northern border, where a large portion of the Russian army is in Belarus, or the southern flank, where Russia is massed in Crimea... Let's say they're all next to Donbass...

You still didn't answer my question.
Why would they invade now? when 60% of the Russian army is on their borders.

Why wouldn't they try to surprise Russia?

Russia just said their troops will return from the border with Ukraine (even though all the satellite images and social media videos show the opposite)
Why wouldn't they wait until those troops go back to their bases, if we would believe Russia?


Update:


Both DNR and LNR leaders filmed their "evacuation videos" on February 16th, as Telegram metadata shows. Denis Pushilin even says "today, on February 18th..." . Everything that happens today is clearly and undoubtfully staged

[Mashika]

Those twitter channels are propaganda and full of hate, they distribute lies like "ocupied Donbass"


So all the hundreds of videos and images are fake or what?
The ones posted by russians on vkontakte and tiktok too?

Taiwan doesn't have anything to do with this, please don't change the subject.

Also, you keep asking about a map of the ukrainians' positions... I don't have it, but what does that have to do with my question.

For the sake of arguing, let's imagine that I have a map and it shows whatever you want it to show. (what would that be? the ukrainian army massed near Donbass?)
So let's say they are all massed near Donbass, ignoring the defense of the northern border, where a large portion of the Russian army is in Belarus, or the southern flank, where Russia is massed in Crimea... Let's say they're all next to Donbass...

You still didn't answer my question.
Why would they invade now? when 60% of the Russian army is on their borders.

Why wouldn't they try to surprise Russia?

Russia just said their troops will return from the border with Ukraine (even though all the satellite images and social media videos show the opposite)
Why wouldn't they wait until those troops go back to their bases, if we would believe Russia?


Update:


Both DNR and LNR leaders filmed their "evacuation videos" on February 16th, as Telegram metadata shows. Denis Pushilin even says "today, on February 18th..." . Everything that happens today is clearly and undoubtfully staged


Please post the map of where the Ukrainian army is right now :)

I'm just teasing you, i know you won't

By the way, have you seen this? It's hilarious
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWnrhf8pEcZsVnbPyC7nqI-YBg9CaOh_M87gOn7KL4jhUPFCFRv6EyE9z5Rw6746UPXOOd1BeoCffgx_MfyPQgv4KQeqpRkX7-ePPHw8FKqHntQFlME3bjCxs7SYfTiok7n7_bA2o386vf-Q6dRTXyc=w749-h767-no?authuser=0

Here's a link to the search on google
https://www.google.com/search?q=thousands+of+troops+near+russian+border&newwindow=1&sxsrf=APq-WBsUTXJsU_f1nZa16eaQxDw5TTsHlg%3A1644257841104&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2%2F2%2F2016%2Ccd_max%3A2%2F3%2F2019&tbm=

And the search term is "thousands of troops near russian border"

See this has been happening for lots of years now, you are only bombarded with it non stop now because it's useful for the current narrative. Run the search yourself, or not if you don't want to see the truth

So as i said, nothing new about the 'massive troops at the border', it's a yawn, i've seen the same thing for lots of years now so it kind of lost it's shine by now :)



Why would they invade now? when 60% of the Russian army is on their borders.

I already explained this, multiple times, no one is 'invading Russia' as you falsely claimed when i spoke about Ukraine attacking Donbass. I already said why but of course you are not reading or ignoring my posts and nitpicking in an attempt to derail this into minial details. But it doesn't work

Answered here
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1483432&viewfull=1#post1483432

And here
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1483441&viewfull=1#post1483441

And said multiple times, Ukraine is attacking/invading Donbass, not Russia, Donbass is not Russia, is part of Ukraine :facepalm:

I answered but you keep running around the bushes, in a debate you don't get to ask questions without first answering the ones asked to you first

Same question again: Where is the Ukrainian army right now?

[Zamolxe]

Please post the map of where the Ukrainian army is right now

I'm just teasing you, i know you won't

Why do you keep repeating this? I told you I don't have it and for the sake of argument I accept that the hypothetical map would show whatever you are implying it would show. What would that be exactly?


By the way, have you seen this? It's hilarious

Yes, so there were multiple times that Russia brought troops near Ukraine for exercises. And the alarmist media suggested that an invasion might take place.
What exactly are you saying this means? That there won't be an invasion? That there are no troops near the border? Could you be a bit less vague please?



Why would they invade now? when 60% of the Russian army is on their borders.
I already explained this, multiple times, no one is 'invading Russia' as you falsely claimed when i spoke about Ukraine attacking Donbass.

I have not mentioned "invading Russia" this time.

[Open Minded Dude]

The Ukrainian army also has a lot of support by NATO mercenaries it seems. Since the Donbass fighters also have inkognito Russian mercenaries we can conclude that in a way it is already a proxy war or 'hidden' world war taking place between NATO/US and Russia. But it has been on for years now and is not an impending one although it might become 'official' then.

https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/russische-false-flag-operation-oder-ukrainischer-angriff-sabotage-von-chemietanks-in-donezk-vereitelt/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


(..) a US journalist in Ukraine, who is guaranteed not to be pro-Russian but openly pro-Ukrainian, tweeted that he had met with battle-hardened American and British soldiers who see it as "their responsibility". , “to defend Ukraine” – mind you: He does not write about former soldiers. (..) This fits with the reports from Russia, where it has been reported for weeks that US special forces are supporting the Ukrainian army and that soldiers from private US military companies such as academi (formerly known as Blackwater), i.e. mercenaries, are active on the side of the Ukrainian army . And it also fits with the reports from the rebel republics, which repeatedly report that they are intercepting radio messages on the Ukrainian side that are not in Ukrainian but in other languages ​​of NATO countries

[Zamolxe]

I answered but you keep running around the bushes, in a debate you don't get to ask questions without first answering the ones asked to you first

Same question again: Where is the Ukrainian army right now?

You keep asking this as if it's a gotcha question or a "smoking gun". I already conceded that it's wherever you want it to be.

But what exactly are you implying with this? What does this prove? Stop being vague and just say what's on your mind.

[Mashika]

I answered but you keep running around the bushes, in a debate you don't get to ask questions without first answering the ones asked to you first

Same question again: Where is the Ukrainian army right now?

You keep asking this as if it's a gotcha question or a "smoking gun". I already conceded that it's wherever you want it to be.

But what exactly are you implying with this? What does this prove? Stop being vague and just say what's on your mind.

I keep waiting for you to reply as a human being with critical thinking and a personal point of view, not a stream of media talking points like you have been doing all this time

I expected you to realise this, but you didn't at all

This is a brain dead conversation. You have not replied one single time with your perspective and by now i don't think you have one. I raised several points, posted a few things you ignored, made personal view comments and all got skipped and you do what every single other person pushing a narrative they don't even understand does, parrot the media talking points

I'm not being vague, i'm very clear in all i have said, i wrote it myself, not repeated what someone else pushed into my brain or read on a tweet. I have several opinions i have posted and it's extremely clear what i think and what i posted. This is another failed attempt to derail this? It's looking worse by the minute

Unlike you, i know the root of this problem because i lived through it and survived it. I don't need someone else to come tell me how or what to think because i know in person what truly happened out there in 2014/2015 and i have been very clear about it for months now, since last year even



Why do you keep repeating this? I told you I don't have it and for the sake of argument I accept that the hypothetical map would show whatever you are implying it would show. What would that be exactly?

Because you don't seem to add 2+2. Also i said it already, i'm teasing you :waving:

It would show that the army of Ukraine is not waiting for a Russian attack, it's on the other side of Donbass where There are no Russian troops at all. Therefore breaking the narrative you keep pushing of "Russian troops at the border". Because Ukraine knows that's not reality. They have, wait too many times by now, dismissed the lie of "Imminent Russian invasion", even the Ukrainian government is being dismissed and ignored when they say "there is no Russian invasion coming", but they instead amassed more than 100,000 troops at the border of Donbass, far away from the Russian border. You don't look at things on your own or ask more questions?

Why is the Ukranian army at the border of Donbass, but not at the border with Russia, if like you keep claiming, "Russia has troops across the border with Ukraine"? It does look like the Ukrainian army has better things to do than defend their borders, since they are not over there but are instead inside their own territory, trying to break into Donbass, which is full of Ukranian citizens who don't want to be part of Ukraine anymore (why are these people trying to separate from Ukraine?)

Perhaps the people in Donbass don't consider the actual government in Ukraine valid, since the people behind it and all the government was placed in power through a coup in 2014, removing the official democratic elected government? What do you know about what happened next once the coup succeeded?


All i see it's a boring non-conversation by now and very honestly i'm tired of it

Look into the actual issue, get valid points non-media created, learn the root of the problem and understand the actual facts, reply with valid points that are not media based, and THEN we may have a real conversation

Until then, this conversation is paused

Let's see if you can figure it out

Bye

[Mashika]

Let me tell you about how low the Ukrainian Nazi government beast can go

This is Faina Svenkova, she was doxxed by the Ukrainian Nazi groups, at 12 years old, her entire family names and addresses were published on the mirotvorests list, a site i have previously talked on my thread titled "Ukraine is a nazi state, don't fall for the lie"

She was on the list and was up for grabs, like other people, and 'for grabs' it means she was free game, for any 'patriot' to rape her, kill her or do whatever they wanted with her or her family. Lots of people have died soon after being put on that list

Her crime was to write a poem about Donbass that sounded 'unpatriotic' to the Ukraine neo-nazi groups. That's all she did

She could not fix this until she had to send a request to the Russian government so they would pass a letter to the UN where she explained her situation, then finally the UN did something and she was removed from the list. The Ukrainian government, even though she's Ukranian, did nothing about it, she was ignored, and she was 12 years old

That's who you are defending non stop. You don't understand what truly goes on in Donbass, you have no idea, unfortunately, but i do. It's depressing and truly it's making me sick to continue this conversation, it's so narrow and pointless

https://www.donbass-insider.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/faina-mirotvorets.jpg
"FAINA SAVENKOVA – FOR ME, MIROTVORETS IS JUST A WEBSITE RUN BY CRIMINALS WHO STIR UP HATRED BETWEEN PEOPLE"
https://www.donbass-insider.com/2021/11/12/faina-savenkova-for-me-mirotvorets-is-just-a-website-run-by-criminals-who-stir-up-hatred-between-people/

Oh but that's the reason kids end up like this, i know that very well

From this
https://www.donbass-insider.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/faina-1er-festival.jpg

To this
https://www.donbass-insider.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/faina-major-petit-oiseau.jpg

Who if not us?

[I am B]

Just leaving this piece of relevant info real quick.

Gas pipes into Europe already exploding. I'm not giving too much credit to all this media turmoil around Russia/Ukraine but this just hit a spot somewhere.




https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1494785046254915594?

[Mashika]

This is a war between a coup Nazi controlled and imposed government in Ukraine, and two regions that conform Donbass trying to free themselves

The root of this problem goes back to 2013, when a coup started being planned with help from the US and part of the army and local governments in several regions of Ukraine decided they did not want to participate with the new illegal government. So they decided to rebel and secede. This is what created the original current 'separatist' region of Donbass. Russia had nothing to do with it, this is an attempt to secede from the failed state that is Ukraine right now

It can't be more clearer than that, for anyone who cares to look at the details and not follow the usual lie that "history starts after the coup we won't acknowledge". Let's be smarter than that, please

After the original coup in 2014 succeeded, the regions in Donbass fought back to remain separate. This is what happened, the Ukraine army attempted to take control by force, they were defeated 2 times, with thousands of Ukrainian solders killed, the army of Donbass was full of volunteers and veterans along with the active military of those days that refused to join the coup goverment and army

Can't be more clear than that. It is well documented by now, so please go look more into it

This is the third attempt to take over by force, the people of Donbass have no voices, they are being silenced and even if they are Ukrainian, they are considered Russian because of ethnicity, and they do speak Russian. None of this changes the fact they were born in Donbass and are Ukrainian by right

These are crimes against humanity and war crimes as well

All of this is a direct result of the US lead coup in 2014. Let's stop pretending it's not

So i'm going to ask one more time

If Taiwan wants freedom and it's considered good, then why Donbass wanting freedom is considered bad?

Both are fighting against a government imposed by a coup. Both coups, coincidentally, were funded and orchestrated with help from the US. So that's the question then, Taiwan wants freedom, it's democracy, Donbass want the same freedom, it's not right, let's support the coup goverment instead

People will die! Stop the hypocrisy and madness

[ExomatrixTV]

Reported Pipeline Explosion Rocks Eastern Ukraine As Biden Claims He’s “Convinced By Intel” (https://www.infowars.com/posts/reported-pipeline-explosion-rocks-eastern-ukraine-as-biden-claims-hes-convinced-by-intel-putin-decided-to-invade/) Putin Has Decided to Invade

[Zamolxe]

First of all, this was a discussion about Ukraine wanting to invade Donbass. You write a lot but always going on tangents, never addressing the initial premise.



That's who you are defending non stop.

I have never defended the Ukrainian regime nor the far-right organizations that were incorporated into their military, please show me where I have done that in my posts.

It looks like you keep using the straw man fallacy as well as whataboutism.
If I question Russia invading a sovereign country, then it's clear that:
I am defending neo nazis
I am defending the Ukrainian regime
I am against the little girl in your story.

You repeatedly asked me about a map with the Ukrainian positions. I've said from the start that I don't know where they are, but as a good sport I conceded that they are wherever the point you try to make needs them to be... in order to advance the discussion, as I have said I do not know where they are. But you still go back to that question... as a smoking gun.. if I cannot provide the map, I cannot talk about Russia invading Ukraine.



I keep waiting for you to reply as a human being with critical thinking and a personal point of view, not a stream of media talking points like you have been doing all this time

Please show me what media talking points I have shared. It's funny that you used that catch phrase and it seems really odd considering my posts. I haven't given any opinions or views until now. So I didn't post anything that could be considered "main stream media". It's almost like it was an automatic response used when you don't agree with someone.

All I've asked is why would Ukraine invade Donbass and shared a trove of hundreds of videos and satellite images with the Russian deployments. These are all from agricultural satellites, commercial satellites, russian tiktok posts and russian vkontakte posts. What's "main stream media" about that?

This is really funny because everything that you post is basically word for word the narrative on Russian state-run media.


So I'll ask you again:


Why would Ukraine wait to invade Donbass until today, precisely when Russia finalized their troop build-up that has been going on for almost 2 months. Why not before? Why not after they leave, as Putin stated they will be doing in a few days.
Are you saying that Russian troops aren't massed on the borders of Ukraine? Some staging bases even as close as 17km?
Do you think all of these are fake?
So all the hundreds of videos and images are fake or what? The ones posted by russians on vkontakte and tiktok too?
Also please explain this as a bonus question:
Both DNR and LNR leaders filmed their "evacuation videos" on February 16th, as Telegram metadata shows. Denis Pushilin even says "today, on February 18th..." . Everything that happens today is clearly and undoubtfully staged


If you want me to clarify anything, please ask me without going on tangents, because you seem to be attacking me for things I have never said.

[indiana]

Biden announces that he is "convinced" that Putin will attack Ukraine and will happen in the next few days.

[Mashika]

Biden announces that he is "convinced" that Putin will attack Ukraine and will happen in the next few days.

He apparently said much more than that. I did not watch him because it's like watching a facade for a human being.

He's so fake and like a robot with no true facial expressions, it's like a true puppet even with the way his hands move constantly as he speaks, like an avatar on a random badly written game. It's unbearable even if you don't hear him talking, just reading what he says is nasty somehow

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It does look like the decline of mental health in the US/UK top government levels is unstoppable now. They don't know history, they don't know their jobs, they act like robots, they can't say a single sentence without embarrassing themselves? What is going on? Too much inbreeding?

Hopefully they go away soon so we can get some real people with actual functioning brains back in control, someone we can talk to as a normal human being

Again Biden skips and ignores that Donbass is not Russia. At this point i don't think he even knows Donbass exists, he's binary, black and white, he only sees Russia vs US.

Anything beyond that simplistic childish view and he loses it and starts rambling incoherently. So he has to have pre-written statements and no one can ask anything out of the already provided questions, no real journalists please, he can't speak on its own out of the script

[Mashika]

First of all, this was a discussion about Ukraine wanting to invade Donbass. You write a lot but always going on tangents, never addressing the initial premise.



That's who you are defending non stop.

I have never defended the Ukrainian regime nor the far-right organizations that were incorporated into their military, please show me where I have done that in my posts.

It looks like you keep using the straw man fallacy as well as whataboutism.
If I question Russia invading a sovereign country, then it's clear that:
I am defending neo nazis
I am defending the Ukrainian regime
I am against the little girl in your story.

You repeatedly asked me about a map with the Ukrainian positions. I've said from the start that I don't know where they are, but as a good sport I conceded that they are wherever the point you try to make needs them to be... in order to advance the discussion, as I have said I do not know where they are. But you still go back to that question... as a smoking gun.. if I cannot provide the map, I cannot talk about Russia invading Ukraine.



I keep waiting for you to reply as a human being with critical thinking and a personal point of view, not a stream of media talking points like you have been doing all this time

Please show me what media talking points I have shared. It's funny that you used that catch phrase and it seems really odd considering my posts. I haven't given any opinions or views until now. So I didn't post anything that could be considered "main stream media". It's almost like it was an automatic response used when you don't agree with someone.

All I've asked is why would Ukraine invade Donbass and shared a trove of hundreds of videos and satellite images with the Russian deployments. These are all from agricultural satellites, commercial satellites, russian tiktok posts and russian vkontakte posts. What's "main stream media" about that?

This is really funny because everything that you post is basically word for word the narrative on Russian state-run media.


So I'll ask you again:


Why would Ukraine wait to invade Donbass until today, precisely when Russia finalized their troop build-up that has been going on for almost 2 months. Why not before? Why not after they leave, as Putin stated they will be doing in a few days.
Are you saying that Russian troops aren't massed on the borders of Ukraine? Some staging bases even as close as 17km?
Do you think all of these are fake?
So all the hundreds of videos and images are fake or what? The ones posted by russians on vkontakte and tiktok too?



If you want me to clarify anything, please ask me without going on tangents, because you seem to be attacking me for things I have never said.

I don't need to, i read all your previous posts, either you again and pretending you don't know or you truly don't know, in both cases like i said this is over until you act like a real human and stop repeating talking points, which so far you haven't



Also please explain this as a bonus question: [QUOTE] Both DNR and LNR leaders filmed their "evacuation videos" on February 16th, as Telegram metadata shows. Denis Pushilin even says "today, on February 18th..." . Everything that happens today is clearly and undoubtfully staged
"Donetsk republic announces mass evacuation of civilians into Russia from Feb 18"
https://tass.com/world/1406147

Enough said. Just because you don't know, it doesn't mean it didn't happen, You are being played and now i have displayed it for everyone here, the notice was given 2 days ago already, because the attack has been going on for several weeks now, i also had posted about it before but i don't think you even bothered to read previous posts before coming with this ridiculous propaganda that it's easy to dismiss

In fact, i was going to let you nitpick this one since the date has been updated when the article got updated as well, but like i said i'm getting tired so here's the google date so you can't point at the article date and tried to derail from there. Unless now you agree that google is working for Russia of course

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLXsxZQly4OjkJa65_hz1Cr6xGspdNCEc8qQQSjyZzD2hNI22R9_4RRpdkj6HVWroZqfaHLcXknRpJ182_q2NCZTCxOH-gJwl9eSrbyjMJUA52OhNacLw5pjTLuRY_dU6rCWorv1qdmsegQbrex4a_Mg=w737-h148-no?authuser=0

See? That was several days ago, it is now 19 of February here but that article was posted on the 16, according to your claim that was correct (i used a proxy and made it so my current date is 18 February) It was planned since then, because at the time, this had already started, it just wasn't mentioned in western news and no one knew because of the usual reasons

So there you go, another manipulation of the media that you ate up

Questioning! Without it, everyone can lie with no repercussions. Don't only read the news you like to read, look into both sides, if you had, you would have seen the news several days ago about the evacuation and would not have fallen for that lie and propaganda about the 'wrong dates'. We all knew, but you didn't, it doesn't make you look good, see?

[pounamuknight]

Why would Ukraine wait to invade Donbass until today, precisely when Russia finalized their troop build-up that has been going on for almost 2 months. Why not before? Why not after they leave, as Putin stated they will be doing in a few days.
Are you saying that Russian troops aren't massed on the borders of Ukraine? Some staging bases even as close as 17km?
Do you think all of these are fake?
So all the hundreds of videos and images are fake or what? The ones posted by russians on vkontakte and tiktok too?
Also please explain this as a bonus question:
Both DNR and LNR leaders filmed their "evacuation videos" on February 16th, as Telegram metadata shows. Denis Pushilin even says "today, on February 18th..." . Everything that happens today is clearly and undoubtfully staged


Sorry to butt in, but but IMHO
* Because Ukraine is being used by the empire to war against Russia
* Because the Donbass/Luhansk freedom fighters have been kicking asses of the empire's neo-nazis & imported mercenaries, at a tragic cost to all Ukraine
* Dunno. But the empire has a history of doctoring evidence to push their wars
* Sounds like Donbass/Luhansk freedom fighters are acting on intel of a big attack under the guise of a staged event by the empire and are evacuating their most vulnerable

My assumptions are purely based on the looooong history of nefarious warmongering by the empire, its psychotic racist hatred of Russia, and my reading between the lines of our media with lots of natural cynicism & distrust

Could be wrong though, like when I got sucked in by this: https://citizentruth.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/nayirah.jpg

and this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Colin_Powell_anthrax_vial._5_Feb_2003_at_the_UN.jpg

and this: https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/581e4_exp_tsr_robertson_libya_viagra_cnn_640x480.jpg

and this: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8d5463c9a2f1760eb637a16b39e09496-lq

As George W. Bush said: "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."

[Mashika]

Sounds like Donbass/Luhansk freedom fighters are acting on intel of a big attack under the guise of a staged event by the empire and are evacuating their most vulnerable

Seems to be quite right, and called since several weeks ago
"THE DPR WARNS ABOUT THE UKRAINIAN ARMY’S PREPARATIONS FOR SABOTAGE AND THE RESUMPTION OF THE CONFLICT IN THE DONBASS"
https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/01/22/the-dpr-warns-about-the-ukrainian-army-preparations-for-sabotage-and-the-resumption-of-the-conflict-in-the-donbass/

They were not evacuating the embassy until they were :P
"THE UKRAINIAN ARMY IS STOCKPILING HEAVY WEAPONS AND MINE CLEARANCE EQUIPMENT IN THE DONBASS, AND THE US IS EVACUATING ITS EMBASSY IN KIEV"
https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/01/24/the-ukrainian-army-is-stockpiling-heavy-weapons-and-mine-clearance-equipment-in-the-donbass-and-the-us-is-evacuating-its-embassy-in-kiev/



As George W. Bush said: "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

[Mashika]

Here's the map of Ukranian army forces that Zamolxe can't post

See where the Ukrainian army is? How odd isn't it? With Russia "about to invade any moment now" they seem to not care at all about the Russian border (The bold red line) and instead they are around Donbass only

Isn't that odd? That's why this map has not been displayed anywhere on the brain dead media. It would need explanations they can't provide, just like on this thread in the past posts.

See how they are grouped around Luhansk and Donetsk? Why aren't they covering all those areas without the yellow dots? Including a lot of Russian territory, they don't care? No one is coming from there? Will the Russian army decide to ignore all those locations and instead do the long trip through Donbass?

Please explain lol :facepalm:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWfXuSHPTZguZdD4uW0mto6I4k-YmdqJToNPYkUb8goMVPD4L5agw4dzuy_hds31wxgbxvdxrBCDv0UW4U_ZTUvw9IPxcQBpVVXdGW2OE4VbyUUJozmm8UqmJHb1EC8 aHj_paGgwtcZY75xNQE7K-ue=w686-h841-no?authuser=0

The reality is that Ukraine knows there's no Russian invasion and there will be none, and they want to take by force the Donbass region.

[jaybee]

First off..... many thanks to Malisa for all your posts in this thread...

So much could be said about all this but the one point I want to make at the moment is how dangerous and idiotic the US and UK military (aka the Global Elite's military) are going to look when Russia DOESN'T invade Ukraine... how they are going to spin their way out of it all remains to be seen....

All Putin/Russia has to do is NOT invade - and as that hasn't happened in the last 8 years it is is HIGHLY unlikely that it will happen now - like, it's not going to happen... especially as that would give the Western Warmongers the upper hand in their propaganda war - and why would Russia do that...?

Clearly 'they' are trying to provoke Russia and the Globalists want Russia under their influence and don't care how many people die and suffer to achieve this...but Russia is obviously 'on to them' and won't be gifting them the satisfaction...

The Globalist's Media (MSM) are trying to create/continue the narrative of Big Bad Russia but have they forgotten that pretty much no one believes them or has trust in them anymore... (the MSM).... didn't CNN lose around 90% of it's viewers recently...

Anyway... Biden.... OMG what an embarrassment he is for the US and the West...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/tucker-carlson-putin-made-biden-look-ridiculous-over-cries-of-ukrainian-invasion/


During Thursday night’s broadcast of “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” the Fox host detailed the Russia-Ukraine disagreement and how the Biden administration has managed to unsurprisingly bungle it.

After the Biden administration declared February 16 would be the day Russia would invade Ukraine and that day came and went, Carlson pointed how how “ridiculous” the administration looks after weeks of warmongering.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Full Transcript:

CARLSON: So much drama, you can’t say we’re not learning a lot, though. And one topic we’ve learned a lot about over the last year is Russia and the reason we’ve learned about it is because Russia is Joe Biden’s number one favorite topic of conversation.

Joe Biden can talk about Russia forever, meaning in his case for up to four minutes at a time, which at this stage is Joe Biden’s version of a filibuster. You may have asked yourself, when will Joe Biden ever stop talking about Russia? Well, very soon actually, in fact, he seems to be losing his train of thought right now. But don’t worry, he’ll be back to it.

Russia is a very comfortable topic for Joe Biden. He enjoys talking about it much more than talking about say inflation, or crime, or fentanyl deaths, or about how half the population of Haiti appears to be showing up in Florida in leaky boats. Those topics may interest you since you live in this country, but not Joe Biden.

Despite appearances, Biden doesn’t actually live here. In his head, Joe Biden is floating high above the Sea of Azov, swooping in over southeastern Ukraine like a Botox superhero, just to make sure everything is okay with his little buddies, the Ukrainians. Joe Biden is their protector that way.

But he’s also at the same time a scholar and a teacher, not a credentialed educator like the doctor he is married to, Joe Biden didn’t go to Community College in Delaware for a Doctorate in Diversity Studies. He’s just a civilian. But Biden can still lecture with the best of him.

If you signed up for his intro to Russia is bad class this semester, you will not be disappointed. Professor Biden knows that material cold.

So, what have we learned so far? Well, first and foremost, Russia is bad. That’s the name of the course. It’s the entire syllabus actually. It may be the only fact you will come away with after months of heavy coursework. Russia is bad. Learn that and you will ace the exam................

transcript continued on link.... :)

[Mashika]

Now let's compare the last map i posted to this one, see here where the ??? red question marks are? That's the other part of the border between Russia and Ukraine. So, why is the Ukrainian army placed and bordering Donbass, while basically ignoring the entire other very large border with Russia?

Didn't Robo-Biden said that Russia may invade any moment now and take Kiev? So why would the Russian army go through Donbass, if Kiev is reachable in a very short run from the Russian side? People don't even know where Ukraine or Kiev is, that's the thing, they could not find it on a map as the joke goes. That's why they fall for that idiotic autistic lie

Encircled are the locations on my previous posted map, big red circle is Donbass, then Kiev (Kyiv) in the middle, and Lviv (where the US/UK embassies have moved this week) on the west side of Ukraine
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWJsX0M9jDTXoLWnRXMU3KAJdG3gg4oEL27H4WYyjMBXtrL5da4jQDJiy3RZyirFppJqPdhhehVQZx2_r5g1mgxHb7pAjDG_TR 8cTMB18uO5QN585UsMp_ilmGuXtBbN7_iAw8q2ZZqv-CtI14zgeFX=w1057-h513-no?authuser=0

[Spiral]

https://www.brighteon.com/1fb94633-92ab-4d88-bc85-4e94ec74d8aa

Link to video showing fighting, damage to infrastructure & people fleeing to Russia https://www.brighteon.com/1fb94633-92ab-4d88-bc85-4e94ec74d8aa

"Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, on Friday announced a mass evacuation of civilians to Russia. This decision was made after night shelling by the Ukrainian security forces, this time especially intense. Kiev used heavy weapons, which, according to the Minsk agreements, should not be in that area at all. Saboteurs became more active on the territory of the republics."
"Donbass After Heavy Shelling By Ukrainian Forces Began Mass Evacuation Of Civilians To Russia"

[Zamolxe]

So again you have refused to answer my questions.

I'll take a break from this thread because you're pushing it in a really strange direction and filling it with disinfo. If you want to have a civilized discussion, please let's do that, but right now you're all over the place.



"Donetsk republic announces mass evacuation of civilians into Russia from Feb 18"
https://tass.com/world/1406147


The article you sent is clearly dated : Ukraine crisis 18 Feb, 16:01
The google "2 days ago" might be because it's posted inside a thread that was started 2 days ago, I have no idea.
Question is, why did they say it's an "emergency" evacuation caused by the shelling on Thursday and Friday if it was recorded 2 days before. How did they know beforehand that shelling would occur exactly on the 18th. Yes, they could prepare the videos in advance, "just in case you ever need them", but they clearly say in one of the videos "today, 18th February". So they knew the exact date they would use them beforehand. That's all, it just looks incriminating.



Here's the map of Ukranian army forces that Zamolxe can't post

That is not a map of the Ukrainian military's positions.
The map you sent is the OSCE ceasfire violation map and it is posted daily.
https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512506
Did you even look at what you post??

That's why this map has not been displayed anywhere on the brain dead media.
The same map and info has been also posted on all "main-stream media" for the past days. So disinfo again.

You have a fixation about this subject so I'll just ask you.
I have
shared a trove of hundreds of videos and satellite images with the Russian deployments. These are all from agricultural satellites, commercial satellites, russian tiktok posts and russian vkontakte posts. What's "main stream media" about that?

If you say that the 100.000 Ukrainian troops have moved towards Donbass, why don't you provide the same?
The internet should be full of them, right?

Anybody can access the commercial and agricultural satellites, why wouldn't russians do it?
Tiktok is a chinese app, vkontakte is russian. Why isn't anybody posting Ukrainain military deployments on those apps? Why don't you send me hundreds of photos and videos so we can end this argument that you fabricated? Is it guilty until proven innocent? Or the other way around??

Please provide satellite imagery and tiktok/vkontakte videos, not maps that you mislabel. Thanks!



You have not replied one single time with your perspective


Here is my perspective:

You make this out like it is about Russia upholding the right to self-determination of the people in eastern Ukraine.

So it's ok for Russia to intervene militarily (and it was OK for them to annex Crimea) because a percentage of the population doesn't feel represented by the current Ukrainian gov. So it's ok for Russia to support their armed insurection against that government.

I'm sorry but it doesn't really add up, that's not really consistent with Russia's past actions.

1st and 2nd Checen wars - the population wanted to secede from Russia, Russia did not support them but brutally cracked down - remember the bombing and total destruction of Grozny? The massive civilian casualties? Interesting fact, most of the casualties in Grozny were russian speakers because the chechens evacuated faster.

Syria - a percentage of the population (kurds, sunnis) didn't feel represented by the Syrian alawite regime, the US/CIA supported and pushed their armed insurrection against that government - Russia did not intervene for the insurrection, but for the government that was bombing civilians.

So no, Russia doesn't care about civilians or russian speakers.

Remember the Moscow theater hostage crisis? When under the orders of Putin they gased the building (terrorists and hostages) and killed 130 civilians just to neutralize the attackers? BTW, the gas they used is still secret, they wouldn't even disclose it to the doctors in front of the theater that were trying to help the dying hostages....


No, neither the US nor Russian leadership don't give a damn about civilians. Civilians are just pawns in their game of geopolitical chess.

Let's not sugarcoat this. They are nothing but psychopaths.


Disclaimer: I am not suggesting that the armed insurrections in Syria, Chechnya, etc are justified or righteous in nature. Just pointing out the track record of Russia's actions in similar situations.

[Zamolxe]

Later edit:

See where the Ukrainian army is? How odd isn't it? With Russia "about to invade any moment now" they seem to not care at all about the Russian border (The bold red line) and instead they are around Donbass only
Again huge manipulation. Just because you assume the readers here don't have the geographical knowledge, you can post disinfo.
You post a zoomed in map with the separatist area and the Russian border... and you say, why aren't they next to the border.

Here is the full map:
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/qMs_4lQ63.uNuzrerlaO.Q--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTU4OTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/_ZwHBvinqMUTX1.gHzaPbw--~B/aD04NTI7dz0xMDIwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/d3e07b9b7727b663678dd1b16c32f4b2a9deb839.jpg
That IS the area bordering Russia. You do know that Russian doctrine relies heavily on artillery, right? If you ask me, I would suspect that the Ukrainian military is preparing a defense in depth and are stationed even farther from the border. Otherwise it would be suicide and they would be annihilated in the first hour of the Russian invasion.

[Zamolxe]

The video that started circulating yesterday on Russian media and telegram channels, spread by the separatist authorities - claiming it shows the Ukrainian army attempting to commit sabotage also seems to be fake.

Again the metadata

Video was created as late as 8th February

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1494980844024385540
https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1494953286578974720

It is doctored and contains audio from other sources.


https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1494997622343544832
https://twitter.com/AugustGraham/status/1495031586483580933
https://twitter.com/AugustGraham/status/1495069297911156740
If this wasn't about them trying to start a war with these fake pretexts, it would be hilarious how incompetent they are creating this false flag.

[gord]

Here's a video made there about 10 hours ago, for what it's worth. I know absolutely nothing about this guy.

Mass Evacuation in Anti Ukraine Donetsk People's Republic Evacuation Point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW0KPFN3DNM

[Mashika]

Here's a video made there about 10 hours ago, for what it's worth. I know absolutely nothing about this guy.

Mass Evacuation in Anti Ukraine Donetsk People's Republic Evacuation Point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW0KPFN3DNM

"Anti-Ukraine" is not truly accurate, they were happy to be Ukrainian until the official government was overthrown by the neo nazi coup of 2014. Then they decided it would be impossible to be part of the new illegal state, so they broke away

All those terms are always malign and used to form a perception of those people as something they are not. It's mostly the same as when it is said "occupied Donbass" or "the invaders" when talking about the people. There's no occupation or invasion, it's their land and they are not anti Ukraine, they are anti Nazi

The Minsk agreements solve this by a simple mean, allow the separatist regions to return to Ukraine but give them special status so that they are treated as a "nation" of sorts, and not be pushed or harmed as they were before. Ukraine refuses this, why? Because is not their goal a all, if they wanted these regions and people back it would have ended long ago, what they want is for the people to go away, they want to cleanse the land and they have suggested this in the past and done it partially in 2014/15

If the Minsk agreements solve the issue with the separatist regions, reintegrating them into Ukraine, then why does the Ukraine government say that implementing the agreements would "destroy Ukraine"?

[Mashika]

The video that started circulating yesterday on Russian media and telegram channels, spread by the separatist authorities - claiming it shows the Ukrainian army attempting to commit sabotage also seems to be fake.


Lol no, i mean for you this may be real. I do understand your desperate cry for hate against Russia and all that but no one is fooled by this simplistic attempt at disinformation

Here's the truth:
1. The video was uploaded to twitter and telegram, no one even knows who uploaded it first
2. It was on the news for a very short time and no one bothered to do anything with it other than say "a video uploaded yesterday/today claims to be from a dead soldier and blah blah blah". Then it didn't matter anymore
3. It was researched so hard while everyone else moves on because those people are so desperate to find anything that they blind themselves to the fact that is not an official video of any country, and that it's obvious that it would be badly done it's disinformation

This is so odd, the people finding these facts about the video are so busy running to tell everyone that they forgot to think of one simple thing.. "maybe this video was purposedly made with this metadata and obvious fakery so that we would be lead into it and waste our time here". But you don't think much when you're running to be the first to say "look what i found!!!!".. Lol, simple minds :P

This is such a perfect example of how disinformation works, how it plays with the victim's mind and get them all worked out thinking they found something significant. It's a perfect case study of how a person is so easily manipulated.

Thanks for posting it, it's very valuable for the purposes of this thread. Now we can see in real time how the brainwashed masses work together to push a narrative full of disinfo like soldiers in lockstep, without even realizing they are being used

-

There are two main types of researchers:

1. The ones that do the field research, out there where things are happening and collect the data themselves
2. The ones that only work with data given to them by other people, but they can't truly verify the data came from the delivery person said it came, they can only trust

And then there's the layman 'researcher' who just receives the results and discuss it with faith and bias, these are the lower levels of the structure, the monkeys throwing sticks and rocks across the river to the monkeys on the other side while the top level monkeys don't bother to make a display of foolishness and just sit and watch it all happen with a smile on their faces

Keeping on discussing the menial details, the disinformation and missing the big picture is kind of a mental masturbation thing, so i heard :P

Never allow yourself to be the one throwing the sticks and rocks across the river, and if you suddenly find yourself on that place, then it's time to reconsider life and goals

:flower:

[Ewan]

Post Removed by Ewan as inappropriate to Avalon.

[Mashika]

The video that started circulating yesterday on Russian media and telegram channels, spread by the separatist authorities - claiming it shows the Ukrainian army attempting to commit sabotage also seems to be fake.

Again the metadata

Video was created as late as 8th February

If this wasn't about them trying to start a war with these fake pretexts, it would be hilarious how incompetent they are creating this false flag.

I was going to play with you head a bit since i can see you are clueless about technology or how metadata is created/added to a file, but i want to go to sleep and i can see you would not even figure it out anyways, so instead of wasting my time i'll show you how easily you were fooled, along with everyone else who are so desperate to find something that confirms their bias they would believe anything thrown at them

First: Telegram doesn't store metadata on the videos, any video uploaded to Telegram gets the metadata removed.
Second: When you download a video from Telegram, the metadata added to it is from the machine that downloaded the video, this is like creation/modification dates

See this is why i find people so foolish when they just parrot whatever they see online, just because it confirms their sad bias. I'm sorry to rain on your hate, but honestly, please learn a bit before running around saying foolish things

See this, i call it "How to fool people in 3 simple steps":

1. Change the date on your computer
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUIiTuY9cYDF-fVUNxZQvyYsxSpAONDnUZWNaxjnZvTIWkPfZY2fhmGOKz2X1Hk6ZrFmWk3Y5aNesyexscT17p3mUawI0yIJI5QYOHpZYy3E-fs8Z5S-lzNUEyaMi8xWW3VLrglpHxOWbuvJ2QNfoiJ=w640-h392-no?authuser=0

2. Download the video in question
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVVAU1HX8nZdEg-57ApYDChvdpRJueFfGZYlp1ku-hm-EESEKvuYlLDqjs4If08qg-DZXBfGlrBcFCP1ZLtEoVDtG2d0IgYH8u78IlkRhNYTGkUtJc5aqqug8A2fW2LEEl6CjWnkkAZS5Kl1dJklLsi=w835-h465-no?authuser=0

3. Check the metadata
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLU2iR33L1sfBm6PpSD7Hby8S4aBdYY_AQfCotFpx60gHupy0pLaJBCofjHwOOtIqu5SS1mpdT9X_O9rY9jXTlUkgm8FX1Qm--4r3XGDXqLWkEyB4AhP43wdYNFSCOEe9o4FOsTRjToPJrI9ewUKaegE=w488-h764-no?authuser=0

Now here's another one, i call this one "How to expose a BS corrupt 'researcher'":

1. Change the date to the current one. For this purpose i switched to the current American date and timezone, i believe that's when those tweets where made so let's match it as much as possible
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWALog2QyKFB7hoPmvHWhL6g0nO4ae8ZExYxjFYb4vlXT8hh1Xl9aknwaFF1lMLwF-L3z73GERV8kQsp1MVxM8ZORlZ706vhqTRuSv7WTUZwGsjtBjDmZE0M0nnT_8AKs8QWAn_-DVzEgY09cxBXx4v=w597-h402-no?authuser=0

2. Download the video with the current date
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLXdd_9BBn80_0En0_QIxhYc94U0j6mfiXqJILd40Pedop9yvGIBstTPowaDcDWnomBX1285zx4BjMoJHWvsnlkpm6IbMn1mmKe IGdJmvez8FEit1sy8wARshwH1SllJ4jyHmK1pULP55r8zPj90KNCp=w816-h381-no?authuser=0

3. Check the metadata
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLXYgkhyUxd7pfro_-dMzNGbD-uqiSFMvRCtZL3eAOfoBivw17hOqpsubCGUvQQIOktAjnzFbpukYZTnOc2WXZb9rNiV2Fy6U0WFYoXj574P1xtpQ0l5XQcnD2HsUD _Z1AWY8bLS4Ir8YLnJ23zD12kG=w504-h739-no?authuser=0

And there you go, that's how you expose a corrupt, lame, full of BS 'journalist'

The metadata on the video they uploaded came from they computer, not from the original video

So either they are corrupt to the core, or inept and incompetent, ignorant of how tech works. Pick one of them :P :ROFL:

So, Zamolxe, are you throwing rocks and sticks across the river?

[Zamolxe]

Hi Ewan,

I try not to swallow anything blindly just because it comes from x or y. Personally, I've always thought highly of Pilger but as just proven, anyone can make mistakes. Willingly or unwillingly.


I suspect you have wandered into the wrong forum somwhere along your journey.
I thought this was a place where people are encouraged to "question everything". I prefer to discuss the merit of an argument, not who made it.

But you do you, didn't mean to elicit such a strong reaction.


Maybe you can explain where exactly my rationale is lacking after making such a statement.

You've just lost any semblance of rationality, which was getting shakier with each post you've made on this thread.

But don't point out Pilger again, the appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.
https://www.thoughtco.com/logical-fallacies-appeal-to-authority-250336

[Mashika]

I also followed the instructions on that tweet and used the exact same site, oh surprise (not really) i got different results :P

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLX0G7Q0u1aoWyo-1PCsK-Wqnp-Vr8rc7SwrAqaBFhimdYxwWhTl6BdfHwFHf6F-ihCo-Rom-cxClmG8Zkvj-qga1aVajjCJb80xTu73MvDW8EvTIbPQt1MUkDRy7Sk-I3cO_DoNyR0M50UPoDMgertx=w982-h871-no?authuser=0

[Zamolxe]

I also followed the instructions on that tweet and used the exact same site, oh surprise (not really) i got different results :P

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLX0G7Q0u1aoWyo-1PCsK-Wqnp-Vr8rc7SwrAqaBFhimdYxwWhTl6BdfHwFHf6F-ihCo-Rom-cxClmG8Zkvj-qga1aVajjCJb80xTu73MvDW8EvTIbPQt1MUkDRy7Sk-I3cO_DoNyR0M50UPoDMgertx=w982-h871-no?authuser=0

Why are you doing this?

Of course you can modify anything once it's on your computer. Nobody is denying that.
Why are you showing something that you just told us you modified?

What is the metadata on the original video, from the official channels of Denis Pushilin and "Lugansk Information Center" once you download it (without modifying anything)?


This is getting outrageous.

I am inviting anyone reading this thread to do this and see for yourselves:

Download the videos from the original links from telegram, upload them to the metadata website and check what results you get.


These links are from the OFFICIAL telegram channels of
The State Information Agency "Lugansk Information Center"
and
Denis Pushilin the Head of State of the Donetsk People's Republic
video links:
https://t.co/NmlRKRWxqj
https://t.co/YXKt3dp4wh

metadata analyzer:
https://t.co/1Py94ugIQy

I've just tested this again and still the same results.

This is really cringe.

[Zamolxe]

The metadata on the video they uploaded came from they computer, not from the original video[/B][/U]

So either they are corrupt to the core, or inept and incompetent, ignorant of how tech works. Pick one of them :P :ROFL:


Oh so now I see your point.

You're suggesting that it's more plausible that both had their computers' times incorrectly configured, both had exactly the same offset - 2 days in advance. It's more plausible than the idea that they filmed this in advance.

That's what you're going with? Really grasping at straws here.

You do know that you basically can't connect to the internet if your computer's time is not updated, right?
Most webpages don't work if you don't use NTP (network time protocol). So by coincidence, both their computers had the same incorrect time and were not able to connect to the internet and nobody noticed in that office (how did they upload the videos I wonder).
And we're talking about the PCs of their tech guys, the ones that edit the videos and do any post production.

You don't have to put a spin on absolutely everything.



Later Edit:

Update on the explosion of DNR militia head’s car from yesterday in Dontesk.

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1495015587873009667

[lake]

This is from AbemaTV which is from Japan and was posted today the 19th (unless the meta verse is wrong because I don't wear a watch?)

"Ukrainian authorities genocide residents" Russia submits report to the United Nations
Breaking news
2022/02/19 13:29

On the 18th, the US ambassador to OSCE (= European Security Cooperation Organization) Said that the Russian army, whatich was deployed in a siege of Ukraine as an analysis of the US government, reached a maxim of 190,000. .worldIt's the largest military mobilization in Europe since the war."

The U.S. government has concluded that the Russian government has carried out a cyber attack in Ukraine on the 15th。He points out that he is not only pretending to justify the invasion, but also substituting cyber attacks if they step into the invasion.

Meanwhile, it turns out that Russia had submitted a report to the United Nations that "Ukrainian authorities are genocide of its inhabitants."。This is a document by Russia addressed to the UN Secretary-General Guterres and members of the Security Council on the 16th, alleging war crimes in Ukraine。Claims in eastern Ukraine based on Russian research, "Ukrainian authorities are trying to eradicate Russian-speaking civilians" and others。

Since 2014, the Ukrainian army has bombed schools, hospitals, etc., killing thousands。In response to this report, at the Security Council meeting on the 17th, US Secretary of State Brinken criticized "Russia is pretending to be an invasion."。(ANN News)

https://times.abema.tv/articles/-/10015041

~~~~

Personally I do not know .... Everything seems to just be lies these days (one way or another)

edit to add .... translated by my browser as I do not read Japanese!

[Mashika]

Honestly, i wonder if you have a true opinion of your own anymore about anything in life

Why are you duplicating posts across threads? You barely have a real comment other than to post the media talking point

I'm going to be very honest to you, i won't help you in your mental masturbation effort

I like intelligent conversations, you don't seem to grasp that you have none so far

1. Posting a never ending stream of tweets and just repeating the talking point over and over is meaningless. You have no points of your own!
2. If you expect to show something to other people, be prepared to do it through your own words. So far none of that has happened here or anywhere else you copy/pasted the same tweets
3. Validate your 'evidence', you clearly have eaten the propaganda too much since you did not even bother to validate what you posted and got arrogant about it.

I don't discuss low level arguments meant for pawns. And you have clearly demonstrated that you just run and post anything you are told to post by your mind masters

Therefore, since you just did the same "one more time" :rolleyes: i'm going to just stop this non-conversation

I don't think you came to this thread to truly discuss the details, as you have clearly displayed a lack of will to discuss but just fill the thread with propaganda posts without any will on your side to reply properly except with more propaganda

I have proven you did that with the video date posts, that's not on me, that's on you because you were lazy. You should have confirmed that on your side before coming here and posting that foolishness
:nono:

Be sure of something, if you post propaganda BS you will be called on it, it won't just go the way you think it would go. It will be inspected and called as soon as it's proven wrong, and that's on you and only you

I don't think you understand how much you have lowered your position/stance with those posts which were full of BS, you discredited yourself by posting disinformation. So now anything you say can be considered more disinformation, regardless of content, it will be dismissed since you have proven yourself to act as a disinfo agent (willingly or not)

But the worst part was the arrogance here, oh "how soon the turns have tabled" :ROFL:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1483672&viewfull=1#post1483672



The video that started circulating yesterday on Russian media and telegram channels, spread by the separatist authorities - claiming it shows the Ukrainian army attempting to commit sabotage also seems to be fake.

Again the metadata

Video was created as late as 8th February



It is doctored and contains audio from other sources.




If this wasn't about them trying to start a war with these fake pretexts, it would be hilarious how incompetent they are creating this false flag.


"Only the Sith speaks in absolutes".. :facepalm::bigsmile:

"Sad music playing" :violin:

[Zamolxe]

FSB & GRU headquarters today - after witnessing the incompetence of the separatists' false flags.

https://c.tenor.com/JiejlbCTknsAAAAC/slap-the-head-oh-no.gif

[Mashika]

FSB & GRU headquarters today - after witnessing the incompetence of the separatists' false flags.

https://c.tenor.com/JiejlbCTknsAAAAC/slap-the-head-oh-no.gif

I'm so sad your education system failed you this much

"I don't have any valid arguments so i'm just going to post lame memes instead then i'll go leak my wounds" :P

Have to admit it is fun to bully you into your own path of oblivion :)

:raining::raining: LMFAO!

ETA: I'm sorry but you are an open invitation for teasing and bullying. I don't think you understand how or why

But you don't understand that your actions are enabling murderers and the killing of innocents. Your hate towards Russia just because your country lost in WW2 is so blind and wrong that you don't get you are basically helping to kill people day by day, by enabling them and sharing this BS you can't stop posting

I'm going to stop now, bye!

[Zamolxe]

All you have left are personal attacks? Ad hominem is the last resort?

So now that you seem to have thrown down your weapons because you can't come up with any new spins, let's do a recap:

You say Ukraine will invade Donbass
I ask why now, precisely after 2 months of Russian buildup. Why not before, why not after russian troops return to base.
You: no coherent answer

I ask if you are saying that "Russian troops aren't massed on the borders of Ukraine? Some staging bases even as close as 17km?"
You: no answer

I provide hundreds of satellite images, vkontakte/tiktok photos videos of Russian deployments on Ukraine's borders
You: no answer

I ask for ANY satellite images, vkontakte/tiktok photos videos of Ukraine massing to invade Donbass
You: no answer

You provide a map of ceasefire violations mislabeling it as a map of Ukrainian army positions
I point out the discrepancies
You: no answer

You falsely state that an article is dated 2 days before
I mention that the article is clearly dated: Ukraine crisis 18 Feb, 16:01
You: no answer

I show that the 2 videos of the evacuation are filmed 2 days in advance using metadata that anyone can check
You come up with this excuse: "both had their computers' times incorrectly configured, both had exactly the same offset - 2 days in advance. It's more plausible than the idea that they filmed this in advance" - my favorite and most pathetic part of the whole debate.

I show that the false flag video of the ukrainian sabotage posted on the Narodnaya DNR Militia telegram channel is 100% doctored and faked - anybody can check the metadata
You: no coherent answer

I provide a historical list where Russia didn't care about civilians or self determination and their crackdown led to tens of thousands of civilian deaths (never forget Grozny)
You: no answer

I provide evidence that the explosion of the DNR militia head’s car is staged
You: no answer

All the while, you use straw man fallacies to attack any argument, never the substance, use whataboutism multiple times and keep going on tangents. Oh, and accuse me of supporting the neo-nazis in Ukraine and saying I'm against a little girl from your stories.
I ask for posts where I supported the neo-nazis or the Ukrainian government
You: no answer

This has been the least challenging debate I ever had. I just need to provide facts and you crumble. You don't even try to reply to the facts, sow any doubt, try to bring nuance in. You just never respond and go on tangents and use the lamest fallacies. And eventually concede defeat.

You're not very good at your job, are you?

Buh bye.


PS: This disinformation campaign is used to justify an invasion of Russia into Ukraine. This war will lead to massive loss of life, both civilians and military personnel. We all have to do whatever we can to bring light over the lies and try to impede these warmongering neocons however we can. Tens of thousands of lives are at risk. If you ask me, even letting Russia just annex whatever they want is better than them invading with full force.
These lies are comparable to the WMD narrative that pushed the Iraq invasion. All the people helping the disinformation campaign will have blood on their hands.
Hold them accountable!

[pabranno]

In my opinion, the tone of Zalmoxe’s perspective has for the most part been amenable and well argued.
I am not commenting on content or validity.
It’s clear Malisa is articulate (and always has been), informed, intelligent and above all passionate.
Zalmoxe has a different perspective.
And so we learn.
This excellent thread has flirted with ad hominem insulting attacks.
Please let’s keep the intelligent discourse going.
We all need to learn from this.
These are dangerous times

Incredibly informative thread,: my thanks to you all.

Pamela

[indiana]

I personally don't believe a wholesale invasion and occupation of all or most of Ukraine by Russia could be justified in any way. That's my take on it. It also has a strange feel to it. Like a script is being followed.

[Mashika]

In my opinion, the tone of Zalmoxe’s perspective has for the most part been amenable and well argued.
I am not commenting on content or validity.
It’s clear Malisa is articulate (and always has been), informed, intelligent and above all passionate.
Zalmoxe has a different perspective.
And so we learn.
This excellent thread has flirted with ad hominem insulting attacks.
Please let’s keep the intelligent discourse going.
We all need to learn from this.
These are dangerous times

Incredibly informative thread,: my thanks to you all.

Pamela

Yeah sorry for that, it was meant to extract something and put it forward, it did happen but i am considering unpacking it or not for everyone to see. I'm doubtful as it may not truly add anything of value to this thread

Sorry for the disruption

:heart: :flower:

[Zamolxe]

I personally don't believe a wholesale invasion and occupation of all or most of Ukraine by Russia could be justified in any way. That's my take on it. It also has a strange feel to it. Like a script is being followed.

I do pray that you are right and war will be avoided.

But all the signals are alarming.

I just saw this video from today and it made my stomach turn.

Warning: loud audio

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1495126825881808905

You have to understand that Ukraine and Russia have the same military equipment. And painting a sign to tell friend from foe is the last step before starting an invasion + it also suggests they are considering large scale combat operations. The violence of that hasn't been seen anywhere in recent history.

If this is actually true, it's a very very bad sign.

[Mashika]

I personally don't believe a wholesale invasion and occupation of all or most of Ukraine by Russia could be justified in any way. That's my take on it. It also has a strange feel to it. Like a script is being followed.

There is no purpose to 'an invasion' of that kind, no win whatsoever, it's just a tool of control for the general public

Zelensky, president of Ukraine, has, in a very gentle way, asked the US president to please just stop once and for all talking about an invasion, yet his voice is ignored by the US. That should tell something at least

https://www.rt.com/russia/549989-kiev-west-predict-invasion/


Speaking on Saturday at the Munich Security Conference, Zelensky set out his view on the constant apocalyptic predictions that a full-blown invasion could be imminent.

“To help Ukraine, there is no need to constantly talk about possible invasion dates,” he insisted,

This definitely is not serving Ukraine in any way



The parliamentary faction leader of Ukraine’s ruling Servant of the People party, David Arakhamia, has also cast doubt that an offensive is imminent, instead commenting on the toll that constant incursion fears in the media have had on Kiev. According to him, the publication of speculation about an incoming Russian invasion is costing the country “two to three billion dollars every month.”

Playing the western game didn't turn out beneficial for Ukraine, so now they are even reconsidering retracting from the non-nuclear proliferation agreement they signed in the 90s

"Ukraine threatens to renounce its non-nuclear status"
https://www.rt.com/russia/549994-ukraine-threatens-renounce-memorandum/

In the end, it surely says a lot, at least to me, that the country that would be affected directly by this imaginary invasion constantly keeps claiming there is no invasion coming at all, and the US remains fixed on claiming there is one any minute now, 20+ times per day, regardless of what anyone in Ukraine's government says

[rgray222]

I think most of the boys in Europe can now agree that Vlad Putin has the largest d**k in Europe. He has taken it out and shaken it about for the entire world to see. I think most of the omnigender clan in North America can see that Biden is rattling his sabre because his member has experienced inevitable age and dementia shrinkage. The media and Biden's own political party are sounding the alarms for war even though they know it will never be fought. The ethos of the majority of Americans (90%+) is that they have no stomach for war, zilch, zero absolutely none.  Putin is doing Biden a huge favour by taking the focus off of Biden's self-inflicted problems at home, ie crime, border, pandemic, inflation to name just a few.

The billion-ruble question is: How does this crisis end? Speculation over invasion scenarios has ranged from a massive, overwhelming air, sea, and land assault to a mix of cyber, special forces, and influence-based and/or actions that will not require combat missions. Should Putin not grasp the predicament he has imposed on himself, a limited move in the Donbas or seizing a land bridge into Crimea would seem to be the lowest-risk and lowest-cost option. He could then judge how NATO chooses to respond and wait. But Putin would almost certainly suffer the same consequences as if he took Kyiv and occupied much of the country.
 
Putin knows that an armed attack or aggressive use of force will make any chance of his achieving his priorities even less likely than landing an astronaut on the sun. He also knows that the costs to Russia and to him personally will be high and possibly unaffordable. 

Assuming there is no military action, Putin has two easy choices and one dark horse option that only time will reveal.
 
First, he can prolong the crisis and maintain the buildup on the Ukrainian border. That would be expensive and wear down his forces. Staying on constant alert takes a toll on the military, the people back home and pocketbooks.

Putin could terminate the exercise with Belarus on February 20 as scheduled, draw his troops back from the Ukrainian border, claim victory, and continue to push for negotiations—arguing that as the West wrongly predicted an attack, it continues to fail to recognize Russian security interests and needs.

Russia will no doubt continue political and psychological pressure on Ukrainian President  Zelenskyy to make concessions, either to accept the Minsk 2 agreement (despite its grant of semi-autonomy to the Donbas) or to suspend any request for NATO membership. And Russian “active measures,” such as disinformation campaigns, will continue to target Ukraine with the aim of eroding Zelenskyy’s standing and NATO solidarity by claiming “hysteria” over an invasion that never occurred.

This scenario suits Putin’s interests far better than an uncertain military adventure, which is why he will most likely choose it—and not because of anything uttered from a White House podium, no matter how much credit the administration will take for deterring war. You can bet that Biden will rattle that sabre in every conceivable direction to take credit for something that he had nothing to do with. 

The one option that only time will reveal is that there is a much larger behind the scene agreement with China - this agreement could take the world to the brink of WWIII and checkmate the west like a deer in the headlights. China could invade Taiwan at the same time Putin invades Ukraine. 

No matter how the crisis ends we will always know that Putin has the biggest d**k in Europe and maybe this is all that Vlad ever wanted people to know.  That said he probably would have kept it zipped up and holstered if Trump had been President.

[Mashika]

Very sad to see this, but it was clear for many people right from the beginning of this "fake crisis" that this was going to happen

"Ukraine’s Western partners made billions on military hysteria - Ukrainian oppositioner"
https://tass.com/economy/1406511


According to Viktor Medvedchuk, the media campaign of fake reports about an imminent Russian invasion cost $12 billion to the economy of Ukraine




KIEV, February 20. /TASS/. Ukraine’s Western partners have earned billions on the military hysteria in Ukraine, entrapping the country in the "black hole of debt," Chairman of the Political Council of Ukraine’s Opposition Platform - For Life party Viktor Medvedchuk said.

"The Western partners earned billions on the military hysteria. Amid this military hysteria, the United States, the United Kingdom and other countries who helped Ukraine to resist the ‘imminent occupation’ managed to solve their domestic problems and earn good money. They pawned off unneeded military rubbish, sold locomotives at inflated prices, signed lucrative trade contracts," Medvedchuk wrote in his Telegram channel.

According to the politician, the media campaign of fake reports about an imminent Russian invasion cost $12 billion to the economy of Ukraine, and the financial support of about 4 billion euro, provided by the European Union, the United States, Canada and Japan, will not be enough to offset its losses.

"This sum will not cover the losses from this virtual war. Moreover, Western partners threw Ukraine into a practically bottomless black hole of debt," he said.

Finally the Ukrainian politicians are waking up, too bad it is so late to turn back, they are now in the pit and i don't see how they will just escape it. If they turn their backs to the US/UK a new coup will happen for sure, or an assassination

This is not news truly, it has happened everywhere else where a country suddenly goes through the same treatment

I would love to see the terms of those contracts, and how long they are valid for. And what will be delivered at the inflated prices. Need to go find them but probably there are tons of restrictions around them to prevent any leaks

[Baby Steps]

Here’s an interesting analysis of how possibly the gas equation fits with the strategic situation currently:

“It appears to be linked. Germany has been notably silent on nordstream and Biden bluster on closing it . Germany has not permitted arms flights to Ukraine in its airspace .

So the issue of gas is driving a wedge between NATO members , with more belligerence towards Russia from Poland and the UK and Germany being much quieter .

It appears that it all fits with Putins strategy to extract commitments on Ukraine’s non alignment with NATO. The nordstream pipeline reduces Ukraine’s importance as a conduit of Russian gas to the eu . In this respect Ukraine is a USA proxy and the Biden administration is colluding with this by trying to force the abandonment of Nordstream to preserve Ukraine’s importance and leverage over the EU. The USA has been blustering about nordstream for years and alot of that is because the USA wants to sell its own LNG to Europe , plus reducing Europes dependence on Russia

There is also the foul stench of corruption between the usa and Ukraine and one wonders what influence Ukraine has over the usa and Biden particularly . The evidence regarding hunter biden and Burisma is clear - Biden blackmailed Ukraine to sack the investigator who was about to uncover Hunters corruption , with a threat to withhold a government grant from the USA to Ukraine - the famous ‘ you are not getting the billion unless that man is sacked ‘ recording. What Kompromat does Ukraine hold over the Biden family - what other involvements have there been with crowdstrike, secret servers and the Clinton campaign in 2016. We shall see….

So in the above context you can see what chess game Putin may be playing - time the military threat against Ukraine to maximise pressure regarding gas shortages throughout Europe . It is likely that Putin has got a sense that Germany is not going to defend Ukraine and without Germany , large military assistance is unlikely .

It is likely that Germany has agreed to the idea of Ukraine remaining non aligned .

My perspective is that Germany probably understands Russia’s strategic concerns regarding NATO missiles being based in Ukraine , and anticipates formalisation of ukraines neutral buffer status , plus ukraines progression towards EU membership which Russia is unlikely to oppose .

This may be portrayed by atlanticists as perfidious Putin attempting to split NATO and succeeding in rebuilding The Russian sphere in defiance of fading U.S. influence . An alternative view would be that the USA attempt to trigger war and re establish usa hegemony over Europe as a prelude to the destabilisation , rape and dismemberment of Russia has been frustrated by the forces of peace and Eurasian cooperation led by Russia and Germany . It’s time the inhabitants of the continent learned to get along , and blocked any external ‘divide and rule’ machinations .“

[Bill Ryan]

This is light relief — sort of. A fight broke out on live Ukrainian TV, a journalist vs a pro-Russian politician. Human nature at its most primitive. :)

Remember the famous line in Dr. Strangelove: Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

And a mod note, to take the opportunity:
A degree of fighting also seems to be present on this thread. Zamolxe is the provocateur, though he's always super-careful to be as polite as he can. The mods are watching carefully.

Enjoy the short video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io6gtk57W9o

[Zamolxe]

Hi, I just want to bring some context to this as you might not know who this guy is and it seems to have resulted in an uninformed conclusion.



According to Viktor Medvedchuk, the media campaign of fake reports about an imminent Russian invasion cost $12 billion to the economy of Ukraine


It's easy to read this wrongly if you don't have much knowledge about Ukrainian politics, but just want to give you some details about Viktor Medvedchuk:


Medvedchuk is considered an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom he has referred to as "a personal friend".[9] Putin is the godfather of Medvedchuk's daughter Daryna (born in 2004)


In December 2013, the Kyiv Post newspaper called Medvedchuk "the undisputed leader of Russia's fifth column in Ukraine."


On 11 May 2021 the Prosecutor General of Ukraine accused Medvedchuk of treason and attempted looting of national resources in (Russian annexed but internationally recognised as Ukrainian) Crimea. Medvedchuk has been under house arrest since 13 May 2021




Finally the Ukrainian politicians are waking up, too bad it is so late to turn back, they are now in the pit and i don't see how they will just escape it. If they turn their backs to the US/UK a new coup will happen for sure, or an assassination

So the claim that "finally ukr politicians are waking up", "turning their back to the US/UK" in relation to this specific politician doesn't really make a lot of sense, sorry to say that.


People reading your post might be led to think that Ukraine and its politicians are suddenly moving away from "the West", an unexpected shift.

But as I just pointed out, this guy is and always has been a Putin ally, there has been no shift in his position.



PS:
Wikipedia is a good english language resource for this, anyone can read his page and check the sources. Just some chapters:
Legal career and participation in political trials against Soviet dissidents
Relationship with Vladimir Putin
Accusations of involvement in Euromaidan suppression
Involvement in the 2014 separatist movements and Russo-Ukrainian War
Sanctions and criminal prosecution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Medvedchuk

[Open Minded Dude]

Another interesting article by T. Roeper about an ongoing dispute with a journalist colleague regarding the 'wars of aggression' of Russia in the (recent) past as shown in this list:

https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Sowjetisch-russische_Kriege_und_Militaerinterventionen_seit_1945.jpg

https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/putin-ein-ehrenmann-leserfragen-zu-einem-artikel-bei-reitschuster/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


(...) I do not want to go into what concerns the Soviet Union. Today's Russia is no more the Soviet Union than today's Federal Republic of Germany is not Nazi Germany. These were different systems and ideologies that cannot be equated with their successors today. In Russia - and Putin says this again and again - there is a consensus that the Soviet Union was a repressive state that also caused a lot of mischief due to its state ideology.

So let's take a look at the accusations made against today's Russia in the picture. This is about what concerns the "new Russia", as it is also called in Russia itself, i.e. the period since the end of the Soviet Union in December 1991. (...)

[Mashika]

So you still don't understand how you are being played with?

Please allow me to explain what just happened to you just now

I posted this knowing very well who he is, and i hoped you would know better than to immediately run to find anything against him you could use to discredit the person. I previously already told you to not do that as it just shows how easy to lead you are and how this is very low level of conversation, meant for lower level street monkeys

I'm playing you like a fiddle :P and you can't even figure out how, this is actually sad and depressing and i'm sorry but here you are

Instead of discussing if he said some truth or not, you jumped directly into character assassination, and completely ignored anything else i quoted from him

Why did you do that? Simple answer is, because once again you are throwing rocks and sticks across the river :)

You don't have a personal opinion, it's just a stream of tweets and quotes from other people using you as their mouthpiece

And i just have proven it here.

Look how arrogant and butt hurt you are here

Hi, I just want to bring some context to this as you might not know who this guy is and it seems to have resulted in an uninformed conclusion.

:bigsmile::facepalm: It says so much about how you truly feel inside, you could barely contain yourself lmao

Here's another one of yours


It's easy to read this wrongly if you don't have much knowledge about Ukrainian politics

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL: See? You played yourself into this position.

Doesn't look like you realise it yet, but i already told you before to don't go running so fast to post in a "look what i found!" way, less you may end up looking foolish. Yet you did not learned anything at all here :(

Here's what i said


But you don't think much when you're running to be the first to say "look what i found!!!!".. Lol, simple minds

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1483720&viewfull=1#post1483720

And you did it again :facepalm:

This is why there's no intelligent conversation going on and it's so boring that i won't keep going with it. This last post of yours was meant to be, i directed to you it, just to prove how easy to manipulate you are

Let me make it very clear: When i posted that, i knew all about that guy's past, you immediately did what i expected but hoped you would not do, and that is, to run search for anything you can find that will serve as material to discredit the person, while completely ignoring the message

And that's exactly where the screaming monkeys throwing rocks & sticks among other things across the river stand :raining:

I bet you came running back to this thread to post that, thinking you would make me look bad and insult me at the same time with your little passive aggressive remarks about me being ignorant of Ukrainian politics :clapping:

See? Or not.. in any case, it's your problem to solve, not mine

Productive conversation, for people truly interested in the truth, would have involved this


Is Ukraine now in debt with the US/UK NATO?
If so, how much and for how long? What does these contracts require from Ukraine?
Who will benefit on each end, from the contracts and money/arms being sent across?
If Ukraine breaks those contracts, what does it say is the penalty?

Questions! Do you have any? Or just looking to put the blame on someone (or a country, perhaps :P)

So, once again, the conversation is over, thanks for participating :star:

Your full post quoted below


Hi, I just want to bring some context to this as you might not know who this guy is and it seems to have resulted in an uninformed conclusion.


According to Viktor Medvedchuk, the media campaign of fake reports about an imminent Russian invasion cost $12 billion to the economy of Ukraine


It's easy to read this wrongly if you don't have much knowledge about Ukrainian politics, but just want to give you some details about Viktor Medvedchuk:


Medvedchuk is considered an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom he has referred to as "a personal friend".[9] Putin is the godfather of Medvedchuk's daughter Daryna (born in 2004)


In December 2013, the Kyiv Post newspaper called Medvedchuk "the undisputed leader of Russia's fifth column in Ukraine."


On 11 May 2021 the Prosecutor General of Ukraine accused Medvedchuk of treason and attempted looting of national resources in (Russian annexed but internationally recognised as Ukrainian) Crimea. Medvedchuk has been under house arrest since 13 May 2021




Finally the Ukrainian politicians are waking up, too bad it is so late to turn back, they are now in the pit and i don't see how they will just escape it. If they turn their backs to the US/UK a new coup will happen for sure, or an assassination

So the claim that "finally ukr politicians are waking up", "turning their back to the US/UK" in relation to this specific politician doesn't really make a lot of sense, sorry to say that.


People reading your post might be led to think that Ukraine and its politicians are suddenly moving away from "the West", an unexpected shift.

But as I just pointed out, this guy is and always has been a Putin ally, there has been no shift in his position.



PS:
Wikipedia is a good english language resource for this, anyone can read his page and check the sources. Just some chapters:
Legal career and participation in political trials against Soviet dissidents
Relationship with Vladimir Putin
Accusations of involvement in Euromaidan suppression
Involvement in the 2014 separatist movements and Russo-Ukrainian War
Sanctions and criminal prosecution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Medvedchuk

[Mashika]

Zelensky ignored again by the US, they have their own plans, and Ukraine seems to be the sacrificial pawn. No request from Ukraine to stop lying about the Russian invasion have been heard

This is so bizarre, the country in the middle of this conflict has requested multiple times over the past weeks to stop the hysteria, yet the US has decided on their own that nothing coming from Ukraine matters. There will be war because they apparently seem to need one urgently

https://www.rt.com/russia/550068-us-media-putin-invasion-orders/


The US State Department on Sunday told American citizens in Russia to prepare their “evacuation plans,” citing unspecified “media sources” as warning of attacks on hotels, metro stations and other targets in major Russian cities. The department had previously moved its Ukrainian embassy to Lvov from Kiev and urged American citizens both in Ukraine and neighboring Belarus to leave the country.


You have to wonder who are the madmen in this entire situation, the ones trying to make things stop and calm the hysteria, or the ones pushing hard for total chaos and becoming so paranoid they are becoming a liability for the entire of humanity

This seems to be linked to whatever contracts Ukraine has signed with NATO/US/UK, since it seems they are unable to do anything anymore and are just being used as a tool against Russia, no matter what they say is truly happening on Ukraine's territory



Ukraine’s own Defense Minister Alexey Reznikov warned on Sunday against “inappropriate” speculation concerning an imminent Russian attack, saying that at this moment “no strike group has been formed” by Russia on Ukraine's borders.

Have they done the mistake of signing their own country away?

[pounamuknight]

Another interesting article by T. Roeper about an ongoing dispute with a journalist colleague regarding the 'wars of aggression' of Russia in the (recent) past as shown in this list:

https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Sowjetisch-russische_Kriege_und_Militaerinterventionen_seit_1945.jpg

https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/putin-ein-ehrenmann-leserfragen-zu-einem-artikel-bei-reitschuster/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp



For lazy & dumb people like me who can't be bothered clicking link to article pertaining to the complicated picture in German, provided by most excellent Open Minded Dude

(Thomas Röper (https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/putin-ein-ehrenmann-leserfragen-zu-einem-artikel-bei-reitschuster/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) of Anti-Spiegal and his response to a journalist colleague)

The allegations in the picture

I do not want to go into what concerns the Soviet Union. Today's Russia is no more the Soviet Union than today's Federal Republic of Germany is not Nazi Germany. These were different systems and ideologies that cannot be equated with their successors today. In Russia – and Putin says this again and again – there is a consensus that the Soviet Union was a repressive state that also caused a lot of mischief due to its state ideology.

So let's take a look at the accusations made against today's Russia in the picture. This is about what concerns the "new Russia", as it is also called in Russia itself, i.e. the period since the end of the Soviet Union in December 1991.

1988-1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
The conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh region broke out in 1988 and was at times a hot war in the early 1990s before a ceasefire was negotiated in 1994 with the mediation of Russia. It is difficult to pinpoint a culprit, the conflict has its roots in the 19th century. The region, i.e. the Caucasus, is a patchwork quilt of countless smaller and larger ethnic groups and therefore a traditional powder keg.

In the mixed-populated region of Nagorno-Karabakh, conflicts erupted between Christian Armenians and Islamic Azerbaijanis from 1988. As a result, Armenia won the war at that time and the Azerbaijanis were expelled from Nagorno-Karabakh. After that there was no reconciliation.

This war is listed in the picture in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although Russia was not involved in the war at all.

1991-92 South Ossetia War
The war in question was also one of the civil wars that broke out in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Ossetians and Abkhazians were part of the Georgian republic in the Soviet Union, but they never wanted to be part of an independent Georgian state. The reason is that in the course of the civil war after the October Revolution there were also conflicts between Georgians on the one hand and the Ossetians and Abkhazians on the other hand, in which thousands of Ossetians and Abkhazians were killed. Ossetia speaks of a genocide by the Georgians. Georgians then moved into the subsequently depopulated places.

In the Soviet Union it didn't matter which Soviet republic a region belonged to, just as it doesn't matter whether a village in Germany belongs to Hesse or Lower Saxony. This only became important when Georgia became independent and the conflict broke out again.

This is how the war started in 1991, during which the Ossetians fought to avoid falling under Georgian control. The war then ended, with South East Asia and Abkhazia becoming de facto (but not internationally recognized) independent from Georgia. The line of contact has been secured by Russian peacekeeping forces since 1992.

This war is listed in the picture in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although Russia was not involved in the war at all.

1992 Transnistrian War
That too was a civil war in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union. The small former Soviet Republic of Moldova is now located between Ukraine and Romania and is a mixed multi-ethnic state. War broke out there in 1992 because the small region of Transnistria, which is home to a large number of Russians, did not want to join Moldova, where there were strong Romanian nationalist tendencies. By the way, volunteers from the Ukraine also came to help the Russians in Transnistria at that time, those were the times when the artificially created division between Ukrainians and Russians did not yet exist.

The war ended when the Soviet 14th Army stationed in Transnistria split the factions. Then there was a ceasefire and since then Moldovan, Transnistrian and Russian peacekeepers have been patrolling the line of contact together.

This war is pictured in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars" when Russia's sole role was to end the hostilities.

1992-93 First Abkhazian War
The same applies here as in the South Ossetia war. It was Georgia's conflict with the Ossetian and Abkhazian minorities.

This war is listed in the picture in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although Russia was not involved in the war at all.

1992 East-Progorodny conflict
This conflict also belongs to the conflicts over Ossetia and Abkhazia. After all, the Caucasus is a melting pot of cultures and, above all, of the (small) peoples who sometimes fought each other when the Soviet Union collapsed. North Ossetia and Ingushetia are both parts of Russia, so it was an intra-Russian ethnic conflict in which Russian units intervened to stop the incursions of Islamist Ingush militants on Ossetians.

This conflict is listed in the picture in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although it was an ethnic conflict between two peoples that Russian units ended.

1992-97 Tajik Civil War
Tajikistan was a Soviet republic that became independent after the collapse of the Soviet Union. In the civil war that followed, various currents (from former communists to pro-Western forces and Islamists) fought against each other. In 1994 there was a ceasefire that was supposed to be secured by Russian peacekeeping forces, but it didn't last. Peace was negotiated in Moscow in 1997.

This war is listed in the picture in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although Russia was not involved in the war at all, but only an intermediary between the warring parties.

1993 Georgian Civil War
As seen in the conflicts over Ossetia and Abkhazia, Georgia was a Soviet republic that became independent after the collapse of the Soviet Union. In the course of the conflicts there were coups in Georgia and a civil war by various forces that wanted to take power in the young state.

This Georgian civil war is listed in the picture in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although Russia was not involved in the war at all.

1994-96 First Chechen War
There are two perspectives on the Chechen war. The Western perspective speaks of the Chechen people's struggle for independence, the Russian perspective is different: it was by no means the Chechens who were fighting for their independence, but infiltrated Arab Salafists who, to quote the rebels at the time, wanted "an Islamic state, a caliphate “ wanted to build. These terms, which only became known in the West in 2012, when Arab Wahhabi Islamists established their regime of terror in Iraq and Syria, had been an issue in Russia since 1994.

The aim of the Islamists was to gain control of the entire Caucasus, i.e. the Russian but Islamic region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.

The war ended in 1996 with de facto autonomy for Chechnya, because the Russian army in Russia, which was chronically bankrupt under Yeltsin, was unable to assert itself against the Islamists who had immigrated.

This war is pictured in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars" even though it was a conflict within the Russian state sparked by infiltrated foreign Islamists.

1998 Second Abkhazian War
It is not clear what the Second Abkhazian War is supposed to be. Abkhazia declared independence from Georgia in 1994 and confirmed this in a 1999 referendum. As with South Ossetia, there were always small skirmishes with Georgia, but I couldn't even find anything about a war that is said to have raged there in 1998 on Russian-language websites.

This is listed in the picture in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although nothing seems to have happened at all, at best someone calls a small skirmish a "war".

1999 Dagestan War and 1999-09 Second Chechen War
The events of 1999 are listed as two wars in the image in the Reitschuster article, which is simply not true. In fact, the Second Chechen War began with an attack on Dagestan by the Islamists, who had controlled Chechnya since 1996, because they wanted to expand their "caliphate". I reported on the 20th anniversary of the events, the article can be found here. (https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2019/20-jahre-nach-beginn-des-tschetschenien-krieges-erfuellt-putin-im-kaukasus-ein-versprechen/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)

Otherwise, the same applies to the Second Chechen War as to the First Chechen War, except that this time Russia won the war. It is interesting how this was possible, as it belies the Western legend that the Chechens fought for their independence from Russia.

Putin was persuaded by the "pro-Russian" Chechen leader Kadyrov (whose son is now President of Chechnya) to declare an amnesty. The Chechens, previously fearful of Russian prosecution for their involvement in the war, then switched sides. With the help of the local population, it was possible to expel the foreign Islamists who had infiltrated Chechnya.

2002-04 Pankisi Gorge Crisis
The Pankisi Valley is located in Georgia and is inhabited by Chechens, among others. The valley was a haven for gun and drug smuggling criminals in the early 2000s. Georgia has been pressured from abroad to take action. Incidentally, by no means only from Russia, but also from the USA, because Arabs from al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations were also hiding in the valley.

When these terrorists fought in Chechnya, the US supported them, but when they settled in Georgia, which the US wanted to establish as an outpost against Russia (which it later became), the US moved against them.

Incidentally, the Chechen who was shot in the so-called “Tiergarten murder” in Berlin also belonged to one of the Pankisi groups and he was also involved in Islamist terrorist attacks and organized crime. Russia has repeatedly requested his extradition from Germany, but this has always been rejected.

This "war" (which wasn't one) is pictured in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although Russia was no more involved in the story than, for example, the USA, and although it is - also from from a Western point of view - acted around an internationally demanded action by Georgia against al-Qaeda and organized crime.

2007 Ingushetia War
This war never happened either. Instead, it is again one of the problems of the Caucasus and the Chechen war. In the wake of the nearby war in Chechnya, Islamists had a strong following in the Russian republic of Ingushetia. Even Der Spiegel wrote about Ingushetia and the situation there in 2008 :

“After the war in neighboring Chechnya, it became a stronghold for armed Islamists. They shoot police officers and secret service agents almost every day, blow up their vehicles or fire grenades at government buildings. In the first half of 2008 alone, 70 police officers were killed in armed attacks in Ingushetia. (...) The Islamic militants are fighting for a "Caucasian Emirate" that is said to stretch from the Caspian to the Black Sea. The Islamists are also gaining ground in the neighboring republics of Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia and Dagestan. Also in Dagestan, with 2.6 million inhabitants the largest North Caucasus republic, assassinations are part of everyday life.

Here, too, there can be no question of a “Russian war”, rather it was about the fight against Islamist terror in a constituent republic of Russia. Nevertheless, this "war" in the picture is listed in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars".

2008 Caucasus War
We are now familiar with the problems between Ossetia and Abkhazia on the one hand, and Georgia on the other. After Georgian President Saakashvili, who came to power through the Rose Revolution organized by Soros, struck nationalist tones and wanted to bring the areas back under Georgian control, the USA gave Georgia hope for NATO membership and fired Saakashvili in his anti-Russian and nationalist rhetoric .

Saakashvili therefore believed that the US would come to the aid of Georgia in a war with Russia. That was a mistake.

When Georgian troops first attacked the Russian peacekeeping forces in early August 2008 and then bombed residential areas of the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali for a whole night, Russian troops set off and when they were there a day later, the Georgian army didn't stand a chance . The war lasted only five days, and Russia even advanced into Georgian territory for a few days, destroying important military infrastructure there. Then the Russians withdrew.

This version is also confirmed by the EU investigation report from 2009. It describes Georgia's attack as contrary to international law, but the Russian action as appropriate - only the Russian occupation of some parts of Georgia, which lasted a few days, is described as excessive, but covered by international law.

This war is pictured in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars" even though Georgia started the war and even though the EU investigation concluded that Russia was only defending itself.

since 2009 guerrilla warfare in the North Caucasus
Here, too, it is not clear what exactly is meant by this. After the Chechen war was declared over in 2009, there is relative calm in the Caucasus. Due to the melting pot of peoples and religions, it will probably never be really quiet in the sense that we understand it in Central Europe, but there are no longer open combat operations there and there can be no question of a guerrilla war.

This article (https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2019/wie-russland-die-sprachen-gebraeuche-und-traditionen-seiner-nationalen-minderheiten-schuetzt/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) explains how fragmented the Caucasus is .

2010 riots in southern Kyrgyzstan
Kyrgyzstan is also a former Soviet republic that became independent after 1991. The country is unstable and in 2010 there was rioting and a coup. It's just not clear what Russia is supposed to have to do with it. There were domestic problems.

This "war" is listed in the picture in the Reitschuster article as an example of "Russian wars", although there was no war at all, but it was a coup that Russia had nothing to do with.

2010-2012 uprising in Tajikistan
This is another example of "wars" that never happened. It is not clear which "uprising the Tajikistan" is referred to, because the country was quite stable between 2010 and 2012. Anyone looking online for events from that time in Tajikistan will find reports about construction projects, an agreement with China in a border dispute and a few other events, but nothing about an uprising that, according to the picture Reitschuster linked, spanned the country for two years should have shaken for a long time.

Nonetheless, the image in the Reitschuster article lists it as an example of "Russian wars."

since 2011 Syria
This is also disinformation, because Russia is active in Syria, but only since 2015. In 2011 it was the USA that started the war in Syria. If this is new to you, you can read about it here (https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2019/syrien-cia-operation-timber-sycamore-deutsche-medien-verschweigen-ihren-lesern-die-wahrheit/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp). The USA started the Syrian war with the CIA operation "Timber Sycamore", which the German media has not reported on to this day, although the documents in Washington were released years ago.

2014 Crimean Crisis
The last “Russian war” pictured in the Reitschuster article concerns the 2014 Crimean crisis, which resulted in Crimea reuniting with Russia. Since I have already written a great deal about this, I will skip it here and refer to this article (https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2019/fuenf-jahre-danach-wie-es-2014-nach-dem-maidan-zum-referendum-auf-der-krim-kam/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) in which I have reproduced the events of spring 2014 in minute detail.

Conclusion
I really appreciate the work Boris Reitschuster is doing on the Covid-19 issue. He is definitely one of the best journalists in Germany on this subject. However, I totally disagree with him about Russia, and this image of “Russian wars” shown by Reitschuster in his article is a striking example of why, as it suggests something (namely, Russia's alleged aggressiveness) that is not there. At least the examples given in the picture are all refutable and the picture is nothing more than opinion making based on untruths. And opinion-making is, by definition, not good journalism.

It is a pity that Reitschuster, who works so well with facts and, above all, sources in his reporting on Corona, takes a different approach when it comes to Russia and, for example, posts such pictures instead of bringing facts backed by sources]

[Zamolxe]

So you still don't understand how you are being played with?

Please allow me to explain what just happened to you just now

I posted this knowing very well who he is, and i hoped you would know better than to immediately run to find anything against him you could use to discredit the person. I previously already told you to not do that as it just shows how easy to lead you are and how this is very low level of conversation, meant for lower level street monkeys

I'm playing you like a fiddle :P and you can't even figure out how, this is actually sad and depressing and i'm sorry but here you are

Instead of discussing if he said some truth or not, you jumped directly into character assassination, and completely ignored anything else i quoted from him

Why did you do that? Simple answer is, because once again you are throwing rocks and sticks across the river :)

You don't have a personal opinion, it's just a stream of tweets and quotes from other people using you as their mouthpiece

And i just have proven it here.

Look how arrogant and butt hurt you are here

Hi, I just want to bring some context to this as you might not know who this guy is and it seems to have resulted in an uninformed conclusion.

:bigsmile::facepalm: It says so much about how you truly feel inside, you could barely contain yourself lmao

Here's another one of yours


It's easy to read this wrongly if you don't have much knowledge about Ukrainian politics

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL: See? You played yourself into this position.

Doesn't look like you realise it yet, but i already told you before to don't go running so fast to post in a "look what i found!" way, less you may end up looking foolish. Yet you did not learned anything at all here :(

Here's what i said


But you don't think much when you're running to be the first to say "look what i found!!!!".. Lol, simple minds

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1483720&viewfull=1#post1483720

And you did it again :facepalm:

This is why there's no intelligent conversation going on and it's so boring that i won't keep going with it. This last post of yours was meant to be, i directed to you it, just to prove how easy to manipulate you are

Let me make it very clear: When i posted that, i knew all about that guy's past, you immediately did what i expected but hoped you would not do, and that is, to run search for anything you can find that will serve as material to discredit the person, while completely ignoring the message

And that's exactly where the screaming monkeys throwing rocks & sticks among other things across the river stand :raining:

I bet you came running back to this thread to post that, thinking you would make me look bad and insult me at the same time with your little passive aggressive remarks about me being ignorant of Ukrainian politics :clapping:

See? Or not.. in any case, it's your problem to solve, not mine

Productive conversation, for people truly interested in the truth, would have involved this


Is Ukraine now in debt with the US/UK NATO?
If so, how much and for how long? What does these contracts require from Ukraine?
Who will benefit on each end, from the contracts and money/arms being sent across?
If Ukraine breaks those contracts, what does it say is the penalty?

Questions! Do you have any? Or just looking to put the blame on someone (or a country, perhaps :P)

So, once again, the conversation is over, thanks for participating :star:

Your full post quoted below



Hi Malisa,

It seems you are confused again, let me explain.

Character assassination, or ad hominem is when you attack the person making a claim, instead of the merit of his argument.

Never in my post did I discuss his argument or tried to counter it (more on that later).

I only discussed your conclusion that ukrainian politicians are shifting away from the west while only providing one argument for that: this guy's critical view of "the west". I only showed that this politician hasn't changed his position at all.


Finally the Ukrainian politicians are waking up, too bad it is so late to turn back, they are now in the pit and i don't see how they will just escape it. If they turn their backs to the US/UK a new coup will happen for sure, or an assassination

As your conclusion was based on only this argument, and I showed that this argument is flawed, it results that your conclusion is flawed.

You can find any other ukr politician that was pro-west in the past and now against the west - and your conclusion could be held up. But you were not thorough and completely undermined your purpose.

Also, regarding "character assassination". All I did in my post was point out that he is aligned with Putin and is also at odds with the Ukrainian government (he is targeted by investigations). I never said that makes him good or bad. It was only you that implied that being an ally of Putin is inherently degrading. Do you know something that we don't?


Now, let's discuss his argument:

According to Viktor Medvedchuk, the media campaign of fake reports about an imminent Russian invasion cost $12 billion to the economy of Ukraine

This might shock you.... I somewhat agree with it. Yes, these past days have surely inflicted economic damage on Ukraine. The US evacuating its embassy gives a strong message to the markets, causing Ukraine to lose money, one way or another.

Now, the figure of "$12 billion"... I hope he also provides documents and research to back his claim and not just pulling a number out of thin air.


What I don't agree with is the statement that "the economic damage is caused by the West".

Let's try this thought experiment:

Imagine there's an earthquake off the coast of Japan. A tsunami alert is triggered.
The japanese authorities send out an emergency message asking everyone to leave their farms/factories/offices and head for high ground.
By halting all production, there certainly is an economic impact.

Now, who exactly is to blame for this economic impact?

Is it the japanese authorities that sent out the emergency message?
Or is it the earthquake / possible tsunami?

As a side note, I for one value life more than money.

If a family member or loved one dies because they didn't evacuate in time, believe me, you don't care at all about the $12 billion cost to your economy.


If you didn't understand the analogy let me explain:

In our case, the earthquake is the Russian build up - there is no more doubt about that (I provided hundreds if not thousands of images/videos)
The tsunami is the potential invasion of Russia into Ukraine
The emergency message is "the West" evacuating their embassies because of a potential invasion.

Right now, the earthquake has certainly happened.
We don't know for sure if the tsunami will come or not.


Also, as a side note, that's a very capitalist thing for him to say, basically placing profits over people.

See? Only now have I discussed his argument. And I never brought up his character in this discussion. Because that would be irrelevant.

So no, this was not character assassination. I think that I have thoroughly refuted that.
Again, you seem to not grasp basic concepts. Let me know if I need to explain anything else.

[Zamolxe]

As I have just proven that you completely misrepresented my post, wilfully or unwilfully... and launched into another tirade against me, I will be waiting for your apology and retraction.


you are being played with

how easy to lead you are

very low level of conversation

lower level street monkeys

I'm playing you like a fiddle

this is actually sad and depressing and i'm sorry but here you are

once again you are throwing rocks and sticks across the river

You don't have a personal opinion, it's just a stream of tweets and quotes from other people using you as their mouthpiece

arrogant and butt hurt you are

looking foolish

you did not learned anything at all here

there's no intelligent conversation

how easy to manipulate you are

screaming monkeys throwing rocks & sticks among other things across the river

your little passive aggressive remarks


All of this was just from the last post, there's more in the previous ones.


And they say that I'm the provocateur....


Later edit:
Oh, I forgot to answer your questions, my bad.




Is Ukraine now in debt with the US/UK NATO?
If so, how much and for how long? What does these contracts require from Ukraine?
Who will benefit on each end, from the contracts and money/arms being sent across?
If Ukraine breaks those contracts, what does it say is the penalty?



Answers inline, bolded


Is Ukraine now in debt with the US/UK NATO? No, they are not in debt with US/UK NATO. They are now in debt with the massive corporations (banking, arms manufacturers, etc) that also have immense power over the US/UK/NATO governments
If so, how much and for how long? Um, I dunno... probably a lot and for a long time What does these contracts require from Ukraine? I dunno, probably require Ukraine to pay them money?
Who will benefit on each end, from the contracts and money/arms being sent across? The corporations from point 1?
If Ukraine breaks those contracts, what does it say is the penalty? Have no idea, surely they were written to the benefit of the corporations, not Ukraine

[Bill Ryan]

For anyone who may be interested, there's an RT livestream right now awaiting Putin's promised televised statement this evening (now nearly 9pm in Moscow) re the independence of the two breakaway republics of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine.

I'd personally bet quite a lot that the following is correct. And I'd also bet that their functional independence will be established (and reluctantly accepted by the rest of the world) without a full-scale war breaking out.

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495777256421138436
1495777256421138436


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0I5eglJMRI

[Bill Ryan]

...And I'd also bet that their functional independence will be established (and reluctantly accepted by the rest of the world) without a full-scale war breaking out.https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1495821979227762697
1495821979227762697

[Zamolxe]

Russia stated that this morning Ukrainian soldiers invaded its borders and that 2 BMPs and 5 Ukrainian servicemen were neutralized.

The following 2 videos were released:
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1495809694656602118
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1495765118969421824

Special forces sabotage units wearing helmet cams that would incriminate them if caught...


Seems that multiple people have managed to geolocate the videos using google maps and also wild-fire detecting satellites (hats off to the person that had that idea). Incredibly, both match to the same location that is inside the separatist territories.
So, if true, it looks like another poorly executed false flag. :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1495775073906610180
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1495780783834943492
https://twitter.com/EydouxT/status/1495815924678639621

You can check the evidence for yourselves and draw your own conclusions:
https://goo.gl/maps/TvLcAMPVYPUCDQQb6
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:2022-02-20..2022-02-21,2022-02-20;@38.3,47.2,11z

[Mashika]

Interesting article about how Ukraine's army is being used to steal money from Ukraine, while delivering old/broken/obsolete arms and equipment

"APER TIGER OF THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX"
https://ukr-leaks.org/ru/Investigation/bumazhniy-tigr-ukrainskogo-voenno-promislennogo-kompleksa


The reason for such a deplorable state of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex lies in a truly phenomenal level of corruption. It is noteworthy that European "partners" of Nezalezhnaya were often involved in criminal schemes. Under P. Poroshenko, the military industry ended up in the hands of oligarchs associated with him, such as O. Gladkovsky (Svinarchuk), S. Pashinsky and their relatives.

Under the strict guidance of these "outstanding" figures in the countries of Eastern Europe, decommissioned equipment of the Warsaw Pact era was bought up at inflated prices, significant budget sums were allocated to non-core enterprises, and the development of their own samples of military equipment, which turned out to be a "crooked" modification of Soviet samples, was generously funded. And with each transaction, with each unit of weapons, the "patrons" received a solid "profit".


Mirrored here
https://en.news-front.info/2022/02/17/ukraines-military-industrial-complex-exists-only-on-paper-and-in-speeches-of-the-leadership/

[I am B]

I just listened to the Rogan-Nawaaz interview. And his take on this conflict seems SO spot on. Highly recomended.

War on Ukraine (not even war, instability as it is) would create even more shortages in the west. Energetic and foods. Shortages would create riots, and riots would create the acceptation of digital currency with purchases limitations to "avoid" those riots, and have us all eating bug burgers, and Social Credit.

[Bill Ryan]

Putin has just now (a minute ago) formally recognized the sovereignty of Donetsk and Luhansk. That was his closing statement in an hour-long live televised address.

[Bill Ryan]

A screenshot from the RT livestream (https://youtube.com/watch?v=V0I5eglJMRI). These are flags and fireworks in Donbass... not mortar fire. :)

https://projectavalon.net/Fireworks_in_Donbass.jpg