Consciousness is Immortal - An In-Depth Interview with Tom Campbell

[ExomatrixTV]

"Consciousness is Immortal“ | An In-Depth Interview with Tom Campbell

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Tom Campbell is a former NASA physicist and large systems analyst turned consciousness researcher. Next to his technology–centric career, he joined the team of volunteering research subjects around Robert Monroe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe), where they volitionally induced and systematically investigated phenomena of paranormal nature like e.g. out–of–body experiences, remote viewing, telepathy to name the most prominent. In his trilogy "My Big TOE" (TOE: Theory of Everything) he describes the nature of our larger reality, provides a complete theory of consciousness, and explains our purpose and connection to that larger reality. Along the way, Mr. Campbell derives a more fundamental science that directly answers the most pressing problems and paradoxes of modern physics.

Contents:


00:00:20 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=20s) If you had to put your big theory into a nutshell – what does it say?
00:04:46 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=286s) Entropy is devolving from order to disorder – can we put it like that?
00:09:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=570s) Ideas and theories of this reality are a simulation – are you ok with that?
00:13:08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=788s) Some scientists reject your point of view – would you say that their view is entirely wrong or incomplete?
00:23:55 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=1435s) David Bohm and his theory of the implicate order – what is your opinion?
00:30:46 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=1846s) What do you think about the idea that there is a cyclical universe and infinite number of big bangs?
00:43:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=2620s) You are addressing some of the weaknesses of the original Double-Slit Experiment …
00:57:21 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=3441s) A theory of consciousness
00:58:25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=3505s) The phenomena of remote viewing used by the CIA?
00:59:27 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=3567s) The database and what is sometimes called the akasha record in spiritual philosophies?
01:04:02 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=3842s) Why would the system make this information available to a medium if one of the tenets of your theory holds that the agent should never be able to tell that it is a virtual reality?
01:09:02 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=4142s) Would the individual units of consciousness be sort of a holographic replica of a large consciousness system?
01:10:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=4230s) Is our world in which we live currently but one of many virtual realities?
01:17:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=4650s) You are referring to what is sometimes called “Qualia” …
01:19:59 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=4799s) According to what you are saying, the outcome should never be predictable depending on who is doing or watching the experiment?
01:23:20 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=5000s) We cling to the idea that something of us should last – would that make sense within your theory?
01:35:04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoCHBKitK4&t=5704s) Do you think that our individuated unit of consciousness may indeed persist potentially and definitely eternally?

More Project Avalon Forum Threads:


Tom Campbell: Recent Physics Experiment - What it Means to You (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90285-Tom-Campbell-Recent-Physics-Experiment-What-it-Means-to-You&highlight=Tom+Campbell)
Tom Campbell: The Language of the Larger Consciousness System (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83126-Tom-Campbell-The-Language-of-the-Larger-Consciousness-System&highlight=Tom+Campbell)
Tom Campbell - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82558-Tom-Campbell-Buddha-at-the-Gas-Pump-Interview&highlight=Tom+Campbell)
Prof Eric Cunningham and Tom Campbell:The Onus of Leading a Spiritual-Scientific Revolution (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73098-Prof-Eric-Cunningham-and-Tom-Campbell-The-Onus-of-Leading-a-Spiritual-Scientific-Revolution&highlight=Tom+Campbell)
Bruce Lipton & Tom Campbell explaining about everything there is to know (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70982-Bruce-Lipton-Tom-Campbell-explaining-about-everything-there-is-to-know&highlight=Tom+Campbell)
Tom Campbell: Zeno's Paradoxes Solved by MBT Science Model (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62148-Tom-Campbell-Zeno-s-Paradoxes-Solved-by-MBT-Science-Model&highlight=Tom+Campbell)

The Nature of Reality by Tom Campbell (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38987-The-Nature-of-Reality-by-Tom-Campbell&highlight=Tom+Campbell)

[oz93666]

I've been aware of Tom Campbell for many years . In my view he's a transparent government agent put out to misdirect truth seekers....

looking up his Wikipedia page I found this .... "...He worked as a systems analyst with U.S. Army technical intelligence for a decade before moving into the research and development of technology supporting defensive missile systems. Subsequently, he spent the better part of 30 years working within the U.S. missile defense community as a contractor to the Department of Defense.[4] Campbell most recently worked for NASA ..."

Working for military intelligence !... over 30 years developing missiles to kill people ... and now he's suddenly become a guru publishing books on the Tao , and videos titled " how we can love ", and " how we can find our soul path " ....

I don't buy it !!!

Why would the NWO send someone like this out to the public arena ?? what is his brief ???

He presents himself as a mystic physicist explaining to us , like many other government operatives , that this world is all an illusion , a hologram , a computer generated deception.... this is a big theme in the media at the moment , and we can blame it all on David Icke.

Icke started all this "the world is not real" stuff ...one of his few big errors IMO ...The NWO saw that if they pushed this idea it would spread confusion , and tend to neutralize resistance ( why fight the NWO if it's all an illusion) , truthers would doubt the reality of everything , even doubt the Earth was round!

So I expect he came to retirement age and his military intelligence boss offered him this undercover role ...It's been a nice little earner , a few years ago he had a 'go fund me' ..funding for an experiment to prove the worlds a hologram... he raised plenty of money , but we never heard anything more!

But more than all this ... take a look at Tom talking on the video above ... Does he transmit love and light ...I get a creepy feeling watching him , he's like a cold hard robot ... And the content ?? I'm a trained physicist/engineer and I can't make any sense of it .. gobbledegook ... the scientific equivalent of modern art ..No one want's to say they don't get it , for fear of looking stupid ..

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[ExomatrixTV]

It Will Leave You Speechless - Alan Watts on Being Here and Now:

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[oz93666]

It Will Leave You Speechless - Alan Watts on Being Here and Now:

I don't like to come across as a disagreeable old git , Exo ... but you've manage to come up with another of my least favorite people ..the prize idiot Alan Watts ..

Not to be confused with the brilliant truther Alan Watt (may he rest in peace) ...

Watts is very similar to Osho ... Osho studied comparative religion at university ... Watts got a similar 'education' . flitting from one religion to another...

Alan Watts (6 January 1915 – 16 November 1973) was a British philosopher, writer, and speaker known for interpreting and popularising Eastern philosophies of Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism for a Western audience. Born in Chislehurst, England, he moved to the United States in 1938 and began Zen training in New York. He received a master's degree in theology from Seabury-Western Theological Seminary and became an Episcopal priest in 1945. He left the ministry in 1950 and moved to California, where he joined the faculty of the American Academy of Asian Studies.[2]
...Wikipedia

Both ended up with their heads full of non sense..

Let's analyze this video word by word ... only Watts is speaking on this video ... just like Osho it's all a monologue , no opportunity for awkward questions

0 to 8 seconds ..."What you do is what the whole universe is doing at the place you call here and now..." ...sounds very cool and mystical , but meaningless , as I type these words there are other things going on ...I am not the whole Universe

8 to 21 secs ... " We have been brought up to experience ourselves as isolated centers of awareness and action ..." Well no we weren't brought up that way ... we are that way ! , just as all life on Earth is naturally that way ... my dog is separate from all other dogs , it does not know when other dogs are hungry , only when itself is ... and that's the way it should be , we are all separate ! ... But Watts as a problem with this as we see next ....

21 to 25 secs.. "Placed in a world that is not us..." .....he's right there, the world is not us

25 to 30 secs .. "...that is FORIEN ..ALIEN.. OTHER , which we confront ! .." That doesn't sound very nice does it? Having to live in an alien world which we confront? ... Watts is asserting there is something inherently flawed in our experience , and it would all be OK if we all became "ONE" ... I suggest this is wrong thinking ... the format of physical experience is just fine ... or will be once we get the malevolent ET's and evil spirits off our backs.... which reminds me he never ever mentions the real issue which is the global conspiracy oppressing humanity.

[ExomatrixTV]

I don't like to come across as a disagreeable old git , Exo ...

No worries.

Keep in mind nothing I share is "absolute" nor do I endorse all of it ... I just consider, ponder, allow other perspectives to be just that: THEIR perspectives ... just like listening to a brand new song made by someone else ... there will always be people on earth who are better musicians & better composers ... still I can appreciate assumed "lesser" songs/music ... I do not sense evil intent with Alan Watts ... but I do sense when someone desperately want to control perceptions of anything ;) and that too is okay ... all have a role to play I guess.

I never expect anyone to accept anything I share "just because I do so". Using discernment skills can never be spoon-fed it has to be practiced ... How much you censor yourself depends how your preconceived ideas/views of the world are. Some are for legit & practical reasons, I get that. No worries.

You may not believe that I have had a good longtime friend who is very like you ... over-analyzing with an ultra-skeptical mind being extremely cautious not consider things that does not fit a certain worldview and can be completely nice & okay at the same time.

Maybe you worry that there are so many gullible people in the world (which IS true) being deceived by "new ager's" of all kinds ... thus you feel the urge to warn them & "protect" them from ideological or "spiritual" harm.


I have a very simple stance:

To consider is not the same as endorsing it nor do I feel the need to become a "follower" of anyone ... I just love to hear & consider other perspectives if they not act like "control-freaks" (often based upon fear what others do with it).

So many different UFO-cults, Secret Societies, Religions, Scientistism have all certain "mannerism" to defend their (limited) worldview ... most do that with good intentions but still serve a specific (limited) agenda and feel good about that.

I do not sense that with Alan Watts, he just shares his insights without "demanding" you to change your ways.

Am so used to hear all kinds of healthy/wise & unhealthy/unwise skepticism and where it is coming from I totally get that WHY someone comes to any form of "conclusions" ...

Some people feel the urge to have a "default judgement" to anyone who has a big following or a big network of people helping to "spread the word" (whatever that be) ... "must be a distraction" of what people should do or not ... because that would be the day: imagine all big followings of all kinds doing what you think is necessary to make the world a better place ... This is NOT "abnormal/obnoxious" thinking/reasoning .... To that I have to say this: What works for you does not have to work for me and visa versa and both have their pro's and con's to learn from.

[in general speaking]: "The more you feel responsible how others perceive things in a certain way ... the less you spend time what you suppose to do ... and I am 100% guilty of doing that too".

ps. I rather have people be 100% frank & blunt acting like a "wise guy" allowing to be "rude" etc. etc. than someone who "plays nice" to "fit in", keeping all emotions to him or her self and building up a tension that will eventually burst ;)

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 8th, 2021


~no need to follow anyone, only consider to broaden (y)our horizon of possibilities

[ExomatrixTV]

I just updated my last response over 10 times lol (sorry for that) ... you may have to refresh this page ..

[ExomatrixTV]

In my view, the biggest flaw of Tom Campbell is: when he is window-dressing his theories ... he acts like it is a "done deal" (absolute) ... serving a specific agenda?

If he had a real Near Death Experience (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glKccJ5YUcg) at early age (like me) ... he would most-likely act totally different to his "authoritative" scientific based theories.

cheers,
John

[Tyy1907]

Haven't looked into his work yet but I like the thread title.

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In my view, the biggest flaw of Tom Campbell is: when he is window-dressing his theories ... he acts like it is a "done deal" (absolute) ... serving a specific agenda?

If he had a real Near Death Experience (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glKccJ5YUcg) at early age (like me) ... he would most-likely act totally different to his "authoritative" scientific based theories.

cheers,
John

John I'd love to hear your Near Death Experience, is there a thread or something on it?

[amor]

Dear John: I also would like to hear that Near Death Experience. Each one gives us all that much more information about the nether world which awaits us. We await your experience with pleasure.

[thepainterdoug]

John I would love to hear it also. I live for hearing as many of these as possible.

btw I enjoyed the interview

[Blastolabs]

I don't like to come across as a disagreeable old git , Exo ... but you've manage to come up with another of my least favorite people ..the prize idiot Alan Watts ...


Take the time to understand the double slit experiment and then get back to us.

There is nothing in the first video that could be construed as "disinformation"

Quantum Physics is real, saying that a video of two guys talking about quantum physics somehow has a "bad intention" shows a lack of understanding of the subject matter.

You can see proof of what they are talking about in that video with your own eyes in this video.

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[oz93666]

Take the time to understand the double slit experiment and then get back to us.
There is nothing in the first video that could be construed as "disinformation"

I'm well aware of the double slit experiment . This was first performed over 200years ago ...

My post (#2) was not referring to the video , but to Campbells overall message and work ... I detect an agenda , his past employment history tends to confirm this is the case ...

There are an unbelievable number of media supported "scientists" and others out there , trying to convince us the world is not real ..And there is no evidence for it .. They jump from something like the double slit experiment , with a slight of hand to their end proposition ... Some even say that because the atom is 99% empty space , it follows the world is an illusion ...

There IS an agenda being played out here.

Elon Musk is among those who believe we may be living in a simulated universe....

Musk is just one of the people in Silicon Valley to take a keen interest in the “simulation hypothesis”, which argues that what we experience as reality is actually a giant computer simulation created by a more sophisticated intelligence. If it sounds a lot like The Matrix, that’s because it is....[... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/11/simulated-world-elon-musk-the-matrix

[ByTheNorthernSea]

John I would love to hear it also. I live for hearing as many of these as possible.

btw I enjoyed the interview

You may have come across this before, I don't know, but Shaman Oaks YT channel contains a number of interesting & credible NDE accounts...

https://www.youtube.com/c/ShamanOaks/videos

[ExomatrixTV]

Soon I will write about my NDE (https://pimvanlommel.nl/en/pim-van-lommel/scientific-publications/) and how it has an effect on everything I do ... being a.o. fearless.

I remember long time ago watching Larry King show Live on CNN, 29 years ago (when CNN was not insane as it is now) ... Discussing people who had had a "Near Death Experience (https://pimvanlommel.nl/en/pim-van-lommel/scientific-publications/)" & UFO experiences how they are different compared to "only UFO spotters" or "only NDE (https://pimvanlommel.nl/en/pim-van-lommel/scientific-publications/) people" ... This only triggered me to be 10 times more pro-active in what I do and why I do it.


The Omega Project: Near-Death Experiences, Ufo Encounters, and Mind at Large – May 1st, 1992 by Kenneth Ring (https://www.amazon.nl/Omega-Project-Near-Death-Experiences-Encounters/dp/068810729X)


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book review (https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799361/m1/1/)

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 9th, 2021


Richard Schwarz quote:

Gold! for all of you reading this, search for the "update (https://www.amazon.com/Omega-Project-Near-Death-Experiences-Encounters/dp/0688128467)" of the Omega project book entitled - Beyond UFOs: The Science of Consciousness & Contact with Non Human Intelligence (Volume 1) (https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-UFOs-Science-Consciousness-Intelligence/dp/1721088652). It pushes from where Kenneth has stopped.


Dominique Sherter quote:

Ring's condescending interpretation of Ms. Crystal's experience hasn't aged well. In fact both experiencers' clear and cogent relation of their own experience makes Ring's spiritual ambulance chasing feel rather besides the point. His clear desire to find an over-arching explanatory model obscures rather than clarifies. The conflation of encounters and NDEs is (as reading and speaking to both categories of experiencers clearly bears out) is wrong-headed and, again, an obfuscation. The experience of mystery as mystery is an inextricable aspect of non-normal experiences. The insistence on framing these experiences within normal frameworks of perception inevitably distorts.


You can hear me talking 9 years ago in this video below ... about my UFO Encounter and NDE (https://pimvanlommel.nl/en/pim-van-lommel/scientific-publications/) (but not in great detail).

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starts at 41:30 ... by the way: "my English is much better now... (being Dutch)".

[samildamach]

I've been aware of Tom Campbell for many years . In my view he's a transparent government agent put out to misdirect truth seekers....

looking up his Wikipedia page I found this .... "...He worked as a systems analyst with U.S. Army technical intelligence for a decade before moving into the research and development of technology supporting defensive missile systems. Subsequently, he spent the better part of 30 years working within the U.S. missile defense community as a contractor to the Department of Defense.[4] Campbell most recently worked for NASA ..."

Working for military intelligence !... over 30 years developing missiles to kill people ... and now he's suddenly become a guru publishing books on the Tao , and videos titled " how we can love ", and " how we can find our soul path " ....

I don't buy it !!!

Why would the NWO send someone like this out to the public arena ?? what is his brief ???

He presents himself as a mystic physicist explaining to us , like many other government operatives , that this world is all an illusion , a hologram , a computer generated deception.... this is a big theme in the media at the moment , and we can blame it all on David Icke.

Icke started all this "the world is not real" stuff ...one of his few big errors IMO ...The NWO saw that if they pushed this idea it would spread confusion , and tend to neutralize resistance ( why fight the NWO if it's all an illusion) , truthers would doubt the reality of everything , even doubt the Earth was round!

So I expect he came to retirement age and his military intelligence boss offered him this undercover role ...It's been a nice little earner , a few years ago he had a 'go fund me' ..funding for an experiment to prove the worlds a hologram... he raised plenty of money , but we never heard anything more!

But more than all this ... take a look at Tom talking on the video above ... Does he transmit love and light ...I get a creepy feeling watching him , he's like a cold hard robot ... And the content ?? I'm a trained physicist/engineer and I can't make any sense of it .. gobbledegook ... the scientific equivalent of modern art ..No one want's to say they don't get it , for fear of looking stupid ..

https://ronderiart.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/abstract_art_painting_print_modern_art_ron_deri-400x400.jpg

iam I big fan of some of toms work on metaphysics Tom Campbell in Calgary on utube is 8 hrs of pure brilliance.a blend of the effects of conciouness combined with real life quatum physics theory and experiments.

[oz93666]

iam I big fan of some of toms work on metaphysics Tom Campbell in Calgary on utube is 8 hrs of pure brilliance.a blend of the effects of conciouness combined with real life quatum physics theory and experiments.

Well just to say your a big fan doesn't really further the debate ... If you've watch 8 hrs give a summary of what you learnt and you might convert me.

[samildamach]

iam I big fan of some of toms work on metaphysics Tom Campbell in Calgary on utube is 8 hrs of pure brilliance.a blend of the effects of conciouness combined with real life quatum physics theory and experiments.

Well just to say your a big fan doesn't really further the debate ... If you've watch 8 hrs give a summary of what you learnt and you might convert me.

You do condeceding well.
ive given a brief summary of what it's about if you care to read the statement.
Try debating with yourself you will get the agreement that you are looking for on you views

[oz93666]

....l've given a brief summary of what it's about if you care to read the statement.

I figured that was probably the best you could do ...

People can spend their lives listening to people like Campbell , Watts , Krishnamurti or Osho and come away with nothing ... They've learnt nothing because it's either gobbeldegook rubbish , or at best vague generalization , feel good mystical one liners ... It's essential after watching ANY video to get a pencil and paper and write down what was imparted ..a summary ..

I'm reminded of a story told by one of Osho's disciple's in her autobiography ... She finally left the ashram and returned to the outside world and decided to continue her spiritual path by going to a counselor /therapist . At the first session they introduced themselves and the councilor said " Would you like to tell me about yourself? " ... "Well" said the woman " for the past 8 years I've been privileged to live in an ashram under the guidance of an enlightened master " ... "Goodness said the counselor That must have been wonderful! What did he teach you ?" ...The woman said her mouth opened but no words came in response , her mind was blank , and then she realized the whole thing was a fraud , she had learnt nothing ...

[Open Minded Dude]

In my view, the biggest flaw of Tom Campbell is: when he is window-dressing his theories ... he acts like it is a "done deal" (absolute) ... serving a specific agenda?

If he had a real Near Death Experience (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glKccJ5YUcg) at early age (like me) ... he would most-likely act totally different to his "authoritative" scientific based theories.

cheers,
John

He is a conscousness experiencer with lifelong vast experience in NPMR and lots of OBEs, at least that is his claim. If there were NDEs I don't remember. I read his book trilogy back in 2010 when I was involved myself in the practice of OBE and other paranormal stuff a lot. I find his contribution worthwhile considering. His work with the Monroe at the Monroe Institute is beyond doubt, he really did this and it was also a kind of scientific work already.

I am also not on the same page with everything regarding his MBT theory or some of his conclusions from his NPMR experiences. As usual I take out of it what makes sense to me and leave the rest. Non dogmatic approach.

Regarding his scientific stance: He wants to address the 'left-brained' skeptic (even materialist) people and change official mainstream science paradigm from within, although one can argue is this is possible at all since it is all corrupt beyond repair.

He also works as a physicist still in his free time doing the experiments. That is why I would 'allow' him to be a bit more self-confident about his opinions and theories. As usual it is important to never blindly follow anyone. Insofar I understand the ciriticism in this thread.

However, the conclusion that he is a conman or disinfo agent just from his work with a military agency (NASA) is a bit far-fetched and unfounded it seems. Not everyone who worked for the military (and btw his work was about defence not attack missiles) is a bad person or a shill for the Elites automatically.

Just my 2 cents.

[ExomatrixTV]

What if (y)our mind is always like a simulation but the Awareness of what it is doing, isn't?

All mental constructs of any kind (especially fear-based ones) is just attempt to perceive & comprehend what reality could be/is ... but it is always after the fact or they are just projections ... not in the now.

"Mental activities" are just (endless) labels we use full of assumptions most can agree with (or not). Perception is not the same as actual experience without the need for any labels. Example a baby that touching something hot for the very first time ... does not need to be told what it is that is experiencing ... it has already an awareness of it ... the label is given later on ... so in essence we could have 1000s of examples where we already have awareness (insights) of complex things without using labels & endless mind chit-chat. The moment we become slave to the mind-chatter large part coming from all kinds of so called "authorities" ... (born as an original) we are doomed to become a copy of some-one else.

Let the experience become your teacher not the raging fearful mind-chatter ... unless you are 100% sure you can trust what your (fearful) mind is telling you.

When we use (practice) practical intuition it works best when you are in the present now solving present issues happening in the now ... then you teach your whole being you are creative enough to transform any hurdle/obstacle/challenge in the present now (not "solving" endless mind-chatter which is not rooted in present experience).

So you have to trust yourself that you intuitively know what to do in the real present now when the time comes ... this is key because if you do not ... your endless fear based mind-chatter gets the upper-hand so much so it blocks (prevents) you to access your real practical intuition we all have ...

Who is the real you? ... What if you are always more than any thought (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought) (past, present & future combined) about yourself? ... What if you are always more than any thought (past, present & future combined) others have about "who you suppose to be" ?


Now you may comprehend what means to have a unbound mind :) ... you still "think" but it is different in so many ways.

I sense we a have a "neutral observer" within all of us that goes beyond duality thinking trying to tell a different perspective ... depending how you are raised & conditioned ... anyone can have access to ... Some call it "higher self" or "inner voice" or "inner (spiritual) guide" or "your consciousness" or "your conscience" or etc. etc.

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 10th, 2021

[samildamach]

....l've given a brief summary of what it's about if you care to read the statement.

I figured that was probably the best you could do ...

People can spend their lives listening to people like Campbell , Watts , Krishnamurti or Osho and come away with nothing ... They've learnt nothing because it's either gobbeldegook rubbish , or at best vague generalization , feel good mystical one liners ... It's essential after watching ANY video to get a pencil and paper and write down what was imparted ..a summary ..

I'm reminded of a story told by one of Osho's disciple's in her autobiography ... She finally left the ashram and returned to the outside world and decided to continue her spiritual path by going to a counselor /therapist . At the first session they introduced themselves and the councilor said " Would you like to tell me about yourself? " ... "Well" said the woman " for the past 8 years I've been privileged to live in an ashram under the guidance of an enlightened master " ... "Goodness said the counselor That must have been wonderful! What did he teach you ?" ...The woman said her mouth opened but no words came in response , her mind was blank , and then she realized the whole thing was a fraud , she had learnt nothing ...

Your very wrong on every count.search Avalon and you will find many mentions of Tom Campbell and his work me included.if you do watch the utube video I've suggested it does practical work on healing,remote viewing. I've still got a picture I drew of an object in a box under a bed which was no longer in the box under the bed or even in the same house. But I was able to look into that particular space and time and draw a unique object with no clues .what I did get was the compete Waiste of time and energy that it would take to answer your already made up mind and how pointless it would be.you might just might with an open mind learn something new .

[Savannah]

I've been aware of Tom Campbell for many years . In my view he's a transparent government agent put out to misdirect truth seekers....

looking up his Wikipedia page I found this .... "...He worked as a systems analyst with U.S. Army technical intelligence for a decade before moving into the research and development of technology supporting defensive missile systems. Subsequently, he spent the better part of 30 years working within the U.S. missile defense community as a contractor to the Department of Defense.[4] Campbell most recently worked for NASA ..."

Working for military intelligence !... over 30 years developing missiles to kill people ... and now he's suddenly become a guru publishing books on the Tao , and videos titled " how we can love ", and " how we can find our soul path " ....

I don't buy it !!!

Why would the NWO send someone like this out to the public arena ?? what is his brief ???

He presents himself as a mystic physicist explaining to us , like many other government operatives , that this world is all an illusion , a hologram , a computer generated deception.... this is a big theme in the media at the moment , and we can blame it all on David Icke.

Icke started all this "the world is not real" stuff ...one of his few big errors IMO ...The NWO saw that if they pushed this idea it would spread confusion , and tend to neutralize resistance ( why fight the NWO if it's all an illusion) , truthers would doubt the reality of everything , even doubt the Earth was round!

So I expect he came to retirement age and his military intelligence boss offered him this undercover role ...It's been a nice little earner , a few years ago he had a 'go fund me' ..funding for an experiment to prove the worlds a hologram... he raised plenty of money , but we never heard anything more!

But more than all this ... take a look at Tom talking on the video above ... Does he transmit love and light ...I get a creepy feeling watching him , he's like a cold hard robot ... And the content ?? I'm a trained physicist/engineer and I can't make any sense of it .. gobbledegook ... the scientific equivalent of modern art ..No one want's to say they don't get it , for fear of looking stupid ..

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I cant agree more. I bought his book on audible and listened to it in the car on my long commute. What he says that does make sense is long winded, convoluted to sound super scientific. Using the "I'm so above your intelligence, that's why you cant understand me" spell. I think your absolutely right it's deliberate nonsense mixed with real facts, just like all CIA propaganda.

[Savannah]

....l've given a brief summary of what it's about if you care to read the statement.

I figured that was probably the best you could do ...

People can spend their lives listening to people like Campbell , Watts , Krishnamurti or Osho and come away with nothing ... They've learnt nothing because it's either gobbeldegook rubbish , or at best vague generalization , feel good mystical one liners ... It's essential after watching ANY video to get a pencil and paper and write down what was imparted ..a summary ..

I'm reminded of a story told by one of Osho's disciple's in her autobiography ... She finally left the ashram and returned to the outside world and decided to continue her spiritual path by going to a counselor /therapist . At the first session they introduced themselves and the councilor said " Would you like to tell me about yourself? " ... "Well" said the woman " for the past 8 years I've been privileged to live in an ashram under the guidance of an enlightened master " ... "Goodness said the counselor That must have been wonderful! What did he teach you ?" ...The woman said her mouth opened but no words came in response , her mind was blank , and then she realized the whole thing was a fraud , she had learnt nothing ...

Your very wrong on every count.search Avalon and you will find many mentions of Tom Campbell and his work me included.if you do watch the utube video I've suggested it does practical work on healing,remote viewing. I've still got a picture I drew of an object in a box under a bed which was no longer in the box under the bed or even in the same house. But I was able to look into that particular space and time and draw a unique object with no clues .what I did get was the compete Waiste of time and energy that it would take to answer your already made up mind and how pointless it would be.you might just might with an open mind learn something new .

Yes because IMO much of what he says is true and already out there and can be understood. The problem is he has added a layer convoluted nonsense.

[Mashika]

Allan Watts was meaning to write an "Introduction to Buddhism and Zen" he never meant to be the end, or master of that knowledge, people were supposed to learn from him, then go learn the full thing, and... They never did somehow

He knew more than he said, or wrote, he did not teach that because *you are supposed to get there on your own*

So why the hell are people considering his words, against what he wanted or expected?

And this argument it's ridiculous as far as i can see it

Most of the people that did not get that he wasn't a master or some kind of guru, ended up forming ridiculous religions or theories or superpowers around what he said, because they could not even understand the reality of what eastern religion or Zen was, it's such a ridiculous thing just looking at people sending "vibes" over the air moving their hands and stuff. It's embarrassing, so yeah, i don't even know why i'm posting this but honestly!

[Mashika]

I would like to post a question here, for anyone to answer if you may want to

Lets say two things may happen, about "Consciousness is Immortal"

1. You die in this current reality, then you wake up as a new born baby and some new memories are built, but somewhere, your old memories are stored and continually updated with your current ones. Finally you wake up and everything is merged into a single being that has understood and is capable of understanding all you have lived in the past 1000 years or whatever

2. You are a small piece of the universe, all you experience is going into a source being that is not "you" but instead you are a part of it, so you remain alive and continue to exist, but not in your present form, your experiences and thoughts and everything you lived are integrated into the higher being. You won't remain unique, as a single being, but instead, be part of the higher one once you leave this reality

Which one would you choose?

[I am B]

Imho, right now the second one is almost as empty and scary as a nihilist take on the universe. If your drop of conciousness is forever diluted in an almost infinite sea of "thoughts and memories", does it really matter whatever we do here? And does it mean it is REALLY immortal if your whole being is "scattered" all around eternity?

I am more of a believer of the first one, with some tweaks and changes probably, but surely similar to that. Also I act accordingly to it. If building morals and conciousness is profitable to "improve my soul" so be it, if my being is gonna be diluted forever, it means that what I do matters rather little anyways...

Damn its always hard to write about this.

[Open Minded Dude]

I would like to post a question here, for anyone to answer if you may want to

Lets say two things may happen, about "Consciousness is Immortal"

1. You die in this current reality, then you wake up as a new born baby and some new memories are built, but somewhere, your old memories are stored and continually updated with your current ones. Finally you wake up and everything is merged into a single being that has understood and is capable of understanding all you have lived in the past 1000 years or whatever

2. You are a small piece of the universe, all you experience is going into a source being that is not "you" but instead you are a part of it, so you remain alive and continue to exist, but not in your present form, your experiences and thoughts and everything you lived are integrated into the higher being. You won't remain unique, as a single being, but instead, be part of the higher one once you leave this reality

Which one would you choose?

In my view it is neither 1 nor 2. I think you as "Higher Self" is like playing avatars with incarnations. These avatars are still 'real' as a part of your "Greater" self. Your Greater/Total/Higher Self in turn is part of the "All" like a drop in the ocean. You can connect to the All and experience it from the highest perspective as many people who had Mystic God experiences (during OBE or NDE) already had, if only glimpses. I had one myself where I was at least part of other humans. Still you are in my view (and it is only my view!) a separate being, just more 'connected' and at/in peace with all the others who are part of the same Big "thing" as you are sending out 'avatars' to play in created realities which are also created by the Big one (Source/God/All-That-Is/Universe).

I also think that the "simulation hypothesis" is misinterpreted wrong and too negatively all the time. It is always being said that there are controllers or aliens or whatever who created this reality (kind of on a computer, lol) and with it control it (and us). But what Campbell and other "mystics" actually say is that it is about the nature of reality which is ALL 'virtual' (I call it 'computational'). That means that EVERYthing is virtual (I see digital just as a metaphor that to make it understood better) even any controllers or 'aliens' who dominate us are just virtual players / avatars too. This is what is often overlooked when people complain about the virtual/simulation hypothesis and do not really "understand" what is being said.

[Mashika]

In my view it is neither 1 nor 2. I think you as "Higher Self" is like playing avatars with incarnations. These avatars are still 'real' as a part of your "Greater" self. Your Greater/Total/Higher Self in turn is part of the "All" like a drop in the ocean

It reminds me of "The Egg" :)
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Humans work just like state machines (software) attached to a physical body, or at least we interpret it as such, each human has a completely unique experience so definitely we are creating our reality as we move, and as our brain interprets what we 'see' or 'feel' in real time

There are no 2 persons who have the exact same experience, it may mean something or have a purpose that each person sees a different world, or feels the experience of being alive in a different way than the other billions of people on this planet?



I would like to post a question here, for anyone to answer if you may want to

Lets say two things may happen, about "Consciousness is Immortal"

1. You die in this current reality, then you wake up as a new born baby and some new memories are built, but somewhere, your old memories are stored and continually updated with your current ones. Finally you wake up and everything is merged into a single being that has understood and is capable of understanding all you have lived in the past 1000 years or whatever

2. You are a small piece of the universe, all you experience is going into a source being that is not "you" but instead you are a part of it, so you remain alive and continue to exist, but not in your present form, your experiences and thoughts and everything you lived are integrated into the higher being. You won't remain unique, as a single being, but instead, be part of the higher one once you leave this reality

Which one would you choose?

In my view it is neither 1 nor 2. I think you as "Higher Self" is like playing avatars with incarnations. These avatars are still 'real' as a part of your "Greater" self. Your Greater/Total/Higher Self in turn is part of the "All" like a drop in the ocean. You can connect to the All and experience it from the highest perspective as many people who had Mystic God experiences (during OBE or NDE) already had, if only glimpses. I had one myself where I was at least part of other humans. Still you are in my view (and it is only my view!) a separate being, just more 'connected' and at/in peace with all the others who are part of the same Big "thing" as you are sending out 'avatars' to play in created realities which are also created by the Big one (Source/God/All-That-Is/Universe).

I also think that the "simulation hypothesis" is misinterpreted wrong and too negatively all the time. It is always being said that there are controllers or aliens or whatever who created this reality (kind of on a computer, lol) and with it control it (and us). But what Campbell and other "mystics" actually say is that it is about the nature of reality which is ALL 'virtual' (I call it 'computational'). That means that EVERYthing is virtual (I see digital just as a metaphor that to make it understood better) even any controllers or 'aliens' who dominate us are just virtual players / avatars too. This is what is often overlooked when people complain about the virtual/simulation hypothesis and do not really "understand" what is being said.

[Mashika]

Imho, right now the second one is almost as empty and scary as a nihilist take on the universe. If your drop of conciousness is forever diluted in an almost infinite sea of "thoughts and memories", does it really matter whatever we do here? And does it mean it is REALLY immortal if your whole being is "scattered" all around eternity?

I am more of a believer of the first one, with some tweaks and changes probably, but surely similar to that. Also I act accordingly to it. If building morals and conciousness is profitable to "improve my soul" so be it, if my being is gonna be diluted forever, it means that what I do matters rather little anyways...

Damn its always hard to write about this.

That question, was proposed to me when i was 13, by my Zen teacher, he thought i could handle the idea. I did not sleep for weeks just thinking of how i was just going to disperse across the universe and never 'be me' lol

Eventually i kind of became more aware, maybe that's what he expected but it did took some soul suffering to accept the possibility that i for sure will die one day and then i may not ever be 'me' again. I am not worried about it now, 'it's what it is'

Since i don't know which one is the true, i just learned to accept that whatever happens, will happen anyway, so why even worry?

[I am B]

Imho, right now the second one is almost as empty and scary as a nihilist take on the universe. If your drop of conciousness is forever diluted in an almost infinite sea of "thoughts and memories", does it really matter whatever we do here? And does it mean it is REALLY immortal if your whole being is "scattered" all around eternity?

I am more of a believer of the first one, with some tweaks and changes probably, but surely similar to that. Also I act accordingly to it. If building morals and conciousness is profitable to "improve my soul" so be it, if my being is gonna be diluted forever, it means that what I do matters rather little anyways...

Damn its always hard to write about this.

That question, was proposed to me when i was 13, by my Zen teacher, he thought i could handle the idea. I did not sleep for weeks just thinking of how i was just going to disperse across the universe and never 'be me' lol

Eventually i kind of became more aware, maybe that's what he expected but it did took some soul suffering to accept the possibility that i for sure will die one day and then i may not ever be 'me' again. I am not worried about it now, 'it's what it is'

Since i don't know which one is the true, i just learned to accept that whatever happens, will happen anyway, so why even worry?

My thoughts preety much exactly.

Maybe it is a bit reductionist but there is a 50/50 chance here and little proof, if any. Your soul is finite, or it isn't. As "easy" as that.

There is a principle/argument used by Kardec, which was from buddhism or taoism (I'm sure you know better):
"everything happens for a reason"

Which would justify the fact that we live to improve something bigger, and being forever lost into eternity does little to justify such a "wholesome and painful" walk on life... definetly something to meditate on.

And as much as it is criticised, or as edgy as it is, for me, a kind of nihilism helps me cope with that thought and the despair it causes, when it becomes harder to believe in a bigger picture sometimes. Although its more of a moral/mind thing and I hardly act on it. (hence the profile pic ^^)

Few (to none) people here will enjoy the style but the band's lyrics are something else.

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I hope I'm not rambling and going around too much, Its so hard to write and make a straight point on this. I could be writting for ages and still go back and rewrite it all xD I'd rather talk it through with some cold something on a cool place. (in contrast to what the lyrics say)

[Mashika]

Neither Buddhism or Taoism, it's Tychism



In his theory of tychism, Peirce sought to deny the central position of the doctrine of necessity which maintains that "the state of things existing at any time, together with certain immutable laws, completely determine the state of things at every other time."[3] One of the principal arguments of the necessitarians is that their position involves a presupposition of all science. Peirce attacks this idea asserting: "To 'postulate' a proposition is no more than to hope it is true."[4] Thus an avenue is opened up allowing the entry of chance as a fundamental and absolute entity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tychism

No rambling at all, thanks for your replies, i know this is very hard subject to discuss, but i love that you are very clear and open about your own thoughts and beliefs, and accept mine as well

I love these kind of conversations, it brings joy and personal benefit in several ways, for all of us

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Imho, right now the second one is almost as empty and scary as a nihilist take on the universe. If your drop of conciousness is forever diluted in an almost infinite sea of "thoughts and memories", does it really matter whatever we do here? And does it mean it is REALLY immortal if your whole being is "scattered" all around eternity?

I am more of a believer of the first one, with some tweaks and changes probably, but surely similar to that. Also I act accordingly to it. If building morals and conciousness is profitable to "improve my soul" so be it, if my being is gonna be diluted forever, it means that what I do matters rather little anyways...

Damn its always hard to write about this.

That question, was proposed to me when i was 13, by my Zen teacher, he thought i could handle the idea. I did not sleep for weeks just thinking of how i was just going to disperse across the universe and never 'be me' lol

Eventually i kind of became more aware, maybe that's what he expected but it did took some soul suffering to accept the possibility that i for sure will die one day and then i may not ever be 'me' again. I am not worried about it now, 'it's what it is'

Since i don't know which one is the true, i just learned to accept that whatever happens, will happen anyway, so why even worry?

My thoughts preety much exactly.

Maybe it is a bit reductionist but there is a 50/50 chance here and little proof, if any. Your soul is finite, or it isn't. As "easy" as that.

There is a principle/argument used by Kardec, which was from buddhism or taoism (I'm sure you know better):
"everything happens for a reason"

Which would justify the fact that we live to improve something bigger, and being forever lost into eternity does little to justify such a "wholesome and painful" walk on life... definetly something to meditate on.

And as much as it is criticised, or as edgy as it is, for me, a kind of nihilism helps me cope with that thought and the despair it causes, when it becomes harder to believe in a bigger picture sometimes. Although its more of a moral/mind thing and I hardly act on it. (hence the profile pic ^^)

Few (to none) people here will enjoy the style but the band's lyrics are something else.

Y8Xgq3naom4

I hope I'm not rambling and going around too much, Its so hard to write and make a straight point on this. I could be writting for ages and still go back and rewrite it all xD I'd rather talk it through with some cold something on a cool place. (in contrast to what the lyrics say)

[chris_walker]

I've been aware of Tom Campbell for many years . In my view he's a transparent government agent put out to misdirect truth seekers....

looking up his Wikipedia page I found this .... "...He worked as a systems analyst with U.S. Army technical intelligence for a decade before moving into the research and development of technology supporting defensive missile systems. Subsequently, he spent the better part of 30 years working within the U.S. missile defense community as a contractor to the Department of Defense.[4] Campbell most recently worked for NASA ..."

Working for military intelligence !... over 30 years developing missiles to kill people ... and now he's suddenly become a guru publishing books on the Tao , and videos titled " how we can love ", and " how we can find our soul path " ....

I don't buy it !!!

Why would the NWO send someone like this out to the public arena ?? what is his brief ???

He presents himself as a mystic physicist explaining to us , like many other government operatives , that this world is all an illusion , a hologram , a computer generated deception.... this is a big theme in the media at the moment , and we can blame it all on David Icke.

Icke started all this "the world is not real" stuff ...one of his few big errors IMO ...The NWO saw that if they pushed this idea it would spread confusion , and tend to neutralize resistance ( why fight the NWO if it's all an illusion) , truthers would doubt the reality of everything , even doubt the Earth was round!

So I expect he came to retirement age and his military intelligence boss offered him this undercover role ...It's been a nice little earner , a few years ago he had a 'go fund me' ..funding for an experiment to prove the worlds a hologram... he raised plenty of money , but we never heard anything more!

But more than all this ... take a look at Tom talking on the video above ... Does he transmit love and light ...I get a creepy feeling watching him , he's like a cold hard robot ... And the content ?? I'm a trained physicist/engineer and I can't make any sense of it .. gobbledegook ... the scientific equivalent of modern art ..No one want's to say they don't get it , for fear of looking stupid ..
I think Icke says the archons/reptilians/Illuminati control this AI reality and also the afterlife one and manipulate them to generate loosh, i.e. negative energy, which they feed on. Campbell, OTOH, is as you say a 3 letter agency asset. He does his best to undermine the truths of the Gnostics and people like Icke. Campbell was involved in developing the Gateway Experience tapes at the Monroe Institute, which facilitate OOBEs. Many others, whom I tend to agree with, theorised that, after Monroe's death in 1995, the 3 letter agencies and perhaps with the help of even Campbell himself altered the tapes rendering them to be nothing more than relaxation tapes.

[oz93666]

I think Icke says the archons/reptilians/Illuminati control this AI reality and also the afterlife one and manipulate them to generate loosh, i.e. negative energy, which they feed on. Campbell, OTOH, is as you say a 3 letter agency asset. He does his best to undermine the truths of the Gnostics and people like Icke. Campbell was involved in developing the Gateway Experience tapes at the Monroe Institute, which facilitate OOBEs. Many others, whom I tend to agree with, theorised that, after Monroe's death in 1995, the 3 letter agencies and perhaps with the help of even Campbell himself altered the tapes rendering them to be nothing more than relaxation tapes.

I found your post interesting Chris ...
To make my position clear about Icke ... I believe he's a very important contributor ... I even agree with the spirit of the highlighted part above ...Except that this reality is not AI generated , and Icke has confusion about who the players are ..

The fallen angels aka malevolent spirits are the ones who feed on loosh and they get this from us when we are alive or dead ... long ago they possessed and corrupted the coalition of Physical ET groups controlling Earth ( Annunaki , Arcturians , Reptilians and Greys) .. These non physical spirits and ET's are now knowingly working together to enslave humanity .

[oz93666]

Yes because IMO much of what he says is true and already out there and can be understood. The problem is he has added a layer convoluted nonsense.

Dead right .. Much of his content is true ... Difinfo has to have truth in it otherwise it would never attract a following ..

"Consciousness is immortal " ... Dahhh ... You think we don't know that ?

But look at the title's of his books " My Big Toe" .... "Buddha at the Gas Pump" .. how corny .. dreamed up by some Psi-op egg head aimed at the naïve.

[Open Minded Dude]

Wow, he's going places and made it to Joe Rogan now. YES!

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