Suspicious Observers: thoughts? concerns?

[Mark]

I've been watching Suspicious Observers (https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers) for some time now. My background in geography, geology, climatology and meteorology draws me to channels where science is primary and you can go out and look at source documents yourself. This channel always provides that opportunity.

The gist of the channel is that there is a 12,000 year disaster cycle, the sun produces micronova that bombards the earth and ends any civilizations that may exist at the time. They are inclusive of the electric universe theory and have connected volcanoes and earthquakes to energy emitted by the sun, which is alternate to mainstream science, but gaining traction as the evidence continues to amass. They also include the sojourn of our solar system above and below the galactic plane as a potential contributor to the disaster cycle.

I'm curious as to the thoughts of PA, have y'all checked out this site in any depth, do you find any issues with what is presented, do you think that the information is biased or skewed in any direction other than the truth.

They have some very short videos at the top of the page that give you an overview of the disaster cycle, some longer videos about the electric universe and other sundry parts of the overall theory. I do recommend the channel, if only to gain access to the many scientific articles that they share.

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[Wind]

He is legit and I think he has been quite well known here, I have followed him for a decade now. He is right about the climate change.

[mountain_jim]

onawah updates a thread daily with these short videos - I have been watching and have no reason to doubt his analysis of the science reports ongoing.

apparently his research and reports are being attacked, same as Dutchsince.



(It sounds like Ben Davidson (SuspiciousObservers creator) is facing the same kind of censorship and attacks from the mainstream "experts" as Dutchsinse, with a refusal to consider the information he shares, no matter how many proofs he offers. )


most recent page:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages/page5

[Ratszinger]

Ben knows his stuff and can back most of it up in a very professional and succinct way! I've subscribed to him for years and watched all of those videos. He doesn't profess to do it, but he has also basically proven by his theories that we've been muchly lied to about the true history of the human races and more by the orignal 30 family clan that branched off of Ham, Shem and Japheh when they spread out and repopulated the earth. At first the 'Elite' directly related to the savior of humanity were wise, needed and taught the less educated but over time they realized, or some did anyway, that to hold on to that edge, that knowledge, that money, inbreeding was necessary and so they married this way and the bible backs it up. I believe today that same elite that still inbreeds, like John Kerry, a known blue boy, or blue blood just as Eric Clapton is and more are all interrelated to other cousins very close and intimate like. The fact is they have about killed themselves only producing psychopaths and sociopaths as those intelligent and capable enough to rule. The rest are retards in institues like the Queen's twin sister. This last cataclysm apparently brought the humanity at the time down to just 30 surviving couples which must have survivied and can be found in our gene pool evidence when our speices bottlenecked. We lost a huge amount of gene diversity in the last go round. It stands to reason the end times are about here because the ruling familes that saved us last time are dying in the realist sense of the word. So its quite ironic they are coming to a health hazard end at around the same time as Ben's and Diehold foundation have revealed from much of their literature and video archives.

[Brigantia]

Whilst I'm not an expert in science, I do believe in this cycle of catastrophes; the ancients told us about it too. In the 19th century gradualism came into fashion in geology and displaced catastrophism, and that is decidedly not popular these atheistic days as it's 'biblical'.

From what I observe of nature it's all cyclical; birth, death, rebirth. Plants grow from seed, they die, and then their nutrients break down and nourish their seeds that grow in the future. Water evaporates and is then returned to earth when it rains, and evaporates again. The orbits in space are circular, no matter what "those who shall remain nameless" argue otherwise.

As above, so below.

[ExomatrixTV]

Cyclical Catastrophes are they sudden? or gradual or both?

I remember some claimed they found vegetation in frozen (extinct) Mammoths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth) in Siberia, meaning it was still in processed to be digested ... thus the conclusion is it must be all of sudden.


"The Day After Tomorrow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow)"

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Also discussing the scenario of a sudden mass climate change ... Most likely part of Mass Conditioning (Anticipatory Fears Exploited) Agenda!


IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319262/) - Torrent (https://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/18913389/The_Day_After_Tomorrow_(2004)_1080p)

cheers,
John

[Mark]

Thanks Wind and Mountain Jim, I couldn't imagine that PA had nothing to say about Suspicious Observers as the information presented on that channel is so compelling and scientifically rigorous.

Ratzinger, I am not aware of the channel discussing all of those topics but I concur that they are all interrelated and relevant when synthesizing the information and including aspects of cultural evolution and the trigger events that occur that drive civilizations forward. Culture comes from the top, so the psychopathic nature of those elites who have done what they've done over the century and millennia certainly have a large role to play in the world we have inherited.

It can only be a conscious and deliberate tactic to continue to hide the disaster cycle. I agree with Ben that they can't hide it for much longer, especially if we are looking at the next solar cycle as one where major solar events will occur that leave no doubt in any living human's mind that the sun is responsible for some kinds of extreme, cyclical events that have not been heretofore shared with the general public. I would expect that, by that time, the science will be overwhelming and difficult to deny.

When I was a geography graduate student back in the 90s teaching Physical Systems of the Environment and Climatology labs, there was no mention of Catastrophism. There was only Gradualism, it was the dogma and still is, as far as I know. I haven't been in a Geography classroom in over a decade now, but I expect not much has changed, except for the further pushing forward of anthropogenic climate shift as the cause of all of our weather extremes.

Brigantia, the Ancients DID speak about this, all of them LOL it is one of the standards that have been passed down to us in so many forms, stories and images. I'm curious about your comment that the orbits in space are circular. Could you expound on that just a bit, if you will?

Thanks for the linkages and vid John, cheers! I remember that movie, "The Day After Tomorrow", it seemed so extreme and impossible back when it came out. I'll bet it is not so unforeseeable for many, these days. Do you believe that this is a shift that will occur over a long time-frame or do you think that sudden change, like that shown in the movie, is possible? From Suspicious Observers, it seems that things can happen quite quickly indeed once the sun has reached a certain stage of its potential micronova state during this cycle.

[Ratszinger]

Thanks Wind and Mountain Jim, I couldn't imagine that PA had nothing to say about Suspicious Observers as the information presented on that channel is so compelling and scientifically rigorous.

Ratzinger, I am not aware of the channel discussing all of those topics but I concur that they are all interrelated and relevant when synthesizing the information and including aspects of cultural evolution and the trigger events that occur that drive civilizations forward..

Some I have pieced together from the Diehold foundation so not all of it is Ben but just fits and makes so much sense.

[Brigantia]

Brigantia, the Ancients DID speak about this, all of them LOL it is one of the standards that have been passed down to us in so many forms, stories and images. I'm curious about your comment that the orbits in space are circular. Could you expound on that just a bit, if you will?

Well... the moon goes round Earth, Earth and all the other solar system planets go round the sun, the sun goes round the galaxy...

I'm saying circular in a broad sense as I know that a lot of them are elliptical, but it's the sense of them all going round and coming back to the same place to start all over again.

However, there are some people who don't believe that but they don't stick around for long on this forum. Bill takes care of that!

[Bluegreen]

I'm so surprised and glad to learn there is such interest and respect for this series among the forum, and would like to thank the members for clicking TU whilst it was being posted by Star Tsar and myself all this time every day for years.

[Hitchy]

Some things I wanna know is when the thing is predicted to strike! (The global cataclysm)

[Ankle Biter]

I did have some concerns on this topic which I've raised in the thread "Geomagnetic Reversals and Ice Ages (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages)" Specifically around the crustal displacement theory which on the surface :ROFL: I am reluctant to accept. Onawah has generously consolidated a lot of source material in this Post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111787-Pole-Shifts-Micro-Novas-and-the-Great-Political-Reset&p=1443975&viewfull=1#post1443975) which I've not examined in detail yet but am confident will contain useful information to my specific concerns. Saying that, I am not willing to throw baby out with the bath water. Micronovas join a list of potential threats to life on earth and as all things in the cosmos are cyclical in nature.


I like this thread and the content delivered on SuspiciousObservers channel with regards to cyclical catastrophism occurring around every 12,000 years or so. I think there's a few competing ideas with regards to the driving mechanism such as I understand them, with Randall Carlson's impact hypothesis vs Galactic center shockwave (P.LaViolette) and with Ben Davidson's channel the micro nova... which also appears in LaViolette's hypothesis too presented in Earth Under Fire video (https://youtu.be/h_LAFTs53OI) (I think it might even warrant its own thread but that's not the point I wanted to raise in this post). Therefore I shall get on with it..... lol

One aspect I'm not biting down on is the notion of crustal displacement during pole flip. Some of the videos featured a globe showing Antarctica in an equatorial location and some other land mass where that one used to be.. This raises questions around Ice Cores of 2.7 million years (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-find-27-million-year-old-ice-core-antarctica-180964566/). Clearly surviving several cyclical pole flips and periods of being polar and equatorially located. how is the ice preserved?

The next part is to do with Mantal plumes or hotspots which are assumed to be in a fixed position while crustal plates move over relative to them. The Hawaiian Island chain (https://youtu.be/LdlEufZop-Y) forming for the last 70 million years suggests that particular plate hasn't moved during pole flips unless.. during flip and then flip back the plate returns over the exact (sort of) same hotspot or the assumption of fixed hotspots needs reworking, or the last explanation is I've missed out something vital even something else I've overlooked. Hence, I'm wondering if a member here more knowledge of the idea knows if these conflicting thoughts are reconciled or addressed?

[Bubu]

If this is true its going to be way beyond human capacity to avert. Can anyone please tell me why we should concern ourselves with this? I really don't see any reason to bother with this thing. But I am open to all perspective maybe I am missing something. Everything is a cycle of birth death... humans civilizations planets stars; inhale exhale ...everything come and go.
Is this something that will make our lives a bit easier or we're having a pastime? I have nothing against anything. I just wanna know what is this all about.

[Bubu]

I've watch couple of videos. It's fascinating and I tend to agree with the theories.
I normally dont watch this kinds but because I am appalled by what ignorance can cost during this pandemic, I decided not to ignore this. But still I don't see any benefit other than fascination. Anyone can please help me see what i am not seeing?

[Brigantia]

Some things I wanna know is when the thing is predicted to strike! (The global cataclysm)

Really? I'd rather not know.

If it kills me, I'll return to the Source. If not, I'll deal with survival as best I can.

Seeing as major catastrophes of this sort have been predicted for 1999, 2000 and 2012 and have not come to pass, it may not even happen in our lifetimes.

I remember all the talk among fundamentalists about knowing the date of The Rapture that was supposed to have happened by now. An enterprising guy set up a business about looking after their pets once they had been zapped to heaven. It was payment up front for a specified Rapture date, but no refund if it didn't happen. :lol:

[Savannah]

I have posted his vids here also

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111787-Pole-Shifts-Micro-Novas-and-the-Great-Political-Reset

[gord]

If this is true its going to be way beyond human capacity to avert. Can anyone please tell me why we should concern ourselves with this? I really don't see any reason to bother with this thing. But I am open to all perspective maybe I am missing something. Everything is a cycle of birth death... humans civilizations planets stars; inhale exhale ...everything come and go.
Is this something that will make our lives a bit easier or we're having a pastime? I have nothing against anything. I just wanna know what is this all about.

Withholding knowledge of natural cycles and their effects can be used as a weapon against everyone else by exacerbating or mitigating their effects or by entirely misrepresenting the causes of observed effects. There seem to be numerous natural cycles converging about now.

[Ratszinger]

It boils down to the math really based on the dates they believe the last cataclysm cycle happened. At least one person believes the sun will be the tell and during an eclipse the masses will all know something is very wrong because the sun will be much larger than the moon. Of course by coincidence Bill Gates and other elite just so happen to have a plan to 'Dim the Sun' so this cannot happen. We also know Bill bought up farm land, and we know for a fact there are DNA and seed banks, vaults really in place and trillions missing believed to be utilized for underground bunkers. It stands to reason the elite know what is leaking out already, that the sun regularly goes nova on a near clockwork cycle, that it will occur again and is expected in or around OCT of 2046. When this occurs based on the data presented, again not just data from Ben but Diehold foundation as well, the sun will expand to the size of the Kuiper belt which is what created that belt in the first place.

Going along with this theory the sun has birthed all the planets during it's regular nova cycle as it spits out huge amounts of matter which become a new planet and moons. As this occurs the planets already birthed get shoved out a little further away from the sun each time. The theory proposes mars had life it just as earth did only the life only lasted until that planet was shoved out of the position we occupy now and it began losing it's atmosphere, at which time some survivors moved here and hybridized with the existing being here according to some. There is coincidentally a plan or talks of a plan to move to Venus when it moves into the position we are in now and earth gets shoved out and begins to lose atmosphere as Mars did before us. Anyway, that is it in a nutshell. In time we will have to move to Venus when it become habitable after becoming the third planet in the system and earth moves into the fourth. So our sun is only as old as the number of cycles needed to birth what? Nine planets? Maybe 10 if we don't know about all of them?

[Bubu]

If this is true its going to be way beyond human capacity to avert. Can anyone please tell me why we should concern ourselves with this? I really don't see any reason to bother with this thing. But I am open to all perspective maybe I am missing something. Everything is a cycle of birth death... humans civilizations planets stars; inhale exhale ...everything come and go.
Is this something that will make our lives a bit easier or we're having a pastime? I have nothing against anything. I just wanna know what is this all about.

Withholding knowledge of natural cycles and their effects can be used as a weapon against everyone else by exacerbating or mitigating their effects or by entirely misrepresenting the causes of observed effects. There seem to be numerous natural cycles converging about now.

Thanks Gord, I hope its not as big as it is projected otherwise no amount of preparation can save anyone.

[Bubu]

In the absence of history we have little chance of knowing what is to come. So I will play with probabilities.

Of all the people on earth, the elite group has the best chance of knowing what is to come because they have technology and most probably history. The fact that they are killing people means they don't expect anything to kill people in the near future. This topic is covered in the "questions" thread.

[onawah]

The elites seem to think they can survive this, and since apparently some survived this cycle the last time it happened, they may be right.
But underground bunkers may not be as safe as they seem to think, and others without all that wealth and technology might survive as our distant cousins did by sheltering in caves, though obviously, preparation for that eventuality is also necessary.
There have been intentional, sustainable communities around now for quite some time and they will have a headstart having already been well organized and focused on basics.
Survivalists and Preppers are quite organized too, and they in particular are probably going to be tuning into S.O.'s kind of information more and more, and spreading the word.

Speaking of which, today's update:
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Also posted here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1446150&viewfull=1#post1446150

Today S.O. also cited 2 sources for more scientific info:
"To get free copies of the classified work, go to SuspectSky.com "
and
"Observing the Frontier 2020: https://ObservatoryProject.com "

I imagine part of what is motivating these groups, whether it's fully conscious or not, is the conviction that survivors should not just be those elites in the underground bunkers, but those who are more representative of the best of humanity, instead of the worst.
The predicted time of the shift according to S.O. is around 2040 or soon thereafter, but there will most certainly continue to be all kinds of anomalies and unusual weather patterns up until that time, so as much as the elites would like to continue distracting everyone with lies and misdirections, sooner or later it's going to be very evident to everyone that something undeniably BIG is in the works.
Obviously there won't be a lot of survivors, but hopefully the rest will at least have a chance to prepare psychologically for whatever form their transition onward is going to take.

[Ratszinger]

In the absence of history we have little chance of knowing what is to come. So I will play with probabilities.

Of all the people on earth, the elite group has the best chance of knowing what is to come because they have technology and most probably history. The fact that they are killing people means they don't expect anything to kill people in the near future. This topic is covered in the "questions" thread.

I think it better ables to them to control the masses left when they panic if they do reduce pop. first. So to me it makes perfect sense to try to curb the herd since it will die anyway. It only heightens their chance of not being run down by out of control mobs if they can reduce the pop by 2/3rds as they hope.

[Bubu]

In the absence of history we have little chance of knowing what is to come. So I will play with probabilities.

Of all the people on earth, the elite group has the best chance of knowing what is to come because they have technology and most probably history. The fact that they are killing people means they don't expect anything to kill people in the near future. This topic is covered in the "questions" thread.

I think it better ables to them to control the masses left when they panic if they do reduce pop. first. So to me it makes perfect sense to try to curb the herd since it will die anyway. It only heightens their chance of not being run down by out of control mobs if they can reduce the pop by 2/3rds as they hope.

Yes this is true if the event is not an ELE. So maybe we/ they are waiting for a calamity that is not ELE. If its ELE then they can sit back and relax on their bunker then come out when everyone is gone.

[Mike Gorman]

I came across Suspicious Observers some years back, around 2015 or so from memory, and I was immediately impressed with Ben, although I admit to having reservations at the beginning. I informed Ben of the channel "Tony Heller" a couple of years ago, and he responded to me personally, he reported that Steve, the guy who runs Tony Heller, or realclimatescience.com (https://realclimatescience.com) was very hard to contact, he does not respond to personal inquiries and is reluctant to get involved with other people in the space, no doubt the result of the onslaught of negative responses to his content.
Over the years I have become increasingly impressed with Ben Davidson, I purchased his PDF book, I have yet to complete reading this but can report it is excellent. I think Ben is an ex-academic, or at least a graduate from a science program; he is assiduous in his reading of the literature, he keeps up with all the published 'peer reviewed' papers.
Ben is a true science maverick, he has a healthy combative style, and can compete with the best of them.
I cannot recommend Suspicious Observers enough, I think if you seek the truth, and the rigour of investigation Ben offers some of the better content available, the conclusions drawn are not comfortable, I think our civilisation is poised on a precipice and the future ride is not going to be easy; the ultimate in "Reset" features strongly in our near future.
100% recommended.

[Mike Gorman]

The elites seem to think they can survive this, and since apparently some survived this cycle the last time it happened, they may be right.
But underground bunkers may not be as safe as they seem to think, and others without all that wealth and technology might survive as our distant cousins did by sheltering in caves, though obviously, preparation for that eventuality is also necessary.
There have been intentional, sustainable communities around now for quite some time and they will have a headstart having already been well organized and focused on basics.
Survivalists and Preppers are quite organized too, and they in particular are probably going to be tuning into S.O.'s kind of information more and more, and spreading the word.

Speaking of which, today's update:
B_zfMyzXqfI

Also posted here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1446150&viewfull=1#post1446150

Today S.O. also cited 2 sources for more scientific info:
"To get free copies of the classified work, go to SuspectSky.com "
and
"Observing the Frontier 2020: https://ObservatoryProject.com "

I imagine part of what is motivating these groups, whether it's fully conscious or not, is the conviction that survivors should not just be those elites in the underground bunkers, but those who are more representative of the best of humanity, instead of the worst.
The predicted time of the shift according to S.O. is around 2040 or soon thereafter, but there will most certainly continue to be all kinds of anomalies and unusual weather patterns up until that time, so as much as the elites would like to continue distracting everyone with lies and misdirections, sooner or later it's going to be very evident to everyone that something undeniably BIG is in the works.
Obviously there won't be a lot of survivors, but hopefully the rest will at least have a chance to prepare psychologically for whatever form their transition onward is going to take.

I was given the age of 84 as my likely lifespan - from an American insurance website calculator, so the 'event' will match my expected departure date, failing mishaps, accidents, assaults,or extreme behaviour of myself or others - 2040 I will be 82. I feel sorry for the youngsters.

[Ratszinger]

In the absence of history we have little chance of knowing what is to come. So I will play with probabilities.

Of all the people on earth, the elite group has the best chance of knowing what is to come because they have technology and most probably history. The fact that they are killing people means they don't expect anything to kill people in the near future. This topic is covered in the "questions" thread.

I think it better ables to them to control the masses left when they panic if they do reduce pop. first. So to me it makes perfect sense to try to curb the herd since it will die anyway. It only heightens their chance of not being run down by out of control mobs if they can reduce the pop by 2/3rds as they hope.

Yes this is true if the event is not an ELE. So maybe we/ they are waiting for a calamity that is not ELE. If its ELE then they can sit back and relax on their bunker then come out when everyone is gone.

I hear ya! The interesting part of the theory from Diehold is that during the electromagnetic event, some 'Force' guided the wandering tribe with Moses to an area that was being described as the eye of the storm. So there was this intense electromagnetic plasma fire twister of a storm! Imagine you are in the center and the rest of your tribe and you were apparently guided to this spot by this pillar of cloud during the day, and pillar of fire at night? Right? Isn't that the story! So anyway, the survivors were in the eye, and outside the eye of the storm time moved much faster than it did in the eye itself! So 40 years passed by outside the storm and inside it seemed like just I don't know or remember, but seems like it was to them just days. But when they came out everyone outside the storm was dressed difrerently, spoke strange languages, acted scared, primitive and so on and then these 'survivors' taught them how to live a different way. It's indicative of a seperate survior group outside the Noah story, and after the way that history has been twisted I would not be surprised if these were simultaneous events perhaps on different parts of the planet when they occurred. Once side gets baked, the other side flooded and frozen apparently but anyway, interesting stuff nonethless! I'm glad I'll be 86 in 2046 so I'm not likely to be here either.

[onawah]

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[Bo Atkinson]

47199

Thanks for all the links, persisting our exploration of existence, and it's bigger functional conclusions, a possible science of building up life and of dismantling life, or evidences of make overs.

I like the less discussed knowledge base, explaining that all atoms are alive, cosmic in origin, entering evolution as atoms of matter, and then evolving to vegetable, and then evolving to animal, and then at an advancing human stage to sublimate a balanced emotionality, mentality, and carnality, thereby naturally evolving further and beyond.

At least the will to survive is proven, however ironic it is, for predatory elites to think they escape the effect in bunkers, escape birth again as the victims next time, and the majority evolve favorably, especially throuh ives lived purposefully.

[Ernie Nemeth]

When I see the Earth in scale, superimposed on the globe of the sun, there is no question in my mind what drives the planet's weather. And when I contemplate how small, how inconsequential all the planets are in comparison to the sun in every way, it makes sense to me that the sun is at the heart of the entire system, occasionally giving birth to planets (usually in pairs?).

The accretion disk theory has a lot of flaws explaining the formation of the solar system, it absolutely fails attempting to explain planetary systems and its attendant moons.

We will see in the next few years if this new theory holds true as there are many predictions about the coming sun cycle...

[onawah]

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[Mercedes]

I guess the joke is on us. Who in their right mind would even think that we can survive something as grand as this? And for that matter who would even want to? Jus make the best of what we are do and have. Enjoy! :happy dog::flower::cheers::grouphug:

[Delight]

I guess the joke is on us. Who in their right mind would even think that we can survive something as grand as this? And for that matter who would even want to? Jus make the best of what we are do and have. Enjoy! :happy dog::flower::cheers::grouphug:

Yes, to create opportunities for being MORE alive and enjoy the happy dog, flowers, praise for the ephemeral moment where we hug our world. THAT is the great lesson. Never postpone the joy of this brief and lovely time...now and now and now.

How did we become so backwards? Trying to MAKE it permanent? HaHa says the wind.
Paradox now rules my thinking. The first is last and the last is first. What we fear IS death. BUT to realize the joke is to lose the sting.

[onawah]

But there have been survivors every time the cycle has repeated; so it is possible, just not easy!
What I would like to know is: how did those survivors in the past know what to prepare for?
It was probably due to the ever-increasing severity of the weather, and the fact that the sun's rays became increasingly hard to bear, so that moving underground was the most logical thing to do.


I guess the joke is on us. Who in their right mind would even think that we can survive something as grand as this? And for that matter who would even want to? Jus make the best of what we are do and have. Enjoy! :happy dog::flower::cheers::grouphug:

[tendril]

47199

Thanks for all the links, persisting our exploration of existence, and it's bigger functional conclusions, a possible science of building up life and of dismantling life, or evidences of make overs.

I like the less discussed knowledge base, explaining that all atoms are alive, cosmic in origin, entering evolution as atoms of matter, and then evolving to vegetable, and then evolving to animal, and then at an advancing human stage to sublimate a balanced emotionality, mentality, and carnality, thereby naturally evolving further and beyond.

At least the will to survive is proven, however ironic it is, for predatory elites to think they escape the effect in bunkers, escape birth again as the victims next time, and the majority evolve favorably, especially throuh ives lived purposefully.


Of course this is me jumping in... no idea what has gone before

I, like you, do also ponder more in the knowledge base, ether, aether stuff of Tesla. The way things unfold in manners which defy science, religion etc. Something big occurred in the Spiritualist Movement time of the 1880's. I can sense it so real. No idea what. Maybe it's connected to the will to survive. And why I mention it here.

As for my opinions on the topic here, it became clear to me quickly that it is about money for Ben Davidson. He's not my type of person.

But I liked listening to Mitch Battros and I loved Ian Lux Gold so much.

Any how, I think that the entire catastrophic level preparedness is hype. A mind trap to be avoided.

My mind is focused on ...Love more, & 'never worry again' which is a billboard between Santa Fe and Albuquerque New Mexico USA

Gratitude for its reminder.

tendril

[onawah]

With that one post, my timing record for adding a member to my Ignore List is broken--fastest time ever...
I vote for it being removed as it adds nothing to this thread unless you count an opinion based on "no idea what has gone before" .
...And apparently a philosophy similar to Alfred E. Newman's: "What, me worry?"

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SvYAAOSw1vNeb8rZ/s-l500.jpg

"Love more" is a fine idea, but we cannot wisely eliminate CONCERN... which is NOT the same thing as worry.



47199

Thanks for all the links, persisting our exploration of existence, and it's bigger functional conclusions, a possible science of building up life and of dismantling life, or evidences of make overs.

I like the less discussed knowledge base, explaining that all atoms are alive, cosmic in origin, entering evolution as atoms of matter, and then evolving to vegetable, and then evolving to animal, and then at an advancing human stage to sublimate a balanced emotionality, mentality, and carnality, thereby naturally evolving further and beyond.

At least the will to survive is proven, however ironic it is, for predatory elites to think they escape the effect in bunkers, escape birth again as the victims next time, and the majority evolve favorably, especially throuh ives lived purposefully.


Of course this is me jumping in... no idea what has gone before

I, like you, do also ponder more in the knowledge base, ether, aether stuff of Tesla. The way things unfold in manners which defy science, religion etc. Something big occurred in the Spiritualist Movement time of the 1880's. I can sense it so real. No idea what. Maybe it's connected to the will to survive. And why I mention it here.

As for my opinions on the topic here, it became clear to me quickly that it is about money for Ben Davidson. He's not my type of person.

But I liked listening to Mitch Battros and I loved Ian Lux Gold so much.

Any how, I think that the entire catastrophic level preparedness is hype. A mind trap to be avoided.

My mind is focused on ...Love more, & 'never worry again' which is a billboard between Santa Fe and Albuquerque New Mexico USA

Gratitude for its reminder.

tendril

[Mercedes]

If I will not be able to see the sun in the sky then there is very little hope and sheer for me in this life anymore. No Mad max scenarios for me and living underground is just too dreadful, no thank you. Lets just leave.

[tendril]

[QUOTE=onawah;1446692]With that one post, my timing record for adding a member to my Ignore List is broken--fastest time ever...
I vote for it being removed as it adds nothing to this thread unless you count an opinion based on "no idea what has gone before" .
...And apparently a philosophy similar to Alfred E. Newman's: "What, me worry?"

Thank you for your opinion. Also, thanks for allowing me my opinion in an open and free way. Include the presumption of projection upon the quote. Gosh, thinking for myself, as well, informing the thread that I have not read every word of the thread, seems clear enough to me. Because reading all of what is said is what I do generally. But you know what, that doesn't mean I don't know a great deal on the matter. It simply means I don't know what the general opinion is of the thread, to be clear. But with your response it makes it clear to me how you think. You are welcome to view me a character of idiots delight. It's your right. onawah your words are meant to be unkind and entitled. And I want to point that out, so as I remember, to avoid any further stress on it. It is disappointing to see. I do give gratitude for your clarity on the matter.

[Bo Atkinson]

[...]

I like the less discussed knowledge base, explaining that all atoms are alive, cosmic in origin, entering evolution as atoms of matter, and then evolving to vegetable, and then evolving to animal, and then at an advancing human stage to sublimate a balanced emotionality, mentality, and carnality, thereby naturally evolving further and beyond.
[...]


Of course this is me jumping in... no idea what has gone before

I, like you, do also ponder more in the knowledge base, ether, aether stuff of Tesla. The way things unfold in manners which defy science, religion etc. Something big occurred in the Spiritualist Movement time of the 1880's. I can sense it so real. No idea what. Maybe it's connected to the will to survive. And why I mention it here.




I appreciate this kind of possible discussion, but there is always the risk of a trigger word, and sudden stresses, unpredictable on our planet, and it is understandable that people want to defend every inch of their earth place, if tidal waves, etc, come around.

I also lived my decades of life with an eye on sustainability, at a far edge from suburbia, just close enough to scrape up a living, and to invest in tools to survive all kinds of storms, hot and cold.

So thanks for pondering a knowledge base! I welcome such a discussion, at length, but likely not here. These subjects are worthwhile, even though it thunders.

[onawah]

Living underground would be a temporary necessity, but personally, I like the feeling of being in the Mother's womb, ie a cave.
In any case, karma being what it is, leaving might only find one in a similar situation, elsewhere.

If I will not be able to see the sun in the sky then there is very little hope and sheer for me in this life anymore. No Mad max scenarios for me and living underground is just too dreadful, no thank you. Lets just leave.

[Mercedes]

Living underground would be a temporary necessity, but personally, I like the feeling of being in the Mother's womb, ie a cave.
In any case, karma being what it is, leaving might only find one in a similar situation, elsewhere.

If I will not be able to see the sun in the sky then there is very little hope and sheer for me in this life anymore. No Mad max scenarios for me and living underground is just too dreadful, no thank you. Lets just leave.
The many lives or not we have lived here have accumulated an amount of pain that has gotten to a point of no more for me, mother earth is a most precious being but enough is enough... for me that is.

[onawah]

There is a discussion here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116094-Clif-High-issues-a-mind-control-warning&p=1448207&viewfull=1#post1448207
...which also has to do with the magnetic pole reversal (though it's off-topic on that thread)
as follows:

Not exactly on topic, but what I came away from this link that Bill just shared: https://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html
was this:
"The international network of deep underground bases, Jake confirmed, had been built in a continuing program since soon after the end of World War II costing trillions of dollars. The issue here was that military leaders had learned through ET contact that a potential catastrophe of huge magnitude, occurring early in the 21st century, was possible. This information was certainly known to Eisenhower, Jake said (and may have been partially responsible for his heart attack), and was very possibly known as early as World War II.

Just as we had presented in our important summary article The Big Picture, the problem is one which involves massive potential Earth changes that could, in extremis, threaten our civilization. The situation had been extensively studied and evaluated and the conclusion had been reached that the public could not be told.

Jake described the threat - metaphorically - as a wave that was heading our way. It was unclear whether this 'wave' is a product of an area of space which the solar system is entering - or whether it is the result of a close fly-past by a large rogue celestial body, or even a combination of two or three simultaneous situations or other unusual and impending cosmological events. But when I asked how this is all known, the answer came back that the superluminal craft have gone out to take a good look at what is around, and have returned with the information.

Jake stressed that IT IS NOT KNOWN what the effects of this situation will be, nor precisely when this may occur. The military are preparing for worst case scenarios, which is what they do best. Readers familiar with our work will note the connection with the report from the Norwegian Politician, and also Dan Burisch's information which culminates in the report on Timeline 1, variant 83 [T1v83]."

and

"Since that information was researched - a year ago at the time of writing this article - it has become very clear that that timeline variant has been 'broken', and that we are now instead hurtling along on another, uncharted timeline. In Dan's words to us a few months ago, "All bets are off" - and when we put Dan's phrase to Jake, he responded:

That's about right. I wouldn't disagree with that at all.

Jake's information is that it had never been certain that the catastrophe had been averted, and he confirmed that the governments of many first-world nations were continuing to make their detailed and extensive preparations. Australia, we were told, was the "Ark of the World", and had been designated as such many years previously.

Jake confirmed that he had personally seen some of the classified maps showing dramatically altered future coastlines, and also confirmed the possibility of a very advanced high-speed 'shuttle-like' system that connected many places, like the US and Australia under the Pacific Ocean - a longstanding but always uncorroborated rumor within the UFO community that had acquired semi-mythological status since the startling reports of John Lear and William Cooper in the late 1980s. Jake told us that

...the acceleration presses you back into your seat for a very long time.

This has all happened before

One of the most startling snippets of information Jake revealed was that in some locations the base construction engineers had broken through into much older facilities that had been there for thousands of years prior - apparently built for an identical defensive purpose. All this, Jake had told us, had happened before: the catastrophic events are cyclic.

Because of what had been learned through breaking into older facilities built by a prior Earth culture, in some locations decisions had been made to increase the depth of the new facilities to as much as 30,000 feet [9000 meters].

The great classified libraries of the world, in the Vatican and elsewhere, all contained detailed accounts of the destruction of prior civilizations. The Flood Myth, as many anthropologists have described, is evident in many dozens of different cultures all over the world. All this is described in our article The Big Picture."

***********************************
That all tallies very well with what I have been sharing here (and elsewhere): https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116094-Clif-High-issues-a-mind-control-warning&p=1448168&viewfull=1#post1448168
...about the playlist on Suspicious Observers youtube channel, as follows:


I haven't been following Clif's info long or closely enough to know whether he has encountered and/or addressed information recently coming out about the cycle of magnetic pole reversals, and the possibility there is one coming soon, around 2040.
(As presented here and in subsequent updates on Suspicious Observers channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2decDcEJqo&list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw )
It's not impossible to keep a positive outlook on the future after having connected the dots and coming to grips with this information if one considers it be credible, but it could certainly have an effect on that outlook.
Given all that, it would seem that the upcoming focus for humanity would be to ensure the continuing survival of the race in whatever realistic ways possible (short of the elite's impractical solutions of underground DUMBs, base & jumproom to Mars. etc. which the ancients seem to have survived without).
It seems to me that that is going to be the next great challenge for humanity which is not controlled by whatever regressive ETs or EDs or whatever has been calling the shots up until now.
Perhaps it is too far in the future for Clif to confront it yet in his usual way, but I imagine it won't be too long in coming, now that so much of the data is in.
What that playlist reveals is recent scientific evidence which, in my view, shores up the theories surrounding the cycle of magnetic pole reversals which regularly cause tremendous devastation on the planet, such as the fall of Atlantis (which was partly manmade, but much of the current crisis on Earth is now manmade, as well, so it's not dissimilar).

...But that won't be clear until more people have recognized what Ben Davidson (Suspicious Observers creator) and his associates have been on about, and what the data re the repeating cycle portends.
Which I think will inevitably cause a profound shift in humanity's collective outlook, priorities and focus."

[QUOTE=Bill Ryan;1448135]Yes, very well remembered. :highfive: I was going to post about this, but you beat me to it. It's the very first thing I thought of after listening to Clif today. Here it is:


https://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html

[Hitchy]

From above, this reminds dearly of what's been told at the Diehold Foundation (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjBe55XpYzc0HzkK-8lgQtA)

A solar event, something like a flash to happen in 2046, on a cycle yes, this one 12,080 years. It is to cause a magnetic pole reversal in turn dawning a new ice age, putting into extinction many species.

The question is, will there be ET help? Many QHHT videos talk about ships coming. I'm not sold on the idea but here is one such example (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvR7LmGSkU0)

And then, what do we do before then? These are my questions, being action-now oriented. The idea being getting to a stage of cosmic consciousness, continuing our deepening of spiritual consciousness. Why wait for some event, when there are measurable steps to be taken to feeling that harmony with God? Such that you can enjoy more and more revelation in the now moment? For this I recommend Joel Goldsmith, and even hopefully my own writings on the way. It's all for God to be more aware of itself. Paradoxically, It knows itself completely and yet is learning more about itself. This is the tension that creates existence. At least we, individuated souls, get to tag along for this varied ride. And as spiritual consciousness becomes more our modus operandi, the more we feel at one with Him or It.

[onawah]

What happened 12,000 years ago? Davidson and Schock concur.

Connecting all the dots is a lot easier now with all the new data in from Suspicious Observers's Ben Davidson.

In his conversation from 2014 with geologist/archeologist Dr. Robert Schoch, who has been sharing his undeniable conclusions over the years about his discoveries surrounding the Sphinx, Gobleki Tepi, the Fall of Atlantis, the Carrington Event, petroglyphs and other records left by the ancients, they correlate and relate their conclusions to massive solar outbursts at the end of the last Ice Age, what they portend for the future, and much more.

And the data keeps coming in, shoring up what Davidson, Schock and other original thinkers have been saying all along about the true age and foundations of civilizations and how they are affected by the Sun and solar cycles.

The academic world (perhaps Egyptologists in particular), which has been heavily influenced and coerced by controllers who prefer to keep the public in the dark, have less and less real basis for contradicting these fresh and well-founded observations.

Schock and Davidson lament at the end of this discussion about how woefully unprepared we are for what the Sun cycles and other cosmic events may have in store for us, and both agree about how the potential for disaster coming soon is building up dramatically.

Are we truly awake yet?

The Sphinx, Gobekli Tepe, Ancient Catastrophes - Dr. Robert Schoch
117,551 views Aug 17, 2014
2.7K
Suspicious0bservers
557K subscribers
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Also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1449163&viewfull=1#post1449163

[Mark]

Thanks everyone, for your responses.

PA remains a serious place for researchers and those looking for discussion beyond the mainstream. The era of hiding the truth from the masses is coming to an end, however you parse it. We are in for a time of great change and only truth and openness can see us moving forward as a human species. We have still to go through some things, have still to see the harbingers of pain and heartache fail openly to destroy the parts of the world they hate.

What is no longer coming but instead here will not look like any prediction. Many have been in the vicinity, close by and circling around the possibilities but inconceivable is just that.

Appreciate the SuspiciousObserver energy and those who follow and find connections previously unknown, lighting the way for others.

[onawah]

More Underground Civilization That Survived The Cataclysm 12,000 Years Ago
Universe Inside You
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Premiered Mar 31, 2023

(Although this production aligns with the theory that a comet caused the cataclysm 12,000 years ago, which is very much debatable now that more data has come out regarding the geomagnetic reversal, there are still noteworthy new discoveries being unearthed in Turkey.)

"Beneath the Cappadocia region in Turkey, there is an entire ancient civilization that built underground cities like Derinkuyu, Kaimakli, Ozkonak, and Nevsehir. Is it then possible that the underground cities found across Turkey were built as underground shelters to survive the extreme weather events of Younger Dryas, as recorded in the ancient Zoroastrian Vendidad text? And if so, then perhaps it is possible that, having survived the deep freeze, humans returned to the surface and memorialized their survival in the Gobekli Tepe monument, even providing a record of the exact date the event had taken place through a specific astronomical alignment carved on the Vulture Stone. Think about what this would mean – no less than the existence of an advanced ancient civilization prior to the Younger Dryas event more than 12,000 years ago, far before any civilization recorded in our history books today."

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What happened 12,000 years ago? Davidson and Schock concur.

Connecting all the dots is a lot easier now with all the new data in from Suspicious Observers's Ben Davidson.

In his conversation from 2014 with geologist/archeologist Dr. Robert Schoch, who has been sharing his undeniable conclusions over the years about his discoveries surrounding the Sphinx, Gobleki Tepi, the Fall of Atlantis, the Carrington Event, petroglyphs and other records left by the ancients, they correlate and relate their conclusions to massive solar outbursts at the end of the last Ice Age, what they portend for the future, and much more.

And the data keeps coming in, shoring up what Davidson, Schock and other original thinkers have been saying all along about the true age and foundations of civilizations and how they are affected by the Sun and solar cycles.

The academic world (perhaps Egyptologists in particular), which has been heavily influenced and coerced by controllers who prefer to keep the public in the dark, have less and less real basis for contradicting these fresh and well-founded observations.

Schock and Davidson lament at the end of this discussion about how woefully unprepared we are for what the Sun cycles and other cosmic events may have in store for us, and both agree about how the potential for disaster coming soon is building up dramatically.

Are we truly awake yet?

The Sphinx, Gobekli Tepe, Ancient Catastrophes - Dr. Robert Schoch
117,551 views Aug 17, 2014
2.7K
Suspicious0bservers
557K subscribers
iqBuUD0f2HU

Also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1449163&viewfull=1#post1449163

[Pam]

Sun & Pole Shift Attacking Our Brains


This topic is extremely interesting and Ben's comments are really insightful. Well worth the watch and consideration of his analysis.

wHxhtI4kOA4

[onawah]

That's also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1550851&viewfull=1#post1550851
Sun & Pole Shift Attacking Our Brains


This topic is extremely interesting and Ben's comments are really insightful. Well worth the watch and consideration of his analysis.

wHxhtI4kOA4

[Pam]

That's also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1550851&viewfull=1#post1550851
Sun & Pole Shift Attacking Our Brains


This topic is extremely interesting and Ben's comments are really insightful. Well worth the watch and consideration of his analysis.

wHxhtI4kOA4

I didn't even catch that thread! I will have to take a peak! It is well worth being posted on more than one thread. It makes so much much sense. I know how being in the sun has lifted and altered my moods. Of course, I was never paying attention to the happenings with the sun, I have just made that observation over my life. Why wouldn't events that occur with the sun have effects on everything that uses it for energy? I appreciated his comment on the placebo affect.