When an Accusation like 'Controlled Opposition' loses its value!

[ExomatrixTV]

When Accusations like: 'Controlled Opposition' losses its value!

I have explained many times on countless platforms that ANYONE using the (accusative/insinuating) term: "controlled opposition"** without real hard evidence is helping, doing the job of "controlled opposition psychology warfare".

In the Netherlands (http://whynotnews.eu) I personally met 1000+ "alternative media types" of all kinds last 31 years in real life face to face, like: Anarchists from Amsterdam, Christians, Atheists, "New Agers", Shamans, dozens of professional documentary makers, highly intelligent classical liberals (not the dumb Neo-liberals of today), dozens of (dissident) professors, 100+ authors exposing stuff, real whistleblowers who were in the news, all kinds of people working for MSM but admitted they do not dare to show their true face: fear of losing their job.

Also personally met several "high up" key-people in real life who are part of the biggest Dutch Skeptic Foundation called "Skepsis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stichting_Skepsis)" with their magazine "Skepter" went to their lectures and they also came to mine (as I gave over 80 lectures throughout the Netherlands) ... Most key-people working for Skepsis are used by Mainstream Media to "debunk" anything that is controversial, like "professional" gate keepers serving corporate interests, fanatically defending the government pushed narratives for decades ... Even they can have multiple "faces", meaning: what they say out-loud in public versus what they really think when you talk to them alone personally face to face.

I can go on and on and on how many different types of people there are within ANY "media" how they work and why, who they serve and how, what their true face is but mostly have no "luxury" of sharing any form of dissent.

Some feel the need to "help" the Alternative Media narrative any way possible, even if that means shouting the term: "controlled opposition" virtue signaling how "good critical thinkers" they are (not!) ... showing not to "join the bandwagon" of anything that is hyped.


The fear of being "fooled" can often be much bigger than the fear of being accused of helping to spread false accusations/insinuations.

Accusations (smear & slander) towards easy targets of people who are already attacked by others on so many sides ... (metaphorically) kicking people who are already on the ground, using "mob mentality" BECAUSE they are afraid they become part of the "wrong group" which is often NOT the case but they just assume the worst "just to be sure" you do not "fall" in that assumed creepy category.

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So sad that some people assume you suppose to be "part of this or that" by pointing at (sharing) alternative perspectives you find interesting or important. Even if you are NOT a follower of anything, you just want to learn from all sides to see the bigger picture ... When you do this passionately it will take almost no effort, as it goes naturally ... But if you are in a state of fear (like: "what others might think") and have a permanent "thought police" in your head, wanting to "fit in", to belong etc. etc. >>> that will DRAIN energy out of you if you are confronted with endless conflicting insights challenging your (tunnel vision?) views >> connected to all kinds of emotional triggers. This kind of psychological mechanism is 99,9% predictable behavior I see in so many "activists".

Within Dutch Alternative Media Network (http://whynotnews.eu) you have some loudmouth people (https://www-martinvrijland-nl.translate.goog/over-mij/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en) who love to accuse others in Alternative Media Network just because they disagree with a part of what others claim ... they feel threatened they are accused being "associated" with others who "pollute the waters" and if anyone says similar things you say (but add some "wrong think" perspectives) can already be seen as "possible controlled opposition" ... it is far easier to use that label/judgment than being really specific why you have issues with some one who has similar ideas you have.

Some big prominent figures (https://www-martinvrijland-nl.translate.goog/over-mij/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en) in the Alternative Media Scene see themselves as "above" all the others and do not like to be challenged ... if you do (and you have a reasonable big following), withing days you will see he will call you: "controlled opposition" just because you have the audacity to challenge his assumptions & flaws ... There are many layers of challenging some one: you can do it respectful, well grounded, specific, explaining why you think it is necessary to point the flaws without assuming some one has "ill intentions" or has an "hidden agenda" etc. ... But the receiver of any (constructive) criticism does not do that in return as it does not "compute" ... more like: "you are with us or you are with the enemy" mentality.

Long before the "controlled opposition" accusations were used ... I already saw patterns of behavior how to frame ANYONE you disagree with or disagrees with you publicly ... this "public shaming" became an "art" in itself ... it is what I call: "mental reflex defense mechanisms" ... you just call people names and let the rest of your gang do the rest ... Does not have to be 100% correct (being hyperbolic & using all kinds of exaggerations) as long you have enough "like minded" spirits joining your crusade against "the other" ... In that framework / setting using the label: "controlled opposition" is just the cherry on top of the cake. Even people who ate not part of this mob-mentality (gang) can somehow be "convinced" with sections of it and use it for their personal grievances with some one.

Sigh ... :facepalm:

Yeah, it is for me so obvious that most who accuses the other of being "controlled opposition" does that to shut down being reasonable, balanced, showing willingness to learn from people having their own flaws and (often self-imposed) limitations as we all have them.


Metaphor

If you can find the "fly in the soup" in a restaurant you obviously do not want the soup anymore and demand compensation ... but if you can convince someone you found something that looks like a "fly in the soup" in a restaurant but it was not a fly ... if enough people around you beLIEve your faulty perception is often ENOUGH for the restaurant owner to ACT if you are telling the truth even if it is not ... What kind of psychological mechanism do we see here? ... This tactic is more and more used in almost all alternative media networks (http://whynotnews.eu) ... not everybody is like that but just enough for some to join this idiocy.

How many people feel uncomfortable being surrounded by others who disagree with you and visa versa ... The reason I do not feel uncomfortable is that I am truly lucky I have a mother studying psychology at University in Maastricht when I was 8 years old ... She also worked part-time in a big shopping center as a "detective" in civilian clothing looking for pickpockets & thieves in the store ... One day she brought me with her and explained how you can spot deviant behavior of suspects to predict if someone is about to do something illegal. Years later she became a "flower power hippy" and full time activist being on radio & tv, news papers and such ... so am used to see people having many faces & phases.

It is okay to be different & unique was my upraising and she gave me plenty tools how to cope & deal with people judging me. Later many other deep thinkers, practical philosophers & pioneers like: Willem De Ridder (https://willemderidder.com/eng/page.htm) who helped me to produce my own Radio & TV shows on Amsterdam ... same for Luc Sala (http://www.lucsala.nl) who also gave me a platform to produce my own Amsterdam TV shows all of this happened between 1990 and 1998 when I lived in Amsterdam ... this eight year time-period meeting so many interesting people face to face was all before the internet was available to everybody. That was a magical time to me ... and gave me the foundation how I cope with things today.

When people feel threatened because others think different than you it may trigger a behavior that has nothing to do with living in self-honesty ... Unless you are aware what is happening to you and observe your own behavior, what I call the: "neutral, non-judgmental observer awareness" (we all have within us) ... Then you let go of the (self) conditioning and become more grounded more relaxed about it ... Nowadays it seems more and more people have (general) anxiety (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety) issues including some people who are part of the Alternative Media Scene (http://whynotnews.eu).

My passion to communicate with everybody in the Alternative Media World has multiple reasons: ... I want amongst others, discover what true faces are behind many masks people use to "fit in" a certain framework of expectations. What I have learned is that almost nothing is what it seems to be >>> meaning it is mostly more positive when you find the core of peoples personality not judging what you see at the surface.

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** for the record: Controlled Opposition does exists and can have many forms ... like having genuine heartfelt people being bribed & threatened changing their tune to serve an hidden agenda ... The danger of any opposition being hijacked is real ... But that does not mean everything that is "fishy" or "strange" or "off beat" or "unexpected" is evidence being "controlled".


Some "oppositions" could be created & funded by agencies like CIA but to come with real hard evidence for such a claim is not easy! ... False Flag Operations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) , Military PsyOps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)) & Government payed Trolls (https://www.straight.com/news/482846/government-trolls-use-psychology-based-influence-techniques-social-media) posing as "opposition" comes to mind.


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cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV (http://whynotnews.eu)'
January 16th, 2022 🦜🦋🌳

disclaimer: am talking here in general terms, please do not take it personally

[waves]

I don't think demonizing good guys for incorrectness has been the problem, what I've seen more of is the opposition jumping on people who criticize their shills, whatever necessary that supports their narrative.

Isn't it a historical given in wartime to have many shills infiltrated behind enemy lines early who are very believable? Our current very sophisticated hoax is of course implementing this mandatory wartime tactic in spades, especially this hoax that is mostly a spoken/mind war!! I bet the enemy began infiltrating the truth community and seeding their narrative years ago

My criteria are first and foremost is well funded, no real world source of income, an expensive travel/interview circuit and all the time consuming reserving/scheduling, all the time consuming website upkeep, massive internet posting and travel reserving, and especially slick photography. The equal criteria is..... how are they helping fuel the foundational lie of the narrative that is the most driving force of their agenda.

So John, would please then also offer your criteria for the other side of the coin?
What is your criteria for identifying a real controlled opposition figure and please name names of who you believe are/or have been and faded, the actual controlled opposition shills are in this hoax.

[ExomatrixTV]

I don't think demonizing good guys for incorrectness has been the problem, what I've seen more of is the opposition jumping on people who criticize their shills, whatever necessary that supports their narrative.

Isn't it a historical given in wartime to have many shills infiltrated behind enemy lines early who are very believable? Our current very sophisticated hoax is of course implementing this mandatory wartime tactic in spades, especially this hoax that is mostly a spoken/mind war!! I bet the enemy began infiltrating the truth community and seeding their narrative years ago

My criteria are first and foremost is well funded, no real world source of income, an expensive travel/interview circuit and all the time consuming reserving/scheduling, all the time consuming website upkeep, massive internet posting and travel reserving, and especially slick photography. The equal criteria is..... how are they helping fuel the foundational lie of the narrative that is the most driving force of their agenda.

So John, would please then also offer your criteria for the other side of the coin?
What is your criteria for identifying a real controlled opposition figure and please name names of who you believe are/or have been and faded, the actual controlled opposition shills are in this hoax.


it boils down to what exactly do we accept as irrefutable proof (being "controlled position") that anyone that thinks different than you are and has many similarities dealing with fighting/exposing the NWO Agenda aka Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset) Tyranny?

... and I am obvious asking a rhetorical question ... as ANY answer to that valid question will expose its flaws & weaknesses by default, unless you can see beyond the paradox ;)

cheers,
John

[Hermoor]

What I have learned is that almost nothing is what it seems to be

Yes, I have learned this too.

This recent presentation by Hugo Talks gave me quite a headache.

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I've only watched it once. Once was plenty enough for now. At the moment I don't have the time or inclination to watch it again, let alone double check the information to the nth degree.

Hugo seems to have dug pretty deep and connected a lot of telling dots. His conclusions ended up in uncomfortable territory for me at least. Are his conclusions correct? All of them? Some of them? None of them?

I don't know. But they made my head hurt and heart sigh, that's for sure.

Frankly speaking I've been suspicious of several characters mentioned in the presentation for quite some time. Hugo's bottom line here is there are a lot more than several of them up to no good. A lot of them are up to no good and a lot of them are popular favourites amongst members of this forum.

Sorry I haven't added time points and summaries to separate a lot of the wheat from a lot of the chaff.

If you want a crappy night's sleep and a lot more troubling questions than reassuring answers, then fill your boots and watch all of them.

Edit: More related and longer presentations are included below.

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[Delight]

What I have learned is that almost nothing is what it seems to be

Yes, I have learned this too.

This recent presentation by Hugo Talks gave me quite a headache.

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Hugo seems to have dug pretty deep and connected a lot of telling dots. His conclusions ended up in uncomfortable territory for me at least. Are his conclusions correct? All of them? Some of them? None of them?

I don't know. But they made my head hurt and heart sigh, that's for sure.

Frankly speaking I've been suspicious of several characters mentioned in the presentation for quite some time. Hugo's bottom line here is there are a lot more than several of them up to no good. A lot of them are up to no good and a lot of them are popular favourites amongst members of this forum.



I KNOW that this is a spiritual (or whatever one should call the nonphysical plane of "people" (or whatever one would call them) BATTLEGROUND all around us.

Divide and conquer by instilling fear and confusion WORKS (makes your head hurt). It ensures we farmed animals give our utmost until finally we are slaughtered.

I am becoming more and more clear (inside) as I have dug through the onion layers of confusion. RIGHT NOW, somewhere a loosh sucker is enjoying THIS latest permutation of distrust and even HATE generated.

IMO the only way we can withstand is to call out by actually UNITING (and that begins in our heart as we extend good will and reserve judgement). We need to challenge the ISSUES we see and discuss our particular POV.

Honestly I have no clue about you but many clues about these BRAVE and TRUE people who want the world to be livable for humans.

I want THIS WORLD to be a just and true place. There are lots of people who would accuse ME of being new age, maybe luciferian, maybe even EVIL because I am not a "born again" Christian who believe ONLY the sacrificial blood of Christ will save me.

I want YOU to participate as open mindedly as possible in THIS project proposed....

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And yet no one questions Hugo. His fans just worship him which is hilarious as they talk about sheep. A faceless guy, no one knows that can knock out videos very fast with amazing professional quality, stock photos and compile and edit it perfect: with no visible means of support and look after all those other social media channels as well indicates to me Hugo is no random amateur doing it at home. Think about that question - he would be the perfect controlled opposition himself. That seems a well funded team - not some English man magically joining dots. I liked him once but he is getting more looney and seems to think he is the only freedom warrior - which is another dangerous sign of trying to discredit other true freedom fighters. That’s exactly what a disinformation service would do.

[ExomatrixTV]

Our Birthright ...


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source (https://rumble.com/v261e7m-our-birthright.html)

[ExomatrixTV]

2022 Flashback:

https://whynotnews.eu/pix/Controlled-Opposition-PsyOp2022.png (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119213-Art-Bell---godfather-of-the-truther-scene---.-.-.-what-s-wrong-with-this-picture&p=1511138#post1511138)

When there is a real need for a different point of view "other than mainstream" does not mean everything that does do exactly that "must" all be a PsyOp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)) ... but the same time psyops can happen even if people are 100% genuine and the real deal because they (partly) became victim of dis-info/psyops (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)).

So in essence everyone can be hijacked by psyops without realizing it ... but really proving some one is, is not that super obvious nor easy ... Then the "having (endless) assumptions" syndrome kicks in <<< and this is the mother of all fck ups!


Same discussion with "controlled opposition (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Controlled%20opposition)" ... anything can be interpreted as "controlled opposition" if it supposedly distract you something from you think "must" be more important until someone else says: "no I know there is something else that is even more important" all of a sudden anyone can be called "controlled opposition" that is sharing different perspectives/insights/views than mainstream as long as you can "prove" you know something more important to discuss that they "refuse" to make public ...

If anyone refuse to do that then they can claim: see I have "evidence"of "controlled opposition" because they assumed "the most important thing" was/is not discussed by them ...

You can force the issue at hand and if they will not go along with what you are pushing often the "name calling" starts ... Some of it is pure envy and not having the skills how to "market" your own ideas and/or feeling "inferior" >>> not realizing that some ideas/insights takes much more time & effort & before people finally want to hear & read about it ... So blaming others for not being successful is not gonna help you.

When some one has worked very hard for a long time to finally have a way to reach millions (not to be confused with ultra rich kids reaching millions without real effort) ... many love to hijack that kind of accomplishment and claim it is their right to do so just because they assume they have something "more important" and if you not succeed them (having a big reach) to discuss your choice of topic (whatever that may be) they can get mad, upset, angry and claim to have found "evidence" of "controlled opposition" just because "they say so".

I notice all the above can happen very fast when people feel that they are the "chosen ones" and feel above the masses and need attention one way or the other ... if not successful it will eventually start using the blame game (aka psychological mind-games).

So you have real genuine controlled opposition that does exist ... and then you have tons of accusations of "controlled opposition" floating around because people with a big platform/reach did not fit in a framework/mold anyone can create up to "make a case".


I have had this discussion so many times last 25+ years I really get fed up with people insinuating super fast without being super honest where this "need to accuse" is coming from.

So many different kind of frustrations, setbacks & disappointments in the "truther movement" ... it is obvious not all of them are super talented nor flawless nor "the best" there is always something people will find and throw mud at anyone who has "failed" to do certain things in a certain way ... >>> add shills & trolls acting like "truthers" spreading all kinds of accusatory memes, claims & quotes to stir up never ending in-fights! >>> guess who is spreading all those memes without being aware they are actually helping the psyop tactics!.


Then you have people who demand to only use "academic sources" in any serious public forum discussion and claiming to be "better" that way ... judging, like a control freak: who is allowed to be "taken seriously" and who is "worthy" of our attention ... Most likely being afraid of being associated with "fringe" or controversial people ... Those "academic lovers" use all kinds of self-censorship thinking it will serve humanity better that way ... yeah right ...

⚠ disclaimer: Please be aware when I use the word "you" I really do not mean anyone particular ... I use it in a general way ... not pointing fingers at any individuals ... describing psychological mechanisms I see in the "alternative media & conspiracy research scene" .. That does not mean I am always correct in my assessments >>> I just use my own experience interacting with 1000s of people last 32 years researching conspiracies & suppressed news.

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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://whynotnews.eu) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
August 7, 2022 🦜🦋🌳


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[Ewan]

I think this tactic is as old as time itself, the so called 'red scare' in the cold war was but a very recent example. There is a tribe somewhere in the region of Papau New Guinea I saw on a documentary once that are real big believers in evil spirits and witchcraft. Someone's goat or pig is found dead one morning, (possibly mauled by an inexperienced young predator for instance), there has to be a reason - beyond the obvious. All it takes is an accusation and the accused will soon find themselves getting dragged into the jungle and dispatched. That's an almost stoneage tribe in the modern world. Nothing has changed, it has always been thus, except now it can be on a grand scale without the blood. The fear of the accustory attention is what makes them willing to lie. Always to save oneself from the possibility of ridicule/exposure. It's pure ego fear manifesting in your daily conciousness.

I no longer suffer from such an affliction, not for a long time now. That's what makes many people so uncomfortable around me when I talk straight. It's almost impossible for me to be any other way.

[ExomatrixTV]

The label "controlled opposition" also used by some people disagreeing with certain tactics/methods/style and assume (possible) evil intent or (possible) hidden agendas because of a default list of unproven assumptions/conjectures/opinions & speculations.


I remember in the past that some people accused Bill Ryan being "controlled opposition" even if there was NO EVIDENCE given >>> it just feeds certain types of people's mind-sets.

Another common insane "logic" some use is: "if you are not dead, you are not a legit whistleblower" ... because they let you live is for some "enough proof" you are "controlled opposition" :facepalm: ... thus having no clue why they want to prevent Martyrdom Effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr).


Then you have people who think that some things are: "too good to be true" and that alone is enough for some that you are "most likely" controlled opposition.



Or the "Guilty by association" if you shook hands with someone in the past (not knowing anything about the context) you can jump to the utterly false conclusion that somebody supposedly "work" with that person in "secret" without giving any evidence for such a claim and I can go on and on and on ...



Or when people make genuine unintended mistakes, is also for some "evidence" of "controlled opposition".



Or when some of the real controlled opposition LOVES to use the label/accusation "controlled opposition" hoping (baiting) others to help spread their false accusations!

The list of (made up) false accusations can be really long to make somebody to look like "controlled opposition" ... >>> even I was called that many times in The Netherlands 🇳🇱 and NONE of them showed any proof nor do they feel the need to share any evidence for their false claims ... They just claim it is their right to have that "opinion" and if enough repeat that false assumption some think "it must be true then" :facepalm:


Some just go along with "controlled opposition" accusations because he or she does not like that person's vibes and that is enough for some to be "convinced".



Now you know why I am very reluctant to jump on any bandwagon using the "controlled opposition" accusation label.

And yes, the real "controlled opposition" phenomena does exist, but that needs hard evidence & proof before you accuse anyone being that ... and if you only use: conjecture, hearsay, speculations, assumptions, opinions and "gut feelings" does not do the job!

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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://whynotnews.eu) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
February 6th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳


* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120526-Is-Project-Veritas-controlled-opposition&p=1542119&viewfull=1#post1542119)

[ExomatrixTV]

quote:

"The whole (accusatory) "gatekeeping" assumption (which can happen!) ... is very similar with people shouting the: (accusatory) "controlled opposition" (which also can happen!) ... and I have discussed this issue/topic ad nauseam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam) last decade here on Project Avalon Forum":


read more here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74287-Russell-Brand-Time-for-a-spiritual-revolution&p=1566119&viewfull=1#post1566119)

[seehas]

All these NewAge-Movement Channels are pretty easy to dismantle, they all share a common thing, they do not talk about "negative topics" its all about love and light, just had the perfect example a couple of days ago when i had a "spiritual" conversation with a woman, she got angry at me stating "yet again you are talking about these negative topics, i dont want to hear this, this is not my reality" thats pretty much NewAge in a nutshell.

NewAge can be compared to a moth flying into a terrace lamp in the night, when seeking for enlightment

It makes totally sense to install this movement, since its a battle for souls and "they" do not give up that easy on their "cattle", the activation of the pineal gland plays an important part when it comes to see through these fake spiritual teachings, why do most people need someone that tells them where to go and what to belive in?

thanks to early vaccines and fluoride poisoning their pineal gland is shrunken to the size of a corn and its even harder to connect to your higher self with blocked chakras.
But i also belive that many that got fooled by the NewAge-Movement in first place will find their way home.

[lake]

May I ask something .... What would you think if Bill removed this forum (of over 1.5 million posts) from the internet?
Not 'hacked' .... just removed from view and you knew that the forum database still existed?

Just a question, nothing more :)

[ExomatrixTV]

May I ask something .... What would you think if Bill removed this forum (of over 1.5 million posts) from the internet?
Not 'hacked' .... just removed from view and you knew that the forum database still existed?

Just a question, nothing more :)


I have an account on archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://projectavalon.net/forum4) and added this forum multiple times to their "web spiders/crawlers" ... but that only works for the public non-members sections, which is over 90% if I am correct.


Need to do some new imitations to make them update projectavalon.net/forum4 backup on archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://projectavalon.net/forum4)
I may do the same 10 times (https://www.similarweb.com/website/archive.org/competitors/) elsewhere too, just in case
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[lake]

snip ....


I have an account on archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://projectavalon.net/forum4) and added this forum multiple times to their "web spiders/crawlers" ... but that only works for the public non-members sections, which is over 90% if I am correct.


Thanks John (and good on you for doing that, although I have seen archive sites also remove information) but that did not address my question, so let me re-state it:

What would you think if Bill removed this forum (of over 1.5 million posts) from the internet?

[seehas]

then i grab a pitchfork and visit bills town in ecuador, its a two day trip from here :shielddeflect:

serious, it would be horrible to see this happening and i hope this forum still works even when we have a poleshift

[ExomatrixTV]

snip ....


I have an account on archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://projectavalon.net/forum4) and added this forum multiple times to their "web spiders/crawlers" ... but that only works for the public non-members sections, which is over 90% if I am correct.


Thanks John (and good on you for doing that, although I have seen archive sites also remove information) but that did not address my question, so let me re-state it:

What would you think if Bill removed this forum (of over 1.5 million posts) from the internet?

Do you have a reason to believe that is going to happen? ... If so why? ... How do you know? ... Are you worrying about the contingency (Bill Legacy) plan not done properly?

We all could make backups as much as possible ... I am doing already! ... I might start running a similar Forum ... not now, but in a couple of months I might!

[lake]

Do you have a reason to believe that is going to happen? ... If so why? ... How do you know? ... Are you worrying about the contingency (Bill Legacy) plan not done properly?


I do not consider it will happen here John and I am not worried about contingency plans.

It is only a question mate .... any chance that you will answer it?
If not, then no problem and I shall just leave it alone.

It is relevant to this threads title as I know of such an action having been done, so I just wondered how members would feel if it happened to this forum??

The question my friend:

What would you think if Bill removed this forum (of over 1.5 million posts) from the internet?

[ExomatrixTV]

Do you have a reason to believe that is going to happen? ... If so why? ... How do you know? ... Are you worrying about the contingency (Bill Legacy) plan not done properly?


I do not consider it will happen here John and I am not worried about contingency plans.

It is only a question mate .... any chance that you will answer it?
If not, then no problem and I shall just leave it alone.

It is relevant to this threads title as I know of such an action having been done, so I just wondered how members would feel if it happened to this forum??

The question my friend:

What would you think if Bill removed this forum (of over 1.5 million posts) from the internet?

Why is this hypothetical scenario so important to you? ... What has happened that you feel the urge to bring this up to everybody's attention?

John 🦜🦋🌳

[lake]

Why is this hypothetical scenario so important to you? ... What has happened that you feel the urge to bring this up to everybody's attention?

Maybe I need to construct my question in a different manner in order for it to be answered?

Over the last few years many of the members here would have had posts (or accounts) deleted from "Social Media" .... or have seen many such deletions of information from their followed media accounts.

So I will re-phrase and ask:

How did you feel about the 'Authority' that removed from view the information?

Be it a single post which you personally made or 10,000 posts of an account you followed .... How did you feel about the action and what did you think about those who removed it?

[ExomatrixTV]

Why is this hypothetical scenario so important to you? ... What has happened that you feel the urge to bring this up to everybody's attention?

Maybe I need to construct my question in a different manner in order for it to be answered?

Over the last few years many of the members here would have had posts (or accounts) deleted from "Social Media" .... or have seen many such deletions of information from their followed media accounts.

So I will re-phrase and ask:

How did you feel about the 'Authority' that removed from view the information?

Be it a single post which you personally made or 10,000 posts of an account you followed .... How did you feel about the action and what did you think about those who removed it?

I would be surprised and want to find out what really happened and why first before having any totally unnecessary emotions like: "rage" "frustrations" "anger" etc.

In my view, postponing judgment and having some patience to wait for more clear insights to come to the surface about what really happened is KEY to have a mature, more grounded approach in almost everything that is important in life.


Having too many assumptions is the mothers of most fck ups in life.

Assuming it is not because of server issues nor provider issues (mandatory censorship dictated from above) ... not because of hackers etc. etc.

Let's go along with your strain of thoughts that Bill Ryan alone hypothetically made that decision ... I trust him Bill will explain why and what the reasons are ... even if I (respectfully) disagree, that does not make him "controlled opposition".

If anyone is compromised due to threats or (mental) illness or any other external manipulation does not make that person "evil" ... Controlled Opposition is a different strategy for that matter anyway.

If it is done by YouTube and/or Facebook ... that already happened to me multiple times losing over 1500+ uploaded videos with about 200+ own productions! Losing 10.000s of my comments too and also losing many subscribers: over 50,000+ of them.


Then it is a different discussion!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[lake]

I would be surprised and want to find out what really happened and why first before having any totally unnecessary emotions like: "rage" "frustrations" "anger" etc.

In my view, postponing judgment and having some patience to wait for more clear insights to come to the surface about what really happened is KEY to have a mature, more grounded approach in almost everything that is important in life.


Having too many assumptions is the mothers of most fck ups in life.

Assuming it is not because of server issues nor provider issues (mandatory censorship dictated from above) ... not because of hackers etc. etc.

Let's go along with your strain of thoughts that Bill Rayan alone hypothetically made that decision ... I trust him Bill will explain why and what the reasons are ... even if I (respectfully) disagree, that does not make him "controlled opposition".

If anyone is compromised due to threats or (mental) illness or any other external manipulation does not make that person "evil" ... Controlled Opposition is a different strategy for that matter anyway.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Excellent .... thank you for the reply :)



I would be surprised and want to find out what really happened and why first before having any totally unnecessary emotions like: "rage" "frustrations" "anger" etc.


I have no 'rage' or 'frustration' about this concept John .... My question is hypothetical and I ask in order to consider an actual event which happened.
Due to my limited intelligence, I can only come up with 2 considerations and I thought by asking the forum that new options may become apparent to me!

The forum is here to "think" about situations and actions right?
Many minds and all that!



In my view, postponing judgment and having some patience to wait for more clear insights to come to the surface about what really happened is KEY to have a mature, more grounded approach in almost everything that is important in life.


OK .... Lets say that you asked Bill "Why have the 1.5 million posts been removed from view?" .... And you got told "I will return them soon".

But after a couple of years (so you did wait in all good faith) the 1.5 million posts never were returned to view!

What would you think or consider about Bill and his actual intent?



Assuming it is not because of server issues nor provider issues (mandatory censorship dictated from above) ... not because of hackers etc. etc.


Lets say that .... Because of a unique position YOU were in .... You knew that it was NOT down to sever issues nor hackers.
Now it could be down to "providers" .... But Bill would never give you an answer to that question!

What would you think and feel about Bill's actions regarding the 1.5 million posts?



Let's go along with your strain of thoughts that Bill Rayan alone hypothetically made that decision ... I trust him Bill will explain why and what the reasons are ... even if I (respectfully) disagree, that does not make him "controlled opposition".


BUT .... Bill NEVER discusses the reason .... NOR will give any answer. (<<<< hypothetical situation please recall).

So .... 1.5 MILLION posts have been removed and you cannot get any information as to why after a couple of years!

What do you consider about the actions taken by Bill?

All of this about this forum and Bill is hypothetical .... But it has happened elsewhere and I just wonder why no one (except me it would seem) gives a dam?

[lake]

If it is done by YouTube and/or Facebook ... that already happened to me multiple times losing over 1500+ uploaded videos with about 200+ own productions! Losing 10.000s of my comments too and also losing many subscribers: over 50,000+ of them.


Then it is a different discussion!



That is my core reason for asking mate ....

Why is it different?

Big social media platform takes down a single post and everyone loses their sh*t.

Big name in alternative media takes down millions of posts .... and no one in the alternative media .... gives a sh*t.

[ExomatrixTV]

I would be surprised and want to find out what really happened and why first before having any totally unnecessary emotions like: "rage" "frustrations" "anger" etc.

In my view, postponing judgment and having some patience to wait for more clear insights to come to the surface about what really happened is KEY to have a mature, more grounded approach in almost everything that is important in life.



Having too many assumptions is the mothers of most fck ups in life.


Assuming it is not because of server issues nor provider issues (mandatory censorship dictated from above) ... not because of hackers etc. etc.

Let's go along with your strain of thoughts that Bill Rayan alone hypothetically made that decision ... I trust him Bill will explain why and what the reasons are ... even if I (respectfully) disagree, that does not make him "controlled opposition".

If anyone is compromised due to threats or (mental) illness or any other external manipulation does not make that person "evil" ... Controlled Opposition is a different strategy for that matter anyway.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Excellent .... thank you for the reply :)



I would be surprised and want to find out what really happened and why first before having any totally unnecessary emotions like: "rage" "frustrations" "anger" etc.


I have no 'rage' or 'frustration' about this concept John .... My question is hypothetical and I ask in order to consider an actual event which happened.
Due to my limited intelligence, I can only come up with 2 considerations and I thought by asking the forum that new options may become apparent to me!

The forum is here to "think" about situations and actions right?
Many minds and all that!



In my view, postponing judgment and having some patience to wait for more clear insights to come to the surface about what really happened is KEY to have a mature, more grounded approach in almost everything that is important in life.


OK .... Lets say that you asked Bill "Why have the 1.5 million posts been removed from view?" .... And you got told "I will return them soon".

But after a couple of years (so you did wait in all good faith) the 1.5 million posts never were returned to view!

What would you think or consider about Bill and his actual intent?



Assuming it is not because of server issues nor provider issues (mandatory censorship dictated from above) ... not because of hackers etc. etc.


Lets say that .... Because of a unique position YOU were in .... You knew that it was NOT down to sever issues nor hackers.
Now it could be down to "providers" .... But Bill would never give you an answer to that question!

What would you think and feel about Bill's actions regarding the 1.5 million posts?



Let's go along with your strain of thoughts that Bill Rayan alone hypothetically made that decision ... I trust him Bill will explain why and what the reasons are ... even if I (respectfully) disagree, that does not make him "controlled opposition".


BUT .... Bill NEVER discusses the reason .... NOR will give any answer. (<<<< hypothetical situation please recall).

So .... 1.5 MILLION posts have been removed and you cannot get any information as to why after a couple of years!

What do you consider about the actions taken by Bill?

All of this about this forum and Bill is hypothetical .... But it has happened elsewhere and I just wonder why no one (except me it would seem) gives a dam?

That issue is with You & Bill (or David Icke), not me and yes I do not give a damn about what happened in the past concerning OTHERS ... Because my life is very VERY complicated already! (you have no idea) ... I can bring you issues of my past and dwell on it forever, or I chose to learn from it and MOVE ON!

Being way too dependent on others is a learning process, start being more self-reliant, always have backup-plans! ... And I can assure you I made sure I have plenty of them.

And from what I can remember (because you brought this issue a couple of years earlier to my attention) Bill had backup issues, and you decided not to trust that answer! ... So that is an issue between you and Bill not me! ... Using me will be impossible, especially when you play certain mind games. Am allergic to that.

I also remembered showing you how to use archive.org system of what you thought is "lost" most can still be found & studied ... even copied to new forums if need be!

[lake]

That issue is with Bill and You not me and yes I do not give a damn about what happened in the past concerning OTHERS ... Because my life is very VERY complicated already! (you have no idea) ... I can bring you issues of my past and dwell on it forever, or I chose to learn from it and MOVE ON!

Being way too dependent on others is a learning process ... learn to be more self-reliant, always have backup-plans! And I can assure you I made sure I have plenty of them.

Ok ... Thanks John for the advice and interaction.

I will leave it here as I think (from the replies (or lack of)) that no one cares about 5.8 MILLION posts being purposely removed from view.

Over a decade of information .... Some may say "Well most of it was just chatter".

Lets say then, at worst, that 1% was highly important information .... of 5.8 million .... so 58,000 HIGHLY IMPORTANT posts of crucial information to the 'real' people here

.... was removed from view ....... and no one cared!

[ExomatrixTV]

That issue is with Bill (or David Icke) and You not me and yes I do not give a damn about what happened in the past concerning OTHERS ... Because my life is very VERY complicated already! (you have no idea) ... I can bring you issues of my past and dwell on it forever, or I chose to learn from it and MOVE ON!

Being way too dependent on others is a learning process ... learn to be more self-reliant, always have backup-plans! And I can assure you I made sure I have plenty of them.

Ok ... Thanks John for the advice and interaction.

I will leave it here as I think (from the replies (or lack of)) that no one cares about 5.8 MILLION posts being purposely removed from view.

Over a decade of information .... Some may say "Well most of it was just chatter".

Lets say then, at worst, that 1% was highly important information .... of 5.8 million .... so 58,000 HIGHLY IMPORTANT posts of crucial information to the 'real' people here

.... was removed from view ....... and no one cared!

I study/research suppressed news & conspiracy research for 33 years now ... Countless very valuable sources having access to huge amount of data, some of it is not even on the internet ... What I have done between 1990 and 1999 before the internet is now used widely ... I slowly saw how much of my deeper insights/data/awareness of my research is copied ALL OVER THE PLACE ... I have used bbs systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system)(pre internet in late 1980s early 1990s especially "usenet") downloading stuff that became "super viral news" decades later! (let that sink in for a moment) ... So when I see someone claiming something "important" most of it is already shared by others (factor 1000!) ... Having something truly unique is extremely rare as there is so much already written about copied all over the place but IGNORED by mass media!


All seems "super important" but at the same time most of what you claim >>> is already shared all over the place but not to be found on most mainstream platforms!

Because of having this perspective, I know 100% that most will be found through so many other channels/platforms if it really resonates with the real researchers network.

I have studied over 1000+ conspiracy websites and countless peer2peer file sharing networks (torrents) and the vast majority of it is NOT unique ... So much is already discussed elsewhere. That is why my feeling about this drama is different than you.

[lake]

I study/research suppressed news & conspiracy research for 33 years now ... Countless very valuable sources having access to huge amount of data, some of it is not even on the internet ... What I have done between 1990 and 1999 before the internet is now used by widely ... I slowly saw how much of my deeper insights/data/awareness of my research is copied ALL OVER THE PLACE ... I have used bbs systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system)(pre internet in late 1980s early 1990s especially "usenet") downloading stuff that became "super viral news" decades later! (let that sink in for a moment) ... So when I see someone claiming something "important" most of it is already shared by others (factor 1000!) ... Having something truly unique is extremely rare as there is so much already written about copied all over the place but IGNORED by mass media ...

Thus it all seems "super important" but at the same time most of what you claim that is so important is already shared all over the place but not to be found on most mainstream platforms!

Because of having this perspective, I know 100% that most will be found through so many other channels/platforms if it resonates with the real researchers network. I have studied over 1000+ conspiracy websites and countless peer2peer file sharing networks (torrents) and the vast majority of it is NOT unique ... So much is already discussed elsewhere. That is why my feeling about this drama is different than you.

Bullsh*t .... you did good stuff but not all is saved and available on the internet.

Go look at this thread I saved from the 5.8 million posts removed from view ....

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/21375-timeline-of-savile-etc/

If I hadn't 'saved' that .... all that information WOULD be gone or just a little pice here and there!
Not ALL in one place John!

Really John .... Go and find it all!
Find it John.

That took many people shed loads of days to collate.
It is NOT just about the posts (5.8 MILLION) being removed .... How about the countless hours of research put in by loads of people to even create that 'timeline'?

I just shake my head and wonder why intelligent people don't give a sh*t?

[ExomatrixTV]

I study/research suppressed news & conspiracy research for 33 years now ... Countless very valuable sources having access to huge amount of data, some of it is not even on the internet ... What I have done between 1990 and 1999 before the internet is now used by widely ... I slowly saw how much of my deeper insights/data/awareness of my research is copied ALL OVER THE PLACE ... I have used bbs systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system)(pre internet in late 1980s early 1990s especially "usenet") downloading stuff that became "super viral news" decades later! (let that sink in for a moment) ... So when I see someone claiming something "important" most of it is already shared by others (factor 1000!) ... Having something truly unique is extremely rare as there is so much already written about copied all over the place but IGNORED by mass media ...

Thus it all seems "super important" but at the same time most of what you claim that is so important is already shared all over the place but not to be found on most mainstream platforms!

Because of having this perspective, I know 100% that most will be found through so many other channels/platforms if it resonates with the real researchers network. I have studied over 1000+ conspiracy websites and countless peer2peer file sharing networks (torrents) and the vast majority of it is NOT unique ... So much is already discussed elsewhere. That is why my feeling about this drama is different than you.

Bullsh*t .... you did good stuff but not all is saved and available on the internet.

Go look at this thread I saved from the 5.8 million posts removed from view ....

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/21375-timeline-of-savile-etc/

If I hadn't 'saved' that .... all that information WOULD be gone or just a little pice here and there!
Not ALL in one place John!

Really John .... Go and find it all!
Find it John.

That took many people shed loads of days to collate.
It is NOT just about the posts (5.8 MILLION) being removed .... How about the countless hours of research put in by loads of people to even create that 'timeline'?

I just shake my head and wonder why intelligent people don't give a sh*t?

Ah so why not be open & frank from the get go ... why playing mind games?

[lake]

Ah so why not be open & frank from the get go ... why playing mind games?

No mind games John .... I asked a question (only one member answered my question) and you do not answer unless with another question!

I am utterly open and frank ....

Why do you not care about the removal of millions of posts which took hundreds of millions of hours for real people to research?

[ExomatrixTV]

Ah so why not be open & frank from the get go ... why playing mind games?

No mind games John .... I asked a question (only one member answered my question) and you do not answer unless with another question!

I am utterly open and frank ....

Why do you not care about the removal of millions of posts which took hundreds of millions of hours for real people to research?


It was David Icke you do not trust ... so you have issues with him and you, that's all there is ... I wrongly assumed it was about Bill an You that is my fault/error ... That is how mind games are played ... It seems you enjoy tricking people!

For me, it is not a big deal for all the reasons I already explained, you refuse to comprehend.

Go dwell on it with somebody else please and grow up!
Learn from your mistakes (dependency issues) and move on!

Have some self-respect ... start something from your own efforts, not depending solely on a David Icke platform!

[lake]

Ah so why not be open & frank from the get go ... why playing mind games?

It was David Icke you do not trust ... so you have issues with him and you, that's all there is ... I wrongly assumed it was about Bill that is my fault/error ... That is how mind games are played ... It seems you enjoy tricking people!

For me, it is not a big deal for all the reasons I already explained, you refuse to comprehend.

Go dwell on it with somebody else please and grow up!
Learn from your mistakes (dependency issues) and move on!


Have some self-respect ... start something from your own efforts!

You are funny John .... You make a reply and then change it everytime lol

I said in my posts (MULTIPLE TIMES) that it was NOT about Bill or this forum .... That it was HYPOTHETICAL!

Guess you missed that .... multiple times .... even though I didn't re-write my posts as you do lol.

As to "growing up" .... Ego is not my thing (I just ask questions which some people do not want to answer) but just looking at the tag cloud for this forum .... It is yours :facepalm:

[ExomatrixTV]

Ah so why not be open & frank from the get go ... why playing mind games?

It was David Icke you do not trust ... so you have issues with him and you, that's all there is ... I wrongly assumed it was about Bill that is my fault/error ... That is how mind games are played ... It seems you enjoy tricking people!

For me, it is not a big deal for all the reasons I already explained, you refuse to comprehend.

Go dwell on it with somebody else please and grow up!
Learn from your mistakes (dependency issues) and move on!


Have some self-respect ... start something from your own efforts!

You are funny John .... You make a reply and then change it everytime lol

I said in my posts (MULTIPLE TIMES) that it was NOT about Bill or this forum .... That it was HYPOTHETICAL!

Guess you missed that .... multiple times .... even though I didn't re-write my posts as you do lol.

As to "growing up" .... Ego is not my thing (I just ask questions which some people do not want to answer) but just looking at the tag cloud for this forum .... It is yours :facepalm:


It takes an ego to finger point at another ego ... ego is just a tool to express your uniqueness ... it can be used for good (being genuine authentic & caring) and for bad (being egotistical) both are "ego's" ... just a tool!


Move on and start creating your own thing, be less of a crybaby dwelling in the past! ... You can do it ... am sure of it!

[ExomatrixTV]

Not all is "lost" see among others:


web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://forum.davidicke.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://forum.davidicke.com)

... and MOST is not "unique" most is also discussed on other platforms, countless free PDFs, peer2peer file sharing networks torrents, enormity of very insightful conspiracy research videos on: Rumble, Bitchute & Odysee ... 1000s of websites on all kinds of (highly) controversial topics!


When you study this "lost" page (https://web.archive.org/web/20190406085959/https://forum.davidicke.com/) it is not that different from Project Avalon Forum Topics ... so how much of it is also discussed here? Maybe with even better replies & practical tips!

[lake]

Not all is "lost" see among others:


web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://forum.davidicke.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://forum.davidicke.com)

... and MOST is not "unique" most is also discussed on other platforms, countless free PDFs, peer2peer file sharing networks torrents, enormity of very insightful conspiracy research videos on: Rumble, Bitchute & Odysee ... 1000s of websites on all kinds of (highly) controversial topics!


When you study this "lost" page (https://web.archive.org/web/20190406085959/https://forum.davidicke.com/) it is not that different from Project Avalon Forum Topics ... so how much of it is also discussed here? Maybe with even better replies & practical tips!


So I clicked on 8 of the supposed saved archives from your link John .... NOT ONE GIVES ANY INFORMATION JOHN!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Come on John .... Not one link to the information which was deleted!

NOT ONE.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I gave you a link John .... Show me that information elsewhere John

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/21375-timeline-of-savile-etc/

[ExomatrixTV]

Not all is "lost" see among others:


web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://forum.davidicke.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://forum.davidicke.com)

... and MOST is not "unique" most is also discussed on other platforms, countless free PDFs, peer2peer file sharing networks torrents, enormity of very insightful conspiracy research videos on: Rumble, Bitchute & Odysee ... 1000s of websites on all kinds of (highly) controversial topics!


When you study this "lost" page (https://web.archive.org/web/20190406085959/https://forum.davidicke.com/) it is not that different from Project Avalon Forum Topics ... so how much of it is also discussed here? Maybe with even better replies & practical tips!



So I clicked on 8 of the supposed saved archives from your link John .... NOT ONE GIVES ANY INFORMATION JOHN!

It shows it is not that "unique" (nor "so special") especially when you are whining about here on Project Avalon Forum with a vast treasure of very similar (partly the same) topics & content ... To me, it is nothing "exclusively" special, really! ... Unless you can provide me with some 100% unique examples ...

Learn from mistakes (having David Icke dependency issues), MOVE ON ... Start living in self-reliance, set a new example by doing your own thing is FAR better than dwelling in the past forever.

[lake]

You have it ALL John .... You say it is ALL over the internet ....

Timeline Of Savile

Come on John .... Show me were I can find ALL that information I gave you a link to?

[ExomatrixTV]

You have it ALL John .... You say it is ALL over the internet ....

Timeline Of Savile

Come on John .... Show me were I can find ALL that information I gave you a link to?

It shows it is not that "unique" (nor "so special") especially when you are whining about here on Project Avalon Forum with a vast treasure of very similar (partly the same) topics & content ... To me, it is nothing "exclusively" special, really! ... Unless you can provide me with some 100% unique examples ...

Learn from mistakes (having David Icke dependency issues), MOVE ON ... Start living in self-reliance, set a new example by doing your own thing is FAR better than dwelling in the past forever.


No need to be a crybaby!

[lake]

Not all is "lost" see among others:


web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://forum.davidicke.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://forum.davidicke.com)

... and MOST is not "unique" most is also discussed on other platforms, countless free PDFs, peer2peer file sharing networks torrents, enormity of very insightful conspiracy research videos on: Rumble, Bitchute & Odysee ... 1000s of websites on all kinds of (highly) controversial topics!


When you study this "lost" page (https://web.archive.org/web/20190406085959/https://forum.davidicke.com/) it is not that different from Project Avalon Forum Topics ... so how much of it is also discussed here? Maybe with even better replies & practical tips!



So I clicked on 8 of the supposed saved archives from your link John .... NOT ONE GIVES ANY INFORMATION JOHN!


It shows it is not that "unique" (nor "so special") especially when you are whining about here on Project Avalon Forum with a vast treasure of very similar (partly the same) topics & content ... To me, it is nothing "exclusively" special, really! ... Unless you can provide me with some 100% unique examples ...


Learn from mistakes (having David Icke dependency issues), MOVE ON ... Start living in self-reliance, set a new example by doing your own thing is FAR better than dwelling in the past forever.

Your trying to 'knock' me John .... just make me smile!

Meaningless!

You said that the information was all over the internet .... fine.

You gave links to archives which give ZERO information John.

So I ask you again .... I gave you a link to deleted information .... Where is it on the internet John?

[ExomatrixTV]

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Almost everything that is really important CAN be found!

Grow up, move on! Do your own thing!

If you have dependency issues, go to the source of it, no use bothering others with it!


Total waste of our time!

[lake]

Small sample of empowering possibilities we have in 2023:

openlibrary.org
open library is an open, editable library catalog, building towards a web page for every book ever published. read, borrow, and discover more than 3 million free books.

researchgate.net
access 135+ million publications and connect with 20+ million researchers. join for free and gain visibility by uploading your research.

pdfdrive.com
pdf drive is your search engine for pdf files. we have 83,346,240+ ebooks for you to download for free. no annoying ads, no download limits

yumpu.com
yumpu releases magazines, documents and catalogs on the internet. publish for free. gain new readers and costumers worldwide.


Almost everything that is really important CAN be found!

Grow up, move on! Do your own thing!

If you have dependency issues, go to the source of it, no use bothering others with it!


Total waste of our time!


Oh dear .... lol .... where is the Savile information John which you say can be found all over the internet?

I guess that you will just not answer again as .... you can't find it?

[PlasmaVortex]

Not sure what's taking place here, but at the same time I'm strangely compelled to bear witness to this struggle of wills between two heavyweights of the forum

[lake]

Not sure what's taking place here, but at the same time I'm strangely compelled

Interesting .... is it not?

Information being removed from view .... and no one cares?

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If it was a few thousand posts, like facetwat social media does .... everyone would go nuts!

near 6 million posts removed by a well known alternative celeb .... silence!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I guess that my problem is that I was there .... so I have a greater comprehension of what happened even though I could never get an actual reason!

But 5.8 million posts (all that time people spent creating those posts) .... is a lot.

[ExomatrixTV]

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Panorama - Jimmy Savile: The Power to Abuse 3/6/14 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71958-Panorama-Jimmy-Savile-The-Power-to-Abuse-3-6-14&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 3rd June 2014



Russell Brand on drugs, Savile and yoga ..interview Channel 4 news (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55093-Russell-Brand-on-drugs-Savile-and-yoga-..interview-Channel-4-news&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 1st February 2013



Jimmy Savile Worked For MI5 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54383-Jimmy-Savile-Worked-For-MI5&highlight=Savile)
Started by charlesfrith (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?5087-charlesfrith), 15th January 2013



Jimmy Savile - Quite a big Iceberg off the glacier (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50481-Jimmy-Savile-Quite-a-big-Iceberg-off-the-glacier&highlight=Savile)
Started by indigopete (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?11029-indigopete), 2nd October 2012



Death of a Showman: Jimmy Savile 1926-2011 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33836-Death-of-a-Showman-Jimmy-Savile-1926-2011&highlight=Savile)
Started by ktlight (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?4916-ktlight), 2nd November 2011

--o-O-o--


rumble.com/search/video?q=Jimmy Savile (https://rumble.com/search/video?q=%22Jimmy%20Savile%22)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Jimmy Savile (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=%22jimmy%20savile%22&kind=video)
odysee.com/$/search?q=Jimmy Savile (https://odysee.com/$/search?q=%22jimmy%20savile%22)
google.com/search?&q=Jimmy+Savile+Timeline (https://google.com/search?&q=Jimmy+Savile++Time+line&tbm=vid)
netflix.com/title/81520549 (https://netflix.com/title/81520549) (Documentary about The Horrors of Jimmy Savile!).



Jimmy Savile: Timeline Of His Sexual Abuse And Its Uncovering (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline)

Investigators now believe the late Top of the Pops host preyed on around 500 vulnerable victims as young as two years old.


How Jimmy Savile Used Power And Fame To Abuse Hundreds Of Children For Decades (https://allthatsinteresting.com/jimmy-savile)
Jimmy Savile abuse allegations: Timeline (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19921658)
wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile)

quote: "In January 2013, a joint report by the NSPCC and Metropolitan Police, "Giving Victims a Voice", stated that 450 people had made complaints against Savile, with the period of alleged abuse stretching from 1955 to 2009 and the ages of the complainants at the time of the assaults ranging from 8 to 47. The suspected victims included 28 children aged under 10, including 10 boys aged as young as 8. A further 63 were girls aged between 13 and 16 and nearly three-quarters of his victims were under 18. Some 214 criminal offenses were recorded, with 34 rapes having been reported across 28 police forces. Savile was never charged during his lifetime". unquote


source (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0767675/trivia)



Jimmy Savile A British Horror Story S01E01 1080p 1.72 Gb mp4 torrent (https://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/58003062/Jimmy_Savile_A_British_Horror_Story_S01E01_1080p_HEVC_x265-MeGus)
piratebayproxy.live/search/Jimmy Savile
(https://piratebayproxy.live/search/Jimmy%20Savile/1/99/0)

[lake]

snip ....

to bear witness to this struggle of wills between two heavyweights of the forum

As you changed you post, I feel complied to respond .... lol

I am no "heavy weight" .... more like a twat!

What should I do when I know for a fact that near 6 million post have been removed from view for "no reason given"?

Really .... what should I do?

Ignore it .... as most do.
That is a choice.

Not keen on that choice.

What do I do with what I know about the deletion of 5.8 million posts by a well known alternative media celebrity?

It is interesting to me that near no one cares.
In fact .... that is maybe the most sadding aspect of it.

Book burning .... by those shouting for the books to be saved.

And I know it.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Cover up of Prince Charles' links to Savile exposed. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59052-Cover-up-of-Prince-Charles-links-to-Savile-exposed.&highlight=Savile)
Started by EYES WIDE OPEN (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?288-EYES-WIDE-OPEN), 12th May 2013



Jimmy Savile was part of satanic ring....Rituals carried out in NHS Hospitals (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67737-Jimmy-Savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring....Rituals-carried-out-in-NHS-Hospitals&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 24th January 2014



True Detectives // Blue Bloods // David Icke - Jimmy Savile & The BBC...The Tip of the Iceberg. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72571-True-Detectives-Blue-Bloods-David-Icke-Jimmy-Savile-The-BBC...The-Tip-of-the-Iceberg.&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 28th June 2014



Panorama - Jimmy Savile: The Power to Abuse 3/6/14 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71958-Panorama-Jimmy-Savile-The-Power-to-Abuse-3-6-14&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 3rd June 2014



Russell Brand on drugs, Savile and yoga ..interview Channel 4 news (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55093-Russell-Brand-on-drugs-Savile-and-yoga-..interview-Channel-4-news&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 1st February 2013



Jimmy Savile Worked For MI5 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54383-Jimmy-Savile-Worked-For-MI5&highlight=Savile)
Started by charlesfrith (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?5087-charlesfrith), 15th January 2013



Jimmy Savile - Quite a big Iceberg off the glacier (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50481-Jimmy-Savile-Quite-a-big-Iceberg-off-the-glacier&highlight=Savile)
Started by indigopete (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?11029-indigopete), 2nd October 2012



Death of a Showman: Jimmy Savile 1926-2011 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33836-Death-of-a-Showman-Jimmy-Savile-1926-2011&highlight=Savile)
Started by ktlight (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?4916-ktlight), 2nd November 2011

--o-O-o--


rumble.com/search/video?q=Jimmy Savile (https://rumble.com/search/video?q=%22Jimmy%20Savile%22)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Jimmy Savile (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=%22jimmy%20savile%22&kind=video)
odysee.com/$/search?q=Jimmy Savile (https://odysee.com/$/search?q=%22jimmy%20savile%22)
google.com/search?&q=Jimmy+Savile+Timeline (https://google.com/search?&q=Jimmy+Savile++Time+line&tbm=vid)
netflix.com/title/81520549 (https://netflix.com/title/81520549) (Documentary about The Horrors of Jimmy Savile)



Jimmy Savile: Timeline Of His Sexual Abuse And Its Uncovering (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline)

Investigators now believe the late Top of the Pops host preyed on around 500 vulnerable victims as young as two years old.


How Jimmy Savile Used Power And Fame To Abuse Hundreds Of Children For Decades (https://allthatsinteresting.com/jimmy-savile)
Jimmy Savile abuse allegations: Timeline (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19921658)
wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile)

quote: "In January 2013, a joint report by the NSPCC and Metropolitan Police, "Giving Victims a Voice", stated that 450 people had made complaints against Savile, with the period of alleged abuse stretching from 1955 to 2009 and the ages of the complainants at the time of the assaults ranging from 8 to 47. The suspected victims included 28 children aged under 10, including 10 boys aged as young as 8. A further 63 were girls aged between 13 and 16 and nearly three-quarters of his victims were under 18. Some 214 criminal offenses were recorded, with 34 rapes having been reported across 28 police forces. Savile was never charged during his lifetime". unquote


source (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0767675/trivia)



Jimmy Savile A British Horror Story S01E01 1080p 1.72 Gb mp4 torrent (https://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/58003062/Jimmy_Savile_A_British_Horror_Story_S01E01_1080p_HEVC_x265-MeGus)
piratebayproxy.live/search/Jimmy Savile
(https://piratebayproxy.live/search/Jimmy%20Savile/1/99/0)


Where is the "Timeline" John?

[ExomatrixTV]

Where is the "Timeline" John?

You can not see it? Wow! I even made it red for you! ... see again here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117528-When-an-Accusation-like-Controlled-Opposition-loses-its-value-&p=1566540&viewfull=1#post1566540)!


Jimmy Savile: Timeline Of His Sexual Abuse And Its Uncovering (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline) :bowing:




Jimmy Savile Abuse Allegations: Timeline (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19921658) :dog:


Most information (vast majority of it) of the old David Icke Forum is NOT UNIQUE nor "exclusive" and most who participated did not stop sharing their knowledge and moved on elsewhere as grown ups do! Not dwelling in the past. Educating the masses will still continue, especially if you know there are 100s (if not 1000s) of other (conspiracy research) platforms to go to!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[lake]

John .... Please continue what you are doing .... just makes me laugh.

Go get the removed thread.

If you can't do that then you lose.

This thread:
https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/21375-timeline-of-savile-etc/
but from the internet as you say :)

Then go and get the other 5.8 MILLION posts removed by a well known alternative media celeb .... Post them ALL here and I will still ask you "Why where they removed by said celeb?"

I was there John .... I have greater information about it than you do.

But keep trying to be right and build up your "tag cloud" on this forum .... lol

whatever .... sad really!

[ExomatrixTV]

British entertainer Jimmy Savile sexually abused children and adults over six decades, using his celebrity status to attack his victims and avoid prosecution.

Here is a timeline showing how Savile carried out his campaign of abuse, according to a report by police and the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children released on Thursday:
— 1926 —
Jimmy Savile born in Leeds, northern England. Works as a coal miner in World War II until suffering spinal injuries in an accident, then becomes a disc jockey at local dance halls.
— 1955 —
First reported incident of sexual abuse, in Manchester, northwest England.
— 1958 —
Savile begins career as entertainer, working for Radio Luxembourg.
— 1964 —
Savile starts career at the BBC, presenting first edition of chart show “Top of the Pops”.
— 1965 —
First reported offence of abuse at the BBC. The last will be in 2006.
First reported abuse at Leeds General Hospital, where Savile volunteered as a night porter (abuse continues until 1995), and at Stoke Mandeville Hospital for spinal injuries (abuse continues until 1988).
— 1966 to 1976 —
Peak period of reported abuse, when Savile was between 40 and 50 years old and at peak of fame.
— 1970 —
First reported offence at Duncroft School for girls (until 1978).
— 1971 —
Savile awarded OBE (Order of the British Empire)
— 1975 to 1994 —
Savile presents “Jim’ll Fix It”, a BBC programme in which he made children’s wishes come true.
— 1980s —
Woman reportedly tells police she was assaulted in Saviles camper van in a BBC car park when she was in her 20s, but no trace of police file is found.
— 1990 —
Savile receives knighthood and Papal knighthood.
— 2000 —
In documentary by presenter Louis Theroux, Savile denies rumours that he is a paedophile.
— 2003 —
Woman tells London police Savile inappropriately touched her on “Top of the Pops” in 1973. She refuses to proceed without other victims.
— 2006 —
Savile abuses teenage girl during final recording of “Top of the Pops” — his last reported offence at the BBC.
— 2007 to 2008 —
Surrey Police in southern England receive claims that Savile abused two women at Duncroft School and a third at Stoke Mandeville hospital, all in the 1970s. Another woman tells police in Sussex, also in southern England, she was abused in a caravan in the 1970s.
Savile considered during investigation into abuse at Haut de La Garenne children’s home in Jersey.
— 2009–
Final attack by Savile: puts hand up skirt of 43-year-old woman on a train between Leeds and London.
Savile interviewed by police but Crown Prosecution Service says there is insufficient evidence to take any further action as complainants won’t testify.
— 2011 —
Savile dies on October 29.
After his death, BBC’s flagship current affairs programme “Newsnight” shelves programme featuring allegations against Savile.
— 2012 —
October 3: ITV, BBC’s commercial rival, broadcasts show featuring five women who claim Savile abused them.
October 7: Prime Minister David Cameron urges full investigation.
October 9: Scotland Yard opens “Operation Yewtree” to probe Savile allegations. Police later arrest comedian Freddie Starr, pop star Gary Glitter, former radio DJ Dave Lee Travis, PR guru Max Clifford and TV comedian Jim Davidson. All strongly deny any offences.
October 12: BBC announces two inquiries — one into the abandoning of the Newsnight show, and a second into the “culture and practices” of the BBC when Savile worked there.
November 11: BBC director general George Entwistle resigns after a separate Newsnight investigation into child abuse wrongly implicates a former senior Conservative politician.
— 2013 —
January 11: Scotland Yard and NSPCC release report into Savile abuse.


source (https://www.expatica.com/uk/general/six-decades-of-abuse-jimmy-savile-timeline-80680/)



How Was Jimmy Savile Caught? Timeline Of How Crimes Were Exposed After Paedophile Death (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/jimmy-savile-timeline-how-crimes-26640919)

11 years after his death, a new Netflix documentary looking into the crimes of Jimmy Savile is being released - including terrifying footage of the monster - but how did the case against him unfold?

[lake]

British entertainer Jimmy Savile sexually abused children and adults over six decades, using his celebrity status to attack his victims and avoid prosecution.

Here is a timeline showing how Savile carried out his campaign of abuse, according to a report by police and the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children released on Thursday:
— 1926 —
Jimmy Savile born in Leeds, northern England. Works as a coal miner in World War II until suffering spinal injuries in an accident, then becomes a disc jockey at local dance halls.
— 1955 —
First reported incident of sexual abuse, in Manchester, northwest England.
— 1958 —
Savile begins career as entertainer, working for Radio Luxembourg.
— 1964 —
Savile starts career at the BBC, presenting first edition of chart show “Top of the Pops”.
— 1965 —
First reported offence of abuse at the BBC. The last will be in 2006.
First reported abuse at Leeds General Hospital, where Savile volunteered as a night porter (abuse continues until 1995), and at Stoke Mandeville Hospital for spinal injuries (abuse continues until 1988).
— 1966 to 1976 —
Peak period of reported abuse, when Savile was between 40 and 50 years old and at peak of fame.
— 1970 —
First reported offence at Duncroft School for girls (until 1978).
— 1971 —
Savile awarded OBE (Order of the British Empire)
— 1975 to 1994 —
Savile presents “Jim’ll Fix It”, a BBC programme in which he made children’s wishes come true.
— 1980s —
Woman reportedly tells police she was assaulted in Saviles camper van in a BBC car park when she was in her 20s, but no trace of police file is found.
— 1990 —
Savile receives knighthood and Papal knighthood.
— 2000 —
In documentary by presenter Louis Theroux, Savile denies rumours that he is a paedophile.
— 2003 —
Woman tells London police Savile inappropriately touched her on “Top of the Pops” in 1973. She refuses to proceed without other victims.
— 2006 —
Savile abuses teenage girl during final recording of “Top of the Pops” — his last reported offence at the BBC.
— 2007 to 2008 —
Surrey Police in southern England receive claims that Savile abused two women at Duncroft School and a third at Stoke Mandeville hospital, all in the 1970s. Another woman tells police in Sussex, also in southern England, she was abused in a caravan in the 1970s.
Savile considered during investigation into abuse at Haut de La Garenne children’s home in Jersey.
— 2009–
Final attack by Savile: puts hand up skirt of 43-year-old woman on a train between Leeds and London.
Savile interviewed by police but Crown Prosecution Service says there is insufficient evidence to take any further action as complainants won’t testify.
— 2011 —
Savile dies on October 29.
After his death, BBC’s flagship current affairs programme “Newsnight” shelves programme featuring allegations against Savile.
— 2012 —
October 3: ITV, BBC’s commercial rival, broadcasts show featuring five women who claim Savile abused them.
October 7: Prime Minister David Cameron urges full investigation.
October 9: Scotland Yard opens “Operation Yewtree” to probe Savile allegations. Police later arrest comedian Freddie Starr, pop star Gary Glitter, former radio DJ Dave Lee Travis, PR guru Max Clifford and TV comedian Jim Davidson. All strongly deny any offences.
October 12: BBC announces two inquiries — one into the abandoning of the Newsnight show, and a second into the “culture and practices” of the BBC when Savile worked there.
November 11: BBC director general George Entwistle resigns after a separate Newsnight investigation into child abuse wrongly implicates a former senior Conservative politician.
— 2013 —
January 11: Scotland Yard and NSPCC release report into Savile abuse.


source (https://www.expatica.com/uk/general/six-decades-of-abuse-jimmy-savile-timeline-80680/)



How was Jimmy Savile caught? Timeline of how crimes were exposed after paedophile death (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/jimmy-savile-timeline-how-crimes-26640919)

11 years after his death, a new Netflix documentary looking into the crimes of Jimmy Savile is being released - including terrifying footage of the monster - but how did the case against him unfold?

a n d t h a t s i t ?

lol

[ExomatrixTV]

a n d t h a t s i t ?

lol




Cover up of Prince Charles' links to Savile exposed. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59052-Cover-up-of-Prince-Charles-links-to-Savile-exposed.&highlight=Savile)
Started by EYES WIDE OPEN (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?288-EYES-WIDE-OPEN), 12th May 2013



Jimmy Savile was part of satanic ring....Rituals carried out in NHS Hospitals (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67737-Jimmy-Savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring....Rituals-carried-out-in-NHS-Hospitals&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 24th January 2014



True Detectives // Blue Bloods // David Icke - Jimmy Savile & The BBC...The Tip of the Iceberg. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72571-True-Detectives-Blue-Bloods-David-Icke-Jimmy-Savile-The-BBC...The-Tip-of-the-Iceberg.&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 28th June 2014



Panorama - Jimmy Savile: The Power to Abuse 3/6/14 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71958-Panorama-Jimmy-Savile-The-Power-to-Abuse-3-6-14&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 3rd June 2014



Russell Brand on drugs, Savile and yoga ..interview Channel 4 news (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55093-Russell-Brand-on-drugs-Savile-and-yoga-..interview-Channel-4-news&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 1st February 2013



Jimmy Savile Worked For MI5 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54383-Jimmy-Savile-Worked-For-MI5&highlight=Savile)
Started by charlesfrith (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?5087-charlesfrith), 15th January 2013



Jimmy Savile - Quite a big Iceberg off the glacier (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50481-Jimmy-Savile-Quite-a-big-Iceberg-off-the-glacier&highlight=Savile)
Started by indigopete (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?11029-indigopete), 2nd October 2012



Death of a Showman: Jimmy Savile 1926-2011 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33836-Death-of-a-Showman-Jimmy-Savile-1926-2011&highlight=Savile)
Started by ktlight (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?4916-ktlight), 2nd November 2011

--o-O-o--


rumble.com/search/video?q=Jimmy Savile (https://rumble.com/search/video?q=%22Jimmy%20Savile%22)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Jimmy Savile (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=%22jimmy%20savile%22&kind=video)
odysee.com/$/search?q=Jimmy Savile (https://odysee.com/$/search?q=%22jimmy%20savile%22)
google.com/search?&q=Jimmy+Savile+Timeline (https://google.com/search?&q=Jimmy+Savile++Time+line&tbm=vid)
netflix.com/title/81520549 (https://netflix.com/title/81520549) (Documentary about The Horrors of Jimmy Savile!).



Jimmy Savile: Timeline Of His Sexual Abuse And Its Uncovering (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline)

Investigators now believe the late Top of the Pops host preyed on around 500 vulnerable victims as young as two years old.


How Jimmy Savile Used Power And Fame To Abuse Hundreds Of Children For Decades (https://allthatsinteresting.com/jimmy-savile)
Jimmy Savile abuse allegations: Timeline (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19921658)
wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile)

quote: "In January 2013, a joint report by the NSPCC and Metropolitan Police, "Giving Victims a Voice", stated that 450 people had made complaints against Savile, with the period of alleged abuse stretching from 1955 to 2009 and the ages of the complainants at the time of the assaults ranging from 8 to 47. The suspected victims included 28 children aged under 10, including 10 boys aged as young as 8. A further 63 were girls aged between 13 and 16 and nearly three-quarters of his victims were under 18. Some 214 criminal offenses were recorded, with 34 rapes having been reported across 28 police forces. Savile was never charged during his lifetime". unquote


source (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0767675/trivia)



Jimmy Savile A British Horror Story S01E01 1080p 1.72 Gb mp4 torrent (https://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/58003062/Jimmy_Savile_A_British_Horror_Story_S01E01_1080p_HEVC_x265-MeGus)
piratebayproxy.live/search/Jimmy Savile (https://piratebayproxy.live/search/Jimmy%20Savile/1/99/0)

[lake]

a n d t h a t s i t ?

lol




Cover up of Prince Charles' links to Savile exposed. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59052-Cover-up-of-Prince-Charles-links-to-Savile-exposed.&highlight=Savile)
Started by EYES WIDE OPEN (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?288-EYES-WIDE-OPEN), 12th May 2013



Jimmy Savile was part of satanic ring....Rituals carried out in NHS Hospitals (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67737-Jimmy-Savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring....Rituals-carried-out-in-NHS-Hospitals&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 24th January 2014



True Detectives // Blue Bloods // David Icke - Jimmy Savile & The BBC...The Tip of the Iceberg. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72571-True-Detectives-Blue-Bloods-David-Icke-Jimmy-Savile-The-BBC...The-Tip-of-the-Iceberg.&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 28th June 2014



Panorama - Jimmy Savile: The Power to Abuse 3/6/14 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71958-Panorama-Jimmy-Savile-The-Power-to-Abuse-3-6-14&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 3rd June 2014



Russell Brand on drugs, Savile and yoga ..interview Channel 4 news (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55093-Russell-Brand-on-drugs-Savile-and-yoga-..interview-Channel-4-news&highlight=Savile)
Started by Cidersomerset (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6306-Cidersomerset), 1st February 2013



Jimmy Savile Worked For MI5 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54383-Jimmy-Savile-Worked-For-MI5&highlight=Savile)
Started by charlesfrith (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?5087-charlesfrith), 15th January 2013



Jimmy Savile - Quite a big Iceberg off the glacier (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50481-Jimmy-Savile-Quite-a-big-Iceberg-off-the-glacier&highlight=Savile)
Started by indigopete (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?11029-indigopete), 2nd October 2012



Death of a Showman: Jimmy Savile 1926-2011 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33836-Death-of-a-Showman-Jimmy-Savile-1926-2011&highlight=Savile)
Started by ktlight (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?4916-ktlight), 2nd November 2011

--o-O-o--


rumble.com/search/video?q=Jimmy Savile (https://rumble.com/search/video?q=%22Jimmy%20Savile%22)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Jimmy Savile (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=%22jimmy%20savile%22&kind=video)
odysee.com/$/search?q=Jimmy Savile (https://odysee.com/$/search?q=%22jimmy%20savile%22)
google.com/search?&q=Jimmy+Savile+Timeline (https://google.com/search?&q=Jimmy+Savile++Time+line&tbm=vid)
netflix.com/title/81520549 (https://netflix.com/title/81520549) (Documentary about The Horrors of Jimmy Savile!).



Jimmy Savile: Timeline Of His Sexual Abuse And Its Uncovering (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline)

Investigators now believe the late Top of the Pops host preyed on around 500 vulnerable victims as young as two years old.


How Jimmy Savile Used Power And Fame To Abuse Hundreds Of Children For Decades (https://allthatsinteresting.com/jimmy-savile)
Jimmy Savile abuse allegations: Timeline (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19921658)
wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile)

quote: "In January 2013, a joint report by the NSPCC and Metropolitan Police, "Giving Victims a Voice", stated that 450 people had made complaints against Savile, with the period of alleged abuse stretching from 1955 to 2009 and the ages of the complainants at the time of the assaults ranging from 8 to 47. The suspected victims included 28 children aged under 10, including 10 boys aged as young as 8. A further 63 were girls aged between 13 and 16 and nearly three-quarters of his victims were under 18. Some 214 criminal offenses were recorded, with 34 rapes having been reported across 28 police forces. Savile was never charged during his lifetime". unquote


source (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0767675/trivia)



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Where is the thread John?


You said that it was all over the internet John .... WHERE IS IT JOHN?

[Sue (Ayt)]

What should I do when I know for a fact that near 6 million post have been removed from view for "no reason given"?

Really .... what should I do?



If that is the question, historically, there is NO known actionable course that I am aware of that will ultimately always restore ALL the removed information.

It is frustrating, disappointing, infuriating for sure. But even if masses of people protested, chances are a reason may be given that people will distrust and argue over anyway. And then they will continue speculating.

And speculating is about all we can do, besides getting it from the horses mouth. (But do we always trust the horse?)

hmmmm - I Wonder exactly who and why they destroyed the Library of Alexandria, and what all was in it....
:angry: grrrrr

(edit to add - maybe eventually we will find it ALL there in the Akashic Record! yay)

[ExomatrixTV]

Where is the thread John?

You said that it was all over the internet John .... WHERE IS IT JOHN?

I did not claim "everything" is archived but most is ... I checked myself ... and my points are still valid: most if not all intel can be found on multiple places because all who participated on the old David Icke forum are not stopping to educate the masses ... and it was not "exclusive" content to begin with!

Be smarter!

Most information (vast majority of it) of the old David Icke Forum is NOT UNIQUE nor "exclusive" and most who participated did not stop sharing their knowledge and moved on elsewhere as grown ups do! Not dwelling in the past. Educating the masses will still continue, especially if you know there are 100s (if not 1000s) of other (conspiracy research) platforms to go to!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[lake]

So where is the information John?

Or is it actually NOT all over the internet and you are wrong!

[lake]

What should I do when I know for a fact that near 6 million post have been removed from view for "no reason given"?

Really .... what should I do?



If that is the question, historically, there is NO known actionable course that I am aware of that will ultimately always restore ALL the removed information.

It is frustrating, disappointing, infuriating for sure. But even if masses of people protested, chances are a reason may be given that people will distrust and argue over anyway. And then they will continue speculating.

And speculating is about all we can do, besides getting it from the horses mouth. (But do we always trust the horse?)

hmmmm - I Wonder exactly who and why they destroyed the Library of Alexandria, and what all was in it....
:angry: grrrrr

(edit to add - maybe eventually we will find it ALL there in the Akashic Record! yay)

Dear Sue .... I do not know what to do!

I hate (strong word and feeling) that all the 'time' so many people put into information was just removed.
It is not about this realm .... information for people to have available .... there is so much I do not know.

But .... I know it was done with purpose.
I have 2 considerations as to "why".
I know that "lies" are involved.

There is actually rather "much" I know .... All I want is for the information to be returned (not going to happen) or for a "reason" (truthful would be good, hiding nothing).

It just annoys me that so much time devoted by so many can just be removed in a 'blink of an eye'!

[ExomatrixTV]

So where is the information John?

Or is it actually NOT all over the internet and you are wrong!

I know you want all of it and maybe 0,01% is "super unique" and "super-duper exclusive" and "live changing" (think not) ... but hey so is Project Avalon Forum we too have some exclusive insights & content ... We maybe have even much more to offer concerning the truth about Jimmy Savile (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117528-When-an-Accusation-like-Controlled-Opposition-loses-its-value-&p=1566540&viewfull=1#post1566540), but you do not really care about that, correct? ... You are projecting a drama that is based upon dwelling way too much on self-importance ... if you are so smart why did you not make backups in the first place? ... or do you just love to play the "victim card" forever?


In my view, victim mentality only breeds more victim reality.
Move on, learn from mistakes (David Icke dependency issues) as you are much better if you are not stuck in old dramas! ... Exceed your own (drama based) conditioning!
You can do it ... I can feel it. :) We all love you to excel, not dwell.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[lake]

I wonder if you can answer a straight forward question John?

I don't think that you can as I have never seen you do so!

I will try :)

Question:

Do you think that the removal from view of a forum which held 5.8 million posts of information gathered over more than a decade .... helps or hinders people as a mass?

Simple question John .... I ask for a reply to the actual question.

[ExomatrixTV]

I wonder if you can answer a straight forward question John?

I don't think that you can as I have never seen you do so!

I will try :)

Question:

Do you think that the removal from view of a forum which held 5.8 million posts of information gathered over more than a decade .... helps or hinders people as a mass?

Simple question John .... I ask for a reply to the actual question.


I did not claim "everything" is archived but most is ... I checked myself ... and my points are still valid: most if not all intel can be found on multiple places because all who participated on the old David Icke forum are not stopping to educate the masses ... and it was not "exclusive" content to begin with!

[lake]

I wonder if you can answer a straight forward question John?

I don't think that you can as I have never seen you do so!

I will try :)

Question:

Do you think that the removal from view of a forum which held 5.8 million posts of information gathered over more than a decade .... helps or hinders people as a mass?

Simple question John .... I ask for a reply to the actual question.


I did not claim "everything" is archived but most is ... I checked myself ... and my points are still valid: most if not all intel can be found on multiple places because all who participated on the old David Icke forum are not stopping to educate the masses ... and it was not "exclusive" content to begin with!

John it is a simple question ....Do you think that the removal from view of a forum which held 5.8 million posts of information gathered over more than a decade .... helps or hinders people as a mass?

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

Enough. I'm closing the thread. This continuing exchange (between just two people) is no fun to read, is trivial, and is not what the forum is for. Look at the absence of thanks on the posts. That may tell us how interesting or valuable this is to others.

A reminder to all: if you're getting irritated by another member who won't stop replying to you or will not let an issue go, just ignore them. The software will happily do that for you.


How to "ignore" another member (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111465-How-to-ignore-another-member)