There may be three different kinds of people on Planet Earth

[Bill Ryan]

This premise really needs the kind of long, historically referenced, and meticulously presented video such as was published by Rich Dolan recently, and posted here:


The Window is Closing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114407-The-Window-is-Closing)

But I've been thinking about this for a long time — many years, even — and many reading this may have been too. What follows is the briefest summary, and it's also bound to be a simplification of a whole bunch of complexities. But I want to start the discussion.

Very broadly and crudely speaking, there are three different kinds of people on Planet Earth.

DNA has little or nothing to do with it — with the caveat that bloodlines might be intertwined in all this somehow. But I'll not go into that in this first post. It's at least mainly a spiritual thing.

Meaning, what beings are in the human bodies, why they're here, and what their lineage was.

#1) A comparative minority (though still probably numbering many tens of millions) of aware, awake, attuned, sensitive, very conscious people with (a) a great sense of empathy for Planet Earth and all things natural, and (b) a great sense of bewilderment about what the heck is happening here and why.

And many of those have significant spiritual abilities, in various stages of activation. (Some may still be dormant, but those people will still feel very strongly that they have some sense of spiritual purpose — though they might not know what it is.)

#2) A more sizeable minority that is only attuned to power, money, control, manipulation, greed, and is (at least) insensitive to all things natural. And a smaller subset of those are (a) pathological, and (b) running almost everything on the planet in terms of administration, politics, finance and corporate business.

#3) A majority of what J.K. Rowling called 'Muggles'. I don't use that as a derogatory term; it's just another simplistic label. A 'Muggle' in Harry Potter's world is simply a regular person who has no magical abilities — as the first group absolutely has (and which the second group tries to suppress or destroy), and which the elite members of the second group have in 'black' form, often to a significant extent.

The spiritual battle is #1 vs #2. And it's age-old, inasmuch as members of each group recognize one another, reunite, form bonds and kinships, and this is just the latest battleground. And often, they recognize their enemies.

All kinds of karma (meaning: unfinished business from past lives, of any imaginable kind) can get triggered into action, and can often cause equal bewilderment, at least for a while, to those in group #1.

Merely sharing the same living space, #3 are really those who are caught up in all this and are easily manipulated. They're what #2 regard as the 'useless eaters', but in the meantime, they're useful workers. They basically make stuff, grow stuff, do stuff, sell stuff, and transport stuff.

And the more able members of #3 may be highly educated and have a high intellect, but still be (e.g.) scientists, journalists or educators with astonishingly little true awareness.

They're still in group #3. They're Muggles, but intelligent Muggles. They may write books and may have PhDs. However, no amount of intelligence will ever gain them magical abilities, or magical awareness. They still have a low operational ceiling.

And they're absolutely used as tools by group #2. They're a perfect example, very often, of how intellect and spiritual awareness are mutually fully independent variables.

So here are some interesting questions. I'll pause here, and just pose them — though I have my own ideas which I'll be happy to share here later.


When did this all start here on Planet Earth?
What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.)
What are the possible outcomes?
Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play, or be playing?
What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?

[EFO]

Created "folklore" is very rich in stories,myths and legends.Truth is highly diluted and what was left from ancient times is so bad misinterpreted,that even those who are practice rituals don't understand what they are doing.On the other hand,considering Earth a "school" or a "prison" could lead to those layers of society you mention above with all the questions that follow.But,if Earth is considered a "factory",in which ALL of us are working - not employed -,then,well, things are changing dramatically like being all equals,but doing different tasks depending on everyone's own environment.

If every one of us belong to a "civilization",imagine how hard would be to arrange all geometric forms to fit prefect in an unknown geometric form.

Returning to #1,#2 and #3 types,I may say that "thanks" to #2 more of us became awaken,especially in the last and a half year :rofl: referring to your questions about trends and outcomes.

As et's are different,everyone of us receive what we are interested to receive and playing their role for every individual.It's not a theater for masses.

I came here for R&R...I have had enough battles and wars and everything related and when I turned back from where I came I will have a good laugh about ALL happening here during my staying and now I'm creating a new and beautiful world for the next... even here.

[boja]

Thanks, Bill. Excellent summary of the current situation.
Will give this more consideration, then respond.

[9ideon]

Apparently I am not the only one thinking along those lines.

In my thought patterns it basically depends on soulless vs soullike.

The way I see it is that the seeds have been planted always, how the creature is approached during life will decide how they use their "knowledge". My favorite example is Leonardo, very smart fella for his time, yet he worked for the system at that same time. Tesla refused to play the system and was to go down a path of obscurity. Both were ahead of their time, both were probably not to bad on a personal level and yet they both worked on either side of the coin.

What I mean with this is that cat I as Bill describes it can also fall victim to what they see and take as normal, our system. They will never fully awake, yet there are other specifics they use during their lifetime.

The Psychopaths (soulless ones), now running this World in the full (well, was there ever a time in current times, lol) are basically accompanied by sociopaths, they can be recruited from both of the other groups (keeping Bill's 3#). That recognition thing Bill mentioned, I fully support that theory for reasons known.

See I think that 3rd group Bill is talking about, the drones, are basically a fallout symptom of the destructive system opposed on us (over many Millennia), at some stage in a bloodline someone gives up, they raise their kids to stay below the fireline, this will continue for generations and has the end result as it is now, drones, I think this is meant to have happened to all of us, but some just don't take, like I mentioned earlier, seeds are always there, it just depends how it comes out. Some just wake up at some stage, I am fully convinced it is meant to happen this way, let the future tell us why.

[palehorse]

Superb subject, thank you.
I will do my best to answer that.


"When did this all start here on Planet Earth?"
I am not even close to answer this one, but when I was a student of the Fourth Path, I was constantly listening one thing and with time I realized that it makes a lot of sense, according to Gurdjieff we all belong to the Order of Idiots, the word idiot here meaning: to be oneself and being so, to those in illusion, such a one behaves like an idiot. He first said that in 1920 and he called it "a toast to the Idiots" and it is classified as having 21 different types of idiots. Mr. Gurdjieff himself said he was Idiot No. 17.

The Science of Idiotism
"He often said that this comes from a very ancient tradition, four thousand five hundred years old; that it was known in Babylon and afterwards preserved in Central Asia. He himself came across it in a brotherhood – having their central monastery, I gathered, in the Pamirs – where he spent some time. This Brotherhood used the symbolism of the Idiots for expressing and preserving important knowledge about Man and his Destiny. This was handed down from generation to generation by initiates, and is now one of the principal secrets of this Brotherhood."
ref.: https://selfdefinition.org/gurdjieff/quotes/science-of-idiotism.htm


What are the current trends?
modern social media brainwash slavery and everything that follows and connect to it i guess.


What are the possible outcomes?
Chaos Control, that's the only outcome they expect to see based on what they are trying to accomplish, once the mass surrender themselves and they are doing without questioning, It is total game over for them. The resistance will always exist and I believe there will be a way to break the wheel, a very determined group willing to sacrifice everything for that, but it will not be with mass awareness (I do not believe it is possible to wake the entire word, despite all trends around it nowadays, no way, even religions failed to do that).


Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play, or be playing?
This is the most important question in my opinion, I do believe that a small group of people will be enough with the help of extraterrestrial race, I truly don't know how, when, or why it should be accomplished that way, but I know it will, with the help of a more evolved race, because we clearly can't deal with our own ****. Our house (earth) is a total mess by now.


What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?
I am very interested in know what everyone has to say about it, these are burning questions that permeate our existence since forever.
I would say I am definitely chasing the #1 for quite a while now, lived my entire life on serving bastards from #2 (I could say I was a Hopeless Idiot and also a Patented Idiot, among other types of Idiots), I was one of the "Muggles" (I am wondering what type of Idiot comprises a Muggle, perhaps all the types) with great interest in #1, in around 2000 I became much more interested in break the wheel rather than fix it, that's when I stop been a slave Muggle for the leech elite and decide to be the person, a human that I am supposed to be, the #1, I always had that internal voice calling me, and I always ignored that (always too busy serving some sort of idiot), even in some cases it was so freaking obvious and I still didn't give the correct attention, I guess later still better than never! If I compare my life with what I was in 20 years ago and now, I could say I am going down that stream pretty fast, my ultimate goal in to blend with the ocean of life. I still not fully realized what my purpose on life is, but sure I am getting close to it and if not in this life than maybe in the next or in the next one, what I mean is: I will swim down that stream, until I flow into the ocean of life and become one blended thing with it all.

A bit of topic here, but I would like to share a dream I had few days ago..
Sparkle of life, that's how I called it, a very clear dream that I have to confess, I was surprised, last time I had a lucid dream like that was years ago, before it was frequent and suddenly it stopped, but now few days ago I had it once again.
The dream was short but precise, the message was clear, it says we all humans have a sparkle within ourselves, this is also our very essence of what we really are, anything around it, egos or personalities are artificially created by us and it is not what we really are, once this sparkle burns out, life extinguish.
I still working on the interpretation of this dream, I don't know yet if it was a personal warning or something more general, I really do not know yet, all I can say is, I have been feeling a little disconnected with mankind lately, since the start of this plandemic.

Thanks for thread Bill, and have a good day everyone.

[iota]

i think we can be further divided into TWO classes of those belonging to either of the 3 sets mentioned

those who BElieve AND practice:


The RIGHT of INDIVIDUALS to CHOOSE

and those who do not

i just covered this in cleaning up my communication in another thread but basically had an "insight" as to the ABSOLUTE relevance of this ONE POINT that CLEARLY DIVIDES and separates ALL in EACH of the classes Bill designated

there ARE "aware" folk ... who having come to understanding of TRUTH now seek to IMPOSE their WILL on others because they know that they are "right"

sometimes, we can get caught up in the fact that we are RIGHT

as an excuse (or heaven forbid, justification for) FORCING OUR WILL upon another

we may be right
they may be wrong

but it is EVERYONE's RIGHT : TO CHOOSE for themselves

period

NO EXCEPTIONS

when we fail to honor that? WE are now engaging in CONTROL/DOMINATION paradigms

and irrespective of the issue, that makes US > WRONG

no better than the would be masters in group 2

it is SUCH a crux that this ONE point > honoring the RIGHT of CHOICE > Sovereignty of Individuals

would make impossible:


Communistic Regime in China or anywhere else in the world
Biden Presidency actually FRAUD in ANY election
FORCED Vaccinations
CANCEL CULTURE
HUMAN (and child) Trafficking
DESTRUCTION of Farmers (etc)
CENSORSHIP
GATES/SOROS/KLAUS etc
Hidden Powers > would NOT stand a chance IF people would have an inherent understanding of their RIGHT TO CHOOSE as this is CLEAR violations to this exist in ALL of these agendas

there is literally NOT an issue currently assailing us today that does NOT have this ONE point at its crux

and participants on either side of it

my purpose?

among many, i now see i have spent the last two decades, in a multitude of mediums and varying communications, including conducting seminars, teaching, thousands of words writing and even memes ALL to say this ONE point in a multitude of ways

BE YOU
(this involves and necessitates discovery of the TRUE nature of WHO one is ~ within NOT through external sources)

RESIST and NEVER give in to ANYONE's attempt to 'modify' or 'manipulate' or 'control' you to be
THEIR idea of you
(disallow further programming TELLING you who you are OR SHOULD be from ALL external sources)

boils down to HONORING the RIGHT of EACH to CHOOSE

even the right of choosing to be "wrong"

every communication i have given > that i was GIVEN to GIVE > boils down to this at its crux

ALL else will be nothing but a band aid that will land people back in a boat of subjugation

like if a "savior" saves them?

it serves them nothing
they did not personally "learn"
they did NOT connect to THEIR OWN power
and come next guy? they will be "enslaved" again

now .. if EVERYONE (or at least everyone in group 1) get this?

ALL else falls apart

the institutions named above? > crumble

something to strongly consider ...

moving on to solutions?

for ANY of the issues our planet faces today?

this would not just be one solution?
any other (solution) WILL fail without this basic tenant as foundation

:flower:

the struggle between group 1 and 2 is precisely over this point

in fact, it is the JOB of group 2 to create the conditions and make them as untenable as possible so as to provide the catalyst FOR group 1 to "get this" and in the reconnection to their Authentic Power render them obsolete

as, i repeat, these system would NOT hold up with people having THIS foundation of Sovereignty > ALL of them are DEPENDENT on OUR compliance and participation

[happyuk]

I see it as even simpler, boiling it down to two fundamental groups: those who are seeking God/truth and those who are not.

Spiritually minded people can cover all kinds of demographic groups and personality types: they may be people of great worldly affairs, or pass their lives as quietly and unobtrusively as a shadow; they may be wealthy or poor, highly educated or illiterate, skilled / unskilled, business owners or employees etc.

When you think in those terms, you realise that there are quite literally billions of antichrists on this planet right here and now, not just a tiny elite, antichrist I interpret as anybody wedded to rank materialism to the exclusion of an inner spiritual life.

[Libico]

Well put Bill!

Interesting what you wrote how 1s and 2s instinctively recognize each other and something I can definitely relate to as it's happened to me on many occasions. I'll never forget having lunch seeing a colleague meet his father who is fairly well known in world politics - said colleague (who was a decent guy but would come from what I would consider the lower level of the elite) before going back to his table, and his father and I locked eyes for a 4-5 seconds and just kind of slightly nodded to each other. It was a bit surreal but it felt like he knew I saw him for what he was and vice versa.

As for your questions:
When did this all start here on Planet Earth? I believe this kind of struggle is ongoing and in some respects will never cease - if we look at this reality as a virtual one or a training ground of sorts we need to be challenged to grow. It doesn't mean that our existence or experiences will be pleasant in the limited scope (of this lifetime), but at a macro level of soul development it would provide a net gain, much like how our body reacts when we have a fever and we heat up our own body to kill the pathogen.
What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.) Hard for me to say - I think it can go either way, but the tighter the noose becomes around the information war and control over the internet the higher our chances get of inching towards dystopia.

What are the possible outcomes? I don't see any kind of massive overnight awakening happening, not without external ET intervention which I don't think is realistic. It may sound sad to say but I think for there to be any kind of awakening we need to have massive suffering that will force 3s to stop for a second and question their paradigm... but if the flow of information is controlled by 2s it would be easy to misdirect as has been happening so far. Still if the 2s overplay their hand it could happen. Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest.
What role may they play, or be playing? I think the more benevolent ones may be playing the roles of parents in a way, but not intervening unless we do something incredibly stupid. The less benevolent ones are playing the rules of bullies, though I think they are limited by the parents with what they can get away with, but aren't entirely stopped by the parents. Bullying is horrible but it can build character and make you stronger.

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose? I know I have my own shortcoming to work on during this incarnation and I am doing my best to work on them. If I do fit into the #1 category I'd probably say I'm at the lower end of the spectrum trying to work on my remaining major flaws so I can take a more active role in the struggle... but that is probably many many lifetimes from now. I do what I can to talk to people about these issues and plant seeds to help people put down their blinders.

Regarding the 3s, I do agree that these are vast majority but I do believe that everyone has a spark that can be ignited even if it won't happen for several lifetimes - simply exposing this to them can get that process going. I do think though that the 2s are good at what they do and produce environments and scenarios to keep us in constant fear and spiritually repressed so breaking out of that state of mind is near impossible for the majority

[Michi]

Bill - this is a great subject!

Actually in regards to group 3 there is an interesting viewpoint to this which Shiva and Jonathan (Matrixxer) share. Both are practicing a type of meditation of complete stillness which they name "dissociation" and Jonathan wrote a book about it. (in German)

In their state of "dissociation" they uncover a large amount of people simply being some kind of "background actors" without inherent soul.

In regards to group 2, I wouldn't flat-out claim, they have no soul. Because beings can also turn to the dark in order to assert "being right".

Look at the movie: The Dark Knight, how Harvey Dent changes when he got tricked by the Joker.


Concerning my purpose, it has as a funny note the word wizard in it:

"be frequently thrilled by the self-determined journey, be thrilled while living a wizard life, establish the ability to enter at will supporting groups where beings are genuine and responsible, pull in optimum environments per as what I explored to be the best and optimum life building blocks (for any life)"

[Mashika]

Bill - this is a great subject!

Actually in regards to group 3 there is an interesting viewpoint to this which Shiva and Jonathan (Matrixxer) share. Both are practicing a type of meditation of complete stillness which they name "dissociation" and Jonathan wrote a book about it. (in German)

In their state of "dissociation" they uncover a large amount of people simply being some kind of "background actors" without inherent soul.

In regards to group 2, I wouldn't flat-out claim, they have no soul. Because beings can also turn to the dark in order to assert "being right".

Look at the movie: The Dark Knight, how Harvey Dent changes when he got tricked by the Joker.


Concerning my purpose, it has as a funny note the word wizard in it:

"be frequently thrilled by the self-determined journey, be thrilled while living a wizard life, establish the ability to enter at will supporting groups where beings are genuine and responsible, pull in optimum environments per as what I explored to be the best and optimum life building blocks (for any life)"

The old Zen masters opposed stillness meditation because of that same reason. You may perceive something that you consider a higher truth, but in reality is not. Reason is, once you get into full 'stillness' and a blank state, it is not you who is observing or perceiving things, it is possible you may be 'written on' or perception be 'inserted', at that point anything you could perceive could be compromised and you dont have a way to know it anymore

Dolores Cannon talked about the background actors too

Some perceive that group of people, but b cause the information was compromised, they turn into persons of the "2" group eventually, just by allowing the thought of "this person may not have a soul", which implies the observer believes they do have one and that's why they can 'see' the souless ones. Then 'souless people are lesser people' may derive from that

Its a dangerous road, and it can take someone from group 1 to group 2 in an instant, without even realizing it. Could be said that the information perceived at the moment of stillness was 'bugged' on purpose

50/50 risk you get real valuable info or you get bugged and your perception broken and redirected to see things as they are not, how to really tell once fully immersed on that reality and perception?

[Trisher]

It all depends on how far we zoom out or zoom in. By that I mean that the closer we look at humanity and examine them in detail the more we will see what appears to be differences. The more we zoom out and look at humanity as a whole the less difference we will see. Zoom out further and include the entire universe and we will become even more aware of how much we are intrinsically part of the whole.

Ironically if we stay zoomed in only as far as our characters and identities we see only the surface things. If we zoom in enough we may find the universe and Source right there within.

:flower:

[Anka]

It is the most sublime hypothesis for an overview in the seen and unseen construction of the world, I could not have synthesized this even hypothetically, and it is a conglomeration of prospects and conclusions extremely wide and simple, if we take into account the complexity of human beings. .

For me, the cradle of our human civilization is fabulous and beautiful, that is, we have seen and still feel the effect of the first very old wars, but in the midst of wars, there was still Nature, there were still happy little children running healthy on the grass, there were still herds of animals grazing happily. When I think of the Earth, for me it means "Home", no matter how this word resonates in my spirit, when I say "Earth" I say out loud "We are" and I am indestructible in this (without calling it faith).

There have always been leaders and descendants, those who lead and those who are led, but for the most part, our spirit has remained intact and indigenous, I would venture to say (with the greatest conviction) untouched in its original spectrum.

Maybe I don't need to use known and proven data so that I can have empathy, as a beautiful and supreme duty, as a kind of stubbornness to believe in good will and the pure inner spirit of humanity (with all the risk that I take it on and emphasize that even smiling). The same love (in the absence of forced determination) but altruistic enough for the spirit of sacrifice in honor of the central humanity of mankind, I have for Nature and the cosmos and animals.
It seems so childish to some what I say (I understand perfectly) so much, that the energy I emanate / deposit in it actually grows even more naturally and comprehensively.

It is truly a "spiritual thing" for me, apart from any known rules, I grew up without considering rules transmitted, transcribed, imposed, developed, approved, verified, legalized, demonstrated, conceptualized and interpreted, it is too much and too little at the same time, for me.
Of course I don't know what I'm doing (especially in such a plausibly diverse and uncertainly projected reality), but I really know who I am, and I want to put this at the service of others with the greatest joy and love (a kind of immense need, inescapable beautiful) and this over time has become an ability with implications in many areas and territories.
What I mean is that this "duty" is a very healthy and great energy as a whole in which, if I say "two words" with sufficient intention (not great) in the morning, then in the evening, I can safely turn on the TV for news, because somewhere in the middle of them I will see what I want to hear (with connections of continuous construction of course). But it is "something" too spontaneous and I am too "little" for all the socio-spiritual filtering.

I can't say "what" is my purpose here, it seems to me that I can't name such a wide area (or at least as intense as I dare to give it a name), what "I" could mean for the purpose and mission here, or for the deepest ancient mysteries and current global hysteria, it is too much to develop even for my little substantiated ego in this world to begin with at least a description.

But I feel terribly the nature of suffering, and it has already become a culture of absorbing all suffering, as in the heart of a mountain, in a special way.
I do not condemn those who are ruled by fear, I love them, even if I can sink with their fear ... it's nothing, we start from the beginning, between "losing" and "winning" I choose with anything and any price, the "attempt of goodwill" not as a substitute but as an internal sovereign law that I clung to forever .

Why comfort? Why not?
Because I can liken it to a journey, to an inner good, to spiritual well-being no matter what happens, to a journey of the mind to gratitude and a devotion of the heart to inseparable friendship and life, I will never park the car in waiting knowing that I have always wanted to go further, and I will not constrain and restrict the spiritual territory "or anything" to "those who deserve/or not", who am I to declare who deserves something and who deserves nothing ?.

I have met (as a societal stratification already practiced) "small people in society" and "academics with intelligence absorbed in global knowledge and diplomas" and all I can see are "people".
There was indeed a time in my youth when I called some of them "bad people" (from any social category), I called them "canned." I know you may not have much compassion for a can, but you can try, at least you can keep it, why? Because you have the space to accept that and because you can.
The prolifically set of mental intelligence can be corrected and adjusted even if sometimes the deficiencies are beyond the possible self-destructive potential always lead to exhaustion, gradual and safe in succumb.
Do you remember how you felt when you were in love?

Your heart sings with joy and you felt wonderful. This is exactly how the one who loves himself feels, with the only difference that his love will never leave him. This love lasts a lifetime even longer. Therefore, it is worth investing in it all that is best in you, just to offer it completely further to those around you, always with a complete disarmament and a fierce useful compassion.

Maybe we shouldn't be scared anymore, maybe we should stop maintaining terror and disharmony so that it seems even scarier to others too, it's really terrible to live expecting everything that can be worse in life.

How many people do not go to bed at night creating in their minds the most terrible scenarios related to a problem they face? They are no different from children who imagine that a monster is hiding under their bed, terrorizing themselves. No wonder that in these conditions, in some places, hysteria wreaks havoc in the world. The child who has nightmares needs his parents to feel relieved. As adults, we can no longer turn to our parents, but we have the ability to comfort ourselves. We have it.:heart:

Have you ever seen a person with hearing and speech impairments sing happily out loud, have you ever seen an 11-year-old child with mental paralysis standing up walking and smiling? This is human nature, how it all started is the hallmark of always continuing...the offspring will always be the root of a cosmological historiographer message in our simplicity of "being" outside the term, but entirely in.
Find your independent magic in this, you will have no other escape than out of any other alternative, not to choose, but to discern clearly (the best strategy to entrust ourselves to the perpetual benefit of others). It's too much to cover as a nuance, of course we don't have to make an "obsession" with the ideal of happiness, I don't think we're in full access to it anyway, but we can have a perfect taste of contentment content.

The world is really a realm of the relative, I don't think it's a realm of "things" we call partially unknown "absolute" precisely because some believe that meeting the absolute can be "beneficial" or "detrimental", but the absolute " it is not at home " in a world by definition " second " that belongs to us in an exceptional state.

As for me,(for me), good things are bad (for example to have a big and beautiful house and a "pink life") ...I am imbued with a kind of relatively stupid smile, I can not passively enjoy something that do not it really helps the spirit. Of course, between the sumptuous sofas and luminous butterflies from another world, I choose the inner discipline, but I am not a measure, I do not raise the natural to the rank of triumphant energy but to the rank of indulgence yes, I am only independent in the service of others.

A cumulative joy of having, to the detriment of others, would alter my current state of fulfillment, and it could not happen anyway, a joy of dilation and intimacy of the soul, a "welcome" state it's there and here, everywhere.

Because I haven't actually answered any of the questions, and I haven't even touched on the current topic, I apologize, but I will try to capture a spark at least from the whole reflection of this world, since I am just a small human being, that's why I appreciate the answers given here, as a feeling of power and efficiency to be "shoulder to shoulder" in all this"...gesturing, in fact, the general situation.

-thank you.

[pueblo]

So much of the Bible's wisdom has been hidden and distorted but one of the texts that still contains its kernel of profound truth is the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares.


The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

"24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares (weeds) among the wheat and went his way.

26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’

The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

-Matthew 13:24-30

Here the truth that there are indeed (at least) 2 fundamental types of humans is only thinly hidden by the story of the 'good seed', planted by the Father, those who have a little spark of the divine essence and the other 'bad seed', the weeds and tares, those planted by 'the enemy'.

Later on in Matthew Jesus breaks down for the disciples what the parable actually means...


"Then Jesus sent the multitudes away, and went into the house. His disciples came to him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the darnel weeds of the field."

He answered them, "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. As therefore the darnel weeds are gathered up and burned with fire; so will it be at the end of this age.

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

— Matthew 13:36-43, World English Bible

2 things to say, Firstly although this is a difficult subject for some it is essential to understand what is at play with this if you want to understand the true condition we humans find ourselves in now.

Secondly, I would advise against trying to categorize anyone based on their possible 'seed' status, its fruitless and possibly perilous. Knowing that these 'others' exist is enough.

[Harmony]

After watching Richard Dolan’s video on the “The Window is Closing” thread there was nothing he said that I couldn’t agree with.


I don’t know when this rift in humanity started, but it seems to have been a long time ago with stages and cycles. I think beings from other worlds and times and hybridisation is involved.


There definitely are different opposing energies at play. The parasitic type that feed off others and have no intention of knowing or learning another way, which would be the #2 kind of being.


I have always felt to be the #1 variety and perhaps the #1 variety came to help out here during this time and to gather information and as a learning experience, to fine tune our abilities.


The #3 ‘Muggles” variety I think may be here to learn as well as we learn from them what can happen in certain situations.


From what I have gathered over the years, there is other dimentional entities and timelines manipulating our ‘present’. Evidence seems to point to genetic hybridising in the past and an uptick of hybridising humans now. Possibly for unsavoury reasons and also, perhaps for essential long term servival of humans, possibly knowing the danger of cataclysmic cycles that happen periodically.


Could the ‘false alien agenda be to manipulate humans to get rid of the ‘good’ aliens and hybrids, that many of us could unknowingly be, while the nefarious alien agenda continues on with their manipulating power structure designed to benefit them alone.


Earth is in need of some TLC for sure. The more people on Planet Earth the more people need to learn how to cooperate and get along better with the good of the individual, everyone and the whole environment if there is to be a good future for Earth. We all need others for an evolved civilisation that works in balance within the whole. It is fine and well to have free will, but without making responsible decisions considering the effect on the whole and the future outcome we can already see how that will end.


The last question : I seem to be here to observe and correlate what is happening, what works and what doesn’t work. The dynamics of cause and effect. The relationship and integration of everything within the whole. The giving the taking the ebb and flow, chaos, stillness, and what truelly is Love? What does that energy encompass?


I have learned there is free will, and choices must be made and the reasons why you make those choices are from the observations you learn from, or intuit. Sometimes they aren’t the easy choices.


Learning how to navigate with spiritual, mental, emotional, and survival in the physical must be finely tuned in the learning process. We have a default range of settings for survival that we can go beyond and learn to use as navigational tools.


It is important to realise what my highest priority is. For me it is what will continue on in what I call ‘spiritual’ after this incarnation and take with us on our journey forward. The other driving energies that come into play, survival, emotional and mental need to come into alignment with the priority because it is what I choose, not because I “have to”.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Good stuff Bill. I've come to a similar conclusion over the years, that individuals are characterised by their spiritual energy, by how it is attuned, and specifically, in what 'band' of awareness they are operating. And this supposition did pretty much boil down to three categories: (1) those who know (of this greater reality), (2) those who don't know, and (3) those who don't care.

But I think you're quite right, on further reflection, that those in category (2) – who don't know – actually [B]do know, but are actively trying to thwart or suppress the spread of spiritual awareness. There's plenty of evidence for these dark manipulators, in the shape of elite families/royal bloodlines, and shady secret societies. There is media deception, religious conditioning, and tech addiction to consider also. There's a ton of evidence in the Hollyweird thread too a la ritual magic. The battle-front is very wide and multi-faceted.

It's a power game with (2). They have no interest in love, unity, or individual sovereignty. They use their energies to dominate, subjugate and instil fear. They are all about control. Because they have abandoned their connection to God, they have to syphon energy from others to fuel their own tanks. Ultimately, they have no interest in a benevolent Godhead. This is the path they are on. Likely is it karmic. Perhaps they were victims of religious persecution in past lives. Perhaps they suffered, over and over again, at what they perceive as the whim of a wicked and vengeful God. For whatever reason, they turned their backs on the spiritual path to go it alone as service-to-self entities, hellbent in attaining the power to forge their own destinies - who needs a God when they can become as gods themselves? (think transhumanism on that one).

The real war though isn't (1) vs (2). It's a war of (1) and (2) fighting over the remaining (3)s. Type (1) wants to bring them into the light of awareness, (2) wants to keep them where they are: deaf, dumb, blind, and obedient.

But I've long believed there's another category (4). This would include those on the outside – spiritual, extra-terrestrial – who, looking on, have come to the conclusion that this is a spiritual battle that category (1) will not win without assistance. The deck is stacked against them, as the (2)'s have become too powerful. So these outsiders have put in for a transfer, and arrived to bat for team (1), to swell their numbers and provide a little reinforcement. There's much more complexity to all this, but this in a nutshell.

[TomKat]

Dolores Cannon talked about the background actors too


Maybe we are all background actors on other timelines but this one.

[Patient]

Love the opening post Bill!

So now we can dive deep into it in many ways, but I tend to pull back and look at it as a whole.

If we simply say, "We are one." If we look deep we see all of the good and the bad - the balance, the yin and yang. The deep state has taken away gatherings and celebration. Tipped the scales big time. When it swings back there will be an over-abundance of celebrations. Of course I believe that it will come back.

There is also another definition of groups; those who need and look to follow, those who's desire it is to lead and those who follow their own desires and own path.

I believe that Humans are a special breed and perhaps it is scary for other ETs because what will these humans become once they sort themselves out? - the potential is mind boggling. We are an encapsulation of all things and I would believe that our psychic abilities have been held back on purpose because our growth would be at such a pace that we would lose ourselves and easily be a threat to other civilizations that have found and have managed their balance.


My purpose? How much progress have I made? ...I don't know, but I feel that I have not done enough.

I am there for whoever crosses my path. I am supportive and of course patient. I try to listen to my guides and act when inspired from them. Often, my posts will reflect this as things just come to me and it feels right to post what I am thinking or feeling. I am confident that things I say and do are impacting people or a single person, even just a tiny bit - maybe that is all they needed at that time.

I am an artist, a musician, an athlete, a coach, a parent, an employer.

When I was younger, the saying "Jack of all trades but master of none" bothered me. I felt that there were too many things to be done to focus on only one thing.

But now as "Jack of all trades" I am able to blend when necessary. To lead when necessary. I am able to support and/or to walk away if that is what I feel is needed.

...there is so much to learn and so many minutes and seconds that constantly provide a learning experience. There are about 20 things here on my desk. I can look at each item and see a lesson in all of them.

**The emergency broadcast system just told us all to stay at home. I am so ready to go outside. I guess that means that the broadcast is wrong and we should fight against it. :) ***

[Wind]

It's a power game with (2). They have no interest in love, unity, or individual sovereignty. They use their energies to dominate, subjugate and instil fear. They are all about control. Because they have abandoned their connection to God, they have to syphon energy from others to fuel their own tanks. Ultimately, they have no interest in a benevolent Godhead. This is the path they are on. Likely is it karmic. Perhaps they were victims of religious persecution in past lives. Perhaps they suffered, over and over again, at what they perceive as the whim of a wicked and vengeful God. For whatever reason, they turned their backs on the spiritual path to go it alone as service-to-self entities, hellbent in attaining the power to forge their own destinies - who needs a God when they can become as gods themselves? (think transhumanism on that one).

You hit the nail on the head here. This is the origin of evil, free will combined with arrogance. Evil is really only the lack of love and goodness and deviation from that original light, that which is God. God is truth, God is good and God is love. It doesn't matter what you call God... You can call It Brahman, Tao, Creator, Allah, The Universe, Satchitananda. People want to name that which can't be named. The forces of darkness or evil are up in their "superior" intellect and in arrogance think that they won't need God because they themselves can be the masters of the universe. Thus also enslaving others in the process, because control is the ultimate form of power to them. Yet God the Creator is not some tyrannical Lord who rules with an iron fist hidden in a velvet glove. God is the ultimate form of love and love never hurts and it definitely doesn't control.

I am not saying here that atheists would be bad people or anything like that because some atheists can be even better people than some so called "religious" or "spiritual" people. God exists no matter what you believe, but what truly defines human goodness is their actions. It is of course unfortunate that if you are unaware of certain truths then no matter how good-willed you might be then you can still be easily mislead and controlled.

Societies and especially the Western society are based around control. People think that they're free, but they're just willing slaves in the system which benefits the few at the expense of everyone else. Most people are just pawns or even sources of energetic food (loosh) for the parasites that be. The spiritual warfare between the forces of light and dark is true and the real battleground is the heart of man. The stage is Earth and many would just seem to be background actors in the cosmic play. Are the parasites in human form soulless beings? That I do not know, but they surely are demonic in their origin. They do not know love and profess to it.

[Sue (Ayt)]

As for me,(for me), good things are bad (for example to have a big and beautiful house and a "pink life") ...I am imbued with a kind of relatively stupid smile, I can not passively enjoy something that do not it really helps the spirit. Of course, between the sumptuous sofas and luminous butterflies from another world, I choose the inner discipline, but I am not a measure, I do not raise the natural to the rank of triumphant energy but to the rank of indulgence yes, I am only independent in the service of others.




The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

-Matthew 13:24-30

The three types, and some of our ponderings here brought this Tao Teh Ching verse to mind, with the illusions of the material world vs. the reality of the spiritual realm being the paradox that we are in various stages of realizing.
:flower:

Forty-one

The wise student hears of the Tao and practices it diligently.
The average student hears of the Tao and gives it thought now and again.
The foolish student hears of the Tao and laughs aloud.
If there were no laughter, the Tao would not be what it is.

Hence it is said:
The bright path seems dim;
Going forward seems like retreat;
The easy way seems hard;
The highest Virtue seems empty;
Great purity seems sullied;
A wealth of Virtue seems inadequate;
The strength of Virtue seems frail;
Real Virtue seems unreal;
The perfect square has no corners;
Great talents ripen late;
The highest notes are hard to hear;
The greatest form has no shape;
The Tao is hidden and without name.
The Tao alone nourishes and brings everything to fulfillment.

[kfm27917]

Interesting subject, Bill.
I was a 3 until I had an epiphany at age 28 and became a 1.
So that introduces the subject of timing.

[kfm27917]

Related to my post above

aging as spiritual practice
John Robinson's pictureSubmitted by John Robinson on Fri, 07/27/2012 - 16:44.
Tags: aging Enlightenment


I have come to believe - and experience - that aging is itself a spiritual practice. You progressively surrender so many ego beliefs and attachments (identity, roles, personal story, future) and this emptying of consciousness reveals the pure awareness that was alway present. I believe we have glimpses of non-dual consciousness all the time but ever more frequently as we age, if we simply pay attention. Aging seems to me to be a new developmental stage of spiritual growth, with new tasks, gifts and possibilities that transform us into elders and may help us change the destructive thought-world of humankind. Let me know if you are experiencing aging as enlightenment and how your world changes in this new awareness. Also please check out my work at http://johnrobinson.org

from https://www.gurusfeet.com/forum/aging-spiritual-practice
PS good site - lots of interesting stuff

see https://www.gurusfeet.com/sitemenu

[Hym]

I was born One.
I have watched the Twos selling Threes unicorns since...

[Journeyman]

I have come to believe - and experience - that aging is itself a spiritual practice. You progressively surrender so many ego beliefs and attachments (identity, roles, personal story, future) and this emptying of consciousness reveals the pure awareness that was alway present. I believe we have glimpses of non-dual consciousness all the time but ever more frequently as we age, if we simply pay attention. Aging seems to me to be a new developmental stage of spiritual growth, with new tasks, gifts and possibilities that transform us into elders and may help us change the destructive thought-world of humankind.

That's quite a profound observation.

[Hym]

I have come to believe - and experience - that aging is itself a spiritual practice. You progressively surrender so many ego beliefs and attachments (identity, roles, personal story, future) and this emptying of consciousness reveals the pure awareness that was alway present. I believe we have glimpses of non-dual consciousness all the time but ever more frequently as we age, if we simply pay attention. Aging seems to me to be a new developmental stage of spiritual growth, with new tasks, gifts and possibilities that transform us into elders and may help us change the destructive thought-world of humankind.

That's quite a profound observation.

Yes. Quite profound, indeed.

Thank YOU, John!

[Hym]

There's a saying I like to remind myself of, quite often...

"Those who serve others who serve...."

It's the reasoning behind touching the dust of the feet of those who truly serve others,
even if you have to surreptitiously, secretly, obtain said dust.

I call that dust, the Diamonds on the Soles of Their Shoes.
It doesn't look like anything but dirt to most observers,
Yet.....It sparkles.......

[Ernie Nemeth]

It must have to do with an aspect of our beings that is difficult to cognate while immersed in this reality, let alone decide on the distinctions made in the op.
But when enough data comes in and it is assimilated there sure does seem to be a far bigger picture than we are aware of in our everyday lives.
It seems to have to do with an agenda of questionable standards, on a plane of reality somewhat removed from this fully material and temporal realm.
It seems to have to do with many stars and many planets and maybe even other galaxies and intrigues spanning thousands of years.
The human race (races?) seem to have some sort of pivotal role in the culmination of those intrigues and their eventual overall outcome.
But what is the prize? What is so important that it brings so many here, now? What is at stake?

[Arak]

When did this all start here on Planet Earth?
What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.)
What are the possible outcomes?
Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play or be playing?
What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made right now, towards realizing your purpose?

Thank you, Bill, for your excellent topic. Without trying to take your credit, I must say that this could have been written by me (but with crappy English :o ), as the insight is pretty much 100 % how I feel the situation is. I must say "feel" as I have no solid evidence to back up this, only my intuition, online sources and a few readings obtained in the past years.

In short, I try to share my insights for the questions addressed in the first post before reading other answers. With this protocol, I try to keep my replies as genuine as possible. :)

When did this all start here on Planet Earth?
Although the biological life on Earth started to evolve billions of years ago, and even homo sapiens has been around a few hundreds of thousands of years, the Type 1 (service to others) have not been here that long in masses. If I needed to throw in some numbers, I would say maybe 20-30 thousand years ago we (Type 1) started to come in more numbers as before that #1 were mostly a few observers around, but that is a pure guess... And It might even be that Type 2 (service to self) came in bigger numbers before as they saw the opportunity to oppress Type 3. But in short, my intuition says this more conscious battle of STO and STS started most likely around 25 000 years ago.

What are the current trends?
This a tricky question: In 2011-2013, I was sure that Type 1 is about to win the battle, and the planet will be saved and heading fast for the golden age. But then something happened behind the scenes. I don't know what, but things started to head into the south pretty fast, and the years 2014-2020 were spiritually increasingly dark and evil. It is early to tell if the Covid-19 is a blessing or bane, as it does hold a lot of tools for both parties, but for me, the past year has given hope more than the previous 6 years combined. All this despite the economic insecurities, health problems, loss of friends and ****ty stuff in general. I think the ongoing battle with 1 and 2 is not fixed to a calendar, but maybe this decade will be important to see if this planet turns to Heaven or Hell. Time will tell...

What are the possible outcomes?
As mentioned earlier, we are at the crossroads of turning Earth into Heaven or Hell. The tricky thing is, of course, that Heaven and Hell are very subjective experiences: What I consider Heaven might be Hell for someone else. Let's take consumption, for example; science proves that we need to cut down our consumption globally. That means most likely a lot more taxes, higher prices, whilst the new industrial revolution is making many jobs obsolete with increasing pace. For many, also for me, this might not seem like a good trend. But if we look at the ecosystem, that is what is required to prevent this planet from suffering even more. This said, I hope we could realize that it is more about the quality than quantity, but as there are just way too few Type 1 people, I fear that it is the Hell we are heading to without very strong ET intervention.

Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play or be playing?
In general, Type 1 is too outnumbered, and even if there would be more Type 1 than Type 2, Type 2 plays dirty, and I fear that it is a more effective strategy when manipulating Type 3 when there is no strong connection to The Source (God, Gaia or name it how you like). This is why I believe that the game is lost without the intervention of some Galactic Confederation. For planet Earth to be some kind of Universal battleground or end-game, I don't believe in. The Universe is just way too huge for that. But that doesn't mean that we are not an important part of the whole. Just like a single hill can be important to hold in a war, so can be Earth important to be prosperous. And that is why some local ET groups are interested in us and might try to advance the agendas of #1 or #2 depending on their position of what is Heaven or Hell. And indeed, I feel that there are "good", "evil", and even "neutral" ET/UT species around here. I don't know for sure why they are not operating in plain sight (the fairytale about free will they are granting for us is only a nice dream, there is no such as anyone who has studied even a bit of neurology knows), but it can be that there are some rules they are committed or obligated to serve. Time will tell if this about to change as there for sure is "soft disclosure" going on, but how long it takes is something I have no idea about (personally been waiting for it to happen since the '90s, and I guess there are people here who have been waiting for it since 70s' or even longer).

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made right now towards realizing your purpose?

I feel I came here to serve the light and love. I know this sounds yucky (and wacko) new age bull**** for some, but this is how I feel. I personally don't know if this is my first incarnation or not; a seer recommended here by Bill told me that I have been on this planet for a long, long time, but I feel that I just don't understand this planet at all, which makes it hard to believe that I would have been here for a long time.

Despite the difficulties I pose to understand humans, I do have some skills that I am able to use to make this planet a bit better place. I have consciously chosen a very hard road to walk as I operate in a world of business at least for the time being. There are good people also in there, but most are Type 3 and totally unaware of any spiritual wars waging. If there are conscious Type 2 people, they are not in my operational status area (as I think those puppet masters are already in way past the daily operational level of businesses). So quite often, the best I can do is to try to let my actions be an example and hope that it has some effect on people.

[Agape]

I’ve just come upon this distant and isolated inner reflection on past that could fit into human perspective and that’s a realization of the fact that humans did not always walked on the Earth, they are here for brief time compared to the history of the Planet and it’s various and curious life forms.

Human awareness of today have been quantified and accelerated exponentially during last only several thousand years of recorded history, boiling down to 100 years of speedy technical revolution.
We all have been witness and participant to this intense acceleration process in our very life times, our intelligence and emotions were tested and deployed in order to build more advanced civilization on all and many levels.

We have done our best at least sometimes just because we knew that the Time is important even though we don’t have answers to all the questions in the Universe ..because it’s so huge ..😄

even then and now I’m coming down to the point, even this simple reflection on humans being here temporarily ..in the long course of the Earth inhabited in many dimensions by many other intelligent AND evolving life forms on various levels of adaptation process.


Of the 3 kinds of people Bill has named groups 2&3 , people programmably confused about their existence and role in the Universe, people brought up by fascist governments all over the world grooming 2 and programming 3 the rest,

holding billions of people in mental prison of ignorance, pride, self-cherishing ego attitudes towards others, these people think it’s “all about them” ,
they forget to see themselves in the bigger frame of Life where we all belong.


So good for group 1 who are generally peaceful people who are here to understand more, learn more and mostly just want to live and let live, liberate the Spirits from nets of society and traps of systems denying individual right to sovereignty and freedom, these people that’s us rarely if ever cause any harms.


With tongue in cheek one has to ask, “are we also going to be subdued and vanish without traits” like so many peaceful civilizations before,
the Etruscans, the Mayans, the Incas, Native Americans, Tibetans, the Adivasis, Maori people of New Zealand and so forth ..” as all of our live history has vanished ,
I worn you 😅 it has inevitably always vanished.

No matter the culture or the Empire, the language, the accent, the manner and the gait.

The Egyptian gait and goat and Arabian poetry so timeless embracing Persian poetry , who cares ‘bout barbarians.

It happens regardless and the process never stops. Everything transforms so do humans. There is so little in the known sciences of today concerning the possibilities of human evolution .


But now consider the bulk option - it ALL that is us ( some claiming to be the rules of the planet and the larger Solar system already ) it too will be gone one day.

It’s not a point to argue about it’s a fact.


What and why will happen in between may be our choice but consider the time is limited. It may keep accelerating for “a while” before this civilization flies off handle.


Caveat: my inner historical reflection of human kind is practically useless 😀 Yet. It represents the 0 on the other side of the great equation and while we have got into solving all kinds of exponential equations and functions with mere 0 on one side they are important to our understanding of the bigger process as well.

🐳

[Journeyman]

I think the world is structured by category 2 to keep as many in category 3 as possible and derail the efforts of category 1.

I had a brief glimpse I believe of a spiritual side to life, literally just a fleeting momentary insight on a couple of occasions which on one at least I think was a 'push' to go in a certain direction and then a fog descended. I lived a long time under this malaise, with a variety of autoimmune conditions which I finally discovered, after much needless harmful medication, had a physical root in food intolerances. When I addressed these I had a brief glimpse of how life could be outside it (how wonderful it must be for some folk) before the shutters fell down again in 2013, but in a very different way:



This a tricky question: In 2011-2013, I was sure that Type 1 is about to win the battle, and the planet will be saved and heading fast for the golden age. But then something happened behind the scenes. I don't know what, but things started to head into the south pretty fast, and the years 2014-2020 were spiritually increasingly dark and evil. .

I felt something change in 2013, this will sound odd, but it felt like I died? It wasn't the same as the earlier brain fog, but my old life and persona seemed to crumble into meaninglessness. I lost a lot of connection with the world. It's one reason why when I read some of the speculation about CERN and what's going on there that I think back to how I feel and wonder if they made some pivotal change in our reality? No way that I can check that, but I think on it often...

As far as awareness of the world around us. I went a certain way down the rabbit hole in the nineties. Enough to be scared and to conclude that the surface story didn't really hold true, but I stopped digging at that point and embraced the cosy world of secular humanist rationalism. It's a very easy position to hold, you just demand proofs and hold to materialism. I found that increasingly insufficient over the last few years and began looking again at some of the things I'd purposely put aside, which led me finally to acknowledge what I'd previously known on a sub conscious level. Cutting out a lot of mainstream media programming helped immensely in that regard, as did sites like Avalon. Sadly I've not really had any more of those 'pushes' from outside, which has made me wonder whether that chance has passed for me. I hope not.

I think there will be many more like me in category 3. Kept under by the crap that's in our food, water and air and most of all by the corrosive disinformation that's in the airwaves, newsprint and online. At the moment one would have to say category 2 are winning 'bigly' but I hope that's not always going to be the case. If they do wind up having the Earth to themselves then I can't think of a worse fate than being forced to with live looking at each other for their transhuman eternity, so maybe the victory they taste will be its own reward.

[pueblo]

But what is the prize? What is so important that it brings so many here, now? What is at stake?

IMHO..

What is the prize? Freedom for the true children of the Divine Father/Mother.
What is so important that it brings so many here now? The upcoming harvest.
What is at stake? A return to the Divine Father/Mother or a purging on the fire.

[Arak]

I felt something change in 2013, this will sound odd, but it felt like I died? It wasn't the same as the earlier brain fog, but my old life and persona seemed to crumble into meaninglessness. I lost a lot of connection with the world. It's one reason why when I read some of the speculation about CERN and what's going on there that I think back to how I feel and wonder if they made some pivotal change in our reality? No way that I can check that, but I think on it often...

I (and my wife) do share a somewhat similar experience, although I would say it was not as drastic and happened around 2014-2015. We felt like the connection in God would have been silenced in some way. For me, not totally, but my wife felt it more strongly. We also started to be lured more by material and money. Which we quite soon (around 2018) found out not to be good for us. Now we are steering our lives back again for a more spiritual lifestyle but some damages done are slow to be repaired. But we do have started to feel the connection more strongly during the past few months.

[Mypos]

I believe this is a half truth/half bullcrap to be honest. (not ment in a disrespectful way) Everybody has the magical and spiritual abilities in them. But it takes some sort of awakening for people to see this. So people from group 3 can switch over to group 1 in an instant. Same goes for people from group 2 to switch over to group 1. And you see this happening alot last year. There is a huge awakening going on on planet Earth. Because the frequency is rising. This is also why the people from group 2 are so clearly in the open with there control measures at the moment. They know they are losing power and are trying everything to get it back and speed up the process of getting total control.

[Richter]

Yes there are 3 different kinds of people on Planet Earth.
People who can count and those who can't... ;)

[Mashika]

I think the world is structured by category 2 to keep as many in category 3 as possible and derail the efforts of category 1.

Yeah i think so too



I think there will be many more like me in category 3.

Not a chance you are on group 3 :) But let me explain why here

See this:
https://reason.com/2021/04/07/microaggressions-uva-student-kieran-bhattacharya-threat/


On November 26, this suggestion became a mandate: The student was informed that he must be evaluated by psychological services before returning to classes. Bhattacharya repeatedly asked university officials to clarify what exactly he was accused of, under whose authority his counseling had been mandated, and why his enrollment status was suddenly in doubt, according to the lawsuit. These queries only appear to have made UVA officials more determined to punish him: Bhattacharya's mounting frustration with these baseless accusations of unspecified wrongdoings was essentially treated as evidence that he was guilty. At his hearing, he was accused of being "extremely defensive" and ordered to change his "aggressive, threatening behavior."

He was ultimately suspended for "aggressive and inappropriate interactions in multiple situations." On December 30, UVA police ordered him to leave campus.


This guy was expelled from school because he dared to ask about if "micro aggressions" were only valid when the target was a minority. Then after months and increase frustration on his side due to the mediocrity of the school teachers and management, the school decided he was "unstable" because he wasn't a dumb sheep that could not think for himself, so they decided the best thing to do was to expel him and get rid of the problem, they were unable to figure out their own mediocrity and lack of will to learn and improve.

Those people are in group number 3, as noted:


And the more able members of #3 may be highly educated and have a high intellect, but still be (e.g.) scientists, journalists or educators with astonishingly little true awareness.


So very highly unlikely that you are on group 3 or could even belong, since those people are not even aware of their own crap, but you are here, and can see the stuff happening

I think what happened to that guy and how the school staff behaved is a clear example of people in group 1 and group 3 :)

[Mashika]

It must have to do with an aspect of our beings that is difficult to cognate while immersed in this reality, let alone decide on the distinctions made in the op.
But when enough data comes in and it is assimilated there sure does seem to be a far bigger picture than we are aware of in our everyday lives.
It seems to have to do with an agenda of questionable standards, on a plane of reality somewhat removed from this fully material and temporal realm.
It seems to have to do with many stars and many planets and maybe even other galaxies and intrigues spanning thousands of years.
The human race (races?) seem to have some sort of pivotal role in the culmination of those intrigues and their eventual overall outcome.
But what is the prize? What is so important that it brings so many here, now? What is at stake?

Could be the other way around, that so many gathered here that it caused the issue to occur?

What if the entire universe is conformed of the 3 categories, and if you have too many individuals on a same place, eventually they group together and the 3 groups form again, then we reach a point were it becomes what we have here right now? Then some move away or the process starts again somewhere else, slowly until it reaches a point where there are too many individuals and the 3 groups form and they reach our current situation.. then some move away or the process starts again somewhere...

[Mashika]

Dolores Cannon talked about the background actors too


Maybe we are all background actors on other timelines but this one.

Don't know, she called them 'backdrop people' i think. But the concept was that they are not aware, and if you can see they are 'background actors' it means they can't see you are something else than them, so just by being able to 'see' them one could suppose things

But maybe it's part of being a 'backdrop person' that you think you have seen something and the 'real' people can see that you think you can see, and hilarity ensues when they 'see' us 'thinking' backwards in very funny ways

[Anka]

Between the good tradition and the bad habit of being human, the oldest dilemma among others is the term "soul", a kind of first act and "host" of our activities.
This modern report of complex incantation and well-known tradition: "Whenever a plague appears in the city, the doors close" seems to be an emblem that gathers the rest of our needs in a corner.

A simple dialogue about the "disorders of the contemporary world" can very quickly become called "exaggerated." In vain we know the mechanisms and behaviors, including in social generalization, and from this point, to look "at the globe" and see what can happen in the future with great precision, is a big difference for just one being to "say". In the "built" society and for a future full of "evolution" the studies are done on samples of subjects, it is a soul-clinical experiment in almost everything we achieve as "performance in technology" (only as one example out of many), we are the ones who validate this "treatment".

In time, each nation tried to identify certain socio-cultural aspects on its own, and often the traditions grew with added components, until slowly, sometimes the deep meaning was actually forgotten. I believe that culture through historical tradition, folklore originally strictly for the benefit of the community, at some point, somewhere, "in the past", was generated by a single individual, not a group, and this spark (the good one) deserves to be brought to rank of simple culture and education for the benefit of the people (this has also been said, in some places it has been done).

If we sometimes, we think in the variant. "everything that is rational is real, everything that is real is rational", then the approach could be presumptive between the thesis (the spiritual approach and the actions of the individual), the antithesis (a wider heart, a reason of an entire people and nation) and the synthesis (apart from what we call subjective) a kind of "global soul".

Many times some of us are stuck in freezing self-stereotypes that seem quite important and it is often very difficult to distinguish between "how we are", "how we think we are", and "how we would like to be". Between all the statistics and the average variability of all the data about people and the planet, it is natural to feel tired, when everything is a test on the run, we completely forget where we are all "together" and in which area, more specifically ...

Besides, the enormous distance between our dowry cradle and an updated software, we have to get out of the "frame of reference" and give up being "a standard".

Maybe "our" psycho-cultural attributes (mine start with common sense, always saying that an ounce of common sense makes a difference), help us and are congruent to "this" space of "genealogy of a human people race" served genetically, transmitted gene-rationally , raised from the Origin.

I know that it is not easy to step from the space occupied by us and called by others empirically as a "study profile", while we are a phenomenological exploration even for ourselves personally,
but I "managed" in such a "glorious" society as this, to make a "cold" transition from a job "fair as a career success" to planting onion bulbs in my garden for survival, and making flowers to pay my small bills and my little strictly necessary.
I did not seek happiness, but I found comfort instead.

The truth, as a story about the "modern young man" is redundant, and tiring but crucially important as a "spiritual-medical certificate" for the future, even if many believe they have a healed heart.

A friend asked me today, "Why me, out of 7.8 billion of us?" And I was left for two minutes with a blank "because ..."

If we are 7.8 billion beings and one of us is lost, the question is "which of us" will go to look for the lost one?
And if we happen to find it, do we have a greater joy in finding it than the joy of having a whole globe of beings?
It should not be the "will" of any of us, that one of us, all of us ("fragile little ones"), can get lost.

About the many, about those of us all unknown, living in an immediate paradox and a perpetual contradiction, living in our "little"; somewhere between taking the tram to work or hunting deer for survival, we all know that the world cannot survive without a sole of good.

This "amnesia" between the corrupt Citadels must cease, and this "splendid negotiation": how many to "escape" and how many to "stay" as well.

I am raised from the seed of goodwill and my own conviction that no matter how little good, it can redeem a great deal of evil, that is, the core of human seafaring, it sits in our center, somewhere, where even the smallest flame of purity of soul flickers inside us.

Possible answers that "can"...:

- We have a proverb "people are old since the world and the earth" that I understand: That we have a "living Super=organism" as the home planet, and we have not been able to help him so far, helping us. Earth is NOT a suicidal planet, but a symbol of perpetual life with which we interact.
Here, on the planet earth, earth and water, one view in the world, a weight full of life, wave knew of the future ships, the air had light, the heat would find fire, and we in our anonymity brought "here" enmity - our first contribution...

- Current trends are the "problem of evil" in the mirror of "good", I'm not kidding, but I'm not serious, it's a kind of explosive contamination that "You can't talk without hurting yourself badly" (and I know this what attracts here).

The theorem is simple: evil exists. And this for me contradicts two "rich" alternatives of the Divinity (transcribed theoretically): "His goodness and His omnipotence", but the "problem" should not be treated too acutely, in the sphere of our society sometimes, evil seems to be just an "accident" - (it happens) and there are several types of "bad": _ an error that we pay on the spot or one that we often call bad luck and pay in time and this has become quite "natural" in an order of "supra = non-natural" order's concepts in which it seems that the solutions are looking for tension and not the other way around.

- The first solution, apparently it seems a wrong aesthetic run between "evil is fragmentary" and "good is the whole" and both together are harmoniously absorbed; it's like saying "She has two beautiful apples, and He has the basket, how long will it take until they get married?", without any ignorance, I think it's about patience (not passivity) but patience = in fact a correlative demanding virtue of existence (even if we are so small in this episodic temporal chapter and tiny universal fragment), or as they say "All evil goes for good" (as a shrug that characterizes the whole History) , we still have courage.
When "people" hold the whole world (as they say), and are accustomed to borrow the tendency of an inappropriate ensemble, in the promise of a better future, forget that they can look at the picture as a whole (ie even if the frame is beautiful, the aesthetic content's -it might bother), why accept something that does not give us full pleasure? Why suffer through the question "How much harm can we accept now, so that we can enjoy a fully compensatory future?"..."later"...
quite presumably, the owner of our own approaches.

Didactically it is said that "evil is good because it disciplines" suffering ennobles and builds our character, and yet we have not reached a conclusion over time so far, on the contrary.

A too classic solution is already free will, too hot these days to have the possibility to choose, even if by the "definition of a living being", in the line of "notes" of creation, freedom is one, that's why some of us pay the freedom of this option through the risk of making the wrong choice.
And yet of all the theories of free will and its influences in the possible future, we cannot have "infinite freedom" in a finite being, speaking here of "total freedoms and ... human rights" (something totally abstract to any order).

One of the possibilities for the future is a "dictatorship of money in its most offensive and deadly form for the population", so that people can return to earth and its natural wealth, for real living.
While the media raises and lowers those mediocre ones in the mud, and the internet cannot serve "our cause" in this painful emulation and differentiation between people, it is for people to communicate with love and supreme intuition among themselves, with determination of justice and fierce protection for each other.
Perhaps, however, there is a "latent decision" in the bosom of mankind that says, "Yes. We must all enter into the conflagration of the supreme struggle, to preserve the soul of human civilization."

- I believe, strongly and convincingly, that there are "foreign" civilizations that look at us. Simpler than that I can't say "Please don't do that, people are watching!". Moreover, to me, an insignificant person without the majority, I am really ashamed for this so-called "agenda" of some "carolers" with premature actions from the humble position of man's (without tools); they all want to serve the "apple" and rush to the action of common discernment "good-bad", when in fact, this does not belong to them, they are the bait.

There are benevolent beings, even in these times when fear is the most shameless form of imposing history and the degree of alteration will certainly be adjusted, if the frightened will not cooperate with fear to further frighten others and more ...much more than they already are, and if the "forgetful" will not forget not to forget that they are real sources of light, hope, joy, love, and especially Life.


- My mission is to be indissoluble in nature necessary to be what I am;

[Journeyman]

I felt something change in 2013, this will sound odd, but it felt like I died? It wasn't the same as the earlier brain fog, but my old life and persona seemed to crumble into meaninglessness. I lost a lot of connection with the world. It's one reason why when I read some of the speculation about CERN and what's going on there that I think back to how I feel and wonder if they made some pivotal change in our reality? No way that I can check that, but I think on it often...

I (and my wife) do share a somewhat similar experience, although I would say it was not as drastic and happened around 2014-2015. We felt like the connection in God would have been silenced in some way. For me, not totally, but my wife felt it more strongly. We also started to be lured more by material and money. Which we quite soon (around 2018) found out not to be good for us. Now we are steering our lives back again for a more spiritual lifestyle but some damages done are slow to be repaired. But we do have started to feel the connection more strongly during the past few months.

I should say that 'feeling like I died' sounds melodramatic and perhaps I could phrase it better! I don't wander round thinking I'm dead, but I did seem to experience some kind of radical disconnection with the past 'me'. So a lot of this was likely an internal response to changes in my own lifestyle/body. Then there's the subtler, external change which I think happened but is hard to 'pin down'. I kind of mix up the changes in the sun and the weather, the mandela effects, some of which strongly resonate with me and my own gradual re-awakening into one big, myterious whole.

It's interesting to go on the chan boards, which are no holds barred, and see people openly floating the idea that our position within the milky way has altered, or that the timeline has been reset and no longer discounting these things by reflex. The 'me' of a few years ago wouldn't have entertained any of these ideas for more than a millisecond, so how much of this change was within myself and how much I'm just one more being impacted by the broader winds of change is very difficult to work out! :)

[araucaria]

The description of how things are as supplied in the opening post are towards the esoteric end of the spectrum, falling short however of the channelled Ra material, which uses concepts of densities, service to self/others and choice to explain the same general idea. The trouble with esoterism is that is easily dismissed out of hand as secret information for a select few with little or no relevance to the everyday life of the person in the street. The problem is removed seemingly as far as possible in space and time, to the Moon, to Saturn, to the Pleaides, Orion, to other dimensions, and thousands of years back into prehistory, millions of years into galactic and cosmic history. So let me attempt the opposite, exoteric approach by describing in similar terms an all too common 21st century human situation. If you have no firsthand experience, then people who do will likely tell you it is one of the more plausible stories one gets to read in the newspapers.

This endless cosmic battle is typically what you find in that scourge of modern society, the acrimonious divorce and custody battle where the ex-husband, in unqualified terminology, has sociopathic tendencies. (Note: I am deliberately using gender and sexual preference stereotypes: make your own political corrections as you wish.) Straightaway, you have your three groups, the isolated mother doing her level best, the negative-oriented male, and the immature children with no choice to make, at least not yet. Being of this type, the male will be quite gifted in terms of controlling people: attractiveness to women, and in the workplace effective salesmanship (telling customers what to buy) or managerial skills (telling subordinates what to do), and commanding a decent salary in the process. However the downside is that these things are not made to last and soon become toxic, hence the divorce, possibly multiple relationships, and the inability to hold down a job. Career moves become more and more difficult as time goes by, particularly when working in a profession where everyone knows everyone else.

Meanwhile, what happens with the part-time children? Typically, the male will be the one with the money, although exactly how much will be kept as quiet as possible. It is easy for him to control the children with a few treats and a less strict education than they get from their mother. What exactly goes on at their father’s place will also be kept as quiet as possible, with little or nothing reaching their mother’s ears. Bribery, in a word. Nothing much in fact reaches anyone’s ears, because a man like this will have cut off relations with almost everyone, except those few who understand. Family members will be taken out of the circle on the slightest of pretexts – generally the guy’s own doing, because he is unable to control the narrative: his fantasy fare riddled with lies simply won’t wash. The beneficiaries of his cold shoulder might feel all the happier for it, if it weren’t for the poor kids. No need for all the cosmic drama – you have a conspiracy of silence right there. No one will know what other nefarious goings-on if any are taking place behind closed doors, but the conditions are right for such, and in any case, from this omniscient standpoint I am taking, there is already a case for child abuse. Often, nothing will happen until the children are old enough to walk away, and maybe decades later come out of the closet, once the feelings of guilt are overcome by feelings of responsibility towards other victims.

The alternative is when the veil of secrecy is torn; maybe the man will rely overly on his brother or sister, or a small child will say something to the brother or sister’s small child, and it will get back to the mother. This is where things get potentially nasty and even violent. When social services and possibly even the police become involved, then the controlling behaviour has to stop, and uncontrolled behaviour may ensue. With nowhere to go, such a person will get desperate. Once the secrecy is broken, the issue becomes the purely practical and almost insoluble one of rendering them harmless as they hide behind their children, who are like hostages suffering from Stockholm syndrome. When there is nowhere to go and nothing to lose, nihilism is the only remaining option: to go down taking everything with you.

The cosmic angle on all this suggests that even at the highest level and the broadest scale, there are entities of this kind with nowhere to go and nothing to lose. Not even confining them to a prison planet in some remote corner of the galaxy seems to work because of what goes on there. The entire cosmos might feel happier that they are no longer active in their neck of the woods, if it weren’t for the poor kids – the innocent souls drawn into the trap. What is beginning to happen on this Earth plane today is concrete action being taken on a case-by-case basis to protect all the victims, both the children and the womenfolk, but also the employers and fellow employees, against these predators. What is happening at a higher level on this Earth plane is the building of public awareness and legislation to clean things up in what could be the final bastion (or maybe not) that makes existence intolerable even for those not directly concerned.

It makes sense to think all of this has been planned ‘upstairs’, but that the nuts-and-bolts job is down here. My issue with the opening post would be with the danger of pigeon-holing people into one category or the other. If we are talking about cosmic warfare where only one group is interested in violence, then it has to be expected that much of the struggle will be taking place in altogether subtler areas of deception and/or induced self-deception. Hence the danger of identifying any particular individual with one group or the other: in all likelihood the situation is going to be more complex than that, just as the remedy of killing an enemy in war is far too simplistic, even when you can identify him properly.

The problem is not simply eliminating a perpetrator without harming a hostage. The perpetrator IS a hostage. We all know that perpetrators themselves are usually former victims caught in a vicious circle; so we need to separate the soul from the evil possessing it. Over the years, I have referred many times to the idea of the rabid dog: how to eliminate the rabies without shooting the dog. You can do a search or check out this one post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74722-Money-the-taproot-of-all-evil-or-fossil-virus&p=874229&viewfull=1#post874229).
This was posted in 2014, long before a virus caused the current pandemic. A virus is one of those vanishingly small things (starting at just 20 nm) which are close to the boundary between the material and the immaterial world. Not so close of course as atoms: negative entities tinkering with atoms, as we know, nearly led more than once to a nuclear holocaust; perhaps a virus is the next worst thing. I have no idea how, and if I did I probably wouldn’t be saying, but some good may just come of their tinkering with this crown-shaped virus (https://www.britannica.com/science/coronavirus-virus-group) in connection with the human genome, including in the very ways that have whistle-blowers clamouring that it will mean the end of humanity as we know it.
After all, isn’t the end of humanity ‘as we know it’ in one sense exactly what is needed? The phrase is entirely ambiguous, depending on what is removed and what is gained. Certainly, in the physical terms of the human experience here and now, this strikes me as being precisely the area where humanity is hurting and something can and needs to be done. It doesn’t have to involve massive depopulation; but maybe it will. I hate to say it, but maybe the stakes are so high that such an outcome would be worth the sacrifice. Having this worm’s-eye view, we will the last to find out what is really going on.

[Agape]

From deeper perspective , G2 ( group two) is all about survival of the fittest. It originated from many ancient warrior clans. It’s a genomic “power bank” of mankind reaching g certain potential before it naturally starts to degenerate.

Without social “netting” and enforcement of egalitarian laws by trick or trade, most human societies would have been probably taken and ruled by physically and mentally apt warlords who would install and run their individual religions and enjoy constant fight with rival states.
Domination and abuse of “weak gender groups” would be a norm.
Almost everything dependable could depend on judgement of a leader.
Thus systems still do exist of course in strongly patriarchal states such as some Arab states or ultra-orthodox religious states all over the world.

Without social modeling Japan would still be run by shoguns.

Trumpism and the Star Wars industry is but another, advanced form of the same.


Group 2 represents the warriors and survival of the fittest. No matter how large it seems there are but few “fittest” compared to the majority of limping, well fad and clad and painted army of mannequins in robes of any kind.

Group 3 is actually still the largest, struggling in grass roots, trying to make it and compete against G2 .


No matter where you the reader place yourself, in case of larger planetary movements and catastrophes we all have about equal chance.
It’s important to take an inspiration from the strong and powerful moments in your life and remember that at times of emergency we are capable of miracles and exceed our usual bus running speed and perform high jumps we never dreamt of.

There may be times in human history and individual history likewise when we know we have to take leap to more advanced future, no matter what it takes.

It may also only mean rejecting what harms you and the life the most , embracing peaceful transition, giving away to life and avoiding death.

No matter how much stress out there is shaking the soul out of me, eventually don’t forget that the peaceful, benevolent intelligence of G1 also have a power.

Even though G1 has been infiltrated by many warlords and muggies with dirty objectives and manners and is the most endangered group of every society,
often simply crucified for speaking the truth and silenced by force of weapons and life threats,

it does exist.

For the G sake of humanity
I believe in you...



🙏😢🙏

[Denise/Dizi]

Great thread Bill... The depth to which you ponder humanity sometimes both astonishes me, and thrills me..

I believe that there are many more "Types" of people here, but the 3 dominent that you describe tend to be the obvious... I believe we all come in here, mostly blank slated, and are molded by our surroundings. Those which mold us into what we believe, what we feel is the proper way to live in this world, yet I do honestly believe that there are those that start their lives with a little more.. When some children can face incredible hardships, and not blame those around them, but carry those burdens as if they knew someone else could not handle them nearly as well, those that crumble at any hardship, who feel as if they're victims, etc.

And with those things comes the need to feel they have to hold onto whatever they can, gain more for the feeling of some comfort in life, etc. But I do believe that truly, there are very few that can self reflect. to self judge, self admonish, self grow.

Then there are those that wish to be helpful, to work together, yet they lack the ability to recognize when those efforts are perpetuating the divide between the have's and the have not's.

I believe it is because we are growing that divides happen.. So in many senses, this could be considered a good thing. Those keeping life functioning while the good vs. evil machine battles on... Those stuck in the middle, or "Muggles" hoping that while they keep things going, the good side gains the advantage, as they can't see their own part in the whole picture.

I tend to believe we create what we live. And I mean this from the basic stepping stones of life to our own enslavement. Whether by accident, as we missed something happening, or we thought it would work itself out. For example... Laws and regulations do not come into play until they are first thought about, then discussed, then put into place. And I also believe it isn't the few who decide these things, it is the many who choose to do nothing when these things are decided. So the Muggles do need to wake up.. With every win on the good side, they will feel more empowered to do more to help themselves.

As for the questions? They are good one's and I certainly am asking them too, so to read replies to these, is very interesting... I certainly do not have the answers, nor would I be so bold as to suggest I do so openly... But talking about them, well that is very interesting and engaging... I will have to ponder those more, and of course, I won't be able to answer them, just add to those questions with my own...

(What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?)

I believe I came here for experience.. observation.. to learn about the unique challenges living on Earth creates for all species. I believe we all do.. What we do with that after we live this life, is not to be determined until we make our own paths, as we venture down the road to the end of the path.

I believe many are invited back to help the planet, many leave, to take their knowledge elsewhere, and possibly put it to good use there, while others stay, and keep the machine running. I do not know if I agree that Earth is a difficult place to live. We have pretty much learned to tame nature..Most of the hardships we face are in many ways self induced. We worry about personality conflicts, petty nonsense in many ways.. And I believe there will be no "Great awakening" until such time as everyone on the planet is able to eat, drink, and be housed in a safe and comfortable way.. We are far from graduation yet, but with each generation, I do believe there are those chosen to return in some way, to help with making sure we reach this goal. And many of them, somehow, find Avalon..

I am still determining my purpose... daily... always hoping for something better and striving for that... It is really all I can ask of myself, to be aware I want to be a better person, to help better the lives of others with simple gestures, and keep that going.. It seems like a small task, but if we all took on that responsibility, imagine the outcome?

[Mashika]

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?


I have been thinking about this for some time now, i don't yet have full answers to other questions but this one i do think i understand my purpose

I believe i came here to suffer and learn something out of it

The reason is this, ever since i can remember, my life has always been a lot of happiness, always to end up in tragic suffering and having to see my world swept away from my feet in bad an sad ways. It's like a constant turn of events that always made me unhappy, caused lots of angst and anger, and made me a crazy monster always on the defensive and full alert to any possible danger, as a rabid animal

I could not trust anyone, i could not get attached to anyone, i could not love or even say "i love you", the words would choke me when trying to say them

Then over the years and tons and tons of letdowns and learning to be with myself only and finding things that would make me happy without needing someone else to provide that happiness, i think finally started learning something, that pain/suffering was not something to be terrible afraid off, and that it could be managed and absorbed and dissolved without allowing it to cause harm anymore

So i feel like i can take anything coming my way, and diffuse it without any consequences, i'm not afraid of anything anymore, and i can go full extent in trying anything in life, accepting anything that comes forward full head on, and support other people when they are weak, because the things that affects them badly, for me are meaningless and i can take them down easily

So i think my purpose here was: First, to learn to handle the suffering until it did not meant anything anymore. And second, to be able to use this understanding that all things cause suffering and that you can just step over it and keep going, without stopping your life or allowing it to take control

If karma and reincarnation exists, as in the concept of being reborn on another body, but with same soul, i must have been one hell of a demon being way back lol, because i have paid so much in this one iteration

But here's one thing

Suffering, it seems, has to be lived through, not avoided at all. The more a person suffers, the more they are advancing, because when they are 'new' or unaware, they don't even realize what really goes on, the more they become aware the more suffering there will be, but the more they understanding it and if they reach the point of seeing total suffering as it is in true nature, but are able to not allow it to harm them, then i think the person is getting close to 'Nirvana'

So now, when something bad happens, i don't suffer anymore, i just look at it and think "ok, this is all kinds of messed up, how to fix it? Should i even try?" and move on from there. I don't feel anything terrible or fear or anything related, i just see it happening and know all things can be changed and fixed, so that's what i do :)

-

Masha

[Mike]

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?


I have been thinking about this for some time now, i don't yet have full answers to other questions but this one i do think i understand my purpose

I believe i came here to suffer and learn something out of it

The reason is this, ever since i can remember, my life has always been a lot of happiness, always to end up in tragic suffering and having to see my world swept away from my feet in bad an sad ways. It's like a constant turn of events that always made me unhappy, caused lots of angst and anger, and made me a crazy monster always on the defensive and full alert to any possible danger, as a rabid animal

I could not trust anyone, i could not get attached to anyone, i could not love or even say "i love you", the words would choke me when trying to say them

Then over the years and tons and tons of letdowns and learning to be with myself only and finding things that would make me happy without needing someone else to provide that happiness, i think finally started learning something, that pain/suffering was not something to be terrible afraid off, and that it could be managed and absorbed and dissolved without allowing it to cause harm anymore

So i feel like i can take anything coming my way, and diffuse it without any consequences, i'm not afraid of anything anymore, and i can go full extent in trying anything in life, accepting anything that comes forward full head on, and support other people when they are weak, because the things that affects them badly, for me are meaningless and i can take them down easily

So i think my purpose here was: First, to learn to handle the suffering until it did not meant anything anymore. And second, to be able to use this understanding that all things cause suffering and that you can just step over it and keep going, without stopping your life or allowing it to take control

If karma and reincarnation exists, as in the concept of being reborn on another body, but with same soul, i must have been one hell of a demon being way back lol, because i have paid so much in this one iteration

But here's one thing

Suffering, it seems, has to be lived through, not avoided at all. The more a person suffers, the more they are advancing, because when they are 'new' or unaware, they don't even realize what really goes on, the more they become aware the more suffering there will be, but the more they understanding it and if they reach the point of seeing total suffering as it is in true nature, but are able to not allow it to harm them, then i think the person is getting close to 'Nirvana'

So now, when something bad happens, i don't suffer anymore, i just look at it and think "ok, this is all kinds of messed up, how to fix it? Should i even try?" and move on from there. I don't feel anything terrible or fear or anything related, i just see it happening and know all things can be changed and fixed, so that's what i do :)

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Masha




I read Dr.Victor Frankyl's classic book recently - "Man's Search For Meaning" - and having been to hell and back in the Nazi concentration camps he developed a few poignant ideas along the way. He used those ideas to create 'Logos Therapy', which is a unique form of therapy based on finding meaning in one's life and focusing mostly on that (opposed to rehashing childhood events etc, like you might with a traditional psychotherapist).

He concluded that meaning could be found in 4 ways (if my memory serves me)

1) thru personal responsibility
2) thru loving another person
3) thru engaging a goal, or a passion project
4) thru suffering.

Like you, I'm a #4. I think the point of a #4 is to find a way to use that suffering to somehow help others ease theirs. When looked upon like that, I find it easier to endure. I have to believe it's for a higher purpose, and when I do it helps get me thru the day.

The suffering has made me:
1) very patient
2) a pretty good listener
3) compassionate towards other's who are suffering
4) develop a sense of humor
5) creative

In that way the suffering has been a good education. I doubt that, me being me, I could have gotten that education in any other way. So to answer Bill's question, yes, I think I do know why I'm here, and that's to use the gifts suffering has brought me to help others. And as far as my progress in those areas, I think I'm doing much better these past few years.

[Arak]

In that way the suffering has been a good education. I doubt that, me being me, I could have gotten that education in any other way. So to answer Bill's question, yes, I think I do know why I'm here, and that's to use the gifts suffering has brought me to help others. And as far as my progress in those areas, I think I'm doing much better these past few years.
I can but agree. Without suffering, I would be a mere shadow of what I am today, even though extremely painful experiences, my own actions that have caused me to feel guilt and shame in the past have made me a better person today.

Actually knowing thyself (which suffering ultimately provokes) was seen essential for astral projection in this fascinating article I just read:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7e4g3/found-page-25-of-the-cias-gateway-report-on-astral-projection

[Matthew]

When did this all start here on Planet Earth?
I believe it started at the very beginning - I feel like it's an intrinsic type of drama associated with learning to be free and making the right choices

What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.)
Anti-truth + abuse of the innocent

What are the possible outcomes?
Georga Guidestones, Lockstep, Clever Together, Hack Attack, Smart Scramble or any combination of them. Also, more people will escape their abusive relationships with authority but not after being bare-faced betrayed a few times. We are complicated creatures but the truth is simple, it's strange contradiction and we have to find our way somehow

Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play, or be playing?
Same as the fascination with watching wildlife, or a previously undiscovered tribe. We get understanding about ourselves by watching them. Sometimes there are poachers, trappers, hunters, and other nefarious motives. Sometimes perhaps there's the equivalent of Jane Goodall, but alien studying humans. In this take Charles Hall is like Koko the gorilla. Reminds me of Douglas Adams' take; a twee universe

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?
I have a sense I was trying to escape Samsara, or my best understanding of it. Since I'm here it's obviously not going very well; but it is what it is :o - I'm here to contribute or to learn or a big messy mix of the two :Party:

[jtcribbs]

This premise really needs the kind of long, historically referenced, and meticulously presented video such as was published by Rich Dolan recently, and posted here:


The Window is Closing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114407-The-Window-is-Closing)




When did this all start here on Planet Earth?
What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.)
What are the possible outcomes?
Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play, or be playing?
What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?


The When: 18 million years ago it all began, our human family of souls came to this Earth, says theosophy. 60 billion total individuals, but only about 30 billion presently cycling into reincarnation. The most highest souls still have yet to incarnate to this Earth...waiting for us to get to work developing it properly.

What are the current trends: Moving into Aquarius Epoch...barbarian clans are incarnating destroying the old order and new clans are incarnating as well, some very highly developed souls imminent, already born today.

What are the possible outcomes: Aquarian is a mentalized epoch, and epoch of law and order. The planet will become incredibly well organized within a century or two.

Role of ET's: The major "ET's" most people will see will be the Externalization of the Hierarchy, impending by 2025 and beyond. The teachers and advanced souls of our mankind...

What is my role: I am a student and teacher of esoterics and theosophy, in the area of Henry Laurency, Alice Bailey/Master DK, Master Hilarion, and Charles Leadbeater/Annie Besant.

[bettye198]

What I have learned from the 5D and higher Taygeteans [Plieadeans] that we are hybrids of so many races its even hard to call us human or rather what percentage is human anyway? From the Voyagers [E'asha] we have multiple seeding from the 13-14-15th beings from all the way back to 100 of billions of years on and off. The Taygeteans are one group not in communion with the Federation that is comprised of many races. Then there is a higher Federation above that. The main reason is because there is still that prime directive and interference is upsetting the natural order of things. Yet, there are those from Alcyone and Plieades and others that disagree. They feel when we are drowning in our own mess we do need a helping hand. This is the plight of this reality. There is also the reminder that we as beings must use consciousness to create reality. This is also what Tesla professed. If we do not, we as individuals remain in 3 D and cannot advance. So to this end, our reality is 3 D now, beyond the Van Allen belt is is a different perception. When perception changes, we have an opportunity to create a higher reality. They do not believe there are dimensions just an elevated grade in perception that has its benefits.
You can listen or read transcripts posted almost daily. Fascinating! at cosmic agency:


¤=[Post Update]=¤

http://www.swaruu.org

[Ernie Nemeth]

Another thing about biased perspective, which can lead to making connections where no connection exists, is the generational aspect of life on earth as we know it.

Life is more like a mighty river: It flows from its source, along a preset course, to its destination. The water in the river keeps flowing, and the molecules of water follow the course. At some point individual molecules leave the river. Eventually they are drawn up into the sky where they form clouds. Then storms move over the land and the rains replenish the source of the river.

Like the water molecule we are the source, the river, the clouds and the rain.

Which state is most important?

An analogous question: When are we truly alive?

[araucaria]

Another thing about biased perspective, which can lead to making connections where no connection exists, is the generational aspect of life on earth as we know it.

Life is more like a mighty river: It flows from its source, along a preset course, to its destination. The water in the river keeps flowing, and the molecules of water follow the course. At some point individual molecules leave the river. Eventually they are drawn up into the sky where they form clouds. Then storms move over the land and the rains replenish the source of the river.

Like the water molecule we are the source, the river, the clouds and the rain.

Which state is most important?

An analogous question: When are we truly alive?
Hi Ernie
You missed a bit out : when we join the ocean – as when Romain Rolland stymied Freud, who couldn’t relate to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_feeling

[Ernie Nemeth]

Some future post might have expanded on the topic, perhaps. It is pertinent.

It would be nice to know the deeper dynamics involved in the terrestrial turmoil we witness. But like the water molecule, we cannot know what drives our experience here - it has always been there and we have always been born into it.

The river of life has its own dynamic the water molecule has no say in either. Between the mountain and the ocean it serves as a requisite conduit, but its existence depends on even more subtle and powerful forces.

What does life require?

I once posted a poem and a song about Life Is Love, that tries to capture the extent of life's purview. I hope it is alright to repost here...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29567-Life-Is-Love-a-song&highlight=life+is+love

Where does life start
Is it in the heart
Or is it perhaps in our brain
Or could it be
That we cannot see
That the search is just in vain

Does life keep on
Until it is gone
Or does it then repeat again
Once we are dead
Do we rise instead
Or do we in death remain

Does life come from
Some far away sun
That has seeded the universe
Or are we it
The only planet
That received this blessed curse

Could life be scaled
Our own notions paled
To include our solar system
For life to seed
Does the sun it need
Do world’s fit life’s stratagem

For worlds to form
The gases must swarm
And ignite the solar fire
The suns sweep dusts
Into rocks and crusts
Of worlds which they inspire

For gas to group
And thus close the loop
There must be laws like gravity
Why is it then
That we have condemned
Life’s part in reality

Four laws so grave
A fifth one they crave
For the four do not have a goal
Life is the force
That guides us on course
And gives meaning to the soul

Life lives and grows
Life is the cosmos
That waits for us to discover
Life is God’s love
Beyond and above
What else we may uncover

[Agape]

What I have learned from the 5D and higher Taygeteans [Plieadeans] that we are hybrids of so many races its even hard to call us human or rather what percentage is human anyway? From the Voyagers [E'asha] we have multiple seeding from the 13-14-15th beings from all the way back to 100 of billions of years on and off. The Taygeteans are one group not in communion with the Federation that is comprised of many races. Then there is a higher Federation above that. The main reason is because there is still that prime directive and interference is upsetting the natural order of things. Yet, there are those from Alcyone and Plieades and others that disagree. They feel when we are drowning in our own mess we do need a helping hand. This is the plight of this reality. There is also the reminder that we as beings must use consciousness to create reality. This is also what Tesla professed. If we do not, we as individuals remain in 3 D and cannot advance. So to this end, our reality is 3 D now, beyond the Van Allen belt is is a different perception. When perception changes, we have an opportunity to create a higher reality. They do not believe there are dimensions just an elevated grade in perception that has its benefits.
You can listen or read transcripts posted almost daily. Fascinating! at cosmic agency:


¤=[Post Update]=¤

http://www.swaruu.org



From another basket but some scientists just unlocked the same hypothesis by playing with numbers . In their estimate Life on Earth, due to its inherent complexity counting in number of its inherent mutations has to be far older than the Earth.

They traced the number to some 10 billion years at least though they can’t really agree on how did it get here, they’re on the track.

I think it’s an important piece of puzzle getting out :


Life Before Earth (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258841698_Life_Before_Earth)

Authors: Alexei Sharov ( National Institute of Ageing)
Richard Gordon (Gulf Marine Specimen Laboratory)

[Goba]

The assumption of course is we do not live in a simulation of some kind. Because if we do - most of these questions make no sense.

When did this all start here on Planet Earth?
I do not know and I think nobody "knows" in the strict sense or can even know. When did humanity start? In its etheric form? in its very different but already manifest physical form (Mu?, Atlantis?) In today's form (homo sapiens sapiens)?

What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.)
trends for what? subjective time is accelerating afaics - so the trend is to reach some kind of time climax - if that results in some "ascension" event or a split between the high and low brows is anybodies guess but there are empty cities in the south american jungles that may point towards such an option.

Anti-truth + abuse of the innocent
Who is innocent? who has not been here before or elsewhere gazillion times? if we limit this to THIS life its easy but can we? does it even make sense to answer a multidimensional question one dimensional? is god an asshole to allow it might be the subsequent question resulting from such premise. Truth is such a misused and badly defined term. I am still searching for objective truth i.e. truth that is true outside myself.

What are the possible outcomes?
we will all die - everything else is speculation as long as we can not define the range and shape and purpose of the playground.

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?
I do not know my purpose besides being and possibly learning. My best guess would be to only observe and be still to the best of my abilities. That is such a hard task that it's almost self evident the thing to do. Everything else is child's play in comparison.
My progress is unknown to me - I do not know the parameters of the growing I am involved in nor the scope. It could be a week, or a day, or an hour, or a minute in a 12 year school curriculum. or maybe I missed school altogether and those fighting in the plains got it right.

[Agape]

From my own perspective, the “life” in humans we see around buzzing now has crashed here 😅 We have crashed here.

It’s what my Bodhgaya ET sighting was all about. It was about US ( that is us in our more advanced, ancient form and civilization) accidentally crash landing to this place in a giant Spaceship that was a size of “space city” with 10 thousand of us onboards many of whom have perished in the accident.

To this day I feel I face severe ostracism from even the “UFO community” who are searching for “proofs” ( now if you are searching for those you have to excuse me to say that you don’t know what are you talking about as in presuming that another technically and spiritually advanced space faring civilisation is willing or wishing to leave their trash and radios behind , like some humans do to this day carelessly),

and it’s not that I’m unable to explain or expand on the information I’ve received
or that there isn’t plenty of corroborative evidence.

https://issuu.com/manjuvajra/docs/the_bodhgaya_report


My report was out there since 2006/2010. Because the information is unusual and concerns the very origin of mankind on this planet that is so far interpreted in accordance of one evolutionary hypothesis among all,
convincing people that everything somehow “started here”,
carrying the lantern of Spanish Inquisition and conviction that humans are somehow just a toy that can be played with and brainwashed to simple and organised believes,

for that ( and another reason) alone, I stand one against the mainstream and alternative opinions including the “ancient astronaut theory” though you can clearly see that we ALL share our interest and information in common.



Did I make any progress since ?


I’ve been always asking big questions to the Universe and solving ( or trying to) various problems in my life ...maths problems, medical problems, spiritual questions and inter-human relationships, puzzles and all the rest and despite the fact of growing dull since I was 4 year old :) I still do big amount of mental processing that is information processing ( unless I fall out ) everyday.
So yes most definitely, I can see we all are making progress on many levels and trying to improve.

We all have had many obstacles thrown in our way and even serious dangers but by the Mercy of God and continuity of Life, we have sustained and survived some of the most unbelievable challenges.


I agree with Ernie that Life is Fluid ..it’s more a wave than a particle, it’s a complex and intelligent function we are trying to understand and decipher - within our bodies and our minds- ,
it’s a dynamic process that does not exactly “start from somewhere” in this timeline because we inherit or encounter large number of different algorithms - you may call them consciousnesses - and external and internal parameters of qualified information we are then trying to process within those algorithms - consciousnesses,
either to advance them or discard them in longer course of history.


Some of us vaguely but positively remember what kind of “life”- algorithm we were before we came here and forms of existence that are different from human.

Now if you think it all may be “human imagination” and you can answer “all those questions” instead with “simple human model”,
you’re on par with the communist-atheist manifesto who did “right that” and reduced simple human existence to numbers.


You are of course entitled to your doubts and debts and think the answer maybe about 50/50 but that’s what any horse with blindfolds on their eyes sees too.


Like it would be quite difficult to explain to someone born blind or deaf what “does it mean” to see or hear,
for those brought up in closed environment of social indoctrination whether religious or non-religious seeing the truth becomes a “tabu”, the forbidden thing to see ( know) and our very brain “closes its eyes” from seeing/knowing.

It requires lots of spiritual training or empowerments for many people ( unless they are children :) ) to see beyond whatever they have been taught,
embracing own clear mind and leaving behind the taught or precalculated mind - mental processing- the burden or human emotions, worldly aspirations and objectives and so forth.

Of course your doctor, your Pastor and your elected government told you not to do that 😀💐

You’ve chosen them to parent you and remind you not to do that, parents also told you not to do that , remember you’ve chosen them to tell you


and remember about Mary 😅💐 and standing there ( wherever that is in the desert ),
stark naked , in love with the greater Universe.



( guess I’m going to drown this post so thanks for patience)


🙏

[Mashika]

Another thing about biased perspective, which can lead to making connections where no connection exists, is the generational aspect of life on earth as we know it.

Life is more like a mighty river: It flows from its source, along a preset course, to its destination. The water in the river keeps flowing, and the molecules of water follow the course. At some point individual molecules leave the river. Eventually they are drawn up into the sky where they form clouds. Then storms move over the land and the rains replenish the source of the river.

Like the water molecule we are the source, the river, the clouds and the rain.

Which state is most important?

An analogous question: When are we truly alive?

When we truly realize we are just more water flowing into the source of a bigger river, until it becomes an ocean. But not until it truly sits in, because we may know of it, but we may not yet 'see it'. Just like we may know people can jump for a plane and experience the nature of falling down to earth and then land gracefully to the ground, but not all people have experienced it beyond knowing or watching videos of it

Probably like that :flower:

:unsure:

[Agape]

I think we are truly “alive” whenever we live up to our intelligence and meaning.

It’s because we have this wonderful self-conscious ability to control at least some of our “epigenetic process” and choose our passage, call it intelligence, free will or self-development, in short time of one human life we try to size “all the control of the Universe” we are capable of, some instinctively, others intuitively or emotionally yet others using logic and pure reason.

If being alive was merely “being part of the flow” we could be also seen as an animal who needs but to eat, sleep and create progeny together with the rest of its needs and urges.

But we are not. We revolt and work against terrestrial cycles, loops, cyclones and downgrades. We fight the colds in our bones and brains and being dragged down by floods of physical and mental motions that someone else has created.

We live in constant defense situation against the “friendly nature” out there. If we can’t really work against the Power it’s out there to kill you 😀
The Sun, the heat, the cold, even the river. Think of the rest..


The older we turn as civilization more careful and selective we become in our choices and more sensitive, receptive to signals we have received and transmitted.

Even while most of our struggle here is nothing but trial and error we are continually brushing our discernment against the real power of Universe.

Touching our very meaning here, we are alive.

People forget what does it mean these days because they lost contact with nature. Generations now lived in well padded cells and apartments,
fearing no elements , their fears transponded to fears of governmental conspiracies the most. They forget what’s the real situation.
Where does all their drinking water come from and where does the waste go all along, many don’t walk further than to their car doors everyday.

Dying for overwork for paperwork for empty jobs in companies created to feed people.

Turning to zombies and sad clowns on stages spilling the beans 24/7,
the shows more fast and most abundant.

Someone who wakes up fully from the dream of this world are alive ( sometimes running around the streets naked like Archimedes but i can’t imagine it would happen today. I don’t think that Buddha or Jesus can happen today, not even Mohammad or they would be Covid tested, detained for speaking against common convictions and sent to hell. As Desmond Tutu said to Dalailama: when I die, I go to heaven. Being so compassionate, do you go to the other place instead ?”)


🙏

[Ewan]

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?


I have been thinking about this for some time now, i don't yet have full answers to other questions but this one i do think i understand my purpose

I believe i came here to suffer and learn something out of it

The reason is this, ever since i can remember, my life has always been a lot of happiness, always to end up in tragic suffering and having to see my world swept away from my feet in bad an sad ways. It's like a constant turn of events that always made me unhappy, caused lots of angst and anger, and made me a crazy monster always on the defensive and full alert to any possible danger, as a rabid animal

I could not trust anyone, i could not get attached to anyone, i could not love or even say "i love you", the words would choke me when trying to say them

Then over the years and tons and tons of letdowns and learning to be with myself only and finding things that would make me happy without needing someone else to provide that happiness, i think finally started learning something, that pain/suffering was not something to be terrible afraid off, and that it could be managed and absorbed and dissolved without allowing it to cause harm anymore

So i feel like i can take anything coming my way, and diffuse it without any consequences, i'm not afraid of anything anymore, and i can go full extent in trying anything in life, accepting anything that comes forward full head on, and support other people when they are weak, because the things that affects them badly, for me are meaningless and i can take them down easily

So i think my purpose here was: First, to learn to handle the suffering until it did not meant anything anymore. And second, to be able to use this understanding that all things cause suffering and that you can just step over it and keep going, without stopping your life or allowing it to take control

If karma and reincarnation exists, as in the concept of being reborn on another body, but with same soul, i must have been one hell of a demon being way back lol, because i have paid so much in this one iteration

But here's one thing

Suffering, it seems, has to be lived through, not avoided at all. The more a person suffers, the more they are advancing, because when they are 'new' or unaware, they don't even realize what really goes on, the more they become aware the more suffering there will be, but the more they understanding it and if they reach the point of seeing total suffering as it is in true nature, but are able to not allow it to harm them, then i think the person is getting close to 'Nirvana'

So now, when something bad happens, i don't suffer anymore, i just look at it and think "ok, this is all kinds of messed up, how to fix it? Should i even try?" and move on from there. I don't feel anything terrible or fear or anything related, i just see it happening and know all things can be changed and fixed, so that's what i do :)

-

Masha




I read Dr.Victor Frankyl's classic book recently - "Man's Search For Meaning" - and having been to hell and back in the Nazi concentration camps he developed a few poignant ideas along the way. He used those ideas to create 'Logos Therapy', which is a unique form of therapy based on finding meaning in one's life and focusing mostly on that (opposed to rehashing childhood events etc, like you might with a traditional psychotherapist).

He concluded that meaning could be found in 4 ways (if my memory serves me)

1) thru personal responsibility
2) thru loving another person
3) thru engaging a goal, or a passion project
4) thru suffering.

Like you, I'm a #4. I think the point of a #4 is to find a way to use that suffering to somehow help others ease theirs. When looked upon like that, I find it easier to endure. I have to believe it's for a higher purpose, and when I do it helps get me thru the day.

The suffering has made me:
1) very patient
2) a pretty good listener
3) compassionate towards other's who are suffering
4) develop a sense of humor
5) creative

In that way the suffering has been a good education. I doubt that, me being me, I could have gotten that education in any other way. So to answer Bill's question, yes, I think I do know why I'm here, and that's to use the gifts suffering has brought me to help others. And as far as my progress in those areas, I think I'm doing much better these past few years.

Re: initial points 1 thru 4.

I have sampled 1) 2) & 3) on several occasions through life and ultimately discovered they all led to 4).

Do I win a prize?

Genuinely not meaning to be flippant. It is just my experience.

For me...

The suffering has made me:
1) MORE patient - but also more impatient.
2) a pretty good listener - depends who I am dealing with
3) compassionate towards other's who are suffering - definitely, 100%
4) develop a sense of humor - I was born with a black sense of humour, I think it is a necessary requirement of life here.
5) creative - It's directing that creativity effectively I struggle with.

I have not got a clue why I'm here and sometimes think it is some sick joke, like I took a wrong turn on the way out of "incarnation this way" room because some devious bastard spun the sign when I wasn't looking and has been laughing ever since.
I want to help everyone I meet but seldom find a way to do so.

6) Developing nuclear level cynicism - probably not healthy.

Honestly the bull**** coming out of the radio everyday as I drive around. Govt sponsored adverts regarding covid - they are so disengenous, innacurate and designed to play on guilt - I just want to go to a remore place in a wooden cabin and not deal with humanity again.

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What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?


I have been thinking about this for some time now, i don't yet have full answers to other questions but this one i do think i understand my purpose

I believe i came here to suffer and learn something out of it

The reason is this, ever since i can remember, my life has always been a lot of happiness, always to end up in tragic suffering and having to see my world swept away from my feet in bad an sad ways. It's like a constant turn of events that always made me unhappy, caused lots of angst and anger, and made me a crazy monster always on the defensive and full alert to any possible danger, as a rabid animal

I could not trust anyone, i could not get attached to anyone, i could not love or even say "i love you", the words would choke me when trying to say them

Then over the years and tons and tons of letdowns and learning to be with myself only and finding things that would make me happy without needing someone else to provide that happiness, i think finally started learning something, that pain/suffering was not something to be terrible afraid off, and that it could be managed and absorbed and dissolved without allowing it to cause harm anymore

So i feel like i can take anything coming my way, and diffuse it without any consequences, i'm not afraid of anything anymore, and i can go full extent in trying anything in life, accepting anything that comes forward full head on, and support other people when they are weak, because the things that affects them badly, for me are meaningless and i can take them down easily

So i think my purpose here was: First, to learn to handle the suffering until it did not meant anything anymore. And second, to be able to use this understanding that all things cause suffering and that you can just step over it and keep going, without stopping your life or allowing it to take control

If karma and reincarnation exists, as in the concept of being reborn on another body, but with same soul, i must have been one hell of a demon being way back lol, because i have paid so much in this one iteration

But here's one thing

Suffering, it seems, has to be lived through, not avoided at all. The more a person suffers, the more they are advancing, because when they are 'new' or unaware, they don't even realize what really goes on, the more they become aware the more suffering there will be, but the more they understanding it and if they reach the point of seeing total suffering as it is in true nature, but are able to not allow it to harm them, then i think the person is getting close to 'Nirvana'

So now, when something bad happens, i don't suffer anymore, i just look at it and think "ok, this is all kinds of messed up, how to fix it? Should i even try?" and move on from there. I don't feel anything terrible or fear or anything related, i just see it happening and know all things can be changed and fixed, so that's what i do :)

-

Masha

Girl, you are way ahead of the curve. Reaching these conclusions at your age is way beyond the normal awakening/pain/suffering triumverate. Very impressed.

[Merkaba360]

Havent read the whole thread yet, but Bill is doing something like Astrology or other learning systems do, cut it up into 12 categories or 3 as bill does to make it easier to talk about in certain ways. A good left brain logic trick as long as we remember the continuum and limitations of the model.

Another way we could say it is the lower evolving people(group 3) still havent reached the "Conscious evolution" stage of choosing to evolve back to spirit/formless. The ones who start waking up make the transition from group 3 to group 1 or 2 of the consciously evolving humans. So, part of the battle between the light and dark side (group 1 and 2) of the more conscious beings is trying to recruit more from group 3 to the light or dark side of the force :) Group 3 doesnt know there is a force they can use.

Group 2 is trying to hold down the kind people in group 3, while initiating the more selfish jerks from group 3. Group 1 is trying to nudge as many as possible from group 3 to group 1 and occasionally i suppose even try to flip someone from group 2 to group 1.

AS far as the soul goes.....Don Juan talks of the Mold of Man. Like an energy body mold or something that allows all of us humans to take on roughly the same form. He said when people see it by chance they will think they are seeing god or maybe even an angel, but its just the mold, even if its incredible. So, if this is the soul, then everyone would need one. But then i guess it would not be the soul because if you became a frog next life you would need the frog mold and not mans. lol To me spirit is the empty observer that just is, and the soul is some kind of energy construct that cant be destroyed (maybe after the death of a galaxy or universe) like physical things, but is some kind of large energetic structure that has been collecting all experience for a being or cluster of beings. Likely hard to imagine from a 3D point of view.

So, not sure I buy that the beings who have suffered much and being apart of the dark side would not have a soul. Now a machine that is molded and not created/grown is another story. They wouldnt have chakras, but maybe they have some forms that develop outside our dimension/perception after they are born.

I can relate to Mashika's red road of suffering from constant losses, let downs, tragedies or whatever. I have some hint that part of that purpose is for me to learn perseverance. I good trait to build, but im not sure if i really understand how important perseverance is for the long spiritual evolutionary game. Its more obvious for success in career or earthly tasks.

[TomKat]

With all the talk of ascension in the last couple of decades, it makes me wonder: What if "Operation Covid" is a spiritual emergency and not just a World Govt power play or depopulation emergency? Maybe the evil Type 2's have been losing too many non-evil Type 2s to spirituality, and the vibrational balance of the planet threatens to tip toward ascension? A vaccine that severs the connection to soul would be an ideal solution.

[Open Minded Dude]

The problem is that the great mass of Group 3 is not waking up like it was hoped for and forecasted years ago when Group 1 had more optimism regarding consciousness shift. It is not happening. No hundredth monkey effect. Yes, more of them 'muggles' occasionally question some of the measures and don't like the official narratives but they do not dare question authority - the latter of which are mostly players of Group 2 since it is them who seek power. Sorry to sound so pessimistic but the 'war' does not look like an easy win for Group 1.

[Merkaba360]

"The problem is that the great mass of Group 3 is not waking up like it was hoped for and forecasted years ago when Group 1 had more optimism regarding consciousness shift. It is not happening. No hundredth monkey effect. Yes, more of them 'muggles' occasionally question some of the measures and don't like the official narratives but they do not dare question authority - the latter of which are mostly players of Group 2 since it is them who seek power. Sorry to sound so pessimistic but the 'war' does not look like an easy win for Group 1."




I know how you feel, yet i'm not sure its accurate. News websites had to shut off comments cuz there was such huge numbers of people seeing thru the lies. I think our numbers are higher than it seems, even though when compared to 7.5 billion its not a majority. I think the numbers have increased quite a bit in 20 years or so..

Also, isn't that how its expected to play out anyways....like the heroes journey myth and darkest hour before the dawn stuff. The dark side looks so powerful and massive and winning, but that was partly theatre and partly cuz the collective is so powerful it can literally poo on any Dark Parade so quickly if its center of gravity shifts. I think humans know whats up deep down but are massive procrastinators and don't want to deal with the scary shadow self until it must. Not to mention, at this consciousness level, we seem to need some seriously massive suffering to trigger our superpowers and ability to learn and evolve.

In other words, I think its kinda standard procedure to be looking bleak, when its probably more like a 50/50 or 60/40 chance. lol Who knows, I personally think it could turn into massive deaths like WW2, but probably not quite that kind of war - yet the whole ship didnt sink leading to humanities enslavement and dystopian nightmare.

[Antagenet]

When did this all start here on Planet Earth?
When Satan showed their ugly psychopathic self/selves here.

What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.)
Same as always, we all have a chance to surmount evil on a personal level.

What are the possible outcomes?
It's up to you to choose for your own soul. Group outcomes are relatively unimportant.

Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play, or be playing?
They have no power over us if we don't give it away.

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?
Oh I am certain that my purpose is to see how many tragedies, dissappointments, betrayals and attacks I can withstand, while
still attempting to choose the good, the beautiful and the pure, and keep my heart open.

And in the moments I fail, I just try to sleep it off and heal.

[Sue (Ayt)]

With all the talk of ascension in the last couple of decades, it makes me wonder: What if "Operation Covid" is a spiritual emergency and not just a World Govt power play or depopulation emergency? Maybe the evil Type 2's have been losing too many non-evil Type 2s to spirituality, and the vibrational balance of the planet threatens to tip toward ascension? A vaccine that severs the connection to soul would be an ideal solution.

That is where my mind went when I first heard of this new "covid" thing emerging out of China, TomKat.
It was why I started this thread, in fact. The Virus the Energetic Viewpoint (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110454-The-Virus-the-Energetic-Viewpoint&highlight=virus+energetic)
(maybe you could repost your post there, too?)
It does give us a very different perspective to the whole situation to consider.

[ExomatrixTV]

All "three different kinds of people" could be split in a "sub-section": how much fear (or lack thereof) plays a role in their actions/behavior (or lack thereof ... aka apathy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy)).

It seems like we live in an ever-growing anxiety disorders (https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/anxiety-disorders) driven society, where there’s obvious no love in fear ... as it will show incompetence to challenge or transform any assumed danger. (pessimism/optimism).

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatriXTV'
April 19th 2021

[Mashika]

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?


I have been thinking about this for some time now, i don't yet have full answers to other questions but this one i do think i understand my purpose

I believe i came here to suffer and learn something out of it

The reason is this, ever since i can remember, my life has always been a lot of happiness, always to end up in tragic suffering and having to see my world swept away from my feet in bad an sad ways. It's like a constant turn of events that always made me unhappy, caused lots of angst and anger, and made me a crazy monster always on the defensive and full alert to any possible danger, as a rabid animal

I could not trust anyone, i could not get attached to anyone, i could not love or even say "i love you", the words would choke me when trying to say them

Then over the years and tons and tons of letdowns and learning to be with myself only and finding things that would make me happy without needing someone else to provide that happiness, i think finally started learning something, that pain/suffering was not something to be terrible afraid off, and that it could be managed and absorbed and dissolved without allowing it to cause harm anymore

So i feel like i can take anything coming my way, and diffuse it without any consequences, i'm not afraid of anything anymore, and i can go full extent in trying anything in life, accepting anything that comes forward full head on, and support other people when they are weak, because the things that affects them badly, for me are meaningless and i can take them down easily

So i think my purpose here was: First, to learn to handle the suffering until it did not meant anything anymore. And second, to be able to use this understanding that all things cause suffering and that you can just step over it and keep going, without stopping your life or allowing it to take control

If karma and reincarnation exists, as in the concept of being reborn on another body, but with same soul, i must have been one hell of a demon being way back lol, because i have paid so much in this one iteration

But here's one thing

Suffering, it seems, has to be lived through, not avoided at all. The more a person suffers, the more they are advancing, because when they are 'new' or unaware, they don't even realize what really goes on, the more they become aware the more suffering there will be, but the more they understanding it and if they reach the point of seeing total suffering as it is in true nature, but are able to not allow it to harm them, then i think the person is getting close to 'Nirvana'

So now, when something bad happens, i don't suffer anymore, i just look at it and think "ok, this is all kinds of messed up, how to fix it? Should i even try?" and move on from there. I don't feel anything terrible or fear or anything related, i just see it happening and know all things can be changed and fixed, so that's what i do :)

-

Masha




I read Dr.Victor Frankyl's classic book recently - "Man's Search For Meaning" - and having been to hell and back in the Nazi concentration camps he developed a few poignant ideas along the way. He used those ideas to create 'Logos Therapy', which is a unique form of therapy based on finding meaning in one's life and focusing mostly on that (opposed to rehashing childhood events etc, like you might with a traditional psychotherapist).

He concluded that meaning could be found in 4 ways (if my memory serves me)

1) thru personal responsibility
2) thru loving another person
3) thru engaging a goal, or a passion project
4) thru suffering.

Like you, I'm a #4. I think the point of a #4 is to find a way to use that suffering to somehow help others ease theirs. When looked upon like that, I find it easier to endure. I have to believe it's for a higher purpose, and when I do it helps get me thru the day.

The suffering has made me:
1) very patient
2) a pretty good listener
3) compassionate towards other's who are suffering
4) develop a sense of humor
5) creative

In that way the suffering has been a good education. I doubt that, me being me, I could have gotten that education in any other way. So to answer Bill's question, yes, I think I do know why I'm here, and that's to use the gifts suffering has brought me to help others. And as far as my progress in those areas, I think I'm doing much better these past few years.

Re: initial points 1 thru 4.

I have sampled 1) 2) & 3) on several occasions through life and ultimately discovered they all led to 4).

Do I win a prize?

Genuinely not meaning to be flippant. It is just my experience.

For me...

The suffering has made me:
1) MORE patient - but also more impatient.
2) a pretty good listener - depends who I am dealing with
3) compassionate towards other's who are suffering - definitely, 100%
4) develop a sense of humor - I was born with a black sense of humour, I think it is a necessary requirement of life here.
5) creative - It's directing that creativity effectively I struggle with.

I have not got a clue why I'm here and sometimes think it is some sick joke, like I took a wrong turn on the way out of "incarnation this way" room because some devious bastard spun the sign when I wasn't looking and has been laughing ever since.
I want to help everyone I meet but seldom find a way to do so.

6) Developing nuclear level cynicism - probably not healthy.

Honestly the bull**** coming out of the radio everyday as I drive around. Govt sponsored adverts regarding covid - they are so disengenous, innacurate and designed to play on guilt - I just want to go to a remore place in a wooden cabin and not deal with humanity again.

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What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?


I have been thinking about this for some time now, i don't yet have full answers to other questions but this one i do think i understand my purpose

I believe i came here to suffer and learn something out of it

The reason is this, ever since i can remember, my life has always been a lot of happiness, always to end up in tragic suffering and having to see my world swept away from my feet in bad an sad ways. It's like a constant turn of events that always made me unhappy, caused lots of angst and anger, and made me a crazy monster always on the defensive and full alert to any possible danger, as a rabid animal

I could not trust anyone, i could not get attached to anyone, i could not love or even say "i love you", the words would choke me when trying to say them

Then over the years and tons and tons of letdowns and learning to be with myself only and finding things that would make me happy without needing someone else to provide that happiness, i think finally started learning something, that pain/suffering was not something to be terrible afraid off, and that it could be managed and absorbed and dissolved without allowing it to cause harm anymore

So i feel like i can take anything coming my way, and diffuse it without any consequences, i'm not afraid of anything anymore, and i can go full extent in trying anything in life, accepting anything that comes forward full head on, and support other people when they are weak, because the things that affects them badly, for me are meaningless and i can take them down easily

So i think my purpose here was: First, to learn to handle the suffering until it did not meant anything anymore. And second, to be able to use this understanding that all things cause suffering and that you can just step over it and keep going, without stopping your life or allowing it to take control

If karma and reincarnation exists, as in the concept of being reborn on another body, but with same soul, i must have been one hell of a demon being way back lol, because i have paid so much in this one iteration

But here's one thing

Suffering, it seems, has to be lived through, not avoided at all. The more a person suffers, the more they are advancing, because when they are 'new' or unaware, they don't even realize what really goes on, the more they become aware the more suffering there will be, but the more they understanding it and if they reach the point of seeing total suffering as it is in true nature, but are able to not allow it to harm them, then i think the person is getting close to 'Nirvana'

So now, when something bad happens, i don't suffer anymore, i just look at it and think "ok, this is all kinds of messed up, how to fix it? Should i even try?" and move on from there. I don't feel anything terrible or fear or anything related, i just see it happening and know all things can be changed and fixed, so that's what i do :)

-

Masha

Girl, you are way ahead of the curve. Reaching these conclusions at your age is way beyond the normal awakening/pain/suffering triumverate. Very impressed.


Because im close to passing by all ridiculous human standards, and that's it. As far as i care anymore. In any case I did not sign up for this

Eta: im sorry my frustration is getting to me, im being thrown around in all sorts of bad ways.

[Agape]

In my best advice, all good but don’t let the pain of suffering take hold of everything in your life, pain has its own destructive power that shouldn’t be underestimated.

Despite I strongly resonate with your opinion that we have to experience suffering to mature, it does not make us “stronger” at the end of the day.

Likewise, I’ve experienced many scattered painful episodes in my life as they came by and I’m not sorry for it, while it had to be, each of us can put on our shoulders only as much as we can carry.

But I repeat, try and you may come to learn in later stages of your life to stop the sufferings ongoing, by discrimination and action means before they sour your mind or daily life experience and take the best of you.


I’ll tell you an example. I was suffering from the rest of winter cold for more than a month now, now that we are surrounded by the threat of Covid pandemics if you dare, mountain cold that is, triggered some old issues including tooth pain that needs to get out and jaw lock . Keep smiling :) That is I did not smile properly for almost a month now and it’s not that I’m not happy. Actually, maybe I should not be quite happy but you can’t smile well with acute pain in jaw joint :)

Since we all are so subdued :) and weary of malingering; I decided to wait it out. I wait it out, I wait it out. Several weeks had passed.

Mornings see me walking around like melted butter. Love everyone to bits.

After a month, I’m mentally half out of it , what the heck.

Take medicines of course, then I recall of the small lidocaine spray , the pain locks some memory so took me a month ?


Now that I’m getting back to normal from like bouts of trigeminal pain ,

I condemn the suffering.

Swear if it lasts too long it takes minds away.


“Walking in the rain”

😄☔️

[Free Thinker]

This premise really needs the kind of long, historically referenced, and meticulously presented video such as was published by Rich Dolan recently, and posted here:


The Window is Closing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114407-The-Window-is-Closing)

But I've been thinking about this for a long time — many years, even — and many reading this may have been too. What follows is the briefest summary, and it's also bound to be a simplification of a whole bunch of complexities. But I want to start the discussion.

Very broadly and crudely speaking, there are three different kinds of people on Planet Earth.

DNA has little or nothing to do with it — with the caveat that bloodlines might be intertwined in all this somehow. But I'll not go into that in this first post. It's at least mainly a spiritual thing.

Meaning, what beings are in the human bodies, why they're here, and what their lineage was.

#1) A comparative minority (though still probably numbering many tens of millions) of aware, awake, attuned, sensitive, very conscious people with (a) a great sense of empathy for Planet Earth and all things natural, and (b) a great sense of bewilderment about what the heck is happening here and why.

And many of those have significant spiritual abilities, in various stages of activation. (Some may still be dormant, but those people will still feel very strongly that they have some sense of spiritual purpose — though they might not know what it is.)

#2) A more sizeable minority that is only attuned to power, money, control, manipulation, greed, and is (at least) insensitive to all things natural. And a smaller subset of those are (a) pathological, and (b) running almost everything on the planet in terms of administration, politics, finance and corporate business.

#3) A majority of what J.K. Rowling called 'Muggles'. I don't use that as a derogatory term; it's just another simplistic label. A 'Muggle' in Harry Potter's world is simply a regular person who has no magical abilities — as the first group absolutely has (and which the second group tries to suppress or destroy), and which the elite members of the second group have in 'black' form, often to a significant extent.

The spiritual battle is #1 vs #2. And it's age-old, inasmuch as members of each group recognize one another, reunite, form bonds and kinships, and this is just the latest battleground. And often, they recognize their enemies.

All kinds of karma (meaning: unfinished business from past lives, of any imaginable kind) can get triggered into action, and can often cause equal bewilderment, at least for a while, to those in group #1.

Merely sharing the same living space, #3 are really those who are caught up in all this and are easily manipulated. They're what #2 regard as the 'useless eaters', but in the meantime, they're useful workers. They basically make stuff, grow stuff, do stuff, sell stuff, and transport stuff.

And the more able members of #3 may be highly educated and have a high intellect, but still be (e.g.) scientists, journalists or educators with astonishingly little true awareness.

They're still in group #3. They're Muggles, but intelligent Muggles. They may write books and may have PhDs. However, no amount of intelligence will ever gain them magical abilities, or magical awareness. They still have a low operational ceiling.

And they're absolutely used as tools by group #2. They're a perfect example, very often, of how intellect and spiritual awareness are mutually fully independent variables.

So here are some interesting questions. I'll pause here, and just pose them — though I have my own ideas which I'll be happy to share here later.


When did this all start here on Planet Earth?
What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.)
What are the possible outcomes?
Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play, or be playing?
What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?


I'll respond to this more in-depth later. Just wanted to give a quick comment here. I was thinking something similar, that there were either 3 types of people in the world or 5 types of people.

These are:

Group 1 (3 Types)

The Enemy/Technocratic Psychopaths (the Controllers, the Group Handlers, the Gang Stalkers, etc., from what little I know about these roles, and anyone who supports them in any way) They are the ones in the know and actively oppose us.

The Deniers/Disbelievers/Clueless People - Those who do not know and/or believe, and are being brainwashed/mind-controlled

The Awakened/Truth-Seekers/Freedom Fighters/Liberty Advocates - Those who have awakened to the truth and seek to know more and how to stop it and reclaim our world as our own (such as this community)

Group 2 (5 Types)

Similar to Group 1, these include:

Those in the know and are doing this

Those in the know and have been threatened, coerced or paid off to keep quiet

Those "in the know" (sort of) who are being mind-controlled against their will and do not know what they are doing

Those who have no idea

Those who know and want to know even more

One quick question, and sorry if this a dumb question.

Why is the 'window' closing? And what is the deadline for this if there is one? A specific or generic time frame? What happens to those who do not wake up?

Ok, I "lied", sorry. That was more than one question, derp. That was 4, lol.

I'll comment further and like/thank posts and posters later.

[Free Thinker]

When did this all start here on Planet Earth?

Perhaps from the very beginning of time immemorial here on Earth, who knows? But it is most definitely not a recent thing, no doubt the insidious and shadowy build-up of many long years, decades, centuries and millennia, if not even eons of work finally coming to the fore, because evil has made one too many errors and we are now fully outing them because of it as much as we can.

What are the current trends? (There may be several, all independently occurring.)

I once tried to determine (however briefly) how many "parts" there were to this messed-up super-collection of circumstances, but more or less soon enough came to the conclusion that this is a multi-faceted situation. So trying to count and decipher how many pieces of the puzzle there truly are in this, is a waste of my time and energy, my focus being better spent elsewhere on doing what I can to prepare for it, know what's really going on and has been under the fabricated pretense of this elaborate Lie we've all been collectively spoon fed from since birth/coming into this world, and trying to stop it by banding together with other like-minded individuals/souls to create a new, and better Earth for us all.

What are the possible outcomes?

This one might be more "doable" in terms of "parts" to the equation. Simply put, I feel the following might be true (and not in any likely order of possibility or desirous outcome either):

1) The side of evil wins and humanity as we know it, is forever lost; we all become subject to the disgusting whims of a Simulated Reality or OWG with no hope of escape ever in sight. All is lost and irrevocably changed in the worst possible way from this point onward.

2) A big Armageddon battle between good and evil comes about, light vs dark, both that of physical and psychological/spiritual, after the upheaval we all face reaches the ultimate climax, with good eventually winning in the end over any/all evil forces. Albeit battered and bruised, but also extremely grateful and thankful that we were able to push through this and begin rebuilding anew. To slowly raise our consciousness and that of the planet's overall, to a higher dimension, be that a 4th or 5th dimension one. Earth will then be known as Gaia or New Earth from then on.

3) Similar to number 2, except that there will be no "battle" in the physical sense, but that of purely a psychological/spiritual battle as before, the old Earth will be destroyed, those who failed to awaken or refused to, being instantly or near-instantly destroyed along with it, while those who are truly ready for and/or have actively worked towards raising our awareness and those of others, will then enter a new dimension of love and light, Paradise or Heaven on Earth with a clean slate for all to heal and grow from all the suffering we've endured. Perhaps this occurs automatically, as long as one has the will and the strength to keep going, or perhaps there are hidden portals or doorways to seek out that will appear at the right time to those who are good and desire to find them and go through them. Or both, depending on the individual person and their particular life circumstances. Earth in its new form is soon after, quickly created on a higher level of existence, while the old Earth is no longer there in the physical space we have known or thought it to be all this time. In other words, an instantaneous change for the better, as opposed to a more slower, gradual output as seen in number 2, after certain factors have come into play and when the Earth and the goddess Gaia herself cannot and will not tolerate anymore harm done to her or to those of us living upon her, just trying to go about our everyday lives in peace. After these changes have occurred, Earth will then be known as Gaia or New Earth from then on.

4) Some other possibility that I do not know of or cannot begin to guess the details of at this time.

Without doubt, many ETs are watching all this; this might be one of the several major reasons why Planet Earth is of such great interest. What role may they play, or be playing?

Some of them are more than likely on the side of evil alongside the elites, while others are on the side of good and are actively or semi-actively trying to help us in their own way. Whereas there are as yet, even more others who may choose not to take a stance in such matters, remaining neutral through it all. The latter group may have little to no awareness of what is going on in today's world, and may not care one way or the other what were to ultimately become of us.

What did you, reading this, come here for? And how much progress have you made, right now, towards realizing your purpose?

Simply put, the truth. I have made some significant progress in an astonishingly short period of time, but there is still much more to do, study/educate myself and prepare for whatever the outcome might be. And hopefully be able to help and be a support to at least one or two other people as well, if not even more than that. The more people I can be a light, aid, friend and inspiration to in these tumultuous times of darkness and uncertainty, the better.

[Free Thinker]

In my best advice, all good but don’t let the pain of suffering take hold of everything in your life, pain has its own destructive power that shouldn’t be underestimated.

Despite I strongly resonate with your opinion that we have to experience suffering to mature, it does not make us “stronger” at the end of the day.

I think this is a mixed bag, one I myself I am still very unsure of from time to time, depending on what angle I were to examine it all at. Will I ever truly know? *shrugs* Hard to say. One does the best they can do though, no matter the circumstances being stacked against us. It's not easy, that.

Hoping/wishing/sending out good energies, love and understanding for us all. And may the days when all will finally be truly well with the greater world at large, with freedom, peace, liberty, etc., being the wonderful, new reality for us all come soon on the horizon.

[Mike Gorman]

Answering this post is very difficult for me: I am an 'organic Egalitarian' by nature. Since my earliest memories of being conscious I have been aware of a 'Struggle', it seems I have been fighting against external forces since my toddlerhood!
This might be my genetic heritage, I have a lot of Irish & Welsh in my background; this maybe accounts for my ornery stubborn streak.
Educating myself has been a major impulse, I have always sought out knowledge, reading very widely of Science, Engineering, but also being drawn to spiritual topics and explanation for existence.
I hated school.
I tolerated University and gained a degree, not without turbulence, or struggle either!
My own personal journey has always been of paramount focus, I have conceded to surviving by going along with the social demands.
Types of people:

While I do not like to admit this, there do seem to be different 'species' within the human family: but only 3 types?
I suspect there are hybrids and variations!

Definitely there are two distinct types when it comes to society as a whole:
1. Those who accept their social world as being the confines of reality
2.Those who know there is a whole universe out there, and that our journey is a part of a much larger story, and think beyond only human concerns.
I need to think more about this, you have opened an interesting box here Bill!

[Vicus]

there is nothing new under the sun:

Somatics, Psychics, & Pneumatics

There are three grades of human spirits which gnostics have categorized throughout time. If you are just beginning to read gnostic texts these terms can make you quite dizzy, as they are tossed about liberally and poetically. Here are some general definitions to make your journey easier.


https://gnostic-unrest.blogspot.com/2009/12/somatics-psychics-pneumatics.html

[RMF808]

Can’t you see that it’s all perfect? Just one actor playing all these different roles. It’s difficult for the human brain to comprehend but “What if you DID sign up for this? What if you are so caught in the role of the character that you have forgotten that you are the actor, not the character?

Most religions that I’m aware of believe that their creators are EVERYTHING.

This is how the bible puts it;
“ And God says, “I am the lord and there is none else. I form the light and create the darkness. I make peace and create evil. I, the lord, do all these things.”

There is no “they”, it’s all “I”

But for now, I’ll play along with you.

The bible is man-made grrrr

For now, my purpose is like that if the bodhi satva, none of us make it til we all make it. However, that isn’t going to happen during this “role” so for now, I am a #4 (Dolores Cannon Volunteer) who has come to be attempt #3 quickly leading to a #1. Fighting those #2s recruiting as many #3s that want to play with us.

Progress? You tell me.

In deep meditation I have seen that this has been ongoing since almost the beginning of time. Just after the 2nd osmotic split of Creator.

Trends are ^v^v. Harmonic oscillation.

What I expected to find here was myself in all of you. As well as my own expression with respect to yours.

ETs are with us occupying the quantum realm that we have trouble getting to as if we are the garden and they are the farmers. Allowing us to grow in nature but intervening when absolutely necessary such as when a pest becomes to overpopulated or the plants begin to develop undesirable traits.

I, RMF808, am here as a grid keeper to help all of us reach telepathy, astral projection, remote viewing and OBEs. There we can communicate with our spirit guides, past lives, loved ones no longer in this realm and especially our higher selves.The human brain can go places where technology cannot. We are quantum & beyond.

Come play with me in Guided Brain Hemisphere synchronization, Worldwide Group Meditations, Free Energy sessions & Let’s Climb Together.All threads I have begun here on Project Avalon (Mahalo Bill Ryan) Its time to share what we have learned on our individual journeys up this mountain known as LIFE.

WE > I

[Digit]

#1) A comparative minority (though still probably numbering many tens of millions) of aware, awake, attuned, sensitive, very conscious people with (a) a great sense of empathy for Planet Earth and all things natural, and (b) a great sense of bewilderment about what the heck is happening here and why.

And many of those have significant spiritual abilities, in various stages of activation. (Some may still be dormant, but those people will still feel very strongly that they have some sense of spiritual purpose — though they might not know what it is.)

#2) A more sizeable minority that is only attuned to power, money, control, manipulation, greed, and is (at least) insensitive to all things natural. And a smaller subset of those are (a) pathological, and (b) running almost everything on the planet in terms of administration, politics, finance and corporate business.

#3) A majority of what J.K. Rowling called 'Muggles'. I don't use that as a derogatory term; it's just another simplistic label. A 'Muggle' in Harry Potter's world is simply a regular person who has no magical abilities — as the first group absolutely has (and which the second group tries to suppress or destroy), and which the elite members of the second group have in 'black' form, often to a significant extent.

The spiritual battle is #1 vs #2. And it's age-old, inasmuch as members of each group recognize one another, reunite, form bonds and kinships, and this is just the latest battleground. And often, they recognize their enemies.




Threats (new information contrary) to the world view of the tribe identified with, can take someone from considerate calm epistemic cognition and truth seeking mode, to social dominance survivor mode... type 1 and 3, become type 2.

This may indicate there are easier better mends.

Or maybe that's wrong and they are rotters more unchangeable, and we should just forsake reality to them, or try to defeat them by becoming them... Heh. No.

Best to just not identify with (")your(") world view.