Math has a "Fatal Flaw" (Godel's Incompleteness Theorem)

[ExomatrixTV]

Math Has a Fatal Flaw?

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Not everything that is true can be proven. This discovery transformed infinity, changed the course of a world war and led to the modern computer.


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[syrwong]

If mathematics is incomplete, since it is based on logic, logic is incomplete. It is incomplete in the sense that we cannot get all the truths by logic. It also means that human thinking using logic has very great limitations. Therefore searching for the (ultimate) truth by philosophizing is futile. We may get some, but ultimately because our brain is not created for comprehending everything, we must eventually give up doing so. I prefer picking some words of wisdom and accepting them as truths by experiencing myself. Examples are "All is one and everything is connected to one another" or "There is only you". They may seem very illogical, but you can appreciate their truth only by experiencing them.

[gord]

A clip of Roger Penrose on Joe Rogan. I started out as a math major and never finished, but I love this stuff. One of the most interesting books I ever read was Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter.

Roger Penrose explains Godel's incompleteness theorem in 3 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w11mI67R95I

[Bill Ryan]

Roger Penrose explains Godel's incompleteness theorem in 3 minutes
But not very clearly! :P :)

[meat suit]

Roger Penrose explains Godel's incompleteness theorem in 3 minutes
But not very clearly! :P :)

yeah, not very clearly and he could have done that in 20 seconds as well.. more clearly...:highfive:

[oz93666]

A clip of Roger Penrose on Joe Rogan. I started out as a math major and never finished, but I love this stuff. One of the most interesting books I ever read was Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter.
Roger Penrose explains Godel's incompleteness theorem in 3 minutes

I think the punch line is in the last few seconds " You prove it's true by virtue of your belief in the rules" ...All Gibberish .

The dark side has infiltrated and corrupted EVERYTHING ....

If you get cancer they'll offer two cures either radiation , or chemo (toxic chemicals) ... both Cause cancer! ....

If you go to an art gallery , you'll see this on the wall , worth millions $ , And the 'experts ' will tell you it's genius ...
It has been admitted the CIA created the whole modern art movement , the reason they give is a lie , the real reason they do it is make you doubt your own judgment ,get you in the habit of shutting up and deferring to experts .... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

https://storage.googleapis.com/i.groupbuya.com/images/gb/47/868847/868847_w.jpg....

So believe none of it , real math does not have a "Fatal Flaw" ... Just corrupted math has a flaw .
And real medicine is not flawed , just corrupted modern medicine is flawed

Some genius cosmologist , using just mathematics will crunch his numbers and prove beyond doubt that nothing can escape from a black hole ... then a decade later another one will prove " there are exceptions ", so it's all meaningless ...

You can't trust this sort of Math , no more than you can trust modern medicine . ...

The cabal love and promote this insanity .. their people control the Universities and decide who gets professorships , they go to people promoting non sense...

Mathematicians can even be used to support the lie we live in a matrix / hologram , and recently the media has been full of 'experts' telling us they've proved mathematically the world isn't real ...cabal are keen to promote this idea , it will disempower any rebellion to their NWO ( what's the point of getting stressed out if nothing is real?) .... https://plus.maths.org/content/do-we-live-hologram

[Bill Ryan]

Roger Penrose explains Godel's incompleteness theorem in 3 minutes
But not very clearly! :P :)

yeah, not very clearly and he could have done that in 20 seconds as well.. more clearly...:highfive:For anyone touching on this thread who's bewildered, here's the simple version. :)

In math, true statements are almost always provable, and are proved. For instance, we can prove that 2+3 = 3+2. It's not just someone's theory! That's going be true throughout the universe, on every planet, for all time.

And for those of you who remember Pythagoras' theorem (that in a right angled triangle with sides of length a, b and c, a2+b2=c2), we can prove that as well. The equation is always true.

And so is the equation that the area of a circle is πr2, where r is the circle's radius. That's true, too, and we can prove that — for any circle, anywhere in the universe.

But in 1931 Kurt Gödel proved — paradoxically! — that some statements in math are 100% true but can actually never be proved. No matter how smart you are. They're just totally unprovable.

So, math is actually "incomplete", and can never be "completed". Not even by ETs with IQs of 400 who are a million years more advanced than us.

That upset a GREAT many people. At first, mathematicians could hardly believe it. It's still disputed in some circles, but is now almost completely accepted.

Gödel, meanwhile, suffered serious bouts of mental instability later in his life... which, one might wryly observe, might not have been surprising.

:flower:

[Mashika]

That upset a GREAT many people. At first, mathematicians could hardly believe it. It's still disputed in some circles, but is now almost completely accepted.

Gödel, meanwhile, suffered serious bouts of mental instability later in his life... which, one might wryly observe, might not have been surprising.
:flower:

"In the beginning, Math was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad, but paradoxically, good move"

Whenever i see the complexity of Math and how we constantly fail to truly understand it, i always feel like 'someone' made it just like that, just to have fun with our frustration..

This coming from a regular Math loser, btw

:P

[Bill Ryan]

"In the beginning, Math was created."A lovely speculation might be that eventually, when we'd developed a powerful enough computer, pi would be calculated to a quadrillion digits.

Then a sequence of zeros and ones would appear, and when translated from binary would read: "Well done, mankind. I was waiting for you to reach this point. Now you know that I exist."

:)

[gord]

Ok, here's my shortest description (my words):

Any formal system sufficiently complex that it can be used to form statements about itself, can be used to form statements which can be neither proved nor disproved within that system.

Off topic: Are legal systems formal systems which are sufficiently complex that they can be used to form statements about themselves?

[I am B]

42 :flower:

[Bill Ryan]

42 :flower:That answer's probably true, but I bet you can't prove it. :)

[I am B]

How can I prove anything I want it to be? e.e

[Ernie Nemeth]

If mathematics was complete, there would be no miracles.

[Vangelo]

Ok, here's my shortest description (my words):

Any formal system sufficiently complex that it can be used to form statements about itself, can be used to form statements which can be neither proved nor disproved within that system.


Gord, your description triggered the following thought... Of course not, otherwise it would not be sufficiently complex. In other words, for the formal system to be complete it has to include all possible cases i.e. there will be true statements that cannot be proved or disproved.

With this line of reasoning, it makes mathematics that much more powerful and complete.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Any system that deals with infinity has the problem of completeness.

It could be said that the irreconcilable relationship between the finite and infinity is the proof of incompleteness itself.

[Bill Ryan]

Any system that deals with infinity has the problem of completeness.

It could be said that the irreconcilable relationship between the finite and infinity is the proof of incompleteness itself.Yes. :) There was another set of apparent paradoxes — published by another great mathematician who ALSO ended up with mental health problems.

Georg Cantor proved that there were several different kinds of infinity, some of which were larger than others. (Even that has been seriously disputed as being kind of meaningless, but the mathematical proofs, which are actually quite simple, are compelling and logical.)

[Ernie Nemeth]

This line of argument is based in the largest context, without going metaphysical, on the ungraspable concept of the ether. Modern science has almost entirely done away with the need for it, yet a malleable fabric that responds to the material it supports in a space/time continuum is just as mysterious.

Somehow, an Infinite substance supports all the finite material of the universe. Calling it a space/time continuum instead does not eradicate the conundrum and nuisance of the fact that there is an ether: a uniform lattice that connects every part of the finite world to the whole of the infinite universal construct.

[Hughe]

In math, true statements are almost always provable, and are proved. For instance, we can prove that 2+3 = 3+2. It's not just someone's theory! That's going be true throughout the universe, on every planet, for all time.


I can give an counter example that disproves 2+3 = 3+2.
If the numbers represent purely imaginary objects, then above equation is always true.
If the numbers represent real objects that orientation of shape changes the total volume, then above equation has limited truth.
For example, let's put five magnets.
Make the number two with two magnets arranging [N S] [N S]
Making the number three with three magnets arranging [N S] [N S] [N S]
Applying the left side state 2 + 3, creates the number five states:
[N S] [N S] [N S] [N S] [N S]

If we flip one of the number two or three to create the number five, below is the result.
[S N] [S N] <------------> [N S] [N S] [N S]


And for those of you who remember Pythagoras' theorem (that in a right angled triangle with sides of length a, b and c, a2+b2=c2), we can prove that as well. The equation is always true.

It only works on uniform Euclidean 3D space.

3D space such as human face, Pythagora's theorem is failed.
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Science always has limitation.

[Satori]

I doubt that math, qua math, that is, the being-ness of math, has a flaw or that any flaw, so-called, is fatal.

What is flawed is the ability of the human brain (but perhaps not the mind consciousness) to know and understand the deeper secrets of creation. Those secrets are unknowable. This is what separates the created from the creator.

Intuition often fills the gaps between what we think we know and what confounds us. It gives us a sense of knowing, but not always. Uncertainty, undecidability, probability and luck (good or bad) are out there.

I believe this is true. But I can’t prove it.

[DSKlausler]

"In the beginning, Math was created."A lovely speculation might be that eventually, when we'd developed a powerful enough computer, pi would be calculated to a quadrillion digits.

Then a sequence of zeros and ones would appear, and when translated from binary would read: "Well done, mankind. I was waiting for you to reach this point. Now you know that I exist."

:)

Hmmm... sounds familiar. I think I read something very close to that in a SciFi book; maybe an old movie.

[ExomatrixTV]

"Proof" assumes we have limitations in what we call "reality" for practical reasons like: what is the smallest object/particle measured by the smartest quantum computer on Earth or most advanced alien civilization ever in the Universe that can not divided by 2 (if it could it would not be the smallest useful or practical object/particle anymore) ... but with math you can go smaller in to infinity ... which is a paradox to me ... as how is that a "true representation" of reality?


My brain hurts. :confused::facepalm::faint2:

What if valid paradoxes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paradoxes) are all part of a bigger reality? How does that relate that to us? To what end? Mind-boggling.

Why do we tend not to allow paradoxes to exist? Maybe because we assume proving any paradox makes something "invalid" meanwhile it is still there! Is this done by design? Prime Creator must be laughing about that in to infinity.

cheers,
John

[gord]

You're zeroing in on things in the set of all things which can (potentially) be measured physically. Not all things are in that set. Try to draw a right angle that is physically, measurably perfect. You can't, however small a level you try to measure it. Hence my signature.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think it is by designing machines that 'force' or 'coax' the paradox into the forefront and then using it to make impossible things happen, is a way to elicit the effects of the zero point field.

[Mashika]

"Science always has limitation..."

It sounds more like "our understanding of reality and our attempts at explaining it, always have limitations"

Science is not a being or anything like that, it's a constantly moving target, so the limitation is actually ourselves. By how we apply science. As we see everything one way, new discoveries are made and "science advances", now we have another view. Science did not move anywhere, our brains did, our understanding did, whatever we discovered had been there all along, we just could not see it yet

We have the limitations. Our science may not even be valid for other beings in other realities, it would be meaningless to say that experimenting is not a valid way to test and validate theories, that's all science is in the end



In math, true statements are almost always provable, and are proved. For instance, we can prove that 2+3 = 3+2. It's not just someone's theory! That's going be true throughout the universe, on every planet, for all time.


I can give an counter example that disproves 2+3 = 3+2.
If the numbers represent purely imaginary objects, then above equation is always true.
If the numbers represent real objects that orientation of shape changes the total volume, then above equation has limited truth.
For example, let's put five magnets.
Make the number two with two magnets arranging [N S] [N S]
Making the number three with three magnets arranging [N S] [N S] [N S]
Applying the left side state 2 + 3, creates the number five states:
[N S] [N S] [N S] [N S] [N S]

If we flip one of the number two or three to create the number five, below is the result.
[S N] [S N] <------------> [N S] [N S] [N S]


And for those of you who remember Pythagoras' theorem (that in a right angled triangle with sides of length a, b and c, a2+b2=c2), we can prove that as well. The equation is always true.

It only works on uniform Euclidean 3D space.

3D space such as human face, Pythagora's theorem is failed.
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Science always has limitation.

[Merkaba360]

If mathematics is incomplete, since it is based on logic, logic is incomplete. It is incomplete in the sense that we cannot get all the truths by logic. It also means that human thinking using logic has very great limitations. Therefore searching for the (ultimate) truth by philosophizing is futile. We may get some, but ultimately because our brain is not created for comprehending everything, we must eventually give up doing so. I prefer picking some words of wisdom and accepting them as truths by experiencing myself. Examples are "All is one and everything is connected to one another" or "There is only you". They may seem very illogical, but you can appreciate their truth only by experiencing them.

Those dont just seem logical to me, they are very logical. Once you understand holographics/fractals, then its not only logical but nothing else makes any sense. So, what seems logical all depends on what level of awareness we hold obviously. I do think that logic (order/patterns) eventually blend into chaos and the unknowable mystery. But that is way beyond the logic of the average human. I bet that high level angels do things that look nonsensical to other highly aware interdimensional beings/ETs.

Godel, Escher and Bach is a fascinating book and Hofstedtler makes me feel like a moron. My god that guy is brilliant at what he does. lol

Brilliant thought on the CIA and the modern art movement. haha. They probably are also behind a lot of those physicists publishing loads of magic math they pull out of their butts. :)

Bill is absolutely right about the geometric relationships being universal in even the strangest of worlds. They can change the symbols and what not but the basic relationships are built up from singularity and im quite sure it cant be different. Once you scale up to more complicated levels of atoms, then I could see different configurations in different worlds, although even those seem to be based off sacred geometry. Perhaps it can be same same but different. lol

I haven't looked into Godel's Theorem but that's a really fascinating line of thought to try and prove. Seriously, we need some brain power upgrades, it sucks realizing your limitations and seeing what the Godel's have achieved.

[Merkaba360]

Roger Penrose explains Godel's incompleteness theorem in 3 minutes
But not very clearly! :P :)

yeah, not very clearly and he could have done that in 20 seconds as well.. more clearly...:highfive:For anyone touching on this thread who's bewildered, here's the simple version. :)

In math, true statements are almost always provable, and are proved. For instance, we can prove that 2+3 = 3+2. It's not just someone's theory! That's going be true throughout the universe, on every planet, for all time.

And for those of you who remember Pythagoras' theorem (that in a right angled triangle with sides of length a, b and c, a2+b2=c2), we can prove that as well. The equation is always true.

And so is the equation that the area of a circle is πr2, where r is the circle's radius. That's true, too, and we can prove that — for any circle, anywhere in the universe.

But in 1931 Kurt Gödel proved — paradoxically! — that some statements in math are 100% true but can actually never be proved. No matter how smart you are. They're just totally unprovable.

So, math is actually "incomplete", and can never be "completed". Not even by ETs with IQs of 400 who are a million years more advanced than us.

That upset a GREAT many people. At first, mathematicians could hardly believe it. It's still disputed in some circles, but is now almost completely accepted.

Gödel, meanwhile, suffered serious bouts of mental instability later in his life... which, one might wryly observe, might not have been surprising.

:flower:

Have you or others heard of JainPi. It basically asserts that Pi is wrong because it is calculate from lines. So, they found that Pi calculated from Phi (spirals) is slightly different. In other words, the Pi we use is good enough for most uses but fails with some astronomical calculations. I just looked into it a bit, but It wouldnt surprise me. Form is created from the womb of the feminine (circles/curves). So its would make more sense to derive Pi/circles from Phi and not lines, since it seems lines/linear are part of the illusion (like timelines).

Linear seems more part of the objective world that is exact although as an idea. However, there is no perfect circle, and even in the symbolic world of ideas, it seems more subjective given Pi is an irrational number in which we never arrive due to infinite decimals - never completing precision.

I'm envisioning Bill administering ET's a human IQ test, breaking the test. lol If they get one question wrong we all point fingers at them and laugh for being the alien dunce. haha

[palehorse]

The Zero Theorem is a nice sci-fi movie and shows how someone can get insane trying to tackle the mysteries of the universe, and of course there is real life cases where people got completely insane, I like math but not that much, if it shakes someone's core to the point of create some irreversible issue it can't be good. :)

[ExomatrixTV]

The Zero Theorem is a nice sci-fi movie and shows how someone can get insane trying to tackle the mysteries of the universe, and of course there is real life cases where people got completely insane, I like math but not that much, if it shakes someone's core to the point of create some irreversible issue it can't be good. :)


The Zero Theorem Trailer:

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Terry Gilliam on His Epic New Dystopian Film The Zero Theorem (https://www.wired.com/2014/09/zero-theorem/)

The writer of Doctor Parnassus reimagines the future in The Zero Theorem.



The Zero Theorem - Clip: The Kid Explains - At Cinemas March 14:

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Uncovering The Zero Theorem with Terry Gilliam:

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A hugely talented but socially isolated computer operator is tasked by Management to prove the Zero Theorem: that the universe ends as nothing, rendering life meaningless. But meaning is what he already craves.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTc4NTIxMTE0OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNTQ5NTYxMjE@._V1_.jpg



Weird, wise and wonderful.

Terry Gilliam has never found it easy to make one of his downright weird films. Studio interference has almost invariably led to project delays, postponements, and outright cancellations, with his final cuts emerging bruised, bloodied and - more often than not - broken. Interestingly, The Zero Theorem suffers from next to none of the scuttlebutt that usually accompanies a Gilliam film. Instead, this dense, complex, thought- provoking odyssey of human existence and (un)happiness feels like pure Gilliam: odd, uncompromising, but - at its best - almost breathtakingly brilliant.

In some not-so-distant, sparkly-bright dystopian future, brilliant and determinedly solitary mathematician Qohen Leth (Christoph Waltz) suffers through the tiny indignities of daily life. He's forced to leave the burnt-out church he calls home to report for work, where he crunches numbers for his clueless immediate supervisor Joby (David Thewlis). But all he wants is to stay close to his telephone, waiting for a call he believes will help him unravel the mysteries of the universe and his existence.

When mysterious head honcho Management (a silver-haired Matt Damon) finally gives him leave to work from home, Qohen is assigned the impossible Zero Theorem, a mathematical conundrum that has defeated many a mathematician before him. To keep him from going completely around the bend, Management sends him company in the form of Bainsley (Mélanie Thierry), a nubile young woman with whom he forges an unexpected emotional connection; and Management's own genius teenage son Bob (Lucas Hedges).

If you're looking for a plot that makes sense and progresses in logical fashion, The Zero Theorem is not the film for you. In Gilliam's movie, based on a loopy, mind-bending script by Pat Rushin, plot points are more often than not metaphors for the human condition. The script can be simultaneously literal and obtuse: Qohen lives in a hollowed-out church, a blindingly obvious symbol of the fading of traditional religion; he's waiting for a call - read: calling - that will free him from the humdrum banalities of a worker-bee's life.

But that's also where the film's genius lies. It's an explosion of philosophical ideas, asking deep, difficult questions about happiness, humanity and hubris - often in the same scene. Few films and film-makers would dare to so boldly confront existential issues on this scale and to this depth. The titular Zero Theorem, after all, requires Qohen to prove that everything is nothing: that the entire universe, filled with people, ultimately has no meaning. Qohen's strange, isolated journey hints at some answers, but not anywhere near all of them.

Gilliam could easily have failed on two counts: the seemingly stereotypical blonde love interest; and the annoyingly precocious teenage boy. But, within these archetypes, The Zero Theorem finds something fascinating to say. Bainsley starts out as a ditzy blonde dream girl, but winds up offering Qohen plenty of soul and an elusive, transient kind of eternity. Bob, too, is a whip-smart delight, a child more in tune with the silent beats and rhythms of the universe than any number of people older and purportedly wiser than him.

The film would fail catastrophically without a leading man capable of handling the tragedy and comedy of Qohen Leth - a character who, in habitually referring to himself using the royal 'we' , is a metaphor for every human being that has ever been and will ever be. Waltz is more than up to the task. He is hilariously effective when called upon to wriggle into a skin-tight virtual-reality costume, and devastatingly heartbreaking in the moment when Qohen refuses a chance at freedom and happiness to stay locked into the dark, nihilistic world in which he lives.

There are also a pair of wonderful supporting turns - slightly larger than cameos - from Damon and Tilda Swinton. The former clearly enjoyed his time working on The Brothers Grimm, one of Gilliam's most disastrous on-set experiences, and here, he provides a grim, mysterious counterpoint to Waltz's Cohen - the latter only appears to be impenetrable and tough to crack. Swinton, meanwhile, is a hoot as Dr. Shrink-Rom, Qohen's at-home, virtual psychiatrist, fumbling through their sessions with tons of blustery, false cheer.

Perhaps most astounding of all is the fact that Gilliam made a film that looks so good - in its inventive, kitschy way - on a shoestring budget of US$8.5 million. That's pocket change for most Hollywood films, and there's no doubt that everyone involved took a huge pay-cut to make The Zero Theorem look as great as it does. The special effects are mostly wonderful, and the neon-coloured world through which the black-clad Qohen stalks practically bursts at the seams with detail and imagination.

The Zero Theorem is emphatically not a film that will appeal to everyone. There are those who will find themselves incredibly annoyed by its philosophical navel-gazing, and others who might find Qohen's entire journey pointless and irredeemably self-involved. But, when it comes down to it, it's hard to deny the weird, wacky power of Gilliam's movie. The Zero Theorem so bravely grapples with big ideas and complicated metaphors that it's hard not to admire the director's great courage and even greater ambition.

Did you know:


Trivia (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/trivia/?ref_=tt_trv_trv): In order to select the locations, Terry Gilliam (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000416/) used Google Earth: "I'd got most of the locations sorted out by using Google Earth before I first went to Romania. This is how we do location scouting these days



Goofs (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/goofs?tab=gf&ref_=tt_trv_gf): When Qohen is sitting at his computer naked, he is wearing flesh colored underwear



Quotes (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu)Qohen Leth (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0910607/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): Nothing adds up.
Joby (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000667/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): No. You've got it backwards, Qohen. Everything adds up to nothing, that's the point.
Qohen Leth (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0910607/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): What's the point?
Joby (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000667/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): Exactly. What's the point of anything



Crazy credits (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/crazycredits?tab=cz&ref_=tt_trv_cc): In memory of the great Richard D. Zanuck who kept the ball rolling



Connections: (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/movieconnections/?ref_=tt_trv_cnn) Featured in Film '72: Episode dated 5 March 201 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3578996/?ref_=tt_trv_cnn)

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[palehorse]

The Zero Theorem is a nice sci-fi movie and shows how someone can get insane trying to tackle the mysteries of the universe, and of course there is real life cases where people got completely insane, I like math but not that much, if it shakes someone's core to the point of create some irreversible issue it can't be good. :)


The Zero Theorem Trailer:

yEvA_87krBA
Terry Gilliam on His Epic New Dystopian Film The Zero Theorem (https://www.wired.com/2014/09/zero-theorem/)

The writer of Doctor Parnassus reimagines the future in The Zero Theorem.



The Zero Theorem - Clip: The Kid Explains - At Cinemas March 14:

M95zzYF3k4Y


Uncovering The Zero Theorem with Terry Gilliam:

jCL8K7OA9HQ

A hugely talented but socially isolated computer operator is tasked by Management to prove the Zero Theorem: that the universe ends as nothing, rendering life meaningless. But meaning is what he already craves.

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Weird, wise and wonderful.

Terry Gilliam has never found it easy to make one of his downright weird films. Studio interference has almost invariably led to project delays, postponements, and outright cancellations, with his final cuts emerging bruised, bloodied and - more often than not - broken. Interestingly, The Zero Theorem suffers from next to none of the scuttlebutt that usually accompanies a Gilliam film. Instead, this dense, complex, thought- provoking odyssey of human existence and (un)happiness feels like pure Gilliam: odd, uncompromising, but - at its best - almost breathtakingly brilliant.

In some not-so-distant, sparkly-bright dystopian future, brilliant and determinedly solitary mathematician Qohen Leth (Christoph Waltz) suffers through the tiny indignities of daily life. He's forced to leave the burnt-out church he calls home to report for work, where he crunches numbers for his clueless immediate supervisor Joby (David Thewlis). But all he wants is to stay close to his telephone, waiting for a call he believes will help him unravel the mysteries of the universe and his existence.

When mysterious head honcho Management (a silver-haired Matt Damon) finally gives him leave to work from home, Qohen is assigned the impossible Zero Theorem, a mathematical conundrum that has defeated many a mathematician before him. To keep him from going completely around the bend, Management sends him company in the form of Bainsley (Mélanie Thierry), a nubile young woman with whom he forges an unexpected emotional connection; and Management's own genius teenage son Bob (Lucas Hedges).

If you're looking for a plot that makes sense and progresses in logical fashion, The Zero Theorem is not the film for you. In Gilliam's movie, based on a loopy, mind-bending script by Pat Rushin, plot points are more often than not metaphors for the human condition. The script can be simultaneously literal and obtuse: Qohen lives in a hollowed-out church, a blindingly obvious symbol of the fading of traditional religion; he's waiting for a call - read: calling - that will free him from the humdrum banalities of a worker-bee's life.

But that's also where the film's genius lies. It's an explosion of philosophical ideas, asking deep, difficult questions about happiness, humanity and hubris - often in the same scene. Few films and film-makers would dare to so boldly confront existential issues on this scale and to this depth. The titular Zero Theorem, after all, requires Qohen to prove that everything is nothing: that the entire universe, filled with people, ultimately has no meaning. Qohen's strange, isolated journey hints at some answers, but not anywhere near all of them.

Gilliam could easily have failed on two counts: the seemingly stereotypical blonde love interest; and the annoyingly precocious teenage boy. But, within these archetypes, The Zero Theorem finds something fascinating to say. Bainsley starts out as a ditzy blonde dream girl, but winds up offering Qohen plenty of soul and an elusive, transient kind of eternity. Bob, too, is a whip-smart delight, a child more in tune with the silent beats and rhythms of the universe than any number of people older and purportedly wiser than him.

The film would fail catastrophically without a leading man capable of handling the tragedy and comedy of Qohen Leth - a character who, in habitually referring to himself using the royal 'we' , is a metaphor for every human being that has ever been and will ever be. Waltz is more than up to the task. He is hilariously effective when called upon to wriggle into a skin-tight virtual-reality costume, and devastatingly heartbreaking in the moment when Qohen refuses a chance at freedom and happiness to stay locked into the dark, nihilistic world in which he lives.

There are also a pair of wonderful supporting turns - slightly larger than cameos - from Damon and Tilda Swinton. The former clearly enjoyed his time working on The Brothers Grimm, one of Gilliam's most disastrous on-set experiences, and here, he provides a grim, mysterious counterpoint to Waltz's Cohen - the latter only appears to be impenetrable and tough to crack. Swinton, meanwhile, is a hoot as Dr. Shrink-Rom, Qohen's at-home, virtual psychiatrist, fumbling through their sessions with tons of blustery, false cheer.

Perhaps most astounding of all is the fact that Gilliam made a film that looks so good - in its inventive, kitschy way - on a shoestring budget of US$8.5 million. That's pocket change for most Hollywood films, and there's no doubt that everyone involved took a huge pay-cut to make The Zero Theorem look as great as it does. The special effects are mostly wonderful, and the neon-coloured world through which the black-clad Qohen stalks practically bursts at the seams with detail and imagination.

The Zero Theorem is emphatically not a film that will appeal to everyone. There are those who will find themselves incredibly annoyed by its philosophical navel-gazing, and others who might find Qohen's entire journey pointless and irredeemably self-involved. But, when it comes down to it, it's hard to deny the weird, wacky power of Gilliam's movie. The Zero Theorem so bravely grapples with big ideas and complicated metaphors that it's hard not to admire the director's great courage and even greater ambition.

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Trivia (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/trivia/?ref_=tt_trv_trv) In order to select the locations, Terry Gilliam (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000416/) used Google Earth: "I'd got most of the locations sorted out by using Google Earth before I first went to Romania. This is how we do location scouting these days



Goofs (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/goofs?tab=gf&ref_=tt_trv_gf)When Qohen is sitting at his computer naked, he is wearing flesh colored underwear



Quotes (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu)Qohen Leth (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0910607/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): Nothing adds up.
Joby (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000667/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): No. You've got it backwards, Qohen. Everything adds up to nothing, that's the point.
Qohen Leth (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0910607/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): What's the point?
Joby (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000667/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): Exactly. What's the point of anything



Crazy credits (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/crazycredits?tab=cz&ref_=tt_trv_cc)In memory of the great Richard D. Zanuck who kept the ball rolling



Connections (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2333804/movieconnections/?ref_=tt_trv_cnn) Featured in Film '72: Episode dated 5 March 201 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3578996/?ref_=tt_trv_cnn)

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Thanks for super elaborating on that. :thumbsup:

[Ernie Nemeth]

The Big Bang Theory, like its name might suggest, caused a great splash upon its entry into the world of ideas. It immediately drew supporters who intuited the beauty and symmetry of the theory. It tied many loose ends together and unified the ungodly under a new banner. Finally god had been done away with, the universe ended as it began - and might just begin again! The entire universe was nothing more than froth in some backwater eddy of the multiverse, forever spewing forth realities, while simultaneously reabsorbing others.

The True Reality had been found. Godel's Incompleteness Theory, like the Big Bang Theory, replaces concept with context by a clever reassignment of terms. In the big bang theory, the unimaginable vastness of the universe is condensed by slight-of-hand into a mere cone of probability - easily grasped as but a diaphragm currently in the expansion phase, but still reducible to a bubble of inconsequential size and limit. In Godel's world of incompleteness, the edges, the frontiers, of knowledge itself are limited, thereby reducing the universe to inconsequence by reason of koanic illogic. The emergence of paradox, or the conclusion in paradox, renders the entire universe moot.

But what of a world that responds to thought, that creates by will, that acts in harmony, that is guided by love, and only knows what is true? How would a paradox exist in such a world? How can we exist there?

We have gone astray. Our philosophies point to it, our science proves it, our religions illustrate it, and sadly our attitudes highlight it. Our thoughts are not in concert with reality and the resulting cacophony of unrelated and irreconcilable half truths that populate our minds has become chaotic and nonsensical.

It is not mathematics that is flawed. It is our society, our future trajectory, and our minds that have been derailed by unseen and detrimental forces. The world is a far stranger place than even the most outlandish ideas in the mind of man. We have no true idea...

[ExomatrixTV]

The Simplest Math Problem No One Can Solve:

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6,926,850+ views in 5 days



So this is one of the questions we can ask Aliens to prove they are really Aliens :idea: ... if they can solve it within seconds!

cheers,
John

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks for the 3x+1 video. I actually managed to follow most of that. I'm good at general arithmetic and passed A-level maths, but I'm too right-brained to grasp the higher complexities of mathematics, which is damn shame because I find it (conceptually) fascinating.

In a nutshell me at school:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Thanks for the 3x+1 video. I actually managed to follow most of that. I'm good at general arithmetic and passed A-level maths, but I'm too right-brained to grasp the higher complexities of mathematics, which is damn shame because I find it (conceptually) fascinating.

In a nutshell me at school:

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What I love the most about "Unsolved Mysterious Complex Math Videos" is how they make visual representations using almost art-like features just like what you can see in 100s of "Mandelbrot Set (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set) Fractals" videos! Fractal Geometry are also used to make Games looking "more real" more natural to us.

I wonder how visuals look like if they Tweak (https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1292202/tweaking-formulas-to-increase-scoring) the "3x+1 (even-uneven)" formula like doing the "divide by 2" only on Prime Numbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number) or Golden Ratio Numbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio) or Fibonacci numbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number)

cheers,
John