Coffee and the Third Eye. Why I quit coffee

[Dorjezigzag]

So I recently gave up Coffee which has proved to be a really beneficial decision for me. Actually giving me more energy and clarity. I've made a video of some of the research I did that led to my decision.

Here is the link to the South Korean Study.
https://academic.oup.com/sleep/article/41/10/zsy127/5053876

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[Jim_Duyer]

Did you suffer from withdrawal for a few days or more? I tried quitting coffee once and the headaches were terrible.

[Dorjezigzag]

Did you suffer from withdrawal for a few days or more? I tried quitting coffee once and the headaches were terrible.

Yes, it was horrendous not just a headache but all over body aches that were quite severe. Worse is over after 1-2 weeks but still some withdrawals after a month. The fact withdrawal is so severe shows the massive effects that coffee has on the body, mind and ultimately spirit.

I really am so pleased I got off it as I feel so much better for it.

[Savannah]

I quit drinking coffee for months in my thirties because I was pregnant and felt it could be unhealthy. I experienced all those withdrawal symptoms. However I went back because I couldn't focus well and felt mentally scattered. I don't think I have ADD but those with ADD experience improved focus from stimulants. Many healers recommend coffee enemas for detoxing but also don't recommenced drinking it. The way things are going now we probably wont have coffee around much longer anyway.

[Mike]

Good for you Dorj. Quitting coffee is no easy task. Congrats on that.

I quit because I had to, not because I wanted to. My heart no longer tolerates it. But honestly I'd likely still be drinking it if I could. I just love the taste, the ritual, and the wonderful buzz of course. But overall I'm glad to be done with it.

There was a time when i would have questioned the meaning of life without coffee. I used to drink oceans of it. But it's just like cigarettes or booze or any other drug in the sense that I felt I required it to fully express myself. I needed it to feel confident and at ease. And I hated that dependence. I hated that weakness. That sense of needing something outside myself to function properly left me feeling mentally and spiritually impotent in some way. I've been off it for 15 years now. The ideas and thoughts still come, but they come a little slower. Now I drink Teecino, which is a lovely coffee alternative. It's rich and bold like coffee but without the caffeine. Highly recommend it

[Kryztian]

Twenty five years ago I gave up coffee for tea. Last year, I gave up tea, too. Just drinking herb teas. My digestion, my nervous system feel better from not having all that acid in me. Both mood and energy level are much more stable. I have a huge selection of herbs to boil and drink and they are loaded with all sorts of plant chemicals. And from an enjoyment level, I enjoy the selection of flavors and smells much more than the same tired boring smell of coffee or tea.

[avid]

Mike, coffee was always an ‘emetic’ for me, smelled lovely, tasted interesting, but within minutes of ingestion a mad trip-to-the-loo!!!
Could never understand the attraction, breath smelled, and just because it was ‘trendy’ I hated it. My Mum used to make it with half hot milk, eeuuwww, tasted ‘claggy’, so can’t understand this phrenetic sales push of silly-named coffee drinks at exorbitant prices, where celebs have to be pictured carrying a takeaway cup of whatever. Do they get the runs/coffee breath?
A ginormous con, just like other ginormous cons that benefit corporations.
My wee local town is advertising a new Costa - why? We don’t need it, plenty of small local cafeterias who need local business. Bored by pushy corporate takeovers, hope the local planning will not be given ‘sweeteners’ to accept… 🙄🙄

[wondering]

Mike, Thanks for the Teecino tip - I ordered the sampler. I am addicted to both caffeine and sugar, I am sorry to say. Maybe I can get started on letting one of them go. It's good to hear everyone's experiences. I know my heart would like less stimulant.

[Mike]

Mike, coffee was always an ‘emetic’ for me, smelled lovely, tasted interesting, but within minutes of ingestion a mad trip-to-the-loo!!!
Could never understand the attraction, breath smelled, and just because it was ‘trendy’ I hated it. My Mum used to make it with half hot milk, eeuuwww, tasted ‘claggy’, so can’t understand this phrenetic sales push of silly-named coffee drinks at exorbitant prices, where celebs have to be pictured carrying a takeaway cup of whatever. Do they get the runs/coffee breath?
A ginormous con, just like other ginormous cons that benefit corporations.
My wee local town is advertising a new Costa - why? We don’t need it, plenty of small local cafeterias who need local business. Bored by pushy corporate takeovers, hope the local planning will not be given ‘sweeteners’ to accept… 🙄🙄


Oh yeah it is a natural laxative!:) It never sent me running to the bathroom though. It just kept me regular

I initially did not like coffee. No amount of trendiness would convince me to take a sip. I only developed a taste for it later, in my mid 20's maybe.. Plus it was a wonderful revelation for a guy like me who had suffered debilitating fatigue for so long.

The celeb/coffee photo op thing annoys me too! Every time I see those pics I wanna run up and smack the coffee cup out of their hands:bigsmile:. It's always the same pic too. Usually a couple, disheveled, wearing very trendy clothes but in a very sloppy way, sunglasses...emerging from their L.A. bungalow in the middle of the afternoon, appearing as tho they've just woken up. Same thing, every time

[Dorjezigzag]

I quit drinking coffee for months in my thirties because I was pregnant and felt it could be unhealthy. I experienced all those withdrawal symptoms. However I went back because I couldn't focus well and felt mentally scattered. I don't think I have ADD but those with ADD experience improved focus from stimulants. Many healers recommend coffee enemas for detoxing but also don't recommenced drinking it. The way things are going now we probably wont have coffee around much longer anyway.

Yes, Unlike our coffee choices, it's not a totally black and white situation.

As I discussed in the video there are some positives that some find from Coffee and depending on one's Physiology this can vary from person to person. I actually find I am less scattered now.

Yoga and meditation, although sometimes it has been more of an effort to motivate myself is ultimately far more energised and in the flow. Dreams have been more vivid.

With all the supply line problems yes I would not be surprised if coffee supply suffers at some point. I'm finding myself more and more removing things from my diet. Where as before I may have been looking for what new supplement can I add, I'm now more focused in what I can remove from my diet to improve wellness.

I think the experience of fasting, which I know many on this forum value, can highlight the benefits of less.

[Mike]

Hey Dorj is that your voice in the video? If it is, you have a fantastic voice man! I could listen to you reading the phonebook (remember phonebooks? Lol)

[Dorjezigzag]

Hey Dorj is that your voice in the video? If it is, you have a fantastic voice man! I could listen to you reading the phonebook (remember phonebooks? Lol)

Well thanks for that Mike, yes it's my voice. Not sure we had audio phonebooks in the Uk, imagine being that person that had to read everything in the phonebook!

[Journeyman]

So I recently gave up Coffee which has proved to be a really beneficial decision for me. Actually giving me more energy and clarity. I've made a video of some of the research I did that led to my decision.

Here is the link to the South Korean Study.
https://academic.oup.com/sleep/article/41/10/zsy127/5053876

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I no longer drink or smoke, so what do I do?

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I do coffee :(

I had seen the pineal gland study and a little while ago on a discussion thread I saw someone posting that coffee actually ripped the ethereal body. It reminded me of watching a documentary talking to one of the merry prankster survivors of the magic bus tour from the summer of love. Having done every drug imaginable in likely unimaginable quantities he said very unironically that the worst of the lot of them was caffeine.

Sadly for me, one of the real pleasures that I have now is a large espresso to start the day. I don't have much if any after that and recently I quit for awhile just to stamp the addiction on the head but I'm back drinking it now and frankly really enjoying the whole process. I do have decaf as well, but if its the flavinoids that are to blame I guess that wouldn't help either.

Not that we should be surprised. Probably the same people pushing fluoride or mercury fillings are behind this and they clearly mean us no good:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AxoUY1H4e-E/Vt3FenHfWBI/AAAAAAAAA9Y/IS56t2S8ww4/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2016-03-07%2Bat%2B1.16.00%2BPM.png

I do really like coffee though. :(

[Savannah]

Hey Dorj is that your voice in the video? If it is, you have a fantastic voice man! I could listen to you reading the phonebook (remember phonebooks? Lol)

Yes, forgot to say great video

[tendril]

Greetings Dorjezigzag,

Great name! btw.
Your video is the first I have see of your work and I feel that you've created excellent content. Thank you for sharing your work here.

I don't know if you are actually looking for others experiences in quitting coffee. I hope that you are. This is what I have to add on the matter.

I stopped drinking coffee totally all at once. I think it's the only way. But that's me.

I like other's have said perviously, I began later in young life early 20's because of need really, not because I was attracted to it. In fact, yuck. And never black, at first.

But boy-howdy did it strike me hard when I heard myself on coffee. A number of years ago at this point was The day I stopped. I was with my spouse and we were in a Whole Foods for breakfast, in Atlanta GA. There was nearly no one in the early morning dinning area, and I was bitching at him over who knows what, and I could not stand the sound of my own voice. I had had two sips of the juice. The threw it out right then and told my spouse, Oh I don't need coffee's help to get pissy at you. It was like I heard an echo of all kinds of...nope not for me... and elected to put up with the pain of letting coffee go. Have not looked back on this point. I set my cap and began to detox from it. The strange thing at the time was the waking up in muscle pain agony. This lasted a number of months.

All in all it's not the worst thing I have overcome but it was a dark road for certain. I agree with your corporate conjoint point and think it's an important one to think on. Many years ago mid 1980's I took a trip to Seattle WA, to visit a friend who'd moved up there. It's the only time I have, visited. I went to a number of the new coffee houses which were popping up and around in the region. Oh it was a trip! The old growth forests are something to be experienced... Any how I happened to go into the first Starbucks, on Broadway. What an awful place it was, it had no comfy seating, it was all chrome and shine with a long glass fronted counter, like they all have, and I thought wow, this place sucks, it will never take off nationally.

As an aside, last week I happened to be in a small healing center called Sanctuary, located where I live. The owner was talking to me about all the natural organic things she works to keep ahead of in her business. And one thing she was all on about was her coffee. As mold is a real problem in imported coffee. She has her beans independently lab tested regularly.

I had no idea mold was an issue in coffee. I found that to be another good reason for giving it up.

Best on your success.
tendril

[Dorjezigzag]

Twenty five years ago I gave up coffee for tea. Last year, I gave up tea, too. Just drinking herb teas. My digestion, my nervous system feel better from not having all that acid in me. Both mood and energy level are much more stable. I have a huge selection of herbs to boil and drink and they are loaded with all sorts of plant chemicals. And from an enjoyment level, I enjoy the selection of flavors and smells much more than the same tired boring smell of coffee or tea.

Yes its great to be freed from the coffee obsession, The stinging nettles are seeding at the moment and are everywhere and free which can make a nice tea or be eaten in porridge. Has blood cleaning properties especially useful at this time. Chaga mushrooms I've also found quite rewarding.

[onawah]

When I was in my 30s I used to hang out in a cafe where refills of coffee were free, so I was drinking it more than I do now.
Nowadays, I only drink coffee occasionally, and I only drink organic swiss process decaf now.
I grind the beans myself, always buy them locally, fresh and newly roasted, and I keep them in the freezer for freshness.
(I do enjoy the taste, but I'm more of an organic decaf tea drinker.)
I wonder if, in that study they used organic coffee.
From what I read years ago about coffee production in third world countries (which is where lots of coffee is grown), coffee beans just after picking were often stored in caves in burlap bags, which were then soaked in pesticides to keep bugs, rats and other critters away.
The pesticides rather than the coffee itself might have something to do with the negative test results.
Such tests can be deceptive if they don't specify more details about the foods being tested.
For example foods that are grown organically can yield much different results than commercially grown.

[Dorjezigzag]

When I was in my 30s I used to hang out in a cafe where refills of coffee were free, so I was drinking it more than I do now.
Nowadays, I only drink coffee occasionally, and I only drink organic swiss process decaf now.
I grind the beans myself, always buy them locally, fresh and newly roasted, and I keep them in the freezer for freshness.
(I do enjoy the taste, but I'm more of an organic decaf tea drinker.)
I wonder if, in that study they used organic coffee.
From what I read years ago about coffee production in third world countries (which is where lots of coffee is grown), coffee beans just after picking were often stored in caves in burlap bags, which were then soaked in pesticides to keep bugs, rats and other critters away.
The pesticides rather than the coffee itself might have something to do with the negative test results.
Such tests can be deceptive if they don't specify more details about the foods being tested.
For example foods that are grown organically can yield much different results than commercially grown.

Yes of course pesticides are another attack on our physiology and spirit The study was measuring the size of pineal glands through MMR scans of long term coffee drinkers next to non or infrequent coffee drinkers. I'm sure there was a variety in coffee quality they were drinking. In many ways, the study is not surprising as it is well established that coffee messes with melatonin levels which of course is associated with the pineal gland. Also despite being such a tiny size the pineal gland uses more blood than any other part of the brain and is second only to the kidneys in the whole body. It is no wonder with the reduced blood vessel size through coffee that the reduced blood flow to the thirsty pineal gland will affect its size over time.

[Brigantia]

Thank you Dorj, I've just watched your video and it's just what I needed to hear!

I've spent the last year and a half working until the early hours of the morning, and a 10pm coffee has perked me up and prevented me from falling asleep at the wheel on the way home. However, I've found myself drinking more through the day now so you've spurred me on to cut back, then quit. I'm going back the the (literal) day job soon. I always drank Earl Grey tea (low caffeine and tannin) so I'll look to ease off coffee and stick to EG, fruit tea and water.

I check my BP regularly and that's been in the normal range; might have been even lower without the coffee though...

It was interesting about coffee affecting the blood circulation. Since this change of job the skin of my feet has been a lot drier and it can be painful as a result. I put that down to ageing as a chiropodist told me that as you age, your circulation doesn't work so well in getting blood to the extremities. However, it'll be interesting to see if quitting coffee helps there.

[Dorjezigzag]

I no longer drink or smoke, so what do I do?

Ayahuasca? You wouldn't want to have that every day lol.

Yes there is something about that Starbucks logo. I recently illustrated a children's book and subverted a lot of the corporate products that were in the images. Sort of like a negative product placement.

Here's Starbucks becomes Nobucks.
https://www.bee3.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/rubbish4-copy.jpg

[TomKat]

I drink decaf. I have no addiction. I can skip coffee any day without ill efect. I buy the green beans, swiss water process, and roast them. Taste as good as non-decaf, but no kick.

[prc]

I cannot drink strong (Expresso coffee) it gives me headaches. For those of you who want to quit I would advise to decrease one cup per every two days to avoid the side effects. My mother drunk coffee for her entire life but now cannot drink anymore due to herpes erupting. When I was younger and used to research about meditation and yoga, I found that most Indian Gurus were instructing to quit coffee drinking.

[lilac]

I have no intention of quitting coffee anytime soon. I get your point, because it was this concept that finally convinced me to quit cigarettes after 35 years. I realized that I was creating a cloud between myself and spirit. Also, I admit that my fuse is extra short when I'm coffee'd up. At the same time, I get a lot done. So, I'm happy to still have something to throw overboard later, when I feel it's time to do something disciplined and purifying.

The last time I quit coffee was pretty painless, because I followed this method that I found online - sorry, no idea where. I did not write it, but it worked for me:

When you wake up in the morning the first thing you need to do is have a small glass of water with a teaspoon of vitamin C powder. Follow it with another glass of water.

Next, boil the kettle and have 2 cups of strong, black dandelion root tea.

Fill up a BIG bottle water (approx. 2 litres) add 2 teaspoons vitamin C powder and 2 teaspoons magnesium powder.

You'll want to make sure you drink plenty of the water throughout the day, as much as you can to help support the detox withdrawal. If you need more, fill up another bottle and make sure you add your vitamin C and magnesium to the mix.

Go about your morning as usual, don't let yourself get too hungry and keep drinking that water.

After lunch have another small glass of water with a teaspoon of vitamin C powder. Follow this with a strong, black cup of dandelion root tea.

Keep going about your day, making sure you keep drinking water.

Do the same at dinner with the vitamin C, skip the dandelion and just keep drinking water.

... I would be interested to hear other people's experience with this. Sorry, I have no further info on it, except I remember when I did it, the day passed with very little headache.

[palehorse]

I am a coffee addicted for over 40 years, yes I started drinking coffee when I was a baby, that's was what my father told me when he was still alive. I never ever gave any thoughts about quitting coffee, sure I heard all sort of things about coffee but never went into debate or deep analysis about it.

I will try for a week and see how my body reacts to that. I am using Bacopa Monieri 3x per day (reducing for 2x, the night time is giving me bad time sleeping), I usually drink it with star anise tea for taste, sometimes I am also preparing Reishi and Chaga mushroom tea, but it taste awful and smell even worse, it is not an enjoyable drink.

Thanks for posting.

[Dorjezigzag]

When I was quitting coffee I watched quite a few videos by people that had done the same thing which I found quit useful and inspiring. The reason I made mine was that I didn't see any that focused on the pineal gland (third eye) side of things which was the clincher for me.

Alex becker has made a few videos on quitting coffee, he can come across quite arrogant but there is humour there and I am putting it here because I think he presents a different perspective on it that will be of interest to anyone considering quitting coffee.

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[Sunny-side-up]

One of the things about saying you/we drink coffee is that we drink far toooooo much, one here and there as a stim not so bad.
Same with tobacco, was used in the right way at right time was ok, but not all day and day after day.
But best not to start either of them. tobacco not never.

[Open Minded Dude]

Practical question to all of you: If it's about caffeine in coffee would de-caff (especially if organic) still be an acceptable alternative?

I ask because I saw that all the other exotic coffee alternatives (teccino, mocha, hazelnut, lupines, dandelion,etc.) are quite expensive for me, but de-caff would work financially. I drink it already anyway to reduce my 'normal' coffee/caffeine intake (mostly with a pad machine, yeah, I know, shame on me ...).

So what is your take on just swapping it for 'de-caff' coffee entirely?

[Eva2]

This reminded me of the "spider on drugs" video and how caffeine affected its behavior.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

[Dorjezigzag]

Practical question to all of you: If it's about caffeine in coffee would de-caff (especially if organic) still be an acceptable alternative?

I ask because I saw that all the other exotic coffee alternatives (teccino, mocha, hazelnut, lupines, dandelion,etc.) are quite expensive for me, but de-caff would work financially. I drink it already anyway to reduce my 'normal' coffee/caffeine intake (mostly with a pad machine, yeah, I know, shame on me ...).

So what is your take on just swapping it for 'de-caff' coffee entirely?

If you go for Decafe coffee make sure you go for Swiss water process that does not involve the harmful chemicals and solvents of most Decaffeination methods. For me personally, I have no love for coffee anymore. Like having gone through a painful break-up the thought of going back to this possessive dominatrix holds no appeal even with her fangs removed.

If cost is your concern Nature provides many free options. For instance, Nettles and dandelions are everywhere and it can be fun to prepare your own brews. Although this can be time intensive it is rewarding as it means going out in nature and deepening your understanding and relationships with nature. There are some great videos on youtube regarding the processes.

[leavesoftrees]

Michael Pollan has written about his expereince with giving up coffee in his new book "This is your mind on plants: Opium-Caffeine-Mescaline

Here is an extract on giving up coffee

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/jul/06/caffeine-coffee-tea-invisible-addiction-is-it-time-to-give-up

[AxisMundi]

I'm in the process of giving up. Some interesting musings here.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU0ZtI0JZEg

[Lunesoleil]

I've made a video of some of the research I did that led to my decision.
Thank you for the video and especially the access to the French translation.
What I have learned is that coffee is detrimental to the proper functioning of the tyroid and would be avoided. It is interesting to know that coffee weakens the function of the third eye and that this habit has become a tool of control of the etheric bodies that we can well understand resulting from our life experiences ...
Childhood memories come to the surface and mistakes that were instilled in me in the education I received from my parents. At home, it was café au lait which is still no better.
I also remember the day I got rid of my coffee maker that I no longer used, it certainly coincides with the period when my intuition developed more and more.
There are stages in life where these lifestyle changes are brought about ...

:wizard:

[pueblo]

So, based on the information in this thread I decided to give up caffeine. I am a notorious coffee aficionado and usually drink between 3 and 4 shots of good espresso a day.

I quit 10 days ago and I have to say, having recently given up smoking (for the millionth time), that the withdrawal/detox from quitting coffee is much worse than that from smoking.

I experienced almost continuous headaches for the first 3/4 days, alongside this I developed painful aches and stiffness in my neck and shoulders. The brain fog, which was particularly noticeable in the mornings, lasted for a good 7 days, a general feeling of being a little spaced out, almost like a hangover.

On the plus side, cravings for a good cup of java seem to have totally gone now and I seem to feel 'better' in a way which I can't quite put my finger on. I have been dreaming more, and more lucidly in the last few days.

Something I never thought I would say, but it feels good to be free from the clutches of coffee!!

[tendril]

Something I never thought I would say, but it feels good to be free from the clutches of coffee!!

Hey pueblo!
congrats on the work you have accomplished for yourself!!!:muscle:
It's an uphill climb, to work on letting both go.
I too, found that coffee was tougher on my system to let go of than cigs in the long run.

Wishing you best of luck:star:

tendril

[leavesoftrees]

So, based on the information in this thread I decided to give up caffeine. I am a notorious coffee aficionado and usually drink between 3 and 4 shots of good espresso a day.

I quit 10 days ago and I have to say, having recently given up smoking (for the millionth time), that the withdrawal/detox from quitting coffee is much worse than that from smoking.
!


Good on you for hanging in there. I gave up coffee for a few years back in the 1980s. (I am back drinking it) From experience - very similar to smoking - if you break your resolve and have 1 coffee - then it wont be long till you are back having coffee every day

[Dorjezigzag]

This reminded me of the "spider on drugs" video and how caffeine affected its behavior.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

The above video is of course a parody representing what our stereotypes would think is the effects of coffee and other drugs on spiders.
The reality is a lot more fascinating but probably concerning for some.

https://i.insider.com/5cd94e2a021b4c12a83d1434?width=1200format=jpeg&auto=webp

An article in a 1995 issue of NASA Tech Briefs discussed work done by researchers at Marshall Space Flight Center to see how various substances — including caffeine — affect spider web patterns. See image above

Spiders typically spin webs by producing silk from their silk glands with the help of their spinnerets, which are special organs that allow them to decide what type of thread they need at various points.

The NASA researchers found that the more deformed the web looks compared to a normal web, the more toxic the chemical is.

"It appears that one of the most telling measures of toxicity is a decrease, in comparison with a normal web, of the numbers of completed sides in the cells: the greater the toxicity, the more sides the spider fails to complete," the NASA article said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-powerful-is-caffeine-nasa-spider-web-study-2019-5?fbclid=IwAR0QgkMo8leNG_si1GeWR1_Ior-J9JiyWaW7FzCAAt4lNHgDwHtFvl0k3FA&r=US&IR=T

[pueblo]

I wonder if the effect on the Spirit/Third Eye is due partly to the reduction in fluoride? Black tea is known to be loaded with fluoride and coffee has significant amounts too.

I gave up coffee for 3 months in 2021 and the withdrawals were intense....similar to those described by the OP, low grade headache for 2 weeks, body aches and feeling generally unwell.

I think I may have another go at a more permanent cessation.

[DNA]

I quit coffee and all caffeine a little over a month ago.
So so hard.
I actually picked up smoking for a couple of weeks to help take the edge off.
It's all pretty fresh still but I'm very happy I did it.
Hoping to stay strong and refrain for the duration.
I do feel all around a lot better.

[Casey Claar]

I have a question for everyone. I am just curious. Is there anyone here who ( essentially ) never took up drinking coffee?

[Harmony]

I have a question for everyone. I am just curious. Is there anyone here who ( essentially ) never took up drinking coffee?


Casey, I like the smell of coffee brewing, but I never wanted to drink coffe, it just "told" me not to for some reason.

[Dorjezigzag]

So it’ll be coming up to 2 years that I have quit coffee and I really believe it is one of the best decisions I have made in regards to my health and wellness. Life is a rollercoaster enough on its own without a substance messing with your hormones. So I recommend anyone endeavouring to quit to keep at it.

That’s not to say my life does not still have its ups and downs but I really believe my physical and spiritual health has vastly improved and quitting coffee has played a major role in that.

My decision was partly based on a need to not be too attached or dependant on any substance as we move into these challenging times.

The practice of yoga has evolved as a means to prepare the body to maximise its meditational and spiritual potential and I believe that coffee for me was a boundary in this pursuit.In regards to the fluoride content within coffee and Tea yes this could be part of its detrimental effects on the third eye. The extensive hormonal and cardiovascular effects of coffee of course also play a major part as explained in the video. I always found it interesting that there is a high fluoride content in SSRIs such as Prozac. (https://www.techscience.com/biocell/v43n2/33377) I believe that that the effect of this is to quell the spirit and make one more compliant.

When the individual is experiencing cardiovascular problems a doctor will often recommend quitting coffee due to its effects. I would be interested to see how many people who have experienced cardiovascular problems or death after the covid19 vaccine also drank coffee. The coffee potentially exacerbating the vaccines side effects like a binary weapon.

[Paul D.]

Coincidentally , I gave up coffee 3 or 4 weeks ago . I did it for various reasons . Watching the video however makes me even more glad I have . I didn't know anything about this other onslaught against our pineal glands , fluoride I knew about & take Borax to hopefully de-calcify but coffee !
Anyhow on a more positive note I can report that I have had none of the withdrawal symptoms, headaches & so on ,often reported & it's been easy, I just miss the taste of it , that's all really.
Thanks Paul .

[Ashiris]

I have a question for those who have stopped drinking coffee.
And, Has your third eye opened by now?
Have you received multidimensuional experiences?
Have you become aware of your multidimensional selves in other timelines or probable realities?
Are you traveling astral or traveling dimensionally in other timelines or dimensions?
Have you gained contact with your higher self or others of your soul family?

So I am kind of curious about the result of stopping drinking coffee on the functioning of your third eye.

because:
In fact, I know people who drink a lot of coffee and have multidimensional experiences that the average person doesn't even realize exist.

I know people who have never had a drop of coffee during their lives and are completely stuck in a hypnotized manipulated society and have no awareness that they are more than their bodies.

[Dorjezigzag]

I have a question for those who have stopped drinking coffee.
And, Has your third eye opened by now?
Have you received multidimensuional experiences?
Have you become aware of your multidimensional selves in other timelines or probable realities?
Are you traveling astral or traveling dimensionally in other timelines or dimensions?
Have you gained contact with your higher self or others of your soul family?

So I am kind of curious about the result of stopping drinking coffee on the functioning of your third eye.

because:
In fact, I know people who drink a lot of coffee and have multidimensional experiences that the average person doesn't even realize exist.

I know people who have never had a drop of coffee during their lives and are completely stuck in a hypnotized manipulated society and have no awareness that they are more than their bodies.

It was never claimed on this thread that by stopping drinking coffee it would guarantee spiritual abilities or bring spiritual enlightenment. In fact if you watch the video you will see that I engage in the debate about how some people do partake in the drinking of coffee and believe it benefits them.

The attainment of the abilities in question that you refer to would need a lot more than just quitting coffee. Although for some it may be the difference. Some are naturally born with or develop these abilities while doing everything that they probably shouldn’t. For many the attainment of these abilities takes work, dedication and practice. The quitting of coffee could be a part of this.

I myself spent a large part of my life heavily drinking alcohol and coffee but still have had profound spiritual experiences during those times. Including all of those you mention. Indeed, I believe there is some truth to William Blakes's adage that the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.

I believe I have comprehensively expressed the reason for my views on quitting Coffee and I will present to you further spiritual masters and practitioners who shared my views.

Gurdjieff advised his followers to avoid coffee altogether, as he believed it was a powerful stimulant that interfered with the development of higher consciousness. He reportedly stated that drinking coffee would increase the lower centers of the body and mind, making it more difficult to access higher levels of awareness.

He did sometimes drink coffee himself but this was as a means of grounding which he would very occasionally recommend to those of a similar disposition.

One of Gurdjieff's closest students, P.D. Ouspensky, wrote in his book "In Search of the Miraculous" that Gurdjieff advised against drinking coffee because it interfered with the proper functioning of the centers (psychological and physiological structures within a person's being) and made it harder for a person to develop self-awareness.

Similarly, Jeanne de Salzmann, another one of Gurdjieff's students, wrote in her book "The Reality of Being" that Gurdjieff believed coffee was harmful to spiritual development, as it stimulated the lower centers and made it harder to access the higher centers of the body and mind. She stated that Gurdjieff advised his students to avoid coffee completely.

In Gurdjieff’s book "Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson." In one passage, Beelzebub mentions the "maleficent properties" of coffee and tea, which he says are harmful to the digestive system and can lead to "psychic disorders"

In his book "Alchemy and Kabbalah," Samael Aun Weor briefly mentions coffee in relation to the role of diet in spiritual practice. He notes that a healthy diet is essential for the development of spiritual faculties, and advises against consuming foods and drinks that are harmful to the body and mind, including coffee.
He also mentions coffee in his book "The Revolution of the Dialectic," where he discusses the importance of developing the willpower to overcome the negative influences of society, including addiction to stimulants like coffee.

There are also quotes from spiritual leaders who discourage the use of coffee or other substances that may alter consciousness, as they believe that true spiritual growth can only be achieved through disciplined practices and a clear, unaltered mind.

Here are a few examples of such quotes:

"Coffee clouds the mind and disturbs the senses. It is a hindrance to the clarity and purity required for true spiritual growth." - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, spiritual leader and founder of the Art of Living Foundation.

"Coffee is a stimulant that agitates the nervous system and disturbs the peace of the mind. It is best avoided by those who seek inner peace and spiritual enlightenment." - Swami Sivananda, spiritual teacher and founder of the Divine Life Society.

"Coffee is a false friend to those who seek spiritual growth. It promises energy and clarity, but delivers only agitation and distraction." - Eckhart Tolle, spiritual teacher and author of "The Power of Now."

I find it interesting that the spiritual figures I respect have a negative view of the spiritual effects of coffee and the ones I see as lacking true awareness evangelise about coffee like Ram Dass and Lama Surya Das.

[Ashiris]

Thank you for your answer.

The body consciousness is highly conscious. Most people are simply not conscious of it.

What most people don't realize or don't know is that we can talk (aloud or telepathically) to our body. Our body is as conscious as our spirit.
We, the occupant of this body control this body with our spirit, whether we are conscious of it or not.
If something is not right in our body, we can also ask our Higher Self for advice on what to do to improve the physical condition. However, most people have no idea that there is such a thing as a Higher Self and think they are their body and dependent on dangerous factors.

Everything in our body and consciousness belongs to us. Every person has the right to command the authority, of every function of the body, to be directed only by the inhabitant of that body

Each of the atoms and molecules that composed our body has its own reality in sound values that we do not hear physically. Each organ of our body then has its own unique sound value too. When there is something wrong,the inner sounds are discordant. The inharmonious sounds have become a part of that portion of the body as a result of the inner sound of our own thought-beliefs.

The body loses its direction, it is undermined. The clear channels of communication between mind and body become blocked. Both individually and en masse, sicknesses and indispositions arise from this that are meant to lead you to another reality.
In the New Age it is said that men and women have conscious minds, subconscious minds and unconscious minds – but there is no such thing as an unconscious mind. The body consciousness is highly conscious. People are simply not conscious of it.

What you do create is your experience of your reality.
Our thoughts about our reality create our experience of that reality.

So if you read a book in which someone tells you that coffee is poison and you believe that, you create for yourself that coffee is poison.
It is better to seek answers within yourself instead of taking the beliefs of others for truth. That lives a lot more pleasantly.

Enjoy your creation and have a pleasant life.
And enjoy your coffee:bigsmile:

[Dorjezigzag]

So if you read a book in which someone tells you that coffee is poison and you believe that, you create for yourself that coffee is poison.
It is better to seek answers within yourself instead of taking the beliefs of others for truth. That lives a lot more pleasantly.


I think if you watch my video with a certain degree of consciousness without prejudice and then read all the comments I have made on this thread you will see that I have made my decision about drinking coffee because it is something that I feel and experienced not something that I have read. I present the opinions of others merely to back up what I personally feel. I believe if we are making an argument we should always try to back it up with as much evidence as possible. I was not aware of any of those views of spiritual masters in my previous post when I first quit coffee. Just on what Rudolf Steiner had written as discussed in my original video. If my experiment in quitting coffee led me to feel that I was not in a better place despite my quitting I would go back to it. With the consideration that I believe that we should not be dependant or reliant on any substance as this is attachment and addiction.

If you had seen my post history over the last 10 years you will see that I very much walk my own path and many of my opinions go against the grain and I stand with them.

Do you really think you are in the position to say that my views on coffee are not authentic?

I enjoy my spiritual journey and also my freedom to choose what beverages I chose to partake.

I'll enjoy my water thanks!

and you have your free will as well.

[Dorjezigzag]

This is an interesting article on the third eye that talks about the detrimental effects of coffee.


Attention: caffeine, white sugar, and hours in front of the tv or computer screen can block your third eye. Here we present two effective exercises for opening the sixth chakra. The possible results: phenomenal memory, stopping the flow of thoughts, clairvoyance, and a deep insight into ourselves.

If there is a chakra that has really become famous, it must be the third eye. Situated in the middle of the forehead, the third eye is in charge of the functions of the brain, mind and thought. People that have opened this chakra have a phenomenal capacity for concentration and memory, together with paranormal powers. When this chakra is blocked, the results are agitation, sarcasm, stupidity, and a dullness of the mind.

Third Eye mental commandIn Sanskrit, the third eye is called Ajna, which in English means the “command center,” and, indeed, exactly as the brain manages all the functions of the body, so this chakra administrates all the different levels of the being. A person who is very open at the level of the third eye is almost all the time in a state of lucid vigilance and sharp attention. His eyes are wide open and his vision precise, deep, and profound. His mind is quiet and balanced, and the concentration, like the memory and analytical skills are exceptional. It’s these kinds of people who can study for an exam in a very short time and have an excellent grade.

Their verbal capacities are exceptional, and it’s very difficult to defeat such people in arguments. The eyes are awake and they have a spark of genius. The mental power gives him an exceptional charisma that can fundamentally change the opinions of others.

The state of lucid relaxation opens the third eye, whereas tension and obsessive anxiety dilutes its power. Spiritual practice and study which awakens attention and vigilance, such as learning to play a musical instrument or even juggling, also awakens the third eye. On the other hand, boring occupations and scattered attention make the third eye very dull.

The herbs mint, basil, and ginkgo biloba strengthen and balance the third eye, whereas caffeine, marijuana, and white sugar take it out of balance and even close it. Yoga and meditation practice which resorbs the senses regenerates the energy of the third eye, whereas long time in front of the computer or television screen wear out the third eye.

More of the article The Third Eye: How to Open it
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https://tantrayogathailand.com/third-eye-how-to-open-it/

[Agape]

Some doctors suggest that coffee is natural cleanser and may help to detoxify from other substances and poisons.

Concentration matters 😅

In South India they drink milk coffee at the same pace chai/tea is consumed in North India,
all day beverage but the quantity used is not greater than half spoon of coffee to cup of milk, water and natural sugar.


I also do not particularly understand why do people of today overdose with caffeine to their own harm.
In strong concentrations may cause stomach ulcers or cause heart attack in vulnerable individuals.

Fatalities were reported after consumption of caffeine tablets ( a box of).

But it hugely depends on personal tolerance.


As children we would munch on Vitamin C solvable tablets for example without quoting the amount :)
If our parents tried to do it, they would get allergy reaction.

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[ThePythonicCow]

I used to drink a lot of Coke to power my way through lengthy coding sessions. But there are several toxins, in abundance, and little that's healthy, in Coke. Getting off a high carb diet (of which the high fructose corn syrup in Coke was one part) and onto a Keto variant diet, has been one of the major health improvements in my life.

Now I am back drinking a lot of coffee, perhaps 60 to 100 ounces per day.

However the coffee I drink is not "your average coffee."

I start with fresh ground, mostly de-caf, organic beans and my "special water" (filtered, distilled, remineralized, and re-energized).

I add various powders of non-nutritive sweetener (Xylitol, Erythritol and Allulose mix), cocoa powder, cinnamon spice, lion's mane mushroom, and Vitamin C.

This mix is cold brewed on my counter, using my beloved Jeiotech magnetic stirrer, to speed up and better concentrate the extraction. This same magnetic stirrer plays a vital role, along with some minerals, music, magnets and lights, in re-energizing my "special water".

That cold brew mix is then kept chilled in my refrigerator until consumed, usually within hours.

I mostly drink decaf, starting off the day with decaf, having perhaps one or two mugs of regular caffeinated at the peak of my day (virtual programmer's day, perhaps evening or midnight by any normal person's clock), and then going back to decaf for the rest of the day.

My conclusions so far regarding coffee:

Caffeine should be limited in quantity and to mid-day, and toxic water, sweeteners and non-organic coffees should be avoided.
But coffee otherwise is one good source of flavor and gut microbiome friendly nutrients, when properly prepared.

[Casey Claar]

Just a question. Does anyone ever suspect that like our tobacco we are also lacing coffee beans to make them more addictive?

[Vicus]

Coffee is anti-aging, linked to prevention of dementia and sarcopenia: study
Ellen Wan
The Epoch Times
Tue, 14 May 2024

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As we age, muscle mass gradually declines, and with it, sometimes cognitive function. But recent research suggests drinking coffee may help.

Enjoying a cup of joe can offer more than just a pick-me-up: It has been shown to have numerous health benefits, especially for older people. Research has found that the natural molecule in coffee, trigonelline, can help improve sarcopenia (age-related muscle loss) and maintain muscle function during aging.

Muscle mass and function gradually decline as we age, potentially leading to sarcopenia. This can hinder mobility and even result in dependence and disability. The hallmarks of sarcopenia include a decline in nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+) levels and mitochondrial dysfunction.

Recent Research

A study published in Nature Metabolism in March found that trigonelline is a precursor to NAD+. Increasing the therapeutic dose of trigonelline can raise the levels of NAD+ in the cells of sarcopenia patients. Supplementing trigonelline also enhanced mitochondrial activity, NAD+ levels, and muscle function in aged mice. Furthermore, long-term supplementation of trigonelline significantly increased grip strength in the forelimbs of aged mice.

However, the study also pointed out that sarcopenia is a multifactorial disease, and trigonelline cannot reverse all its causes. It must be combined with other nutrients that help maintain muscle, such as protein, vitamin D, or omega-3 fatty acids.

Nutrition and physical activity are important for older people to maintain healthy muscles. Assistant professor Vincenzo Sorrentino from the Health Longevity Translational Research Program at the National University of Singapore Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, who participated in the study, stated in a press release that this research on trigonelline has increased the potential for achieving healthy longevity and addressing age-related diseases.

Trigonelline is found in plant-based foods such as coffee beans and fenugreek seeds.

A study involving 1,781 older Korean men indicated that coffee consumption was associated with a reduced risk of sarcopenia. Compared to those who drank less than one cup of coffee per day, individuals who drank at least three cups of coffee per day had a significantly lower probability of developing sarcopenia. However, the risk reduction was less pronounced among those who consumed one or two cups of coffee daily.

continue: https://www.sott.net/article/491398-Coffee-is-anti-aging-linked-to-prevention-of-dementia-and-sarcopenia-study

[Dorjezigzag]

"I'm not entirely sure if this quote is accurate, but it’s definitely piqued my interest. I plan to dive deeper into his research and will hopefully be able to share more insights soon!"

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[Dorjezigzag]

So, I did a search on Jason Christoff and found this video. I found it really interesting. The discussion expands on issues that I touched on in my own video, and the interviewer gives a valuable critique of some of Jason Christoff's answers.

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