Cataclysmic pole shift

[McMaster]

Hello all!

It's been a long time since I last posted anything in this forum.
Recently I have listened and watched a lot of videos relating to ancient advanced civilizations. In quite a few videos it was brought up, that there may have been a cataclysmic pole shift in ancient past that destroyed ancient civilizations and megafauna that was abundant in the past.

On one other video there was a mention how several megalithic sites lay on a same line around the globe and that got me thinking. What if this line where lot of the sites lay, was actually equatorial plane of the earth before this possible shift.

Now, if the shift was quick, then it indeed would be cataclysmic in nature. But I read on wikipedia, that actual polar wonder do excist and it is about 1°/1 million years. and apparently there has been about 30° shift according to wikipedia.

Coincidentally I found out the following:
I have access to CAD modeling software, so I modeled scaled earth and mapped points of three megalithic sites on the globe, Giza, Puma Punku and Easter Island. I formed a plane through these three places to get this line connecting all these sites.
I then projected a pole perpendicul to this plane and so I got this hypothetical location of the pole where it would had to be if this line connecting these places was equatorial plane. And turns out, that it is actually about 30° (30.2471° to be precise) from where it is now at a location of 59°45'10.4"N 121°40'12.0"W.

Now if all these locations were originally at the equator, then two things will follow. Either there was a cataclysmic pole shift in recent past OR all these sites are a much older than we think, pushing back construction of these sites to 30 million years ago.

Line connecting the sites is the yellow one and location of the current pole is yellow tab on the top right one and old would've been the one on the top left.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=48706&d=1648807674



What do you think? And if there is already videos or podcast discussing this very thing, I would appreciate if you could share these with me.

[Tigger]

Best video I’ve found on the subject is “Revelations of the Pyramids”, circa 2011. Starring Jean-Pierre Adam. It’s still available in iTunes and is well worth watching.

[Ewan]

See this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116431-Back-to-Builders-of-the-Ancient-World-Docu) which also contains an embedded version of Tigger's recommended viewing, "Revelations of the Pyramids"

[onawah]

As pertaining to pole shifts:

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[McMaster]

Thanks all, will have to watch these soon.

[Ewan]

Just posted the following in the wrong thread. (I'm getting on in years, what can I say!)



You may also want to research the megalithic yard (http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/megalithicyard.htm) first proposed by Alexander Thom.

A pretty good book by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler Civilization One (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1723948.Civilization_One) presents a pretty convincing origination story for the megalithic yard.

[CurEus]

Really well done!

[Anu Raman]

Yes you are correct.

One other thing you may like to do research on is the Artic methane gas.. Now this may have nothing to do with any of this, but that methane gas had to come from somewhere - perhaps a planetary debris impact due to mythology studies. That impact would've rocked this planet hard. It is increasing with methane gas emissions up there, along with a "space hurricane" currently spiraling above the Earth..

Also, a theory has been panned out in regarding to the wandering north magnetic pole. According to NOAA, the wandering pole had been moving to positions 'lower' than it's previous position. Almost like a 'count down' - however Earth's OM signal is 136.10hz.. As crazy as this sounds, it is plausible that it could reach that 136.10 or 136.100 position and initiate some sort of destruction involving acoustics instead of just magnetism. HMM..

On top of all this.. I do know for a fact that the pyramids in Giza, and pyramids around the world are at least 16 million years, not like what archeology like to have us believe. This is in direct relation to your equatorial plane movement scenario.

[Inversion]

This is a new video from AJ's The Why Files about pole shift. He talks about Chan Thomas' book The Adam & Eve Story (https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Adam_Eve_Story.html?id=i-PuAQAACAAJ) which he claims draws from other works. He said the author's name is a pseudonym for Dr. Chauncey Powers Thomas. To me this looks like a contrived work to procure funds for space programs by disseminating fear. The 1966 book was redacted by the CIA. Pole shifts are cyclical and it happens in one day. A collage of falsehoods would also be cyclical. The United States Navy will retire ocean going vessels after 30-35 years. It reminds me of Whitley Strieber's & Art Bell's book The Day After Tomorrow. Strieber is a self-proclaimed Gray abductee and the pattern would state so was Art. The theater/templets thrust upon our race is coming from off world.

01/12/23 (27:08)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3fkTq_p0o

CIA Classified Book about the Pole Shift, Mass Extinctions and The True Adam & Eve Story

In 1966 a well-known engineer released a book with information that could impact everyone on earth. But before anyone could read it, it was classified by the CIA.

We only learned of its existence a few years ago because of a Freedom of Information request.

The CIA only released 57 pages of the original 284-page manuscript. And those pages have been, in the CIA's own words, "sanitized".

Why does the CIA think this book is so dangerous that they had to hide it from the public for 60 years; and continue to hide most of it?

It's because the man who wrote it describes the end of the world.

[delfine]

As pertaining to pole shifts:

THE Earth Disaster Documentary
337,408 views Dec 25, 2021
18K
Suspicious0bservers
601K subscribers

"The Most Important Items Combined Into One Video | No more "Watch the dozens of videos", no more "Go watch the series playlist"... now there is ONE catch-up video for the earth catastrophe cycle... share it wisely.

First, combine Chan Thomas, Charles Hapgood, Major White, August Dunning, Robert Felix, Robert Shoch, Albert Einstein, Randall Carlson and Douglas Vogt. Then, combine mythology, religion, 4 fields of astrophysics, 8 fields of geophysics, archeology and paleontology. Then add on the signs of the disaster unfolding now on earth, the other planets, the sun, nearby stars... and realize that the cycle timing is perfectly due again now. It's coming. Are you ready? "
ihwoIlxHI3Q

Much more from Ben Davidson on the Suspicious Observer playlists, such as: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw
Updates are posted regularly on this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages

Initially I was very impressed by the suspicious observer too, but then I saw this video.
Not sure what to think now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fTLZTEE7mU

[Johnnycomelately]

Good luck with that thinking, delfine.



As pertaining to pole shifts:

THE Earth Disaster Documentary
337,408 views Dec 25, 2021
18K
Suspicious0bservers
601K subscribers

"The Most Important Items Combined Into One Video | No more "Watch the dozens of videos", no more "Go watch the series playlist"... now there is ONE catch-up video for the earth catastrophe cycle... share it wisely.

First, combine Chan Thomas, Charles Hapgood, Major White, August Dunning, Robert Felix, Robert Shoch, Albert Einstein, Randall Carlson and Douglas Vogt. Then, combine mythology, religion, 4 fields of astrophysics, 8 fields of geophysics, archeology and paleontology. Then add on the signs of the disaster unfolding now on earth, the other planets, the sun, nearby stars... and realize that the cycle timing is perfectly due again now. It's coming. Are you ready? "
ihwoIlxHI3Q

Much more from Ben Davidson on the Suspicious Observer playlists, such as: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw
Updates are posted regularly on this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages

Initially I was very impressed by the suspicious observer too, but then I saw this video.
Not sure what to think now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fTLZTEE7mU

[Tigger]

Initially I was very impressed by the suspicious observer too, but then I saw this video.
Not sure what to think now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fTLZTEE7mU

Perhaps this may be helpful:
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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxM_uB74Zcs

[delfine]

Initially I was very impressed by the suspicious observer too, but then I saw this video.
Not sure what to think now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fTLZTEE7mU

Perhaps this may be helpful:
xxM_uB74Zcs

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxM_uB74Zcs

I'll admit that I have no scientific qualifications to ascertain who of them is right. What bothers me, is that Ben Davidson felt the need to threaten Dave. He (Ben) obviously didn't think his arguments could stand alone, which is rather concerning, I think...

[onawah]

Regarding detractors of Ben Davidson, and his credibility; from SuspiciousObservers website:
DIVE DEEPER:
Response to ALL Detractors: https://youtu.be/aHBDF_3Dk_k
Free Versions of Our Peer-Reviewed Papers:
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[onawah]

I'll admit that I have no scientific qualifications to ascertain who of them is right. What bothers me, is that Ben Davidson felt the need to threaten Dave. He (Ben) obviously didn't think his arguments could stand alone, which is rather concerning, I think...

I would keep in mind how much Ben's detractors would like to shut him up for good.
He takes great risks just by doing what he is doing, and besides keeping several websites going, doing all the reading and research he does, he has also founded a growing Prepper community, is married and is father to 3 small children.
Like Dutchsinse, who has figured out how to accurately predict earthquakes, he is a huge threat to paid off shill academics and Deep State agencies whose task is to keep big, important secrets from the public.
That's a lot of pressure.
If he snaps once in a while, I certainly think that's very understandable.

[delfine]

Regarding detractors of Ben Davidson, and his credibility; from SuspiciousObservers website:
DIVE DEEPER:
Response to ALL Detractors: https://youtu.be/aHBDF_3Dk_k
Free Versions of Our Peer-Reviewed Papers:
1) http://suspicious0bservers.org/wp-con...
2) http://suspicious0bservers.org/wp-con...

1) and 2) says 404 page not found.

[delfine]

I'll admit that I have no scientific qualifications to ascertain who of them is right. What bothers me, is that Ben Davidson felt the need to threaten Dave. He (Ben) obviously didn't think his arguments could stand alone, which is rather concerning, I think...

I would keep in mind how much Ben's detractors would like to shut him up for good.
He takes great risks just by doing what he is doing, and besides keeping several websites going, doing all the reading and research he does, he has also founded a growing Prepper community, is married and is father to 3 small children.
Like Dutchsinse, who has figured out how to accurately predict earthquakes, he is a huge threat to paid off shill academics and Deep State agencies whose task is to keep big, important secrets from the public.
That's a lot of pressure.
If he snaps once in a while, I certainly think that's very understandable.

But even if he's right, how would you prep for the scenario he's describing; mile high tsunamis wiping out every vestige of civilization, continents shifting place in a matter of hours etc.? I doubt that he is able to predict exactly where people will be safe during this major calamity. Besides those who survive, might not find the post-apocalyptic living conditions particularly appealing to say the least. Some say they will envy the dead.

[onawah]

If you go to his youtube page here and scroll down, you will see the links in full:
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But even if he's right, how would you prep for the scenario he's describing; mile high tsunamis wiping out every vestige of civilization, continents shifting place in a matter of hours etc.? I doubt that he is able to predict exactly where people will be safe during this major calamity. Besides those who survive, might not find the post-apocalyptic living conditions particularly appealing to say the least. Some say they will envy the dead.

That's how hard he's been working--if you listen to his updates regularly, he explains how he knows approximately where people will be safe.
Not every vestige of civilization will be wiped out, but yes, not a lot of people are likely to survive at this point, partly because most people don't know about it, don't want to know about it, or are in denial, and because those in power don't want people to know.
Especially if that continues to be the case, those who do survive will have a daunting task ahead of them just to stay alive.
What's worse, the destruction of the electric grid is likely to come much sooner than the big cataclysmic events, and that will cause a lot of chaos.

[Applesprig]

Take a look at MARIO BUILDREPS work on the positions of the megalith sites and the movement of the poles.... it's a working hypothesis in progress. This is in response to McMaster's entry on 1st April 2022.

[onawah]

It helps a lot if you provide links.
Here is one for Mario Buildreps:https://www.mariobuildreps.com/
I have no idea what you are referring to re "McMaster's entry on 1st April 2022".
Please explain. Thanks.


Take a look at MARIO BUILDREPS work on the positions of the megalith sites and the movement of the poles.... it's a working hypothesis in progress. This is in response to McMaster's entry on 1st April 2022.

[Applesprig]

Hi onawash , apologies for not providing a link. I joined 2 days ago and have only a small tablet so have not worked out yet how to upload onto the forum. I am hopeless with technicall things like computers. At the top of this page McMaster opened this thread on the date given and in it he asked if anyone had other information to contribute.

[Applesprig]

Hi onwash, the above link you gave is unrelated to Mario Buildrep's work, it is Randall Carson talking about the youner dryas event. Mario Buildreps website is www.mariobuildreps.com , Orientations of pyramids and temples correlates with ice ages. He is primarily a mathematician interested in tbis topic and has something to contribute to this debate.

[onawah]

Apologies. I've been watching that video of Randall Carlson at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RbNeEEPy4
... who acknowledges Ben Davidson's and Robert Schoch's work on the 12,000 year solar cycle there, though Carlson is still looking more at comets alone as being the main cause of cataclysms.
But I meant to provide the link to Buildreps' work, and have corrected that now.
BTW, my moniker on Avalon is Onawah, not "onwash", and welcome to Project Avalon.
It's good to have more people here who are paying attention to the coming earth changes.
You can find help here regarding posting links, etc on the forum:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?90-Forum-Technical-Q-A


Hi onwash, the above link you gave is unrelated to Mario Buildrep's work, it is Randall Carson talking about the youner dryas event. Mario Buildreps website is www.mariobuildreps.com , Orientations of pyramids and temples correlates with ice ages. He is primarily a mathematician interested in tbis topic and has something to contribute to this debate.

[Delight]

But even if he's right, how would you prep for the scenario he's describing; mile high tsunamis wiping out every vestige of civilization, continents shifting place in a matter of hours etc.? I doubt that he is able to predict exactly where people will be safe during this major calamity. Besides those who survive, might not find the post-apocalyptic living conditions particularly appealing to say the least. Some say they will envy the dead.

For me that is a very important question. I knew of Edgar Cayce as a child as my family was into theosophy, prophecy and natural healing so I had books around most only heard about as adults. There were terrible predictions made that were frightening. Then nothing happened as predicted. Then I was alerted by Scallion of earth changes that were terrible. The predictions were scary. Then nothing happened. I knew about Y2K and THAT did not happen. I have hardly EVER fallen into prep mode but I did buy bags of beans and rice two years ago or so (because of something I read here actually about Equador I think) I never used. In MY reality things just bump along and nothing happens as prophesied for me.

This has led to a very strange solipsism in my reality bubble. I STOP all mass (meaning globally catyclysmic) catastrophes because I AM HERE. I ameliorate everything and that is WHY I AM HERE. The TRUTH MUST COME OUT about how we have created the terrors given to us to create. The TRUTH must come out and great light be lasered on evil.

Many have been caught and bound by their beliefs and their fear and their ALLIGIANCE to all the DOOM prophets see. They don't do any good for themselves in that cooperation.

However instead of creating Egregores which actually suck up energy (Egregores are OUR creation) and then have US create the scenarios, some of us STOP them because our higher selves are in the mix. WE are joined in a circuit and we have stopped and will halt the mass mind from destroying all civilization again.

Or NOT? So far so good......

[onawah]

Cayce didn't give a date as to the time when the cataclysms would occur.
What is evident now is that the poles are gradually moving and the Earth's magnetic field is diminishing, the weather is becoming more unpredictable and more dangerous, and there are big changes happening all over the solar system, all of which are signs of the 12,000 solar cycle.
Humans have hidden capabilities certainly, but we can't control the Sun, or the energy that moves through the Milky Way...
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But even if he's right, how would you prep for the scenario he's describing; mile high tsunamis wiping out every vestige of civilization, continents shifting place in a matter of hours etc.? I doubt that he is able to predict exactly where people will be safe during this major calamity. Besides those who survive, might not find the post-apocalyptic living conditions particularly appealing to say the least. Some say they will envy the dead.

For me that is a very important question. I knew of Edgar Cayce as a child as my family was into theosophy, prophecy and natural healing so I had books around most only heard about as adults. There were terrible predictions made that were frightening. Then nothing happened as predicted. Then I was alerted by Scallion of earth changes that were terrible. The predictions were scary. Then nothing happened. I knew about Y2K and THAT did not happen. I have hardly EVER fallen into prep mode but I did buy bags of beans and rice two years ago or so (because of something I read here actually about Equador I think) I never used. In MY reality things just bump along and nothing happens as prophesied for me.

This has led to a very strange solipsism in my reality bubble. I STOP all mass (meaning globally catyclysmic) catastrophes because I AM HERE. I ameliorate everything and that is WHY I AM HERE. The TRUTH MUST COME OUT about how we have created the terrors given to us to create. The TRUTH must come out and great light be lasered on evil.

Many have been caught and bound by their beliefs and their fear and their ALLIGIANCE to all the DOOM prophets see. They don't do any good for themselves in that cooperation.

However instead of creating Egregores which actually suck up energy (Egregores are OUR creation) and then have US create the scenarios, some of us STOP them because our higher selves are in the mix. WE are joined in a circuit and we have stopped and will halt the mass mind from destroying all civilization again.

Or NOT? So far so good......

[Applesprig]

Hi onawah, ...wash !!!! That is a funny mistake ( by the way I make them often.) Thanks for the link you sent me, I'll get round to it and fathom it out, it's a bit like getting your mail from the post box and knowing them to be bills, delay opening them.

[Delight]

Cayce didn't give a date as to the time when the cataclysms would occur.
What is evident now is that the poles are gradually moving and the Earth's magnetic field is diminishing, the weather is becoming more unpredictable and more dangerous, and there are big changes happening all over the solar system, all of which are signs of the 12,000 solar cycle.
Humans have hidden capabilities certainly, but we can't control the Sun, or the energy that moves through the Milky Way...


We cannot CHANGE these things matter to matter. However, I KNOW this is the effect zone. Is there possibly a sentient communicating beingness we call the sun and earth? Is it possible that we can have an ease and grace towards earth changes with no onslaught of energy that fries the planet and provokes extreme upheaval? Is it possible the energy of LOVE welling up and out from human beings can change material circumstance? Is it possible that because this is a SPIRITUAL reality before manifesting as physical (as we all should know by now when even normie scientists discuss how what we see as matter is flows of energy), we can LOVE so much that even the sun and earth respond in kind?

Our Relationship with "God", energy, the earth and the Sun is CERTAINLY at the leading edge of our capacity. I will still hold out for consciousness ameliorating the drastic expectations some have had.

IF I am mistaken, I will certainly find out in time OR I will leave the planet by way of other usual means beforehand. For me it makes no sense to prep or even spend much time studying all the expected catastrophes. People think it happened before and this is a clocklike cyclical inevitable pattern... but IS IT REALLY?

The way I look at it: our innermost and sincere belief is connecting to the whole and has its impact and is OUR PRAYER. I feel that many of us are growing in strength in love for the earth, love with sun and love of life. Holding out the highest and best for all of us is not a ridiculous preoccupation. Prayer is talking to "God" about what we want to see happen. Question: why would people LIKE to hold a certainty of world wide destruction?

You may say they don't "like" to hold this view but their insistance on imagining it and making that a central focus seems to indicate they do.


EARTH CHANGES: CYCLONES, QUAKES, AND TSUNAMIS
By John Van Auken (https://www.edgarcayce.org/the-readings/ancient-mysteries/earth-changes/earth-changes-cyclones-quakes-tsunamis/)Our planet is actively changing. In one reading, Cayce stated that none of the physical devastation he predicted has to happen. The stability of the planet lies in humanity’s collective hands. Cayce also confirmed the biblical axiom that 10 good people can save an entire city. This brings to mind an old story told by the editor of Guideposts magazine. He received letters from two different women in a small town in California. Each told him how they were awakened in the dark hours of predawn and powerfully guided by Spirit to go out into the street of their little town and pray. They both did. Around 5 a.m., a powerful earthquake hit their town, destroying the entire downtown area, but not one person was killed or even injured. These two ladies did not know each other, living on opposite corners of the town. In this case, the prayers of two saved a town.

Rather than get anxious over the world situation and sound-bite political leaders, prayer is a powerful service we can perform for our fellow planet dwellers. Our prayers ascend into the Collective Consciousness and subliminally affect the whole of human consciousness and nature’s sensitive vibrations.

Prayer time is also a wonderful sanctuary from the world’s weight. In this inner space of contacting God with love and caring for others, we can find a refuge for our often weary hearts and minds.

As Cayce advised, “Why worry when you can pray? He [God] is the Whole, you are a part. Coordinate your abilities with the Whole.” (Reading 2528-2)

So far, so good....

[onawah]

I have always felt that Earth is destined for a much more loving paradigm than we are currently living in.
I have had visions myself, and have personally known visionaries, and have great respect for the visionaries of the past.
I don't think that visionaries are necessarily prophets of doom, nor do I consider myself to be one.

But I do consider myself to be a realist, and though I don't by any means regard science as the "new religion" as some have predicted, I do see that it can be a great tool for helping us to understand this reality much better than our limited senses.
But it's a very dangerous tool when misused, as so often has been the case.
I think that the more people are aware of what seems most likely to be very much programmed into this reality by whatever created it, the better equipped we are to deal with it.

Waking up to what that can entail can be a very painful process, and it certainly was for me, but as I have watched things going from bad to worse over the past few decades, and gone through those familiar stages of denial, anger and finally, acceptance, I finally feel a lot more grounded, clear-headed and secure in my connection with Spirit.
I stand firm in my opinions as to what will happen, but I would be more than happy to be presented with evidence that the near future will not be as cataclysmic as I think.
I just haven't seen anything that convinces me of that.

But I do firmly believe that on the other side of those disasters and the recovery process of the survivors, a new paradigm will arise that will pave the way to a much more peaceful and harmonious world, much more humbly respectful of Nature and conscious of how very dependent humanity's welfare in the material plane is on living in harmony with Nature.

Science will have to take a back seat in that future because it has been so badly misused.
But humanity's consciousness and senses will expand and develop in partnership with Nature instead of in exploitation of it.
All the abominations that the NWO have planned for will just be dust in the wind--Nature will see to that!

So my feeling is that the sooner more people are prepared for that eventuality, the better, not just in that future paradigm, but in this one.
That demands realism, not wishful thinking.
I don't deny that humankind can still radically change the current paradigm and make it easier to survive into the next, but that that process must be underway if that is to happen.
There just isn't enough time left for more delay.
Only time will tell. :clock:

The way I look at it: our innermost and sincere belief is connecting to the whole and has its impact and is OUR PRAYER. I feel that many of us are growing in strength in love for the earth, love with sun and love of life. Holding out the highest and best for all of us is not a ridiculous preoccupation. Prayer is talking to "God" about what we want to see happen. Question: why would people LIKE to hold a certainty of world wide destruction?

I think perhaps you may be mistaking a passion for surviving against tremendous odds for "liking to hold a certainty of world wide destruction". Only someone with a severe pathology would have such sentiments.
Of course, one advantage to the cataclysms is that much of what the NWO (speaking of severe pathologies) has planned will be destroyed, and that is certainly a bonus. Sadly, so far, humanity at large hasn't done as well as is necessary with keeping them at bay, though I certainly hope that is changing.
Stating that doesn't make it any more or less so, it's just a fact.
(Do you think "tough love" works? I do, though of course, it's not fun. :flower: )

[Delight]

I will not derail the thread but I want to proclaim before I go that our "experience" is a particular that we choose from a field of possibility. Thoughts are actually the "things" we must use to build the reality. This world is the effect and the reflection of mind. There are archetypes and there are patterns. There are characters galore and there is a STORY. Edgar Cayce said over and over that Mind is the Builder. If people give lip service to the idea, IF they do not live the idea, they are parroting an others mind and building the others' world.

Someone who wants us all dead has terrible thoughts. If we parrot the thought, we experience the terrible.

[onawah]

Unfortunately, those who wish us all dead (save for a retinue of slaves) are those who currently have great power in this world.
On the contrary, those who wish to see beyond the nightmare those psychopaths are trying to create are not parroting those thoughts, they are looking for the best way they can find to survive the nightmare, and provide humankind with the ability and the means to continue the journey on this planet.
We are not Superhumans; we can build our reality to some extent, but we are also limited by the laws of Nature.
There may be those in the Universe who are not so limited, but the vast majority of humankind at present on this planet are not among them.
It sounds like you are condemning Preppers and their mission.
Would you prefer they abandon their work and all become monks and nuns and spend their days in prayer?
They are not called to that purpose, and personally, I am grateful to them for that.


I will not derail the thread but I want to proclaim before I go that our "experience" is a particular that we choose from a field of possibility. Thoughts are actually the "things" we must use to build the reality. This world is the effect and the reflection of mind. There are archetypes and there are patterns. There are characters galore and there is a STORY. Edgar Cayce said over and over that Mind is the Builder. If people give lip service to the idea, IF they do not live the idea, they are parroting an others mind and building the others' world.

Someone who wants us all dead has terrible thoughts. If we parrot the thought, we experience the terrible.

[Delight]

Unfortunately, those who wish us all dead (save for a retinue of slaves) are those who currently have great power in this world.
On the contrary, those who wish to see beyond the nightmare those psychopaths are trying to create are not parroting those thoughts, they are looking for the best way they can find to survive the nightmare, and provide humankind with the ability and the means to continue the journey on this planet.
We are not Superhumans; we can build our reality to some extent, but we are also limited by the laws of Nature.
There may be those in the Universe who are not so limited, but the vast majority of humankind at present on this planet are not among them.
It sounds like you are condemning Preppers and their mission.
Would you prefer they abandon their work and all become monks and nuns and spend their days in prayer?
They are not called to that purpose, and personally, I am grateful to them for that.


I will not derail the thread but I want to proclaim before I go that our "experience" is a particular that we choose from a field of possibility. Thoughts are actually the "things" we must use to build the reality. This world is the effect and the reflection of mind. There are archetypes and there are patterns. There are characters galore and there is a STORY. Edgar Cayce said over and over that Mind is the Builder. If people give lip service to the idea, IF they do not live the idea, they are parroting an others mind and building the others' world.

Someone who wants us all dead has terrible thoughts. If we parrot the thought, we experience the terrible.

OK, I see we are entirely on a different page, maybe a different book. I hope you and all receive exactly what you desire to be your experience.

[onawah]

Delight, that sounds like a curse, similar to that old one: "May you live in interesting times."
I would be only too happy if there was no evidence of any impending dire events.
My foremost desire is to be living NOW in a healthy, peaceful, loving world, and from there, to graduate to a higher realm altogether.
But I don't think I'll get there by hiding my head in the sand and blinding myself to the realities that surround us.
There's that other old saying about how "we don't always get what we want, but if we try sometimes, we might find we get what we need."
That eventuality is common to us all on this world, I'm afraid, including those who believe that thinking positively is going to solve all their problems.




OK, I see we are entirely on a different page, maybe a different book. I hope you and all receive exactly what you desire to be your experience.

[onawah]

If I am projecting onto you something you are not meaning, I apologize.
I am doing my best to understand where you are coming from.
I recall some time ago when we seemed to be in different camps when it came to how dangerous the COVID vaccines are, but later seemed to have arrived at similar conclusions.
Is this perhaps a reenactment of that process around a different topic?
I still feel we are essentially in the same camp, but there has been a failure in communication.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Delight, that sounds like a curse, similar to that old one: "May you live in interesting times."
I would be only too happy if there was no evidence of any impending dire events.
My foremost desire is to be living NOW in a healthy, peaceful, loving world, and from there, to graduate to a higher realm altogether.
But I don't think I'll get there by hiding my head in the sand and blinding myself to the realities that surround us.
There's that other old saying about how "we don't always get what we want, but if we try sometimes, we might find we get what we need."
That eventuality is common to us all on this world, I'm afraid, including those who believe that thinking positively is going to solve all their problems.




OK, I see we are entirely on a different page, maybe a different book. I hope you and all receive exactly what you desire to be your experience.

[Delight]

If I am projecting onto you something you are not meaning, I apologize.
I am doing my best to understand where you are coming from.

I recall some time ago when we seemed to be in different camps when it came to how dangerous the COVID vaccines are, but later seemed to have arrived at similar conclusions.
Is this perhaps a reenactment of that process around a different topic?

Huh? "Camps?" That is absolutely a completely different memory than mine of what I ever wrote here about a wholely different concern? However, it is germaine because what I plead is that we forget the pursuit of keeping in our memory almost everything we ever thought, have been told, shown or programmed in. These memories make believed because it is all a story we are acting out.

Whatever we hold in our psyche in thought activates materiality for us. I plead that people free themselves of more and deeper grooves of memorex designed to achieve Others' desires. On my page as this world is nothing MORE than story, if we move to where we imagine story, even here in this bizarre place we don't understand (because it is material effect and we can hardly touch the spiritual cause), WE CAN CREATE A STORY WE DESIRE.

This is being expressed every moment and at anytime, we can forgetta bout "It" (that which we do not want) and imagine anew. That is why we are that powerful.

[onawah]

And yet here we are, in these frail human bodies, living on a tiny planet hurtling precariously around an enormous Sun, with little to no memory of how we got here, or certainty of where we will go from here or how we will get there. I think it was the first of the enemies that Carlos Castenada's mentor Don Juan Matus said that we have to overcome on the path to becoming a spiritual warrior is POWER.
I resonated strongly to those messages.
We can easily become the slave of power if we lack the requisite humility.
Perhaps above all, it is a question of balance...



Huh? "Camps?" That is absolutely a completely different memory than mine of what I ever wrote here about a wholely different concern? However, it is germaine because what I plead is that we forget the pursuit of keeping in our memory almost everything we ever thought, have been told, shown or programmed in. These memories make believed because it is all a story we are acting out.

Whatever we hold in our psyche in thought activates materiality for us. I plead that people free themselves of more and deeper grooves of memorex designed to achieve Others' desires. On my page as this world is nothing MORE than story, if we move to where we imagine story, even here in this bizarre place we don't understand (because it is material effect and we can hardly touch the spiritual cause), WE CAN CREATE A STORY WE DESIRE.

This is being expressed every moment and at anytime, we can forgetta bout "It" (that which we do not want) and imagine anew. That is why we are that powerful.

[Delight]

Delight, that sounds like a curse, similar to that old one: "May you live in interesting times."
I would be only too happy if there was no evidence of any impending dire events.
My foremost desire is to be living NOW in a healthy, peaceful, loving world, and from there, to graduate to a higher realm altogether.
But I don't think I'll get there by hiding my head in the sand and blinding myself to the realities that surround us.
There's that other old saying about how "we don't always get what we want, but if we try sometimes, we might find we get what we need."
That eventuality is common to us all on this world, I'm afraid, including those who believe that thinking positively is going to solve all their problems.




OK, I see we are entirely on a different page, maybe a different book. I hope you and all receive exactly what you desire to be your experience.

I AM going to stop I promise but I find this understanding very humorous. WHY? because unless one actually receives what is truly desired, it haunts and may be a good reason to come back to this landscape so full of land mines. This seems clearly to involve the "free will" to create desired experience. IF one actually receives what is desired, that desire is satisfied.

Unfortunately it is seeming to be true that some desire what looks monstrous BUT I am not in charge of them. They will have the consequences I think. This world is full of others who make no sense to me. However I respect that this IS a free will zone. Maybe a simulacrum as so many call it an illusion, maya and not real? BUT, how to coexist NOW is in MY understandig to IGNORE their pleas that I cooperate> I IGNORE by FILLING my field with my energy, God's help, and MY desire for experience and no longer attend to the Others.

I appreciate the opportunity to try to explain but it really makes no difference if any one else gets the gist. This is all about managing my imaginings to experience what I desire. God IS and earth IS and I am.

It is perfect that earth respond with many changes constantly and I don't need to STOP her. If I have a relationship, I am sensing that I will be guided to request a less intense movement and in return I give her and all creatures love and support FROM my energy and source assistance. This is a real relationship being developed and I imagine a whole world where we learn all about the relationship in thriving.

There are some people around who desire something I don't and want me to go along with them. This includes the deep desire to destroy the world I think imagined by (what seems to me) pitifully twisted and possessed others. Do I want to help them with their desire, not my desire? NO NO NO. I want satisfaction of MY desire which is that we live on a planet, feel the planet, love the planet, communicate with the planet. I desire that we cooperate so all may have their own experience without impinging on others....and my great power is that I imagine this smoothening and strengthening and pacific reality such that no Others' propaganda can change MY mind.

Neville Goddard says that Doubt is the only sin. I refuse to doubt my desire and I feel I will experience it. Nothing can make me think I am mistaken.

[onawah]

Sounds good! :nod: :thumbsup:


Delight, that sounds like a curse, similar to that old one: "May you live in interesting times."
I would be only too happy if there was no evidence of any impending dire events.
My foremost desire is to be living NOW in a healthy, peaceful, loving world, and from there, to graduate to a higher realm altogether.
But I don't think I'll get there by hiding my head in the sand and blinding myself to the realities that surround us.
There's that other old saying about how "we don't always get what we want, but if we try sometimes, we might find we get what we need."
That eventuality is common to us all on this world, I'm afraid, including those who believe that thinking positively is going to solve all their problems.




OK, I see we are entirely on a different page, maybe a different book. I hope you and all receive exactly what you desire to be your experience.

I AM going to stop I promise but I find this understanding very humorous. WHY? because unless one actually receives what is truly desired, it haunts and may be a good reason t come back to this landscape so full of land mines. IF one actually receives what is desired, one is satisfied even if the desire was not what we believed? Unfortunately it is seeming to be true that some desire what looks monstrous BUT I am not in charge of them. They will have the consequences I think. BUT, how to coexist is in MY understandig to IGNORE their pleas that I cooperate by FILLING my field with my energy, God's help, and MY desire for experience.

It is perfect that earth respond with many changes constantly and I don't need to STOP her. If I have a relationship, I am sensing that I will be guided to request a less intense movement and in return I give her and all creatures love and support FROM my energy and source assistance. This is a real relationship being developed and I imagine a whole world where we learn all about the relationship in thriving.

There are some people around who desire something I don't and want me to go along with them. This includes the deep desire to destroy the world I think imagined by (what seems to me) pitifully twisted and possessed others. Do I want to help them with their desire, not my desire? NO NO NO. I want satisfaction of MY desire which is that we live on a planet, feel the planet, love the planet, communicate with the planet. I desire that we cooperate so all may have their own experience without impinging on others....and my great power is that I imagine this smoothening and strengthening and pacific reality such that no Others' propaganda can change MY mind.

Neville Goddard says that Doubt is the only sin. I refuse to doubt my desire and I feel I will experience it. Nothing can make me think I am mistaken.

[Johnnycomelately]

Natalie, you are looking outward, and Maggie is looking inward. I think she is right in her understanding of the attractive power of thought.

From Ben Davidson’s posts, I know about the “Earth-facing quiet”. Every night, before bed, I speak thankfulness for all critters small and big, for the whole beautiful and powerful plant kingdom, and for this home that the mineral kingdom provides. This home, to me, includes the Sun.

I have seen the prophetic prediction of “war in the Spring of early cherry blossoms” vanish, in such a Spring — 1988, after this was addressed through prayer. That was such a challenging time, and otherwise such a special time, that only these decades later am I feeling/being as then.

Hey sis you might be amused or gratified to know, that in that day-end prayer, the part not thankful for but asking “and please bless all my brothers and sisters, here and near and far, may your Will be done by us”, the “far” is meaning folks living elsewhere than Earth. ~8D

But to all my thoughts — when I am even, consequent — however energetic or seemingly righteous, I add “In accordance with your Will”.

“Faith” has gotten a bad name, much like “conspiracy theorist” or “love”, but it is a real and a powerful ticket/lever.

Cheers. - John.


And yet here we are, in these frail human bodies, living on a tiny planet hurtling precariously around an enormous Sun, with little to no memory of how we got here, or certainty of where we will go from here or how we will get there. I think it was the first of the enemies that Carlos Castenada's mentor Don Juan Matus said that we have to overcome on the path to becoming a spiritual warrior is POWER.
I resonated strongly to those messages.
We can easily become the slave of power if we lack the requisite humility.
Perhaps above all, it is a question of balance...





Whatever we hold in our psyche in thought activates materiality for us. I plead that people free themselves of more and deeper grooves of memorex designed to achieve Others' desires. On my page as this world is nothing MORE than story, if we move to where we imagine story, even here in this bizarre place we don't understand (because it is material effect and we can hardly touch the spiritual cause), WE CAN CREATE A STORY WE DESIRE.

This is being expressed every moment and at anytime, we can forgetta bout "It" (that which we do not want) and imagine anew. That is why we are that powerful.

[onawah]

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