How to discredit the fact checkers?

[syrwong]

A friend argued with almost the whole group in his wechat after posting Martin's speech in a hearing. They cited fact checker's debunking of his "conspiracy theory'.

The TPTB have the control of the MSM, and the fact checks to debunk the alternative views. They have been quite successfully at this. The true alternative groups have been under vicious attacks. They are like rebels against a very big evil empire which has all the propaganda. It is apparent that the rebels need their own propaganda machine to counterattack. As I suggested in another thread, the propaganda in forms of articles and videos have to be short and powerful because the target audience are the brained washed people who have short attention span.

Now as an exercise, what are the good propaganda to fight the fact checkers beyond my first impression "who fact-check the fact-checkers?"

[palehorse]

almost all the fact checkers are owned by the establishment, if I am not wrong there is a thread about that, I have to check again.


[update]


both threads created by John (Exomatrix)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110750-Proof-Fact-Checkers-Are-Misleading-You

and here

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111675-Fact-Check-Progressive-Hero-Margaret-Sanger-Was-a-Racist-Eugenicist

[ExomatrixTV]

For believers proof is not necessary ... for non-believers proof is never good enough or "impossible" ... Both believers & non-believers suk! ... Because they want everything to be spoon-fed to them! ... It takes more effort to go beyond the conditioning (for or against).

I avoid the use of the word "believe" for a very good reason ... I rather consider ... or I know ... or I am aware ... or I have experienced ... etc. etc. ... (believe systems often begs to be corrected) ... the moment some one asks you: "Do you beLIEve?" it is a MIND TRAP to lure you in to assuming that there is "nothing" to know or to experience.

Am not seeking agreement ... nor the opposite ... as long as I stay in my own integrity and self-honesty ... we all have to deal with (partial altered) perceptions ... with many assumptions that are based upon what has been spoon-fed to all of us in a certain way ... Letting go of the "need for agreement" is very liberating and still respecting other points of view! ... Nobody has "all the right answers" and nobody has all the "wrong answers" either. There a lot people who want to control the narrative fanatically (left & right). This extreme need to force one-sided thinking is often a sign of severe insecurity.

Just say he can start with studying this:

🌐 tinyurl.com/FactCheckersLie (http://tinyurl.com/FactCheckersLie)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Fb-Fact-Check-Lies (http://tinyurl.com/Fb-Fact-Check-Lies)
🌐 tinyurl.com/CheckFactCheckers (http://tinyurl.com/CheckFactCheckers)
🌐 tinyurl.com/PolitiFactCheckFails (http://tinyurl.com/PolitiFactCheckFails)
🌐 tinyurl.com/FactCheckers-Scandal (http://tinyurl.com/FactCheckers-Scandal)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Denzel-on-Fake-News (http://tinyurl.com/Denzel-on-Fake-News)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Fact-Checkers-Debunked (http://tinyurl.com/Fact-Checkers-Debunked)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Politicized-Fact-Checkers (http://tinyurl.com/Politicized-Fact-Checkers)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Deceptive-Fact-Checkers (http://tinyurl.com/Deceptive-Fact-Checkers)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Dishonest-Fact-Checkers (http://tinyurl.com/Dishonest-Fact-Checkers)
🌐 tinyurl.com/5G-FactCheck-Debunked (http://tinyurl.com/5G-FactCheck-Debunked)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Who-Fact-Checks-Snopes (http://tinyurl.com/Who-Fact-Checks-Snopes)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Hilarious-FactCheck-Satire (http://tinyurl.com/Hilarious-FactCheck-Satire)
🌐 tinyurl.com/TimPool-vs-FactCheckers (https://tinyurl.com/TimPool-vs-FactCheckers)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Facts-About-Fact-Checkers (http://tinyurl.com/Facts-About-Fact-Checkers)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Tired-of-Fake-Fact-Checkers (http://tinyurl.com/Tired-of-Fake-Fact-Checkers)
🌐 tinyurl.com/FactCheckers-Misleading-You (http://tinyurl.com/FactCheckers-Misleading-You)
🌐 tinyurl.com/China-Funds-Fb-Fact-Checker (http://tinyurl.com/China-Funds-Fb-Fact-Checker)
🌐 tinyurl.com/FactCheck-Vaccines-Bill-Gates (http://tinyurl.com/FactCheck-Vaccines-Bill-Gates)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Lawsuit-German-FactCheckers (http://tinyurl.com/Lawsuit-German-FactCheckers)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Birdwatch-FactChecking-Scam (http://tinyurl.com/Birdwatch-FactChecking-Scam)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Fb-Fact-Checker-Scam-Exposed (http://tinyurl.com/Fb-Fact-Checker-Scam-Exposed)
🌐 tinyurl.com/Lawsuit-Against-Fb-FactChecker (http://tinyurl.com/Lawsuit-Against-Fb-FactChecker)
🌐 tinyurl.com/FactCheckers-Deceptive-Framing (http://tinyurl.com/FactCheckers-Deceptive-Framing)
🌐 tinyurl.com/FactChecking-Fake-Stream-Media (http://tinyurl.com/FactChecking-Fake-Stream-Media)
🌐 tinyurl.com/FactChecking-LouderWithCrowder (http://tinyurl.com/FactChecking-LouderWithCrowder)
🌐 tinyurl.com/CandaceOwens-Sues-FactCheckers (http://tinyurl.com/CandaceOwens-Sues-FactCheckers)


[pseudo skeptic quote]: John you are a "Conspiracy Nut" [unquote]

~my response:

Yeah it “must” be total nuts that we have laws to put people in prison (jail) for conspiring … totally nuts is that … what were they thinking? … When two or more people prepare to commit a crime or to do harm is totally “science fiction” … the lawmakers must also be “conspiracy nuts” then.

Conspiracy Researchers studies Proven Conspiracy Facts and sometimes have “Theories” about KNOWN liars mixed with hard evidence of corruption, colluding, deceptions etc. … To label some one “Conspiracy Theorists” is to FALSELY ASSUME that some one ‘only’ cooks up “theories”.

This desperate need to control the narrative by MSM is part of mass dumbing down of a nation! Look up the word “Conspiracy” in any (LAW) Dictionary … then ask yourself is that “science fiction”? … When 2 or more people prepare to commit a crime or to do harm is that so “far fetched” … what MSM tries to do is you to be associated with certain people that are FAR from being a true researchers or being an honest conspiracy analyst.

The reason MSM never can share an honest representation of that what they attack is because they assume most will not verify their own sold claims & judgemental assumptions to them! So they count on you being lazy!

Ask any police officer if they are allowed to have a theory when they investigating a possible crime … just ask them please … Then you will realize how stupid the framing really is.

TV Series like: “Inspector Columbo” (Peter Falk) would be pretty BORING if he was not allowed to have several theories when he is investigating a possible crime(s) and/or criminal suspect(s). You see they DEMONIZE any critical thinking exposing Government Puppet Politicians, Corrupted Mainstream Media, Hijacked “Protecting Agencies”, Big Pharma Mafia, Banksters with their Giant Fiat Money Pyramid Ponzi Scheme etc.

https://i.imgflip.com/28g5q4.jpg

There is nothing wrong having theories ... but it will get wrong (really bad) when MSM get never get a "fact check" when they spew theories & (rigged) "computer models" / 'predicting the future' scare monger tactics 24/7 ... When we occasionally do it, they falsely assume it is meant as "absolute" or "only one way of thinking" like as if it is a fact.

So they first FRAME us (using straw-man argument tactics) then claim we are "spreading misleading/deceptive" information that can have consequences for their #Agenda2030 "Global Governance" plans ... But when they (msm) have theories, it will be treated as such by "fact checkers sites" leaving them alone as the theories HELPS to push their agenda when they are NOT openly challenged!

Meanwhile they are the ones using obvious misleading/deceptive framing techniques to silence any form of real opposition/resistance.

cheers.
John Kuhles

[happyuk]

A friend argued with almost the whole group in his wechat after posting Martin's speech in a hearing. They cited fact checker's debunking of his "conspiracy theory'.

The TPTB have the control of the MSM, and the fact checks to debunk the alternative views. They have been quite successfully at this. The true alternative groups have been under vicious attacks. They are like rebels against a very big evil empire which has all the propaganda. It is apparent that the rebels need their own propaganda machine to counterattack. As I suggested in another thread, the propaganda in forms of articles and videos have to be short and powerful because the target audience are the brained washed people who have short attention span.

Now as an exercise, what are the good propaganda to fight the fact checkers beyond my first impression "who fact-check the fact-checkers?"

Pretty much anything censored by the mainstream media is true.
It's that simple.
Censorship is there to make sure the truth doesn't catch the lie.
Nobody is scared of a truth overtaking a lie, so that's why censorship exists.


When you tear out a mans tongue you are not proving him a liar you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say George R. R. Martin

[ExomatrixTV]

Predicting future correctly = "just conspiracy theories" thus ignored, when incorrectly it gets media attention.

The only difference between a conspiracy theory and reality is about six months.
Being biased defending lies is encouraged. Being biased challenging the lies meets all kinds of censorship.
We all live in a scenario now that if you had foreseen it a year ago you are labeled: "fake news" & punished for being correct!

Those are some of my quotes. :typing:

cheers,
John Kuhles

[Gracy]

The TPTB have the control of the MSM, and the fact checks to debunk the alternative views. They have been quite successfully at this. The true alternative groups have been under vicious attacks. They are like rebels against a very big evil empire which has all the propaganda.

Well first off, I reckon it needs to be well understood that just because mainstream media is full of chit up to its eyebrows, doesn't equate to alternative media being a bastion of truth. Both are fraught with (mis) - information, (dis) - information, carpet baggers, shock jocks, etc.

It all adds up to mine fields of rabbit holes to try and navigate in one's quest for bits of truth about this world, and the one thing alternative media does have going for it is those bits are out laying about ready for discovery, but don't think for one second that those tending to very successful long term operations like "Mockingbird", don't have their flags planted deeply in both worlds.

Why wouldn't they?

[ExomatrixTV]

How to discredit the fact checkers?

better wording would be:

How to debunk (corrupt) fact checkers.

[samsdice]

Little lies are hard to conceal, Big lies are easy to conceal because of public incredulity - Marshall Mcluhan

[betoobig]

If we are talking specificaly about Facebook´s factcheckers there´s a way to avoid them. First share what you want in telegram and from there link it to FB, easy. Much love

[syrwong]

It is not easy to find a short and strong article debunking the fact-checkers. Here is a 5 min one that is good. Good because it relates many fact checkers with a bad guy.

www.realclearinvestigations.com /articles/2020/08/04/factcheck_sidebar_factcheck_sidebar_factcheck_sidebar_factcheck_sidebar__124710.html

Facebook's Fact-Check Board Gets a Lot of 'Likes' From Soros
Sharyl Attkisson, RealClearInvestigations9-11 minutes 2021/5/7
(Mandel Ngan/Pool via AP)

Above, Mark Zuckerberg gets a remote congressional grilling last week.
By Sharyl Attkisson, RealClearInvestigations
August 4, 2020
In announcing the formation of an independent oversight board with authority to allow or remove content from Facebook and Instagram, the board’s four co-chairs stressed the body’s diversity.



The progressive organization, heavily represented on Facebook's oversight board, says Soros has given away more than $32 billion of his personal fortune to fund its work around the world.

“The board members come from different professional, cultural and religious backgrounds and have various political viewpoints,” they wrote in a New York Times op-ed on May 6. “Some of us have been publicly critical of Facebook; some of us haven’t.”

Contemporaneous news articles reinforced this message, reporting that the board’s ideologically and geographically diverse members criss-cross the ideological spectrum.

A closer look, however, reveals that 18 of its 20 members collaborated with or are tied to groups that have received funding from George Soros’ Open Society Foundations – which is one of the most well-funded and influential progressive organizations in the country.

Open Society’s reach is so vast that simply receiving support from the institution is not a proxy for political leanings – one member has received support from Soros and the Charles Koch Foundation. But the fact that 90% of the board’s members have ties to that progressive group raises questions in an environment where conservatives complain about big-tech bias and internet censorship.

Main Story: Troubling Fact Is Media Fact-Checkers Tend to Lean Left
Here’s a list of the oversight board’s members:

Afia Asantewaa Asare-Kyei: A program manager at Soros’ Open Society Foundations in West Africa.
Evelyn Aswad (University of Oklahoma): U.S. law professor. Recipient of a grant from Knight Foundation, which has partnered with Soros’ Open Society Foundations. Aswad says corporations should align their “speech codes with international human rights law” and be guided by “international law on freedom of expression.”
Endy Bayuni: Jakarta Post editor. On the board of the Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict in Jakarta, headed by a “George Soros visiting practitioner chair” who previously worked at a Soros-founded group.
Catalina Botero-Marino (co-chair): Dean of a Colombian law school that received $1.3 million over two years from Soros’ Open Society Foundations. Serves on an expert panel of Inter-American Dialogue, funded in part by Soros’ Open Society Foundations. Also serves as an expert for Columbia University’s Global Freedom of Expression Project, funded in part by Open Society Foundations. Served as a board member of Article 19, which received $1.7 million from Open Society Foundations over two years.
Katherine Chen: Academic professor, journalist. Often retweets material critical of Donald Trump and supportive of Barack Obama.
Nighat Dad: Founder and executive director of the Digital Rights Foundation, which receives money from Soros’ Open Society Foundations, and is a project of Artists at Risk Connection, a project of Pen America, which is sponsored in part by Soros’ Open Society Foundations. Served on the board of the Soros-funded Dangerous Speech Project. Adviser on Amnesty International’s Technology and Human Rights Counsel, funded in part by Soros’ Open Society Foundations.


Jamal Greene: Anti-Trump on his Twitter account.

Jamal Greene (co-chair): Columbia University law school professor. (The Soros family and Foundations are well known funders of and partners with Columbia.) Recently served as aide to California Sen. Kamala Harris, who counts Soros among her donors. His Twitter account shows that he has sided firmly against President Trump.
Pamela Karlan: Stanford University Law professor. Member of the Soros founded and funded American Constitution Society, which takes a “progressive” view of the U.S. Constitution. Supported Trump impeachment of and has contributed to Democratic candidates, including Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren.
Tawakkol Karman: Her organization, “Women Journalists Without Chains,” receives funds from Soros’ Open Society Foundations. She serves on the advisory council of Transparency International, which also receives funds from Soros’ group.
Maina Kiai: Director of Human Rights Watch’s Alliances and Partnerships Initiative, which received $100 million from Open Society Foundations. She was founding leader of the Kenya Human Rights Commission, which received $615,000 from Soros over two years.
Sudhir Krishnaswamy: Law school vice chancellor. Co-founder of progressive nonprofit Centre for Law and Policy Research, which receives major funding from Soros-funded Center for Reproductive Rights, and the lesbian rights group Astrea; editor of the International Journal of Communications Law & Policy (IJCLP), which received grants from Open Society Foundations. Also connected to the Soros-supported Committee on Global Thought at Columbia University.
Ronaldo Lemos: Brazilian law professor. Co-founder of the Soros-supported Institute for Technology and Society. Serves on the board of the Open Society-funded Mozilla Foundation. Was board member at Soros-funded Access Now.
Michael McConnell (co-chair): Stanford University law professor. Head of the Constitutional Law Center, funded by the Soros Open Society Foundations-funded American Constitution Society.
Julie Owono (Stanford University, Harvard University): Head of Internet Sans Frontieres, a member of the Soros-funded Global Network Initiative.
Emi Palmor: Former head of the Israeli Ministry of Justice.
Alan Rusbridger: Former editor in chief of The Guardian. On board of the Open Society Foundations-funded Committee to Protect Journalists.
Andas Sajo: Professor. One of the founders of Soros’ Central European University. Formerly on board of Soros’ Open Society Justice Initiative in New York. Former judge of European Court of Human Rights, criticized for its alleged conflicts of interests and Soros ties. (An investigation found that nearly all the judges on the court received funding from Soros’ Open Society Foundations.)


Helle Thorning-Schmidt: Socialist former Danish prime minister.

John Samples: Founder of Libertarian Cato Institute’s Center for Representative Government. Cato opposes Trump’s positions on illegal immigration and sees eye to eye on the issue with Soros, who has contributed to Cato through Open Society Foundations. Cato is also funded by Google, the Ford Foundation, and the libertarian Koch interests, who also favor more open borders.
Nicolas Suzor: Law professor at Queensland University of Technology, which collaborated and co-funded projects with Soros’ Open Society Foundations.
Helle Thorning-Schmidt (co-chair): Denmark’s socialist former prime minister who advocates “rethinking” democracy. On board of the Open Society Foundations-funded European Council of Foreign Relations. Trustee at the Open Society Foundations-funded International Crisis Group where George and Alexander Soros sit on the board. Advisory board member of Open Society Foundations-funded Atlantic Council. Also sits on the Atlantic Council’s International Advisory Board, which received approximately $325,000 from the Open Society Foundations-funded Center for Global Development.
Facebook did not respond to an emailed request for an interview with CEO Mark Zuckerberg or a representative.