The Russian aggression against Finland/Sweden/Baltic countries

[muxfolder]

I think this should be a separate thread. So post your opinions/updates here.

[Bill Ryan]

If the Baltic states were ever to be in danger, you'd have plenty of warning — like months of troop and other military build-ups in strategic locations, and so on. It's an entirely different proposition from an attack on (or invasion of) Ukraine.

I really don't think there's any need to worry at all, and (as best I understand) there are no clues that Putin has anything like that in mind.

[ExomatrixTV]

@muxfolder (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?597-muxfolder) can you show 1 concrete example (or more) of "Russian aggression against Finland/Sweden/Baltic countries"?



thnx :dog:

[amor]

Thank you John for giving me this opportunity to express a thought which I feel is really important regarding what is happening in and to Russia, who I believe is behind it, and the way to work with it so that it does not become the terrible harm to all which I believe certain worthless parties intend...World War III. We all know who they are.

Russia is ice bound to the North, perhaps half the year or more. Their East Coast is too far away from their main access to Europe. Their passage south of Finland, Sweden, etc., is very narrow and may also be blocked with ice in the Winter. Their only real access to the outer world, other than by air or space, is through the Black Sea and what I believe is called the Sea of Asov where they have built a bridge to The Crimea, and to further protect access to the Black Sea, their only exit to the Meditteranean. If you corner a dangerous animal, you definitely invite a deadly attack therefrom in the interests of self preservation. How would you like to know that the only alternative left to that dangerous animal is an attack on its enemies, cutting off all their access to electricity which also means the crippling of their enemy's military reprisals? Neither the Russian people nor any of humanity deserve the bitter consequences of any war, especially not World War III, which will be the LAST WAR.

The SUN is preparing to NOVA Earth. The only mention I can find on the Internet about this is a statement that it is now three million miles closer to Earth than its former stated ninety-three million miles. I can make some guesses as to how this came about, but wish to stick to the above subject of the New World Order GANG (for that is what it is) provoking the Last War, because they have put themselves into a Corner where there are so few people who can afford to purchase stocks and bonds that the present owners of Corporate assets can get no one to buy them, thus rendering themselves cashless perhaps. One way to raise this cash is through INFLATION to provide funds for WAR! We can see how their Hand Maiden, Biden, is busy setting about this inflation. Since it appears that there is no way to halt cousin Rothschild from his usual pathway, he leaves us no choice but to suggest OUTING THE LIGHTS OF "THE CITY OF LONDON," permanently, instead of sacraficing the poor, hard-working people of America, once again.

A message to the Committee-of-Three-Hundred, Billionairs, helping to create the last mayhem on Earth to further feather their already over-feathered nests. This is the final call. Defer, or lose it ALL. The goose that laid your Golden Egg is almost dead.

[Justplain]

The fact that Russia invaded Ukraine will prompt Scandinavian countries to join NATO out of security concerns. Putin likes to threaten, but if his invasion gets too costly and bloody, this whole thing may backfire on him. Finland and Sweden are far better equipped for self defense than Ukraine, although neither apparently possesses nuclear weapons. I think both countries are already in a strategic cooperation arrangement with NATO, so the deal is almost done. Putin seems to think that having recently developed some hypersonic weapons that he can bully anyone he likes. However he must be looking for a war with NATO because he's driving all the nonaligned European countries into NATO's arms.

Regarding how this fits with the illuminati's plans, it's convenient that since the oppression of covid measures is waning, a new boogeyman has quickly arisen. Klaus Schwab has bragged that Putin is a graduate of the WEF young global leaders program, like Merkle, Trudeau, gates and Ahern and dozens of others, so this Ukraine invasion may be part of a script. If this flops, what next, a fake alien invasion?

[amor]

If THIS Putin is a NWO PLANT, then all the World Leaders are either plants or definitely Paid Off to cooperate. Then this World Genocide is a DONE DEAL, leaving only the people to KNOW this and drag them all OFF their EVIL THRONES.

[ZenBaller]

@muxfolder (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?597-muxfolder) can you show 1 concrete example (or more) of "Russian aggression against Finland/Sweden/Baltic countries"?



thnx :dog:


Putin turns his attention to Finland and Sweden as Kremlin official warns nations - which both share border with Russia - that they will face 'military consequences' if they join NATO
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10553723/Putin-turns-attention-Finland-Sweden-Kremlin-official-warns-nations.html

[gini]

Putin lookin for a war with NATO?--Putin is a NWO plant and part of the globalists conspiracy and secretly cooperating with the ones who calling him out to be the worst of worst ?--Putin provoking scandinavia? --Putin is the dangerous man who wants to control us all?:facepalm: Seriously?Is that where we have to focus on?Sure not a distraction?

[muxfolder]

Putin lookin for a war with NATO?--Putin is a NWO plant and part of the globalists conspiracy and secretly cooperating with the ones who calling him out to be the worst of worst ?--Putin provoking scandinavia? --Putin is the dangerous man who wants to control us all?:facepalm: Seriously?Is that where we have to focus on?Sure not a distraction?

He surely likes to be some future to be fallen leader. I simply don't know. But if he threatens us he threatens us all. That's what I think. And of course, it's not only Putin, it's his government. Business as usual nothing to do with us really.

[silver birch]

I am sure Dailymail is a very thruthful paper ... but Sweden has no land border with Russia. The closest is thru Finland 300km.
Norway on the other hand has a short border in the north and is already a member of NATO.

My intelligence is telling me the Swedish King just raised the white flag over Stockholm and declared his intent on Truth Social to never join that stoopid club for pushing old military equipment on scared nations, and also leaving EU as soon as possible.
This will probably be reported in Dailymail soon. Methinks.

https://www.nationsonline.org/maps/Sweden-Political-Map.jpg

[muxfolder]

I am sure Dailymail is a very thruthful paper ... but Sweden has no land border with Russia. The closest is thru Finland 300km.
Norway on the other hand has a short border in the north and is already a member of NATO.

My intelligence is telling me the Swedish King just raised the white flag over Stockholm and declared his intent on Truth Social to never join that stoopid club for pushing old military equipment on scared nations, and also leaving EU as soon as possible.
This will probably be reported in Dailymail soon. Methinks.

https://www.nationsonline.org/maps/Sweden-Political-Map.jpg

So, tell me is it that Sweden has already surrendered?

[Open Minded Dude]

Is there any verbatim quote of the warning / threat issued by the Russians or Putin or Lavrov?

Then please post it here. We should always try to find the prime sources, not indirect sources by MSM papers or whatever. Any Russian gov statements on this on their site even if in Russian to be translated or whatever?

[muxfolder]

I'm telling you. If this is on, we're gonna fight back. For the last ****ing Finnish soldiers lying back down, it's gonna be hell to deal with us. This is not Afganistan. This is not Ukraine. It's gonna go on and on forever. We WILL fight back.

[s7e6e]

The truth about the vaccine bio-weapon is coming out, insurance companies are going bankrupt from the insane rise in unexpected deaths, respected laboratories around the world are confirming the ingredients are designed to kill or enslave.

The conflict in Ukraine is a smokescreen to distract public's opinion from the REAL stories, the culling and enslavement of the human race.

[gini]

Timcast IRL - Russia Threatens Military Action Against Sweden And Finland--26/2/22--120 minutesEZXau4VIsA0

[ExomatrixTV]

1984 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four) "Eurasia" comes to mind ...

55,000,000 km2 (21,000,000 sq mi)
Population: 5,360,351,985 in 2019
... so about 2/3 of all people on Earth live in Eurasia




The Superstates Of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four)

Mr. Orwell had nothing to say about the the flags of the superstates that divided his fictional world, so I took it upon myself to design them. For Oceania, red symbolizes the prevailing ideology (English Socialism or Ingsoc in Newspeak), blue symbolizes the seas that separate the state's various provinces (the British Isles, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa) and white symbolizes purity of thought (goodthink in Newspeak).

The V symbolizes the inevitable global victory of Oceania and Ingsoc; the three white stars symbolize the three slogans of the Party (War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength). For Eurasia red symbolizes the prevailing ideology (Neo-Bolshevism), the green stripe spanning the flag symbolizes the extent of the state (the entire European and northern Asiatic land mass), the large yellow star charged with a red star symbolizes the ever-victorious peoples of the state under the leadership of the ruling party.

For Eastasia red symbolizes the prevailing ideology (Obliteration of the Self) and the ruling party, and the yellow triangle represents progress and inevitable victory. The three stars symbolize the three provinces of the state (China, Japan and Southeast Asia). The larger star is for China, symbolizing that country's leading role in the revolution that established the state.

In the 1984 film adaption of Orwell's novel, the flag of Oceania was depicted as black, bearing the emblem of the Party. The clasped hands, reminiscent of the emblem of the Socialist Unity Party of the defunct German Democratic Republic, presumably were meant to represent racial solidarity.

https://tmg110.tripod.com/FicFlags/84-ocea.gif


Flag Of Oceania


https://tmg110.tripod.com/FicFlags/84-eura.gif


Flag Of Eurasia


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Flag Of Eastasia


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Flag Of Oceania As Depicted In The Movie "1984"

source (https://tmg110.tripod.com/ficflags1.htm)




The Dystopian World of 1984 Explained

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[9ideon]

I'm telling you. If this is on, we're gonna fight back. For the last ****ing Finnish soldiers lying back down, it's gonna be hell to deal with us.

Perhaps now is the time to ask for that piece of Karelia back.

I guess that as long as Finland doesn't join up with Nato there's no reason for Russia to come over and have talks. Why would you anyway. It's way better to stay neutral and make a treaty with both sides concerning neutrality, if any of the sides attack the other party will help defend Finland. They should have done the same deal in/with Ukraine.

[muxfolder]

I'm telling you. If this is on, we're gonna fight back. For the last ****ing Finnish soldiers lying back down, it's gonna be hell to deal with us.

Perhaps now is the time to ask for that piece of Karelia back.

I guess that as long as Finland doesn't join up with Nato there's no reason for Russia to come over and have talks. Why would you anyway. It's way better to stay neutral and make a treaty with both sides concerning neutrality, if any of the sides attack the other party will help defend Finland. They should have done the same deal in/with Ukraine.

Only there's that problem with our geological position. We've been dealing with Russians throughout our history because we are where we are. I think the real reason now is because we have a lot of fresh water here. A lot. I think that's what they are really after rather than access to Baltic Sea. Which was the latest excuse to invade here.

[Ratszinger]

Russia has controlled that, "Separatist Region" they are currently being accused of invading and the people living there are like 90% Russian by lineage. NATO and other special forces troops of other countries have been there for quite a while and all the while that they have been there they have been seen primarily as invaders or outsiders! These Russian people have been abused and beaten by them at times and they had complained about it to Putin and others. Now Putin goes in and early footage now removed showed those residents cheering that the Russian military was there to protect them from the NATO and other troops that have been there hurting them! They are happy about it because they now feel safer with their own army there to represent them. So who are the invaders here really? How can Putin be an invader when he was invited, asked to come by the people that live there? NATO doesn't belong there and they are the real invaders if you ask the residents or at least that is what some are saying on their phones from there if you can manage to find it before Twitter or Youtube removes it. Typical of the USA and wests media they have silently sat back while the real invasion was going on all this time and now that Russia is cleaning up and taking care of the area they controlled pretty much anyway with exception for all the troops there they turn it all around calling him the invader when it's Russian territory and they all know it. Things are never what the news says and keep in mind the people bringing you all that crap are the same ones that brought you and me, "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq which we all know now was a big fat lie! Unfortunately so is this invasion theme! They have actually used photos of Zelensky passing them off as real time footage of him out there fighting in the trenches with the troops and it's not even a new pic but has been out a long time ago! They lie as usual for their narrative and agenda!

[muxfolder]

Speaking of those separatists Putin usually mentions. None here. Actually it's the other way around. There are a lot of Finnish speaking people in Russia.

[Justplain]

Despite the violations that I've heard of that the Ukraine has perpetrated, such as forcing Russians not to speak their language, blocking water to Crimea and soldiers using human shields, there are enough live feeds from Ukraine showing a massive resistance by the Ukrainian population to this invasion Let's cut the bullsh!t. The vast majority of Ukrainians don't see Russia as anything other than ruthless invaders, and atleast a quarter of the adult population are willing to take up arms against them. Russia should pack up and go home and find some other way to get a lasting peace. Russia can be real bastards, just look at what they did to Grozny a few decades ago. And the west isn't afraid of Putin's threats. If Putin and his regime keep this up they will live to greatly regret their decision.

And China knows not to attack Taiwan, the west is well enough equipped to handle both it and Russia.

Don't push it guys, or it'll be a huge mess and Russia and China will come out the big losers.

[muxfolder]

President Sauli Niinistö interviewed on Fox News. Day by day it's getting more and more clearer that we are being prepared for war. It's not that we want to. It's because we have to. We're waiting.

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[muxfolder]

Preparing for war? Yes. But this is like it's been written by Putin himself.
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[Zem]

Seems most like ”karma of the nations” type of situation. Physical world is often about competition, who’s king of the hill. As above, so below: man’s struggle in nation’s form.

(So Putin isn’t likely a NWO agent. Even the name comes from New World = American continent, in old english)

USA has had monopoly over the world (since cold war), and now Russia, and China etc are challenging that.

Ukraine is USA’s honeypot for Russia. Since at least 90’s they have known, that NATO eastward expansion would irritate Russia, no country want its enemies’ military bases near it (remember Cuban missile crisis). And geopolitical strategy of the king of the hill (USA), is try to make (potential) enemies weaker.

(I think NATO expansion is the main reason, there are other things too)


Ukraine region is bit more (or lot?) important to Russia than Finland / Sweden, because there’s more oil pipes and military bases, and geopolitics again: access to middle east, and central europe.




(I can recommend this French think thank analysis. It can be translated to other languages from the right corner. https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/ )





From Zbigniew Brzezinski:

”In this vein, he became one of the foremost advocates of NATO expansion. He wrote in 1998 that "Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire."

”In brief, for the United States, Eurasian geostrategy involves the purposeful management of geostrategically dynamic states and the careful handling of geopolitically catalytic states, in keeping with the twin interests of America in the short-term preservation of its unique global power and in the long-run transformation of it into increasingly institutionalized global cooperation.

To put it in a terminology that hearkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together.”

Sources: Grand chessboard-book and this wikipedia-page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski


Earlier heartland theories may explain it more simply (grand chessboard is just more recent theory in the same vein). If europe and asia would unify, that would just be too terrifying opponent for USA, if any of it’s forthcoming leaders happened to turn against USA in the future. That’s their reasoning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History




Of course that kind of cynical strategy won’t work forever (self-fulfilling prophecy?), if we’re for world peace. Also lots of people from USA are against that strategy


”In an open letter to President Clinton at the end of June 1997, fifty former US senators, cabinet secretaries and ambassadors, as well as US arms control and foreign policy specialist, stated their belief that 'the current US-led effort to expand NATO . .. is a policy error of historic importance'.


NATO Expansion: 'A Policy Error of Historic Importance'

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20097504

[Rawhide68]

Terve!
I didnt know that.
God I'm so happy to learn new things from this forum every day.
I like this down to earth guy explaining importance of boarders. (IN SWEDISH)

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[Wind]

As a Scandinavian I suppose I should comment. This has now caused the fact that Finland is seriously considering to join NATO (https://time.com/6169708/finland-sweden-nato-expansion/) this summer and that might mean that Sweden will follow suit. I have never believed that Russia would pose any threat to Finland and in fact the relationship between our countries was quite cordial at least until recent times. Even without NATO Finland has had good defence forces which have been built to counter the imaginary attack of Russia. Of course we neither couldn't probably survive a full scale war, but it would not be in any way the interest of Russia to do any such thing. That's why I have never seen any reason for joining NATO. I don't like the idea that our country is a plaything between NATO, USA and Russia. There's a saying in Finnish which goes something like this: "Who bows to one bends over to others." All actions will have consequences, some more unfortunate than others. It is unpleasant to see these kind of tensions rising on European soil again. It is also ironic that USA is wagging it's finger now when it has been causing wars and destabilization all over the world, it's like a pot calling the kettle black. The epitome of hypocrisy. Peace is the highest ideal, may it come.

[Bill Ryan]

Noting this just for the record — though personally I don't agree with him. Scott Ritter is adamant that Russia will go to war and destroy Finland if it joins NATO. He makes these comments in this interview, starting in at 13:45.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrMJoRDfRFI

[muxfolder]

Noting this just for the record — though personally I don't agree with him. Scott Ritter is adamant that Russia will go to war and destroy Finland if it joins NATO. He makes these comments in this interview, starting in at 13:45.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrMJoRDfRFI

It really is something to consider. The thing is, we're going to be part of NATO very soon. It's weeks or couple of months now. And we are waiting how the Russians are going to react to all of this. They should react very very soon because this is really going to happen it seems. Personally I think it's going to be us against the Russians like always and no one's coming to save us. That's the tradition, history repeats itself etc.

[Bill Ryan]

This is very interesting from Scott Ritter. It's called an 'interview', but it's really a 48 minute solo presentation. The first 8 minutes are his biography and background. The rest is largely about Russia and Finland.

Earlier in this thread, I posted (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1495439#post1495439) that I didn't think Russia would attack Finland or the Baltic States. I'm now not quite so sure.

With Finland hell-bent on joining NATO (and "hell-bent" might be the appropriate description), all that changes. Look at how close St Petersburg (at the lower right of the map) is to Finland. St Petersburg is Russia's second city after Moscow.

If the US neocons lost their minds (or lost their minds even further!), it'd take a NATO missile based in southern Finland about 60 seconds from launch to wipe out St Petersburg, with zero time to respond.

https://projectavalon.net/Finland_map.jpg

Scott Ritter's strong opinion is that there's no way the Russians will allow this. If this is correct — and it might well be — then Russia would attack Finland before it joins NATO.

One would assume that in order to avoid this, Russia is telling Finland right now that this would happen... so don't do it.

Turkey has also expressed profound doubts, and as a major NATO member itself (where consensus is needed to approve any new membership proposal) Turkey could veto Finland's application. So Russia is certainly talking to Turkey about this as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgf2prUaKR4

[Wind]

I don't claim to know much about military matters even if I like history. One thing I do know however and that is Finland has one one of the strongest armies in Europe. Some of the soldiers have been here in conditions which even US marines (https://www-iltalehti-fi.translate.goog/kotimaa/a/65e5530a-2149-41bd-b509-54760c892dfb?_x_tr_sl=fi&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp) aren't used to. If Putin would choose to attack (which I still can't imagine happening) then that will result in the deaths of tens of thousands of Russians and Finnish people and possibly more. It could further escalate into WW3 and the downfall of Putin and possibly quite fast too, just total madness.

The question is, would he really want that? I am not a fan of NATO and I do find all of this quite sad indeed. There are Finnish people in Russia and Russians in Finland. There's much I could tell about connections and tragedies, but the thing is that we are all (mostly) human and would just wish to live in peace. For what it's worth, our president did call Putin and everything seemed to be fine mostly. I think these are quite perilous times though, the echoes of times just before WW2 are quite strong. There will be no winners in world wars anymore.