"End Times"?

[lisa]

Do you believe the "end times" is happening within 20 years? Did you believe back in the 90's that the "end times" was going to come on Y2K?

There is no right or wrong answer... Well, technically it is either happening or not, but it is okay to be wrong and we can always change our minds later. Of course if you really want to get this right, "Maybe" is your safest bet.

These surveys tend to elicit a lot of responses, so please try to read through all the responses to see if there is something to add.

My reasons for believing that the "end times" is happening within 20 years:
* The "Law Of One" mentioned that the Earth is transitioning from third density to fourth density around 2011
* The "Phoenix Journal" mentioned about a pole shift, time shift/energy shift
* The document with specs for making some magnetic energy devices talks about a pole shift: http://www.magneticenergy.org.uk/formula.htm
* Native people all around the world talk about the "end times" (e.g. http://www.honesty.org/fry/The%20Sacred%20Hill%20Within%20-%20by%20Little%20Crow%20(1999).pdf)
* Religious texts from various religions talk about the "end times"
* Many Camelot whistleblowers talk about the "end times"
* The government has been doing a lot of preparations with the underground bunkers, food and seed storage, etc.
* Many things prophesied about the "end times" have come true
* Many people have visions about earth cataclysms
* Many people have "woken up" recently (as evident in the flood of new PA members)

I think this is very positive and I feel very fortunate to experience living in these times.

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Please try to include sources or factual info to support either notion rather than just opinions. Many thanks!

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's another question.

Does anyone feel that voting on it will change anything? :)

[Tea]

The end of time as we know it, maybe. The dawn of a new era for humanity, seems likely. The end of the world, no.

[truthseekerdan]

Enjoy this song Lisa ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY&ob=av3el

[jorr lundstrom]

The last moment just ended. I am sitting here waiting for the dawn of the next moment. LOL

[mondaze]

i believe it has been engineered to seem like end times. i feel however that all outcomes remain possible, so carry love in your heart and do not fear

[truthseekerdan]

The last moment just ended. I am sitting here waiting for the dawn of the next moment. LOL

How about we all live in the eternal NOW... ;)

[johnf]

I believe that things are changing a lot, and fast.

[jorr lundstrom]

How about we all live in the eternal NOW... ;)

I really dont know about everybody else.

[meeradas]

Well, at least this:
According to Dadaji (Amiya Roy Chowdhury, i.a. former toy shop owner from Kolkata) we're now in the "last Kali Yuga".
If he was right, this is good news for earth.
"Bad news": He didn't say when it is over...

[davyj0nes]

I lived in a very religious home growing up and I used to believe in the 'end times' as they are currently sold on networks like TBN, and 700 club. I think we all know the story more or less, Europe, the Anti-Christ, the microchip, killing 2/3 of humanity, the millennial reign of Christ, the pre-tribulation rapture. Thankfully, my eyes were open. I don't believe in the 'end times' anymore as the bible has been misinterpreted, mistranslated, and groped by religious conservatives to serve their agenda.

[Fractalius]

Enjoy this song Lisa ;)


oh hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Bxgb608Z4
oh and another question to add!
Who didn't believe in Father Xmas at least initially?
:-D

[9eagle9]

Someone's world ends everyday without most of us noticing....much. Look at the floods in Australia-- loss of homes, livelihood, family, friends,-- everything that one knew one's world to be. Just one example out of many, many. World ending only seems to take on meaning when its a global event? No.Not if we continue living in our own little worlds.

I've often entertained the notion the world would end and no one would notice as we just kept moving along in the little hologram we've created/had created for us.

[plumr2007]

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Here's another question.

Does anyone feel that voting on it will change anything? :) Yes I believe we can Bill. If it is possible for many people to have an effect on a machine like a Random Event Generator then it may be possible for the collective minds of many humans to have an effect on subjective realities. Perhaps we can change any course of events this way. Maybe even get out of our current fear based reality driven by money and greed and become a more spiritual people.

[The Arthen]

Yes I believe we can Bill. If it is possible for many people to have an effect on a machine like a Random Event Generator then it may be possible for the collective minds of many humans to have an effect on subjective realities. Perhaps we can change any course of events this way. Maybe even get out of our current fear based reality driven by money and greed and become a more spiritual people.

That's not what Bill meant. He means that no matter what we think might happen, it doesn't change anything either because of natural or unnatural forces at work that have the power....well least i hope not...

[lisa]

Does anyone feel that voting on it will change anything? :)
Every now and then, there are matter-of-fact posts related to the "end times" (e.g. pole shift, planet x, etc) and there will be unequivocal responses of it being what the dark side want us to believe. I am curious about what people think. Also, I was hoping that people would state factual reasons or sources for siding one way or the other rather than just opinions.

Polls do have the unintended consequence of changing people's views because people tend to want to fit-in and side with the majority.

A lot of people have pre-conceived notions of what the "end times" mean and certain emotions associated with it. It was not long ago that I did not believe in the "end times" because of what Bill said, but something hit me on my head and I connected some dots.

[silentghost80]

the world was suppose to end 100 times already

[maggie]

As young teen I was told in the late 1960's the end was 1970.. Didn't happen as expected, but something did end and something began .( See-- Nixon years for one) I didnt have that understanding for 2000, but something did end and something began (IE-- Agenda 21-- tabled ).. ... Things happen all the time, watch and wait. NO ONE knows when the end will be, that I am sure of. I can be made a fool by thinking otherwise.

[Anchor]

I answered in error. I put No Yes, thinking that the second was to do with my prior opinion on the first question - Now I read it I see that No No should have been the answer to select.

Bum.

[seismorg]

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Here's another question.

Does anyone feel that voting on it will change anything? :)

It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes. !

[plumr2007]

That's not what Bill meant. He means that no matter what we think might happen, it doesn't change anything either because of natural or unnatural forces at work that have the power....well least i hope not...

These forces only have the power that we allow them to have. An example: my mother was diagnosed with cancer many years ago . The doctors told us she had 6 months to live and that we should tell her. My brothers didn't want to tell her so I did. Six months later my mother was dead. Three years ago I was diagnosed with the same type of cancer and was told I wouldn't live through the operation. I am still here and never had any chemo , because I refused to accept the doctor's reality as my own. My mother , God rest her , was a good patient . I was not. After having my kidney , part of my aorta and three ribs removed I made them take me off the morphine in the ICU, because I didn't allow myself to feel any pain. Its all up to you . Stop being a " good " patient.

[MorningLightMountain]

It's the end times for the Illuminati..hehe....cheers..D

[irishspirit]

How can we every be in the end times when we will never end? Body YES that will end. Soul? NEVER!

[wynderer]

here's a clip & a link -- i think these disruptions to planet Earth are what the NWO is building their DUMBS for -- massive Earth changes will seem like the End times -- but it is possible that there are going to be big changes in dimensions --3D & 4D -- i think this would affect our perception of the passage of time

http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/peterr/annex/PhenomenaReported1/PR.html

MIND-BOGGLING PHENOMENA REPORTED by RUSSIAN SCIENTISTS

From an open debate forum that has some postings concerning the earth/solar system changes going on:

http://communities.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=25&t=002164


posted March 01, 2002 06:43


by Drunvalo


Strange things are happening in both outer and inner space. Scientists in Russia, most prominently a man named Dmitriev, are discovering that the Solar System, the sun, and life itself are mutating in totally unprecedented ways.
The Sun

Let's begin with the Sun. The Sun is the center of our Solar System, and all life that is on this Earth came from the Sun. If there were no Sun, we would not be alive. This is simply scientific fact. And so any changes that occur in or on the Sun will eventually affect every person alive. The solar activity during this last sunspot cycle was greater than anything ever seen before. Yet every astronomer that I talked to about this except one insisted that everything was "normal." That one person, who worked at NASA, claimed that what was going on within the Sun was absolutely incredible. She also said that she was not "allowed" to talk about it. But she talked anyway, because she felt that the world needed to know, but at the same time she asked that I not publicly discuss what she had said. Sort of a Catch-22. So the photo at left is just a hint (click on it for a larger view). It's a recent picture of the Sun from, I believe, the year 2000, showing multiple sunspots ringing the sun on the two latitudes of 19.48 north and south. Some of you will see the significance of this much energy's being emitted at this particular location.

So let's look at the obvious question: What is normal? For scientists, the idea of "normal" is based on making a long-term study, then averaging the results. But in the case of the Sun, we have been studying it for only about a 100 years — and it was not until the last half of the 20th century that the study was done with instruments that could be considered especially accurate. And so, since the Sun is at least 4.5 billion years old, our 100- or 50-year study of it is equivalent to writing about the final one or two seconds in the life of a man or woman who lived for 100 years. Would you consider that biography reliable? We actually know nothing about the Sun that would enable us to say what is "normal."

We do know, however, that the Sun's magnetic field has changed in the last 100 years. There's a study by Dr. Mike Lockwood from Rutherford Appleton National Laboratories, in California. Dr. Lockwood has been investigating the Sun, and reports that since 1901 the overall magnetic field of the Sun has become stronger by 230 percent. No one knows what that truly means; it's only an observation. And we do know that some of the sunspot activity in this last cycle was greater than anything ever recorded before in history. But we don't know what that means, either.

The Solar System

Then comes the information out of Russia last month, from the Russian National Academy of Science in Siberia, where scientists have come to the conclusion that we have moved into an area of space that is different and has a much higher energy level.

The Russians are reporting changes that are being recorded in space that have never been seen before. We cannot verify this information "for certain," but we do know that the scientific body reporting it is real, and that a Dr. Dmitriev does head this body. Also, I have personally been before the Russian National Academy of Science, in Moscow. Speaking for the Academy in Siberia, Dr. Dmitriev says that the effects reported below have been observed (these are not quotes from Dr. Dmitriev, but extracts from his report).

Changes to the Leading Edge of the Heliosphere

The Sun itself has a magnetic field, and that magnetic field creates an "egg" around the Solar System that is known as the "heliosphere." The heliosphere is shaped like a teardrop, with the long, thin end of the drop pointing away from the direction in which we're traveling. The Russians have looked at the leading edge of this heliosphere, and they have observed glowing, excited plasma energy there. The Sun's heliosphere used to be 10 astronomical units deep (an astronomical unit is the distance from the Earth to the Sun, approximately 93 million miles) — 10 astronomical units was the "normal" thickness of this glowing energy that we used to see at the front end of the Solar System.

Today, Dr. Dmitriev says that this glowing energy is now 100 astronomical units deep.

The Russian National Academy of Sciences doesn't give us a time-line, but the change from what was known and accepted to the way it is now represents a 1000 percent increase. And the Russians say that this change in the Sun is changing how the planets function and what kind of life they could support. They even report — but don't explain — that the DNA spiral itself is altering. They feel that the continued expansion of the heliosphere will eventually take us into a new level of energy, that there will probably be a sudden expansion of the basic harmonic wavelengths that the Sun emits as it radiates energy out of itself, and that this increase in energy emission will change the basic nature of all matter in the Solar System. That's a pretty bold statement, but it's followed by data to back it up:

The atmospheres of five of the planets and the Earth's moon are changing.

When the United States landed on the moon in 1969, it found no atmosphere. Since then, the earth's moon is growing an atmosphere that wasn't there before, made up of a compound that Dr. Dmitriev refers to as "Natrium." This new atmosphere is now 6,000 kilometers deep.

The earth's atmosphere in the upper levels is forming HO gas that was not there before. It simply did not exist in the quantity that it does now. The Russians say it's not related to global warming and it's not related to CFCs or fluorocarbon emissions or anything like that. It's just showing up.

The Martian atmosphere is getting sizably thicker than it was before. The Mars Observer probe in 1997 lost one of its mirrors, which caused it to crash. This happened because the atmosphere was about twice as dense as NASA had calculated. Basically, the wind on that little mirror was so high that it blew it right off.

The atmospheres of Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune also are changing, according to the Russians, but they didn't explain.

The brightness of the planets is changing.

Venus is showing marked increases in its overall brightness.

Jupiter's energetic charge has risen so high that there is actually a visible tube of ionizing radiation that's formed between the surface of Jupiter and its moon Io. You can actually see the luminous energy tube in photographs that have been taken recently.

Uranus and Neptune also are becoming brighter.

The magnetic fields are changing.

[jack]

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Here's another question.

Does anyone feel that voting on it will change anything? :)

Yes. I do.

Careful what you believe in these days ;)

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By the end times if you mean the end of time... That sounds pretty plausible judging by the huge speeding up in time (perception?) that we are experiencing.

[jack]

I feel that there will be as many realities as there are people, very soon.

[vericocha]

The end of time as we know it, maybe. The dawn of a new era for humanity, seems likely. The end of the world, no.

It was never ' The end of the world' It was always the end of an ERA and the beginning of a new one. We have a very resilient planet. Of course though it is all Maya, an illusion.

[Peace of Mind]

Plumr2007, It is always refreshing to see people take their power back....If only we can get everyone to believe in themselves again.


Peace

[plumr2007]

I think we all know inherently what is right for us individually. When someone is desperately trying to get you to believe something, then you can bet your bottom dollar that it is for their benefit and not yours. Peace.

[Banshee]

That's not what Bill meant. He means that no matter what we think might happen, it doesn't change anything either because of natural or unnatural forces at work that have the power....well least i hope not...

If we (collective) believe that, then perhaps they do.