The Great Separation/Quarantine?

[Gracy]

They will not be able to hide the truth much longer and sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population. And there will be science to back up the findings.

Hey there y'all,

I nearly tossed some questions out to mojo on the thread it was originally posted on, but quickly realized it was off topic, and would likely lead that particular subject astray. So here we are with a new topic.

I'm wondering not only how this idea might work, but how popular a separation solution might or might not be if push came to shove.

So here's some basic questions to get things rolling:

- Were it to be deemed by trusted experts that for the health and well being of society in general, that separating the vaxxed from the unvaxxed is the only way to safely move forward, would you support the idea?

- If so, what might be the best, and most humane way of orchestrating this separation, while ensuring it stays that way?

- How might it ultimately be determined who is vaxxed, and who is not? The vaxxed may understandably try to hide it, so would there need to be like the invention of a streamlined blood screening or something, that everyone must go through in order to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak?

- How could it be assured that the vaxxed have everything they need for their daily survival?

So anyway, that's about all I have for initial basic questions.

Looking forward to comments.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

A separation like you have described Gracy couldn't possibly happen IMO. There is no neat dividing line between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. Most importantly, you have families composed of both kinds of people, and I cannot imagine that families as well as close knit communities are going to voluntarily separate like that, even if there is science backing such a thing.

The only way I could see it happening is through the use of force. And as far as I can tell only the state has the kind of power to do something like that. Unlikely, as many countries are doing the opposite by pushing the vaccine very strongly, and locking out those who are unvaccinated. Look at my dear country. I can't go to a cafe as things stand.

If anyone is going to be permanently cast out to some detention centre or island it would be the unvaccinated. But even that I cannot see happening. You have a soft version of that happening already, and I suppose it could escalate, but I just can't imagine society going along with such a crazy thing. I know there is a lot of division right now, but I still don't think so much so that the above scenario is likely. I think we are all stuck in this together :sun:

Good questions Gracy. What do you think might happen?

[Pam]

They will not be able to hide the truth much longer and sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population. And there will be science to back up the findings.

Hey there y'all,

I nearly tossed some questions out to mojo on the thread it was originally posted on, but quickly realized it was off topic, and would likely lead that particular subject astray. So here we are with a new topic.

I'm wondering not only how this idea might work, but how popular a separation solution might or might not be if push came to shove.

So here's some basic questions to get things rolling:

- Were it to be deemed by trusted experts that for the health and well being of society in general, that separating the vaxxed from the unvaxxed is the only way to safely move forward, would you support the idea?

- If so, what might be the best, and most humane way of orchestrating this separation, while ensuring it stays that way?

- How might it ultimately be determined who is vaxxed, and who is not? The vaxxed may understandably try to hide it, so would there need to be like the invention of a streamlined blood screening or something, that everyone must go through in order to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak?

- How could it be assured that the vaxxed have everything they need for their daily survival?

So anyway, that's about all I have for initial basic questions.

Looking forward to comments. :nod:

Gracy, I can't help but feel like this is a sort of setup. It's sort of baiting as though the vaxxed are being victimized on this forum. Even the "looking forward to your comments" with a smily face emoji. At least that is what your post feels like to me. We all have free choice. We live with our decisions.

Let me tell you what I have done as someone who chooses not to take this vaccination and has been banned from volunteering, the gym , restaurants thus far. I have prepared by buying essentials and making myself as self sufficient as I possibly can be and in every aspect that is within my financial means to do. If I am sick, I stay home just like I have always done.

I understand I am not a victim in this. I could run down to any number of stores and get a vaccine today and when I've had 2 or 3 whatever they currently "mandate" as acceptable I will be able to go to restaurants, gyms and could probably volunteer again.

As someone who has had a history of addiction, I am pretty sure I could find some threads somewhere where people point out the issues of being an addict. They may even claim they don't want to be around addicts. If I don't want to hear it, I just don't look at it. Same thing with believing in Sasquatches. I am sure I could find someone disagreeing with me on that.

I for one, will not apologize for researching the injection, for searching for motives behind it, for looking into shedding. For looking at government planning. If you don't like the research, as I have said before, don't look at it. If you have valid alternative data that proves our research wrong, present it. Unless Bill tells me I am out of line, I am going to continue.

I for one, won't be dragged into your debate. Do you see yourself as a victim here?

You don't need to respond, I am not posting on this thread any longer, it would be counter productive.

[Nasu]

This very conversation is now being had by the vaxxed against the un vaxxed. I don't like the idea of separation, for any reason. Our kith and kin are both vaxxed and un vaxxed, who do we turn our backs on? I say no to separation on any grounds.

The logistics of finding the last of any group of separatists would entail local level intel, combined with local sympathizers and local to national reporting systems, allowing dry or wet teams to move in fast and either capture or kill them. Rinse and repeat until the last has been mopped up. Counter insurgency is the name of this strategy.

I don't like it. I don't like the implications of such conversations. I think we are better than this. I think we could better spend our time asking how to evade such techniques and tactics...

I hope and pray there is no great separation. Beyond the separation that we already have, via the many varied reasons we already use against our own species to cause separation of geography or culture or race or morality or kindness or logic.

Booooo boooooo, down with separation... Up with unity.......x..... N

[Ernie Nemeth]

I also agree with Pam.

To turn the tables on the question is not productive.

You cannot segregate for any reason, vaxed, unvaxed, white, black, or whatever.

You could remove the illegal immigrant, though. You could hunt down the criminals from abroad that now abound in the west. They could be tossed out of our countries. We could stop illegal mandates of all kinds. We could stop experimental injections on the population. We could reject the globalist wet dream.

But you cannot, for any reason, segregate the population. As soon as that subject is broached, like here, you can be sure freedom has left the building and tyranny has arrived.

[Tigger]

They will not be able to hide the truth much longer and sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population. And there will be science to back up the findings.

Hey there y'all,

I nearly tossed some questions out to mojo on the thread it was originally posted on, but quickly realized it was off topic, and would likely lead that particular subject astray. So here we are with a new topic.

I'm wondering not only how this idea might work, but how popular a separation solution might or might not be if push came to shove.

So here's some basic questions to get things rolling:

- Were it to be deemed by trusted experts that for the health and well being of society in general, that separating the vaxxed from the unvaxxed is the only way to safely move forward, would you support the idea?

- If so, what might be the best, and most humane way of orchestrating this separation, while ensuring it stays that way?

- How might it ultimately be determined who is vaxxed, and who is not? The vaxxed may understandably try to hide it, so would there need to be like the invention of a streamlined blood screening or something, that everyone must go through in order to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak?

- How could it be assured that the vaxxed have everything they need for their daily survival?

So anyway, that's about all I have for initial basic questions.

Looking forward to comments. :nod:

It would depend a great deal upon who the “trusted experts” really were. I am wondering why we would even need to make the distinction upon vaxxed vs. unvaxxed?

I mean, are you deliberately trying to draw a rift between the two?

As a former Biotechnology graduate, and having been complicit in the manufacture of vaccines (albeit in animal ‘health’, as distinct from human health products), I have to ask a powerful question:
Have we ever encountered such a social divide over who has been vaccinated with Hep-B? Or Cholera? Or Typhoid? And why not?

And so why now? What is C-19? Why is it so bad / health destroying / Novell? And where is the scientific data to support the premise?

And, as a follow-up question, has it ever been deemed necessary, in the 200MY history of the human race, to force the population to subject themselves to this version of medical tyranny?

Get perspective! Something is very, very wrong with this picture. I am sure enough of us are picking up on this perspective already.

No, this whole scam is a political movement, not a public health issue. Though I respect your viewpoint, I do not feel comfortable with the potentially divisive direction of your question, Gracy.

But let’s entertain the idea of a NEED to differentiate between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed. Why should we need to?

I mean, if you’re ‘vaxxed’ then logic dictates you are no longer in any danger of succumbing to the disease, yes? So why, on God’s green Earth, would the ‘vaxxed’ be so worried about anything {aka COVID-19} that will likely harm them? And, more to the point, why should they worry about the unvaxxed? If you’re jabbed, doesn’t that mean you are safe? Else, why would you take the shot?

Am I missing the point of your post?

[wondering]

To me, this type of speculation falls under the "what if" scenarios which I have very much been trying to avoid, both internally and in external discussion. I would rather use my creative powers to shore up the Truth, Light and Love which will overcome the deception, lies and fear that is so rampant and which is the real pandemic, IMO. Peace out, everyone!!

[Gracy]

But let’s entertain the idea of a NEED to differentiate between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed. Why should we need to?

I mean, if you’re ‘vaxxed’ then logic dictates you are no longer in any danger of succumbing to the disease, yes? So why, on God’s green Earth, would the ‘vaxxed’ be so worried about anything {aka COVID-19} that will likely harm them? And, more to the point, why should they worry about the unvaxxed? If you’re jabbed, doesn’t that mean you are safe? Else, why would you take the shot?

Am I missing the point of your post?

Seemingly so Tigger. My original post started out quoting a member saying that "sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population", thus my questions.

[avid]

Ah - Gracy (May) is still stirring the negativity pot.
Yes, we need a ‘prodder’, but this ‘moderator’ is deliberately infuriating, causing problems constantly, so bring it on ‘Gracy’, you must spend many hours challenging logic, in your ‘pleasant’ way.
Enough is enough of your patronising posts. Go away - you are totally negative here, despite commendably trying to promote alternative points of view, despite your name change, you are still who you are. Negative.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

A bit harsh avid I feel. I get that Gracy has different viewpoints on some major topics of concern, but she communicates in good faith. I think that is a good thing, it allows us to dig a bit deeper into why we believe what we do :heart:

[Chris Gilbert]

I'd say that while there's more examples at present of vaxxed/pro-vax people shunning the unvaxxed, sometimes the reverse is also true:

https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/qkdrgi/my_mother_upset_that_family_members_wont_even/


My mother is 60 years old and immunocomprimised, so she was the first in line to get vaccinated. Several others in my family were vaccinated without much fanfair too. Well apparently my cousin made the decision to sit the vaccinated at a table at the wedding that had an air filter next to it, so you could already tell who was vaccinated and who wasn't.

Apparently this set off the Q contingent. They would not even look at my mother, let alone speak to her. This really upset my mom. She has be apolitical in public pretty much her entire life and she was shocked that parts of her only family would refuse to make eye contact with her just because she was vaccinated.

She was shocked that the culture wars could get so bad that it even caused a divide in our tight knit family. I tried to make her feel better over our Facetime call but it was to no avail.

As I see it, shunning by either side is only making things worse, and we should not adopt the same divide and conquer tactics of the controllers.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

To lighten things up a bit, I sure hope that when we all get sent to re-education camp it is nothing like this :ROFL:

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[Delight]

When I saw the title of the OP, I was thinking... The GREAT separation of those who have assumed self/SELF creativity (and connection to the Creator) and those who are stuck under the wrapped cloak of victim/victimizer/savior 3D materiality.

I pray that we DO have this separation because I am just tired of the manipulation, the LIES, the stupidity and the sordid sad pitifulness which is a miasm.

Everyday I pray that the "sea parting" move forward. I am fearless about loosening the dregs of compensation for lack (all the ways the compensation appears). In the camp I will make with others, there is NO lack.

There is no need for any fear because in EVERY MOMENT we can choose again, choose FOR life and love and health and there we find what FREE (dominion) was meant for us. Each being is a light of creation and we were given the opportunity to throw off the shackles of the illusion that we ARE separate.

HAHA, the joke is on the puppeteers. They tried to separate us. They lost.

[avid]

Billy
I agree, but for ages it’s always playing ‘devil’s advocate’ interminably. We need folk - plural - but Gracy May has been consistently negative for many months, especially during the Trump fiasco. Is she going to now ‘kowtow’ to the Bidens, or Pelosi-poison? Has she switched allegiances ?

[Tigger]

But let’s entertain the idea of a NEED to differentiate between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed. Why should we need to?

I mean, if you’re ‘vaxxed’ then logic dictates you are no longer in any danger of succumbing to the disease, yes? So why, on God’s green Earth, would the ‘vaxxed’ be so worried about anything {aka COVID-19} that will likely harm them? And, more to the point, why should they worry about the unvaxxed? If you’re jabbed, doesn’t that mean you are safe? Else, why would you take the shot?

Am I missing the point of your post?

Seemingly so Tigger. My original post started out quoting a member saying that "sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population", thus my questions.


Ah, I see your point. Then let’s assume this happens. And let’s even extrapolate on this idea and decree that there SHOULD be a divide. Okay... is this a good thing? I’d wager it isn’t (based on the points I made above), but let’s assume that it is datum. Phew!

We’re looking at a form of social segregation and marginalisation that once happened some 70 years ago, in a little state called Germany. I’m not saying that things will pan out the way they did back then (but it wouldn’t be a stretch to imagine), although I want to sound the klaxon-horn that history is going to repeat itself if we’re not very, VERY careful and alert, because (IMO) humanity in general is far more interested in ‘what is’ rather than ‘what we really want to be’.

And herein lies the conundrum.

Someone is eventually gong to call me out on the analogies to the Star Trek clips I often make, but I feel this one is more than relevant, given the context:
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[Matthew]

Its just one step in the genocide checklist, not the end goal imho

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E70sUFZX0AAjkbe?format=jpg&name=900x900

[thepainterdoug]

Hi Gracy I will just respond without seeing much of what others have said. I WILL USE ALL CAPS FOR MY COMMENTS firing from the hip/

Hey there y'all, HI THERE TOO

I nearly tossed some questions out to mojo on the thread it was originally posted on, but quickly realized it was off topic, and would likely lead that particular subject astray. So here we are with a new topic.

I'm wondering not only how this idea might work, but how popular a separation solution might or might not be if push came to shove.
NOT POPULAR IN MY VIEW. IF THE TRUTH COULD JUST GET OUT THERE BY THE MSMEDIA, THEN THERE WOULDNT BE THIS DIVISION OR NEED TO SEPARATE ANYONE . THE MAKER OF THE PCR TEST SAID IT DOESNT WORK FOR THIS APPLICATION. ITS 97%FLAWED
THEY HAVE SWITCHED THE ISSUE FROM BEING "SICK ", TO JUST "TESTING POSITIVE". AS IF THAT WAS THE SICKNESS. THEY HAVE MADE READING THE MENU, AS IF EATING THE MEAL.
So here's some basic questions to get things rolling:

- Were it to be deemed by trusted experts that for the health and well being of society in general, that separating the vaxxed from the unvaxxed is the only way to safely move forward, would you support the idea? THERE ARE NO TRUSTED EXPERTS THAT CAN GET A VOICE, BECAUSE THE ENTIRE THING IS A PLAN. TRUSTED EXPERTS ARE ABUNDANT, LIKE DR DAVID MARTIN, REINER FUELLMACH, MIKE YEADON, DR PETER MCCULLOUGH AMERICAN FRONTIER DOCTORS ETC ETC .

- If so, what might be the best, and most humane way of orchestrating this separation, while ensuring it stays that way? THERE WILL BE NO AGREEMENT ON ANY OF THIS BECUASE THE GOAL IS NOT FOR US TO AGREE ON ANYTHING . THE GOAL IS TO HAVE US DIVIDED IN ANGER AND HATRED OF EACH OTHER AS THEIR OTHER PLANS GET PUT THRU. THIS BATTLE IS MAKING EVEN THE STRONGEST WARRIORS WEARY AND EXHAUSTED.

- How might it ultimately be determined who is vaxxed, and who is not? The vaxxed may understandably try to hide it, so would there need to be like the invention of a streamlined blood screening or something, that everyone must go through in order to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak? THE SCREENING WOULD BE USED AGINST EVERYONE AS A DNA BANK.
THE VAXX IS NOT A VACCINE.
PRIOR TO THE ELECTION STEAL, BIDEN HARRIS SAID, NO WAY THEY WOULD TAKE IT ! DONT KNOW WHATS IN IT ? WONT TAKE IT IF ITS TRUMPS ! NOW THE SAME THING IS BEING MANDATED? REALLY? HOW CAN ANYONE TAKE THIS CRAP? ITS POLITICAL, BOUGHT AND ALL BS JUST LIKE GOV MURPHY TESTING THE ELECTION WATERS TO SEE IF HE SHOULD ROLL OUT THE MANDATE ? THOUGHT THIS WAS A PANDEMIC AND HEALTH ISSUE?.
HOW CAN ANYONE TAKE THIS CRAP?

- How could it be assured that the vaxxed have everything they need for their daily survival ? THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT ALL IF THEY ARE VAXXED. NO NEED FOR MASK, NO NEED FOR FEAR FROM VAXED OR UNVAXED. FREE TO SHOP AS PART OF THE JABB CLUB .
DID YOU MEAN HOW THE UNVAXED WILL HAVE WHAT THEY NEED? THEY ARE THE ONES BEING OSTRACIZED !

ITS ALL A CON GAME!

So anyway, that's about all I have for initial basic questions. ME TOO. THANKS

Looking forward to comments.
BYE

[Billy]

Don't fall into the illusionary trap of separation
I shall continue to love and care for all my family and friends unconditionally whether they are vaccinated or unvaccinated :bearhug:

[Delight]

Don't fall into the illusionary trap of separation
I shall continue to love and care for all my family and friends unconditionally whether they are vaccinated or unvaccinated :bearhug:

One of the most important people to influence me was John Trudell. He was an American activist who overcame great personal horror when his family was deliberately murdered by arson. There is so much that he said but one thing was "We are human beings". Our being comes from relationship to the earth. We as humans are being mined. We have been trapped.

wNBzAWOVTZo



We Are All Related
The Lakota Holy Man Black Elk’s Vision for Peace on Earth
By Nathan Beacom
OCTOBER 12, 2020

“Every man wants to huff and puff
their warriorness,” he said.
“But the real work is peace.”

—Trevino L. Brings Plenty

Abeat-up old Humvee growled up to the light at 6th and Main in downtown Rapid City, South Dakota. There was a little Confederate flag sticker on its window. On the street corner was a tiny group of social justice demonstrators. Among the young white activists was also one Lakota man, probably in his sixties; holding a sign that said “Native Lives Matter,” he walked up to the Humvee and tried to initiate a conversation with its driver. The murmur of their speech grew louder as the driver’s face became upset and he shook his head in anger. My friend Reed and I were leaning up against an electrical box nearby having a smoke, and we could feel the rising tension in the scene. In the nick of time, the light turned green, the demonstrators went to pull their fellow protestor back onto the sidewalk, and the driver roared off down the road. We all breathed a small sigh of relief.
The day before, Reed and I had hiked up Black Elk Peak, the highest prominence on this side of the Rockies. The mountain is a sacred one for the Lakota, for whom it and the surrounding Black Hills represent the “heart of everything that is.” Black Elk, the Lakota holy man for whom the peak was recently renamed, called it Okawita Paha, the gathering place. The course of Black Elk’s life was set by a vision of this peak he had seen while comatose at the age of nine, and the circle of his life was completed when he finally climbed it as an old man. There, at the highest point, he prayed his final prayer: that the Great Spirit would gather together the peoples of the earth and lead them on the good red road to the day of quiet.

In his prayers, Nick Black Elk (“Nick” was added to his name after his baptism) often returned to the phrase “we are all related.” Maka Black Elk, a descendant of Nick’s and an educator at Pine Ridge’s Red Cloud Indian School, tells me that this is a central concept in Lakota tradition, as important as the word “amen” is in Christianity. For Lakota Catholics like Black Elk, the two could be said together. A harmony was felt between the Lakota concept of relatedness and the Catholic notion of the relationship of all things as they find their source in the Trinity. This idea, in its different expressions, and in spite of the complex history of Catholic-Lakota relations, is a recognition of the interwoven dignity of creation. Because we are all related, coming from the same source, we owe every creature respect and should approach each thing with reverence. This is true of all the many peoples, and it is true also of the four-legged creatures, the flying things, the land, the water, and the sky. We are all related.

“I was standing on the highest mountain of them all, and round about beneath me was the whole hoop of the world.” —Nick Black Elk

I think of this notion as I remember that brief encounter in Rapid City; I think of it, too, as I observe the tone of so many of our public disagreements today. The anger, fear, and lack of trust that define our political and social interactions can make it difficult to understand how we could all belong to the same family. And yet, rejecting the notion that we belong to one another is at the heart of all historical crimes; the history of the Black Hills bears this out.

To think of ourselves as related means to recognize that we stand in a network of mutual obligation and care with each person with whom we come into contact. As we know, the US government and American settlers more often treated native peoples with suspicion, violence, and unfaithfulness than with such concern. This fact continues to show its ill effects today.

Still, this truth is our only hope for addressing and setting right this ongoing history: you are my relative, and I am yours. Believing and acting this way is the work of peace, for all of us of every heritage, and it is the road we must take if we are to reconcile past hurts and to share this country in friendship.

If traveling across the empty, treeless plains, you find yourself at the Pole of Inaccessibility, you will know you have almost made it. You have come past the badlands and journeyed many miles without seeing any signs of activity beyond the endless advertisements for Wall Drug. You are at North America’s most inaccessible point, the furthest from any shore. This is the Pine Ridge Reservation, and a couple of miles ahead of you is Oglala Lakota County, the poorest county, per capita, in the country.
Follow the Big Foot Trail up to Highway 44, and you’ll be on your way to Rapid City, a growing community with a beautiful downtown that constitutes the gateway to the Black Hills beyond. Those hills are dotted with tourists and people making money off tourists. They also belong by treaty to the Lakota Sioux. The land was famously stolen from them in the 1870s in a move the United States has still not found the wherewithal to reverse, despite admitting wrongdoing. The pattern today is not altogether different from the days when George Armstrong Custer ran around the East Coast shouting that the Black Hills were chock full of gold. There was plenty of lucre moving about in the hills, but the Lakota saw little of it.

After the Black Hills gold rush, conflict with the tribes of the Dakotas began in earnest. As President Ulysses S. Grant admitted, the trouble grew out of the “avarice of the white man, who has violated our treaty stipulations in his search for gold.” Over the course of the several years following Custer’s announcement, the United States government tried several gambits to buy the Black Hills from the tribes, but its overtures were consistently met with resistance. To the tribes, the Black Hills simply were not something to be put up for sale. In response, US military officials became increasingly aggressive and the situation continued to escalate. The famous names of the events that followed and their leading figures are familiar: Little Bighorn, Greasy Grass, Wounded Knee, Red Cloud, and Crazy Horse.

Black Elk was involved with each of these. He belonged to Red Cloud’s band, he fought as a mere child at Little Bighorn, he was the cousin of Crazy Horse, and he tried to save his people at Wounded Knee. The vision that he was given as a boy foretold hunger, sickness, and violence, and he lived to see all these things and more. These were the days when the people walked on the thunderous black road of trouble. But in his vision the grandfathers, who signify the powers of the earth, had also told Black Elk of another road, the good red road which led to peace. “All over the universe they have finished a day of happiness,” an unseen voice said to him. “Behold this day, for it is yours to make.”

“To open the doors of solidarity, we have to begin by reckoning with what has divided us.” —Maka Black Elk

But how to arrive at this day? In his vision the grandfathers gave Black Elk a sacred red stick which, when placed in the center of the sacred hoop, bloomed into a waga chun, the tree that signaled the day of quiet. As the vision came to its end, the grandfathers took Black Elk to the peak in the Black Hills that would one day bear his name. The hoop of his people now joined the hoop of the whole human family and all of creation.

I was standing on the highest mountain of them all, and round about beneath me was the whole hoop of the world. And while I stood there I saw more than I can tell and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of all things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being. And I saw that the sacred hoop of my people was one of many hoops that made one circle, wide as daylight and as starlight, and in the center grew one mighty flowering tree to shelter all the children of one mother and one father.

Mitákuye Oyásiŋ is the Lakota way of saying “we are all related.” In Maka’s description, it is a phrase that points to the interdependence of all things. The Covid-19 pandemic and the ecological threats of our time, he notes, are excellent examples of this truth. It is an idea that is both practical and philosophical. On the practical level, it applies to that sense of communal care that defines the relationship between neighbors. On a philosophical level, it means that the world and all that is in it comes from the same divine source, that each piece of creation affects, depends upon, and participates in the life of the others.
As Black Elk saw, this notion resonates with elements of Christian tradition. Pope Francis has emphasized these threads in the spirituality of his namesake, St. Francis of Assisi, the Italian beggar who gave to Christianity the language of Brother Sun, Sister Moon, Sister Water, and Mother Earth. It is in the same spirit that the pope speaks in his letter on the care for our common home, “The Spirit, infinite bond of love, is intimately present at the very heart of the universe, inspiring and bringing new pathways.” Speaking in terms that might almost fit into Black Elk’s vision, Francis goes on:

Creatures tend towards God, and in turn it is proper to every living being to tend towards other things, so that throughout the universe we can find any number of constant and secretly interwoven relationships. . . . The human person grows more, matures more, and is sanctified more to the extent that he or she enters into relationships, going out from themselves to live in communion with God, with others, and with all creatures.

Black Elk’s spiritual message culminated in the call to bring all peoples within the sacred hoop, to smoke with them the pipe of peace, and to enjoy the abundance of the tree of life. To think this way is to place limits on our self-centered wills, our desires, and our pleasures, because it means our lives are not about ourselves, but about the family to which we belong.

The history of the exploitation of the land and of indigenous peoples in this country belongs to, as Ulysses S. Grant put it, avarice – a greed that denied the dignity of people along with the land they held sacred. To see the Black Hills as only a place to pan for gold, drill for oil and gas, or extract money from tourists is to miss what the Lakota know them to be – and to treat the people who cherish them with the same disregard. And to see people as obstacles to success rather than siblings to be cherished is to lose sight of the true relations of things.

None of us is independent. For our very survival we always stand in need of the support, instruction, and aid of others, that we might, as Black Elk put it, “live together as one being.” Just as we depend on the earth for food, water, and air, we depend on people for the things that are most important to us: beauty, joy, friendship, love. This dependence implies responsibility, for just as we depend upon others, so they depend upon us.

Black Elk Peak
Black Elk Peak Photograph courtesy of the author

Today, if Americans detached from reservation life have any impression of what that life is like, it is likely they will associate it with poverty, unemployment, and addiction. These are realities that reservations do face, just like many rural communities around the country. Like those other out-of-the-way communities, though, reservation towns are more than just the sum of their deficits. The disproportionate effects of these problems on many tribal communities is evidence of the injustices of the past visited upon them. The wounds of that injustice still needs healing, and the sad truth is that, for many Americans, the response is simply a lack of any fraternal care. I think of that old man in Rapid City who felt compelled to stand on a street corner and say a word for Native dignity, a message that is too seldom voiced outside tribal communities, much less heard.
The Red Cloud Indian School website lists a litany of facts all too familiar to folks on the reservation, but of which many Americans remain largely ignorant. Among these striking figures about Pine Ridge are the following:

49 percent of residents live below the federal poverty line.
The infant mortality rate is five times higher than the US national average.
Obesity, diabetes, and heart disease occur in epidemic proportions.
Life expectancy is the lowest in the United States – twenty years less than communities just four hundred miles away – and on par with the countries of India, Sudan, and Iraq.
Yet the story of Pine Ridge is much more than a story about hardship and neglect. “Reservations like mine are hobbled through the singular lens through which they are viewed,” Maka says, a lens defined by “stories of addiction, abuse, and despair.” It is not that these stories aren’t real; it’s that they are reductive. Pine Ridge is not just a place of poverty and struggle, but a community that has its own identity and agency, and one that is “innovative, resistant, and resilient.” Despite the unique challenges a given community might face, “the cycle of our daily lives shows us we have more in common than we care to admit.”

This is the grounds for being a good neighbor to Native communities, not in a way that caricatures them or paints them as mere objects of philanthropy, but simply as neighbors, as relatives. Maka notes that too often, when indigenous people leave their communities, they encounter a world “that at its worst questions their very existence and at its best views indigenous identity as a carnival sideshow or a fun factoid.” One important way to counteract this is for the public to be better educated and engaged on indigenous culture and history. To “imagine ourselves in relationship” is to take the first steps toward solidarity and reconciliation, rejecting the extremes of neglect or a “savior mentality” to build real bonds of mutual support.

As Black Elk grew old, he was troubled, not unlike the biblical prophets, by what he had seen among his people. He had been given a task by God, he believed, to save them; and yet he had seen them become victims and doers of violence, he had seen them lose the bison and the traditional ways, he had seen hunger and poverty. In the latter part of his life, he found a new sense of mission in the Catholic faith, and he traveled about the northern plains ministering to, instructing, and giving comfort to people. He did not see this new faith as opposed to Lakota culture and heritage. It has been said by Lakota Catholics that he could pray with the pipe in one hand and the rosary in the other.
His dim eyes grew sad in those final years, but he never gave up hope for his people or for the reconciliation of all people. He was perhaps a little too hard on himself, too; his life, hidden as it sometimes was, had its incalculably diffusive effects upon the Lakota community and the whole world. His words of prayer and teaching have resonated with Americans ever since they became widely known in the 1930s.

“The Spirit, infinite bond of love, is intimately present at the very heart of the universe, inspiring and bringing new pathways.” —Pope Francis

Those words of solidarity are carried on today by many who work in the same spirit, including his descendant, Maka Black Elk. After leaving the reservation for his higher education, Maka returned to bring his gifts to the young people of his community. In pouring into the place that poured into him as a child, Maka’s work is an example of the virtuous cycle of solidarity that runs counter to the cycles of isolation and individualism that hamper human flourishing today. Just this year, he was named executive director of Truth and Healing, a project at Red Cloud with the purpose of seeking reconciliation around the fraught history of the old Catholic boarding schools.

Maka identifies a crucial obstacle to fulfilling the dream of solidarity between people: the lack of trust. This comes, in part, from dishonesty in leaders, media organizations, and schools. It also comes from the ways in which we build walls against our neighbors. “To open the doors of solidarity,” Maka says, “we have to begin by reckoning with what has divided us.” This means being truthful about the hidden wounds that are the source of our fear and distrust of our neighbors. There is a role that historical education has to play here, but there is a concrete role that community life plays, too. Now is not the time to retreat into defensive formations with the likeminded. This reaction almost inevitably reduces outsiders into something less than human. The solution instead is to become involved in the lives of people near us who are unlike us.

“Lastly, there is only one important law,” Black Elk wrote to the people of Pine Ridge in 1907, “to love one another; So then, we have always known one basic law that we have heard over and over, that a good man always has the Great Spirit in our hearts toward one another and to be thankful for each other; so for you we are here. We are all related.”

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[Gracy]

Billy
I agree, but for ages it’s always playing ‘devil’s advocate’ interminably. We need folk - plural - but Gracy May has been consistently negative for many months, especially during the Trump fiasco. Is she going to now ‘kowtow’ to the Bidens, or Pelosi-poison? Has she switched allegiances ?

Dang avid, for the life of me I don’t know how this thread has anything to do with switching of allegiances, I don’t even have any political allegiances as I trust none of the factions involved, and this thread is not even about politics. Although I do grant you, that much of this stuff *is* politicized to a very high degree.

A highly valued member posted, in a very casual manner, posted a sad truth that the vaxxed will need to be separated from the healthy population at a certain point. *Please re-read the OP* for this vitally important context in why this “divisive” thread was created in the first place.

So I wondered aloud how many more might agree with this sentiment, and if so, questions on logistics as to how that might be done followed. What I’m essentially getting at, is have you thought this through?

I won’t apologize questioning such an idea, or asking other such uncomfortable questions, but what really boggles my mind is that the idea itself didn’t raise any eyebrows, but the questioning of it ignited a firestorm.

I’ve purposely left out my own personal point of view out, but it looks like I had better do so now, it can be seen below. I’m steadfast against any sort of separating “the other”, regardless of which side of the equation suggests it.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1459790#post1459790

[Sue (Ayt)]

Both sides of separation thinking are fear-based.

The folks I admire most are those not fearful - vaxxed who would not hesitate to minister to the non-vaxxed in time of need, and non-vaxxed who would do the same for the vaxxed. Those who value most their humanity/soul.

I remember reading stories about previous plagues and pandemics, where there were those who did not hesitate to care for the ill, when they were shunned by others. In my opinion, those are the shining souls, and that is what I aspire to be.
:flower:

[avid]

Gracy, thanks for your response. Much appreciated. However, you have always taken a contentious viewpoint. We need folk to question both sides, granted, thank you for that, but instead of being levelled, you often antagonise folk by questioning the narrative to the point of being aggressive. I mentioned this to you weeks ago, and asked you to chill. Since then you’ve changed your name, and have been more ‘approachable’, but now, I am feeling you are reverting to your olde self. Sorry, but I really don’t like the argumentative stance you often pose. We obviously would not get along - sadly.

[yelik]

We are already subjected to separation in many ways. Reversing the great lies and deceptions is not likely to happen unless the vaxxed start to become ill, psychologically different or pass away before their time - I hope not.

[iota]

i do not believe there actually WAS a "switch" in allegiance,

is this in reference to displayed temperance, prior to being a mod?

one subsequently revealed to be inauthentic by repeated lack of restraint after becoming a moderator?

her allegiance is actually quite defined and CLEAR

perhaps confusion arises because the avatar of the comment is a moderator

instead of someone like Old Student instead

replace Old Student as the poster? and the "allegiance" comes CLEARLY into focus

:facepalm:




I don’t even have any political allegiances


i don't have much time to respond to this as adequately and as thoroughly as i certainly can right now

so for now, i will just ask a question:


Gracy

can you please explain:

in absence of an allegiance you NOW claim?

one which is completely incongruent with both your actions and your words?

what was the purpose and intent behind the deluge of posts almost exclusively in the political threads

where you exhibited a SPECIFIC confrontational, oppositional stance? relentlessly?
(i can provide examples if needed)

though couched in protest of "i don't want to beat a dead horse?

while beating it unmercifully, beyond recognition?

PS .. i'd also like FULL disclosure of ANY member YOU have personally called on to come in this thread now, as you have done to mine in the past. please name them now and refrain from doing that in the future

[Nasu]

i do not believe there actually WAS a "switch" in allegiance,

is this in reference to displayed temperance, prior to being a mod?

one subsequently revealed to be inauthentic by repeated lack of restraint after becoming a moderator?

her allegiance is actually very CLEAR

perhaps confusion arises because the avatar of the comment is a moderator

instead of someone like Old Student instead

place his name as the poster? and the "allegiance" comes CLEARLY into focus

:facepalm:




I don’t even have any political allegiances


i don't have much time to respond to this as adequately and as thoroughly as i certainly can right now

so for now, i will just ask a question:


Gracy

can you please explain:

in absence of an allegiance you NOW claim?

one which is completely incongruent with both your actions and your words?

what was the purpose and intent behind the deluge of posts almost exclusively in the political threads

where you exhibited a SPECIFIC confrontational, oppositional stance? relentlessly?
(i can provide examples if needed)

though couched in protest of "i don't want to beat a dead horse?

while beating it unmercifully, beyond recognition?

PS .. i'd also like FULL disclosure of ANY member YOU have personally called on to come in this thread now, as you have done to mine in the past. please name them now and refrain from doing that in the future

With the greatest of respect, I do think this post is putting a warm blanket on a dead horse. Please return to your corners! Let's try and stay on topic. Perhaps we could construct a members only section where people can spar out their differences, until then, please, please play nice....x.... N

[iota]

Perhaps we could construct a members only section where people can spar out their differences, until then, please, please play nice....x.... N


Nasu

your respect is GREATLY appreciated, the general consensus is that its lack has had an impact and repercussions

as such, i have no particular attachment to WHERE she provides an explanation

but an explanation IS NECESSARY

as is a satisfactory explanation as to the intention and purpose behind this thread whose very topic IS divisive inherently

would be NEEDED in knowing how to comment appropriately

feelings of being set up? (expressed by another) are not arbitrary, rather born of wisdom that comes from experience

the OP has thrived on "baiting" in the past, repeatedly. members here did not find it amusing OR respectful to be subject to mind games or fodder for her amusement

we do not need to be subjected to that again

PS

regrettably, your post holds an incorrect inference that this is a personal issue between Gracy and i

when the issue was in existence long before my arrival

my only involvement is a willingness to address it

and it should surprise NO ONE that i have been well thanked for doing so

[Sérénité]

From where I’m stood, there’s no ‘experts’ required to put the segregation of vaxxed and unvaxxed into motion.

I only know of a handful of people who haven’t been vaxxed, myself included and we all have one thing in common...being shunned from those who are vaccinated.

Such as friends not wanting to know us anymore as we are; conspiracy theorists, crazy, unhealthy, a potential hazard to them...

My daughters new driving instructor took her for (her first and final) lesson recently and 5 minutes in, asked her was she vaxxed. She said no. He rang after to say he couldn’t give her any further lessons as “cases are rising and you’re unvaccinated and I can’t take the risk...”

Her grandfather is also using the promise of buying her a horse to get her to get vaccinated too. He doesn’t speak to me anymore as I’m apparently putting my children’s lives at risk for not getting them jabbed.

The list goes on, but one thing is very clear...
It’s the vaccinated people in my experience who are pushing away and causing a divide.
No help from the ‘experts’ or authorities is needed, the people seem to be policing this for themselves just fine!

Another thing I notice is a lot of vaccinated people wishing harm or death on those not jabbed from Covid.
Nobody I know is wishing harm to the vaccinated people, if anything we are trying to warn and protect them...which is clearly falling on hateful and angry ears in my experience so far.

It’s nice that here on Avalon we are respectful to both sides, regardless of ours or their decision. That’s not something I’m seeing anymore in the real world around me sadly...

[BoR]

Where I live, as in many other places around the world, there is already an active separation. We had a soft separation starting in October 2020 and ending in June 2021 with mandatory masks.

Since September 2021 we have full blown fascism, where people are forced to have a medical procedure (either a vax or a PCR-test that is valid for only a few hours) if they want to enter a (movie) theater, concert or restaurant. This Friday this will also be needed for entering a public swimming pool, amusement park or museum. And the same rules for masks will be implemented again.

So separation is not a hypothetical situation here anymore. It is already a fact here. And of course, they will take more steps they are already announcing: the removal of the PCR test as an option, the implementation of the vax passport in all other areas of life. They are not hiding their plans anymore.

The Dutch people better do something now and I have a feeling a lot of the vaxxed people are going to join the resistance, because I know from observing them that until now they really thought they never had to wear a mask or practice social distancing again. And now more and more vaxxed people get the virus anyway and a part of them end up in the hospital, which means they finally realize the vax didn’t do …[poop]. And so the reasoning the increase of covid is all because of the unvaccinated will not be believed by many. It is going to be some interesting time here..

If the people accept it on the other hand, the separation train will go until completion, which means total exclusion and then ‘dealing with the problem’, which means extermination or at gunpoint forced vaccination. Unless of course the vaxxed die pretty rapidly because of the shot, than there will be the Separation of Separations, the living vs the dead.

I still do firmly believe the sociopaths will fail though, the question is: how rough will the situation have to get before that happens? We will see.

[Gracy]

Another thing I notice is a lot of vaccinated people wishing harm or death on those not jabbed from Covid.

Nobody I know is wishing harm to the vaccinated people, if anything we are trying to warn and protect them...which is clearly falling on hateful and angry ears in my experience so far.


Well Serenite, I'm not here to be an apologist for bad things done by the vaxxed toward the unvaxxed. See my comments on Noam Chomsky:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1459790#post1459790

My point is what do we think of the idea put forth by a member here, that in time science will find that the vaxxed need to be separated from healthy society as quoted below, and referenced at the very beginning of my OP:


They will not be able to hide the truth much longer and sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population. And there will be science to back up the findings.

This is not a vaxxed vs. unvaxxed thread, this is a what do people in power do thread. Right now we hate the people in power, and the way that they are wielding that immense power.

If/when the long expected power flip happens, and people like us here on this forum find ourselves in control, what do we think of ideas like this?

[iota]

Where I live, as in many other places around the world, there is already an active separation. We had a soft separation starting in October 2020 and ending in June 2020 with mandatory masks.

Since September 2021 we have full blown fascism, where people are forced to have a medical procedure (either a vax or a PCR-test that is valid for only a few hours) if they want to enter a (movie) theater, concert or restaurant. This Friday this will also be needed for entering a public swimming pool, amusement park or museum. And the same rules for masks will be implemented again.

So separation is not a hypothetical situation here anymore. It is already a fact here. And of course, they will take more steps they are already announcing: the removal of the PCR test as an option, the implementation of the vax passport in all other areas of life. They are not hiding their plans anymore.

The Dutch people better do something now and I have a feeling a lot of the vaxxed people are going to join the resistance, because I know from observing them that until now they really thought they never had to wear a mask or practice social distancing again. And now more and more vaxxed people get the virus anyway and a part of them end up in the hospital, which means they finally realize the vax didn’t do …[poop]. And so the reasoning the increase of covid is all because of the unvaccinated will not be believed by many. It is going to be some interesting time here..

If the people accept it on the other hand, the separation train will go until completion, which means total exclusion and then ‘dealing with the problem’, which means extermination or at gunpoint forced vaccination. Unless of course the vaxxed die pretty rapidly because of the shot, than there will be the Separation of Separations, the living vs the dead.

I still do firmly believe the sociopaths will fail though, the question is: how rough will the situation have to get before that happens? We will see.

i agree completely with your analysis

i took exception with ops wording of "trusted experts"

i agree with Doug, that there ARE experts, but that they will be suppressed

but the MAIN issue IS as you have highlighted, that


we have full blown fascism in the process of taking control

IS the very issue at the heart of everything

THE REAL question that will be hidden in ALL messages? IS

DO they have the RIGHT to dictate our freedom and CHOICE?

this question WILL be the one our enemies WILL DO all they can to distract us from

and re-direct focus, attention and discussion away from

presenting the question as to the most humane way of doing this?

holds an inherent presumption of their RIGHT to do so

BY obfuscation of this issue? > it will go unchallenged

FREEDOM and CHOICE are inherent RIGHTS of humanity

they are RIGHTS > NO ONE has the right to remove

so an inquiry as to a "humane" way to VIOLATE our rights? enslave us? and subject us to their will?

is akin to offering us a cookie as they lead us to chains


The Dutch people better do something now and I have a feeling a lot of the vaxxed people are going to join the resistance,

i would enlarge that to encompass the world ... as people everywhere are the ultimate target


If the people accept it

IS the crux of the matter.

BE AWARE >> ALL Information from this point?

WILL hide an inherent presumption of their right to remove freedom until it is accepted

BY hiding this inherent presumption? it automatically goes unchallenged

intentional obfuscation IS "key" to their success

they will have us fighting about reasons to remove freedom instead of their right to do so

CLARIFICATION and focus belongs instead on challenging their RIGHT

challenging the VERY presumption of a right that is NOT theirs to take

nor CAN it be "taken" from us ... it can ONLY be relinquished by us

distractions will be presented to confuse and re-direct our attention from the ACTUAL crux of the matter

WHILE the people are distracted as to whether the vaxed or unvaxed are dangerous?

their RIGHT to remove freedom, becomes subliminally accepted, and presumed to be valid

therefore remain unchallenged

this will end ONLY when people REFUSE to be subjugated all else is a distraction

[PurpleLama]

Another thing I notice is a lot of vaccinated people wishing harm or death on those not jabbed from Covid.

Nobody I know is wishing harm to the vaccinated people, if anything we are trying to warn and protect them...which is clearly falling on hateful and angry ears in my experience so far.


Well Serenite, I'm not here to be an apologist for bad things done by the vaxxed toward the unvaxxed. See my comments on Noam Chomsky:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1459790#post1459790

My point is what do we think of the idea put forth by a member here, that in time science will find that the vaxxed need to be separated from healthy society as quoted below, and referenced at the very beginning of my OP:


They will not be able to hide the truth much longer and sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population. And there will be science to back up the findings.

This is not a vaxxed vs. unvaxxed thread, this is a what do people in power do thread. Right now we hate the people in power, and the way that they are wielding that immense power.

If/when the long expected power flip happens, and people like us here on this forum find ourselves in control, what do we think of ideas like this?

One thing is certain, while all else is speculation, that those who buy in to mainstream media are fed a steady diet of "safe and effective" while those who chose so called alternative sources of information are led to distrust all of the "science" that we have been ordered to trust. So it is well observed that another dividing line is laid down right along with the many lines of politics, race, sexuality, etc.

I think there is something to the idea that the people are at great risk, but only to themselves. I have seen nothing to indicate that the production of the S-protiens continues beyond a relatively short period of time, so the idea that they may pose some long term risk (presumably through shedding of viral particles) is without merit, based on that understanding.

The more likely scenario, in my mind, is some horrific long term side effects that will mean that those now avoiding the shots will have to expend a lot more energy to keep things going and to take care of those experiencing such side effects.

We truly are in frightening times, and I for one will not allow myself to be artificially divided from my fellow humanity, but not much I can do for those who drank that koolaid.

[Sérénité]

If/when the long expected power flip happens, and people like us here on this forum find ourselves in control, what do we think of ideas like this?

I think all their ideas are horrific and hope we all just get back to loving and respecting each other, sooner rather than later, before that divide is too great to bridge.

I have been concerned about potential shedding, I won’t lie...but I would never turn my back or walk away from those I love in fear they could make me sick.
Even though I’m facing that very thing from them.

There should never be a divide in humanity.
But the desire to defeat the divide has to come from both sides.
We all need to come together to defeat this.
We need to remember that love and unity is what this life is all about.
Nothing more, nothing less.
United we must stand to make the evil elite fall.
I hope that’s possible 💫

But if it isn’t, at least I know I carried on loving those who turned their back on me for sticking to my own personal choices.

[iota]

the stance for unity?

REQUIRES FREEDOM to CHOOSE

and us making it CLEAR we will not relinquish that RIGHT

[PurpleLama]

the stance for unity?

REQUIRES FREEDOM to CHOOSE

and us making it CLEAR we will not relinquish that RIGHT

You don't seem to understand the gravity of the (for now) hypothetical situation. What if the unvaxxed are the only productive members of society left? What of your (possible) choices, then?

[iota]

the stance for unity?

REQUIRES FREEDOM to CHOOSE

and us making it CLEAR we will not relinquish that RIGHT

You don't seem to understand the gravity of the (for now) hypothetical situation. What if the unvaxxed are the only productive members of society left? What of your (possible) choices, then?

THAT is the point

it was OUR acceptance of the denials of freedom and encroachments

(most recently, sadly, the assault on freedom that was allowed goes back much, much further)

that ENABLED this situation (problem) to exist in the first place

they were allowed to take control of the media ~ unimpeded

the news WAS fake and they were NOT deluged with phone calls DEMANDING it stop

i NEVER listen... yet the times i did? and it was false? i picked up the phone and went on website to the FCC and filed official complaints

EACH time that is done? they are required to answer and can be subject to fines

HOW MANY did THAT?

the answer is NOT ENOUGH

and DOING JUST that? terminating UNIMPEDED promulgation of LIES?

WOULD HAVE impeded their progress ... simple actions, every day folk that COULD have UNITED were/are able to do

instead? they were given carte blanche to LIE to our friends and family who now are vaxxed. irrespective of the social narrative? the fact is people have died, had severe LIFE ALTERING complications, heart attack, strokes, and a host of other problems that may not even arise for years to come

like it or not? WE hold responsibility AS WELL

and NOW enters a question, what would be a humane way to enslave (whatever side)

sweetie, neither a cookie nor furnished cell is something i am prepared to either accept OR discuss

BECAUSE LONG BEFORE THAT? i'm making it CLEAR to ANYONE that will listen

that NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE OUR FREEDOM AWAY and THAT is not an option

it WAS serious so very long ago my friend ... it required action so very long ago

and so i speak to EVERY SINGLE person who crosses my path ... ask my mother, friends, relatives .. who have come to accept ... THAT IS WHAT I DO

BECAUSE i TRULY comprehend the seriousness of the situation

so i take ACTION

in this case? i'm now fighting the effects OF The vaxxed

i have one relative that snuck off and got vaxxed ... i see her ... a normally agile woman? walking like a little old lady!!

WTH is wrong with you? i asked, followed by "did you get vaxxed?"

i RAN home got ALL of the protocols made her swallow in front of me

(because dear friend, IT IS SERIOUS enough for me not to say ... "here .. these might help ... gotta run!")

so i handed her a bottle of water and MADE her swallow, gave her a 30 day supply, explained ...

"YOUR choice was one of HARM not HELP, do you understand?"

it is now 30 or so days later and though i have her taking the protocols (i outlined in SadieBlue's thread? ) which IS a lot!!

the woman is now committed to the regime BECAUSE it HAS made such a difference

so ...YES ... it is time

those that direct the social narrative NEED TO BE SILENCED as ALL of you have witnessed me fight to do with all of my heart.

BECAUSE i CARE ... the time to politely ignore those whose subversive actions are part of a movement that is causing the death and harm of those i love

IS LONG PAST

and as soon as people come to that realization? and ACT

THEN and only then, will we have an opportunity to find solutions for the harm that has ALREADY been perpetuated on humanity

BUT ... ONLY if we ARE FREE to make these choices or take these actions

THEY KNOW this

it is WHY the narrative is NOW a deluge of distractions and re-direction of focus AWAY from the ENSLAVEMENT proposal

"should it be the vaxxed? or unvaxxed?"

"do they get a cookie? or an apple?"

while someone like me arises and says:

"i'm so sorry to bust your plans, but it seems you THINK you have the RIGHT to take my and others freedom away ...

and let me BE CLEAR ... you DO NOT!"

period

[Harmony]

What I mainly see is we are all being played or on some level tested. I feel to stay strong in our hearts, and like Billy wrote in post # 18, "don't fall into the illusion of separation," remember difficulties can bring out the very best of our human selves, the strength to align with our higner selves has never been more important.

We all have friends or relatives we may love very dearly that are vaccinated or not, let us not mirror behavior that has likely been intentionally manipulated to do just that.

[iota]

What I mainly see is we are all being played or on some level tested. I feel to stay strong in our hearts, and like Billy wrote in post # 18, "don't fall into the illusion of separation," remember difficulties can bring out the very best of our human selves, the strength to align with our higner selves has never been more important.

We all have friends or relatives we may love very dearly that are vaccinated or not, let us not mirror behavior that has likely been intentionally manipulated to do just that.

4 yrs ago when my son died, i looked at buying an island near Panama


https://www.privateislandsonline.com/uploads/resize/_1555_image_c05027ac23.jpg-1100-731.jpg

two bedroom furnished and coffe grew on it, solar for elec and satellite wifi and two hammocks as well

my family went in uproar .. that i NEEDED to be with them ... NOT alone

and now? during this isolation, that (though no one believes me, i'm an introvert and LOVVE solitude to allow healing to flow)

ALL of my family, who are ALL democrats, except for my mother and dad, got vaxxed ...

so i'm looking to be ALONE after all and NEVER stop wearing black ...

so .. i'm looking for solutions as i observe them to see where they are .. so far all good .. but my heart is very very troubled

and i AM doing research as i manage to do everything else i manage to do

but ONE thing is really CLEAR to me, as i stated above,

the time to politely ignore those whose subversive actions are part of a movement that is causing the death and harm of those i love

HAS ENDED

i will not bear on my conscience that i spotted lies and kept silent

this is no longer a game

i am looking at paying a serious price for the silence that has ALREADY taken place and ENABLED these conditions to arise AND prevail

and i refuse to be complicit in ANY way at all

[Delight]

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[Dennis Leahy]

They will not be able to hide the truth much longer and sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population. And there will be science to back up the findings.

Hey there y'all,

I nearly tossed some questions out to mojo on the thread it was originally posted on, but quickly realized it was off topic, and would likely lead that particular subject astray. So here we are with a new topic.

I'm wondering not only how this idea might work, but how popular a separation solution might or might not be if push came to shove.

So here's some basic questions to get things rolling:

- Were it to be deemed by trusted experts that for the health and well being of society in general, that separating the vaxxed from the unvaxxed is the only way to safely move forward, would you support the idea?

- If so, what might be the best, and most humane way of orchestrating this separation, while ensuring it stays that way?

- How might it ultimately be determined who is vaxxed, and who is not? The vaxxed may understandably try to hide it, so would there need to be like the invention of a streamlined blood screening or something, that everyone must go through in order to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak?

- How could it be assured that the vaxxed have everything they need for their daily survival?

So anyway, that's about all I have for initial basic questions.

Looking forward to comments. :nod:

Can you restate the question for me, Gracy? I'm not sure what is being asked. There is no vaccine against covid-19. There are no "vaxxed" people, though there are people who have taken a pre-treatment shot. There is an injection available to pre-treat a person for WHEN they get covid-19. The shot does nothing, zero, nada, to protect the person from catching covid-19. The shot also does zip, zilch, absolutely nothing to prevent that person that got that shot from transmitting covid-19 to someone else. Those are all scientifically accurate statements, not hyperbole.

The group of people who got the shot (that is being deceptively sold as a "vaccine") and the group that did not get the shot are 100% equally likely to catch and to transmit covid-19. There is no logic for separation. I know I haven't been around Avalon much lately, but I'm thinking you are already well aware of the accuracy of those statements, so, that's why I'm not sure what you're asking. Or, am I being thick-skulled and you are talking about the issue of the "vaxxed" shedding onto the "unvaxxed?" (If so, I'll do Gilda Radner's, "Nevermind!")

[onawah]

The real elephant in the room here, I think, is the question as to whether the vaxxed are still really going to be human if the elite's agenda continues.
Some of the latest evidence such as that presented here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115057-Covid-19-Vaccine-Ingredients&p=1460334&viewfull=1#post1460334
...suggests not.
I don't really see how a discussion about separation can avoid that question.

Some on the forefront of the alternative community, thankfully, are trying to find solutions that will help the vaxxed get rid of what is reportedly turning them into hybrids.
Others, like Clif High who is currently getting a lot of attention on Avalon, are saying that's pretty much hopeless, at least at this point. See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71164-Clif-High-s-videos----now--2021--in-the-year-Woo&p=1460557&viewfull=1#post1460557

The bewildering truth is that we are barely able to deal with what we know already, but is what we know enough basic info about how much of what has been done already?
As to what and how much exactly has been injected into whom, whether it really can be eliminated, whether it can actually infect the unvaxxed as much as the vaxxed just by transmission, how many, if any, of the vaxxed will even survive, how many have already died, and much else.
We may be scrambling to find the answers, but how do we process so much information quickly enough to know how to feel and what to do?
It's all happening so fast, and the "shock and awe" factor is surely at work in all of us.
There is also the possibility that the same in the vaxx can and is being delivered in other ways, through food, water, air, whatever, even if the vaxx agenda is stopped.

It may be good to consider that the Sun is in Scorpio now, and Scorpio likes us to look at our deepest, darkest feelings.
See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91348-Ang-Stoic-Astrological-Reports&p=1459077&viewfull=1#post1459077
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"And we are not just speaking about positive sensations either. Scorpio is just as turned on by pain as it is with pleasure. In fact, they’ll take any feeling and hold it – anything at all, as long as it gives them an emotional kick. They revel in it. They LOVE it. To death…

..that’s right, DEATH. They will pursue something that gives them a kick, even if it kills them. Well, not necessarily literally, but you get it. They will do something that serves to thrill them until there’s nothing left but the exalted feeling of having died and become reborn. No wonder this is the sign associated with sex. The orgasmic point is like a little death in itself.

Yet, to a Scorpio, any emotion is better than no emotion. Because Scorpio cannot stand emotional numbness. This is why this sign is strongly associated with ‘change’. They would sooner turn everything upside down looking for a thrill rather than become subjected to what they consider a dull, morose and predictable emotional nothingness. Even if the thrill is an intensely painful or destructive one…

We all have Scorpio somewhere in our chart. It is the side of us that stores all the powerful emotions – the dizzying highs and crushing lows of being human – the place from which we draw our deepest satisfaction (and our utmost disgust) in our quest to behold the object of our pursuit.

It is the place that moves us, not physically or mentally, but much deeper and in ways that we are often unable to describe with words. Only in feelings; feelings so intense and held so deeply that they are often hidden from even our own consciousness. Yet we know them. We know these feelings too well. They are what constitute our true psychology – our motivated response to what stimulates us in our environment. Deep down, our feelings become the motivation behind everything that feeds our desire for love, power and glory, and fuels our rage and madness when these things are denied to us.

They form the basis to all our beliefs because, based on our feelings about something, we go on to determine whether something is essentially real for us, or whether it is not.

If it is feels right, we wish to hold it, possess it.
If not, we might wish to eliminate or destroy it.

With the Sun in Scorpio for the next 30 days, it is time to look deeper into what we are holding and what must change in our world."
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Just finding the wherewithal to deal with it all and knowing how to feel about it all is challenging enough, and perhaps right now, on the threshold of what will possibly be the darkest winter any of us have ever experienced, we should be especially gentle with ourselves.

[jaybee]

The real elephant in the room here, I think, is the question as to whether the vaxxed are still really going to be human if the elite's agenda continues.
Some of the latest evidence such as that presented here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115057-Covid-19-Vaccine-Ingredients&p=1460334&viewfull=1#post1460334
...suggests not.
I don't really see how a discussion about separation can avoid that question.



Thanks for bringing up this point - tampering with 'our' genetic make up - creating a New Human (that can be integrated into the Internet of Things)... is the most nefarious and secret part of the covid + 'vaccine' process - the info is only just starting to trickle out but if the General Population get wind of it... they will not be happy at all about being lied to and conned and manipulated - treated like Lab Rats or cattle to be branded and controlled - that's why this whole thing is being rushed out - before people realize...

imagine the horror of being a nurse and realizing you have been shamelessly used to further the diabolical agenda and inject trusting people with what ever the hell is in the jabs... no wonder many nurses can't face the reality of what's happening... as they unwittingly become weaponized in the war to bring in the transhuman agenda..

that no one has agreed to.... because if they knew they wouldn't comply...

[Gracy]

Or, am I being thick-skulled and you are talking about the issue of the "vaxxed" shedding onto the "unvaxxed?"

There you go Dennis, but the issue may run far deeper than just shedding. There's other possible issues such as them contaminating the blood supply, and things they've touched that you may touch.

You know, it occurs to me that we may have a semantics problem here. When mojo says


They will not be able to hide the truth much longer and sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population. And there will be science to back up the findings.

maybe a more accurate term would be "quarantined", making it vaxxed people will need to be quarantined from the healthy population. And that would of course change the name of this thread closer to a more scientifically correct title:

The Great Quarantine?

That's a little more palatable. We've done that long as mankind has been around. Quarantine the sick, so that others don't get sick.


Some on the forefront of the alternative community, thankfully, are trying to find solutions that will help the vaxxed get rid of what is reportedly turning them into hybrids.
Others, like Clif High who is currently getting a lot of attention on Avalon, are saying that's pretty much hopeless, at least at this point.

There's another one to add to our plate. What if the results being shed upon, receiving tainted blood, or touching where a "vaxxed" person has touched, can not only make you sick, but maybe start the process of turning you into a hybrid as well?

Regardless of whether someone is able to find a cure, or it's pretty much hopeless as Cliff High puts it, it goes back to what's to be done in the mean time.

So when it's said that "there will be science to back up the findings", I'm assuming that's referring to when mainstream science finally has to admit that the evidence is overwhelming, and then everyone would have to admit it.

Well that's all fine and dandy, but then we still have this huge problem on our hands, and so much time has been lost.

If the shedding is really happening, with the possible consequences so dire, and we don't quarantine, what *do* we do?

[Sérénité]

If the shedding is really happening, with the possible consequences so dire, and we don't quarantine, what *do* we do?


I think this sentence alone hits the nail on the head of what we should be doing...we should do what we want, as individuals.

And I think it’s because we are not being given this opportunity to choose for ourselves that conflict is arising and divide is becoming apparent.

I respected family and friends wishes to stay away from them, sit in the garden yet drinking out their tea cups that they carried back into their kitchen with me sat outside in the cold. Watched them spray the shopping bags with disinfectant after I drop them at their closed door, waiting till I was half way down the drive and then literally throwing money at me as they didn’t want to get too close.
I’ve watched in amazement their absolute horror of me living life as normal without a mask and resenting my choices.

But I accepted their choices, I respected their fears, as absurd, illogical and downright hilarious as they seemed at times.
I respected that as it was their choice.

I respected their choice to get vaccinated. I tried to warn them but still, respected their decision.

But then after all of this, did they respect my decision to not have the vaccine, to be wary around them when initially vaccinated incase there was such a thing as shedding?
Nope. They didn’t give a flying f***.
They felt safe now so had no issues lying and coming into my home knowing my views and concerns.

And now, they seem happy with the fact we will soon be segregated by law again when the vaccine passports come out. And it’s our fault if we no longer wish to partake in society for our decision of refusing the vaccine.

So I honestly think, the answer to the question is that we should all be given the chance to decide for ourself.
But we aren’t being given that option.

And this, no matter how hard we try, will always lead to segregation and division.

So I guess what we can do as individuals is respect each other’s decisions and wish them well, with love and peace. And if we don’t see eye to eye on our views then so be it. Leave them to it. That’s their choice, their fate.

Not live in fear of each other just because we see a different reality. And just do what we all feel we have to do to protect ourselves mentally and physically.

Oh and stop complying. Complying makes you complicit whichever side of the fence we now sit

[Dennis Leahy]

Or, am I being thick-skulled and you are talking about the issue of the "vaxxed" shedding onto the "unvaxxed?"

There you go Dennis, but the issue may run far deeper than just shedding. There's other possible issues such as them contaminating the blood supply, and things they've touched that you may touch.

You know, it occurs to me that we may have a semantics problem here. When mojo says


They will not be able to hide the truth much longer and sadly it will be the vaxed people that will need to be separated from the healthy population. And there will be science to back up the findings.maybe a more accurate term would be "quarantined", making it vaxxed people will need to be quarantined from the healthy population. And that would of course change the name of this thread closer to a more scientifically correct title:

The Great Quarantine?

That's a little more palatable. We've done that long as mankind has been around. Quarantine the sick, so that others don't get sick.


Some on the forefront of the alternative community, thankfully, are trying to find solutions that will help the vaxxed get rid of what is reportedly turning them into hybrids.
Others, like Clif High who is currently getting a lot of attention on Avalon, are saying that's pretty much hopeless, at least at this point.

There's another one to add to our plate. What if the results being shed upon, receiving tainted blood, or touching where a "vaxxed" person has touched, can not only make you sick, but maybe start the process of turning you into a hybrid as well?

Regardless of whether someone is able to find a cure, or it's pretty much hopeless as Cliff High puts it, it goes back to what's to be done in the mean time.

So when it's said that "there will be science to back up the findings", I'm assuming that's referring to when mainstream science finally has to admit that the evidence is overwhelming, and then everyone would have to admit it.

Well that's all fine and dandy, but then we still have this huge problem on our hands, and so much time has been lost.

If the shedding is really happening, with the possible consequences so dire, and we don't quarantine, what *do* we do?

OK, so you are talking about those who took the shot causing harm to those who did not. The two things that bubble to mind quickly are, one, that the hypothetical scenario where the "unvaxxed" would have any control, any authority, any ability to implement anything that forced the "vaxxed" to do anything at all, much less quarantine themselves against the "unvaxxed", is comical. It's like prisoners banging tin cups on the bars of their cage and thinking they are going to force the guards to do something. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, it's who is in control. In a way, it's always good to run hypothetical scenarios through the thought process, but parameters of this mental exercise's hypothetical situation are ridiculously unrealistic.

The second thing is the notion of transmission of the mRNA technology via shedding. I think that is nearly 100% science fiction, other than the fact of the blood supply being tainted (or unknown if a unit of blood is tainted or not) does have scientific validity to me. I would assume that a unit of blood from a "vaxxed" person can indeed transmit the mRNA technology via transfusion, just as it can be transmitted by intramuscular injection (but I'd be interested to know if that theory has been tested - it may be that the mRNA component loses viability somewhere in the blood collection/blood storage/blood transfusion process, which involves about a 60°F change in temperature, twice. The "vaccine" is evidently extremely susceptible to temperature changes, as we may recall in the rollout.)

What do we do about the "vaxxed" causing harm to the "unvaxxed?" Really, nothing. We can't (or, at least I can't, and I'll bet you can't.) Even the transfusion scenario would likely be out of my control: If I was rushed to a trauma center, unconscious, I wouldn't be able to demand that any blood transfused into me must be from an unvaxxed person (and they wouldn't comply with my demand anyway.)

The masses are never going to see the covid-19 "vaccination" program in a negative light. They are far too brainwashed by extremely effective propaganda - the official narrative - and the bastards that have pushed this "vaccination" program also control the mainstream media, the narrative.

(p.s. I'd like to note that I just disagreed with Gracy's position (at least, I think I did), and I stated my case. Personal attacks on Gracy's character are not an acceptable alternative. If Gracy wants to take a "devil's advocate" position, or a hypothetical 'what if' scenario, or expresses something you disagree with, then debate the position she espoused - without the character assassination subtext. If the personal attacks continue, I'd cast a vote for Bill to quarantine the attackers away from Avalon for a cooling off vacation. The McCarthy-ist witch hunt vibe is annoying and distracting.)

[Gracy]

(p.s. I'd like to note that I just disagreed with Gracy's position (at least, I think I did), and I stated my case. Personal attacks on Gracy's character are not an acceptable alternative. If Gracy wants to take a "devil's advocate" position, or a hypothetical 'what if' scenario, or expresses something you disagree with, then debate the position she espoused - without the character assassination subtext. If the personal attacks continue, I'd cast a vote for Bill to quarantine the attackers away from Avalon for a cooling off vacation. The McCarthy-ist witch hunt vibe is annoying and distracting.)
Thank you Dennis. There’s a saying I’ve lived by for many years and its served me well:

“Agreement is not necessary, but mutual respect is”.

Now in this case I’m not even asking for agreement, but the sentiment is the same. This thread is essentially about how the powerful use their power. What I’m inviting people to do is look at this situation if the balance of power were flipped on its head and we now held it.

There’s a lot of talk about great awakenings, and how the elites have already lost but just don’t realize it yet. If, we got the power, how would we use it under the scenario that mojo put forth?

Assuming science could indeed prove the vaxxed were a major health risk as is often discussed here.

[onawah]

To my mind, and I imagine many here, science has already proven the vaxxed are a health risk, but of course, not mainstream science (that is, science as the MSM presents it, which is largely how the controllers allow them to present it).
Whereas, Avalon is usually far ahead in the learning curve.
:nerd:
Thanks to Dennis for naming the other elephant in the room, which is that it's a moot point as to what the unvaxxed would do if we had the controls, because we don't.
And I'm not a betting person, but the odds aren't looking good that the issue of who has control will change anytime soon.
There are so many looming problems now keeping people distracted that there may be a general breakdown of society before such a shift could happen.
And the vaxx issue is just one of those problems, though it's certainly at the forefront.

Just curious Gracy, do you have a strong Scorpio element in your astrological chart?

[onawah]

Update: Since here has been no answer from Gracy, I'm going to guess the answer would be a "yes", especially since Scorpio is the most secretive of the 12 signs...:lol:
Not a dig Gracy, just curious. :waving:



Just curious Gracy, do you have a strong Scorpio element in your astrological chart?

[Gracy]

Update: Since here has been no answer from Gracy, I'm going to guess the answer would be a "yes", especially since Scorpio is the most secretive of the 12 signs...:lol:
Not a dig Gracy, just curious. :waving:



Just curious Gracy, do you have a strong Scorpio element in your astrological chart?

Thank you again for the question Natalie. It's not a matter of being secretive; it's a matter of how quickly this thread got misunderstood from its original intent, and I don't want to further that by getting into astrology. I'd rather let the thread rest in peace as it is already doing.

If you're truly just idly curious about a possible Scorpio in my mix, then put it forth on an astrology thread, and give me a heads up. I'll be more that happy to oblige to the best of my ability.

[onawah]

Thanks Gracy. I posted the question here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91348-Ang-Stoic-Astrological-Reports&p=1461521&viewfull=1#post1461521



Update: Since here has been no answer from Gracy, I'm going to guess the answer would be a "yes", especially since Scorpio is the most secretive of the 12 signs...:lol:
Not a dig Gracy, just curious. :waving:



Just curious Gracy, do you have a strong Scorpio element in your astrological chart?

Thank you again for the question Natalie. It's not a matter of being secretive; it's a matter of how quickly this thread got misunderstood from its original intent, and I don't want to further that by getting into astrology. I'd rather let the thread rest in peace as it is already doing.

If you're truly just idly curious about a possible Scorpio in my mix, then put it forth on an astrology thread, and give me a heads up. I'll be more that happy to oblige to the best of my ability.