The real truth behind the Taliban that are now in control of Afghanistan...

[Eric J (Viking)]

The mainstream are in full flow with crap!

Perhaps we can find a little truth here....

8/15/21
By Hal Turner
The Taliban this morning announced it now controls ALL Territory of Afghanistan. The US Embassy in Kabul is being evacuated by military helicopters in a scene like Saigon, Vietnam in 1975. The Biden failure is full, complete, and absolute.

In the last nine (9) days, 6 of 7 Afghan Army Corps have been lost: 203rd in Gardez, 205th in Herat, 207th in Kandahar, 209th in Mazar-i-Sharif, 215th in Helmand & 217th in Kunduz. Only one army corps remains; 201st in Kabul. 111th Division also in Kabul.

Last night alone, the following war fighting equipment supplied by the USA, was CAPTURED:

This morning began with a RUN ON BANKS as Afghanis tried to get money to flee the country. Here is video of that Bank Run:

Traffic in the capital city of Kabul is . . . well . . . look, as these people try to flee:

On July 8, illegitimate President Joe Biden told the media "You will not see helicopters evacuating people from the roof of a U.S. Embassy."

Below, see him say it yourself. On July 8, the media explicitly asked "President" Biden if Afghanistan would be taken over by the Taliban and he said "No." Here is that press conference.

Oh, really?

This is what happens when an ILLEGITIMATE President is allowed to take office.

Joe Biden's Democrat Party stole the November, 2020, Presidential election. They had help from the Governors and Secretaries of State in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and lower officials in Maricopa County, Arizona. THIS humiliating defeat in Afghanistan is what that election fraud has gotten the rest of the country!

The USA spent almost twenty years battling in Afghanistan, and today, our failure is complete.

The war hawks who pushed this fiasco on us, should be identified and so publicly criticized, ridiculed, hounded, and belittled, they realize that suicide is the only way out for them.

The military brass who oversaw this loss, should be fired immediately, and should have to flee the United States in disgrace.

The Intelligence Community, CIA and DIA in particular, have shown themselves to be little more than functional retards. Their utter incompetence allowed this to take place.

The United States of America under an illegitimate President, feckless military leaders and a retarded intelligence community, has now been humiliated in front of the entire world.

There is a silver lining to all this, though. When those same government people try to impose mandatory or forced COVID vaccines, a COVID vaccine passport for interstate travel, or try to conduct round-ups to put Americans in Internment camps over COVID or vaccine status, the Taliban has shown Americans exactly how to defeat these government people if push comes to shove.

BREAKING — The Afghan president Ghani is relinquishing power and an interim government led by Taliban is formed — Al Arabiya

Taliban is 2.6km from US embassy through main roads and less than 2 km to US embassy if bylanes are taken.

Taliban’s leader of political office, Mullah Baradar, heads to Afghanistan. He is expected to help to establish a transitional government — Al Arabiya. (Baradar was in Qatar)

BREAKING: FOREIGNERS IN KABUL SHOULD LEAVE IF THEY WISH OR IN COMING DAYS REGISTER THEIR PRESENCE WITH TALIBAN ADMINISTRATORS, WHO WILL BE ESTABLISHED - TALIBAN OFFICIAL

Russia: The alarming situation in Afghanistan is the result of the failure of another experiment by Washington

China: Beijing WILL give full recognition to Taliban as legitimate government of Afghanistan.

Taliban Leadership enters Afghanistan Presidential Palace:

No way to sugar coat this fiasco, Trillions wasted. Thousands of U.S. Troops injured and killed.

The people who allowed this to happen should kill themselves.

UPDATE 11:21 AM EDT --

US AMBASSADOR HAS LEFT THE EMBASSY IN KABUL. He and the flag are at the airport.

US repeats Saigon debacle with the same humiliation & more.

The only difference: 2 TRILLION DOLLARS & countless precious lives it extinguished on both sides before they fled with their tails between their legs.

Why? What was the logic of all this chaos?

Heroin.

The illicit trade in Heroin.

Prior to the Taliban taking over back around the year 2000, Afghanistan was the world's number one supplier of opium for the Heroin trade. When the Taliban took over, with their devout Islamic beliefs, they drove the drug business almost completely out of the whole country. Afghanistan opium output DROPPED 95-99%.

That was when the USA went in, under the guise of grabbing Osama Bin Laden.

Within 18 months of the U.S. Invasion, Afghanistan Heroin output grew in leaps and bounds, right back to the world's Number ONE supplier.

There are numerous photos of U.S. Troops actually GUARDING the fields of Poppy plants to protect the opium growing in them.

So I'll give you three guesses what made the USA remain in Afghanistan for YEARS after Osama Bin Laden was allegedly killed.

Yep. Heroin.

People in the West made hundreds of millions of dollars in the illicit drug trade. Pockets were lined at all levels of government. THAT's what this was about. Drug money.

The US Government apparently wasn't happy being the worlds number one supplier of weapons, they also wanted to be the number one supplier of Heroin.

Lot of money in that powder.

THAT is what our American government did. THAT is what we as a nation, have descended to.

Want to laugh at who muscled them out? China!

That's who was supplying the Taliban with weapons and secure communications. Our "trading partner, China."

China enabled the Taliban to do what they've done in about nine days . . . take over the whole country.

So now China controls the heroin - again.

Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
Funny how that works.

Photos and videos at Source:
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/taliban-announces-it-controls-all-afghanistan-territory-us-scrambles-to-flee-helicopters-evac-embassy-from-roof-just-like-saigon-in-1975

Viking

[leavesoftrees]

T

So now China controls the heroin - again.

Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
Funny how that works.

Viking

China's payback for the Opium Wars

[lizhekb]

Any evidence that China muscled US out?

No news to me that the US was there for the drug money.

For the next 20 years(maybe 50), no country on earth could muscle US out. Because of their superiority in military and weapon.

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T

So now China controls the heroin - again.

Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
Funny how that works.

Viking

China's payback for the Opium Wars

The Opium Wars was between Britain and China.

[Agape]

Taliban of today is not the Taliban of yesterday ( what about tomorrow..).

Unfortunately yes, the media is payed to confuse you.

This is their way ( Islamic society has a long history of shahs and governors ) of transiting to democratic society. This is their moment to show if they can do that, without war, violence and abuse of power or not.

The puppet government fell and president escaped and files were burnt in embassies, on what I dare to ask, on how to protect the Afghani people from themselves ?

They were occupied by Soviet military for decades, then the US military and allied troops, they were run by someone’s else’s hand like many other countries taken by imperial games and wars in past, resulting in decades of absurd and xenophobic military dictatorships, look today’s Myanmar.

Sure I don’t know much about Afghanistan other than it’s being dangerous territory and I once met some students from there while traveling who just admitted they have to live with war at all times.

But the way they see Taliban is not much bigger than your opinion on the commons party. It hails from poor mountain villages and is supported by so called majority.
Any externally supported government will have the powerless status of “house of lords” or your congress party, at the best.

In reality, most of them grew up together in military ghetto called Afghanistan.


They know the world is watching, and in my best opinion, everyone who hoped to “intervene” should step back for a bit and leave the country for once to its people.


Most certainly also, the US of today is not the US of yesterday and it better be better place tomorrow, so true for all of us, alike.



I don’t see any other way than Peace would be the Solution.



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[dianatorn]

So this means that the War all this time, China is involved. With the pandemic still going on, I doubt there will be any other conflicts or chaos wont occur.

[Brigantia]

We're angry too in the UK. During the past 20 years in Afghanistan 457 of our soldiers were killed, also about 2000 were wounded, and it has cost the British taxpayers about £37 billion.

All for nothing.

[palehorse]

So this means that the War all this time, China is involved. With the pandemic still going on, I doubt there will be any other conflicts or chaos wont occur.

you mean the opium trade? where there is opium there is a china man!

[Ernie Nemeth]

It was always for nothing, as it always is. The problem is how we/they value. This society has no value while it values the worthless.

And yet we/they cling to it in terror of what could be. The 'could' scares the hell out of the citizenry. Better to stay with an evil they know than face the unknown and its pristine possibilities.

The world is sick, and the disease is not covid.

[pyrangello]

While Biden is vacationing at Camp David , his spokesman came out this morning on national TV and said Biden is on top of this situation with" LAZER FOCUS! " . He must be using the same optics for our southern border which had 211,000 illegals come over just in july. Then there's the narrative they were caught off guard ? Really , does that mean the CIA intelligences are all on vacation too? Hell 40 years ago we had the capabilities to read the letter camel on a cigarette from the sky at thousands of feet and your telling me nobody knew the Taliban was advancing? From the joint chiefs to the pentagon to the CIA to the white house, IS ANYBODY IN CHARGE ANYMORE?

Reports are some 10-30,000 people are going to need to be airlifted out, many afghans who helped us , private contractors, gov. employees ect ect. All the schools that were built , all the women's rights eradicated , all the sacrifice from our uS troops and their familes and now all those who will be left behind???

Consider this , the Taliban has been gone from this country for 20 years, some 58% of the population is under the age of 25 in this country and have had no experience with the taliban except through stories of what was , think about this for a minute and now the beheadings start, rape, eyes gouged out and on and on, really WTF!

Afghans, Desperate to Flee, Hold Onto C-17 Landing Gear; FALL FROM PLANE IN SKY
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/afghans-desperate-to-flee-hold-onto-c-17-landing-gear-fall-from-plane-in-sky

Afghanistan President Fled Kabul With Helicopter Full Of Cash And Loot Claims Russian Embassy
https://greatgameindia.com/afghanistan-president-fled-helicopter/
“Four cars were stuffed with money. [They] tried to fit all the money on the helicopter, but not all of it fit. Some of the money was left lying on the tarmac,” he explained, without elaborating how he obtained the information.

We are watching the United States government and leadership becoming a three ring circus that I wouldn't even buy a ticket too, Dysfunctional is a word with too much credit for the bunch we have in charge now and on vacation including the congress and senate until September 15th. This is so disturbing on so many levels its unconscionable!

[mountain_jim]

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Investigators have found that the photos of Biden at Camp David are fake and not from today.


https://twitter.com/SCUBA2024/status/1427292612529168388?s=20

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https://twitter.com/SCUBA2024/status/1427291639379279874?s=20

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ousted-afghan-president-fled-country-cars-helicopter-full-cash







Ousted Afghan President Fled Country With Cars, Helicopter "Stuffed Full Of Cash"
Tyler Durden's Photo
BY TYLER DURDEN
MONDAY, AUG 16, 2021 - 10:50 AM
It was widely reported Sunday that as the Taliban was at the gates of Kabul, President Ashraf Ghani was quick to flee the country towards neighboring Tajikistan. This no doubt signaled national troops on the ground that there was little point in putting up much resistance, given their commander-in-chief had high-tailed it out at the first sign of enemies closing in, while not even so much as addressing the Afghan people.

According to a Russian embassy statement on Monday, the circumstances of Ghani's departure are even worse, with the embassy in Kabul saying Ghani "had fled the country with four cars and a helicopter full of cash and had to leave some money behind as it would not all fit in," according to RIA news agency quotes cited in Reuters.

https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/ousted%20ghani.jpeg?itok=sHdTQnb9






https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1427194817759617025?s=20

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[Nasu]

Interesting about the Chinese. It's all just a massive game of influence and favors. Thanks to poor alzheimer’s sufferer Biden’s latest gaf of complete and total abandonment, the fall of Saigon is looking like a well planned exit. If we lose the airport in Kabul it will be even more of a mess, if that’s even possible at this point. I suppose it can always be worse. It could be raining. At least they have the weather as they scramble into the choppers. My heart goes out to the PMC’s who will be left till last.

Well not last last. We will leave behind thousands of translators who spoke to the Taliban on our behalf, often in adverse situations having to translate very dangerous language. Not to forget the three hundred thousand strong army we equipped and trained. Plus the tens of thousands who helped in every other way. But without our money supporting and underpinning that army it was always a hollow shell, as the relentless march by city by city to the capital with little to no resistance has proved. So instead of chasing through goat herds and dust with 50’s mounted on Toyotas, twenty years later we leave them with Humvees, Blackhawks and Jet fighters!

We should have quit 18 years ago when we smashed up their training camps and chased AQ over the mountains into Pakistan, we won, that was our time to leave with honor. So they treat their women and people badly, it’s not our place to die for that sort of woke ****. The thing that tipped the scales in the eighties for the the Russian withdraw wasn’t the stingers we gave the mujahideen, it was the puppet government trying to make the schools system more inclusive for girls.

They don’t share our values, end of. They probably never will, no matter how many dollars or bullets we offer them. The Taliban are a proud people and were glad to see the back of AQ, we should have left them to their medieval backward lives then. How other people choose to live should not be a call to arms for the west. Counter insurgency is a tactic, not a strategy. Clearly there was never any more of a plan than to make as much money out of it as possible for as long as we possibly could. There is literally a trillion reasons this was a great success to a few thousand and a massive loss for everyone else involved. War is a racket.......x...... N

[mountain_jim]

later link
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-government-lied-two-decades-about-afghanistan



Glenn Greeenwald's take (via email)



The U.S. Government Lied For Two Decades About Afghanistan
Using the same deceitful tactics they pioneered in Vietnam, U.S. political and military officials repeatedly misled the country about the prospects for success in Afghanistan.


Glenn Greenwald
Aug 16


The Taliban give an exclusive interview to Al Jazeera after taking control of the presidential palace in Kabul, Afghanistan, Aug. 15, 2021 (Al Jazeera/YouTube)
“The Taliban regime is coming to an end,” announced President George W. Bush at the National Museum of Women in the Arts on December 12, 2001 — almost twenty years ago today. Five months later, Bush vowed: “In the United States of America, the terrorists have chosen a foe unlike they have faced before. . . . We will stay until the mission is done.” Four years after that, in August of 2006, Bush announced: “Al Qaeda and the Taliban lost a coveted base in Afghanistan and they know they will never reclaim it when democracy succeeds. . . . The days of the Taliban are over. The future of Afghanistan belongs to the people of Afghanistan.”

For two decades, the message Americans heard from their political and military leaders about the country’s longest war was the same. America is winning. The Taliban is on the verge of permanent obliteration. The U.S. is fortifying the Afghan security forces, which are close to being able to stand on their own and defend the government and the country.

Just five weeks ago, on July 8, President Biden stood in the East Room of the White House and insisted that a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was not inevitable because, while their willingness to do so might be in doubt, “the Afghan government and leadership . . . clearly have the capacity to sustain the government in place.” Biden then vehemently denied the accuracy of a reporter’s assertion that “your own intelligence community has assessed that the Afghan government will likely collapse.” Biden snapped: “That is not true. They did not — they didn’t — did not reach that conclusion.”

Biden continued his assurances by insisting that “the likelihood there’s going to be one unified government in Afghanistan controlling the whole country is highly unlikely.” He went further: “the likelihood that there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.” And then, in an exchange that will likely assume historic importance in terms of its sheer falsity from a presidential podium, Biden issued this decree:
Q. Mr. President, some Vietnamese veterans see echoes of their experience in this withdrawal in Afghanistan. Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened in Vietnam, with some people feeling —

THE PRESIDENT: None whatsoever. Zero. What you had is — you had entire brigades breaking through the gates of our embassy — six, if I’m not mistaken.

The Taliban is not the south — the North Vietnamese army. They’re not — they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of an embassy in the — of the United States from Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.
When asked about the Taliban being stronger than ever after twenty years of U.S. warfare there, Biden claimed: “Relative to the training and capacity of the [Afghan National Security Forces} and the training of the federal police, they’re not even close in terms of their capacity.” On July 21 — just three weeks ago — Gen. Mark Milley, Biden’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, conceded that “there’s a possibility of a complete Taliban takeover, or the possibility of any number of other scenario,” yet insisted: “the Afghan Security Forces have the capacity to sufficiently fight and defend their country.”

Similar assurances have been given by the U.S. Government and military leadership to the American people since the start of the war. “Are we losing this war?,” Army Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Schloesser, commander of the 101st Airborne Division, asked rhetorically in a news briefing from Afghanistan in 2008, answering it this way: “Absolutely no way. Can the enemy win it? Absolutely no way.” On September 4, 2013, then-Lt. Gen. Milley — now Biden’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — complained that the media was not giving enough credit to the progress they had made in building up the Afghan national security forces: “This army and this police force have been very, very effective in combat against the insurgents every single day,” Gen. Milley insisted.

None of this was true. It was always a lie, designed first to justify the U.S’s endless occupation of that country and, then, once the U.S. was poised to withdraw, to concoct a pleasing fairy tale about why the prior twenty years were not, at best, an utter waste. That these claims were false cannot be reasonably disputed as the world watches the Taliban take over all of Afghanistan as if the vaunted “Afghan national security forces” were china dolls using paper weapons. But how do we know that these statements made over the course of two decades were actual lies rather than just wildly wrong claims delivered with sincerity?
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To begin with, we have seen these tactics from U.S. officials — lying to the American public about wars to justify both their initiation and continuation — over and over. The Vietnam War, like the Iraq War, was begun with a complete fabrication disseminated by the intelligence community and endorsed by corporate media outlets: that the North Vietnamese had launched an unprovoked attack on U.S. ships in the Gulf of Tonkin. In 2011, President Obama, who ultimately ignored a Congressional vote against authorization of his involvement in the war in Libya to topple Muammar Qaddafi, justified the NATO war by denying that regime change was the goal: “our military mission is narrowly focused on saving lives . . . broadening our military mission to include regime change would be a mistake.” Even as Obama issued those false assurances, The New York Times reported that “the American military has been carrying out an expansive and increasingly potent air campaign to compel the Libyan Army to turn against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.”
Just as they did for the war in Afghanistan, U.S. political and military leaders lied for years to the American public about the prospects for winning. On June 13, 1971, The New York Times published reports about thousands of pages of top secret documents from military planners that came to be known as “The Pentagon Papers.” Provided by former RAND official Daniel Ellsberg, who said he could not in good conscience allow official lies about the Vietnam War to continue, the documents revealed that U.S. officials in secret were far more pessimistic about the prospects for defeating the North Vietnamese than their boastful public statements suggested. In 2021, The New York Times recalled some of the lies that were demonstrated by that archive on the 50th Anniversary of its publication:
Brandishing a captured Chinese machine gun, Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara appeared at a televised news conference in the spring of 1965. The United States had just sent its first combat troops to South Vietnam, and the new push, he boasted, was further wearing down the beleaguered Vietcong.
“In the past four and one-half years, the Vietcong, the Communists, have lost 89,000 men,” he said. “You can see the heavy drain.”

That was a lie. From confidential reports, McNamara knew the situation was “bad and deteriorating” in the South. “The VC have the initiative,” the information said. “Defeatism is gaining among the rural population, somewhat in the cities, and even among the soldiers.”
Lies like McNamara’s were the rule, not the exception, throughout America’s involvement in Vietnam. The lies were repeated to the public, to Congress, in closed-door hearings, in speeches and to the press.

The lies were repeated to the public, to Congress, in closed-door hearings, in speeches and to the press. The real story might have remained unknown if, in 1967, McNamara had not commissioned a secret history based on classified documents — which came to be known as the Pentagon Papers. By then, he knew that even with nearly 500,000 U.S. troops in theater, the war was at a stalemate.

The pattern of lying was virtually identical throughout several administrations when it came to Afghanistan. In 2019, The Washington Post — obviously with a nod to the Pentagon Papers — published a report about secret documents it dubbed “The Afghanistan Papers: A secret history of the war.” Under the headline “AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH,” The Post summarized its findings: “U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it, an exclusive Post investigation found.” They explained:
Year after year, U.S. generals have said in public they are making steady progress on the central plank of their strategy: to train a robust Afghan army and national police force that can defend the country without foreign help.
In the Lessons Learned interviews, however, U.S. military trainers described the Afghan security forces as incompetent, unmotivated and rife with deserters. They also accused Afghan commanders of pocketing salaries — paid by U.S. taxpayers — for tens of thousands of “ghost soldiers.”
None expressed confidence that the Afghan army and police could ever fend off, much less defeat, the Taliban on their own. More than 60,000 members of Afghan security forces have been killed, a casualty rate that U.S. commanders have called unsustainable.
As the Post explained, “the documents contradict a long chorus of public statements from U.S. presidents, military commanders and diplomats who assured Americans year after year that they were making progress in Afghanistan and the war was worth fighting.” Those documents dispel any doubt about whether these falsehoods were intentional:
Several of those interviewed described explicit and sustained efforts by the U.S. government to deliberately mislead the public. They said it was common at military headquarters in Kabul — and at the White House — to distort statistics to make it appear the United States was winning the war when that was not the case.
“Every data point was altered to present the best picture possible,” Bob Crowley, an Army colonel who served as a senior counterinsurgency adviser to U.S. military commanders in 2013 and 2014, told government interviewers. “Surveys, for instance, were totally unreliable but reinforced that everything we were doing was right and we became a self-licking ice cream cone.”

John Sopko, the head of the federal agency that conducted the interviews, acknowledged to The Post that the documents show “the American people have constantly been lied to.”


Last month, the independent journalist Michael Tracey, writing at Substack, interviewed a U.S. veteran of the war in Afghanistan. The former soldier, whose job was to work in training programs for the Afghan police and also participated in training briefings for the Afghan military, described in detail why the program to train Afghan security forces was such an obvious failure and even a farce. “I don’t think I could overstate that this was a system just basically designed for funneling money and wasting or losing equipment,” he said. In sum, “as far as the US military presence there — I just viewed it as a big money funneling operation”: an endless money pit for U.S. security contractors and Afghan warlords, all of whom knew that no real progress was being made, just sucking up as much U.S. taxpayer money as they could before the inevitable withdraw and takeover by the Taliban.
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In light of all this, it is simply inconceivable that Biden’s false statements last month about the readiness of the Afghan military and police force were anything but intentional. That is particularly true given how heavily the U.S. had Afghanistan under every conceivable kind of electronic surveillance for more than a decade. A significant portion of the archive provided to me by Edward Snowden detailed the extensive surveillance the NSA had imposed on all of Afghanistan. In accordance with the guidelines he required, we never published most of those documents about U.S. surveillance in Afghanistan on the ground that it could endanger people without adding to the public interest, but some of the reporting gave a glimpse into just how comprehensively monitored the country was by U.S. security services.

In 2014, I reported along with Laura Poitras and another journalist that the NSA had developed the capacity, under the codenamed SOMALGET, that empowered them to be “secretly intercepting, recording, and archiving the audio of virtually every cell phone conversation” in at least five countries. At any time, they could listen to the stored conversations of any calls conducted by cell phone throughout the entire country. Though we published the names of four countries in which the program had been implemented, we withheld, after extensive internal debate at The Intercept, the identity of the fifth — Afghanistan — because the NSA had convinced some editors that publishing it would enable the Taliban to know where the program was located and it could endanger the lives of the military and private-sector employees working on it (in general, at Snowden’s request, we withheld publication of documents about NSA activities in active war zones unless they revealed illegality or other deceit). But WikiLeaks subsequently revealed, accurately, that the one country whose identity we withheld where this program was implemented was Afghanistan.
There was virtually nothing that could happen in Afghanistan without the U.S. intelligence community’s knowledge. There is simply no way that they got everything so completely wrong while innocently and sincerely trying to tell Americans the truth about what was happening there.

In sum, U.S. political and military leaders have been lying to the American public for two decades about the prospects for success in Afghanistan generally, and the strength and capacity of the Afghan security forces in particular — up through five weeks ago when Biden angrily dismissed the notion that U.S. withdrawal would result in a quick and complete Taliban takeover. Numerous documents, largely ignored by the public, proved that U.S. officials knew what they were saying was false — just as happened so many times in prior wars — and even deliberately doctored information to enable their lies.

Any residual doubt about the falsity of those two decades of optimistic claims has been obliterated by the easy and lightning-fast blitzkrieg whereby the Taliban took back control of Afghanistan as if the vaunted Afghan military did not even exist, as if it were August, 2001 all over again. It is vital not just to take note of how easily and frequently U.S. leaders lie to the public about its wars once those lies are revealed at the end of those wars, but also to remember this vital lesson the next time U.S. leaders propose a new war using the same tactics of manipulation, lies, and deceit.
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[mountain_jim]

no real MSM press pushback for this event, as per usual



That means no questions from Emerald Robinson or Peter Doocy. If Trump was in office right now, they would throw the gauntlet at him.
Major Patriot
@MajorPatriot
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DAILY CALLER: Biden will be taking questions only from pre-approved media, per White House.

[leavesoftrees]

Any evidence that China muscled US out?

No news to me that the US was there for the drug money.

For the next 20 years(maybe 50), no country on earth could muscle US out. Because of their superiority in military and weapon.

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T

So now China controls the heroin - again.

Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
Funny how that works.

Viking

China's payback for the Opium Wars

The Opium Wars was between Britain and China.

China will be controlling the heroin in every country, including Britain and US
Britain is no longer the super power - the US is, which China is determined to unseat

[Ratszinger]

Biden is walking around but nobody is behind the wheel, Harris is a lost cause and Psaki? Don't get me started but this whole thing could have been avoided had Biden or someone in his admin. kept the agreement Trump made to exit no latert than May 1st of this year but as usual the left cheated and ignored it and they even got a three month extension grace period and still drag their feet! This is all on Biden! He ignored a agreement made between the USA and the Taliban and now the admin and him both pay for it. Normally I love when the left is eating their own but this is ridiculous and dangerous now for everyone in the world.

[Phoenix1304]

Not seen one mask in all the news coverage of this event. Isn’t COVID a problem in Afghanistan then? They weren’t begging the West for vaccines then? Not a useful narrative at this point I guess.

I agree with Agape, although the medieval practice that causes some Muslims to to allow grubby turbaned men to cut out the clitorises of women with a razor blade, without anaesthetic, shouldn’t exist in the modern world and I despair for the women that must live among these beasts with their twisted perceptions and inordinate fear of the feminine, (God forbid that woman has a moment’s pleasure) they should be locked away from civilised people IMO. One can only hope the Sunni’s have evolved somewhat from total barbarism. Evacuate all the women and let them get on with it, I say. See how the tough, know it all guys manage then.

I read the Afghan army greatly outnumbered the Taliban troops, 180k to 85k, but surrendered instantly because they hadn’t been paid, as corrupt officials squirrelled the funds in Swiss bank accounts. What a squalid mess it all is.

It’s time women ruled the world and the men should stop telling everyone to listen to their absurd philosophies, women know. It’s simple, love and be loved. Too simple for the self important, arrogant, greedy, power hungry oafs.

Sorry, bit of a rant. I’m angry too. So much needless suffering.

[Gracy]

Don't get me started but this whole thing could have been avoided had Biden or someone in his admin. kept the agreement Trump made to exit no latert than May 1st of this year but as usual the left cheated and ignored it and they even got a three month extension grace period and still drag their feet! This is all on Biden! He ignored a agreement made between the USA and the Taliban and now the admin and him both pay for it. Normally I love when the left is eating their own but this is ridiculous and dangerous now for everyone in the world.

I see, so this is all about the left again, okay fair enough. Just that is there anyone who can clearly define, or even better, demonstrate, why the Trump/the right's plan followed to a T would have had such a significantly different outcome? Even though the Taliban has been steadily gaining ground for years anyway, they would have somehow been held at bay in a power vacuum?

And if the plan and timing was so bullet proof, why didn't Trump just prioritize it and show the whole world how seamlessly in could be done under his own watch?

My own answer is that there is no plausible plan able to facilitate what is now being demanded of it.

[Ratszinger]

Don't get me started but this whole thing could have been avoided had Biden or someone in his admin. kept the agreement Trump made to exit no latert than May 1st of this year but as usual the left cheated and ignored it and they even got a three month extension grace period and still drag their feet! This is all on Biden! He ignored a agreement made between the USA and the Taliban and now the admin and him both pay for it. Normally I love when the left is eating their own but this is ridiculous and dangerous now for everyone in the world.

I see, so this is all about the left again, okay fair enough. Just that is there anyone who can clearly define, or even better, demonstrate, why the Trump/the right's plan followed to a T would have had such a significantly different outcome? Even though the Taliban has been steadily gaining ground for years anyway, they would have somehow been held at bay in a power vacuum?

And if the plan and timing was so bullet proof, why didn't Trump just prioritize it and show the whole world how seamlessly in could be done under his own watch?

My own answer is that there is no plausible plan able to facilitate what is now being demanded of it.

It's obvious by the history just look back. They could all have left peacefully for the last three months and before. You make choices and you live with them or you don't make choices such as Biden but either way you live with them. Now the left has this in their lap yes mam! All the way. How can Trump be blamed for this in any legit way? As I recall Trump's time ran out when his win was stolen from him. Again, look back to recent history. Selective memory loss perhaps?

[pyrangello]

After Biden's speech he went back to camp David for a foot massage and pedicure. Everything is on auto pilot now, what a disaster this is. I got in a heated discussion with a Vietnam vet today about this exit, my final comments to him were this isn't 1970, this is 2020.

[Agape]

It’s all about extreme poverty and absence of true humanitarian values, from the start and if you ask me. If you have never been to any country where extreme poverty is prevalent you may not know what I’m talking about.

For sure, extreme poverty “could be eradicated” today but it’s been around for thousands of years all around the globe. People who own almost nothing and thus, can be owned.
Through many historical epochs and wars, someone always keeps buying these people as a commodity. Working force, that’s in better case of course, more frequently as ideological, political and military force. Look at the same situation in North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia and many African and South American countries and stop painting yourself a picture of comfy ideological lies.

As people with decades in education about human history on this planet, I mean most of us anyway, you may be attracted to an idea of distant and advanced cultures of the past but do not miss the darkness of several past centuries and millennia.
The bearings of which can be found everywhere around us if you care to move your a$$ around and see for yourself, without the shiny flashes offered by today’s “tourism agencies”.

Perhaps I’ve seen too much, out of those comfy zones, to call this civilisation a happy place to be in. Every country have their own range of problems but the pattern sort of repeats.

After 150 years of British occupation of India, extreme poverty and famines lasting for years were prevalent and still in existence through the end of last century and due to the numbers of people thus affected it can’t be said to be eradicated, but it’s being solved by steps, here in India I mean, concerning lives of 1.5 billion people.

Anyone who has been to Asia or Africa in the past before the very recent, most modern facilities were built around tourist industry in order to bring people in and out safely for their holiday dollar knows it.

But if you’ve never been to what’s called “third world country” you just don’t know. You can scuff at me and the rest of humanity I’m naively trying to defend from the “ma’am with the face mask”.

Whenever there is famine and human disaster ongoing , such as in Afghanistan following decades of war and military invasions, the world shrugs away.
For years lasting famine and disaster in Yemen, no one cares unless they militarize.

To North Korea we issue embargo’s and more threats when they suffer from famines, not “this year”, just about last hundreds of years , with everyone “in power” yearning to supervise the process and “own the territory” and its people.


As a “great democrat” brought up in middle class family who got the principal education just right, always ate on time but fainted once in the office for skipping breakfast for few days out of your wives sight, your vision in rainbow colors is not more than posh movie series, you disembark in front of these “savages” you see who did not make it by default and ask them with cheek you consider the correct business manner “and what can you do for us” in return for our help ?
Can you manufacture something we could sell and take advantage of because you know, we don’t really need you but we want to you “working”, hard working for us , the smarties who got it all just right.

You know all the post traumatic stress syndrome we have suffered and the soldiers have suffered but who cares about millions of people suffering from extreme stress everyday , it’s exhausting , it’s difficult to maintain “health” or strength under such circumstances and the only thing you wish every morning is that you were not humanly present and alive because it only means more pain.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=804d1-r2t6k&feature=emb_title

And then, remove body mutilations and gender abuse but introduce a kidney trade and remove hijabs and introduce face masks and remove the extreme sharia law but bring in prostitution and rape of children by UN troops and so forth and tell me( not)
how more “civilized” are we than “those people”,

how less ideologically enslaved or smarter at all

when we sell them weapons to kill for millions of dollars that would be worth tons of food, medicines and decent life options.
Instead we pay for the bombarder plane to sort it out ?

Get it right for once, till we do wrong it’s the wrong ( response) we inevitably receive back. You wanted to trick someone “to your beliefs” and manipulate people to the left or to the right is bad karma. A work of ego nothing else.

Giving people resources, help when they really need it and education can’t ever “go wrong”.

It’s mostly about that, and no private person , individual or even the Rockefeller’s foundation can sort it out or be held responsible for what the humanity has done to themselves in the past and some shamelessly continuing to press in the same pattern. Like the emergency button they told you to use, the same recording to play only to save yourself for you are the best.

Sorry for the rant also.


It’s just about “all of us”.


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[gini]

I have to think about what happened 2o years ago :" What was the significance of the assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud on September 9 2001?
Massoud was assassinated at the instigation of al-Qaeda and the Taliban in a suicide bombing on September 9, 2001. Two days later, the September 11 attacks occurred in the United States, which ultimately led to the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation invading Afghanistan and allying with Massoud's forces. "

" In a bid to destroy Al-Qaeda and under the guise of bolstering local and global security, the US initiated the war in Afghanistan on October 7, 2001. The US quickly occupied Kabul and dismantled the Taliban regime. But it did not stop its operation. Instead, it increased its troop presence in Afghanistan in 2010.1 "

That event foreshadowed the dark changes following 911..

[Tracie (Bodhicee)]

Interesting about the Chinese. It's all just a massive game of influence and favors. Thanks to poor alzheimer’s sufferer Biden’s latest gaf of complete and total abandonment, the fall of Saigon is looking like a well planned exit. If we lose the airport in Kabul it will be even more of a mess, if that’s even possible at this point. I suppose it can always be worse. It could be raining. At least they have the weather as they scramble into the choppers. My heart goes out to the PMC’s who will be left till last.

Well not last last. We will leave behind thousands of translators who spoke to the Taliban on our behalf, often in adverse situations having to translate very dangerous language. Not to forget the three hundred thousand strong army we equipped and trained. Plus the tens of thousands who helped in every other way. But without our money supporting and underpinning that army it was always a hollow shell, as the relentless march by city by city to the capital with little to no resistance has proved. So instead of chasing through goat herds and dust with 50’s mounted on Toyotas, twenty years later we leave them with Humvees, Blackhawks and Jet fighters!

We should have quit 18 years ago when we smashed up their training camps and chased AQ over the mountains into Pakistan, we won, that was our time to leave with honor. So they treat their women and people badly, it’s not our place to die for that sort of woke ****. The thing that tipped the scales in the eighties for the the Russian withdraw wasn’t the stingers we gave the mujahideen, it was the puppet government trying to make the schools system more inclusive for girls.

They don’t share our values, end of. They probably never will, no matter how many dollars or bullets we offer them. The Taliban are a proud people and were glad to see the back of AQ, we should have left them to their medieval backward lives then. How other people choose to live should not be a call to arms for the west. Counter insurgency is a tactic, not a strategy. Clearly there was never any more of a plan than to make as much money out of it as possible for as long as we possibly could. There are literally trillions of reasons this was a great success to a few thousand and a massive loss for everyone else involved. War is a racket.......x...... N

Wow Nasu. WORD. I agree.

[Inversion]

Whatever power controls Afghanistan would have a firm grip on the future. Wikipedia estimate is one trillion in untapped minerals and the video says three trillion.
Mining in Afghanistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan)
Rare-earth elements (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare-earth_element)

Afghanistan is one of the richest mining regions in the world.
video posted 03/18/21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9pOQioOEGg

[Mike Gorman]

Any evidence that China muscled US out?

No news to me that the US was there for the drug money.

For the next 20 years(maybe 50), no country on earth could muscle US out. Because of their superiority in military and weapon.

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So now China controls the heroin - again.

Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
Funny how that works.

Viking

China's payback for the Opium Wars

The Opium Wars was between Britain and China.

Some would have you see that America/Britain are essentially the same empire, via the City of London macro financial control over western democratic funding, Dutch Bank, Swiss Bank IMF e.t.c : in terms of the behind the scene, macro perspective we are dealing with the same financial/power brokers District of Columbia/City of London = the same team.

[Journeyman]

I suspect much of what we're seeing from MSM is fake. I don't think the people really fell off the plane. Hopefully this was staged. The key points were President Ghani leaving with so much cash he needs to leave $5m in cash because there's not enough room to take it and the ineptitude and dishonesty of the Biden Administration. The Greenwald piece above tells you the rest. The difference between the story we were told of a principled exercise in nation building and the reality, a baksheesh fuelled feeding frenzy for the Kabul frontmen and the insiders and mercenaries skimming the vast sums flowing in and out of the country.

There hasn't been any fighting, none of the tribal leaders or factions have put up any kind of fight. Why? The deals were already done. I think the plug was pulled on this particular great game and it was pulled some time ago. The US military hasn't suddenly become so inept that it can't stage a withdrawal and it would never have relied upon the Afghan army when they knew better than anyone what a mirage it really was. The leader of the Taliban was released by Trump and Pompeo met with them last year. My guess is to agree a transition which would take place on President Patsy's watch.

The regime in Kabul was rotten and that rot meant that it was always going to fall as soon as the money and external power propping it up was removed.
There've been frightening stories about what this could mean for Afghan women or others that may incur the Taliban's displeasure but for now these are stories and I reserve judgment simply because the spreading of these stories has in the past been part of the armoury of those seeking to push intervention and profit from it. We now have to watch to see if any other great power seeks to fill the vacuum or if the people of Afghanistan will be left to govern themselves. That in itself could tell us much about the world we now inhabit. Time will tell.

Perhaps though there's a positive aspect to this grievous waste of human potential, lives, limbs and resources. If people have been paying attention, if they learn, then it will be impossible for the voices urging imperial adventurism on humanitarian pretexts to get so many blank cheques signed in future.

[jaybee]

I think that the New World Order Elite who pull Biden's strings have probably covertly helped the Taliban to take over Afghanistan - in the same way that the Obama Administration helped ISIS in Syria with a view to assisting with the creation of a Sunni lead Islamic State... (except they didn't pull it off)

They like authoritarian regimes - who keep the populations well under control and 'they' are trying to move the West into the same kind of politics..... where individual freedoms are a thing of the past...

By it's very nature a One World Government has to be a dictatorship... but everyone will not (initially) be the same - I remember seeing an interview with Kissinger and he said something along the lines of... that all the geographical areas of the world don't need to be the same in the NWO and different areas would reflect their cultural basis but would be part of and answer to the One World Government... (my words and gist of it from memory)

There was probably a deal done with the Taliban behind closed doors that so long as they traded their Minerals and heroin and went along with the NWO they would be left alone to control vast tracts of land and the people in it -

Biden being a Globalist Puppet was just told what to say and when... and now the situation is going exactly to plan although it is being presented as a disaster...

Biden must have been scripted to say what he said about it all previously - the 'it won't be like Saigon' speech so you have to wonder if we are seeing the first stages of him being thrown under the bus... as he reaches the end of his usefulness... and dementia takes a firmer hold on him....

Besides handing Afghanistan over to a ( cooperating?) authoritarian Taliban regime the Globalists are humiliating America which is going towards bringing the country down...

(that's the way I'm interpreting it all at the moment...)

[leavesoftrees]

Here is an excerpt from a report of a court case going on in Australia (currently adjourned because of lockdown) against an Australian soldier accused of killing an innocent Aghani farmer. Three Afghani witnesses gave evidence from Kabul to a Sydney court, via a translator based in Ottowa. It gives an interesting picture of what life is like there


The three Afghan witnesses, 38-year old Mohammed Hanifa Fatih, 40-year old Man Gul Rahmi, and Hanifa’s elderly father, Shazada, are men of the soil, born and bred in the village.

They’ve spent most of their lives working the fields and orchards which line the creekbed that runs below their compounds.

They’ve never learnt to read or write. As their evidence revealed this week, they measure time in seasons – when corn is ready for harvest, or almond trees heavy with bounty – rather than in years. Distance is measured by how long it takes to reach a neighbouring village on foot, or the height of a riverbank by handspans, or the length of a limb.

Man Gul scoffed this week when shown a photo taken by the SAS of Ali Jan’s mangled body. Pictured with the corpse was a communications device which Roberts-Smith claimed he and the other soldier (identified only as Person 11) found near the woodcutter’s body.

But Man Gul and Hanifa were both adamant: Ali Jan had never been seen using a radio and had never possessed one. Indeed, Man Gul said, Ali Jan hadn’t known “how to work out a watch” let alone a wireless device.

[Agape]

I suspect much of what we're seeing from MSM is fake. I don't think the people really fell off the plane. Hopefully this was staged. The key points were President Ghani leaving with so much cash he needs to leave $5m in cash because there's not enough room to take it and the ineptitude and dishonesty of the Biden Administration. The Greenwald piece above tells you the rest. The difference between the story we were told of a principled exercise in nation building and the reality, a baksheesh fuelled feeding frenzy for the Kabul frontmen and the insiders and mercenaries skimming the vast sums flowing in and out of the country.

There hasn't been any fighting, none of the tribal leaders or factions have put up any kind of fight. Why? The deals were already done. I think the plug was pulled on this particular great game and it was pulled some time ago. The US military hasn't suddenly become so inept that it can't stage a withdrawal and it would never have relied upon the Afghan army when they knew better than anyone what a mirage it really was. The leader of the Taliban was released by Trump and Pompeo met with them last year. My guess is to agree a transition which would take place on President Patsy's watch.

The regime in Kabul was rotten and that rot meant that it was always going to fall as soon as the money and external power propping it up was removed.
There've been frightening stories about what this could mean for Afghan women or others that may incur the Taliban's displeasure but for now these are stories and I reserve judgment simply because the spreading of these stories has in the past been part of the armoury of those seeking to push intervention and profit from it. We now have to watch to see if any other great power seeks to fill the vacuum or if the people of Afghanistan will be left to govern themselves. That in itself could tell us much about the world we now inhabit. Time will tell.

Perhaps though there's a positive aspect to this grievous waste of human potential, lives, limbs and resources. If people have been paying attention, if they learn, then it will be impossible for the voices urging imperial adventurism on humanitarian pretexts to get so many blank cheques signed in future.


Journeyman, I agree with almost everything except that “there are no people who fell off plane”, it’s outrages and absurd to watch and how was it even allowed to happen in the age of strict airport controls,
a scene I’ve only seen in some 100 year old movies otherwise.

I think too it was all planned but “not so well”.


People are scrambling to get out at all costs, also from Iraq, Iran, Palestine, China, Laos, Cambodia, India, Philippines and many other countries in hope and daytime dream of better life and future for themselves and their children.

As where human emotion goes any downgrade is humiliating and often a spiral downward so my heart goes to these people, with a caveat.
They should have been better prepared for this moment and reclaim their power instead running.

The madness shows a discrepancy in logic between the “natives” and the “invaders” and that they were not able to cope together on a task.

Half of them probably believed in converting their country to American paradise.

Afghanistan has some of the eeriest, most serene and beautiful landscapes on the planet.
It’s not easy place to inhabit due to harsh climatic conditions of mountains and deserts.


The NWO had whole another plan for nomads and Taliban and tribes who are growing small in numbers worldwide, they could be eventually put to communal type of housing ( quite like Tibetans in China), vaccinated and taught proper manners.

Or they could just shoot themselves to the foot and die.

In small case now, there is something I’ve noticed with the Afghani students I once talked to and it seemed to be their national feature but in fact, probably qualifies as chronic PTSD, they seem to be blanked on empathy as they’ve got it very hard from start, from the beginning, their mothers were beaten and no one has played with them a lot and got gun for 5th birthday in some cases.

If there is something these people urgently need is not a “force”. It’s a higher human emotion they were cut off and are massively missing.

Their Allah is empty of substance unless even one of them proves otherwise. Everyone swears to the God everyday who is the most Compassionate.

Be merciful and you can’t lose the case ..




Something I wanted to insert here , 2008 movie The Objective , a “sci-fi” based allegedly on some real events and experience of soldiers in Afghanistan.

There was a full copy available on YouTube for many years that I can’t find now but anyone who can give it a look.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_tWv3eyHao



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[Baby Steps]

I don’t know why people in the UK are describing this as the greatest foreign policy disaster since Suez , that honour goes to the illegal invasion of Iraq - we are still awaiting prosecutions of Tony Blair et al.

The foreign policy disaster was invading Afghanistan in the first place. All strategists who understand the geography knew that a foreign power can only temporarily dominate this region due to geography. Like in jungle regions, he who controls the hinterlands can isolate and threaten the towns - you cannot occupy such places, especially when the ‘hill men’ had been forged into a highly effective guerilla force by the CIA.

Why would the strategists and wonks tell politicians that this was false?

It is here that the western public may get the opportunity to awaken to the reality of the huge stinking tumour growing on their shoulder that is the security state.

It is these people who, knowing that the policy was doomed would still push it .

Firstly as we all know 911 was a security state inside job with Saudi patsys involved. Bin laden , likely a member of the CIA likely had little to no involvement in the operation - so he was also a patsy.

The security state never indicted him , and no real attempt was made to bring him to justice in a court of law - that would have exposed too much. The taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden if proof of guilt was supplied - see the following article (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-expel-bin-laden-1.332150%3fmode=amp) (Irish Times)



Bush rejects Taliban offer to expel bin Laden

Afghanistan's Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Haji Abdul Kabir, the third most powerful figure in the Taliban, told reporters visiting…

Patrick Smyth

Mon, Oct 15, 2001

Afghanistan's Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Haji Abdul Kabir, the third most powerful figure in the Taliban, told reporters visiting Jalalabad "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country," one that would never "come under pressure from the United States." President Bush quickly rejected the offer.
The US and Britain yesterday launched a second week of bombing raids against Afghanistan, with heavy strikes reported on Kabul and Kandahar, amid reports that a tactical shift involving land operations by special forces may be imminent.
The strikes, and confirmed reports of civilian casualties, came as the Taliban yet again offered to hand over Osama bin Laden if evidence was produced against him.

So why would the security state embark on what was only going to be a fiasco?

- the generals pretended that they thought they could succeed
- the strategists wanted a central Asian base to threaten Russia and China
- the drug runners wanted opium
- the arms companies wanted war and instability

The security state provided the politicians with the short term opportunity to pretend that they were responding strongly to the 911 atrocity while propping up the lie as to who was behind it. All these people are the same in that they don’t care about truth or long term benefit, they just need to make money in the short term and succeed politically - this is the growing illness in the western system - it’s like a fiasco factory.

What has happened now it not a disaster - it’s in many ways good for the following reasons :

- the country will stabilise with stable government
- the west will stop pouring resources into a fiasco
- with stability will come investment
- the Chinese will offer to pour money in , but will attach strings regarding moderation of the worst aspects of primitive islam
- as China builds its ‘belt and road’ project, vast infrastructure projects will start and Pakistan will be heavily involved
- over time , with stability and education - the taliban will moderate
- in the west people will awaken to the causes of the fiasco and hopefully attack the tumour

The other strategy lying in ruins is the western drive to promote unstable failed Islamic states on the fringes of Russia and China . As Turkey cosies up to Eurasia they will hopefully abandon that dangerous game

I think the opium is a bit of a wild card . The taliban have a record of stopping this trade however theologically I think they are not against selling to infidels. This then may ramp up - or China may use it as a weapon - or a bargaining chip.

[mountain_jim]

Factual or image-altered?

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/082/251/709/original/62587ff84f830cf7.jpg

[Pam]

China, at least in the use of "illegal" opiates has already dominated the US with the synthetic opiate fentanyl which is 80-100 times stronger than morphine and quite affordable on the streets. It is so strong it doesn't need to be injected to get the rush that heroin addicts seek.Where oxycontin was the first wave of OD's in the US, fentanyl is the second. It is a white powder and is easily shipped to the US. Interestingly, the largest suppliers of fentanyl for this are located in Wuhan.

Of course, fentanyl has therapeutic uses as well for intense pain relief.

[Journeyman]

Journeyman, I agree with almost everything except that “there are no people who fell off plane”, it’s outrages and absurd to watch and how was it even allowed to happen in the age of strict airport controls, a scene I’ve only seen in some 100 year old movies otherwise.

I may well be off my rocker and I've said I increasingly feel like I'm watching a movie (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113728-You-re-watching-a-movie), but the scene of the people running alongside the plane, there was a CGI look about it.

More than that, much of this has felt staged, there was a shot of a chinook over the US embassy that looked, to this observer, as if someone had been given the iconic shots of the evacuation of Saigon and told 'make it look like that'.

https://www.r2o.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/history-repeats-itself-evacuation-of-the-us-embassy-saigon-1975-kabul-2021.jpg

So much of this just doesn't quite add up. There are tens of thousands desperate to escape? Then why does the German plane sent there to evacuate them leave with 7 people onboard?

https://www.rt.com/news/532274-german-first-afghan-evacuation-plane/


“We had very little time, so we only took on board people who were on site.”

Ok, maybe so, but maybe we're getting a distorted picture?

I don't want to deny people's lived experience. Easy for me to sit here looking at photos on the web and say 'it's all fake' whilst there could well be people in desperate circumstances out there. However, my take is based on the fact that the MSM has been repeatedly caught out in lies, from small lies of omission to gigantic whoppers that would make Pinocchio's nose grow all the way to the moon and back. They cannot and should not be trusted on face value, in particular whenever they're pushing a particular line in unison.

I also remember a lot of things about the initial push to go into Afghanistan. The Taliban were in govt and although there were aspects of their rule that do not sit well with this Western liberal, they had made much progress in certain areas, for instance on encouraging farmers to ditch poppy production. They also offered in the wake of 9/11 to make any of the people charged with offences available to international courts, what they wouldn't do is surrender them unconditionally to US custody, which was of course the only option acceptable to the Bush administration.

The generals of the Northern Alliance which the CIA then bought to overturn their regime all had blood on their hands and a nasty record when they'd been in power, but all that was overlooked as regime change was sought. Once back in power they governed just as they had before, settling old scores, playing tribal politics, demanding vast amounts of tribute etc.

For almost 20 years the Taliban has been the bogey man, whilst there's been ample evidence that the regime that was installed by the West has itself been corrupt to the core. I'm not naïve to the nature of some of the extremists in the Taliban or the very real likelihood that some people are facing a grim future under their rule. However, just like yourself, I know people who have come from the very harshest area of the country and it's a place where violence is endemic in a way that few here can understand. Whichever faction was backed externally, there would be a reaction against them.

I don't think the intervention took place to seek justice for 9/11, because the people that really did that weren't in caves in the bora bora mountains, they were probably more likely to be found in mansions in NYC itself, or Bern, London, Tel Aviv, Dubai etc. etc. It was about controlling one of the most strategically vital locations (https://thegeopolity.com/2017/09/07/the-geopolitics-of-afghanistan/) on the planet, whilst making vast sums of money at the same time. Tragically it's the population of the country, as ever, that are left to pick up the bill.

[Journeyman]

I don’t know why people in the UK are describing this as the greatest foreign policy disaster since Suez , that honour goes to the illegal invasion of Iraq - we are still awaiting prosecutions of Tony Blair et al.

The foreign policy disaster was invading Afghanistan in the first place. All strategists who understand the geography knew that a foreign power can only temporarily dominate this region due to geography. Like in jungle regions, he who controls the hinterlands can isolate and threaten the towns - you cannot occupy such places, especially when the ‘hill men’ had been forged into a highly effective guerilla force by the CIA.

Why would the strategists and wonks tell politicians that this was false?

It is here that the western public may get the opportunity to awaken to the reality of the huge stinking tumour growing on their shoulder that is the security state.

It is these people who, knowing that the policy was doomed would still push it .

Firstly as we all know 911 was a security state inside job with Saudi patsys involved. Bin laden , likely a member of the CIA likely had little to no involvement in the operation - so he was also a patsy.

The security state never indicted him , and no real attempt was made to bring him to justice in a court of law - that would have exposed too much. The taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden if proof of guilt was supplied - see the following article (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-expel-bin-laden-1.332150%3fmode=amp) (Irish Times)



Bush rejects Taliban offer to expel bin Laden

Afghanistan's Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Haji Abdul Kabir, the third most powerful figure in the Taliban, told reporters visiting…

Patrick Smyth

Mon, Oct 15, 2001

Afghanistan's Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Haji Abdul Kabir, the third most powerful figure in the Taliban, told reporters visiting Jalalabad "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country," one that would never "come under pressure from the United States." President Bush quickly rejected the offer.
The US and Britain yesterday launched a second week of bombing raids against Afghanistan, with heavy strikes reported on Kabul and Kandahar, amid reports that a tactical shift involving land operations by special forces may be imminent.
The strikes, and confirmed reports of civilian casualties, came as the Taliban yet again offered to hand over Osama bin Laden if evidence was produced against him.

So why would the security state embark on what was only going to be a fiasco?

- the generals pretended that they thought they could succeed
- the strategists wanted a central Asian base to threaten Russia and China
- the drug runners wanted opium
- the arms companies wanted war and instability

The security state provided the politicians with the short term opportunity to pretend that they were responding strongly to the 911 atrocity while propping up the lie as to who was behind it. All these people are the same in that they don’t care about truth or long term benefit, they just need to make money in the short term and succeed politically - this is the growing illness in the western system - it’s like a fiasco factory.

What has happened now it not a disaster - it’s in many ways good for the following reasons :

- the country will stabilise with stable government
- the west will stop pouring resources into a fiasco
- with stability will come investment
- the Chinese will offer to pour money in , but will attach strings regarding moderation of the worst aspects of primitive islam
- as China builds its ‘belt and road’ project, vast infrastructure projects will start and Pakistan will be heavily involved
- over time , with stability and education - the taliban will moderate
- in the west people will awaken to the causes of the fiasco and hopefully attack the tumour

The other strategy lying in ruins is the western drive to promote unstable failed Islamic states on the fringes of Russia and China . As Turkey cosies up to Eurasia they will hopefully abandon that dangerous game

I think the opium is a bit of a wild card . The taliban have a record of stopping this trade however theologically I think they are not against selling to infidels. This then may ramp up - or China may use it as a weapon - or a bargaining chip.

:clapping:

I hadn't read your post when replying to @Agape but we see things much the same way in terms of the long term implications.

In the short term my suspicion is that this entire process was agreed upon when Baradar was released:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898321/Freed-jail-help-Donald-Trump-Abdul-Ghani-Baradar-head-Afghanistan.html

Maybe there's a tacit 'sphere of influence' agreement with China and Russia also.

[ExomatrixTV]

Biden SLAMMED Over Kabul Crisis Over The Weekend, But Some PRAISE His Speech:

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[Journeyman]

Biden SLAMMED Over Kabul Crisis Over The Weekend, But Some PRAISE His Speech:

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There was a lot of truth in the speech. Biden is something of an enigma. Like they said about Trump, there are 'two Joe Biden's'. There's the fall down the airport steps, forget things, exaggerated senility guy and then there's the other Joe, the one that delivers speeches with timing and the semblance of sincerity. I think he's being prepared to take a fall and that may have been the plan all along, but there are flashes in what he says which have the ring of truth about them and the speech on Afghanistan was one of them.

[mountain_jim]

As reminded to me by X22 report vid, this from December 2019

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/mike-flynn-interview-afghanistan-papers-report-2019-12



Mike Flynn’s blunt interview with staffers kicked off the investigation into a bombshell Afghanistan report


Retired US Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump’s first national security adviser, is in the spotlight for his critical statements on America’s war in Afghanistan.

His statements prompted an extensive Washington Post investigation, published Monday, that uncovered a candid history of the war that revealed the US government had largely misled the public.

The Post, stumbling upon a secret government review, found that officials and advisers from the White House and the Pentagon held private reservations about the war even as they publicly peddled an optimistic view of Afghanistan’s progress.

“From the ambassadors down to the low level, [they all say] we are doing a great job,” Flynn told government investigators, according to documents and audio recordings obtained by The Post. “Really? So if we are doing such a great job, why does it feel like we are losing?”

Retired US Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump’s first national security adviser, is in the spotlight for his past statements about America’s war in Afghanistan.

The Washington Post on Monday said it was those statements, which it received a tip about years ago when Flynn emerged as a prominent campaign surrogate for Trump, that prompted its extensive investigation into the US government’s history of misleading characterizations of the war.

The full Post report on Monday into what are now dubbed “The Afghanistan Papers” detailed a secret government review in which hundreds of people involved in the war effort were interviewed. Many, including senior officials, were found to have held private reservations about the war effort even as the White House and the Pentagon publicly peddled an optimistic view of Afghanistan’s progress.

Flynn’s comments about the war, which were made in a November 2015 interview with the Office of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction but which The Post said it learned about in the summer of 2016, sparked what became a three-year push by The Post to obtain transcripts of interviews like Flynn’s.

“From the ambassadors down to the low level, [they all say] we are doing a great job,” Flynn told SIGAR investigators, according to documents and audio recordings obtained by The Post. “Really? So if we are doing such a great job, why does it feel like we are losing?”

“So they all went in for whatever their rotation was, nine months or six months, and were given that mission, accepted that mission and executed that mission,” Flynn added, referring to the mission of newly deployed military leaders. “Then they all said, when they left, they accomplished that mission. Every single commander. Not one commander is going to leave Afghanistan … and say, ‘You know what, we didn’t accomplish our mission.'

Flynn, who was the intelligence director for the NATO coalition in Afghanistan, had a tenuous relationship with the Obama administration at the time. He was fired from his position as the director of the Defence Intelligence Agency in 2014 after differences with James Clapper, then the Director of National Intelligence.

“I was fired … after telling a congressional committee that we were not as safe as we had been a few years back,” Flynn wrote in his memoir, “The Field of Fight.”

Flynn would continue to make disparaging remarks about the Obama administration. He was later tapped by Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and then served as his national security adviser. He was ousted from that role in less than a month, however, after lying to Vice President Mike Pence about his contact with Russian officials. In 2017, Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI in connection to its investigation of 2016 Russian election meddling. He is expected to be sentenced later this month.

Jeffrey Eggers, a White House staffer for both Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, also questioned whether the US’s efforts in Afghanistan was paying off after the killing of the Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in 2011.

“What did we get for this $US1 trillion effort? Was it worth $US1 trillion,” Eggers, a retired US Navy SEAL, told government investigators.

“After the killing of Osama bin Laden, I said that Osama was probably laughing in his watery grave considering how much we have spent on Afghanistan,” Eggers added.

The findings of the government review have been considered incriminating when compared with top US officials’ public statements. John Sopko, the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction, told The Post that the report indicated “the American people have constantly been lied to.”

More than 2,300 US troops have died in the 18-year war, in addition to more than 3,800 contractors.

The Defence Department on Monday afternoon denied it had misled Congress or the public.

“Most of the individuals interviewed spoke with the benefit of hindsight,” Lt. Col. Thomas Campbell said in a statement. “Hindsight has also enabled the Department to evaluate previous approaches and revise our strategy … [the Defence Department] has been very clear that this war will not end on the battlefield.”

“We remain in Afghanistan to protect our national interests and ensure that Afghanistan is never again used as a safe haven for terrorists who threaten the United States,” Campbell added.



From yesterday

https://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2021/08/regarding-afghanistan-and-beyond-i-believe-we-have-passed-the-point-of-salvation-for-our-senior-military-leaders-and-politicians-_general-flynn-3241998.html



Regarding Afghanistan and beyond..I believe we have passed the point of salvation for our senior military leaders and politicians _General Flynn
Monday, August 16, 2021 14:41

Regarding Afghanistan and beyond; I believe we have passed the point of salvation for our senior military leaders and politicians. We have allowed military and civilian lawyers (read rules of engagement restrictions) to become all powerful and our Generals (indecisive and risk averse) to become nothing more than career seeking politicians. Those are 2 big reasons we have continued to fight and lose wars (we are trained at participating in wars and untrained at winning wars since WWII). AFG is a sad situation, as were the kurds in Iraq, but at least Trump pushed our respect internationally (being tough and smart is better than being tough and stupid). Today I don’t believe America is respected the way we were only a few short months ago. More countries visit China these days than come to the U.S. and China is prepped to recognize the Taliban once they declare the Islamic State simply to embarrass us. My sense is Taiwan is having some incredibly uncomfortable internal discussions (American apathy is likely starting to sink in). As are a lot of US allies in Europe. I also believe China is doing a lot of war gaming of costs and benefits currently with respect to the south China sea and Europe. We are now in a fully engaged information war. Soon it may be worse—I pray our senior military leadership is intensely planning all options—the best plan offers the most options at the last possible moment. So now we wait. Trust me, our enemies are not waiting. They plan and they don’t care about stupid mask policies or fake insurrection BS. Our enemies will be working on the next three vulnerabilities we haven’t even thought about. I believe Russia and China are clear eyed on our corrupt political leadership that they and many other nations no longer respect nor fear. America will come back and soon but it will come at a cost. If the bureaucracy in WDC (esp., DOD, State and the IC) want to keep acting like utopian ideologues, we will lose, if you find your courage, we will win. I say step up, stand up and straighten up your backbones, demand far better from your leaders and let’s start winning again.

[Gracy]

This is interesting. Trump from back in late June both taking full credit for the withdrawal, and acknowledging the obvious that the installed puppet government doesn't stand a chance against the Taliban without US backing.

Only the first 35 seconds are relative to this thread.
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[mountain_jim]

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also Trump:




What took place yesterday in Afghanistan made our withdrawal from Vietnam look like child’s play. Perhaps in World history, there has never been a withdrawal operation that has been handled so disastrously. A President who has been illegitimately elected has brought great shame, in many ways, to our Country!


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" You forgot “destroy any usable equipment/materials.”

https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1427611469051465732?s=20


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-says-goal-evacuate-5000-9000-people-day-kabul-airfield

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And on the question of what actually happens after the August 31 'complete pullout' deadline previously set by Biden, the Pentagon had no answers.

Kirby's answer when pressed about the ongoing chaotic scenes in Kabul has tended to be simply to shrug it off and say "no plan is perfect".


Whaat do you mean this is rocket science to idiots?!?? The above is standard protocol, the fact such protocol was broken shows this was deliberate generation of a crisis...its by design




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[mojo]

Hi Gracy May There is a huge difference in the type of exiting strategy. Nobody I know wants to keep Troops in Afghanistan. Trump was solid in his plan for leaving because the exit for leaving was conditioned based. He warned the Taliban exactly what would happen if they didnt comply. Biden broke Trump's timing and he wanted to use 9-11 for some reason and provided no exit strategy.

A video segment filmed by one of our contractors in Kabul. All the military equipment is all left out for the Taliban.

start 37 minutes
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[Delight]

I heard rumors that thousands of Americans were left behind after being told to "shelter in place" and I want to know if this is true?

[Delight]

Hi Gracy May There is a huge difference in the type of exiting strategy. Nobody I know wants to keep Troops in Afghanistan. Trump was solid in his plan for leaving because the exit for leaving was conditioned based. He warned the Taliban exactly what would happen if they didnt comply. Biden broke Trump's timing and he wanted to use 9-11 for some reason and provided no exit strategy.

A video segment filmed by one of our contractors in Kabul. All the military equipment is all left out for the Taliban.

start 37 minutes
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It has been pretty clear from all angles that the intent of the handlers of the current situation here in the US is take down of the empire. It is the devil's pitch fork with so many prongs....destruction of FAITH, destruction of health, destruction of community, economy, freedom, FUTURE. EVIL is stomping the heads of bystanders who did nothing to deserve the flack except be born.

That is at least the appearance?

It is really really frustrating to have been hearing about the planned demolition for the last 50 years. People simply look ridiculous as they try to act like the Biden administration, EVEN the Trump administration, the Obama administration and the Bushes, Bushes, Reagans etc are FRIENDLY to human beings. This is all using our energy to create various forms of hell on earth.

All this equipment left behind, the Afghans airlifted in, the disaffected allies left behind... just another brick in the wall that is meant to be built very high and unstable and bury us in rubble of pain and suffering. Innocents everywhere as collateral damage pile up. Not new. I once believed the world could change. I have been feeling very depressed except for moments of epiphany that this is primarily about our inner fortitude. This is a blip in eternity and I am a soul visiting this construct.

What DOES it means to stand up for the value of GOOD. What would I be willing to do to "save myself"? Who would I screw over? Will I be able to remain a TRUE human being even when the pitchfork is coming at me? Will I grab someone and put them in front of me to shield me? Will I murder to try to remain alive? HOPEFULLY I KNOW BETTER. What goes around comes around.

[Journeyman]

Agree with the noor bin laden quote above. This is definitely an operation, I'd only qualify the statement by saying the intention is to humiliate the American administration.

The Trump quote Gracy May posted above is as clear a signal as you will get that this outcome was pre determined, the Afghan regime was not expected to survive.

So why, given the internal knowledge within the pentagon and state dept, why the ludicrous statements from Biden? Why the squandering of prestige, the abandonment of equipment only to be photographed in taliban hands?

Did the US army forget how to wage war? How to stage a graduated withdrawal?

This is a pantomime. This administration is being used to get uncomfortable tasks, such as disengaging from Afghanistan, accomplished without incurring any lasting political damage on anyone that matters.

President Piñata.

[mountain_jim]

The humiliation and weakening of the US might be a part of the CCP infiltration - let's see what happens in Taiwan soon.



US Senator John Cornyn, Republican for Texas, posted on Twitter figures of American soldiers stationed in foreign countries.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1477990/china-news-taiwan-john-cornyn-US-troops-1979-immediately-launch-war-world-war-3



Chinese media threatens 'immediate war' on US troops in Taiwan after Senator leaks numbers
BEIJING will "immediately launch a war" on US troops in Taiwan if an American Senator's figures are correct.
By DYLAN DONNELLY
PUBLISHED: 11:21, Tue, Aug 17, 2021 | UPDATED: 12:31, Tue, Aug 17, 2021


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regardless, CCP will do well

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kyle-bass-china-move-under-security-and-diplomatic-guise-pilfer-afghanistans-trillions



Kyle Bass: China To 'Move In Under Security And Diplomatic Guise' To Pilfer Afghanistan's Trillions In Minerals
Tyler Durden's Photo
BY TYLER DURDEN
TUESDAY, AUG 17, 2021 - 02:50 PM
Kyle Bass is warning that China - which announced it was ready to deepen "friendly and cooperative" relations with the Taliban mere hours after they toppled the Afghan government - is going to "move in under security and diplomatic guise" to pilfer Afghanistan's trillions in mineral deposits.

[Strat]

Did the US army forget how to wage war?

This was a guerrilla war, not a war of army vs army. This costs $$ to win. Without $$ there is no winning it, Bin Laden knew this and the ANA knows this. That's why it's in their best interest to just surrender. At least in my opinion.

FWIW everyone I've met who's fought in Afghanistan says the ANA was worthless.

[mountain_jim]

Longer Gen. Flynn

https://www.westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-heart-broken-bidens-afghanistan-failure/



OP ED: Exclusive from Gen. Flynn: My Heart Is Broken by Biden's Afghanistan Failure

My heart breaks as I see the Afghan people flood the Kabul airport in the hope of escaping the Taliban. President Biden’s assurances — supposedly based on what he was told by his intelligence community — that the Afghan Armed Forces were fully able to defeat the Taliban proved to be colossally wrong.

Americans want to know whether President Biden and Defense Secretary Austin’s military-wide “stand-down” order to root out insufficiently woke “extremists” in the armed forces has caused our Defense Department to ignore what is unfolding in Afghanistan, as well as other real threats to our nation.

After Afghanistan, I believe we can no longer rely on neocon senior military leaders, talking heads and politicians. We have allowed military and civilian lawyers (read: rules of engagement restrictions) to become all-powerful, and many of our generals have been so indecisive and risk-averse that they are acting as little more than career-seeking politicians.

We have been trained at participating in wars but untrained at winning wars since WWII. Afghanistan is a tragic situation, much like the Kurds in Iraq, but at least President Trump drove up our respect internationally, which proves that being tough and smart is better than being tough and stupid.

Today I don’t believe America is respected the way we were only a few short months ago. More countries visit China these days than come to the U.S., and China is prepped to recognize the Taliban once they declare the Islamic State — if only to embarrass us.

Seeing our defeat, my sense is Taiwan is having some incredibly uncomfortable internal discussions — as are a lot of U.S. allies in Europe. I also believe China is doing a lot of wargaming of costs and benefits with respect to future moves in the South China Sea and Europe.

America is now in a fully engaged information war. Soon it may be worse. I pray our senior military leadership is intensely planning all options; the best plan offers the most options at the last possible moment.

Trust me, our enemies are not waiting. They plan and they don’t care about stupid mask policies or fake insurrection show trials. Our enemies will be working on the next three vulnerabilities we haven’t even thought about.

I believe Russia and China have a clear-eyed understanding of our corrupt political leadership that they and many other nations no longer respect or fear. America will come back soon, but it will come at a cost.

If the bureaucracy in Washington (e.g. the Defense Department, the State Department and the Intelligence Community) want to keep acting like utopian ideologues, we will lose. If they find their courage, the U.S.A. will win.

So I say step up, stand up and straighten up your backbones: We the people demand far better from our leaders, and if there is a battle necessary to be fought, let’s start winning again.

The leadership with respect to our homeland is no better. President Biden announced to the world that our southern border was open to the world, and the world responded reasonably by invading. At the same time, his Attorney General Merrick Garland — confirmed with 20 “Republican” votes too — threatened to sue Texas over Gov. Abbott’s executive order seeking to regain control of illegal aliens spreading COVID-19.

While demonstrating weakness with our enemies, they become more ruthless with our people. I get the sense that there is no federal power that Biden-Harris will not abuse to suppress political opposition.

The latest alert from the Department of Homeland Security is just the latest in a long series of crimes against the nation that could threaten the bonds that hold our country together (and “Build Back Better” is now a joke).

Who will win in the conflict between the Biden administration and the people? I don’t know. But Biden-Harris should take a look at what is happening in Afghanistan for how quickly the political situation on the ground can change.

Once a critical mass of Americans realizes what is being done to it, the ruling class will begin to suffer defections. The FBI agents that today are willing to conduct early-morning raids may realize the kind of country they are helping create.

Change will be required by our military officials who today are turning away from ensuring military readiness to enforce socialist programs such as critical race theory instead of training and preparing to win our nation’s wars. They must realize that this is not what they signed up for.

And even the Americans who voted for Biden-Harris will realize that this team operates through deception and deceit.

Take heart. Look at Afghanistan. Things can change quickly. Keep the faith. Pray. Work. Speak truth to power. Fear not and never give up.

Remember the words of 2 Chronicles 20:15: “Thus says the Lord to you, ‘Do not be afraid and do not be dismayed at this great horde, for the battle is not yours but God’s.’” And when you’re done praying, stand up and serve your communities and our nation in different ways using the God-given talent and skills that each of you possesses.

[Journeyman]

Did the US army forget how to wage war?

This was a guerrilla war, not a war of army vs army. This costs $$ to win. Without $$ there is no winning it, Bin Laden knew this and the ANA knows this. That's why it's in their best interest to just surrender. At least in my opinion.

FWIW everyone I've met who's fought in Afghanistan says the ANA was worthless.

I didn't phrase my point well. I wasn't referring to the counter insurgency aspect or the ANA, but solely the management of the retreat. US moving out of highly secured area in a zone not currently under Taliban control. No need for a rushed withdrawal, certainly no need for leaving vast amounts of weapons.

[Strat]

Did the US army forget how to wage war?

This was a guerrilla war, not a war of army vs army. This costs $$ to win. Without $$ there is no winning it, Bin Laden knew this and the ANA knows this. That's why it's in their best interest to just surrender. At least in my opinion.

FWIW everyone I've met who's fought in Afghanistan says the ANA was worthless.

I didn't phrase my point well. I wasn't referring to the counter insurgency aspect or the ANA, but solely the management of the retreat. US moving out of highly secured area in a zone not currently under Taliban control. No need for a rushed withdrawal, certainly no need for leaving vast amounts of weapons.

Ahh ok, gotcha. I agree 100%.

[Journeyman]

Be interesting what happens with the financial setup in Afghanistan (https://steemit.com/money/@sajeelahmad/three-countries-without-a-rothschild-central-bank):


In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned or controlled Central Bank:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

Any movement on that front may give an insight into events elsewhere.

[Agape]

As if 20 years flashed through my eyes and now again, can see the things clearly.
2001 I was here in Dharamsala,
almost 3rd year in the monastery when 9/11 happened.
We watched that on TV from local dhaba :) You can’t say THAT was not absurd. I thought for a second it’s a new thriller but shocked these seemed to be real events. We all starred at the small plasma screen in awe, speechless.

I thought, this is an attack on the US land, right after Pearl Harbor, this may start a war.
Then all the logic flipped back immediately and we have collectively admitted this could not be carried on from outside the US as such operation requires both high tonnage and organised cooperation of American personnel.
I doubt that the Talibans with ancient rifles were capable of anything that sophisticated at that point.

In 2003, we watched Iraq being bombarded and oil rigs burning, it was on the BBC news 24/7. I was in Bodhgaya at that time.

Securities started steeping up ever since.

Such as temples and monasteries, entry points to train stations and long and amazing Delhi tube not only being guarded by military but enforcing airport type of scan/check on every passenger and luggage.
Saw this happened globally ever since resulting in inhuman treatment of countless passengers including little children, people being probed and poked to in most humiliating manners.

I’ve passed through many airports , scans and checks since, some better than others but the whole “terrorist security scam” has turned to a menace.

It’s short of logic, based on very narrow vision, not only that, by over focusing on “terror attack on airplane” ( cca/ Hollywood productions) they actually attract attention to the idea while in reality any potential “evil maker” can carry attack at any place, any time.

Vis those many attacks by US citizens including teenagers on their own groups in recent years and you may call out for one thousand conspiracy theories covering those but miss a detail or two.

Speaking of terror attacks and higher sociological behaviour they are not restricted to a particular human group, or faith, it seems to me.

By increasing the pressure of madness and suspicions, endless queries, stupid questionnaires, time consuming for all parties, the pressure has increased on so many people who considered themselves “in the norm” and mental issues rate rose to 60% in many highly civilised countries, in fact more controlled the society bigger health issues, see the UK, the most advanced EU countries are quietly coping with the same problems so are the Americas.

So if you can’t read the sociological equation, you take lives, take souls , you will fail because your own people will fail, because we all are “sentient beings” by birth and existence, not “by conviction”.

Right after the Law of One follows the Law of Action and Reaction, so if we @do” something to the people at the Gate, if we repeatedly doubt and suspect them for terrorists sorry to say it’s not better than what the nazis and the communists did to their own people , treating them like cattle.

This is the ideological off stand that has fallen on all of our heads, the philosophy of disbelief and hard core agnosticism bordering psychotic attack on border check vs a merciful Universal Intelligence who loves you and wants to spare you soul annihilation.

We need to surpass the equation I believe rather than sorting it because neither party is capable of any sort of “reconciliation” or subjugation of opinion and idea,

we need to advance beyond the problem, make a leap to future where we stop claiming we don’t understand and basically, stop bad mouthing and bull****ting each other,

During the last 20 years I’ve seen many people globally “lost friends” in local communities, many groups were dissolved and people were encouraged to “take care about themselves” the most.

It hurt some and it hurt all of us equally, losing friends or seeing them losing soul and life to some kind of business and fast baked conviction, everyone hit high on thinking since, good enough but it may be the time to “come back” and return on track, for all the soldiers and the small city bank thieves,

see what the Afghani people did is what any other people do in emergency, withdraw your money from the banks and the state monopoly loses power. The French threatened to do right that to their banks at some point :)

It dissolves “some of the mess” that actually masquerades as “order”.

Of course there are several crossing points on the way that may leave us all in serious pickle but as long as everyone can abstain from violence and tame those who are acting madly even if they are “the generals” and act with empathy and kindness, we are safe.


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[Delight]

I am praying for all the people fearing for their lives.

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[Mashika]

I'm astonished about how easy the US government lies about every single aspect of this

Yesterday, i watched a video of Hillary Clinton saying something like "The Soviet Union invaded that country, then the Taliban was created to liberate it, it worked for us". When in reality we all know, by historical facts, that the US created the Taliban, to take down the government of those days, and THEN that government asked for help from the USSR, and only after a long while they got the help they were requesting

And a second hipocritical BS lie, "we are worried about the human rights and woman rights".. Are you? Didn't you take down the most progressive government that country has ever seen? One that had women on top of everything? One that had them attend college and be free and work at their best, in professional environments, allowing them to be as strong and as successful as they could be?

You, US government, were not very worried about their rights, back then, and you created the monster that took away their rights and celebrated it!

And now you are "worried", yes you are

Anyway, what seems to be really going on is this:

The existing current government, got a hold of news that China was interested in investing a lot of money, way more than the US would send. So they started talks and got very friendly. The US did not like that, and they pushed back, but as usual, and since the puppet government setup by the US was so corrupt, they kept going strong with their plans to sell off the country to China. So the US talked to the Taliban and then the Taliban talked to China and Russia as well. It was agreed that the current government would be taken down, as long as the Taliban would not cause a massive crisis in the region. They so far have observed this agreement. But! Now they are also talking to China about the exact same thing the US tried to prevent, the investment of China in the region.

So in the end it turned out to be the same, but way worse for human rights, as usual, when corruption is involved in every single step of "fake democratization"

So now, there is a small problem, the US is "gone" but not really, they are going to move to other countries nearby, wait for things to implode (or caused them somehow) so they then can go back in (in name of the human rights) Because they can't allow the Taliban to start sending all the "resources" to China, instead of the US. The Taliban has never respected the US, and they have betrayed them now, like taking candy from a kid :)

The puppet president of Afghanistan, had to run away and stole hundreds of millions of dollars on his way out, and you must ask, why is he moving along countries around the middle east, and not to the US? Why is the US not hosting him as other officials or government workers? Because he betrayed the US, he made deals behind the US's back, with China...

I wonder if we are going to hear the US government saying something like "we are looking for the ex-president, he must answer the law, for all the money he stole from the Afghan people when he run away from the country". Why is the US president, or anyone, talking about this?

Even regular people are escaping the country in US planes, but the ex-president? He seems to avoid the US help. Would think he would have been the first one to be helped out of danger, right? I wonder if "crimes" we'll soon be "discovered" and he will be targeted and killed, before he says something inadequate or compromising that exposes what really happened and why the US is "leaving while staying"

Are we to assume the US did not know he was corrupt and stole possibly billions of dollars through the years?

Is the US president really three kids under a trench coat? Blaming everyone for everything and then running away before someone else has a chance to reply or say anything at all?

Meanwhile, people will die and suffer tremendously, just like when the last, actual functional government that actually improved the country and had real stability, rights, and a future planned for their citizens, was demolished without any care, just for money and strategic power

"I know lots of you will die, but that's a sacrifice i'm willing to make"

I have further questions. So many questions...

ETA:

The only actual truth is that we all are part of this in one way or another, and we decided to not care or truly look into it or attempt to make any kind of change, until it broke. And then we observe and question, but we are equally to blame, because all this time very few did anything about it, the current grand mothers and even mothers in Afghanistan, were free at some point, probably lawyers, doctors or other professional area, and now they are just hiding away on their homes, seeing history repeat with their daughters/grand daughters. And probably nothing will truly change, since eventually this Taliban government will either be accepted again, as it was when it took down the previous one in the 90's, before the US saw need to take it down after 2001, OR, it will remain in power for a long time

And everyone will pretend everything is great and cool, money will flow and the damage will be forgotten, just like it happens on Saudi Arabia and other places like that

:thumbsdown:

Nothing will ever change until people truly care and grow up, specially the ones at the higher levels, but those are the most unlikely to do, they don't know anything about those people, and they don't care. It's hard to care about a mother seeing her daughter taken for a sex slave when you are more worried about your Kobe steak not getting overcooked

[Mashika]

I don't blame the US people, i don't blame the soldiers, i don't blame the people and soldiers from other countries. I put the blame on the US government and no one else, because they were the ones that after watching Afghanistan prospering and becoming a successful state, under their own control and with very good educated people and raising among other countries int he region, they decided it wasn't "going to work" for their own benefit

So they took it to themselves to make sure it would fail. And for that, they went along all the poor uneducated villages, gathering all the ignorant islamic fundamentalists they could find, then they whispered in their ears "See that? This government is against Allah, they want to make women better than you, they want to make you and women equal. See what's happening on this town and that city? It's coming here and you won't be able to stop it! Would you like to fix things?"

And then they gathered fundamentalist islamic leaders and turned them into a Mujahideen army, gave them arms and training and pushed them, in their glorious ignorance, to believe they were fighting in the name of God/Allah.

Then, they raised strong, armed and with money and resources sent from the US, to take down the corrupt anti-Allah government. And more money and resources kept coming in, until the Afghanistan government asked for help and eventually the USSR and others replied. Then the US government already had another scenario setup in central America, with drug production that involved the destruction of a full generation in the US, just to illegally fund the "civil war" in Afghanistan and other middle east places, we all know about that, don't we?

There is a reason all history resources you find in western media, all start with "In 1979, the Soviets invaded Afghanistan". You will never hear what happened just the years before, of why it happened. Or a comparison of the state of the country before and after that year, and who was involved, it's all vague on purpose, as usual

"The CIA financed the Mujahideen", but were did the money came from? We all know where, it's a big piece of hypocrisy to pretend we don't. Everyone, even the own US citizens, is expendable as long as the plan is executed and succeeds, that's all

And to now come and claim "we are worried" with a straight face... Sit down Joe Biden, just sit down. You have no moral ground to even raise your hand to have an opinion anymore

Just a couple days ago, while browsing reddit, i saw a thread that started with "The Taliban started as a rebel, freedom fighter group to liberate the country from the brutal communist regime that was in control".. Talk about being ignorant of reality

Here a few questions for all the people who seem to fail to put 2+2 together

If the Taliban "liberated the country" from the "evil regime", then why the US imposed sanctions against Afghanistan soon after the USSR left? And against the Taliban itself?

And, if the Taliban was "the people", then why have "the people" suffered more and the US had to "liberate them" from the evil Taliban, after 2001?

And finally, if the Taliban, truly was what people wanted all along, why are they running so desperately away from it now? Risking and dying all over, just for a chance to escape "the freedom fighters" the US created in the first place?

Some people really can't put two pieces of lego together, but i guess that's by design

Common sense? What's that!

/rant

[Bubu]

I'm astonished about how easy the US government lies about every single aspect of this



That's the way of the devil. Don't expect them to act like a normal human being. They are not.

[mountain_jim]

Assange 2011 quote:



Julian Assange speaking in 2011: "The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war"


real billboards (as seen in a video internal to Gab)

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/082/352/625/original/75c2828992c8809d.jpg


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/082/322/594/original/c379e23f7e6a47a8.jpg

[ExomatrixTV]

What is China's interest in Afghanistan:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Tucker: What the hell was that?

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[ExomatrixTV]

NOW The Global Conflict Has Been Turned On YOU!:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Trey Gowdy: Must be really bad if New York Times criticized Biden:

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[Gracy]

Tulsi Gabbard adds her 2 cents:
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[Mike Gorman]

This is a failure of courage, a complete abnegation of responsible government and mature diplomacy-they knew that these people would be vulnerable to the pre-Neanderthal level reasoning of the Taliban and their vengeance: this is a crime of the 1st order.
How can the Biden/Harris administration survive this?
The world is truly lost if this is allowed to stand.

[mountain_jim]

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/082/443/802/original/01655abb24e61299.jpeg



On the other hand, there may be some weird propaganda/mind-control efforts in progress?...


https://smhoaxslayer.com/the-photo-with-claim-that-800-people-were-aitlifted-in-c17-from-afghanistan-is-actually-eight-years-old-philippines/



The photo with claim that 800 people were airlifted in C17 from Afghanistan is actually eight years old, Philippines

This photo is not recent from Afghanistan and not ben done by Indian Air Force. It is 8 years old photo from Philippines, when US Air force evacuated people to save them from a Typhoon.

The first thing we did was to zoom the photo and look closely.

Not even a single person was wearing the clothes worn in Afghanistan.
The faces looked East Asian and not west.

Source

On reverse image search we found this viral image to be from Philippines, Year 2013


https://i0.wp.com/smhoaxslayer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/IMG_20210816_220332.jpg?zoom=2&resize=800%2C445&ssl=1


https://media.gab.com/system/preview_cards/images/015/630/154/original/80a76c1d978239d6.jpeg


but this is a different photo that does look accurate?

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/082/402/694/original/f323035d912daebc.png

[mountain_jim]

Tulsi Gabbard adds her 2 cents:
16_YskdLFzQ

Collectively we need to fix our elections and primary processes, so I can vote for this woman for President and have the voting be fair and accurate. (well that's one reason)

She might have to run independently, due to the way the DemoRat Party controllers fix who gets their nomination out of the primaries, however.

[mountain_jim]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/planes-guns-night-vision-goggles-talibans-new-us-made-war-chest-2021-08-19/




Planes, guns, night-vision goggles: The Taliban's new U.S.-made war chest
By Idrees Ali and Patricia Zengerle, Jonathan Landay

https://www.reuters.com/resizer/fJxfbWWB-DTKmWvJFaD_KqWTt2s=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/B374KBCWVFJ6ROKNHZRDUE7MLU.jpg

Military vehicles transferred by the U.S. to the Afghan National Army in February 2021. Afghanistan Ministry of Defense/via REUTERS

WASHINGTON, Aug 19 (Reuters) - About a month ago, Afghanistan's ministry of defense posted on social media photographs of seven brand new helicopters arriving in Kabul delivered by the United States.

"They'll continue to see a steady drumbeat of that kind of support, going forward," U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters a few days later at the Pentagon.

In a matter of weeks, however, the Taliban had seized most of the country, as well as any weapons and equipment left behind by fleeing Afghan forces.

Video showed the advancing insurgents inspecting long lines of vehicles and opening crates of new firearms, communications gear and even military drones.

"Everything that hasn't been destroyed is the Taliban's now," one U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Reuters.

Current and former U.S. officials say there is concern those weapons could be used to kill civilians, be seized by other militant groups such as Islamic State to attack U.S.-interests in the region, or even potentially be handed over to adversaries including China and Russia.



https://gab.com/QAnon_John/posts/106782132631635435




Ok guys, there are some MAJOR habbenings taking place right now in Afghanistan that I can guarantee the MSM is completely silent on…

1. An airplane listed as a Boeing VC-25A the SAME kind of aircraft as AF1 has been spotted at Kabul Airport.

2. US Army 10th Mountain Division has boots on the ground in Kabul providing security at the Airport.

3. US CENTCOM is Commander Gen. McKenzie is also in Kabul doing a walk through.

Eyes On. 👀👀👀




@QAnon_John monkey werx has trusted eyes on ground and that plane aint there. Watch his last show put out an hour ago..


Some are saying Pamela Harris is in Kabul, "Not Publicly Seen in 6 Days, Is Leaving For a 'Trip' "

[mountain_jim]

Latest Trump statement

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/082/497/018/original/78e927c23eebda88.jpg

[Eric J (Viking)]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/planes-guns-night-vision-goggles-talibans-new-us-made-war-chest-2021-08-19/




Planes, guns, night-vision goggles: The Taliban's new U.S.-made war chest
By Idrees Ali and Patricia Zengerle, Jonathan Landay

https://www.reuters.com/resizer/fJxfbWWB-DTKmWvJFaD_KqWTt2s=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/B374KBCWVFJ6ROKNHZRDUE7MLU.jpg

Military vehicles transferred by the U.S. to the Afghan National Army in February 2021. Afghanistan Ministry of Defense/via REUTERS

WASHINGTON, Aug 19 (Reuters) - About a month ago, Afghanistan's ministry of defense posted on social media photographs of seven brand new helicopters arriving in Kabul delivered by the United States.

"They'll continue to see a steady drumbeat of that kind of support, going forward," U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters a few days later at the Pentagon.

In a matter of weeks, however, the Taliban had seized most of the country, as well as any weapons and equipment left behind by fleeing Afghan forces.

Video showed the advancing insurgents inspecting long lines of vehicles and opening crates of new firearms, communications gear and even military drones.

"Everything that hasn't been destroyed is the Taliban's now," one U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Reuters.

Current and former U.S. officials say there is concern those weapons could be used to kill civilians, be seized by other militant groups such as Islamic State to attack U.S.-interests in the region, or even potentially be handed over to adversaries including China and Russia.



https://gab.com/QAnon_John/posts/106782132631635435




Ok guys, there are some MAJOR habbenings taking place right now in Afghanistan that I can guarantee the MSM is completely silent on…

1. An airplane listed as a Boeing VC-25A the SAME kind of aircraft as AF1 has been spotted at Kabul Airport.

2. US Army 10th Mountain Division has boots on the ground in Kabul providing security at the Airport.

3. US CENTCOM is Commander Gen. McKenzie is also in Kabul doing a walk through.

Eyes On. 👀👀👀




@QAnon_John monkey werx has trusted eyes on ground and that plane aint there. Watch his last show put out an hour ago..


What an absolute shambles this is turning out to be...the Taliban must be laughing their heads off with this...

US et al are now the laughing stock of the world...millions and millions of dollars supported by the tax payers down the drain... :facepalm:

Viking

[jaybee]

Call me suspicious - but it looks to me like the Taliban have been armed by the scheming Globalist Elite - via the Biden Administration's withdrawal arrangements.... but it's been made to look like ... whoops a bit of a boo boo... similar to the way the 'rebels' in Syria were armed but.... whoops..... the weapons ended up in the hands of ISIS..

[Hym]

Tulsi Gabbard adds her 2 cents:
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Collectively we need to fix our elections and primary processes, so I can vote for this woman for President and have the voting be fair and accurate. (well that's one reason)

She might have to run independently, due to the way the DemoRat Party controllers fix who gets their nomination out of the primaries, however.

How can I be civil about this?
Maybe I shouldn't be civil about this.
Good. I won't be civil about Tulsi lying, again.

As we approach the 20 year anniversary of the elite's false flag on the ground that most of the elite are from, are residents of, I will not stand and complement the smooth words, words we'd even say, words that we have said in our most detailed conversations, our posts here...yet other words we haven't used here and in many places awake to the truth, words that start off with a gigantic lie:

"After Al-Quaeda terrorists attacked us on 911..."

I don't know even one person on this forum who believes that. I don't know even one person outside of this forum who believes that, even as not one perpetrator of that gigantic lie has been prosecuted. Does it take that for people, even well informed people to get the hypnosis out of their minds? Maybe one of the trolls who were kicked out.

No thank you, Maam. I DO appreciate your service and I will forever protect your RIGHT to be treated to everything you deserve, that you have righteously earned, for that service. I will not sit still while you are honestly stating truths about the issues we are all facing and mud it all up by lying.

I don't know about many here, but no matter how much my friends love me and I them, and no matter how much we agree on almost everything, we never let each other get away with lying like that. Never. Maybe that's why I'm blessed to have the friends I have thru thick and thin.

Her comment is born, again, out of strategic ignorance of how openly dishonest and self righteous she is. Either she is a shell of a person repeating a globalist narrative, or she honestly thinks that she can get away with that....Really?

So, a small group of foreigners with box cutters also have access to all of the advanced weaponry, military scheduling, ability to coerce high and mid ranking military and civilian officials, control over sovereign, strategic weaponry systems, media outlets, owners of the buildings involved and the intel, financial records inside of those buildings, crisis actors readily available for comment on media outlets, control of those high ranking bureaucrats who warned various groups in so-called enemy businesses days before,

AND .... they also, even after flunking flying lessons in Cessnas, could fly those advanced aircraft like not even the most highly experienced pilots in the world can...while at altitudes where the planes weigh so much more that their engines cannot produce that much thrust.....
Guys with boxcutters you say......?

I'd like to believe that this articulate, SEEMINGLY honest person, but there is not one shred of evidence that happened. She sure plays a dumb, empty hand, but she must think it's a brave new world. Not one of my career military relatives nor friends believes a word she says.

Like I said before, if we cordially met at some time, my first question to her would be why she was lying about 911. And if she said it was her informed opinion that someone, anyone, other than an international group of controllers, financiers, and military traitors within her own government did it, I'd ask her to show the proof, knowing full well that the proof millions of people have worldwide would stand in great contrast to whatever she suggested was the real proof, in her view of course.

And her tell, by the way, is when she turns her head to her right, our left. She has some others, but that one is taught in basic body language 101. We'll see if and when she jumps back on the lie train, the political stump, and if she has been taught to stifle her body language, or if it is exaggerated.

Don't get me wrong, I'd probably get along with her for a few minutes, until she started talking politics, or about her experiences in the military, a fact which I would sincerely thank her for, until I started remembering the corruption my high ranking relatives and friends in the military have told me about for decades.

I honor their service by remembering what they told me and by stepping up to prevent ignorance from clouding people's understanding. I'd protect her if the occasion arose, but not verbally from her lying, again.

I'd recall the day my brother in law, a Vietnam vet, a sniper in the Rangers, pointed a gun at my head, a 1911, and told me to ALWAYS tell the truth, to fight this battle with all I had. Or the time another sikh, dying of his parkinson's disease, strongly, loudly reminded me to be what my name is, whenever I was asked the truth about the corruption in the american sikh community. "This is YOU! Be YOU! I expect nothing less."

[onawah]

JULIAN ASSANGE ON AFGHANISTAN
8/19/21
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/julian-assange-on-afghanistan/

https://rumble.com/vle5l5-julian-assange-on-afghanistan.html

"The Globalists want us to focus on the Americans stranded in Afghanistan rather than on the upcoming results of the Arizona audits and of the 8 additional states that are now conducting audits, to say nothing of the collapse of the pandemic narrative nor of the CCP’s decades of unrestricted warfare and resulting institutional collapse, which has permitted all of the above.

It is now inescapable that the Biden administration actively enabled the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and its concomitant humanitarian crisis, in which the protracted extermination of tens of thousands of Americans now appears assured.

Raheem Kassam at The National Pulse reports that, “Joe Biden’s State Department moved to cancel a critical State Department program aimed at providing swift and safe evacuations of Americans out of crisis zones just months prior to the fall of Kabul…”

The blockbuster report on Wednesday centers on a “SENSITIVE BUT UNCLASSIFIED” State Department document from the desk of Deputy Secretary of State Brian P. McKeon, who was confirmed by the Senate last March, regarding the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau, which was designed to handle medical, diplomatic, and logistical support for Americans overseas and which was paused by Antony Blinken’s State Department earlier this year.

Kassam reports,

“Career officials inside the State Department objected to the Trump-era aim of creating a Contingency and Crisis Response bureau with the express purpose of avoiding a future Benghazi-style situation for Americans overseas.

“Instead, Biden’s team revoked the funding and the approval for the plan, even as the COVID-19 crisis reasserted itself, and and Afghanistan withdrawal loomed…

“The decision to pause the program may have come as early as February, both undermining the original Trump-era date for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, and certainly giving the Taliban time to threaten American assets and lives on the run up to Joe Biden’s September 11th date of withdrawal.”

Ten years ago, Julian Assange explained the true function of a destabilized Afghanistan as a money-laundering center for the tax bases of both the US and Europe and for the funneling back of this filthy lucre to what he called the “transnational security elite.” "

[jaybee]

Assange 2011 quote:



Julian Assange speaking in 2011: "The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war"





Tulsi Gabbard adds her 2 cents:
16_YskdLFzQ


although Tulsi Gabbard is only hopping around the entrance of the rabbit hole and is talking about the Elite creating wars etc to 'spread democracy' which is the opposite to what they want ie they want to create a One World Government Dictatorship.... I feel she is being sincere .... and is enough of a threat to said elite that never in a million years would she ever have been allowed to become the Democrat Candidate...

Even though she hasn't gone down the rabbit hole... perhaps she is fairly mainstream at the end of the day... she was the only Democrat that had a chance of beating Trump without cheating... (IMO)..... but it was never going to happen - NEVER -

I favour Assange's analysis - but that would be hard for Tulsi to take on board perhaps... ?

[Eric J (Viking)]

This looks like an interesting angle about why and what’s going on... :idea:

Biden Lets China Grab World’s Biggest Lithium Deposits With Botched Afghanistan Exit

AUGUST 20, 2021
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The immediate consequences of U.S. President Joe Biden’s botched exit from Afghanistan may be just political but its economic impact will ripple across several advanced industries in the years to come. Biden may have just gifted China an opportunity to grab Afghanistan’s considerable reserves of rare earth metals, including the world’s largest lithium deposits, and cement its domination of the market for these crucial minerals.



Director of emerging market debt at asset management firm AllianceBernstein, Shamaila Khan told CNBC’s “Squawk Box Asia” that minerals in Afghanistan “can be exploited,” and with the Taliban now in control of those valuable resources, it is a “very dangerous proposition for the world.” Khan added that at this point, the international community should watch China closely if it seeks to become allies with the Taliban after the militant group captured Kabul on Sunday.



Afghanistan has large reserves of lithium, neodymium, silver, gold, mercury, and other valuable elements, said Ahmad Shah Katawazai, a former diplomat at the Afghan Embassy in Washington D.C. He said rare earths in the country were estimated to be valued between $1 trillion and $3 trillion last year. An internal Department of Defense memo in 2010 called Afghanistan “the Saudi Arabia of lithium.”



China is a dominant player in the global rare earths market and has used shadow curbs on their exports for leverage during trade frictions with other countries. Figures from the U.S. Geological Survey show that the world’s second-largest economy holds about 35% of global rare earth reserves. China’s ability to control Afghanistan’s reserves will further add to its ability to target advanced manufacturing industries of other countries during periods of trade and military friction. Additionally, it would open up a steady revenue opportunity for the Islamist terror group. The Taliban has already called China a “welcome friend” in Afghanistan.



Rare earth metals are important for most advanced industries, from electric vehicles to satellites. The Financial Times reported in February that Beijing is planning export curbs on rare earths in order to hobble the U.S. defense manufacturing, including the F-35 stealth fighters.



Questions about China’s potential alliance with the Taliban emerged shortly after Chinese government spokeswoman Hua Chunying said during a press briefing Monday that “China has maintained contact and communication with the Afghan Taliban and played a constructive role in promoting the political settlement of the Afghan issue.” Importantly, the Chinese embassy has not evacuated its staff from Taliban-controlled Kabul.



When asked about China’s motives in reaching out to the Taliban, Khan said “there should be pressure on China if they are going to do alliances with the Taliban in order to generate economic aid for them – that they do it on international terms.”



Afghanistan’s lithium reserves, in particular, are considered important for the advancement of the clean energy sector. Lithium is an essential metal used for renewable energy products, and questions have been raised about how the Taliban will wager the largely untapped reserves. Development economics researcher at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, Nick Crawford, said it is almost certain China will do business with the Taliban for its lithium reserves, Quartz reported.



Crawford predicted that China may opt to offshore some environment-related damages that come with lithium mining, but this approach will further trigger environmental hazards such as air pollution and other climate change-related disasters.



When asked whether China will recognize the Taliban’s power in Afghanistan, Hua said the Taliban have said multiple times that they “hope to grow sound relations with China” and that the Chinese government welcomes “those statements.” Regarding the Chinese embassy’s operations in Kabul, Hua said the embassy was “operating normally.”



Solid-state batteries might determine the future of power storage. Pictured: A Panasonic Corp’s lithium-ion battery, which is part of Tesla Motor Inc’s Model S and Model X battery packs, is pictured with Tesla Motors logo, Nov. 19, 2013.

Source
https://www.ibtimes.com.au/biden-lets-china-grab-worlds-biggest-lithium-deposits-botched-afghanistan-exit-1744058

Viking

[jaybee]

Re the post above.... info in this thread OP (from ThePythonicCow) adds to the big picture about what's going on...


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116006-The-History-of-the-21st-Century-replacing-petroleum-with-rare-earth-minerals&p=1447205#post1447205

[helium]

Call me suspicious - but it looks to me like the Taliban have been armed by the scheming Globalist Elite - via the Biden Administration's withdrawal arrangements.... but it's been made to look like ... whoops a bit of a boo boo... similar to the way the 'rebels' in Syria were armed but.... whoops..... the weapons ended up in the hands of ISIS..


Duuhh! And I mean no disrespect. Or maybe I've gone too far from mere suspicion to paranoia. Obviously everyone visible in the US government and military was told what to do, and to then stand down. They did as told. We see the results. The power structure on the other side of the world (from me, in the US) is changing overnight. Some scumbag so-called elite who may even be reading these words wanted that change in power structure, and they wanted the new structure to benefit from the wealth of the US. Was the US blackmailed by the hidden forces? Told to obey or face worse consequences?

A second motive might be that the orchestrator of these events wants to direct the US public's attention away from vaccines, etc. If there is an enormous bloodbath in Afghanistan as is inevitable, the US mainstream media is going to be pushing the atrocities into everyone's face to encourage them, US citizens, to not only forget about vaccine hysteria, but to hate whomever the PTB's want to be hated, for their sick purposes. And considering the brutality that has already begun, there will be much hatred building up. Who might the author of this abomination wish to target with that stored public anger?

[Journeyman]

I've posted this site several times before and you can read about here it if you'd like additional context (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114649-Symbolism-Communication-decoding-hidden-communication-within-the-mainstream-media), but I think this is one of the best single decodes that they've published:

https://decodingsymbols.wordpress.com/2021/08/19/afghanistan-tax-funded-child-abuse/

I think it' s well worth your time, if only for the collection of graphs, news articles etc dealing with Afghanistan in the past.

If you buy into the blogs central premise however there's a lot more that if true helps to make sense both of the events of the past ten days in Afghanistan, but the entirety of the US led occupation. For those who haven't read this site before but don't want to read my rather longwinded intro thread (don't blame you!) the basic idea is that many news stories carry double meanings and if you understand these then you can find 'comms' taking place via Movie and TV show plots, 'silly' stories about celebrity pets, popular Youtube memes etc etc.

I'm conscious that I've been reading these posts for some time now and anyone coming to them for the first time may just find their head spinning. So let me know if I can clarify in any way :)

[Billy]

Jonathan Pie. (Controversial TV presenter) shares his take on Afghanistan.
Warning. Jonathan uses extreme language in his presentation.

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[Delight]

Call me suspicious - but it looks to me like the Taliban have been armed by the scheming Globalist Elite - via the Biden Administration's withdrawal arrangements.... but it's been made to look like ... whoops a bit of a boo boo... similar to the way the 'rebels' in Syria were armed but.... whoops..... the weapons ended up in the hands of ISIS..


Duuhh! And I mean no disrespect. Or maybe I've gone too far from mere suspicion to paranoia. Obviously everyone visible in the US government and military was told what to do, and to then stand down. They did as told. We see the results. The power structure on the other side of the world (from me, in the US) is changing overnight. Some scumbag so-called elite who may even be reading these words wanted that change in power structure, and they wanted the new structure to benefit from the wealth of the US. Was the US blackmailed by the hidden forces? Told to obey or face worse consequences?

A second motive might be that the orchestrator of these events wants to direct the US public's attention away from vaccines, etc. If there is an enormous bloodbath in Afghanistan as is inevitable, the US mainstream media is going to be pushing the atrocities into everyone's face to encourage them, US citizens, to not only forget about vaccine hysteria, but to hate whomever the PTB's want to be hated, for their sick purposes. And considering the brutality that has already begun, there will be much hatred building up. Who might the author of this abomination wish to target with that stored public anger?

From the many threads that have pulled together since 2020, Biden's "team" would certainly have done JUST WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING. In Australia right now, apparently the plan to lock in everyone is well underway. In the US, we have the Biden border rupture, we have the FDA about to approve the Pfizer shot, mandates underway for the poison jab, better and more pervasive censure and censor of all the REAL science.....

This is a TERRIBLE moment. I feel sick because I see DEATH all around and no one to lead. I feel sick because I know there is something beyond "this" place but this place is like a hell and I know as have so many others said: "It did not have to be this way".

The mantra in my head for weeks has been "Enough is Enough" and it seems worse all the time. I am praying for all who are fearing for their lives. IMO we should ALL be acting as if the gun is pointed at our most loved one.

I just wonder why the talking heads parrot the narrative, as if Biden was the elected president. Having Kamala replace him will make no difference for the take down.....

[helium]

From the many threads that have pulled together since 2020, Biden's "team" would certainly have done JUST WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING. In Australia right now, apparently the plan to lock in everyone is well underway. In the US, we have the Biden border rupture, we have the FDA about to approve the Pfizer shot, mandates underway for the poison jab, better and more pervasive censure and censor of all the REAL science.....

This is a TERRIBLE moment. I feel sick because I see DEATH all around and no one to lead. I feel sick because I know there is something beyond "this" place but this place is like a hell and I know as have so many others said: "It did not have to be this way".

The mantra in my head for weeks has been "Enough is Enough" and it seems worse all the time. I am praying for all who are fearing for their lives. IMO we should ALL be acting as if the gun is pointed at our most loved one.

I just wonder why the talking heads parrot the narrative, as if Biden was the elected president. Having Kamala replace him will make no difference for the take down.....

I'd like to nominate the above quote for the 'Quintessential Lament' contest. I think the quote says it all. I only wish I had a handy solution to the problem. I don't, so I'll make those words mine as well. No, things didn't have to be this way.

I'm still wondering how the hidden persuaders will attempt to direct the public outrage that will only grow exponentially in days and weeks to come. Efforts will be made to manipulate the anger. Maybe Cliffy will know (Clif High). We love you, Clif.

[Billy]

Former British soldier destroys official Afghanistan narrative.

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[DouglasDanger]

It will not be hard to turn the Taliban against China as China has imprisoned and enslaved Islamic worshipers, there may be a bigger play at work along with embarrassing the Biden/USA's regime.

[ExomatrixTV]

Afghanistan: Planned Disaster? | Beyond the Cover:

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There is no question that the way America’s withdrawal from Afghanistan was executed was an absolute disaster and an embarrassment for the United States. But how could the policymakers and top brass behind the withdrawal have blundered so badly? Or was there more to the debacle than meets the eye? That’s the question raised by the September 20, 2021 “Afghanistan: Planned Disaster?” issue of The New American. In this episode of “Beyond the Cover,” Gary Benoit interviews TNA Senior Editor William F. Jasper, who answers that question in the affirmative and explains why. Mr. Jasper wrote “Deep State Generals and the Afghan Debacle,” the final of three articles on the general subject of the Afghanistan tragedy in the September 20 issue. To watch the full video, visit thenewamerican.com/video/beyond-the-cover/ (http://thenewamerican.com/video/beyond-the-cover/)