Calm before the storm but where to go?

[mizo]

I noticed an increase in the doom and gloom scenarios recently, with so many commentaries advising that if you live in the West nations then its time to relocate.

Coming soon: Famine. Pestilence. Private property seizure. Lockdowns. Curfews. Food riots & civil wars- all happening within months. Jabbed will be dropping like flies. Aids epidemic and so on.

I actually know of a young couple that've just upped sticks and moved to Mexico.

But where to go?

Advice given- mainly relocate to South America or parts of Asia or similarly Africa. Move and possibly disappear to countries that are poorer than the west nations.

Here in the UK there's lots of talk about starting self sufficient communes moving to the countryside get off the grid so to speak; my thoughts are moving away from the cities is prolonging the agony, you cannot hide here!

What do you believe? Do we Run and hide- relocate if we can to places to escape the oncoming totalitarian rule?

Should we: stay and fight -would that be feasible? Or do we simply ignore the doomsday narratives -because it's not happening?

Do we ask Bill to make some room for us all in Ecuador:Angel:

Appreciate your thoughts!

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Hi Mizo and thanks for bringing up this subject.

You are quite correct in what you write: whether "being here" or "coming soon", it does not look good. Staying positive is not simple, for anyone. Even when one may get more of "a peek" in what's really happening compared to many others.

Where to go? I feel like it's best to "go where your Soul/Intuition directs one to go, and not rely on any outside events". Those fleeing to Mexico may get mugged by drug barons, or worse. If it IS where they are meant to be and they just follow their Inner Knowing, then all will be fine, no matter what may happen.

And I think the above is a "general rule"; once I was told "The only Way out, is In". No greater Truth than thàt. Where to do "this In", is anywhere your Intuition tells you to go. Forget reason, forget logic. The only "safe haven" is within your Own Self.

Stay? Move? Go to Ecuador? If you do the last thing, do not forget to take a good umbrella!

At least here at PA, we THINK about those matters and that is a big plus, by itself.

[jaybee]

My thoughts on the matter are that I'm not going anywhere... if I was younger (and healthier) I might be thinking of it but what's the point when the Enemy is everywhere - deeply embedded throughout the world...

you said this in your post..


Coming soon: Famine. Pestilence. Private property seizure. Lockdowns. Curfews. Food riots & civil wars- all happening within months. Jabbed will be dropping like flies. Aids epidemic and so on.

now the only way the perpetrators have managed to keep their rotten, oppressive plans going is by fooling the people and keeping them compliant and docile...but if what you say above happens the compliance and docility will soon disappear and that is when the game could change... will change.... and that's when although there could be very difficult times ahead the 'cat will be out of the bag'... I think there are limits on people's acceptance even when they are under 24/7 brainwashing programmes ... survival instinct will kick in... hopefully...

[Andre]

We live in Australia and we were planning to move to the north of Queensland, but in an interview with Max Igan (who moved to Mexico about 7 months ago), it was mentioned that the WEF wants to make Queensland some kind of headquarters. We do know that Australia has been targeted, so not sure about staying. I have a close friend who moved to Mexico a couple of years ago and she hasn't had any issues. There are some simple rules to follow, like being careful if you go out in the evenings. She does lives in a gated community, so those are issues to consider in moving to Mexico. We've thought about moving to Costa Rica but someone said the other day that things are not what they seem there. I haven't investigated what that means. Bali looks appealing and I've got a close friend who moved there about 5 years ago and lives in a community about 12km outside of Ubud. He loves it. They've have really been happy with the absence of motor scooters on the Ubud roads over the last two years but he mentioned the other day that as tourism returns, the number of scooters on the roads is now on the increase. What to do, what to do ...?

[Violet3]

I think sustainability of where you are at, or where you go to, is important. I include in that not just access to land and water, or farms/ food producers relatively locally, but also finding neighbours or small populated areas that are friendly, community minded and inclined to help each other out. I agree that everywhere is compromised, but the local scene could make the difference.
Where I live, being able to walk to the beach or hike around the bush not far away, see horizons and find beauty, is also important as food for the soul - it helps me to get through the constant negatively being poured out.

[ian33]

..i relocated to S.W. ireland 30 years ago, and it still feels like one of the safest places,despite E.U. membership..also fish in the sea, and my polytunnel, is a bit reassuring
..however as people point out major changes will happen, usually slower here considerably
..i am dealing with the final enemy, old age, and somewhat handicapped(left hand) so my traveling/escaping days are curtailed
have to make the best of it, short of finding a magic wardrobe with passage to NARNIA(smiles)

[joe1964]

As a Christian I believe that we are entering what the Bible calls Jacob's trouble, and as a Christian I have to believe the promises of Almighty GOD and that He will ultimately intervene. I do not think anywhere on this earth is safe anymore, the whole world has been corrupted, our governments, our churches, every sphere of life, there is danger everywhere.I do not write this to preach, but to answer the question of where can we go. As a Christian I have to hold onto my faith and believe that wherever I go that GOD Almighty will protect me.

[Eagle Eye]

If the evil would have been let to spread without control, the world would have ended long ago. There is a higher order above them, but also not entirely interfering with free will of mankind, to let us taste the consequence of our actions. It has been decreed by God the Almighty.

[Billy]

I moved from the city to the north west Highlands of Scotland 40 years ago. I live in a very remote area, my nearest neighbour is quarter of a mile away.
I eventually managed to be totally off grid with my ecoflow solar generator as my only source of power.
I have no intentions of moving anywhere else:sun:

48849

[Ewan]

I moved from the city to the north west Highlands of Scotland 40 years ago. I live in a very remote area, my nearest neighbour is quarter of a mile away.
I eventually managed to be totally off grid with my ecoflow solar generator as my only source of power.
I have no intentions of moving anywhere else:sun:

48849

Please tell us more. Thank you.

Is it this thing (https://www.hampshiregenerators.co.uk/product/generators/portable-power-stations/ecoflow-delta-1300-portable-power-station/)?

https://www.hampshiregenerators.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/EcoFlow-Delta-Portable-Power-Station-600x600.jpg

What size (Watt rating) Solar Panels do you use, and how many panels in your array?

I see they sell 110W, 160W, 220W and 400W panels.

Anything to do with electricity, short of changing a fuse or wiring a plug, is a bit of a foggy area for me sadly.

[Anchor]

Generally, you are where you need to be. If you are not, then you will have reasons to move - from a hunch, to a job offer, to an opportunity. It really is as simple as that. You will be awesome wherever you are.

If one place was clearly better than another, lots of people would move there and ruin it! Everywhere on Earth is beautiful, even the ugly **** holes contain beauty if you look.

The storms will keep coming though. It could be a bumpy ride - it already has been for a lot of people. Cleaning out the evil from dark places was never going to be easy, but it needs doing.

[Suzi E]

We've got friends over in Germany and only last week we were discussing this on the phone. They said that lots of Germans have gone to live in Panama for a better way of life.
I think that wherever you are in the world there will be no escaping the rise in the costs of food/energy etc etc.
We're staying put and continuing to grow even more of our own food.

[Mari]

My thoughts on the matter are that I'm not going anywhere... if I was younger (and healthier) I might be thinking of it but what's the point when the Enemy is everywhere - deeply embedded throughout the world...

you said this in your post..


Coming soon: Famine. Pestilence. Private property seizure. Lockdowns. Curfews. Food riots & civil wars- all happening within months. Jabbed will be dropping like flies. Aids epidemic and so on.

now the only way the perpetrators have managed to keep their rotten, oppressive plans going is by fooling the people and keeping them compliant and docile...but if what you say above happens the compliance and docility will soon disappear and that is when the game could change... will change.... and that's when although there could be very difficult times ahead the 'cat will be out of the bag'... I think there are limits on people's acceptance even when they are under 24/7 brainwashing programmes ... survival instinct will kick in... hopefully...


That's a good point. There simply has to be a tipping point when enough ppl wake up, and sadly, I always thought that it would happen when things get really ugly.

And yes, Johan (keyholder) I agree 100% with the absolute need for us to go within, in order to get through this. And to start to own our Human-ness (take 100% responsibility) and to get off grid as far as we are able, sharpen our survival skills.
Many years ago, I picked up a copy of the SAS Survival Handbook and thought that the human race would one day sorely need to learn the skills espoused within it.

[Stardad]

Hi all!

At this stage, aside from moving out of the large city areas (if you can!!!), I would stay put.

Being a lone wolf is not the way to go IMO, if we are to visualize a new and more positive continuation to this Civilisation.

Building and nurturing a network of individuals of like mind and good heart and finding your Tribe (soul group) is my priority.

[Spiral]

IMHO moving to country where you aren't fluent in the language, don't have family or longstanding friends isn't a good idea right now.

If things get as bad as some say you will have to be able to defend your property & family from gangs, that will in most places be likely to be armed.

I've chosen a village away from large cities where my accent doesn't make me stand out, I left rural France after Macron got in the first time.


It will only take food shortages for law & order to collapse, its only ordinary people carrying on that is keeping things going, all the institutions are now so utterly corrupt that there is no one in any position to sort anything out.

[Ernie Nemeth]

It seems to me that the new normal is all about the old normal having run its course.

The system has tracks or grooves that stratifies society into various segments based on credit.

There are the 30% at the bottom who have no access to credit. This group ranges primarily from the homeless to the basement dwellers, but a few at the very top of the group have somehow managed to rent a real apartment.

The middle 50% rent or pay a mortgage. Their credit ranges from poor to stellar.

20% move in circles the rest will never experience.


In a healthy economy, there is vigorous movement up and down between the two bottom classes and a bit of upward mobility toward the elite class - but the proportions remain the same because it is the nature of the system - the stratification is built into it.

With the current open border and liberal immigration policies, the third world population is pouring into the 'first world' nations and swamping the bottom class. This creates a downward pressure on the middle class, as they compete for goods and jobs. It also creates an unnatural upward surge for the elite class, as they reap the profits of a burgeoning economy.


So the new normal is merely the replenishment of the bottom class, which erodes the prosperity of the middle class and increases the total share for the elites as demand outstrips supply.

That is what has been going on now for some time.

It is the attitude of the new worker from impoverished nations that continues or perpetuates the cycle. They dream of the lifestyle they imagine awaits them in their adopted country and are willing to do whatever it takes to realize that dream.

Since the original population is already stratified, the newcomers find slots within the groups based primarily on merit and work ethic, but also on ethnic and racial equity projects that unnaturally slant the playing field in their favour.

The end result is the same regardless, that is until supply cannot keep with demand. The end result, the new normal, is the same as before, the old normal, with society again stratified into the three classes in roughly the same proportions.

Except as this stressor continues the elite class gather more and more of the pie. Owning everything, the two other classes merge as everyone becomes renters or homeless.


The best solution is a grand culling, to bring society down to numbers manageable by the system and a grand reset of credit, with the elite setting up a new fiat monetary system to fleece the labour of the bottom classes.


The new normal is just a reshuffling of the pack, and a new deal of the cards for those that survive, then back to the old normal once again.

[Brigantia]

I'm not going anywhere else as I can't afford to do so. However, through a quirk of fate I'm living in a small village where there is a lot of mutual support, we saw that in 2020 when the Coronacircus started and help was mobilised for the vulnerable to get their shopping and meds. Everyone pulls together here.

To be honest, I remember the same thing being said around 2010 or 2011 and I prepped as much as I could on groceries. It all got used later though when the dire events never happened! That said, things are taking a turn for the worse, but I'm prepping by expanding my garden to grow more food. I don't worry for myself, but for my cat seeing as most of our pet food is now imported; I'm prepping on that as it all has 2 year dates, but if that runs out I'll cook meat for her seeing as we have a few farmers here who could supply off-cuts.

I was also raised by parents who were kids during WW2, and their parents lived through both world wars. Their experiences have helped me greatly in being capable of improvising, making do and mending, and living on a tight budget. I think that if they could go through what they did, I can cope with whatever **** is thrown my way. I have the genes of survivors.

[Spiral]

This has made me think, do we need a UK preppers thread, due to the unique nature of being on an island where everything is overpriced, with no wilderness & no access to firearms for the vast majority of the population ?

There aren't many nations with the restrictions we have !

[Brigantia]

This has made me think, do we need a UK preppers thread, due to the unique nature of being on an island where everything is overpriced, with no wilderness & no access to firearms for the vast majority of the population ?

There aren't many nations with the restrictions we have !

Sounds good - we are the second most overcrowded country in Europe, with Luxembourg in first place! That means no cheap land or housing and very strict building regulations, apart from places like the most remote parts of Wales and Scotland where facilities are meagre - but communities are strong.

Quite a few European countries could relate to it as well. "Prepping on an overcrowded island"?

[Johnnycomelately]

Appreciate your thoughts!

Kudos, Mizo, for this thread. I have quite enjoyed reading the 18 comments above. Lots of care and astuteness and hope, and some good ideas.

I am in the stay, or wherever you happen to be, camp.

I get the value of trying to foresee danger, and working to mitigate. Seems like common sense. What I don’t want to do is entertain fear to the point of nurturing it.

People die. Whatever happens after that is up for debate, but I do not want to die in fear (or having a developed fearfullness for any thing).

Cheers. - John

[cannawizard]

but where to go?

moving to another place will not solve anything (except offer a temporary relief from the chaos/dysfunction) nor will it shield you from what is eventually going to occur.. its when humanity understands that what affects one person also affects us all, will things truly change for the better~

:sun:

[Forever]

Wherever you are is the place you need to be at this point in time.
Be
Here
Now

Everything WILL be ok.
Keeping this mindset is the basis of creating your own positive reality.

Along with the above affirmations, changing one’s outlook/view on a situation can be greatly beneficial in helping you realise that perhaps there isn’t a problem that you perhaps first felt there to be. This is ofc hugely subjective.

A good question to ask yourself, is “Is there a “problem” with the moment that I am experiencing right now?”

[Agape]

The timing of events is crucial but not “all important”.

We all seem to panic about the Time factor resting in uncertainty until we “know for sure”.
From realistic, intelligent perspective even most big events are predicable and lingering in the seismic bubble of Earth long before they happen.
It takes years, sometimes decades before social conflicts erupt to wars and by ignoring them and suppressing them they are not stopped.

The same is true for subtle and gross environmental changes and the amount of trash and pollution satiating vast layers of atmosphere, waters, oceans and soil.
People are perfectly aware of it but learn to close their eyes to it for decades, watching the situation worsening ,
they say to each other “mind your business” which is what it means, business creates capital, draws resources and leaves the trash for the Day of Judgement 😅

The masses of people participating in the mess who are mostly again, passive observers and involuntary participants will only say “we knew all the way along this - disaster/ was bound to happen. We have payed for our own mess, we have invited it, tolerated it, for the favour of being on par and in norm with the rest. This is our bad karma and we will pay for it all someday.”

Now is it important “when” is any major cataclysm going to happen ? They never start in one day, one month or a year, these events are uninterrupted continuity affecting millions and billions of people moment by moment.

It’s an individual decision and awareness of gravity of this human situation that called countless individuals out of the game in history , it’s happening now and will necessarily continue to the future ,
due to climatic, geophysical shifts and environmental changes human migration is unavoidable.

Waiting for something bigger to happen or for your neighbours to join along does not help to solve the problem, If “something big happens” everyone in densely populated areas struggle to get out the most. Your neighbours may have another time and plan of their own.

These things are upon each individual to decide but earlier you decide, more space and options left for you to look around “out there”.

It would be dangerous at this point, in our times to make this a “social movement”.

People moving out big cities abruptly closing their bank accounts would probably freak any programmed government out but ultimately,

this is one of our human rights and freedoms,

the right to leave the room,
the house,
the school
the factory
the monastery
the town
the village

the last human dwelling too
without being stopped and questioned
about identities and intents


Even if it’s our last right, read last rite we are still entitled to it now or at the end of our Day whichever is more important.

The right to breathe without being forcibly supervised, humiliated, talked down to and organized according to someone’s hundred years old systems of laws, like a slave, loyal servant of lost dynasty rather than a free man.

You choose


🤗

[mizo]

Thank you to all the posted viewpoints and opinions. There's a wealth of re-assurance here of hope and positiveness and realities to ponder.
I posted the opening thread knowing that I cannot at this point in time move to another country or indeed to another continent.

Firstly, I'd need to win a lottery or some long lost aunt left-us and decided to leave her entire estate to me:cocktail: to even contemplate upping sticks.
Second, we have 4 grown- up children two currently studying and doing well in university so we wouldn't relocate somewhere remote unless they come with us or had easy access to do so.

I have always been nomadic at heart, during my youth-hood - I'd be spending months at a time hitching-hiking or inter-railing all over Europe without fear or trepidation. Those days seemed so innocent now!

Both my wife (she's Eastern European) and me thought that one day we'd retire back to her homeland -but that at the moment with the speculation of localised unrest that would feel like jumping from the fire-pan into the fire.

We both like Scotland,plus, I have huge affinity for the country (apart from the bag-pipes:focus:) -maybe I had a previous life there who knows? Sadly, I feel the politics there are more insane there than here in England; plus again I'd need capital just move across the border.

There's often talk and speculation from many awake here in the UK about enclosed like-minded communes set up away from the cities, but if the **** truly hit the fan a few military drones could easily scupper that plan.

I do feel we're all in a transition of enlightenment maybe my place has been booked to stay put and enjoy or experience the ride whatever may come.

[Billy]

I moved from the city to the north west Highlands of Scotland 40 years ago. I live in a very remote area, my nearest neighbour is quarter of a mile away.
I eventually managed to be totally off grid with my ecoflow solar generator as my only source of power.
I have no intentions of moving anywhere else:sun:

48849

Please tell us more. Thank you.

Is it this thing (https://www.hampshiregenerators.co.uk/product/generators/portable-power-stations/ecoflow-delta-1300-portable-power-station/)?

https://www.hampshiregenerators.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/EcoFlow-Delta-Portable-Power-Station-600x600.jpg

What size (Watt rating) Solar Panels do you use, and how many panels in your array?

I see they sell 110W, 160W, 220W and 400W panels.

Anything to do with electricity, short of changing a fuse or wiring a plug, is a bit of a foggy area for me sadly.

Hi Ewan.
My device is the 600R pro. Which I have used daily for a year and a half now. It only has a 600 watts output, but that is sufficient for my needs, it charges all my battery operated devices, tablet, phone, radio, hoover, fan, gives me lights and I can watch endless videos ect.
I pledged for it on Kickstarter when it was first being promoted. I paid £490 for it.
I used to spend £30 a month on fuel for my petrol generator, so it has now paid for itself by not having to buy fuel.
My R600 has 3.500 charging recycles. I get around 5 days of use from fully charged.

I have the 110 watt solar panels, it can be charged from a mains, 12v car output, or my old petrol generator.
Ecoflow do not supply the one I have now, but they have brought out many new ones this past few months. Mostly for homes. 3.5 KW output which can be doubled up.

This is the one I have.

48853

https://uk.ecoflow.com/pages/portable-power-stations?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=UK_Always_ROI_Pmax_20220201&utm_content=All&gclid=CjwKCAjwgr6TBhAGEiwA3aVuIWJ1X9PZsQLjwQSpNPx6kPJB61OH9azh52dbo3ByAOSlv90L31mM9BoCcX4QAvD_BwE

[TomKat]

I noticed an increase in the doom and gloom scenarios recently, with so many commentaries advising that if you live in the West nations then its time to relocate.

Coming soon: Famine. Pestilence. Private property seizure. Lockdowns. Curfews. Food riots & civil wars- all happening within months. Jabbed will be dropping like flies. Aids epidemic and so on.

I actually know of a young couple that've just upped sticks and moved to Mexico.

But where to go?

Advice given- mainly relocate to South America or parts of Asia or similarly Africa. Move and possibly disappear to countries that are poorer than the west nations.

Here in the UK there's lots of talk about starting self sufficient communes moving to the countryside get off the grid so to speak; my thoughts are moving away from the cities is prolonging the agony, you cannot hide here!

What do you believe? Do we Run and hide- relocate if we can to places to escape the oncoming totalitarian rule?

Should we: stay and fight -would that be feasible? Or do we simply ignore the doomsday narratives -because it's not happening?

Do we ask Bill to make some room for us all in Ecuador:Angel:


Appreciate your thoughts!



Rumors should not be enough to cause you to move. It probably makes more sense to just keep an eye on things where you are and vote accordingly.

[Yetti]

Hi Mizo, my thinking about all this is that you can scape into a comune like group far away from the angry and starved mob from any big city , and must be at least on tank of gas away to begin with ,but: the big brother will going to demonize/criminalize you as a thread, and they have army, drones. and all kind of toys to get rid of you , so where to go? that"s the question, i have chosen a few spots (not going to reveal where) to go ,an tat's will be my plan. Advice :learn basic medicine and a second language at least

[Blastolabs]

No matter what happens I will still be right here

Here now with you all as usual

[xidaijena]

Yes, I see world news every day. It seems very dark now.
If I were you, I will try to find my faith first, such as who God is? What is my life's purpose？ What is my dream?
Second, do my job well, and live every day as the last day.
Believe in the Greatest Creator, believe in Karma, and try my/your best to live every day.:inlove:

[Bill Ryan]

From Gonzalo Lira, 5 minutes into a new 6 minute video. The logic is compelling, and I do think he may be correct.

If you're European, now's the time to leave.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IipVaMHDjcY

[avid]

Forewarned is forearmed, so let’s turn the tables on negativity and resolve issues soonest with diplomacy. Every country involved should prepare for independent living, agriculture, et al, and support those trying to do the same. Less reliance on globalistic economies, as charity should begin at home.
Grow your own, and support those who are being left ‘high and dry’ by enabling them to grow their own via wells, and teaching them to manage their own infrastructure, as in the past.
Not long ago, my folks grew their own food, that was normal, they bartered for ingredients, so we can exist without chocolate, sweeties and supermarkets.
Love a chicken, get an egg!!! Etc etc….

[Isserley]

Forewarned is forearmed, so let’s turn the tables on negativity and resolve issues soonest with diplomacy. Every country involved should prepare for independent living, agriculture, et al, and support those trying to do the same. Less reliance on globalistic economies, as charity should begin at home.
Grow your own, and support those who are being left ‘high and dry’ by enabling them to grow their own via wells, and teaching them to manage their own infrastructure, as in the past.
Not long ago, my folks grew their own food, that was normal, they bartered for ingredients, so we can exist without chocolate, sweeties and supermarkets.
Love a chicken, get an egg!!! Etc etc….

I agree! It is not hard -> my parents have chickens, garden, orchards, olive groves.. they even had goats and pigs few years back and it was more than enough. They barely go to supermarkets and it is only for things they could probably do without.
Maybe this situation is not entirely bad thing.
This shortage will shift the paradigm (if it occurs), and we need change because the current attitude towards food that people in developed countries have is everything but healthy.