View Full Version : The Biden Admin is spying on us... is that ok?
mojo
29th June 2021, 17:13
It's probably no surprise to you about being spied on but Tucker Carlson shared last night a nightmare story about being spied on. He said a whistleblower alerted him to the spying on all his communications in an effort to leak that info to take down TUCKERs show.
Its Dans opening discussion in the video...
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Bongino also explains why it is important to stay on the subject of the gov spying on its citizens. How FISA was abused many times and the slow drip of info leads people to forget the stories importance.
Ernie Nemeth
29th June 2021, 22:33
I remember a president way back when that was impeached for that very reason but on a much smaller scale and had to leave office...
Satori
29th June 2021, 23:30
I remember a president way back when that was impeached for that very reason but on a much smaller scale and had to leave office...
I think that had something to do with water and a gate.
Forgive me, but he was not impeached. He was convinced to resign to avoid probable impeachment. And, to allow the powers-that-be the opportunity to fix and control the outcomes.
mojo
30th June 2021, 03:06
Tonight's Tucker Carlson show goes a little deeper into the spying. Please start at 19:20 in the video below.... Fox videos dont stay up long on youtube though so watching sooner is recommended.
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Bubu
30th June 2021, 12:04
yes its ok. Its been ok with previous presidents. Why should it be any different with Biden?
I just realized that there is another important agenda that goes with covid. They are training people to be compliant with the ultra absurd.
Questions here also seems to be becoming more absurd.
mojo
30th June 2021, 16:31
Opening story on the spying case by Bongino... hear NSA's weak statement about it...
"The biggest fear is big gov..."
https://rumble.com/vj9863-ep.-1553-the-tucker-carlson-spying-story-gets-weirder-the-dan-bongino-show.html
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More from Tucker... "They spied on us..." start at 23 min in...
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yes its ok. Its been ok with previous presidents. Why should it be any different with Biden?
I just realized that there is another important agenda that goes with covid. They are training people to be compliant with the ultra absurd.
Questions here also seems to be becoming more absurd.
it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT OK!
and ACCEPTING it?
TOLERATING it?
IS NOT OK EITHER
THAT is HOW we are IN THIS situation in the first place!
and what is NOT just "absurd" but moving into destructive?
(NOT "helping" here)
is criticizing a QUESTION that not only DESERVES to be ASKED?
but SHOULD HAVE BEEN RAISED AND "ANSWERS" DEMANDED LONG AGO!
46918
Questioning is the FIRST step towards "change"
and this NEEDS to CHANGE
RunningDeer
1st July 2021, 10:12
Fox videos dont stay up long on youtube though so watching sooner is recommended.
mojo, I’ll add this even though it may be a repeat of some of your other videos. It comes directly from Fox News (https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos), so it won’t be taken down. The same applies for Fox Business (https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos). They're reliable Youtube channels.
Tucker calls for probe into NSA spying on him (8 min)
Tucker Carlson discusses latest developments with journalist Glenn Greenwald on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight
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yes its ok. Its been ok with previous presidents. Why should it be any different with Biden?
I just realized that there is another important agenda that goes with covid. They are training people to be compliant with the ultra absurd.
Questions here also seems to be becoming more absurd.
Very observant Bubu. There seems to be a goal of pushing cognitive dissonance to the extreme. We all experience a degree of cognitive dissonance but there seems to be a sort of gaslighting and ridicule in the push of this extreme absurdity. And the weird thing is that most people are choosing not to deal with it or even see it no matter how obvious.
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it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT OK!
and ACCEPTING it?
TOLERATING it?
IS NOT OK EITHER
THAT is HOW we are IN THIS situation in the first place!
and what is NOT just "absurd" but moving into destructive?
(NOT "helping" here)
is criticizing a QUESTION that not only DESERVES to be ASKED?
but SHOULD HAVE BEEN RAISED AND "ANSWERS" DEMANDED LONG AGO!
Thank you iota for that excellent response and thanks RunningDeer, I did remember you mention fox business and fox news for sources. I will check there more often next time but a few times they didnt have the specific subject.
RunningDeer
1st July 2021, 15:15
Thank you iota for that excellent response and thanks RunningDeer, I did remember you mention fox business and fox news for sources. I will check there more often next time but a few times they didnt have the specific subject.
The Dan Bongino Show Clips (https://www.youtube.com/c/DanBonginoShowClips/videos) is another time saver. The producer cuts out all the ads and most of the redundancy. Here’s the most recent clip:
Who Do You Believe - Tucker Or NSA? (13 min)
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It's great that some GOP are raising the alarm...
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Bonginos alert to a comment by Sebastian Gorka about a group in the NSA called TAO ... 7 minutes in
https://rumble.com/vjas2j-ep.-1554-a-massive-election-controversy-is-brewing-the-dan-bongino-show.html
Gracy
1st July 2021, 19:05
Well, we already knew the NSA was collecting mega data on everyone in America, and it's there to pull up whenever they choose. Those of us who care have long learned that there's nothing we can do about it, regardless of who's president because they choose to turn the proverbial blind eye, but of course the problem becomes more acute if/when we learn of it being targeted against an individual, especially if it's being used against someone we like.
My question here is, what evidence does Tucker have that this did indeed happen to him, beyond that some of his emails and texts got loose, that can happen as easily as someone in one of those chains leaking them. Happens all the time, does he have anything else?
Im just sayin...
Hello Gracy May, I disagree with the assumption that there is nothing we can do about it. We can choose to use our power and vote for one thing, but also to be the watchman on the wall against tyranny no matter what form. And many people myself included say regardless of who's president, spying on citizens of the opposition party or whoever is wrong. I do think there is a problem as you mention when we use our bias only when it's not our interest, therefore spying is wrong and should not be partisan. The links in this post IMO provide enough evidence especially if watching Tuckers show and he explains. He had a conversation that could not have been known by his whistleblower that told him they were spying and of course the couch response from the NSA only support it. Dan Bongino explains this well in the last link I provided.
Gracy
1st July 2021, 22:31
Well, I'm really starting to see terms like "whistleblower" bandied about more and more loosely as time goes on mojo. Unless I'm mistaken, whistleblowers are supposed to come forward with something the people can sink their teeth into, Edward Snowden being an excellent example of that; otherwise, all we're really talking about is something more akin to the "trusted source", which doesn't do a lot for me with all the gamesmanship and money making going on out there with people looking to make a name for themselves and line their pockets.
I heard Tucker's reasoning that it couldn't have been anyone else but the NSA (and I'm by no means defending the NSA here!), but if I need to watch another highly partisan Dan Bongino video to explain that further, then it's just telling me there's not a whole lot of there, there. It's like saying just go watch this X22 video, maybe it's just me, but I need more than that.
If Tucker's "whistleblower" can come up with some direct evidence, I'm all ears. :nod:
Otherwise, so far as I'm concerned it certainly could be something along the lines of one of Tucker's contacts breaking confidentiality. That is a distinct possibility needing to be discounted before moving on up the ladder, if we're to be looking at this like a police detective IMO.
The old saying is follow the evidence, not follow the narrative.
Wouldn't you like to see some evidence as well?
yes its ok. Its been ok with previous presidents. Why should it be any different with Biden?
I just realized that there is another important agenda that goes with covid. They are training people to be compliant with the ultra absurd.
Questions here also seems to be becoming more absurd.
it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT OK!
and ACCEPTING it?
TOLERATING it?
IS NOT OK EITHER
THAT is HOW we are IN THIS situation in the first place!
and what is NOT just "absurd" but moving into destructive?
(NOT "helping" here)
is criticizing a QUESTION that not only DESERVES to be ASKED?
but SHOULD HAVE BEEN RAISED AND "ANSWERS" DEMANDED LONG AGO!
46918
Questioning is the FIRST step towards "change"
and this NEEDS to CHANGE
of course its absolutely not ok that is why its absolutely absurd to ask "is that ok"?
yes its ok. Its been ok with previous presidents. Why should it be any different with Biden?
I just realized that there is another important agenda that goes with covid. They are training people to be compliant with the ultra absurd.
Questions here also seems to be becoming more absurd.
Very observant Bubu. There seems to be a goal of pushing cognitive dissonance to the extreme. We all experience a degree of cognitive dissonance but there seems to be a sort of gaslighting and ridicule in the push of this extreme absurdity. And the weird thing is that most people are choosing not to deal with it or even see it no matter how obvious.
A number of times I've been force to comply with the absurds. especially if I have to go to malls for some important things. You're correct about the cognitive dissonance and I certainly dont want to come to a point were I have to question my sanity. Its as if every time I comply, my objection to the absurdities seem to melt a little each time. So I decide to call the absurd as it is. Otherwise we will all be force to comply with it. It takes courage to do so especially when everyone around is complying. But I feel that I have nothing to lose. I already lose everything if things does not go to the right direction.
Today Dan defines a new term, "Traffic shaping," and also more about Tucker & the Bombshell that Sebastian Gorka dropped...
Its the opening story...
https://rumble.com/vjc6x3-ep.-1555-is-this-how-the-nsa-is-spying-on-tucker-carlson-the-dan-bongino-sh.html
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Well, we already knew the NSA was collecting mega data on everyone in America, and it's there to pull up whenever they choose.
Those of us who care have long learned that there's nothing we can do about it,.(note: color and bold MY emphasis )
as Bubu has aptly pointed out, there is a cognitive dissonance being MASSIVELY programmed to make us feel POWERLESS such as "DOUBLE SPEAK"
you say > "those of us"
there is an "issue" in your use of the word "US"
"US" would imply a UNITY i of SAME MINDEDNESS, AGREEMENT
i have NEVER seen in a SINGLE post of yours
what i HAVE seen is:
"i don't agree"
"i don't think _____"
"i don't understand"
to EVERY single topic that matters
"US" implies that WE are on the SAME side
i have YET to see THAT be the case
i would assert your use of the word "US" is not just inappropriate? > but INACCURATE
as you agree with NOTHING ... EVER ...
you are instead CONSISTENT in your criticism of EVERY conspiracy theory we propose here ...
i TRULY wonder WHY are you in a conspiracy forum? and WHAT you are doing here?
when you don't AGREE or BELIEVE ANY OF THEM?
and ACTIVELY oppose. minimize, ridicule and are CRITICAL of ALL of them!
(well .. i guess THAT answers the WHAT you are doing here)
2.) and DOUBLE SPEAK CONTINUES
as you join TWO CONCEPTS that are INTRINSICALLY and DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED
"CARING" and >> "DOING NOTHING"
just FYI
"DOING NOTHING" is WHAT those who do NOT "Care"? >> DO
BECAUSE it does NOT MATTER to them
it is FINE with them > they CONSENT
"CARING" means it MATTERS
we DO something ABOUT what "matters"
we DO NOT CONSENT
and since most humans are not yet psychic?
WE COMMUNICATE this
TO THE DEGREE THAT IT MATTERS
AND AS MANY TIMES as is NECESSARY
we do NOT STOP, in fact, UNTIL WE ACHIEVE the results we WANT
BECAUSE WE CARE
the ONLY people that "DO NOTHING"? are those in a state of SUBJUGATION
either literally or figuratively
BECAUSE they feel POWERLESS to affect the WORLD around them
which is a conditioned state they WANT us to feel and exert GREAT effort to promote
which you JUST DID
as you DIRECTLY ~ DIRECTED us towards, not just implied
AND which you HAVE done REPEATEDLY in the past
you should know that my son, Joshua? did NOT feel "powerless" at the age of EIGHT
(great story, read here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112845-2020-Presidential-Election--and-its-Aftermath&p=1418918&viewfull=1#post1418918))
and began at THAT time to take ACTION to CHANGE the conditions of the world he lived in
as a MODERATOR of a CONSPIRACY Forum whose FUNCTION IS to SUPPORT the members?
please know, i do NOT FEEL "supported"
nor have i EVER seen you "support" or BE "supportive" about ANY "Conspiracy"
not even one and ALWAYS communicate in a way to place doubt, or use derision and ridicule not just the concepts but usually the member posting ...it has been BLATANT disrespectful and offensive ...
how is THAT supposed to inspire nor merit respect in return?
and in fact, i find it HIGHLY offensive, that you DIRECT me
to feel less powerful than my son at EIGHT YEARS of age
just sayin ....
on another thread, i wrote this out which applies succinctly here:
post
(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113646-Gigi-Young-Talks&p=1436807#post1436807)
(What we are DIRECTLY FACING are ... )
two sides > VERY opposed in both methodology and message
one will be .. you are weak ~ POWERLESS .. depend on others (gov) (give your power and energy away to others)
do NOTHING .. except place ALL hope on an EXTERNAL force
the second will lead WITHIN (FULL EMPOWERMENT)
wean away from ANY and ALL dependence on EXTERNAL forces (to DO what WE want done)
speak with TRUTH in ALL things
even when inconvenient or in the face of opposition
the first asks this of us ALWAYS > BETRAY YOURSELF
>> ACCEPT what they DO to you, GIVE IN > "there is NOTHING you can DO" <<
the other says > NEVER DO THAT
>> FIGHT! you ARE POWERFUL! SPEAK UP! CHANGE THINGS! <<
once you listen long enough its easy to see the direction and intent in anyone's message
and let's not forget AWAY from power says:
"oh ... and DO NOTHING .. wait for someone else .. they're coming .,.. really soon ... just around the corner ...
YOU are NOT personally response-ABLE .. heavens no .. .leave that to someone else!"
:facepalm:
(those that push THAT agenda? are NOT our "allies"
they ARE in opposition NOT "Allied")
we MUST learn to "identify" WHAT direction we are being DIRECTED towards
A number of times I've been force to comply with the absurds. especially if I have to go to malls for some important things. You're correct about the cognitive dissonance and I certainly dont want to come to a point were I have to question my sanity. Its as if every time I comply, my objection to the absurdities seem to melt a little each time. So I decide to call the absurd as it is. Otherwise we will all be force to comply with it. It takes courage to do so especially when everyone around is complying. But I feel that I have nothing to lose. I already lose everything if things does not go to the right direction.
oh Bubu!! THAT is exactly right! and WHAT they want. it is a mass psyops that is traumatizing EVERYONE on a planetary level!!
the trauma comes in NOT JUST at the fact that they are hell bent on world domination and control of EVERY aspect of our lives, nothing short of:
SLAVERY ~ COMPLINACE ~ OBEDIENCE ~ ACQUIESCENCE
it ALSO comes in the FORCE of it
Anytime there are “impositions” … “Infringements” upon our Will? Sadness ~ Frustration ~ Hopelessness is completely understandable. 💓
ACIM ~ A Course in Miracles (paraphrasing here) says that:
When our actions are out of accord with our Will? The part of us that is denied expression is “outraged” (outraged is a direct quote. The EXACT word used)
Oct 2019
(want to hear something funny? i just went to duckduckgo because i was going to attempt to quote EXACTLY instead of paraphrasing from memory and as i searched "ACIM" and "that is denied is outraged'? it was a previous writing of MINE that came up as the first listing! so i just quoted ME! lol!)
we can't let them WIN Bubu!!
in fact, i think what i wrote then applies directly here! with your permission, i will repost here now:
When our actions are out of accord with our Will? The part of us that is denied expression is “outraged”
As well it SHOULD be!
We didn’t come here to “sacrifice”
Nor to be ineffectual
Nor powerless
In fact,
“A Son of God (Source) CANNOT think
Or Speak
Or Act in Vain”
SO
EVEN the choice to:
Accept
Or tolerate
Or “Do nothing”
IS A CHOICE
And a powerful one at that! And one NOT without consequences
WHEN something happens? > it was SPECIFICALLY for OUR response!!
it is SPECIFICALLY to determine HOW we WILL respond! > Or CHOOSE
When we lay down passively? THAT is NOT, Nor has EVER been, Nor could or should be
THEIR “responsibility”
we've ALL heart that TPTW think by “disclosing things in advance they escape karma
this is BECAUSE “They” (whoever) are ONLY responsible for what THEY do (The choices THEY make)
WE response-ABLE for OUR response, (or LACK of response)
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If we “allow” it?
By silent consent, Or to avoid the discomfort of opening our mouths to speak, Or the fear they continuously program into us? Or ANY number of reasons(Many perfectly valid)
THAT was STILL a CHOICE we made
The question to ask is:
Was it a choice that made us powerless? Or powerful?
(In TRUTH, we can NEVER actually BE “Powerless” …. But if our actions –
OR “lack thereof” are repeatedly:
Continuously
Habitually
DISempowering ones?
We will have a heck of a time FEELING Powerful, right?)
there is an insidious conditioning prevailing to convince us we are powerless, we must recognize it to DENY it
Love, Contrary to popular “BE-LIE-F”, is NOT POWERLESS
(nor synonymous with “Nice” nor “Sweet”)
It IS, in fact, THE MOST POWERFUL force in Creation
And it TAKES Power to shed “light” on “darkness” does it not? To eradicate “evil” (Evil IS lack of light)
If left alone? > Well … HOW was it dissipated exactly?
we have a RIGHT to assert our power and DENY THEIRS
We came to MASTER this
MASTER
NOT
to BE “Mastered”
EACH “act” in this “play”? > Is an “opportunity” TO MASTER
we CAN, of course, take as long as we want TO “Master”. i think it wise to consider the COST of the delay
the failure to ASSERT our Rights has almost cost us our FREEDOM
the delay, only makes them stronger
Eventually we’ll look up, See “infringements” headed our way
(even “little” ones like people who like to “manage” us)
And without even blinking
BEFORE they fully approach say:
“NO”
“DENIED”
“Na na na .. Um…Nope!”
and without blinking go back to reading or whatever withOUT getting flustered or breaking a sweat
THEY came to “do”
WHAT “they” came to do
SO did WE
~iota
here (https://schrodingersothercat.blog/2019/10/26/a-gentle-pause/)
take heart Bubu!! we CAN do this!! and i believe with ALL of my heart ~ that WE WILL!
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Personally dont like to see division in my own posts thats why I avoided bubus message when he essentially called my thinking as absurd and why I mostly stay out of threads that will lead me to opposition pov right away.
Hoping something constructive can be gleaned from iotas post above, and never posts speaking for personal attack. I dont think it was meant to offend and hope Gracy May does not see it that way. I'm sure she would admit to having a bias but in an Admin position your pov is more respected or from a position of authority, I hope that makes sense other members might understand that. I personally couldnt do her position because of my own bias. Iota you speak with boldness, Ill say that much.
A number of times I've been force to comply with the absurds. especially if I have to go to malls for some important things. You're correct about the cognitive dissonance and I certainly dont want to come to a point were I have to question my sanity. Its as if every time I comply, my objection to the absurdities seem to melt a little each time. So I decide to call the absurd as it is. Otherwise we will all be force to comply with it. It takes courage to do so especially when everyone around is complying. But I feel that I have nothing to lose. I already lose everything if things does not go to the right direction.
PS .. and sorry didn't want to make it be so long .. ;)
but just wanted to put out some things to consider and might help! Although we are under TREMENDOUS pressure to FEEL powerless
we are NOT
HOW WE FEEL? is a direct response to the THOUGHTS we CHOOSE to entertain
(one reason you will see me be vigilant over the direction of thoughts introduced)
so .. one practical action i took to "handle" those situations was very simple, THEY do?
I RESPOND
so .. little clerk guy just doing his job? ... ok .. AS i put it on? i start to talk:
"sweetie, so here's the thing, OUTSIDE of work?
when they TELL you to "jump"? ... the CORRECT answer is NOT > "How HIGH?" ok!!
PROMISE ME you will NOT say that!!!
and i'm little and cute and stay looking at them straight into their eyes AS They SMILE BIG and say "i promise"
THEN i tell them ..
"as for the mask? you have to remember FIFTH grade science class!"
"FIFTH GRADE! > NOT JUNIOR HIGH > NOT HIGH SCHOOL > FIFTH GRADE!"
and they're looking at me ... so i go on to remind them
"REMEMBER? its GOOD to breathe in OXYGEN!! .. BAAAAD to breathe in CARBON DIOXIDE!" and they see i'm teasing them and ALWAYS laugh WITH ME!
THEN? because i was just INFRINGED upon? i WRITE and CALL the management, the CORPS, i seek out a manager and EXPLAIN things to them
its a karmic thing .. and also im VERY aware that I AM COMPLETELY response-able for MY RESPONSE to what is brought into my awareness
the truth is NONE of us get a "pass" on this
(point was .. there is ALWAYS a little "something" we can do to PUSH back on them)
we CAN call, we can write .. etc whether you choose to do any of these things or whatever resonates better with you? i just wanted to encourage you .. PLEASE do not "let them win"
don't let them make you feel either defeated or powerless
and if you do? its ok .. they're just feelings .. feelings are NOT an accurate measure of reality anyway
a few different thoughts? and you WILL have some "different feelings"
it happens .. to ALL of us!
:highfive:
Gracy
3rd July 2021, 02:11
nor have i EVER seen you "support" or BE "supportive" about ANY "Conspiracy"
There are conspiracy theorists, and there are conspiracy analysts, never the two should be confused for one another. Theorists run with every hot topic of the day; analysts poke, prod, and question each individual case to see if they hold water first.
Like we expect our journalists to...
The track records left in the wake of each boat, are more than enough for the astute observer to easily tell the difference in accuracy between the two over time.
@ mojo
just read your post .. thank you for your thoughtfulness .. no, my intention is NEVER to offend ... and it has to be noted that i am not the one responsible for the facts being what they are ... nor can it ever be asked of me to call yellow blue .. :Angel:
my intention has ALWAYS been and will ALWAYS be to be of service
sometimes it is to bring to light and awareness that which might be hidden from sight AND i HAVE to speak truth .. i get really hit a bit "hard" if i don't or am silent when i'm "supposed to" speak its also something similar to what Bubu expressed .. (if i SEE something? i can't pretend or "go along" ... not only would it be completely inauthentic on MY part? it would probably give me acute anxiety to even try to)
often, i function as a "catalyst" and it seems i get "sent" to situations that have been ongoing for a long period of time, and people are aware of to whatever degree but mostly UNwilling to really face and acknowledge the truth of it, so without someone like me showing up? it is highly unlikely it would ever get addressed much less end
i do ALL i can to empower people and confront the different onslaught of attack directed their way .. however subtly it appears .. my years of experience have taught me to tell the difference in a bad mood to not an accident but methodical, ongoing and subversive
i'm kinda little so i have to dig my feet in so i won't get completely trampled by the whirlwind that usually erupt .. but in the end? ... people usually then pat me on the back and say .. thanks so much!! .. we KNEW that was happening but didn't want to deal with it... and i smile as best i can at that point and go lay down ... for a month or so ... to recuperate ;)
we're pretty much at crunch time right now and we are being SYSTEMATICALLY and methodically CONDITIONED, programmed, "groomed" to SILENTLY accept and acquiesce .. not good :(
now for a moment?
just consider ...
if the world operated like this?
do you think that the proposed enslavement of OUR PLANET would have stood a chance?
i think we all know the answer to this question
again, just something to consider ...
:Angel:
nor have i EVER seen you "support" or BE "supportive" about ANY "Conspiracy"
There are conspiracy theorists, and there are conspiracy analysts, never the two should be confused for one another. Theorists run with every hot topic of the day; analysts poke, prod, and question each individual case to see if they hold water first.
Like we expect our journalists to...
The track records left in the wake of each boat, are more than enough for the astute observer to easily tell the difference in accuracy between the two over time.
then its JUST THIS forum that is a DISMAL failure? (in YOUR estimation)
and EVERY member who is just INEPT?
because YOUR TRACK RECORD of shooting EVERYTHING down?
demonstrates not JUST a RECOGNIZABLE PATTERN but a PREDICTABLE one
have you told Bill yet?
that according to YOU?
EVERYTHING discussed here is preposterous?
and EVERYONE here is incompetent?
and THAT is WHY you used to feel COMPLETELY free to ridicule, demean not just the subjects but the members?
i see members being polite, respectful, conceding you points ALL the time, OFTEN in spite of your dismissiveness, taunts and outright mocking
in spite of this? we seem to have NO merit in ANY or our points
YOUR TRACK record > CONSISTENT > EVERY TIME
so you are asserting that you DO support some conspiracy theories?
JUST NONE of OURS
and NONE of our sources and research passes YOUR muster?
and you operate under some compulsion that COMPELS you to tell us HOW preposterous and WRONG we are? ~ EVERY TIME often in a disparaging manner
got it!
thanks for clearing that up!
:flower:
but PS THIS exact response is the SAME one you use CONTINUOUSLY i actually DO pay attention ...
now that we've discussed the merits of the question and the impact these affronts on our freedom are having on every day life and what will move the conversation forward and not backwards we can return to the basic subject itself
and it looks like the issue "passed the muster" for a Congressman who IS taking it seriously and feels this is a worthwhile endeavor to question and investigate ..
https://i0.wp.com/www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/tucker-carlson-student-action-summit.jpg
McCarthy Asks Devin Nunes to Investigate Claim of NSA Spying against Tucker Carlson
By ZACHARY EVANS
"Tucker Carlson at the 2018 Student Action Summit (Gage Skidmore)
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) has asked Representative Devin Nunes (R., Calif.) to investigate Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s claim that the National Security Agency spied on him.
McCarthy cited other examples of what he termed a “disturbing trend” at the NSA that led him to call for an investigation.
McCarthy noted the “sidelining” of Michael Ellis, appointed by former President Trump as NSA general counsel before resigning in April. Ellis was placed on administrative leave the day he was set to take office, and remained so “for nearly three months without any explanation or updates,” Ellis said when announcing his resignation.
McCarthy also alleged that the NSA “has refused to deliver information requested by the Republican Members on the House Intelligence Committee who are trying to fulfill their oversight responsibilities.
Tucker Carlson at the 2018 Student Action Summit (Gage Skidmore)
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) has asked Representative Devin Nunes (R., Calif.) to investigate Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s claim that the National Security Agency spied on him.
McCarthy cited other examples of what he termed a “disturbing trend” at the NSA that led him to call for an investigation.
McCarthy noted the “sidelining” of Michael Ellis, appointed by former President Trump as NSA general counsel before resigning in April. Ellis was placed on administrative leave the day he was set to take office, and remained so “for nearly three months without any explanation or updates,” Ellis said when announcing his resignation.
McCarthy also alleged that the NSA “has refused to deliver information requested by the Republican Members on the House Intelligence Committee who are trying to fulfill their oversight responsibilities.”
“Now, there is a public report that NSA read the emails of Fox News host Tucker Carlson,” McCarthy said. “Although NSA publicly denied targeting Carlson, I have serious questions regarding this matter that must be answered.”
McCarthy requested that Nunes, the ranking Republican on the Intelligence Committee, investigate the incidents. Ellis served as Nunes’s general counsel before joining the Trump administration in 2017.
During his show on Monday night, Carlson claimed that a government whistleblower told his team that the NSA was “spying” on their personal communications and “planning to leak them in an attempt to take this show off the air.” Carlson did not offer evidence for the claim.
“On June 28, 2021, Tucker Carlson alleged the National Security Agency has been ‘monitoring our electronic communications and is planning to leak them in an attempt to take this show off the air.’ This allegation is untrue,” the agency said in a statement on Tuesday. “Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target of the Agency and the NSA has never had any plans to try to take his program off the air.”
full article WITH option to listen here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...ucker-carlson/
bottom line
if we do NOT take action to STOP them
they will not
when just a few arise to STOP them
it WILL end
but NOT a second earlier
and not out of THEIR own good will
so it HAS to be done
by us, in fact
the very people that are impacted
because its not very hard to defeat us if we don't even try
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take heart Bubu!! we CAN do this!! and i believe with ALL of my heart ~ that WE WILL!
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Yes thanks, the scenario is, we're being push against the wall. I mean fight or die. Yes I think we are winning on the other hand whenever I pass by the vaccination place which is not hundred meters from home. My heart sinks knowing that those people will soon suffer the consequences.
It would be nice to continue on with the subject of this thread. The Kamala enemy list she created to track political enemies, is crazy, it's like Lois Lerner and the IRS weaponization to conservatives all over again. Now if Kamala or whomever is in power may want to use information captured by the NSA which is what Tucker Carlson was saying and Sebastian Gorka confirms things and mentions another way they are spying through Traffic Shaping we should be very concerned.
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https://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2021/75/fbc51482-464a-44a8-97af-46565a788d65.jpg
White House Won't Get Specific About Allegations NSA Is Spying on Tucker Carlson
Townhall reports:
During a gaggle with reporters aboard Air Force One Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki was asked about allegations the National Security Agency is spying on Fox News host Tucker Carlson.
"Tucker Carlson said that the NSA is spying on him. Is the administration aware of any espionage or listening efforts on U.S. citizens by the NSA, and is Tucker Carlson one of them?" a reporter asked.
"Well, the NSA, as I think you’re well aware, I’m not sure everyone is aware, everyone on this plane is aware, I should say, is an entity that focuses on foreign threats and individuals who are trying, attempting to do us harm on foreign soil. So, that is their purview. But beyond that, I would point you to the intelligence community," Psaki said.
During his show Monday night, Carlson said a whistleblower told him the agency was monitoring his communications.
While the legacy media is blowing off the possibility, NSA skeptics aren't ruling it out.
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1409921274210623495
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1409700179385622529
https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1409697398356512769
article here:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/06/29/white-house-wont-get-specific-about-allegations-nsa-is-spying-on-tucker-carlson-n2591756
OMG!!!
if there EVER was proof that ONE person CAN make a difference? AND get the ball rolling on change?
THIS IS IT
SO many KNEW .. but were SILENT
ONE man? decided to SPEAK UP ... and now look:
https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck/status/1409695089790648322
"In early 2006, EFF obtained whistleblower evidence (.pdf) from former AT&T technician Mark Klein showing that AT&T is cooperating with the illegal surveillance. The undisputed documents show that AT&T installed a fiberoptic splitter at its facility at 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco that makes copies of all emails web browsing and other Internet traffic to and from AT&T customers and provides those copies to the NSA. This copying includes both domestic and international Internet activities of AT&T customers. As one expert observed, “this isn’t a wiretap, it’s a country-tap.”
here is the pdf:
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was unable to embed the pdf, but i loaded the attachment above from personal records so should be available to be read, it is also available for download at link below:
this site is a wealth of info on the topic:
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying
its just really encouraging that
ONE man
ONE voice
ONE spotlight shinning VERY brightly on what had been SO comfortable in the dark
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Tuckers Transcript
Last week, we told you that the Biden administration's largest intelligence-gathering agency, the NSA, had been reading my private emails. Even noting that out loud is weird. It's one of those segments we never thought we would do ever.
But the country has changed that much that fast. And honestly, the whole thing was kind of shocking. The government was spying on us? Come on. It seemed crazy, but it's true. And no one in Washington appeared to be shocked in the slightest. In fact, the usual shills right after our segment had a ready explanation for it.
Either it never happened at all, they said, just a cable news show lying for ratings, or there must have been a good reason it happened. And they begin furiously making excuses for the NSA. A powerful, heavily politicized spy agency surveilling journalists who've been critical of the regime? No problem. It's perfectly normal. Just don't call it spying.
But it's not normal - at all. It is Third World, and as we told you repeatedly, it did happen. Now, that has been confirmed. Yesterday, we learned that sources in the so-called intelligence community told at least one reporter in Washington what was in those emails. My emails. It was nothing scandalous in there. Thank God. We're happy to report that.
Late this spring, I contacted a couple of people I thought could help get us an interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin. I told nobody I was doing this other than my executive producer, Justin Wells. I wasn't embarrassed about trying to interview Putin. He's obviously newsworthy. I'm an American citizen. I can interview anyone I want and I plan to.
But still, in this case, I decided to keep it quiet. I figured that any kind of publicity would rattle the Russians and make the interview less likely to happen. But the Biden administration found out anyway, by reading my emails. I learned from a whistleblower at the NSA plan to leak the contents of those emails to media outlets. Why would they do that? Well, the point, of course, was to paint me as a disloyal American. A Russian operative. Been called that before. A stooge of the Kremlin, a traitor doing the bidding of a foreign adversary.
And of course, I'm hardly the only person who's been accused of those things in the last several years. We've seen this movie several times now. At the same moment, the Communist Chinese government increases its already stunning level of control over this country, our leaders prattle on about the threat of Vladimir Putin. He's an evildoer, they tell us. A totalitarian dictator.
Vladimir Putin does things that no American leader would even consider. He runs domestic disinformation campaigns. He lies to the public. He punishes people for opposing him, or for believing the wrong things. He even uses intelligence agencies to spy on his own citizens. Beyond the pale stuff. So no decent American would interview Vladimir Putin, at least no reporter from Fox News. That was the point they wanted to make. That's why they plan to leak the contents of my emails to news organizations. And yesterday, as noted, we learned they actually did it.
Even now, some of the media are claiming that we deserve this. Emailing with people who know Putin, are you? Of course, the NSA is watching you. That's what you get. But that's hardly the point. By law, the NSA is required to keep secret the identities of American citizens who've been caught up in its vast domestic spying operations. So by law, I should have been identified internally merely as a US journalist or American journalist. That's the law.
But that's not how I was identified. It was identified by name. I was unmasked. People in the building learned who I was and then my name and the contents of my emails left that building at the NSA and wound up with a news organization in Washington. That is illegal. In fact, it is precisely what this law was designed to prevent in the first place. We cannot have intelligence agencies used as instruments of political control.
Both parties used to agree on that. Democrats were especially adamant on the point, but not anymore. So that's exactly what is happening here. We need to find out how this happened, who did it, who allowed it?
Paul Nakasone would know the answer. Paul Nakasone is the highly political director of the NSA. Paul Nakasone would have been required personally to approve my unmasking. That's how it works. Paul Nakasone should explain who asked for that unmasking and he should do it immediately.
Avril Haines would also likely know the answer. Haines is the even more political director of National Intelligence who oversees all of it. She may have approved the unmasking as well. She would certainly know who asked for it and who approved it. That's her job to know. She should release that information immediately, tonight. And if Avril Haines does not release that information, she should be forced to release that information.
We don't have a lot of power, we’re just a TV show. But we're going to keep pushing for that because it matters. Not just to us, but to the entire country. You can't have a democracy in a place where unaccountable spy agencies keep people in line by leaking the contents of their emails, discrediting them with their own emails, which they thought were private. It doesn't work if you allow that. And we suspect congressional Republicans will also demand an answer.
Many have finally awakened to the fact that the intelligence agencies, which they have blindly supported for so long, are not, in fact, their friends. They're not the friends of anyone in this country. They're dangerous. That's obvious.
Wow the story goes on with Bongino's opening... It more important now to see how the media and Gov says about it... they dont care about the spying.
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