Iran has gone intercontinental

[Mashika]

As people focus on China's possible future war, i feel the need to tell you about this

Iran has become an intercontinental army

What does that mean?

Countries that want to invade other countries, need ships to take a few things over the ocean, like food, ammo, tanks, guns, people etc etc etc

Currently, there are only a few countries that can do that, the usual ones, the US, France, the UK, Russia, Germany and a few others. *China is not one of those*

China could have a million or two ready for combat soldiers, but they lack one thing, logistics and boats to take them over to the other side of the world

Iran managed to do that just few days ago, but this won't be on your news, for sure

Taking tanks or boats or planes or anything at all to another country, requires fuel, and advanced capabilities like radar and destroyer boats that can protect the resources you are carrying over across the world. China can't and don't have the logistic, tech to do that yet, as much as they have money, it is a 'defensive army" still, which means they are ready to fight back, but not to attack in the first place

Iran is both now

I think people are not realizing it. China wants to take down the US? For sure, is not a why but a when, question

But Iran has already developed the tech to get there, while China is playing the slow game of "let them go down themselves, we'll just take over the land once they are gone"

[DeDukshyn]

As people focus on China's possible future war, i feel the need to tell you about this

Iran has become an intercontinental army

What does that mean?

Countries that want to invade other countries, need ships to take a few things over the ocean, like food, ammo, tanks, guns, people etc etc etc

Currently, there are only a few countries that can do that, the usual ones, the US, France, the UK, Russia, Germany and a few others. *China is not one of those*

China could have a million or two ready for combat soldiers, but they lack one thing, logistics and boats to take them over to the other side of the world

Iran managed to do that just few days ago, but this won't be on your news, for sure

Taking tanks or boats or planes or anything at all to another country, requires fuel, and advanced capabilities like radar and destroyer boats that can protect the resources you are carrying over across the world. China can't and don't have the logistic, tech to do that yet, as much as they have money, it is a 'defensive army" still, which means they are ready to fight back, but not to attack in the first place

Iran is both now

I think people are not realizing it. China wants to take down the US? For sure, is not a why but a when, question

But Iran has already developed the tech to get there, while China is playing the slow game of "let them go down themselves, we'll just take over the land once they are gone"

China has an advantage ... its communist government. It doesn't have to limit planning to four year increments like most democracies do and then have much of what was done in that four years be undone by the opposing party in the following four.

China can make a 30 year plan and hold to it. The USA does not have that luxury just because of they way their democracy is run. However, that said I believe this is how the military and the state (in the US and perhaps other countries) have become somewhat distinct entities in the US -- to try to get around some of that limitation that communist and dictatorship countries do not have.

China definitely plays the "slow games" - likely understanding well, this advantage.

[Mashika]

China has an advantage ... its communist government. It doesn't have to limit planning to four year increments like most democracies do and then have much of what was done in that four years be undone by the opposing party in the following four.

I always thought the 4 year thing was bad, you can't get anything done at all, and then the few things you got done, are removed if the other party wins... Why are there only two parties in the first place, and totally opposite, it's not even making any sense.. "I'll just destroy whatever the other guy did, out of pure hate for them"



China can make a 30 year plan and hold to it. The USA does not have that luxury just because of they way their democracy is run. However, that said I believe this is how the military and the state (in the US and perhaps other countries) have become somewhat distinct entities in the US -- to try to get around some of that limitation that communist and dictatorship countries do not have.

China definitely plays the "slow games" - likely understanding well, this advantage.
Countries like Germany have a system that allows them to have a PM for way more than that, like 20 years. I think it works fine, Russia has a similar one, but the US calls it "regime", lol

[thepainterdoug]

Mashika/ so true as with the dope Biden undoing all good done before him. Wall being built. wall already paid for. we do have a border, so why not enforce it? But biden stops building it? well hes not in charge anyhow, but you get what im saying.
Just children in the sandbox, ego and righteousness .

on Iran, heres what comes to my mind. It all doesnt matter. Because on the E T TOPIC, this world is already in compliance with the USA.
This is evident because no other major country will come out with full disclosure first. Certainly, ET sightings and visitations are not only for USA. So if other countries werent together on this with the USA , then they would disclose.
But they dont! so its a game and a con. The war con, to keep all us minions in fear of what happens next.

hey , if you have tactical nukes, who cares what country has what?

[Mashika]

You should look into the "cauldrons" in Syberia, they are still there

Maybe that's why we don't hear much about "UAP" things up here :)

Lots of stuff happening as a "me vs you" started there, just look it up. Have a nice trip



Mashika/ so true as with the dope Biden undoing all good done before him. Wall being built. wall already paid for. we do have a border, so why not enforce it? But biden stops building it? well hes not in charge anyhow, but you get what im saying.
Just children in the sandbox, ego and righteousness .

on Iran, heres what comes to my mind. It all doesnt matter. Because on the E T TOPIC, this world is already in compliance with the USA.
This is evident because no other major country will come out with full disclosure first. Certainly, ET sightings and visitations are not only for USA. So if other countries werent together on this with the USA , then they would disclose.
But they dont! so its a game and a con. The war con, to keep all us minions in fear of what happens next.

hey , if you have tactical nukes, who cares what country has what?

Oh, Iran has a bit of more nuclear power than you all think, ask where the rest of the bombs from Ukraine went after the USSR dissolved, they reported around 3000 nuclear bombs and all the enriched uranium sent back to Russia, we have that in storage, you know? But it doesn't belong to us, however! The Ukrainian republic had about 5000 nuclear bombs, and nuclear capable airplanes, go look into that and see if you can find any records of what happened to the other 2000 bombs... But think first :)

[Mashika]

Oh and also look into where Mexico's enriched uranium, the one that was enough to build around 10 nuclear bombs went to. But i will give you a tremendous not *behind the news* hint. It went to Israel

And also look into what happened with the Mexican build up of nuclear power, they were the third nuclear power in the world, suddenly they disappear from the world stage, but they did had a ballistic missile program going into the late 80's, early 90's or so, and then, it also suddenly went away with no explanation, along with all the uranium. The explanation was "we spent it all in other research"

And no country in the world asked the obvious questions? "Other research" What do you even mean...



Mashika/ so true as with the dope Biden undoing all good done before him. Wall being built. wall already paid for. we do have a border, so why not enforce it? But biden stops building it? well hes not in charge anyhow, but you get what im saying.
Just children in the sandbox, ego and righteousness .

on Iran, heres what comes to my mind. It all doesnt matter. Because on the E T TOPIC, this world is already in compliance with the USA.
This is evident because no other major country will come out with full disclosure first. Certainly, ET sightings and visitations are not only for USA. So if other countries werent together on this with the USA , then they would disclose.
But they dont! so its a game and a con. The war con, to keep all us minions in fear of what happens next.

hey , if you have tactical nukes, who cares what country has what?

[thepainterdoug]

very interesting Mashika. I dont have the answers. All I am saying is if all countries have one big unified collective agreement about the ultimate topic ET, then we all are , "co operating".

so co operating on one level, and threatening destroying each other on another?.i dont need 2000 nukes to hit my area NY. only one and i post no more

[Mashika]

very interesting Mashika. I dont have the answers. All I am saying is if all countries have one big unified collective agreement about the ultimate topic ET, then we all are , "co operating".

so co operating on one level, and threatening destroying each other on another?.i dont need 2000 nukes to hit my area NY. only one and i post no more

I'm thinking that you should ask your government if they have 10 or more silos in Mexico that could be taken over and strike the US at any time, by a hack from China that will take over the US hidden nuclear system they built around Mexico in the past 40 years or so, and you should also ask your government what they did with the enriched uranium that Mexico has, because it's "missing on action"

Just recently there was news about a possible nuclear attack on the US land, by an "unknown enemy"

Where.Is.The.Mexican.Nuclear.Capable.Enriched.Uranium.That.No.One.Is.Able.To.Track... And where are the ballistic missiles that suddenly turned into dust, that Mexico had 30 years ago?

Read this



In April 2010, the Mexican government reportedly reached an agreement to turn over its highly enriched uranium to the United States.[3][4] The US would help convert highly enriched uranium stored at Mexican research facilities into a less enriched form unsuitable for weapons, thus eliminating all highly enriched uranium in Mexico.[9] Later in March 2012 Rachel Maddow reported that all highly enriched uranium had been removed from Mexico.[10][11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

No seriously! Because we all know the world government is always truthful!

[Mashika]

How is it possible that a country has enriched uranium to build 10 nuclear bombs, and enough tech to build the silos and the rockets to deliver those bombs and destroy the entire wolrd, and no one wonders and asks "Where is the uranium? What did you do with those rockets? Are you really saying that you eat it up in some research, what research was that?"

Are we that dumb?

[Denise/Dizi]

It has been long known that the larger countries that are usually posturing for the threats of war, are generally just using eachother as a "Foil" or reflective mirror to enlarge their budgets to accomplish other things under the guise of "Suggestions of destruction..."

Feeding a financial war machine is the easiest thing to get any country behind... Tell them the neighbors want to attack and everyone wants to know what they will do to protect the masses. Really it is that simple.

With the technology we have these days, truly the bombs of yesteryear, while still sometimes wielded, are archaic. They have more modern technology that can take out bad guys before they reach their weapons. Stop them in their tracks, and that's no joke.

Here is the thing about nuclear weapons... The more that go off, the more pollution in the atmosphere. No one wants radioactive fallout to get swept with the winds into their neighborhood. The threat of such things are like pounding a drum designed to scare the little guys.. And remind us that war drum exists. I wouldn't worry too much about this. If it is indeed a threat, those that need to know such things, obviously do already and are dealing with it in some way.

[Mashika]

There is only one thing about that

Thermonuclear bombs, also known as the H-bomb

Those are designed to destroy life, but leave the land intact. After a few days, the radiation goes away, those bombs do not explode like normal old style one did, instead, the explosion is minimal, but there is a tremendous amount of radiation that covers a very big area, killing every living thing around. Then the decay comes, the radiation goes away and the buildings, parks and streets, everything, remains perfectly safe and normal for people to occupy

Current countries that have that kind of weapon:

Russia, France, US, UK and China (but they say the don't)




It has been long known that the larger countries that are usually posturing for the threats of war, are generally just using eachother as a "Foil" or reflective mirror to enlarge their budgets to accomplish other things under the guise of "Suggestions of destruction..."

Feeding a financial war machine is the easiest thing to get any country behind... Tell them the neighbors want to attack and everyone wants to know what they will do to protect the masses. Really it is that simple.

With the technology we have these days, truly the bombs of yesteryear, while still sometimes wielded, are archaic. They have more modern technology that can take out bad guys before they reach their weapons. Stop them in their tracks, and that's no joke.

Here is the thing about nuclear weapons... The more that go off, the more pollution in the atmosphere. No one wants radioactive fallout to get swept with the winds into their neighborhood. The threat of such things are like pounding a drum designed to scare the little guys.. And remind us that war drum exists. I wouldn't worry too much about this. If it is indeed a threat, those that need to know such things, obviously do already and are dealing with it in some way.

[Justplain]

Mashika, the bomb that leaves the real estate intact is the neutron bomb, not the H bomb. The hbomb has the worst environmental impact of all bombs, I believe.

The thing about Iran is that they don't seem all that militarily capable. A few decades ago they fought Iraq to a draw in a war that killed over a million. Iraq had little to defend a few years later in the first gulf war, let alone the second.

Also, it seems Israel is able to penetrate Iranian airspace with their f-35 squadron.

Sorry, but Iran doesn't inspire fear other than maybe sponsoring a terrorist dirty bomb, as mentioned above.

Although I hate how the Americans interfere with almost everyone's affairs, Iran is one regime I think the world would be better off without. Same with North Korea and Venezuela. It's to bad the nonaligned movement has sagged in recent times. Although I'd like to see the communists out of China, they seem reasonable compared to those other regimes. If only Russia, Brazil and India could provide more alternate leadership. That doesn't seem coming seeing as how quickly they complied with the covid scamdemic.

[Mashika]

Very correct about the neutron bomb, i made a mistake there, thank you!

Iran doesn't look very capable, "by design"

Middle east is a very weird situation

See this for example, when Iraq when to war with the US, they sent all their advanced and very capable planes to guess who.. Iran...

Why would Iraq send all their most powerful planes to Iran, in advance of the war with the US? And being Iran an enemy of Iraq?

Thought for food, or food for Thought?

Some few days ago, an F-35 plane went into Russian air space, and implemented a system to "blind" the radars and russian navy, it failed and it was tracked and marked by the hypersonic missiles the navy has around that place. The F-35 had to skip out of the place as soon as it could

I'm interested in something, can you find me a news article about this situation, that comes from western media?


It was a typical "two way strategy", otherwise as "if you can see me, i can see you too"

But it showed a few things the US did not liked to expose, about that plane...

Venezuela was one of the most rich countries in the world, until the US imposed sanctions on them to turn them into a poor country, just because they said "we are going to sell you the oil, but not going to give you rights to exploit our land as if it was your land"

Now the US says "see? Venezuela is so poor because they are socialists!" No mister good cop, Venezuela is poor because you put a cop on the entrance of their business that breaks the necks of every person that comes around to buy something from them. So they can't sell and go poor. Please be an adult about it, this is real life, people are dying because of it



Mashika, the bomb that leaves the real estate intact is the neutron bomb, not the H bomb. The hbomb has the worst environmental impact of all bombs, I believe.

The thing about Iran is that they don't seem all that militarily capable. A few decades ago they fought Iraq to a draw in a war that killed over a million. Iraq had little to defend a few years later in the first gulf war, let alone the second.

Also, it seems Israel is able to penetrate Iranian airspace with their f-35 squadron.

Sorry, but Iran doesn't inspire fear other than maybe sponsoring a terrorist dirty bomb, as mentioned above.

Although I hate how the Americans interfere with almost everyone's affairs, Iran is one regime I think the world would be better off without. Same with North Korea and Venezuela. It's to bad the nonaligned movement has sagged in recent times. Although I'd like to see the communists out of China, they seem reasonable compared to those other regimes. If only Russia, Brazil and India could provide more alternate leadership. That doesn't seem coming seeing as how quickly they complied with the covid scamdemic.

[Mashika]

If you want hard facts, i can give you some, but you are not going to like them, just ask and you will be provided. But again, you are not going to like them



Mashika, the bomb that leaves the real estate intact is the neutron bomb, not the H bomb. The hbomb has the worst environmental impact of all bombs, I believe.

The thing about Iran is that they don't seem all that militarily capable. A few decades ago they fought Iraq to a draw in a war that killed over a million. Iraq had little to defend a few years later in the first gulf war, let alone the second.

Also, it seems Israel is able to penetrate Iranian airspace with their f-35 squadron.

Sorry, but Iran doesn't inspire fear other than maybe sponsoring a terrorist dirty bomb, as mentioned above.

Although I hate how the Americans interfere with almost everyone's affairs, Iran is one regime I think the world would be better off without. Same with North Korea and Venezuela. It's to bad the nonaligned movement has sagged in recent times. Although I'd like to see the communists out of China, they seem reasonable compared to those other regimes. If only Russia, Brazil and India could provide more alternate leadership. That doesn't seem coming seeing as how quickly they complied with the covid scamdemic.

[Denise/Dizi]

The Global F-35 Enterprise
There are eight international program partners — the U.S., United Kingdom, Italy, Netherlands, Australia, Norway, Denmark and Canada. Six Foreign Military Sales customers are also procuring and operating the F-35 — Israel, Japan, South Korea, Poland, Belgium and Singapore.

F-35 Global Partnership | Lockheed Martin

It would seem that there are many militaries equipped with the F-35, and many do work together in some capacities. Including those listed above... I will look up that fly over and see if I can share something from America about the incident. I was unaware of it. I rarely watch the news anymore as most of it is hype or lies to steer paranoia and fear these days.

to be continued....

Mashika- do you believe that your media is honest with the Russian masses? That they tell the truth in all matters that arise? While I am aware that each country tends to share their take on any issue, I doubt that any media is completely honest with the masses for many reasons. One to cover their own actions, another to stop data from leaking to possible hostile countries, etc...

I would love to hear what they're saying in Russia about many things... This one included. I will go look for it.

In the meantime I did find this that apparently happened 6 days ago

apparently some of the titles seem misleading.

a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cWiFA8Jpt0ccording to youtube...


and I found this which suggested Israel flew theirs into Iran.. Which was mentioned above.

and this which happened 3 years ago..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLthvSj5VRA

And this which I found interesting...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NqruzmKJKI

If true, this is huge, if put out there to raise tensions in the masses, it would work!


When did the F-35 enter Russian airspace and who was flying it? USA? Or Isreal? So I can look for the video...

I did find this... if it is what you are speaking about...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP9BinjsSVE

I am not sure if they allow these videos in Russia, and vice versa as both countries would be wise to only let us see what they want us to know.

[shaberon]

Iran might go for Israel or KSA or both, however even if they may not, it is certainly in their best interest to have a credible projection of threat.

I have not followed this stuff very much recently since one of the non-western sites I liked quit updating.

I was wondering when Greece was going to open Port Piraeus and essentially cut off Rotterdam as a destination for Suez traffic.

It was not that long ago we did not get a very good description of what a handful of Iranian missiles do to a compound which received the courtesy of an advanced warning. Afterwards, there were some withdrawals, put it that way.

[Justplain]

Mashika, I can handle hard facts. I know that the f-35 and f22 was tracked by turkey with their Russian missile defense system recently. I think the American military is aware of this issue. But Israel was able to penetrate Iranian airspace with their f35s because Iran has an older version of the Russian missile defense system, and perhaps even their pass codes somehow (?).

By the way, China is the biggest threat to the west except perhaps Russia. China has the largest navy in the world by number of ships, and is rapidly upgrading it's maritime offensive abilities, with the focus of invading Taiwan and China's neighbours in the South China Sea. China may not have the nuclear submarine fleet that Russia boasts but it does have some. And they also have proven intercontinental ballistic missile capabilities.

I'm not one to cast support to American foreign policy. Venezuela, Libya and Syria were countries with thriving economies prior to American interference. What you might find, if you search, tho, is that the maduro regime is about as repressive as the communists in China, or worst. This doesn't justify sanctions, which may partly have caused these misbehaviours, but the picture is not pretty in Venezuela.

Iran could harbour all this Ukrainian nukes that you imply. However, I think for all these despots world over, the MAD deterent is what seems to keep everyone in line. Mutually Assured Destruction is an effective deterrent.

Funny, supposed 'enemies' are apparently closely cooperating in the secret space program. Just as they all seem to like the totalitarianism of medical scamdemics. Next it'll be climate change.

The drummer is cracking the whip on all of them toward one world government and tyranny. Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China, USA, UK, EU, etc., are all gladly being corralled into a UN dystopia of transhumanism.

I can provide you with hard facts on that, if you want.

[Mashika]

Mashika, I can handle hard facts. I know that the f-35 and f22 was tracked by turkey with their Russian missile defense system recently.


This happened on the black sea, not on the middle east

You guys don't know about it because, as usual, these things are not reported to you *anywhere*



I think the American military is aware of this issue. But Israel was able to penetrate Iranian airspace with their f35s because Iran has an older version of the Russian missile defense system, and perhaps even their pass codes somehow (?).

They do have an older version, what you are not told is this, that older version, can track and take down the F-35, as long as it's within a range, so the US has requested Turkey to not deploy the S-400. Because they know *it can take down the F-35* and then no one will buy that plane, and you don't even get what the S-500 can do..

Taiwan, is China, the current China government was imposed though a coup organized with US help in the 70's, the actual real government of China went to take refuge on Taiwan!

The US wanted the government in Taiwan to die away! And supported the criminal Chinese military coup!

The current "official Chinese government" is a military one created after a coup lead by the US that later turned wrong and now they support the government they actually planned to take down in the first place!

*know your history!*




By the way, China is the biggest threat to the west except perhaps Russia. China has the largest navy in the world by number of ships, and is rapidly upgrading it's maritime offensive abilities, with the he focus of invading Taiwan and China's neighbours in the South China Sea. China may not have the nuclear submarine fleet that Russia boasts but it does have some. And they also have proven intercontinental ballistic missile capabilities.

I'm not one to cast support to American foreign policy. Venezuela, Libya and Syria were countries with thriving economies prior to American interference. What you might find, if you search, tho, is that the maduro regime is about as repressive as the communists in China, or worst. This doesn't justify sanctions, which may partly have caused these misbehaviours, but the picture is not pretty in Venezuela.

Iran could harbour all this Ukrainian nukes that you imply. However, I think for all these despots world over, the MAD deferent is what seems to keep everyone in line. Mutually Assured Destruction is an effective deterrent.

Funny, supposed 'enemies' are apparently closely cooperating in the secret space program. Just as they all seem to like the totalitarianism of medical scamdemics. Next it'll be climate change.

The drummer is cracking the whip on all of them toward one world government and tyranny. Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China, USA, UK, EU, etc., are all gladly being corralled into a UN dystopia of transhumanism.

I can provide you with hard facts on that, if you want.

[Justplain]

Mashika, the Chinese nationist party retreated to Taiwan in 1949 when Mao led the Red Army to victory. Taiwan wasn't originally democratic but went that way over thirty years ago or more. The only 'coup' that I know of in communist China was the shift to controlled capitatlism by the leader after mao (can't name his name). As far as I am concerned the communist government in Beijing has no more legitimate claim on Taiwan than it does on Tibet or the South China Sea.

Any dictatorship has no legitimate claim to anything.

There was a guy who is out there who claims to know the secrets of the second world war, like that japan actually won. I dunno, some strange claims can be made of things.

[Mashika]

I'ts impossible so it seems, i don't think you will find any news about it, just like a couple days ago there was news about a Russian submarine tracking down a nuclear aircraft carrier that was close to Russian waters. Look it up, you won't see a thing about it, as well

But check this
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/07/22/air-force-will-get-f-35-jets-denied-turkey-after-russian-missile-buy.html

And this is why the US doesn't want to sell the F-35 to countries like Turkey, because they have the S-400, and soon, as it seems the S-500

Check channels like this, these are not "common" but you do think about it, you'll see things you wont' see normaly on other places

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The Global F-35 Enterprise
There are eight international program partners — the U.S., United Kingdom, Italy, Netherlands, Australia, Norway, Denmark and Canada. Six Foreign Military Sales customers are also procuring and operating the F-35 — Israel, Japan, South Korea, Poland, Belgium and Singapore.

F-35 Global Partnership | Lockheed Martin

It would seem that there are many militaries equipped with the F-35, and many do work together in some capacities. Including those listed above... I will look up that fly over and see if I can share something from America about the incident. I was unaware of it. I rarely watch the news anymore as most of it is hype or lies to steer paranoia and fear these days.

to be continued....

Mashika- do you believe that your media is honest with the Russian masses? That they tell the truth in all matters that arise? While I am aware that each country tends to share their take on any issue, I doubt that any media is completely honest with the masses for many reasons. One to cover their own actions, another to stop data from leaking to possible hostile countries, etc...

I would love to hear what they're saying in Russia about many things... This one included. I will go look for it.

In the meantime I did find this that apparently happened 6 days ago

apparently some of the titles seem misleading.

a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cWiFA8Jpt0ccording to youtube...


and I found this which suggested Israel flew theirs into Iran.. Which was mentioned above.

and this which happened 3 years ago..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLthvSj5VRA

And this which I found interesting...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NqruzmKJKI

If true, this is huge, if put out there to raise tensions in the masses, it would work!


When did the F-35 enter Russian airspace and who was flying it? USA? Or Isreal? So I can look for the video...

I did find this... if it is what you are speaking about...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP9BinjsSVE

I am not sure if they allow these videos in Russia, and vice versa as both countries would be wise to only let us see what they want us to know.

[Mashika]

"The red army" was disbanded around 1937 or so...

If you don't know about the coup that US designed in the 70's, well...



Mashika, the Chinese nationist party retreated to Taiwan in 1949 when Mao led the Red Army to victory. Taiwan wasn't originally democratic but went that way over thirty years ago or more. The only 'coup' that I know of in communist China was the shift to controlled capitatlism by the leader after mao (can't name his name). As far as I am concerned the communist government in Beijing has no more legitimate claim on Taiwan than it does on Tibet or the South China Sea.

Any dictatorship has no legitimate claim to anything.

There was a guy who is out there who claims to know the secrets of the second world war, like that japan actually won. I dunno, some strange claims can be made of things.

[Mashika]

The Global F-35 Enterprise
There are eight international program partners — the U.S., United Kingdom, Italy, Netherlands, Australia, Norway, Denmark and Canada. Six Foreign Military Sales customers are also procuring and operating the F-35 — Israel, Japan, South Korea, Poland, Belgium and Singapore.

F-35 Global Partnership | Lockheed Martin

It would seem that there are many militaries equipped with the F-35, and many do work together in some capacities. Including those listed above... I will look up that fly over and see if I can share something from America about the incident. I was unaware of it. I rarely watch the news anymore as most of it is hype or lies to steer paranoia and fear these days.

to be continued....

Mashika- do you believe that your media is honest with the Russian masses? That they tell the truth in all matters that arise? While I am aware that each country tends to share their take on any issue, I doubt that any media is completely honest with the masses for many reasons. One to cover their own actions, another to stop data from leaking to possible hostile countries, etc...

I would love to hear what they're saying in Russia about many things... This one included. I will go look for it.

In the meantime I did find this that apparently happened 6 days ago

apparently some of the titles seem misleading.

a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cWiFA8Jpt0ccording to youtube...


and I found this which suggested Israel flew theirs into Iran.. Which was mentioned above.

and this which happened 3 years ago..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLthvSj5VRA

And this which I found interesting...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NqruzmKJKI

If true, this is huge, if put out there to raise tensions in the masses, it would work!


When did the F-35 enter Russian airspace and who was flying it? USA? Or Isreal? So I can look for the video...

I did find this... if it is what you are speaking about...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP9BinjsSVE

I am not sure if they allow these videos in Russia, and vice versa as both countries would be wise to only let us see what they want us to know.

I can see them all, there's no restriction really, here, restrictions are more like "you can talk about it all you want, but, can you handle the consequences?" Unlike the US version of "don't even try,"

Mainstrem media in Russia, is as corrupted as in any other country, it's ridiculous sometimes. Just an equal to any other media across the world, they just play the fools

[Mashika]

Iran might go for Israel or KSA or both, however even if they may not, it is certainly in their best interest to have a credible projection of threat.

I have not followed this stuff very much recently since one of the non-western sites I liked quit updating.

I was wondering when Greece was going to open Port Piraeus and essentially cut off Rotterdam as a destination for Suez traffic.

It was not that long ago we did not get a very good description of what a handful of Iranian missiles do to a compound which received the courtesy of an advanced warning. Afterwards, there were some withdrawals, put it that way.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=46967&d=1626070817

[Journeyman]

I regard most of this news as posturing, because there's been a world govt in place for much longer than most realise. The same hand is operating both sides.

That said, on Iran. They are still operating Shah era Tomahawks. I think it unlikely that they've developed true force projection capacity. Maybe they could do something, but they'd need assistance from another military if they were to stop their ships falling victim to subs or missiles.

On 'stealth' fighters. The real level of stealth that can be achieved or the effectiveness of any particular radar system is a military secret. There will be disinfo on both sides, with one talking up the effectiveness of the radar, the other dismissing it. However, its important to note that they are not invisible to radar. The stealth profile and (more significant) the coatings reduce a radar signal, they don't eliminate it. So the only thing you'd be talking about would be the distance at which it can be tracked and how effective that tracking is in real world scenario.

The other point in a modern engagement is that one objective of the attacking airforce is for you to turn your super duper high power, highly effective radar on, because that's the point that it can in turn be engaged. If the stealth planes force you to use that radar you then tell the enemy where you are and the HARM missiles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM) are on the way.

That's not to say that the F35 may not be an expensive mistake. I've sometimes thought about the 'networked' F35's and a scene in the Battlestar Galactica remake from about 15 years ago or so. The Colonial pilots rush to meet the attacking cylons getting into their new updated, networked, Vipers and as they engage the enemy, all the controls go dead and they sit helpless as they're picked off one by one. In the show the software designer, Baltar, has been compromised by a Cylon agent. The colonial world's hubris and overconfidence in their technology is fatally exposed and it's destruction ensues. If the entire thing is an allegory for the US and China then maybe some poor pilots in F35's are going to find the controls don't work....

[lizhekb]

Mashika, the Chinese nationist party retreated to Taiwan in 1949 when Mao led the Red Army to victory. Taiwan wasn't originally democratic but went that way over thirty years ago or more. The only 'coup' that I know of in communist China was the shift to controlled capitatlism by the leader after mao (can't name his name). As far as I am concerned the communist government in Beijing has no more legitimate claim on Taiwan than it does on Tibet or the South China Sea.

Any dictatorship has no legitimate claim to anything.

There was a guy who is out there who claims to know the secrets of the second world war, like that japan actually won. I dunno, some strange claims can be made of things.

Does Canadian government have legitimate claim on all the land it controls? It seems that the land was stolen from the native people and the issue is still not settled well yet.

About Taiwan, most of the governments in the world do not recognize it as a "country" and they acknowledge it is part of China. That's why the Canadian government only establishes a trade office in Taiwan, not embassy or consulate. So as many countries do.

It is a trick that government plays.

The real super power is in search of its next "enemy", cause war means money and they are good at it.

[lizhekb]

I regard most of this news as posturing, because there's been a world govt in place for much longer than most realise. The same hand is operating both sides.

That said, on Iran. They are still operating Shah era Tomahawks. I think it unlikely that they've developed true force projection capacity. Maybe they could do something, but they'd need assistance from another military if they were to stop their ships falling victim to subs or missiles.

On 'stealth' fighters. The real level of stealth that can be achieved or the effectiveness of any particular radar system is a military secret. There will be disinfo on both sides, with one talking up the effectiveness of the radar, the other dismissing it. However, its important to note that they are not invisible to radar. The stealth profile and (more significant) the coatings reduce a radar signal, they don't eliminate it. So the only thing you'd be talking about would be the distance at which it can be tracked and how effective that tracking is in real world scenario.

The other point in a modern engagement is that one objective of the attacking airforce is for you to turn your super duper high power, highly effective radar on, because that's the point that it can in turn be engaged. If the stealth planes force you to use that radar you then tell the enemy where you are and the HARM missiles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM) are on the way.

That's not to say that the F35 may not be an expensive mistake. I've sometimes thought about the 'networked' F35's and a scene in the Battlestar Galactica remake from about 15 years ago or so. The Colonial pilots rush to meet the attacking cylons getting into their new updated, networked, Vipers and as they engage the enemy, all the controls go dead and they sit helpless as they're picked off one by one. In the show the software designer, Baltar, has been compromised by a Cylon agent. The colonial world's hubris and overconfidence in their technology is fatally exposed and it's destruction ensues. If the entire thing is an allegory for the US and China then maybe some poor pilots in F35's are going to find the controls don't work....

If we change all the names from "party" "nation" "country" to Company, then everything start making sense.

In a business world, there is no real enemy or opposition, only profit. How many phony wars we have had so far?

[Denise/Dizi]

When looking at such things, if it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable. They're still showing jets and planes that are quick, I will give them that, but they are certainly not showing what they really have. So I believe that just as others have said, they are posturing. And giving us something "News worthy"..

Awhile back there was a big fuss in America when the military was out in the ocean over here doing exercises, and China somehow got involved as well..

The truth is that quite often militaries from around the world train together. And they even enter the soil of foreign countries to do so. I believe the thought process is that indeed we are one planet, and if something came to fight us, it would be prudent to be able to band together and deal with the issues.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yeqq6LTY4Q

People forget that we have the UN. And if they really look into the charter of the United Nations, they will find that there are documents that suggest that we have already essentially joined a One World Government.. And while we have, each nation is still autonomous in the daily operations of their respective countries, but if need be, we would join as one force to tackle a larger threat.

The UN has a Bill of Rights, just Like the American Constitution. etc...

We had soldiers all over America training with American soldiers a few years ago. And people got nervous suggesting we were training soldiers to invade our country.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCGZ5gBbrbw

The truth is, a strong military wouldn't tell the masses what they're truly doing, in order to keep an upper hand in a field of operation. Nor would they show their hand with their finest technologies...

So, while I watch videos, and look things up, I do not believe it all....