Free Speech Restricts Our Freedoms

[Mike]

...so says the surgeon general.

This whole video (10 mins long) is horrifying. But I'm not sure which part of it is most horrifying:

1) The White House telling Facebook which posts they need to censor

2) The surgeon general suggesting that our free speech actually restricts our freedoms. Of course he speaks in a thinly veiled code: "misinformation" (i.e. anything that deviates from the mainstream narrative) restricts our freedoms, therefore must be done away with. Perhaps I shouldn't have been, but I was utterly shocked when he said this. As I was just telling a close friend, of course I know what they've been up to all this time, but seeing that man so casually utter those words left me speechless. It's becoming passe to say something is "Orwellian" or "straight out of 1984", but I don't know how else to say it. His intent is so transparent that it left my jaw in the floor. Do they think we're really that stupid or are their writers just really bad? Or do they just not care? I'm not entirely sure. I'm not entirely sure about anything anymore.

I don't think most people below age 30 have any idea why free speech is so important, or how our freedom of speech here in America makes it such a truly unique place. The bogeyman of "hate speech" has lulled the youth into not only not knowing the value of free speech, but actively being against it. They are not just not patriotic, they are actively unpatriotic. It's not entirely their fault, having been brainwashed from such an early age to hate the country, but it's time to wake up. In fairness, a significant number of those above 30 - who didn't get the anti-American "education" - have also lost sight of the vital importance of free speech.

Make no mistake: free speech is in the process of being cancelled.

As Yuri Bezmenov said: "If you're not scared now, nothing will scare you."


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TUCKER AND GLENN GREENWALD ON BIDEN ADMIN TEAMING UP
WITH BIG TECH TO CENSOR “MISINFORMATION” (6 min)





Tucker Carlson: "Yes, the White House is actually in control of the information that you receive on your phone because the first amendment doesn’t exist. Politicians have taken over the media. But that’s totally fine because that’s disinformation. They said that out loud. And today, they didn’t back track or apologize or fire the person who said it or disavow what she said because it’s crazy, unconstitutional behavior. They doubled down. The same person, Joe Biden’s press secretary, said that if you're banned on one social media platform, then you should be banned everywhere."

You should be totally silenced if you disagree with the Joe Biden White House.





Glenn Greenwald Discusses Admission of White House Directing Opposition Censorship Through Big Tech


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"What’s your message to places like Facebook?" (19 seconds)


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[East Sun]

He is an idiot, and should be removed from office, Now.

[Gracy]

Yep, another step forward into a 1984 type of society. For sure that's some creepy s**t Mike, hell the guy even looks creepy!.

I've been watching the "totalitarian tiptoe" for quite some time now, and it's definitely becoming more and more a sprint as David Icke puts it, thing is I just don't see it as suddenly becoming a major problem in the last several months is all under Biden. Each president is taking bolder steps from atop the shoulders of the precedents set under their predecessor.

I don't think any of these guys are really in firm control of anything, more like figureheads. I think the major way this is made possible by the real ptb is to ever divide us against each other here at home with culture wars and such, while simultaneously distracting our attention towards either endless made up, or created boogey men abroad. "It's there, no there, no there, we gotta get 'em!"

All the while marching off into the sunset...

[Mike]

Yep, another step forward into a 1984 type of society. For sure that's some creepy s**t Mike, hell the guy even looks creepy!.

I've been watching the "totalitarian tiptoe" for quite some time now, and it's definitely becoming more and more a sprint as David Icke puts it, thing is I just don't see it as suddenly becoming a major problem in the last several months is all under Biden. Each president is taking bolder steps from atop the shoulders of the precedents set under their predecessor.

I don't think any of these guys are really in firm control of anything, more like figureheads. I think the major way this is made possible by the real ptb is to ever divide us against each other here at home with culture wars and such, while simultaneously distracting our attention towards either endless made up, or created boogey men abroad. "It's there, no there, no there, we gotta get 'em!"

All the while marching off into the sunset...


Hey Gracy:flower:, yeah I agree. I'm not solely blaming Biden for things that were already in motion long before he was elected. There's a temptation to blame big tech, but I can't lay it all at their feet either. I think it goes deeper, as you alluded to. The PTB, the illuminatti, the cabal...whatever one wishes to call it.

Even Yuri Bezmenov's eerily accurate description of Russian "demoralization" programs isn't enough for me to solely blame the KGB. Goes beyond that. Much wider in scope in my view.

I don't solely blame the postmodernists, Neo-Marxists, the critical race theorists or the social justice people for all the madness Ive been ranting about either. All this stuff is connected. Part of a larger plan.

These are all mere branches on the tree. Tools of the totalitarian tiptoe perpetrators, whoever they may be

I think this is all orchestrated from the top of the pyramid, and mostly everyone below perpetrating it are "useful idiots" as Benzemov calls them. I've played my role as a useful idiot too, by emotionally blaming this person or that group, etc.

We're all responsible in some way. And now I believe we're all responsible for doing our part in turning it around, however small or big that part may be. Politicians are limited in their power, even the president, but imo the agenda will more easily move forward with Biden in there. Trump may have been motivated mostly by ego, but I think he was still effective in obstructing some of the insanity, like Critical Race Theory for example. Granted, he was also very pro vaccine, but I have a hard time imagining him attempting any big brother tactics in order to get the country vaccinated. But alas, we'll never know. And I've been wrong before (I thought Emery Smith seemed sincere at first! LOL:facepalm:)

[Mashika]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line

[Satori]

There has been a dangerous paradigm shift under this criminal, illegitimate, unconstitutional regime that is usurping power and putting targets on certain classes of people. Some people don’t see it (the shift and the usurpation), refuse to see it, won’t accept it, or lie about it. Our livelihoods and lives are in danger.

[AutumnW]

See "When Face Masks Aren't Enough"

https://geoffolson.substack.com/

[Mike]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line


All good points.

However, free speech really is being cancelled by way of big tech (and whatever force is behind it). There's the "free speech" you're referring to, which of course isn't really free because of the consequences..as you pointed out. And now there's things you simply can't say publicly, on social media, because it's removed or censored. There are no consequences because you can't even say it to begin with!:)(or write it).

It's all done thru a series of acceptances. The "totalitarian tiptoe" as David Icke says. If the people accept the censorship of opposing ideas on vaccinations or election fraud, what's next? If it isn't stopped it will only multiply and flourish. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have said.

You should be judged for your speech. I have no problem with that. But first you need the opportunity to say something.

[Mashika]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line


All good points.

However, free speech really is being cancelled by way of big tech (and whatever force is behind it). There's the "free speech" you're referring to, which of course isn't really free because of the consequences..as you pointed out. And now there's things you simply can't say publicly, on social media, because it's removed or censored. There are no consequences because you can't even say it to begin with!:)(or write it).

It's all done thru a series of acceptances. The "totalitarian tiptoe" as David Icke says. If the people accept the censorship of opposing ideas on vaccinations or election fraud, what's next? If it isn't stopped it will only multiply and flourish. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have said.

You should be judged for your speech. I have no problem with that. But first you need the opportunity to say something.

But you can say something! Soon after you may get cancelled, but in the terms of the laws, that 's not a prohibition on "free speech" it's a completely different thing that has not rules around it, the cancel culture

Go on Facebook and say whatever you want, then you will be cancelled it they decided it's not good, but you *did* speak up, so your right to speak up was not cancelled at all

The best way to enforce fascism is not to go around killing people who you don't like, it's to make the population enforce it themselves. (snitch on your neighbor)

That way, if someone complains, the gov can just say "we are not involved" thoughts and prayers" "we condemn what happened" etc etc etc, and the message is sent across the country. Little by little a lot of people stops speaking up because they don't want to be the next on the "thoughts and prayers" queue

Social Zombies are very useful, you know?

The real free speech that you are thinking about, when you can say what you want and nothing happens and no repercussions? I think that died decades ago, but everyone was still not aware of the smell

[Mike]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line


All good points.

However, free speech really is being cancelled by way of big tech (and whatever force is behind it). There's the "free speech" you're referring to, which of course isn't really free because of the consequences..as you pointed out. And now there's things you simply can't say publicly, on social media, because it's removed or censored. There are no consequences because you can't even say it to begin with!:)(or write it).

It's all done thru a series of acceptances. The "totalitarian tiptoe" as David Icke says. If the people accept the censorship of opposing ideas on vaccinations or election fraud, what's next? If it isn't stopped it will only multiply and flourish. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have said.

You should be judged for your speech. I have no problem with that. But first you need the opportunity to say something.

But you can say something! Soon after you may get cancelled, but in the terms of the laws, that 's not a prohibition on "free speech" it's a completely different thing that has not rules around it, the cancel culture

Go on Facebook and say whatever you want, then you will be cancelled it they decided it's not good, but you *did* speak up, so your right to speak up was not cancelled at all

The best way to enforce fascism is not to go around killing people who you don't like, it's to make the population enforce it themselves. (snitch on your neighbor)

That way, if someone complains, the gov can just say "we are not involved" thoughts and prayers" "we condemn what happened" etc etc etc, and the message is sent across the country. Little by little a lot of people stops speaking up because they don't want to be the next on the "thoughts and prayers" queue

Social Zombies are very useful, you know?

The real free speech that you are thinking about, when you can say what you want and nothing happens and no repercussions? I think that died decades ago, but everyone was still not aware of the smell


Yes, you can say it momentarily maybe:). But then it gets removed. And you can't say it again (unless you want to get kicked off the platform). That's the consequence. You're right, and fair enough. But the concept of free speech involves free speech in perpetuity. In other words, it's not free speech if you can only say it once:). That's not how the 1rst amendment is written. Perhaps this is all done very differently in Russia.

Anyway, regardless of how one defines it, the point is that free speech in America is being highly corrupted. Facebook is only one way in which it's being corrupted. FB is a business entity, so they can legally dictate what people say on their platform. The problem though, is twofold. Firstly they have a near monopoly on online communication. And second, the United States government is now dictating what's allowed and what isn't on FB. So the US gov is now controlling free speech thru FB. That's unconstitutional, which is a major no-no here.

The US does not have "hate speech" laws, thankfully, so you cannot get into any legal trouble for saying what you want to say. Free speech is only restricted, legally, in a few instances: threatening violence, saying "bomb" on an airplane, "fire" in a movie theatre..and things like that (when there is no bomb or fire). Cancel culture generally involves private business entities firing people for saying or writing something that is politically incorrect, so that's a whole other monster.

[Mashika]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line


All good points.

However, free speech really is being cancelled by way of big tech (and whatever force is behind it). There's the "free speech" you're referring to, which of course isn't really free because of the consequences..as you pointed out. And now there's things you simply can't say publicly, on social media, because it's removed or censored. There are no consequences because you can't even say it to begin with!:)(or write it).

It's all done thru a series of acceptances. The "totalitarian tiptoe" as David Icke says. If the people accept the censorship of opposing ideas on vaccinations or election fraud, what's next? If it isn't stopped it will only multiply and flourish. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have said.

You should be judged for your speech. I have no problem with that. But first you need the opportunity to say something.

But you can say something! Soon after you may get cancelled, but in the terms of the laws, that 's not a prohibition on "free speech" it's a completely different thing that has not rules around it, the cancel culture

Go on Facebook and say whatever you want, then you will be cancelled it they decided it's not good, but you *did* speak up, so your right to speak up was not cancelled at all

The best way to enforce fascism is not to go around killing people who you don't like, it's to make the population enforce it themselves. (snitch on your neighbor)

That way, if someone complains, the gov can just say "we are not involved" thoughts and prayers" "we condemn what happened" etc etc etc, and the message is sent across the country. Little by little a lot of people stops speaking up because they don't want to be the next on the "thoughts and prayers" queue

Social Zombies are very useful, you know?

The real free speech that you are thinking about, when you can say what you want and nothing happens and no repercussions? I think that died decades ago, but everyone was still not aware of the smell


Yes, you can say it momentarily maybe:). But then it gets removed. And you can't say it again (unless you want to get kicked off the platform). That's the consequence. You're right, and fair enough. But the concept of free speech involves free speech in perpetuity. In other words, it's not free speech if you can only say it once:). That's not how the 1rst amendment is written. Perhaps this is all done very differently in Russia.

Anyway, regardless of how one defines it, the point is that free speech in America is being highly corrupted. Facebook is only one way in which it's being corrupted. FB is a private entity, so they can legally dictate what people say on their platform. The problem though, is twofold. Firstly they have a near monopoly on online communication. And second, the United States government is now dictating what's allowed and what isn't on FB. So the US gov is now controlling free speech thru FB. That's unconstitutional, which is a major no-no here.

The US does not have "hate speech" laws, thankfully, so you cannot get into any legal trouble for saying what you want to say. Free speech is only restricted, legally, in a few instances: threatening violence, saying "bomb" on an airplane, "fire" in a movie theatre..and things like that (when there is no bomb or fire). Cancel culture generally involves private business entities firing people for saying or writing something that is politically correct, so that's a whole other monster.

Just to clarify, this is the first amendment, correct?



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Now please tell me where does it says there that you won't be prosecuted or cancelled by having spoken up about something (By the public! Not the government), that the zombies created by your government will immediately cancel along with your business and life, if possible,,, once you said something that was considered 'bad'. You did speak up, yes, no one questions that and your voice was heard, but what happens after that?

I don't know much about American law, but it does seem you are interpreting it in a way while the written word had a loophole of sorts. I don't know if there is more to it, so if there is please let me know, i'm just working on the understanding of what "free speech" means from what understand so far

[Mike]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line


All good points.

However, free speech really is being cancelled by way of big tech (and whatever force is behind it). There's the "free speech" you're referring to, which of course isn't really free because of the consequences..as you pointed out. And now there's things you simply can't say publicly, on social media, because it's removed or censored. There are no consequences because you can't even say it to begin with!:)(or write it).

It's all done thru a series of acceptances. The "totalitarian tiptoe" as David Icke says. If the people accept the censorship of opposing ideas on vaccinations or election fraud, what's next? If it isn't stopped it will only multiply and flourish. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have said.

You should be judged for your speech. I have no problem with that. But first you need the opportunity to say something.

But you can say something! Soon after you may get cancelled, but in the terms of the laws, that 's not a prohibition on "free speech" it's a completely different thing that has not rules around it, the cancel culture

Go on Facebook and say whatever you want, then you will be cancelled it they decided it's not good, but you *did* speak up, so your right to speak up was not cancelled at all

The best way to enforce fascism is not to go around killing people who you don't like, it's to make the population enforce it themselves. (snitch on your neighbor)

That way, if someone complains, the gov can just say "we are not involved" thoughts and prayers" "we condemn what happened" etc etc etc, and the message is sent across the country. Little by little a lot of people stops speaking up because they don't want to be the next on the "thoughts and prayers" queue

Social Zombies are very useful, you know?

The real free speech that you are thinking about, when you can say what you want and nothing happens and no repercussions? I think that died decades ago, but everyone was still not aware of the smell


Yes, you can say it momentarily maybe:). But then it gets removed. And you can't say it again (unless you want to get kicked off the platform). That's the consequence. You're right, and fair enough. But the concept of free speech involves free speech in perpetuity. In other words, it's not free speech if you can only say it once:). That's not how the 1rst amendment is written. Perhaps this is all done very differently in Russia.

Anyway, regardless of how one defines it, the point is that free speech in America is being highly corrupted. Facebook is only one way in which it's being corrupted. FB is a private entity, so they can legally dictate what people say on their platform. The problem though, is twofold. Firstly they have a near monopoly on online communication. And second, the United States government is now dictating what's allowed and what isn't on FB. So the US gov is now controlling free speech thru FB. That's unconstitutional, which is a major no-no here.

The US does not have "hate speech" laws, thankfully, so you cannot get into any legal trouble for saying what you want to say. Free speech is only restricted, legally, in a few instances: threatening violence, saying "bomb" on an airplane, "fire" in a movie theatre..and things like that (when there is no bomb or fire). Cancel culture generally involves private business entities firing people for saying or writing something that is politically correct, so that's a whole other monster.

Just to clarify, this is the first amendment, correct?



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Now please tell me where does it says there that you won't be prosecuted or cancelled by having spoken up about something (By the public! Not the government), that the zombies created by your government will immediately cancel along with your business and life, if possible,,, once you said something that was considered 'bad'. You did speak up, yes, no one questions that and your voice was heard, but what happens after that?

I don't know much about American law, but it does seem you are interpreting it in a way while the written word had a loophole of sorts. I don't know if there is more to it, so if there is please let me know, i'm just working on the understanding of what "free speech" means from what understand so far



People get cancelled all the time here now. And it's usually for speech or something written. But as I said in my previous post, the cancelling is done by private business entities. They have their own rules. So you can get fired from your job for saying all sorts of things. Our athletes get fined all the time for criticizing referees, for example. Stuff like that.

But they don't get prosecuted. There are no legal ramifications. They don't go to jail. They are not arrested. The 1rst amendment protects them - legally - in their freedom of speech. But a private business entitiy can fire someone if their speech is "contrary to our values". So that's the distinction.

[Mashika]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line


All good points.

However, free speech really is being cancelled by way of big tech (and whatever force is behind it). There's the "free speech" you're referring to, which of course isn't really free because of the consequences..as you pointed out. And now there's things you simply can't say publicly, on social media, because it's removed or censored. There are no consequences because you can't even say it to begin with!:)(or write it).

It's all done thru a series of acceptances. The "totalitarian tiptoe" as David Icke says. If the people accept the censorship of opposing ideas on vaccinations or election fraud, what's next? If it isn't stopped it will only multiply and flourish. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have said.

You should be judged for your speech. I have no problem with that. But first you need the opportunity to say something.

But you can say something! Soon after you may get cancelled, but in the terms of the laws, that 's not a prohibition on "free speech" it's a completely different thing that has not rules around it, the cancel culture

Go on Facebook and say whatever you want, then you will be cancelled it they decided it's not good, but you *did* speak up, so your right to speak up was not cancelled at all

The best way to enforce fascism is not to go around killing people who you don't like, it's to make the population enforce it themselves. (snitch on your neighbor)

That way, if someone complains, the gov can just say "we are not involved" thoughts and prayers" "we condemn what happened" etc etc etc, and the message is sent across the country. Little by little a lot of people stops speaking up because they don't want to be the next on the "thoughts and prayers" queue

Social Zombies are very useful, you know?

The real free speech that you are thinking about, when you can say what you want and nothing happens and no repercussions? I think that died decades ago, but everyone was still not aware of the smell


Yes, you can say it momentarily maybe:). But then it gets removed. And you can't say it again (unless you want to get kicked off the platform). That's the consequence. You're right, and fair enough. But the concept of free speech involves free speech in perpetuity. In other words, it's not free speech if you can only say it once:). That's not how the 1rst amendment is written. Perhaps this is all done very differently in Russia.

Anyway, regardless of how one defines it, the point is that free speech in America is being highly corrupted. Facebook is only one way in which it's being corrupted. FB is a private entity, so they can legally dictate what people say on their platform. The problem though, is twofold. Firstly they have a near monopoly on online communication. And second, the United States government is now dictating what's allowed and what isn't on FB. So the US gov is now controlling free speech thru FB. That's unconstitutional, which is a major no-no here.

The US does not have "hate speech" laws, thankfully, so you cannot get into any legal trouble for saying what you want to say. Free speech is only restricted, legally, in a few instances: threatening violence, saying "bomb" on an airplane, "fire" in a movie theatre..and things like that (when there is no bomb or fire). Cancel culture generally involves private business entities firing people for saying or writing something that is politically correct, so that's a whole other monster.

Just to clarify, this is the first amendment, correct?



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Now please tell me where does it says there that you won't be prosecuted or cancelled by having spoken up about something (By the public! Not the government), that the zombies created by your government will immediately cancel along with your business and life, if possible,,, once you said something that was considered 'bad'. You did speak up, yes, no one questions that and your voice was heard, but what happens after that?

I don't know much about American law, but it does seem you are interpreting it in a way while the written word had a loophole of sorts. I don't know if there is more to it, so if there is please let me know, i'm just working on the understanding of what "free speech" means from what understand so far



People get cancelled all the time here now. And it's usually for speech or something written. But as I said in my previous post, the cancelling is done by private business entities. They have their own rules. So you can get fired from your job for saying all sorts of things. Our athletes get fined all the time for criticizing referees, for example. Stuff like that.

But they don't get prosecuted. There are no legal ramifications. They don't go to jail. They are not arrested. The 1rst amendment protects them - legally - in their freedom of speech. But a private business entitiy can fire someone if their speech is "contrary to our values". So that's the distinction.

The main problem i see is "people get cancelled all the time her now"

It doesn't matter if it was a private business or whatever. The problem is, "it happened"

Assange and Snowden are clear examples of it. Assange is not even a US citizen lol.

The level of it is out there, it has been for lots of years. It just "Tricle down" over time, until everyone else starts following. You are saying this today, but it has been in the working for decades now

This is not "happening". It already did decades ago, that's all i'm trying to say

[Mike]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line


All good points.

However, free speech really is being cancelled by way of big tech (and whatever force is behind it). There's the "free speech" you're referring to, which of course isn't really free because of the consequences..as you pointed out. And now there's things you simply can't say publicly, on social media, because it's removed or censored. There are no consequences because you can't even say it to begin with!:)(or write it).

It's all done thru a series of acceptances. The "totalitarian tiptoe" as David Icke says. If the people accept the censorship of opposing ideas on vaccinations or election fraud, what's next? If it isn't stopped it will only multiply and flourish. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have said.

You should be judged for your speech. I have no problem with that. But first you need the opportunity to say something.

But you can say something! Soon after you may get cancelled, but in the terms of the laws, that 's not a prohibition on "free speech" it's a completely different thing that has not rules around it, the cancel culture

Go on Facebook and say whatever you want, then you will be cancelled it they decided it's not good, but you *did* speak up, so your right to speak up was not cancelled at all

The best way to enforce fascism is not to go around killing people who you don't like, it's to make the population enforce it themselves. (snitch on your neighbor)

That way, if someone complains, the gov can just say "we are not involved" thoughts and prayers" "we condemn what happened" etc etc etc, and the message is sent across the country. Little by little a lot of people stops speaking up because they don't want to be the next on the "thoughts and prayers" queue

Social Zombies are very useful, you know?

The real free speech that you are thinking about, when you can say what you want and nothing happens and no repercussions? I think that died decades ago, but everyone was still not aware of the smell


Yes, you can say it momentarily maybe:). But then it gets removed. And you can't say it again (unless you want to get kicked off the platform). That's the consequence. You're right, and fair enough. But the concept of free speech involves free speech in perpetuity. In other words, it's not free speech if you can only say it once:). That's not how the 1rst amendment is written. Perhaps this is all done very differently in Russia.

Anyway, regardless of how one defines it, the point is that free speech in America is being highly corrupted. Facebook is only one way in which it's being corrupted. FB is a private entity, so they can legally dictate what people say on their platform. The problem though, is twofold. Firstly they have a near monopoly on online communication. And second, the United States government is now dictating what's allowed and what isn't on FB. So the US gov is now controlling free speech thru FB. That's unconstitutional, which is a major no-no here.

The US does not have "hate speech" laws, thankfully, so you cannot get into any legal trouble for saying what you want to say. Free speech is only restricted, legally, in a few instances: threatening violence, saying "bomb" on an airplane, "fire" in a movie theatre..and things like that (when there is no bomb or fire). Cancel culture generally involves private business entities firing people for saying or writing something that is politically correct, so that's a whole other monster.

Just to clarify, this is the first amendment, correct?



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Now please tell me where does it says there that you won't be prosecuted or cancelled by having spoken up about something (By the public! Not the government), that the zombies created by your government will immediately cancel along with your business and life, if possible,,, once you said something that was considered 'bad'. You did speak up, yes, no one questions that and your voice was heard, but what happens after that?

I don't know much about American law, but it does seem you are interpreting it in a way while the written word had a loophole of sorts. I don't know if there is more to it, so if there is please let me know, i'm just working on the understanding of what "free speech" means from what understand so far



People get cancelled all the time here now. And it's usually for speech or something written. But as I said in my previous post, the cancelling is done by private business entities. They have their own rules. So you can get fired from your job for saying all sorts of things. Our athletes get fined all the time for criticizing referees, for example. Stuff like that.

But they don't get prosecuted. There are no legal ramifications. They don't go to jail. They are not arrested. The 1rst amendment protects them - legally - in their freedom of speech. But a private business entitiy can fire someone if their speech is "contrary to our values". So that's the distinction.

The main problem i see is "people get cancelled all the time her now"

It doesn't matter if it was a private business or whatever. The problem is, "it happened"

Assange and Snowden are clear examples of it. Assange is not even a US citizen lol.

The level of it is out there, it has been for lots of years. It just "Tricle down" over time, until everyone else starts following. You are saying this today, but it has been in the working for decades now

This is not "happening". It already did decades ago, that's all i'm trying to say


Yes, people getting cancelled is a huge problem! Couldn't agree more Masha. I've had a few things to say about that in my billions of bitchy threads on the matter. Maybe you've noticed;)

The example here is slightly confusing because FB is a business entity, and therefore can dictate what people say and write on the platform. That's perfectly legal. The issue is that the US government is now meddling with it, by telling FB which posts are appropriate and which are not.

So speech is being censored illegally, in this instance (at least I think it is. I'm not a legal scholar but this seems very wrong. Of course the US gov is presenting this as "suggestions" to FB, and not orders, which is a verbal sleight of hand to avoid accusations of free speech tampering) And speech is being censored legally, usually thru social pressure by way of "cancelling". Both are pretty egregious. But there is a distinction.

Never in US history, that I'm aware of, has the US government so openly and unapologetically meddled with our free speech laws. That's what I found so shocking ...not that they were doing it, but that they were doing it so openly

[Mashika]

Free speech is not in the way to be cancelled, it will remain available forever. However, there are some considerations authoritarian states enforce

1. You can say whatever you want, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. No one will stop you from speaking up, because "It's your right", and they will say that with straight faces on a nice press conference
2. If what you said, while speaking up, is good for the regime, then it's not "hateful" speech, and you will keep going on happily. But don't think, in the wonderful feeling of being uncensored, that you can also do go against the state in some items. It's a one way road.
3. You are only a patriot as long as you always toe the line, if you differ on some points, it's over for you, cancel time

The individual is cancelled, not a global free speech right. So if anyone asks, they can just say "Of course we have free speech! Look at this and that, everyone can say whatever they want!" and they forget to mention the part where you get to deal with the consequences in real time, and get cancelled and lose everything. So yeah, Speaking up is free, there's no lie on that

Free speech is defined as some kind of broken logic and mental illness the way i can see it. You can talk about whatever you want, but then you will be judged. Real free speech is not around anymore, since very long time ago, it's all a show and fabrication of the perception that people have it, as long as it doesn't go beyond some line


All good points.

However, free speech really is being cancelled by way of big tech (and whatever force is behind it). There's the "free speech" you're referring to, which of course isn't really free because of the consequences..as you pointed out. And now there's things you simply can't say publicly, on social media, because it's removed or censored. There are no consequences because you can't even say it to begin with!:)(or write it).

It's all done thru a series of acceptances. The "totalitarian tiptoe" as David Icke says. If the people accept the censorship of opposing ideas on vaccinations or election fraud, what's next? If it isn't stopped it will only multiply and flourish. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have said.

You should be judged for your speech. I have no problem with that. But first you need the opportunity to say something.

But you can say something! Soon after you may get cancelled, but in the terms of the laws, that 's not a prohibition on "free speech" it's a completely different thing that has not rules around it, the cancel culture

Go on Facebook and say whatever you want, then you will be cancelled it they decided it's not good, but you *did* speak up, so your right to speak up was not cancelled at all

The best way to enforce fascism is not to go around killing people who you don't like, it's to make the population enforce it themselves. (snitch on your neighbor)

That way, if someone complains, the gov can just say "we are not involved" thoughts and prayers" "we condemn what happened" etc etc etc, and the message is sent across the country. Little by little a lot of people stops speaking up because they don't want to be the next on the "thoughts and prayers" queue

Social Zombies are very useful, you know?

The real free speech that you are thinking about, when you can say what you want and nothing happens and no repercussions? I think that died decades ago, but everyone was still not aware of the smell


Yes, you can say it momentarily maybe:). But then it gets removed. And you can't say it again (unless you want to get kicked off the platform). That's the consequence. You're right, and fair enough. But the concept of free speech involves free speech in perpetuity. In other words, it's not free speech if you can only say it once:). That's not how the 1rst amendment is written. Perhaps this is all done very differently in Russia.

Anyway, regardless of how one defines it, the point is that free speech in America is being highly corrupted. Facebook is only one way in which it's being corrupted. FB is a private entity, so they can legally dictate what people say on their platform. The problem though, is twofold. Firstly they have a near monopoly on online communication. And second, the United States government is now dictating what's allowed and what isn't on FB. So the US gov is now controlling free speech thru FB. That's unconstitutional, which is a major no-no here.

The US does not have "hate speech" laws, thankfully, so you cannot get into any legal trouble for saying what you want to say. Free speech is only restricted, legally, in a few instances: threatening violence, saying "bomb" on an airplane, "fire" in a movie theatre..and things like that (when there is no bomb or fire). Cancel culture generally involves private business entities firing people for saying or writing something that is politically correct, so that's a whole other monster.

Just to clarify, this is the first amendment, correct?



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Now please tell me where does it says there that you won't be prosecuted or cancelled by having spoken up about something (By the public! Not the government), that the zombies created by your government will immediately cancel along with your business and life, if possible,,, once you said something that was considered 'bad'. You did speak up, yes, no one questions that and your voice was heard, but what happens after that?

I don't know much about American law, but it does seem you are interpreting it in a way while the written word had a loophole of sorts. I don't know if there is more to it, so if there is please let me know, i'm just working on the understanding of what "free speech" means from what understand so far



People get cancelled all the time here now. And it's usually for speech or something written. But as I said in my previous post, the cancelling is done by private business entities. They have their own rules. So you can get fired from your job for saying all sorts of things. Our athletes get fined all the time for criticizing referees, for example. Stuff like that.

But they don't get prosecuted. There are no legal ramifications. They don't go to jail. They are not arrested. The 1rst amendment protects them - legally - in their freedom of speech. But a private business entitiy can fire someone if their speech is "contrary to our values". So that's the distinction.

The main problem i see is "people get cancelled all the time her now"

It doesn't matter if it was a private business or whatever. The problem is, "it happened"

Assange and Snowden are clear examples of it. Assange is not even a US citizen lol.

The level of it is out there, it has been for lots of years. It just "Tricle down" over time, until everyone else starts following. You are saying this today, but it has been in the working for decades now

This is not "happening". It already did decades ago, that's all i'm trying to say


Yes, people getting cancelled is a huge problem! Couldn't agree more Masha. I've had a few things to say about that in my billions of bitchy threads on the matter. Maybe you've noticed;)

The example here is slightly confusing because FB is a business entity, and therefore can dictate what people say and write on the platform. That's perfectly legal. The issue is that the US government is now meddling with it, by telling FB which posts are appropriate and which are not.

So speech is being censored illegally, in this instance (at least I think it is. I'm not a legal scholar but this seems very wrong. Of course the US gov is presenting this as "suggestions" to FB, and not orders, which is a verbal sleight of hand to avoid accusations of free speech tampering) And speech is being censored legally, usually thru social pressure by way of "cancelling". Both are pretty egregious. But there is a distinction.

Never in US history, that I'm aware of, has the US government so openly and unapologetically meddled with our free speech laws. That's what I found so shocking ...not that they were doing it, but that they were doing it so openly

In some middle eastern countries, it is legal to kill a wife if the man thinks she did wrong. The law says so. maybe she did clean the clothes wrong several times, or she cheated, or she was 13 years old and did not know how to act sexually! But... It's the law!

Do you see what i mean? It's the perception of all those things together. It grows over time until people, in the general public, perceive reality as such. If the parents of the 13 year old girl speak up, they may also face penalty, because "it's the law". And it's done openly! The problem i see is not about the law, but how it's being implemented, so that every says that exact same thing. "It's the law" as messed up as it is, yes "it is the law!"

So, right now, you are saying "free speech is getting cancelled" but, it happens to "be within the law. Is not free speech cancelled what your primary focus should be, but what other rights, at the root, will be taken away as well.. Because.. It's within the law.

[Mashika]

You mentioned about free speech in Russia.. And it is a very funny thing, but i'll keep it as short as possible. As a way to show you how ridiculous laws are, here's a sample of the Russian constitution:



Article 68

1. The Russian language shall be a state language on the whole territory of the Russian Federation.

2. The Republics shall have the right to establish their own state languages. In the bodies of state authority and local self-government, state institutions of the Republics they shall be used together with the state language of the Russian Federation.

3. The Russian Federation shall guarantee to all of its peoples the right to preserve their native language and to create conditions for its study and development.


Which means i can say i belong to Russia, but i'm also allowed to insult badly the cops in "Balachka" which is an old Cossack language or slang from Ukraine. Cops probably would not know what i said, and i could insult them badly. But due to the constitution, they can't do nothing about it! I'm a Cossack, it's my right to speak it!

Constitutions...

[Mike]

If she cleaned the clothes wrong she definitely doesn't deserve to die. She only deserves a swift uppercut. Right? I'm kidding of course. You never hit a woman with an uppercut..they fall in an ugly heap. But a stiff jab on the other hand, that seems appropriate.

Ok, so that tasteless joke about domestic violence would likely get me fired if I delivered it on the job. But I wouldn't get arrested for it. See?

Of course I do see what you mean!:) I'm stubbornly making the distiction between prosecution and cancellation because you seem to have conflated the 2 above as it pertains to the 1rst amendment.

[Mashika]

If she cleaned the clothes wrong she definitely doesn't deserve to die. She only deserves a swift uppercut. Right? I'm kidding of course. You never hit a woman with an uppercut..they fall in an ugly heap. But a stiff jab on the other hand, that seems appropriate.

Ok, so that tasteless joke about domestic violence would likely get me fired if I delivered it on the job. But I wouldn't get arrested for it. See?

Of course I do see what you mean!:) I'm stubbornly making the distiction between prosecution and cancellation because you seem to have conflated the 2 above as it pertains to the 1rst amendment.

Only because i can see it all going into the same direction! From all i have seen so far. It not really very later than when people starts thinking "this is right or this is wrong" that they later idealize., then want to enforce it, and right now, the enforcing part is way back in the past, i believe, Fascism is born out of that, in the end.

Question: How far before "The end" do you think you guys are?

[Mike]

If she cleaned the clothes wrong she definitely doesn't deserve to die. She only deserves a swift uppercut. Right? I'm kidding of course. You never hit a woman with an uppercut..they fall in an ugly heap. But a stiff jab on the other hand, that seems appropriate.

Ok, so that tasteless joke about domestic violence would likely get me fired if I delivered it on the job. But I wouldn't get arrested for it. See?

Of course I do see what you mean!:) I'm stubbornly making the distiction between prosecution and cancellation because you seem to have conflated the 2 above as it pertains to the 1rst amendment.

Only because i can see it all going into the same direction! From all i have seen so far. It not really very later than when people starts thinking "this is right or this is wrong" that they later idealize., then want to enforce it, and right now, the enforcing part is way back in the past, i believe, Fascism is born out of that, in the end.

Question: How far before "The end" do you think you guys are?



Yeah for sure. It's kind of a 2 headed monster. It does all have the same effect ultimately. You're 100% right about that. Any way you cut it, it's bad.

I'm not disputing any of that. But I was moved to start the thread because the US gov was doing it so openly and casually. That made a real impression on me.

How far before the end? That's a great question. If you asked me a few months ago, I would have been pretty pessimistic. But now people are fighting back. They're hip to what's going on, and they're pushing back against it. However, all this drama here in America feels planned out and structured, and I imagine "they" have contingency plans upon contingency plans. I have to remain hopeful to stay sane, but I have serious doubts.

How's the situation in Russia? Can you openly challenge vaccinations and stuff like that? What's the government narrative on things like that? Because I may have to relocate soon lol

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

I fully appreciate the discussion, and fully support free speech, but this freedom of expression is getting a little hard to read! :)

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[Mike]

Bill I agree fully. And I blame Masha for all of it:) If she would have just admitted I was right all along, none of this would have happened.

[Mashika]

How's the situation in Russia? Can you openly challenge vaccinations and stuff like that? What's the government narrative on things like that? Because I may have to relocate soon lol


Few weeks ago there was a mandate to enforce people to do one of two things: vacinate or get tested every 2 weeks or so, and to enter any coffee shop or public location you had to show your QR code so they could see your status. But people did not want to, so it has just been removed a day or two ago. So now people can go anywhere as they want :)

[RunningDeer]

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See "When Face Masks Aren't Enough"

https://geoffolson.substack.com/

[Tintin]

...by emotionally blaming this person or that group, etc.



Yes, and psychologists often refer to this as fundamental attribution error (https://www.simplypsychology.org/fundamental-attribution.html).

It's so easy (and lazy) to apportion blame to groups of people, or 'other' groups.

We've all at some time in our lives done this, perhaps even justifiably on occasion, but learn over time that personal responsibility and levels of self-awareness and understanding can ameliorate this, so that the individual in any group can do the same.

The value in a group dynamic is the collaborative nature of it, but may be discretely ideologically approached, for the betterment of that (diverse) community.

And all communities are diverse, by definition, as they consist of diverse individuals.

[Satori]

"What’s your message to places like Facebook?" (19 seconds)


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Over time I became more outraged by what this usurper said in this video. Talk about dividing people. According to his handlers if you don’t take the poison jab you are a killer. The “pandemic” is the un-jabbed. Pure evil lies.

Watch him struggle to remember the sound bite that has been drilled into his head, and the lines of the script. He was told to respond to any such question in that manner. I suspect the whole scene was a set up and scripted. He took no other “question.”

It is no coincidence that Facebook was specifically referred to in the question. His mouthpiece Psaki recently specifically stated that this [illegitimate regime] is working with Facebook to silence truth and dissent.

What he said is not something he even understands or necessarily believes.

This scripted scene occurred not only in concert with Psaki’s statement, but also as the so-called Surgeon General is calling for silencing speech about the real pandemic—mass genocide. No opinions, science and evidence opposing the official narrative is to be tolerated by them.

I say we don’t tolerate them and their evil agenda.

[RunningDeer]

Over time I became more outraged by what this usurper said in this video. Talk about dividing people. According to his handlers if you don’t take the poison jab you are a killer. The “pandemic” is the un-jabbed. Pure evil lies.

Watch him struggle to remember the sound bite that has been drilled into his head, and the lines of the script. He was told to respond to any such question in that manner. I suspect the whole scene was a set up and scripted. He took no other “question.”

It is no coincidence that Facebook was specifically referred to in the question. His mouthpiece Psaki recently specifically stated that this is working with Facebook to silence truth and dissent.

What he said is not something he even understands or necessarily believes.

This scripted scene occurred not only in concert with Psaki’s statement, but also as the so-called Surgeon General is calling for silencing speech about the real pandemic—mass genocide. No opinions, science and evidence opposing the official narrative is to be tolerated by them.

I say we don’t tolerate them and their evil agenda.

I suspect there’s a link between this uptick from the Biden administration and timing of the class action lawsuit announced on July 7, 2021. Scores of patriots are also moving forward with lawsuits.


Trump Announces Class Action Lawsuit - ‘Liberty Is Under Attack’ (23 min)

[direct link (https://rumble.com/vjjior-trump-announces-class-action-lawsuit-liberty-is-under-attack.html)]
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Vivek Ramaswamy: [I]If this case is argued in the right way, it has the potential to go all the way to the supreme court and potentially be one of the defining cases of our time. Because the conventional wisdom says there are private companies and of course somebody could bring a suit like this. But the heart of the legal claim here is these private companies are not actually acting as private companies. They are acting on behalf of the Federal Government and they are protected by them.



Trump's lawsuit could be 'defining case of our time': Ramaswamy (4:14 min)

Biotech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy discusses the implications of
former President Trump's lawsuit against big tech.

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[RunningDeer]

Mike, I know you’re flexible about poster being on point and you're a promoter of comedy. Some of these definitions fit the thread.


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Armaments

Devices manufactured by the unspeakable and marketed to the questionable to target the expendable.

Artificial Intelligence

Machine-based learning networks that some scientists fear will one day overtake human beings at Natural Stupidity.

Brain

A device that miraculously starts on its own every morning, and doesn’t stop until the moment the owner arrives at work. Ancient firmware running outdated software, slated for upgrading and eventual replacement (see Artificial Intelligence).

Bureaucracy

A gargantuan, Oz-like mechanism that some prefer to believe is ruled by a single hidden wizard rather than a bunch of officious Munchkins.

Commute

A time-consuming drive to a job you don’t like in a car you can’t afford to buy **** you don’t need to impress people you don’t know (adapted from Fight Club).

Cult of the Donkey

An American quasi-religious sports team formed of “Democrats,” who play a shirts-and-skins match against “Republicans” every few years, using the entire nation as a playing field (see Cult of the Elephant).

Cult of the Elephant

An American quasi-religious sports team formed of Republicans, who every few years play a shirts-and-skins match against Democrats (see Cult of the Donkey).

Gaia

Name of a Greek goddess cribbed by NASA atmospheric physicist James Lovelock to describe the self-regulating properties of Earth’s biosphere. In popular parlance it’s an updated term for Mother Nature. “Gaia” doesn’t show up in the vocabulary of plutocrats, oil barons or arms makers. But as they say, behind every great man there’s a woman rolling her eyes. And in this case, the lady’s got a hot temper and is able to burn more than dinner.

IMF

The International Monetary Fund, a financial lending institution that lends money to credit-strapped governments. Also an English quasi-abbreviation used worldwide by workers downsized after bank demands for domestic structural adjustments – “I’m fired.” (I’m not making this up.)

Instant Coffee

“A well–deserved punishment for being in a hurry to reach the future.” - Alan Watts

Magic Rectangles

Smart phones, tablets and computer monitors. The embryonic forms of our future robot overlords (see Social Distancing).

OIL

An initialism for Operation Iraq Liberation. According to journalist Greg Palast, this was the preliminary name for the US invasion of 2003, before White House operatives chose to be a little less obvious in their snark. It was switched at the last minute to Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Organized Religion

A successful cult with good PR.

Rock Music

A form of music once associated with youth, expressing high-spirited energy and defiant resistance. Artifacts in the form of “sound files” continued to be played on digital devices and boomer radio, though today original content is rarely made and even less rarely performed (see Social Distancing).

Science Fiction

A genre of speculative fiction that typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, space exploration, time travel, parallel universes, dystopic civilizations, and extraterrestrial beings. Also, the predominant way of life since 2020.

Social Distancing

Data is the new oil, and social distancing is a convenient means to get humans even more comfortable with solitary pursuits on their magic rectangles, with massive data harvesting taking place under the aegis of a global health emergency.

Southern Californish

A slow dialect of American English, in which the transitive verb “to bomb” has negative connotations in the area’s comedy clubs and movie studios, but positive connotations among the state’s defense contractors.

UFOs

Intialism for Unidentified Flaming Objections. Anonymous troll comments found in most social media feeds.

Voicemail Hell

“Welcome to Hell. If your message is about the Underworld’s boiling lava or poisonous snakes, press one. If you are interested in hot yoga, press two. If you would like to speak to one of the Archfiend’s minions, and you know the extension, press the appropriate code. If you would like beg God for a transfer upstairs, please hold for all eternity.”

Yoga

1) An ancient mind/body discipline in which physical poses are only one aspect.
2) A modern fashion-related discipline in which posers are the main aspect.

Zoom

A cloud-based peer-to-peer software platform used for teleconferencing, telecommuting, distance education, and social relations. Also the primary means of human connection in Hell.

link (https://geoffolson.substack.com/p/a-gremlins-glossary)

[thepainterdoug]

Lets see.

Im told theres a virus. i get it and get over it. My natural immune system won. i feel great.
I travel and get tested. i dont have it and feel great. End of story.

But i need to wear a mask to not spread what i dont have , and i need to get a vaccine for an illness i got over and dont have.

The vaccine will prevent others from getting this illness and so they get it and are now safe . But its not and they are still getting it.
And they are now afraid they will get it from me, who doesnt have it .

Then I am afraid of getting the shedding from those who got the vaccine that is altering our DNA .
Now i can't be close to them, and they dont want to be close to me . Its a standoff.

Now they create the variants story, it could be the "felix the cat" variant or any name of your choosing. And it will never stop.
so we all need to wear masks and need to get new vaccines for the new variants.

Meanwhile, heard immunity is never mentioned again. Death rate has been forgotten. Yearly flu and all other diseases forgotten.

And we are not allowed to question any of this because that would be mis information and will be reported to the thought police by the Biden regime who didnt even win the election.

Are there any comedy writers here at avalon ? i think there is an already written script here, ready to be cast and packaged to sell to HBO

If it were my show I would simply call it, " The Idiots "

[Merkaba360]

TUCKER AND GLENN GREENWALD ON BIDEN ADMIN TEAMING UP
WITH BIG TECH TO CENSOR “MISINFORMATION” (6 min)





Tucker Carlson: "Yes, the White House is actually in control of the information that you receive on your phone because the first amendment doesn’t exist. Politicians have taken over the media. But that’s totally fine because that’s disinformation. They said that out loud. And today, they didn’t back track or apologize or fire the person who said it or disavow what she said because it’s crazy, unconstitutional behavior. They doubled down. The same person, Joe Biden’s press secretary, said that if you're banned on one social media platform, then you should be banned everywhere."

You should be totally silenced if you disagree with the Joe Biden White House.





Glenn Greenwald Discusses Admission of White House Directing Opposition Censorship Through Big Tech


YzoUkA1EkAjx

It seems to me that they realized that they can't stop the awakening movement. This must be the reason they let the Fox news and such do what it does. Basically, trying to toss in all of the conscious awake crowd into the Republican party, cuz they are saying many of our truths. Then, dial up the polarization to use the left/right political scam to set up a fight between the unconscious hypnotized and the awakening people.

Does this make sense at all? Like its just been revamped a bit to label us into the right and sic the unconscious people on us.

Cuz why even bother expose so much. Why would they want to use Fox news to pound into our head that free speech and many other things are getting trampled on. In the past ignoring it was the way to go. I doubt that Fox News is "white hats" or whatever, cuz its still a circus, trying to rile people up and teach us to behave and speak rudely.

[RunningDeer]

It seems to me that they realized that they can't stop the awakening movement. This must be the reason they let the Fox news and such do what it does. Basically, trying to toss in all of the conscious awake crowd into the Republican party, cuz they are saying many of our truths. Then, dial up the polarization to use the left/right political scam to set up a fight between the unconscious hypnotized and the awakening people.

Does this make sense at all? Like its just been revamped a bit to label us into the right and sic the unconscious people on us.

Cuz why even bother expose so much. Why would they want to use Fox news to pound into our head that free speech and many other things are getting trampled on. In the past ignoring it was the way to go. I doubt that Fox News is "white hats" or whatever, cuz its still a circus, trying to rile people up and teach us to behave and speak rudely.

Yes, Merkaba, what you’ve explained makes sense.

I am of the opinion that many on Fox News are sincere in their intent. They care what happens to their kids and future grand kids. They want what most want on our planet. Family. Freedom. Peace. Love. Joy.

Some may think that’s a naive and simplistic way to view it, but for me… it all boils down to protection of your loved ones.

♡

[Ernie Nemeth]

The internet has drastically altered the information interchange on the entire planet. Anything and everything can be found on the internet. Every point of view and every area of interest are represented. Some are distasteful, some are evil, some are intention lies, and some make incorrect associations. Regardless of the fact that many misrepresentations exist among the nuggets of pertinent data, a discerning reader can make great headway toward edification in countless disciplines.

It truly is a marvel.

But in certain specific instances, we are told, we are not equipped to make our own decisions and therefore misinformation becomes dangerous to us. We must be shielded from this dangerous misinformation ever being placed before our eyes as it might corrupt and radicalize us. Ultimately, the authorities proclaim, our incorrect decisions could kill us, based on the lethal ideation caused by our puny brains being incapable of sorting out the conflicting data.

And if they don't act on behalf of our misguided selves, we would be in danger of becoming domestic terrorists by the very act of spreading the 'misinformation' further.

[Mike]

It seems to me that they realized that they can't stop the awakening movement. This must be the reason they let the Fox news and such do what it does. Basically, trying to toss in all of the conscious awake crowd into the Republican party, cuz they are saying many of our truths. Then, dial up the polarization to use the left/right political scam to set up a fight between the unconscious hypnotized and the awakening people.

Does this make sense at all? Like its just been revamped a bit to label us into the right and sic the unconscious people on us.

Cuz why even bother expose so much. Why would they want to use Fox news to pound into our head that free speech and many other things are getting trampled on. In the past ignoring it was the way to go. I doubt that Fox News is "white hats" or whatever, cuz its still a circus, trying to rile people up and teach us to behave and speak rudely.

Yes, Merkaba, what you’ve explained makes sense.

I am of the opinion that many on Fox News are sincere in their intent. They care what happens to their kids and future grand kids. They want what most want on our planet. Family. Freedom. Peace. Love. Joy.

Some may think that’s a naive and too simple way to view it, but for me… it all boils down to protection of your loved ones.

♡


I agree 100%.

When I was in my late 20's and 30's, I really thought FOX news was the evil empire. I was totally entrenched in that idea. I thought CNN and MSNBC were the good guys. I really and truly did. When you have a kind of low resolution view of the world based on mostly emotion, it's easily weaponized and used against you. Left leaning outlets take advantage of that. But it's not even a left/right thing with me - it's what makes clear sense and what doesn't. At the moment, most all of the FOX contributors make quite a bit of sense. Conservative voices like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh are like beacons of sanity in a rather insane world. I don't like them because they're "conservative", I like them because they're sane, grounded, sincere, and seem to genuinely care about the country.

While it's true that all those news outlets function as totally partisan entities, FOX news makes no secret of that. They openly declare it. Whereas CNN for example are still pretending to be an unbiased news source. And that is simply remarkable! Tucker Carlson is maybe the best listen on TV at the moment. Even just a few short years ago I wouldn't have dreamed of saying that! And I would have instantly recoiled if I'd heard someone else say it. I've always thought of myself as a liberal. But as the world has gotten progressively more insane I've been forced to become more conservative in relation to it. I don't consider that a political thing though. I consider it a sanity preserving thing

[Mike]

Hi Ernie, yep you nailed it.

It's a very slippery slope. On Avalon for example, things like the flat earth and the hollow earth are pretty much forbidden. I *do* understand why we have that policy and I respect it. It's ok by me because I trust Bill. I know it's not the beginning of some censorship campaign that will result in limited expression.

I do not trust my government, on the other hand. Give em an inch and they'll take a mile, as they say. But many of the people involved in this internet censorship stuff really think they're doing it for the right reasons, just like we do here on Avalon when it comes to flat earth and so on.

Everyone does what they think is right according to their understanding of the world. Mostly everyone anyway. So it's quite a tug of war there.

I'm in favor of full expression. I think everyone should be able to say and write whatever the hell they want, and let the chips fall where they may. That does pose some dangers obviously, but I think it's less risky than the alternative in the long run

[AutumnW]

https://i.imgur.com/x0YFmom.gif
https://i.imgur.com/aRwLzRP.gif


See "When Face Masks Aren't Enough"

https://geoffolson.substack.com/

Thank you dear Running Deer, my favorite pixie!

[Mike]

https://i.imgur.com/x0YFmom.gif
https://i.imgur.com/aRwLzRP.gif


See "When Face Masks Aren't Enough"

https://geoffolson.substack.com/

Thank you dear Running Deer, my favorite pixie!

Hey Jess, Geoff's piece was great, just like all the rest. A gem.

For what it's worth, I highly recommend everyone read Geoff's stuff. He's excellent. Always very funny and poignant

[AutumnW]

As Mike said, it's important to bare in mind that most people who promote censorship, are trying to help, in their own way. They believe that the vaccine is harmless and figure any information that counters that and encourages people not to vaccinate is anti-community.

But, in censoring anti-vaccination material on social media, they are laying the groundwork for broader based forms of censorship in the future. The U.S. already has hard forms of authoritarianism that affect some demographic groups more than others, so it wouldn't take much, with the help of AI to move to the same for everybody, under the guise of "helping the community."

[RunningDeer]

Thank you dear Running Deer, my favorite pixie!

Welcome back and you're welcome, AutumnW. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/comes-in-hug.gif
Pixie-Paula http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/come-from-behind.gif

[AutumnW]

https://i.imgur.com/x0YFmom.gif
https://i.imgur.com/aRwLzRP.gif


See "When Face Masks Aren't Enough"

https://geoffolson.substack.com/

Thank you dear Running Deer, my favorite pixie!

Hey Jess, Geoff's piece was great, just like all the rest. A gem.

For what it's worth, I highly recommend everyone read Geoff's stuff. He's excellent. Always very funny and poignant

Thanks so much for the thumbs up, Mike. That means a lot to me!YES!

[Mashika]

The internet has drastically altered the information interchange on the entire planet. Anything and everything can be found on the internet. Every point of view and every area of interest are represented. Some are distasteful, some are evil, some are intention lies, and some make incorrect associations. Regardless of the fact that many misrepresentations exist among the nuggets of pertinent data, a discerning reader can make great headway toward edification in countless disciplines.

It truly is a marvel.

But in certain specific instances, we are told, we are not equipped to make our own decisions and therefore misinformation becomes dangerous to us. We must be shielded from this dangerous misinformation ever being placed before our eyes as it might corrupt and radicalize us. Ultimately, the authorities proclaim, our incorrect decisions could kill us, based on the lethal ideation caused by our puny brains being incapable of sorting out the conflicting data.

And if they don't act on behalf of our misguided selves, we would be in danger of becoming domestic terrorists by the very act of spreading the 'misinformation' further.

One of the problems with the internet, i believe, is that there's so much stuff going on that people always get a "sense of urgency" to post or say something, before a million other messages come trough and your post is lost in the noise

For example, i have joined a few channels on Telegram, sometimes someone posts something important, and i start thinking about it, then want to say something and return to the app to post, and there are 9000 messages already! and the conversation has gone so far offtopic that it doesn't matter what i wanted to say, it's completely lost in the noise and people ignore it because now they are talking about a related topic, but not the original one i wanted to discuss

The sense of urgency around posting something to get your voice heard before the noise comes, causes a lot of people to just share or post stuff without even thinking about it more than 10 seconds, because you lose your chance to speak up, so a lot of people just share without verifying or double checking anything, then they just can't go back and edit or clarify, because *no one will read the clarification*. So their post ends up becoming part of the problem, it then starts being shared if people liked it, in the same way, with a sense of urgency to be the first one to share it and claim some *internet street points*

This happens everywhere, on Reddit, Facebook and other sites like VK and Twitter, The way those sites work actually pushes you to think and act like that. And conversations last for just a day or two tops, if you did not say anything on that time frame, don't even bother, it died already so find the next conversation. It's like an hyperactive brain at full speed

Oh and a side effect is that "the truth" sometimes becomes whatever was said on the post with more likes or the most shared one, and since there's so much stuff going on, people just look for it and read or watch and accept it as the truth, because so many people liked it so it can't be wrong, right? There's no time to research it or think deeply about it, there are other posts to comment or participate on. That's how the brain is wired on social media :)

[rgray222]

The fact that they are now equating speech with violence is a horrible attack on free speech itself. Once you accept the premise that speech can be equated to violence then you have lost free speech forever.

[Constance]

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[Mike]

The fact that they are now equating speech with violence is a horrible attack on free speech itself. Once you accept the premise that speech can be equated to violence then you have lost free speech forever.


Ah yes. Concept Creep.

Up until 5 minutes ago everyone knew speech was one thing and violence was another. But that's suddenly changed. Now, according to some activist lunatics, speech is violence. It makes no sense whatsoever, but things don't really need to make sense in this increasingly postmodern world. Language, like gender, is fluid and can mean whatever someone says it means. It's like that idiot Harvard professor declaring that 2+2 = 5.

Like most of these language manipulations, there is a strategy behind it. If language does indeed equal violence, then:

1) you can get arrested for your speech

2) people that don't like what you're saying can attack you violently and call it "self defense".

That's where this is leading.

[Patient]

The fact that they are now equating speech with violence is a horrible attack on free speech itself. Once you accept the premise that speech can be equated to violence then you have lost free speech forever.


Ah yes. Concept Creep.

Up until 5 minutes ago everyone knew speech was one thing and violence was another. But that's suddenly changed. Now, according to some activist lunatics, speech is violence. It makes no sense whatsoever, but things don't really need to make sense in this increasingly postmodern world. Language, like gender, is fluid and can mean whatever someone says it means. It's like that idiot Harvard professor declaring that 2+2 = 5.

Like most of these language manipulations, there is a strategy behind it. If language does indeed equal violence, then:

1) you can get arrested for your speech

2) people that don't like what you're saying can attack you violently and call it "self defense".

That's where this is leading.

What about music then? Lol!

It could really bring a new meaning to "Battle of the Bands"!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The fact that they are now equating speech with violence is a horrible attack on free speech itself. Once you accept the premise that speech can be equated to violence then you have lost free speech forever.


Ah yes. Concept Creep.

Up until 5 minutes ago everyone knew speech was one thing and violence was another. But that's suddenly changed. Now, according to some activist lunatics, speech is violence. It makes no sense whatsoever, but things don't really need to make sense in this increasingly postmodern world. Language, like gender, is fluid and can mean whatever someone says it means. It's like that idiot Harvard professor declaring that 2+2 = 5.

Like most of these language manipulations, there is a strategy behind it. If language does indeed equal violence, then:

1) you can get arrested for your speech

2) people that don't like what you're saying can attack you violently and call it "self defense".

That's where this is leading.

It gets even better though.


Australia renames shark attacks ‘interactions’ and ‘negative encounters’

The next time a shark savages a swimmer or surfer in Australia, there’s a new way to describe what has taken place. This is not an “attack” but an “interaction” or a “negative encounter”.

The reappraisal of shark semantics is part of efforts to change the way the public views the species, with the authorities and scientists eager that they should not be portrayed as man-eating monsters, despite increasing numbers of people being injured by sharks.

Australia renames shark attacks ‘interactions’ (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/australia-renames-shark-attacks-interactions-and-negative-encounters-kflmmc3t5)

So basically, when a killer shark rips you to pieces or even swallows you whole it's okay, it was just an "interaction".

But when you use some words that someone finds offensive, it's not okay, it's "violence".

47000

[Mike]

The fact that they are now equating speech with violence is a horrible attack on free speech itself. Once you accept the premise that speech can be equated to violence then you have lost free speech forever.


Ah yes. Concept Creep.

Up until 5 minutes ago everyone knew speech was one thing and violence was another. But that's suddenly changed. Now, according to some activist lunatics, speech is violence. It makes no sense whatsoever, but things don't really need to make sense in this increasingly postmodern world. Language, like gender, is fluid and can mean whatever someone says it means. It's like that idiot Harvard professor declaring that 2+2 = 5.

Like most of these language manipulations, there is a strategy behind it. If language does indeed equal violence, then:

1) you can get arrested for your speech

2) people that don't like what you're saying can attack you violently and call it "self defense".

That's where this is leading.

It gets even better though.


Australia renames shark attacks ‘interactions’ and ‘negative encounters’

The next time a shark savages a swimmer or surfer in Australia, there’s a new way to describe what has taken place. This is not an “attack” but an “interaction” or a “negative encounter”.

The reappraisal of shark semantics is part of efforts to change the way the public views the species, with the authorities and scientists eager that they should not be portrayed as man-eating monsters, despite increasing numbers of people being injured by sharks.

Australia renames shark attacks ‘interactions’ (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/australia-renames-shark-attacks-interactions-and-negative-encounters-kflmmc3t5)

So basically, when a killer shark rips you to pieces or even swallows you whole it's okay, it was just an "interaction".

But when you use some words that someone finds offensive, it's not okay, it's "violence".

47000



Oh of course. It's "Critical Shark Theory":)

[Pam]

The fact that they are now equating speech with violence is a horrible attack on free speech itself. Once you accept the premise that speech can be equated to violence then you have lost free speech forever.


Ah yes. Concept Creep.

Up until 5 minutes ago everyone knew speech was one thing and violence was another. But that's suddenly changed. Now, according to some activist lunatics, speech is violence. It makes no sense whatsoever, but things don't really need to make sense in this increasingly postmodern world. Language, like gender, is fluid and can mean whatever someone says it means. It's like that idiot Harvard professor declaring that 2+2 = 5.

Like most of these language manipulations, there is a strategy behind it. If language does indeed equal violence, then:

1) you can get arrested for your speech

2) people that don't like what you're saying can attack you violently and call it "self defense".

That's where this is leading.

It gets even better though.


Australia renames shark attacks ‘interactions’ and ‘negative encounters’

The next time a shark savages a swimmer or surfer in Australia, there’s a new way to describe what has taken place. This is not an “attack” but an “interaction” or a “negative encounter”.

The reappraisal of shark semantics is part of efforts to change the way the public views the species, with the authorities and scientists eager that they should not be portrayed as man-eating monsters, despite increasing numbers of people being injured by sharks.

Australia renames shark attacks ‘interactions’ (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/australia-renames-shark-attacks-interactions-and-negative-encounters-kflmmc3t5)

So basically, when a killer shark rips you to pieces or even swallows you whole it's okay, it was just an "interaction".

But when you use some words that someone finds offensive, it's not okay, it's "violence".

47000

Imagine a world where the word "attack" has been removed from the dictionary. In the future an unwarranted pummeling from the authorities will merely be considered an "interaction". In fact as violence increases around the globe wouldn't that be a great way to sanitize everything?

The underlords are not creative, they don't have that ability. They do the same thing over and over. Make a change based on a alleged good cause,usually creating a victim group and exploit man's desire to be good. In this case, a call for compassion for sharks. You notice those that ask for this change really never do anything to benefit sharks or the environment that sharks live in for that matter.They don't change or modify their lifestyles or consumerism, either. Although, they reserve the right to ask you to do so.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Life is a continuous choice of perspective. It forms one's perception of the world.

Perspective is informed by ideas. Ideas appear freely in the public square and live or die by the extent they are shared.

If control of the perception of the public is the goal free speech must not be allowed. Unfortunately, an informed public is difficult to censor and mislead. As censorship becomes excessive it becomes equally rhetorical, often resembling dogma, where substance gives way to partisanship regardless of the facts.

Inevitably, censorship leads to tyranny and radicalism.

The key is an informed public, informed by a free press that holds government accountable. Both of which has been under attack for decades as the education system and the press have become part of the propaganda campaign to censor views opposing official policy.

What happens as the perspective of the world is dictated almost exclusively by invisible potentates pulling the strings of the 'authorities' in the public eye? What happens as the public looses its ability to choose their own perspective based on their own research and conclusions?

What sort of world do the 'authorities' wish us to perceive?
Do any of us still will for another way, a different perspective, a better outcome?

Will we hold onto our ideas in secret, thereby depriving the world of a larger perspective, an alternate perception?

A healthy society thrives on discussion, on debate, on fair play. A tyrannical government thrives on ignorance and fear, and rules by decree.

Both of these forms of government and the spectrum between, are a choice. The only difference is who is doing the choosing and based on what criteria...it is all merely a matter of collective perspective.

[Satori]

Here is an example of speech they want to silence. An excellent interview between Naomi Wolf and Reiner Fuellmich and some members of his team.

About one hour. She covers a lot of ground about the economic and control aspects of the jab and CV-19.

https://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2021/07/dr-reiner-fuellmich-interviews-naomi-wolf-3754698.html

[RunningDeer]

Here is an example of speech they want to silence. An excellent interview between Naomi Wolf and Reiner Fuellmich and some members of his team.

About one hour. She covers a lot of ground about the economic and control aspects of the jab and CV-19.

https://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2021/07/dr-reiner-fuellmich-interviews-naomi-wolf-3754698.html


Dr. Reiner Fuellmich Interviews Naomi Wolf

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[thepainterdoug]

Free speech restricts our freedoms, like living peaceful, insures our violence, like being generous insures our selfeshness, like being cautious insures our peril,

well I could go on, but you get the idea.

so if I pay you the money I owe you, it will insure your going broke.

so best I dont pay you because after all, I care about you.

[T Smith]

Are there any comedy writers here at avalon ? i think there is an already written script here, ready to be cast and packaged to sell to HBO

If it were my show I would simply call it, " The Idiots "

Yes, great idea, but such a show would get canceled or banned.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'll leave this one here, another gem from the Prophet:

“Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”
― George Orwell, 1984

[onawah]

UNCONSTITUTIONAL! California MANDATES Sex Discrimination for Corporation Boards! TRIAL NOW!
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Judicial Watch announced a California Superior Court trial for December 1 in a taxpayer lawsuit challenging constitutionality of California’s gender quotas for corporate boards of directors (Robin Crest et al. v. Alex Padilla (No.19STCV27561)). READ https://www.judicialwatch.org/ca-gend...FvqlgSWgHeI

(This could go in a number of threads, but I'm putting it here to interject a bit of hope, hopefully. )

[Ewan]

Thought this was worth sharing.

Rowan Atkinson, a well known British entertainer/comedian and actor's thoughts on Free Speech.

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edit: I miss Mike.

[Vangelo]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1827551238893776956

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“No guarantee of free speech” - Walz

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024


https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1827732445233402288

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Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
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On @MariaBartiromo’s show just now, the brilliant @peterschweizer just said without a doubt, the Chinese Communist Party has been “grooming” Tim Walz @GovTimWalz. He says he brought back copies of Mao’s “Little Red Book” for copies of his students upon his return to the US.


Here’s the clip.

The Chinese Communist Party is grooming Tim Walz.
@Tim_Walz

He’s the CCP’s Trojan Horse.

To quote Waltz... "There is no guarantee of free speech on mis-information or hate speech, and especially around our democracy."

This is exactly why we have the first amendment, i.e. to allow speech of any kind.  It's purpose is to enable dissent, specifically political dissent.  Walz is either ignorant of how and why we have the first amendment or he knows, and wants to send the US down the road of totalitarianism (in any number of forms... see the 2nd tweet).  A true supporter of the first amendment will defend any person's right to say the stupidest, hurtful, horrific things.  Defending the right to free speech does not mean you agree with the speech.  

There are two dangers that concern me about those who are anti-free speech:
1) The definition of acceptable speech will change along with the change in political leadership.  Said another way, one man's hate speech is another man's virtue speech.  We have already seen how dangerous this can be with covid "mis-information" that was censored and later turned out to be the truth.  Many were harmed and have died as a result.

2) Limiting's one speech also limit's one's thoughts.  A society without diversity of thought will not evolve and will eventually rot and die.

Cross Posted Here: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120811-The-2024-US-POTUS-Election&p=1630722&viewfull=1#post1630722)

[Rawhide68]

If you are interested in the EU's involvement in transforming the world into a totalitarian and Orwellian global entity, this is for you.

A specter is haunting Europe, but not the specter of disinformation or hate speech.
No it is the specter of linguistic control and censorship to curb free speech and it's not comming from China or Russia, but the heart of the EU itself from the European Commission.
Specifically, this report details the hundreds of unaccountable and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) and universities to carry out 349 projects related to countering 'hate speech' and 'disinformation' to the tune of almost €650 million.

How the EU Manufactures Misinformation with Norman Lewis

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Many thanks to Norman Lewis for his great work, and to James for bringing attention to this important issue!