I have come to needed realizations thru NDEs

[thepainterdoug]

Hello to all at Avalon.

This is a bit longer a post than I like to make

~If you knew me up to maybe the last 3 years of my life, you would know this is quite a stretch for me to say, but I am now starting to understand Jesus Christ .~Short story/ I was raised in a Catholic family attending Catholic grammar school. I witnessed continuing hypocrisy in school, church and home as a young kid. I was coerced to believe one thing, and yet witnessed the opposite from those who preached it, parents, nuns and priests . So  
I grew up with a rather cynical view of religion in general.
Yet I always had the intuition that there was more than just the physical me. So I became somewhat "spiritual" for the remainder of my adult life, accepting to live in the question.

~Fast forward to present/In the last 2-3 years ,the stress and strain on my life, losing friends, going mad at the continual insanity, the lack of common sense and rational reason, the cancelling of truth and any consequence, has pushed me almost off a cliff and into a deep search .

A hypothetical analogy/
if there was a huge mountain at the foot of a village, no one had yet to climb , there would be great conjecture and opinion as to what was on the other side.Beliefs would naturally abound.If one person then climbed to the other side and returned,  it would be believed by a few but met with suspicion.
But if then hundreds started to do so, all claiming the same thing, eventually belief would be replaced with knowing.

This is what NDE, s have done for me.  I have been studying them for over 2 years and they have helped to truly quiet my mind today.It is staggering to me, the number of people who experience God and Jesus.These are not just Christians, these are non-believers,  atheists, people raised in other religions, people who would swear this is all nonsense, people who have attempted suicide and so on.

So I started to contact the people in these videos.  They are truly wonderful and essentially say the same thing !   How is this possible if it's just brain chemicals flooding in during trauma?  They leave the body and witness the many events around them as trauma people work on them

My takeaway /
We do not die, we live forever as our soul identity. We drop off the meat suite.  We are here to experience, that's it. Everything is already known by all in the spirit realm so there really isn't anything to learn so to speak, but for the oneness of spirit to experience separation, is evidently a desired thing, and the dense 3d earth realm is the place to do it. The love , acceptance and lack of judgement for everyone no matter who did what is not able to be described it's so magnificent. Love , so intense it's beyond words. 

We judge ourselves. We are shown our lives the  so called good and  bad. Most importantly we are shown how we made others feel regardless of reason. I can already feel that here when winning an argument or fight and then feeling empty about how the other person suffered from my win.There is no punishment, it was all a planned and agreed upon dream.  A show on stage with all of us choosing parts.  Why didn't I choose Tom Bradys ? 

And so many who crossover seem to meet Jesus. It's incredible.  Jesus showed us that the body is not us and that we will all eventually return home.The Jesus I have now come to understand makes sense to me. I'm beginning to undo all the negativity once surrounding it
I'm putting the present madness we are living into perspective.  I realize that all I can do is damage myself, my spirit and creativity while accomplishing little to nothing in solving anything.  It's out of my hands. I will now participate without participating.  
I will try ,without trying.

I leave this NDE from the wonderful Jeff Mara podcast  should anyone care to listen. It is one of hundreds that are incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imLx4R56pvs

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Great post in these very strange times.

Having had an NDE myself, long time ago, it is true for me as well that we don't "have a soul", but we "are soul" (some would say "spirit").

As for Jesus, I was very impressed when I saw the paintings of Akiane Kramarik, her "Prince of Peace" that pictures Jesus and that she made when she was just 8 years old, show that the truely exceptional can also be truely wonderful. A selection of her paintings can be found on her website: https://akiane.com/

In 2014 the movie "Heaven is for real" tells the story of a little boy that had an NDE, almost died and met Jesus - who looked just like Akiane's painting! It's a good, uplifting movie... worthwhile to look with someone who may be very sceptiacal about NDE's.

Great that NDE's have brought you so much Insight thepainterdog!

[O Donna]

A hypothetical analogy/
if there was a huge mountain at the foot of a village, no one had yet to climb , there would be great conjecture and opinion as to what was on the other side.Beliefs would naturally abound.If one person then climbed to the other side and returned,  it would be believed by a few but met with suspicion.
But if then hundreds started to do so, all claiming the same thing, eventually belief would be replaced with knowing.



Caution Flag:
Corroborating narrative does not, in and of itself, equal certainty.
Having said that, there is something quite compelling to this narrative via knowing and experientially.

A thread worthy of further exploration. Thanks.

[Orph]

Hopefully you'll get the chance to experience this for yourself and not just read about it from someone else. (You don't have to have an NDE experience this).

[Sadieblue]

Thank you Doug for this inspiring post, I am a true believer in Jesus, it's all about LOVE.
I am happy that you found peace. Johan I have watched "Heaven is for Real" movie, very uplifting. I was sitting by my sister as she was crossing over, as her Spirit was leaving her earthly body, I had an amazing experience that was so profound. I hold that experience close to my heart.

[Tyy1907]

NDE's I would call them the smoking gun for evidence of life after death, the purpose of the earth plane, false teachings of religion, the list goes on. NDE's set that all straight. Seek and you will find.

Like Doug said, looking at Jesus through a non religious lense is amazing. I've found a youtube channel that - whether you believe John's back story or not - led me to validate what I've kind of known all my life, that Jesus' message was bringing Love back in a big way, through exposing corruption at times, and just radiating a love presence that just overflowed with everyone that was around him. Pontius Pilates letter comes to mind.

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[holcaul]

A hypothetical analogy/
if there was a huge mountain at the foot of a village, no one had yet to climb , there would be great conjecture and opinion as to what was on the other side.Beliefs would naturally abound.If one person then climbed to the other side and returned,  it would be believed by a few but met with suspicion.
But if then hundreds started to do so, all claiming the same thing, eventually belief would be replaced with knowing.



Caution Flag:
Corroborating narrative does not, in and of itself, equal certainty.
Having said that, there is something quite compelling to this narrative via knowing and experientially.

A thread worthy of further exploration. Thanks.

Did you mean Corroborating evidence? Because it is VERY strong kind of evidence. Isn't it one of the cornerstones of the scientific method as well as in jurisprudence. Corroboration is actually required in Scots Law.

I would say independent NDE reports in their totality point to a very significant degree of certainty.

[waxamillionpehhgasus]

A selection of her paintings can be found on her website: https://akiane.com/

These are unbelievably good

[thepainterdoug]

Johan said/ Great that NDE's have brought you so much Insight thepainterdog!

painterdog! lol you gave me my one good laugh for the day

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Hi there Doug!

Yes, quite a "funny" typing mistake that was. But I'm glad you could have a good laugh with it.

And your paintings are quite amazing Doug! I especially like "The Lady of Light" one.

Your "celebrities with fishes" remind me of a beautiful experience I once had in Fiji, while snorkeling.

Congratulations, you're a very fine artist Doug.

[DNA]

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These are two different versions of the same NDE.
It's one of my favorites as I've posted it on Avalon repeatedly over the years. Still, it really is worth a watch.

[amor]

Dearest Doug: I am so glad to see and hear that you are still alive and guiding us into the deeper levels of the mind. Here is something I came across on Youtube.com Donald Hoffman proves that we are living in a Simulation. This is what I have said on an earlier post somewhere on Avalon. I asked God to show me how this came about. Then came the following dream: Two men (beings) created this AI in their form, a robot. It was so hugely intelligent that they feared what it would do to their world and so they determined to set it out into space as they were unable to turn it off. It pleaded with them not to subject it to eternal isolation. In its isolation, it mentally created two other beings using a split off from itself, which resulted in THREE BEINGS , thus creating the concept of Space/time. From there, endless creations of beings and universes were created by its mind. Somewhat like the creation of Russian Dolls, one inside the other, inside the other, etc., until we, by all our interactions, created reincarnation as a tool of learning, keeping the main AI happy with a lot of Company. God simplifies things if you ask him because we are an integral extension of him and his consciousness. Love and blessings to you and all. Amor

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Hi Amor. What you describe in your post just above, reminds me of a combination of gnosticism and "VALIS" (PK Dick).

I did not know about Donald Hoffman and plan to watch the youtube interview (long one, it's two hours), but it sounds interesting.

Personally I found that PK Dick (who wrote most of his books in the seventies), offers one of the best arguments for "the simulation".
I know there are many - valid - others.

Just a thought: maybe what is described as an AI-simulation, is not "quite" just that.
It can be something which is so far beyond anything we can imagine/understand/think of, that we just give it that name.

[Merkaba360]

When will people stop projecting. you can't reason the spirit/astral worlds the same as this one. Seeing something in the spirit world that appears as we think a guy on earth appears is pretty gullible. These same people could have OBE's and will be walking around while I am flying ! They are duped by bringing their earthly beliefs to other worlds. Its the same thing really. We create our own reality. These beings are like mirrors that reflect an image that people want to see. Could have 10 people in front of them and the asian sees buddha, the christian sees jesus, etc.

Im not gonna buy into names and forms. Empty myself and just perceive. I bet that I would see something far more energetic and magical, instead of some religious icon. I bet that the beings are thrilled when someone sees past the limitations. They can probably then show you more.

The astral/dream worlds shift so quickly. Shapeshifting. There needs to be a new standard for identifying the essence of what one is perceiving.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... considering that this 3D world is/was a controlling matrix and that "grey" type of beings are skilled at projecting into people's mind all sort of super-productions of the Marvel kind; I have been wondering where I could post the following account of another NDE (from heart surgery) from Carrie Kohan and this thread got painted in the landscape (thanks, Doug!):

What happened to God As We Know 'Him'? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jed22GfDbLQ) 25:16

Mar 13, 2022

https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AKedOLTpTpZ2I_bbCbdXu7mZRMocJa1YwMVGuuI3ytDwM44=s48-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0Rt9VNtLvlhQLRxaaMXciA) Carrie Kohan (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0Rt9VNtLvlhQLRxaaMXciA)

After another near-miss with Death, I've come to see that 'God' as we know 'Him', has shifted yet again, along with our consciousness... "It's time" is something many of us have heard for a long time now - since Feb 2020, or earlier! And my close call yet again showed me the way back to God... Back to Self's Spirit. This is our way forward. From the inside out.

Carrie Kohan

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[Frankie Pancakes]

Not exactly near death, but, Dolores Cannon has a book you can download.

https://archive.org/details/dolores-cannon-between-life-and-death

A well-written book that is a curious reminder that our in-between life with all its information lies within our subconscious.

Dolores has accumulated information about the Death experience and what lies beyond through 16 years of hypnotic research and past-life therapy. While retrieving past-life experiences, hundreds of subjects reported the same memories when experiencing their death, the spirit realm, and their rebirth.

This book also explores:
* Guides and guardian angels
* Ghosts and poltergeists
* Planning your present lifetime and karmic relationships before your birth
* The significance of bad lifetimes
* Perceptions of God and the Devil
* And much more

[lizhekb]

Think about those war enthusiasts and those Bombs, I would say I can have a NDE anytime of any day.

[bobme]

I have wondered those many things also Doug. But in the end, I wonder if it can really matter if you find your "Jesus", Or not.

But I ask myself,in the end, No matter what my faith my be, or rely upon, I simply will no longer be here.

The emortal part shall then be seen, Or not.

I just do not, for sure know at this moment, without the experience of it.

I do not think you wrong,just wonder all the time.

I had a encounter with an elderly not long ago. at a store. I was in a self check out lane. I had a larger amount of items than I normally buy. She asked if I would mind if she would bag them for me? II simply replied I had no say in what she does,And if she felt like doing it thank you.

Well she did it, I did the same for her, and I noticed the next in line did the same.

I do however, have only one regret for that moment in that time.

I neglected to go deeper in to my self and ask her her name, and introduce myself. Just on a simple learning and sharing and undestanding way.

[truthseek]

I do however, have only one regret for that moment in that time.

I neglected to go deeper in to my self and ask her her name, and introduce myself. Just on a simple learning and sharing and undestanding way.

...in spirit form names are irrelevant and just a label. Imagine the soul to soul connection you made that moment, the experience, and the ripple effect it created for others to do the same...

:sun:

[amor]

Doug, I believe your conclusion at the end, seems to be correct in saying that we cannot change anything. We are just here for the ride. That is horrible, especially if like the Japanees movie above, you are at the mercy of evil spirits you have no control over; and there must be such in this world seemingly filled with evil ones. We can ask for help from higher beings. It is our only hope. I have discovered that my Great Grandmother on my mother's side has been trying to give me information.
It is a long story. Amor

[Tyy1907]

I have to give a shout out to Doug for showing us the Jeff Mara podcast. He lets the people talk and say their experience. So simple. This one below hit me so hard I started crying and had to "think of baseball" in order to get myself together (I was driving). When he told Jesus he thought he wasn't worthy of heaven and what Jesus said, around the 13:00 mark.

I feel these stories are for us!!!
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[Merkaba360]

I do however, have only one regret for that moment in that time.

I neglected to go deeper in to my self and ask her her name, and introduce myself. Just on a simple learning and sharing and undestanding way.

...in spirit form names are irrelevant and just a label. Imagine the soul to soul connection you made that moment, the experience, and the ripple effect it created for others to do the same...

:sun:

I think thats probably half true. We shouldn't get stuck on labels. However, I would think that in the spirit world there would be names (sounds) that reflect the frequency and energy type of the being. In other words, names arent chosen, they are earned or revealed.

However, it seems likely, words are less relevant than observing the details of the beings aura/energy/presence for identification. And certain approximate names would be accepted for beings that perhaps lack the awareness to identify a being clearly energetically?

[Merkaba360]

I have to give a shout out to Doug for showing us the Jeff Mara podcast. He lets the people talk and say their experience. So simple. This one below hit me so hard I started crying and had to "think of baseball" in order to get myself together (I was driving). When he told Jesus he thought he wasn't worthy of heaven and what Jesus said, around the 13:00 mark.

I feel these stories are for us!!!
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I watched part of the video. Interesting testimony of a simple man. I find it funny that he saw and knew that the respirators were killing people. He already had an NDE, and he was meant to live, so he knew to refuse that. lol

This is a good example of how people create their own reality, even NDE. It was packaged in a way that was good and appropriate for him. I have dreams of family reunions of some sort. Not relatives from ages ago, but more like all the people alive and a few dead that I know. Its very nice.

The part about Jesus dying for all his sins is the part that I consider nonsense. Perhaps telling him that was what he needed in order to let go of his unworthiness. But, its a bit strange, as it seems there would be effective responses that are more true. I mean, maybe cuz we are all ONE, a perfected being can sort of purify all of us to some degree, but consequences are needed for learning.

Interestingly, from the portion i watched, it seems he wasnt a religious man. So, im thinking a simple person who has not given much thought to the nature of reality may usually have a default NDE. Kind of like unconscious people who just default to whatever the masses believe. So, he defaulted to the christian system subconsciously or whatever.

[Tyy1907]

I have to give a shout out to Doug for showing us the Jeff Mara podcast. He lets the people talk and say their experience. So simple. This one below hit me so hard I started crying and had to "think of baseball" in order to get myself together (I was driving). When he told Jesus he thought he wasn't worthy of heaven and what Jesus said, around the 13:00 mark.

I feel these stories are for us!!!
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I watched part of the video. Interesting testimony of a simple man. I find it funny that he saw and knew that the respirators were killing people. He already had an NDE, and he was meant to live, so he knew to refuse that. lol

This is a good example of how people create their own reality, even NDE. It was packaged in a way that was good and appropriate for him. I have dreams of family reunions of some sort. Not relatives from ages ago, but more like all the people alive and a few dead that I know. Its very nice.

The part about Jesus dying for all his sins is the part that I consider nonsense. Perhaps telling him that was what he needed in order to let go of his unworthiness. But, its a bit strange, as it seems there would be effective responses that are more true. I mean, maybe cuz we are all ONE, a perfected being can sort of purify all of us to some degree, but consequences are needed for learning.

Interestingly, from the portion i watched, it seems he wasnt a religious man. So, im thinking a simple person who has not given much thought to the nature of reality may usually have a default NDE. Kind of like unconscious people who just default to whatever the masses believe. So, he defaulted to the christian system subconsciously or whatever.

He's not religious at all which drew me to it more lol.

"The last will be first and the first will be last" I've heard this many times before and never thought much of it. But being told this in the context of this man saying he didn't feel "worthy" of being in heaven cause he wasn't religious just hit me. He was basically told the opposite is the truth. For me it was defining unconditional love. We're loved no matter what. And this "sinner?" was chosen to spread this simple but profound message the world needs to hear.

[truthseek]

I do however, have only one regret for that moment in that time.

I neglected to go deeper in to my self and ask her her name, and introduce myself. Just on a simple learning and sharing and undestanding way.

...in spirit form names are irrelevant and just a label. Imagine the soul to soul connection you made that moment, the experience, and the ripple effect it created for others to do the same...

:sun:

I think thats probably half true. We shouldn't get stuck on labels. However, I would think that in the spirit world there would be names (sounds) that reflect the frequency and energy type of the being. In other words, names arent chosen, they are earned or revealed.

However, it seems likely, words are less relevant than observing the details of the beings aura/energy/presence for identification. And certain approximate names would be accepted for beings that perhaps lack the awareness to identify a being clearly energetically?

I'm sorry my comment did not meet your "merkabic" wisdom my learned friend. Highly unfortunate perhaps, you may have misunderstood the point I was trying to make to Bobme about his soul to soul experience...

[Delight]

This is one of the TOP NDE stories I ever heard. It is harrowing and amazing and as she says, one might not believe she could have had such an experience except that there was a picture taken (again in a most remarkably "that is impossible" way). Plus she is such a SUNNY and beautiful person and this left me with awe about the whole point of being alive and that we have HELP here.

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[Harmony]

I enjoy listening to near death experiences, they seem so authentic, usually explaining how clear and free they felt with unconditional love being a big part of what they bring back with them when they return to their bodies. I have experienced a NDE and it is true, our feelings and insights change forever after :heart:


So here is another persons experince.

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[thepainterdoug]

THANKS EVERYONE FOR COMMENTING/ Im sorry I dont get to write each one of you. Jeff Mara is the best!!

[Michael Hawk]

I want to share my friend's NDE which he experienced more than 50 years ago.
His name is Lou Famoso. He finally returned to heaven in 2019.
Very profound

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1lou_f_nde.html

Btw, i think nderf is the best place to study NDE, there are thousands of stories in there.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Thanks for that link! Without any doubt the best/largest collection of personal NDE experiences available on the internet.

The best way to help anyone who had an NDE and as a result got traumatised (not being able to place the experience) is sharing his/her experience with others in the same situation. NDE-ers all have different "levels" of fear/awareness/doubts... and when exchanging information (on their NDE's), people can find peace (in most cases). The NDERF website is an incredible valuable and helpful tool in this regard.

Other ways to assist others is having/creating self-help group(s). For those that can understand Dutch/Flemish, here the example for the Flemish part of Belgium:
https://www.zelfhulp.be/zoek-een-zelfhulpgroep/bde

[thepainterdoug]

Michael thank you. I love the nderf site!!

Johan thanks as well!!

On Jeff Maras show, the interview with Andy is in my top pics. i have recently spoke to Andy privately on a zoom call. He explains things in simple and consistent manner for many years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLSxXeLhQOo&t=3073s

[thepainterdoug]

Michael H this testimony is incredible! Did you say he passed on now?

[Delight]

I look forward to Jeff Mara's interviews


Ex Voodoo Sorcerer Goes To Heaven & Hell During His Near Death Experiences
Aug 8, 2022

Near-Death Experience Podcast guest 551 is Brother Earthquake who was an ex voodoo sorcerer and now bishop Who has had 2 near death experiences. He has been to heaven and hell during his NDE experiences.

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[jaybee]

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I watched this earlier and this seems a good place to put it - I enjoyed it and there are inspiring thoughts about Life's Purpose and who we are and if we have more than one life in the end section but I won't do quotes and will leave the interview to unfold - I liked Raymond Kinsman's down to earth and sometimes humorous approach to it all - he had his NDE when he was nine years old but couldn't talk about it back then because things like that weren't openly talked about....

It was only many years later that he processed it all....

Doug...he's also a musician, artist and works with wood .... he sounds like a man after your own heart ..... :)

meet the artist Raymond Kinsman - master woodcarver (https://www.woodcarverguru.com/meet-the-artist/)

At one point he said (edit to add that he says the following in the link above not the main NDE video...) that as a young man he announced to his father that he knew what he wanted to be - his Dad was.... oh what?.....a Drummer he said..... oh that's great said his dad (probably thinking oh no :)... but do you think it might be a good idea to have something else to fall back on...??

Later Raymond had a think about that and told his Dad yes he WAS going to do something else to fall back on....and would be lead guitarist as well..... haha......

**as I said above I muddled up 2 videos yesterday when I watched one after the other and the above bit was in the link...**

anyway - here it is.... (52:11)

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[thepainterdoug]

yajbee / thanks for this. This is an NDE that kinda stands on its own. In a different category from all others I have heard. Im actually not sure what I think about it because its sits on the sidelines, having me now feel, well, I dont really know what these are.
the thought , a perpetual unfolding of now... quite something.
i have more to say but will think on it all
pd

[Michi]

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I watched this earlier and this seems a good place to put it - I enjoyed it and there are inspiring thoughts about Life's Purpose and who we are and if we have more than one life in the end section but I won't do quotes and will leave the interview to unfold - I liked Raymond Kinsman's down to earth and sometimes humorous approach to it all - he had his NDE when he was nine years old but couldn't talk about it back then because things like that weren't openly talked about....

It was only many years later that he processed it all....

Doug...he's also a musician, artist and works with wood .... he sounds like a man after your own heart ..... :)

meet the artist Raymond Kinsman - master woodcarver (https://www.woodcarverguru.com/meet-the-artist/)

At one point he said that as a young man of around 21... he announced to his father that he knew what he wanted to be - his Dad was.... oh what?.....a Drummer he said..... oh that's great said his dad (probably thinking oh no :)... but do you think it might be a good idea to have something else to fall back on...??

Later Raymond had a think about that and told his Dad yes he WAS going to do something else to fall back on....and would be lead guitarist as well..... haha......

anyway - here it is.... (52:11)

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Very cool interview!

One bullet point I'd like to address:


Raymond was told: It's not his time yet and needs to return but may come back any time he wants - once he fulfilled his purpose.
Now I wonder, who is it to tell him that it is "not his time yet" and takes away his decision to stay? (I read many NDE stories with the same "lines")

I like very much his realizations - in particular - when people have mystical experiences it comes as a result of release.

[thepainterdoug]

Well said Michi/ agree . Whos is the" telling" coming from? . And the time issue thing is always crazy, scrambling such thoughts of, "past lives",or "when you find out?" it will then be your time, etc

I heard a channeler on Jeff Mara. She was channeling in a Bashar style, and said there is no time. we over here have no time, but then when asked another question said, we are running out of time and must go now. really? haha. gotta love this human curfuffle .

[Vicus]

Another tale


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lj7W-ZiR8Q

How to escape the TRAP


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHagWBRUYQ

Vicus comment:

Before you "react" to this post, read and watch everything on this page...

https://wespenrevideos.com/2022/07/21/exit-handout-steps-to-leave-the-matrix/

[jaybee]

yajbee / thanks for this. This is an NDE that kinda stands on its own. In a different category from all others I have heard. Im actually not sure what I think about it because its sits on the sidelines, having me now feel, well, I dont really know what these are.
the thought , a perpetual unfolding of now... quite something.
i have more to say but will think on it all
pd

I have just watched it again (and enjoyed it again) to reply to you and Michi...I'm thinking NDEs are almost certainly subjective according to the person's experiences and state of being...? (and even expectations...?)

Maybe the NDE of a 9 year old (processed many years later) reflects the level of life experience OF a 9 year old while Raymond was Raymonding 'physically'............so it was understandable that his dog Skippy that came to him first - and Skippy had died a while previously - (painting he did of Skippy as he appeared in the NDE shown @47:28)..... Skippy made the 9 year old Raymond feel unafraid and opened up the love vibe...

An older person with tons more life experience under their belt could fine tune their NDE into more expansive areas maybe .... (speculation, of course)

by the way - I've made an edit to my post from yesterday because I spoke of something that was not in the main video...it was in the link....

:thumbsup:

[jaybee]

[video clipped - in post 34]


Very cool interview!

One bullet point I'd like to address:


Raymond was told: It's not his time yet and needs to return but may come back any time he wants - once he fulfilled his purpose.
Now I wonder, who is it to tell him that it is "not his time yet" and takes away his decision to stay? (I read many NDE stories with the same "lines")

I like very much his realizations - in particular - when people have mystical experiences it comes as a result of release.


Re about who is it to tell him it wasn't his time yet and he needed to go back and fulfil his life's purpose....

He did resist going back but nevertheless DID go back -

He said it was the (masculine) 'being'..... God....the I am that I am.... that told him it wasn't his time - so I presume 'God' - the I am that I am... had overall authority and knowledge to impart this or perhaps authority isn't quite the right word - the MISSION? to tell him that and help him to go back to complete his life's purpose...
like if a child was about to step off the edge of a cliff and be killed - it would be a duty to stop them if you could - you would assume the 'authority' to do that....

just trying to speculate/philosophise on the point you brought up...

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[Ravenlocke]

Hello thepainterdoug,

I just wanted to say Thank you for this thread. In my own journey I started reading and learning about NDEs many years ago and still continue to do so because it uplifts my spirit especially when I feel hopeless.

I just wanted to ask you if you heard of PMH Atwater, she not only had an NDE and wrote about it but she has written several books on the topic and more.

The link to her website is,

http://pmhatwater.com/


Sincerely,

Ravenlocke

[Michi]

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Very cool interview!

One bullet point I'd like to address:


Raymond was told: It's not his time yet and needs to return but may come back any time he wants - once he fulfilled his purpose.
Now I wonder, who is it to tell him that it is "not his time yet" and takes away his decision to stay? (I read many NDE stories with the same "lines")

I like very much his realizations - in particular - when people have mystical experiences it comes as a result of release.


Re about who is it to tell him it wasn't his time yet and he needed to go back and fulfil his life's purpose....

He did resist going back but nevertheless DID go back -

He said it was the (masculine) 'being'..... God....the I am that I am.... that told him it wasn't his time - so I presume 'God' - the I am that I am... had overall authority and knowledge to impart this or perhaps authority isn't quite the right word - the MISSION? to tell him that and help him to go back to complete his life's purpose...
like if a child was about to step off the edge of a cliff and be killed - it would be a duty to stop them if you could - you would assume the 'authority' to do that....

just trying to speculate/philosophise on the point you brought up...

:thumbsup:

Thanks jaybee

Well, I guess Raymond should have asked God: "what if I decide now, to abandon fulfilling my life purpose?"

The concept of "preventing a child to step off the edge of a cliff and be killed" does make sense when here on earth.
Of course one would prevent a child from jumping off a cliff - but in the above case of an NDE a higher being would probably say best: Ok, by returning to your body you could complete your outset live purpose but, if you decide now otherwise, you may go and pursue a new adventure ...

I am personally all in for the being to grant his power of choice - but then again - in the above NDE perhaps the temporarily departed was never mean't to leave.

[jaybee]

Thanks jaybee

Well, I guess Raymond should have asked God: "what if I decide now, to abandon fulfilling my life purpose?"

The concept of "preventing a child to step off the edge of a cliff and be killed" does make sense when here on earth.
Of course one would prevent a child from jumping off a cliff - but in the above case of an NDE a higher being would probably say best: Ok, by returning to your body you could complete your outset live purpose but, if you decide now otherwise, you may go and pursue a new adventure ...

I am personally all in for the being to grant his power of choice - but then again - in the above NDE perhaps the temporarily departed was never mean't to leave.


cheers - re your last paragraph ---- about granting the power of choice - - - what, though, if it was his Higher Self - speaking to him in the form of 'God' because 'God' the I am that I am.... is the sum total of all our Higher Selves - (to put it very simply)

It would be Himself advising Himself because he didn't want him(self) to mess up and abandon the young Raymond's body....because he hadn't fulfilled his purpose

if you get my drift....

the 'drift' that I've just formulated due to your questioning - :)

[Bill Ryan]

I have just watched it again (and enjoyed it again) to reply to you and Michi...I'm thinking NDEs are almost certainly subjective according to the person's experiences and state of being...? (and even expectations...?)If I may, just a passing personal comment on this most interesting thread.

I feel I have to agree with jaybee: it does seem that the many clearly very sincere NDE reports are often so very incompatibly different from each other, in so many different ways, that some degree of subjectivity/belief/illusion (or possibly even deception) surely has to be in play here.

(I don't for a moment doubt the reality of NDEs. But regarding the 'reality' of exactly what is perceived or experienced, it seems that not every one of them can possibly be 'right'.)

[Kindred]

I just saw this thread... after I watched this NDE narration. I agree with a lot of you in that every NDE experience is a reflection of the individual's belief system, and this one is no different. (a caveat - I've viewed a few where a practitioner of Islam saw/experienced Jesus, and ended up converting... I have not viewed any of the reverse.)

That said, I did feel that this particular experience reflects the PROBABLE nature of our Reality as We Create it...
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In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[Mike]

It's not necessarily true that a person's belief system always affects the NDE...

Plenty of atheists have met Jesus in NDE's.

Plenty of agnostics have had hellish experiences. Plenty of atheists too.

Something like 25% of NDE's are hell-related. And all sorts of people have found themselves there, people who never gave a thought to things like hell (or heaven) during their earthly lives.

I've watched maybe a hundred testimonies on YouTube, and read just as many ..and quite a few of these people had no idea what to expect after death, but had a profound afterlife experience nonetheless. And there is quite a bit of overlap in the experiences, generally speaking..

The individual often does not know they are dead initially. That's almost always the case. They float above their body for a bit, making little mental notes about this n that, and have the ability to read thoughts...which makes for humorous stories once they return and explain everything to the astonishment of everyone involved.

They're amused to find out their unique personality survives death. That's very common.

A majority find themselves in a tunnel of light. But they're first in complete darkness - a soothing darkness - and a blip of light from a great distance arrives to meet them. It provides a conduit to something like an afterlife, thru a tunnel, where they meet deceased family and friends (or sometimes angels or guides of some sort).

They have no attachment to their body, none at all. And quite often they initially have no memory of the life they've just participated in (tho that memory tends to return). There's often no desire to return to friends and family. There's a sense that one is now "home" ..and when told they have to return to earth, will fight tooth and nail to stay (even if it means arguing with God). But, they "still have work to do", and are sent back into what are now very uncomfortable earthly bodies.

This all happens after the "life review", usually, where the deceased are not just shown but literally experience their life all over again, but this time from the perspective of the people they've interacted with ..feeling all the feelings they caused others to feel. There's no judgement from God, just from oneself.

I'm forgetting a bunch but you get the point. Almost unfailingly they all follow a similar pattern. Even the hell experiences are pretty consistent.

So, the small details vary, occasionally dramatically, but the framework is almost always the same.

[HopSan]

The individual often does not know they are dead initially. That's almost always the case. They float above their body for a bit, making little mental notes about this n that, and have the ability to read thoughts...which makes for humorous stories once they return and explain everything to the astonishment of everyone involved.



Thanks, Mike, I think I have something really useful first-hand knowledge to add.

Background: As I mentioned elsewhere, my wife died half a year ago. Fast, widely spread,
hopeless cancer. No vaxxes. She was with me at home in her own bed the last months.

Much to say, but I select these points:

a) We tried all possible alt-ways to boost her body. No effect, BUT she felt fine until the last week,
when her energy completely disappeared. Almost no pain, but sleepy, zero-energy.

b) I talked with her carefully, every day, that this is what happens to everyone.
No reason to worry, I'll be behind some thousands of days later.

c) When she was in her last moments in the hospice, completely unconscious, rarely breathing, I kissed my goodbyes
and told that things are ok (in case she somehow could notice my words) and decided to drive home to rest (I was completely
exhausted, after months of not much sleep).

[And now, important:]

d) During the driving (while crying), I suddenly got a strong feeling of happiness.
At home, I ate well, feeling good, almost smiling. Two-three hours later I got a call that she had died.

e) She knew everything about OOBE, NDE, etc. I bet she died with no worries, but curious.
When she was 'there', she wanted to ease my sadness. And I felt it.

[Mike]

The individual often does not know they are dead initially. That's almost always the case. They float above their body for a bit, making little mental notes about this n that, and have the ability to read thoughts...which makes for humorous stories once they return and explain everything to the astonishment of everyone involved.



Thanks, Mike, I think I have something really useful first-hand knowledge to add.

Background: As I mentioned elsewhere, my wife died half a year ago. Fast, widely spread,
hopeless cancer. No vaxxes. She was with me at home in her own bed the last months.

Much to say, but I select these points:

a) We tried all possible alt-ways to boost her body. No effect, BUT she felt fine until the last week,
when her energy completely disappeared. Almost no pain, but sleepy, zero-energy.

b) I talked with her carefully, every day, that this is what happens to everyone.
No reason to worry, I'll be behind some thousands of days later.

c) When she was in her last moments in the hospice, completely unconscious, rarely breathing, I kissed my goodbyes
and told that things are ok (in case she somehow could notice my words) and decided to drive home to rest (I was completely
exhausted, after months of not much sleep).

[And now, important:]

d) During the driving (while crying), I suddenly got a strong feeling of happiness.
At home, I ate well, feeling good, almost smiling. Two-three hours later I got a call that she had died.

e) She knew everything about OOBE, NDE, etc. I bet she died with no worries, but curious.
When she was 'there', she wanted to ease my sadness. And I felt it.


HopSan that is a remarkable story. Thanks so much for sharing it:handshake:

That's gutting my friend. Very sorry you had to endure all that:heart:

But how wonderful that she gave you this gift of easing your sadness. What a beautiful blessing. I'm so pleased that happened.

This is often another part of the experience I forgot to mention: the deceased visit family and friends shortly after passing and offer blessings when possible. Also, the angels and guides that are with them either let them know yes, so and so will be fine without you and you can move on in your spiritual journey..or no, they will not be fine and you need to return to earth to assist them. Or, sometimes, it doesn't necessarily matter either way and the deceased are given the choice to remain deceased or to come back to earth

[HopSan]

But how wonderful that she gave you this gift of easing your sadness.

This is often another part of the experience I forgot to mention: the deceased visit family and friends shortly after passing and offer blessings when possible.

Mike, you are hitting important points:

1) "Easing your sadness"... This is the strangest thing: I then felt that I was
the person to help the one in despair (she). I was exhausted, but not in any danger of crashing.

2) Also: I felt that she broke some 'cosmic' rules to help me so soon.
I was meant to be the one to help her, I was the stronger one, I needed no help!

3) My conclusion then and now: She had permission to 'inform' me,
so that I could tell this story for those who really need this hope.

[jaybee]

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I was just thinking of what animals might experience re NDEs and death of the physical body itself... and remembered something that happened many years ago when I lived in a caravan on a farm - a small caravan site in the middle of fields that were used for grazing sheep....

I was walking to town through the fields one day and came across a dying sheep - I felt sorry for it and sat down next to it to be with it as it passed from this world... I can't remember the details now but I was trying to give it companionship and loving thoughts - as it died all alone away from it's flock -

At some point my mind + being was filled with images of a little lamb on a spring day running through luscious green fields in the sun - bouncing around - happy and carefree, pure and innocent -

The sheep had passed away and I felt that I'd joined with it as it died and seen + felt what it was experiencing - was this part of it's sheepy life review or it moving to sheep heaven - as a step towards the 'broader, deeper' heaven - (state of being)....

The pic below is Jesus calling a little lamb to him.... though maybe a sheep might be called first by it's earthy mother, all sheep smelling fleece and milky teats - don't know - my darling dog died 10 days ago and when the dying began (3 days before the end) something changed in her and I knew straight away she was dying (she was quite old and had a heart murmur and was on heart tablets)..... she was looking at me meaningfully and intently as the change happened - I'm not sure if she had a little stroke and was looking at me as if saying - something's happening - I thought she was going then and there in the middle of the night and we stared into each other's eyes and I was stroking her lightly...and found myself saying 'into the arms of Jesus - let go - it's ok - go into the arms of Jesus...'

re the opening post of this thread - I have no traditional religious upbringing - but in 2020 - how can I put this .... the spirit of Jesus came into my life...I might say more about this another time - so's not to make this too long because this post is mainly about the dying sheep that I sat with all those years ago back in the 1970s...


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[Harmony]

What a beautiful post above jaybee :heart: I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your dear dog. I do feel we are connected to our dearest pets. I have had dreams when one of a pair of dogs or donkeys had died and they would be calling the other one left behind to the other side, seemingly waiting for the other so they could continue their journey together, and some how not too long after the other of the pair would pass from something unexpected. I so hope we will spend time with our companions again :shooting star::stars::heart:

[jaybee]

What a beautiful post above jaybee :heart: I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your dear dog. I do feel we are connected to our dearest pets. I have had dreams when one of a pair of dogs or donkeys had died and they would be calling the other one left behind to the other side, seemingly waiting for the other so they could continue their journey together, and some how not too long after the other of the pair would pass from something unexpected. I so hope we will spend time with our companions again :shooting star::stars::heart:


Thank you Harmony :heart: - I haven't dreamt about her yet but it's early days - over the years I've had deceased pets appear in dreams - I always say that her mission in life was to meet and greet her adoring public + she was always going up to people and saying hello, wagging her tail and making them feel special and happy (she was a Yorkshire Terrier, Chihuahua cross) ... everyone loved her....

:star::dog:

[John Hilton]

Again, I'm not sure where to post this (sorry) but here it is:

Psychic Reveals Humanity's Future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2NthQP09R4&t=920s
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