Projects, Permaculture, Homestead, Farmstead and the likes

[palehorse]

Hello folks, I came across some resources a while ago, it was in an old bookmark from my last crashed browser and I just recovered the links :bigsmile:, these links are mostly about permaculture, farmstead and homestead communities, it has a little bit of everything and it can be very useful for reference from time to time, some of the websites you will be required to have an account in order to visualize their maps, yes, they have maps with properties across the world, these are very interesting projects from very basic constructions to totally fancy ones.. enjoy.

Worldwide Permaculture Projects
(A growing list of permaculture projects worldwide)
Link: https://permacultureglobal.org/projects

Regenerative Farm Map
(if you are looking for specific farm products in specific areas - a way to fancy for my taste, but may be useful for someone)
Link: https://regenerationinternational.org/regenerative-farm-map

Freedom Cells
(Freedom Cells are peer to peer groups organizing themselves in a decentralized manner with the collective goal of asserting the sovereignty of group members through peaceful resistance and the creation of alternative institutions.)
Link: https://freedomcells.org/ (My favorite)

Foundation for Intentional Communities
(At a time when too many of us feel isolated and alone, intentional communities offer more sustainable and just ways of living together. The Foundation for Intentional Community (FIC) has over 35 years of service to a growing movement of people joining and building intentional communities.)
Link: https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
(They have: interactive map to search for communities, a classifieds list and resource materials, they are doing it for a long time)

Global Ecovillage Network
(An ecovillage is an intentional, traditional or urban community that is consciously designing its pathway through locally owned, participatory processes, and aiming to address the Ecovillage Principles in the 4 Areas of Regeneration (social, culture, ecology, economy into a whole systems design).)
Link: https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/

Workaway
(This website works as a community gathering where hosts register their projects in order to "workawayers" find them, the projects goes from schools in remote villages to cob houses in very remote areas all around the world)
Link: https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlist
Here is one example how it works, for those looking into integrate into a community already established: https://www.workaway.info/en/host/716144185555

Everything WWOOF (WorldWide Opportunities on Organic Farms)
(WWOOF organisations connect people who want to live and learn on organic farms and small-holdings with people who want to share their knowledge and way of life.)
Link: https://wwoofinternational.org
If memory don't fail me, WWOOF is one of the first organizations doing it online, they are solid in this sort of thing of connecting communities.
Here you can find local WWOOF, by using the map it will lead to a local WWOOF website - https://wwoof.net/destinations/
and another one
WWOOF Independents
(WorldWide Opportunities on Organic Farms, Independents (WWOOF™ Independents) is part of a worldwide movement linking visitors with organic farmers, promote a cultural and educational exchange, and build a global community conscious of ecological farming and sustainability practices.)
Link: https://wwoofindependents.org/

Volunteers Base
(Volunteers Base is a moneyless help exchange network, it's free and always will be! Hosts in need of helping hands list their Projects and Volunteers interested in joining can get in touch. Projects can be almost anything: farming, building, hostels, language teaching, house-sitting, community work, arts & crafts, housekeeping, etc.)
Link: https://www.volunteersbase.com/
Even some of these websites looks more like a traveler website, they still provide lots of information about the property/project/homestead/permaculture which is the focus of this thread.

Landbuddy
(The Landbuddy section helps you find others to go off-grid with and the free classifieds are full of ads for off the grid real estate as well as personals and jobs. We have the best lonely hearts colimns in the off-grid world.)
Link: https://www.off-grid.net/landbuddy/
I even registered my place with them a while ago when I was looking for some friendly help with the land.


p.s. I will be posting more links here on this opening post as soon as I organize my bookmarks, in the meanwhile if you have any link to share please pile up.
Just a warning, some of these links I am posting are fully in line with the new green deal related stuffs like (COP26 climate change emergency bullsh!t), but it does not mean there is no ideas in the mix, the links are more related to projects pin pointed in the maps, there are a great number of projects world wide, so much ideas that can be adapted and so on..

[Pam]

Hello folks, I came across some resources a while ago, it was in an old bookmark from my last crashed browser and I just recovered the links :bigsmile:, these links are mostly about permaculture, farmstead and homestead communities, it has a little bit of everything and it can be very useful for reference from time to time, some of the websites you will be required to have an account in order to visualize their maps, yes, they have maps with properties across the world, these are very interesting projects from very basic constructions to totally fancy ones.. enjoy.

Worldwide Permaculture Projects
(A growing list of permaculture projects worldwide)
Link: https://permacultureglobal.org/projects

Regenerative Farm Map
(if you are looking for specific farm products in specific areas - a way to fancy for my taste, but may be useful for someone)
Link: https://regenerationinternational.org/regenerative-farm-map

Freedom Cells
(Freedom Cells are peer to peer groups organizing themselves in a decentralized manner with the collective goal of asserting the sovereignty of group members through peaceful resistance and the creation of alternative institutions.)
Link: https://freedomcells.org/ (My favorite)

Foundation for Intentional Communities
(At a time when too many of us feel isolated and alone, intentional communities offer more sustainable and just ways of living together. The Foundation for Intentional Community (FIC) has over 35 years of service to a growing movement of people joining and building intentional communities.)
Link: https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
(They have: interactive map to search for communities, a classifieds list and resource materials, they are doing it for a long time)

Global Ecovillage Network
(An ecovillage is an intentional, traditional or urban community that is consciously designing its pathway through locally owned, participatory processes, and aiming to address the Ecovillage Principles in the 4 Areas of Regeneration (social, culture, ecology, economy into a whole systems design).)
Link: https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/


p.s. I will be posting more links soon I organized my bookmark, in the meanwhile if you have any link to share please pile up.
Just a warning, some of these links I am posting are fully in line with the new green deal related stuffs like (COP26 climate change emergency bullsh!t), but it does not mean there is no ideas in the mix, the links are more related to projects pin pointed in the maps, there are a great number of projects world wide, so much ideas that can be adapted and so on..

palehorce, thank you so much for this uplifting and practicle thread. I will go through your information and can hopefully add something to this. Just wanted you to know your efforts are appreciated.

[palehorse]

Hello folks, I came across some resources a while ago, it was in an old bookmark from my last crashed browser and I just recovered the links :bigsmile:, these links are mostly about permaculture, farmstead and homestead communities, it has a little bit of everything and it can be very useful for reference from time to time, some of the websites you will be required to have an account in order to visualize their maps, yes, they have maps with properties across the world, these are very interesting projects from very basic constructions to totally fancy ones.. enjoy.

Worldwide Permaculture Projects
(A growing list of permaculture projects worldwide)
Link: https://permacultureglobal.org/projects

Regenerative Farm Map
(if you are looking for specific farm products in specific areas - a way to fancy for my taste, but may be useful for someone)
Link: https://regenerationinternational.org/regenerative-farm-map

Freedom Cells
(Freedom Cells are peer to peer groups organizing themselves in a decentralized manner with the collective goal of asserting the sovereignty of group members through peaceful resistance and the creation of alternative institutions.)
Link: https://freedomcells.org/ (My favorite)

Foundation for Intentional Communities
(At a time when too many of us feel isolated and alone, intentional communities offer more sustainable and just ways of living together. The Foundation for Intentional Community (FIC) has over 35 years of service to a growing movement of people joining and building intentional communities.)
Link: https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
(They have: interactive map to search for communities, a classifieds list and resource materials, they are doing it for a long time)

Global Ecovillage Network
(An ecovillage is an intentional, traditional or urban community that is consciously designing its pathway through locally owned, participatory processes, and aiming to address the Ecovillage Principles in the 4 Areas of Regeneration (social, culture, ecology, economy into a whole systems design).)
Link: https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/


p.s. I will be posting more links soon I organized my bookmark, in the meanwhile if you have any link to share please pile up.
Just a warning, some of these links I am posting are fully in line with the new green deal related stuffs like (COP26 climate change emergency bullsh!t), but it does not mean there is no ideas in the mix, the links are more related to projects pin pointed in the maps, there are a great number of projects world wide, so much ideas that can be adapted and so on..

palehorce, thank you so much for this uplifting and practicle thread. I will go through your information and can hopefully add something to this. Just wanted you to know your efforts are appreciated.


Thank you Pam :Avalon:

I still going through all these websites, it is quite a lot of data, but I will try to filter it, since there is some project that looks like they are abandoned.

[palehorse]

Bump!!!

I am feeding the opening post only with the links to keep it organized and easy to find. More links to come soon.
If you know more places that can help those looking for work or even join some community, please post here, doesn't matter where you are located, there is always someone around you in need, that is the time to help each other, situation world wide is deteriorating pretty fast, lots of people without income, time to break free from the matrix of control and be ourselves and live in accordance with the natural laws of the planet.

Screw the globalists bastards with their useless solutions!

[Bo Atkinson]

Thanks for this thread! I enjoyed gradually looking through the links, because for each idiot-ization which we study in the world, we also deserve to consider just how world peace is made, through the vocations of building and communications. For my work, I am still trying to find a medium for sharing structural concepts based on experimentation, but such things are still too undeveloped for merging with "homesteads, farmsteads, apprenticeships, or careers".

... I left home as a teen on variations of forerunners, of this kind of path, although in the 1960s things were crude without the www and, as my U.S. parents were expats back then, working in Italy, I went to what was termed in the old days, as a "volunteer youth work camp" in the mountains of southern Italy... I had wanted to capitalistically earn money, but as a foreigner-teen, I could only start as a volunteer, (and I am grateful, looking back).

The choice of a life plan is left to the individual and in my long life it dawned on me that mankind has not properly defined the meaning of life, where life is found as a succession of lives, and therefore a progression of life lessons leading somewhere rationally. Capitalism and politics fake instant solutions and fixes for problems, while mankind is still barely deciphering the distinctions of slavery and prosperity.

These 'volunteer' programs sound like good options for wondering souls, who are looking for peaceful experiences; and, oddly enough the above linked "find-a-place-maps", have as yet posted no markers for Italy! This might be due to the gradual sorting out of international blogger- networks, still hard at work listing everything. The current evolution of the Italian organization, (dating back decades), may have become more internationalized as of today, for the time being, adding Italy as a member:

https://www.worldpackers.com/search/europe/italy

I like the emphasis on work with traveling "to see the world", (peacefully instead of militarily or colonially).

https://www.worldpackers.com/programs
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~Bo

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Good and useful thread!

Just out of curiosity, I checked the Belgian ecovillages on the map (ecovillage.org). One seems to be pretty active. Here is the English website:
https://aya-nature.one/aya-nature-centre/
Personally I am looking at creating a small ecovillage like this, but not in Belgium.
I will post more info on PA, it may be possible to get together in zoom for instance.
Anyone interested in participating, send me a PM.
Thanks!

[Pam]

The Permaculture research institute has a wonderful forum with a diversity of topics. Thanks for the heads up. This is lots of fun and very interesting.

I have almost three acres of land that I have created a small orchard and do raised bed gardening. I compost and just love the whole process of the cycle of life. There is always so much more to learn. It is always a refinement process, you try one thing and then fine tune it. I would love to take one of those hands on courses. No matter how long I do this there is always more to learn, new variable to consider, new bugs that become a challenge. I love it!!!

[palehorse]

Thanks for this thread! I enjoyed gradually looking through the links, because for each idiot-ization which we study in the world, we also deserve to consider just how world peace is made, through the vocations of building and communications. For my work, I am still trying to find a medium for sharing structural concepts based on experimentation, but such things are still too undeveloped for merging with "homesteads, farmsteads, apprenticeships, or careers".

... I left home as a teen on variations of forerunners, of this kind of path, although in the 1960s things were crude without the www and, as my U.S. parents were expats back then, working in Italy, I went to what was termed in the old days, as a "volunteer youth work camp" in the mountains of southern Italy... I had wanted to capitalistically earn money, but as a foreigner-teen, I could only start as a volunteer, (and I am grateful, looking back).

The choice of a life plan is left to the individual and in my long life it dawned on me that mankind has not properly defined the meaning of life, where life is found as a succession of lives, and therefore a progression of life lessons leading somewhere rationally. Capitalism and politics fake instant solutions and fixes for problems, while mankind is still barely deciphering the distinctions of slavery and prosperity.

These 'volunteer' programs sound like good options for wondering souls, who are looking for peaceful experiences; and, oddly enough the above linked "find-a-place-maps", have as yet posted no markers for Italy! This might be due to the gradual sorting out of international blogger- networks, still hard at work listing everything. The current evolution of the Italian organization, (dating back decades), may have become more internationalized as of today, for the time being, adding Italy as a member:

https://www.worldpackers.com/search/europe/italy

I like the emphasis on work with traveling "to see the world", (peacefully instead of militarily or colonially).

https://www.worldpackers.com/programs
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And one more for the arts, a creative western-US blogger on media hosts...
Google- "Solarpunk Society"
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22Solarpunk+Society%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

~Bo



In regarding of your first paragraph if I understood it well.. I would like to recommend the series "Building Off the Grid" which is specific about structures and building methods, it goes from geodesic domes to huts in the mountains to cob houses, timber houses and a lot more, of course there is no house plans involved in the show, but it gives the big picture and I think that is a start. The show is about to build unique homes in very remote areas, the series started in 2014 and they have already 12 seasons, I didn't watch the entire thing, I just picked the ones that interested me like Cob Houses, Bamboo Houses, Cliff Houses, Earthhome, Domes in Desert, Cabin in Desert, Timber houses, etc.. The show is not supposed to be watched as a sequel, then pick your favorite. :)

Here is the show I am referring to: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6780072/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
to download it, you could try:
https://torrentgalaxy.to/torrents.php?search=Building.Off.the.Grid#results
https://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=Building.Off.the.Grid&all=on&search=Pirate+Search&page=0&orderby=
https://1337x.to/search/Building+Off+the+Grid/1/
https://www.limetorrents.pro/search/all/Building-Off-the-Grid/

p.s. I remember it took me a while to download the ones I wanted, lack of seeders mostly.

Thanks for the worldpackers link, it is quite big community with lots of offers everywhere, I browsed for about 30 minutes and found all sorts of jobs not only related to natural building, farming/permaculture.. it is a great option for anyone looking to have experience in another country, perhaps learning a new language, new skills, etc..

Seems much safer to travel in program like this, than travel all alone, unfortunately the time I was a traveler there was nothing like this online, GPS was only for rich people, I used to have paper maps of countries (quite a load for the backpack) haha, nowadays things are much easier to get basically anywhere in the world.

oh yeah, solarpunk society is a great movement going on for a while now, I first came into contact with that when I was researching about micronations back in 2014, but I guess the idea is much much older than that. Thanks to mention that, sure is something to learn more from.

[palehorse]

Good and useful thread!

Just out of curiosity, I checked the Belgian ecovillages on the map (ecovillage.org). One seems to be pretty active. Here is the English website:
https://aya-nature.one/aya-nature-centre/
Personally I am looking at creating a small ecovillage like this, but not in Belgium.
I will post more info on PA, it may be possible to get together in zoom for instance.
Anyone interested in participating, send me a PM.
Thanks!


Hi Johan, AyA is a beautiful project, I am still browsing all these places, there is many interesting ideas.
Where are you planning to start your project? I am a bit curious, will it be an Avalon project or personal?

a bit off-topic here:
Regarding zoom, I am very concerned in exposing myself on internet today (no worries I am not on the run haha), concerned because zoom last year had more or less half million accounts being sold on tor onion sites (aka dark web - black market), some accounts for free in hacking forums and not only account but actually video records of zoom users, also zoom can access users audio/video (there is no privacy at all - all the data in unencrypted in servers elsewhere) and I am not okay with that.
I used Skype for almost 10 years, after microsoft acquired it, they created a microsoft account for me without my consent and it was automatically connected with my credit card and personal data, at that point I cancelled the credit card and the accounts all together.

https://rakeshkrish.medium.com/zoom-leaks-a-platform-for-finding-leaked-meetings-89b962b9ac2e

I am a bit paranoid with the current situation in the world and better not to risk (speaking for myself only), I heard in one or two states in USA is forbidden to collect rain water, I can only imagine they will be charging for air in the future.

[palehorse]

The Permaculture research institute has a wonderful forum with a diversity of topics. Thanks for the heads up. This is lots of fun and very interesting.

I have almost three acres of land that I have created a small orchard and do raised bed gardening. I compost and just love the whole process of the cycle of life. There is always so much more to learn. It is always a refinement process, you try one thing and then fine tune it. I would love to take one of those hands on courses. No matter how long I do this there is always more to learn, new variable to consider, new bugs that become a challenge. I love it!!!


That's wonderful Pam, nice size lots of space, anything between 1 and 5 acres is perfect to manage.
Our place here is half the size of yours, but for now I am not actively working on it, I wish I could be there right now.
You mean a PDC ? If yes, me too but I never had the time to immerse myself deep into, it takes at least 2 months, maybe one day who knows..

please let me know if you engage into one.

Thanks.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Sawadee Palehorse!

Good questions...

Where starting this project?

Basically, I am first of all looking for countries where it is possible to start this project.
So far, Ireland and Costa Rica came up. But I know there are others too. I have some requirements
that are particular (personal and financial) to my own situation.

Then, when a country is "suitable", then physical places have to be located/found. I once found such
a place in Ireland (this one: https://www.boghill.com/) but I got "gazumped" after I already had paid
a deposit. If you have a look at the place, you will understand why I felt it was appropriate and ideal.

Sadly, my experiences in Ireland (spread over 3 years and dozens of properties) have taught me that almost
in every single case, the OWNERS were "rogue", which seems to go against the nature of the Irish. I also
met Irish people, just without any property-related intentions, and these were just great. I was pretty
fortunate to have a good solicitor and surveyor (or it would have cost me dearly; now these did not come
for free either, they charged a lot but at least were honest and did a very good job).I have all but "dropped
completely" Ireland as a possibility. Also their Covid-rules, the travel hindrances... have to be taken in
consideration.

Costa Rica is still "an option", but there also are difficulties (traveling to any place there would take
at least 15 hours one way from Europe). And their Covid-rules also just "got stricter".

In planning, it is a "heck of a job" to even try to figure out what may happen in any country
(Covid-related and other), when thinking of starting a project there.
But I am not someone who gives up that easily.

My search continues.

Will it be an Avalon project?
Well, probably not, as this has been tried before (in Ecuador) and there are many reasons why this would be
hard to do. Maybe not impossible though. But for me, Ecuador is "not possible", as are all/most South-American
countries.

There are other reasons. Most Avalonians are just not in a position to leave families, jobs or country. Or
have very little funds to do so. Not that thàt would be a main reason, but it certainly plays. That's why
I think most are looking for possibilities in their own neighbourhoods. Which is understandable.

Maybe also read a thread I started in August 2019, way before the Covid-craze.
("Gatherings for Avalonians" in the Off-Topic section, started on August 13th 2019)
I had thought that there would be a lot more interest (because it was so affordable) from fellow European Avalonians.
Wondering why, one reason may well be that most on this forum value "being incognito" so much.
Again, very understandble, even more so today.

Now, I DO think that the project, if and when it materializes, would be in the first place be along the lines of
what PA-ers would want. But it should be "larger/wider" I think; the PA community is "for everybody" but not every
body feels "at home" here though; it takes unusual people to know what PA is about. But you know all that.

That's why anyone reading this is invited to PM me so that (s)he can be informed, if they wish to be.

I realize all to well that while the "need" is much higher now than it was 2 or 3 years ago, it is also a lot
harder to manifest it. But one does what one can, we all have our Purposes as well as talents, and hopefully all
of us do what we can, where we can.

Yes, being "a bit" paranoid is quite normal. I know what you mean with the skype and zoom remarks, but then it remains,
how to communicate "safely" amongst the ones that are interested? We can't do everything by PM's on PA, emails (which ones?), maybe Telegram (but is that even 100% "safe?). Good solutions are always welcome!

Yet, this thread is a good one to "brainstorm" further. Everyone can join! And we will see where it can lead to.

[Bubu]

Thanks for the links. I went through them ( on some went again). Did not find any in the Philippines so I guess, still looking for like minded people to have fun with together with my 22 pekin ducks and more than 150 free range chicks :) on a 1 hectare land up in the mountains. Ducks is expected to start laying eggs anytime. So this is my source of food and the would be chicken some meat probably, but most importantly fertilizer for my plants since I wont be using any chemicals.

[Bubu]

Sawadee Palehorse!

Good questions...

Where starting this project?

Basically, I am first of all looking for countries where it is possible to start this project.
So far, Ireland and Costa Rica came up. But I know there are others too. I have some requirements
that are particular (personal and financial) to my own situation.

Then, when a country is "suitable", then physical places have to be located/found. I once found such
a place in Ireland (this one: https://www.boghill.com/) but I got "gazumped" after I already had paid
a deposit. If you have a look at the place, you will understand why I felt it was appropriate and ideal.

Sadly, my experiences in Ireland (spread over 3 years and dozens of properties) have taught me that almost
in every single case, the OWNERS were "rogue", which seems to go against the nature of the Irish. I also
met Irish people, just without any property-related intentions, and these were just great. I was pretty
fortunate to have a good solicitor and surveyor (or it would have cost me dearly; now these did not come
for free either, they charged a lot but at least were honest and did a very good job).I have all but "dropped
completely" Ireland as a possibility. Also their Covid-rules, the travel hindrances... have to be taken in
consideration.

Costa Rica is still "an option", but there also are difficulties (traveling to any place there would take
at least 15 hours one way from Europe). And their Covid-rules also just "got stricter".

In planning, it is a "heck of a job" to even try to figure out what may happen in any country
(Covid-related and other), when thinking of starting a project there.
But I am not someone who gives up that easily.

My search continues.

Will it be an Avalon project?
Well, probably not, as this has been tried before (in Ecuador) and there are many reasons why this would be
hard to do. Maybe not impossible though. But for me, Ecuador is "not possible", as are all/most South-American
countries.

There are other reasons. Most Avalonians are just not in a position to leave families, jobs or country. Or
have very little funds to do so. Not that thàt would be a main reason, but it certainly plays. That's why
I think most are looking for possibilities in their own neighbourhoods. Which is understandable.

Maybe also read a thread I started in August 2019, way before the Covid-craze.
("Gatherings for Avalonians" in the Off-Topic section, started on August 13th 2019)
I had thought that there would be a lot more interest (because it was so affordable) from fellow European Avalonians.
Wondering why, one reason may well be that most on this forum value "being incognito" so much.
Again, very understandble, even more so today.

Now, I DO think that the project, if and when it materializes, would be in the first place be along the lines of
what PA-ers would want. But it should be "larger/wider" I think; the PA community is "for everybody" but not every
body feels "at home" here though; it takes unusual people to know what PA is about. But you know all that.

That's why anyone reading this is invited to PM me so that (s)he can be informed, if they wish to be.

I realize all to well that while the "need" is much higher now than it was 2 or 3 years ago, it is also a lot
harder to manifest it. But one does what one can, we all have our Purposes as well as talents, and hopefully all
of us do what we can, where we can.

Yes, being "a bit" paranoid is quite normal. I know what you mean with the skype and zoom remarks, but then it remains,
how to communicate "safely" amongst the ones that are interested? We can't do everything by PM's on PA, emails (which ones?), maybe Telegram (but is that even 100% "safe?). Good solutions are always welcome!

Yet, this thread is a good one to "brainstorm" further. Everyone can join! And we will see where it can lead to.

Yes moving around is a challenged, So I have settled in the neighborhood as you mentioned. Also Family is the primary reason for not moving abroad. although here it has relaxed a bit. no need for swab test upon landing on the city also some bans are lifted. Hopefully same in other places and will get better in the near future. Right now still staying in the city more but starting next week I will be staying more in the mountains. I'm excited with the move but my biggest challenge in moving is how to protect my 98 heads 4 week old chicks and the 75 eggs soon to be chicks currently hatching in my incubator, since the place in the mountains is a lot colder than in the city. And still no electricity though 150 meters from the nearest grid pole.

Good luck to you and others on your hunt for a place to stay. May the force and the blessings be upon you.

[Bubu]

The Permaculture research institute has a wonderful forum with a diversity of topics. Thanks for the heads up. This is lots of fun and very interesting.

I have almost three acres of land that I have created a small orchard and do raised bed gardening. I compost and just love the whole process of the cycle of life. There is always so much more to learn. It is always a refinement process, you try one thing and then fine tune it. I would love to take one of those hands on courses. No matter how long I do this there is always more to learn, new variable to consider, new bugs that become a challenge. I love it!!!

Yes his is the kind of challenged that is also a lot more fun at the same time. Like we are doing kidplays. Can't wait to put all the learning on off grid living accumulated for may many years.

[palehorse]

Thanks for the links. I went through them ( on some went again). Did not find any in the Philippines so I guess, still looking for like minded people to have fun with together with my 22 pekin ducks and more than 150 free range chicks :) on a 1 hectare land up in the mountains. Ducks is expected to start laying eggs anytime. So this is my source of food and the would be chicken some meat probably, but most importantly fertilizer for my plants since I wont be using any chemicals.

Hey Bubu here you go, but not so many in Philippines if compared to US.

https://regenerationinternational.org/regenerative-farm-map
found another one on google: https://koberwitz1924.com/join-us/
found some members here on freedomcell, but you gonna need an account to use their map: https://freedomcells.org/find-member-map/?address%5B0%5D=philippines&distance=250&units=imperial&per_page=100&lat=12.750349&lng=122.731210&form=12&action=fs&country=PH (not quite sure it return properties, I guess they are a group)
here another 2 properties https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
and here another 7 properties https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/ (this one seems to be the best website with more options, found a few in Thailand which has not many as well).
and here is a good one to become a host and register your property if you need help - https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlist?hidden=&showMoreOptions=0&search=&lang=en&workawayer_capacity=0&languages=&date_start=&date_end=&min_stay=&host_rating=0&country=PH&region=&gnid=273&lat=&lon=&ct=&distance= (quite a few in Philippines)

[Bubu]

Thanks for the links. I went through them ( on some went again). Did not find any in the Philippines so I guess, still looking for like minded people to have fun with together with my 22 pekin ducks and more than 150 free range chicks :) on a 1 hectare land up in the mountains. Ducks is expected to start laying eggs anytime. So this is my source of food and the would be chicken some meat probably, but most importantly fertilizer for my plants since I wont be using any chemicals.

Hey Bubu here you go, but not so many in Philippines if compared to US.

https://regenerationinternational.org/regenerative-farm-map
found another one on google: https://koberwitz1924.com/join-us/
found some members here on freedomcell, but you gonna need an account to use their map: https://freedomcells.org/find-member-map/?address%5B0%5D=philippines&distance=250&units=imperial&per_page=100&lat=12.750349&lng=122.731210&form=12&action=fs&country=PH (not quite sure it return properties, I guess they are a group)
here another 2 properties https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
and here another 7 properties https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/ (this one seems to be the best website with more options, found a few in Thailand which has not many as well).
and here is a good one to become a host and register your property if you need help - https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlist?hidden=&showMoreOptions=0&search=&lang=en&workawayer_capacity=0&languages=&date_start=&date_end=&min_stay=&host_rating=0&country=PH&region=&gnid=273&lat=&lon=&ct=&distance= (quite a few in Philippines)

Thak you so much for taking the time, that's so nice of you. Intentional communities and ecovillage is not new to me. I visit the site every now and then. l also use to travel on workaways. Palawan is a very nice place. Lots of foreign visitors in that Island. El nido is a tourist friendly place. You can sleep in the streets and no one will rob you. Local Folks there protect tourist because its their livelihood. But Palawan is not an option now. I was suppose to fly to El nido Palawan to retire there, with bags all packed, But CV lockdown came 9 days ahead.

[palehorse]

Sawadee Palehorse!

Good questions...

Where starting this project?

Basically, I am first of all looking for countries where it is possible to start this project.
So far, Ireland and Costa Rica came up. But I know there are others too. I have some requirements
that are particular (personal and financial) to my own situation.

Then, when a country is "suitable", then physical places have to be located/found. I once found such
a place in Ireland (this one: https://www.boghill.com/) but I got "gazumped" after I already had paid
a deposit. If you have a look at the place, you will understand why I felt it was appropriate and ideal.

Sadly, my experiences in Ireland (spread over 3 years and dozens of properties) have taught me that almost
in every single case, the OWNERS were "rogue", which seems to go against the nature of the Irish. I also
met Irish people, just without any property-related intentions, and these were just great. I was pretty
fortunate to have a good solicitor and surveyor (or it would have cost me dearly; now these did not come
for free either, they charged a lot but at least were honest and did a very good job).I have all but "dropped
completely" Ireland as a possibility. Also their Covid-rules, the travel hindrances... have to be taken in
consideration.

Costa Rica is still "an option", but there also are difficulties (traveling to any place there would take
at least 15 hours one way from Europe). And their Covid-rules also just "got stricter".

In planning, it is a "heck of a job" to even try to figure out what may happen in any country
(Covid-related and other), when thinking of starting a project there.
But I am not someone who gives up that easily.

My search continues.

Will it be an Avalon project?
Well, probably not, as this has been tried before (in Ecuador) and there are many reasons why this would be
hard to do. Maybe not impossible though. But for me, Ecuador is "not possible", as are all/most South-American
countries.

There are other reasons. Most Avalonians are just not in a position to leave families, jobs or country. Or
have very little funds to do so. Not that thàt would be a main reason, but it certainly plays. That's why
I think most are looking for possibilities in their own neighbourhoods. Which is understandable.

Maybe also read a thread I started in August 2019, way before the Covid-craze.
("Gatherings for Avalonians" in the Off-Topic section, started on August 13th 2019)
I had thought that there would be a lot more interest (because it was so affordable) from fellow European Avalonians.
Wondering why, one reason may well be that most on this forum value "being incognito" so much.
Again, very understandble, even more so today.

Now, I DO think that the project, if and when it materializes, would be in the first place be along the lines of
what PA-ers would want. But it should be "larger/wider" I think; the PA community is "for everybody" but not every
body feels "at home" here though; it takes unusual people to know what PA is about. But you know all that.

That's why anyone reading this is invited to PM me so that (s)he can be informed, if they wish to be.

I realize all to well that while the "need" is much higher now than it was 2 or 3 years ago, it is also a lot
harder to manifest it. But one does what one can, we all have our Purposes as well as talents, and hopefully all
of us do what we can, where we can.

Yes, being "a bit" paranoid is quite normal. I know what you mean with the skype and zoom remarks, but then it remains,
how to communicate "safely" amongst the ones that are interested? We can't do everything by PM's on PA, emails (which ones?), maybe Telegram (but is that even 100% "safe?). Good solutions are always welcome!

Yet, this thread is a good one to "brainstorm" further. Everyone can join! And we will see where it can lead to.


Sawadee Krap Johan :)

Thank you for the explanation, appreciated that.
and WOW Ireland is so beautiful, what are those cliffs, just wow.

You are doing what I didn't when I decided to move full time to Thailand, I knew TH before from previous travels but never knew enough about the people, the places, local customs, laws, etc.. I didn't research enough before moving here I just knew a few key things and for that time was fine, but after living in a country for 14 years (in and out) you end up learning the hard way, I think there is no perfect places, there is places that is better than others and I am sure you will find it because you committed to that.

If there is anything you want to know in more specifics about Thailand if I can be of any help just let me know, one important thing about this country, foreign can not have land in his own name, but it is possible to do it using a company, but even with a company there are "limitations" (land size for example, allowed small plot only) and there is no much way around, it has to be owned by a Thai citizen or a Thai/Foreign Limited Company (foreign 49%, 51% divided into 2 Thai citizens), for projects like yours would even be necessary to have a good lawyer to overlook the entire process of land acquisition and also to make all clearance with documents, land taxes, previous debts (if applicable), etc.. etc... and it apply to any country, not only here, better safe than sorry, but sure you already know that.

In regarding of CV policies, I don't think it will just go away, there will be more restrictions everywhere, kind of a new normal BS, I hope to be wrong but the way things are, I am not so sure.

I will bookmark that thread "Gatherings for Avalonians", I probably missed it. :thumbsup:

About the the communication App, I used to use it more often in the past, it is called Jabber and today it has capabilities of voice and video just like zoom or any other modern App, it is based on XMPP protocol (here is their website: https://xmpp.org) which is open source and free for use, many of the big techies like facebook messenger, whatsapp, gtalk (defunct by now), skype had or still have their messenger apps based on XMPP protocol or allow to turn that on/off. On Linux I am using `Gajim` (client App for Linux/Windows), on Android I use Blabber.im (which is a fork of Conversations but much faster) or `Conversations` original (not bad but slow sometimes), they have encryption available via PGP, OpenPGP and OMEMO (end-to-end encryption), connections to the XMPP server uses Direct TLS, also allow proxy over it. It is even safer if you own your server, I use a public server called https://404.city from time to time, there is many others available, XMPP is an old technology available for more than 20 years but still not popular because it has no marketing, it is just the underlayer tech most big tech took advantage nowadays.

I used to have a server on my own until a few years ago, I used ejabberd (https://www.ejabberd.im/) and prosody.im (https://prosody.im/) servers (prosody is easier to work with), I terminated the server because I had almost nobody using it that time and it was kind of extra cost in my expenses, but that time when everybody was introducing video/audio calls I felt behind and could not implement it in my server, also it would cost a way more in bandwidth and resources, has to be a dedicated server for things run smooth.

I truly wish very good luck in your searching, I know how difficult these things are, keep us posted in the future.

[palehorse]

Thanks for the links. I went through them ( on some went again). Did not find any in the Philippines so I guess, still looking for like minded people to have fun with together with my 22 pekin ducks and more than 150 free range chicks :) on a 1 hectare land up in the mountains. Ducks is expected to start laying eggs anytime. So this is my source of food and the would be chicken some meat probably, but most importantly fertilizer for my plants since I wont be using any chemicals.

Hey Bubu here you go, but not so many in Philippines if compared to US.

https://regenerationinternational.org/regenerative-farm-map
found another one on google: https://koberwitz1924.com/join-us/
found some members here on freedomcell, but you gonna need an account to use their map: https://freedomcells.org/find-member-map/?address%5B0%5D=philippines&distance=250&units=imperial&per_page=100&lat=12.750349&lng=122.731210&form=12&action=fs&country=PH (not quite sure it return properties, I guess they are a group)
here another 2 properties https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
and here another 7 properties https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/ (this one seems to be the best website with more options, found a few in Thailand which has not many as well).
and here is a good one to become a host and register your property if you need help - https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlist?hidden=&showMoreOptions=0&search=&lang=en&workawayer_capacity=0&languages=&date_start=&date_end=&min_stay=&host_rating=0&country=PH&region=&gnid=273&lat=&lon=&ct=&distance= (quite a few in Philippines)

Thak you so much for taking the time, that's so nice of you. Intentional communities and ecovillage is not new to me. I visit the site every now and then. l also use to travel on workaways. Palawan is a very nice place. Lots of foreign visitors in that Island. El nido is a tourist friendly place. You can sleep in the streets and no one will rob you. Local Folks there protect tourist because its their livelihood. But Palawan is not an option now. I was suppose to fly to El nido Palawan to retire there, with bags all packed, But CV lockdown came 9 days ahead.


and thank you to let us know about the the locations that are friendly to foreign visitors, that's what I talk to people around me, the best information is the local information that we share with each other, we can't rely on the big media to know things like that.
somehow Philippines is similar in some aspects, here the locals also take good care of foreign because they depend on that, well at least they did, because the tourism here is quite dead now, I see just a few unknown faces around and most are Chinese.

[palehorse]

Hi, came across this podcast about permaculture and spiritual awakening with Jim Gale, it mostly talk about food forest and communities around the world, it worth the time watching.

Creating Food & Spiritual Abundance with Jim Gale

The podcast can be found here:
https://storage.pinecast.net/podcasts/fa34ad31-8a8c-4544-8011-59da6e470b58/audio/8f1f6ebc-be0f-4306-8bcd-c4b192e30a05/The_Activation_11_Jim_Gale.mp3
https://storage.pinecast.net/podcasts/fa34ad31-8a8c-4544-8011-59da6e470b58/audio/8f1f6ebc-be0f-4306-8bcd-c4b192e30a05/The_Activation_11_Jim_Gale.mp3

ref.: https://foodforestabundance.com/

It worth to mention that I came across this podcast after searching for "coop methods" to put people together to build stuffs, work on the land, community gardens, etc.. and he speaks about that at 22 mins. he seems to have a very successful method called "food forest cooperative", and of course it is a business for him, teaching people how to prepare and grow food, a landscaping business model with a few add-ons, but what I am looking is not to start a business like that but learn from elements that make these sort of business successful and try to apply in a new open model where people can get together and actually do something, even when you are flat broke economically speaking, like he pointed out about people creating food forest in very poor areas in the suburbs of large cities. It can be done everywhere.

I truly believe there is ways to mitigate so many problems in society (specially about nutrition and well being) and give a middle finger to the government's dependency, we just need methods to approach it and do it.

[palehorse]

I caught myself looking to this picture today and it was not a quick look.

https://i.imgur.com/9gRdVLH.png

ref.: Permaculture Designers Manual by Bill Mollison Pag. 24 - Figure 2.3 (Industrial Methods of Producing an egg!)

[Bubu]

Just got back from a month long stay in the upcoming homestead. No electricity yet so I have to depend on my chain saw and some hand tools. Cabin almost complete. Still learning so much despite years and years of reading about this subjects. First important problem, Soil is 4 to 8 inches lose humus and limestone underneath on a rolling hills with up to 70 degree slope at some areas. I have to remove the existing bushes and small trees because my veggies wont grow underneath it. But doing so I am also going to remove the important fixtures that holds the important humus in place. So we cut the trees leaving a 5 to 6 foot trunks in place. The trees wont die some are producing shoots already. Which means it will hold the thin fertile soil in place but I will be able to plant alongside the cut trees and my veggies will get sunlight. will cut the trees progressively as my food forest starts to grow. Problem solve. Perhaps the most important lessons is not in permaculture classes but in the homestead itself. Wishing you all a happy new year.

[palehorse]

Just got back from a month long stay in the upcoming homestead. No electricity yet so I have to depend on my chain saw and some hand tools. Cabin almost complete. Still learning so much despite years and years of reading about this subjects. First important problem, Soil is 4 to 8 inches lose humus and limestone underneath on a rolling hills with up to 70 degree slope at some areas. I have to remove the existing bushes and small trees because my veggies wont grow underneath it. But doing so I am also going to remove the important fixtures that holds the important humus in place. So we cut the trees leaving a 5 to 6 foot trunks in place. The trees wont die some are producing shoots already. Which means it will hold the thin fertile soil in place but I will be able to plant alongside the cut trees and my veggies will get sunlight. will cut the trees progressively as my food forest starts to grow. Problem solve. Perhaps the most important lessons is not in permaculture classes but in the homestead itself. Wishing you all a happy new year.

Hi, that's good news, did you just say 70 degree slope? that's quite a lot
perhaps you could work out some swales and even plant along, maybe a terrace garden work as well, just let the rain water sink into the soil and not run all the way down the hill, it could cause erosion at some point, supposing you got a raining season.
Congratulations with your property, keep us posted.

[Bubu]

Just got back from a month long stay in the upcoming homestead. No electricity yet so I have to depend on my chain saw and some hand tools. Cabin almost complete. Still learning so much despite years and years of reading about this subjects. First important problem, Soil is 4 to 8 inches lose humus and limestone underneath on a rolling hills with up to 70 degree slope at some areas. I have to remove the existing bushes and small trees because my veggies wont grow underneath it. But doing so I am also going to remove the important fixtures that holds the important humus in place. So we cut the trees leaving a 5 to 6 foot trunks in place. The trees wont die some are producing shoots already. Which means it will hold the thin fertile soil in place but I will be able to plant alongside the cut trees and my veggies will get sunlight. will cut the trees progressively as my food forest starts to grow. Problem solve. Perhaps the most important lessons is not in permaculture classes but in the homestead itself. Wishing you all a happy new year.

Hi, that's good news, did you just say 70 degree slope? that's quite a lot
perhaps you could work out some swales and even plant along, maybe a terrace garden work as well, just let the rain water sink into the soil and not run all the way down the hill, it could cause erosion at some point, supposing you got a raining season.
Congratulations with your property, keep us posted.

on average the farm lot is about 20 degree slope but those very few 70 degree needs more attention. Haven't cut the trees on that area yet. Still thinking of strategy to tackle that portion. I am thinking of planting madre de agua ( a high protein animal feed), named as such because it also takes care of water, and then trim the tree branches progressively.

[Pam]

Just got back from a month long stay in the upcoming homestead. No electricity yet so I have to depend on my chain saw and some hand tools. Cabin almost complete. Still learning so much despite years and years of reading about this subjects. First important problem, Soil is 4 to 8 inches lose humus and limestone underneath on a rolling hills with up to 70 degree slope at some areas. I have to remove the existing bushes and small trees because my veggies wont grow underneath it. But doing so I am also going to remove the important fixtures that holds the important humus in place. So we cut the trees leaving a 5 to 6 foot trunks in place. The trees wont die some are producing shoots already. Which means it will hold the thin fertile soil in place but I will be able to plant alongside the cut trees and my veggies will get sunlight. will cut the trees progressively as my food forest starts to grow. Problem solve. Perhaps the most important lessons is not in permaculture classes but in the homestead itself. Wishing you all a happy new year.

Hi, that's good news, did you just say 70 degree slope? that's quite a lot
perhaps you could work out some swales and even plant along, maybe a terrace garden work as well, just let the rain water sink into the soil and not run all the way down the hill, it could cause erosion at some point, supposing you got a raining season.
Congratulations with your property, keep us posted.

on average the farm lot is about 20 degree slope but those very few 70 degree needs more attention. Haven't cut the trees on that area yet. Still thinking of strategy to tackle that portion. I am thinking of planting madre de agua ( a high protein animal feed), named as such because it also takes care of water, and then trim the tree branches progressively.

This is very exciting. It is a learning curve when it becomes time to convert the knowledge from reading/watching ect. into doing. I have found that it turns out to be trials/assessments and then fine tuning. I have never done anything as satisfying as or as demanding than working with the earth. There is so very much to learn. I am really excited for you. Don't you feel wonderful after a days work outside. It is a good kind of tired.

My little orchard that I planted is really starting to produce. I was able to freeze a bunch of the fruit and this year was my first for dehydrating. Apples with a sprinkle of cinnamon are a wonderful treat. Other than the natural loss of fruit I was able to utilize or will have utilized just about all the fruit.

In the winter I grow sprouts indoors. Heck, if I can do it...a schmuck from the city anyone with the will and decent health can grow things to some degree or another.

I love palehorses idea of terracing the part of the land that is sloped. Of course, my visualization of what you are saying is probably not the reality of it. Anyway, keep us posted!

Wonderful idea about not disturbing the top soil that is so rich in nutrients.

[Bubu]

Just got back from a month long stay in the upcoming homestead. No electricity yet so I have to depend on my chain saw and some hand tools. Cabin almost complete. Still learning so much despite years and years of reading about this subjects. First important problem, Soil is 4 to 8 inches lose humus and limestone underneath on a rolling hills with up to 70 degree slope at some areas. I have to remove the existing bushes and small trees because my veggies wont grow underneath it. But doing so I am also going to remove the important fixtures that holds the important humus in place. So we cut the trees leaving a 5 to 6 foot trunks in place. The trees wont die some are producing shoots already. Which means it will hold the thin fertile soil in place but I will be able to plant alongside the cut trees and my veggies will get sunlight. will cut the trees progressively as my food forest starts to grow. Problem solve. Perhaps the most important lessons is not in permaculture classes but in the homestead itself. Wishing you all a happy new year.

Hi, that's good news, did you just say 70 degree slope? that's quite a lot
perhaps you could work out some swales and even plant along, maybe a terrace garden work as well, just let the rain water sink into the soil and not run all the way down the hill, it could cause erosion at some point, supposing you got a raining season.
Congratulations with your property, keep us posted.

on average the farm lot is about 20 degree slope but those very few 70 degree needs more attention. Haven't cut the trees on that area yet. Still thinking of strategy to tackle that portion. I am thinking of planting madre de agua ( a high protein animal feed), named as such because it also takes care of water, and then trim the tree branches progressively.

This is very exciting. It is a learning curve when it becomes time to convert the knowledge from reading/watching ect. into doing. I have found that it turns out to be trials/assessments and then fine tuning. I have never done anything as satisfying as or as demanding than working with the earth. There is so very much to learn. I am really excited for you. Don't you feel wonderful after a days work outside. It is a good kind of tired.

My little orchard that I planted is really starting to produce. I was able to freeze a bunch of the fruit and this year was my first for dehydrating. Apples with a sprinkle of cinnamon are a wonderful treat. Other than the natural loss of fruit I was able to utilize or will have utilized just about all the fruit.

In the winter I grow sprouts indoors. Heck, if I can do it...a schmuck from the city anyone with the will and decent health can grow things to some degree or another.

I love palehorses idea of terracing the part of the land that is sloped. Of course, my visualization of what you are saying is probably not the reality of it. Anyway, keep us posted!

Wonderful idea about not disturbing the top soil that is so rich in nutrients.

Thanks Pam. Couple of times I got tired of slicing the tree with my chainsaw as I dont have a saw mill. I lay down on the ground beside the felled tree and took a nap. Of course I have seen the beautiful blue sky before and after the nap and its wonderful. I am luckier than most farm owners when it comes to growing plants I have the best spot in a tropical place. No typhoons no freezing. Temperature range is 20 during the coldest night and 27 on a sunny day. Soil is almost constantly moist. I buried some of the garlics and onions I brought for cooking. all bulbs sprouted. No watering no tending. just planted it and forget. Terracing is definitely the best option on some slopes. Some people call it SALT, sloping agriculture land technology. Of course its just labels another name for terracing to get attention maybe. Will try to keep you posted maybe I could have an internet in a couple more weeks in that place. Just need to install a wifi antenna and acquire a wifi modem. My children wont go there without it. :)

[palehorse]

Hello everyone, found one more interesting link


https://transitionnetwork.org/transition-near-me/


What is Transition?
Transition is a movement that has been growing since 2005. It is about communities stepping up to address the big challenges they face by starting local. By coming together, they are able to create solutions together. They seek to nurture a caring culture, one focused on connection with self, others and nature. They are reclaiming the economy, sparking entrepreneurship, reimagining work, reskilling themselves and weaving webs of connection and support. Courageous conversations are being had; extraordinary change is unfolding.


here is their essential guide to understand what it is about:
https://transitionnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/The-Essential-Guide-to-Doing-Transition-English-V1.2.pdf


Almost forgot, another link with quite a lot of resources, I am harvesting some nice documents from it :)
http://simplicityinstitute.org/publications

[palehorse]

HI everyone, today would like to share some more data with you all interested in permaculture, I have a Permaculture Design Course, but it is too large to share in the forum, also bad for upload anywhere because my connection sucks!

I know some people are not familiar with torrents, but it is the best option available (in my opinion of course) to spread/share material online, and all you need is a torrent client, which goes from very simple interfaces to very complex and complete programs.. I recommend start with a simple one like `qBittorrent`.

Here is the PDC course (magnet link) available to download it via torrents (size: 8.8Gb).

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:A91ACF3515BD94E439D2825C7A86C35721AC90F6&dn=PDC_Permaculture_Bill_Mollison_and_Geoff_Lawton&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2780%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2730%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fp4p.arenabg.com%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3A451%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.tiny-vps.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce


Here is a collection of great videos of Bill Mollison (available on vimeo - if anyone know how to easily download these videos, please share, I never used vimeo before)
http://www.networkearth.org/perma/culture.html (the video source is from Vimeo)


Here is Bill Mollison's Permaculture Design Manual (pretty sure already shared in other threads, but here goes again) - it goes in line with the PDC videos, use for reference and more details on the subject.
https://ia800508.us.archive.org/17/items/BernardSieglerTechnicsAndTime1TheFaultOfEpimetheus/Bill%20Mollison%20-%20Permaculture%20A%20Designers%20Manual.pdf


and here a website with many references
https://billmollison.org/

[palehorse]

Hi folks, earlier this morning was reading a bunch of interesting blogs, and came across with this one of someone from Portugal, at least very interesting the way the lady decided to go off grid. I was always wondering how hard could be to build a home out of rocks, I saw a few large projects in the past (that was enough to make me lose my interest haha), but this one seems like a perfect size for a couple to live in.. the lady even built her own drainage system, her own toilet bucket system :)
It is all simple solution that can be improved of course, the lady is in the process of building, but most of the basic things are already completed.
It is nice to see people sharing the process of building a homestead, their passions, their frustrations, their motivations, and so on.. this is what make us human beings.

Enjoy the reading.

Here is the blog: http://www.portugalfromscratch.com/planning/living-off-grid-in-central-portugal-2021-year-in-review/

[Bubu]

Thanks for the links I am downloading the PDF mannual and will save it on my tablet so I can read off grid. I am looking forward to finding some relevant info. Though from my experience its mostly on site learning. For example I planted bananas couple of weeks back, most people in our country plant in mounds to prevent root rot, but before I planted I went around looking for bananas in my place. The healtiest is planted on a depression so I concluded that the soil is somewhat well draining so I planted in depressions not mounds. Also after cutiing the trees I immediately palnted corn, squash is to follow soon. These are fast growing cash crops that also provides ground cover before the evasive herbs and bush can take off. I also tend to disagrre with Bill Mollison to keep out of the bushes or leave the bushes alone. If we are to survive in the bushes we need to replace the existing bush with something that benefits us albiet in a way that creates the least destruction to existing ecosystem and gives back to it. Corn and squash will be permanent ground cover until I replace it with perenials and fruit trees and some veggies also. This will also provide some cash for the transition. For now I am establihing a soil biota for corn and squash. This will be replace with soil biota for every plant especie as I go along. The way to do it is to collect animal waste samples from as many area ( I collected horse , cow and poultry manure). I also collected soil samples from the spot where the healtiest corns is growing and mix them together. This is my invention and is not yet proven. But from my readings and analysis I concluded that certain soil organism favor/ helps certain plants and vice versa., So what I am trying to do is to multiply that biota and give it to other corns and squash and in the future from every plant especie. Ones the soil biota is establish for a certain plant especie then it goes self sustaining. That is how our forest thrive year after year after year. The problem with modern agriculture is that the first thing they do is kill the soil biota and never replace it. Then when it starts to restablish they kill it again on harvesting the crops. For me the most important is to keep the soil planted, feed it and never put poison on it.

I admire Bill Mollison he sure has a lot to give. But like most people who became famous for something they tend to become unrealistic and cultist. Not saying this to degrade but rather to warn other people to stay away from this practice. Every situation, every person is different you need to find what suits you and the situation and not follow religiously.

I am also planning to get rid of the rats. They destroy crops and everything and harbor disease. Any objection/ suggestion before I actually do it?

[Bubu]

I believe that plants is the most important part of the food forest or any kind of forest or plantations. without plants there would'nt be any food forest or any kind of forest, obviously and that the soil is what gives life to plants. The relationship between palnts and soil should have the most attention in permaculture, jadam, one straw and any branded gardening system. There is one soil scientist that I also admire. His name is Dr. Bryant Redhawk. You may find his materials on permies.com. Another ingredient that is essential in plant growth is CO2 and sunlight. And because its nearly impossible to remove sunligth and soil biota despite the many poisons they sell to farmers they are blaming CO2 so that they can mobilize people to remove it from the atmosphere. Ever heard of carbon capture? I do believe that this is the main reason for all the climate change B*** crap. They want to control food production by removing CO2 in the atmosphere. The zombie2 may accomplish this for them.

[palehorse]

Thanks for the links I am downloading the PDF mannual and will save it on my tablet so I can read off grid. I am looking forward to finding some relevant info. Though from my experience its mostly on site learning. For example I planted bananas couple of weeks back, most people in our country plant in mounds to prevent root rot, but before I planted I went around looking for bananas in my place. The healtiest is planted on a depression so I concluded that the soil is somewhat well draining so I planted in depressions not mounds. Also after cutiing the trees I immediately palnted corn, squash is to follow soon. These are fast growing cash crops that also provides ground cover before the evasive herbs and bush can take off. I also tend to disagrre with Bill Mollison to keep out of the bushes or leave the bushes alone. If we are to survive in the bushes we need to replace the existing bush with something that benefits us albiet in a way that creates the least destruction to existing ecosystem and gives back to it. Corn and squash will be permanent ground cover until I replace it with perenials and fruit trees and some veggies also. This will also provide some cash for the transition. For now I am establihing a soil biota for corn and squash. This will be replace with soil biota for every plant especie as I go along. The way to do it is to collect animal waste samples from as many area ( I collected horse , cow and poultry manure). I also collected soil samples from the spot where the healtiest corns is growing and mix them together. This is my invention and is not yet proven. But from my readings and analysis I concluded that certain soil organism favor/ helps certain plants and vice versa., So what I am trying to do is to multiply that biota and give it to other corns and squash and in the future from every plant especie. Ones the soil biota is establish for a certain plant especie then it goes self sustaining. That is how our forest thrive year after year after year. The problem with modern agriculture is that the first thing they do is kill the soil biota and never replace it. Then when it starts to restablish they kill it again on harvesting the crops. For me the most important is to keep the soil planted, feed it and never put poison on it.

I admire Bill Mollison he sure has a lot to give. But like most people who became famous for something they tend to become unrealistic and cultist. Not saying this to degrade but rather to warn other people to stay away from this practice. Every situation, every person is different you need to find what suits you and the situation and not follow religiously.

I am also planning to get rid of the rats. They destroy crops and everything and harbor disease. Any objection/ suggestion before I actually do it?



Thanks for sharing it with us Bubu, practical stuffs like this worth much more. My neighbor got bananas going on here, his land (total flat) has good drainage and he had to water the bananas for the first 2 months or it would dry out and die, after that the raining season took care of it and now it is all by itself, took many months but finally we can see the banana bunches coming out. Yes bananas roots like water, but too much of it will just rot it away. In the floods years ago in our land, we lost almost all papayas trees, it was a meter or so of water level for like weeks, the mangoes, bamboos and coconuts survived well, bananas also survived because they were not directed affected by the flood.

Bill Molison and Geoff Lawton I would say, got the very same problem, they become "super stars" in the permaculture circle, when Mr. Molison was alive his PDC was damned expensive and guys like George W. Bush and Emmanuel Macron was his student as well as many people in the political scene around the world, he was without any doubt a very well connected person. Geoff Lawton in other hand has a dubious background (I can't confirm that, there is just rumors about that), his real name is "Jamal Al Dean or Deen" and he went from a marijuana grower and distributor in Australia to a permaculturist world wide recognized and today has strong ties with the Jordanian Royal Family, and there is some allegations that his permaculture institute in Amman Jordania is just a front for washing money (drug money?? who knows).. This are all rumors on internet and I do not identify with that nor I care about it. The only thing that matters is what these two persons wrote and recorded as teachings of permaculture and it is very doable to take in, we can always filter the information, also there is many more wonderful people into permaculture, and the good news is, the number of people is growing. :)

The things about Zones Bill Mollison talk a lot about, if you are starting a design from scratch, it is "easier" to do things by the book, because one can plan the zones in the property, otherwise if you already got a property running and you want to adapt it to the permaculture model with zone designing, that could be a daunting task in my opinion, I had seen many failures in that respect, I myself tried to convert my land with zones and it won't work by the book, because in my opinion if leaves lots of empty spaces in the land that could be used for something, I end up coming with a different solution that is called "complete space filling" as showed in the image bellow. (it will work better for small plots like mine). I still agree with many principles of permaculture.

https://images2.imgbox.com/f9/c4/Kmu212A8_o.png

and here is my draft I did years ago, I have many different, but this one gives an idea of the drama when trying to design land by the permaculture book.

https://images2.imgbox.com/02/4f/tyFi4mDi_o.jpg
(in my design, from zone 1 to zone 2 and 3 it created angles which usually will be an empty space in the land, since it is already a small plot I want to use it 100% - then separate by zones as used in the permaculture principles does not worked well)

Rodents are a disgrace, you will have to divert them to the compost pile (make one for them if necessary), do you add food scraps to it? My in-law has a large compost pile and he adds all sort of things in there, including food scrap, seems to work, no rats around the house or in the plantations, but he is planting cassava only, nothing much for rodents in there.

If I learn something about rat control I will post later on this thread. Here I leave another question, how to control monkeys? Some periods of the year, like now (summer) monkeys come around looking for food, but it started recently last 2 years, they disgrace the entire place, destroy the plants, herbs, they do a hell in just a few minutes and vanish carrying out whatever they can, I was wondering how to keep them away, we got the slingshot but I do not have the time to be on the watch haha also heard local farmers doing lots of smoke to keep them away, but that is not an option for me.

[Bubu]

we have problem with monkeys too and also wild pigs. I will try sleeping pills when they come over for the harvest. I might raise wild pigs their meat is expensive here. As for the monkeys I still dont know what to do with them if I caught five or more sleeping soundly.

[Bubu]

as for the zoning I just don't see how it will work in my homestead. Its like rolling hills . Just one look and I knew its not going to work. The land/soil is not created equal. there are places with thin layer soils that only crawlers might survive. as well as deep soils all over. My strategy is to find the best plant for a certain soil and its definitely going to be in conflict with zonings. Zonings looks logical and promising at first glance. But when you go deeper and starts to consider all the variables like soil kind water availability and all, the concept crumbles like a sand castle.

Anyways I would like to sharte another thing that I have learned lately; weeds and other herbaceous helps my corn by providing ground cover around it. I think plant succesion is another important thing that every gardener should learn. Its like when you bare a soil the first to come are small weeds then bigger then herbs and so on. and each smaller species provides a shade for bigger ones while thay are growing and eventually die off when the bigger ones deprive them of sunlight. So now I only remove the herbs that compete for sunlight with corn and leave the small ones alone to cover the ground. When the corn deprive them of sunlight they will eventually die off. That's the time when their service as ground cover is no longer needed.

[Ewan]

Perhaps not the best thread for this little input.. I sometimes watch videos from a guy whose Youtube Channel is called Mossy Bottom (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6vcadTSSQKVsdOudnbqwtg). He is English but quit his city living to move to Ireland and run a smallholding.

In the video below he interviews a young man (31) who quit life in Dublin to live a simpler country life. He bought a place with no electricity or running water and he didn't own a car.

(I watched on 1.25 speed, bit of a slow, thoughtful, talker).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUvU9fv1jCs

[palehorse]

Perhaps not the best thread for this little input.. I sometimes watch videos from a guy whose Youtube Channel is called Mossy Bottom (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6vcadTSSQKVsdOudnbqwtg). He is English but quit his city living to move to Ireland and run a smallholding.

In the video below he interviews a young man (31) who quit life in Dublin to live a simpler country life. He bought a place with no electricity or running water and he didn't own a car.

(I watched on 1.25 speed, bit of a slow, thoughtful, talker).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUvU9fv1jCs



Thanks Ewan, it makes total sense to post it here, I started watching now.

Taking the opportunity, I would like to share another good resources:

There is another guy, he has a channel on youtube as well, but sorry I don't have the URL, I have only his name, which is "Martijn Doolaard", basically he bought 2 little stone cabins in the Italian alps and he restored it and actually lives inside one.. he made a sequence of videos telling the story which is quite nice.

His goals is to create an off the grid full homestead, he also comments about how much he paid for his property and everything else that matters, you will be surprised about the prices in some areas with hard access. :)

Another channel featuring amazing stories of living off the grid is "Kirsten Dirksen" she made a nice video about "Johannes Hermit" the priest, he lives in the Italian alps as well (Martijn Doolaard's neighbor) in a self sustainable way, lots to learn with these people..

there is one very important observation to take into consideration in all these videos, including Ewan's video: To start a community, all is needed is 1 fully dedicated person, you can see how a community start with 1 individual and then another one and another.. this is the organic growth of a community.

[Peace in Oz]

Another channel featuring amazing stories of living off the grid is "Kirsten Dirksen" she made a nice video about "Johannes Hermit" the priest, he lives in the Italian alps as well (Martijn Doolaard's neighbor) in a self sustainable way, lots to learn with these people...


Young priest turns forsaken farm into paradise homestead
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Five years ago Catholic priest Johannes Schwarz left his parish to "withdraw for a few years" in the Italian Alps (in the shadow of his beloved Monte Viso). He bought an old "rustico" - stone farm building - for 20,000 euros and transformed it into his mountaintop hermitage.

Inspired by the early Christian desert hermits from the "200s and 300s when some people went into the deserts of Egypt and Palestine searching for a more rigorous life", Schwarz found something remote: he has only one full-time neighbor on the entire mountainside and in winter, he often has to snowshoe for a couple hours just to buy food and supplies.

To be as self-sufficient as possible, he makes his own bread and stores plenty of potatoes which he grows using Ruth Stout's "No-Work" gardening method. To grow much of his own fruit and produce, he terraced the steep hillside (using stones from the area) to create micro-climates. "You try to build walls that have southern exposure because they heat up during the day and they give off the warmth and can make a difference of several degrees." (Studies show differences of 27°F/15°C in the ultra-deep Incan terraces). He grows plenty of tomatoes inside his self-built recycled greenhouse.

For heating and cooking, he built a combination rocket stove and masonry heater by creating his own casts and loam coating. His refrigerator, which he transported up the hill on top of his bicycle, is kept in the unheated room, along with his food stores. He uses a tiny 30-year-old 3-kilogram washing machine and built his bathroom out of salvaged materials. To transport the lumber up the hill for his remodel, he got some help from a local farmer.

He divided the old barn into four small rooms on two floors; the living room/kitchen and pantry on the ground floor and a chapel and bedroom upstairs. His bedroom also serves as an editing studio where he creates videos on philosophy and religion.

He created a wooden-arched indoor chapel where he “celebrates the traditional Latin mass” alongside a wall he painted with Byzantine, romanesque and gothic styles in appreciation of "the symbolism of the ancient art."

[Peace in Oz]

Finding the Most Secluded Cabin in Switzerland
Posted the video for the breath taking scenery, rather than the cabin (couldn't help it:p)
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[palehorse]

Thanks @Peace in Oz for the last two posts, appreciated that.

[Delight]

I have been aware for many years that Urine is a very fine fertilizer. My Mother who was an avant gardener (deliberate play on words) grew GIANT aloe vera plants. She told me she used diluted urine.


Urine As Fertilizer: Myth Or Valid Method?
Published June 29, 2021 (https://www.epicgardening.com/urine-as-fertilizer/)

Many gardeners are interested in achieving self-sufficiency and living off of their own abilities and the land. To cultivate a successful garden, we often need to include additional inputs like compost and fertilizers to keep up with the demand on the soil nutrients to grow crops. Store-bought fertilizers and manures often contain waste products from other animals like worms, chickens, and even bats. What if we can produce our own endless and free supply by using our urine as fertilizer?

The main components in commercial fertilizers, nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium as well as micronutrients, are produced by the human body. In fact, humans have been using pee as fertilizer long before the invention of modern chemical fertilizers. Urine is the original and free liquid gold.

According to the Stockholm Environment Institute, a person can produce as much urine per year to fertilize 300-400 square meters or roughly 3200-4300 square feet of crops! Used at a household level, the urine that a family produces is more than enough to help sustain a home garden. If adopted at scale, capitalizing on human urine could tackle both sanitation and food security challenges around the world.

Urine as fertilizer
Applying urine as fertilizer may sound strange but is quite effective.
Living in modern society, we are accustomed to our waste products being flushed away and processed at wastewater treatment plants. If the idea of using urine in the garden grosses you out, maybe it helps to know that urine has been historically used for many purposes. From softening leathers to bleaching clothes, urine and other bodily waste have been prized commodities since antiquity for many cultures around the world.

What Is In Urine
Urine is a liquid waste product as a result of our kidneys cleaning and filtering our blood. Typically, urine contains around 95% water and the rest are a mix of salts including sodium, potassium and chloride, urea, and uric acid. Due to the high water content in pee, the more you drink, the more you have to go. For a healthy person, human urine typically has a pH of around 6.2 with a range of 5.5-7.0. A person’s diet and alcohol consumption can also affect the pH of their urine.

The main organic component of urine is urea, a combination of ammonia and carbon dioxide, which is the byproduct of our bodies breaking down proteins into usable amino acids. Urea is very high in nitrogen, a key ingredient to healthy leafy growth in plants. In addition to being very nitrogen-rich, urine also contains dissolved phosphorus that’s immediately available to plants, making urine a quick-acting fertilizer.

Social and Environmental Benefits of Using Urine
The environmental impact of producing and using chemical fertilizer has been well documented. For example, phosphorus, a key ingredient in commercial fertilizers, is typically mined and is a limited resource. Using too much fertilizer that runs off into the local watershed has also been shown to cause algal blooms and dead zones in the water system.

In 2014, the city of Amsterdam launched a campaign to raise awareness of phosphorus shortage by setting up public urinals and educating the public on repurposing pee as a plant fertilizer. In parts of the world where chemical fertilizers are cost-prohibitive, it’s even more important to be able to recycle nutrients and create a closed-loop system using this free resource, thus converting waste into treasure. Tapping into this free resource could help farmers increase their yields and address a piece of the global food insecurity challenge.

Is It Safe To Use Urine As A Fertilizer?

If you own a dog, you may be familiar with yellow patches on your lawn where your pet has peed. Dogs and cats excrete fresh urine with a higher quantity of urea than humans do and that can more easily burn a plant upon contact. For the purpose of this article, we are going to address using human urine, which contains less urea and thus less ammonia.

Despite Bear Grylls drinking urine in his popular survival shows, urine is not sterile. It picks up trace amounts of bacteria as the sterile version passes through the bladder, the urinary tract and comes in contact with the skin. Still, the health risks of using urine are very low because urine does not typically contain pathogens found in feces. Infectious diseases like cholera are spread through water sources contaminated by poop. In areas with poor sanitation, there is no way to separate solid and liquid waste which is why all untreated mixed sewage can pose significant public health risks.

When not to use pee
The health of the person producing urine does matter for use in the garden. If you are taking medication or undergoing hormone treatment, your urine will likely contain chemical or hormonal residues. It is best in that case not to use your urine as fertilizer because these micro-pollutants can be taken up by plants and may negatively impact microbial activity in the soil. Along the same vein, it’s best not to use your urine if you are experiencing a urinary tract infection which is typically caused by bacteria including E.coli.

Urine naturally contains salt and the amount can vary depending on a person’s diet. Urine use in arid areas could cause salinization of the soil and should be carefully monitored. Different plants have different tolerances to salt in the soil but an excess concentration of salt could adversely impact plant health and growth. For example, vegetables like potatoes and onions are very salt-sensitive whereas olives and barley are tolerant. Some leafy greens like kale and are moderately tolerant.

How Urine Can Be Used As A Fertilizer
Stored urine
Store urine in a fully sealed container. Source: Sustainable sanitation
Researchers around the world have been testing the effect of urine on plant growth and production. Positive results have been documented on cereals in Europe and Africa, cabbage and spinach in South Africa, and bananas in India, just to name a few. There is strong evidence in the literature and field research to support the use of urine to promote healthy plant growth.

There are a few rules of thumb when it comes to using pee in the garden. Store or handle urine in a closed container, and apply it directly to the soil instead of on plants. Creating a foliar spray is not recommended. Young plants typically need more nutrients during their growth stage and spacing out the timing between applying the fertilizer to harvesting can further help to decrease health risks, especially if the crop is to be consumed raw.

Dilute urine with water or apply as an undiluted solution. Many of the papers mentioned above used a diluted version. There are variations to dilution from 1:1 to 1:15 with the most common formula being 1:3. Add water to dilute urine as close to the application time as possible to ensure that the solution will not harbor mosquitos. Applying urine close to the soil, watering it in, or using a dilution can all help with the smell.

You may have heard about using blood meal as a compost activator to heat up your pile quickly. Blood meal is high in nitrogen which is why it’s a go-to choice. The same can also be said for urine. Adding pee to your compost pile or strawbale can help kickstart an otherwise slow composting process.

Aging urine
Nepal is one of the countries with a long history of using urine to improve soil nutrients for farming. According to Nepal’s Central Horticulture Center, urine should be stored in an airtight container for at least two weeks to a month and mixed with compost before use. Similarly, in a 2020 study published by the University of Michigan, the research found that aging human urine in sealed containers over several months can further decrease the risks of using pee as fertilizer. This university study tested urine stored for 12-16 months and found that ammonia levels increased over time and killed most bacteria found in fresh urine.

Frequently Asked Questions
Second comparison with older plants
Another comparison of urine fertilization in basil vs no fertilization. Source: Sustainable sanitation
Q: Is urine good for the garden?

A: Urine contains a lot of nutrients that are beneficial for plant growth such as nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Many cultures around the world have historically been using pee as a fertilizer and many modern researchers have also found similar results in field tests on cereals, leafy vegetables, and fruits. Urine is a free and sustainable source of nutrients that is appropriate for both agricultural and home settings.

Q: Does human urine kill plants?

A: All fertilizers, including human urine, should be used in moderation. Just as using too much chemical fertilizer can burn plants, using too much urine can harm plants by causing nutrient burn. To decrease the likelihood of urine killing plants, urine should be applied to the soil at the base of the plant instead of directly on the foliage.

[palehorse]

I have been aware for many years that Urine is a very fine fertilizer. My Mother who was an avant gardener (deliberate play on words) grew GIANT aloe vera plants. She told me she used diluted urine.


quite true, I did an experiment with that a few years ago with basil plants, they were huge! :bigsmile: also CO2 applied in certain amount (i think up to 1500ppm) for example in a greenhouse will maximize crop yield, there is sensors to measure that amount, they are inexpensive today (about $10).

This thread may interest someone:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=869285&highlight=humanure#post869285

[palehorse]

Another nice video I came across today, Kris Harbour took around 5 years to build his place, you can watch the details in his video (23:49) here:

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[onawah]

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"Since Russia’s full-scale invasion into Ukraine, Sweden has grown more wary of Russian aggression. The Swedish government wants its citizens to be ready for the worst-case scenario and is encouraging them to become "preppers."

After Russia illegally annexed the Crimean Peninsula in 2014 and stepped up military exercises along the Baltic states, Sweden responded in 2017 by reintroducing compulsory military service. Sweden is expanding and better equipping its armed forces, while gradually increasing its defense budget. When Sweden requested NATO membership earlier this year, it marked a historic reversal of the nation’s longtime stance of military non-alignment.

Now, it’s up to Swedish citizens to ready themselves for the unthinkable and actively prepare for disaster. Robin has been prepping for years. The father sees to it that his home in Stockholm always has enough supplies for his family to survive independently for several weeks. He takes regular trips to the forest to spend a few days in the wilderness. His children always come with him, so that they, too, can practice survival skills.

In Sweden, interest in prepping is at an all-time high. Across all social strata, people are carefully stocking tins, training survival skills, and even learning how to shoot. And the preppers are networking. Pär Plüschke is 38 and offers prepping courses. He says enrollment used to be manageable but now he can hardly keep up with the demand.

In the wake of intensifying armed conflicts, the disastrous effects of climate change, and a growing threat of cyber attacks, more and more Swedes want to take action. Instead of simply discussing these issues, they feel this is the best way to assume responsibility for themselves and protect their community."

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[onawah]

There are some some playlists of videos from National Geographic about prepping
See:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hcp6W-_-vQ&list=PLivjPDlt6ApSswsw9QsxjHk8vz-krPYCR
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60h7espMXww&list=PLivjPDlt6ApRNwQjjZrQf1qYQghJ6-ijX

[palehorse]

Found a nice Thai animation from Mahidol University promoting the philosophy of sufficiency economy and the new theory on agriculture created by the late King Bhumibol. It is in English and it is almost 1 hour long. I promise you will not waste your time watching it. Seems a bit cheesy in some parts, but the general idea in my opinion is a great message for the Thai people and for the world as well.

I found out about this little animation because of my kid, then Thanks to her I am sharing it. :)

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[palehorse]

There are some some playlists of videos from National Geographic about prepping
See:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hcp6W-_-vQ&list=PLivjPDlt6ApSswsw9QsxjHk8vz-krPYCR
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60h7espMXww&list=PLivjPDlt6ApRNwQjjZrQf1qYQghJ6-ijX

Nice selection of short videos, welding with the battery and the glow sticks were great! thanks.

[Blastolabs]

I've been looking into various ways to EASILY generate electricity off grid using mostly "used cheap or free parts"


My partner mentioned that nearly all washing machines these days use brush less motors that are meant to run at low speeds.

This is one item that should not be too hard to find cheap or free right now, and may actually be even easier to find if we find the world without a power grid for an extended period. I've been told that if you pay to go to a garbage dump, you WILL find these things, although it is typically illegal to take stuff from a dump, and be safe of course bla bla

Turns out this idea is NOT unique, and others have already realized that washing machine motors are ideal for a variety of reasons.




https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/stator.jpg

Don't throw out that old washing machine!!! Get this out first

Pictures of all the parts that should be removed (https://web.archive.org/web/20121025084033/http://www.yourgreendream.com/diy_fp_parts.php)



Instructions below taken from the link below, its an archive of a website from 2012 yourgreendream.com


Someone at some point discovered that these also make near perfect generators with great efficiencies, especially at lower speeds. These have also been found to have numerous other advantages. (https://web.archive.org/web/20121105020429/http://www.yourgreendream.com/diy_fisher_paykel.php)


They can tolerate large amp loads so do not easily burn out.
They are easily convertible for whatever voltage you require.
They have a stainless steel, toothed shaft for easily attaching your driving mechanism.
And they have great corrosion resistance as they are designed to be used in washing machines and thus exposed to water on occasion.
And best of all, if you live in an area in which they are sold, people usually are throwing them out once the washing machine breaks down, so you can get them for free or next to nothing.



What you need

1 Screw driver
1 large adjustable spanner
1 normal adjustable spanner
1 old flat head screw driver
1 philips head screw driver.
Drill or circular saw



How to do it



First we want to remove the main bits, the Stator and hub. These are the easy and fun bits, just few screws and bolts. Grab the washing machine and turn it upside down or on it's side so you can access the under the machine. Some have a bottom metal plate, held on by a few plastic clasps. Just pop them open with you flat head screw driver and you should be able to access the guts under the hood. It should look something like below. If it doesn't it may not be a Fisher and Paykel smart drive washing machine.


https://web.archive.org/web/20121031090020im_/http://www.yourgreendream.com/images/diy/GD_FP_DIS_01_Underneath.JPG




The first thing you notice is the huge large grey disk. This is the hub, a plastic wheel with magnets along the inside. In the center, sticking out, is a white plastic cylinder which is basically a plastic nut, holding the hub on. Hold the hub still and turn the white plastic cylinder round and round with your hands until the hub comes off. Put it in you box of bits to keep.


https://web.archive.org/web/20121031090020im_/http://www.yourgreendream.com/images/diy/GD_FP_DIS_02_Remove_Hub.JPG




And under the hub is the stator. It looks like the picture below, a white plastic wheel with lots of copper wires looped over the spokes.


https://web.archive.org/web/20121031090020im_/http://www.yourgreendream.com/images/diy/GD_FP_DIS_02_Remove_Hub.JPG




Grab your adjustable spanner and remove the four bolts holding the stator on. Add the four bolts, the stator and the two large metal washers and put the in you box of bits to keep.


https://web.archive.org/web/20121031090020im_/http://www.yourgreendream.com/images/diy/GD_FP_DIS_03_Hub_Removed.JPG

The rest of the instructions found here (https://web.archive.org/web/20121031090020/http://www.yourgreendream.com/diy_fp_remove_from_wm.php)


Here is another website that focuses on DIY off grid electronics projects.

https://www.thebackshed.com/Windmill/articles/LivingOffGrid1.asp

[palehorse]

Just a quick update on this thread

more links :)

The movie "Final Straw: Food, Earth, Happiness" by Patrick Lydon and Suhee Kang

Here is NOT the entire movie, but a short version of it (sorry, I could not find the entire movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEC_qqn6epg&list=PLKogrrq4KDY3CFZ37wb14zRHVjwngorzW

If you don't know much about Fukuoka Masanobu and Natural Farming, here is an excellent video with he himself.
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and here is a great selection in their website to help people understand the current situation of the world from the viewpoint of food producing.

https://finalstraw.org/en/study/

[ExomatrixTV]

Just a quick update on this thread

more links :)

The movie "Final Straw: Food, Earth, Happiness" by Patrick Lydon and Suhee Kang

Here is NOT the entire movie, but a short version of it (sorry, I could not find the entire movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEC_qqn6epg&list=PLKogrrq4KDY3CFZ37wb14zRHVjwngorzW

If you don't know much about Fukuoka Masanobu and Natural Farming, here is an excellent video with he himself.
DKrYuKlsJkI


and here is a great selection in their website to help people understand the current situation of the world from the viewpoint of food producing.

https://finalstraw.org/en/study/




Masanobu Fukuoka Natural Farm / Interview with Masanobu's Grandchild ― Hiroki Fukuoka:

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"He used to take me to the mountain and I liked to play there with the older children in nature. He rarely got angry with me. I thought he was a very patient person." Hiroki Fukuoka―"Masanobu Fukuoka Natural Farm" the third generation farmer― talked about natural farming as cultivating to sell. He is always trying to understand the very heart of Nature. official site: f-masanobu.jp (https://f-masanobu.jp/)

[Bill Ryan]

Just a quick update on this thread

more links :)

The movie "Final Straw: Food, Earth, Happiness" by Patrick Lydon and Suhee Kang

Here is NOT the entire movie, but a short version of it (sorry, I could not find the entire movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEC_qqn6epg&list=PLKogrrq4KDY3CFZ37wb14zRHVjwngorzW

If you don't know much about Fukuoka Masanobu and Natural Farming, here is an excellent video with he himself.
DKrYuKlsJkI


and here is a great selection in their website to help people understand the current situation of the world from the viewpoint of food producing.

https://finalstraw.org/en/study/~~~

Here's the full movie: :thumbsup:


https://we.tl/t-8dF5uGhabz (1.4 Gb mp4, downloadable for 7 days)

[palehorse]

Just a quick update on this thread

more links :)

The movie "Final Straw: Food, Earth, Happiness" by Patrick Lydon and Suhee Kang

Here is NOT the entire movie, but a short version of it (sorry, I could not find the entire movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEC_qqn6epg&list=PLKogrrq4KDY3CFZ37wb14zRHVjwngorzW

If you don't know much about Fukuoka Masanobu and Natural Farming, here is an excellent video with he himself.
DKrYuKlsJkI


and here is a great selection in their website to help people understand the current situation of the world from the viewpoint of food producing.

https://finalstraw.org/en/study/~~~

Here's the full movie: :thumbsup:


https://we.tl/t-8dF5uGhabz (1.4 Gb mp4, downloadable for 7 days)



Many thanks Bill, appreciated that. :)
Just downloaded, watching tonight!

[Peace in Oz]

I was looking for a solution to water the plants in the greenhouse while I was away. This solution works wonderfully at a very low cost and effort.

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Make Easy Plastic bottle DIY drip irrigation system for plants

[Johnnycomelately]

Good solution to slow a siphon to drip. Elegant in it’s simplicity and plainness, and cool in how it’s assembled.

To my eye, an important step of the start-up was off-screen (above) at 5:35 - 5:40, priming the siphon by (as normal) sucking it.


I was looking for a solution to water the plants in the greenhouse while I was away. This solution works wonderfully at a very low cost and effort.

UHEzJ0bet-w
Make Easy Plastic bottle DIY drip irrigation system for plants

[Harmony]

Good solution to slow a siphon to drip. Elegant in it’s simplicity and plainness, and cool in how it’s assembled.

To my eye, an important step of the start-up was off-screen (above) at 5:35 - 5:40, priming the siphon by (as normal) sucking it.




It might be that you need to use cotton or an absorbant fabric as a wick that would use capillary action (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_action) to move the water.

[Peace in Oz]

Good solution to slow a siphon to drip. Elegant in it’s simplicity and plainness, and cool in how it’s assembled.

To my eye, an important step of the start-up was off-screen (above) at 5:35 - 5:40, priming the siphon by (as normal) sucking it.




It might be that you need to use cotton or an absorbant fabric as a wick that would use capillary action (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_action) to move the water.

I used Tree Tie or All Purpose Tie as a wick. No need to prime the siphon by sucking it.:o

[Johnnycomelately]

Thank you for your comment. We’d have to try it, to be sure of it.

I haven’t looked at your reference link, but I know about capillary action. In the vid, the drips are coming out of the tube, and not just off the fabric. The set-up supports siphoning, and I think the cloth serves to slow the gravity-compelled flow and to impede air bubbles entering and rising from the outlet (which would stop the siphon).

Anyway, I’m happy for the plants and their tenders. ~8) ♥️



Good solution to slow a siphon to drip. Elegant in it’s simplicity and plainness, and cool in how it’s assembled.

To my eye, an important step of the start-up was off-screen (above) at 5:35 - 5:40, priming the siphon by (as normal) sucking it.




It might be that you need to use cotton or an absorbant fabric as a wick that would use capillary action (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_action) to move the water.

[Johnnycomelately]

Interesting, Peace. Thank you.




I used Tree Tie or All Purpose Tie as a wick. No need to prime the siphon by sucking it.

[palehorse]

We used the 2L pet bottles to watering the vases when we were out traveling for a few days, it works great. Dripping irrigation in small or large scale is very effective in places that water is a problem.

[palehorse]

Today I found this video, it worth the time watching to see how Filipe from France put so many simple things in place without breaking the bank. I am sure a lot of people can't live the lifestyle, but in a situation where there will be not many options available for those who won't accept what is coming, here is a great little blueprint of how to live a simple and happy life. He got fruits, veggies, honey all year round. He is free from the debit system, he made it with little help of the people around him.


See:
- toilet & compost system @ 2:00
- energy system @ 3:30
- water system @ 6:50
- cost of living @ 7:15 (4.000 Thai baht ~ US$ 115 /moth)
- land legal status @12:00 (he explains the land has no official *title deed, his wife may have what they call possessory right over the land or nor sor sam which kind of certificate that allows use of the land, you can buy it from others that were living in the land as squatter or not, it depends really.)

The interviewer asked him, what was his dream for the future. The answer was "my dream is now". He says the system is fake, living in community is more real than live in a fake selfish society.


here is the full video 21 minutes.
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Also plenty of interesting videos here in this channel
https://www.youtube.com/@JonJandaiLifeisEasy/videos

[palehorse]

Good advice on building an earth house on the tropics.

@ 15:50 he starts his explanation about how to use straw dipped in mud as an insulator to the roof/ceiling, it also prevents fire, since the straw will be "coated" in dried mud. Important natural technique, almost never used in modern times.

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[palehorse]

Seed saving and intentional community with Jon Jandai in Chiang Mai - Thailand

The Most Important Thing According to Jon Jondai โจน จันใด (Full Interview)
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Found this little gem earlier today, I think it fits here.

[Alekahn2]

Have been watching this gentleman's vids for some time now...am still learning how to fell a (leaning and/or rotten) tree. This man is awesome. ("Love wins")I
Apologies if this is not the appropriate thread for these videos, mods please move if so.

I introduce you to Buckin' Billy Ray Smith:

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Respect to those who possess life skills. :muscle:

[Alekahn2]

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Well done! What a wonderful duo :heart:
(and their two dogs :dog: ...at 14:20 :bigsmile:)

[palehorse]

Hi Alekahn, thanks for these videos.

Great pickup Ford in the first video, my cousin used to have one exactly like that, they don't do great Fords like that anymore.

The video I am posting below is a total contrast to your second post, it just show us the great number of options when going off the grid. :)


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The senior in the video is living all alone in harsh Siberian forest for around 20 years. That is a hell of challenge.

He says when he get too cold, he prepare a tea from spruce needles using the young leaves, put in warm water and wait for 2 hours and then drink, he claims it is really good to reduce fever and cough.

Video is 13 mins long, enjoy.

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[Alekahn2]

Greetings palehorse! Many thanks for the video above...simply astonishing. A testament to human resilience and fortitude.
My first winter upon this mountain where I dwell (2009), I lived off-grid in an abandoned, uninsulated geodesic dome
(in foreclosure!), with a woodstove which was critical to my survival.
I, however, had a 4x4 pickup truck with large All Terrain tires and I swiftly
purchased a Stihl chainsaw :happythumbsup:!! Harvesting firewood became a way of life, but it's almost unimaginable having to
do what that man did several times per day, in a Siberian winter!!

A quote from the video that struck me and resonated:

"But despite losing everything he held dear, and the
hardships that life has dealt, he never lost his kindness
or his love for those around him.
Even living in the harshest of environments
he found a way to shine a light in the darkness." :heart:

Also, I loved at the 7 minute mark when he was playing his accordion,
singing with his dog, and his dog singing back. A magical moment with
a cherished companion.

Glad you noticed the pickup truck in the video I posted too! A classic
from a bygone age.

Ciao palehorse.

[Alekahn2]

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This is a long video at 46 minutes, but when time allows,
it is inspirational and a joy to watch. I was blessed to meet
this wonderful man several years ago.

"Deep in the woods of North Carolina is a man named Joe Hollis
who has lived off the grid for 50 years. Here he has mastered the
techniques of a life tuned to nature, dependent on his natural
environment for survival. He also has the largest collection of native
Appalachian and Chinese medicinal herbs in the Eastern US."

His website: http://www.mountaingardensherbs.com
and has a YT channel @mountaingardens.

[palehorse]

Greetings palehorse! Many thanks for the video above...simply astonishing. A testament to human resilience and fortitude.
My first winter upon this mountain where I dwell (2009), I lived off-grid in an abandoned, uninsulated geodesic dome
(in foreclosure!), with a woodstove which was critical to my survival.
I, however, had a 4x4 pickup truck with large All Terrain tires and I swiftly
purchased a Stihl chainsaw :happythumbsup:!! Harvesting firewood became a way of life, but it's almost unimaginable having to
do what that man did several times per day, in a Siberian winter!!

A quote from the video that struck me and resonated:

"But despite losing everything he held dear, and the
hardships that life has dealt, he never lost his kindness
or his love for those around him.
Even living in the harshest of environments
he found a way to shine a light in the darkness." :heart:

Also, I loved at the 7 minute mark when he was playing his accordion,
singing with his dog, and his dog singing back. A magical moment with
a cherished companion.

Glad you noticed the pickup truck in the video I posted too! A classic
from a bygone age.

Ciao palehorse.


Hi Alekahn, I am glad to hear you had done that all alone, it is one of my favorite things to do too, go away for whatever time is allowed and live as simple as possible, deal with the issues that will certainly arise.
What that old man has been doing is not for everyone, he got a very strong mindset without it isn't possible to live that lifestyle, as you noticed he singing with his dog, that is so amazing and prove he reached real happiness..

I understand why you got a chainsaw haha

I got 4 different axes here, my favorite is the felling axe, but it is large, heavy and used only to put large trees down, since I don't do that because trees in our land and around are not timber but small ones and any axe can do the job, I very often use the hatchet for that, specially when cutting down branches and not the entire tree, the other one I have is a maul used to split wood in half, very useful because they have a short handle unlikely he feeling axe which is 1.25m long.. anyway I live in tropical country where cold isn't a problem year round, but falling wood can be a daunting task if your survival depends on that, like the man in the video.

from my own experience, only use wood handles for axes, avoid the ones made from fiber glass, I had a freak accident once with a broken handle, luckily I din't get really hurt. Also I got a broken handle with a hammer, same material fiber glass, I don't know why these companies insist in using weak material for heavy tools, probably because it is cheaper than a good woody handle, no other explanation.

Since I don't have to use wood at the moment, I can't say the best approach to face this situation, but in my mind I would take a day or two in a month to collect as much as possible, chop down in standard sizes and store it in a little shack for further use.

We can all learn a lot from these short movies, it is very practical teachings.

Thanks for posting Alekahn, have a good day :)

[Alekahn2]

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kaIk1ejGeM8 (26:23) :heart:

from ~Wild Forests of the Carpathians~YouTube channel

"A village that lives in harmony with nature.
No electricity is used, the bread dough is kneaded by hand
and left to ferment naturally.
I bake bread in a wood oven.
The old barn is deep in the mountains (of the Ukraine) where the
cattle live that I graze and care for..."

The mountain folk, from all corners of this planet,
are some of the most hardy, resourceful, and adaptable beings I
have met along the way. They are surely to be many
of those who will survive all that is to come here on Earth over the
next several years. Truly living 'sustainably', "living as simply as possible" (palehorse),
with less and less reliance on the structures of (a decaying) society,
developing and honing basic life skills. Utilizing
the ways of our ancestors, preserving the 'lost information'
of the indigenous, the Amish, the elders, etc.

And palehorse, I agree with you about wood handles for axes, hammers...
I recently bought a small forest axe from Helko Werk out of Germany, with
an 18" hickory handle (crafted in Switzerland) and thus far I love it.
Having been around tools most of my life, I have developed a deep appreciation
for toolmakers and designers. I too have long used a (wooden handled) splitting maul and
steel wedges. I love to see stacks of split firewood and the differing ways of storing large
amounts of wood in differing states of seasoning. At one point,for several years,
I became fanatical about collecting kindling and being able to start a fire
in any weather conditions for the entirety of the winter into spring.

Just this morning I had a new woodstove delivered and professionally installed in the house I
live in. A "Hearthstone" (with soapstone inserts and a catalytic converter), made in Vermont. I have a strong feeling that woodstoves (and firewood) will be a most valuable item in the times to come. One of my housemates is a small engine mechanic and works on a lot of chainsaws for the locals and small tree services. The greatest difficulty I foresee is access to and safe storage of fuel, (and parts) for those saws, generators, string trimmers, etc. Gasoline (esp. ethanol free) just doesn't store well for long, even using fuel stabilizers. Perhaps it will entail a return to the axe?
My (recently fractured in 2022) shoulder wouldn't like that! :bigsmile:

Be well palehorse. Let us keep learning. Much respect to you :bowing:

[palehorse]

Hey Alekahn, I loved these videos posted immediately above, these are practical things, the most desired and what people should put lots of focus right now, getting skilled.

I specially liked the interview with Joe Hollis you posted before (Thanks for that), I watched again but this time with full attention, wow he is living off the grid for about 50 years already, he is 80 years old and has a brilliant clear mind, you can notice that in the way he speaking, his clarity, just amazing and he is also an alchemist with tons of knowledge in Chinese traditional remedies and all sort of plants, really wealth man.

That is superb you had the opportunity to meet with this brilliant person. Lots to learn from him.

[palehorse]

sJhnYy2qmlU (14:48)

kaIk1ejGeM8 (26:23) :heart:

from ~Wild Forests of the Carpathians~YouTube channel

"A village that lives in harmony with nature.
No electricity is used, the bread dough is kneaded by hand
and left to ferment naturally.
I bake bread in a wood oven.
The old barn is deep in the mountains (of the Ukraine) where the
cattle live that I graze and care for..."

The mountain folk, from all corners of this planet,
are some of the most hardy, resourceful, and adaptable beings I
have met along the way. They are surely to be many
of those who will survive all that is to come here on Earth over the
next several years. Truly living 'sustainably', "living as simply as possible" (palehorse),
with less and less reliance on the structures of (a decaying) society,
developing and honing basic life skills. Utilizing
the ways of our ancestors, preserving the 'lost information'
of the indigenous, the Amish, the elders, etc.

And palehorse, I agree with you about wood handles for axes, hammers...
I recently bought a small forest axe from Helko Werk out of Germany, with
an 18" hickory handle (crafted in Switzerland) and thus far I love it.
Having been around tools most of my life, I have developed a deep appreciation
for toolmakers and designers. I too have long used a (wooden handled) splitting maul and
steel wedges. I love to see stacks of split firewood and the differing ways of storing large
amounts of wood in differing states of seasoning. At one point,for several years,
I became fanatical about collecting kindling and being able to start a fire
in any weather conditions for the entirety of the winter into spring.

Just this morning I had a new woodstove delivered and professionally installed in the house I
live in. A "Hearthstone" (with soapstone inserts and a catalytic converter), made in Vermont. I have a strong feeling that woodstoves (and firewood) will be a most valuable item in the times to come. One of my housemates is a small engine mechanic and works on a lot of chainsaws for the locals and small tree services. The greatest difficulty I foresee is access to and safe storage of fuel, (and parts) for those saws, generators, string trimmers, etc. Gasoline (esp. ethanol free) just doesn't store well for long, even using fuel stabilizers. Perhaps it will entail a return to the axe?
My (recently fractured in 2022) shoulder wouldn't like that! :bigsmile:

Be well palehorse. Let us keep learning. Much respect to you :bowing:


in one of the videos there is the shack super packed with wood, that is exactly what I had in mind haha

Thank you for your posts here, we all have so much to learn with each other, I think one lifetime isn't enough :bigsmile:

[palehorse]

More inspirational videos, this one is from Russia, Taiga people living in Tashtagol area located right in the middle of Eurasia.

Notice the kids in the first few minutes doing their own BBQ, lovely.

"For a long time, taiga people lived without electricity, gas, communications and roads. And only in 2019, the authorities provided every house with solar panels. Now the locals have refrigerators and TVs in their homes. But still there is no cellular communication and the Internet. There is no school. In September, children are sent to a boarding school in Tashtagol. And they come to their parents only for the holidays. It was such a time that we found them in this amazing village."

I just think the kids should not leave their families, but beside that, seems like they got everything they need.

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[Ewan]

A little bit disappointing to see plastic (disposable) cups have reached all the way out there, aside from that what a wonderful life and location.

Kids (everywhere) could teach adults a lot about acceptance and non-judgement. Before education, religion, etc kick in.

[palehorse]

A little bit disappointing to see plastic (disposable) cups have reached all the way out there, aside from that what a wonderful life and location.

Kids (everywhere) could teach adults a lot about acceptance and non-judgement. Before education, religion, etc kick in.


Fully agreed Ewan, unfortunately it is everywhere, even in the most remote areas.

[palehorse]

Here is an interesting video from Jon Jandai on how to build a pond using the proper shape and depth according with your soil type, also many tips on how to raise fish and natural feeding in accordance with the pond shape. Worth the shot.

Part 1 (22:40 min. - great instructions --- theory)
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Part 2 (10:28 min. - here he will show in practice how to do it)
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[palehorse]

Here is a continuation video on how to maintain a health pond. Some really useful tips about aquatic plants and snakes! Snakes like grassy area, but they like water too, if the pond is covered with aquatic plants, be very careful getting inside it.

He specially goes about aquatic plants like water mimosa (edible), water hyacinth (good as water filter but it is very invasive - also edible), morning glories (edible), water lettuce (pistia) and more.

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(11:47 min. )

[RMF808]

Bump!!!

I am feeding the opening post only with the links to keep it organized and easy to find. More links to come soon.
If you know more places that can help those looking for work or even join some community, please post here, doesn't matter where you are located, there is always someone around you in need, that is the time to help each other, situation world wide is deteriorating pretty fast, lots of people without income, time to break free from the matrix of control and be ourselves and live in accordance with the natural laws of the planet.

Screw the globalists bastards with their useless solutions!

Aloha Palehorse, permaculture and community really are great passions of mine. Although, the permaculture stuff seems to come very easily to me, the community part has been hard. I’m out here on the Big Island of Hawai’i searching for my clan. Thank you so much (mahalo nui loa) for starting this post!!!

Anyone out here or interested, pease reach out to me. Nothing but love for you if you will let me.

Aloha

[palehorse]

Bump!!!

I am feeding the opening post only with the links to keep it organized and easy to find. More links to come soon.
If you know more places that can help those looking for work or even join some community, please post here, doesn't matter where you are located, there is always someone around you in need, that is the time to help each other, situation world wide is deteriorating pretty fast, lots of people without income, time to break free from the matrix of control and be ourselves and live in accordance with the natural laws of the planet.

Screw the globalists bastards with their useless solutions!

Aloha Palehorse, permaculture and community really are great passions of mine. Although, the permaculture stuff seems to come very easily to me, the community part has been hard. I’m out here on the Big Island of Hawai’i searching for my clan. Thank you so much (mahalo nui loa) for starting this post!!!

Anyone out here or interested, pease reach out to me. Nothing but love for you if you will let me.

Aloha


Aloha RMF,

That is what I am talking about, when we speak about community, it does not necessarily has to be big, a small group banding together and moving in the same direction, is all it takes, and the idea can be replicated, I am generally speaking of course, in details it is a bit more complicated, but intentional community composed by small groups spread around seems to work better than large communities where too many ideas come together :heart:

Thanks for posting too, I love to read everything about this subject :)

[Alekahn2]

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This is a 30 minute documentary about Hinewai Nature Reserve, on New Zealand's Banks Peninsula,
and its kaitiaki/manager of 30 years, botanist Hugh Wilson.
What an inspiration this man is.
"The problems are immense, but the solutions are immense too."
https://www.hinewai.org.nz
Https://www.happenfilms.com

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This short film (18:13) is part of a series called "Something Beautiful for the World",
which is collaboration between Reflections of Life, Campfire Stories, and Happen films.
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[palehorse]

This is a 30 minute documentary about Hinewai Nature Reserve, on New Zealand's Banks Peninsula,
and its kaitiaki/manager of 30 years, botanist Hugh Wilson.
What an inspiration this man is.
"The problems are immense, but the solutions are immense too."
https://www.hinewai.org.nz
Https://www.happenfilms.com


This short film (18:13) is part of a series called "Something Beautiful for the World",
which is collaboration between Reflections of Life, Campfire Stories, and Happen films.
:flower:


Wow Alekahn, the documentary is a really good one, such an amazing mind, this man got regeneration job done.

Interesting what he said at 21:02 --- "I am very happy with the level of technology I have here"

This quote is very true and wise, each person should work on it to find out what levels of technology make them happy or start to cause more issues than benefits. If cycle a bike instead of drive a car works for you, then why not? that is one thing should be fully understood by this infant society we live (I mean technology wise, we should rethink all of it and pick only what is really essential).


The second video I will watch in a bit and comment later, thank you for posting :flower:


Just to add, that the second video Alekahn2 posted is great, such a wonderful artist living in a forest, watch for yourself have your own conclusions :)

[RMF808]

All of you are my family. Thank you for being.

Over he let few years I have been making my own biochar and using it for water/air filtration, compost tea inoculation, brushing my teeth with it and adding it to my dish soap. I have done before and after microscopic analysis but I have yet to measure the pH before and after filtration. I will soon but for now, does anyone have experience with this?

[palehorse]

Hi RMF

Here is what I know about activated charcoal and biochar, since they are very similar and differ only in the way they are produced, activated charcoal has a larger surface and more porous than biochar, I think it will apply to your question:

as far as I know both biochar and activated carbon reduce acidity, Activate carbon is used in filtration system because of its pore structure making it better for absorption, biochar is more optimized for soil enhancements.

these differences between biochar and activated carbon is hard to notice, so I would not worry much about it, since the pH changes in water happen because charcoal can remove contaminants due to its large surface and in the process may also introduce some minerals like magnesium/calcium/etc into the water, and it probably increase the alkalinity due to that, so anyway, it will raise the pH slightly.

For the plants if you want to retain carbon and moisture in the soil, is a great way to go, I am sure you are already doing it :)


One thing I can tell, I have those black berkey filters, and I also have the common ones made by white clay, both filters look pretty much the same in dimensions, they both fits into my bucket, but the filtration process between them are very different, they both remove germs from the water, bacteria, etc.., but with the black charcoal filters the water taste better, I also measured the `ppm` of the water after filtration using both filters, after filtration using charcoal filters the `ppm` increased, so I believe minerals was introduced in the water (I have no way to check that unless taking the sample to a lab), using the simple clay filter there was no difference at all, the distilled water I tested was zero ppm and when out it remained as zero ppm. I will test the pH next time.

[palehorse]

found out this video, look those shelters!!! and of course the lifestyle, the size of an intentional community does not matter at all. :inlove:

Oldtimer builds rustic ecovillage in US's southernmost point - 21:43m
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[norman]

This is more about the sane reasoning for why the topic of this thread is the way to go, and quickly.

Macroaggressions - 431 - Marjory Wildcraft - Growing Your Way Towards Freedom (https://podbay.fm/p/macroaggressions/e/1713672000?t=255)
1 hour 4 minutes - Posted Apr 21, 2024

SHOW NOTES
The founder of The Grow Network, Marjory Wildcraft, is home from Anarchapulco and back on the program to remind us that we are all in trouble when the food stops being delivered to the stores. Don’t worry though, because the solution is as simple as learning how to grow food, and luckily Marjory has books, workshops, and forums dedicated to making the process as easy as possible.

As factory farms in the USA spontaneously combust, European farmers organize and push back against their governments, and the oligarchs quietly acquire massive amounts of farmland around the world, most Americans are sleepwalking their way into a disaster.

[palehorse]

This is more about the sane reasoning for why the topic of this thread is the way to go, and quickly.

Macroaggressions - 431 - Marjory Wildcraft - Growing Your Way Towards Freedom (https://podbay.fm/p/macroaggressions/e/1713672000?t=255)
1 hour 4 minutes - Posted Apr 21, 2024

SHOW NOTES
The founder of The Grow Network, Marjory Wildcraft, is home from Anarchapulco and back on the program to remind us that we are all in trouble when the food stops being delivered to the stores. Don’t worry though, because the solution is as simple as learning how to grow food, and luckily Marjory has books, workshops, and forums dedicated to making the process as easy as possible.

As factory farms in the USA spontaneously combust, European farmers organize and push back against their governments, and the oligarchs quietly acquire massive amounts of farmland around the world, most Americans are sleepwalking their way into a disaster.


Thanks for posting it. I listened yesterday and yes the warning is out long time, she just reinforced it, I think Marjory is good when come to explain things like that, she got a good sense of humor too, not too serious like some other podcasters out there, she is grounded and articulate very well, doing so she is able to reach a great number of people in the process of awakening.

We know things are crushing down everywhere and if we don't do anything about it, and I mean take care of ourselves and our families/friends, NOBODY will do, so getting a piece of land is the best start, having your own food production, having your own source of water, build your own shelter the way you like, only these basic things will give anyone piece of mind, so why not go for it?

[norman]

Most of us will never have a chance to own land and won't be able to defend it even if we could.

Invisibility is something serious for consideration and planning. Drones can't be instructed to strike what is not in the database.

[palehorse]

Most of us will never have a chance to own land and won't be able to defend it even if we could.

Invisibility is something serious for consideration and planning. Drones can't be instructed to strike what is not in the database.


Understood that, and I agree with invisibility, this is one step forward after privacy (which is in a coma right now) but most of us will not stand a chance to not be included in their databases, unless we know someone to "help", and as we know there is no free dinner anywhere, I wouldn't count with that. Others say hide in plain sight, blend, etc..

Thanks for bringing up "Invisibility", would be good to have a simple guide on it, for emergency situation, I don't know if I have anything related here, I heard Mike Adams speaking about it in one of his hundreds podcasts. Also as we know they have the capabilities to wipe out entire areas using DEW or "fabricated natural disasters" like droughts, floods, earthquakes, storms, volcanoes and other fabricated natural hazards, I am sure they could target entire areas and "hasta la vista baby".

Anyway we have to pay taxes, so we don't really own anything and never will. There is several options to consider though, one would be: to grab public land and become a squatter (go with a simple rooted structure or mobile depending on situation), it is more common than we can imagine, I know people who did, who are doing and who are the process of doing soon. I know a few homeless people living in this situation, I confess I learned a lot from them.

These large public plots are labeled by authorities normally as national parks, sanctuary of wild life and so forth and so on, the name does not matter, what matters is what it is, some has no surveillance by land at all, I mean not even an official entrance with state workers to check people getting in, I know 2 parks in this situation and both has squatters on it. I saw people living in barracks under the canopies, some are homeless people, others live in the area for decades, they all have mobile or light shelter, the most intriguing one I saw was a full house built out of stones, stunning place.

Caves are the best option for invisibility, those satellites can't detect thermal energy or heat inside the caves, large rock complexes included too. So as situation advances would be wise to know a few ones around in case of emergency and never share the location with anyone - literally a bug out cave as far as possible from the grid, usually places with no road access.

[norman]

The kind of invisibility I have in mind is more like living the life the controllers as satisfied with ( and they know where you are etc ) but to have secret operations going on for food production that they don't know about. Hence the idea I mentioned in the other thread a few days ago.

No gathering of squatters is going stand a chance. Same goes for community growing plots.

No, true invisibility is when they don't even think about you. Whatever everybody else is doing, do the opposite, etc.

The idea in the other thread has it's difficulties, I know, but hard work surviving is going to be the order of the day eventually anyway. The basic idea springs up from the basic paranoia that a weed smoker has when he wants to grow a few cannabis plants but can't just do it his garden. Putting seedlings in the ground while out for a walk seems like the most invisible we can get, to me. Building a camp to live in where the plants are is plain stupid. The place to live is where they want you and leave you be.

[palehorse]

The kind of invisibility I have in mind is more like living the life the controllers as satisfied with ( and they know where you are etc ) but to have secret operations going on for food production that they don't know about. Hence the idea I mentioned in the other thread a few days ago.

No gathering of squatters is going stand a chance. Same goes for community growing plots.

No, true invisibility is when they don't even think about you. Whatever everybody else is doing, do the opposite, etc.

The idea in the other thread has it's difficulties, I know, but hard work surviving is going to be the order of the day eventually anyway. The basic idea springs up from the basic paranoia that a weed smoker has when he wants to grow a few cannabis plants but can't just do it his garden. Putting seedlings in the ground while out for a walk seems like the most invisible we can get, to me. Building a camp to live in where the plants are is plain stupid. The place to live is where they want you and leave you be.


It is perfectly true in a totalitarian world. When that happen, the best place to be is in the wilderness, not in the cities but I do understand that taking chances in the wild is not for everyone.

"No, true invisibility is when they don't even think about you. Whatever everybody else is doing, do the opposite, etc."
If the individual is already in their databases they can be tracked for everything that is "mandatory", so if the record of one of these mandatory [objects] is missing in their databases, they know certain individual didn't partook in their offer, if you are inside the grid they can pin point your location and sure will take you for a ride for questioning or worse, but outside the grid premises they will have to search for the individual in the vast land, even with the use of AI, drones, robots, satellites, [name_it], still a long shot to locate the so called dissidents, another interesting thing to take seriously into consideration is the fact that the grid is the most important thing for them to protect, and the people living on it will be under constant surveillance, most of their resources are spent with the grid itself and its premises, not in the vast land. Real life example: database of recorded vaccinated individuals, they also have a database of those who refused it, since everybody is a citizen it is pretty easy to know who agree or who doesn't. Isn't possible to live in a tightly closed system without participating on it, so at some point you are in or you are out.


I totally agree with your last sentence, there is people doing it right now for different reasons. Yet another solution would be living in the wilderness, one would not even have to worry about planting anything, but knowledge of foraging plants/hunting/fishing/etc would be required in order to survive at the very least (I have to agree it is hard work on a daily basis). Like a nomadic life, this falls into the category of mobile shelter rather than rooted shelter.

[norman]

The decisions about going wild in the country will depend, a lot, on how young and strong you are, I suppose. I know I wouldn't last a month out there.

Meanwhile, for those who are fighting fit and can provide their own beef stakes . . . . .

Maybe make some of these with the power drills now and store them for later

https://t.me/AzazelNews/587290
AzazelNews/587290

[norman]

Survival Water Collection Methods (Tarp, Rain Catcher and Other Options)


https://www.primalsurvivor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/collecting-rainwater-with-plastic-tarp-tent.jpg


You can go weeks without food, but your body can only survive about 3 days without water. Before those 3 days are up, you will already be delirious and weak – not exactly the ideal state of being for survival!

For these reasons, knowing how to obtain water is one of the essential survival skills you need to know.

https://www.primalsurvivor.net/rainwater-harvesting/

[palehorse]

I watched a video a good while ago from Dr. Charles Morgan about weaponized science, this video I found on some onion site using Tor network, but it seems to be making rounds again, here is full version of it. It is about the hive mind, and this thing scares the beejesus out of me.

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The "wood stove" in the video is very original, I never seen one like that before.

So how long until they start forcing people to get microchiped, once it is done there is no way back. The microchip assembling process will start very soon. The persuasion and deceiving is running on steroids and soon at gun point.



Survival Water Collection Methods (Tarp, Rain Catcher and Other Options)


https://www.primalsurvivor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/collecting-rainwater-with-plastic-tarp-tent.jpg


You can go weeks without food, but your body can only survive about 3 days without water. Before those 3 days are up, you will already be delirious and weak – not exactly the ideal state of being for survival!

For these reasons, knowing how to obtain water is one of the essential survival skills you need to know.

https://www.primalsurvivor.net/rainwater-harvesting/


Yes, it is very important topic, the late Avalon member Mr. Ron Mauer was always pointing out how important is water, he wrote quite good posts on Avalon about this topic and his website has information on it:

http://web.archive.org/web/20210128054713/http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=178


Many people see prepping stuffs as purely entertainment, but when disaster strikes (be it a hurricane season, earthquake, volcano evacuation, tsunami, drought, flood, etc) we see those who can take action and care for themselves, loved ones, and others around, so we need prepared people that knows exactly how to deal with situations like this (forget the authorities, military, etc) and it does not mean each and everyone must be a prepper, because to be a prepper require a very broad range of knowledge and full time dedication, that is where community plays the role putting together people's knowledge, skills, etc.. the current system we live in cities is a one-way communication, people has no voice, it is a slave system. I have no doubt about that and it will get much worse we are in the brink of something extraordinary/spectacular to happen.

When someone got no life skills, got no friends, no community, the chances of survive reduces to nearly zero because that person is dependent of every aspect the system provide for them in order to survive. When a slave in the system, stop producing nowadays we call it retirement, in the near future we are going to call euthanasia or food production (A la Soylent Green style - feed the people with people), that is how much they care about you, me or us, so it is better to die trying and enjoy in the process the unique adventure we are having in this planet.

God speed for us all!

[norman]

I watched a video a good while ago from Dr. Charles Morgan about weaponized science, this video I found on some onion site using Tor network, but it seems to be making rounds again, here is full version of it. It is about the hive mind, and this thing scares the beejesus out of me.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/uHTXLAiWUDqE/



This is why they want acceptance of an ongoing universal "vaccine" platform - precision nano-tec.

He didn't mention that probably because he wasn't properly aware of what the plan and progress is at the inner core.

I've chopped a tiny little chunk out of that video at the crucial point where he DIDN'T GO (or maybe he did) but we know now, don't we?

https://rumble.com/v4s20z9-this-is-why-the-want-acceptance-of-a-universal-vaccine-platform-precision-n.html
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[palehorse]

Yet another intentional community here:

Full village living off land & craft like modern Amish: 350 families & growing - 44:48 min.
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[palehorse]

Just watch this one, another amazing couple living on Hawaii on their own for half a century.

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They are looking for a couple to manage their farm while they will be out teaching people about permaculture. Info in the description.

[palehorse]

Here is an interesting video, that goes into the knowledge of 2 people living in Appalachia, they comment about the "outsiders" buying the best land, best locations with better view and crashing the local folks, because all this behavior is driving the prices to a new high that only wealthy can afford :facepalm:

I am not from there, I don't even know this place, but I can tell it is the same thing elsewhere, the pattern is very clear. I know locals in my area saying that before they were able to hike up the hills because you know it was free land, so that was part of the culture to hike up the damn hill, but now they fenced the place, it is public land sold to a private (small people can't build there, but the rich can - moral relativism at best), so the buyer will build a large resort and as usual exploit the local folks for odd jobs. This is the modern hell slavery system the rich people are engaging into, they NEVER get enough.

I hope the tides change, and it will only happen when the locals put them all to run. What I really mean by putting them to run, would be more in line with put the "investors" to run. But governments are parasitic greedy entities, they could care less about the locals.

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[palehorse]

Another video from Peak Prosperity (2 days ago), same issue, property tax going up and soon so many can't afford jack **** anymore. We are seeing the whole thing melt down right in front of our eyes and not able to do anything. I am hearing people (actually property owners) saying the same thing in different countries. Some saying to buy gold/silver in order to keep the property in the future (betting gold will follow the same tax trend pattern).

Where are we going with that?

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[palehorse]

and here another one, just to show there is no lack of evidence of what is going on around, the economy is broken in many countries. One may not realize that yet because they still have job, but it will change overnight, already happening everywhere. A friend has a small business, she had to sell first her car to keep business afloat, now she is selling the business itself because can't afford pay the rent. She had 8 or 9 employees in her small cosmetics factory. Property became unaffordable.

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[Sasha Melnik]

and here another one, just to show there is no lack of evidence of what is going on around, the economy is broken in many countries. One may not realize that yet because they still have job, but it will change overnight, already happening everywhere. A friend has a small business, she had to sell first her car to keep business afloat, now she is selling the business itself because can't afford pay the rent. She had 8 or 9 employees in her small cosmetics factory. Property became unaffordable.

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Jon Jandai is becoming quite an influence on me. I will be replicating a few of the things he covers at a new house. His video on water filtration is especially excellent. I aim to be offgrid for water and potentially also for electricity, in a year's time.

[palehorse]

and here another one, just to show there is no lack of evidence of what is going on around, the economy is broken in many countries. One may not realize that yet because they still have job, but it will change overnight, already happening everywhere. A friend has a small business, she had to sell first her car to keep business afloat, now she is selling the business itself because can't afford pay the rent. She had 8 or 9 employees in her small cosmetics factory. Property became unaffordable.

UrG3UJh-Hx4

Jon Jandai is becoming quite an influence on me. I will be replicating a few of the things he covers at a new house. His video on water filtration is especially excellent. I aim to be offgrid for water and potentially also for electricity, in a year's time.


He is pretty good, a true farmer, he helps a lot of people to break free from this insanity of corporations out there. Not many people know about him though, what is best about Jon is his simplicity, anyone understand, he speaks for the whole audience :)

Here is another important subject he speaks about: SEEDS.

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[Abondance]

The situation can obviously be very frustrating for all those who remain "stuck" in the city. However, I believe that we need to look at things from a different angle.
1. Depending on the space and light, and if there is a balcony, you can grow crops in windows farms, pots, containers, grow rooms. Aromatic herbs such as parsley are ultra-nutritious and there are wall pocket systems to hang to make green walls.


https://zenidees.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/mur-palette-38.jpg

https://www.treehugger.com/thmb/yufiXpY1mlsxl4w17fRONhS7nNM=/1600x1200/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/__opt__aboutcom__coeus__resources__content_migration__treehugger__images__2013__07__florafelt-living-wall-system-7-f25af8d938234acda7fa97b6b1ac53e6.jpeg


2. I think it's good to have stocks of small useful things to barter, which can really help out a neighbor, a friend, someone in the neighborhood... batteries, matches, chocolate, sardines, toothpaste, etc.

A few years ago, I read testimonies from people who have lived through recent wars like in Serbia or economic crises like in Argentina. There are women who would have given anything to get a tube of lipstick, and the one who had enough to refill the lighters always had a bargaining chip...


And then, your greatest value is your practical knowledge. If you are a manual worker or handyman, you can exchange service for food or other service.
Have books that tell you how to fix everything with next to nothing. If possible, develop micro-networks of neighbours or with small shopkeepers/craftsmen in your neighbourhood. Bartering could save the day more than once in case of restrictions and shortages.
There is always a way to get organized and help someone who will give you a hand in return.

But don't let anybody else knowing exactly what you have in stock.

[palehorse]

The situation can obviously be very frustrating for all those who remain "stuck" in the city. However, I believe that we need to look at things from a different angle.
1. Depending on the space and light, and if there is a balcony, you can grow crops in windows farms, pots, containers, grow rooms. Aromatic herbs such as parsley are ultra-nutritious and there are wall pocket systems to hang to make green walls.


https://zenidees.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/mur-palette-38.jpg

https://www.treehugger.com/thmb/yufiXpY1mlsxl4w17fRONhS7nNM=/1600x1200/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/__opt__aboutcom__coeus__resources__content_migration__treehugger__images__2013__07__florafelt-living-wall-system-7-f25af8d938234acda7fa97b6b1ac53e6.jpeg


2. I think it's good to have stocks of small useful things to barter, which can really help out a neighbor, a friend, someone in the neighborhood... batteries, matches, chocolate, sardines, toothpaste, etc.

...

But don't let anybody else knowing exactly what you have in stock.


Very nice tips and important warning to not let anyone know about your personal stock.


Here is yet another option, if one wants to get out of the cities, I came across this video, I almost discarded it due to the lame title, but decided to watch entirely and the tips from this old man is pretty much genuine, I felt like I was back in time when backpacking around the world lol

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46 minutes

It worth watching, his list of how to get out of the cities without money or with little money is pretty good.

[Flagrant_Disregard]

Want a better anything? Seems you have to do it yourself, which, as aforementioned, is next to impossible alone. Enter Food Church (www.food-church.org)

These guys are offering free placement for any and all who want to take part in empowered community. They are building communities, teaching skills, and offering free food and lodging in exchange for 20 hours labor per week.
Landowners are encouraged to donate land or build new communities.
Communities in need of additional labor and/or resources are welcome to apply for free support.

Also just learned about this global network doing great things! https://viacampesina.org/en/

[Ewan]

On the importance of heritage seeds and seed-saving.

(Sources for Heritage seeds online listed below)

Ireland

https://sowdiverse.ie/

https://irishseedsavers.ie/product-category/organic-heirloom-seeds/

UK

https://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/what-we-do/hsl

https://www.realseeds.co.uk/

https://vitalseeds.co.uk/product-category/vegetable-seeds/

https://heritageorganicseeds.com/organic-vegetable-seeds/

France

https://kokopelli-semences.com/en/c/seeds/vegetable-seeds

Germany

https://www.bingenheimersaatgut.de/en/organic-seeds/vegetables.html

https://www.magicgardenseeds.com/


America

https://www.allianceofnativeseedkeepers.com/

https://www.anniesheirloomseeds.com/

https://www.epicgardening.com/organic-heirloom-seed-companies-usa/ (State by State list of suppliers.)

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First seen here Poisoning the Food Supply (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117557-Poisoning-the-Food-Supply&p=1640540&viewfull=1#post1640540)

[Abondance]

I started in my small village a monthly meeting club for amateur gardeners around the themes of permaculture, electro-culture, evergreen and edible wild etc. We make plant troc, cuttings, skill workshop like grafting, cooking etc. We are from several villages around. This makes an interesting micro-network that will give more resilience in the event of hard times, and as we do not all have the same soil or cultivation conditions, this allows to group on the same geographical area many more varieties.

[palehorse]

Land for sale in Patagonia Chilena

Found this website the other day when looking some classifieds in Chile, apparently there is only 1 plot for sale of about 1 hectare in size, price is absurd about $100.000.
This land is 100% off the grid, the only water you get there are from the glaciers and the river.

https://www.ibanezriverside.cl/en


I wonder if places like this can be easily found in a SHTF scenario.

Location of the property: Las Vertientes, Río Ibáñez, Aysén, Chile (there is an airport 2 hours North from this place), the locations surrounded by national parks and is possible to reach by vehicle too, it require the use of ferry at certain points, a hell of a trip to Patagonia Chilena do Sul.

This website is just one example of what is expected to a high-end (I guess), I bet it is possible to lease land there for a fraction of this value, after all it is literally the end of the world :)

The travel time from Temuco (not even close to Santiago) to Río Ibáñez (Aysén region) may take up to 40 hours depending on weather condition. Seems like a perfect bug out place.

[Bill Ryan]

I wasn't sure where to post this! I have a memory of videos posted somewhere on the forum showing disastrous (and sometimes hilarious!) accidents caused by people trying to fell trees, or remove large branches, who had no idea what they were doing. (But I can't find that just now!)

This might be the first of several posts, and I'll record everything with my own photos and video. I have a bunch of large trees very close to my house, and one of them has partially come down, leaning severely and causing a domino effect on several other trees and large branches. The result is a whole bunch of chaos, but thankfully my house was 100% untouched. It's hard to know how stable it all is, so all this has to be very carefully cleared up without causing any more damage.

Here's what happened:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/fallen_tree_1.jpg

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/fallen_tree_2.jpg

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/fallen_tree_3.jpg

My friend Gilberto is going to come down with his chainsaw to help start making it all safe. But like the kids' game Pickup Sticks...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aZ-z7-PrWx8/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLDCyfhWbvruff-WpxF47D8Bh1ZXag

... we have to think it out it very carefully to only move one big branch at a time without disturbing anything else and making it worse. So — we're looking forward to quite a lot of interesting and challenging fun. :)

:ROFL::fingers crossed:

[Bill Ryan]

Re my post just above a couple of weeks ago, here's an update on my tree-clearing and tree-safing operation, quite a major project.

It's way too complicated to describe in detail everything that Gilberto and I had to do, but we managed to fell the very large and heavy tree branch that had split and which would have crashed on top of the house of it had split further.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/fallen_tree_1a.jpg

When all that fell, it brought down a number of other branches, but none of those actually damaged the house either. Here are a couple of small videos showing how I was able to drag a couple of them safely out of the way with a strong rope and my 4x4. (The second video is shorter and maybe slightly more interesting.)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/branch_removal_1.mp4

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/branch_removal_2.mp4

Just one tree was left leaning dangerously, and it was too difficult and dangerous to cut it down without jeopardizing the house. So I belayed it with ropes, like the way one pitches a tent so that it won't collapse in the wind.

Here you can see the rope going up from left to right:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/tree_held_by_rope_1.jpg

And here (a little harder to see) there's another horizontal rope about 50 feet up, near the top of the photo. The tree being secured is on the left of the photo, leaning directly towards the camera. The right end of the rope goes through the V of a couple of large branches of another tree which is 100% vertical and strong, and then down to the foot of another tree where it's tied off securely.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/tree_held_by_rope_2.jpg

I can't begin to describe the creativity, gymnastics and mountaineering experience it took to get those ropes into place. (Quite a lot! :ROFL:) I spent several hours on it all, spread over a couple of days. But there's now zero chance that the one remaining severely leaning tree can crash on to the roof.

I emerged (almost! :P) unscathed from what was quite a tricky project. At one point a slightly thinner rope broke which was securing a karabiner (a heavy steel snaplink), which I was using as an improvised pulley to winch one of the branches into a safer position.

The bent branch fired the karabiner at me like a giant crossbow, and it hit my face with quite some force. (I was NOT wearing safety goggles or a helmet, as I'd never imagined that could happen.) Fortunately, it didn't hit my head, eyes, nose or teeth, and instead smashed into my upper lip.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/karabiner.jpg

Here I am, after I'd stemmed the blood. (Fans of boxing will know how bloody a cut lip can be. :) But it cleaned up really quite well.)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Bill's_cut_lip.jpg

So now everything is 100% safe and secure, and I had a lot of fun methodically solving all the problems one by one. :muscle:

Does anyone else living on a homestead or a farm have any similar experiences?

:grouphug:

[JackMcThorn]

I was fortunate a few years after leaving the u.s. navy to purchase my first home with my then lovely wife. We found a nice house on a 2 acre lot that was one third woods in the back, a sort of cleared back yard, and a nice front yard. This was early 2ooo's.

My neighbor helped me fell some large trees in the backyard portion. He had several John Deere tractors and one of them had a bucket on the front and he would press on the tree while I cut it down with the chain saw so it would fall away from the house.

Well one day I was out smoking on my back patio and my neighbor came over to chit chat. Out of the blue I mentioned, gee I wonder what it is like to take a tree down with an axe. So he disappeared for a moment, went to his garage and came back with a 2-bit axe [2 edges vice one] and said here you go.

So I selected a fairly small tree, a 17" diameter oak tree. [Not knowing most trees that are taken down with an axe are soft pine.] So when he realized which tree I selected, he says well you won't get that done until next Wednesday and he and his wife left for dinner out with his family. [It was a Saturday.]

I was like - challenge accepted. So I start wacking on this tree. Working my way around it. The way I was chopping made it look like a beaver got to it, it was coming to a point. At 2 hours and 3o minutes of this activity my cell phone rings and its the wife calling to tell me we are invited to dinner with her family. I explained to her what I was doing and told her I'm almost done but I need time to get in the rain locker before we go out. She says ok. So for 15 more minutes I finished cutting the tree down and it damn near hit the garage, just barely missed it. Relieved that I got the task done in a timely manner, I cleaned up and headed into town to meet her and the family after placing the axe near his garage door.

So not thinking too much about it, the next morning I'm out on the back patio looking over my handiwork and having my coffee and first smoke and the neighbor's wife is hanging clothes on the clothesline. She says hi. I asked her if Bill seen that I got the tree down. She says he was out there with a flashlight when they got back from dinner and could not believe I got it down. [I was in good shape back then late 2o's.] He really thought it would take until the middle of the next week.

So now I knew what it was like to fell a tree with an axe. Good lord.

[Bill Ryan]

I was fortunate a few years after leaving the u.s. navy to purchase my first home with my then lovely wife. We found a nice house on a 2 acre lot that was one third woods in the back, a sort of cleared back yard, and a nice front yard. This was early 2ooo's.

My neighbor helped me fell some large trees in the backyard portion. He had several John Deere tractors and one of them had a bucket on the front and he would press on the tree while I cut it down with the chain saw so it would fall away from the house.

Well one day I was out smoking on my back patio and my neighbor came over to chit chat. Out of the blue I mentioned, gee I wonder what it is like to take a tree down with an axe. So he disappeared for a moment, went to his garage and came back with a 2-bit axe [2 edges vice one] and said here you go.

So I selected a fairly small tree, a 17" diameter oak tree. [Not knowing most trees that are taken down with an axe are soft pine.] So when he realized which tree I selected, he says well you won't get that done until next Wednesday and he and his wife left for dinner out with his family.

I was like - challenge accepted. So I start wacking on this tree. Working my way around it. The way I was chopping made it look like a beaver got to it, it was coming to a point. At 2 hours and 3o minutes of this activity my cell phone rings and its the wife calling to tell me we are invited to dinner with her family. I explained to her what I was doing and told her I'm almost done but I need time to get in the rain locker before we go out. She says ok. So for 15 more minutes I finished cutting the tree down and it damn near hit the garage, just barely missed it. Relieved that I got the task done in a timely manner, I cleaned up and headed into town to meet her and the family after placing the axe near his garage door.

So not thinking too much about it, the next morning I'm out on the back patio looking over my handiwork and having my coffee and first smoke and the neighbor's wife is hanging clothes on the clothesline. She says hi. I asked her if Bill seen that I got the tree down. She says he was out there with a flashlight when they got back from dinner and could not believe I got it down. [I was in good shape back then late 2o's.] He really thought it would take until the middle of the next week.

So now I knew what it was like to fell a tree with an axe. Good lord.That's a great little story. I don't possess an axe, and I've never used one to try to cut down anything!

But one thing I [I]have learned, which is kind of related, is that the best way to remove a big branch (or even a whole tree) is to partially sever it, in whatever way one can, and then break it off or fell it completely by pulling it with my 4x4 using a strong rope, tied as far or as high as possible from the partial cut. (I developed a neat way to tie a thick rope round a tree far higher than one could safely climb.) That way, as long as one has the space to work in, one can far more confidently control where the thing falls. :fingers crossed: :muscle:

[Ewan]

...tied as far or as high as possible from the partial cut. (I developed a neat way to tie a thick rope round a tree far higher than one could safely climb.)


Please tell us more, it may well be handy to know.

[Bill Ryan]

...tied as far or as high as possible from the partial cut. (I developed a neat way to tie a thick rope round a tree far higher than one could safely climb.)


Please tell us more, it may well be handy to know.For sure. Very hard to explain in text, so tomorrow I'll post a bunch of fun photos showing the method. (It works perfectly every time. It might not be unique, but I have to say I've never seen it anywhere else. :))

[Bill Ryan]

...tied as far or as high as possible from the partial cut. (I developed a neat way to tie a thick rope round a tree far higher than one could safely climb.)


Please tell us more, it may well be handy to know.For sure. Very hard to explain in text, so tomorrow I'll post a bunch of fun photos showing the method. (It works perfectly every time. It might not be unique, but I have to say I've never seen it anywhere else. :))Okay, here's a demo. It's a fishing rod technique.

First, you need two long 'fishing rods'. Here's one of mine below. The ones I made are 18 feet long (5.5 meters). That's about the limit of weight + ability to control it with one hand. (The longer it is, the harder it is to handle.)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_11_sm.jpg

And here's what's at the end of one of them: a little metal screw-in 'eye' with a long, light piece of strig threaded through it.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_1_sm.jpg

The next step isn't essential, but it really helps. That's a weight of some kind at the end of the string that can be 'hooked' (see below). I use a steel karabiner (a snaplink), but anything else could be improvised.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_2_sm.jpg

Then using the fishing rod, you place the weighted string round a strong high branch of the tree. It's surprising how high you can get it up there, especially if you use a ladder as well. (It's possible to throw the weighted string up high, but that's far more hit-and-miss, it can result in difficult tangles in high branches, and the fishing rod gives you far more control.)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_3_sm.jpg

Once it's in the right place round the tree and the high branch, you can jiggle the thing, which helps the weight to pull the string down.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_4_sm.jpg

But if that doesn't fully work, or it snags or gets stuck, you use the second long fishing rod, which has a downward pointing screw-hook on it, to pull the string down to the ground.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_5_sm.jpg

So now you have the lightweight string going from the ground, up to your high point on the tree, and then back down again on the other side. The next step is to tie the rope to one end of the string.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_6_sm.jpg

Then you pull the other end of the string, and the thick strong rope is now looped loosely round the tree, just as the string was.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_7_sm.jpg

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_8_sm.jpg

Now, you tie a loop in the rope round itself, forming a slip knot. (Any knot will do as long as it holds good. This one is a bowline.)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_9_sm.jpg

Then simply pull the rope right. The rope is now securely and solidly round the tree, and how high it is depends on your skill with the fishing pole. :)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/rope_round_tree_10_sm.jpg

:happy dog:

[mountain_jim]

not usually around this thread, but recent posts remind me of a useful tool I have used to take down small to medium limbs. (maybe posted before?)

I bought a weighted pouch separately to throw the rope high enough over the limbs, then need 2 people to alternately pull to produce the chain saw action without binding the chain if one person tries alone with 2 sides of rope to close together.

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[Bill Ryan]

I have an undiagnosed water issue. My water (from the mountain spring up the hill half a mile away) is coming through fine to my filter, which is in the field about 30 feet from my house. But after that there's nothing at all reaching any of my taps, including everything in the bathroom and (of course!) the electric washing machine, which is hard-connected to the water supply.

As best I can rationalize, it's either a blocked pipe (but that seems unlikely, as the filter should take care of any mud or debris) — or an underground leak somewhere.

So it's a solvable problem (but maybe not by me :P). I have a lot of stored clean water for eventualities just like this, plus a large rainwater barrel and (if needed!) a beautiful fast-flowing river 100 yards away. If neither I nor my highly skilled friend and neighbor Gilberto can fix this (and Gilberto built his own house from the ground up, including all the plumbing), I'll have to send an SOS for some professional help.

[Ravenlocke]

Hi Bill,

Im sorry to hear that to hear that you have a plumbing problem.

I don’t suppose you have a shutoff valve to the house like we do in homes in the States.

How deep is the outside pipe buried in the ground, that is a big chore to unearth it to look for the leak or blockage.

[Harmony]

Bill, Do you clean out your filter or replace it regularly? I hope it's fiixed sòon :fingers crossed:

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

Im sorry to hear that to hear that you have a plumbing problem.

I don’t suppose you have a shutoff valve to the house like we do in homes in the States.

How deep is the outside pipe buried in the ground, that is a big chore to unearth it to look for the leak or blockage.
Bill, Do you clean out your filter or replace it regularly? I hope it's fixed sòon :fingers crossed:Thanks for the questions! Yes, there's a shutoff valve by the filter, and when I open it the water is coming through fine. (And yes, the filter was clean.) The issue, which could well be a failed underground joint, is between the valve+filter and the house. That's a distance of about 30 feet, which may need to be dug up to see what's going on.

This did happen once before — when there was a huge 7.8 earthquake in northern Ecuador back in 2016. (See this thread: M 7.8 near coast of Ecuador (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90086-M-7.8-near-coast-of-Ecuador).) Even though I was 300 miles away, the whole house shook dramatically and the same underground water pipe disconnected from its joint because the whole ground moved several inches. When I found it, it was easy to repair.

There have been quite a few house-shaking earthquakes since then (not nearly so powerful, but also not so far away), and a joint (maybe the same one?) might have been gradually dislodged or broken. So I do know the first place to dig.

All this is no stress at all. :) I have plenty of stored water, and I'm pretty comfortable living in problem-solving situations. Over the years I've become quite good at improvising solutions and making things work out. My post above wasn't really a complaint about the water issue! It was just a great opportunity to share an update about my simple little hand-cranked washing machine.

:thumbsup::)

[Ewan]

[QUOTE=Bill Ryan;1646247]

Power isn't a problem, but I have an undiagnosed water issue. My water (from the mountain spring up the hill half a mile away) is coming through fine to my filter, which is in the field about 30 feet from my house. But after that there's nothing at all reaching any of my taps, including everything in the bathroom and (of course!) the electric washing machine, which is hard-connected to the water supply.

As best I can rationalize, it's either a blocked pipe (but that seems unlikely, as the filter should take care of any mud or debris) — or an underground leak somewhere.



Was the pipe in place when you bought the property? I'm wondering if you know whether it is PVC or something like cast iron? Then the depth of pipe is important to know because if its a leak and the pipe is relatively near the surface you should be able to find a spongy area in the ground, unless of course it was ground movement ( just read your last entry above ) that caused a rupture then leaking water has a ready-made escape route. If it's more than 18" not so easy maybe.

If you know where the water line starts do you have 'line of sight' to where it enters your home? Chances are it is as straight a line as was reasonably possible to do at installation.

Do you have a metal detector? There are electromagnetic methods but the cheapest I could see was starting around 60$ and could take a while to reach you.

Failing that make a couple of twitch rods from coat hangers. Probably the fastest and most reliable method. :)

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[Bill Ryan]

Power isn't a problem, but I have an undiagnosed water issue. My water (from the mountain spring up the hill half a mile away) is coming through fine to my filter, which is in the field about 30 feet from my house. But after that there's nothing at all reaching any of my taps, including everything in the bathroom and (of course!) the electric washing machine, which is hard-connected to the water supply.

As best I can rationalize, it's either a blocked pipe (but that seems unlikely, as the filter should take care of any mud or debris) — or an underground leak somewhere.



Was the pipe in place when you bought the property? I'm wondering if you know whether it is PVC or something like cast iron? Then the depth of pipe is important to know because if its a leak and the pipe is relatively near the surface you should be able to find a spongy area in the ground, unless of course it was ground movement ( just read your last entry above ) that caused a rupture then leaking water has a ready-made escape route. If it's more than 18" not so easy maybe.

If you know where the water line starts do you have 'line of sight' to where it enters your home? Chances are it is as straight a line as was reasonably possible to do at installation.

Do you have a metal detector? There are electromagnetic methods but the cheapest I could see was starting around 60$ and could take a while to reach you.

Failing that make a couple of twitch rods from coat hangers. Probably the fastest and most reliable method. :)

5k0mZmjIE4MThanks! No metal detector (and I'm pretty sure all the pipes are PVC anyway), but yes, the coat hanger twitch rods idea is terrific. I have to try that! :)

Just now I cut the grass very short all around where I figured the pipe had to be, and there does seem to be a spongy area in one place. It's a little hard to tell for sure as this is the rainy season (though it was dry today), but if that's where the break/leak is it'll be sure to get more spongy overnight.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I just had to have someone out for a drain pipe blockage, and the young man had a neat little camera devise on a long snake, which showed the inside of the pipe on his laptop as he ran the snake down through the pipe.. He showed me just what he was saw down there. (my problem turned out to be roots, way down the line. Much cheaper to remedy than I had anticipated)

[Bill Ryan]

A water issue update. :thumbsup: (I've moved a bunch of posts about this from the Power Outages thread, where I first reported it.)

The good news is that we now know where and what the problem is. It's not a leak, it's a blockage — something very solid that's somehow got itself firmly stuck in the pipe. But we've not been able to shift it, even by pounding it from the opened-up end with a long length of steel rebar (like a long, slightly bendy steel rod.). We might have dig the entire thing up, which would be quite a lot of heavy work.

Meanwhile, I'm not chopping wood, but I am carrying water. :) I'm washing myself from a big soapy bucket, the toilet is flushed with water from the rain barrel, and I still have enough stored fresh water for quite a while. It's all one of those interesting this-should-never-go-wrong,-but-suppose-it-does?? experiences. They're always (a) rather a surprise, and (b) educational!

[Jaak]

Meanwhile, I'm not chopping wood, but I am carrying water. :) I'm washing myself from a big soapy bucket, the toilet is flushed with water from the rain barrel, and I still have enough stored fresh water for quite a while. It's all one of those interesting this-should-never-go-wrong,-but-suppose-it-does?? experiences. They're always (a) rather a surprise, and (b) educational!

I was a squatter for 18 years and for most of the years i had no running water so i had to do the same things . Even when living with running water in the house im as conservative with it as possible.

But in a way i liked carrying water into home . Physical exercise plus a meditation, quality alone time while waiting for water to fill up the 20L bottle and then taking it to home. Learned to recycle my shower water for toilet water ,shower with dirty dishes and recycle all that for toilet ... In summer times i would leave a 20 liter jug outside in the sun for couple of hours and from that i had a warm shower in the evening that was even too hot .Probably full of microplastics if i think about it now but still. In a way i think everybody should live like this for some period of time in their youth to learn , appreciate and not to be wasteful with water or anything. Century ago this is how most people lived . Most people had no running water in their home. Billions probably still dont .
Poverty and discomfort could be great teachers ...

Now im living in a house with a running water and it bothers me that im flushing toilet with clean water while my shower water just goes down the drain ... And it rains for so many months in a year in here and none of it is recycled to use in the house.
Shameful. Re-designing and re-building the water system in this house would be costly but if i had the money i would do it .

[Bill Ryan]

Meanwhile, I'm not chopping wood, but I am carrying water. :) I'm washing myself from a big soapy bucket, the toilet is flushed with water from the rain barrel, and I still have enough stored fresh water for quite a while. It's all one of those interesting this-should-never-go-wrong,-but-suppose-it-does?? experiences. They're always (a) rather a surprise, and (b) educational!After 15 (long!) days of carrying water, I've at last finally fixed the problem. And I can actually have a proper shower now.

As often happens with these kinds of things, there was more than a single issue. The pipe was blocked in two places, not one. But all is now resolved. I'm wet and muddy from head to toe, and I feel like I've been working out at the gym, but I'm also completely delighted (and I dare to say, quietly rather pleased with myself :P).

What I also learned, btw, is that an AI robot could NEVER have solved this. The AI critics are all 100% correct when they say that no AI can ever be a plumber.

:ROFL:

[Baby Steps]

You can keep chickens without buying feed. The 5 plants needed are in the video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBybPrgnRk0?si=mEZ5vi4j3VDCSQv1

These are

Moringa
Comfrey
Azolla (floating fern grows in 5 days)
Tree Collards
Amaranth (including seeds for winter)