All politicians are lying to us. Not a single government tells the truth. See what a chief scientist from Pfizer has to say

[Michael Moewes]

https://odysee.com/63ea2999-e75c-48a1-8aa8-bc51c8b76462






Mod note from Bill:
I presume this is Dr Michael Yeadon. But the link is broken, and I can't find the original. Can you edit this post to correct the link? (And then you're welcome to remove this note, as well)



https://odysee.com/@PlanetLockdown:6/Michael-Yeadon-full-interview:8?&sunset=lbrytv&fbclid=IwAR34E12LMXWyQI-bwNjioOLOKXnPdOzCdo_SR6NF_gp--G0vSekT90mxAsY

Thanks Bill. I try to put the link on like this

[Dick]

Here are some links from Michael Yeadon, don’t know if this are the right one.


https://odysee.com/$/search?q=Michael%20yeadon

Oh, don’t know why this link isn’t turning blue?

[Michael Moewes]

https://odysee.com/63ea2999-e75c-48a1-8aa8-bc51c8b76462






Mod note from Bill:
I presume this is Dr Michael Yeadon. But the link is broken, and I can't find the original. Can you edit this post to correct the link? (And then you're welcome to remove this note, as well)



https://odysee.com/@PlanetLockdown:6/Michael-Yeadon-full-interview:8?&sunset=lbrytv&fbclid=IwAR34E12LMXWyQI-bwNjioOLOKXnPdOzCdo_SR6NF_gp--G0vSekT90mxAsY

Thanks Bill. I try to put the link on like this

Yess this link works.
BTW don't get vaccinated. it will not only destroy your immunesystem, but it will also alter your dna

[lizhekb]

Thanks for the information.

I wish more and more people will wake up.

[ExomatrixTV]

What did Rand Paul or Ron Paul lie about?

[Satori]

https://odysee.com/63ea2999-e75c-48a1-8aa8-bc51c8b76462






Mod note from Bill:
I presume this is Dr Michael Yeadon. But the link is broken, and I can't find the original. Can you edit this post to correct the link? (And then you're welcome to remove this note, as well)



https://odysee.com/@PlanetLockdown:6/Michael-Yeadon-full-interview:8?&sunset=lbrytv&fbclid=IwAR34E12LMXWyQI-bwNjioOLOKXnPdOzCdo_SR6NF_gp--G0vSekT90mxAsY

Thanks Bill. I try to put the link on like this

Yess this link works.
BTW don't get vaccinated. it will not only destroy your immunesystem, but it will also alter your dna

Another outstanding presentation by Michael Yeadon. He hits all the relevant major points.

But, alas, as he says: he’s preaching to the choir. Those who really need to hear and understand what he’s saying won’t, and those who do hear it, already understand and don’t need to hear it again.

[Mashika]

What did Rand Paul or Ron Paul lie about?

They still work under the same framework of what is true and what is false, the only source of truth they have is "our way or the highway" even if whoever does good things, all those good things are done within the framework's rules

And if the rules say it's good that some people may die "for the greater good" then that's the truth and that's acceptable "it's the God given law" that they execute

If you go outside this "framework of reality" that was established very solidly decades/centuries ago, then you may find the need to shoot yourself on the back of your head 3 times, as a contortionist, and no one will blink an eye about it

[ExomatrixTV]

What did Rand Paul or Ron Paul lie about?

They still work under the same framework of what is true and what is false, the only source of truth they have is "our way or the highway" even if whoever does good things, all those good things are done within the framework's rules

And if the rules say it's good that some people may die "for the greater good" then that's the truth and that's acceptable "it's the God given law" that they execute

If you go outside this "framework of reality" that was established very solidly decades/centuries ago, then you may find the need to shoot yourself on the back of your head 3 times, as a contortionist, and no one will blink an eye about it


Please give me 1 real lie example from Rand Paul or Ron Paul ... if you can not give me any ... generalizing without mentioning the exceptions is not okay in my book! ... This is a very slippery slope (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope).

[Mashika]

What did Rand Paul or Ron Paul lie about?

They still work under the same framework of what is true and what is false, the only source of truth they have is "our way or the highway" even if whoever does good things, all those good things are done within the framework's rules

And if the rules say it's good that some people may die "for the greater good" then that's the truth and that's acceptable "it's the God given law" that they execute

If you go outside this "framework of reality" that was established very solidly decades/centuries ago, then you may find the need to shoot yourself on the back of your head 3 times, as a contortionist, and no one will blink an eye about it


Please give me 1 real lie example from Rand Paul or Ron Paul ... if you can not give me any ... generalizing without mentioning the exceptions is not okay in my book! ... This is a very slippery slope (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope).

No, one thing is not like the other

They still work under the same framework of what 'true' means, the scope has to be greater than the small details, you are looking at this from the bottom to top view

Rand Paul claimed that the Covid-19 virus originated on a lab in China, but there is no true clear evidence of that. There is proof that there were experiments being done at that place, but "A correlation between two variables does not imply causation". Which is something i have started to notice most people don't get

He actually had to backtrack on that, because it was not "true"

And again, if you are going to look into the entire thing from bottom-up, then we can say that the pond where all the fish live, is the entire world, because that's all they can see and experience. If only those fishes would grow legs and step outside...

What's the scope of international, global events? Is surely not what happens in your city only, or what the person you like and agree with said, look at them all from above, or otherwise your are so immersed into their bs that you can't see what truly goes on

And i'm sorry but i'm not dumb, i don't care for the small details, or nitpicking. That's for layman.

We can do better than that. Let's look for the bigger picture and context in which everything is happening

ETA:

When i joined Avalon, you were one of the first persons to reply to me, and said something i liked much

I think i said something like "I feel this is not xxxx"

And you said back

"Your feelings about xxx are not important, hard facts are" or something on those lines

And yes, "thinking or feeling" that something happened because of the evidence you can see, doesn't mean it truly happened that way. And being very absurdly assertive about your "belief" while not having real hard facts to back the claims, is NOT how things are done

So yeah, he lied based on his own beliefs and then had to backtrack on that, because it was not possible to prove his claims

And again, that's all layman talk, the real game is played on a higher scope than that. And i'm not truly interested in discussing the petty details anymore, i look for the bigger picture

So i'm sorry i offended you in some way or another, not my intention, i respect you a lot, but i also have my own views of these things

[ExomatrixTV]

"Rand Paul claimed that the Covid-19 virus originated on a lab in China"

Show me the complete context of that statement ... as he may have added: "most likely" or "probably" or "what the new evidence indicates, if correct" etc. etc.

I have seen so many accusations done by all kinds of people who like to generalize, based on cherry-picking often out of context ... that is more paraphrasing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphrase) than studying ACTUAL statements in the proper context.

And am totally aware of building a case about anything works best if you ignore the details that contradict the assumptions ;)

It is a common thing/theme, am used to see that almost everywhere. All depends on what your goals are. If you think you do the "right thing" no matter if there are contradictions in certain claims & assumptions are, is in my view what most tend to do. Especially when they are emotional charged.

There is also a difference between: intentional lying versus having made faulty assessments that can be corrected as we all learn form our mistakes ... imagine if everyone who made a mistake in making an assessment called "evidence for being a liar" ... This also is another perfect example how people tend to behave to each-other.

Lets say I find a mistake you made ... is that "evidence" of you being a "liar"? ... Of course not, but some love to be like that accusing others being "liars". This is NOT a defense against people who intentional lie and claim it was "just a mistake". Trust has to be earned not blindly given.

Sigh ... psychology is to be found almost everywhere.

Am Dutch, most Dutch are known not to be easily offended ... we have a Dutch saying: "The soup will not be eaten/digested as hot as it is served ..." :idea:

There are many different ways to look at how some one seems be "offended" but is not. You can be irritated, frustrated, losing patience, feeling anger, feeling disappointed, being (lightly) annoyed, being confused and on and on and on all (temporary) "state of minds" do not have to be evidence of "being offended" but to many they assume it is. It is like they are "reverse empathy projections" :)

cheers,
John

[Mike]

To focus too much on the details is to risk losing the big picture. But to focus too much on the big picture is to risk losing the details. Both are important. Too much focus on the big picture makes one susceptible to broad and not always accurate generalizations, and too much focus on details leaves one susceptible to tunnel vision.

I was once heavily versed in 9-11 stuff. Many years ago. It's very clear to me that the events that happened that day had nothing to do with what was being reported by the mainstream media. Recently my Dad was sort of ridiculing 9-11 truthers as silly conspiracy theorists. I began to push back a little but I had actually forgotten much of what I'd learned so long ago. I had taken for granted that I was correct for so long that the details fell by the wayside. I knew I was right, but I couldn't effectively commuicate why and I actually had to go back and remind myself why I believed what I believed.

Here in America it's become popular among a certain group of people to say that the country is "systemically racist" without saying why or how it's systemically racist, which systems are racist, or what "systemic racism" even means exactly. To even ask for details is sort of spoiling the party, because 1) they can't provide them, and 2) they're so convinced they're correct that they feel morally exempt from having to offer explanations.

So those are traps that one can fall into when the details are disregarded. If we wish to effectively communicate these deeper truths we have to remain versed in the details.

Of course to only focus on details is to be sort of a rat in a maze, where one is only seeing walls and not a bird's eye view of things. Balance is the name of the game.

The title of the thread is "All Politicans Are Lying To Us". It could just as easily be "Everyone Is Always Lying To Us". Or it could be, "Everyone Lies To Us Sometimes and Tells The Truth Sometimes Because Human Beings Are Complex Creatures". That would be kind of an unwieldy thread title, but it would be more accurate than the current one:)

The big mistake we make when discussing politicans is that we think of them as those people out there. It would be more accurate and honest (and intelligent) to view them as being no different than us. We so quickly assume moral high ground when discussing politicians, as if we are immune to lies and manipulation ourselves. We suddenly forget all the little lies we tell on a daily basis, and how we exploited this person or that person for personal gain not so long ago. We're all politicking all the time.. the only difference is that we're not in office

To Masha's point: I agree that most politicians can only say so much given the top down nature of corruption and the structure that creates. However, Trump not only discussed the "Deep State", he tweeted about it on a near daily basis:) I never in a million years thought I'd see something like that in my lifetime. So it is possible to venture outside that structure to reveal deeper truths.

Meanwhile your average politician either can't or won't go that far. It doesn't mean they're lying all the time. It means their motivations are complex and always in flux, just like yours and mine. It means they're human. It means that if you or I were politicians we'd likely be saying the same exact things

[Mashika]

"Rand Paul claimed that the Covid-19 virus originated on a lab in China"

Show me the complete context of that statement ... as he may have added: "most likely" or "probably" or "what the new evidence indicates, if correct" etc. etc.

I have seen so many accusations done by all kinds of people who like to generalize, based on cherry-picking often out of context ... that is more paraphrasing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphrase) than studying ACTUAL statements in the proper context.

And am totally aware of building a case about anything works best if you ignore the details that contradict the assumptions ;)

It is a common thing/theme, am used to see that almost everywhere. All depends on what your goals are. If you think you do the "right thing" no matter if there are contradictions in certain claims & assumptions are, is in my view what most tend to do. Especially when they are emotional charged.

There is also a difference between: intentional lying versus having made faulty assessments that can be corrected as we all learn form our mistakes ... imagine if everyone who made a mistake in making an assessment called "evidence for being a liar" ... This also is another perfect example how people tend to behave to each-other.

Lets say I find a mistake you made ... is that "evidence" of you being a "liar"? ... Of course not, but some love to be like that accusing others being "liars". This is NOT a defense against people who intentional lie and claim it was "just a mistake". Trust has to be earned not blindly given.

Sigh ... psychology is to be found almost everywhere.

Am Dutch, most Dutch are known not to be easily offended ... we have a Dutch saying: "The soup will not be eaten/digested as hot as it is served ..." :idea:

There are many different ways to look at how some one seems be "offended" but is not. You can be irritated, frustrated, losing patience, feeling anger, feeling disappointed, being (lightly) annoyed, being confused and on and on and on all (temporary) "state of minds" do not have to be evidence of "being offended" but to many they assume it is. It is like they are "reverse empathy projections" :)

cheers,
John

You are still thinking and working this out from that "framework of true/false" understanding i was talking about, there's no escaping it?


He did not add much more to it, he right from the beginning did that same thing i did, that you considered "faulty logic"



“I think he has self-interest and not being attached to this research, because more and more of the evidence is pointing towards the virus having come out of that lab, if it did, you can see how moral responsibility or culpability attaches to Dr. Fauci because he had the poor judgment to fund this lab. So I think it was a mistake to fund the lab in Wuhan period, because I don’t think the Chinese government or military has been very forthcoming,” said Dr. Paul. “There are reports that the Chinese military has actually been working on weaponizing viruses. So I think it was a poor judgment. Even as much as a month ago, Dr. Fauci was asking the Judiciary Committee whether he still trusted the scientists and the Chinese scientists. And he says, Oh, of course, he was also asked in 2012, if a bug should escape, if a virus should infect a researcher, escape and become a pandemic, what then? And he said, Well, the science and the research is worth it, even if a pandemic should occur.”

“So this to me shows incredibly poor judgment, not wisdom, poor judgment. And really, there’s a possibility we are suffering from his poor judgment. This research still goes on in the United States, we should want to know, you know if the NIH is still funding this type of research in North Carolina? And in Galveston, do we want this to occur? Are we worried that we could have the worst virus leak out of the lab? So these are important questions, and instead of really answering any of the direct questions I had, it became sort of an ad hominem attack with him simply calling names,” said Paul.

Q: “Dr. Fauci says that there’s no correlation between the research that was conducted with that grant as it pertains to gain of function research. What other information can you tell the American public? What other proof do you have?

“They have looked to see if this came from animals naturally. This is what Dr. Fauci started saying early on, but when he did realize that his emails realize on January 31, he gets very urgent messages from four scientists saying that it looks like this virus was manipulated in the lab. He also has a paper that he sends to his assistant that is a gain of function paper that NIH funded and their alarm that it didn’t go through any kind of process or screening that it was supposed to be going through this type of screening, they were alarmed that they would be associated with this,” said Paul. “They organized, including the guy that was funding the research lab, Peter de Zack, they organized a letter. And in the private emails are saying, hey, you don’t sign it, you don’t sign it, because we made—we want it to appear as if it’s an independent effort that we had nothing to do with organizing this.”


"I think" was said way too many times, the last time i said that, you immediately said my comment was invalid because "I think" is not a hard fact. So by those same standards, what do you "think" of how many times he said that exact line "I think" that caused you to believe i was clueless and ignorant in some way? So unless you can acknowledge he's as stupid i was was when i said "I think", then there's no way to move this conversation forward

And none of that, means anything, unless you can prove it with HARD facts, which he doesn't have at all

And once again, "I think" you are still working under the framework of reality that was laid for you long ago. If you can't escape it, then all the things you say, are compromised by default. "I don't think" i could explain that better in any possible way, or language. "If you are compromised already, all you see is what they lead you to see as truth, and everything else will look like a lie, including truth itself"

Pure speculation based on evidence of something he can't truly prove, there's a lot of stuff going, but "I think" is not a valid way to prove anything, as you clearly told me some time ago

As for the last part of your statement here, i'm not even going to reply to it, it's all a lot of stuff that i truly could not care less right now

Also please remember to consider that i'm in a very bad shape right now, and i'm not saying it because i want you to go easy on me, or to cause some kind of empathy or whatever it is called. I'm saying it as a hard fact, that if i get angry and/or too upset i may actually die, and very respectfully i hope to at least be around for another couple years, if possible. So please don't get me angry, we can talk all you want, but in good, easy, simple english that doesn't carry some hidden meanings or intentions that i may or may not understand and may drive me to a bad situation

"I think" i'm not able to continue this conversation, and regardless of how it is understood or implied, i don't see much value on it, layman conversation about who is what and what breakfast someone had, which doesn't even matter in the true honest historical sense of this world? Thanks for i don't have enough time for that anymore

[Mashika]

To focus too much on the details is to risk losing the big picture. But to focus too much on the big picture is to risk losing the details. Both are important. Too much focus on the big picture makes one susceptible to broad and not always accurate generalizations, and too much focus on details leaves one susceptible to tunnel vision.


"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

You may understand what the low level people are doing, in their work, but you should not focus too much on it, just "know" they are doing what they are doing, nothing more is required, but you should always be able to be on top of the entire game

"If you are not the one looking at the game from above, then you are one of the pieces" said my grand father once

[Mike]

To focus too much on the details is to risk losing the big picture. But to focus too much on the big picture is to risk losing the details. Both are important. Too much focus on the big picture makes one susceptible to broad and not always accurate generalizations, and too much focus on details leaves one susceptible to tunnel vision.


"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

You may understand what the low level people are doing, in their work, but you should not focus too much on it, just "know" they are doing what they are doing, nothing more is required, but you should always be able to be on top of the entire game

"If you are not the one looking at the game from above, then you are one of the pieces" said my grand father once


I agree with those things mostly. But every pithy aphorism leaves itself open to a rebuttal.

I might say in response that if you never fight with monsters you'll never understand them and will leave yourself vulnerable to their tactics. Same with the abyss.

I think there's some balance to be achieved there.

Your grandfather spoke wise words there. But to be on top of the game you must first understand the ins and outs of the game...the details.

[Mashika]

To focus too much on the details is to risk losing the big picture. But to focus too much on the big picture is to risk losing the details. Both are important. Too much focus on the big picture makes one susceptible to broad and not always accurate generalizations, and too much focus on details leaves one susceptible to tunnel vision.


"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

You may understand what the low level people are doing, in their work, but you should not focus too much on it, just "know" they are doing what they are doing, nothing more is required, but you should always be able to be on top of the entire game

"If you are not the one looking at the game from above, then you are one of the pieces" said my grand father once


I agree with those things mostly. But every pithy aphorism leaves itself open to a rebuttal.

I might say in response that if you never fight with monsters you'll never understand them and will leave yourself vulnerable to their tactics. Same with the abyss.

I think there's some balance to be achieved there.

Your grandfather spoke wise words there. But to be on top of the game you must first understand the ins and outs of the game...the details.

Oh trust me, i know the way from bottom to top, all the way. I was specifically educated to do just that

"Start from the very bottom, like everyone else, suffer through what they suffer, understand and work it out on your own, with no help. Feel defenseless and hurt, overcome it, earn your place and be proud about, then throw it all out because that's your ego and pride and it's worthless, you have worked for 10 year to get there, and it was meaningless because here's how things really work"

And then you get the carpet swept out in an instance and learn that all you thought you "knew" was a bunch of BS and the world works on a completely different way.

But only you know that now! Everyone else, your friends and teachers and the nice guy selling you food at the restaurant is just "a piece of the game" and you can't even tell them how or why

I know that, trust me. Sometimes i wish i didn't, but i do

You think the people going to schools like this, will later go work on a 7/11?

If you can spend $200,000 US dollars a year, of course, to send your kids there from other countries, then you don't have to worry about them "not being the ones looking at the game from above"

"For rich Russians, UK schools in class of their own"
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/03/for-rich-russians-uk-schools-in-class-of-their-own.html


Companies like Bonas Macfarlane, which charge around £10,000 to place a child in a British public school, will work out where your child has a chance of getting in, and prepare them for the psychometric tests which many top British schools use.

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

[Mike]

To focus too much on the details is to risk losing the big picture. But to focus too much on the big picture is to risk losing the details. Both are important. Too much focus on the big picture makes one susceptible to broad and not always accurate generalizations, and too much focus on details leaves one susceptible to tunnel vision.


"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

You may understand what the low level people are doing, in their work, but you should not focus too much on it, just "know" they are doing what they are doing, nothing more is required, but you should always be able to be on top of the entire game

"If you are not the one looking at the game from above, then you are one of the pieces" said my grand father once


I agree with those things mostly. But every pithy aphorism leaves itself open to a rebuttal.

I might say in response that if you never fight with monsters you'll never understand them and will leave yourself vulnerable to their tactics. Same with the abyss.

I think there's some balance to be achieved there.

Your grandfather spoke wise words there. But to be on top of the game you must first understand the ins and outs of the game...the details.

Oh trust me, i know the way from bottom to top, all the way. I was specifically educated to do just that

"Start from the very bottom, like everyone else, suffer through what they suffer, understand and work it out on your own, with no help. Feel defenseless and hurt, overcome it, earn your place and be proud about, then throw it all out because that's your ego and pride and it's worthless, you have worked for 10 year to get there, and it was meaningless because here's how things really work"

And then you get the carpet swept out in an instance and learn that all you thought you "knew" was a bunch of BS and the world works on a completely different way.

But only you know that now! Everyone else, your friends and teachers and the nice guy selling you food at the restaurant is just "a piece of the game" and you can't even tell them how or why

I know that, trust me. Sometimes i wish i didn't, but i do


You missed the part where I suggested balance:)

To get to the top you start on the bottom. What I'm suggesting is that when you reach the top you don't forget how you got there.

[Mashika]

To focus too much on the details is to risk losing the big picture. But to focus too much on the big picture is to risk losing the details. Both are important. Too much focus on the big picture makes one susceptible to broad and not always accurate generalizations, and too much focus on details leaves one susceptible to tunnel vision.


"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

You may understand what the low level people are doing, in their work, but you should not focus too much on it, just "know" they are doing what they are doing, nothing more is required, but you should always be able to be on top of the entire game

"If you are not the one looking at the game from above, then you are one of the pieces" said my grand father once


I agree with those things mostly. But every pithy aphorism leaves itself open to a rebuttal.

I might say in response that if you never fight with monsters you'll never understand them and will leave yourself vulnerable to their tactics. Same with the abyss.

I think there's some balance to be achieved there.

Your grandfather spoke wise words there. But to be on top of the game you must first understand the ins and outs of the game...the details.

Oh trust me, i know the way from bottom to top, all the way. I was specifically educated to do just that

"Start from the very bottom, like everyone else, suffer through what they suffer, understand and work it out on your own, with no help. Feel defenseless and hurt, overcome it, earn your place and be proud about, then throw it all out because that's your ego and pride and it's worthless, you have worked for 10 year to get there, and it was meaningless because here's how things really work"

And then you get the carpet swept out in an instance and learn that all you thought you "knew" was a bunch of BS and the world works on a completely different way.

But only you know that now! Everyone else, your friends and teachers and the nice guy selling you food at the restaurant is just "a piece of the game" and you can't even tell them how or why

I know that, trust me. Sometimes i wish i didn't, but i do


You missed the part where I suggested balance:)

To get to the top you start on the bottom. What I'm suggesting is that when you reach the top you don't forget how you got there.

I updated my post with this, which i think is relevant:



You think the people going to schools like this, will later go work on a 7/11?

If you can spend $200,000 US dollars a year, of course, to send your kids there from other countries, then you don't have to worry about them "not being the ones looking at the game from above"

"For rich Russians, UK schools in class of their own"
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/03/for-rich-russians-uk-schools-in-class-of-their-own.html

Companies like Bonas Macfarlane, which charge around £10,000 to place a child in a British public school, will work out where your child has a chance of getting in, and prepare them for the psychometric tests which many top British schools use.

[Mike]

Okay okay you win:heart:

[Mashika]

Okay okay you win:heart:

YES!

First time for me! :P

"I see something important happening over there... Oh and also there seem to be some commoner people down here on this other side who I don't truly care about, where did they come from, where will they go? Where are you going olive skinned Joe?"

That's how politicians see the world :P

[Mashika]

Okay okay you win:heart:

"To get to the top you start on the bottom. What I'm suggesting is that when you reach the top you don't forget how you got there."

When i was a kid, i wondered how come i could take trips to the US, in first class, and to Spain, Mexico, Cuba, Peru and Argentina plus other places, and also we rode on very nice trucks and i was taken to and back from school in a luxury truck, every single day. And yet. I had to work a lemon stand on the street in the afternoons, i had to sell lemons out there to people passing by, and find ways to earn money out of it and grow more lemons from it, i had to make accounting over it and find out if i was losing money or selling too cheap and such

But now i understand why i was pushed that hard, and i'm not unhappy about it, at all :)

I rode an old bicycle around, I saved money for like 4 months to buy paint and new tires for it, and then i did it all myself, i painted it, and learned how to change the tires.

I always went to my school friend's homes and they had laptops and other things i thought were "cheap". I did not understood that their parents were doing extremely hard work just to be able to get them those things. I was very dumb

In my house, i had a Macintosh computer that was worth like $3000 US dollars, around 2004 or so. I did not think much of it, but have you ever seen a 7 year old kid with a $3000 US dollars computer using it just to put some music on it and play games? That's how i know what "privilege" is like

It was a very odd experience, while i had very expensive things that no one could buy, i also had to work very hard day by day, selling lemons on the street :) And i even managed to get something out of that, by later on having regular clients and so on, until i had to move away from the town. But it was a very nice experience, met a lot of people, learned a lot about how to do business, etc etc etc

I'm very grateful for all of that.

Politicians? The could not care less about all that stuff, they are "grown" like plants on a garden, just to serve a particular purpose, they think they are "aware" but all they do is being stupid and ignorant of humanity. They think they were "send by God" somehow, and that all they do is "the right thing" because in their world view, "they were born for it". There's no way they can make a mistake, that's "preposterous!" And you can watch them go on TV with their fake smiles, and hand moves, and all scripted blah blah blah, and they go through the motions because, as far as they understand, like robots "this is what i'm supposed to do, and this is the reaction people will have, according my script here"

Domo Arigato Mr Roboto

[Mike]

Okay okay you win:heart:

"To get to the top you start on the bottom. What I'm suggesting is that when you reach the top you don't forget how you got there."

When i was a kid, i wondered how come i could take trips to the US, in first class, and to Spain, Mexico, Cuba, Peru and Argentina plus other places, and also we rode on very nice trucks and i was taken to and back from school in a luxury truck, every single day. And yet. I had to work a lemon stand on the street in the afternoons, i had to sell lemons out there to people passing by, and find ways to earn money out of it and grow more lemons from it, i had to make accounting over it and find out if i was losing money or selling too cheap and such

But now i understand why i was pushed that hard, and i'm not unhappy about it, at all :)

I rode an old bicycle around, I saved money for like 4 months to buy paint and new tires for it, and then i did it all myself, i painted it, and learned how to change the tires.

I always went to my school friend's homes and they had laptops and other things i thought were "cheap". I did not understood that their parents were doing extremely hard work just to be able to get them those things. I was very dumb

In my house, i had a Macintosh computer that was worth like $3000 US dollars, around 2004 or so. I did not think much of it, but have you ever seen a 7 year old kid with a $3000 US dollars computer using it just to put some music on it and play games? That's how i know what "privilege" is like

It was a very odd experience, while i had very expensive things that no one could buy, i also had to work very hard day by day, selling lemons on the street :) And i even managed to get something out of that, by later on having regular clients and so on, until i had to move away from the town. But it was a very nice experience, met a lot of people, learned a lot about how to do business, etc etc etc

I'm very grateful for all of that.

Politicians? The could not care less about all that stuff, they are "grown" like plants on a garden, just to serve a particular purpose, they think they are "aware" but all they do is being stupid and ignorant of humanity. They think they were "send by God" somehow, and that all they do is "the right thing" because in their world view, "they were born for it". There's no way they can make a mistake, that's "preposterous!" And you can watch them go on TV with their fake smiles, and hand moves, and all scripted blah blah blah, and they go through the motions because, as far as they understand, like robots "this is what i'm supposed to do, and this is the reaction people will have, according my script here"

Domo Arigato Mr Roboto


Cool stuff. I enjoyed reading that. I think the most interesting posts are the ones that reveal something about the poster. It sounds like your parents did a good job of striking a balance between handouts and hard work. These are the types of things that we really appreciate later on in life.

Re politicians: what you described is a certain type of politician, perhaps the type we see most frequently. But I'm unwilling to say they're *all* like that. I could name a bunch that don't meet that profile right off the top of my head. I resist blanket judgements for the most part because human beings are nuanced and complex creatures..and I'm one of them!:) Under certain conditions, I know that I'm just as capable of being an unsavory sort of character as anyone else. Politicians are met with bribes, blackmail, and all manner of temptation. They have loads of power at their disposal. I can't honestly say how I'd behave if I were in a similar position

[Mashika]

They have loads of power at their disposal. I can't honestly say how I'd behave if I were in a similar position

I can, it feels nice, you are under control and feel powerful, exhilarating powerful, you see the eyes of other people and they show fear, respect and sometimes a wish for them to be who you are, or at least be close to it

When i was in middle school, i "decided" one day that a guy who was very annoying could not go play on the court anymore, IF i was there at the same time. So i simply said "If I get here, or if you come and see me here, don't come into the court, or leave immediately, or i'll show you hell" or something on those lines

The teachers were around, none of them said anything, they "knew" they had to pretend not to notice

Everyone else remained silent, and the guy was almost in tears. He was a bully for other people, but for me? For me he was weak and he knew it, i shamed him in front of everyone, and he did not had a choice but to obey me. That feels so powerful and nice, and corrupt and dirty as well, i now think about it and feel shame of myself. What a monster i was

Oh and one day, the basketball teacher got mad at me, and yelled because i was being too hard on a new kid, i think i went bersek and turned to him and said "what the f*ck you want?" And started walking towards him and he started to tremble and asked for help, and a couple guys from the team held me back. He was probably like 40+ years old...

Have you ever seen a 40+ year old adult trembling and scared when a 14 year old, 1.7 meter tall skinny girl comes his way in terrible menacing and with murderous intent?

Power corrupts

[Mashika]

Power corrupts

That's the best definition of it all

I'm going to sleep now, it's 9 am and i need to rest. Hope you all guys have a great day/night!

Also, if i say the things i'm saying, it's not because "it's about me", it's because i want you to see and understand how some of the people think, and i do have a share of it, a very good one, so i can speak about it now. I could not care anymore about anything else these days, honestly! So i'll share what i can, freely

"All politicians are lying to us. Not a single government tells the truth"

Yes.

Also I never said i was a good person, to begin with.

And just like me, there are thousands more. So there :P

[Mike]

They have loads of power at their disposal. I can't honestly say how I'd behave if I were in a similar position

I can, it feels nice, you are under control and feel powerful, exhilarating powerful, you see the eyes of other people and they show fear, respect and sometimes a wish for them to be who you are, or at least be close to it

When i was in middle school, i "decided" one day that a guy who was very annoying could not go play on the court anymore, IF i was there at the same time. So i simply said "If I get here, or if you come and see me here, don't come into the court, or leave immediately, or i'll show you hell" or something on those lines

The teachers were around, none of them said anything, they "knew" they had to pretend not to notice

Everyone else remained silent, and the guy was almost in tears. He was a bully for other people, but for me? For me he was weak and he knew it, i shamed him in front of everyone, and he did not had a choice but to obey me. That feels so powerful and nice, and corrupt and dirty as well, i now think about it and feel shame of myself. What a monster i was

Power corrupts



Right, exactly. I appreciate your honesty. And now imagine having that opportunity on a daily basis, in a way that might effect an entire country or perhaps the world even:)

Power is intoxicating. Domination is intoxicating.

Generally, if you have power over someone you'll exploit it, even if it's just in subtle ways. You may be doing it in ways you don't even realize in the moment. And the more they yield their power the hungrier you'll be to attain it. Sort of like a vampire. What I'm saying is, that's just human nature. It's not exclusive to politicians.

Often people that hate politicians have some blame to shoulder because they're actively yielding their power. Much easier to blame the "corrupt" politicians than to acknowledge their weakness and act upon it. I'm not suggesting you're doing this, but it applies I think as a general rule

[Mike]

Power corrupts

That's the best definition of it all

I'm going to sleep now, it's 9 am and i need to rest. Hope you all guys have a great day/night!

Also, if i say the things i'm saying, it's not because "it's about me", it's because i want you to see and understand how some of the people think, and i do have a share of it, a very good one, so i can speak about it now. I could not care anymore about anything else these days, honestly! So i'll share what i can, freely

"All politicians are lying to us. Not a single government tells the truth"

Yes.

Also I never said i was a good person, to begin with.

And just like me, there are thousands more. So there :P



Right, I understand what you're saying.

I'm saying most people - including you or I - would act no differently in those positions of power. So if we're going to point fingers at politicians we also need to point fingers at ourselves...and everyone else.

[Mashika]

Power corrupts

That's the best definition of it all

I'm going to sleep now, it's 9 am and i need to rest. Hope you all guys have a great day/night!

Also, if i say the things i'm saying, it's not because "it's about me", it's because i want you to see and understand how some of the people think, and i do have a share of it, a very good one, so i can speak about it now. I could not care anymore about anything else these days, honestly! So i'll share what i can, freely

"All politicians are lying to us. Not a single government tells the truth"

Yes.

Also I never said i was a good person, to begin with.

And just like me, there are thousands more. So there :P



Right, I understand what you're saying.

I'm saying most people - including you or I - would act no differently in those positions of power. So if we're going to point fingers at politicians we also need to point fingers at ourselves...and everyone else.

If people want to understand why some politicians do the things they do, i think i have a very simple answer, that explains all the privilege, ideology and logic behind it all:

"Because i can"



I'm saying most people - including you or I - would act no differently in those positions of power. So if we're going to point fingers at politicians we also need to point fingers at ourselves...and everyone else.
I am very familiar with that sentiment, unfortunately. As i happened to be born in just one exact family in the position being discussed here :)

[Mashika]

They have loads of power at their disposal. I can't honestly say how I'd behave if I were in a similar position

I can, it feels nice, you are under control and feel powerful, exhilarating powerful, you see the eyes of other people and they show fear, respect and sometimes a wish for them to be who you are, or at least be close to it

When i was in middle school, i "decided" one day that a guy who was very annoying could not go play on the court anymore, IF i was there at the same time. So i simply said "If I get here, or if you come and see me here, don't come into the court, or leave immediately, or i'll show you hell" or something on those lines

The teachers were around, none of them said anything, they "knew" they had to pretend not to notice

Everyone else remained silent, and the guy was almost in tears. He was a bully for other people, but for me? For me he was weak and he knew it, i shamed him in front of everyone, and he did not had a choice but to obey me. That feels so powerful and nice, and corrupt and dirty as well, i now think about it and feel shame of myself. What a monster i was

Power corrupts



Right, exactly. I appreciate your honesty. And now imagine having that opportunity on a daily basis, in a way that might effect an entire country or perhaps the world even:)

Power is intoxicating. Domination is intoxicating.

Generally, if you have power over someone you'll exploit it, even if it's just in subtle ways. You may be doing it in ways you don't even realize in the moment. And the more they yield their power the hungrier you'll be to attain it. Sort of like a vampire. What I'm saying is, that's just human nature. It's not exclusive to politicians.

Often people that hate politicians have some blame to shoulder because they're actively yielding their power. Much easier to blame the "corrupt" politicians than to acknowledge their weakness and act upon it. I'm not suggesting you're doing this, but it applies I think as a general rule

I'm looking at this from the top down, honestly, "power corrupts"

And if you "learned" your position in the world growing up, then you think there's nothing wrong with it, as much as other lessons you may get about life and effort and so on. It's just like that

It's a complicated mess of idiocy

[Delight]

I'm saying most people - including you or I - would act no differently in those positions of power. So if we're going to point fingers at politicians we also need to point fingers at ourselves...and everyone else.

Hey, just saying that IF one were interested in wielding POWER OVER others, the one would act no differently. This seems so STUPID to me in that one NEEDS everyone else when it would be really power FULL to be in the direct current of the FORCE. IMO its all about being in the FORCE or not.

IMO IF the majority of humanity is a collectively externally oriented being who believes that yielding power, prestige, competition etc. is interesting and rewarding they are inherently different from those who know that there is some focus that is much more interesting.

IMO despite all the various stories about who and what is true, there is an inner evolution that might even occur in one lifetime where one sees through the whole play and becomes harmless just because there is nothing valuable to be gained in the saga of world ambition (or in interpersonal ambition). All this "stuff" is about using others energetically. If you don't need to do that, WHY would it be appealing to manipulate, steal and all the other foofa of "politics" in all its form (even down to interpersonal politics).

It is kind of like we realize we live in a spiritual reality that is amenable to exploration when you stop using others energy and get your own. I feel that maybe this is a simulation because seriously now, one sees that it is all according to what program one is running OR it is something internal that is different? I think This is maybe the end of the sim?

I believe many many beings are not amenable to a REAL change in focus and will play out the program to their end.

I actually am not as concerned about what poilticians are doing as I am about being able to have my own inner connection to VALIS. Many are like me. Many are ready to graduate from the sim IMO.

In the meantime, many of us are into imagining a sim of our own. Creating a NEW sim is based on principles beyond the TAKING OF ENERGY. If we are really truly in the flow of the power that creates worlds, Maybe we will "go there" to explore our imagined sim?

If one is really aware, one would never harm others and would give aid and comfort and the best one has to offer because what GOES around COMES around IMO in the principle of sim making>

[Mike]

Masha, Hierarchies will always be prone to corruption and power tripping. But most hierarchies are based on competence, not power.

If you have a value system, you'll have a heirarchy. If you prefer one thing over another, you'll have a heirarchy. If today we just destroyed, say, American poitical structures all over the country..and other institutions, and we had to begin rebuilding communities and so forth, it would quickly become apparent that certain people are better at some tasks than others...and natural hierarchies would form.

You can't get rid of heirarchies, unless you want to sacrifice competence. Some will become power hungry and eventually fail, but that's just part of life. It's unavoidable.

So yes, power corrupts. Always has and I suspect it always will. But it's an existential issue and goes way beyond politics. It's universal and applies to us all.

Now go to bed already!:bigsmile::bearhug:

[Mashika]

I'm saying most people - including you or I - would act no differently in those positions of power. So if we're going to point fingers at politicians we also need to point fingers at ourselves...and everyone else.

Hey, just saying that IF one were interested in wielding POWER OVER others, the one would act no differently. This seems so STUPID to me in that one NEEDS everyone else when it would be really power FULL to be in the direct current of the FORCE. IMO its all about being in the FORCE or not.

IMO IF the majority of humanity is a collectively externally oriented being who believes that yielding power, prestige, competition etc. is interesting and rewarding they are inherently different from those who know that there is some focus that is much more interesting.

IMO despite all the various stories about who and what is true, there is an inner evolution that might even occur in one lifetime where one sees through the whole play and becomes harmless just because there is nothing valuable to be gained in the saga of world ambition (or in interpersonal ambition). All this "stuff" is about using others energetically. If you don't need to do that, WHY would it be appealing to manipulate, steal and all the other foofa of "politics" in all its form (even down to interpersonal politics).

It is kind of like we realize we live in a spiritual reality that is amenable to exploration when you stop using others energy and get your own. I feel that maybe this is a simulation because seriously now, one sees that it is all according to what program one is running OR it is something internal that is different? I think This is maybe the end of the sim?

I believe many many beings are not amenable to a REAL change in focus and will play out the program to their end.

I actually am not as concerned about what poilticians are doing as I am about being able to have my own inner connection to VALIS. Many are like me. Many are ready to graduate from the sim IMO.

In the meantime, many of us are into imagining a sim of our own. Creating a NEW sim is based on principles beyond the TAKING OF ENERGY. If we are really truly in the flow of the power that creates worlds, Maybe we will "go there" to explore our imagined sim?

If one is really aware, one would never harm others and would give aid and comfort and the best one has to offer because what GOES around COMES around IMO in the principle of sim making>

This is very understandable, but you need to realise something very important. All of this, is happening within what i mentioned before on this thread "a framework of what is true/false". SO within it, your truth may be valid, but outside? What goes on inside may not actually be what truly represents a valid truth "outside this framework of values"

How would you know the difference? Thinking that 'i can feel it' is not it, since you have been directed to exactly do that 'to think that's how it is'. see what i mean?

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Masha, Hierarchies will always be prone to corruption and power tripping. But most hierarchies are based on competence, not power.

If you have a value system, you'll have a heirarchy. If you prefer one thing over another, you'll have a heirarchy. If today we just destroyed, say, American poitical structures all over the country..and other institutions, and we had to begin rebuilding communities and so forth, it would quickly become apparent that certain people were better at some tasks than others...and natural hierarchies would form.

You can't get rid of heirarchies, unless you want to sacrifice competence. Some will become power hungry and eventually fail, but that's just part of life. It's unavoidable.

So yes, power corrupts. Always has and I suspect it always will. But it's an existential issue and goes way beyond politics. It's universal and applies to us all.

Now go to bed already!:bigsmile::bearhug:

I don't think most people understand truly what i mean by the things i say, even if i try hard :P

The "framework of reality" thing, seems to be completely lacking, to explain what i need to explain. I'll have to think more about it



Now go to bed already!

No want to :P

But i'll do now, bye bye! <3

[Mike]

I'm saying most people - including you or I - would act no differently in those positions of power. So if we're going to point fingers at politicians we also need to point fingers at ourselves...and everyone else.

Hey, just saying that IF one were interested in wielding POWER OVER others, the one would act no differently. This seems so STUPID to me in that one NEEDS everyone else when it would be really power FULL to be in the direct current of the FORCE. IMO its all about being in the FORCE or not.

IMO IF the majority of humanity is a collectively externally oriented being who believes that yielding power, prestige, competition etc. is interesting and rewarding they are inherently different from those who know that there is some focus that is much more interesting.

IMO despite all the various stories about who and what is true, there is an inner evolution that might even occur in one lifetime where one sees through the whole play and becomes harmless just because there is nothing valuable to be gained in the saga of world ambition (or in interpersonal ambition). All this "stuff" is about using others energetically. If you don't need to do that, WHY would it be appealing to manipulate, steal and all the other foofa of "politics" in all its form (even down to interpersonal politics).

It is kind of like we realize we live in a spiritual reality that is amenable to exploration when you stop using others energy and get your own. I feel that maybe this is a simulation because seriously now, one sees that it is all according to what program one is running OR it is something internal that is different? I think This is maybe the end of the sim?

I believe many many beings are not amenable to a REAL change in focus and will play out the program to their end.

I actually am not as concerned about what poilticians are doing as I am about being able to have my own inner connection to VALIS. Many are like me. Many are ready to graduate from the sim IMO.

In the meantime, many of us are into imagining a sim of our own. Creating a NEW sim is based on principles beyond the TAKING OF ENERGY. If we are really truly in the flow of the power that creates worlds, Maybe we will "go there" to explore our imagined sim?

If one is really aware, one would never harm others and would give aid and comfort and the best one has to offer because what GOES around COMES around IMO in the principle of sim making>


I like where your head is at in a way. It all sounds wonderful to some part of me

However, even your new sim will involve heirarchies. And some of them will become corrupt. That's just human nature, and it always will be. People will always be vulnerable to power, whether they're in a "spiritual" environment or not, whether they're eating meat or fruit/veggies, whether money exists or not, whether you eliminate competition or not, and so on.

People are naturally competitive btw. They're naturally ambitious too. You stifle those things at your own peril.

[Delight]

I like where your head is at in a way. It all sounds wonderful to some part of me

However, even your new sim will involve heirarchies. And some of them will become corrupt. That's just human nature, and it always will be. People will always be vulnerable to power, whether they're in a "spiritual" environment or not, whether they're eating meat or fruit/veggies, whether money exists or not, whether you eliminate competition or not, and so on.

People are naturally competitive btw. They're naturally ambitious too. You stifle those things at your own peril.

I like to think in terms of spherical, round, spiraling and don't feel hierarchical is more REAL... it is a construct. It uses a pyramid, a triangle etc. Competition seems true when one is on a pyramid and needs to get to a "top". IMO.

Thanks for entertaining my thoughts. Good morning from USA where I should be asleep.... going now. Maggie

[Mike]

I like where your head is at in a way. It all sounds wonderful to some part of me

However, even your new sim will involve heirarchies. And some of them will become corrupt. That's just human nature, and it always will be. People will always be vulnerable to power, whether they're in a "spiritual" environment or not, whether they're eating meat or fruit/veggies, whether money exists or not, whether you eliminate competition or not, and so on.

People are naturally competitive btw. They're naturally ambitious too. You stifle those things at your own peril.

I like to think in terms of spherical, round, spiraling and don't feel hierarchical is more REAL... it is a construct. It uses a pyramid, a triangle etc. Competition seems true when one is on a pyramid and needs to get to a "top". IMO.

Thanks for entertaining my thoughts. Good morning from USA where I should be asleep.... going now. Maggie


Ha! I should be asleep too! I don't know why i can't turn this bloody phone off..

Ya know something: I want to agree with you on the circle as opposed to the hierarchal pyramid. I really do. I'd be interested in seeing you flesh that idea out a little. Emotionally I'm totally on board with it but i can't get there intellectually yet

Sleep well Maggie:flower:

[ExomatrixTV]

To sum it up: anyone that "needs power over others in a manipulative way" actually makes a clear statement: >>> that they do NOT have it <<< ... as anyone who find the power within first ... find ways to empower own (unlimited) creative capacities/potential first and put it in to action ... does not need to be a parasite (control freak) anymore. And the Universe is with you :heart:

cheers,
John

[palehorse]

I almost could feel his nerves in speaking about it, he is putting his neck to risk in behalf of humankind, even tough he said the government knows who he is and he does hot represent a treat for them, it was already expected in the simulation.

--[update]--

Another very compelling thing he said about there is a very tiny number of people that are really looking out for information, and probably we all know where it will end up, once passports for control are deployed everywhere.

Hopefully we can stop it all from happen, if not, run to mountains or die fighting.

great video, many thanks for sharing.

[Bubu]

Power corrupts

P

Power do not corrupt it only gives the person more liberty to practice corruption or otherwise. The thing is almost all people are corrupt one time or another, because we've been deliberately corrupted. That's why when they are given power almost all practice corruption. Everyone who has had a glimpse of corruption is struggling to be free of it. The more we see through the veil of corruption the less corrupt we become, the less fear we have the happier we become. Give a non corrupt person power and he will practice the opposite of corruption. I think Keanu Reeves is a good example of a non corrupt person. Despite his wealth which is of course power he remains down to earth.

[palehorse]

I like where your head is at in a way. It all sounds wonderful to some part of me

However, even your new sim will involve heirarchies. And some of them will become corrupt. That's just human nature, and it always will be. People will always be vulnerable to power, whether they're in a "spiritual" environment or not, whether they're eating meat or fruit/veggies, whether money exists or not, whether you eliminate competition or not, and so on.

People are naturally competitive btw. They're naturally ambitious too. You stifle those things at your own peril.

I like to think in terms of spherical, round, spiraling and don't feel hierarchical is more REAL... it is a construct. It uses a pyramid, a triangle etc. Competition seems true when one is on a pyramid and needs to get to a "top". IMO.
..

perfect definition, and it also reflects your avatar, which I see decentralization, distribution, etc.. :) I like it.

[Delight]

To sum it up: anyone that "needs power over others in a manipulative way" actually makes a clear statement: >>> that they do NOT have it <<< ... as anyone who find the power within first ... find ways to empower own (unlimited) creative capacities/potential first and put it in to action ... does not need to be a parasite (control freak) anymore. And the Universe is with you :heart:

cheers,
John

The FACTUAL model IMO is symbiosis here on the material plane. IMO people have been led to believe that parasitism is "normal" BUT it is like all other inversions IMO of the truth. Giving is supported by the Universe. The "parasites" like a PONZI scheme need an ever widening operating base of energy to take.

Give more than you take increases energy.
It is better to give than to receive.

The Natural world is always creating.
The matrix world is about the squandering, destruction and ENTROPIC death. The Parasites cannot live without a host to feed on. It is such an ugly brutal deadly way of being IMO.

I am modeling in my imagination the beauty of nature where we all live long and prosper because we are GIVERS and LOVERS and know beauty. What goes around and comes around is LIFE ever more abundant in my world.


Symbiosis Definition (https://biologydictionary.net/symbiosis/)

A symbiosis is an evolved interaction or close living relationship between organisms from different species, usually with benefits to one or both of the individuals involved. Symbioses may be ‘obligate’, in which case the relationship between the two species is so interdependent, that each of the organisms is unable to survive without the other, or ‘facultative’, in which the two species engage in a symbiotic partnership through choice, and can survive individually. Obligate symbioses are often evolved over a long period of time, while facultative symbioses may be more modern, behavioral adaptions; given time, facultative symbioses may evolve into obligate symbioses.

Endosymbiosis is a symbiotic relationship, occurring when one of the symbiotic partners lives within the body of the other. Endosymbiosis can take place either within the cells (intercellular symbiosis) of the ‘host’ organism, or outside the cells (extracellular symbiosis). On the other hand, ectosymbiosis is a symbiotic relationship in which one organism lives on the body surface of the host, including the lining of the digestive tract, or exocrine glands such as mucus or sweat glands.

Types of Symbiosis
Mutualism
Mutualisms are a form of symbiosis in which both symbiotic partners benefit from the interaction, often resulting in a significant fitness gain for either one or both parties. Mutualisms can take the form of resource-resource relationships, service-resource relationships, or service-service relationships.

Resource-resource mutualisms (also known as ‘trophic mutualisms’) happen through the exchange of one resource for another between the two organisms involved. Resource-resource mutualisms most often occur between an autotroph (a photosynthesizing organism) and a heterotroph (an organism which must absorb or ingest food to gain energy). Most plants have a trophic mutualism called a mycorrhizal association, which is a symbiosis between the roots of the plants and a fungus. The fungus colonizes the plants roots and is provided with carbohydrates, sucrose and glucose. In exchange, the plant benefits from the fungi’s higher water and mineral absorption capabilities.

Service-resource mutualisms occur when the symbiotic partner provides a service in exchange for a resource reward. One of the best known examples of this is the exchange between plants and their pollinators. While visiting the plants to gain a supply of energy-rich nectar, the pollinator (insects, birds, moths, bats, etc.), provides the plant with the service benefit of being pollinated, while ensuring their own pollen is distributed when the pollinator visits more plants of the same species.

A rare form of mutualistic symbiosis comes in the form of service-service interactions. As the name suggests, both of the symbiotic partners receive a service, such as shelter or protection from predators. For example, the close relationship between anemone fish (family: Pomacentridae) and sea anemones provides both partners with protection from predators. The anemone fish, which have evolved an extra thick mucus layer on their skin to prevent them from being stung by the anemone’s nematocysts, are provided with shelter from predators and a place to breed, while aggressively chasing away other fish which may try to bite the ends off the nutrient-rich tentacles. However, it is argued that there are very few truly service-service mutualisms as there is usually a resource component to the symbiosis. In the case of the anemone-anemone fish mutualism, the nutrients from the anemone fish waste provide food for the symbiotic algae, which live within the tentacles of the anemone and provide energy to the anemone through photosynthesis. In this way, symbioses are shown to be highly complex and indicative of the delicate balance within ecosystems.

Commensalism
Commensalism is a symbiosis in which one organism benefits from, and is often completely dependent on, the other for food, shelter, or locomotion, with no obvious effect on the host. The relationship between whales and barnacles is an example of commensalism. The barnacles attach themselves to the tough skin of whales, and benefit from widespread movement and exposure to currents, from which they feed, while the whale is seemingly unaffected by their presence.

Amensalism
On the opposing side of commensalism is amensalism. This occurs when one organism is inhibited or damaged by the presence of the other, who does not benefit. Amensalism may involve competition, in which a larger, more powerful, or environmentally better adapted organism excludes another organism from its food source or shelter; for example, one plant shades out another while growing at its normal speed and height. Alternatively, antibiosis, where one organism secretes chemicals as by-products that kill or damage the other organism, but do not benefit the other, can be seen commonly in nature.

Parasitism
Parasitism is the non-mutualistic form of symbiosis, occurring when one of the organisms benefits at the expense of the other. Unlike predation, parasitism does not necessarily result in direct death of the parasitized organism, and often it is imperative to the life cycle of the parasite to keep its host alive. Sometimes the parasitized host is killed as result of parasitic invasion; in this case, the invader is known as a ‘parasitoid’. Parasitism may involve direct infiltration of the host body to feed off tissue, influencing behaviors that benefit the parasite, or kleptoparasitism, in which the parasite steals food or other resources from a host.

Parasitic symbiosis appears in many forms; some are relatively non-threatening, for example, ectoparasites, such as fleas, which feed off the blood of larger animals and may cause uncomfortable itching. However, the ectoparasite may act as a carrier or vector, which transmits intercellular endoparasites such as bacteria and viruses to the host, often causing significant damage or death.

Brood parasitism, a form of kleptoparasitism, can impose a significant cost on the fitness of the host. This is common in birds (most notably in cuckoos), insects and some fish, where the parasite lays eggs within a host’s nest, and subsequently receives the food or shelter intended for the host offspring. Brood parasitism can result in high numbers of offspring death, either due to starvation, rejection of the offspring or the abandonment of nests by the host parents, or by parasites removing host offspring from nests.

It has been hypothesized that a parasitic symbiosis may be evolved from other, more benevolent forms of symbioses; one partner may begin to exploit a previously mutualistic relationship by taking more of a resource or service than is returned, or by not contributing benefits to the partnership at all.

[Delight]

I like where your head is at in a way. It all sounds wonderful to some part of me

However, even your new sim will involve heirarchies. And some of them will become corrupt. That's just human nature, and it always will be. People will always be vulnerable to power, whether they're in a "spiritual" environment or not, whether they're eating meat or fruit/veggies, whether money exists or not, whether you eliminate competition or not, and so on.

People are naturally competitive btw. They're naturally ambitious too. You stifle those things at your own peril.

I like to think in terms of spherical, round, spiraling and don't feel hierarchical is more REAL... it is a construct. It uses a pyramid, a triangle etc. Competition seems true when one is on a pyramid and needs to get to a "top". IMO.
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perfect definition, and it also reflects your avatar, which I see decentralization, distribution, etc.. :) I like it.

I don't want to derail this thread but did you ever think about a kind of 2 dimensional geometry that would only need YOU and a stick to generate? Stand on the beach and draw a circle around yourself and know you stand at the center of the Universe. From there the flower of life can be symbolized.

This is a spherical geometry that holds the connections of any linear geometric form.

There has been an explosion of truth made available and IMO the Universe is inviting us to change. Only self generators of their own "light" (energy) will make it IMO. The parasites want us to feel we need THEM and if we try to walk away, pull every trick in their play book.

Seeing the lying and manipulation is necessary before we can let it all fall away. Then we leave the matrix held by our own MIND.

They proclaim that have our best interests in "heart".

As Rhett said to Scarlet when he was walking out from her manipulative parasitism...."Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn". WE are leaving now and nothing tried will stop us.

Synchronistically this was posted today on PA. I would suggest people follow their intuition if treating the info as an initiation or ceremony as offered. There is a disclaimer that one should interact with previous information to get the most benefit?

Re: Connecting the Broken Circuits in Our Bodies to Prepare for the future (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36806-Connecting-the-Broken-Circuits-in-Our-Bodies-to-Prepare-for-the-future&p=1451500&viewfull=1#post1451500)
It is exactly what I envision as my spherical geometry.

2bym2vXYtS8

[amor]

The subject above has morphed to corruption in government and is being blamed on human frailty to move in the same direction when surrounded by forces that are all created to do just that. The blame is being laid on individual humans, no matter what their moral compass. I wish to point out that in the case of the USA government, the blame must be laid in the DESIGN BY THOSE ABOVE, such as the Bankers who are the movers and shakers, the NAZI'S GOLD placed in over 700 world Corporations. The Rockefeller Foundation devoted to GLOBAL GENOCIDE as in their 2010 Lockstep model for the Injection of Death on all from babies to the elderly.

(I include this aside about the deliberate murder of the elderly in a Long Island nursing home by being starved and given narcotics until death. Their relatives were poor and lived too far away to know what was happening. I heard elsewhere this is called the "Liverpool Method." Old people are being murdered outright.

This murder on a global scale is being done because the Corporations have looted everything and can only escape their retribution by murdering off the world population whose money it is they have stolen. The portfolios are Wind Pies. The Politicians are selected and put up for election and the Dominion and similar computer servers are all fixed around the planet to ensure the Powers that Be have all their men in place to do their bidding. The USA is said to be the Policeman of the World, for just the reason to enforce power for the Aliens who control us. Per chance an honest man should get into government, he will be rendered ineffective because he will be out voted every time by the mass of others who know where their payoffs come from and the retribution they will receive if they do not submit to the Plan. As insurance, they are set up, blackmailed, etc. And so we have iron bands of Policed Control of the Government headed by the Bankers who have looted the system, have no remedy for it and have decided to KILL OFF THEIR CUSTOMERS EN MASS, WORLD GENOCIDE. A World Reset it surely is; Dead people cannot ask for their money. They decided HOW THEY WERE GOING TO MURDER US FROM CRADLE TO GRAVE. As I have stated elsewhere on Avalon, I firmly believe the Head of this Snake is Alien AI, et al, using the consolidating power of Hitler's stolen Nazi Gold which was used to finance more than 750 Corporations world wide. They want the Planet to themselves. After they succeed, the Aliens will eliminate the foolish Nazis.

The current Genocide was planned by The Crown in London where a whistle blower reported to Project Camelot that they decided to "Give China a Cold." As the head of the snake, they are responsible for the creation and existence of the CDC's everywhere and their poisonous leaders who are funding creations of death called Vaccines using a faulty mechanism claiming to activate the immune system to stop disease, when in actual fact they are implanting the diseases and overwhelming the human immune system from babyhood onward. They have created a nanobot computer/bio link, mRNA to attach to DNA (which is who you are) to murder off your immune system by causing a cytokine storm to kill you. Their TEST for COVID actually consists of the same murderous elements as the so-called Vaccine which also includes Morgellons Living Systems to give you a dose of Death and so do their MASKS. These lying insidious murderers know no bounds. They deserve summary death. The fact they are still alive points to genocidal complicity of both sides of government.

An acquaintance mentioned several people of her acquaintance who died very shortly after receiving this horror, heart attacks, strokes and suffocation. This is said to be an EXPERIMENT on humans and is being FORCIBLY MANDATED BY BIDEN AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. He appears to me to be the iconic TRAITOR who will give the Military the Jab, kill them off and China will walk in. There is a story that they are already, English speaking Chinese soldiers at some FEMA came in Michigan.

I have come to the conclusion that both SIDES fighting to control the government are actually bringing about the IDENTICAL GOAL OF COMMUNIST TAKEOVER, while pretending to be on opposite sides. CALL OUT THE PATRIOTS AND THE NATIONAL GUARD, WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED!!!

[Mike Gorman]

https://odysee.com/63ea2999-e75c-48a1-8aa8-bc51c8b76462






Mod note from Bill:
I presume this is Dr Michael Yeadon. But the link is broken, and I can't find the original. Can you edit this post to correct the link? (And then you're welcome to remove this note, as well)



https://odysee.com/@PlanetLockdown:6/Michael-Yeadon-full-interview:8?&sunset=lbrytv&fbclid=IwAR34E12LMXWyQI-bwNjioOLOKXnPdOzCdo_SR6NF_gp--G0vSekT90mxAsY

Thanks Bill. I try to put the link on like this

Yess this link works.
BTW don't get vaccinated. it will not only destroy your immunesystem, but it will also alter your dna

Another outstanding presentation by Michael Yeadon. He hits all the relevant major points.

But, alas, as he says: he’s preaching to the choir. Those who really need to hear and understand what he’s saying won’t, and those who do hear it, already understand and don’t need to hear it again.

This is most unfortunately very true - I made my older brother rather cross with me for showing him Mike Yeadon's videos, I love my older brother but J.H Christ he is square! Seriously though, those who are intelligent enough to comprehend what Dr Yeadon is speaking about too often dismiss him as being a crank, or renegade type; it is frustrating but we have to keep trying, if even one or two others are enlightened, it is a result.

[Journeyman]

https://odysee.com/63ea2999-e75c-48a1-8aa8-bc51c8b76462






Mod note from Bill:
I presume this is Dr Michael Yeadon. But the link is broken, and I can't find the original. Can you edit this post to correct the link? (And then you're welcome to remove this note, as well)



https://odysee.com/@PlanetLockdown:6/Michael-Yeadon-full-interview:8?&sunset=lbrytv&fbclid=IwAR34E12LMXWyQI-bwNjioOLOKXnPdOzCdo_SR6NF_gp--G0vSekT90mxAsY

Thanks Bill. I try to put the link on like this

There aren't many silver linings in the current situation, but perhaps one is that the notion that we live in a world of independent nation states each deciding their own course has been fatally undermined. The co-ordination of policy across borders was one aspect, but more obvious still was the usage of the same phrases from one govt spokesperson to the next. 'Build Back Better' being the most obvious example, but by no means the only one. A sort of disclosure has taken place.

The world has finally been given a glimpse of the power that pulls the strings of all the 'elected' officials across the world. The nature of that power is up for discussion, but the sign of its influence across oceans and borders has never been more apparent.

[Gemma13]

I like where your head is at in a way. It all sounds wonderful to some part of me

However, even your new sim will involve heirarchies. And some of them will become corrupt. That's just human nature, and it always will be. People will always be vulnerable to power, whether they're in a "spiritual" environment or not, whether they're eating meat or fruit/veggies, whether money exists or not, whether you eliminate competition or not, and so on.

People are naturally competitive btw. They're naturally ambitious too. You stifle those things at your own peril.

I like to think in terms of spherical, round, spiraling and don't feel hierarchical is more REAL... it is a construct. It uses a pyramid, a triangle etc. Competition seems true when one is on a pyramid and needs to get to a "top". IMO.

Thanks for entertaining my thoughts. Good morning from USA where I should be asleep.... going now. Maggie


Ha! I should be asleep too! I don't know why i can't turn this bloody phone off..

Ya know something: I want to agree with you on the circle as opposed to the hierarchal pyramid. I really do. I'd be interested in seeing you flesh that idea out a little. Emotionally I'm totally on board with it but i can't get there intellectually yet

Sleep well Maggie:flower:

I like where Delight's head is at too. It's why I like this simple, (albeit full of complexity), explanation about what we have been doing wrong and how we will change that.

It comes from the Novel "THE WEATHER COMPOSER: THE BATTLEFIELD IS DRAWN" by James Mahu.

A bit of context: An extinction level event devastates earth and reduces populations by 90%.   A new World Government emerges that selects people with the highest I.Q's to rebuild past technologies.

Terran Kahn is thirteen years old with an intelligence never seen before.  He is also believed by some to be the Madhi, but he's not interested in taking up that mantle.  (In the first novel of this trilogy Terran does have a profound experience where his "spiritual body" merges with his human body, which enhances his intelligence even more, along with significant supernatural abilities.)
[Incidently this merger is what the author seriously predicts is happening to a small percentage of humans right now; then there will be thousands, then millions, and by 2070, All.]

In the following excerpt Terran is trying to explain to the World Leader why he will not help to rebuild all the technologies pre-apocalypse.


Terran stood up and went to the whiteboard.  He grabbed a blue marker, and began to write on the board.

1.  Potential energy at a pure vibratory level
2.  First Source Consciousness
3.  Cosmic consciousness or universal consciousness
4.  Sovereign consciousness or soul consciousness
5.  Individualized consciousness or ego-mind consciousness
6.  Manifested local reality

When he finished writing,  Terran turned around and looked at President Stanton.  "Our technologies, the ones you want me to reboot, are primarily based here - Number 5.  They heighten the appeal of the ego-mind consciousness, and the belief system this produces expresses a local reality that is aligned.

This reality gives permission, and in some cases, requires us, to control ourselves, others, and nature.  Because consciousness modulates reality, if our consciousness is fixed here," he pointed to the Number Five with his marker,  "then our reality will reflect this consciousness. 

We did not survive Sunrot to go back to the old technologies, the old consciousness, and make the same mistakes by creating a reality based on a false understanding."

President Stanton looked over the list and nodded.  "I hear what you're saying, but these are matters for religious people, not politicians like me or scientists like the residents of FRC (Faculty Research Centre). You're kind of a fish out of water with a list like that."

"And yet," Terran said, "you want me to lead this project.  What I've defined here is not religious or scientific.  It is the way the universe works."

Terran began to draw a triangle, pointing downward.  He then divided the triangle with five horizontal lines.  Then he inserted the numbers one through six and punctuated a small dot at the very bottom.  President Stanton and Eleanor watched with interest as Terran silently went about his depiction of a cosmological reality.

"The triangle is all," Terran finally announced.  "It contains all.  It is a framework and nothing more.  These numbers correspond to each of those six levels."  He pointed to what he'd previously written on the whiteboard.  "It's accuracy is not the point.  I'm only depicting the system we call reality." Terran pointed to the sixth space, then underneath, where the blue dot was drawn.

"This is us.  This is where the vast majority of people operate.  The manifested local reality is channeled into the ego-mind and ego-mind is channeled into the manifested reality.  It is like a revolving door."

"To understand the sovereign consciousness and the universal consciousness, we need to embrace new belief systems or programs.  We need to upgrade our consciousness.  We need to operate from here," Terran said, pointing to levels three and four, "in order to change the manifestation here." He pointed to the blue dot.

"What does this have to do with whether you will help TRP?" (Technology Reboot Program) Stanton asked.

"Our universe is not understood," Terran said, putting down the markers and sitting down.  "Our references are wrong.  We believe it to be an external physical set of objects existing in space and time." Terran knocked on the table top.  "Solid equals real."

Terran pointed to the top level where Number 1 was represented.  "Our universe truly exists in level one, in a pure vibrational state, and it is orchestrated by consciousness to manifest.  We compose or control.  The moment we control we slip into level five -- the ego-mind consciousness.  When we compose, we elevate our consciousness to level four and even three.  Consciousness is the engine of life.  Everything external is an extension of consciousness; it is modulated by consciousness into existence.  Therefore, if consciousness is locked in the ego-mind of level five, it will manifest from that level.  I want to help humanity to manifest from the levels of sovereign and universal consciousness."

Terran stood up and took the marker again, pointing to levels three and four.  "This requires new technologies that are composed here, at this level."

He returned to his chair.  "Part of the reason for Sunrot was to enable humanity to recode its technologies.  It isn't start-over time; it's quantum leap time."

President Stanton winced a little at this elevated turn of phrase, but managed to convert his face into a smile.  He glanced at the whiteboard and then to Eleanor.  "You've been very quiet in all of this. What do you think? Am I being unreasonable in trying to turn our technical infrastructure back on, so people can enjoy their lives as before?"

[Delight]

I like this simple, (albeit full of complexity), explanation about what we have been doing wrong and how we will change that.

It comes from the Novel "THE WEATHER COMPOSER: THE BATTLEFIELD IS DRAWN" by James Mahu.

A bit of context: An extinction level event devastates earth and reduces populations by 90%.   A new World Government emerges that selects people with the highest I.Q's to rebuild past technologies.

..............................................

"To understand the sovereign consciousness and the universal consciousness, we need to embrace new belief systems or programs.  We need to upgrade our consciousness.  We need to operate from here," Terran said, pointing to levels three and four, "in order to change the manifestation here." He pointed to the blue dot.

"What does this have to do with whether you will help TRP?" (Technology Reboot Program) Stanton asked.

"Our universe is not understood," Terran said, putting down the markers and sitting down.  "Our references are wrong.  We believe it to be an external physical set of objects existing in space and time." Terran knocked on the table top.  "Solid equals real."

Terran pointed to the top level where Number 1 was represented.  "Our universe truly exists in level one, in a pure vibrational state, and it is orchestrated by consciousness to manifest.  We compose or control.  The moment we control we slip into level five -- the ego-mind consciousness.  When we compose, we elevate our consciousness to level four and even three.  Consciousness is the engine of life.  Everything external is an extension of consciousness; it is modulated by consciousness into existence.  Therefore, if consciousness is locked in the ego-mind of level five, it will manifest from that level.  I want to help humanity to manifest from the levels of sovereign and universal consciousness."

Terran stood up and took the marker again, pointing to levels three and four.  "This requires new technologies that are composed here, at this level."

He returned to his chair.  "Part of the reason for Sunrot was to enable humanity to recode its technologies.  It isn't start-over time; it's quantum leap time."

President Stanton winced a little at this elevated turn of phrase, but managed to convert his face into a smile.  He glanced at the whiteboard and then to Eleanor.  "You've been very quiet in all of this. What do you think? Am I being unreasonable in trying to turn our technical infrastructure back on, so people can enjoy their lives as before?"[/COLOR]

Thanks so much for US!!! you grok it, others grok it and why IS THAT???

James Mahu is the person associated with the Wing makers. Here is his site https://sovereignintegrl.blogspot.com/

Why are some of us seeming to spontaneously embrace a very paradoxical view that includes the concept "sovereign"? Maybe we are being beamed by some group of Ultraterrestrials? Or maybe it is CONSCIOUSNESS itself? Or maybe it is something else. I can understand why people "believe" something despite evidence. I do think my POV is absolutely what I WANT TO EXPERIENCE and I cannot change others and just MUST cling to what LOOKS TRUE.

It is very intriguing that many of us are all "coming together" all over with the same impetus. IMO it does not matter that we are in separate spaces. We are moving somewhere we choose to be... now in mind and later will we see it in flesh????


"There are other domains of consciousness that operate outside of our four dimensional construct of spacetime, where time slows down, or speeds up, or ceases to exist altogether. The higher fields of consciousness—where humanity is one being—this is a different form of spacetime than anything on earth, and yet this is the spacetime we are headed into. When earth arrives in this spacetime, we—all humans—will feel it as a visceral experience that’ll reshape our attitudes and perceptions of what constitute the meaning of humanness. We’ll transform as one being, and yet, every expression or projection of individuality, remains sovereign.
This is the Sovereign Integral state of consciousness… the highest dimensional consciousness that is known within the human family." (*)

[Gwin Ru]

Mike Yeadon - Cabalists "Plan to Kill off the Majority of the Human Race" (https://www.henrymakow.com/2021/09/yeadon-cabalists-plan-to-kill-off-human-race.html)

by Mike Yeadon September 12, 2021
Mike Yeadon is a PhD in respiratory pharmacology and a former VP of Pfizer

"Given that these are not vaccines, they don't work as vaccines, they're massively far away from any acceptable safety profile & there are low cost, well understood drug treatments, why would you allow anyone to stick a needle in your arm?"
This was written in response to this article by Dr. Paul Alexander and Dr. Howard Tenenbaum
(https://drtrozzi.com/2021/09/the-covid-19-injection-is-not-a-vaccine/)
by Mike Yeadon (Sept. 12, 2021)
(henrymakow.com)

The population of the planet is being taken through the gates of hell over a probably partly-invented virus, which is not unusual in its lethality.

I agree these 'vaccines' were never appropriate & there was ample evidence of global fraud by fear long before that vaccine was prematurely considered for emergency use authorization.

Re-reading Dr Peter Doshi's blog post in BMJ, referencing Pfizer's regulatory submission to FDA, he made some striking observations.

Specifically, he pointed out how THOUSANDS of suspected 'cases' from the vaccine arm of the trial had been "removed from statistical analysis because of "unspecified protocol deviations".

When Doshi reanalyzed the data with all the subject included, 'efficacy' fell to 19% (and not significant).

I know enough about clinical trials & the many conventions that ensure you don't carry undeclared conflicts of interest.

What was done in that trial was clearly improper. In reality, the Pfizer / BioNTech product never even worked in the closely controlled trial.

I also think there is a virus. I'm no longer convinced it's as described but is a blend of genetic material from several different sources.

Three key questions:
1. Do these vaccines work?
I suspect none of them do. Paul & Howard lay out some of the evidence. (https://drtrozzi.com/2021/09/the-covid-19-injection-is-not-a-vaccine/)

2. Are these vaccines safe?
They are absolutely not safe. They are responsible for huge numbers of horrific injuries & deaths in completely unprecedented numbers, based on review of public vaccine safety monitoring systems in the US, U.K. & Europe.

3. Are these vaccines necessary?
No, not at all. If anything, deaths rise immediately after mass vaccination started almost everywhere when the data was good enough to examine. On the other side of the medical ledger, excellent treatments have been identified & used, 85-90% of severe illness & death was prevented.
Given the foregoing, that these are not vaccines, they don't work as vaccines, they're massively far away from any acceptable safety profile & there are low cost, well understood drug treatments, why would you allow anyone to stick a needle in your arm?

I beg of you:

if you've not been vaccinated, do not capitulate now. If you've been vaccinated, reject the bribe of some of your freedoms bank (aka vaccine passport). Giving in to tyranny always leads to more tyranny.
We must not cooperate with our own entrapment. I keep a good eye out on many countries. It is clear that one objective is to lure us all into a VaxPass database. Then we'll have to show it in order to buy food. Now you cannot protest, or you'll go hungry.

Ultimately, it's my deduction that the evil perpetrators will exploit their tyrannical powers to kill off the majority of the human race.


https://henrymakow.com/upload_images/Georgia_Guidestones-lowres.jpeg



Something like this has been planned for close to 40 years. See The Georgia Guidestones.


Please share this & please resolved to cooperate only with your fellow citizens in thwarting this diabolical crime.

UNIFIED NON-COOPERATION.

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Related:


Yeadon - Covid Vaccine Could be Linked to Infertility (https://newsrescue.com/doctors-former-pfizer-respiratory-vp-chief-scientific-advisor-file-petition-covid-vaccine-could-be-linked-to-infertility/)



Mark Trozzi web site (https://drtrozzi.com/)- Great videos and info



You may recall the April released Trozzi Production about Dr. Michael Yeadon entitled "Vaccine" Red Alert (https://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001tgC2xLe8HKbdptZo5mTSi3KazcIT85W-izdKN94NuXLpnjmeiMcXXc_ONdVSaWv58doROltdGrjhXtO2wTCsZFIAx4DQyQm_SbA9EopZ87rxDztkZGLNantRfH47vALtOfRx q7qZfJlJlCA52jRJuVCbo99C8rJMyqXnKwcSazUSFASKf-VLbg==&c=GmlW7imfDC5QnrFpqXzbNBbl7oiZzbJoT-zaF0EfSJpfKEZtBHRlWQ==&ch=kptqIeBaRdJC4JgULyKqJ3s2FTtG_gZCsrFkoRlaXmEr8RTiHtOLjw==).



Kabbalists Publicly Discuss Plot to Kill Millions (https://www.henrymakow.com/2021/08/Rabbis-Reveal-Kabbalist-Dogma-Behind-Genocide.html?_ga=2.61643108.971507920.1629325034-346964864.1627224119)



Rabbis reveal shockcing Holocaust Secrets (http://dprogram.net/adam-green/kabbalah-rabbis-reveal-shocking-holocaust-secrets/)

[Gemma13]

Thanks so much for US!!! you grok it, others grok it and why IS THAT???


Heck yeah :highfive:

Been studying and having a love/hate relationship with James Mahu's incredible work for over a decade.  Took me to hell and back.  Then Love Won.

Sorry for butting in :focus:

[Delight]

Thanks so much for US!!! you grok it, others grok it and why IS THAT???


Heck yeah :highfive:

Been studying and having a love/hate relationship with James Mahu's incredible work for over a decade.  Took me to hell and back.  Then Love Won.

Sorry for butting in :focus:

The OP is a complaint and the Sovereign Human is the only solution so IMO all relevant. The heart is the place of our power and Love always wins.

pt3bBFqLXLQ

IMO it's TIME to live the paradox. This is the Best of Times and The Worst of Times.

The Sovereign Integral Process:

Not being is the condition that is required for Being (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jnT-PvY2KRor9P71izy_uxgvzhMldp2j/view)


Your Being shines in All That Is.

Imagine that you are a large and splendid diamond. Your beauty and perfection is unique. But one day you stop believing in yourself and you think that you are only one facet of the diamond and that the other facets are other beings like you and, little by little, you cover that brightness with your thoughts of separation until one day you stop seeing your Light, forgetting that you are a beautiful diamond. But you do not lose your perception of separation, it is stronger than ever, because this is what reassures your belief that it's the right thing to do. You cannot accept that you are wrong because you are afraid. But Someone believes in you and wants to see your beauty shining again in the Universe and has been polishing this diamond little by little, so as not to scare you when you see your own radiance. Now you are ready to see your first shining Rays.

ACC-44s21Rc

[Denise/Dizi]

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removed because I was taught "Manners" and couldn't post what I wanted to...

[Mashika]

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removed because I was taught "Manners" and couldn't post what I wanted to...

If i were to say how or what else i experienced, or who is that family that i was born into, you would have a very different view of my words here.

I specifically have not said it all, not even the 5% of it. Because i don't want to and because it would make my life even more hell than already is

Liked i said, "it's a small club and regular citizens are not invited to the party"

It saddens me that you didn't see through my words, or understood that i was showing how young people are modelled that way, so that they eventually grow into monsters that disregard everyone else who they consider to be "below" them. I was just showing you a couple samples of it, so you would see. That was when i was a teen, and i realised after 16 what was happening and quit it all. I'm just expressing what i experienced back then, to give context

You are assuming that because i said *only* the things i said, and not everything i could said, i'm a spoiled brat, and "Middle of the road" and that's fine. I don't plan to say much more anymore, and even if i would, it would not matter at all. It would only bring me more pain than i can handle, with no gain to anyone at all,ever



Did you ever once, have the power to change the life of another, either financially, or by your own desires, other than being a bully? Because if you did not, you were not in a position of "corrupt power" at all, but fooling yourself because of your circumstances to believe this was true...

I have, and i still do in some ways, and that's why i thought that showing you guys how it feels, just by sharing how some experiences while growing up model the mind of people who later get into the higher levels of power, and how we growing up think of other people and how they act around us, and then that brings the current situation where politicians and others just think of other people as "pieces of the game" and "disposable". I'm just showing you a small aspect of how it all starts, i never said that was all of it



Their are millions of bullies, but only 1% of the population with the true power over the masses... untikl we adjust that with HARD WORK...

I renounced everything i had and moved to live my own life, going to public schools and working and earning my own right to live, on my own, so i know what HARD WORK is

I'm here and different than then because i understood that all of that was wrong, and as i have said, i have a lot of karma to pay and i understand that, and i'm not proud of who i was, i have said so many times, i am a monster and i regret it, and i try to change that since 7 years ago, day by day. I did not want to become that thing that i was setup to become, so i quit it all. And that meant lots and lots of pain over the years, because you just 'don't quit' without paying a very high price

Here's a thought to contemplate:

Maybe you are looking at this from your own country's point of view? But think and look into this.. How many Russian families were part of "The new Russians" after 1994 or so, and into the mid 2000's? Which ones were not living in a terrible crisis and poverty? Which ones are the ones that were suddenly able to rise to the top? It was a very very small number, in a country with 100 + million citizens, only around 30 families belonged to that category, and all of them came from the higher levels of power of the USSR and later the Russian government

How do you not realise that? In a country where most of the population was dying of hunger and had to eat scraps for years and years, and could not afford the most basic stuff some times. I was riding luxury trucks to private school, flew to vacation in Mexico in summer, also to the US and Spain, and other countries. And staid in luxury hotels. And I owned one of the most expensive computers in the world, when i was 7, while not even most people in the US could afford it or would ever think to buy it for a 7 year old kid. Context is important, and perspective as well

So anyone can think whatever of me, that's perfectly fine. I rather like it this way it's happening, so i can be at peace at least

ETA:

When you are growing up, and you are meant to become a 'leader' and occupy a position of power, you are thought and lead into being dehumanized, so that once you are there, you can make the cold decision that is required, while also knowing that people may die, or most likely will. And you have to do it and then go to a party or to sleep after a nice meal, so that you can getup early next day for another day of 'decisions' that may affect thousands. You need to take your heart away and think of the strategy, and the 'greater good' and then go and do what you need to do. And the way people mostly get trained for that, is to turn them into that 'bully' and 'spoiled brat' you were talking about, because otherwise you will never have the lack of heart to do the things you need to do, once you are in the position you were raised to be in

I hope that explains and corrects any misunderstandings, but if not, i'm truly sorry.



I hate to say it, but you sound more like a spoiled brat, than someone with actual intelligence and privilege... I thought that you were both wiser and more polite than that.. My mistake...

This, unfortunately, is what my life has always been. Always unable to tell the entire story, always misunderstood since i can't say all i want to say. Always considered like this, always rejected like that, always the same

It hurts tremendously bad, very honestly, that i never get a chance to explain myself before i'm judged and executed

I'm terrible sad i did not meet your expectations of me, but if you knew or had asked privately, i would probably have trusted you with more about me than i could ever possibly say here. But the story repeats once again. And it breaks me very hard, once more

Nothing about this is good, i made a mistake by coming to talk about this here on this thread, i can't keep my mouth shout

Then people will wonder, and ask, and try to figure out what family is that, and if it's true, and who is that person really, and if we can figure it out, then what?

And now it's about me and not about the topic. Another mistake was made, i should have not ever come here

In any case i don't want to keep talking about this

[Mike]

I think there has been quite a misunderstanding:

Earlier Mashika was making the point that power corrupts. I agreed that power corrupts, but added that this wasn't exclusive to politicians, that perhaps we'd all behave poorly if given such power over others.

She then told a very honest story of her past, demonstrating this point. She was in a position of influence and exploited that with some bullying. I don't think she was proud of it!:) The point was that we're all vulnerable to corruption and abuses of power when placed in positions of power.

Hope that helps.

[Rizotto]

Hi everybody. I joined several months ago, and have been looking up this wonderful site for information every now and then. I’m sorry that I haven’t been posting here as much as I would like, but I’ve been spending an incredible amount of time investigating the huge amount of information shared around the internet about the plandemic. I’m now posting here a stunning interview that I just watched. What this man says is something that many of us have been quietly suspecting was THE ENDGAME for the plandemic, but most of us didn’t dare say it out loud.

(This might belong in a new thread. Not sure how I can start one.)

I’m most interested to hear the Project Avalon members’ thoughts about the following interview. It’s on Bitchute, by TheCrowHouse, dated September 16, 2021, and entitled: “MUST WATCH!!! FUNERAL DIRECTOR JOHN O'LOONEY BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON COVID”. Here’s the link:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/gigUyK3yLtMU/?fbclid=IwAR14jJEiq07ABIaRWD10H1NEg2FAwLGtEOeA3c6OJ9WcJC_dmLy731Eh37w

[Denise/Dizi]

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removed because I was taught "Manners" and couldn't post what I wanted to...

If i were to say how or what else i experienced, or who is that family that i was born into, you would have a very different view of my words here.

I specifically have not said it all, not even the 5% of it. Because i don't want to and because it would make my life even more hell than already is

Liked i said, "it's a small club and regular citizens are not invited to the party"

It saddens me that you didn't see through my words, or understood that i was showing how young people are modelled that way, so that they eventually grow into monsters that disregard everyone else who they consider to be "below" them. I was just showing you a couple samples of it, so you would see. That was when i was a teen, and i realised after 16 what was happening and quit it all. I'm just expressing what i experienced back then, to give context

You are assuming that because i said *only* the things i said, and not everything i could said, i'm a spoiled brat, and "Middle of the road" and that's fine. I don't plan to say much more anymore, and even if i would, it would not matter at all. It would only bring me more pain than i can handle, with no gain to anyone at all,ever



Did you ever once, have the power to change the life of another, either financially, or by your own desires, other than being a bully? Because if you did not, you were not in a position of "corrupt power" at all, but fooling yourself because of your circumstances to believe this was true...

I have, and i still do in some ways, and that's why i thought that showing you guys how it feels, just by sharing how some experiences while growing up model the mind of people who later get into the higher levels of power, and how we growing up think of other people and how they act around us, and then that brings the current situation where politicians and others just think of other people as "pieces of the game" and "disposable". I'm just showing you a small aspect of how it all starts, i never said that was all of it



Their are millions of bullies, but only 1% of the population with the true power over the masses... untikl we adjust that with HARD WORK...

I renounced everything i had and moved to live my own life, going to public schools and working and earning my own right to live, on my own, so i know what HARD WORK is

I'm here and different than then because i understood that all of that was wrong, and as i have said, i have a lot of karma to pay and i understand that, and i'm not proud of who i was, i have said so many times, i am a monster and i regret it, and i try to change that since 7 years ago, day by day. I did not want to become that thing that i was setup to become, so i quit it all. And that meant lots and lots of pain over the years, because you just 'don't quit' without paying a very high price

Here's a thought to contemplate:

Maybe you are looking at this from your own country's point of view? But think and look into this.. How many Russian families were part of "The new Russians" after 1994 or so, and into the mid 2000's? Which ones were not living in a terrible crisis and poverty? Which ones are the ones that were suddenly able to rise to the top? It was a very very small number, in a country with 100 + million citizens, only around 30 families belonged to that category, and all of them came from the higher levels of power of the USSR and later the Russian government

How do you not realise that? In a country where most of the population was dying of hunger and had to eat scraps for years and years, and could not afford the most basic stuff some times. I was riding luxury trucks to private school, flew to vacation in Mexico in summer, also to the US and Spain, and other countries. And staid in luxury hotels. And I owned one of the most expensive computers in the world, when i was 7, while not even most people in the US could afford it or would ever think to buy it for a 7 year old kid. Context is important, and perspective as well

So anyone can think whatever of me, that's perfectly fine. I rather like it this way it's happening, so i can be at peace at least

ETA:

When you are growing up, and you are meant to become a 'leader' and occupy a position of power, you are thought and lead into being dehumanized, so that once you are there, you can make the cold decision that is required, while also knowing that people may die, or most likely will. And you have to do it and then go to a party or to sleep after a nice meal, so that you can getup early next day for another day of 'decisions' that may affect thousands. You need to take your heart away and think of the strategy, and the 'greater good' and then go and do what you need to do. And the way people mostly get trained for that, is to turn them into that 'bully' and 'spoiled brat' you were talking about, because otherwise you will never have the lack of heart to do the things you need to do, once you are in the position you were raised to be in

I hope that explains and corrects any misunderstandings, but if not, i'm truly sorry.



I hate to say it, but you sound more like a spoiled brat, than someone with actual intelligence and privilege... I thought that you were both wiser and more polite than that.. My mistake...

This, unfortunately, is what my life has always been. Always unable to tell the entire story, always misunderstood since i can't say all i want to say. Always considered like this, always rejected like that, always the same

It hurts tremendously bad, very honestly, that i never get a chance to explain myself before i'm judged and executed

I'm terrible sad i did not meet your expectations of me, but if you knew or had asked privately, i would probably have trusted you with more about me than i could ever possibly say here. But the story repeats once again. And it breaks me very hard, once more

Nothing about this is good, i made a mistake by coming to talk about this here on this thread, i can't keep my mouth shout

Then people will wonder, and ask, and try to figure out what family is that, and if it's true, and who is that person really, and if we can figure it out, then what?

And now it's about me and not about the topic. Another mistake was made, i should have not ever come here

In any case i don't want to keep talking about this

First Mashika, this thread was about governments lying, and Pfizer the pharmaceutical company.. So I was quite surprised to see your posts making claims about being in a family that expected you to end up in a position of power, and hence, your behaviors as a child, how you bullied other bullies, and felt powerful as a result.. Hence, power corrupts...

Perhaps it does, but I didn't quite understand what you were getting at, as you described privilege, much like my own kids had as they grew up... I worked hard to provide those things for them... Yet I was raised by a single mother.. Poor and worked hard to make it through to where I am now... But this doesn't mean my family is not affiliated with those in power, or with "Supposed power"

Let me say, my post was not a personal attack towards you.. But you said something that most may not notice..

"it's a small club and regular citizens are not invited to the party"

Please do tell me what family that you were born into, that puts you as an invitee to the party that most are not invited to? You neglect to "Name Drop", so let me tell you which family my family was/is linked to . My family is related by marriage to the Bush family... That would be the legacy of the PRESIDENTIAL BUSH FAMILY"..

I am not a fan of my "New" family members, so I was not the best friend of the "Secret Service" when I would call the White House and remind "George" not to embarrass my family name with his actions... ans YES I HAD THE COURAGE TO DO THIS... AND THEY DID CALL BACK!

As soon as I was informed of this, I took great interest in what this family did, and distanced myself as quickly as possible from being affiliated in any way with them.. It was entirely based upon my own moral, and family values... including those of my grandfather, who was robbed of all of his own inheritance from his older brother who was the one who had married into the family.. Richard Stevenson...

You can look it up... He robbed the family, and married into that one.. And was forever excluded and excommunicated from the family, only know as "Dick" from that moment on... So "Power" CAN INDEED hurt others... My family was no exception...

But I am curious, what family names do you hail from that are worthy of us believing that you are also in some way part of this elite club too? Let's compare notes1 Please, let's DO talk about this.. Privately if you wish? As you suggest you didn't get a chance to write more and explain... I would love to know more, and share what I know...

Because it seemed important enough to go off topic to discuss, and now you seem to have had a change of heart, which is a big deal to me! I do not want you to think that you disappointed me.. I was merely stunned to see what you had written , given my own history... And I had no idea that this was the case with you... And because you lacked details, I would love to hear more...

I am fascinated by power, and why some feel that it is ok to suppress the masses, and control them... and it is that we do have cultural differences, that I truly feel that the percentages that you left out of the conversation are extremely important, as I do respect your opinions... Please pm me?

And I do apologize if my post was harsh... as you can see my family history with such things was NOT a pleasant thing.. It was not meant to be directed at you specifically, I just got upset, and that was why I removed my comments hun...

Big Hugs,
Denise

[Mashika]

................

removed because I was taught "Manners" and couldn't post what I wanted to...

If i were to say how or what else i experienced, or who is that family that i was born into, you would have a very different view of my words here.

I specifically have not said it all, not even the 5% of it. Because i don't want to and because it would make my life even more hell than already is

Liked i said, "it's a small club and regular citizens are not invited to the party"

It saddens me that you didn't see through my words, or understood that i was showing how young people are modelled that way, so that they eventually grow into monsters that disregard everyone else who they consider to be "below" them. I was just showing you a couple samples of it, so you would see. That was when i was a teen, and i realised after 16 what was happening and quit it all. I'm just expressing what i experienced back then, to give context

You are assuming that because i said *only* the things i said, and not everything i could said, i'm a spoiled brat, and "Middle of the road" and that's fine. I don't plan to say much more anymore, and even if i would, it would not matter at all. It would only bring me more pain than i can handle, with no gain to anyone at all,ever



Did you ever once, have the power to change the life of another, either financially, or by your own desires, other than being a bully? Because if you did not, you were not in a position of "corrupt power" at all, but fooling yourself because of your circumstances to believe this was true...

I have, and i still do in some ways, and that's why i thought that showing you guys how it feels, just by sharing how some experiences while growing up model the mind of people who later get into the higher levels of power, and how we growing up think of other people and how they act around us, and then that brings the current situation where politicians and others just think of other people as "pieces of the game" and "disposable". I'm just showing you a small aspect of how it all starts, i never said that was all of it



Their are millions of bullies, but only 1% of the population with the true power over the masses... untikl we adjust that with HARD WORK...

I renounced everything i had and moved to live my own life, going to public schools and working and earning my own right to live, on my own, so i know what HARD WORK is

I'm here and different than then because i understood that all of that was wrong, and as i have said, i have a lot of karma to pay and i understand that, and i'm not proud of who i was, i have said so many times, i am a monster and i regret it, and i try to change that since 7 years ago, day by day. I did not want to become that thing that i was setup to become, so i quit it all. And that meant lots and lots of pain over the years, because you just 'don't quit' without paying a very high price

Here's a thought to contemplate:

Maybe you are looking at this from your own country's point of view? But think and look into this.. How many Russian families were part of "The new Russians" after 1994 or so, and into the mid 2000's? Which ones were not living in a terrible crisis and poverty? Which ones are the ones that were suddenly able to rise to the top? It was a very very small number, in a country with 100 + million citizens, only around 30 families belonged to that category, and all of them came from the higher levels of power of the USSR and later the Russian government

How do you not realise that? In a country where most of the population was dying of hunger and had to eat scraps for years and years, and could not afford the most basic stuff some times. I was riding luxury trucks to private school, flew to vacation in Mexico in summer, also to the US and Spain, and other countries. And staid in luxury hotels. And I owned one of the most expensive computers in the world, when i was 7, while not even most people in the US could afford it or would ever think to buy it for a 7 year old kid. Context is important, and perspective as well

So anyone can think whatever of me, that's perfectly fine. I rather like it this way it's happening, so i can be at peace at least

ETA:

When you are growing up, and you are meant to become a 'leader' and occupy a position of power, you are thought and lead into being dehumanized, so that once you are there, you can make the cold decision that is required, while also knowing that people may die, or most likely will. And you have to do it and then go to a party or to sleep after a nice meal, so that you can getup early next day for another day of 'decisions' that may affect thousands. You need to take your heart away and think of the strategy, and the 'greater good' and then go and do what you need to do. And the way people mostly get trained for that, is to turn them into that 'bully' and 'spoiled brat' you were talking about, because otherwise you will never have the lack of heart to do the things you need to do, once you are in the position you were raised to be in

I hope that explains and corrects any misunderstandings, but if not, i'm truly sorry.



I hate to say it, but you sound more like a spoiled brat, than someone with actual intelligence and privilege... I thought that you were both wiser and more polite than that.. My mistake...

This, unfortunately, is what my life has always been. Always unable to tell the entire story, always misunderstood since i can't say all i want to say. Always considered like this, always rejected like that, always the same

It hurts tremendously bad, very honestly, that i never get a chance to explain myself before i'm judged and executed

I'm terrible sad i did not meet your expectations of me, but if you knew or had asked privately, i would probably have trusted you with more about me than i could ever possibly say here. But the story repeats once again. And it breaks me very hard, once more

Nothing about this is good, i made a mistake by coming to talk about this here on this thread, i can't keep my mouth shout

Then people will wonder, and ask, and try to figure out what family is that, and if it's true, and who is that person really, and if we can figure it out, then what?

And now it's about me and not about the topic. Another mistake was made, i should have not ever come here

In any case i don't want to keep talking about this

First Mashika, this thread was about governments lying, and Pfizer the pharmaceutical company.. So I was quite surprised to see your posts making claims about being in a family that expected you to end up in a position of power, and hence, your behaviors as a child, how you bullied other bullies, and felt powerful as a result.. Hence, power corrupts...

Perhaps it does, but I didn't quite understand what you were getting at, as you described privilege, much like my own kids had as they grew up... I worked hard to provide those things for them... Yet I was raised by a single mother.. Poor and worked hard to make it through to where I am now... But this doesn't mean my family is not affiliated with those in power, or with "Supposed power"

Let me say, my post was not a personal attack towards you.. But you said something that most may not notice..

"it's a small club and regular citizens are not invited to the party"

Please do tell me what family that you were born into, that puts you as an invitee to the party that most are not invited to? You neglect to "Name Drop", so let me tell you which family my family was/is linked to . My family is related by marriage to the Bush family... That would be the legacy of the PRESIDENTIAL BUSH FAMILY"..

I am not a fan of my "New" family members, so I was not the best friend of the "Secret Service" when I would call the White House and remind "George" not to embarrass my family name with his actions... ans YES I HAD THE COURAGE TO DO THIS... AND THEY DID CALL BACK!

As soon as I was informed of this, I took great interest in what this family did, and distanced myself as quickly as possible from being affiliated in any way with them.. It was entirely based upon my own moral, and family values... including those of my grandfather, who was robbed of all of his own inheritance from his older brother who was the one who had married into the family.. Richard Stevenson...

You can look it up... He robbed the family, and married into that one.. And was forever excluded and excommunicated from the family, only know as "Dick" from that moment on... So "Power" CAN INDEED hurt others... My family was no exception...

But I am curious, what family names do you hail from that are worthy of us believing that you are also in some way part of this elite club too? Let's compare notes1 Please, let's DO talk about this.. Privately if you wish? As you suggest you didn't get a chance to write more and explain... I would love to know more, and share what I know...

Because it seemed important enough to go off topic to discuss, and now you seem to have had a change of heart, which is a big deal to me! I do not want you to think that you disappointed me.. I was merely stunned to see what you had written , given my own history... And I had no idea that this was the case with you... And because you lacked details, I would love to hear more...

I am fascinated by power, and why some feel that it is ok to suppress the masses, and control them... and it is that we do have cultural differences, that I truly feel that the percentages that you left out of the conversation are extremely important, as I do respect your opinions... Please pm me?

And I do apologize if my post was harsh... as you can see my family history with such things was NOT a pleasant thing.. It was not meant to be directed at you specifically, I just got upset, and that was why I removed my comments hun...

Big Hugs,
Denise

I'm sorry but i won't be saying one more word about this. I appreciate you much and i'm truly hurt that this happened, but even if not, this is something has happened all my entire life since i can remember. It's always that feeling and hurting

Right now i can't handle it, and this is not something i want to say on private since i just want to make sure it's final. I'm just not able to continue talking about anything anymore. It's too much, i'm overwhelmed honestly

I'm truly sorry for all this, i thought i was very clear and as Mike said, it was meant as a reply in context to what he said, i thought my answer was clear when he said "i don't know what i would do" and i said "i know"

But i'm not ready anymore to keep talking about painful thinks, so let's just move on

Also i'm sorry to derail this thread, i did not meant to, i understand this may upset people all around the forum and i'm truly sorry for it

I posted what i posted because i wanted to show you guys how people get brainwashed to later become the exact same people that lie openly while thinking they are doing "the right thing" and how heartless they can be with the choices they make, like this vaccination thing. *because for them, it doesn't matter*. Just like the feelings of my school mates or the teachers or other people mattered at all. Just "because i can step over you" was my way back then

I was a little kid, imagine what a grown up does after that kind of growing path, in 30 years later? It's total corruption, heartless, murderous, bestial way of thinking. That's all that it is, and i have seen it

That's all i have to say for now