Can Immortality Exist...?

[scotslad]

I'm curious to your thoughts, comments, stories, insights and examples whether immortality exists here on the 3D realm and who in history (or currently) have claimed, studied or been identified or having been "proven" that humans can and do live exceptionally "long" lives under the correct schooling, diet, beliefs, practices or environment - or not.

Thanks

[ExomatrixTV]

Lets say your Soul/Consciousness is already immortal and having physical immortality could be a severe longtime punishment for the original path of the Soul! ... Like you jail (imprison)/ highly limit your Soul/Consciousness for life ... Unless it is 100% okay to be limited in who you truly are.

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[Builder]

Wale Baba seemed to be able to keep his body young until he was murdered:

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Mahavatar Babaji is allegedly able to recreate his body:

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[truthseek]

I highly recommend the "autobiography of a yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda. In it all sorts of "secrets" are described.

[Mike Gorman]

I am reminded of the novel by Aldous Huxley, "After Many a Summer" - Huxley explores this persistent quest to live longer, death and mortality. I have some personal views on this, I consider 'Sleep' to be the big clue here.
Why do human beings have to sleep each 24 hour cycle?
It seems the strain, and energy required to sustain conscious life is vast indeed, almost as if consciousness itself is not possible to support indefinitely: we have to revisit the 'land of the dead' and recharge our brains; I think sleep holds the mystical key to the human question.
We take REM sleep very much for granted, it is as mundane as breathing itself.
Anything that is taken for granted holds a key to the essential nature of that topic, because we simply accept it reveals how critical it is.

[rgray222]

I am reminded of the novel by Aldous Huxley, "After Many a Summer" - Huxley explores this persistent quest to live longer, death and mortality. I have some personal views on this, I consider 'Sleep' to be the big clue here.
Why do human beings have to sleep each 24 hour cycle?
It seems the strain, and energy required to sustain conscious life is vast indeed, almost as if consciousness itself is not possible to support indefinitely: we have to revisit the 'land of the dead' and recharge our brains; I think sleep holds the mystical key to the human question.
We take REM sleep very much for granted, it is as mundane as breathing itself.
Anything that is taken for granted holds a key to the essential nature of that topic, because we simply accept it reveals how critical it is.

The issue of immortality holds no special place for me other than being an intriguing topic. That said I also feel that sleep holds the key to unlocking consciousness, the power of the brain and has the possibility to provide us with tremendous insight into "life" after death. Sleep truly is a recharging system and not just to allow our physical batteries to return to 5 bar strength but more importantly, it allows us to deal with all things metaphysical and much more.

[Sérénité]

I’ve always found it intriguing how you see that some people’s souls want to carry on living but their body’s are too tired and some body’s want to keep on living but the soul is too tired.
Maybe the main ingredient of longevity is both the body and soul being in agreement

[mozo33]

this by no means can be explained in a single post ...


the first death ( death of innocents ) is likened to a deep sleep ( which God caused ) which in picture is spiritual laziness as in

"Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger."


there is only one book which explains this, but to see what it says one must turn from all preconceived thoughts/beliefs of what one has been lead to believe, which is a go sell all ones possessions scenario relating to perceived truths held to ...

to begin to see this one must understand the book speaks to the truth as well as the anti of it, and our soul ( both individual and collective ) being the pivotal of this ...

where we find ourselves at this time ( place of the dead/grave ) is to be spiritually dead to self, which is a division or separation by perception of who we are by where we are, of which the second death brings an end to ... and this end a new beginning

thing is this process of our souls journey of a there and back ( wounding & healing ) is beyond our natural minds ability to comprehend because it thinks in a linear fashion as in precept upon precept or line upon line or leaf upon leaf which becomes a covering as in a perception of our soul/tree within the parameters of a beginning and an end and therefor bound between them ... inject the picture of Samson blind and bound between two pillars which held up the temple into your mind as a picture of what i just wrote ...


so if one forgoes/sells/gives up their own reasoning ( likened to dead works ) and follows the Christ/Truth in them which is one and the same as a turning to see by coming out of a mind set and into another ... and this a path that leads to life by a death ... these verses speak to these two coverings/perceptions ... our own which reveals our nakedness and Gods which covers it ...


Now when this the perishable shall have put on the imperishable, and this, the mortal, shall have put on immortality, then the word having been written will come to pass: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."


So while we are in this tent, we groan under our burdens, because we do not wish to be unclothed but clothed, so that our mortality may be swallowed up by life.


ill stop here as i posted on this subject matter two days back and my post was removed/censored without explanation and so not sure if what i have wrote thus far will be deleted as well !

[mozo33]

I’ve always found it intriguing how you see that some people’s souls want to carry on living but their body’s are too tired and some body’s want to keep on living but the soul is too tired.
Maybe the main ingredient of longevity is both the body and soul being in agreement

the separation is between joints and marrow as in soul and spirit ... when they are in agreement they walk as one ... division is death ... to be whole or singular is Life ..

[9ideon]

It's actually not that hard to accomplish. What we need to set out to do is to reverse and slow down cell degradation. Tech used to exist on this Planet before the flood. It is simply a way to slow down the dividing of cells, making sure that DNA loss is countered (happens each time a cell divides), with the right tech we can slow down the cell crap to an extend that we would need to top it up every so many months (or something similar), cell would still divide, but at a discard able tempo. We'd stay young, the body does not need to withstand the test of time (there seems to be a max for the current rate of degradation, I believe something like 165 years or some).

In any case, we'd be able to live for a very long time (not sure if forever though), even when the body gets damaged beyond repair, there would still be a way to ensure survival. In any case, if they do crack it, you think we'd be the recipients of the outcome? Nah, those feckers thinking they own this Planet will corner it.

[Gracy]

Immortality here in 3D, walking the planet? No, not a chance. I'm sure it's absolutely possible to live for a very long time, maybe a couple of hundred years or so, and there are even stories of such people inserting themselves into key situations, at key times in the historical time table.

There are reports of a mysterious, very old and wise statesman inserting himself into the inner workings of the American Revolution, who gave a surprise speech to encourage the signing of the Declaration of Independence laying there on the table in Philadelphia, as hands trembled and wavered considering what it would feel like being hung for treason if things went south.

That speech supposedly put them over the hump.

There are also reports of the same type of man present, as Julius Caesar had second thoughts about crossing the River Rubicon. Some mysterious man supposedly struck up a patriotic song at just the right moment, with the men instantly joining in, giving Caesar the extra needed courage to thrust himself into the history books.

But living forever? Nah... Just look around at the cycles around us with the four seasons, everything has "a time", including us, no different than the gardens we tend in the spring and summer.

I mean hell, nothing lives forever. Not us, not our garden, even mountains eventually crumble back to nothing.

I'm not a big Bible person, but I know truth when I see it. Everything has a time:


Ecclesiastes 3

New International Version

A Time for Everything

3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:

2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,

3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,

4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,

5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,

6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,

7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,

8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
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[hm337]

Lets say your Soul/Consciousness is already immortal and having physical immortality could be a severe longtime punishment for the original path of the Soul! ... Like you jail (imprison)/ highly limit your Soul/Consciousness for life ... Unless it is 100% okay to be limited in who you truly are.



I agree with this. In my viewpoint soul is immortal and there is no point in making body immortal. We are here in order to deal with predefined lessons of life, to learn about people and life, to learn to live with virtue. Nothing important that happens to us is accidental. It is all part of life plan that we together with spirit guides designed prior to being born. It's all tied with our growing as souls.

There is a book by Michael Newton "Journey of souls, Case studies of life between lives"
( https://www.pdfdrive.com/journey-of-souls-case-studies-of-life-between-lives-e194555516.html)
that is quite mind opening with respect to this topic. Author shows what happens between lives through serious of conversations with hypnotized clients.

If we would live immortal lives we would not be able to experience different viewpoints that come from being born in families with different background, we would always be constrained to single viewpoint. Life is a big school and every incarnation is practice of what one learns in theory in between lives. Learning is just more optimal when we switch from one life to another. We as souls are immortal.

[yelik]

Technically a perfect healthy lifestyle and diet together with meditation will go a long way towards a much longer and happy life.

I speculate that once our body and mind is pure and perfectly balanced we could live for a very, very long time with virtually no illness. This can be difficult in the face of many distractions designed to move us away from this quest.

I would further speculate that a perfectly balanced mind and body our organs and DNA would operate differently and require less and less physical nourishment.

Our organs might simply absorb energy from the sun and ether.

The elites know this and give clues to those thinking for themselves with movies like The Island starring Ewan McGregor.


It would take a number of generations to achieve what we might call extreme long lives - perhaps immortality.

Our offsprigs may live to 150 years, there offsprings 300 years and so on.

[truthseek]

I’ve always found it intriguing how you see that some people’s souls want to carry on living but their body’s are too tired and some body’s want to keep on living but the soul is too tired.
Maybe the main ingredient of longevity is both the body and soul being in agreement

as many a ascended master has taught, the answer lies in the "ego"

[Ernie Nemeth]

I was very interested in immortality as a youngster. But I was not concerned about living forever. I just wanted to show the world it could be done. Over the years I have moderated my stance to living a healthy life to the very last day. I have no desire to live in this body forever. Although I keep thinking this is the best body I've ever had...

I still want to live in the real world not in this death cult. That requires a death of something at least.

As Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world. I want to live in the kingdom of God, not in the kingdom of the evil one. It can have this place, and good riddance.

[O Donna]

As Eugene Ionesco would say....

It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.

[Ben]

Immortality is all that exists. We are all splinters of that

[Wind]

We are already immortal.

Everything tied to time such as forms are temporary. You have a body, but aren't it.
However, perhaps in time our life spans will be longer again as we evolve as a species.

"Cherry blossoms are a symbolic flower of the spring, a time of renewal, and the fleeting nature of life.
Their life is very short. After their beauty peaks around two weeks, the blossoms start to fall."

A Japanese poem says:
The morning glory blooms for an hour,
Yet it differs not at heart
From the giant pine which lives a thousand years.

~ Alan Watts

It's not the years that in your life count, it's the life in your years that counts.

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[Builder]

For the mechanistic approach to "repair" aging check out Aubrey de Grey:
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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I will tell...a theory.

The Egyptians did not build the Pyramids, they inherited them, and their civilization grew around these marvellous, impossible monuments. The Pyramids have been grossly misinterpreted as burial chambers. In later epochs the Egyptians themselves more than likely viewed them as such, for they knew no better. They, or the Great Pyramid of Giza, was never originally a burial chamber, but a massive Resurrection machine. Machine is the wrong word – it was not technological, although it did employ a deal of technical ingenuity in its construction. Essentially, the pyramids were channelling devices for energy, and the sarcophagi placed inside were key. A subject was not dead when placed in a sarcophagus, but in a deep meditative state. The subject slept, perhaps for years in this state, under the watchful care of adepts, before returning rejuvenated. This could be done at intervals many times, potentially prolonging the lifespan of the subject for centuries. Virtual immortality.

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The Pyramids were present in Egypt long before the Old Kingdom. The Atlanteans were in part the original builders – most likely the Atlantean gods, who were not indigenous to the earth. These same gods later entered the Egyptian pantheon, and many of their names are remembered today. Resurrection was at the heart of early Egyptian mythology. It was built upon tales of gods and miracles inspired by their Atlantean progenitors. But time changes all things, and very often the truth. The complex practice of Resurrection, achieved only by adepts of the old world, was all but lost. It went underground, to be fiercely protected. It became one of the cherished secrets of the Mystery Schools... For the lay however, a captivating myth endured, and morphed into the Egyptian mummification cult, and the belief in transmigration. It was set aside only for pharaohs and nobles seeking to emulate the gods of the ancient world.

[scotslad]

An interesting list of characters from myth, legend and history who sought immortality or were thought to be... (Thanks Wikipedia)

Ziusudra (also Zi-ud-sura and Zin-Suddu; Hellenized Xisuthros: "found long life" or "life of long days") of Shuruppak is listed in the WB-62 Sumerian king list[citation needed] recension as the last king of Sumer prior to the deluge. He is subsequently recorded as the hero of the Sumerian flood epic. He is also mentioned in other ancient literature, including The Death of Gilgamesh[citation needed] and The Poem of Early Rulers,[citation needed] and a late version of The Instructions of Shuruppak refers to Ziusudra. Akkadian Atrahasis ("extremely wise") and Utnapishtim ("he found life"), as well as biblical Noah ("rest") are similar heroes of flood legends of the Ancient Near East.[2]

Endymion, a shepherd in the Mount Latmus of Asia Minor. Selene fell in love with him at first sight, but Endymion is a mortal, would eventually die naturally, so Selene asked Zeus to grant Endymion eternal life, but the price was long sleep. Endymion still maintained a beautiful face and a gratifying smile after he fell asleep. Selene was deeply moved by Endymion's beauty, so she would spy on him in the cave every night.
Tithonus, who in Greek mythology was granted eternal life but not eternal youth. He was transformed into a grasshopper.[3]

Ashwathama the Kaurava warrior after the kurukshetra was cursed by Krishna 'to be immortal and roam the earth without love, respect and social acceptance from anyone until the end of time'.[citation needed]
The Wandering Jew (b. 1st century BC), a Jewish shoemaker. According to legend, he taunted Jesus on his way to crucifixion. Jesus cursed him to "go on forever till I return." Thus, the Wandering Jew is to live until the second coming of Jesus.[4]

John the Apostle (AD 6-101), one of Jesus's followers. Some Mormons, in conjunction with their own scriptures, interpret the biblical scripture found at John 21:21-23 to mean that John will tarry or remain on the earth until the Second Coming.[5]

The Three Nephites (between AD 34 and 35), three men described in the Book of Mormon who are given power over death in order to fulfill their desire to minister among men until Jesus comes again.[6]

Markandeya, a sage who was granted immortality at the age of sixteen.[citation needed]
Sir Galahad (born 2nd-6th century), one of the three Arthurian knights to find the Holy Grail. Of these questing knights, Galahad is the only one to have achieved immortality by it.[7]

Merlin (2nd century-6th centuries), the famous magician. In some accounts, Merlin is trapped by an enchantment by Nimue, and while some end with Merlin dying, in others he remains in the trap (variously a tomb, a cave, a mist, or a tree) indefinitely.[citation needed]

Nicolas Flamel (c. 1330 – ), a French scribe and manuscript seller. He is believed to have found and decoded the everchanging book of Abraham the Mage, and found a spell for immortality, along with his wife.

Count of St. Germain. Myths, legends, and speculations about St. Germain began to be widespread in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and continue today. They include beliefs that he is immortal.

Mahavatar Babaji (30 November 203 BCE), an Indian Kriya Yoga guru who is believed to have manifested 5,000 years ago in India and is still presently alive in his physical body. He is reputed to live in India or at the Himalaya mountain.[8]

Olumba Olumba (born 1918) is a Nigerian religious leader and founder of Brotherhood of the Cross and Star, an alleged evil cult and new religion. Olumba claimed to be the Abrahamic God[9] in human form. Members of his religion as well as third party occult experts claim he is immortal.[10]
Failed quests for immortality

Gilgamesh (possibly reigned during the 26th century BC) after the death of his companion, Enkidu, Gilgamesh pursues immortality to avoid Enkidu's fate. Gilgamesh fails two tests and does not become immortal, realising instead that mortals attain immortality through lasting works of civilization and culture. Gilgamesh's story is among the oldest stories recorded.[11]

Qin Shi Huang, the First Emperor of China who reigned during 259 BC–210 BC, also sought immortality in his old age. Twice he sent hundreds of people under the direction of Xu Fu to find the legendary elixir of life, but failed. He allegedly died of mercury poisoning after he had eaten too many mercury pills, prescribed by his court doctors to make him immortal.[12]

One thing that I do believe like others above - The soul is immortal, but alas the vessel is not ;)

I am reminded of this English Gentleman Thomas Parr, whom the whisky "old Parr" is named after and is buried at Westminster Abbey, whilst not immortal, he endured quite an innings of 152 years.

William Harvey, the Royal Surgeon performed a post mortem on Parr who died only after weeks of feasting at great banquets after being invited to London meet and dine with Charles I.

The inscription of his gravestone reads:

THO: PARR OF YE COUNTY OF SALLOP. BORNE
IN AD: 1483. HE LIVED IN YE REIGNES OF TEN
PRINCES VIZ: K.ED.4. K.ED.5. K.RICH.3.
K.HEN.7. K.HEN.8. K.EDW.6. Q.MA. Q.ELIZ. K.JA. & K. CHARLES. AGED 152 YEARES.
& WAS BURYED HERE NOVEMB. 15. 1635.

Cause of death? "Over indulgence of life's un accustomed luxuries" -

A stern warning to us all perhaps and something we should pay heed to. :)

One thing for sure, Whilst I may not be immortal (yet), I can confirm that I arrived on this plain in the 1960s and so far been living in 6 decades, 2 centuries and 2 millenia ;)

And as the famous Scottish diner/road side cafe sign says...

Ye may gang faur and fare waur...

...so Lang may yer lums reek ;)

[Agape]

Thanks for your resume above 🍀

It does not take too long to realize that “human immortality” in the world where everyone else is obliged to die would be a curse rather than a blessing.

Realistically speaking, i wish that the quality of life would improve even to that stage that majority of humans would find their life meaningful and enjoyable.

Today’s “centenaries” and other long lived people are mostly, fully dependent on others help to survive. Very few of them would make it on their own ( in today’s competitive society as we know it).
Young technocrats dream of eternalising themselves by uploading their vital information to computers in future and merging with artificial intelligence as a form of survival beyond this life&death.

Personally , I’ve always considered this physical vessel/body a piece of nuisance we have to cope with, giving us too many chores everyday,
a car in need of constant energy input.

Yet I fully believe it can be transformed, transmuted metaphysically and thus we may also understand ourselves as immortal life on larger scale of Universe.

Just not “only human”. Humans are mortal so far, period the end.



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[yelik]

I agree Star Mariner
They also used to put seeds into the pyramids which would then give an excellent crop.

As I understand Pyramids were often built over quartz. If you then pass water through the quartz it generates a huge amount of energy. It is also claimed the Holy Grail was a large chest that was charged up inside the pyramid and could store energy/electricity

[scotslad]

Noah apparently lived to 950 years old, and methuselah - 969, but did Mahavatar Babaji really live to be 2000+ years old...?

More HERE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavatar_Babaji

and another intriguing yogi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidakhan_Babaji

Jpe Rogan discusses "Quantum Immortality"

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[BMJ]

Subject: Department of State FOIA Log 2018, Case Number: F-2019-00379

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Subject: Requesting documents pertaining to the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh, the location of his body and the location of the buried Nephilim.
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Note:
Just to clarify this individual Denetra D Senigar could possibly be an alias of Hillary Clinton. Furthermore the finding of this information is due to investigation by other individuals into the 30K plus of emails on Hillary Clinton's infamous laptop.

As seen in SG-1 aka the goa'uld sarcophagus.


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[Lunesoleil]

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And immortality from the philosopher's stone for alchemists, you know?

[ian33]

i have pondered this question in the past
would it be desirable for the planet?
a finite lifespan is the main means of population control, stopping us from consuming the planet.. unless it involved celibacy(curbing procreation)
....this left me with the question
do we have to procreate because we die? or do we have to die because we procreate?
even stars die eventually

[Patient]

Well, in my opinion based on the strange and always challenging life I have lived (and in a country of privilege apparently), there must be some reason for all of this.

To pass from this life with no memory of the experience seems like such a waste of time.

I just can't accept that there is no life or some type of existence after all this shyte. :)

[rgray222]

Why would anyone think that we are not immortal? Everything lives on, name one item on this planet that does not live on. Soil, rocks, trees, mountains, trash, nuclear waste every single item that we have ever touched or ever seen will live on in some form into eternity. This we know for a fact. Why would the human body and the soul that inhabits our human body be any different? The mistake that most of us make is that we judge everything through the prism of time, when we are talking about immortality time is actually meaningless.

[Patient]

Some people would refer to immortality as living forever "in their current body" rather than an eternal spirit.

When looking at it in that sense, time does have meaning as it defines the experience in a physical body.

I think many of us here at Avalon do look and believe in an eternal spirit.

And I am not bringing anything new to the conversation - Lol!

But as our electricity just returned (and it is cold) and I have been keeping the PC kids entertained, I had an urge to contribute something here. :)