Why do UFOs crash?

[DSKlausler]

Since yet another mention of "crash" — The 16 Levels of Disclosure (Richard Dolan lecture) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115137-The-16-Levels-of-Disclosure--Richard-Dolan-lecture-) — would someone please explain how whomever has the seemingly advanced technology to arrive here from "there", yet they crash?? Seems like a bit of contradiction to me.... come all this way, or all this time, and silly humans take them down; or: they made a mistake??

Thanks in advance.

[Bill Ryan]

It's a question that's been asked many times. There seem to be three possibilities:


They're being taken down by some kind of weaponry (or, maybe sometimes by accident), such as by certain kinds of high-powered radar which may interfere in some way with their operation.



The local conditions on Planet Earth may be difficult for them to navigate in, rather like a ship which has no problems at sea but which is in danger when it gets too close to a shallow rocky coastline.



They're crashing deliberately, in order to 'seed' technology to humans. This has been seriously suggested quite a few times.

[DSKlausler]

Thanks Bill.

I'm going with the third suggestion, as the other two just seem ridiculously simple for such an advanced entity to fail under.

[Matthew]

Thanks Bill.

I'm going with the third suggestion, as the other two just seem ridiculously simple for such an advanced entity to fail under.

Yeah, the radar excuse does smell like shenanigans; at the time of the Roswell crash radar was new technology for humans, so it's a natural instinct for a human brain to then assume 'trouble with this new radar thing' makes sense, but it doesn't make sense for space travellers.

In the Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy trilogy (of five), around the story of Arthur Dent, Adams includes a story of an isolated civilisation that can't see the rest of the universe because of some field around their planet blocking the light. Long story short a trouble maker made a UFO crash (staying mostly intact) onto this isolated planet, to advance their technology while they still had a backwards attitude of hating anything alien to them.

This planet was called Krikkit and after reverse-engineering the alien ship they started the worst war of the universe: the Krikkit wars. In Adams world, the conventional game of cricket was made from a diluted universal memory of these terrible wars, and Earth cricket is considered as being in particularly bad taste. Adams invented Brockian Ultra-Cricket which involves attacking people with sports equipment then running to a safe distance to shout "Sorry!". But I digress, point is I wonder if Adams had his own suspicions about 'crashed ufos'?

More about Adam's Krikkit: https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Krikkit

[Kryztian]

A few more questions:


Why did so many of them crash in and around New Mexico around 1947?


Are there other places or times when we have seen a concentration of UFO crashes?


If you were a General or Admiral in the military and you saw a flying vehicle from an advanced civilization, why would you possibly want to bring it down if it isn't engaged in hostile action? Wouldn't you risk starting a war with a more advanced civilization?


I was listening to ufologist Joe Murgia who was quoting "his sources" and says there is a type of UFO now frequently seen over the Atlantic Coast of the U.S. and "they are trying to bring it down." This just makes me gasp with horror, as when I hear there are mass UFO sightings in some parts of rural America and people show up with shotguns. (Well, that actually makes me giggle, thinking how ineffective a shotgun would be against an off world space ship.)

[ExomatrixTV]

Some Time Machines (us from the future) crash due to being an experimental aircraft using Bio-Engineered Robots (Synthetic Life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_biology) + Quantum A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-)) ... Real human beings may not dare to test themselves using very risky 'time travel' tech for a reason.

Many assume it "must" be "Alien" craft, and they act very alien to us ... do things that do not make sense if you can travel extreme vast distances ... But it does make perfect sense if it is us from the future.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Ratszinger]

I wonder if they really did crash or if it just wasn't their way of closer study! Imagine dumping technology (nothing that threatens you of course) on a culture or lets say, 'Strange Hominid' that you know is just intelligent enough to figure it out for their own purposes, a cell phone, and fiber optics, bundled antennae and things such as this that we now take for granted. Let us suppose that we really did go from horse and buggy to the moon in 80 years because something dumped technology on us to better understand what they discovered. What better way to observe them than by the phones we carry everywhere daily that are far more capable than any of the users! In fact even in courts of law the so called experts that put them together find that users have pointed out things they are doing that are not something even the experts were aware they did and stuff like this that indicates they (the ones that dumped this on us for study) put in back doors, other little things done so slickly that no one knows but we can figure they are using them to watch us daily. They also listen, and they track us to watch our movements over time. I'd say it is highly likely that all this advanced tech we have developed just in our life time is the result of an artificial outside source but some say I underestimate the human potential! I don't think I do. I don't recall any other time in history when we developed so quickly in less than 100 years like this. This advancement to where we are now by itself is an unprecedented event historically really.

[Gracy]

I've always thought it quite the coincidence that the year ufo's started popping up in the US, 1947, dovetails so nicely with the very recent ending of WW 2 and the advent of Paperclip.

It's also quite something that the crashes started happening in the same areas where one might wish to test out some of that advanced Nazi technology brought over.

This is not to say there are no genuine ET craft, but I have to think they'd be a little more competent than that, and in the mean time crashed ET was a fine cover story while working out the bugs.

[boja]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54e2719ee4b014cdbc426c33/t/59eabb25268b969e4ed1a346/1508555602083/7_UFO_Crashes.pdf

Seven UFO Crashes & Retrievals in New Mexico
1945–1948
Presented to Highlands Ranch Historical Society June 17, 2017 (by CHUCK WADE)

[Orph]

Everybody knows that when a spacecraft approaches a planet, it has to put itself into an orbit around the planet. As it orbits the planet, it can then choose where and when it's best to get closer to, or land on the planet. But, ..... being that the earth is flat, it throws the spacecrafts navigational systems all wonky and the poor beings flying the spacecraft are so discombobulated that occasionally they crash.

Sometimes they crash on the underside of our planet. This is what we call an earthquake.

:jester:

[amor]

Royal Reif (sp.?) is supposed to have used a frequency similar to Radar to bring down UFO's. This is why the US Govt. put him in jail (or that is what I remember reading years ago). This might suggest that some of what he brought down were actually the Nazi craft and the Nazi's were in league with the US Govt. under Project Paperclip at 1947. This possibility is even greater if he used his experiments years after 1947.

[Did You See Them]

All of the above.
Plus everything makes mistakes. Theres plenty of testimony to say they (or some) are here to help fix their own genetics that they made mistakes with.

[Vicus]

THEY go high on oxigen...


https://www.gettyimages.de/fotos/ufo-crash?phrase=ufo%20crash&sort=mostpopular

[rgray222]

I've always thought it quite the coincidence that the year ufo's started popping up in the US, 1947, dovetails so nicely with the very recent ending of WW 2 and the advent of Paperclip.

It's also quite something that the crashes started happening in the same areas where one might wish to test out some of that advanced Nazi technology brought over.

This is not to say there are no genuine ET craft, but I have to think they'd be a little more competent than that, and in the mean time crashed ET was a fine cover story while working out the bugs.

Keep in mind this around the same time that atomic energy was discovered. On July 16, 1945, in a remote desert location near Alamogordo, New Mexico, the first atomic bomb was successfully detonated—the Trinity Test. It created an enormous mushroom cloud some 40,000 feet high and ushered in the Atomic Age. During the years 1945-47 nuclear/atomic tests were being conducted all the time. Of course, there were reports of UFOs back in ancient times but the modern wave of UFO visits really coincided with nuclear energy/weapons.

[Gracy]

I've always thought it quite the coincidence that the year ufo's started popping up in the US, 1947, dovetails so nicely with the very recent ending of WW 2 and the advent of Paperclip.

It's also quite something that the crashes started happening in the same areas where one might wish to test out some of that advanced Nazi technology brought over.

This is not to say there are no genuine ET craft, but I have to think they'd be a little more competent than that, and in the mean time crashed ET was a fine cover story while working out the bugs.

Keep in mind this around the same time that atomic energy was discovered. On July 16, 1945, in a remote desert location near Alamogordo, New Mexico, the first atomic bomb was successfully detonated—the Trinity Test. It created an enormous mushroom cloud some 40,000 feet high and ushered in the Atomic Age. During the years 1945-47 nuclear/atomic tests were being conducted all the time. Of course, there were reports of UFOs back in ancient times but the modern wave of UFO visits really coincided with nuclear energy/weapons.

Of course that's entirely possible, but then that leaves us once again throwing blind darts and making excuses as to why an advanced race such as the supposed Ebens for instance, were having trouble keeping their craft in the air for a while there.

Given that choice the test pilot scenario just makes more sense to me as it's dangerous business, rather than having to explain away incompetence, but mileage may vary. :nod:

[Wansen]

If the late Ed Grimsley were here, I suspect he might suggest that some are shot down by other ET’s.

Additionally, former USMC lance corporal Jonathan Weygandt of The Disclosure Project (who apparently was stationed at a missile base in Peru), stated that the UFO he was tasked with finding had “a large gash” in the back of it and that he suspected that “we had shot it down by a surface-to-air missile”.

[Sunny-side-up]

You do know that the pilots of the UFO's, are just rich kids from other planets getting kicks out of buzzing us with their 'Boy Racer vehicles'.
sometimes they get out of had and crash.
O.0

JK btw
or is it hehe

[kfm27917]

good point !
well explained in SS Brotherhood of the Bell by Farrell
(free download at https://www.pdfdrive.com/ss-brotherhood-of-the-bell-e187251821.html)

[Bill Ryan]

As an interesting recent reference (23 May 2021), in this short segment of his interview Grant Cameron talks with Jacques Vallee about exactly this. Jacques Vallee feels that many or all of the crashes are likely to be 'gifts'. Start at 32:49.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pngkMTUeEBU

[Mashika]

It's a question that's been asked many times. There seem to be three possibilities:


They're being taken down by some kind of weaponry (or, maybe sometimes by accident), such as by certain kinds of high-powered radar which may interfere in some way with their operation.



The local conditions on Planet Earth may be difficult for them to navigate in, rather like a ship which has no problems at sea but which is in danger when it gets too close to a shallow rocky coastline.



They're crashing deliberately, in order to 'seed' technology to humans. This has been seriously suggested quite a few times.


I propose option 4

The UFO, may be not entirely on this space, and "in between spaces" or "universes"? Which is what allows them to move without observing the laws of physics

If there is a discrepancy in the synchronization between the UFO position on his original space and ours, the earth may find it's way head front against the UFO, since it "moved up a little bit" and the UFO did not had time to react to the synchronization change... So it lands hard on earth, out of nowhere

imagine a planet suddenly coming against you at an impossible to navigate away speed :)

Maybe that's why the keep themselves on higher altitudes this days, or send "orbs" instead

Just saying :)

[Mashika]

Maybe should clarify a bit more :)

Imagine there's a UFO just a bit outside earth atmosphere, and it's just sitting there

Then suddenly a synchronization issue comes up and the earth is suddenly about to occupy the space where the UFO is floating

What would happen?

The UFO would suddenly find itself entering the atmosphere at an impossible to navigate away speed, you can't escape earth's atmosphere in that way, either you bounce, or you get dragged down in flames, if you don't enter in the correct angle

So this UFO, suddenly sees this monster planet approaching and attempts to move away but fails and gets dragged down at the wrong angle, it burns on entry, creating a fireball in the sky. And then finally crashes because it got all broken down on entry to atmosphere. Basically that, once the earth's gravity catches you like that, there's no going back

And maybe, the reason we don't see more UFO crashes now, is because they figured out how to keep in sync

But again. I'm just saying :)

[ExomatrixTV]

If the late Ed Grimsley were here, I suspect he might suggest that some are shot down by other ET’s.

Additionally, former USMC lance corporal Jonathan Weygandt of The Disclosure Project (who apparently was stationed at a missile base in Peru), stated that the UFO he was tasked with finding had “a large gash” in the back of it and that he suspected that “we had shot it down by a surface-to-air missile”.


Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt's testimony on the "shot down" UFO which crashed in Peru, 1994:

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Interview from 1997. Via: SiriusDisclosure.com (http://www.SiriusDisclosure.com)

[RatRodRob...RRR]

Thanks Bill.

I'm going with the third suggestion, as the other two just seem ridiculously simple for such an advanced entity to fail under.

But we humans are super advanced in the eyes of many other species on earth, and we still crash things, and i would think that driving a nuts and bolts type of craft from one galaxy to another, not by moving at or faster than the speed of light, but rather way more exotic means of travel, like folding space time, or having the ability to travel in and out of different dimensions, or navigating wormholes....etc.

Those three i just mentioned are of technology and/or spiritual ability that require absolute perfect control, i would imagine if you/they got it a bit wrong they could get stuck inbetween galaxies or their molecular make up might not re-materialize like it should, how funny would it be if scotty beamed up three dudes at the same time and their bodies were all mixed up with each other.

Anyway im just suggesting that more "advanced" may not result in being accident proof.

[grapevine]

The latest is that the USA have between 12 and 15 'crash' UFOs, some complete some not. My question is: are they all in the USA only? Aren't there any in other countries, or is there an international agreement that they all get shipped off to America?

Update: My question was answered in the UAP Retrieval thread, ie. Russia and China have some.

[aoibhghaire]

To be brief there have been UAP crashes/retrievals taken place in a number of countries.
Here are some, but I do know there are a lot more outside the USA than the list here.

1996: Varginha, Brazil
1989: Kalahari Desert, South Africa.
1996: Boyle, Ireland
????: North Wales, UK
????: Russia
????: China

Some countries do have agreements with the USA

[Kryztian]

To be brief there have been UAP crashes/retrievals taken place in a number of countries.
Here are some, but I do know there are a lot more outside the USA than the list here.

1996: Varginha, Brazil
1989: Kalahari Desert, South Africa.
1996: Boyle, Ireland
????: North Wales, UK
????: Russia
????: China

Some countries do have agreements with the USA

And from the latest David Grush interview we can add one more:

1930s Magenta, Italy

This would have happened under the Mussolini government, and per the Grush interview which just took place with Ross Coulthart the transfer of the craft to the U.S.A. was assisted by the Vatican.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

1989: Kalahari Desert, South Africa.

Indeed! A major case very often overlooked. A little more about that crash here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111528-Joe-Rogan-Experience-George-Knapp-Jeremy-Corbell&p=1367935&viewfull=1#post1367935).

[RatRodRob...RRR]

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[RatRodRob...RRR]

To be brief there have been UAP crashes/retrievals taken place in a number of countries.
Here are some, but I do know there are a lot more outside the USA than the list here.

1996: Varginha, Brazil
1989: Kalahari Desert, South Africa.
1996: Boyle, Ireland
????: North Wales, UK
????: Russia
????: China

Some countries do have agreements with the USA

Hi aoib, when you suggest Russia, do you mean Tunguska..........?..................RRR

[aoibhghaire]

Not Tunguska,

Recovery of a crashed flying saucer in 1969 was near Sverdlovsk.
The Voice of Russia (110M listeners) also includes references to unconfirmed reports that a UFO crashed or was shot down near the city of Prohlandnyi, in the USSR in 1989. Like the previous story, this one included alleged alien bodies.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Not Tunguska,

Recovery of a crashed flying saucer in 1969 was near Sverdlovsk.


There was also the very interesting Dalnegorsk incident, involving a crashed (allegedly) non-terrestrial object in the Soviet Union in 1986. [more here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=1183302&viewfull=1#post1183302)]

It's sometimes been associated with this footage below, of a "supposed" crash retrieval by the Russian military.

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51043

If genuine, the footage is more likely to date from the 60s -- the details around this one are sketchy. Sure is interesting though.

The story and footage was showcased in the old KGB Files series hosted by Roger Moore.
Starts at 13.20

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[Russian Bear]

UFO crash in Soviet Russia 1968/Russian Airplane Pilots Spot UFO

The details of a Russian UFO crash on or about 1969. This case comes from "Secret KGB Files," which were reportedly smuggled out of the former Soviet Union. Reportedly, $10,000 was paid for the information. The details of these secret files were first offered to the general public on 9-13-98 as part of a TNT special titled "The Secret UFO Files of the KGB." The show featured an extraordinary film and still photographs of the UFO recovery, and also a portion of an autopsy film on part of an alien body.
Source: BN_iSOOcapw

A mysterious object in the form of a green ball was located near the airliner.

On April 15, 2025, the crew of Yamal Airlines, performing a flight on the Novy Urengoy-Moscow route on board an Airbus A320, encountered an unusual phenomenon in the airspace. This was reported by the Aviaincident Telegram channel, which specializes in aviation incidents.

The incident occurred on the approach to the Moscow control zone, near Sheremetyevo Airport. According to the source, the pilots recorded a spherical object in the sky emitting a bright green glow. As specified, the unidentified object was approximately 300 meters above the flight level of the passenger airliner. At the same time, according to dispatch data, not a single aircraft or object with permission to be in this zone was registered in this sector.

Having seen the anomaly, the crew immediately reported the incident to air traffic control services and notified the air defense units. Despite the unusual situation, the pilots were given permission to continue the flight without deviating from the route. The plane landed safely at Sheremetyevo, and all passengers completed the flight in the normal mode.

This case is far from the first in a series of reports of Russian pilots encountering unidentified flying objects.

For example, in November 2024, the crew of a Boeing 737-800 flying from Sochi to Moscow also reported visual contact with a UFO. That time, according to the pilots, a whole row of luminous objects, about two dozen, were seen at altitude, moving parallel to the aircraft's course. The objects lined up in a straight line and followed the airliner for several minutes. The situation was reported to the air defense, but, as in the April incident, the crew commander decided not to change course and complete the flight as scheduled.

Another similar incident occurred on August 21, 2022, when the pilots of a Pobeda airline plane flying from Perm to Moscow encountered an unexpected situation while landing at Vnukovo. An unidentified object suddenly appeared in the sky and crossed the runway at high speed. This triggered the TCAS collision avoidance system. Despite the incident, the landing took place without incident.

An equally mysterious incident was recorded on August 13, 2022, in the airspace over the Samara region. Then, the Aeroflot crew, flying from Istanbul to Moscow, reported observing a triangular-shaped object moving towards the plane at high speed. According to the pilots' description, the front of the object was equipped with a powerful white strobe light, and green and red lights were located on the sides. After several seconds of visual contact, the object suddenly disappeared.

Experts do not undertake to draw unambiguous conclusions about the nature of such phenomena. However, the number of reports of UFO encounters in Russian airspace has increased significantly in recent years. Experts emphasize that none of the incidents entailed a threat to passengers or a violation of safety regulations, but the facts themselves require further study and analysis.

Source: https://mo.tsargrad.tv/news/piloty-zametili-v-nebe-nad-ajeroportom-sheremetevo-zeljonyj-nlo_1226948

Attention! Important information, you must know the truth.

It is with the "Washington carousel" that the cooperation of the Masonic American government with UFOs begins (Masons/Iluminati - a secret world government in America that secretly makes every effort to control the world and politics on Earth and strives for a One World Order). s that UFOs are not aliens from other galaxies and they do not fly to us from other planets. When these aliens tell people about it, they lie, pretend. UFOs and humanoids do exist, but they are demons (fallen angels). God created the world, and Satan tried to organize a revolution in the Kingdom of Heaven, in which he lost and was defeated. After that, the devil began to wage war against God on Earth. These demons hate God and his creation - people. Demons fight against God and humanity. Also, many disasters occur because of these evil spirits. They appear to the world elite as aliens from other galaxies. They cooperate with the government. UFOs also abduct people for their experiments and the government knows about it because they have made a contract about it. For example, one of the purposes of abducting people is that they take a piece of skin from a person and grow this skin in their underground laboratories, after which these demons (humanoids) put on (cover themselves with it) this human skin and become similar to people, this is how reptilians appear. These are all demons. God exists, and demons, and Satan too. Hell and the Kingdom of Heaven are real. When the Antichrist comes, humanity will feel the presence of UFOs. Everyone will see them openly, as shown in Hollywood movies
One of the reasons why aliens need to cooperate with the government is diamonds, their flying ships use diamonds as fuel, over time the diamond splits and they need new supplies of this fuel. When people dream of visiting an alien ship, this is madness, people can lose their soul and die from such meetings. Also, when a person flies with aliens on their spaceship, the person loses vitality. The consequences for a person are negative. As I said in the previous article, scientists have recorded negative wave functions from these UFOs, which already scientifically confirms the negative phenomena.

They fear God Jesus Christ and the prayer to the Lord suffocates them with fire and they become incredibly painful from this. Remember that these are demons (fallen angels)

Read the article about this in detail: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...86#post1663986

[Open Minded Dude]

Intriguing footage indeed.

My thanks is for the first part (not the part in bold letters because imv everyone should have the right to their own interpretation(s) of UFO/ET phenomena.)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Before you start yet another new thread, use the search function, top-right corner of almost every page.

-Merging with the existing and pertinent thread (see post #31)

[Ratszinger]

UFO's don't crash. They are deposited so we'll take them and reverse engineer parts of them they intended for us to use just that way. They did this to spy on us daily living our lives with us, hearing, seeing and experiencing through our communication devices we call phones. They use backdoors so clever we don't even know they exist and with them they can study us without the need for fear of germs or virus infection or smelling our germy breath or BO as they near us. I truly believe they simply gave an 'ant colony' some technology useless and antique to them to us just so they could better understand us by giving us all the means for them to do that in the way of these personal phones, that do much more than act simply as a phone..

[Russian Bear]

Part 2, Russian angel. UFOs are demons (fallen angels). And now in detail about this. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129520-Part-2-Russian-angel.-UFOs-are-demons--fallen-angels-.-And-now-in-detail-about-this.

UFOs are demons (fallen angels). Meetings with them are dangerous. If you meet them by chance, just start reading the prayer to Jesus Christ and you will see how they will suffer and this prayer will burn them strongly. Run away from them if you suddenly see them.