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ExomatrixTV

17th July 2021, 12:08

UFOs & Christians the Hypocrisy Paradox

Millions believe in God but never saw "Him" ... Millions worldwide saw/experience genuine UFOs and know 100% what they experienced ... are still called: "believers" not experiences/knowers.

It is "okay" to believe a man walked over water and having a "Talking Snake" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpents_in_the_Bible) in the Garden of Eden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden) etc. etc. ... but the same who claim that say it is "not okay" to ponder if UFO's and their occupants throughout human history influenced almost all Religions on our planet.

Any generalization for or against is not doing justice to the full spectrum of the truth.

Everybody can find echo-chambers of your own bias ... not hard to do ... especially when (personal) fears and genuine worries are involved "about the other" being "deceived" ... this projected assumption can also be part of a deception agenda without realizing it.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 01 of 06:

https://incredibilia.ro/wp-content/uploads/4.-Fresca-%E2%80%9ER%C4%83stignirea%E2%80%9D-din-Georgia.jpg

I can make list a long long list of subjects having unjustified over the top fears being copy-catted just because people think they are "so sure" of themselves but was an exaggeration to "convince" the other.

Lot of people have to face their own created demons first to be able to transform these obvious fear-based projected obstacles.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 02 of 06:

https://mattbelair.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/a7068d1bcdae860853fa74ebed5146c3.jpg

Those who are so sure that "all" CE5 UFO Experiences (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115666-George-Knapp-The-Summoners) are part of a "evil conspiracy" to control millions ... I have a question for them:

01. How many people have you actually spoken/communicated with who did those CE5 Protocols successfully? (be honest!).
02. How many videos/sites of successful CE5 testimonies have you really studied?

To assume they "all" must be victims ... that assumption in itself proves my point how some people have a Myopic View (Tunnel Vision) pushing a false narrative thus become a tool for deception themselves thinking they do "good".

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 03 of 06:

https://steemitimages.com/DQmZ61Pz45gfBQXE5bpXmVo7DgehA1dMfTmH3ihyvVDk3qM/image.png

Am also aware that some (very few) Avalonians are (fanatic?) Christians (or act like it) and see everything that is paranormal or alien as "demonic" ... often "forget" to add that in to the their projections when communicating to other members ... knowing if they did, that others will see what they are actually doing.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 04 of 06:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/UFObirth2.jpg

Personally met (face to face in real life) all kinds of different types of Christians (100s over the years) that came to one (or more) of my 80+ UFO Lectures I gave in 5 countries.... what they all seem to have in common is they feel themselves as "saviors" for your Soul and use any means necessary to "save your Soul" ... And see anyone that questions that myopic behavior as part of an "evil energy" ... So you never ever can convince them one way or the other. Am so used to that. Nothing new.

Also did many 3 hour live radio shows in Amsterdam 1990 up to 1998 where anyone could phone-in and debate me or my guest discussing UFOs live uncensored ... and guess what ... there I debated Christians too about UFOs ... many times ... So it is not new to me ... noticed a lot of recognizable predictable patterns of behavior.

A good friend of mine told me that IF a real Christian is blending in a paranormal and/or UFO research groups not stating their true "mission" their true Modus operandi (true intentions) but slowly expose themselves can be challenged by asking if they are Christians and see everything through that lens. According to their beliefs they are not allowed to lie about that question ... because to openly deny your faith is worse than anything else for most hardcore Christians.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 05 of 06:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DejYRewW4AEsUVn.jpg

research tip: bibleufo.net (http://www.bibleufo.net/)

Am really happy to say there are also many open-minded (humble) Christians (https://web.archive.org/web/20221005193557/http://www.bibleufo.net/) not demonizing UFO's by default ... but sadly enough most of them are afraid to speak about their more balanced honest views.

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.1200x1200o.ccd937e29523.png

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳
July 17th, 2021

ExomatrixTV

17th July 2021, 12:14

[My first ProjectAvalon Poll] CE5 UFOs part of a Secret Plan to 'control' Millions? Yes or No? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115686-My-first-ProjectAvalon-Poll-CE5-UFOs-part-of-a-Secret-Plan-to-control-Millions-Yes-or-No)

George Knapp & "The Summoners" (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115666-George-Knapp-The-Summoners)

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 06 of 06:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/paintings.jpg

pabranno

17th July 2021, 12:28

ExomatrixTV

17th July 2021, 12:34

Tyy1907

17th July 2021, 13:22

John,
I read your post with interest (as with all your posts:)
Hoping this thread engages sincere dialogue.
I personally have to absorb your comments.
I too have thoughts on the matter.
I need to think about my response a bit after considering your input.
I am a Christian.

Pamela

Thank you :)

Be aware that I know that most Christians have an open mind (http://www.bibleufo.net/) but are afraid to be open about their more balanced views on UFOs if they connected it with their Faith ... As other Christians will "thought-police" anyone questioning their orthodoxy & dogma.

cheers,
John

One of many distortions injected through the centuries to subjugate and control. Same as Jesus taught about the organized religious leaders of his time, focussed solely on "following the rules" let alone keeping track of them. Can be thought of as what happens when love is squeezed out of the picture.

ExomatrixTV

17th July 2021, 13:53

Imagine Christians demonizing (label) any Alien as "Demonic" .... and non-Christians "worshiping" the wrong aliens ...

Both have lessons to learn in practicing real discernment skills taking responsibility for own quality of thinking/reasoning ... Not hiding behind "group think" nor hive mind behavior.

I also noticed that if you are not a Christian ... they assume you "worship" something else ... and ask you about that issue in many ways .... Maybe it never occurred to them that ANYTHING that "needs worship" is wrong to begin with.

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳
July 17th, 2021

Open Minded Dude

17th July 2021, 14:13

East Sun

17th July 2021, 15:02

pabranno

17th July 2021, 15:50

East Sun, I agree with that.
From my research, albeit limited, humanity appears to ‘reach out’: across cultures and across history. As if we have an irrepressible need to cry out and acknowledge a higher Being or dimension .
Not dictated or instilled by the machinations of rulers.... although that is quite prevalent, and transparent to those here .
Reference art, poetry, dance, music, rituals, costuming etc throughout human history.
There is something very deep in us seemingly irrepressibly reaching out.
I find it very poignant.
I would truly appreciate feedback.
As John put so eloquently, i want to take responsibility for the quality of my own reasoning,
and I respectfully value the input of ALL here.

Pamela

Ankle Biter

17th July 2021, 16:18

Maybe it never occurred to them that ANYTHING that "needs worship" is wrong to begin with.

Exactly. Never bow down to any 'deity' at all. The whole concept of 'worshipping' and 'serving' a god figure is wrong already.

Btw, next to your examples of UFOs in the sky on old paintings and drawings I find the ancient cave drawings of grey(-like) beings called 'Wandjina' or 'Wondjina' also very interesting.

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/12/30/a-5000-year-old-aboriginal-cave-painting-of-the-wandjina-the-sky-beings/

https://www.google.com/search?q=Wondjina&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjl24ibo-rxAhWjhv0HHWlrAvMQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1270&bih=783

The Wandjina paintings are very telling indeed. I posted something about them in another thread a couple days or so back. I remember hearing the stories about these spirits from word of mouth as a kid but if I am not remembering those stories correctly because of hearing so long ago or haven't found the online detailed source that matches what I initially learned. The current online material is a bit vague whereas I remember hearing they were guides that taught wandering tribes how to survive the land. Given knowledge fire, taught what flora can be used for treatments, tools for hunting.. like the Boomerang.. which used aerofoil shape wing to create lift as it flies through the air... A technology that for me always seemed out of place in a hunter gatherer society with no other equal level of sophistication of tools or constructions.

Billy

17th July 2021, 16:23

See also this thread posted in 2012.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Mauro-Biglino-The-Book-That-Will-Forever-Change-Our-Ideas-About-The-Bible-The-Gods-Coming-From-Space

My introduction.

Mauro Biglino translated 23 books of the Bible for the Vatican. He had to translate the Stalingrad Codex (the version of the Bible which all three major monotheistic religions - Christian, Jewish and Muslim - recognize as the official Bible) from the Hebrew, word by word, literally and with no interpretation whatsoever. That is to say, he's not a wannabe kabbalist, conspirationist or ufologist, since the official publishing organism of the Vatican approved and released those books, at least 17 of them. While working on the Bible, he realized that many of the stories this book tells where mistranslated, misinterpretated, mostly on purpose, in order to insert the notion of a spiritual, almighty and unerring God. The picture he gives us of the bestseller of all times is surprisingly different from what we all were told. Actually, as soon as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!

wondering

17th July 2021, 16:25

Hi John, I was strongly influenced by the Catholic church in the first 4 decades of my life. Certainly not so now, and I have never been a student of the bible. Apart from the Catholic church having hidden so much that would have been valuable to it's members, which continues today, I believe, I don't see the whole UFO issue as being a religious one at all. The extraterrestrial information that has systematically hidden from us has come from every aspect of tptb across the board. How unfortunate for us that so much has been kept from us, but I like to think that is changing. It seems that as truth is revealed about the enormous involvement of extraterrestrials in our history, it will be incorporated into our belief systems eventually. I will so welcome such progress, but whether that happens in my lifetime remains to be seen. I wish.

ExomatrixTV

17th July 2021, 18:18

History of Medieval Art:

European art during the Middle Ages developed out of the artistic heritage of classical antiquity, the Roman Empire, as well as Christian iconography. To this mixture, must be added the influence of the Middle East in the forms and ideals of Byzantine culture. Interestingly, at the start of the Medieval period, nearly all works of art were commissioned by religious authorities (for churches/monasteries) or secular leaders (for public edification), and most were actually created by monks. By the end of the period, the arts industry had broadened considerably from its original monastic base: not only were most artists laymen, but a number of artworks were commissioned by wealthy bourgeois patrons for personal enjoyment.
Even so, for 600 years (c.400-1000 CE) Europe was a cultural backwater. Only one institution survived: the Christian Church - centred in Rome, and Constantinople. Not surprisingly, therefore, the church became the main sponsor of architecture, and other types of art, during the medieval era.

Early Christian Artists (650-900 CE)

One of the finest examples of early Christian painting (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/fine-art-painting.htm) were the Irish and Anglo-Saxon illuminated manuscripts (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/cultural-history-of-ireland/illuminated-manuscripts.htm) dating from the mid-sixth century CE. These beautifully illustrated books (eg. Book of Kells, Book of Durrow), combining Celtic art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/cultural-history-of-ireland/celtic-art.htm) with Anglo-Saxon and Celtic metalwork art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/irish-crafts/celtic-metalwork-art.htm), were produced by scribes and artist-monks in the scriptoriums of abbeys and monasteries across Ireland and Northern England. They were succeeded by Carolingan, Ottonian and Byzantine illuminated texts, as well as a host of Persian Islamic illuminations.

Medieval Artists on the Continent

The first signs of a Continental cultural renaissance appeared about 775 at the royal court of the Christian King Charlemagne. This period - known as Carolingian Art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/carolingian-art.htm) - was influenced by Late Antiquity and Byzantine traditions. Charlemagne's artists and calligraphers - including some of the Continent's best miniaturists (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/miniaturists.htm) - produced a number of outstanding illuminated texts, like the Godscalc Evangelistary, the Lorsch Gospels and the Gospels of St Medard of Soissons. For more, see: German Medieval Art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/german-medieval-art.htm) (c.800-1250), Medieval Christian Art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/medieval-christian-artworks.htm) and Medieval Sculpture (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/sculpture/medieval.htm).

Romanesque Designers (c.950-1140)

By the mid-10th century, the Rome-based Christian Church had begun to establish a network of Bishops and lesser clergy in most areas of Western Europe. (See also: Ottonian Art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/ottonian-art.htm).) As its wealth increased, the church turned to monumental architecture, using a new design language known as Romanesque art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/romanesque-art.htm), to promote its divine message. Romanesque designers and architects erected hundreds of new churches and monasteries across the Continent. Famous examples included: the Cathedral of Pisa with its famous leaning bell tower, the Florence Baptistery, Laon Cathedral, Augsburg and Worms Cathedrals, the abbeys of Cluny, Aux Dames (Caen) and Les Hommes (Mont Saint-Michel). In England, 26 out of 27 ancient Cathedrals were started during the Romanesque period. For more, see Architecture History (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/architecture-history.htm). See also: Romanesque Sculpture (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/sculpture/romanesque.htm). For more about mural painting during the 11th and 12th centuries, see: Romanesque Painting (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/romanesque-painting.htm). For regional differences of style, see: Romanesque Painting in Italy (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/romanesque-painting-italy.htm); also France (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/romanesque-painting-france.htm); and Spain (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/romanesque-painting-spain.htm). For medieval book painting and gospel illuminations, see: Romanesque Illuminated Manuscripts (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/romanesque-illuminated-manuscripts.htm).

Gothic Architects (c.1140-1300)

Romanesque architecture (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/architecture/romanesque.htm) was impressive but boring. Also, the interiors of most churches were dimly lit because of their small windows. All this was changed by the new Gothic architecture (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/gothic-architecture.htm), whose soaring arches, vaulted ceilings, and massive stained glass windows inspired and informed the Church's illiterate congregations. Gothic art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/gothic.htm) first appeared (c.1140) in the Abbey Church of Saint-Denis, near Paris, before being applied most famously to the cathedrals of Northern France, which were richly decorated with Gothic sculpture (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/sculpture/gothic-sculpture.htm). Among the most famous examples of the French Gothic style (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/architecture/gothic-style.htm) are Notre Dame Cathedral Paris (1163-1345), Chartres Cathedral (1194-1250), as well as the cathedrals of Strasbourg (1015-1439), Laon (1160-1235), Tours (1170-1547), Bourges (1195-1230), Reims (1211-1275) and Amiens (1220-1270). Outside France, famous medieval examples include Cologne Cathedral (1248-1880); Florence Cathedral (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/architecture/florence-cathedral.htm), begun in the Gothic style in 1296 under Arnolfo di Cambio, and completed in the Renaissance style in 1436, under Brunelleschi; the 14th century St Stephen's Cathedral, Vienna; the massive Milan Cathedral begun in 1386; and Seville Cathedral (1401-1528), the largest Gothic cathedral in the world. In England, examples of Gothic design include Westminster Abbey, York Minster and the cathedrals of Salisbury, Canterbury and Lincoln. See also: English Gothic Sculpture (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/sculpture/english-gothic.htm) and German Gothic Sculpture (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/sculpture/german-gothic.htm). For more about architectural design in Germany, during this period, please see: German Gothic Art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/german-gothic-art.htm) (c.1200-1450).

Byzantine Artists (c.500-1400)

By the time Rome was sacked in 450 CE, thousands of Roman and Greek painters, craftsmen and other artists had moved to Constantinople (Byzantium) where they proceeded to create a new set of Eastern Christian images and icons (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/painting/icons.htm) - based on a combination of Greek, Persian and Egyptian culture - known as Byzantine Art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/byzantine.htm).
Almost exclusively devoted to religious expression, its architecture and painting (little sculpture was produced by Byzantine artists) developed within a rigid tradition. This led to a sophistication of style rarely equalled in Western art. Major types of medieval Byzantine art included public mosaics, private icons made with encaustic wax paint (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/painting/encaustic.htm) on portable wooden panels, illuminated manuscripts such as the famous Rabula Gospel (586), fresco painting (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/painting/fresco.htm), as well as decorative art including ivory diptychs and exquisite metalwork. Unlike medieval religious art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/religious-art.htm) in Western Europe, Byzantine artworks hardly ever had a didactic or narrative function: they remained essentially impersonal, ceremonial and symbolic.

Byzantine architects built numerous outstanding churches and religious buildings, including: the Hagia Irene (c.360) and the Hagia Sophia (532-37), both in Constantinople (now Istanbul); and the Church of St. Sophia in Sofia in Bulgaria (527-65) - all richly decorated with gilding, mosaic art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/mosaic-art.htm), murals and relief sculpture (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/sculpture/relief.htm). In time, medieval Byzantine architects became more influenced by eastern traditions of design and decoration, and exerted a deep influence on early Islamic art (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/islamic-art.htm) and architecture, as exemplified by the Umayyad Great Mosque of Damascus. Byzantine art spread to Ravenna as well as Kiev, Novgorod, Tver, Pskov and Moscow, where it became a major type of Russian medieval painting (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/russian-medieval-painting.htm), and stimulated the emergence of numerous centres of artistic excellence such as the Novgorod school of icon painting (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/novgorod-school-icon-painting.htm), and later the Moscow school of painting (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/moscow-school-of-painting.htm).

Medieval Artists Heralded Renaissance

During the 14th century, the Gothic style - which up until 1300 had been mainly exemplified by architecture and sculpture, as well as widespread production of Gothic illuminated manuscripts (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/gothic-illuminated-manuscripts.htm) - began to be applied to painting and the decorative arts in a variant known as International Gothic (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/international-gothic.htm). Characterized by the overriding primacy of pattern and colour, to which composition and naturalistic detail were subordinated, the style - as exemplified by International Gothic illuminations (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/international-gothic-illuminations.htm) - was a blend of Italian and Northern European art, and was practised especially in centres like Lombardy, Franco-Flemish Burgundy and Bohemia. This idiom was developed and improved by three important pre-Renaissance painters, Cimabue (Cenni di Peppi) (1240-1302), Duccio di Buoninsegna (c.1255-1319) of the conservative Sienese School of painting (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/sienese-school-of-painting.htm) and Giotto di Bondone (1267-1337), whose fresco work and panel painting laid the groundwork for 15th century Florentine painters and sculptors, especially their mastery of linear perspective (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/painting/linear-perspective.htm) and realism.

source (http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/medieval-artists.htm)

Understanding The History of Medieval Art (https://www.markeimartscenter.org/understanding-the-history-of-medieval-art/)
Medieval Art Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_art)

East Sun

18th July 2021, 00:05

Wondering,
I agree, and it is obvious that the Church will have to eventually admit that
there is an extraterrestrial element to our existence,
The Roman Church IMO has deceived us for thousands of year and should be STOPPED now!

The Jesuits if you know who they are, are the most despicable and deceptive group of so called "religious" people on this Earth, Please check this out.

The Jesuit Pope is in my opinion, the closest entity to the Anti-Christ here on Earth now! Period!

Natura Naturans

18th July 2021, 02:15

oz93666

18th July 2021, 07:59

The aliens have created our religions to confuse and control us, to hide their presence and allow them to manipulate us with impunity. The only person I know who is an abductee is a very religious Christian. He AND his son have been abducted many times, semen extracted, other medical work done, typical of the grey alien stories we all know. The aliens always told him they were from God, that he was chosen by God to help this project. I told him I thought the greys were using his beliefs to control him, but religious people are true believers, and he firmly believed he was helping God by allowing the Greys to take his semen. Even the fact they were taking his son didn't seem to bother him. I think if I were in his place I would have been furious at this obvious treatment of us like lab rats. But I note even the non religious types like Jim Sparks now dutifully sing the song of the alien agenda after decades of intrusive abductions.

Good post NN ..I'd just take issue with the sentiment of the first sentence .... The impulse behind Christianity was Divine , but strait away the dark forces set about twisting and corrupting it .... The main symbol the crucifix is clearly evil and designed to rub our nose in the fact they killed Him ... the clear message is "that's what we do to those that bring light" ... But still among the mess of the Christian religion there is much of value ... Love ..the belief in God , even though many wrong concepts around him ...
In later years I've eased up on my opposition to Christianity.

palehorse

18th July 2021, 08:11

.. as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!

Here is the PDF of that book [https://ia801008.us.archive.org/35/items/MauroBiglinoTheBookThatWillForeverChangeOurIdeasAboutTheBible2013/Mauro%20Biglino-The%20book%20that%20will%20forever%20change%20our%20ideas%20about%20the%20Bible%20%282013%29.pdf]

https://ia801008.us.archive.org/35/items/MauroBiglinoTheBookThatWillForeverChangeOurIdeasAboutTheBible2013/Mauro%20Biglino-The%20book%20that%20will%20forever%20change%20our%20ideas%20about%20the%20Bible%20%282013%29.pdf

..The Jesuit Pope is in my opinion, the closest entity to the Anti-Christ here on Earth now! Period!

Mr. Sosa from the Society of Jesus (aka Jesuits), he is also known as "The black pope".

ExomatrixTV

18th July 2021, 08:29

Prime Creator is way too big for any of the (man-made and/or alien-made) religions!

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳

Mashika

18th July 2021, 08:44

UFOs & Christians the Hypocrisy Paradox

Millions believe in God but never saw "Him" ... Millions worldwide saw/experience genuine UFOs and know 100% what they experienced ... are still called: "believers" not experiences/knowers.

It is "okay" to believe a man walked over water and having a "Talking Snake" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpents_in_the_Bible) in the Garden of Eden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden) etc. etc. ... but the same who claim that say it is "not okay" to ponder if UFO's and their occupants throughout human history influenced almost all Religions on our planet.

Any generalization for or against is not doing justice to the full spectrum of the truth.

Everybody can find echo-chambers of your own bias ... not hard to do ... especially when (personal) fears and genuine worries are involved "about the other" being "deceived" ... this projected assumption can also be part of a deception agenda without realizing it.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 01 of 06:

https://incredibilia.ro/wp-content/uploads/4.-Fresca-%E2%80%9ER%C4%83stignirea%E2%80%9D-din-Georgia.jpg

I can make list a long long list of subjects having unjustified over the top fears being copy-catted just because people think they are "so sure" of themselves but was an exaggeration to "convince" the other.

Lot of people have to face their own created demons first to be able to transform these obvious fear-based projected obstacles.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 02 of 06:

https://mattbelair.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/a7068d1bcdae860853fa74ebed5146c3.jpg

Those who are so sure that "all" CE5 UFO Experiences (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115666-George-Knapp-The-Summoners) are part of a "evil conspiracy" to control millions ... I have a question for them:

01. How many people have you actually spoken/communicated with who did those CE5 Protocols successfully? (be honest!).
02. How many videos/sites of successful CE5 testimonies have you really studied?

To assume they "all" must be victims ... that assumption in itself proves my point how some people have a Myopic View (Tunnel Vision) pushing a false narrative thus become a tool for deception themselves thinking they do "good".

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 03 of 06:

https://steemitimages.com/DQmZ61Pz45gfBQXE5bpXmVo7DgehA1dMfTmH3ihyvVDk3qM/image.png

Am also aware that some (very few) Avalonians are (fanatic?) Christians (or act like it) and see everything that is paranormal or alien as "demonic" ... often "forget" to add that in to the their projections when communicating to other members ... knowing if they did, that others will see what they are actually doing.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 04 of 06:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/UFObirth2.jpg

Personally met (face to face in real life) all kinds of different types of Christians (100s over the years) that came to one (or more) of my 80+ UFO Lectures I gave in 5 countries.... what they all seem to have in common is they feel themselves as "saviors" for your Soul and use any means necessary to "save your Soul" ... And see anyone that questions that myopic behavior as part of an "evil energy" ... So you never ever can convince them one way or the other. Am so used to that. Nothing new.

Also did many 3 hour live radio shows in Amsterdam 1990 up to 1998 where anyone could phone-in and debate me or my guest discussing UFOs live uncensored ... and guess what ... there I debated Christians too about UFOs ... many times ... So it is not new to me ... noticed a lot of recognizable predictable patterns of behavior.

A good friend of mine told me that IF a real Christian is blending in a paranormal and/or UFO research groups not stating their true "mission" their true Modus operandi (true intentions) but slowly expose themselves can be challenged by asking if they are Christians and see everything through that lens. According to their beliefs they are not allowed to lie about that question ... because to openly deny your faith is worse than anything else for most hardcore Christians.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 05 of 06:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DejYRewW4AEsUVn.jpg

research tip: bibleufo.net (http://www.bibleufo.net/)

Am happy to say there are also many open-minded (humble) Christians (http://www.bibleufo.net/) not demonizing UFO's by default ... but sadly enough most of them are afraid to speak about their more balanced honest views.

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.1200x1200o.ccd937e29523.png

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 17th, 2021

Didn't those pictures original represent the sun and the moon? Just like in other pre colombine religions in Latin America, which also had the same "Gods" but under another names? I do understand what you mean, but i have seen old, very old statues in Mexico representing similar things.All that stuff is just Catholic imagery, What about before..

I guess what i'm trying to say is, there were other statues, pictures, and so on, way before religion like catholics or whatever other, and they also had representations like those. So its not just them

ExomatrixTV

18th July 2021, 10:02

Didn't those pictures original represent the sun and the moon? Just like in other pre colombine religions in Latin America, which also had the same "Gods" but under another names? I do understand what you mean, but i have seen old, very old statues in Mexico representing similar things.All that stuff is just Catholic imagery, What about before..

I guess what i'm trying to say is, there were other statues, pictures, and so on, way before religion like catholics or whatever other, and they also had representations like those. So its not just them

Really? ... look again ... and compare it with 1000s of other paintings NOT having these particular shapes that does not even look close to a "moon shape" or "sun shape"

Show me more alleged "Moons & Sun" being used in old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) like that being "more moon-like" and "more sun-like".

To me it does not strike me as a "moon & sun".

cheers,
John

wondering

18th July 2021, 10:28

pabranno

18th July 2021, 10:29

Thanks for the pdf on Biglino, Palehorse. I will dig a little into that.
Very curious if our own Jim Duyer had any thoughts on some of the translations from Biglino..
Pamela

pabranno

18th July 2021, 10:33

Wondering, I see a lot of people paint Christians in general with the same brush.... you make a good point.

Pamela

palehorse

18th July 2021, 11:10

Thanks for the pdf on Biglino, Palehorse. I will dig a little into that.
Very curious if our own Jim Duyer had any thoughts on some of the translations from Biglino..
Pamela

I started the reading, in the very first chapter (pages 13 and 14) it says:

"

(anaqìm)

The Long-necked Men

Old Testament writings are generally derived from stories written by other people, such as the ancient Sumerians. These stories have given rise to certain theories, which are summarized here in this first chapter.

These theories, – we can call them truths - that once confirmed will cause the end of a great illusion: Our current religious thought system based on concepts developed by men. This religious thought system which includes Christianity, is being operated by those who have exploited pretentiously-named “sacred texts” in order to build a structure a power structure of control and manipulation. It is time for that all to end; and it is time for the truth.

For instance, we are interested in knowing how, where and when the Bible speaks of Anaqìm: Concrete beings that have come to Earth from other worlds. Though the Roman Catholic Church now acknowledges this information, they continue to misleadingly represent the Anaqim as “spiritual entities.”

As we analyze the Old Testament, we will identify these concrete beings using their correct Hebrew names (for instance “Those who from heaven to Earth came” in Hebrew are Anaqiti” instead of the more well-known published Sumerian name, “Anunnaki”).
"

East Sun

18th July 2021, 16:36

East Sun, I don't think we can ever paint an entire group as good or bad since every group is made up of individuals whose journeys all differ. I know personally very fine men who are Jesuits. Just my experience.

I Agree with that principle but must ask if you read the oath of the Jesuits that was posted here on Avalon
about a week ago in it's entirety. IMO a person would have to be a religious fanatic to agree to it's demands.

If you have not read it please do. It's an eye opener to say the least.

Loyola the person who first established the Jesuits was called a Saint by some. I would never consider him to be
anything close to being a Saint.

Natura Naturans

18th July 2021, 16:59

I could not make the earlier link to work on the Mauro Biglino book, but I managed to find it at Archive.org. Here it is:

https://archive.org/details/MauroBiglinoTheBookThatWillForeverChangeOurIdeasAboutTheBible2013/page/n5/mode/2up

pabranno

18th July 2021, 17:04

Many thanks for the Biglino.

pabranno

18th July 2021, 17:09

It’s difficult to avoid demonizing an entire group when the true highest leaders and highest philosophy behind the group is clearly of dark intent. Eg Masons. Catholics. Just as difficult to avoid becoming smug in our knowledge and recognition of that ugly truth. Many many souls at the bottom, ignorant of these things, find what speaks to their heart. In spite of.
I find it beautiful that Spirit can work that way.

East Sun

19th July 2021, 00:35

UFOs & Christians the Hypocrisy Paradox

Millions believe in God but never saw "Him" ... Millions worldwide saw/experience genuine UFOs and know 100% what they experienced ... are still called: "believers" not experiences/knowers.

It is "okay" to believe a man walked over water and having a "Talking Snake" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpents_in_the_Bible) in the Garden of Eden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden) etc. etc. ... but the same who claim that say it is "not okay" to ponder if UFO's and their occupants throughout human history influenced almost all Religions on our planet.

Any generalization for or against is not doing justice to the full spectrum of the truth.

Everybody can find echo-chambers of your own bias ... not hard to do ... especially when (personal) fears and genuine worries are involved "about the other" being "deceived" ... this projected assumption can also be part of a deception agenda without realizing it.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 01 of 06:

https://incredibilia.ro/wp-content/uploads/4.-Fresca-%E2%80%9ER%C4%83stignirea%E2%80%9D-din-Georgia.jpg

I can make list a long long list of subjects having unjustified over the top fears being copy-catted just because people think they are "so sure" of themselves but was an exaggeration to "convince" the other.

Lot of people have to face their own created demons first to be able to transform these obvious fear-based projected obstacles.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 02 of 06:

https://mattbelair.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/a7068d1bcdae860853fa74ebed5146c3.jpg

Those who are so sure that "all" CE5 UFO Experiences (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115666-George-Knapp-The-Summoners) are part of a "evil conspiracy" to control millions ... I have a question for them:

01. How many people have you actually spoken/communicated with who did those CE5 Protocols successfully? (be honest!).
02. How many videos/sites of successful CE5 testimonies have you really studied?

To assume they "all" must be victims ... that assumption in itself proves my point how some people have a Myopic View (Tunnel Vision) pushing a false narrative thus become a tool for deception themselves thinking they do "good".

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 03 of 06:

https://steemitimages.com/DQmZ61Pz45gfBQXE5bpXmVo7DgehA1dMfTmH3ihyvVDk3qM/image.png

Am also aware that some (very few) Avalonians are (fanatic?) Christians (or act like it) and see everything that is paranormal or alien as "demonic" ... often "forget" to add that in to the their projections when communicating to other members ... knowing if they did, that others will see what they are actually doing.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 04 of 06:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/UFObirth2.jpg

Personally met (face to face in real life) all kinds of different types of Christians (100s over the years) that came to one (or more) of my 80+ UFO Lectures I gave in 5 countries.... what they all seem to have in common is they feel themselves as "saviors" for your Soul and use any means necessary to "save your Soul" ... And see anyone that questions that myopic behavior as part of an "evil energy" ... So you never ever can convince them one way or the other. Am so used to that. Nothing new.

Also did many 3 hour live radio shows in Amsterdam 1990 up to 1998 where anyone could phone-in and debate me or my guest discussing UFOs live uncensored ... and guess what ... there I debated Christians too about UFOs ... many times ... So it is not new to me ... noticed a lot of recognizable predictable patterns of behavior.

A good friend of mine told me that IF a real Christian is blending in a paranormal and/or UFO research groups not stating their true "mission" their true Modus operandi (true intentions) but slowly expose themselves can be challenged by asking if they are Christians and see everything through that lens. According to their beliefs they are not allowed to lie about that question ... because to openly deny your faith is worse than anything else for most hardcore Christians.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 05 of 06:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DejYRewW4AEsUVn.jpg

research tip: bibleufo.net (http://www.bibleufo.net/)

Am happy to say there are also many open-minded (humble) Christians (http://www.bibleufo.net/) not demonizing UFO's by default ... but sadly enough most of them are afraid to speak about their more balanced honest views.

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.1200x1200o.ccd937e29523.png

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 17th, 2021

John, I believe we are basically on the same page.
"Millions believe in God But have never seen etc."

You really would not have to see him to believe in him given what we were told in Scripture.
Jesus, if he existed was essentially human but very spiritual and I fully believe was not of this
realm/dimension.

I'm intrigued by such things as Ezikiel' description of et's in the Old Testament.
Why have those things been kept from us to the point of it being obvious except for the
conditioned tunnel versioned believers.

Isn't it obvious that in this unending space of countless planets and stars and ultimate possibilities
that there would be images beyond comprehension.

Even looking at all the insects and animals that we know about and different races who are
just a few there has to be images beyond what we can even not imagine.

What if every thing we see in the Oceans and on land have advanced counterparts that are intelligent beyond our primitive existence by thousands of years.

It is possible and very likely. There is no limit if we see there may be a creative being that has no end.
Just imagine that.

ExomatrixTV

19th July 2021, 09:57

To me Dr. Steven Greer is a "Saint" in comparison what "Christians" (not using meditation) did past 1000+ years especially towards anyone who commit the "crime" to be different ... like the Native people of North+South America & Australia!

And what about real meditating people in Tibet vs "rational people" from China oppressing them (taking their right to self-determination away) and I can go on and on people using all kinds of hypocritical worry-some based & generalized "logic".

Am really happy to say there are also many open-minded (humble) Christians (http://www.bibleufo.net/) not demonizing UFO's by default ... but sadly enough most of them are afraid to speak about their more balanced honest views.

I never assumed that what happened to Iris suicide is the "same" as how others behave (I thought that was obvious) ... I mentioned that (bring it up) only to show I really studied all kinds of fear based behavior of humans intensely... and the "worry too much" how others may think/act is the lowest form/level of all fears ... still can create an one-sided Myopic View (Tunnel Vision) especially when you are on a "mission" to "educate" the others.

Some even assume that worrying is not even fear based "if it is rational" may in some circumstances be just the case indeed ... but it can also be used as a perfect excuse especially when you are generalizing a group of different people having different experiences than you have thinking they can "not" be helping Human Kind just "because they have contact with ET's" ... This over the top generalizing assumption alone proves my case!

cheers,
John Kuhles

ps. Am well aware of the (possible) dangers of all kinds of UFO cults worldwide ... I even warned about that on record, 100s of times in great detail last 31 years!

source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115666-George-Knapp-The-Summoners&p=1440978&viewfull=1#post1440978)

ExomatrixTV

19th July 2021, 10:30

You really would not have to see him to believe in him given what we were told in Scripture.
Jesus, if he existed was essentially human but very spiritual and I fully believe was not of this
realm/dimension.

That is the whole freaking point ... depending on OTHER limited (in my view corrupted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea)) humans deciding what is allowed in the scripture and "how" to interpreted them etc. etc. (blindly) trusting them they are not "deceiving/misdirecting/misquoting" stuff for political reasons or even satanic reasons.

Even if they were not "deceiving/misdirecting/misquoting" it is still based upon very limited human-based perceptions being used by some as "absolute" creating all kinds of problems like: "us vs them" behavior ... "the chosen ones" vs the rest etc.

I never ever claim Prime Creator "does not exist" but I do claim: Prime Creator is way too big for ANY man-made and/or alien-made religions ... and any assumed Deity that "needs" worship is wrong to begin with, in my book.

cheers,
John

DbDraad

19th July 2021, 10:45

Interesting thread...as a Christian I am a bit saddened by negative experiences some had with Christians with regards to UDOs/aliens...I can't understand it though...open-mindedness should be the Christian way, but I know it mostly isn't.
To me, the Bible and alien stories dovetails quite nicely.

East Sun

19th July 2021, 15:03

mojo

19th July 2021, 15:25

Nice response DbDraad... I came across a local Pastor that wanted nothing to do with retelling of the contact experience in my life. I understood why though, his belief in the subject matter was not relevant to God's plan of Salvation and of course Pastors are concerned about protecting the flock. I also contacted another prominent scholar LA Marzulli to express to him that not all encounters are evil or demonic but of course his books are written with a negative leaning so he was not listening either. His good friend Gary Stearman had an amazing positive encounter and LAs response to my sharing that view was that those are extremely rare. There's a lot of grace for servants of God and spiritual leaders which are dealing with some heavy subject matter such as possession, angels, demons and ghosts all part of the paranormal so it's not out of fear or bias that Pastors dont want to delve into it. Even the Bible doesn't really say specifically the motives behind the occupants of those flying vehicles like it does with other matters.

I try to live a spiritual life and that provided the strength to remove any fear or doubt during the initial encounters and it was nice to be part of something that was extremely enlightening but at the same time I would feel remiss in not alerting other interested people to possible negative encounters if they decide to pursue contact. People should know the risk and by telling them there is supporting data on both sides seems the right response.

East Sun

19th July 2021, 23:11

This is a hypothesis of mine................

Jesus will not come back again as promised until we we have become more spiritually oriented and less greedy
i.e. enlightened.
That would mean going up against the Roman Vatican establishment who have become corrupt over 2,000 years,
and all of it's offshoots of protestants, They, the protestants need to protest against what they have become.

We have, all of us, IMO a need to become more spiritual and less greedy. (hard to do in this time.)

Same goes for the globalists who are control freaks and totally self oriented. This also includes cults and Satanists
and their ilk.

If the afore mentioned can get together we/they could make it happen in spite of the latter mentioned
groups.

It's entirely up to us.

Tyy1907

20th July 2021, 17:45

I grew up in the Catholic faith, but regret to have to say could not stay in it.
Now I feel sorry for those who follow the Vatican (most I believe are good and dedicated people).

But I have great doubts about the Black Pope/Jesuite Pope. that is at the top right now.
Just my opinion.

No need to regret dropping out of Catholicism. If it doesn't ring true then why stay? That's the guilt programming instilled in religions. I was the same. I pursued God in my own individual way cause the "fires and brimstone" angle didn't sit right.

Snoweagle

21st July 2021, 11:19

UFOs & Christians the Hypocrisy Paradox

Millions believe in God but never saw "Him" ... Millions worldwide saw/experience genuine UFOs and know 100% what they experienced ... are still called: "believers" not experiences/knowers.

It is "okay" to believe a man walked over water and having a "Talking Snake" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpents_in_the_Bible) in the Garden of Eden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden) etc. etc. ... but the same who claim that say it is "not okay" to ponder if UFO's and their occupants throughout human history influenced almost all Religions on our planet.

Any generalization for or against is not doing justice to the full spectrum of the truth.

Everybody can find echo-chambers of your own bias ... not hard to do ... especially when (personal) fears and genuine worries are involved "about the other" being "deceived" ... this projected assumption can also be part of a deception agenda without realizing it.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 01 of 06:

https://incredibilia.ro/wp-content/uploads/4.-Fresca-%E2%80%9ER%C4%83stignirea%E2%80%9D-din-Georgia.jpg

I can make list a long long list of subjects having unjustified over the top fears being copy-catted just because people think they are "so sure" of themselves but was an exaggeration to "convince" the other.

Lot of people have to face their own created demons first to be able to transform these obvious fear-based projected obstacles.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 02 of 06:

https://mattbelair.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/a7068d1bcdae860853fa74ebed5146c3.jpg

Those who are so sure that "all" CE5 UFO Experiences (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115666-George-Knapp-The-Summoners) are part of a "evil conspiracy" to control millions ... I have a question for them:

01. How many people have you actually spoken/communicated with who did those CE5 Protocols successfully? (be honest!).
02. How many videos/sites of successful CE5 testimonies have you really studied?

To assume they "all" must be victims ... that assumption in itself proves my point how some people have a Myopic View (Tunnel Vision) pushing a false narrative thus become a tool for deception themselves thinking they do "good".

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 03 of 06:

https://steemitimages.com/DQmZ61Pz45gfBQXE5bpXmVo7DgehA1dMfTmH3ihyvVDk3qM/image.png

Am also aware that some (very few) Avalonians are (fanatic?) Christians (or act like it) and see everything that is paranormal or alien as "demonic" ... often "forget" to add that in to the their projections when communicating to other members ... knowing if they did, that others will see what they are actually doing.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 04 of 06:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/UFObirth2.jpg

Personally met (face to face in real life) all kinds of different types of Christians (100s over the years) that came to one (or more) of my 80+ UFO Lectures I gave in 5 countries.... what they all seem to have in common is they feel themselves as "saviors" for your Soul and use any means necessary to "save your Soul" ... And see anyone that questions that myopic behavior as part of an "evil energy" ... So you never ever can convince them one way or the other. Am so used to that. Nothing new.

Also did many 3 hour live radio shows in Amsterdam 1990 up to 1998 where anyone could phone-in and debate me or my guest discussing UFOs live uncensored ... and guess what ... there I debated Christians too about UFOs ... many times ... So it is not new to me ... noticed a lot of recognizable predictable patterns of behavior.

A good friend of mine told me that IF a real Christian is blending in a paranormal and/or UFO research groups not stating their true "mission" their true Modus operandi (true intentions) but slowly expose themselves can be challenged by asking if they are Christians and see everything through that lens. According to their beliefs they are not allowed to lie about that question ... because to openly deny your faith is worse than anything else for most hardcore Christians.

Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs 05 of 06:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DejYRewW4AEsUVn.jpg

research tip: bibleufo.net (http://www.bibleufo.net/)

Am really happy to say there are also many open-minded (humble) Christians (http://www.bibleufo.net/) not demonizing UFO's by default ... but sadly enough most of them are afraid to speak about their more balanced honest views.

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.1200x1200o.ccd937e29523.png

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 17th, 2021

I am an Irish Republican Roman Catholic and I can assure you there are NO ALIENS in those pictures of exquisite art.

What does exist, is your desire to emotionally drive Christians (no other collective groups) to accept Aliens as historical fact. When no real evidence exists. Anywhere.

Referring only to the first image, tell me in detail what do you see? What does that image depict?

And you being a Jew, should reveal the discontinuities of our separate education systems.

ExomatrixTV

21st July 2021, 11:27

I am an Irish Republican Roman Catholic and I can assure you there are NO ALIENS in those pictures of exquisite art.

What does exist, is your desire to emotionally drive Christians (no other collective groups) to accept Aliens as historical fact. When no real evidence exists. Anywhere.

Referring only to the first image, tell me in detail what do you see? What does that image depict?

And you being a Jew, should reveal the discontinuities of our separate education systems.

???

Where did I claim those Old Medieval Art (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115693-UFOs-Christians-the-Hypocrisy-Paradox&p=1440683&viewfull=1#post1440683) Depicting UFOs "must be" aliens?? ...

They (UFOs of the Past) could be anything, like:

01. Time Machines (https://www.space.com/aliens-time-traveling-humans-ufo-hypothesis.html)
02. Interdenominationals (beings from another dimension).
03. Left over of Atlantis/MU/Lemuria technology of Oceanic underwater cities.
04. (Human) beings from a Parallel Universe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse)
05. and yes "Aliens" should be a on this list as a possibility too ... to exclude that option is obvious ultra close-minded.
06. etc. etc.

@Snoweagle (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?864-Snoweagle)... Why do you claim I am a "Jew"? ... please point me where you have ANY evidence that I suppose to be that? ... and even if I was (which I am not and never was) what the Fck has that to do with anything.

Did I touch a "sensitive nerve" or something for you to over-react? ... If so, I do it over and over again ... because I have no respect for snowflakes using false accusations to "make a case".

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 21st, 2021

Snoweagle

21st July 2021, 15:09

Hello John,

I have two apologies to make to you :-)

First, I interpreted wrongly that you were always Jewish. This is not a problem for me and has never been a problem throughout my life as I am not Racist in any way. Heaps of real life experiences and references to verify that. I apologise.

Secondly, my mistake in referring to Aliens when you were clearly referring to UFO, UAP or whatever they are called these days. Again I apologise.

And no you did not touch a sensitive area at all with me though it is clear to everybody reading this otherwise.

I have something to tell you about those images.

It would help your cause to tell us what you see depicted in that image and the others will naturally be understood.

So what do you see?

ExomatrixTV

21st July 2021, 17:14

Hello John,
First, I interpreted wrongly that you were always Jewish.

I never was a Jew and never will be (same for any other religion) ... still waiting for you to explain where you got the idea that I suppose to be a "Jew" and in what context? ... Point at a post of me ... or a comment of mine ... or a link ... or a video or anything else from me ... please show me where you came to that weird conclusion?

--o-O-o--

What "Old Medieval Art Depicting UFOs" are?

Is already stated: "U.F.O.'s" ... and what UFOs are >>> is a long list of possibilities ... as I studied UFOs 31 years (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115596-Largest-Declassified-Government-UFO-Files-Collection-Worldwide-&p=1439050&viewfull=1#post1439050) now, and can talk about that for days non-stop without taking a break ;)

cheers,
John

Snoweagle

23rd July 2021, 15:05

That first medieval artwork is NOT a religious or theological portrayal at all. Yet it has been used since it's creation to do just that.

The artwork was commissioned by Zion of the period it was produced, to enforce the great big lie of Jesus and the yadda yadda of the New Testament. (Jesus never existed. see Avalon thread [here])

Yet mankind benefited by the tale and the world became mostly more conciliatory and loving. This satisfied the purpose that the Zionists sought. All was pretty good for 2k years.

So what does that artwork depict (repeated over and over in other pieces as well)?

It depicts the impact of change of energy impacting our planet Earth and the global population. The Jesus character is and has always represented humanity.

Change of planetary energy John, change of planetary energy. (Take it to the bank mate)

Top left quadrant - shows the Moon approaching Earth at perihelion (closeat point). The isotopic magnetic component (magnetic pressure) of planet Earth and the Moon were magnified beyond measure back then and even today. Clearly depicted are the monster flumes of magnetic energy that decimated our planet. Fiery snakes and dragons of history are all fiery energetic flumes both visible and invisible (multi-dimensional from our human perspective) and recorded worldwide. Raising mountains, earthquakes, sea level rising, and every other catastrophic cocophony scrutinised by modern day science (spits). Biological matter were either burnt, melted or just evaporated by the intensity of those magnetic storms. Humanity, that survived were now segregated into two sexes, male and female from there original single sexed origination of hemaphrodism.

Left hand side - depicts men with auras, religiously accepted as being the saints, which is of course baloney. The auras were the increased telepathic impact on the physiological human body whole, not just the head. All characters depicted are standing and alert to each other.

Top right quadrant - depicts the Moon again but now ghostly in colour to portray the Moon moving away from planet Earth. The carnage continued now sucking back the magnetic charge as it drifted away to a new aphelion (maximum point) of its rotation around Earth. There was massive impact on surviving biological matter especially humanity. People were now in modern day parlance, brain damaged from both over electrification at the earlier perihelion (closest point) and were now incommunicable with each other. This perpetrated the birth of languages the we all know and love today. All different, lots of division, all by design of Zion. Flora and fauna were decimated globally, crops failed, forests wilted and starvation for all biological entities. Nobody was spared.

Right hand side - now depicts a crowd of men wearing chain mail in woeful disposition. The only observer with an aura is head down almost in a stoop position
representing the physiological demise of humanity. This phenomenon was global with all biological matter. Others are shown in apparent distress, to indicate mankinds distress.

The Crucifix - represents the crushing impact our constrained magnetic component has had on all living things here on Earth. It is also the cause of the elemental table of science being incomplete and the higher elements being unable to be produced and sustained whilst we have our Moon as a close neighbour.

The Jesus character - humanity is now nailed to this existence. Zion is in control.

Separation of sexes - depicted on the right hand side by what appears to be a lady with somebody else's hand clasping her groin (DJ Trump wasn't the first) and this is portrayed during the rising age of wonderment at the Moons approach. However, on the left a man in chain mail is shown lifting his gown with two hands to groin level as an indicator to humanities change. The separation of Vagina/Vulva biological complex from the Penile delivery complex.

Chain mail - Right hand side only. Faraday suits protect from the electromagnetic hazards. Prolific and manifest all throughout our historical past. Digs in Russia found a large group of bodies clad in Copper armour, faraday suits.

So there you have it. Take it for what it's worth.

One other thing. I hope this helps clear up or amend my mistaken earlier assertion - YAHWAH is the Moon decried unto Judaism by Zionism just as Christians who are NOT hypocrites were dealt Jesus.

ExomatrixTV

18th August 2021, 16:41

Gaia has launched a riveting 10-part series featuring Dr. Greer discussing his work:

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ExomatrixTV

18th August 2021, 17:05

UFOs, ETs, Christianity, Jesus, God, New Age and more – Craig Walker (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116019-UFOs-ETs-Christianity-Jesus-God-New-Age-and-more----Craig-Walker)

ExomatrixTV

27th April 2023, 20:43

CE5 Contact 2023 Updates (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120959-CE5-Contact-in-Hollywood) :bowing: