5G Alarmism - more dangerous than 5G?

[ozmirage]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

5G SPECTRUM - Low-band 5G uses a similar frequency range to 4G cellphones, 600–850 MHz, giving download speeds a little higher than 4G: 30–250 megabits per second (Mbit/s). Low-band cell towers have a range and coverage area similar to 4G towers. Mid-band 5G uses microwaves of 2.5–3.7 GHz, allowing speeds of 100–900 Mbit/s, with each cell tower providing service up to several kilometers in radius. This level of service is the most widely deployed, and was deployed in many metropolitan areas in 2020. Some regions are not implementing low-band, making this the minimum service level. High-band 5G uses frequencies of 25–39 GHz, near the bottom of the millimeter wave band. However, millimeter waves (mmWave or mmW) have a more limited range, requiring many small cells. They can be impeded or blocked by materials in walls or windows.

MICROWAVE OVENS - Consumer ovens work around a nominal 2.45 gigahertz (GHz)—a wavelength of 12.2 centimeters (4.80 in) in the 2.4 GHz to 2.5 GHz ISM band—while large industrial/commercial ovens often use 915 megahertz (MHz)—32.8 centimetres (12.9 in). Water, fat, and other substances in the food absorb energy from the microwaves in a process called dielectric heating.

WiFi
IEEE 802.11ac - high-throughput wireless local area network (WLAN) on the 5 GHz band.
IEEE 802.11n - high-throughput wireless local area network (WLAN) on the 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz frequency bands.
IEEE 802.11g - high-throughput wireless local area network (WLAN) on the 2.4 GHz band.

INFRARED - Infrared (IR), sometimes called infrared light, is electromagnetic radiation (EMR) with wavelengths longer than those of visible light. It is therefore invisible to the human eye. IR is generally understood to encompass wavelengths from the nominal red edge of the visible spectrum around 700 nanometers (frequency 430 THz), to 1 millimeter (300 GHz).
Slightly more than half of the total energy from the Sun that arrives on Earth is in the form of infrared.
Restating - the "hot stuff" is from 300 GHz to 430 THz. (300 x 10^9 to 430 x 10^12 Hz)

If you're concerned about the RF output of the transmitter in your cell phone, use the earphone / mic (or headset) and keep the unit away from your skull. Cell phones have two signal strengths: 0.6 watts and 3 watts (for comparison, most CB radios transmit at 4 watts).

Consider the magnitude difference between a 600W microwave oven and a 0.6W cell phone transmitter. (1000:1)
Also note that bluetooth can be affected by the leakage from a household microwave oven.

Then factor in the “deadly” effects of solar radiation that has 1,000W/ m^2... and is a broad spectrum dosage. If you sunbathe, you're getting whacked pretty good.

And then there are cosmic rays. Cosmic rays are high-energy protons and atomic nuclei that move through space at nearly the speed of light. They originate from the Sun, from outside of the Solar System in our own galaxy, and from distant galaxies. Upon impact with Earth's atmosphere, cosmic rays produce showers of secondary particles, some of which reach the surface; although the bulk is intercepted by the magnetosphere or the heliosphere.

Much of the fear is generated by the confusion over what "radiation" is - and isn't.
Radiation is not a thing, but a process.
Sound waves radiate.
Electro-magnetic waves radiate.
Shock waves radiate.

Waves have amplitude (intensity) and frequency (cycles per second).

Molecules may resonate at certain frequencies and intensities. Depending on the medium, the speed of the waves may be different. (Electro-magnetic waves travel fastest in a vacuum, but light is 2.4 times slower in diamond.)
Most folks have seen demonstrations of music shattering glass at certain frequencies. This is due to harmonic resonance, where the material's vibration rate increases amplitude in harmony with the sound to the point it shatters.

Point : depending on frequency and intensity, matter may be adversely affected by waves of energy, sound, and pressure.
But not all frequencies have the same effect.
Nor can we sense all that impacts us.
*Maximum frequency range of audible sound : 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz, roughly 10 octaves
*Visible light frequency range : 400 × 10^12 to 800 × 10^12 Hz. roughly one octave
*Infrared (heat) begins at 430 x 10^12 Hz and below.
*Ultraviolet is begins at 800 × 10^12 Hz and above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation
Ionizing radiation, including nuclear radiation, consists of subatomicparticles or electromagnetic waves that have sufficient energy to ionize atoms or molecules by detaching electrons from them. The particles generally travel at a speed that is greater than 1% of that of light, and the electromagnetic waves are on the high-energy portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/EM-spectrum.svg/330px-EM-spectrum.svg.png
. . . . . .

Yes, you can get RF burns from a powerful transmitter. And you can get "sunburned" from UV sources like the sun or an arc welder.

But ionizing radiation can not make you radioactive. The only type of radiation that is capable of directly causing other material to become radioactive is neutron radiation, which is generally only found inside nuclear reactors or in a nuclear detonation.

(Contamination by radioactive particles can also do damage.)

Radiation sickness is illness and symptoms resulting from excessive exposure to ionizing radiation.

There are two main types of radiation: nonionizing and ionizing.


Nonionizing radiation comes in the form of light, radio waves, microwaves and radar. These forms usually don't cause tissue damage.
Ionizing radiation causes immediate effects on human tissue. X-rays, gamma rays, and particle bombardment (neutron beam, electron beam, protons, mesons, and others) give off ionizing radiation. This type of radiation is used for medical testing and treatment. It is also used in industrial and manufacturing purposes, weapons and weapons development, and more.

Neutron activation is the process in which neutron radiation induces radioactivity in materials, and occurs when atomic nuclei capture free neutrons, becoming heavier and entering excited states. The excited nucleus decays immediately by emitting gamma rays, or particles such as beta particles, alpha particles, fission products, and neutrons (in nuclear fission). Thus, the process of neutron capture, even after any intermediate decay, often results in the formation of an unstable activation product. Such radioactive nuclei can exhibit half-lives ranging from small fractions of a second to many years.

If you're concerned about "radiation" or frightened by it, determine what intensity and frequency is involved, and if it has known effects on living tissue.

Another issue for human tissue - cosmic rays
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_threat_from_cosmic_rays

http://www.clavius.org/envradintro.html
Beta particles are very small and can penetrate centimeters into the body. But luckily they're too small to cause much damage if they hit anything. But there's a special problem here. When beta particles hit large atoms, the impact causes those atoms to give off x-rays. Metal atoms are usually quite heavy, and so are especially susceptible to this kind of re-radiation which is known by its German name "Bremsstrahlung". In fact, this is how x-rays are produced intentionally for medical applications.

The best materials to shield against beta particles have lots of hydrogen atoms in them. Hydrogen atoms are light, and so absorb the particles without giving off x-rays. Plain old water works very well. In fact, 4 inches (10 centimeters) of water will block almost all background beta particles.
Water is an ideal shield for cosmic radiation, too.

That's why fish didn't evolve as quickly as land animals, who are exposed to far more radiation and mutate faster.

(Hmmm, maybe a rooftop pool is a good investment?)

In any case, terrestrial animals have been bombarded by a wide spectrum of electro-magnetic radiation from the beginning.

The sun generates tremendous radio noise, too, and amateur radio operators know how much farther their signals propagate once the sun goes down. FCC requires AM radio broadcasters to cut power, at sundown, because they would otherwise interfere with other stations.

Frankly, 5G doesn't pose a danger at the frequency band and power levels used. If it caused interference, radio noise or other issues, it would be noticed right away. A tin foil hat poses more danger - if hit by beta particles - and re-radiates x-rays.

[jaybee]

[snip]

Frankly, 5G doesn't pose a danger at the frequency band and power levels used. If it caused interference, radio noise or other issues, it would be noticed right away. A tin foil hat poses more danger - if hit by beta particles - and re-radiates x-rays.

Re bolded...

I'm sorry but I don't buy that...

Frequency bands and power levels can be altered - they aren't set in stone - and there is growing speculation that 5G is part of a combo with the injections being rolled out - preparing for the Central Bankers Digital Currency connected to a Social Credit Score System, using 5G and AI... and possibly other uses more nefarious like depopulation -

nice touch adding the bit about the tin foil hat, by the way... :/

[Ernie Nemeth]

The problem is the usual. The health damage already done at far lower levels since the inception of broadcasting towers in the 50s has been normalized and is lost to the background noise. Autoimmune diseases have been on the rise and exponentially growing ever since.

Also, the problem with these high power towers using 5G is that they disperse much faster and so you need many more towers. The increase in point sources and the resulting overlap of fields is a growing concern. There are nodes in the field where the power factor is far higher than any one point source would deliver. And since these are microwaves they cook flesh quickly...inside the body where it cannot be seen, and shows no immediate symptoms. Repeated exposure can cause severe damage, often attributed to other causes.

Then there is of course the scalar component, the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum that so far has been overlooked. If this concept bears fruit, the scalar component becomes ever more prominent the higher the energies involved.

Another angle to examine is the crystalline structure of the human body, specifically the spine, the blood, and the organs in general, makes the body and its cells attempt to resonate with the incoming signal. But the signal is inorganic, choppy, erratic, violent, and intrusive. To resonate with such a signal is to introduce disease into the organism. Therefore, it is quite possible that the nature of the body in relation to the signal actually promotes illness at least secondarily, and goes unnoticed in terms of causality.

[ozmirage]

And since these are microwaves they cook flesh quickly...inside the body where it cannot be seen, and shows no immediate symptoms.
That is great example of ALARMISM.

And, if you actually knew something about RF energy and its real hazards, you would know that dangerous levels of RF do present symptoms - immediately - or soon enough.

I was privy to the research of an "expert" on RF burns, who suffered cataracts from repeated exposure to high energy radar transmitters while engaged in meteorological research. The EYES are the tell-tale sign of too much exposure.

He also mapped the signal intensity from low powered transmitters used in Police and Fireman's radios situated near the skull. He was instrumental in changing policy so that the transmitter antennae were moved away from the skull, and a discrete microphone / speaker system was implemented.

With respect to the signal intensity, it swiftly drops based on the square of the distance. It's why we can't have "direct transmission" of radiant power.

A megawatt TV transmitter may energize a distant antenna with microwatts of signal power. . . a power ratio of 10^16:1.

As stated before, the radiation from the noon day sun dwarfs the energy intensity of a local transmitter. The energy or intensity decreases (divided by 4) as the distance r is doubled; if measured in dB would decrease by 3.01 dB per doubling of distance.

The more complex answer requires knowing the frequency (and thus the wavelength), input power to the transmitter, and the assumed safety levels. For massive TV antennae, pumping out millions of watts, you'd think that they wouldn't put them on top of tall buildings if the end result was an irradiated tenant base, dying off from the exposure.

https://transition.fcc.gov/bureaus/oet/info/documents/bulletins/oet65/oet65a.pdf

[Ernie Nemeth]

Your reply shows you are well versed in this field at a level above mine.

While your answers are the stock answers we have all heard many times before, it carries a great deal of weight.

My only exception is that you speak in terms of the space/time continuum, which has done away with the ether. It is the effect that these energies have on the plenum that is in question. Radio waves are not of concern, as the health effects are minimal but not non-existent. How those health effects translate into our accepted death rates is unknown but suspect.

As the emitted energies move towards higher energies and shorter wavelengths, the plenum is disrupted. The plenum underlies the life force which we have no idea about at all. It is how the intelligence of life is transmitted to all living things.

This is systemic disruption, that can manifest as any of a number of diseases. And that is why it is so hard to prove that at least part of the problem is these new sources of unnatural energy.

We do not know all the effects of EM fields, or fields in general, or the actual structure of space/time. We are dealing with subtle energies that ride below the manipulated signal of our communication systems and minuscule deviations in 3D space that alter the form and function of life systems. They do not outright kill, they first make ill with no observable cause. Then they kill, in the form of shorter lives due to accumulation of inter-cellular damage and interference with the body's intelligence, with us none the wiser.

[meat suit]

the concern with 5g is that this may well be a weapons system.
a myriade of signals at different amplitudes and frequencies can be broadcast.
your mobile phone, car or any other device near your body might act as a relay station to further amplify and direct signals.

lately air craft operators have expressed safety concerns:

https://www.rt.com/news/546333-airlines-5g-economic-calamity/
Airlines say 5G will create ‘economic calamity’
Major airlines and shippers made a last-ditch plea to halt 5G rollout near US airports

[Bo Atkinson]

I agree that alarmism, (exaggeration of danger causing needless worry or
panic), can indeed be worse than a particular danger; however, in some instances the risk assessments of dangers, deserves more careful study.

In particular, I would like to briefly explain my concern for misuses such as covert abuses, where the tools are becoming readily available. The right to bear fire arms does not cause crimes, and electronic technology itself cannot cause crimes, as only premeditated intents cause mechanisms to harm people.

I was oblivious to the widespread use of mind control practices before 2007, at which time I began experiencing some of the most covert kinds of electronic attacks. I had previously studied some parts of electronics communications technology, and wanted to track down the cause(s).

Long story short, it is the surround-antenna effect and the general bandwidth ranges which may ultimately be abused by criminal intents, (but not by the honest professionals or regulators). It is the rogue and harmful intentions which must be personally guarded against, if laws are too weak and uninformed to protect the population.

From somewhat arguable grounds, I got my best introduction from knowledgeable whistleblowers. From personal experience I got the symptoms to corroborate, and the drive to focus, and survive. The technology is innocent in itself, and the intents must be recognized.

Microvolt signals delivered just so, can affect neurons, and the spacial targeting of specific persons, as by surround-antennas, can focus programmed attacks. There are multiple kinds of attacks and dangers, so little more should be said here, besides this testimony.

Therefore I support posts on PA which investigate and remind people who could become targets. The good news I provide is that I survived some of the worst attacks and over the years got "them" off my back. So I say "don't worry, don't panic", but instead find a support group, at one's level of comprehension.

I consider this as a war on consciousness, which uses any kind of technology at hand by hate infested souls; and traditionally, targeting and parasitism have used art forms, at levels not yet unexplained, and other parts of society are also covertly used to achieve abusive ends.

It is the specially located, electronically active coding content regardless that it might be just a few microvolts, which can cause havoc in the neurons, and has through all history, already done as much, in countless other ways, to abuse fellow humans, with hateful intents.

[ozmirage]

As this site reminds us - it's not the voltage, but the current that does the damage. In their stun gun, 4.5 milliamps is enough to overload the electrical impulses of the human body.
https://www.tbotech.com/highest-amperage-stun-gun.htm

When you feel a static shock, you are experiencing a minimum of 3,000 volts of electricity.
Should you still worry about microvolts?

[ozmirage]

5G SPECTRUM - Low-band 5G uses a similar frequency range to 4G cellphones, 600–850 MHz, giving download speeds a little higher than 4G: 30–250 megabits per second (Mbit/s). Low-band cell towers have a range and coverage area similar to 4G towers. Mid-band 5G uses microwaves of 2.5–3.7 GHz, allowing speeds of 100–900 Mbit/s, with each cell tower providing service up to several kilometers in radius. This level of service is the most widely deployed, and was deployed in many metropolitan areas in 2020. Some regions are not implementing low-band, making this the minimum service level. High-band 5G uses frequencies of 25–39 GHz, near the bottom of the millimeter wave band. However, millimeter waves (mmWave or mmW) have a more limited range, requiring many small cells. They can be impeded or blocked by materials in walls or windows.(Ultra High Frequency) A range of radio frequencies from 300 MHz to 3 GHz. In the U.S., analog television has used UHF channels 52 to 69 in the 700 MHz band.

Restating : LOW band is in the UHF TV transmitter range, MID band is in the microwave band (like your household microwave oven, wifi, and bluetooth), and HIGH band is easily blocked and requires many small cells.
Guess which one is most likely to be used for cell phones, etc?

And which 5G band are you most alarmed about?
All bands?
Then you had better toss out your TV, wireless telephone, cellular telephone, microwave, wifi, and bluetooth, too.

The main advantage of the new networks is that they will have greater bandwidth, giving higher download speeds, eventually up to 10 gigabits per second (Gbit/s).
How will they achieve this using the same frequencies in the low and mid-band that 4G uses?

One way is MIMO.
MIMO systems use multiple antennas at the transmitter and receiver ends of a wireless communication system. Multiple antennas use the spatial dimension for multiplexing in addition to the time and frequency ones, without changing the bandwidth requirements of the system.
Massive MIMO (multiple-input and multiple-output) antennas increases sector throughput and capacity density using large numbers of antennas.

THAT is the big difference between 4G and 5G. . . number of antennae.

Ditto for IEEE 802.11ac.


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[onawah]

The dying off of the bees alone should tell us all we need to know.
But I wouldn't quote Wikipedia and expect agreement.


And since these are microwaves they cook flesh quickly...inside the body where it cannot be seen, and shows no immediate symptoms.
That is great example of ALARMISM.

And, if you actually knew something about RF energy and its real hazards, you would know that dangerous levels of RF do present symptoms - immediately - or soon enough.

I was privy to the research of an "expert" on RF burns, who suffered cataracts from repeated exposure to high energy radar transmitters while engaged in meteorological research. The EYES are the tell-tale sign of too much exposure.

He also mapped the signal intensity from low powered transmitters used in Police and Fireman's radios situated near the skull. He was instrumental in changing policy so that the transmitter antennae were moved away from the skull, and a discrete microphone / speaker system was implemented.

With respect to the signal intensity, it swiftly drops based on the square of the distance. It's why we can't have "direct transmission" of radiant power.

A megawatt TV transmitter may energize a distant antenna with microwatts of signal power. . . a power ratio of 10^16:1.

As stated before, the radiation from the noon day sun dwarfs the energy intensity of a local transmitter. The energy or intensity decreases (divided by 4) as the distance r is doubled; if measured in dB would decrease by 3.01 dB per doubling of distance.

The more complex answer requires knowing the frequency (and thus the wavelength), input power to the transmitter, and the assumed safety levels. For massive TV antennae, pumping out millions of watts, you'd think that they wouldn't put them on top of tall buildings if the end result was an irradiated tenant base, dying off from the exposure.

https://transition.fcc.gov/bureaus/oet/info/documents/bulletins/oet65/oet65a.pdf

[ozmirage]

FYI: there are people who claim to be sensitive to any RF energy and find solace in this one area of the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Quiet_Zone

The National Radio Quiet Zone (NRQZ) is a large area of land in the United States designated as a radio quiet zone, in which radio transmissions are heavily restricted by law to facilitate scientific research and the gathering of military intelligence. Roughly half of the zone is located in the Blue Ridge Mountains of west-central Virginia while the other half is the Allegheny Mountains of east-central West Virginia; a small part of the zone is in the southernmost tip of the Maryland panhandle.
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You might investigate how much more or less they suffer from "alarmist" maladies.

[Bo Atkinson]

As this site reminds us - it's not the voltage, but the current that does the damage. In their stun gun, 4.5 milliamps is enough to overload the electrical impulses of the human body.
https://www.tbotech.com/highest-amperage-stun-gun.htm

When you feel a static shock, you are experiencing a minimum of 3,000 volts of electricity.
Should you still worry about microvolts?


Thanks for bringing that up, too. Inductive current, of heavy welding cables wrapped around me while welding in contorted positions, with bare patches of skin tanned by the arc, the sparkles, are all indeed harsh. But I still enjoy welding things that are needed in the rural life, just as the urban dweller can enjoy their phone.

The point I make about what ever voltages actually interact with neurons, no matter how small these are, and how small the current flowing through neurons are... It is the message that counts big, (and not the small messengers). The message or data that flows through mind control attacks is worse than simple pains like bad bruises or some burns. Messages sent as mind control can push one over the edge of a precipice – This is the leveraged effect worthy of further consideration.

[Bo Atkinson]

[QUOTE]5G SPECTRUM -
And which 5G band are you most alarmed about?
All bands?
Any band can be abused, just as too much water can drown or too much air can hyperventilate.

If you want evidence I can provide small examples of how even the normal computer frequencies appear entrained with my thoughts as I write things. I have collected a lot of screen shots of Mac OS, Activity Monitor which displays the network activity, and this is not alarming but rather just intriguing as to how humans are wirelessly wired with certain computer circuits.



I'm actually curious rather than alarmed, and I encourage the best and brightest to study how this is so.

Life can be beautiful in it's unraveling.

[Trisher]

FYI: there are people who claim to be sensitive to any RF energy and find solace in this one area of the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Quiet_Zone

The National Radio Quiet Zone (NRQZ) is a large area of land in the United States designated as a radio quiet zone, in which radio transmissions are heavily restricted by law to facilitate scientific research and the gathering of military intelligence. Roughly half of the zone is located in the Blue Ridge Mountains of west-central Virginia while the other half is the Allegheny Mountains of east-central West Virginia; a small part of the zone is in the southernmost tip of the Maryland panhandle.
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You might investigate how much more or less they suffer from "alarmist" maladies.

The world has been ridden roughshod over with technology beamed from every angle and place leaving people with just one tiny fraction of the world to choose to live without it. Its far from alright for people and nature to have no choice in this matter. This is a broken world and the madness of power and money have temporarily taken the front seat.

[TargeT]

[snip]

Frankly, 5G doesn't pose a danger at the frequency band and power levels used. If it caused interference, radio noise or other issues, it would be noticed right away. A tin foil hat poses more danger - if hit by beta particles - and re-radiates x-rays.

Re bolded...

I'm sorry but I don't buy that...

Frequency bands and power levels can be altered - they aren't set in stone -

not quite true, the shape of the antenna is very specific to the hz bands it is meant to operate in same with the physical power supply that it works with... the operation of these units, and their upper/lower limits is very well documented.

[ozmirage]

Irrational fear of invisible forces cannot be dispelled by rational argument.
"... only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun ..."
A reminder that there is the potential for daily exposure to harsh radiation from a nearby fusion reactor... and there's not much you can do about it.

[jaybee]

~


I would be very relieved if 5G was not a threat to the environment / human health / animal, birds and insects.... very relieved indeed....

But I don't think this is the case - and my own view is that we don't need it - but those involved in bringing in the Internet of Things and Smart this and that, including Smart Cities - - - will want to gloss over the dangers - indeed taking it all a step further the transhuman agenda may need genetically modified human bodies to be able to take the stresses and strains of 5G + (part of covert aims the covid jab roll out could be to explore what a human body can take along these lines...?)


On the subject of antenna that was brought up (by TargeT).... I've just had a quick look to see what I can find on the subject that is relevant -

The crux of the matter, re antenna, that I can see from a quick look... is whether they can be tuned (altered) or not and this gets back to my remark about the frequency bands and power levels not being set in stone...

Obviously this is a highly technical subject but there seems to be aims to design antenna that can be tuned to serve different situations...?.... this would make sense that they wouldn't want to limit the network by only having fixed antennas that couldn't adapt..? This is speculation as I'm not knowledgeable of the subject...


https://www.digi.com/blog/post/solving-5g-antenna-design-challenges

The most commonly seen active antenna systems can be divided into two categories: active impedance matching and antenna aperture tuning. The active impedance matching technique enables the antenna system to select among different impedance-matching networks based on operating condition changes, while active aperture tuning directly changes the intrinsic characteristics of the antenna.

https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/113884/1/2017.03.17%20GreenNet%20Camera%20Ready%20TOF.pdf

This invited paper has presented a highly novel architectural
approach for the mobile and wireless radio systems to achieve
tunable and concurrent multi-band operation through a single
transceiver chain

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7041051

Enhanced antenna technologies will be key enabling factors in the development of 5th-generation (5G) systems that will achieve significant improvements in system capacity. This paper presents a practical performance evaluation of an active antenna system (AAS) that can lead to high-capacity gain with vertical sectorization (VS). Active antennas have flexible radiation pattern control for adapting to changing situations in mobile networks. This study shows the capabilities of an AAS to improving cellular network capacity in a real High-Speed Packet Access (HSPA) network. The field trial results indicate that the AAS technology can offer 84.6% capacity gains in the downlink direction. Thus AAS technology is a promising development for 5G mobile cellular systems that demand more capacity.


Anyway - without lots of time consuming study I've tried to back up the point I made - :)

[ozmirage]

A short note on "concerns" over antenna radiated power.
The whole IDEA of a cellular network is that the transceivers are LOW POWER so they do not interfere with adjacent cell towers. If they were to emit beyond their allotted power, they would interfere with other towers, and defeat the purpose.
This is entirely different from the older "mobile" radio telephone systems, that had limited channels, etc, etc. (Old TV shows often have the caller contact an operator, etc.)
They did have a more powerful transmitter.

FYI: In urban areas, cell sites commonly emit an ERP of 10 watts per channel or less.
A CB radio has an ERP of 4 watts.
In contrast,US Amateur Transmitter Power Limits
At all times, transmitter power must be the minimum necessary to carry out the desired communications. Unless otherwise noted, the maximum power output is 1500 watts PEP.
"HAMS" can really crank out the power.

][addendum][
When any carrier is modulated (encoded with data), it generates side bands above and below the carrier. These can vary in frequency and amplitude. STRONG signals generate too much interference in adjacent channels.
It's one of the reasons why TV stations skip 1 or 2 channels in a marketplace.
2,4,6,8,11, etc. versus 3,5,7,9,12, etc.


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Even with their sophisticated control, they "bleed" over.

[avid]

Why are you perpetrating anti-science here? Your last post before this latest ‘info’ was in 2016. You are being deliberately divisive, your scientific research is quite amazing, but I researched this ages ago, and 5G is ruinous to health and environment, especially wildlife, so I totally refute your 5G ‘scientific’ obfuscations, so why are you here now?

[onawah]

I second that.
"Quite amazing" as in "very inaccurate".


Why are you perpetrating anti-science here? Your last post before this latest ‘info’ was in 2016. You are being deliberately divisive, your scientific research is quite amazing, but I researched this ages ago, and 5G is ruinous to health and environment, especially wildlife, so I totally refute your 5G ‘scientific’ obfuscations, so why are you here now?

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

There's a danger that this discussion might start to get acrimonious. I know that's not anyone's wish or intention. But it's quite an emotional issue for some, and I understand why.

As best I know, there's not much doubt that any kind of Wifi (3G, 4G, 5G) can be detrimental to health. There are many case studies, easily found. I'd be fairly sure that some people are more sensitive to it than others — as is often the case with many things that might impact on health.

But personally, just like I filter my water and avoid any kind of toxins if I can, I make sure there's no Wifi signal in my bedroom. It's not 5G, but I regard Wifi as a potential toxin, too, and I'm aiming to replace the Wifi with a fiber-optic cable so that my entire internet connection is hard-wired and barely radiating at all.

There's nothing natural about Wifi radiation. I'd contend fairly strongly that it's justifiable, at least for some people, to treat it with some concern.

:focus:

[avid]

Bill, thanks for this, I have all my main connections hard-wired, and my technical guy does the same for his home.
Many years ago, after my and my partner’s researches, we had a whole new computer department moved due to potential microwave and electronic interference. It worked very well after that.

[ozmirage]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/science/5g-cellphones-wireless-cancer.html
" Dr. Curry’s flawed reports were amplified by alarmist websites, prompted articles linking cellphones to brain cancer and served as evidence in lawsuits urging the removal of wireless classroom technology. In time, echoes of his reports fed Russian news sites noted for stoking misinformation about 5G technology. What began as a simple graph became a case study in how bad science can take root and flourish."

"In his research, Dr. Curry looked at studies on how radio waves affect tissues isolated in the lab, and misinterpreted the results as applying to cells deep inside the human body. His analysis failed to recognize the protective effect of human skin. At higher radio frequencies, the skin acts as a barrier, shielding the internal organs, including the brain, from exposure. Human skin blocks the even higher frequencies of sunlight."

“It doesn’t penetrate,” said Christopher M. Collins, a professor of radiology at New York University who studies the effect of high-frequency electromagnetic waves on humans. Dr. Curry’s graph, he added, failed to take into account “the shielding effect.”
Hmmmmm.

Oh, and it's no coincidence that RT pillories 5G, while official policy embraces it in Mother Russia. Why hasn't Russia blocked 5G, in line with their propaganda organs?

[Bill Ryan]

https://nytimes.com/2019/07/16/science/5g-cellphones-wireless-cancer.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/science/5g-cellphones-wireless-cancer.html)For every New York Times article that's cited, there's one (or more!) to be found that look rather like this:

https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7405337

Health risks from radiofrequency radiation, including 5G, should be assessed by experts with no conflicts of interest
Abstract

The fifth generation, 5G, of radiofrequency (RF) radiation is about to be implemented globally without investigating the risks to human health and the environment. This has created debate among concerned individuals in numerous countries.

In an appeal to the European Union (EU) in September 2017, currently endorsed by >390 scientists and medical doctors, a moratorium on 5G deployment was requested until proper scientific evaluation of potential negative consequences has been conducted. This request has not been acknowledged by the EU.

The evaluation of RF radiation health risks from 5G technology is ignored in a report by a government expert group in Switzerland and a recent publication from The International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection. Conflicts of interest and ties to the industry seem to have contributed to the biased reports.

The lack of proper unbiased risk evaluation of the 5G technology places populations at risk. Furthermore, there seems to be a cartel of individuals monopolizing evaluation committees, thus reinforcing the no-risk paradigm. We believe that this activity should qualify as scientific misconduct.

My comment:

I wonder if the New York Times editorial team consists of "experts with no conflicts of interest".

[Satori]

I find it one solid argument against 5G that many airlines worldwide have successfully petitioned governments to not permit 5G towers near airports. If (rather since) 5G presents a danger to electronics and related systems, it is completely rationale to conclude that it presents a danger to humans and other life forms.

[ozmirage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/438rnt/how_does_radiation_from_the_sun_compares_to/
"Solar radiation amounts to roughly 1 kW per m2 on a clear day at sealevel...
"WiFi routers (2.4 & 5 GHz)... range from 20 mW to 100 mW for standard off-the-shelf model...
" If we're at 5 m distance from the router, that means that we receive about 0.25% of the total power output ...
"Now, lets go outside and lie on our back (or front) in the grass. We'll be taking in about 800 W or 3.2 million times more than what we'd get from our router. There are 525,600 minutes in a year, so you do receive more radiation, in terms of energy, from a minute of sunbathing than a year of standing at 5 m from a powerful WiFi router."
If you really feel threatened by low, medium and high band 5G, do not go into the sunlight unprotected.

[onawah]

Tell it to the dead bees, Mirage.

[Trisher]

This really is an old argument that fear rather than 5G /EMFs does the damage. This type of accusation was flung at people early on years back and that formed the springboard for countless investigations into its harmful effects on people, birds, bees, plants etc. We have long since gone past the idea that the tumour found in people's heads where cell phones were held is because they were in fear. This is an ancient cracked pot you are stirring Mirage and I don't see the point.

[ExomatrixTV]

When you have some people who refuse to really study all sources connected to legit concerns dealing with Prolonged Erratic Pulsed Microwave Radiation Exposure and calling it: "5g fear porn" ... Even one of the Avalonians (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=50) decided to add that tag-name to this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-) Project Avalon Forum Thread but is chicken to come forward to take responsibility for this cowardly act.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1598018&viewfull=1#post1598018)


I found a short video that may explain why that is ... https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/blabla.gif :wacko:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/ohwell.gif


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[dim]

I think I'll take the plant's word for it

https://i.ibb.co/tp4Ng7Y/Plant-Router.webp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8eozHfPQ8