Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

[thepainterdoug]

Im curious how Biden supporters feel since Trump was removed.

How is Biden and Co doing? Can you site some improvements some examples ?

I know his first moves were to undo everything Trump with a ton of E Orders

Are things better now? if so, how?

thanks
pd

[Donald Ryan]

While I am reluctant to get into any heavy political discussions here, I would suggest that it is way to early to make judgement calls regarding any new administration or ruling party, no matter where your sympathies or loyalties are. I think the test of time will tell.
Cheers!

[section9]

I generally think of Biden, as I do most Presidents since the Coup d’etat Of 1963, as Errand Boys for the Ruling Elite, or for a faction thereof. Ike and Kennedy were the last two independent actors.

JMHO. Not sure “how he’s doing” is the right question to ask, but will accept its generosity of spirit.

[thepainterdoug]

Don

you can say how you think hes doing so far? he has made decisions and signed E Orders. I know we will need to wait for the complete review.

[Satori]

Biden is a demented idiot. He is not the POTUS. Harris is not the VP. They have no loyalty to this country if they ever did. To call them traitors to the USA would be a misnomer at best.

The current so-called administration is totally illegitimate at every level and in every sense and all persons in this "administration" are acting without any legitimate constitutional or other lawful authority and as complete usurpers. All while they attempt to dismantle this Republic at the behest of their handlers.

[thepainterdoug]

Satori/ yes. agreed. but It would be informative and interesting to hear from the Biden supporters / voters their feedback

[Gracy]

Satori/ yes. agreed. but It would be informative and interesting to hear from the Biden supporters / voters their feedback

You may need to pop on over to The One Truth forum to find them. :)

[thepainterdoug]

Hi Gracie. is that in jest or a real place? dont know.

Regardless, I didnt ask about truth, so I dont think it is relevant. I asked how the Biden supporters are feeling bout things so far.How he and Kamala are doing? There must be an opinion?

[iota]

Biden is a demented idiot. He is not the POTUS. Harris is not the VP. They have no loyalty to this country if they ever did. To call them traitors to the USA would be a misnomer at best.

The current so-called administration is totally illegitimate at every level and in every sense and all persons in this "administration" are acting without any legitimate constitutional or other lawful authority and as complete usurpers. All while they attempt to dismantle this Republic at the behest of their handlers.

couldn't agree more ...

i can show video and proofs to substantiate

[Gracy]

Hi Gracie. is that in jest or a real place? dont know.

Regardless, I didnt ask about truth, so I dont think it is relevant. I asked how the Biden supporters are feeling bout things so far.How he and Kamala are doing? There must be an opinion?

My bad Doug, kind of assumed most regulars around here knew of that break away forum split up from this one several years ago. I'm not advertising, just pointing out it's a real place with a real local history.
https://jandeane81.com/forum.php

I wasn't jesting, TOT is as blue as Avalon is red. I doubt very seriously you'll find any Biden supporters here.

[iota]

Satori/ yes. agreed. but It would be informative and interesting to hear from the Biden supporters / voters their feedback

you're a good man Doug, but when TRUTH will be the missing ingredient and absent from opinions of those sadly decieved

its like asking opinion on the the works of the Easter Bunny for those that still believe ...

personally, i find it hard to be interested in hearing how deceived, the deceived are

it won't be "interesting" ... morel ike, sad

and i would have compassion perhaps if it were NOT for the fact that their compliance in that deception is currently destroying a great nation and country i love

just can't in good faith encourage it in any way ...

but God love you for trying Doug

[thepainterdoug]

Gracie Thanks but thats amazing!! No Biden supporters on a forum that is so open to everything? To E T Ufos, the psychotropic substances? to music and arts and vegan and all kinds of out there stuff as well???
These are all things liberal! These are all things thought of as against the tight narrow constrictions of a conservative .
i always thought this was a liberal place!

or is there another reason?

[thepainterdoug]

Iota
i understand. But I want to hear it. I want to be educated. to learn how things have improved ?

[Patient]

Well, if they couldn't see clearly before they were not in office, I don't expect that many will see what's going on now. Sadly, they will hear "Oh look at what Trump did." and it will be accepted.

I am not in the U.S. so I don't see the effects of the economy, covid, etc, first hand. But another point of view is how the U.S. now appears to the other countries - the leadership looks weak. It is inviting challenge and this is emboldening other countries to make moves that they would normally not. The simplest example - look at the people running across the border. What a change from the previous administration and what message does that give?

[Delight]

I doubt very seriously you'll find any Biden supporters here.

With all due respect, please explain HOW one could be a Biden supporter? He is demented, corrupt and his ownership by Ukraine is clear. His running mate is horrible in every way and is a globalist with no emotional ties to US. It is so pathetic to me. People were herded to the pen by pure "No TRUMP" neurosis. I feel so sad. All who were complicit will be in the pen too.

[Gracy]

I doubt very seriously you'll find any Biden supporters here.

With all due respect, please explain HOW one could be a Biden supporter?

I wasn't even dipping my toes in those waters Delight, just reporting objective observation.

Mod hat on:

Doug is looking for possible insight from Joe Biden supporters, not anti Biden rants.

[Bill Ryan]

TOT is as blue as Avalon is red.Many people still don't fully understand that Avalon members are predominantly libertarians.

'Red' and 'blue' are simplistic labels which barely apply in any worthwhile current discussion about major issues like freedom, censorship, the imposition of new social norms by law, and so on.

:focus:

[Spellbound]

Biden is a puppet for the Deep State (and China), imo.

Dave - Toronto

[thepainterdoug]

people voted for him. and some of those people are here on this forum. im not trying to put them on trial, i would just love to know if its turning out like they wanted? like they expected?

if theres a case for some good in it all, please share with me and if there isnt, well then the silence will speak for itself

[s7e6e]

US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.

[Justplain]

I am not American. It seems to me that Biden's foreign policy has largely followed much the same path as before, atleast talking the talk, for instance China is considered a threat in the South China Sea and in Taiwan. However, it is the posturing over the Ukraine and Russia that might prove to be a pivot to a more aggressive situation, harkening back to killary's rhetoric during the 2016 election. There was also just a dust up with Iran.

So, my guess is that if the cabal doesn't get enough traction for world domination through the covid scamdemic, which appears may be the case, then the next step would be an international military conflict. Three fronts are being primed. It took 8 months after g.w. Bush took office for them to pull off 9/11. In a similar time frame we could see the next phase of another attempt at the great reset possibly with a nuclear war.

[Andre]

US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.

Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!

[Free Thinker]

I had voted for Biden in the recent election process, and did once support him. Now, I don't know what to think about him or anything else to do with related government/political matters.

[Bill Ryan]

US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.

Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!Referring to posts which have been shared publicly in recent weeks or months, Mark/Rahkyt (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6754-Mark-Rahkyt) and Praxis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?925-Praxis) told us they'd voted for Biden, and 42 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?965-42), Fellow Aspirant (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?7223-Fellow-Aspirant) and mijatoca (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?19481-mijatoca) have stated they're Biden supporters, though they didn't vote as they're all Canadian. There were a few more, but I believe most or all have become inactive since the election.

[Frankie Pancakes]

Lets see.

He is trying his best to destroy small ranching and farming because no body does it better than ConAgra.

He is carrying on trying valiantly to deal with all that pesky CO2 in the air.

Do we really need an armed populace?? Anyone with a brain can see that just has a bad ending.

He is doing his best to house the influx at the border.

He wants a strong middle class to help meet the needs of the upper and lower ones.

Inflation is under control because his crew is using the newest best accounting methods.

He’s a family guy so he is working on a new vision for that.

Hes has shown us that dementia is no barrier to greatness.

I could list a hundred more but do not want to hog all of his accomplishments or dreams.

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks Frankie Pan. appreciate your making a list

[Pam]

Lets see.

He is trying his best to destroy small ranching and farming because no body does it better than ConAgra.

He is carrying on trying valiantly to deal with all that pesky CO2 in the air.

Do we really need an armed populace?? Anyone with a brain can see that just has a bad ending.

He is doing his best to house the influx at the border.

He wants a strong middle class to help meet the needs of the upper and lower ones.

Inflation is under control because his crew is using the newest best accounting methods.

He’s a family guy so he is working on a new vision for that.

Hes has shown us that dementia is no barrier to greatness.

I could list a hundred more but do not want to hog all of his accomplishments or dreams.

Let's not forget that the "big guy" is a very successful international businessman, just look to Ukraine if you need proof...teeheeeheee. Not to mention what a great dad he is.

[Open Minded Dude]

Hi Gracie. is that in jest or a real place? dont know.

Regardless, I didnt ask about truth, so I dont think it is relevant. I asked how the Biden supporters are feeling bout things so far.How he and Kamala are doing? There must be an opinion?

My bad Doug, kind of assumed most regulars around here knew of that break away forum split up from this one several years ago. I'm not advertising, just pointing out it's a real place with a real local history.
https://jandeane81.com/forum.php

I wasn't jesting, TOT is as blue as Avalon is red. I doubt very seriously you'll find any Biden supporters here.

Wow, just had a very short look. That is like an alien planet for me.

[Donald Ryan]

I just think it is too early to pass judgement on anyone in such a short period of time. . .whether you support Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head or Dr. Suess. All people can do, at this point, is pass along their biases. Ask me in a year or two. . .

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I just think it is too early to pass judgement on anyone in such a short period of time. . .whether you support Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head or Dr. Suess. All people can do, at this point, is pass along their biases. Ask me in a year or two. . .

Oh I can pass judgement today! I see how many people are flooding across our southern border, freely. Saying Biden invited them. I did not invite them to trample my fences, run cars through my gates, kill my livestock and attempt to steal from me. Biden did. The US is no longer a sovereign nation, she has open borders. She is waiting to see which country will come in and take over.

[thepainterdoug]

Doesn't it sound reasonable that all these illegals pouring in should be bussed to the democrats homes and properties to live and hang out there?

Doesn't this make sense? Nancy Pelosi's big fridge can hold lots of ice cream for them. But no , never! It will never effect these people with their gated communities, home security and walls around their property .Same with the limousine liberal Hollywood elite. They all have cameras and borders but the rest of the country has to deal with their hypocritical policies .
And guns are part of our constitution and bill of rights, mainly to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. And for good reason

[ExomatrixTV]

Dutch rhetorical question:

If Biden is alleged to be so "popular" now ... why did he lost so many presidential elections for decades ... and everything is documented WHERE he failed over and over ... and why.

The "anything but Trump" logic does not fly as more Latinos and more African Americans voted for Trump than the previous election.

Not to mention that Biden has never had a real big pro-active social-media platforms compared to Trump!

cheers,
John

[Gracy]

The "anything but Trump" logic does not fly as more Latinos and more African Americans voted for Trump than the previous election.

It certainly was "anything but Trump" John, they just weren't vocal about it out on the streets like their rivals.

If you want to get an idea, just consider how fervently Trump supporters hate democrats. Turn that on it's ear and that's how fervently democrats hate Trump and company.

[ExomatrixTV]

The "anything but Trump" logic does not fly as more Latinos and more African Americans voted for Trump than the previous election.

It certainly was "anything but Trump" John, they just weren't vocal about it out on the streets like their rivals.

If you want to get an idea, just consider how fervently Trump supporters hate democrats. Turn that on it's ear and that's how fervently democrats hate Trump and company.

In my humble view there are much more "anything but Biden" (who were silent and voted for Trump!) than "anything but Trump" people.

Among others: WalkAway Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WalkAway_campaign) and how CNN is exposed caught lying multiple times over and over ... big time!


Even part of the original Democrats were sick & tired of the daily anti trump propaganda from CNN 24/7 who lost contract with all Airports!

cheers,
John


twitter.com/hashtag/walkaway (https://twitter.com/hashtag/walkaway)

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[amor]

Thank you Mr Pancakes for that nice list of Biden successes, and Douggie dearest for another direct hit. I am still laughing.

[Spindoctor]

It is remarkable how the absolute blizzard of lies, fraud, deception, diversion and evasion ended with trump deposed. Justice still awaits the enablers who lined their pockets under his reign and those who paid for, oversaw and directed the insurrection., but there needs to be an enquiry into murdoch and conservative media who continue to profit from outright lies, bias, fabricated and smear campaigns without accountability. Free speech doesn't mean there can be no consequences for gerrymandering, rigging the electoral system and allowing and encouraging peoples deaths through deliberate negligence. Glad to see Murdoch has lost 30% of subscribers as the lied to wake up and flee. Texas has had immigrants crossing for how many decades yet its all Biden's fault? Why do these people send their famnilies and kids? US foreign meddling in those governments to support dictatorships and crooked corporations is a direct result. Biden has so far restored US international prestige & reputation and that 100 million plus have been vaccinated so fast after trumps incompetence shows a remarkable, world leading turnaround. That Biden is pushing ahead wih a minimum $15 wage, will finally work on essential gun control to stop your insanity of mass killings, promote free healthcare, education and fsar greater spending on public housing is breathtaking. Some media are already stating Biden will be one of the greatest ever presidents if he can somehow change the systemic racism, poverty, inequality and have the guts to take on and cower unrestrained nil tax paying corporations. American prospects are far better than under trump and world dictators and regimes are reminded of that. China's sabre rattling and aggressiveness towards Taiwan is an ongoing threat. Americas's inner division fomented by GOP, billionaire backers Fox and other propaganda poses a far greater domestic terrorism.

[Gracy]

but there needs to be an enquiry into murdoch and conservative media who continue to profit from outright lies, bias, fabricated and smear campaigns without accountability.

There's none of this from the neoliberal Left like say, MSNBC?

3 straight years of Russiagate from the likes of Rachel Maddow comes to mind. It's all about ratings and profit no matter which side of the great divide the situation is viewed from, they're all preaching to their walled off viewership faithful.

No?

[iota]

It certainly was "anything but Trump" John, they just weren't vocal about it out on the streets like their rivals.

If you want to get an idea, just consider how fervently Trump supporters hate democrats Turn that on it's ear and

that's how fervently democrats hate Trump and company.


HATE


pretty strong emotion there

so THAT is what "felt" SO awful in your derisive, sarcastic CONTINUOUS posts on the Trump threads

and yet i noticed the immediate use of "mods hat" here to SHUT DOWN and SHUT UP someone expressing what was NOTHING akin to a "rant"

ANOTHER strong emotion emphasis, btw ~ again COMPLETELY UNWARRANTED and inaccurate

AS is your assertion that Trump supporters HATE Democrats

i personally continuously cleanse myself of emotions, frequencies and vibrations WAY LESS DARK and NEGATIVE than HATE


not my cup of TEA

however, TRUTH is
and FREEDOM

particularly FREEDOM as in SOVEREINGTY

and it isn't just because i am a woman that i believe

MY BODY MY CHOICE

i just don't want to be "muzzled" like a dog

or told to "STAY"

more specifically we LOVE the CONSTITUTION and the RIGHTS it affords us
and we do NOT take kindly (still a far cry from HATE) to DEPRIVATION of said RIGHTS

and that would be the case irrespective of Trump





Mod hat on:

Doug is looking for possible insight from Joe Biden supporters, not anti Biden rants.

so since you made it such a point to follow the thread's intention?

is THAT what it will take to get you to submit to the SAME guidelines you are imposing as a "mod"?

though NOT in the thread title
in case the THOUSANDS of PRO TRUMP posts were somehow NOT understood to BE PRO TRUMP, allow me to be of service and inform you FORMALLY, for the sake of CLARITY and all

since YOU brought it up:

2020 AFTERMATH
MASSIVE FRAUD
Q ANNON

are ALL PRO TRUMP

and would greatly appreciate it if you would follow the SAME guideline

let me rephrase that:

I look forward to you following the SAME guidelines

YOU just demanded HERE

since it kills the threads ..

though i'm sure the "hatred" YOU stated "Democrats hold for Trump Supporters is just coincidental,

and NOT intended resultl right?

because what intelligent person could possibly predict such an outcome and all?

or never mind intelligent, let's just say a "reasonable" person ..?

thanks ...
:flower:



this is what i came to post when i came across Gracy's VERY non factual post which in NO way represented me or anyone i personally know

i have family that are democrats, the emotion i feel for them is LOVE, not HATE

i find her comment very disturbing and surprised no one reported it ...

https://d1cc0p6j4uj4n9.cloudfront.net/1f608b77-ab49-4ca1-97cc-d890442e017a/mp4/9dce79c2-adc8-4f31-b222-756800ea15d7_Mp4_Avc_Aac_16x9_1280x720p_30Hz_3.5Mbps_qvbr.mp4


https://d1cc0p6j4uj4n9.cloudfront.net/1f608b77-ab49-4ca1-97cc-d890442e017a/mp4/9dce79c2-adc8-4f31-b222-756800ea15d7_Mp4_Avc_Aac_16x9_1280x720p_30Hz_3.5Mbps_qvbr.mp4


here are some articles of Biden supporters who regret having voted for him:


Biden Voters Flood Twitter to Express Deep Regret


https://neonnettle.com/news/13983-biden-voters-flood-twitter-to-express-deep-regret

one early on:



Huge Percentage of Biden Voters Already Regret Their Vote


https://leftrightiq.com/2020/11/28/huge-percentage-of-biden-voters-already-regret-their-vote/


Poll finds some voters regret picking Biden after new revelations


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/24/joseph-r-biden-voters-experience-regret-after-new-/

to give you an idea of how widespread the sentiment of Biden supporter's regret




One in Six Biden Voters Regret Their Vote


https://dcwatchdog.com/one-in-six-biden-voters-regret-their-vote/


and now last night i saw this, which might provide additional insight as to the REGRET ...

oh .. NONE of it based on "HATE" though ...

Just FACTS ... like Satori, Karen, Patient, Delight etc stated

and one of those "Facts" is that we do NOT appreciate is this very obvious one no amount of pretense can continue to hide



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[Spindoctor]

No there is a massive pushback against home grown terrorism inciting propaganda.. which Fox and conservative media continues to do .. This is being called out for the racism, division and inequity it promotes. There is woreld wide revulsion at Murdoch and boycotts of all his products are growing. Just a sample of recent major media sticking it up Fox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJzylZfIjks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKx5TzW0URo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0cMtBA8lLg

and from CNN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53m4RlBzhOk

and from Australia ex prime minister Rudd on Murdoch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap_LuSQ5NSc

[Wansen]

Hi Gracie. is that in jest or a real place? dont know.

Regardless, I didnt ask about truth, so I dont think it is relevant. I asked how the Biden supporters are feeling bout things so far.How he and Kamala are doing? There must be an opinion?


.....I wasn't jesting, TOT is as blue as Avalon is red. I doubt very seriously you'll find any Biden supporters here.

Au contraire.

[TomKat]

The "anything but Trump" logic does not fly as more Latinos and more African Americans voted for Trump than the previous election.

It certainly was "anything but Trump" John, they just weren't vocal about it out on the streets like their rivals.

If you want to get an idea, just consider how fervently Trump supporters hate democrats. Turn that on it's ear and that's how fervently democrats hate Trump and company.

Ironic how Trump benefited from Hillary Hatred, and Biden benefited from Trump Hatred.

[pyrangello]

There should be a thread called , Why did you vote for Biden, and you are not allowed to refer to Trump in your answer? Whenever i asked that question to anybody before the election it was truly fascinating the answers, biden has been in public office 47 years, there surely has to be a list of accomplishments we all remember and would be the reason why you are voting for this politician?

What is another fascinating fact was how all the Biden campaign lawn signs disappeared within 2 days after the election,I mean they were all gone like nobody wanted you to know they supported Biden. And the Trump signs stayed up for the longest time and some are still up even now. Even trump flags are still flying at peoples homes. None of my friends that voted for Biden never mention his name at all when I see them, not one word.

[Chris Gilbert]

I don't know of too many Biden supporters on here. Might not seem like it from some of my posts, but I actually did vote for Trump in the previous election, not because I considered him a good option, but because I saw the push towards the Great Reset as a greater threat in the long term. I did however vote for democrat/Third party canditates in other positions such as the Senate to offer a counterbalance.

I can really only comment on the people on my Facebook friend list, as it's 95% liberal leaning on there. By and large they like how he is handing the pandemic and the stimulus, less so in regards to foreign entanglements like Saudi Arabia/Yemen. There are really only a few on there I know who are genuinely strong Biden fans, mostly they are just glad to not see Trumps tweets and rants any longer.

[thepainterdoug]

spindoctor, your post shows how two good people can see things so differently. Let me take one issue ,the gun issue first.

USA has the highest per capita gun number   90 out of 100 people own a firearms, we are number one in the world !
However, Socialist Honduras is the number one per capita murder rate in the world Socialist Honduras with their no guns law.

Out of some 200 nations listed for per capita murders,  USA comes in at around 90th Wow really? the most armed country is the 90th in murders?
So those 90 other countries, many socialist, with gun control,  by far outweigh USA in murders.

No Guns does not equate to no murders.  People kill people, not guns.
and if you take the guns away from the good law abiding citizens,
they will only be left in the hands of the criminal.

more to come

[Satori]

The "anything but Trump" logic does not fly as more Latinos and more African Americans voted for Trump than the previous election.

It certainly was "anything but Trump" John, they just weren't vocal about it out on the streets like their rivals.

If you want to get an idea, just consider how fervently Trump supporters hate democrats. Turn that on it's ear and that's how fervently democrats hate Trump and company.

Ironic how Trump benefited from Hillary Hatred, and Biden benefited from Trump Hatred.

The majority of the hatred towards HRC was real, despite MSM (in the broadest sense) efforts to downplay that. The majority of the hatred towards Trump was manufactured, because of MSM efforts to up-play that. Now we see MSM depict Biden as one who can do no wrong, just as it depicted, and continues to depict, Trump as one who can do no right. In matters political, as in most other aspects of society, perceptions are manufactured.

[ExomatrixTV]

Funny to see how easy some people use the word "hate" when some one fully disagrees with some-one else ... I see that assumption (interpretation) as projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection) as it shows how many can not deal/cope with solid criticism and probably "hate" themselves for it ... Nobody likes to be pointed at (y)our incompetence, gee some may even hate that aspect of themselves.... and assume it "must" be flawed or "lies" somehow ... then you have those who depend on so many beLIEved lies they have been spoon-fed all their lives.

I really do not mind anyone "correcting" me, if it is legit, and I will not call it "hate" https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/wink_animated.gif to shy away of my own shortcomings we all can have time to time.

Even the most perfect criticism can have some flawed assumptions ... I look for the difference in "intent" ... Some willingly deceive themselves without realizing it ... some use "white-watched lies" .... meaning: they believe the lies/deceptions to be true and when they would use a lie-detector test, they "PASS the test" because they sincerely believe the lies they are told. This is a deep rooted problem in our fragile society can happen on ALL sides >> but I tend to see it being much worse with Democrats for so many reasons they do not want to hear, hence call for mass censorship done by insecure (snowflake) Democrats.


For the record, am not from USA am Dutch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands).

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
April 29th , 2021

[Karen (Geophyz)]

It is remarkable how the absolute blizzard of lies, fraud, deception, diversion and evasion ended with trump deposed. Justice still awaits the enablers who lined their pockets under his reign and those who paid for, oversaw and directed the insurrection., but there needs to be an enquiry into murdoch and conservative media who continue to profit from outright lies, bias, fabricated and smear campaigns without accountability. Free speech doesn't mean there can be no consequences for gerrymandering, rigging the electoral system and allowing and encouraging peoples deaths through deliberate negligence. Glad to see Murdoch has lost 30% of subscribers as the lied to wake up and flee. Texas has had immigrants crossing for how many decades yet its all Biden's fault? Why do these people send their famnilies and kids? US foreign meddling in those governments to support dictatorships and crooked corporations is a direct result. Biden has so far restored US international prestige & reputation and that 100 million plus have been vaccinated so fast after trumps incompetence shows a remarkable, world leading turnaround. That Biden is pushing ahead wih a minimum $15 wage, will finally work on essential gun control to stop your insanity of mass killings, promote free healthcare, education and fsar greater spending on public housing is breathtaking. Some media are already stating Biden will be one of the greatest ever presidents if he can somehow change the systemic racism, poverty, inequality and have the guts to take on and cower unrestrained nil tax paying corporations. American prospects are far better than under trump and world dictators and regimes are reminded of that. China's sabre rattling and aggressiveness towards Taiwan is an ongoing threat. Americas's inner division fomented by GOP, billionaire backers Fox and other propaganda poses a far greater domestic terrorism.

I am curious what YOU would do, if you owned land, and invader from the south came to your house and wanted your stuff? Would YOU just roll over and give it to them? A country without secure borders is just a hunk of land. Biden is allowing these people to come here and steal from us. Just this morning I had 4 men come across my land, crossed a posted fence and were heading to my house. This is a daily occurrence here. They tear down fence, drive through gates and steal if they get the opportunity. I have lived here many years and have only had one of two people come wandering across. I keep a count....I have had 163 people since Biden opened the borders. Would you allow this to happen on property to worked hard to pay for and develop? I will not.

[jade]

I just think it is too early to pass judgement on anyone in such a short period of time. . .whether you support Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head or Dr. Suess. All people can do, at this point, is pass along their biases. Ask me in a year or two. . .

Oh I can pass judgement today! I see how many people are flooding across our southern border, freely. Saying Biden invited them. I did not invite them to trample my fences, run cars through my gates, kill my livestock and attempt to steal from me. Biden did. The US is no longer a sovereign nation, she has open borders. She is waiting to see which country will come in and take over.

These are human beings you’re talking about. Some pretty bigoted comments on here these days. I thought this was a forum for conscious people, not so anymore. Tribal, coddled minds. I really do worry more for the future when I see the ignorance and gathered among the ranks. Outta here

[ExomatrixTV]

It is remarkable how the absolute blizzard of lies, fraud, deception, diversion and evasion ended with trump deposed. Justice still awaits the enablers who lined their pockets under his reign and those who paid for, oversaw and directed the insurrection., but there needs to be an enquiry into murdoch and conservative media who continue to profit from outright lies, bias, fabricated and smear campaigns without accountability. Free speech doesn't mean there can be no consequences for gerrymandering, rigging the electoral system and allowing and encouraging peoples deaths through deliberate negligence. Glad to see Murdoch has lost 30% of subscribers as the lied to wake up and flee. Texas has had immigrants crossing for how many decades yet its all Biden's fault? Why do these people send their famnilies and kids? US foreign meddling in those governments to support dictatorships and crooked corporations is a direct result. Biden has so far restored US international prestige & reputation and that 100 million plus have been vaccinated so fast after trumps incompetence shows a remarkable, world leading turnaround. That Biden is pushing ahead wih a minimum $15 wage, will finally work on essential gun control to stop your insanity of mass killings, promote free healthcare, education and fsar greater spending on public housing is breathtaking. Some media are already stating Biden will be one of the greatest ever presidents if he can somehow change the systemic racism, poverty, inequality and have the guts to take on and cower unrestrained nil tax paying corporations. American prospects are far better than under trump and world dictators and regimes are reminded of that. China's sabre rattling and aggressiveness towards Taiwan is an ongoing threat. Americas's inner division fomented by GOP, billionaire backers Fox and other propaganda poses a far greater domestic terrorism.

@Spindoctor (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?24725-Spindoctor) did you write that yourself, or did you "mark copy paste" that from a different source? ...

... if so, please add source-link ... but if you wrote that yourself: CrapNewsNetwork (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4KdRYp5mwk) may want to hire you ;)

cheers,
John

[Journeyman]

I just think it is too early to pass judgement on anyone in such a short period of time. . .whether you support Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head or Dr. Suess. All people can do, at this point, is pass along their biases. Ask me in a year or two. . .

Oh I can pass judgement today! I see how many people are flooding across our southern border, freely. Saying Biden invited them. I did not invite them to trample my fences, run cars through my gates, kill my livestock and attempt to steal from me. Biden did. The US is no longer a sovereign nation, she has open borders. She is waiting to see which country will come in and take over.

These are human beings you’re talking about. Some pretty bigoted comments on here these days. I thought this was a forum for conscious people, not so anymore. Tribal, coddled minds. I really do worry more for the future when I see the ignorance and gathered among the ranks. Outta here

It's easy to sit on the moral high ground when it doesn't cost you anything to do so. We both live on an island, relatively sheltered from the turmoil that can occur when desperate people are moving en masse into a land. If you ever live on a border between a first and third world country however that disparity of income in itself is sufficient to pose many potential problems. Karen has already outlined her position, on her own miles from help with strangers entering her land and possibly posing a threat to her and her property. I don't detect any bigotry in her comments, just desperation at seeing her nation seemingly abandoning any responsibility in protecting the border on which she lives. Perhaps you could extend a little of your empathy for her. She's also a human being after all?

[Hym]

Wow....If you're leaving Jade I'd suggest an open dialogue, point by point, before you go.

I'll start here....Read her posts.

You call Karen bigoted? Really? How dare you call her bigoted! You obviously don't know her at all.

Did you ever read any of Karen's other posts about helping people out when she could, people more real than your words, while still protecting her own safety, her property? How is it that she would ever be able to help anyone, when her hard earned and cultivated land was being destroyed and her safety threatened EVERY SINGLE DAY, all day and all night since a new president came into office? Are you that clueless?

Why has the current pres. not sent help for those immigrants, and why has he purposely left them to cross the border without providing a check point to stop them before entry, helping them apply for legal entry and go thru the process, where they would have no worry about being deported or lose their jobs or lose contact with their children? I doubt if you owned and lived on her land and were in her shoes you'd be so accommodating and allow your life's work to be destroyed without doing something about it.

When were you left alone in your own country, without government protection and had to deal with refugees from poverty and violence crossing your land, destroying the fencing that keeps you and the animals you've raised protected from natural predators? Then, to have your safety threatened daily since a new PM or president was elected by the influx of refugees? It's so easy for you not to walk in her shoes.

As for Spindoctor.....the name says it all. Suddenly, with that incongruent diatribe, your name went from being a play on words, maybe even a thoughtful warning "not to be diverted by the spin", to being exactly what it looks like.

Do you know what diatribe means? It means to divert people into division, into competing without dialogue, to refuse to discuss without being manipulated. Instead of communicating, challenging with insight, a different viable perspective, a heartfelt emotional viewpoint you go off...

It makes no sense for anyone to be in a place like Avalon where we take the time to listen to each other, and then not offer up questions and refuse to get involved in communicating. Kind of a drag, because within that long paragraph you made some points we'd all agree with. Do you even wonder what those things are, or do you want to express your hatred? Kudos to living up to the name.

Mix truths we all agree with, especially the majority of us here who are centrist, and live with a very pronounced humane perspective, without any political nose ring pulling our arses one way or the other, and then add in such clueless b.s. and you'd fit the spindoctor narrative.

By the way, while we all sit here typing Karen, right at this moment is still dealing with the immigrants, when it is not her job to do so. She's even expressed her exasperation at the possibility of having to give it all up and move, before it is all taken away from her control, from her simple right to live in peace.........

[Hym]

Modern tribes are not real tribes. They are political parties, drunk on the difference that breeds indifference....No one survives....
There's the truth of daily life and then there's the division, all man made.

There was a special on today showing how different people worldwide were coping with all the stress, the real, yearly, outside viral intrusion of contaminants into the peaceful lives of people worldwide...City dwellers, suburban church going folks and tribal communities all dealing with a darkness that was planned. To me it looks like the ones I've seen forever here.

In India there is a crowded community of 3,500 impoverished families living in a slum. The film follows a musician, playing a dreaded harmonium no less, singing songs about the corona and how they are dealing with it. Beautiful singing. Though he was a Hindu ragi, his songs weren't from the ragas of his faith.

They were all about dealing with the life as it is presented and carrying on with the strength the Vedas speak about. In that extreme state of poverty and lack of things many of us take for granted, their spirits, their dance, their carrying on with life goes on unabated.

There has not been one case of corona inside of those families. Not that it won't, but if it comes the survival rate will be very high.They have held on to the cultural heritage of auyrvedic healing and great community support, with little or no help from the government. If there were a need for funeral pyres to be made there wouldn't even be space to build one there.

In another chapter of the film we visit an isolated tribal area in Brazil. Their loses have been many and their survival has had to progress, not revert, back to their cultural strengths. They built a large house to isolate the ill. For the first time they had to bury their dead outside of the village commons.

They had their yearly meeting of the tribes, where they wrestle each other one on one, in a large open area. This time only 2 of the 9 local tribes in their area could attend.

The narrator, a tribal leader, said that even though meeting in such large numbers risks exposure, it was a matter of survival that the tribes meet and challenge each other, support each other.....and look at the current world with a strength deeper than any single tribe could create.

[ExomatrixTV]

Bill Maher claims "Hard to Make Fun of Biden" (Destroyed by comedian K-von)

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... brilliant ...


Comedians Tried to Warn You of Biden's Stupidity - Get to Know The Puppet

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[Donald Ryan]

I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
"You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
"You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.

My parents immigrated from Italy. Took them a long time but they became American citizens the legal way. They never crossed onto peoples land and destroyed things. They never stole from people or threatened people if they did not give up their stuff. You call me judgmental, hell yes I am judgmental! I WORKED and PAID for my ranch and I will not be intimidated by these invaders. You should try it sometime.

[Journeyman]

I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
"You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.

You can't see the border in Texas that Karen lives by in Portland either Donald. Maybe she's impacted by this in a much more personal, direct and immediate way than you or many of the others opining on this?

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
"You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.

You can't see the border in Texas that Karen lives by in Portland either Donald. Maybe she's impacted by this in a much more personal, direct and immediate way than you or many of the others opining on this?

This is twice I have been attacked for protecting my land and my belongings. I will not post about this again. No wonder this country is being taken over. We are simply overflowing with really stupid people who seem to think that those of who own things should just hand them over to illegal invaders. It breaks my heart what this country has come too.

[Mike]

I don't think Donald's and Karen's points are mutually exclusive. What I'm getting out of the dialogue here is that it's very difficult to imagine oneself in someone else's shoes. But it's important to at least try.

I share Karen's rage at the situation on the border. It's unforgivable. If I were going thru the same situation I'd be saying and feeling the exact same things. Actually I think Karen has far more grace than me and is handling it better than I ever could.

And yet, if I were a poor, struggling Mexican, I'd be looking for any way to get into the U.S., legal or illegal. I would do whatever it took to get my family over here: lie, steal, cheat, and even commit violence.

In the abstract, I can completely understand the plight of the illegal immigrant. Those people do need help, but not at the expense of American citizens.

Biden and Co have really f#cked this thing up, and that's what it boils down to. Voting for him, in my view, was a profoundly irresponsible thing for anyone to do.

[Hym]

No one here said anything about slamming the borders shut. Any administration that refuses to take responsibility to protect immigrants, by not accounting for their safety, is criminal. Accounting for the safety of children by having them processed, greatly reduces their becoming victims of human trafficking. That cannot be done when they are being sent over the border without their parents, relying on human traffickers and their connections to survive in a foreign country.

What inhumane, political negligence allows that to happen? Especially at this time, when the world wide finance of human trafficking, especially sex trafficking, accounts for more money than the illegal drug trade.

This administration's lack of protection for those seeking immigration is feeding human trafficking into this country. Where are both parties in dealing with changing the laws to facilitate a faster road to citizenship, which lessens the burden on the borders and decreases the real threats to the people already here.

I didn't agree with the last admin. separating parents and their children. It was cruel and it complicated the process of absorbing all those who would become assets to any country, let alone to any economy, which is the real base line for most political policies. At least then there was a way to document their admittance into the country and increase their protection from predators.

Both parties in the mix have failed the country and the people wanting to enter and then to become productive and protected from harm. However, in this case, where this administration is promoting immigration without the protection of the officers and the court system that is set up to protect them, as well as it's current citizens, the deliberate neglect is next level abuse.

Those who know their past most often see themselves in the same place as immigrants, and in doing so consider new immigrants as welcome......yet not ever accepting any abuse from them. Real, loving and successful families live this way.

[ExomatrixTV]

The 'leader of the free world' is 'cognitively delinquent':

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[bobme]

Good thread to bring so much division together.

What I see is no matter if both left [Biden}, or right [Trump], appear to disagree with one another. They are one in the same. They are both controllers.

So should we assess which controller is better than the other?

I support none of them. Tr5ump supported vaccines as god like law. Biden hand in hand with Trump.

Welcome to the new world order all. May I see your papers before you go to disney land, of board this airline?

[Bill Ryan]

I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
"You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.This is a photo of Don's great-grandfather, William Henry Ryan, that he kindly shared with us here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114711-Thrown-for-a-loop-I-have-a-living-relative-after-all&p=1423753&viewfull=1#post1423753) a week ago.

https://projectavalon.net/William_Henry_Ryan.jpg

He saved up his hard-earned money to emigrate with his family (including my own father, then a little 3-year old boy) from England to Canada on a steamship in 1907.

When he arrived there, he worked strenuous and dangerous long hours as part of the large construction crew on the Pont du Québec bridge over the Saint Lawrence River. There's nothing in the historical record to suggest that he was anything other than a fine man, a devoted husband and father, a hard and honest worker, and a law-abiding citizen. I believe Don is very proud of him.

A century later, his grandson — yours truly — migrated to Ecuador in 2011. I'm still a British citizen, but I went through the formal process of registering myself legally in Ecuador as a resident, which I still am. It was inconvenient, and a big hassle, and it cost quite a lot (about $1000 or so). But that's what I did.

Mike is correct, as he usually is: there's (a) the rule of law, and (b) the empathy to be shown for those who are underprivileged or unfortunate in many other ways. I've traveled extensively in Africa and India, and I've seen that kind of suffering at first hand. I know about poverty.

But Karen has her rights, too. She lives alone on a ranch in Texas with her animals. When the alarms go off in the early hours of the morning, as they often do now, she goes out into the night with a sidearm and a rifle, on her own, to handle the situation, sometimes facing up to a group of several men together who have crossed the border on to her land.

She gives the intruders food and water when they need it, and shows them the way to leave her private property. She does this often.

She has immense courage. She grieves for the children who are caught up in all this. She can't bear to see them suffer as they do. But she's not causing that suffering. Someone else is, somehow, somewhere.

It's easy to generalize about all this from the standpoint of an idealist. But there are serious and severe practical problems.

For anyone (whoever they might be on this thread) to criticize Karen for how she handles this and for what she finds herself feeling, is to display naiveté that would be easily corrected by first learning a little more — directly from her, as she's happy to share her experiences — about the real situation on the ground.

[Donald Ryan]

Thanks for you viewpoint, Bill. I think if we could all step back, take a breath and put ourselves in the other person's shoes, this planet would be a much more pleasant place to be. Cheers!

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for you viewpoint, Bill. I think if we could all step back, take a breath and put ourselves in the other person's shoes, this planet would be a much more pleasant place to be. Cheers!Yes, I agree. Portland, Oregon is about 8,700,000 feet from where Karen lives. That's a lot more than 30,000. :) It may be VERY hard to see things clearly from that distance.

[pyrangello]

Great points Bill, my grandmother said goodbye to her brother on a horse drawn cart before they came over on the ship, my great great grandfather fought in the civil war and walked home in the midst of winter with only rags on his feet for shoes to see his family. Karen , what a Jewell and asset she is to the Avalon family, much respect to her in all aspects.

The big difference with immigration now as opposed to 100 years ago was there wasn't a financial support system that kicked in automatically when you crossed the border. I'm all for legal immigration as some 1.5 million come here legally every year. Politics are a toxic topic in any venue and should just be banned period. It just creates division, I have my own strong opinions , I've employed over 800 people in my lifetime. Seen it , done it, there are people from all walks of life that live all different lives. Thats what makes us who we are.

[s7e6e]

US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.
Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!

I think I need to dial down my sarcasm a notch, not everyone gets it apparently. :behindsofa:

[Hym]

US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.
Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!

I think I need to dial down my sarcasm a notch, not everyone gets it apparently. :behindsofa:

s7e6e,

No worries Mate. I got it right away.
And sarcasm is an antidote to insanity.

By the way, if you don't mind...
If you please.....
If it's not too much trouble....
If you've got the time....
If I may be so bold....
If this is the right time...
If you're not too busy...

What does s7e6e stand for______?
Or mean________?
Or represent________?

That is,
If you've got the time.....
If it's not a bother.....

Or did you accidentally, randomly, slip while hitting the keys?
Or were riding in a car on a bumpy road?
Or typing in a choppy sea, waves hitting the bow making it nigh near impossible to type that fast between the waves.


Wasn't this thread about Joey B?
Catscans for uncle creepy?
Something like that.....

[Spindoctor]

A couple of articles on Biden's first 100 days from Aussie media
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/in-his-first-100-days-joe-biden-s-bold-progressive-turn-stuns-nation-20210430-p57no3.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-30/donald-trumps-100-days-v-bidens-100-days/100091066.

[safara]

US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.

Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!Referring to posts which have been shared publicly in recent weeks or months, Mark/Rahkyt (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6754-Mark-Rahkyt) and Praxis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?925-Praxis) told us they'd voted for Biden, and 42 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?965-42), Fellow Aspirant (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?7223-Fellow-Aspirant) and mijatoca (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?19481-mijatoca) have stated they're Biden supporters, though they didn't vote as they're all Canadian. There were a few more, but I believe most or all have become inactive since the election.

Same here in the UK with Brexiteers - no need to keep shouting about it as their side won.

[Bill Ryan]

US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.

Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!Referring to posts which have been shared publicly in recent weeks or months, Mark/Rahkyt (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6754-Mark-Rahkyt) and Praxis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?925-Praxis) told us they'd voted for Biden, and 42 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?965-42), Fellow Aspirant (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?7223-Fellow-Aspirant) and mijatoca (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?19481-mijatoca) have stated they're Biden supporters, though they didn't vote as they're all Canadian. There were a few more, but I believe most or all have become inactive since the election.

Same here in the UK with Brexiteers - no need to keep shouting about it as their side won.Hey there — so glad to see you posting again. :highfive:

On a different thread, maybe, even if it's in a members-only section, could you find a way to share something about your personal experiences in Zimbabwe? I absolutely know they may be hard to write about, but many members, self included, would be so very interested to read very carefully, and maybe learn about some things we may not know about at all.

:bearhug:

:focus:

[Mark]

Thanks Bill, for putting my name in this thread. Always looking out for me. :Avalon:

I voted for Biden, yes. He wasn't my first choice, Marianne Williamson was. To answer the thread question, I think he's doing great, he's a Democrat and Dems do what they do how they do it, just like Repubs do.

True to form, he is balancing the equation and doing a lot to help the nation as a whole and a lot of people who don't even want his help but will accept it and curse his name while doing so.

I expect more kids will go to pre-K now, more young adults will go to community college. Folks without degrees will get them and those who don't want degrees will get infrastructure jobs. We'll move further into wind and solar, Tesla will take over the tech world, Gates and Co. will consolidate their global gains and the seemingly remorseless path toward global American domination - until the Chinese takeover - and One World will continue. All of this, in the context of a virus and vaccine that will continue mutating and being updated to God knows what end.

It's definitely not an ideal situation for anyone with the heart to truly help the world, as the pathways of societal and technological evolution have been set by global trends and it will take the will of the people en masse, as some sort of global populist movement, to change the current course of action and media is doing all it can to make sure that does not happen.

[Gracy]

Thank you for helping keep the thread on topic Mark!

This forum is a target rich environment in which to slam both Biden and democrats, but that's not what Doug was looking for in this particular case.

[Mike]

Thank you for helping keep the thread on topic Mark!

This forum is a target rich environment in which to slam both Biden and democrats, but that's not what Doug was looking for in this particular case.


I don't dislike Biden. I think he'd be more fun to have a beer with than Trump! He smiles, he laughs, and I think he wants the best for people. He's personable and compassionate. It's his policies that frighten me, and his mental deterioration. And I think he's really botched this border issue. But I'm rooting for him, for what it's worth. I want him to do well! I'm not one of these bitter losers who hopes the other side fails. I want him to succeed and I pray for the man.

[Satori]

Thank you for helping keep the thread on topic Mark!

This forum is a target rich environment in which to slam both Biden and democrats, but that's not what Doug was looking for in this particular case.


I don't dislike Biden. I think he'd be more fun to have a beer with than Trump! He smiles, he laughs, and I think he wants the best for people. He's personable and compassionate. It's his polices that frighten me, and his mental deterioration. And I think he's really botched this border issue. But I'm rooting for him, for what it's worth. I want him to do well! I'm not one of these bitter losers who hopes the other side fails. I want him to succeed and I pray for the man.

Biden succeed. Succeed at what? Dismantling the Republic, that’s all. And, it is not him who will succeed at that. He has no clue what is going on. He is not in charge. He’s the most obvious puppet imaginable. He does not even try to hide that fact.

And I don’t give a whit if my posts are off topic from what Doug had in mind when he started this thread. I’ve held my tongue and restrained my fingers from the keyboard long enough. Yet it would take far too much time and effort here to try to get through to the Biden lovers/likers who might read this thread. Besides, you have made up your minds and nothing I could say will change that.

Like or dislike Trump, like or dislike Biden, who cares? The stakes are far too high to trivialize what is going on by minimizing this disaster to who you like or not, and thereby try to defend these illegitimate criminals pretending to be leaders and represent this country. They are not trusted by any leadership of other countries. What happened last year and what is occurring now in the USA has made this country the laughing stock of the planet.

Anyone who voted for Biden and/or supports him and his handlers’ policies deserves what is coming. And, no, this is not sour grapes. It’s awareness and discernment on my part.

Enjoy your free stuff at the expense of others and your indentured servitude.

Gracy May. Don’t you dare put on you mod hat on this thread. You cannot weigh in on a thread and then put on your mod hat in that thread to admonish posts you disagree with. You cannot be both an advocate and the judge of what is proper from other advocates on the same thread.

[Gracy]

Gracy May. Don’t you dare put on you mod hat on this thread. You cannot weigh in on a thread and then put on your mod hat in that thread to admonish posts you disagree with. You cannot be both an advocate and the judge of what is proper from other advocates on the same thread.

Don't you dare tell me what to do.

My posts in this thread have had nothing to do with agreement or not, and all to do with honoring Doug's original intent.

Show us all otherwise!

[Mike]

Satori, I largely agree with everything you wrote about Biden. But more than half the population voted for him, and if we wish to dialogue with that other half and find out what they're thinking - as Doug's original intent was expressed - we won't find out by shouting them down, or Biden bashing. I think Gracy was just trying to make sure the thread didn't continue in that direction.

[Spindoctor]

From the outset Biden moved to call for unity in the face of the stark Dem/GOP divide and for total action by everyone on Covid. How is getting a pandemic under control, vitally needed job creation, trillions in infrastructure spending, affordable healthcare, education, social housing and other boosts to standards of living dismantling the republic? Trump/GOP staged an insurrection despite a national certified & audited vote installed a democratic government. Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years. Where is your proof Biden is not in charge? The guy is in the chair, the buck stops with him and as the world has seen in his first 100 days he is very hands on.. Where is your evidence of biden's mental deterioration or are you just repeating fox/GOP BS and smears? I watched the debate, Biden was articulate, intelligent and knew his facts unlike the shouty idiot. Worldwide Biden is seen as a breath of fresh air, a genuine leader with compassion who has quickly made other nations pull up their socks when it comes to addressing climate change, implementing renewables and other beneficial policies. He already is going to tackle that big no no, going after the trillions hidden by billionaire corporations in tax havens People who voted for Biden were tired of serial liars and self enriching carpetbaggers on both sides of the house who only spoke on the orders of their backers to gut your environmental, wages, health, education, consumer protection policies and safeguards. Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined, very politically savvy to survive this long, and a warrior when he needs to be. He faces a raft of systemic issues from racism, poverty, starvation wages, extortionate healthcare in a system relying on economic slavery/cop brutality and vote gerrymandering to keep people poor and powerless. If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. Americas current positive future direction, economy, society and individual welfare at this stage is lookingf vastly better than a year ago.

[Bill Ryan]

From the outset Biden moved to call for unity in the face of the stark Dem/GOP divide and for total action by everyone on Covid. How is getting a pandemic under control, vitally needed job creation, trillions in infrastructure spending, affordable healthcare, education, social housing and other boosts to standards of living dismantling the republic? Trump/GOP staged an insurrection despite a national certified & audited vote installed a democratic government. Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years. Where is your proof Biden is not in charge? The guy is in the chair, the buck stops with him and as the world has seen in his first 100 days he is very hands on.. Where is your evidence of biden's mental deterioration or are you just repeating fox/GOP BS and smears? I watched the debate, Biden was articulate, intelligent and knew his facts unlike the shouty idiot. Worldwide Biden is seen as a breath of fresh air, a genuine leader with compassion who has quickly made other nations pull up their socks when it comes to addressing climate change, implementing renewables and other beneficial policies. He already is going to tackle that big no no, going after the trillions hidden by billionaire corporations in tax havens People who voted for Biden were tired of serial liars and self enriching carpetbaggers on both sides of the house who only spoke on the orders of their backers to gut your environmental, wages, health, education, consumer protection policies and safeguards. Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined, very politically savvy to survive this long, and a warrior when he needs to be. He faces a raft of systemic issues from racism, poverty, starvation wages, extortionate healthcare in a system relying on economic slavery/cop brutality and vote gerrymandering to keep people poor and powerless. If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. Americas current positive future direction, economy, society and individual welfare at this stage is lookingf vastly better than a year ago.

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

[Gracy]

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

With respect Bill. :nod:

After basically branding this person the village idiot for their views by referring to them as "Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.)", they really do deserve you say just a bit more with at least a hint of a reason for why that is.

It's not much of a debate gotcha moment just informing the audience your opponent is dead wrong in everything they say, and then taking a bow.

[ExomatrixTV]

From the outset Biden moved to call for unity in the face of the stark Dem/GOP divide and for total action by everyone on Covid. How is getting a pandemic under control, vitally needed job creation, trillions in infrastructure spending, affordable healthcare, education, social housing and other boosts to standards of living dismantling the republic? Trump/GOP staged an insurrection despite a national certified & audited vote installed a democratic government. Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years. Where is your proof Biden is not in charge? The guy is in the chair, the buck stops with him and as the world has seen in his first 100 days he is very hands on.. Where is your evidence of biden's mental deterioration or are you just repeating fox/GOP BS and smears? I watched the debate, Biden was articulate, intelligent and knew his facts unlike the shouty idiot. Worldwide Biden is seen as a breath of fresh air, a genuine leader with compassion who has quickly made other nations pull up their socks when it comes to addressing climate change, implementing renewables and other beneficial policies. He already is going to tackle that big no no, going after the trillions hidden by billionaire corporations in tax havens People who voted for Biden were tired of serial liars and self enriching carpetbaggers on both sides of the house who only spoke on the orders of their backers to gut your environmental, wages, health, education, consumer protection policies and safeguards. Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined, very politically savvy to survive this long, and a warrior when he needs to be. He faces a raft of systemic issues from racism, poverty, starvation wages, extortionate healthcare in a system relying on economic slavery/cop brutality and vote gerrymandering to keep people poor and powerless. If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. Americas current positive future direction, economy, society and individual welfare at this stage is lookingf vastly better than a year ago.

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)



Just maybe, this could be a very related topic:


"Spin Doctor" ?!

As the PRSA Code of Ethics (https://www.prsa.org/about/ethics/prsa-code-of-ethics) states, “protecting and advancing the free flow of accurate and truthful information is essential to serving the public interest and contributing to informed decision-making in a democratic society.”

The Code of Ethics also presents values that set the industry standard for public relations:


Advocacy: Serving the public interest by acting as responsible advocates for those we represent.
Honesty: Maintaining the highest standards of accuracy and truth.
Expertise: Acquiring and responsibly using specialized knowledge and experience.
Independence: Providing objective counsel.
Loyalty: We are faithful to those we represent, while honoring our obligation to serve the public interest.
Fairness: We deal fairly with clients, employers, competitors, peers, vendors, the media and the general public.

These principles are a far cry from picking and choosing specific facts with the intent to win the day. Indeed, public relations is a counterbalance to spin. PR practitioners honestly communicate accurate information. They don’t deviate from it to suit a specific agenda.

The word “spin” is from the Old English, meaning to draw out and twist fibers into thread. But now it means twisting words.

Of course, another definition for “spin” is a physical activity that makes us disoriented. Spinners stumble, and lose their sense of direction. And that’s never a good idea.


source (https://prsay.prsa.org/2019/10/18/out-for-a-spin-the-difference-between-twisting-the-truth-and-telling-it/)


How spin doctors (https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/broken-democracy-spin-doctors-destroyed-uk-politics-theresa-may-repair-it-a7135146.html) destroyed our democracy:

The modern version of "Spin Doctors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_Doctors)" are: "Perception Managers" re-framing & controlling the (tunnel vision) pushed "narrative" serving a specific one-sided agenda only ... with NO regard to learn from genuine & healthy critics ... Always choosing to "counter attack" with even more misrepresentations, false accusations, exaggerations, lies, endless (pathetic & lame) insinuations & tactical deceptions by default.

So when any public "debate" starts ... they expect you to "correct" all of it ... thus depriving you to speak your focus of attention! ... Hijacking the focus of attention is the name of the game in Mainstream Lamestream Media ... They know there is almost never time left for you to share your research/insights as you are distracted 24/7 to dismantle & correct the endless errors of the Spin Doctors aka "Perception Managers", in my view all by design.

What is worse? People repeating & spreading the spin doctors "talking points" as gospel ... beLIEving the lies & deceptions, the sold narrative, blindly trusting what MSM is spoon-fed them all their life OR the Spin Doctors themselves?

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
May 1st, 2021

[Bill Ryan]

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

With respect Bill. :nod:

After basically branding this person the village idiot for their views by referring to them as "Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.)", they really do deserve you say just a bit more with at least a hint of a reason for why that is.

It's not much of a debate gotcha moment just informing the audience your opponent is dead wrong in everything they say, and then taking a bow.No, it really was uninformed. I'll leave others to pick it all up point by point (and there were many points) — if they have the time and energy.

I don't enjoy political debate. It's almost always unproductive. Very very rarely will anyone ever say: "Hey, thanks for explaining that, I see now that I was mistaken."

[Gracy]

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

With respect Bill. :nod:

After basically branding this person the village idiot for their views by referring to them as "Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.)", they really do deserve you say just a bit more with at least a hint of a reason for why that is.

It's not much of a debate gotcha moment just informing the audience your opponent is dead wrong in everything they say, and then taking a bow.No, it really was uninformed. I'll leave others to pick it all up point by point (and there were many points) — if they have the time and energy.

I don't enjoy political debate. It's almost always unproductive. Very very rarely will anyone ever say: "Hey, thanks for explaining that, I see now that I was mistaken."

Best then just to club the other person over the head with a sudden barrage of insults before a topic friendly audience, and call it a wrap.

That's the example you wish to set Bill? Because that is the example you're setting here, it's perfectly okay to do this and not back it up with the slightest of anything.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I want him to succeed and I pray for the man.

As someone once said, wanting the President to fail is like wanting the pilot to crash the plane we're all on. Which is why I simply could not understand all the hatred and vitriol and blah blah directed at the last guy. Anyway we won't go there.

How ever Biden got there, he got there. He's President now. For the betterment of the whole world, I continue to wish him and his team well.

[atman]

I want him to succeed and I pray for the man.

As someone once said, wanting the President to fail is like wanting the pilot to crash the plane we're all on. Which is why I simply could not understand all the hatred and vitriol and blah blah directed at the last guy. Anyway we won't go there.

How ever Biden got there, he got there. He's President now. For the betterment of the whole world, I continue to wish him and his team well.

What if the pilot got his license by cheating and lying and what if he is on a mission to crash the plane or to at the very least hijack it and have it land in some hostile territory?

For the betterment of the United States of America and of the world, including those parts of the world where the key principles found in the U.S. constitution are scorned or repressed, I personally wish for Biden and for the anti-American members of his team to fail.

I wish the same for the Trudeau government, in Canada, that is currently doing all it can to enable and enforce the so-called "Great Reset", as envisioned by the technocrats that are in the "New World Order" camp.

[Bill Ryan]

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

With respect Bill. :nod:

After basically branding this person the village idiot for their views by referring to them as "Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.)", they really do deserve you say just a bit more with at least a hint of a reason for why that is.

It's not much of a debate gotcha moment just informing the audience your opponent is dead wrong in everything they say, and then taking a bow.No, it really was uninformed. I'll leave others to pick it all up point by point (and there were many points) — if they have the time and energy.

I don't enjoy political debate. It's almost always unproductive. Very very rarely will anyone ever say: "Hey, thanks for explaining that, I see now that I was mistaken."

Best then just to club the other person over the head with a sudden barrage of insults before a topic friendly audience, and call it a wrap.

That's the example you wish to set Bill? Because that is the example you're setting here, it's perfectly okay to do this and not back it up with the slightest of anything.

~~~

If you want a toe-to-toe mods slugout on a public thread, you got it. Today is the wrong day to push me. Read the mods Discord chat.

I doubt you read all of what Spindoctor wrote (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114839-Biden-voters-and-supporters.-How-is-it-going/page4). Below are just a few extracts.

Here's a critique, as Socrates might have asked the questions.


Trump/GOP staged an insurrection — Did he?
despite a national certified & audited vote — Was it?
Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet — Are you sure?
and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years. — He has??
Biden was articulate, intelligent — Was he?
Biden is seen as… a genuine leader with compassion — Is he?
addressing climate change? — You mean the coming global solar minimum?
Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined — He does? ('intelligent' is spelled with two ‘L’s. btw.)
a warrior when he needs to be — You mean attacking Syria?
If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. — Are you quite sure he wasn’t installed to bring America down?

[Bill Ryan]

more than half the population voted for himBut Mike, they didn't.

[Mike]

more than half the population voted for himBut Mike, they didn't.


Yep, you know I'm in agreement with you there!

For the sake of argument I was using the "official" numbers. I guess I didn't really have to though.

In almost all American presidential elections the popular vote is sorta close to 50/50. Roughly. That's been pretty consistent across time. But even if we assume Biden got 40% or less, I think my point still stands. A large number of people did vote Biden, and if we give up trying to talk to each other then the only thing left to do is fight each other. That's what I was trying to say.

[pyrangello]

Had a customer in here yesterday , he went to the so called insurrection at the capitol, showed me footage on his phone of all the people there to see trumps speech, he figured it was over a million were there. I asked him did he go over to the capitol and he said yes, asked him how many antifa were there to cause trouble, he told me he has film footage on his phone showing these guys changing there clothes from trump supporters to antifa right in front of him. And that this chaos started 20 minutes before trumps speech was over with. It was a very interesting conversation , .

As for Biden I watched a documentary on him from baby to where he is now, really wanted to know about his accomplishments in life, 47 years in office, I honestly can say he didn't do crap over 47 years. Or maybe he did in the capitol building once and a while. I really wanted to see what he did, nothing , notta , one other thing , Joe use to ride the train back to delaware from DC, had another customer who was telling me the reason he got knick named 6 pack joe, was he always got trashed on the train going home and more , you can guess. Even in that one book about the secret service the female agents despised doing security at the Biden home, it was detailed he would walk out to his pool buck naked right in front of them in the middle of the night. We all have vises and throwing rocks isn't a common practice of mine but, C'mon man!

[Chris Gilbert]

Taking official numbers at face value for the moment, the reported votes for Biden were around 81m, so taking into account US population it was around 1 in 4 people. It's like that every election though, only half the population votes at most. Beyond all the arguments concerning the recent election it's one of several reasons I don't believe in democracy much at all beyond the local/Dunbar number level.

[Gracy]

As for Biden I watched a documentary on him from baby to where he is now, really wanted to know about his accomplishments in life, 47 years in office, I honestly can say he didn't do crap over 47 years. Or maybe he did in the capitol building once and a while. I really wanted to see what he did, nothing , notta ,

His record is basically that of a moderate republican. Tough on crime was one of his biggies, like sponsoring the 1994 Crime Bill. He was also always looking for a deal to cut Medicare and Social Security, and was instrumental in seeing that Clarence Thomas became a Supreme Court Justice.

Also voted for the first Iraq War.

Definitely no flaming lefty. :)

[uzn]

Somebody wrote here that Biden and Trump are the same. I disagree, here take a look at one of the banned official photos of Biden:

https://i1.wp.com/qactus.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/photo_2021-04-29_10-35-29.jpg

The real Biden was / is a predator and kid toucher. There are a lot of pictures of him touching minors totally unappropriate in public. Imagine what he does when he is not in public with tons of reporters around.

and now to "The Biden Show". It´s beyond laughable but at times quite entertaining. Here the latest hickup:
Kamala Harris this time saluting the Soldiers and then walking up the stairs to no plane. LOL. How can you take this trashshow serious ? I mean who walks up to no plane, seriously.

http://mannikosblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Bildschirmfoto-vom-2021-04-28-12-43-23-e1619607542447.png

The full "Biden Show" video here:
http://mannikosblog.de/2021/04/28/seltsames-video-kamala-harris-besteigt-eine-gangway-ohne-flugzeug/

Now back to Topic.

[Donald Ryan]

As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse from a pedophile, I think I can bring a unique perspective to this part of the thread. For the record, pedophiles NEVER change their propensities and should be locked away forever. However, unless you have absolute, undeniable proof somebody is a pedophile, you should NEVER bandy the accusation about just willy-nilly. I have a close friend in my over-55 community who was president of the HOA for several years, and, as often happens in these small political environs, developed a small group of nasty enemies. This group started a whisper campaign accusing him of being a pedophile and it destroyed his life. My therapist (who is also a survivor) agrees that survivors can smell a pedophile a million miles away--they give you chills and raise the hairs on the back of your neck. I can confidently say my friend is not a pedophile. But the false accusation has stuck and he has to live with it.
So, before you start regurgitating these accusations without absolute verification, think twice. I don't think you should make such accusations against anyone, be it Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head (although his lack of genitalia does give me pause) without sound proof.
Speaking as a survivor.
Cheers to all and let's play nice. . .

[uzn]

As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse from a pedophile, I think I can bring a unique perspective to this part of the thread. For the record, pedophiles NEVER change their propensities and should be locked away forever. However, unless you have absolute, undeniable proof somebody is a pedophile, you should NEVER bandy the accusation about just willy-nilly. I have a close friend in my over-55 community who was president of the HOA for several years, and, as often happens in these small political environs, developed a small group of nasty enemies. This group started a whisper campaign accusing him of being a pedophile and it destroyed his life. My therapist (who is also a survivor) agrees that survivors can smell a pedophile a million miles away--they give you chills and raise the hairs on the back of your neck. I can confidently say my friend is not a pedophile. But the false accusation has stuck and he has to live with it.
So, before you start regurgitating these accusations without absolute verification, think twice. I don't think you should make such accusations against anyone, be it Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head (although his lack of genitalia does give me pause) without sound proof.
Speaking as a survivor.
Cheers to all and let's play nice. . .

Your right, I change pedophile to kid toucher, that is prooven and seeable for everyone.

[Hym]

As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse from a pedophile, I think I can bring a unique perspective to this part of the thread. For the record, pedophiles NEVER change their propensities and should be locked away forever. However, unless you have absolute, undeniable proof somebody is a pedophile, you should NEVER bandy the accusation about just willy-nilly. I have a close friend in my over-55 community who was president of the HOA for several years, and, as often happens in these small political environs, developed a small group of nasty enemies. This group started a whisper campaign accusing him of being a pedophile and it destroyed his life. My therapist (who is also a survivor) agrees that survivors can smell a pedophile a million miles away--they give you chills and raise the hairs on the back of your neck. I can confidently say my friend is not a pedophile. But the false accusation has stuck and he has to live with it.
So, before you start regurgitating these accusations without absolute verification, think twice. I don't think you should make such accusations against anyone, be it Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head (although his lack of genitalia does give me pause) without sound proof.
Speaking as a survivor.
Cheers to all and let's play nice. . .

Nope. Not a time to...

Speaking as a life long protector of survivors, the first hard hit I took was as an 8 year old protecting my younger sisters from a pedo oldest brother, then 16, being protected by his mother, as I got up from him knocking me down, and after I told him to leave my sisters alone....immediately after the only time I suspected something was very wrong. He stopped the abuse because I threatened to kill him, whatever it took, if I couldn't get close enough to him. However, that didn't stop him with his children, years later, his first wife wise enough to divorce him and take the children far away. Delusion has no place in talks like this.

More to the point, why hasn't anyone stopped him, and not just the reassigned secret service agent who was stopped short of kicking the crap out of him, from Joey B hitting on his fiance, touching her as only a partner or a husband would? Not only is he a perv, but he openly doesn't give a F about anyone else and their rights. I know that many, many politicians are abusers, but the proof of his behavior being protected is that he abuses children openly. Why is that?

I can see why women, hearing some of the previous pres.'s misogyny, even in a recording of him proving it, and wouldn't vote for him, irregardless of policy and the decided efforts to divide people, when he just as well could have used words and ideas to find common ground, after he exposed the hypocrisies.

I liked him telling the truth, but tilting his head to the side afterwards, waiting for the applause and being cute is not the job of a president. It was his job, the oath of office, his real purpose as a president to then present solutions and bring us all together. We all know what that was about. In great contrast the present pres. has abused children in front of everyone to see. Children no less!!!!, and it gets a pass? How many other public figures have you seen doing that over and over again in public?

From here, the absolute sign that the presidency is merely a public play and not a real position of power is the acceptance of all concerned, officials of both parties, law enforcement and the media, allowing him to carry on like that for years, just as they all have for politicians since there have been politicians. Many insiders knew of B and H's abuses and many of them died, not just for the reasons of abuse, and they both got away with it all. The same goes for Bush Sr. though some would testify, if protected, that he was the most diabolical of all.

That is how important it has been, and is, for those who control the puppeteered politicians and thus the inhumane policies of nations, to cover up the abuse. That is the bigger question to be asked, tho this honestly proposed thread was meant to truly, to deeply, understand the motivations for supporting another politician.

It's at times like this we would expect these deeply felt perceptions and reactions to occur here. At times, as civil as this forum is, civility takes a back seat to getting in here and digging it all up. I wonder how many would serve if they were called servants and never called politicians. Of course, both parties are complicit in protecting the abuser and rarely of protecting the abused.

I feel that way about most politicians. I sense that same abusive nature around many people in positions of power, men and women alike.
I wouldn't let the current POS anywhere near any children or women, and especially women who aren't aware of and who don't agree to the abuse.

That is the law in this land....being silent in the face of abuse is complicity, and a dereliction of duty. Of the many pres. guards in the mix, more than a few have asked for assignments away from having to remain silent. Removal from seeing the abuse doesn't stop it, and those in control of those departments are allergic to taking the oath of their jobs seriously, beyond their job security.

Knowing well three bodyguard teachers, I wonder how many know that with some politicians their main job is to protect others from the politicians themselves? Not with physical aggression of any sort, yet at the least, if he chose to do that around me, anywhere....in private, or in the most public of places, I'd use this penetrating, booming voice of mine to call attention to it all, and I'd call out any parents the same way.


Just in case your eyes don't see what's there, over and over and over again....the abuse is out in the open, so disconnected from who he really is in relation to the rest of societal norms.

Because this thread is about policy, I'll step off on this note.
And, I DO believe the young girl who while at Epstein's, at age 14, protected her younger friend by stepping in and taking the sexual abuse from Trump. Just as the accusations of Tara Reid against the present pres were never taken seriously, so the same happened with the accusations of the young girl against the last pres. and she was a victim of Epstein and Maxwell.

Maybe some out there don't know the pain or support those abused....for whatever reason, when I would suggest listening a little longer and stepping the F up. Maybe I'm on the wrong forum, but I'm okay with that, as there are no others I'd join. More time to study and get on with it all.

By the way, I believe that anyone who accuses someone who is innocent of the claim they know to be false, should be prosecuted and serve the same time, or double the time, as if convicted of the abuse itself.

[Donald Ryan]

Thanks for your response and willingness to consider my opinion. If there is any lesson to be learned from these situations, I think, it is that once an accusation is cast in today's technological world, it is always out there and that we should be very cautious when making accusations.

[RunningDeer]

Maybe some out there don't know the pain or support those abused....for whatever reason, when I would suggest listening a little longer and step the F up. Maybe I'm on the wrong forum, but I'm okay with that, as there are no others I'd join. More time to study and get on with it all.

By the way, I believe that anyone who accuses someone who is innocent of the claim they know to be false, should be prosecuted and serve the same time, or double the time, as if convicted of the abuse itself.

https://i.imgur.com/RuuX7HS.jpg

♡

[Open Minded Dude]

I want him to succeed and I pray for the man.

As someone once said, wanting the President to fail is like wanting the pilot to crash the plane we're all on. Which is why I simply could not understand all the hatred and vitriol and blah blah directed at the last guy. Anyway we won't go there.

How ever Biden got there, he got there. He's President now. For the betterment of the whole world, I continue to wish him and his team well.

Looking at the bigger picture I would say it is best to not care. It is a rotten system no matter if "blue" or "red" is at the helm (or any other country for that matter). The (US or Western world) plane is about to crash ANYWAY. So in the end of the day it does not matter who steers it at that moment.

[Hym]

Kamala Harris this time saluting the Soldiers and then walking up the stairs to no plane. LOL. How can you take this trashshow serious ? I mean who walks up to no plane, seriously.

http://mannikosblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Bildschirmfoto-vom-2021-04-28-12-43-23-e1619607542447.png

.

Kammy was assured that Wonder Woman's Invisible plane was there. Just my thoughts, but I'm sure I'd have appreciated seeing Linda Carter flying overhead in that invisible plane, more than seeing Kam.

I heard that Linda is a singer. That would've made being a passenger on the plane much more pleasant. Imagine that, a whole plane singing....together, and with a real singer. Thank goodness that some politicians and corporate muck-mucks don't fly with the rest of us.

I see the vp's faith has it's limits.

It's mutual, Darling.

Either way, it's not that we wish anyone ill will in serving the people.
In the case of the pres and vp, the wishing well has run dry.
That is the best for everyone to accept, and left to do what all people have done in all successful societies. This is to take care of each other and connect in ways they've always done.

Moving on together is forever the task. Citizens are more than capable of doing anything when they do what they know is best, without the constant spin. That spin ends up being the draining circle jerk, leaving the lot of everyone spent and tired of not getting anywhere. It's one of the many times when a people teach their leaders who really should be controlling the dialogue.

The proof of the presidency now being openly governed by the real corporate controllers of the nation and not those fronting the cons, lives in the pres.'s words. He has said that answering questions at any length will get him in trouble, with those he will never mention.

The cool possibility may be that if he stays long enough in the position, he may accidentally reveal the names of those who his controllers take their orders from.

[Spindoctor]

Still waiting for a reasoned, intelligent response to my comments on Biden and the better future prospects for many under his policies. So far I've got overt cynicism, bias and smear, even my nickname apparently triggers some. So here is home growmn opinion from an American rather than an outsider looking in. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/01/opinion/sunday/biden-fdr-americans.html?smid=tw-share

[uzn]

Let´s look at the first great 100 days of Biden and his great actions.

a4IPBamMsmeq

[Spindoctor]

So the best you can do is a heavily edited video of Biden put to clownish music. Where is your critique of his policies and programs. You source the clip from a white supremacist frequented and endorsed site. So much for a credible source.

https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate

BitChute as the violent extremists’ outlet

For white supremacists, BitChute is a safe haven where they can spread vitriol and recruit members. Swastikas and SS symbols are commonplace on the site, alongside videos praising Hitler. Across private and public channels in Telegram—the encrypted messaging app increasingly used by white supremacists—extremists share BitChute links of propaganda and conspiracy theories that comport to their beliefs. Further, many of these groups link to their Telegram and other social media channels in their BitChute descriptions.

The white supremacist group Patriot Front has three BitChute channels it uses to spread its propaganda and provide links to the group’s Telegram, Gab, and Minds accounts. The videos consist of montages of members marching in riot gear with torches, training in hand-to-hand combat, and hanging banners and fliers, calling on followers to “fight back” because “America is our birthright.” The group also uses the comments section of their BitChute videos to post recruitment links.

The Proud Boys—a right-wing extremist group known for their Islamophobia, transphobia and proclivity for violence—have a channel with 1.5 million views and 297 videos. Their BitChute channel provides links to messaging apps Telegram and Parler. Their video titles frequently refer to “Black thugs” and glorify violence, as is the case in a July 4th tribute video that simulates Proud Boys shooting their opponents. Like Patriot Front, the Proud Boys use the comments section to recruit new members and give advice about the membership process.

The “Road to Power” broadcasting outlet, run by white supremacist Scott Rhodes, achieved notoriety in 2017 when police linked him to a spree of racist, antisemitic and bigoted robocalling incidents that the FCC determined were meant to “cause harm.” BitChute, however, still allows Rhodes to broadcast his messages, with videos ..

[Journeyman]

So the best you can do is a heavily edited video of Biden put to clownish music. Where is your critique of his policies and programs. You source the clip from a white supremacist frequented and endorsed site. So much for a credible source.

https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate

BitChute as the violent extremists’ outlet

For white supremacists, BitChute is a safe haven where they can spread vitriol and recruit members. Swastikas and SS symbols are commonplace on the site, alongside videos praising Hitler. Across private and public channels in Telegram—the encrypted messaging app increasingly used by white supremacists—extremists share BitChute links of propaganda and conspiracy theories that comport to their beliefs. Further, many of these groups link to their Telegram and other social media channels in their BitChute descriptions.

The white supremacist group Patriot Front has three BitChute channels it uses to spread its propaganda and provide links to the group’s Telegram, Gab, and Minds accounts. The videos consist of montages of members marching in riot gear with torches, training in hand-to-hand combat, and hanging banners and fliers, calling on followers to “fight back” because “America is our birthright.” The group also uses the comments section of their BitChute videos to post recruitment links.

The Proud Boys—a right-wing extremist group known for their Islamophobia, transphobia and proclivity for violence—have a channel with 1.5 million views and 297 videos. Their BitChute channel provides links to messaging apps Telegram and Parler. Their video titles frequently refer to “Black thugs” and glorify violence, as is the case in a July 4th tribute video that simulates Proud Boys shooting their opponents. Like Patriot Front, the Proud Boys use the comments section to recruit new members and give advice about the membership process.

The “Road to Power” broadcasting outlet, run by white supremacist Scott Rhodes, achieved notoriety in 2017 when police linked him to a spree of racist, antisemitic and bigoted robocalling incidents that the FCC determined were meant to “cause harm.” BitChute, however, still allows Rhodes to broadcast his messages, with videos ..

It's much better to judge content on its merits rather than allowing a bias over the platform on which its published to cloud your judgement. If you were to be consistent with that approach you'd never watch or read anything on any platform as all of them at one point or another have hosted content which has transgressed in one form or another. There's also been a troubling tendency recently of people avoiding the kernel of an argument by shifting their objection to the author making it, the platform on which it appears or other incidental details. It's an old politicians trick, sadly becoming more prevalent in online discourse. Play the ball, not the man as they say in Aussie rules and other sports.

[ExomatrixTV]

@Spindoctor (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?24725-Spindoctor)


so you think using "adl(dot)org" & "New York Times" as your best sources should "impress" us? ... knowing how they have been exposed being LIARS and misrepresenting & framing real critical thinking over and over and over and over again in to infinity ... They even lost a court case against Project Veritas!


cheers,
John

[Pam]

Still waiting for a reasoned, intelligent response to my comments on Biden and the better future prospects for many under his policies. So far I've got overt cynicism, bias and smear, even my nickname apparently triggers some. So here is home growmn opinion from an American rather than an outsider looking in. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/01/opinion/sunday/biden-fdr-americans.html?smid=tw-share

You have a right to your own opinion. If you would like me to be honest with you, when I read your assessment of Joe Biden it feels so surreal it is hard to imagine that you are not just having a bit of fun messing with peoples minds. I am not trying to be disrespectful. In all honesty I wish there were times I could see the world through your glasses. I wish I could get up in the morning believing good ol Jo was making things right with the world.

The US is being dismantled as we speak and Joe Biden was selected and placed in office as just one more humiliation and degradation of the American people. They could just have easily selected another stooge to do the dismantling. One that was articulate, one that didn't have dementia, one that didn't sponsor the 1994 crime bill,that incidently, his son will never suffer from. When I have listened to the guy, first of all, I am embarrassed for him, second, I have a really deep revulsion to the guy.

[Andre]

Well, all this energy to discuss Biden's leadership and politics in general serves the Cabal very nicely. Isn't it obvious that the "divide and conquer" modus operandi is at work here and that is the reason why the Cabal, through it's bagman Soros and corrupt NGOs create and fund outfits like BLM and Antifa and gets the media to flame the fires of animosity and hatred. Just look at this thread for the evidence at how well their strategy works!!!!

Surely, we all know by now that ever since Kennedy was done away that the POTUS is a puppet whose strings are pulled by those behind the scenes? I mean, there must be reams and reams of info on Avalon that shows that as clear as day! IMO, I get the impression that some forum members here need to do some basic research and stop buying into mass media diversions. We all have a duty to keep educating ourselves and to keep going down the rabbit hole and I think that's the real opportunity here on this forum, not wasting time talking about Biden or Pelosi or any other political hack.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

What if the pilot got his license by cheating and lying and what if he is on a mission to crash the plane or to at the very least hijack it and have it land in some hostile territory?

I have little doubt about that. Biden's not even sitting in the captain's seat in my opinion. He's not even the navigator. Using this flying analogy he's basically nothing more than this:

http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/Airplane-autopilot.jpg

All I'm saying is, as a passenger, I hope the plane lands without disaster.

[samildamach]

So the best you can do is a heavily edited video of Biden put to clownish music. Where is your critique of his policies and programs. You source the clip from a white supremacist frequented and endorsed site. So much for a credible source.

https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate

BitChute as the violent extremists’ outlet

For white supremacists, BitChute is a safe haven where they can spread vitriol and recruit members. Swastikas and SS symbols are commonplace on the site, alongside videos praising Hitler. Across private and public channels in Telegram—the encrypted messaging app increasingly used by white supremacists—extremists share BitChute links of propaganda and conspiracy theories that comport to their beliefs. Further, many of these groups link to their Telegram and other social media channels in their BitChute descriptions.

The white supremacist group Patriot Front has three BitChute channels it uses to spread its propaganda and provide links to the group’s Telegram, Gab, and Minds accounts. The videos consist of montages of members marching in riot gear with torches, training in hand-to-hand combat, and hanging banners and fliers, calling on followers to “fight back” because “America is our birthright.” The group also uses the comments section of their BitChute videos to post recruitment links.

The Proud Boys—a right-wing extremist group known for their Islamophobia, transphobia and proclivity for violence—have a channel with 1.5 million views and 297 videos. Their BitChute channel provides links to messaging apps Telegram and Parler. Their video titles frequently refer to “Black thugs” and glorify violence, as is the case in a July 4th tribute video that simulates Proud Boys shooting their opponents. Like Patriot Front, the Proud Boys use the comments section to recruit new members and give advice about the membership process.

The “Road to Power” broadcasting outlet, run by white supremacist Scott Rhodes, achieved notoriety in 2017 when police linked him to a spree of racist, antisemitic and bigoted robocalling incidents that the FCC determined were meant to “cause harm.” BitChute, however, still allows Rhodes to broadcast his messages, with videos ..

just to point out the obvious.
There is a big difference between reading about something and living the actual experience .
Karen's lived experience of the border is the direct outcome of goverment policies and neglect and deliberate point scoring.
It's better to learn from these lived experiences and understand them than it is to take your opinions from a biased paper or internet article and cut and paste

[Gracy]

just to point out the obvious.
There is a big difference between reading about something and living the actual experience .
Karen's lived experience of the border is the direct outcome of goverment policies and neglect and deliberate point scoring.
It's better to learn from these lived experiences and understand them than it is to take your opinions from a biased paper or internet article and cut and paste

All true, all good points.

Here's the thing though. This forum is brimming with cut/paste, and it's seldom a problem so long as it's sustaining the given prevailing narrative. It just gets added to the pile of evidence.

Conversely, it seems to be the same when shared lived experience continues a prevailing narrative then it is embraced, when not continuing a prevailing narrative, it tends to be dismissed.

It's not just here btw, it's everywhere because it's human nature to do so unless rigidly guarded against. It's why we turn to news sources that we know will tend to confirm our narrative, while ignoring others that will likely at least question it, if not totally go against it.

Exactly why people who live off of mainstream cable news for example, might solely watch FOX News, or on the flip side, MSNBC. Each is convinced the other is pure bullspit propaganda, no use even giving the other a thought except for denouncing it as such.

"FOX won't lead me wrong".

"MSNBC won't lead me wrong".

[pyrangello]

Sure we can all get wrapped up in a narrative, like guppies in a fishbowl GM. I turned my cable off 5 years ago and watch no news except the local weather. When I watched that documentary on Biden , i was really hoping there was something I could hang my hat on of greatness, it was very disappointing . Then I snapped out of the vortex.

[Journeyman]

just to point out the obvious.
There is a big difference between reading about something and living the actual experience .
Karen's lived experience of the border is the direct outcome of goverment policies and neglect and deliberate point scoring.
It's better to learn from these lived experiences and understand them than it is to take your opinions from a biased paper or internet article and cut and paste

All true, all good points.

Here's the thing though. This forum is brimming with cut/paste, and it's seldom a problem so long as it's sustaining the given prevailing narrative. It just gets added to the pile of evidence.

Conversely, it seems to be the same when shared lived experience continues a prevailing narrative then it is embraced, when not continuing a prevailing narrative, it tends to be dismissed.

It's not just here btw, it's everywhere because it's human nature to do so unless rigidly guarded against. It's why we turn to news sources that we know will tend to confirm our narrative, while ignoring others that will likely at least question it, if not totally go against it.

Exactly why people who live off of mainstream cable news for example, might solely watch FOX News, or on the flip side, MSNBC. Each is convinced the other is pure bullspit propaganda, no use even giving the other a thought except for denouncing it as such.

"FOX won't lead me wrong".

"MSNBC won't lead me wrong".

There's an increasing polarisation of viewpoints in recent years and I'd argue that's in part due to increasingly partisan media abandoning any suggestion of objectivity or impartiality. It's very difficult to get conversations going across the political divide, because people increasingly have their own set of facts based upon their own set of approved sources.

I think @Spindoctor (above) refusing to watch anything posted on Bitchute is a good indication of this. As people from the right have left Twitter or Facebook, there was a move recently to blacklist anyone with a GAB or Telegram membership and not to allow content to be shared from those networks. It goes both ways of course, I've seen people refusing to consider something originating from The Guardian or CNN for similar reasons.

There are silos being created, which in turn allow for distinct models of reality to be constructed. It's a very dangerous world when people have a completely different view of reality, of what the issues are, of what people or institutions believe or represent. This is fertile ground in which to demonise the other and create scapegoats and strawmen to divert and divide people amongst themselves.

This is the world we're heading towards and it's really incumbent on all of us to make as many bridges as we can to those with a different worldview or set of assumptions. The silos are comforting because they will give you the news that you want to hear, but they're a trap.

[Hym]

I too have had to warn people about Bitchute, but I've recommended many valuable videos on the site, in spite of some of the racist and other world delusions on the site. I prefer to watch as many of those videos here on Avalon as the nonsense filter is on here. Most of us are grown up enough to see the difference quickly and stay with the learning.

[greybeard]

Cant help but think that many who are not on this forum and some who are, miss the point.

Its not about Trump or Biden this is a war against evil.
In a normal war the enemy is clearly defined --we can bomb their country, they bomb ours.

Here you can be a collaborator -- virtually supporting some of what they do without realizing what is the base of all this --it is evil beyond comprehension.
One is completely for the side of freedom of speech-- freedom of the individual --or you support draconian rules that are not designed for the good of man kind.
The continual perpetration of fear is a sure sign of evil.
Coercing to take a vaccine is illegal.
Fear to speak the truth of ones own experience as a nurse or a doctor is a common place situation.
Is this the world we want?
Chris

[Delight]

Still waiting for a reasoned, intelligent response to my comments on Biden and the better future prospects for many under his policies. So far I've got overt cynicism, bias and smear, even my nickname apparently triggers some. So here is home growmn opinion from an American rather than an outsider looking in. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/01/opinion/sunday/biden-fdr-americans.html?smid=tw-share

You have a right to your own opinion. If you would like me to be honest with you, when I read your assessment of Joe Biden it feels so surreal it is hard to imagine that you are not just having a bit of fun messing with peoples minds. I am not trying to be disrespectful. In all honesty I wish there were times I could see the world through your glasses. I wish I could get up in the morning believing good ol Jo was making things right with the world.

The US is being dismantled as we speak and Joe Biden was selected and placed in office as just one more humiliation and degradation of the American people. They could just have easily selected another stooge to do the dismantling. One that was articulate, one that didn't have dementia, one that didn't sponsor the 1994 crime bill,that incidently, his son will never suffer from. When I have listened to the guy, first of all, I am embarrassed for him, second, I have a really deep revulsion to the guy.

I am so on your page with this candidate INSULT. The Dems never reformed after the 2016 campaign where Sanders was disenfranchised. During the earlier days in the 2019 campaign I really liked Tulsi Gabbard. She was systematically canceled by the Dems. I then could hardly believe it that Biden was brought forward because lots of people AGAIN wanted Sanders. Sanders apparently was bought off some how. It became more and more surreal as obviously Biden is demented. My friends would never even respond to my presentation of concerns. Then Harris was the VP and this was disgusting to me. She is the consummate hypocrite and she has few real ties to the US. Laughing about smoking pot herself and harshly prosecuting others' marijuana offenses is a RED FLAG.

This IS about demoralization and in our face stealing an election IMO DID HAPPEN with no recourse. We are being shown we have no recourse...we can protest, speak out, have logic and sound minds....


The US is being dismantled as we speak and Joe Biden was selected and placed in office as just one more humiliation and degradation of the American people. They could just have easily selected another stooge to do the dismantling. One that was articulate, one that didn't have dementia, one that didn't sponsor the 1994 crime bill,that incidently, his son will never suffer from. When I have listened to the guy, first of all, I am embarrassed for him, second, I have a really deep revulsion to the guy.

[DeDukshyn]

So the best you can do is a heavily edited video of Biden put to clownish music. Where is your critique of his policies and programs. You source the clip from a white supremacist frequented and endorsed site. So much for a credible source.

https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate

BitChute as the violent extremists’ outlet

For white supremacists, BitChute is a safe haven where they can spread vitriol and recruit members. Swastikas and SS symbols are commonplace on the site, alongside videos praising Hitler. Across private and public channels in Telegram—the encrypted messaging app increasingly used by white supremacists—extremists share BitChute links of propaganda and conspiracy theories that comport to their beliefs. Further, many of these groups link to their Telegram and other social media channels in their BitChute descriptions.

The white supremacist group Patriot Front has three BitChute channels it uses to spread its propaganda and provide links to the group’s Telegram, Gab, and Minds accounts. The videos consist of montages of members marching in riot gear with torches, training in hand-to-hand combat, and hanging banners and fliers, calling on followers to “fight back” because “America is our birthright.” The group also uses the comments section of their BitChute videos to post recruitment links.

The Proud Boys—a right-wing extremist group known for their Islamophobia, transphobia and proclivity for violence—have a channel with 1.5 million views and 297 videos. Their BitChute channel provides links to messaging apps Telegram and Parler. Their video titles frequently refer to “Black thugs” and glorify violence, as is the case in a July 4th tribute video that simulates Proud Boys shooting their opponents. Like Patriot Front, the Proud Boys use the comments section to recruit new members and give advice about the membership process.

The “Road to Power” broadcasting outlet, run by white supremacist Scott Rhodes, achieved notoriety in 2017 when police linked him to a spree of racist, antisemitic and bigoted robocalling incidents that the FCC determined were meant to “cause harm.” BitChute, however, still allows Rhodes to broadcast his messages, with videos ..


Well to be fair, white supremacists use the internet. The internet is a haven for all sorts of criminal activity. And look, now your using that same internet that they use. Should that make me suspicious of your content?

When one has lost the ability to discern content and context on their own and require a superior governing body, such as government or big tech, to censor the information for them lest they be "exposed" or "offended", that is the point that one has become compromised, and operates as agent for those who wish to take that freedom of autonomous discernment from you.

I'm not saying that's you, I'm just saying that is the spectrum. It's a very slippery slope once we start lumping and generalizing things for the sake of casting the widest judgement net as possible.

[Desire]

Perhaps Biden followers are not eager to speak out.

[Delight]

Yes, Biden supporters and voters... do you have any niggling concerns yet?

The following article may trigger some but IMO it is unrolling now.... it is the WHOLE USA to be destroyed IMO...


What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 1) (https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/what-the-progressive-liberals-have-in-store-for-conservatives/)

Consider Bosnia…

"There used to be a law about weapons here, where I live, before the war. And yes, you could own a weapon but it was such a hard law that actually not too many people owned legal weapons.

And right when the (**** Hit The Fan), first thing that happened was the confiscation of legal weapons, based on lists of who own legal weapons.

Now what people could do then was to say, “This is my legal weapon. I have a right to own it, by the law.”
...And those who did that usually got shot.

There were 20 heavily armed guys at your door asking nicely for your weapon, to be turned over to them in the name of “law” as an effort of a government that wanted to calm down a chaotic situation.

Sometimes if you said no, those guys would simply destroy the whole house with RPGs and bombs.

And guess what that meant?

Folks who owned legal weapon lost them even before the big SHTF. And a lot of guys who owned them in an illegal way hidden somewhere still own them when SHTF.

Illegal and legal have different meanings in different times and based who says those words, so think about it.

I am not saying that it will go like that there where you are. What I do say is you that you need to think a bit outside the box when it comes to owning things."

-Organic prepper

I think this episode of Alex Jones has clues as always.


Alex Jones Full Show 4/30/21 Death Vaccination HORROR (https://www.brighteon.com/ed059eae-8ff9-4912-aacb-b529a76578d3)

[Mark]

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

You should be nicer to your members and more respectful, Bill. Everything y'all say here about the conspiracies having to do with Biden being crazy and all of the other things that HAVE NOT HAPPENED ARE LAUGHABLE AND UNINFORMED AS WELL WITH NO PROOF TO THE CONTRARY.

Instead of balance, you are to the Right and CULTURE COMES FROM THE TOP.

That is all fine for you to be that way as it is your personal way of being but for you as the Leader to come down on members is not good practice and probably why most people who are ALTERNATIVE COMMUNITY JUST LIKE YALL ON THE ALTRIGHT

have left.

[Gracy]

Cant help but think that many who are not on this forum and some who are, miss the point.

Its not about Trump or Biden this is a war against evil.
In a normal war the enemy is clearly defined --we can bomb their country, they bomb ours.

Here you can be a collaborator -- virtually supporting some of what they do without realizing what is the base of all this --it is evil beyond comprehension.
One is completely for the side of freedom of speech-- freedom of the individual --or you support draconian rules that are not designed for the good of man kind.

It's the same thing Chris, just packaged differently.

Trump represents the side of good, Biden represents the side of evil. If I've somehow got that wrong someone point the way.

Extrapolating out from there: news sources Trump supportive can be trusted, news sources non Trump supportive cannot.


The Dems never reformed after the 2016 campaign where Sanders was disenfranchised. During the earlier days in the 2019 campaign I really liked Tulsi Gabbard. She was systematically canceled by the Dems. I then could hardly believe it that Biden was brought forward because lots of people AGAIN wanted Sanders

I really liked Tulsi as well, very rare for me to feel that way about any major politician. It was really something watching the dems pulling a fast one in hustling the nomination from Bernie, yet again.

A repulsive bunch they are...


Sanders apparently was bought off some how.

I don't think he was bought off, I think he just showed what a cuck he can be when faced with the raw psychopathic power and influence of the overall democratic establishment. He wanted a revolution, but not if it meant having to settle matters in a cage match so to speak. And that's exactly what it would have taken.

Trump was willing and even excited to do just that in '16, and look at what it got him. Now he all but owns the republican party.

Nope, Bernie had 2 chances to duke it out center ring no holds barred, and he just wasn't up to it. When push comes to shove he goes along to get along.


There are silos being created, which in turn allow for distinct models of reality to be constructed. It's a very dangerous world when people have a completely different view of reality, of what the issues are, of what people or institutions believe or represent. This is fertile ground in which to demonise the other and create scapegoats and strawmen to divert and divide people amongst themselves.

That's exactly right, and that is exactly what is happening. Good analogy! :highfive:

[Mark]

Perhaps Biden followers are not eager to speak out.

Why should we be. The repression going on in the MSM is mirrored in the AltCom with those who can be considered to be the AltLeft. The AltRight is free to say what they want and use any terms to denigrate us here. It is a human tribal thing and real and as a part of the global community Project Avalon is just as subject to the dichotomy as every other part of society the planet across.

[Ewan]

Perhaps Biden followers are not eager to speak out.

Why should we be. The repression going on in the MSM is mirrored in the AltCom with those who can be considered to be the AltLeft. The AltRight is free to say what they want and use any terms to denigrate us here. It is a human tribal thing and real and as a part of the global community Project Avalon is just as subject to the dichotomy as every other part of society the planet across.

Hi Mark,

Please don't go, I don't believe we have ever 'talked' directly before. I don't really understand your post above, "repression in the MSM" - in particular.

Understand I do not listen to any news media in my own country by choice, unfortunatley the radio stations insist on giving me news reports with monotonous regularity. News, what the hell does it even mean. Here is what we want to tell you!!!

So, when I drive around, (I drive for a living), I used to hear almost daily mentions of the latest Trump gaffe or mad behaviour. It was almost without fail presented as 'How crazy is this guy?'
I'm, rather obviously, in the UK and our media was overwhelmingly negative when it came to Trump. Since Biden came to power I hardly ever hear anything about him.

Now you may be thinking, "What the F is this guy on about?", and that is kind of my point. Without using Google I genuinely don't know right from left, red from blue, and I mean this mosr sincerely. I am so apolitical I don't know which colour Trump was nor which Biden is. Nor do I know if Trump was left or right. None of it makes any sense to me because I have no interest and therefore no dog in the fight.

I don't know what AltRight means any more than I know what AltLeft means, if there is an alternative to the left, or right, is that not a sign of further division being manufacured?

Why would anyone even listen to them?

It does seem clear you identify with one side, that you have a 'dog in the fight'. Doesn't that mean you will always find something to disagree with - to fight against.

Dichotomy may be the nature of the entire planet as long as we have belief systems to adhere to. How does one break free from that?

I'm fairly confident that both Trump and Biden have dark secrets, power creates more difficult hurdles to overcome. They invariably fail because their motives were never pure in the first place. So really, what difference does it make?

[DeDukshyn]

Perhaps Biden followers are not eager to speak out.

Why should we be. The repression going on in the MSM is mirrored in the AltCom with those who can be considered to be the AltLeft. The AltRight is free to say what they want and use any terms to denigrate us here. It is a human tribal thing and real and as a part of the global community Project Avalon is just as subject to the dichotomy as every other part of society the planet across.


I know of many people who supported Biden for very different reasons. I do know a few that only supported him because of Trump, and now they don't have much positive to say.

I think there's many reasons to support Biden, but I wonder where on the spectrum of reasons each person would be. It may be helpful for people who don't support Biden to understand.

For example, I would like to know how much of each would play into it (also I would like to do the same with Trump supporters, because there' a lot to learn in this no matter which direction)

1) I didn't want Trump in, Biden was the alternative.
2) I've been following Joe's political career for years and I genuinely think he is the best person to run America.
3) I identify with left values/party in general, so I have to vote left.
4) I don't know too much about Joe, but he seems like a good guy.
etc.

Just an example, more points would likely be needed to cover the full spectrum of reasoning - where answers can be a percentage 0-100% "true". I think if we had all that information before jumping to judgement on Biden supporters we would probably be able to see things a little differently than having Biden "non-supporters" casting quick judgement.

I would never have voted Biden in a million years - but I would have voted Gabbard long before any republican, for me left/right has nothing to do with politics - I refuse to support that evil "divide and conquer" artificial construct. I think we tend to oversimplify the picture in order to justify our own judgments that we each might internally hold.

I try not to hold any politician in high regard. Its exactly like the meme states: "Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper actually likes you."

I try to instead support the things that may help bring about change to the entire political landscape, to challenge peoples political ideals and fantasies, and plant seeds that make them think that there may indeed be better ways of creating the future than reducing our choices to one of two.

That's why I couldn't care less about who supports who ... Its not all that relevant when the entire system in which it is encapsulated was specifically designed to not correct any problem, but support long term elitist goals and decision making.

[Mark]

Please don't go, I don't believe we have ever 'talked' directly before.

Hey Ewan, I'm not going anywhere. I retired a year or so ago and just returned a few months ago I think. This is my community too. I'm part of the Alternative Community and have been for decades. For me, I choose Project Avalon as the space of my expression after in-depth experience elsewhere and after having left this space for probably a few years in toto over the decade that I've been a member.

I always check on it when I'm not a member. So why should I ever leave it again? If I get too passionate and if this space gets too nasty for me, I may take a sabbatical if I need to but I even doubt I'll do that. This is where the conversation is, I've got friends here and people I love and respect and I've contributed a massive amount of writing to this space as well as my energy.

I just want that out there, to say it for myself but also for those who may think the same as you. Thank you for giving me the opportunity.

The only way I will leave from this point on is if Bill and the Mods kick me.


I don't really understand your post above, "repression in the MSM" - in particular.

Folks in the AltRight have been kicked unceremoniously off of YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and every other MSM platform. The whole Fake News thing has resulted in topics that do not comply with the mainstream narrative from being expressed.

I'm currently on Warning Status myself on FB, they will probably put me in FB Jail soon and then ban me eventually. That is what I mean by repression.


So, when I drive around, (I drive for a living), I used to hear almost daily mentions of the latest Trump gaffe or mad behaviour. It was almost without fail presented as 'How crazy is this guy?'
I'm, rather obviously, in the UK and our media was overwhelmingly negative when it came to Trump. Since Biden came to power I hardly ever hear anything about him.

I love driving for a living. That is so much fun. I did it in the military and I also delivered mail packages for a while. So freeing to be on your own schedule. Trump has been exorcised from the MSM. Many pundits on the Left won't even say his name.


Now you may be thinking, "What the F is this guy on about?", and that is kind of my point. Without using Google I genuinely don't know right from left, red from blue, and I mean this mosr sincerely. I am so apolitical I don't know which colour Trump was nor which Biden is. Nor do I know if Trump was left or right. None of it makes any sense to me because I have no interest and therefore no dog in the fight.

I don't know what AltRight means any more than I know what AltLeft means, if there is an alternative to the left, or right, is that not a sign of further division being manufacured?

I just started a new thread where I expect others to jump in and engage. I will talk more about that there. Please come and check it out, I don't want to be off-topic on this thread any longer since it is about Biden. Sorry Thread Owner!


It does seem clear you identify with one side, that you have a 'dog in the fight'. Doesn't that mean you will always find something to disagree with - to fight against.

Dichotomy may be the nature of the entire planet as long as we have belief systems to adhere to. How does one break free from that?

I'm fairly confident that both Trump and Biden have dark secrets, power creates more difficult hurdles to overcome. They invariably fail because their motives were never pure in the first place. So really, what difference does it make?

I will answer this one last part, I don't identify as AltRight because I don't believe a lot of the things they believe. I can't.

Many - not all, or probably even close to all - who identify with the AltRight don't seem to like folks who look like me. There are demonstrably racists who call themselves AltRight who would like to see me dead. We can have further conversation on a thread dedicated to this topic.

Sorry again for being off-topic!

:focus:

[greybeard]

Cant help but think that many who are not on this forum and some who are, miss the point.

Its not about Trump or Biden this is a war against evil.
In a normal war the enemy is clearly defined --we can bomb their country, they bomb ours.

Here you can be a collaborator -- virtually supporting some of what they do without realizing what is the base of all this --it is evil beyond comprehension.
One is completely for the side of freedom of speech-- freedom of the individual --or you support draconian rules that are not designed for the good of man kind.

It's the same thing Chris, just packaged differently.

Trump represents the side of good, Biden represents the side of evil. If I've somehow got that wrong someone point the way.

Extrapolating out from there: news sources Trump supportive can be trusted, news sources non Trump supportive cannot.


The Dems never reformed after the 2016 campaign where Sanders was disenfranchised. During the earlier days in the 2019 campaign I really liked Tulsi Gabbard. She was systematically canceled by the Dems. I then could hardly believe it that Biden was brought forward because lots of people AGAIN wanted Sanders

I really liked Tulsi as well, very rare for me to feel that way about any major politician. It was really something watching the dems pulling a fast one in hustling the nomination from Bernie, yet again.

A repulsive bunch they are...


Sanders apparently was bought off some how.

I don't think he was bought off, I think he just showed what a cuck he can be when faced with the raw psychopathic power and influence of the overall democratic establishment. He wanted a revolution, but not if it meant having to settle matters in a cage match so to speak. And that's exactly what it would have taken.

Trump was willing and even excited to do just that in '16, and look at what it got him. Now he all but owns the republican party.

Nope, Bernie had 2 chances to duke it out center ring no holds barred, and he just wasn't up to it. When push comes to shove he goes along to get along.


There are silos being created, which in turn allow for distinct models of reality to be constructed. It's a very dangerous world when people have a completely different view of reality, of what the issues are, of what people or institutions believe or represent. This is fertile ground in which to demonise the other and create scapegoats and strawmen to divert and divide people amongst themselves.

That's exactly right, and that is exactly what is happening. Good analogy! :highfive:

Its not the same thing Gracy

I look at end results -- cause and effect.
What is going on is horrific --many avoidable deaths --people --children scarred mentally and physically.

Its gone far beyond who is the best President for America -- who won --who lost.
As long as we debate who truly won the election we are missing what is happening all over the world at the moment.

This has been planned for many years -- Trump and Biden are just in place for the moment. It could have been anyone -- any time.
At least Trump has stated that there are those in the Republican Party who shall be prosecuted.

Its the energy behind the greed, corruption and all else that is the culprit -- call it evil -- call it the Devil

It will never be New Boss, Same Regime.
We have a chance to move beyond this circle.

To my mind it is--- A spiritual war.
Its world wide.
We must win this and we will.

Chris

[Gracy]

Its gone far beyond who is the best President for America -- who won --who lost.
As long as we debate who truly won the election we are missing what is happening all over the world at the moment.

This has been planned for many years -- Trump and Biden are just in place for the moment. It could have been anyone -- any time.


So this is like rinse, lather, repeat.

If the plot is so much bigger than any one politician (of which I fully agree btw), and these guys are just placeholders (of which I also agree!), why spend so much time and effort plastering pro Trump and stop the steal stuff all over the forum?

Either it matters, or it doesn't. Which is it?

If it doesn't matter, then Sydney Powell, Lin Wood, Mike Lindell, Rudy Giulliani and the rest of the gang don't matter either. As well as Joe Biden doesn't matter. You should already have moved on to bigger and better things if such is really the case, bigger fish to fry like the power hierarchy behind all these people, but you didn't.

A lot of people say they are beyond politics, yet the posting history does not bear that out when so many posts highly favor one side of the political great divide, and those who support and spread those particular ideas.

[Satori]

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

You should be nicer to your members and more respectful, Bill. Everything y'all say here about the conspiracies having to do with Biden being crazy and all of the other things that HAVE NOT HAPPENED ARE LAUGHABLE AND UNINFORMED AS WELL WITH NO PROOF TO THE CONTRARY.

Instead of balance, you are to the Right and CULTURE COMES FROM THE TOP.

That is all fine for you to be that way as it is your personal way of being but for you as the Leader to come down on members is not good practice and probably why most people who are ALTERNATIVE COMMUNITY JUST LIKE YALL ON THE ALTRIGHT

have left.


Good riddance as to them. I hope you follow suit, along with your other fellow travelers.

[Bill Ryan]

Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more! :)

You should be nicer to your members and more respectful, Bill. Everything y'all say here about the conspiracies having to do with Biden being crazy and all of the other things that HAVE NOT HAPPENED ARE LAUGHABLE AND UNINFORMED AS WELL WITH NO PROOF TO THE CONTRARY.

Instead of balance, you are to the Right and CULTURE COMES FROM THE TOP.

That is all fine for you to be that way as it is your personal way of being but for you as the Leader to come down on members is not good practice and probably why most people who are ALTERNATIVE COMMUNITY JUST LIKE YALL ON THE ALTRIGHT

have left.Laughable and uninformed it was. :)

[Mark]

Good riddance as to them. I hope you follow suit, along with your other fellow travelers.

Scorpion Scorpio in effect, your stinger is powerful to those able to be stung by it. That's right, just banish all who disagree with you from your existence.

You sound like the genocidal controllers.

[Mark]

Laughable and uninformed it was. :)

For you and some sycophants it seems, yes. Still a bad leadership example, though, and indicative of problems that will only increase as time passes.

[Hym]

More to the point of this discussion....Something about nurturing and letting go of useless discussions, especially any that we hold with ourselves.

It sure is a beautiful day today!
Sincerely, so. I will not mark my focus on a day trying to convince anyone of anything they are so fixed about.....
..when I can enjoy a day like this.

Even on a cold and gloomy day, it is never as gloomy as some of the things folks do with each other.

"Laughable and uninformed" it was.

Sycophants? Not many here. I will agree when I agree. I will disagree, usually strongly, when I disagree. I have no hesitation. Sometimes I don't even engage, because it may be pointless when no one is given another viable viewpoint.

I wonder, like others, how someone new on Avalon could be so uninformed about so many subjects?
There were so many incongruities that it would be a waste of time to point out each one, which makes it laughable.

Exomatrix said it well...

"Spin Doctor" ?
How spin doctors destroyed our democracy:

So when any public "debate" starts ... they expect you to "correct" all of it ... thus depriving you to speak your focus of attention! ... Hijacking the focus of attention is the name of the game in Mainstream Lamestream Media ... They know there is almost never time left for you to share your research/insights as you are distracted 24/7 to dismantle & correct the endless errors of the Spin Doctors aka "Perception Managers", in my view all by design.

What is worse? People repeating & spreading the spin doctors "talking points" as gospel ... beLIEving the lies & deceptions, the sold narrative, blindly trusting what MSM is spoon-fed them all their life OR the Spin Doctors themselves?

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
May 1st, 2021 "


Bill was also insightful when he took the time to proffer this:

"Here's a critique, as Socrates might have asked the questions.

Trump/GOP staged an insurrection — Did he?
despite a national certified & audited vote — Was it?
Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet — Are you sure?
and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years. — He has??
Biden was articulate, intelligent — Was he?
Biden is seen as… a genuine leader with compassion — Is he?
addressing climate change? — You mean the coming global solar minimum?
Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined — He does? ('intelligent' is spelled with two ‘L’s. btw.)
a warrior when he needs to be — You mean attacking Syria?
If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. — Are you quite sure he wasn’t installed to bring America down?"


What some want is for those of us who have read extensively, especially and specifically from in depth threads on this site, along with thousands upon thousands of readings, papers and videos from other sources, and who have dialoged with people of every perspective, have lived as much for others as ourselves-maybe more, have been open and accepting..... to apply those same experiences into accepting abject ignorance and laziness.

I'm not here to back up Bill as much as I am here to remind folks that it should be completely acceptable for him to call a spade a spade. Wow. Bill's human. Who would have guessed?

[Hym]

So, at what point is Bill allowed to express himself......even as innocuous as saying "laughable and uninformed" is? My disagreement with Bill here would be that it was obviously Highly Uninformed at the least. So Bill exerts a high level of self control and he is criticized for it? My most relevant question would be why would anyone, with what many here would consider delusional writing even be on this site?

The welcomed new member promotes, just as did the former president, things as dangerous as experimental inoculations, never before tested as per over a century of safety protocol, and also promotes completely trashing the world wide standard of proof of viral threat thru Koch's Postulates as a testing method, and that is a good thing?

As for the lie of "climate change" which is the most blatant in your face emotional manipulation of basic human survival instincts, instead of the failed invention of the previous narrative called AGW.....All to divert the attention away from all of the free energy secrets ONLY citizen tax dollars have funded.

Those of us who worked in and got degrees in natural building know that the "climate change" push is all political and not even the reality of the effect of solar forcing and solar cycles upon the climate. Who here if any consider the manipulation of public funding for a political agenda and the profit of a few, that is decidedly a lie and a manipulation of weather data, to be an intelligent path for a nation to go in, when it is clearly stated as Agenda 21 and 2030 'climate goals'. When free energy has been the reality for over 70 years, and 300 mpg carburetors created earlier than that, home heating systems invented from ambient energy before that, and with all of the waste the fake green energy industries have spent, at least this site is open to revealing the truth and not allowing the political posturing to go unchallenged.

The bigger question may be what we should all be like if a troll were to come on the site and completely oppose a majority of the consensus views, views that were developed from a considerably large amount of data, years of personal experience and engaging, insightful dialogue from a wide diversity of personal and professional viewpoints?

For someone spending over a decade with a publicly accessible site, with no other motive than spreading and discovering hidden truths, then to become responsible for such massive disclosures...while herding all of the kittens, dogs, lions, elephants and a fair number of snakes in the grass, I'm very appreciative of Bill's efforts here. And there are some here who know him well enough to know that he doesn't want or need us to give him any slack, most likely from the fact that our connections are loving....

Doesn't he have a Q & A thread that says bring it on? Although I often express gratitude for such depth and unique insights, I would not ever characterize Avalon as Alt. Anything. If the humanity and the sharing isn't enough for anyone and if it doesn't fit, why be here?

Hey, I saw Trump coming, just as I have seen all politicians come and go. I saw him as a prep for the biggest con the controllers have ever pulled. A grand diversion. A ploy. The current pres. is, as has been stated here on this thread, a continuation of a narrative that is more about testing the bounds of what global control can get away with.

These are my friends here, some I consider family, and I had to watch their energies being diverted and in contrast, sometimes put to an awakening, which is what I had found to be a very good thing for the species and the world they occupy. Defining difference when it is not constructive is only destructive and abusive. Who cares but those who have a problem with the difference, unable at the moment to see the larger manipulation of us not getting together.

Joey Bubbles and the Orangutan are useless when it comes to some of the real issues, while simultaneously having an effect on some productive ones, albeit much less and some more than each other.

The last pres. changed the narrative seemingly to a unique degree, yet only to promote division, unhealthy acceptance of the medical cult and always playing nice with those insiders he knows to be corrupt. And the Qish questionable hopium, delivering partial truths, endless promises of justice and deep reform? My dog got gas just hearing me talking about that.......Have you ever been with an animal, who upon hearing human dialogue gives you that "WTF are you talking about" look? He only watches the news for the weather and some cool documentaries, the same as me.

And JB? He's done that for all of his adult life. Talk about racist...he was the major sponsor of the racist crime bill, that deliberately incarcerated minority citizens for profit, instead of investing in minority communities, K to 12 infrastructure and teacher funding, as well as being absent in providing scholarship and pre-college prep. and on and on. All of those white politicians funded their own communities and many of the minority politicians played the same game, giving very little to their own. Reminds me of Nixon aides promising the OG's of the Crips and Bloods in L.A. massive infrastructure and educational funding, only to remain silent after the election.

Equality begins with economic opportunity and the current pres. was only blowing with the wind when he suddenly stopped supporting the ultra-white supremacist Sen. Thurmond and took up issues more centrist. He even supported Thomas for the SCourt when the accusations against him were solid, with nothing but a downside for the accuser, Anita Hill. I see, yet still disagree, as to why many here gravitated towards the former pres., but promoting the present carrier of the political continuum that is based on nothing changing is only a recognition of resigning oneself to going along to get along. There is no time left for that.

Gee, why even talk about this, if not for the amazing presumption on this rare site of a basic level of investigative cognition that each member is expected to come here with or develop over time, and those many of us here taking the time to respond.

[Mark]

A question was asked about Biden.

I responded, then responded to Bill's comment to another member.

Nothing was said about how wonderful the site is. We love Project Avalon. Big fan here. And, of its creator.

Nothing should be sacrosanct here, nobody should be either. Nobody questions Bill's right to sharing his opinion. He is a Leader though and I don't make up the reality that Leaders are held to a different standard. That's not me, that's the world.

[Hym]

Nothing should be sacrosanct anywhere, just like calling diatribes out for what they are should not be sacrosanct here on Avalon.

When that word becomes clearer in context, I'd say yes there are some things in many places that should be sacrosanct. Like, what is the point of such uninformed repetitions of the manipulative media narrative that facilitates the further enslavement of the world, on this site, one of the few formed and valued by it's discussions and discovery. If we even wanted the slightest amount of that mindless, controlling narrative all we would have to do is turn on the msm news.

I don't hold Bill to a different standard than anyone I know.
Same with my friends to me, and to anyone else I know on this planet.

It is obvious that Bill has held himself to a higher standard already.

We don't know what he has stayed quiet about, just out of his great deal of discipline and respect for divergent opinions. However, asking him to remain quiet about some things so contrary to the scholarship and personal outlook of many here, is unreasonable....

His comment was fine with me. Very understated, in fact.


I find it odd that someone, like the aforementioned new member, with such divergent opinions and a seeming lack of investigation, would even be here.

Instead of going issue by issue and questioning a common view from members here, which is what we do here with each other, that member just railed off one point after another without inviting dialogue. That makes me wonder if he ever went into any depth here in reading the posts and discovering the threads truths or inconsistencies.

That post of his was way out in left field, and like Exomatrix suggested, it seemed like a paste and copy of the msm narrative and not enjoining us here to discuss why our views may be so different than his.

[greybeard]

Its gone far beyond who is the best President for America -- who won --who lost.
As long as we debate who truly won the election we are missing what is happening all over the world at the moment.

This has been planned for many years -- Trump and Biden are just in place for the moment. It could have been anyone -- any time.


So this is like rinse, lather, repeat.

If the plot is so much bigger than any one politician (of which I fully agree btw), and these guys are just placeholders (of which I also agree!), why spend so much time and effort plastering pro Trump and stop the steal stuff all over the forum?

Either it matters, or it doesn't. Which is it?

If it doesn't matter, then Sydney Powell, Lin Wood, Mike Lindell, Rudy Giulliani and the rest of the gang don't matter either. As well as Joe Biden doesn't matter. You should already have moved on to bigger and better things if such is really the case, bigger fish to fry like the power hierarchy behind all these people, but you didn't.

A lot of people say they are beyond politics, yet the posting history does not bear that out when so many posts highly favor one side of the political great divide, and those who support and spread those particular ideas.

Yes Gracy perhaps you should look at posting history in particular the ones where you supported PCR tests and rubbished me for pointing out the truth that the tests are not fit for purpose.
The whole Covid thing collapses when it is accepted that the PCR tests just dont prove the virus is live and infectious.
Im not in denial that there is a flu like virus which has killed roughly the same number as seasonal flu.

I did not have to move on as I continue to post on the Enlightenment and other matters thread and that is my answer to the spiritual war. The people you demean "Sydney Powell, Lin Wood, Mike Lindell, Rudy Giulliani and the rest of the gang" are clear that this is a spiritual war and not about politics which Is why I post their videos.
There does not seem to be spiritual videos of Biden

I have also posted a lot on what Professionals --Doctors, Lawyers have said.
I have never voted except once when I was 18. (SNP)
If American I would not vote
I post on Quantum Financial System which if it comes into being is a massive step forward a far cry from your statement So this is like rinse, lather, repeat.

Also posted Thrive 2 documentary which is a step forward.

Foster Gamble supports Gesara Nesara and has seen the Chinese Dragon Gold which would be used to support QFS.
This post may be a shade of subject but it all hangs in together regarding a better future.
Chris

[Spindoctor]

Nothing should be sacrosanct anywhere, just like calling diatribes out for what they are should not be sacrosanct here on Avalon.

When that word becomes clearer in context, I'd say yes there are some things in many places that should be sacrosanct. Like, what is the point of such uninformed repetitions of the manipulative media narrative that facilitates the further enslavement of the world, on this site, one of the few formed and valued by it's discussions and discovery. If we even wanted the slightest amount of that mindless, controlling narrative all we would have to do is turn on the msm news.

Where do you get your genuine news, information, factual research and truthful verifiable opinion from if the MSM are not to be trusted? Do you rely on social media, here or Fox, Conservative media, Alex Jones, Wilcox? How can you write off all media as being controlled in their news, issues and discussion. Some are, some aren't but individual discernment is vital.

I don't hold Bill to a different standard than anyone I know. Same with my friends to me, and to anyone else I know on this planet.
It is obvious that Bill has held himself to a higher standard already. We don't know what he has stayed quiet about, just out of his great deal of discipline and respect for divergent opinions. However, asking him to remain quiet about some things so contrary to the scholarship and personal outlook of many here, is unreasonable.... His comment was fine with me. Very understated, in fact.

Bill didn't respond with anything other than condescension, how is that holding him to a higher standard when he could simply have replied with relevant informative and factual easily checked comments.

I find it odd that someone, like the aforementioned new member, with such divergent opinions and a seeming lack of investigation, would even be here.
Instead of going issue by issue and questioning a common view from members here, which is what we do here with each other, that member just railed off one point after another without inviting dialogue. That makes me wonder if he ever went into any depth here in reading the posts and discovering the threads truths or inconsistencies. That post of his was way out in left field, and like Exomatrix suggested, it seemed like a paste and copy of the msm narrative and not enjoining us here to discuss why our views may be so different than his.

I am asking myself why do I bother. but I never ran away from addressing falsehoods, lies, spin, or propaganda.
The poster asked for opinions on Biden, I gave one. Others here have also said they give Biden a tick for a huge investment in people and the nation to boost jobs, living standards etc Some oppose him blaming him for every real and imaginary issue when a little bit of checking shows there are a range of factors involved in issues even some impacting them, some well outside Bidens powers to ever control, but he makes an easy target for the lazy, biased and those with an axe to grind.


It is up to you to comment on my input as you see fit.. No one has yet refuted point by point any of the statements I made with anything other than bias, bile, derision, fabrication and evident distaste. Why is it that a differing view from outside your apparently closed shop 'reality' poses a threat to discussion here? If I am out of left field what does that say about your readiness to accept research and experience from outside your sphere?

[Journeyman]

I am asking myself why do I bother. but I never ran away from addressing falsehoods, lies, spin, or propaganda.
The poster asked for opinions on Biden, I gave one. Others here have also said they give Biden a tick for a huge investment in people and the nation to boost jobs, living standards etc Some oppose him blaming him for every real and imaginary issue when a little bit of checking shows there are a range of factors involved in issues even some impacting them, some well outside Bidens powers to ever control, but he makes an easy target for the lazy, biased and those with an axe to grind.

It is up to you to comment on my input as you see fit.. No one has yet refuted point by point any of the statements I made with anything other than bias, bile, derision, fabrication and evident distaste. Why is it that a differing view from outside your apparently closed shop 'reality' poses a threat to discussion here? If I am out of left field what does that say about your readiness to accept research and experience from outside your sphere?

Considering that a multiplicity of wildly differing viewpoints are expressed on this site every day without incurring any more than a spirited refutation in response you may want to consider your own part in this conversation? Are you genuinely interested in engaging with people who feel a different way to you in an open and honest way, or are you choosing to frame your comments in the way most likely to push people's buttons, troll them and invite an acrimonious response? Perhaps something for you to reflect upon, or not as you see fit and of course, apologies if I'm misreading your intent. :)


Still waiting for a reasoned, intelligent response to my comments on Biden and the better future prospects for many under his policies. So far I've got overt cynicism, bias and smear, even my nickname apparently triggers some. So here is home grown opinion from an American rather than an outsider looking in. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/01/opinion/sunday/biden-fdr-americans.html?smid=tw-share

I am just such an outsider, albeit someone who used to call the US home, but I'll pick up the gauntlet on your previous post, leave it to you and others to assess how much reason and intelligence is on show however!


From the outset Biden moved to call for unity in the face of the stark Dem/GOP divide and for total action by everyone on Covid. How is getting a pandemic under control, vitally needed job creation, trillions in infrastructure spending, affordable healthcare, education, social housing and other boosts to standards of living dismantling the republic?

I think this argument is a little straw man in its construction. I've not seen many make the argument that fighting the pandemic for instance is tantamount to dismantling the republic, although there's been some bickering over whether Biden is taking credit for Trump's warp speed plan.

I have seen a lot of concern over the 'trillions in infrastructure' spending however and not just from the right (https://youtu.be/gRWbAjy-P4E). In particular I've seen concern over the redefining of infrastructure to encompass a lot more than the 'roads, rails and utilities' that people traditionally understood the word to mean. If you look at how much of the money is being directed to those and how much to very different destinations, you may understand some of the concerns being raised, not least in the view of the massive deficit in public spending and the implications that may have on the USD and its status as a global reserve currency. Dismantle that and the republic would overnight be a very different economic animal.

The only area where immediate policies have been mentioned as threatening national security would be the changes made on policing the border. There appear to be some very genuine concerns being raised on this, again not simply from the right.


Trump/GOP staged an insurrection despite a national certified & audited vote installed a democratic government.

I think you have to understand that this is very much contested. Not perhaps in the mainstream media where it seems that any reference to disputed election results has to be followed by the word 'baseless claims', but where debate on this is allowed on social media or elsewhere its clear that many people continue to have major concerns about the election result itself, the auditing and the certification. You would also have to justify the statement 'staged an insurrection' perhaps by quoting Trump's statements to the crowd or explaining the decisions on security policy at the Capitol and who made those calls?


Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years.

Again, perhaps beyond the scope of this this thread, but this again is in contention. You have no problem dismissing the claims others make, so understand this cuts both ways and your own unsupported claims may receive the same fate. Such is online discourse.


Where is your proof Biden is not in charge?

I don't have anything definitive, nothing that would stand in a court of law, there are some very odd things which I could point to, but do you really want that? If you're open minded about it and are willing to explore it further let me know and I'll point you to some of the things which suggest all is not as it would seem on the surface. It's a trip down the rabbit hole however and I don't get the feeling that you have an open mind on this question.


The guy is in the chair, the buck stops with him and as the world has seen in his first 100 days he is very hands on.. Where is your evidence of biden's mental deterioration or are you just repeating fox/GOP BS and smears? I watched the debate, Biden was articulate, intelligent and knew his facts unlike the shouty idiot. Worldwide Biden is seen as a breath of fresh air, a genuine leader with compassion who has quickly made other nations pull up their socks when it comes to addressing climate change, implementing renewables and other beneficial policies. He already is going to tackle that big no no, going after the trillions hidden by billionaire corporations in tax havens

The response to the debates seemed to mostly track down party lines. You rated Biden's performance but, Trump followers believed their guy did better and they also raised concerns about the partiality of the debate moderators.


People who voted for Biden were tired of serial liars and self enriching carpetbaggers on both sides of the house who only spoke on the orders of their backers to gut your environmental, wages, health, education, consumer protection policies and safeguards. Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined, very politically savvy to survive this long, and a warrior when he needs to be. He faces a raft of systemic issues from racism, poverty, starvation wages, extortionate healthcare in a system relying on economic slavery/cop brutality and vote gerrymandering to keep people poor and powerless. If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. Americas current positive future direction, economy, society and individual welfare at this stage is lookingf vastly better than a year ago.

From the above I'd agree on the shared distaste for carpetbaggers and beltway insiders, but think an 47 year DC politician is an unlikely choice to set a new course. I don't think Joe's performance during the campaign or in the very rare public moments since election has been impressive, there's been a series of high profile mistakes made in speeches which do not give me the same impression of Biden's competence.

I'll close by saying I hope that you are right in your assessment and that things improve for the citizens of the US and the wider world which will be a safer and more predictable environment with a stable US govt.

[Pam]

I can't help but feel as though we are witnessing an attempt at a "woke" cancel culture take down. Someone expresses a bunch of opinions and the comment is made that these statements are" laughable and uninformed". The statement is not a personal insult, it is merely a personal observation, a personal opinion.

The recipient of the comment had several options. He could research his information and back up his statements with facts. If he does have valid facts than many of us will have learned something and Spin doctor will be a more mature researcher for his efforts. If he is unable to back up his statements ( this has happened to me more than once) he could begin to examine his belief systems and possibly look into his trust of those that claim to present facts. Anothert option is he could simply abandon coming to this forum. Then there is a more titilating option that he could become a victim. The victim doesn't need facts, they need those that enjoy the role of righteous defender, those that will come to his backing in a state of righteous indignation. Later they can take comfort in the goodness of their actions.(I know this from personal experience) We can magnify his victim hood if we add some new rules. The owner of a forum must he held to higher standards. Now we have a victim with special circumstances. And Bill is held to these higher standards because..because that's the way the world is.

What's next..he can't be kicked out because it is his forum? Maybe tar and feathering. Maybe sharing this on Victigram, or is it Instagram so other righteous viewers can be enraged? I don't know, you tell me.

[One]

In summary, I think the answer to the question you were really asking Doug, is "NO".

And even when people who don't want poisons injected into their bodies get rounded up into rail carts, it will still probably be "NO" sadly.

[thepainterdoug]

The response Spindoctor made earlier to this post almost leaves me speechless. I dont know how anyone could see something so differently. It really makes me feel powerless to make any sense out of anything anymore. It actually reminds me of Pro wrestling when you know its fake but they carry on as if its real. Just say its real long enough and it will stick.

so ok, example/ Biden reversed the building of the wall and trumps border policies. and now we are in a crisis at the border. thousands of illegals, and children crossing over.
And Biden says its not his fault ? Its the other countries like Guatamala, Mexico and so on that are causing it ?
Well hellooooo ??? W T F? Hasnt it been that way forever? Thats why all countries have borders in the first place.
Thats why you need to apply for citizenship not only here, but everywhere. Apply that is!

someone, please help me with this logic ?

[Gracy]

This is a classic example of where both Trump, Biden, and every other US politician wildly loses the plot.

Why are things so effed up in places like Mexico, and Guatemala, in the first place? Only by beginning trouble shooting the problem with that question, will we ever actually be on our way to actually solving the problem.

End the drug war, that’s a death blow to the cartels.

Get the CIA out of places like Guatemala, let them govern things as they see fit without bloody coups and such, and see how many people keep surging the borders to get out.

But we don’t want to solve these problems, it’s useful to not let anyone else in “our back yard” get too strong or prosperous.

[thepainterdoug]

THANK YOU GRACIE MAY! Agreed!

And this becomes an entire new discussion, one that will simply not be solved .

Why should there be borders at all? But there will not be an easy answer .

Why lock your doors? Why not leave the keys in your car? Why protect anything you have or own?

the large to the small, the macro to micro, all reflect the answer

~
Let me add to my reply above. Gracie said something I agree with ,but this will tail off into an off topic discussion.

We do have borders. We do have a crisis. We do have a 2nd amendment. We do have guns. We do have drug cartels. We do have a population hungry for drugs who will buy them and keep the cartels in business .We are in debate over our environment and so on. These are realities not going away with any president.

To say if this and if that, doesn't really apply here to this topic.

Trump built a wall and had a position on protecting our sovereignty.

Biden undid all Trump did and we have a crisis. He didnt do it for the benifit of this country or for the benifit of the people flooding in.
He did it because thats what the dems want. They want voters and to keep people on the government dole as insurance.
They want power, just like the Republicans do. its a matter of which of both bad systems do you want?

My feeling on our borders has nothing to do with race. 100% nothing.

We either have a border, a policy, and a route to becoming a legal citizen or we don't.

And letting these people flood in against the law is an injustice to anyone who has waited on line to do so the legal way.

[Spindoctor]

THANK YOU GRACIE MAY! Agreed!
Let me add to my reply above. Gracie said something I agree with ,but this will tail off into an off topic discussion.
We do have borders. We do have a crisis. We do have a 2nd amendment. We do have guns. We do have drug cartels. We do have a population hungry for drugs who will buy them and keep the cartels in business .We are in debate over our environment and so on. These are realities not going away with any president.
You acknowledge the above grim realities but project bias when it comes to Biden

Trump built a wall and had a position on protecting our sovereignty.
Trump openly went after brown people and other foreigners calling them rapists, murderers, gang members, terrorists in a blatant and divisive racist appeal to white voters, to gather in the proud boys, militias and GOP diehards. He lashed blacks, muslims, before he tried to get elected. His view of US soveriegnty was purely for self empowerment..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/trumps-undemocratic-obsession-with-sovereignty/598822/ .. "In his deeds, rather than in his words, Trump is concerned only with internal sovereignty, which has to do with the question of who has the final legitimate authority within a state. And he is advancing a particularly self-serving version of that idea—one in which he is the sovereign, free not so much from foreign interference, but from the internal institutions that exist to scrutinize and curb his executive power. This kind of sovereignty is an enemy of democracy, not its ally."

"Biden undid all Trump did and we have a crisis. He didnt do it for the benifit of this country or for the benifit of the people flooding in.
He did it because thats what the dems want. They want voters and to keep people on the government dole as insurance.
They want power, just like the Republicans do. its a matter of which of both bad systems do you want?
My feeling on our borders has nothing to do with race. 100% nothing.We either have a border, a policy, and a route to becoming a legal citizen or we don't.
And letting these people flood in against the law is an injustice to anyone who has waited on line to do so the legal way.

Fact Biden is trying to undo the worst excesses of trumps storm troopers victimising people held in concentration camps where you have kids sleeping on concrete , He can't undo all that trump harmed nor is the immigration influx the result of bidens election.
Trump spent billions on a wall that migrants jump daily using $5 ladders. The wall is still there, the people flood has continued before, during and after Trump. The only difference now is that kids are not being abused by border security and authorities are scrutinised to ensure minimal harm is done, the sick are cared for and some care and respect as per the US constitution for each living person is shown.

Quote he didn't do it for the country or the people flooding in"
Open bias on show there ..Biden has called for action from VP Harris to try to solve what is a huge ongoing and costly economic and human problem going on for decades if not the past century or so. Biden is demanding action and solutions to halt the influx, prevent systemic child abuse, separation of families, homelessness and the massive drain on government security, relief, health and other agencies. Putting up a wall doesn't address the causes of the influx nor stop it. it is a massive problem with no end in sight but involves years of diplomacy, aid, assistance, influence, pressure and

"They want voters to to keep people on the dole as insurance"
Again open bias.
Many of the illegal immigrants don't apply for citizenship, therefore cannot vote nor qualify for the dole, so your claim all are willing political pawns or dole bludgers is false. If that was the truth Texas would be a blue state as they have had the biggest growth in population especially from minorities than almost anywhere else. Fact check Immigrants want to work. They overwhelmingly look down on the dole. Study after study shows the tax and job benefits they and their kids generate are huge and also that the jobs they often are prepared to do the average American doesn't so they actually complement and fill out the jobs sector. Over $11 billion in taxes according to the PBS story. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy

Quote They want power, just like the Republicans do. its a matter of which of both bad systems do you want?"
You might want to actually look at what the Dems policies are, what they are attempting to do in the stimulus package in the face of incredible opposition from billionaires, corporations, lobbyists, bought off GOP and Murdoch to stop any changes to a current economic model which as we saw last year massively enriched the 1% but has hollowed out the middle class, encouraged division, racism, suppression of wages & minorities, lowered education for all but the rich, and continued extortionate healthcare.
The newest Dem congressmen and women elected in 2018 were told by trump spopkesman and ex goldman sachs how government is run.
“Gary Cohn, former CEO Goldman Sachs addressing new members of Congress today: ‘You guys are way over your head, you don’t know how the game is played,'” Tlaib tweeted. “No Gary, YOU don’t know what’s coming – a revolutionary Congress that puts people over profits.”
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-and-house-freshmen-are-protesting-orientation-harvard-2018-12?r=US&IR=T

So both parties are not the same and to lump them together is disingenuous. As I said from the outset America is at the make or break stage, the Dems through Biden are enacting policies to break the stranglehold of corporations and corrupt vestede interests.

Pulitzer prize winning journalist Chris hedges says America has a decade to fix its systemic inequities and rigged economy or else there will be civil war and total collapse.
He witnessed that in Europe. I take his views seriously..

Disillusioned voters opted for Biden because Trump was a tool of the billionaires. Now Biden is attempting to make a raft of radical changes including what are commonsense easily implemented programs to bring real benefits to the public and which have been iin place in other western countries since the 50's. Things like free healthcare & education, public housing, a months leave or more each yer, substantial sick leave, maternity leave for both parents, a shorter working week, unions, a living wage and real wage growth and others.

If you didn't vote you are to blame for not changing the system. You abrogated your responsibility to keep your politicians and businesses accountable and honest. If you voted for trump you wanted more of the same so don't bitch if the injustice, violence and protest which he fomented continues especially involving and against a racist embedded militarised police force.

Lastly if you can afford to stand in line to apply for citizenship, you are obviously rich enough and have the resources to not to be forced to walk/ smuggled under threat to life and limb across multiple countries to be dumped at the border. They would welcome a chance to apply legally. Many thousands don't have any choice left and see America as their only hope.. so the inrush continues.

[greybeard]

I come back to this is war -- world wide.
It is always possible to find the good or the bad that people have done.
Hitler built a magnificent road system which is still of benefit to Germany, that does not mitigate the evil of Satanism, the millions killed on both sides.
Look at what is behind the current situation -- forget Biden forget Trump.
Do you support what the founding Fathers set out in the constitution?
Its that simple.

Many are dying many have their lives ruined, many suicidal.
Look very deeply at the root cause of this.
If you are not 100% for the constitution then you are supporting all manner of things.
Unwittingly perhaps.
Chris

[thepainterdoug]

Spin D/ once again , how different people can see things. thanks for your thoughts

Chris, yes I believe in what the founding fathers set out in the constitution. its that simple

[Billy Vasiliadis]

Spindoctor, I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it isn't the case that poster's on this thread don't like what you are saying or advocating, but rather that they just don't believe that Biden, and the Democratic party through him, are actually going to do the things they say they are going to do. And not because of interference from the GOP, but because things may not be as they appear, or as we are told. Are there hidden agendas? Hidden players and forces working through government and politicians, regardless of party? Many seem to think so and that these forces aren't what most would call benevolent.

If Biden turns the US into a better, kinder and fairer place to live, I can't imagine that very many would be against that. I wish Biden and the Democratic are as you say they are, and that they just want to improve the US and life for her citizens. I just can't shake the feeling that isn't exactly true unfortunately. There are members here who are far more informed then I am and can point to evidence of this if you are interested. The way Bernie was treated comes to mind for me.

None the less, maybe it can lessen the enmity here knowing that many want similar things. Maybe not exactly the same things, but much is shared.

[thepainterdoug]

Billy, I agree. I have voted liberal democrat my entire life. I only voted once for someone not a democrat and that was D Trump in this last election. I didnt vote at all in the previous Clinton/Trump election for the first time in my life.

I would have voted for Tulsi Gabbard had she won the nomination. I am an anti war person . I will lean to a candidate that will avoid war. And Trump is and followed thru on his promise. And he was removed because he was not a MIComplex war supporter.

So understand, I know this Dem party today is nothing like it once was. Nothing at all and I am well aware of this. i believe the nomination was stolen from Bernie and others. I believe Seth Rich was "marginalized "cause he had evidence to this theft and gave it to Assange. There is so much more than meets the eye in all this its staggering.

is censorship the answer? is hunting down trump voters and supporters the answer? is changing election laws the answer? well I could go on but its pointless

its a modern day Tower of Babel, and we are all speaking different languages. its beginning to look like, stick to your own kind, because the debate is illogical and only stress producing

[AuCo]

I feel that the Biden crowd has been less energetic/enthusiastic after the election. My wife has lots of friends on Fakebook, quite a few got doctorate degrees and are blue blood Democrats themselves. She used to tell me how they felt very vocally and enraged at Trump. That was before the election. Not any more. I asked if they still praise Biden and she did say yes, of course because they just do, kind of a broad brush observation. But I doubt that when I am talking with them face to face.

I have a Latino renter, an illegal immigrant. He did not vote but said that Biden would win, by what he saw on TV and the poll numbers. He was laughing at me because I did not believe in the polls. We had a bet - a case of Bud Light :). When he moved out, saying it was getting too dangerous to live in North Minneapolis lately and you know why, right?, he wanted to collect his bet. I said sure but Biden did not win. To my surprise, he reluctantly admittedly said "well! Biden stole the election but you know he is president now." So there, in his hive-mind circle, they know.

[Sue (Ayt)]

None the less, maybe it can lessen the enmity here knowing that many want similar things. Maybe not exactly the same things, but much is shared.

Perhaps much of the divide appears to be one of idealism vs. realism?

[Gracy]

I would have voted for Tulsi Gabbard had she won the nomination.

Me too.


I am an anti war person .

Me too.



I will lean to a candidate that will avoid war.

Me too, even though I don't vote any more.



And Trump is and followed thru on his promise. And he was removed because he was not a MIComplex war supporter.

And that's where you start to lose me there Doug. True he didn't start any new wars, so credit given there, but he sure as hell got us within a whisper of all out war with Iran after executing their top field commander. Who was not a terrorist, and was actually an enemy of ISIS. Go figure...

He gave the Saudis, who actually are a world leader in terrorism (as opposed to Iran) with their extreme Wahhabism, a dream of a lifetime weapons deal. He also vetoed a bill demanding the US stop assisting the Saudis in their genocide in Yemen.

In Syria. True he didn't get us in there, but he sure seemed to relish the idea of continuing things there, especially in jacking their oil, and making sure ISIS remnants were safe in Idlib. He also was fine with the crippling sanctions on the Syrian people, so that it even makes it very difficult for them to rebuild.

Speaking of sanctions. What did the people of Iran or Venezuela ever do to us, to deserve their own crippling sanctions? It's well known now that sanctions affect everyday people, not leadership.

Siege warfare, is warfare.


i believe the nomination was stolen from Bernie and others.

Agreed. The democratic establishment is as scummy as it gets.


I believe Seth Rich was "marginalized "cause he had evidence to this theft and gave it to Assange.

Very likely. However, I always cringe when seeing Trump fans talking about Assange, when it was Trump himself who released the hounds who got him thrown into the hole. Talk about cancelling someone, I wouldn't even bring that up when talking about great things that administration did.

Of course I'm (unsurprisingly) not seeing Biden doing anything different there either, although if he really does get us out of Afghanistan (I'll believe it when I see it!) I will give him a standing o for that one.

[thepainterdoug]

Gracie/ thanks and thanks for acknowledging Trump did not start any new wars. Thats all I said. As for the killing of one man , perhaps it was necessary? I dont really know. And almost starting a war is not doing so. there are so many power games these people need play and its multi leveled. perhaps if we were read into what the stakes are, we would understand better? again , I dont know
Imagine an E T factor was at the helm of all this? then this entire post of mine is moot because we lil lemmings have no clue what were all talking about.

[samildamach]

THANK YOU GRACIE MAY! Agreed!
Let me add to my reply above. Gracie said something I agree with ,but this will tail off into an off topic discussion.
We do have borders. We do have a crisis. We do have a 2nd amendment. We do have guns. We do have drug cartels. We do have a population hungry for drugs who will buy them and keep the cartels in business .We are in debate over our environment and so on. These are realities not going away with any president.
You acknowledge the above grim realities but project bias when it comes to Biden

Trump built a wall and had a position on protecting our sovereignty.
Trump openly went after brown people and other foreigners calling them rapists, murderers, gang members, terrorists in a blatant and divisive racist appeal to white voters, to gather in the proud boys, militias and GOP diehards. He lashed blacks, muslims, before he tried to get elected. His view of US soveriegnty was purely for self empowerment..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/trumps-undemocratic-obsession-with-sovereignty/598822/ .. "In his deeds, rather than in his words, Trump is concerned only with internal sovereignty, which has to do with the question of who has the final legitimate authority within a state. And he is advancing a particularly self-serving version of that idea—one in which he is the sovereign, free not so much from foreign interference, but from the internal institutions that exist to scrutinize and curb his executive power. This kind of sovereignty is an enemy of democracy, not its ally."

"Biden undid all Trump did and we have a crisis. He didnt do it for the benifit of this country or for the benifit of the people flooding in.
He did it because thats what the dems want. They want voters and to keep people on the government dole as insurance.
They want power, just like the Republicans do. its a matter of which of both bad systems do you want?
My feeling on our borders has nothing to do with race. 100% nothing.We either have a border, a policy, and a route to becoming a legal citizen or we don't.
And letting these people flood in against the law is an injustice to anyone who has waited on line to do so the legal way.

Fact Biden is trying to undo the worst excesses of trumps storm troopers victimising people held in concentration camps where you have kids sleeping on concrete , He can't undo all that trump harmed nor is the immigration influx the result of bidens election.
Trump spent billions on a wall that migrants jump daily using $5 ladders. The wall is still there, the people flood has continued before, during and after Trump. The only difference now is that kids are not being abused by border security and authorities are scrutinised to ensure minimal harm is done, the sick are cared for and some care and respect as per the US constitution for each living person is shown.

Quote he didn't do it for the country or the people flooding in"
Open bias on show there ..Biden has called for action from VP Harris to try to solve what is a huge ongoing and costly economic and human problem going on for decades if not the past century or so. Biden is demanding action and solutions to halt the influx, prevent systemic child abuse, separation of families, homelessness and the massive drain on government security, relief, health and other agencies. Putting up a wall doesn't address the causes of the influx nor stop it. it is a massive problem with no end in sight but involves years of diplomacy, aid, assistance, influence, pressure and

"They want voters to to keep people on the dole as insurance"
Again open bias.
Many of the illegal immigrants don't apply for citizenship, therefore cannot vote nor qualify for the dole, so your claim all are willing political pawns or dole bludgers is false. If that was the truth Texas would be a blue state as they have had the biggest growth in population especially from minorities than almost anywhere else. Fact check Immigrants want to work. They overwhelmingly look down on the dole. Study after study shows the tax and job benefits they and their kids generate are huge and also that the jobs they often are prepared to do the average American doesn't so they actually complement and fill out the jobs sector. Over $11 billion in taxes according to the PBS story. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy

Quote They want power, just like the Republicans do. its a matter of which of both bad systems do you want?"
You might want to actually look at what the Dems policies are, what they are attempting to do in the stimulus package in the face of incredible opposition from billionaires, corporations, lobbyists, bought off GOP and Murdoch to stop any changes to a current economic model which as we saw last year massively enriched the 1% but has hollowed out the middle class, encouraged division, racism, suppression of wages & minorities, lowered education for all but the rich, and continued extortionate healthcare.
The newest Dem congressmen and women elected in 2018 were told by trump spopkesman and ex goldman sachs how government is run.
“Gary Cohn, former CEO Goldman Sachs addressing new members of Congress today: ‘You guys are way over your head, you don’t know how the game is played,'” Tlaib tweeted. “No Gary, YOU don’t know what’s coming – a revolutionary Congress that puts people over profits.”
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-and-house-freshmen-are-protesting-orientation-harvard-2018-12?r=US&IR=T

So both parties are not the same and to lump them together is disingenuous. As I said from the outset America is at the make or break stage, the Dems through Biden are enacting policies to break the stranglehold of corporations and corrupt vestede interests.

Pulitzer prize winning journalist Chris hedges says America has a decade to fix its systemic inequities and rigged economy or else there will be civil war and total collapse.
He witnessed that in Europe. I take his views seriously..

Disillusioned voters opted for Biden because Trump was a tool of the billionaires. Now Biden is attempting to make a raft of radical changes including what are commonsense easily implemented programs to bring real benefits to the public and which have been iin place in other western countries since the 50's. Things like free healthcare & education, public housing, a months leave or more each yer, substantial sick leave, maternity leave for both parents, a shorter working week, unions, a living wage and real wage growth and others.

If you didn't vote you are to blame for not changing the system. You abrogated your responsibility to keep your politicians and businesses accountable and honest. If you voted for trump you wanted more of the same so don't bitch if the injustice, violence and protest which he fomented continues especially involving and against a racist embedded militarised police force.

Lastly if you can afford to stand in line to apply for citizenship, you are obviously rich enough and have the resources to not to be forced to walk/ smuggled under threat to life and limb across multiple countries to be dumped at the border. They would welcome a chance to apply legally. Many thousands don't have any choice left and see America as their only hope.. so the inrush continues.

You do know that the concentration camp was an Obama policy.the kids on concrete floor was an Obama policy.the pictures you saw of children in cages locked in were proven to be false propaganda that's well documented on this sight.
This is all of topic all of it.only a few days ago MOD hats were out steering this thread to stay on target,which up set a few people.
now there taking it of topic ,I'll skip off this thread

[DeDukshyn]

I see some fallacy here in a lot of this reasoning - on both sides of this debate ...

How much power do we really believe the POTUS has? On one hand most of us here will say that it is the super elites, the super rich, the extremely powerful corporation who pull the strings, yet in a lot of the argument I am sensing it seems as though that idea is abandoned and the argument becomes reduced to "this POTUS did this and didn't do that, etc.

I'm not saying that the POTUS has no power, but I am saying it is somewhat limited.

Some silly arguments, like "Trump had nothing to do with War" and say "Biden rescues children from abuse and cages and concrete floors" are complete and utter nonsense.

Does one really believe that Trump himself went to the border and said "Remove the carpet! Make these kids sleep on concrete! And why aren't these kids in cages!" and then Biden comes along and personally installs carpet, removes kids from the cages himself to sniff a couple in a show of his endearment, etc. If you believe this crap, you have lost touch with reality. Neither Biden nor the person he assigned to manage the situation have ever been to the border.

It goes the other way though too "Trump didn't start any wars! and that means he's the a messenger of God!" -- er, Trump was just real about the wars that the US was actively engaged in during his tenure - and stated that the US was "in it for the oil" instead of making up some bull**** story about how we need to save third world countries from their evil governments or stop some terrorist organization and then market the hell out of that through propaganda like all other administrations do.

But let's even look at the assassination of the Iranian general ... I think that action was something planned long before Trump was even in office and it was just the timing that he happened to be in office when the "time was right" for the elite who plan these things to make it so. It unironically aligns perfectly with China "catching a cold" and "Iran will be goaded into starting WW3".

My point is the reasoning that many people are clinging to to defend their "favourite" is in many cases flawed as I see it, and ignores the fact that there is a an awful lot of influence on what happens outside of a POTUS' control.

Trump didn't save the world, at best he slowed down some of the plans - which, don't get me wrong, it may have extremely beneficial results long term (the way I see it), but much of what is glorified about Trump is nonsensical fantasy. The guy was a buffoon. A disruptive and beneficial one perhaps, but a buffoon nonetheless.


Biden is just continuing what every other president has been doing for the last 50 years ... the exact same type of **** that got us to exactly where we are today. I laugh when people get their favourite leader into office, and they feel like everything is going great. Nothing is getting better. 1970 was about the peak of how good things get for the middle class. The belief of voting the problems away, is the main reason why the world is so full of problems.

Voting for Biden (or whoever) and pretending that things will get better if "your man (or woman)" gets in, is an indication that you are blinded by this reality, and have already given up the fight for a better world, and it is exactly this that the elites are counting on to usher in their new world order.

[Mark]

Voting for Biden (or whoever) and pretending that things will get better if "your man (or woman)" gets it, is an indication that you are blinded by this reality, and have already given up the fight for a better world, and it is exactly this that the elites are counting on to usher in their new world order.

No, it is not an indication that anyone is blinded by this reality. It is being participatory with other citizens who engage a system that has many flaws but that has worked to the betterment of many people in this country and, when repeated in other nations and run successfully, helps folks in those nations change their stars as well.

Locally, the system works much better than nationally, although it remains easy for folks to manipulate the system. I believe that the local election I lost last November was manipulated.

It's got problems and it is probably too late to change it or even shift it for the better, considering where we are in the times. But we had to and have to try, if we still have enough time.

[DeDukshyn]

Voting for Biden (or whoever) and pretending that things will get better if "your man (or woman)" gets it, is an indication that you are blinded by this reality, and have already given up the fight for a better world, and it is exactly this that the elites are counting on to usher in their new world order.

No, it is not an indication that anyone is blinded by this reality. It is being participatory with other citizens who engage a system that has many flaws but that has worked to the betterment of many people in this country and, when repeated in other nations and run successfully, helps folks in those nations change their stars as well.

Locally, the system works much better than nationally, although it remains easy for folks to manipulate the system. I believe that the local election I lost last November was manipulated.

It's got problems and it is probably too late to change it or even shift it for the better, considering where we are in the times. But we had to and have to try, if we still have enough time.

Blind people can be and often are participatory to what they are blinded to. Being participatory is not relevant to that statement. We believe that we bring about change by voting but I'd argue the plans that got us where we are today were drawn up a very long time ago, and what administration is in office has little to do with it, except where when the elite need "right" policies, they use it and when they need "left" policies they use it - its their tool, not ours.

But who's to say under a system that wasn't designed to serve the controllers' rule, that our world wouldn't be a vastly better place?

[Mark]

Blind people can be and often are participatory to what they are blinded to. Being participatory is not relevant to that statement.

That sentence is hard for me to understand. LOL But, not all who participate are blind. That's just facts.

I'm not blind and I participate.

I know everything y'all know that call yourselves whatever, since "woke" is negative in this venue. I know many others who are not blind who participate as well.



We believe that we bring about change by voting but I'd argue the plans that got us where we are today were drawn up a very long time ago, and what administration is in office has little to do with it, except where when the elite need "right" policies, they use it and when they need "left" policies they use it - its their tool, not ours.

But who's to say under a system that wasn't designed to serve the controllers' rule, that our world wouldn't be a vastly better place?

Who is to say and that is a good question, one that we cannot know the answer to unless we somehow are able to peek in on alternate timelines to see how such potentialities have played out there.

Sure, voting serves elite interests. Society has always been stratified since the first villages built walls to protect their people and the fruit of their agricultural labor. There were leaders, followers and workers, and, eventually, every caste in the social order to carry out the necessary functions of urbanized society.

This is the best system we've come up with yet. It could be improved and it could be further strengthened against fraud.

[DeDukshyn]

Blind people can be and often are participatory to what they are blinded to. Being participatory is not relevant to that statement.

That sentence is hard for me to understand. LOL But, not all who participate are blind. That's just facts.

I'm not blind and I participate.

I know everything y'all know that call yourselves whatever, since "woke" is negative in this venue. I know many others who are not blind who participate as well.



We believe that we bring about change by voting but I'd argue the plans that got us where we are today were drawn up a very long time ago, and what administration is in office has little to do with it, except where when the elite need "right" policies, they use it and when they need "left" policies they use it - its their tool, not ours.

But who's to say under a system that wasn't designed to serve the controllers' rule, that our world wouldn't be a vastly better place?

Who is to say and that is a good question, one that we cannot know the answer to unless we somehow are able to peek in on alternate timelines to see how such potentialities have played out there.

Sure, voting serves elite interests. Society has always been stratified since the first villages built walls to protect their people and the fruit of their agricultural labor. There were leaders, followers and workers, and, eventually, every caste in the social order to carry out the necessary functions of urbanized society.

This is the best system we've come up with yet. It could be improved and it could be further strengthened against fraud.

I'd say there's a massive amount of distance between people coming up with a hierarchy to channel group decision making, and what we have today as far as national and international politics go. To compare the two and say "this is the best we have come up with" would be disingenuous. And I'd also say that to not recognize that massive amount of distance, would be due to blindness, however that blindness came about (I'm not necessarily putting fault on the individuals).

[Mark]

I'd say there's a massive amount of distance between people coming up with a hierarchy to channel group decision making, and what we have today as far as national and international politics go. To compare the two and say "this is the best we have come up with" would be disingenuous. And I'd also say that to not recognize that massive amount of distance, would be due to blindness, however that blindness came about (I'm not necessarily putting fault on the individuals).

You're the one comparing the two since you just came up with the first example - "coming up with a hierarchy to channel group decision making" - out of the whole cloth of your mind. So does that mean you're being disingenous? This feels like word games and put downs and I'm not down with that. I'll tap out now. :)

[DeDukshyn]

I'd say there's a massive amount of distance between people coming up with a hierarchy to channel group decision making, and what we have today as far as national and international politics go. To compare the two and say "this is the best we have come up with" would be disingenuous. And I'd also say that to not recognize that massive amount of distance, would be due to blindness, however that blindness came about (I'm not necessarily putting fault on the individuals).

You're the one comparing the two since you just came up with the first example - "coming up with a hierarchy to channel group decision making" - out of the whole cloth of your mind. So does that mean you're being disingenous? This feels like word games and put downs and I'm not down with that. I'll tap out now. :)

It was written with the intent to be synonymous to this: "...There were leaders, followers and workers, and, eventually, every caste in the social order to carry out the necessary functions of urbanized society. " - from your previous post.

You indicated that such a system is "the best we have come up with", I was saying that what we have vs an ideal of what we might think it is, or what we believe it was intended to be, are not the same.

[Delight]

If the plot is so much bigger than any one politician (of which I fully agree btw), and these guys are just placeholders (of which I also agree!), why spend so much time and effort plastering pro Trump and stop the steal stuff all over the forum?

Either it matters, or it doesn't. Which is it?

A lot of people say they are beyond politics, yet the posting history does not bear that out when so many posts highly favor one side of the political great divide, and those who support and spread those particular ideas.
"Stop the Steal" was the cry for fairness in elections. It is obvious to me that not only was the election stolen but the remedies were corrupted.
I think the US has now entered into the same Take Down of civilization that Venezuela and others have already enjoyed.
Maybe some of us are just weighing out as best we can who will "let us live to fight another day."
From my limited observation, the Republicans are less dangerous ATM.

The Republicans have been much less "boot jack" about the lockdowns. Republican governors showed that in practice, all the draconian measures were LESS than helpful.
IMO for example, Republicans seem to be less involved with the social up ending. There also seems to be less interest in applying cancel culture techniques.

There is some evidence that the present admin is the overseers of the end of life (not just as we know it) for most.

IMO the present admin is ushering us into a 100% totalitarian control state. It seems possible now we could even have a nuclear war. Food is being planned to be made unavailable. There is evidence in letting the borders flood, proclaiming dissent to be domestic terror, PUSHING dangerous untested gene therapy etc. AND THEN saying reactions are "next waves" that there is no benevolent agency to intervene.

It will make some people fight back and IMO that will be an excuse to "round up" the resistance.

Adding this here as the covid saga continues

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0Ztsm9WEAAtqw-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Spindoctor]

"Stop the Steal" was the cry for fairness in elections. It is obvious to me that not only was the election stolen but the remedies were corrupted.
I think the US has now entered into the same Take Down of civilization that Venezuela and others have already enjoyed.
Maybe some of us are just weighing out as best we can who will "let us live to fight another day."
From my limited observation, the Republicans are less dangerous ATM.

The Republicans have been much less "boot jack" about the lockdowns. Republican governors showed that in practice, all the draconian measures were LESS than helpful.
IMO for example, Republicans seem to be less involved with the social up ending. There also seems to be less interest in applying cancel culture techniques.

There is some evidence that the present admin is the overseers of the end of life (not just as we know it) for most.

IMO the present admin is ushering us into a 100% totalitarian control state. It seems possible now we could even have a nuclear war. Food is being planned to be made unavailable. There is evidence in letting the borders flood, proclaiming dissent to be domestic terror, PUSHING dangerous untested gene therapy etc. AND THEN saying reactions are "next waves" that there is no benevolent agency to intervene.

It will make some people fight back and IMO that will be an excuse to "round up" the resistance.[/QUOTE]


I am really interested in how you can maintain your view in the face of verifiable facts, official documents, multiple vote audits all leading to the same result, over 30 frivolous court actions all thrown out by GOP appointed judges who found on the overwhelming evidence..... Biden won the election.

Stop trying to argue that incontrovertible physical evidence was faked. Trump was spouting Stop the steal years before the election casting doubt on voter integrity reinforcing his self serving claim there would be foul play.. It played to his base and was a blatant attempt to destroy a democratic process and reinstall himself as Dear Leader.

The election was fairer than expected according to Repub governors and US and overseas independent agencies, as because of Covid, massive numbers of postal votes were issued, signed for, votes cast and then returned, all sealed and witnessed. The votes were tallied, counted and recounted numerous times and even Republican governors and officials constantly said the results stand, are true and correct. What minimal issues with questionable votes were sorted every time.. Numerous GOP nominated and endorsed Judges rejected the dozens of frivolous lawsuits mounted by the disgruntled die hards wanting to subvert democracy to retain power at any cost. Even the massive ongoing gerrymander could not keep the GOP in power because people stood in harsh weather all day to ensure their vote counted.

You can go back and hand count again the physical evidence of all the votes. There is your proof.

BUT not when the Biden win is inconvenient to GOPers desperate to keep power and the cash cow coming in from vested interests.. The GOP paid for Cyber Ninjas, who lets be honest are open backers of this conspiracy push, are conducting a vote audit in Georgia, using their own security, self appointed cops and scrutineers, at least one identified who took part in the capitol insurrectioin while most media are excluded as observers, but not far right OAN, so the entire operation is suspect and far from unbiased and open. Why aren't all media allowed to watch proceedings? This reeks of wilful fraud, fabrication and open contempt for democracy when even GOP Governors and other groups oppose this travesty and try to stop it.

Maricopa board of supervisors chair Jack Sellers went on CNN saying they ran the election vote for all people not vested interests and what Cyber Ninja are doing is unprofessional.
IMHO The fix is in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp6cCjHYz3k&t=382s


"The repubs have been much less boot jack about the lockdowns."
Yep it shows too. With the result more GOP supporters are dead.
A study of COVID-19 diagnoses and deaths from March to December 2020 finds that a greater number occurred in states led by Republican governors.
The study suggests that the less stringent remediation measures taken by Republican governors have likely led to the imbalance.
The study provides statistical evidence about the danger of political polarization.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-has-hit-people-in-republican-led-states-hardest-study

It must be very depressing and certainly unhealthy believing in nothing but certain doom and gloom from imaginary enemies and end of world scenarios. I'd like a shred of evidence to back up your claims. If nothing happens and in fact the US becomes a happier, healthier, more prosperous and caring society many will be shocked and angry they were lied to by propagandists who prosper from chaos.

[Matt P]

Hi Gracie. is that in jest or a real place? dont know.

Regardless, I didnt ask about truth, so I dont think it is relevant. I asked how the Biden supporters are feeling bout things so far.How he and Kamala are doing? There must be an opinion?

My bad Doug, kind of assumed most regulars around here knew of that break away forum split up from this one several years ago. I'm not advertising, just pointing out it's a real place with a real local history.
https://jandeane81.com/forum.php

I wasn't jesting, TOT is as blue as Avalon is red. I doubt very seriously you'll find any Biden supporters here.

Does that mean it’s safe to come back?? 😇

[thepainterdoug]

spin doctor i have no idea how to respond to your many claims and wont even try to. but one question,
could you provide me with the documented evidence that mexicans are getting over the wall with a cheap ladder ?

[Spindoctor]

How about numerous photos and eye witness statements? Short story in business insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/donald-trump-border-wall-people-climbing-with-5-dollar-ladders-2021-4?r=US&IR=T

longer more detailed story in texas monthly

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/trump-border-wall-ladders/

Also
https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2020/02/14/smugglers-in-mexico-use-camouflage-ladder-to-cross-border-wall/4760798002/

[thepainterdoug]

spindoctor/ im a supporter of the wall and our borders be it trumps, biden or someone elses. but that is quite comical.

t y

[Spindoctor]

Comical? How and why?

[thepainterdoug]

comical that the designers of the wall didnt account for that.

[mountain_jim]

I knew when this thread was started it was best for me to stay well clear. After a few days on vacation, I checked back in to see that yes, things had gone kablooey in here as I had suspected they might.

A lot I could be tempted to say, but folks' reality tunnels / belief systems are now so opposed and ingrained that it appears pointless to add anything else here.

[thepainterdoug]

MOUNTAIN JIM No reason you cant add your thoughts as well. we are iiving in kablooey times

[ExomatrixTV]

Ben Shapiro Reviews Biden’s First 100 Days As President:

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[Gracy]

Ben Shapiro Reviews Biden’s First 100 Days As President:

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Hardly shocking that hard right wing host Ben Shapiro, doesn't approve of a democrat president.

I'm just sayin... :nod: Unbiased sources should be the go to sources. Otherwise it's kind of like stacking a jury with members of "MADD" (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) in a DUI case, what do we think the verdict is going to be?

Now if we're just on the hunt for a particular predetermined verdict, rather than seeking blind justice, of course we'll only go to sources (or jurors) that will give the desired verdict.

That's how that works.

[thepainterdoug]

YES THIS IS HOW IT WORKS AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM,

yet there is a truth to be found somewhere.

[ExomatrixTV]

Ben Shapiro Reviews Biden’s First 100 Days As President:


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Hardly shocking that hard right wing host Ben Shapiro, doesn't approve of a democrat president.

I'm just sayin... :nod: Unbiased sources should be the go to sources. Otherwise it's kind of like stacking a jury with members of "MADD" (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) in a DUI case, what do we think the verdict is going to be?

Now if we're just on the hunt for a particular predetermined verdict, rather than seeking blind justice, of course we'll only go to sources (or jurors) that will give the desired verdict.

That's how that works.

As if I did/do not know that ...lol ... I listen to all sides on their content/merit (if any) and do not have a bias about bias ... it is just a given ... the thing is: REAL DEBATE scares the left more than the right ... that is why they want push more censorship and use all kinds of labels to frame any real critical thinking as "extreme".

Even if some things are "predictable" coming from Ben Shapiro does NOT mean you know all the details why Biden lost even more credibility which Ben explains nicely ... and he does a much better job than the left attacking first 100 days of Trump "review" using countless lies spewed by MSM like CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, Politico etc. as "trusted" sources, which is even more hilarious.


p.s: Ben Shapiro was a long time Trump critic.


cheers,
John

[DbDraad]

What makes Ben Shapiro hard right? I thought he was merely conservative...does that make me hard right too?

PS, I didn't watch this vid, but I've seen many of Ben's stuf. Don't agree with everything, but he always came across as reasonable and logical...a bit more conservative than me, but hard right?

[DbDraad]

Cant help but think that many who are not on this forum and some who are, miss the point.

Its not about Trump or Biden this is a war against evil.
In a normal war the enemy is clearly defined --we can bomb their country, they bomb ours.

Here you can be a collaborator -- virtually supporting some of what they do without realizing what is the base of all this --it is evil beyond comprehension.
One is completely for the side of freedom of speech-- freedom of the individual --or you support draconian rules that are not designed for the good of man kind.

It's the same thing Chris, just packaged differently.

Trump represents the side of good, Biden represents the side of evil. If I've somehow got that wrong someone point the way.

Extrapolating out from there: news sources Trump supportive can be trusted, news sources non Trump supportive cannot.


The Dems never reformed after the 2016 campaign where Sanders was disenfranchised. During the earlier days in the 2019 campaign I really liked Tulsi Gabbard. She was systematically canceled by the Dems. I then could hardly believe it that Biden was brought forward because lots of people AGAIN wanted Sanders

I really liked Tulsi as well, very rare for me to feel that way about any major politician. It was really something watching the dems pulling a fast one in hustling the nomination from Bernie, yet again.

A repulsive bunch they are...


Sanders apparently was bought off some how.

I don't think he was bought off, I think he just showed what a cuck he can be when faced with the raw psychopathic power and influence of the overall democratic establishment. He wanted a revolution, but not if it meant having to settle matters in a cage match so to speak. And that's exactly what it would have taken.

Trump was willing and even excited to do just that in '16, and look at what it got him. Now he all but owns the republican party.

Nope, Bernie had 2 chances to duke it out center ring no holds barred, and he just wasn't up to it. When push comes to shove he goes along to get along.


There are silos being created, which in turn allow for distinct models of reality to be constructed. It's a very dangerous world when people have a completely different view of reality, of what the issues are, of what people or institutions believe or represent. This is fertile ground in which to demonise the other and create scapegoats and strawmen to divert and divide people amongst themselves.

That's exactly right, and that is exactly what is happening. Good analogy! :highfive:

Its not the same thing Gracy

I look at end results -- cause and effect.
What is going on is horrific --many avoidable deaths --people --children scarred mentally and physically.

Its gone far beyond who is the best President for America -- who won --who lost.
As long as we debate who truly won the election we are missing what is happening all over the world at the moment.

This has been planned for many years -- Trump and Biden are just in place for the moment. It could have been anyone -- any time.
At least Trump has stated that there are those in the Republican Party who shall be prosecuted.

Its the energy behind the greed, corruption and all else that is the culprit -- call it evil -- call it the Devil

It will never be New Boss, Same Regime.
We have a chance to move beyond this circle.

To my mind it is--- A spiritual war.
Its world wide.
We must win this and we will.

Chris
I've picked up on the good vs evil thing myself, but that only works if you actually believe in some sort of cosmic karma...or God, like myself...it can't feature in a hard secular outlook.

[gord]

N.B. Not a fan of anyone at Biden's level.

Biden : COVID-19 Has Killed One Third Of The US Population

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iAe6GmIK8k

[AutumnW]

Well...he's old. He mumbles a good deal, falls down stairs a bit, but is basically following Trump's major achievement of standing up to China, economically. And I do believe he is bringing troops back from Afghanistan, so that's good. He may even take the flyswatter to Netanyahu, which, as you recall, is something the former dude didn't do. I am hopeful.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Well...he's old. He mumbles a good deal, falls down stairs a bit, but is basically following Trump's major achievement of standing up to China, economically. And I do believe he is bringing troops back from Afghanistan, so that's good. He may even take the flyswatter to Netanyahu, which, as you recall, is something the former dude didn't do. I am hopeful.

Those troops are not back yet. They were told next month, now it is indefinite. Prices are skyrocketing. People are being paid to stay home. This country that I love (and actually live in) is going to heck rapidly. I feel so sad for the old and anyone on a fixed income, they will suffer the most. I heard from an older lady that her prescriptions which did cost ~100 a month are now up to $1500 a month so she is doing without. Her doctor said it was due to the changes in SS that Biden mandated. Half the country has no gasoline, thank for canceling that pipeline Mr. Biden. This will get far worse by the time Biden is out of office.

[pyrangello]

The troops that were leaving Afghanistan are being sent to the syria to help in another conflict, I have to agree, in 6 months time we went from 4 years of quiet in the middle east, a much quieter border in the south , $2.00 a gallon gas for 4 years, lowest interest rates I've ever seen for mortgages, cheapest prescription drugs ever, 50 year low for unemployment in the black and hispanic american population and gang members being thrown out of the country to totally the frickin upside down and throwing up at the same time, were on a runaway train with a train conductor that has a hard time saying chew chew.

[AutumnW]

You know, seriously guys. I believe you. I have only looked at the surface Biden. Have been much more focused on Disclosure issue. Nevertheless, I wouldn't lay all our current problems at the new guy's feet. Supply chain disruption is causing inflation. It should be temporary.

The question for me is, how much of the supply chain disruption is due to lay offs because of covid? Or does it have just as much to do with disruption in trading activity with China. You tell me, because I don't know.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

These supply chain disruptions will not be temporary. Biden cancelled the pipeline. Once the prices go up they will never come down. That is all part of the plan to turn us into a communist country. Make the people dependent on government. In my job, a piece of plywood that was ~$30 is now $130, that happened in April. Then we have the completely open border policy. Flooding the country with people that the middle class will have to pay for. So soon there will be poor people and rich people and nothing in between. All part of the Biden/Harris plan.

Gas stations from DC to Florida have put signs out front saying they have run out of fuel, while some businesses that still have supplies are increasing their prices to a whopping $9.99 a gallon.

[AutumnW]

Oh Karen, I get your point of view, but the U.S. is much closer to being overtly fascist than communist. And there is a difference. But they are both authoritarian. The current spike in oil prices has to do with cyber hacking. Oil prices will go back down. Other prices should unless the federal reserve continues to talk down inflation and keep interest rates in real negative territory--and signals it is going to do this for years. They are trying to bootstrap the economy back into shape and that is extraordinarily hard. But it looks like the US is basically reopening, so its a start.

I am very sorry that prices are sky rocketing in essentials, like food. That's terrible.

[pyrangello]

So I was speaking with my sales lady who I buy my steel from for my business, she was telling me trucking is so far behind and there is such a shortage of drivers and trucks that for every semi tractor currently on the road, there are ( 96 ) available loads for that one truck. This means we will not be caught up this year at all and prices won't be coming down anytime soon.

[thepainterdoug]

writer E P UNUM /


President Biden’s First 100 Days-Warts and All

1. Repealing the Mexico City Policy, forcing taxpayers to subsidize abortions overseas. How does a self-proclaimed practicing Roman Catholic take such unilateral unforced action?

2. Reversing Trump Administration pro-life rules that prevented tax dollars from going to pro-abortion entities like Planned Parenthood.

3. Canceling the Keystone XL pipeline, costing thousands of jobs and immediately increasing the cost of oil from Alberta, CA from $10 a barrel to $36 per barrel as it must be delivered by truck or rail…in a pandemic when there is a shortage of truckers. Wonder who benefitted from this unilateral action? Certainly not America. With the stroke of his pen, this action and others wiped away decades of striving for energy independence achieved under Trump.

4. Canceling new oil and gas leases, limiting future energy supplies. See # 3 above. Killing Trump’s Energy Independence which we achieved for the first time in our nation’s history.

5. Shutting down the 1776 Commission on patriotic education in our public schools. At the same time, extolling Critical Race Theory as a curriculum for elementary and high schools. CRT is a Marxist Communist philosophy and essentially is a cancer on American democracy, meritocracy, due process, and freedom of speech. It erases history, mis-educates youth, empowers extremism, and creates a cancel culture mentality. It destroys nations. For examples of this look at Cuba, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Venezuela, Argentina,…the list is long and undistinguished. For an American President to get behind such garbage suggests to me that he is ill-suited to lead our great people.

6. Rejoining the Paris Climate Accord when there is no consensus that climate change poses an immediate “existential” threat. The science is very much unsettled on this issue, although the radical left will never admit to it.

7. Rejoining the World Health Organization who is controlled by China.

8. Kowtowing to communist China by banning the phrase "China virus."

9. Creating a crisis at the southern border leading to a record number of illegal aliens entering the country.(178,622 in April which includes 17,000 unaccompanied minors; this followed 173,000 in March with 12,000 unaccompanied minors) then echoing that “everything is under control; there is no crisis on the border”

10. Stopping construction of the border wall at a cost of $6 million a day, not to mention wasting the millions of dollars in materials laying on the ground collecting dust.

11. Preventing most arrests and deportations of criminal illegal aliens.

12. Ending Trump's "Remain in Mexico" order for migrants seeking asylum in the U.S.

13. Allowing border detention facilities to operate at 1,500% capacity during the pandemic.

14. Preventing the media from seeing the horrific conditions at migrant border facilities.

15. Ending Trump's travel ban on nations known to be hotbeds of terrorism.

16. Ordering the Census to include illegal aliens in congressional reapportionment.

17. Repealing Trump's public charge rule preventing immigrants from becoming a burden on public welfare services.

18. Reinstating Obama's catch and release program for illegal aliens crossing the border.

19. Releasing illegal aliens into the country without COVID tests. What could go wrong?

20. Releasing illegal aliens into the country without court dates. What could go wrong?

21. Flying illegal aliens to the Canadian border for faster processing at a cost to U.S. Taxpayers.

22. Paying nearly $90 million to house illegal migrants in hotels.

23. Proposing a massive amnesty bill that does not require the use of the E-Verify program.

24. Allowing 900,000 deported aliens to return to America.

25. Repealing Trump's executive order limiting legal immigration during the pandemic.

26. Proposing a COVID vaccination plan that prioritized illegal aliens.

27. Reopening child detention facilities that Kamala Harris vowed to close.

28. Allowing transgender individuals to serve in the military, including paying for sex-change surgeries. Let that one sink in.

29. Signing an executive order including "gender identity" in the enforcement of civil rights laws. What the hell does that mean?

30. Ordering the State Department to make LGBTQI issues a foreign policy priority and giving priority to LGBTQI refugees. What could possibly go wrong?

31. Supporting the Equality Act, which would severely limit religious liberty.

32. Creating a White House Office on Gender Policy. Is this needed?

33. Redefining Title IX and

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Oh Karen, I get your point of view, but the U.S. is much closer to being overtly fascist than communist. And there is a difference. But they are both authoritarian. The current spike in oil prices has to do with cyber hacking. Oil prices will go back down. Other prices should unless the federal reserve continues to talk down inflation and keep interest rates in real negative territory--and signals it is going to do this for years. They are trying to bootstrap the economy back into shape and that is extraordinarily hard. But it looks like the US is basically reopening, so its a start.

I am very sorry that prices are sky rocketing in essentials, like food. That's terrible.

I will pray for you. By the time you realize what is actually happening it will be in your country.

[Eva2]

'President Biden's Famous Mental Lapses During First 4 Months'
With what looks like his dementia becoming increasingly obvious, I wonder how long it will be until he walks off and Harris steps up:

https://tv.gab.com/media/609d8ebe32b1cb9cde0074eb?viewKey=25874825-b1b2-4553-8cff-ae8ddc50a4df&r=1080p

Not sure if that link works - seems to come up mismatched key again? This is another link:
https://tv.gab.com/channel/trunews/view/president-bidens-famous-mental-lapses-during-609d8ebe32b1cb9cde0074eb

[Merkaba360]

I have no political affiliation and hated politics my whole life. this is how I lean by just analyzing the data. Sorry to bring up Trump so much but im trying to contrast with Biden to make some points to show why Biden is NOT a good person as he is not doing anything to expose the lies/scam/corruption.

Its very simple, the president has tremendous POTENTIAL power, if he has balls and willing to die. Ex: If he takes out the media, the whole game is exposed and house of cards falls. Thats why Trump was attacked by both sides, cuz they were terrified Trump could end both sides, stop the duality game and create something new.

I mean, compared to every president in history (who never said boo against the media or circumvented it), absolutely trashing the CRIMINAL media is pretty much heroic (it doesnt matter if its ego, the result would be earth shatteringly positive). Who has ever done that? He said it was the biggest problem. He knows taking them out revolutionizes everything. I can't stress how huge this is. The attempt to constantly call out and cripple the media , that alone blows away 47 years of Bidens career. lol Debating over this policy or that policy for making a good president is utterly petty. Its all so minor. Take out the media and you accomplish infinitely more.

Everything Biden says sounds like the same script the establishment from both sides has been saying forever. The establishment has been LYING infinitely forever. How can any sane person praise a compulsive liar. I understand politicians need to lie sometimes, but their lying is over the top. And im sure trump lied plenty, but Trump was the first president to be voicing a lot of things that we all know on this forum (Those of us who see that its a big club and we aren't in it). For the first time in my life to see a president speaking some really important and powerful truths amongst the typical lies of ALL politicians, forces me to say, gee...this guy is trying to do something different. Why have none of the other presidents (kennedy said some stuff, but not as much as Trump), voiced anything us truth seekers are thinking/speaking. Thats the difference. Exposing the corruption of the judicial/legal and voting system was also absolutely huge and unprecedented.

Has Biden said that he will not allow the "perennial prophets of doom to control every aspect of our lives" ???? Yea Trump said that and many other powerful statements. Even if its just empty words to get us on board, how can i support any of the puppets who arent saying anything like these statements that are against the authoritarians. Sorry, but i gotta go with the 1 president in my whole life span who is actually saying these things, and might actually mean it....cuz i know a >0% chance is better than the 0% chance puppets.

[onawah]

New York Times gives 'unflattering' behind the scenes of Biden White House
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"Fox News contributor Karl Rove says the White House agreeing to the story is 'odd' and he wouldn't have encouraged it on 'Fox News Primetime.' "

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[East Sun]

I really feel that he is being told what to do and what to say and can't even do that.

I think that when Biden goes Harris will go too and with results of of election fraud
we may see Trump being triumphant.

[thepainterdoug]

East Sun, we can dream cant we? I think there is alot of odd stuff in the wind. why are Dems sending 100 attorneys to Arizona to stop the election audit? if nothing to hide?? right?

gonna have to wait and see.

[Lucretius]

This is how people voting for Biden feel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL1fkgPauFk

[ExomatrixTV]

Biden Struggles To Read The Teleprompter As Inflation SKYROCKETS:

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[Mercedes]

Ha, ha, ha, ha!! That was so funny!! Thank you Exomatrix, it would even be more funny if it wasn't so tragic. :ROFL:

[ExomatrixTV]

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source (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1394691764741627907)


Who is Chen-Ping (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ping-Chen) ?

A professor with close ties to the Communist Chinese Government has declared that his country ‘defeated’ the U.S. in 2020, winning a biological war, and putting America ‘back in it’s place’.

The comments were made by Chen Ping (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ping-Chen), a Senior Researcher at The China Institute of Fudan University, a CCP affiliated think tank, and a professor at Peking University.

The video, which appeared online recently, was translated by New York-based Chinese blogger Jennifer Zeng:

Zeng writes (https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/ccp-researcher-china-won-unprecedented-biological-warfare-in-2020) that the researcher claims “the Western model has failed, the 500-year maritime civilization is doomed, the CCP has won and ‘will lead the way of the modernization in the new era after the biology revolution’ after the 2020 CCPVirus (COVID19) pandemic.”

Ping states in the video that “In 2020, China won the trade war, science and technology war, and especially the biological war.”

“The achievement is unprecedented. This is an epoch-making historical record,” he continues, adding “So for the liberal, America-worshiping cult within China, their worship of the U.S. is actually unfounded.”


“After this trade war and biological warfare, the U.S. was beaten back to its original shape,” Ping emphasised.

Ping also commented on the 2020 U.S. election, noting “I think Trump’s attempt to restore the declining international status of the U.S. during his 4 years has failed. This failure is not only the failure of Trump’s personal campaign for re-election as president, but also the failure of the neo-liberalism-led globalization of the past four decades led by the U.S. and the UK.”

“Therefore, the development and modernization model of the U.S. and Europe is not worthy of China’s imitation and repetition,” Ping added.

China’s economy has expanded by 18.3% (https://www.infowars.com/posts/chinas-economy-grows-at-record-pace-in-covid-rebound/) in the first quarter of 2021 compared to the same period last year, marking the biggest increase since China started keeping quarterly records in 1992.

The country has undoubtedly been able to rebound quickly by getting ahead of the pandemic in late 2019, stalling and obscuring the facts of what was unfolding while a criminally compliant World Health Organisation parroted CCP talking points (https://www.infowars.com/sources-tell-fox-news-who-was-complicit-in-helping-china-cover-up-coronavirus-leak-from-wuhan-lab/) to the rest of the world.

With Trump out of office, America is now at the mercy of the Communist state, with Joe Biden having a long track record (https://www.infowars.com/posts/biden-in-michigan-ignores-record-allowing-china-to-buy-up-american-electric-vehicle-industry/) of selling out American industry to Chinese investors.

As we recently reported, a group of the world’s leading scientists have urged (https://summit.news/2021/05/14/worlds-leading-scientists-who-has-failed-to-make-balanced-consideration-on-possibility-covid-leaked-from-chinese-lab/) more investigation into the possibility that the coronavirus pandemic was caused by a leak from Wuhan’s Institute of Virology, saying that the World Health Organisation has dismissed the notion without proper consideration.

Meanwhile, GOP representatives on the House Intelligence Committee have demanded an update (https://summit.news/2021/05/17/gop-reps-demand-intel-update-from-biden-on-wuhan-lab-leak-possibility/) from the White House and the Director of National Intelligence on the possibility that the coronavirus leaked from the lab.

The Republicans, led by Ranking Member Devin Nunes also want access to any intelligence on the “gain of function” research (https://archives.infowars.com/global-bombshell-china-admits-to-developing-testing-covid-19-in-wuhan-level-4-lab/) that was undertaken at the Wuhan lab in conjunction with US agencies.

As we reported earlier in the year (https://summit.news/2021/01/04/us-national-security-still-believes-coronavirus-leaked-from-chinese-lab/), top US National Security officials have indicated that they believe the most credible theory on the origin of COVID-19 is that it escaped from the Chinese laboratory.

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[ExomatrixTV]

Black People Fed Up w/ Biden's 1st 100 Days (...comedian K-von told you):

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The Country Is Being Destroyed and Mask Updates!:

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[pyrangello]

EXCLUSIVE: Former FBI director Louis Freeh gave $100,000 to a private trust for Joe Biden's grandchildren and spoke with the then vice president in 2016 'to explore lucrative future work options' with Hunter as the middle man ,,,

Anybody have any grandchildren that they need a former FBI director to donate money too? And the hits just keep on coming, America where you can break the law, get paid off, and demonstrate corruption just for entertainment and nobody goes to jail ! What a country ! And run for public office and nobody cares!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9571753/Former-FBI-director-Louis-Freeh-gave-100-000-private-trust-Joe-Bidens-grandchildren.html

[ExomatrixTV]

Joe Biden SNAPS💥

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[ExomatrixTV]

OMG! Biden Goes Totally UNHINGED & Authorizes DHS To Immediately Activate Nazi SS Task Force "CP3":

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[ExomatrixTV]

Biden plagiarizes Mao in 'bizarre' speech

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[ExomatrixTV]

Incredulous look on NBC’s anchor face when Biden blames his predecessor for the border crisis:

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[onawah]

Hannity reveals new 'shocking' details from Hunter Biden emails
89,040 views•May 27, 2021
8.7K
Fox News
7.34M subscribers

" 'Hannity' host Sean Hannity blasts the president's handling of relations with China and other foreign powers"
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[ExomatrixTV]

Trump on McConnell, Biden and Fauci, what he'd do in a possible 2nd term | Newsmax EXCLUSIVE:

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[iota]

Wow! Judge Joe Brown tells Kwame Brown he was there when


Joe Biden made his racist segregationist speech:


“Negro Children are like roaches
IF they are allowed to be integrated the schools
they will infest them and they will NEVER be gotten out"

when pressed, he said:

"i heard him" pointing at his ears

" i saw him" pointing at his eyes


he went on to elaborate:

he said Negroes were like animals that turned the streets into jungles!"

he speaks of a plan that Biden had with Senator Eastland where they could:


" put all of these Negro animals in zoos!"

the tweet is only a very small clip of an explosive, raw and unfiltered TRUTH

my kind of man!!

total respect for this judge!


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this is an excellent video for ALL proponents of Truth and Justice to spread

to EVERYONE everywhere

even in random article comments ~ EVERYWHERE ...

we can NOT allow pretense and lies to continue ...

as the lies are exposed Freedom and Justice will have an opportunity to be restored

:shielddeflect:

[ExomatrixTV]

Psychopathic HR Lady Kamala Harris Still Won't Visit the Border She's Tasked With Overseeing:

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Biden is Easily the Quickest Failure of Any Modern US President:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Asking Voters: Has Biden Accomplished ANYTHING?:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Biden blunders again, thinks he’s been president for ’15 months’:

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[ExomatrixTV]

WATCH: Kamala MELTS DOWN After Being Confronted Over Border Crisis:

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Typical narcissist response: laugh, divert and evade.

[thepainterdoug]

well, the whole thing is a joke. Im out of words

[onawah]

Tucker Carlson - All about Kamala :facepalm:
Tucker Carlson Tonight
June 08, 2021

(Tucker voices his disgust)


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[ExomatrixTV]

TRUMP IS AGAIN ELECTED AS A PRESIDENT? 6/9/21 BREAKING TRUMP NEWS JUNE 09, 2021

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[ExomatrixTV]

'Yet again Donald Trump was right':

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[ExomatrixTV]

GOP Senator Rips Biden And Harris For 2 Million Illegal Immigrants And Lack Of Trips To Border:

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[thepainterdoug]

Is this guy serious? does he not see and will he not admit the simple truth? They dont want the border closed.
This is for VOTES and Votes only !!

This is not for the good of people, our citizens, or for the care and concern of theirs. This is simply for votes and will accompany election reform to allow anyone without legal ID to vote. Their plan, to let so many illegals in, give them everything for free and votes, will return the favor . This is treason in my opinion.

And all Biden people in agreement with this ?? Please send in your address to the border people to direct the illegals to your home your property and your neighborhood and put them up. For if you are not willing to do so, you are no different then these political criminals who are allowing this.

[Delight]

Just a question... is K Harris going to G7? I read Biden is going. That should be interesting except we will never learn what happened.

[TomKat]

Snowflake rap song, good lyrics:

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[onawah]

What an embarrassment': Lara Trump blasts Kamala Harris' border comments
239,322 views•Jun 10, 2021
Fox News
7.41M subscribers

"Vice President Harris told NBC's Lester Holt 'we have been to the border,' but Fox News contributor Lara Trump points out that the VP has not made a trip since becoming border czar."

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Kamala storms out after being pressed on border crisis
184,769 views•Jun 9, 2021
20K
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1.9M subscribers

"Representative Byron Donalds comments on the Biden administration's lack of transparency, mixed messaging and softball media treatment when it comes to the border crisis, and reacts to the latest statements made by Vice President Kamala Harris when asked about the issue. - via STINCHFIELD, weekdays at 8PM ET on Newsmax."
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Tucker Carlson Tonight 6/8/21 | FOX BREAKING TRUMP NEWS June 8, 2021 [FULL]
302 views•Premiered Jun 8, 2021
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This last one is the one I had embedded in my post #1433186 above, ("Tucker Carlson voices his disgust!") but the first video was taken down. So I found the same show at the FOX news youtube page today, and embedded that there and here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114839-Biden-voters-and-supporters.-How-is-it-going&p=1433186&viewfull=1

I'm amazed that FOX news is allowing this kind of reporting when all the other major MSM outlets are staying so much in alignment with the controllers' wishes.

[ExomatrixTV]

It's a Miracle!

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[ExomatrixTV]

Ted Cruz Criticizes VP Kamala Harris For Not Visiting Southern Border:

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[ExomatrixTV]

"This Is Complete Madness": GOP Lawmaker Explodes On Democrats On House Floor:

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[thepainterdoug]

this has to run its course. im praying for arizona, durham and whats to follow. patience.

[ExomatrixTV]

‘This is a disgrace’: Jon Voight takes aim at left media for not covering Hunter Biden scandal:

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Joe Biden is 'clearly unstable and unwell':

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Joe Biden Embarrasses America In Front of the Entire World at G7 Summit:

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[mountain_jim]

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[ExomatrixTV]

This is America's Future? 🤡

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[ExomatrixTV]

CNN's ratings plummet as media avoids critical coverage of Biden:

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Sky News Australia PROVES Biden is the Laughingstock of the World:

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Hillary Returns With INSANE New Russia Conspiracy:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Ingraham: Joe Biden is his own worst enemy:

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White House Doctor Calls For Biden To Take Cognition Test (https://www.infowars.com/posts/sunday-live-deep-state-in-meltdown-as-capitol-false-flag-exposed/) After Sloppy G7 & Putin Summit

[ExomatrixTV]

'Leftist' media back down after new report finds park was not cleared for Trump photo-op:

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lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie about Trump is a never ending mass deception sold & repeated by liberal Mainstream Media


The list of vindications is only growing for Trump

[Gracy]

Hey John,

While I'm not a fan of corporate media (Left or Right), I didn't need either of them telling me what was going on that day because I watched it live. The riot police began violently dispersing the peaceful protesters 20 minutes before curfew.

Even if it was after curfew, there was no need what so ever to use that kind of brute force on a crowd that wasn't causing any problems save for inconvenience. They had a 1st Amendment right to do exactly what they were doing, whether one agreed with them or not.

Now so far as whether it was done just for the photo op at St. Johns Church or not? No, I don't believe that to be at all the case. However, Trump isn't exactly the kind of guy to walk around with a Bible in hand all ready for display, and there was a deliberate march to go right to the front of the church to hold it up for the cameras soon as the crowd was cleared.

It was a golden opportunity for him to give a nod and wink, while looking strong, to America's Christian Right which composes a very deep core of his base.

Of note: If it were Biden who did this, I would have the same reaction. It doesn't matter. :thumbsup:

[ExomatrixTV]

Hey John,

While I'm not a fan of corporate media (Left or Right), I didn't need either of them telling me what was going on that day because I watched it live. The riot police began violently dispersing the peaceful protesters 20 minutes before curfew.

Even if it was after curfew, there was no need what so ever to use that kind of brute force on a crowd that wasn't causing any problems save for inconvenience. They had a 1st Amendment right to do exactly what they were doing, whether one agreed with them or not.

Now so far as whether it was done just for the photo op at St. Johns Church or not? No, I don't believe that to be at all the case. However, Trump isn't exactly the kind of guy to walk around with a Bible in hand all ready for display, and there was a deliberate march to go right to the front of the church to hold it up for the cameras soon as the crowd was cleared.

It was a golden opportunity for him to give a nod and wink, while looking strong, to America's Christian Right which composes a very deep core of his base.

Of note: If it were Biden who did this, I would have the same reaction. It doesn't matter. :thumbsup:

Yes that would make your mind at ease ... assuming "Fox News doing the same as CNN" lol .... sure Fox News can be very biased and do make mistakes including censorship (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...&p=1435135&viewfull=1#post1435135) ... but the list of blatant lies spewed by CNN 24/7 is in my view so so much worse it is not the same level of daily extreme deceptions & deceit.

By the way to me: 01. NewsMax (https://www.newsmax.com/) 02. OANN (https://www.oann.com/) 03. CBN (https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews) 04. TruNews (https://www.trunews.com/) are all better than Fox News and are beyond the level of daily CNN lies in comparison.

Most likely you did not study 1, 2, 3 & 4 ... if you did, you have my respect :thumbsup:

To simplify "left and right" news is not my forté.

I also like NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/news/) & CSPAN (https://www.c-span.org/) and I studied this (https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news) ... :ranger:

cheers.
John

[Strat]

These supply chain disruptions will not be temporary. Biden cancelled the pipeline. Once the prices go up they will never come down. That is all part of the plan to turn us into a communist country. Make the people dependent on government. In my job, a piece of plywood that was ~$30 is now $130, that happened in April. Then we have the completely open border policy. Flooding the country with people that the middle class will have to pay for. So soon there will be poor people and rich people and nothing in between. All part of the Biden/Harris plan.

Gas stations from DC to Florida have put signs out front saying they have run out of fuel, while some businesses that still have supplies are increasing their prices to a whopping $9.99 a gallon.

I'm kinda late to replying to this....and I think this has been mentioned somewhere before so apologies if I'm beating a dead horse but the price of damn near everything is through the roof.

I will second that lumber is sky high. We need a new roof for our outdoor shed and our privacy fence replaced but now we're holding off because it's just so damn expensive. I am building shelves and I'm using salvaged pallets rather than buying lumber from the store or downright buying premade shelves.

Even the cost of sugar is up. I buy baked goods from an old gent and he jacked his prices up due to the cost of sugar.

Everything is up, and nobody wants to work. My family owns a shop and we often have to go to the labor pool and hire some extra guys for installs however due to all the checks being sent out the labor pools are empty. I've never seen anything like it.

[Sunny-side-up]

Why did anyone vote for him, I'm confused o.0 ?

and now they say 1 in six regret voting for him?

I turned off my respect for him way back when I watched him Letching over a family's little daughter, they where supporters I think?

He reminded me of the character out of "National Lampoon's European Vacation" film
where the contest host snogs the family's daughter, and they say nothing because he is the host.

Why did anyone vote for him, they should undergo psychological tests to see what was done to their brains.

[thepainterdoug]

Sunny Side


Its called Trump Derangement Syndrome. a concerted effort by MSM prior to Trump stepping in office to do everything in their power to turn the public against him.

The Steele dossier= 100% BULL S**T All the lies, all the censorship, it actually hard to fathom. Just look at Trumps accomplishments , not the noise around it all.

Biden said nothing, stood for nothing, had no ideas or vision in the months running up to the election. No one attended his rallies! He actually was the worst of all Dem hopefulls with Tulsi being the absoulte best. But they didnt want the best candidate. They wanted a fool and a puppet to march in step to their agenda. And now we got one.

way to go america

[Sunny-side-up]

thepainterdoug It couldn't be made up for a comic FARCE show on TV, it's all so sad.

[ExomatrixTV]

STUNNING: Biden Tells Biggest Lie Ever!:

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[Gracy]

STUNNING: Biden Tells Biggest Lie Ever!:

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Jimmy Dore is one of those despicable liberals/leftists that are ruining America. An open question here: Can a person on the left only be taken seriously when criticizing their own side, but not the other?

Would a video of him criticizing Trump as well be taken seriously?

This is important.

[ExomatrixTV]

When daily liberal mainstream media lies & framing are so obvious so blatant no matter who you are what background what party you belong to including all neutral people ... does not matter who it is ... some things are SO OBVIOUS to all ... except those who want to push their own controlled narrative being contradicted time after time after time ... again and again and again ... what does it take for people to see the content not the messenger (left, neutral or right).

And yes this applies to the right as well as they too can lie & deceive ... it takes investigative intelligence to practice real discernment skills (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114839-Biden-voters-and-supporters.-How-is-it-going&p=1435879&viewfull=1#post1435879) then evaluate who is doing what and why.

Some insights & knowledge is beyond party-lines and stand on their own feet (merit) to ignore these facts is really sad.


this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114839-Biden-voters-and-supporters.-How-is-it-going&p=1435879&viewfull=1#post1435879) (is also important).

When telling the truth is called "biased" ... at the same time lies & ignorance are called: "point of view" ... we truly live in an upside-down world.

Disclaimer: Am very aware that "interpretations" of real unedited raw truths mostly serve a specific agenda ... but not all agendas "must" be "evil" or "wrong" by default. Assuming it is, is one of many mind-games people project on others and themselves 24/7.

Keep in mind am not from USA, am Dutch raised in a classical Liberal family & friends network ... I literally know almost all Liberal talking points ad nauseam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam) for decades ... no joke! ... as I am 55 years old now.

Believe it or not ... I used to be a paper boy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTf4q-ihMak) (delivering newspapers) when I was 14 years old up to 18 years old delivering a "right wing leaning conservative news-papers" in my neighborhood ... at the same time my classic liberal Father was reading a left-wing leaning newspaper! ... And I red them both to form my own opinion in 1980 up to 1984 and never stopped to listen to all sides!

Even then I was well aware there are things that is beyond left-right-center paradigms it is called: common sense & "streetwise (https://thesaurus.plus/img/synonyms/747/streetwise.png)" perspectives.

When I started to research suppressed news & conspiracies topics after my 1st UFO experience in 1990 (31 years ago) ... I wanted to learn all I can about UFOs, Suppressed Inventions, Controversial Topics from all sides left, center & right (and beyond) ... most are happy with just 1 way of looking at things ... to me that is is way too limited to be what I am now.

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
June 23, 2021

[thepainterdoug]

Gracie/

As hard as it may be to believe, I will repeat myself again as I have often done. I was a Dem liberal most of my life. I hated republicans and hated GW BUSH, one of the biggest a holes ever, creating war , hatred and its repercussions for a century.

I just go by results. So google the accomplishments of D J Trump and go from there. I don't give a crap about his bedside manner.

Now Biden, cheat and criminal , not really in charge, his only puppet move was UNDUE EVERYTHING TRUMP! THATS IT! And this is why I despise this sham party.

[Gracy]

Okay, so we're all agreed that we haven't much use for Biden, his vice president, or the sham democratic party for that matter (including me!). To say the least! But the question is can a lefty like Jimmy Dore (and others) be trusted not only when criticizing their own, but when criticizing the other for their sins as well.

Case in point: here he is pointing out the war crime of jacking Syria's natural resources, is this where we stop listening?
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[ExomatrixTV]

Can a "lefty" (or "right-wing") be trusted if he/she tells:


occasional truths?
(un)convenient truths?
obvious truths?

Actually all depends how you chose to verify "names, places, dates, sources" of ANY (left, center, or right leaning) messengers and ALL can make mistakes or exaggerate! ... They even can talk in such a way to please their peers ... which I do not mind at all ... it is a given to me ... virtue signaling is a common habit for many!

I still can look for what I find useful or not for my own path/research ... Why is this so difficult for some to understand what I try to explain here? ... Maybe because it takes so so much more effort than being trapped in just one party-line.

Nobody is flawless ... especially when people are blinded by partisan behavior.

Using discernment-skills can never be "spoon-fed" ... it must be practiced ... learn from mistakes and move on.

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
June 23, 2021

[Hym]

A friend in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, a rather conservative town, says that the city just prohibited the teaching of critically vital racist theory, or is it radical cracker theory?, or is it cracker rap testing/theory?, in their schools. It is not that much of an island in the state when you take out all of the voter fraud the democrats and their machines laid out during the last elections.

I know, the tried and true, old school, ballot stuffing, intimidation outside of the polling places, was missed by many, but it's what some americans call progress.

This is the new, new mexico, not old mexico, and it claims to be above the border, where a large portion of the populace are proud to be english speaking, colonial, we hate our relatives from old mexico, racists....Yeah. That 'new' mexico. Even here, a temp for me at this time, some sanity slips thru.... in spite of Joey B, Kammy and her invisible plane.

Yes, we all know that the temples of the dark ones, the masons, the satanists, the licking caths, et al laugh at the play going on, with demopublicans and republocrats earning their keep. We had the Hegelian dialect eons before he, Hegel, took his first breath.

Those with hearts know the difference is not different at all. Sure, we watch the fireworks, but that is the show, the entertainment, and not the LIFE.

[Gracy]

I still can look for what I find useful or not for my own path/research ... Why is this so difficult for some to understand what I try to explain here? ... Maybe because it takes so so much more effort than being trapped in just one party-line.

Um, dude, I'm not a democrat, or coming at this from a partisan democrat point of view as was clearly stated below:


Okay, so we're all agreed that we haven't much use for Biden, his vice president, or the sham democratic party for that matter (including me!). To say the least! But the question is can a lefty like Jimmy Dore (and others) be trusted not only when criticizing their own, but when criticizing the other for their sins as well.

I concur in spades with Jimmy's assessment in the first video you posted that Biden's a flat out liar, so what about where he takes aim at Trump, in his own words, where he's proudly boasting about jacking Syria's oil? (which would be considered a war crime for any other country besides the US)

Is that somehow less credible, or no big deal, because it's Trump in the crossfire and not Biden? I'm genuinely curious and it's yet to be addressed. (this is an open question as well)
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[ExomatrixTV]

Um, dude, I'm not a democrat, or coming at this from a partisan democrat point of view as was clearly stated below

"dude" ?

I was speaking in general ... I know for a fact that most (if not all) Avalonials are not "one sided" nor fixed in one party-line nor "one-dimensional" thinkers.

[ExomatrixTV]

Addled Biden Creeps Out America, While Kamala (Literally) Waits In The Wings:

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[Spindoctor]

Despite the ongoing torrent of anti Biden bias it seems Trump's base is dwindling and disappearing ...as even the hardcore rally goers exit stage left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrvpz6acDdo

[TomKat]

Despite the ongoing torrent of anti Biden bias it seems Trump's base is dwindling and disappearing ...as even the hardcore rally goers exit stage left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrvpz6acDdo

Can't imagine Trump/Kushner winning a primary against DeSantis.

[ExomatrixTV]

J.D. Vance: Corporations Are Increasingly "Not on the Side of the American Nation-State":

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[onawah]

WOW. This Video is all the EVIDENCE They Need To Invoke the 25th Amendment and Install Kamala
22,099 viewsJun 30, 2021
3.3KThe Next News Network
2.07M subscribers

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[ExomatrixTV]

Democrats have mismanaged (almost) everything:

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[thepainterdoug]

John, you have been putting up great posts across Avalon. Thanks Much

[ExomatrixTV]

Donald Trump questions if Joe Biden is running the US:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Tucker obtains whistleblower report on military flying illegal immigrants:

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[Spindoctor]

What is the likelihood trump is a puppet for the russians who are about the only lenders and doners keeping his corrupt empire afloat. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

[thepainterdoug]

spin doctor. i have to say that you carry your title more true and better than anyone on this forum.