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Tea
20th January 2011, 00:19
...besides it being full of carbs, sugars and fiber you don't need.
Total Blueberry Pomegranate cereal from General Mills contains no blueberries and no pomegranates
(NaturalNews) A cereal offered by General Mills called "Total Blueberry Pomegranate" cereal has been characterized as a "total fraud" by investigative journalist Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, as part of a non-profit Food Investigations documentary being shown at www.FoodInvestigations.com
Volunteering his research efforts under the non-profit Consumer Wellness Center, the Health Ranger found that Total Blueberry Pomegranate cereal contained neither blueberries nor pomegranates.
http://www.naturalnews.com/031053_General_Mills_Total_cereal.html
U.S. food companies caught faking blueberries with artificial colors and liquid sugars, reveals Health Ranger investigation
(NaturalNews) A Food Investigations mini-documentary released today exposes the "blueberry deception" in name-brand cereals, bagels, breads and bars. As revealed in the investigative video (www.FoodInvestigations.com), big-name food companies that offer blueberry cereals, muffins, pastries and bars have been caught "faking" the blueberries by creating them out of artificial colors, partially-hydrogenated oils and high fructose corn syrup (HFCS).
http://www.naturalnews.com/031054_blueberries_artificial_colors.html
Episode 2 - The Blueberry Deception
Blueberries faked in cereals, muffins, bagels and other food products - Food Investigations
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=7EC06D27B1A945BE85E7DA8483025962
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Pharmaburger anyone?
Pharmaburger - Food Investigations episode 1
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=DE483716CF71BBC79F005FDF473E3511
witchy1
20th January 2011, 00:29
Yew, dispicable sh**s. I read somewhere that instead of cereal you could spinkle some vitamin powder on cardboard and eat that - equally nourishable.
AlkaMyst
20th January 2011, 00:34
Thank you for this great post Tea.....a real eye opener!!!
Franny
20th January 2011, 00:37
Better living thru chemistry.
It's just smart to be aware of "food" additives in prepared stuff; reading the labels can be educational.
I had cooked oatmeal for breakfast with real raw walnuts and pecans that I chopped up and threw in. A little raw honey, cinnamon and raw milk. It got me this far today. Uncooked oats with yogurt, nuts and fruit is pretty good too.
gripreaper
20th January 2011, 00:46
Yew, despicable sh**s. I read somewhere that instead of cereal you could sprinkle some vitamin powder on cardboard and eat that - equally nourishable.
Vitamin powder over cardboard? Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!
9eagle9
20th January 2011, 01:17
The styrofoam packing peanuts from UPS doesn't get soggy in milk the way cardboard does ;)
Steel cut oats like pellets, sticks to you all day. Probably a good thing to have in the emergency larders for that reason.
I'm still being difficult and want my bacon and eggs in the morning, I'll take the grease over the wall paper paste pseudo grain cereal. Commericial Cereal never did anything for me but put me into a carb coma. Some 'start' to the day.
Franny
20th January 2011, 01:41
Yew, despicable sh**s. I read somewhere that instead of cereal you could sprinkle some vitamin powder on cardboard and eat that - equally nourishable.
LOL, it reminds me of years ago seeing a housemate eating cottage cheese dotted with big protein pills for breakfast. Yuck. :)
Tea
20th January 2011, 01:41
The styrofoam packing peanuts from UPS doesn't get soggy in milk the way cardboard does ;)
Steel cut oats like pellets, sticks to you all day. Probably a good thing to have in the emergency larders for that reason.
I'm still being difficult and want my bacon and eggs in the morning, I'll take the grease over the wall paper paste pseudo grain cereal. Commericial Cereal never did anything for me but put me into a carb coma. Some 'start' to the day.
Eggs are one of the best foods going, as long as they are organic free run in my opinion. I eat almost a carton a week to myself and always cook them in quality butter ;). Bacon, I beleive, can be good, but good luck finding bacon not full of chemicals and also made from a well raised pig. For these reasons I don't buy it.
9eagle9
20th January 2011, 01:55
Mine are fresh from the butt organic free run eggs , I eat a lot of eggs myself since I keep several chickens. Not sure if its urban chicken rumor or not but its my understanding that unprocessed eggs don't have the cholesterol issues that processed ones do. Store bought bacon is still suckitudidnous but there are farms around here that provide organically grown, and chem free pork,beef, poultry and lamb. They treat their animals with kindness too which is a plus.
Hummingbird
20th January 2011, 02:20
Depending on what cereal, any name brand general mills cereal for sure stay away from. But there are high quality organic based cereals kashi etc, that do not have harmful ingredients, might not have high nutritional value but nothing harmful. I LOVE the rice drink made by rice dream, i think it taste beter than milk, no filmy residue, and more calcium and it has B12 and other vitamins. These products are more expensive but you can't put a price on your health when eugenics is alive and well.
Organic eggs a must, any animal product for that matter.. Me personally would not eat Pig even the cleanest pigs have parasites that can end up in your brain.. eeww
Dr Edward Group of Global Healing Center some of the best health advice out IMHO
Tea
20th January 2011, 02:22
Mine are fresh from the butt organic free run eggs , I eat a lot of eggs myself since I keep several chickens. Not sure if its urban chicken rumor or not but its my understanding that unprocessed eggs don't have the cholesterol issues that processed ones do. Store bought bacon is still suckitudidnous but there are farms around here that provide organically grown, and chem free pork,beef, poultry and lamb. They treat their animals with kindness too which is a plus.
Looks like you got everything figured out over there. I don't quite have that oportunity where I am at.
I wouldn't worry about the cholesterol issue, it is a complete myth as far as im concerned. Actually, if anything, having low cholesterol is unhealthy. Check out my saturated fats thread over in alternative medicine and science for an alternative view if your interested.
Peace.
Hummingbird
20th January 2011, 02:25
...besides it being full of carbs, sugars and fiber you don't need.
http://www.naturalnews.com/031053_General_Mills_Total_cereal.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/031054_blueberries_artificial_colors.html
Episode 2 - The Blueberry Deception
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=7EC06D27B1A945BE85E7DA8483025962
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Pharmaburger anyone?
Pharmaburger - Food Investigations episode 1
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=DE483716CF71BBC79F005FDF473E3511
anyone ever here the conspiracy stories surrounding Mike Adams, something like an office issued to his name and company in florida ended up being full of guys in suits and lots of computer, like some kind of tracking system, never heard anything else on it but was curious if any of you had?
9eagle9
20th January 2011, 02:34
Not quite figured out. I'd love to raise my own food animals but haven't' figured out how to nuture and care for something, love it, and then kill it and eat it...lol. So even when the opportunity arises you get stymied yet again....
Looks like you got everything figured out over there. I don't quite have that oportunity where I am at.
I wouldn't worry about the cholesterol issue, it is a complete myth as far as im concerned. Actually, if anything, having low cholesterol is unhealthy. Check out my saturated fats thread over in alternative medicine and science for an alternative view if your interested.
Peace.
Hummingbird
20th January 2011, 02:41
I am tired of eating all together, I hope we can reach a state of balance on this planet as a whole and reach a point were we can transcend eating like I have heard on other benevolent planets.
I am an athlete and eat atleast 4 -5 meals a day to get the amount of nutrition to stay in tip top strength, It is difficult especially on limited resources.. Well time to go cook
Tea
20th January 2011, 02:44
Depending on what cereal, any name brand general mills cereal for sure stay away from. But there are high quality organic based cereals kashi etc, that do not have harmful ingredients, might not have high nutritional value but nothing harmful. I LOVE the rice drink made by rice dream, i think it taste beter than milk, no filmy residue, and more calcium and it has B12 and other vitamins. These products are more expensive but you can't put a price on your health when eugenics is alive and well.
Organic eggs a must, any animal product for that matter.. Me personally would not eat Pig even the cleanest pigs have parasites that can end up in your brain.. eeww
Dr Edward Group of Global Healing Center some of the best health advice out IMHO
Well, I must say, that there is no food I know of besides animal products where you can get B12 from (essential vitamin!). Many will think spirulina, but that is not the case. Shell fish are a great souce of B12, and beef liver as well (I can't really do this one :p). Eggs have B12 too. ;)
If there is one nutrient no one needs more of it is calcium. Do a quick search up on magnesium (something most people lack) and I think you will understand.
Milk is a great source of many nutrients as well (organic of course). I will not consume anything but the highest fat content milk, mine is 3.8%MF (whole milk). Skim milk should definitly be avoided. Raw milk is the best if you have that option. Yes, there is the issue of the mutation on the casein protien. This is a problem for A1 cows, which are basically the only type of cows in North America. A2 cows do not have this issue. I still think the benefits of milk out weigh the casein issue, and I believe all the other good stuff I eat will counter it.
I mean no offence, just giving another view.
Update
Forgot to mention that you may want to take a double look at the ingredients on the kashi cereal, it's full of soy and other nasties. I also heard they got bought out buy one of the big companies.
Tea
20th January 2011, 02:49
I am tired of eating all together, I hope we can reach a state of balance on this planet as a whole and reach a point were we can transcend eating like I have heard on other benevolent planets.
I am an athlete and eat atleast 4 -5 meals a day to get the amount of nutrition to stay in tip top strength, It is difficult especially on limited resources.. Well time to go cook
I am pretty athletic myself, although I don't play sports. I bet if you change to a more fatty diet you will notice you won't need to eat as much.
And I totally know what you mean, eating is more of a chore if anything.
9eagle9
20th January 2011, 02:55
Lack of Iodide and Iodine since they started taking it out of our table salt is becoming problemic too. Metabolic function to name one. Shellfish are good for replenishing those as well.
There's also a lot of beleif systems tied up with eating. If you constantly feel as if something is bad for you, or you feel guilty eating it, that belief is going to manifest in some fashion. Good or bad. Mostly bad, people have created a whole complex about foods. People who have weight problems and feel guilty about the foods they are eating are going to turn basic nutrition into a power struggle.
And there's always always someone riding me about my coffee intake....but it is filled with antioxidants so maybe the cons are balanced out by the pros.
Hummingbird
20th January 2011, 03:02
I try to consume all the good fats, 40 % fat 25% carbs( apples etc, not pasta or flour) rest high end protein, I switch it up and am still trying to find whats best.
I love coconut milk, Raw almonds mostly plant based fats.. A man who In my opinion has a great diet down is my kettlebell instuctor Mike Mahler.. http://www.mikemahler.com/
He is very knowledgeable on Hormone optimization, is all vegetarian, I am not but admire someone who can military press his own weight and is vegetarian, the man is a guerrilla
Tea
20th January 2011, 03:03
Lack of Iodide and Iodine since they started taking it out of our table salt is becoming problemic too. Metabolic function to name one. Shellfish are good for replenishing those as well.
There's also a lot of beleif systems tied up with eating. If you constantly feel as if something is bad for you, or you feel guilty eating it, that belief is going to manifest in some fashion. Good or bad. Mostly bad, people have created a whole complex about foods. People who have weight problems and feel guilty about the foods they are eating are going to turn basic nutrition into a power struggle.
And there's always always someone riding me about my coffee intake....but it is filled with antioxidants so maybe the cons are balanced out by the pros.
I agree with what you said here.
I think coffee depends on the individual, but I doubt it's a good idea to consume alot. I drink 0 to 3 a week myself, I kinda feel it cleanse out your stomach for some reason. I will only drink organic fair trade though, with raw honey instead of sugar. I would also like to say that I really have suspicion about the content of starbuck coffee. That stuff absolutely destroys me. If anyone has info on this I would love to see it.
Hummingbird
20th January 2011, 03:11
Lack of Iodide and Iodine since they started taking it out of our table salt is becoming problemic too. Metabolic function to name one. Shellfish are good for replenishing those as well.
There's also a lot of beleif systems tied up with eating. If you constantly feel as if something is bad for you, or you feel guilty eating it, that belief is going to manifest in some fashion. Good or bad. Mostly bad, people have created a whole complex about foods. People who have weight problems and feel guilty about the foods they are eating are going to turn basic nutrition into a power struggle.
And there's always always someone riding me about my coffee intake....but it is filled with antioxidants so maybe the cons are balanced out by the pros.
" One of the most powerful restricting thought process's to the human's of earth, is rationalization" Said by Barbara( forgot her last name) channeled plejarian messeages.. don't really like channeling but as I look around I see it as truth
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yeah coffee is highly acidic, it burns microscopic holes in your intestinal linings which leads to problems of all kinds, toxins in the blood etc.
Tea
20th January 2011, 03:22
I try to consume all the good fats, 40 % fat 25% carbs( apples etc, not pasta or flour) rest high end protein, I switch it up and am still trying to find whats best.
I love coconut milk, Raw almonds mostly plant based fats.. A man who In my opinion has a great diet down is my kettlebell instuctor Mike Mahler.. http://www.mikemahler.com/
He is very knowledgeable on Hormone optimization, is all vegetarian, I am not but admire someone who can military press his own weight and is vegetarian, the man is a guerrilla
I used to basically eat no animal products (including fish) for 2 years. There were some breif periods of exception though. I was still able be fit, but since I changed my diet I have found I have more energy, while eating far less, and the results are better.
I guess for some it may be ok though, the problem is knowing if it will hold up in the long term.
I like the idea of kettle bells, they are really $$$ though.
witchy1
20th January 2011, 03:37
yeah coffee is highly acidic, it burns microscopic holes in your intestinal linings which leads to problems of all kinds, toxins in the blood etc. would you have a link to that? Without that I'd be in a fetal postion under the desk:eek: On my dipsticks it registers between 6 - 7, (that is instant) so its not that bad.
Me personally would not eat Pig even the cleanest pigs have parasites that can end up in your brain.. eeww Hummingbird, where did that come from - have you a link please???? I enjoy a bit of bacon and a big greasy pork roast with crackling (sorry to all the veggies out there) If you get bacon at the butchers (not supermarket) you will be a lot safer when if comes to chemicals IMHO
Hummingbird
20th January 2011, 03:54
I am not trying to prove anyone wrong or debate about what one's likes vs another. just giving my advice after 10+ years of living for wellness.
but since you asked http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/foods-that-cause-acid-reflux/
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/is-coffee-good-or-bad-for-you/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LIdUiCzdpY
from wikipedia
"Pigs can harbour a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract.[14] The presence of these diseases and parasites is one reason pork meat should always be well cooked or cured before eating. Modern pork almost never has this issue and trichinosis has been virtually wiped out except in wild animals like bear. Some religious groups that consider pork unclean refer to these issues as support for their views.[15]
9eagle9
20th January 2011, 03:58
Interesting you should say that about Starbucks. I think tastes like mostly chemicals with some coffee taste added in. I'd be curious to see what composes a starbucks coffee too.
9eagle9
20th January 2011, 04:10
Yep. Humanity is safer if I have my coffee.
Parasites are not really that much of a problem is one uses a periodic detox. We are born with all sorts of microbial ickies like the sort that cause scoliosis. We have funguses, yeasts, parasites all throughout our system, a multitude of nasties I don't even want to think about even if we avoid certain foods. When the body gets tipped into a state of imbalance all the time is when stuff like that gets to be a problem. Parasite detoxes are pretty easy. I detox with relative regularity not because what I know is in food, but for the crud I don't know is lurking in there.
would you have a link to that? Without that I'd be in a fetal postion under the desk:eek: On my dipsticks it registers between 6 - 7, (that is instant) so its not that bad.
Hummingbird, where did that come from - have you a link please???? I enjoy a bit of bacon and a big greasy pork roast with crackling (sorry to all the veggies out there) If you get bacon at the butchers (not supermarket) you will be a lot safer when if comes to chemicals IMHO
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My question about no meat is how do you make sure you get all the amino acids one needs? Are there veg replacements or would you have to go a supplement route? I guess the fats thing would be pretty easy but I always wondered about the amino acids uptake with having a vegetarian type diet.
I used to basically eat no animal products (including fish) for 2 years. There were some breif periods of exception though. I was still able be fit, but since I changed my diet I have found I have more energy, while eating far less, and the results are better.
I guess for some it may be ok though, the problem is knowing if it will hold up in the long term.
I like the idea of kettle bells, they are really $$$ though.
Tea
20th January 2011, 04:31
]My question about no meat is how do you make sure you get all the amino acids one needs? Are there veg replacements or would you have to go a supplement route? I guess the fats thing would be pretty easy but I always wondered about the amino acids uptake with having a vegetarian type diet.
Probably not the question for me since I do eat animal products. But no meat right now, as I don't trust the quality. I stick to small fish, shell fish, milk, butter and eggs mostly for the time being.
I think I was just misguided when I was avoiding animal products.
To be honest I'm not up to speed on amino acids, will have to do some reading on that.
9eagle9
20th January 2011, 04:49
The L's I call them. L-Arginine etc. There's a whole lot of them. Sorta confusing, and I don't understand them all myself. I got interested in them as certain mixtures of them promote and increased production in human growth hormone and improved cellular function. A lack of them is supposed to cause mental fogginess, lethargy and even mild depression symptoms. I test people with muscle testing and the body will speak as to what its deficit in. I found a lot of depressed people, sorta having the blahs, were suffering from amino acid shortages. Not at all what I expected because I wasn't well versed in them myself either. Taking the HGH mix really improved my skin, nails, hair, muscle tone, my body used its fuel better. I need to try to get on another program of that....been slacking...
ThePythonicCow
20th January 2011, 04:49
My question about no meat is how do you make sure you get all the amino acids one needs?
Rice and beans (combined) provide complete protein.
Other good non-meat complete protein options are eggs and whey protein.
Getting complete protein without meat is easy enough. Vitamin B12 is harder. I recommend sub-lingual nano-tech B12 (http://amzn.com/B0028BXJZW), especially for older people, who will likely have reduced ability to absorb B12 from the gut.
Lost Soul
20th January 2011, 04:56
I still eat cereal. It's called Quaker Oats. I cook up a pot on the stove and raisins and cranberries for flavor. No milk or other dairy product added.
str8thinker
20th January 2011, 05:06
(Tea) Well, I must say, that there is no food I know of besides animal products where you can get B12 from (essential vitamin!)
Mushrooms are a good source of B12 as long as you don't over-wash them.
http://www.mushroomsforlife.net/scientific_facts.html
http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B12-sources.php
Instead of cereal, why not make up your own muesli? We've been doing this for years. Then you know what's going into it. And don't buy toasted muesli - that's full of fat.
Simply mix oatmeal, bran, dried fruits and nuts. Add a little flavoured yoghurt or sliced fresh fruit to the milk (avoid anything that curdles milk, such as pineapple or standard kiwi fruit, though gold kiwi fruit is ok). There are 101 recipes for muesli.
Tea
20th January 2011, 05:26
Mushrooms are a good source of B12 as long as you don't over-wash them.
http://www.mushroomsforlife.net/scientific_facts.html
http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B12-sources.php
Interesting, I will keep that in mind.
I do try to eat mushrooms on a weekly basis though, as they are full of nutrients, and are a good source of some essential nutrients. I also drink chaga mushroom tea at least a few times a week.
str8thinker
20th January 2011, 06:06
One point I omitted to make in my earlier post (taken from one of the articles I linked to):
The average amount of B12 in mushrooms is still to be calculated, but is not likely to be more than 5% of the RDI (recommended daily intake). However, that level may be an important amount for a vegan over a lifetime.
witchy1
20th January 2011, 06:07
I am not trying to prove anyone wrong or debate about what one's likes vs anotherI am not trying to prove anyone wrong or debate about what one's likes vs another
Hi Hummingbird, I understand that you are not trying to debate it, neither am I. I was just trying to figure out where the statement "it burns microscopic holes in your intestinal linings which leads to problems of all kinds, toxins in the blood comes from" as I had not heard it before. The links you gave do not provide that statement anywhere (unless I am completely blind). I am a RN (past life) and am reasonably up to date with healthy lifestyles and the consequences of not subscribing to that philosophy
I'm always up for new health knowledge - as long as whatever it is does no harm and has supported objective verifiable evidence.:suspicious: Too many people have damaged their health on some crack pot idea that has no substance and way too many people speak with authority on health topics when they clearly have no idea.
So if you can send me that link, I'd be grateful. If its correct that coffee does in fact burn microscopic holes in our intestinal linings it has huge ramifications.
This is just my opinion and is meant with the best intentions having read the article on coffee - I believe Dr Group (not a qualified medical doctor) has taken some liberties with his article and needs to be a bit more scientific with his comments if he is to be believed. It reads as tho many of the comments are from personal opinion rather that verifiable evidence. For any credibility he really should quote sources just as he has done in the "Dangers and Benefits of drinking coffee" piece of the article
ADDIT: Interesting he cites
"7. Dehydration – Drinking coffee depletes water reserves in the body.[18 (http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/19/5/591)] " that leads here: http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/19/5/591 If you go down the page under conclusions that state in part "Acknowledging the limitations of the study, results indicate that consuming caffeinated beverages did not significantly alter hydration........ " this was a trial of just 18 people. If you look under acknowledgements you will see:
"Supported by a grant from The Coca-Cola Company"
Call me a cynic, but I struggle with believing too much of anything that this company is aligned with and am surprised that someone with natural healing background would support it. (but each to his own I guess)
Please dont think Im having a go Hummingbird, It just worries me a lot that people do not research facts and blindly believe anyone who has a pretty website and a few followers and can speak well. Especially if the have letters after their name. My major concern is that most of these people are just preying on the vunerable and are nothing more that snake oil salesman.
IMHO this website is just a front for selling products - standard marketing campaign. Create the problem (tell people why they need something) and provide the solution (sell it to them). Also go out into the public arena and sell it there - put a name to the product. I see he has his own brand and interesting he describes himself as a "Self taught Quantum Physicist" http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/about/dr-group - hmmmm
I also listend to one of his radio interviews and it only took hiim 10 mins to plug his products and book!
Im well off topic, but I do get on my soap box about these websites. My aplogies in advance I do not set out to upset people. He clearly has some knowledge in natural healing areas and sells it well. We all have free choice about who we believe and they are often different. That is what makes us unique. It would a bland world if we all agreed on everything.
BTW: I have also been known to be wrong and am happy to wipe egg of my face as need be.
W
Dennis Leahy
20th January 2011, 06:42
My question about no meat is how do you make sure you get all the amino acids one needs? Are there veg replacements or would you have to go a supplement route? I guess the fats thing would be pretty easy but I always wondered about the amino acids uptake with having a vegetarian type diet.
The author that created that chunk of misinformation, Frances Moore Lappé, in her book Diet for a Small Planet, did later recant:
"In 1971 I stressed protein complementarity because I assumed that the only way to get enough protein ... was to create a protein as usable by the body as animal protein. In combating the myth that meat is the only way to get high-quality protein, I reinforced another myth. I gave the impression that in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care was needed in choosing foods. Actually, it is much easier than I thought.
"With three important exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a plant food diet. The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and fat). Fortunately, relatively few people in the world try to survive on diets in which these foods are virtually the sole source of calories. In all other diets, if people are getting enough calories, they are virtually certain of getting enough protein."
Wikipedia article: Protein combining (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_combining)
Dennis
TigaHawk
20th January 2011, 06:46
Awwww...
I never normaly eat breakfast....
In an attempt to try and fix my diet, i orderd some of this stuff and organic cornflake equivilant :P
http://www.mannaharvest.net/images/1454/52196C.gif
but wow, my mum will love to hear about the imposter blueberry's!
conk
21st January 2011, 18:31
There is another serious issue with commerical cereals. It's process called glycation. Heating starchy foods creates cancer causing compounds called Advanced Glycosylated End Products or AGEs. AGEs create disruption of cell homeostasis leading to systemic inflammation, poor organ function, skin degradation, accelerated aging, and other health problems.
Glycation: A process by which glucose links with proteins and causes these proteins to bind together. In some circumstances, this can result in “stiffening” of tissues and may lead to certain complications of diabetes, and perhaps some of the physiological problems associated with aging.
This process is seen often at it's worst in french fries and donuts.
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