Question to ask Ourselves...

[East Sun]

The downside of religion is that we tend to wait and wait
"forever" because of something we were told thousands
of years ago. I'm beginning to think it was part of "their"
strategy. In my case, the Roman Vatican Church.

If we think someone or something is going to save us we
will never take full responsibility for what we need to do
to protect our families and ourselves.

I'm not talking about violence but doing whatever we can
come up with. Maybe some kinds of strategies taken from
our creative minds. If we don't think we can do anything,
we loose. There are always things we will come up with
if we "think."

The problem is that we were not taught to think and make
plans. I am in the same boat so I have to think and think.

The Church I was conditioned into believing was it, is not
"it" anymore, not by a long shot and not for a long time.
So, I must go on to, or back to the beginning of that ism
and reevaluate, with what I have learned in my long life
and "think".

We are all creative in our own way, so please realize that
and see what you can come up with.

E.S.

[JackMcThorn]

For a variety of reasons, and a long path of change in spirituality [changed 4 times, including being a Deist]; I decided on studying ancient witchcraft as a solitaire 6 years ago.

Being a solitaire, I am only responsible to myself for my spirituality. I can study the aspects of witchcraft that pique my interest. I can write my own Book of Shadows. I do not have to answer to a single soul regarding any type of dogma.

I find being a solitaire is quietly comfortable for me and my personality.

[Tyy1907]

The downside of religion is that we tend to wait and wait
"forever" because of something we were told thousands
of years ago. I'm beginning to think it was part of "their"
strategy. In my case, the Roman Vatican Church.

If we think someone or something is going to save us we
will never take full responsibility for what we need to do
to protect our families and ourselves.

I'm not talking about violence but doing whatever we can
come up with. Maybe some kinds of strategies taken from
our creative minds. If we don't think we can do anything,
we loose. There are always things we will come up with
if we "think."

The problem is that we were not taught to think and make
plans. I am in the same boat so I have to think and think.

The Church I was conditioned into believing was it, is not
"it" anymore, not by a long shot and not for a long time.
So, I must go on to, or back to the beginning of that ism
and reevaluate, with what I have learned in my long life
and "think".

We are all creative in our own way, so please realize that
and see what you can come up with.

E.S.

For the last say 20 years I've researched the weird and wonderful. Always having a natural fascination with the unconventional and yearning to find out what's hidden. My approach to research has always been to look at nearly all sources and look at what they say as simply information. It's all information and then it was What does this information do for me. How do I feel when I read it. Does it beckon me to probe further or do I stop and move on.

My Dad instilled in me Christianity and it's beliefs which was a good starting point. Some of it resonated deeply and some of it made no sense to me. I never understood how Jesus died for everyone's sins. I would ask and ask and the answers didn't soak in. The message of love was what resonated, everything else was confusing.

You remind me of myself East Sun, objectively searching for the truth. No we're not taught many things. Imagine if from birth we were told that Love is the only currency that stands for all of time and why and how it's the most powerful force. And that "sinner" or not we're a part of the Divine and are thought of so highly and loved unconditionally.

I need almost constant connection to the Divine. It gets me through the day. Everything else has failed me. I found a sense of purpose again when I read channelings in
Getwisdom.com finding out the most effective ways to pray and how prayer actually works. This is what worked for me I'm not endorsing or pushing anything on anyone. Ty

[East Sun]

Thank you Tyy1907

I do not believe that stuff about dying for our sins, what sins is what I'd like to know.
Most of us are just natural humans being human like.

Of course there are evil entities mostly posing as humans, in my opinion.
We even have a good idea who they are.
Religion tried to steer us into doing the right thing but then got sidetracked
and went to the other side in so many ways.

It's a good thing that in this time right here we are waking up in ways
that came too late. But either there is reincarnation where we will go on
to a totally different experience or who knows what. The truth is we
don't know and we never did know. It may all have been wishfull
thinking.

Look at all the beliefs of different peoples all believing that they have the truth.
All are right or all are wrong.
We have been pitted against each other in every way possible by the
Controllers, to give them a a name.

When evil takes over it separates the sheep from the goats, so to speak.

[Bubu]

the wingmakers materials talk of concepts opposite that of religions. I have read this countless times. I am slow in english, but each time I read this it becomes more interesting. Like I am seeing the truth litle fragments at a time. religion is a scam. It makes people ovedient, guilty and docile. It controls rather than lebirate
https://wingmakersblogeng.blogspot.com/p/the-philosophy-of-wingmakers.html

[East Sun]

Thank you Bubu

I agree. Maybe all this had to happen so that we would wake from
our slumber and take the blinders off, which is happening every day.

Blinders are put on horses so they can not see what's around them.
So, then they can be controlled--what they don't see does not
concern them.

We are still under the effects of prescription "DRUGS" forced on us by Big PHARMA and in other ways also.

I make a great distinction between religion and GOD.
Now they are two totally different things.

[palehorse]

Thank you Bubu

I agree. Maybe all this had to happen so that we would wake from
our slumber and take the blinders off, which is happening every day.

Blinders are put on horses so they can not see what's around them.
So, then they can be controlled--what they don't see does not
concern them.

We are still under the effects of prescription "DRUGS" forced on us by Big PHARMA and in other ways also.

I make a great distinction between religion and GOD.
Now they are two totally different things.


This pale horse here lost its blinders :)
It is always been about control, if you go back in prehistory, you still see it is all about control, even when it was all small community pockets spread around, somehow someone thought that he could control others for their own benefit (pure ego).

In my humble opinion the ones with better insight intuition are the ones who naturally should guide the others not control others, giving energy instead of taking it, this create a cycle and everybody grows together, there is understanding knowledge and not ignorance, there is no leadership.

Massive source of data here: https://the-eye.eu/public/Books/Bibliotheca%20Alexandrina/

[Bubu]

Thank you Bubu

I agree. Maybe all this had to happen so that we would wake from
our slumber and take the blinders off, which is happening every day.

Blinders are put on horses so they can not see what's around them.
So, then they can be controlled--what they don't see does not
concern them.

We are still under the effects of prescription "DRUGS" forced on us by Big PHARMA and in other ways also.

I make a great distinction between religion and GOD.
Now they are two totally different things.

Not sure if that's the exact reason. But I do believe that everything is as it should be. Some people/ lizards are doing harm to human family. Thats okey and as it should be. I am trying to stop them. that's also fine. When we become accepting of "what is" then we are rid of negative emotions. We do things in a positive vibes.

As for god and religion I think religion is the scam and god is the main character in the scam. We are simply conditioned to believe that god is the most powerful; that god created everything. I dont think thats the case. God is simply an invention of the scammer. just like religion. The creator is simply just that. "the creator" as part of that creator "first source" as termed in the wingmakers materials, we are also creators in our levels. Well anyway its just my belief, just another persfective that can be comtemplated by those who have the time to imagine.

[East Sun]

palehorse

You're right about intuitive people being the best ones to guide, which is not
what we have had in the past 50 years. Crooks and a pervert or two, more like.

Thanks for the Books recomendation.

[Spiral]

The downside of religion is that we tend to wait and wait
"forever" because of something we were told thousands
of years ago. I'm beginning to think it was part of "their"
strategy. In my case, the Roman Vatican Church.

If we think someone or something is going to save us we
will never take full responsibility for what we need to do
to protect our families and ourselves.

I'm not talking about violence but doing whatever we can
come up with. Maybe some kinds of strategies taken from
our creative minds. If we don't think we can do anything,
we loose. There are always things we will come up with
if we "think."

The problem is that we were not taught to think and make
plans. I am in the same boat so I have to think and think.

The Church I was conditioned into believing was it, is not
"it" anymore, not by a long shot and not for a long time.
So, I must go on to, or back to the beginning of that ism
and reevaluate, with what I have learned in my long life
and "think".

We are all creative in our own way, so please realize that
and see what you can come up with.

E.S.

I find this a strange take on Catholicism, it has always had learning & questioning at it's core, after all it invented science, that said the hierarchy is now utterly corrupt & anti Christian.

That's not just my opinion or a conspiracy theory, it's what most active Catholics who understand what they are there for think too, starting with Archbishop Vigano.

The current creature occupying the office of Pope is closing & shutting down the most spiritual aspects of the Church, such as contemplative orders & trying to end the Latin Mass once & for all.

The Latin Masses that are still going on are being carried out by hard core spiritual Catholics, in knowing & open resistance to the Vatican, there is a spiritual war going on.

When they say Christ died for your sins, it's to open up salvation to the repentant, something that wasn't previously possible under the laws that were in effect prior to Christs passion, everything Christ did was in relation to the old testament.

Longer explanation, https://www.ihcc.org/Resources/Articles/christ-died-for-our-sins-according-to-the-scriptures

This is why Christianity isn't the same as paganism, or any other belief system, because God incarnated & shed his own blood & life for humanity, it's probably the most profound & interesting aspect of Christianity.

If you think the Church is about conditioning maybe its time to look again at it with fresh eyes, the are are some amazing podcasts & videos now going into profound depth about the spiritual fullness of the faith eg https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits

[Tyy1907]

The downside of religion is that we tend to wait and wait
"forever" because of something we were told thousands
of years ago. I'm beginning to think it was part of "their"
strategy. In my case, the Roman Vatican Church.

If we think someone or something is going to save us we
will never take full responsibility for what we need to do
to protect our families and ourselves.

I'm not talking about violence but doing whatever we can
come up with. Maybe some kinds of strategies taken from
our creative minds. If we don't think we can do anything,
we loose. There are always things we will come up with
if we "think."

The problem is that we were not taught to think and make
plans. I am in the same boat so I have to think and think.

The Church I was conditioned into believing was it, is not
"it" anymore, not by a long shot and not for a long time.
So, I must go on to, or back to the beginning of that ism
and reevaluate, with what I have learned in my long life
and "think".

We are all creative in our own way, so please realize that
and see what you can come up with.

E.S.

I find this a strange take on Catholicism, it has always had learning & questioning at it's core, after all it invented science, that said the hierarchy is now utterly corrupt & anti Christian.

That's not just my opinion or a conspiracy theory, it's what most active Catholics who understand what they are there for think too, starting with Archbishop Vigano.

The current creature occupying the office of Pope is closing & shutting down the most spiritual aspects of the Church, such as contemplative orders & trying to end the Latin Mass once & for all.

The Latin Masses that are still going on are being carried out by hard core spiritual Catholics, in knowing & open resistance to the Vatican, there is a spiritual war going on.

When they say Christ died for your sins, it's to open up salvation to the repentant, something that wasn't previously possible under the laws that were in effect prior to Christs passion, everything Christ did was in relation to the old testament.

Longer explanation, https://www.ihcc.org/Resources/Articles/christ-died-for-our-sins-according-to-the-scriptures

This is why Christianity isn't the same as paganism, or any other belief system, because God incarnated & shed his own blood & life for humanity, it's probably the most profound & interesting aspect of Christianity.

If you think the Church is about conditioning maybe its time to look again at it with fresh eyes, the are are some amazing podcasts & videos now going into profound depth about the spiritual fullness of the faith eg https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits

At the end of the day the good outweighs the bad with respect to Christianity IMO. It instills positive values of love and not being a jerk. Which is wise cause being a jerk comes back to the individual and sometimes in an amplified way.

Much of the doctrine of Christianity turned me off but that's who I am. It was the core message that I needed.

[Tyy1907]

Thank you Bubu

I agree. Maybe all this had to happen so that we would wake from
our slumber and take the blinders off, which is happening every day.

Blinders are put on horses so they can not see what's around them.
So, then they can be controlled--what they don't see does not
concern them.

We are still under the effects of prescription "DRUGS" forced on us by Big PHARMA and in other ways also.

I make a great distinction between religion and GOD.
Now they are two totally different things.

Not sure if that's the exact reason. But I do believe that everything is as it should be. Some people/ lizards are doing harm to human family. Thats okey and as it should be. I am trying to stop them. that's also fine. When we become accepting of "what is" then we are rid of negative emotions. We do things in a positive vibes.

As for god and religion I think religion is the scam and god is the main character in the scam. We are simply conditioned to believe that god is the most powerful; that god created everything. I dont think thats the case. God is simply an invention of the scammer. just like religion. The creator is simply just that. "the creator" as part of that creator "first source" as termed in the wingmakers materials, we are also creators in our levels. Well anyway its just my belief, just another persfective that can be comtemplated by those who have the time to imagine.

I totally agree with you, that we are creators in our own right. You seem to inherently know this better than some. This is why all are needed. To bring all the ingredients to the table. :)

[East Sun]

Thank you Spiral

I can see you are well versed in Catholicism, as I have been but not practicing
any rituals and few prayers the Lords Prayer.

To me the current Pope is a Jesuit which, if you know about them
is not good. That means he is not a true Pope.

Seeing that all things change all the time I accept that it was
inevitable that this too would change, even if it has had a long run.

This may be the last Pope, or the last one was.