Off planet entities: Friends or foes? Negotiate or not?

[East Sun]

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

On one side of the equation:
The Amazon forests are being destroyed, at a very fast pace.
Oceans are polluted to the detriment of sea life.
We have been dumbed down for a long time in so many ways, food, water, air
as in chemtrails, nano-particles and who knows what else.
And now we are being exterminated in millions and soon in billions. This is genocide
of humans. There are Fauci, Gates and their ilk who may be being controlled by ???
Maybe there is a big difference between the super rich Globalists and the Fauci/Gates upstarts.

On the other side there are off planet entities that we know very little about. We see them in the skies very often. In the past and now they have given warnings to US military and others to cease manufacture of Nuclear weapons that could really destroy our Earth. Either they want to save us or prevent us from destroying the Earth that they want for themselves.

We know that they are far more advanced than us. We would have no chance of defeating them. Govts and military people do the only thing they know how to do,
fight against them and deceive the public.

Better to make friends with them and negotiate and share in their cleaned up advanced Earth. They know that there are only a small percentage of humans that would be aware enough to negotiate with them. That seems to be the only way for us to go.

Your thoughts please!

[s7e6e]

I believe population control is a necessary action when the balance of the entire ecosystem is at stake. Not through violence, but through policies meant to prevent disastrous outcomes. Education in this matter, plays a quintessential role.

So, assuming that we are indeed 8 billion souls endangering the ecosystem, I can at least understand the reasons why our farmers push so hard to poison us as quickly as possible. It makes sense, given this simple equation.

What doesn't make sense however is the push to destroy nature too. Every policy, law or government recommendation is engineered to destroy our waters, our soil, our air, our biodiversity. Our DNA.

If an alien race would need a sterile territory, it would be far more desirable to manufacture it. If they would need a biosphere (or a bioplane or whatever shape our world is) why destroy it? If they want it destroyed, why taking the longest possible route?

Is "killing softly" an exception from the rule of universal karma? Because it is dead obvious this attack on us the people and our home, is coordinated.

[East Sun]

We have allowed the greediest of our species pollute our environment almost irreparably. Govts went
along with that, Also the environmental protection agency did nothing. That is supposed to be their job.

As a specious we deserve to pay for our greed. But the common person has no power and can not be blamed.
It gets complicated the more we think about it.

[Delight]

The main issue IMO is War. If we could live in a way that war ceases to exist, then the systems that are based on war disappear. This is the mystery of all mysteries... that we have primarily faith in war which undoes ANY evolutionary process. Think of all that we might BE with forgetting war. I am so deeply embedded with this construct that contemplation is really hard. I have to let the picture be blank and try to FEEL what this might be for me.

I feel that humans are always engaged with feeling vulnerable. interpersonal relationship frightens first because we do not have TRUST deeply embedded. People are dangerous at some deep level when unconscious because of unleashed energy. War is fed ONLY by individuals who agree, then collecting. The battle field is sprayed with blood and mass psychic energy. On the level of war, the whole scheme seems to be about discharging massive energies.

Anger is a significant emotion that could channel feeling invulnerable. Being vulnerable feels demoralized. Something kicked off and was channeled into a whole system to punish FIRST genuine feeling of anger then introducing suppression and projection. Fear and defense are in my bones. So, how may we forget WAR? How may I forget WAR ever existed? Or existed and is no longer operating? I do not know yet.

[ExomatrixTV]

I believe population control is a necessary action when the balance of the entire ecosystem is at stake. Not through violence, but through policies meant to prevent disastrous outcomes. Education in this matter, plays a quintessential role.

So, assuming that we are indeed 8 billion souls endangering the ecosystem, I can at least understand the reasons why our farmers push so hard to poison us as quickly as possible. It makes sense, given this simple equation.

What doesn't make sense however is the push to destroy nature too. Every policy, law or government recommendation is engineered to destroy our waters, our soil, our air, our biodiversity. Our DNA.

If an alien race would need a sterile territory, it would be far more desirable to manufacture it. If they would need a biosphere (or a bioplane or whatever shape our world is) why destroy it? If they want it destroyed, why taking the longest possible route?

Is "killing softly" an exception from the rule of universal karma? Because it is dead obvious this attack on us the people and our home, is coordinated.




We are NOT "overpopulated" for so many reasons ... (international) mismanagement is one of them!

If humanity were not unnecessary attacked on their health on sooooooo many levels last decades (including erratic pulsed microwaves) and real (revolutionary) solutions (suppressed inventions) not be criminalized, silenced or covered up.

~ Imagine a farmer crippling its livestock then "complaining" they do not walk fast enough!


Part of humanity is destined to go to (live on) other planets thus making more space here anyway! ... How many different aliens are already interacting with us and could help us not staying on Earth? Just like a flower seeding elsewhere ...


Earth can do the same but the Psychopathic Technocrats (control freaks) do everything in their power to sabotage that to keep us here (mentally, emotionally & physically) sick, compromised & enslaved on purpose to have a EXCUSE to claim we are "overpopulated".

Almost all natural solutions are dismissed by so called "international authorities" (like W.H.O.) we all being forced in to Agenda 2030 to be artificially micro-managed serving The Great (Dystopian) Reset. All who can expose their false "justifications" for their Tyranny will be dealt with via new insane (unconstitutional) laws & regulations enforced by other slaves helping the status quo.

"The end justifies the means" ... they will use ANY EXCUSE to push their tyrannical dystopian agenda and the (false perception) "overpopulation bomb" is one of them.

--o-O-o--

We live in a world where we have Hijacked Governments legalizing (protecting) Corporate Crimes and Criminalizing Real Solutions like:

~ Suppressed Inventions
~ HEMP Revolution
~ Forbidden Cures
~ Study amongst others the Documentary "When Healing Becomes a Crime".

Do you know they can turn a Desert in to an Oases using "Super Absorbers" small pallets mixing it in the earth then use fewer than normal water to start farming?

Do you know they can now convert Seawater in to Drinking water in a cheap way?

In coming decades humans (not with help from aliens) can build 100s of (hurricane proof) giant self-sustainable floating cities and 2/3 of Earth is covered with water ... any idea how much space/room that is? If official CONTACT with Aliens are made 1000s of new ideas are possible to build new cities. I ask you again how big is 2/3 of the Earth? "Not enough space"? ... Did you know that Australia or The State Texas can manage 7 Billion people with the correct (suppressed) technology?

There are 100s of practical solutions IF we all were managed more honestly we would not have ANY problems feeding everybody. Now most farmers are punished & attacked by UN Food rules (intensives, mandates, insane food regulations etc. etc.) all to serve a Worldwide PUSH for Toxic GMO Food Agenda! (obvious part of NWO Depopulation Agenda).

We are "managed" by corrupt & insane psychopaths when it comes to food. And it is global.

Study: corrupt Codex Alimentarius run by over the top control freaks!

See also: overpopulationisamyth.com (http://overpopulationisamyth.com)

Related: tinyurl.com/ClimateScare-Agenda2030 (http://tinyurl.com/ClimateScare-Agenda2030)

cheers,
John Kuhles

[ExomatrixTV]

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[s7e6e]

So, assuming that we are indeed 8 billion souls endangering the ecosystem

That's why I started the idea with "assuming". We just have no idea how many are we, but I'm 100% with you on mismanagement of resources and suppressed technologies that could sustain 100 more people on this planet.

[Patient]

Look at the size of Canada - OK, not all of it is easily habitable. But our population is lower than New York state.

There is plenty of land and resources.

If ET wanted us gone, we would be gone already.

Uncontrolled capitalism is ruining the planet. The over production of plastic and oil.

We fight amongst ourselves.

These things are simple enough, but greed and power corrupts.

Are major players with money being controlled?

Bad ETs messing with them? Are we the pawns of an ET war?

Sorry - I seem to always have the questions but few real answers.

[Craig]

As it currently stands, all I can determine is that man is not entitled to be at the top of the chain, absolute power and all that jazz, we are not yet fit to lead and still have much much to learn, possibly to late for this incarnation, and i don't want to be around for the next.

[East Sun]

I think we have been stymied at every part of our journey through our current civilization and never
really known enough freedom to be creative in a way that would accelerate us to greatness.

WE need to find out who or what has prevented us from gaining full potential and put a stop to
any entity that keeps us shackled as we have been and still are.

Where do we even begin. Things are starting to turn to a positive direction I believe but we need to do
anything and everything we can.

There is light that is brightening the immediate future.

Let it shine.

[Tyy1907]

We can't forget we're still here. There's still time and it seems hopeless because on the strict human level it is. There are forces aligned against us far superior technologically. This is why we need high level help summoned by us and us alone. We're the head honchos of this planet but it's been hijacked and to balance it out we NEED to make outreach to the higher realms.

These ET's live for hundreds and some for thousands of years so time to them is unrelatable. They have souls like us so they go back to the light like us but since they live for thousands of years they become corrupted more deeply. This is their downfall and they only get joy from showing power over others. It seems backwards but there is a higher purpose in this all.

[Free Thinker]

I believe there are both good and bad ET's/aliens/off-worlders, whatever you wanna call them. Perhaps we ourselves are part-alien, and we don't even know it? There has been a lot of interest in our planet by otherworldly beings not of Earth and where it is ultimately heading, toward Utopia or Dystopia, based on things I've been reading.

I really do think we're going to need outside help (and lots of it) in order to get through this, in addition to help from within our own people. Whether that be angels and other higher-dimensional beings, good ET's, good-aligned people on this Earth, both military, government and/or religious/spiritual, and regular citizen alike, etc.

No doubt, something big is coming on the horizon. The real question is: will we be ready for it when it does arrive?

As always, feel free to disagree with me and state your own opinion, be it factual, semi-factual, or just pure uninhibited musings/thoughts with little, if any true evidence to back them up. This is a safe space for us all to say what we want, as long as we keep respectful and tolerant of other viewpoints, no matter how strange or "far-fetched" they may seem.

[East Sun]

Tyy1907

How do you know they have souls? There are countless types so
maybe some do and others don't or maybe none do.

But it really does not matter. If they are benevolent, meaning the ones we
would like to make friends with, that is what would be most important.

I wonder if they have contacted certain chosen people in some way either without
the person knowing consciously or in dreams or in person while fully awake.

[Tyy1907]

The Greys who carry out the bulk of abductions do not have souls as they're advanced biological robots but the rest of the players are soul based beings. This is info from getwisdom.com that I feel is trustworthy. Go with your gut.

[Mark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXDeZ3Ev78g

They know and see all that is going on down here. The different factions are well aware of our divides, as well as who is doing the dividing. As above, so below. When the time comes, I know that all will come clear to those who are able to access the higher knowing necessary to be able to communicate effectively with civilizations that have potentially created us and watched us and shepherded us since the dawn of Terran human beginnings.

We have the technology to make the earth a paradise. What is missing is the lynchpin of collective will, hierarchical responsiveness to the desires of the planetary body of humans. One aspect of governmental detachment that must shift, as the systems must, in order to be truly responsive to what the planet herself wants, as well as what we, one part of her consciousness, want as an oceanic humanity, as well.

[Free Thinker]

Tyy1907

How do you know they have souls? There are countless types so
maybe some do and others don't or maybe none do.

But it really does not matter. If they are benevolent, meaning the ones we
would like to make friends with, that is what would be most important.

I wonder if they have contacted certain chosen people in some way either without
the person knowing consciously or in dreams or in person while fully awake.

In order for something/someone to be good, would strongly suggest the presence of a soul. Failing that, at least a conscious. Not to be confused with consciousness/awareness. Not the same thing at all. Of course, one could also easily argue that evil is either one of two things; perhaps both (see below). Collectively speaking, not individually. Hard to say.

One, they have souls, but are completely dark and corrupted souls, as opposed to the natural state of the soul being light and purity. They may or may not have a conscious, although in all likelihood they have chucked having a conscious out the door, but still have a soul, albeit a sick and diseased one.

Or two, they are completely and utterly soulless and with no conscious whatever. Whether something soulless could ever develop a conscious is highly debatable, and what the ratio likelihood of that might even be.

Something that's soulless would simply have a gaping void inside them, a sucking vacuum that feels nothing. A dark and corrupted one would likely feel emotions, but only of the bad type, ie: hate, anger, rage, jealousy, etc., without any ability to feel love, joy, peace, compassion, etc. Though I could very well be wrong (and probably am), as there are most likely one too many exceptions to even remotely fathom here.

I would think those that are higher-level functioning ET's would fit into category number 1. These being the Orionids, Reptilians, etc. Whereas the Grays (and possibly others) might very well fit into category number 2. The Pleiadians from what I've read (and some others) are soulful, and of the light and purity type.

Just some thoughts to share with you all.

[East Sun]

I believe that it is possible for highly intelligent and knowaligable entities to be fair and benevolent
when they are superior and not endangered in any way. Soul might not be a part of their makeup.

[East Sun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXDeZ3Ev78g

I agree. overpopulation is a myth.


We have the technology to make the earth a paradise. What is missing is the lynchpin of collective will, hierarchical responsiveness to the desires of the planetary body of humans. One aspect of governmental detachment that must shift, as the systems must, in order to be truly responsive to what the planet herself wants, as well as what we, one part of her consciousness, want as an oceanic humanity, as well.

Over population is a myth.

Depopulation is for a different reason.

It's the globalists solution to their agenda of control of all people.

They are afraid of loosing their status as top of the societal hierarchy.

[Tyy1907]

Benevolents are out there absolutely they're just not here presently. The ones in and around earth are sadly manipulators. They're planning a coming out party and disclosure is paving the way for them. They're going to sell us they've outgrown the need for war and offer to run our world for us. If we say yes it won't be good. They are the "Nordics" as they've been termed cleverly. They've mastered their own genomes and live for thousands of years. They are actually Arcturian in origin. They created the Grey beings who work tirelessly for them day and night. There are others as well in alliance with them.

[East Sun]

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[East Sun]

[QUOTE=s7e6e;1422913]I believe population control is a necessary action when the balance of the entire ecosystem is at stake. Not through violence, but through policies meant to prevent disastrous outcomes. Education in this matter, plays a quintessential role.

So, assuming that we are indeed 8 billion souls endangering the ecosystem, I can at least understand the reasons why our farmers push so hard to poison us as quickly as possible. It makes sense, given this simple equation.

[Quote] ... reasons why our farmers push so hard to poison us as quickly as possible.... [Quote]

"May I ask why you say that"?

[Free Thinker]

I believe that it is possible for highly intelligent and knowaligable entities to be fair and benevolent
when they are superior and not endangered in any way. Soul might not be a part of their makeup.

*shrugs*

Whether or not the soul or spirit is the same thing or if the spirit is higher than the soul, or some other myriad set of possibilities...

Who really knows? I am just speculating is all...

Or if ET's/non-Earthers have different rule sets when it comes to the concept of souls, spirits, divine essences, or the like, depending on species, moral alignment, galactic origin, etc.

Or maybe they all just draw from a huge cosmic hat and switch the rules out every Tuesday for a different one to get various sets of other soulful/non-soulful/semi-soulful experiences...

And that hat runs deep, just sayin'.

Kidding.... :P

[East Sun]

How would we determine if an entity or a species of some off world aliens were to be trusted?

It would not be like checking to see if a group of humans were to be trusted.

We would have to come up with a test, but they could read our minds, so we would have to be trustworthy
and observe them continually.

We would have to be totally honest and have an agreement with them to have a long trial period so both sides
could learn to be above reproach.

If things worked out well we could take it from there. It would have to be fair and even with no side
having the upper hand.

[Hermoor]

but they could read our minds

Yeah. But we can read their minds too.

Or at least some of us can.

Just sayin'. :sun:

[Tommy Roxx]

I've always thought that the off planet presence was a mixture of friends, foes, curious observers who don't really care about or mind humans, and those with motives we can't understand. I think a mistake a lot of people (me included) make is thinking that these beings even think in a way similar to us. Their way of existence and relating to the universe around them could be so foreign to us that no one on this planet has even come close to understanding; "could be" being the key phrase there. I've also always thought that those who have interfered with our nukes may be doing it for some selfish reason that doesn't have anything to do with the planet but has more to do with something we don't know about or understand like tearing through the fabric of space, or maybe some other detrimental effect from the fallout of all that man made radiation traveling through space. Either way, I'm glad they're here to do it and hope they always do interfere with/ stop nukes.
This is a super interesting topic but I doubt we will ever know the truth. How could we honestly really believe anything anyone from 'out there ' would ever tell us? You can't even go by intuition, they could understand all about human's intuition and have technology to manipulate it ( for example). Honest and truthful or not I really hope some friendly ones show themselves in a big way during my lifetime.

[East Sun]

Yes, Tommy,

I read recently someone's hypothesis that the OW Order were behind what we see in the sky. That was interesting to hear
about and makes a lot of sense. They want total control and have been working toward that goal forever.
One great thing about "them" is they "have" to let us know what they are going to do usually very clandestinely.

We are more aware than we have ever been so I believe that their time is short. Glad to know that.

On the other hand as I said earlier, there are the real off planet entities that I hope are in our best interest. We live in very
interesting times. Maybe if we did make contact with the real entities we could convince them to take the globalists including
Fauci and Gates and a few others someplace off planet and leave them there.

How about that for an idea, ha, ha.