Russophobia: why do so many people in the west hate and fear Russia?

[Bill Ryan]

There's been quite a lot of interesting discussion about this in the alt media, and I've been meaning to post about it for some time. The prompt for me today was a short new video by Gonzalo Lira, shared at the foot of this post.

But you definitely don't need to watch Gonzalo's video to have an opinion about this. As he states right up front (and rightly, too), the Russians have been masters of literature and classical music, having produced some of the most exalted artistic works in human history. And in science, they have had (and still have) some of the very brightest and best minds on the planet.

A month ago I posted (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1491565&viewfull=1#post1491565) a segment of a Scott Ritter interview in which he shared how when he was on a lengthy UN assignment in Russia many years ago, he discovered that the Russians he met there, and in some cases got to know extremely well, were (a) very human, (b) most likeable, and (c) shared many if not all of his personal values.

His experience there changed his entire view of the Russian people — having been trained as a US Marine to hate them unquestioningly.

Do listen to this, starting in at 25:05. I promise you that this 10 minute segment is 100% solid gold.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpKmbjhuk0
As I've mentioned once or twice before, I've been to Russia a couple of times attending conferences, and visiting various interesting people whom I organized to spend time talking with. I still have Russian friends, and every single person I met, without exception, was just the finest human being.

Here's Gonzalo's video — but the more important one I think is Scott Ritter's above, starting at 25:05. Once more, I do MOST highly recommend that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er3pfCP2_vU
:grouphug:

[Mike]

I can only speak for my friends and family. And I've never heard any of them once say anything hateful about Russia. Never once have they waved an angry fist in the air and declared, "You know what's pissing me off today? Those Goddamn Russians! I hate 'em!":)

Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard them say anything at all about Russia...good or bad. It's on the other side of the world, and people here have their own problems to deal with.

The people that do hate Russia here in the U.S., or think they do, are mostly just regurgitating government propoganda. They're feeling and saying what they think they should be feeling and saying. But even those types are rare, at least in my orbit. In fact I can't recall a single time coming across anyone ranting and raving about the "evil" Russians. People will blame them when it's politically convenient but it's not any kind of real, deep hatred or anything. It's just the superficial variety

Obviously with the situation in Ukraine there is now more anti Russia sentiment than usual. But even that is overblown. It's mostly anti-Putin sentiment.

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks for posting this Bill. My favorite art and classical music is Russian, Rachmaninoff my favorite composer.

I play Ice Hockey with many Russians over the years and still do. All of them are fine people.

However this is not now or ever about the people. This is about governments and power brokers, not citizens.

it's all brainwashing and propaganda that have people hating Russia, even to the point of wanting Russian cats removed from cat shows.

Did you ever hear of anything more embarrassingly stupid?

[DeDukshyn]

I watched a video clip of a cop pulling over a guy for running a stop sign or something, and then the guy tried to blame it on Putin ... lol. The vilification of Russia has become so commonplace an normalized, people actually are starting to think they can blame everything bad that happens to them on Russia, because we all know from watching the corporate media that Russia is to blame for everything bad ... gas prices too high? Russia. Extreme inflation? Russia. Food shortages? Russia. Freedom convoy? Russia. Free speech threatened? Russia.

I just can't believe how stupid people are in general to not see how all this scapegoating is only being projected on to us so we don't have to realize the huge nefariousness of our current western media and our "leadership" ... if you can call it that.

[Harmony]

In my own family I have never heard a bad word about Russians being any different than any other "group" of people in the world. I do know other people who had very bad experiences in their past that were from neighbouring countries to Russia during times of conflict.


During times of conflict terrible things can happen to any country. In Australia many people who came back from WWII had sad stories about their treatment from the Japanese soldiers and they found it hard to say something good about the Japanese because of what happened to them. The following generations in Australia don't seem to carry that fear any more. With all the wars, there was a portrayed enemy when you think back through history, and for each country they were "taught" to "see" an enemy. Sometimes defensive action was warranted other times better ways could have been used to solve problems.

Now many folk have realised how their soldiers were "used" to manipulate the power struggles in the world by sometimes unknown powers. That does not take away from many very brave and self sacrificing, honourable missions soldiers and secret spies, the woman and men in their home countries holding the line to keep their families safe permformed. Each were doing what they thought was best and right in that time. Most families, including my own have members that were or are in the military and did their duty for their countries.


I doubt wheather there is any innocent Nations in the world that haven't manipulated or been manipulated. I think that is what Project Avalon is all about, uncovering what is really going on.

[gini]

These anti Russia sentiments seem to be artificialy created by some politicians & medea in the last years for obvious political reasons.
For a succesfull war the leaders need the population to hate the enemy.But as far as i can see its not working,they overestimated their power to get the people hot for a worldwar.
People had enough of war and hating another nation is an outdated old fashion thing, and thats where the leaders underestimate the people,thats their lesson;they lost touch with everyday reality and they wanna hold on to their powers to continue their old way of living,they cant give up ,or it will be their downfall.so for them its everything or nothing,so they try to drag us all into this wordwar until they realise that it wont work anymore.,their old world is on its way out....;
and the new world has arrived already :peace:--3-oLjVmy8Fo

[Isserley]

I doubt anyone with a half-functional brain would hate or fear Russian (or any) civilians. On the other hand, to start a war governments are trying to brainwash people - create an invisible enemy. I want to believe that it is getting harder for them to do that today.

[shaberon]

...even to the point of wanting Russian cats removed from cat shows.

Did you ever hear of anything more embarrassingly stupid?



Equal to, yes. It definitely has contenders. But top shelf product is so strong, that, no, it is hard to tell if any of them could possibly be "more".



Similarly, if I removed Russia from the thread title, it would be left as why do so many people in the west hate and fear?


And then we can turn around and ask, do Russian people sit around and do that? I doubt they do.

I have had the ability to encounter various breeds of bigotry, but I personally have never heard anything about Russia. I have never really asked either, I don't know, it could have been sleeping.

My current outlook is becoming that it is hype because the important part is not the Russians, but, whatever is actually in Ukraine.

It may have been the pinnacle potential of one world dominance, at least according to Brzenski.

The Security Council (https://tass.com/politics/1448191) has been treated to a session of video statements from evacuated civilians and all of the context that goes with it.

Operationally I believe we are seeing Project for a New American Century--i. e. such as can be shown to be projecting interest in all of the countries hosting similar bio-labs--evidently combined with some British business that is in Ukraine. This kind of thing does not have much public support. And so I have yet to become aware of anything other than a press-regurgitated political propaganda. It does say that the item in charge of the country has a 30% approval rating, and then we are left with a generally-accurate presumption there probably is a 15% extremist minority that really believes these beliefs, and I have just never met any.

Ukraine is a spectacular Totentanz combining what would ordinarily be distinguished as Nazism and Zionism. We have that, in a sick mess with medical stuff, which you may identify with Jesuitry and Catholicism. There are some hateful forces out there, but, almost by definition, they fail to "represent the people".

Because Fascism is Capitalism, we can see such an explanation from what I think is Romanian:


Fratele meu sclav la fascistul capitalist roman sau gunoi anglo saxon,in curand Dacia va fi eliberata de capitalismul fascist sclavagist marca Roschild iar noi vom fi liberi sa incatusam si sa trimitem scarbavnicul fascisto-capitalist acolo unde ii este locul in lagare de munca asa cum ne-a pus el scursura pentru mizerabilul lui profit personal pe sclavia,lacrimile,durerea si chinul nostru al clasei muncitoare ! Mama Rusia ne va elibera din nou de fascistul capitalism asa cum a facut-o in 1945 !



Clearly, beginning with the Boer War and ever since, all western aggression has been an act of Capitalism.

No question about it/they having extremist hatred, but I have never seen anyone display Russo-phobia in any way. There might have once been a dislike of Soviet Communists, which faded away in my era. Right now I think it is a massive cover-up stage.

[mizo]

Met many Russian people worked with a few, made memorable connections never found any issues or problems as like most citizens worldwide, if I'd had to pin down any unique traits: I would say they're usually straight talkers with a self-deprecating sense of humour that I have always found rather appealing.

[Matthew]

Deliberate divisiveness in bad-faith. The fear machine switched from Covid to Ukraine overnight. Russia is the 1980's cold-war villain which tPtb invoked as a divisive scapegoat to cover their own shenanigans over the last few years; Russia is the boogie man behind anything amiss apparently. I think the reason there is Russophobia is because people have been told to think that by a carefully orchestrated media/government conspiracy.

[T Smith]

This one is easy to answer, IMHO. It's not a complicated question and it seems to me there is really a very simple explanation.

Q: Why do so many people in the West hate and fear Russia?

A: Because they've been programmed to.

It's as simple as that. The question of why they have been programmed to hate and fear Russia is little more complicated and complex...

[Agape]

To me it looks like work of intel agencies and from bigger part, their own legal and rogue intel operations ,
people always fear domination being taken upon them, silent acquisition of power .

There seem to be elements in their society, big men who want to be feared and respected, perhaps : declared equal to their American counterparts ,
perhaps they want to be talked to and understood like most of the other men in the world and while their soul is ignored they seem to stay in off site watching the game.

Quite like the rest of big people around waiting to be mothered with love so those smiles melt and face masks fall off on faces of future delegations of Peace.

Is it it all they ever swore to,
after WWII and since.

How deep a resentment with anyone who has lied to us even once , with a government that failed to love its own people ,
with hand landing on your innocent face in a slap.


Can’t be called “collective karma” forever 🙏


It’s a choice of each individual on this Planet to express their Soul and Will accordingly in harmony with their own intelligence now in this moment or any other.


Hatred is purely a result of ignorance and mutual widespread illiteracy even unwillingness to learn about the rest of nations and people on this Planet,
lack of interest in the ecosystem by creating more borders and making cooperation difficult and politically dependant , ignorance breeding hatred and fear.


Just realize one thing: there are no two individuals on the Planet that would be completely the same including twins. Everyone is unique.

We all are unique and all our human ancestors have migrated many times all over the world and changed tribal and civilisation markers many times before they claimed the historically latest territory and ethnicity , not quoting their Jewish aunt on grandmothers side :)


Dissolve borders and world shall rest in peace.

💫

[Waldo]

My brother went to work for Hugh's Aircraft after graduating from college in 1979, he stayed there until he retired at 56 and by then it was Directv. When he was getting his security clearance to work on SDI in the Hugh's days I would call him at work and in my best Rusky accent I would say "This is Boris calling, do you have the information for me?" He would get upset and say shut up they could be listening and I would reply OK comrad I'll call you later.

I can tell you that after living in SoCal all his life and doing what he did he is an off the charts Trump hating neolib, just as bad as the neocons, he even accuses me of being a Putin puppet and even reminds me of how I used to call him at work as proof of me being a communist Putin lover, I'm serious he actually believe that. He told me when he retired he was going to become a news junkie and I assume he is an MSNBC addict. I recall talking to him years ago after he retired about Russia and in an arrogant angry way he told me "We kicked Their Asses". I think he still lives in the cold war mindset and on top of that has become an extreme lefty. At one time I feared the evil empire but after doing some reading of history and understanding the nature of man I personally do not think Putin is the bad guy in all of this. I agree with Scott Ritter, people no matter where they happen to live just want to raise a family and enjoy life. I have some dear friends that are Russian and they are wonderful people.

[Strat]

It's kind of boggling to hear this. Nobody speaks of Russians unless they're regurgitating the news and those people are in the minority. People have been hating on the US (and my people and culture, under the guise of "it's the gov't not the people" same old tired line) since internet forums were invented, I think Russia is just now getting a taste of that.

This 'problem' is just like the 'ism' problems in the US - it's rarely a problem but the media/internet shoves it in your face and tries to make it a problem.

Scott Ritter speak for yourself. I know plenty of Marines that will gladly set you straight, suggesting that Marines are trained to hate is completely unfair.

[Satori]

To state the obvious, most often people hate and fear (x, y and z) because they've been told, and perpetually indoctrinated, to hate and fear (x, y and z).

[I am B]

My chick is a rather successful Russian Youtuber, yet
so far she barely got a single random "Slava Ukraine" Comment. The rest is but people empathising, being thankful for her doing her thing despite the context, and talking about how unfair it is to make every Russian person justify or apologise personally. The shared guilt it is.

Although it is true I've personally heard some nasty comments on the street (literally), I believe it is proof of the non compliance principle. "There are no wars if there is no one fighting them."

As much as the situation is not completely biased right now imho, I wonder though how that could completely change in a big turn of events. A small nuke and a sprinkle of perfectly calculated propaganda like they do, and they could have 99% of the people wherever they wanted. Fear makes people manipulable. And it goes for both sides.

[shaberon]

My brother went to work for Hugh's Aircraft after graduating from college in 1979...


I think it is a mini-game like the revolving doors of politicians with the defense industry.

That probably would have happened to me. If I had been more of a "serious" person, I would have chased "better" jobs like that making weapons and so on, and I can easily believe that someone who does, folds themself into an anti-Russian, anti-Communist, or any other prevailing mood of the place. Again, this falls back into the foundation that our legal systems, businesses, and so on, are made of Satan, and you can find out about that one way or another, like Mr. Ritter. Coddled in California, you probably wander the valley of delusion and never do.


I just saw an ad that a local brewery is throwing a party as a fundraiser for Ukraine. On the face of it, that is neutral to good, presuming in some way it means humanitarian assistance for civilians. One cannot be sure if it means one way or another, anything like "this donut was brought to you by anti-Russian hate"--the only way to find out is to walk in and ask around. A small business doing this is possibly more honest than some big company, for example, pouring money into AIDS research and yet following discrimination and favoritism and so forth anyway. Less duplicity when someone doesn't have various departments or other companies to be doing additional work.

Around here, I am sure there is some echelon of defense industry supporters, who might throw such a party; or, it could be the honest kind. I cannot personally monitor them all. If I am able to find something that is artificially hateful, I can trample it. I cannot affect the flow of professional propaganda, but I can accomplish a lot by confrontation of an individual, or even a group, I am not sure how large. The difficulty is flushing them out of their hidey holes. This is kind of easy with respect to Zionism, but, so far, I have yet to encounter Zio-Nazism leading to Russian prejudice.

The U. S. govt. that seems to back it, is rushing to a whirlwind of difficulty. UK and EU govts. appear to be able to steamroller anyone in their way. But they are the ones who started Catholicism and Zionism. So again I suspect whatever is deeply rooted, is mostly over there, whereas outside of the PNAC mentality, the sentiment is not very American, if it is really even there at all.

[Denise/Dizi]

It's kind of boggling to hear this. Nobody speaks of Russians unless they're regurgitating the news and those people are in the minority. People have been hating on the US (and my people and culture, under the guise of "it's the gov't not the people" same old tired line) since internet forums were invented, I think Russia is just now getting a taste of that.

This 'problem' is just like the 'ism' problems in the US - it's rarely a problem but the media/internet shoves it in your face and tries to make it a problem.

Scott Ritter speak for yourself. I know plenty of Marines that will gladly set you straight, suggesting that Marines are trained to hate is completely unfair.

I couldn't agree more.

I have grown long tired of those in media outlets, telling me how I feel about anything... Or how I SHOULD FEEL, Based upon their opinions, beliefs, or worse.... deliberate negative narratives...

I do hope that all members of all nations, begin to think for themselves, rather than to continue to buy into propaganda... and even more so, begin to recognize propaganda for what it is

To Russians, I do not hate nor fear you... Nor do I want to war with you....

It is all, very much out of control... And people are beginning to get tired of such grandstanding... It's time we have some REAL LEADERS...

Hopefully, there will come a day, when the population at large who can "get along", will wake up and hold their "Leaders" to the same accountability. Why do we have those in positions of power, who refuse to "Get Along"? Would the general population go to war and kill others for the same reasons? Or work harder to demand peaceful interactions?

[graciousb]

What we would do without an ''enemy?" Status quo demands it. "If my sons did not want war, there would be none.'' Rothschild quote 1812. (Enemies are invented).

[Antagenet]

Hatred = a combination of fear and envy

[shaberon]

Here is an article which speaks for itself because it is about a guy manufacturing this stuff, and, has a few bits where he is gloating about the success that are thoroughly fiendish. Same scenario but I was not aware of this Malloch Brown (https://southfront.org/lord-malloch-brown-and-soros-the-british-hand-behind-the-us-coup-revealed/). This is vaguely reminiscent of the British fellow whose name I can't remember who came in 1980 to make sure that Regan made a big deal about the Mujahideen ("Russian quagmire" of the time):



Since 2000 Mules is going viral, I thought it prudent to re-publish an article that I had written in December 2020 in order to present the evidence of the British hand which managed the coup that saw a cultish technocratic takeover of the White House. The star performers in this drama will be a Don Quixote/Sancho Panza team of George Soros and Lord Mark Malloch Brown.

The British Hand Behind the Coup

Throughout the four-year drama of Russiagate, the hand of British intelligence has revealed itself continuously.

From the obvious role of Sir Richard Dearlove and his former MI6 underlying Christopher Steele who together played a driving role in shaping the dodgy dossier, to their involvement with Oxford Rhodes Scholar Strobe Talbott in composing, promoting and marketing the fraudulent dossier to targeted members of Congress and media, to British Ambassador Sir Darroch caught “flooding the zone” with British intelligence assets to shape Trump’s perception of the world, to the array of British entrapment operations that targeted Michael Flynn as early as 2014 in London… wherever one looks, the hand of British intelligence seems to be everywhere.

While vast effort is made to downplay the British roots of the deep state by the media which tends to portray this problem from a partisan narrative of “democratic party corruption”, this sleight of hand misses the causal nexus and demands we believe that the tail truly wags the dog.

The uncomfortable truth which many are either too afraid, lazy or corrupt to admit is that since the moment John F Kennedy died on November 22, 1963, both the Democratic and Republican Parties have undergone a slow take-over by this foreign parasite. The thing that has come to be known as the “deep state” was never based on one party or another, and never emanated from anything native to the Constitutional traditions of the US government itself as I outlined in my previous article “Understanding the Trifold Nature of the Deep State”.

While the Republican party of George Bush was in power, this deep state had used its controls of computerized vote counting to rig elections in 2000 and 2004 in its favor as showcased brilliantly in the 2006 documentary Hacking Democracy. Later, when it was time for a controlled opposition to take power in 2008, it did the same thing under a different cast of characters.

While one side of the unipolar world government agenda was driven by a view that the USA should forever be the primary global police force governing a zero sum system of perpetual war, with an unelected elite managing the system from above, the other side believed that the USA should surrender its claims to sovereignty to an international global body with unelected technocrats and financiers at the top managing the zero sum system of perpetual war from above.

Notice the common denominator?

Election Theft as Russiagate 5.0

Now that it has become increasingly clear that mass election fraud has swept across the USA in an effort to accomplish what four years of Russiagate failed to achieve, yet another light has fallen upon the British hand behind Biden which aims to dissolve any nationalist spirit remaining in the embattled republic.

As I outlined in my last report, the largest private computer voting system in the USA which services 30 states and 70 million voters was shown to be at the heart of the current election theft. In that article, it was made clear that Dominion Voting Systems is a Canadian company which dominates the USA’s private computerized voting systems and is closely tied to another larger company called Smartmatic whose operating systems, and even software it absorbed during Obama’s administration.

For those still out of the loop, Smartmatic furnishes voting machines and its software (backdoor codes and all) to governments all around the world and is highly enmeshed with the Clinton Foundation, Soros’ Open Society and Nancy Pelosi’s very own Chief of Staff.

Not only that, but the key figure controlling Smartmatic is none other than Lord Mark Malloch Brown, a former vice chairman of George Soros’ Investment Funds (2007), as well as Soros’ Open Society Institute and World Economic Forum, former Vice President at the World Bank (1995-1999), UN Administrator for Development (1999-2005), UN Deputy Secretary General and UK Minister of State for Africa, Asia and the UN (2007-2009). These are just a few hats he has worn in recent years which we will explore in greater detail.

Lord Malloch Brown: Not Your Typical British Agent

Through his lifelong affiliation with Soros, Lord Malloch Brown (Knight of the Order of St George and St Michael) played the role of color revolutionary godfather and key controller of such “technocrat friendly puppet leaders” as Corazon Aquino as well as her son Benigno Aquino III of the Philippines, Georgia’s George Saakashvili and even the hapless talking ego Barack Obama.

After working through an extended “apprenticeship” under the cover of UN aid worker, and marauding journalist for the London Economist, Malloch Brown found himself working for a Washington consulting firm named Sawyer Miller in 1985. It was at this time Malloch Brown was deployed to become the advisor and speech writer to Philippine opposition leader Corazon (Cory) Aquino under the supervision of then Secretary of State George Shultz. Corazon was a darling of the western establishment but had the nearly impossible task of challenging the popular nationalist President Ferdinand Marcos who had steered his country into economic sovereignty in opposition to international financiers for since his inauguration in 1965.

Applying all of the arts of perception management and marketing, Malloch Brown took control of Aquino’s campaign transforming it into the “People Power Revolution” that was in many ways the first successful color revolution of our modern times. Knowing that votes would likely favor the incumbent Marcos, Malloch Brown wrote that he drafted Aquino’s victory speech before the elections and had her deliver it before votes were even finalized- and which accomplices in the media were all too happy to project publicly fueling the mythology that Corazon had won.

Describing these events years later, Malloch Brown said: “An outstanding accomplishment during the Cory campaign was to produce an exit poll that indicated that she had won. It landed on the front page of the Inquirer and had a profound impact as it planted the idea that Aquino had won over Marcos… Marcos did not really recover after that. It was a very exciting experience to watch.”

Malloch Brown failed to mention that the “polling station results” which produced the false perception that Corazon had won were manipulated by George Shultz’s local agents survey firms Social Weather Station, and Pulse Asia which have never been held accountable for their role in the anti-Marcos coup.

Shock Therapy

Soon after this “accomplishment”, Malloch Brown began working closely with George Soros on a number of projects that radically altered the world during the intense period of transition from a bi-polar to unipolar age.

In 1993, Soros had only recently carried out a speculative attack on the British pound sterling which resulted in $1 billion profit to the Hungarian speculator while providing the UK with a convenient excuse to avoid walking into the Euro trap which it had set for other European targets entering into the “post-nation state epoch”. In 1994, Soros announced a $50 million grant for “democracy building” operations in Macedonia and Bosnia which Malloch Brown was hired to administer as part of the Shatalin Shock therapy agenda.

From 1993-1994, Malloch Brown was part of the Soros Advisory Committee on Bosnia where advanced the Balkanization projects of the 1990s. In 1998, Malloch Brown also co-founded Soros’s International Criminal Court (ICC) after the duo had created the International Crisis Group (ICG) in 1994. These institutions served to 1) shape “international perception” of the causes and solutions to “crises”, real or fabricated and 2) advocate solutions that removed sovereignty in military and judicial affairs from sovereign nation states where they had been enshrined in the UN Charter, Nuremburg laws and UN Declaration of Human Rights, to supranational unelected organizations under the control of “experts”.

As Vice President of the World Bank from 1995-1999 he took credit for transforming its image to a more democratic organization, and from 1999-2005 led in the creation of the Millennium Development Goals which increasingly tied UN funding to George Soros’ Open Society operations internationally (during his time in New York, Malloch Brown lived on an estate owned by Soros).

R2P and More Color Revolution

During this period, Malloch Brown was among the earliest advocates of Responsibility to Protect (R2P) and did more than anyone else to incorporate the doctrine into United Nations “post-Westphalian” governance outlook in 2005 as UN Deputy Secretary General (2005-2006).

Demonstrating his imperial outlook on March 2011, the self-proclaimed “pacifist” grew impatient of nations who were reticent to blow up Libya and wrote in the Financial Times: “declare victory and get on with ousting Gadhafi”.

As co-chair of the International Crisis Group (which was born of seed money from Soros and on whose board of trustees sit Larry Summers, Joe Biden’s advisor Jake Sullivan and both George and Alexander Soros) Malloch Brown supported the narco-terrorist linked Kosovo Liberation Army which was also propped up by both the CIA and NATO during the Bosnia crisis coordinating closely with his Rhodes Scholar colleague Strobe Talbott who referred to Soros in 1995 as “a national resource—indeed, a national treasure.”

Describing Talbott, Malloch Brown recently wrote: “Strobe Talbott, is a very old friend of mine and in some ways a similar sort of practitioner and theoretician of globalisation… As such he really understood the hidden back-story of modern politics, which always gets shoved out of view by the more familiar story of nation-states.”

After bankrolling Georgia’s Rose Revolution in 2003 that put Soros’ Saakashvili in power, the Georgian state was rendered ungovernable due to a mix of vast incompetence and corruption. Here, Soros and Malloch Brown again came to the rescue by organizing a January 2004 event in New York that garnered $1.5 million for Georgian government reform programs (75% from Soros’ Open Society and 25% from the UN Development Program headed by Brown). The UNDP report justified the expense that was to pay Saakashvili’s salary as well as top government officials, and security forces when it said: “Georgia lacked the skilled professionals needed to design and execute sweeping reforms”.

The fact that these actions led to the murder of 1,600 in South Ossetia (mostly Russians) in 2008 and nearly triggered WWIII should not be forgotten, nor should Saakashvili’s nefarious role as Governor of Odessa (2015-16) where the convicted felon protected neo Nazis of the Azov Battalion. Similarly, the strange rise in popularity of Saakashvili underway in Georgia should make anyone with half a brain more than a little concerned.

Handler of Team Obama

On February 24, 2008, Samantha Power, husband to Harvard behaviorist Cass Sunstein and soon-to-be Ambassador to the UN under Obama gave an interview to the London Times describing the Malloch Brown-Obama connection in glaring detail. In this interview, Power said: “The principal conduit between Britain and the Candidate [Obama] has been Lord Malloch Brown, the Junior Foreign Minister, whom Obama came to admire when he [Malloch Brown] was Deputy Secretary General of the United Nations, Obama was really taken with him. It’s a relationship that has persisted and they have talked a number of times since.”

Indeed, Obama’s political career, like Saakashvili’s and Aquino’s, was always a creation of higher powers with Soros even providing the first $60,000 for Obama’s 2004 Senate run and then organizing the earliest fundraising parties for Obama’s Presidential run in 2007.

Samantha Power herself attributed her career to Soros and Lord Brown saying in 2004: “My book and my research was utterly unsustainable on the free market. If I hadn’t been able to get a grant from George Soros and the Open Society Institute, there is no way I could have done the kind of investigative reporting I needed to do”.

The Case of Cass Sunstein

While Power spent her time in the UN fighting viciously to push a pre-emptive P2P humanitarian regime change on Libya and later Syria, her husband Cass Sunstein worked as an advisor to Obama from 2009-2012 and authored a paper addressing the dangerous rise of “conspiracy theories” which threaten his idea of good government. Sunstein wrote “the existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest, is no trivial matter, posing real risks” and recommended “a series of possible responses” which include cognitive infiltration of conspiracy groups by government agents.

Additionally five options are developed by Sunstein:

“(1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counter speech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counter speech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help”

On August 24, 2020 Sunstein was tapped to chair the World Health Organization’s Technical Advisory Group mandated with modifying global behaviour in compliance with the new norms of the pandemic world order. The WHO chief stated “In the face of the COVID-19 pandemic, countries are using a range of tools to influence behavior: Information campaigns are one tool, but so are laws, regulations, guidelines and even fines…That’s why behavioral science is so important.”

Lord Brown in the Obama Era

In 2007, Malloch Brown left the UN to head up Soros’ Quantum Hedge Fund- a lucrative post which he soon left to join the British Foreign Office as Minister of State for Africa, Asia and the UN from 2007-2009.

After leaving his position in the UK government in 2009, Lord Malloch Brown went on to consult oil companies and steer his International Crisis Group. By this time, the ICG had a near monopoly on drafting anonymously published reports of international crisis hotspots priding itself on maintaining armies of “on the ground” specialists who could profile all disputing parties and release their assessments on the international market. These reports have been used by governments, NGOs, corporations, and international bodies like the UN and have played a major role in shaping global policy and perceptions of the causes and remedies to conflict.

Utilizing his expertise in vote fraud and perception management, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that Malloch Brown soon found himself at the helm of SGO Corporation Ltd in 2014 which serves as a holding company whose main asset is Smartmatic voting technologies. Smartmatic sells itself as having “handled more than 3.7 billion votes over the past 14 years in election projects on five continents” and while it denies having activities directly on US soil, a screenshot from the Way Back Machine demonstrates a very different story.

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Since 2010 Smartmatic has been found to have been at the heart of election fraud in Mexico, Venezuela, the USA, and the Philippines where the first Presidential election using this system resulted in the victory of Corazon Aquino’s son Benigno Aquino. After mountains of evidence have come to light of Smartmatic’s role in systemic fraud, the IBON Foundation called out Lord Brown as “a foreigner who has made a career out of influencing elections”.

It is an irony of history that not only did Lord Malloch Brown install a second generation cardboard cut tout into power in the Philippines, but deployed his voting system to undermine the popular Ferdinand Marco Jr in favor of the Liberal Party’s Len Robredo during the 2016 elections. Luckily in the same year that Trump was to beat the system via his landslide popular victory in the USA, a similar victory occurred in opposition to all odds when nationalist President Duterte took office and later demanded the Philippines rid itself of Smartmatic tech.

Lord Malloch Brown’s Ultimate Obsession

Speaking to the World Government Summit of June 2020 alongside Cass Sunstein and an array of other Davos-creatures, Lord Malloch Brown expressed his disdain for the rise of the multipolar alliance led by Russia, China and Trump’s USA which has obviously endangered his life’s work. Malloch Brown hypocritically attacks China for being a regime which has no respect for individual rights and only a concern for “the many”, and then calls out the rise of authoritarian governments “Russia, China, India, Turkey, Hungary and the USA” which he believes must be stopped at all costs saying:

“In the wider world a more authoritarian form of government is the new majority. It is not China alone. This “new majority” embraces leaders who come to power by the ballot box and those who didn’t, but who all share a preference for a nationalist foreign policy, the weakening of domestic institutions and the rule of law”

Malloch Brown obviously felt very comfortable with his audience and assumed no one would think about the obvious hypocrisy of his admitting that these “new majority” nationalists often come to power “by the ballot box” and thus emblemize democratic principles, while his social engineering defense of individual liberties and freedom of choice always occurs outside of the democratic volition of the plebs who are obviously considered to dumb to know what is good for them and also at the expense of the many who must be sacrificed in wars, regime change and anarchy “for the greater good”.

These hypocrisies were made even more obvious in a more recent October 26, 2020 keynote speech on the topic of the UN at 75: Slow Death or New Direction? In this speech, Lord Brown calls for the creation of reformed United Nation to avoid its obsolescence by getting rid of the Security Council which has prevented necessary humanitarian actions due to the insufferable veto held by Russia and China. When asked how the veto may be abolished, Lord Brown admits that nations will never acquiesce and so “the only way you’re going to get these entrenched members to embark on this is to make them largely irrelevant… we have to work around the security council.”

How would anyone be expected to “work around the Security Council” you may ask?

Here Lord Brown answers by calling for the empowerment of “civil society clusters” and “civil society mosaic” that can harness energy coalition of non-state actors. Brown states: “Building variegated coalitions of state and non-state actors willing to be first movers on different parts of this agenda is not a new path to action in the UN. Now it needs to be turbo charged. The world won’t wait for the most plodding and resistant nations to sigh up to action”.

Calling the UN Human Rights Council “not fit for purpose” due to its “steady capture” by Russia, China and Cuba who won seats on the body this year, Lord Brown lamented the greatest threat to his vision for a post-national world: “the failures we all individually made pale compared to just the fact that nation states have ultimately- particularly the bigger and more powerful ones- resisted conceding power and sovereignty and decision making to this multilateral body.”

This is the British hand behind the current phase of Russiagate 5.0 which has come closer to its objectives of running an American coup than at any other moment during the past four years. This is the vision of a dystopic post-nation state world order managed by mis-anthropic technocrats who wish to lord over a technetronic feudal dark age in the 21st century and beyond.

In a future segment we will look more closely at the figure of the late Maurice Strong and the self-induced destruction of western civilization over the past 50 years, and also the battle to resist a bankers’ coup in Britain over 300 years ago which holds peculiar lessons for our current age.

Matthew Ehret is the Editor-in-Chief of the Canadian Patriot Review , and Senior Fellow at the American University in Moscow. He is author of the ‘Untold History of Canada’ book series and Clash of the Two Americas trilogy. In 2019 he co-founded the Montreal-based Rising Tide Foundation .



Couple of responses:

There is still the avoidance of the “dynamic” driving all this crap that has our species on the threshold of a nuclear extinction event; the collapse of the British System itself. The only organized effort to expose this dynamic was from Lyndon LaRouche and his organization and that continues today.


This is actually that new British elite that overthrew their past elite. They want to bring a technocratic dictatorship. Rulers like Erdogan are not despised by the crimes they are doing but because they don’t bow down to them.

[Bill Ryan]

We don't have a forum section titled Racism, so Identity Politics will have to do.

A detailed intro to Russophobia may not be needed. It's everywhere around. World-class novelists, composers and artists who lived generations ago — not to mention cats, trees, and sportspeople — have all been banned through a propagandized divisive attitude that appears to be


Irrational
Hateful
Racist.

(Yes, racist. Racism isn't just about skin color.)

As Daria Dugina once said, many Americans say they hate Russia. But some of them can't find Russia on a map.

Where does all this Russophobia come from? Almost all Russians, with a excellent knowledge of history (and quite a few academic American and European historians too), would argue with detailed evidence that in WWII Hitler's Germany was primarily defeated by Russia, more so than by any other ally.

And now, monuments to those soldiers are being toppled (https://www.rferl.org/a/soviet-monument-destroyed-war-ukraine-russia/31823629.html). This isn't the principal topic of this thread, but I have to share some photos. They seem to speak volumes, and loudly too. :flower:

https://gdb.rferl.org/01e70000-0aff-0242-68b4-08da2836dfc4_w2455_r0_s_d3.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/01e70000-0aff-0242-7189-08da284acf0f_w2455_r0_s_d3.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/01e70000-0aff-0242-4618-08da2836e26c_w2455_r0_s_d3.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/01e70000-0aff-0242-ae35-08da2836d976_w2455_r0_s_d3.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/01e70000-0aff-0242-ffb1-08da2836d974_w2455_r0_s_d3.jpg

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[cursichella1]

This topic came up yesterday with the EU planning to ban Russian travelers.
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A nice Russian guy I know on Twitter replied, adding this:
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So the Russia phobia predates modern history, the Cold War and several factors have contributed to it. The Great Schism between the Eastern Church and Rome had something to do with it but there's definitely an ethnic factor. Apparently THAT kind of prejudice is cool. 😢🤬

[Patient]

The enemy of the people of the world have us all fighting amongst ourselves. I wish everyone could see through the smoke and mirrors.

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that a lot of the waves through the populations are resulting in us taking down any monument that was put there to honour those who fought back and made a difference. (regardless which side of the battle)

[jimbobule]

Read about Crimea war and see western powers backing Istanbul. Historically al about all geo politics with ignorance, inflammation, fear and religion mixed in and meddling of the West. It's still the same today.

[Mashika]

One thing i would like to point out

From my point of view, i have seen this since some time ago

It is not really that the phobia is 100% turned towards Russia, at least not in a conscious way, it is that most of the people 'infected' tend to think of the USSR as Russia, and they ignore the fact that the USSR was made of several countries, just like the EU is right now

So some of the stuff i see, like demolition of monuments to the Soviets who fought and defeated Germany, are meant to be 'Anti-Russia' but at the very core is 'Anti-Soviet' or 'Anti-USSR'. Because if you think about it, by demolishing a monument made for the Soviet heroes who defeated fascism, they are actually trying to erase the defeat of fascism itself, not Russian history. Ukrainians and other non-Russian people also fought fascism and won, those monuments represent them too, and their history and existence is also being erased, not just the Russian heroes of WW2, but all heroes of WW2, regardless of country or ethnicity

I see a general dislike against anything that reminds of how fascism was defeated, and then Russia used as an excuse to demolish those monuments, or piggy backing on the current hate against Russia to deliberately remove from history the fact that fascism lost WW2. An example of that is on some countries where the people refuse to allow the demolishing of the monuments, or what happened here

"Estonia Removes WWII Monuments to Prevent Russian Meddling"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-16/estonia-dismantles-wwii-monuments-to-prevent-misuse-by-russia

or this

"Latvia tears down a controversial Soviet-era monument in its capital."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/world/europe/latvia-soviet-monument.html


the monument was built in 1985 in Latvia’s capital, Riga, as a memorial to Soviet soldiers killed in World War II. Latvia was occupied by Nazi Germany in 1941, inaugurating the mass killing of Jews, Roma and those the Nazis deemed politically objectionable. Soviet forces ousted the Nazis in 1944, and Latvia remained under Soviet rule until regaining its independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved.

Soviet soldiers, not Russian soldiers, that monument represented way more than Russian soldiers, it represented the win against fascism, so by demolishing with the excuse of "Russia bad" they are actually erasing history and honors to the multiple nation soldiers that fought and died there

It's a fight to erase the lose of fascism, to erase the win of the Soviets against Germany and the axis. The government of those nations currently hysterically destroying monuments does not represent the people, they seem to be part of a movement of resentful closet-fascists hoping for some kind of renaissance of their past, and they see and blame the USSR (Equaling Russia) for their lose in WW2 in some cases, and use the current war and russia hate as an excuse in other cases

They don't, could not care less about Ukraine, they just piggy back on that to show their true colors and act on their repressed feelings and hopes

[Bill Ryan]

One thing i would like to point out

From my point of view, i have seen this since some time ago

It is not really that the phobia is 100% turned towards Russia, at least not in a conscious way, it is that most of the people 'infected' tend to think of the USSR as Russia, and they ignore the fact that the USSR was made of several countries, just like the EU is right now

So some of the stuff i see, like demolition of monuments to the Soviets who fought and defeated Germany, are meant to be 'Anti-Russia' but at the very core is 'Anti-Soviet' or 'Anti-USSR'. Because if you think about it, by demolishing a monument made for the Soviet heroes who defeated fascism, they are actually trying to erase the defeat of fascism itself, not Russian history. Ukrainians and other non-Russian people also fought fascism and won, those monuments represent them too, and their history and existence is also being erased, not just the Russian heroes of WW2, but all heroes of WW2, regardless of country or ethnicity

I see a general dislike against anything that reminds of how fascism was defeated, and then Russia used as an excuse to demolish those monuments, or piggy backing on the current hate against Russia to deliberately remove from history the fact that fascism lost WW2. An example of that is on some countries where the people refuse to allow the demolishing of the monuments, or what happened here

"Estonia Removes WWII Monuments to Prevent Russian Meddling"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-16/estonia-dismantles-wwii-monuments-to-prevent-misuse-by-russia

or this

"Latvia tears down a controversial Soviet-era monument in its capital."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/world/europe/latvia-soviet-monument.html


the monument was built in 1985 in Latvia’s capital, Riga, as a memorial to Soviet soldiers killed in World War II. Latvia was occupied by Nazi Germany in 1941, inaugurating the mass killing of Jews, Roma and those the Nazis deemed politically objectionable. Soviet forces ousted the Nazis in 1944, and Latvia remained under Soviet rule until regaining its independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved.

Soviet soldiers, not Russian soldiers, that monument represented way more than Russian soldiers, it represented the win against fascism, so by demolishing with the excuse of "Russia bad" they are actually erasing history and honors to the multiple nation soldiers that fought and died there

It's a fight to erase the lose of fascism, to erase the win of the Soviets against Germany and the axis. The government of those nations currently hysterically destroying monuments does not represent the people, they seem to be part of a movement of resentful closet-fascists hoping for some kind of renaissance of their past, and they see and blame the USSR (Equaling Russia) for their lose in WW2 in some cases, and use the current war and russia hate as an excuse in other cases

They don't, could not care less about Ukraine, they just piggy back on that to show their true colors and act on their repressed feelings and hopesDo you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be


Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
..... more ??

[Bill Ryan]

And I'll repost this (first shared here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1491408&viewfull=1#post1491408)), which I think is important and highly recommended. It's all about Scott Ritter's experience when he was first stationed in Russia — where, despite his Marine Corps indoctrination, he quickly grew to realize that all the Russians he met and worked with were both very human and very very likeable.

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The interview starts with a lengthy section in which Scott Ritter presents a summary of his career. At one point, he breezes past a quick moment when he describes how he was stationed as a weapons inspector in Russia for a two year period, which he said was "eye-opening". Then he quickly moved on, ending up talking about the history of the problems in Ukraine and the current military situation there. It was quite a monologue.

At 25:05, Scott Ritter comes to a halt, and after joking with him that he's already answered all his questions, Gerald Celente — who is clearly a better interviewer than I'd thought — is inspired enough to ask him in what way his two years in Russia as a weapons inspector was "eye-opening".

Wow. Folks, YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS PART if you possibly can.

His answer is about 10 mins long and worth every gold-plated second. It's one of the strongest pro-human, anti-war polemics I've ever heard, straight from the heart. It's emotional, but at the same time totally grounded, coming from someone whose attitudes were forged by hard-ass Marine Corps training.

It totally stopped me in my tracks and compelled me to make this post. I can't possibly recommend those 10 minutes too highly.

:heart:

[Mashika]

One thing i would like to point out

From my point of view, i have seen this since some time ago

It is not really that the phobia is 100% turned towards Russia, at least not in a conscious way, it is that most of the people 'infected' tend to think of the USSR as Russia, and they ignore the fact that the USSR was made of several countries, just like the EU is right now

So some of the stuff i see, like demolition of monuments to the Soviets who fought and defeated Germany, are meant to be 'Anti-Russia' but at the very core is 'Anti-Soviet' or 'Anti-USSR'. Because if you think about it, by demolishing a monument made for the Soviet heroes who defeated fascism, they are actually trying to erase the defeat of fascism itself, not Russian history. Ukrainians and other non-Russian people also fought fascism and won, those monuments represent them too, and their history and existence is also being erased, not just the Russian heroes of WW2, but all heroes of WW2, regardless of country or ethnicity

I see a general dislike against anything that reminds of how fascism was defeated, and then Russia used as an excuse to demolish those monuments, or piggy backing on the current hate against Russia to deliberately remove from history the fact that fascism lost WW2. An example of that is on some countries where the people refuse to allow the demolishing of the monuments, or what happened here

"Estonia Removes WWII Monuments to Prevent Russian Meddling"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-16/estonia-dismantles-wwii-monuments-to-prevent-misuse-by-russia

or this

"Latvia tears down a controversial Soviet-era monument in its capital."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/world/europe/latvia-soviet-monument.html


the monument was built in 1985 in Latvia’s capital, Riga, as a memorial to Soviet soldiers killed in World War II. Latvia was occupied by Nazi Germany in 1941, inaugurating the mass killing of Jews, Roma and those the Nazis deemed politically objectionable. Soviet forces ousted the Nazis in 1944, and Latvia remained under Soviet rule until regaining its independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved.

Soviet soldiers, not Russian soldiers, that monument represented way more than Russian soldiers, it represented the win against fascism, so by demolishing with the excuse of "Russia bad" they are actually erasing history and honors to the multiple nation soldiers that fought and died there

It's a fight to erase the lose of fascism, to erase the win of the Soviets against Germany and the axis. The government of those nations currently hysterically destroying monuments does not represent the people, they seem to be part of a movement of resentful closet-fascists hoping for some kind of renaissance of their past, and they see and blame the USSR (Equaling Russia) for their lose in WW2 in some cases, and use the current war and russia hate as an excuse in other cases

They don't, could not care less about Ukraine, they just piggy back on that to show their true colors and act on their repressed feelings and hopesDo you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be


Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
..... more ??


That's a hard one to answer :P

At least without sounding all conspiracy crazy and paranoiac

But i do have something to say, and it may or may not be right, i just know some people do tend to think this is a very real thing. In some of the less known political parties, and even in United Russia party at some levels, there is a very well accepted theory that the fascists never left, they just simply adapted and moved on with the times, while keeping their core values alive, under a complete framework of 'reality' adapted to the western values

In other words, they reformatted their ideology to be compatible with the western one, and eventually merged both into whatever we see today

So for these people (the other political parties in Russia, and the several in United Russia working hard in the background) you can equal modern western political movements and culture to a modern version of fascism

This is always proven right in their eyes by just looking at how media works in the US or the UK, for example. And how the western masses are so brainwashed they can't think properly, there's no critical thinking anymore, they can't identify anything but a childish good vs bad situation in all they see (or us vs them, with me or with them conditional environment)

People are conditioned and 'cancelled' and they lose it all if they even dare to question, and most people are in full compliance by now, they don't even think properly anymore. They will snitch on their neighbor because 'it's the right thing to do', they will happily throw stones (cancel) anyone if they see other people doing it, and they will celebrate if that person loses it all due to some random post on social media. This is no different than how it used to be on fascist countries. And the book burning has been reinstanted as well, in schools and libraries and online stores books are removed because they talk about things the government chose were not good enough for the people, and then you see teachers banning books on schools too, that's just one step behind from actually burning those books

When Russian politicians see this, they assume it is true that the west has been engulfed by fascism over decades and decades, and it was all planned this way, so now, repression, violence, ignorance, compliance or else, etc etc, equals "freedom and democracy" and anyone who thinks otherwise is 'malign' and 'communist' and everything else that goes with it

Also i can see that in Ukraine and even on the US, there is a growing trend to say that Russians are Nazi, and that anything that is Russian friendly, by association is Nazi friendly

Everything is backwards but since people have become so ignorant they can't know the difference anymore, this is the view that runs in underground political currents in Russia

We are not fighting against Ukraine, we are fighting against the same fascist machine from WW2, but under a new name and face (westernized), that's the general feeling

[Bill Ryan]

Do you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be


Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
..... more ??

That's a hard one to answer :P

At least without sounding all conspiracy crazy and paranoiac

But i do have something to say, and it may or may not be right, i just know some people do tend to think this is a very real thing. In some of the less known political parties, and even in United Russia party at some levels, there is a very well accepted theory that the fascists never left, they just simply adapted and moved on with the times, while keeping their core values alive, under a complete framework of 'reality' adapted to the western values

In other words, they reformatted their ideology to be compatible with the western one, and eventually merged both into whatever we see today

So for these people (the other political parties in Russia, and the several in United Russia working hard in the background) you can equal modern western political movements and culture to a modern version of fascism

This is always proven right in their eyes by just looking at how media works in the US or the UK, for example. And how the western masses are so brainwashed they can't think properly, there's no critical thinking anymore, they can't identify anything but a childish good vs bad situation in all they see (or us vs them, with me or with them conditional environment)

People are conditioned and 'cancelled' and they lose it all if they even dare to question, and most people are in full compliance by now, they don't even think properly anymore.

When Russian politicians see this, they assume it is true that the west has been engulfed by fascism over decades and decades, and it was all planned this way, so now, repression, violence, ignorance, compliance or else, etc etc, equals "freedom and democracy" and anyone who thinks otherwise is 'malign' and 'communist' and everything else that goes with it

Also i can see that in Ukraine and even on the US, there is a growing trend to say that Russians are Nazi, and that anything that is Russian friendly, by association is Nazi friendly

Everything is backwards but since people have become so ignorant they can't know the difference anymore, this is the view that runs in underground political currents in Russia

We are not fighting against Ukraine, we are fighting against the same fascist machine from WW2, but under a new name and face (westernized), that's the general feelingWow, what a great reply. I have to say, that really really rings true, and fits with a great deal that I feel I know and understand. But I'd never joined the dots that way before. And kudos: I've never seen that concept posted or suggested anywhere else at all.

:thumbsup: :heart2:

[Brigantia]

From my generation's perspective... I was enjoying the 1970s until CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) started marching again and our young impressionable minds were convinced that we were all going to die a horrible death in a nuclear war.

I remember the drama Threads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film)) that aired on BBC; apparently it was aired in 1984, I thought it was earlier. It was truly shocking with the way it depicted the after-effects of nuclear war and I've found an article here (https://www.ranker.com/list/threads-bbc-nuclear-film/michelle-nati) about how it messed up a generation (mine, probably).

So, that still probably lingers in the minds of many; that Russia was going to lead us to a horrible death. Of course, that never happened and subsequent history has shown that the Western powers have wreaked more havoc in various parts of the world for political and economic reasons, but mainly far-off places that many couldn't pinpoint on a map or even care about.

That's just a suggestion, that Russophobia may originate in the Cold War narrative that "Russia will kill us all in a nuclear war".

[Bill Ryan]

From my generation's perspective... I was enjoying the 1970s until CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) started marching again and our young impressionable minds were convinced that we were all going to die a horrible death in a nuclear war.

I remember the drama Threads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film)) that aired on BBC; apparently it was aired in 1984, I thought it was earlier. It was truly shocking with the way it depicted the after-effects of nuclear war and I've found an article here (https://www.ranker.com/list/threads-bbc-nuclear-film/michelle-nati) about how it messed up a generation (mine, probably).

So, that still probably lingers in the minds of many; that Russia was going to lead us to a horrible death. Of course, that never happened and subsequent history has shown that the Western powers have wreaked more havoc in various parts of the world for political and economic reasons, but mainly far-off places that many couldn't pinpoint on a map or even care about.

That's just a suggestion, that Russophobia may originate in the Cold War narrative that "Russia will kill us all in a nuclear war".Threads is in the Avalon Library. :thumbsup:

But it absolutely needs a [serious!] health warning. It was so extraordinarily well done that one might hardly be able to sleep after watching it. Not an exaggeration.

And it might also be a good idea to watch it with someone, if that's possible, and not alone. That's not an exaggeration either. It may be one of the most vivid and impactful docudramas ever made, to this day.

:flower:

https://avalonlibrary.net/THREADS.mp4

https://avalonlibrary.net/THREADS.mp4

[thepainterdoug]

Bill many thanks. I listened entire to the mark and forward. I also have Scott Ritter on my telegram feed. I have always liked him and felt he was trying to mitigate our Iraq war involvement. I actually remember his reports at the time
Scott is a man of common sense measure and compassion for others. The kind of guy thats doesn't fit into the war system of these power hungry war mongers.

Not that is matters or proves anything, but I play Ice hockey with many Russians for many years. They have only been great people, funny and peaceful as I know them.

Its a shame how many Americans are on a pre set, to hate and blame Russia first! before they even hear the details the facts in a verifiably balanced manner. And as you know, that will never happen.
I take no sides, but we need to stop seeing these people as the enemy first.
Thanks

I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE! I cannot seem to spell and see straight what I am writing. So many incorrect words and phrases I am putting in. Im going to really try to clean this up.
Anyone else going thru this?

[Ravenlocke]

From my generation's perspective... I was enjoying the 1970s until CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) started marching again and our young impressionable minds were convinced that we were all going to die a horrible death in a nuclear war.

I remember the drama Threads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film)) that aired on BBC; apparently it was aired in 1984, I thought it was earlier. It was truly shocking with the way it depicted the after-effects of nuclear war and I've found an article here (https://www.ranker.com/list/threads-bbc-nuclear-film/michelle-nati) about how it messed up a generation (mine, probably).

So, that still probably lingers in the minds of many; that Russia was going to lead us to a horrible death. Of course, that never happened and subsequent history has shown that the Western powers have wreaked more havoc in various parts of the world for political and economic reasons, but mainly far-off places that many couldn't pinpoint on a map or even care about.

That's just a suggestion, that Russophobia may originate in the Cold War narrative that "Russia will kill us all in a nuclear war".

So true about that movie Threads, I had nightmares for days and couldn’t sleep well for weeks, it was so real at the time of watching it. I was just remembering it the other day and chiding myself for being so scared then.
But my memory is more of the Two Superpowers that they would end up killing us all if they decided to start a nuke war. Russia to me represented USSR growing up and how freedom would be taken away under Soviet rule, I remember being told it was the Iron curtain and the KGB would find you anywhere. I remember that they had shortages of modern things unlike the west and I had friends that would ship clothes to their families and jeans especially famous brand ones.

[Michel Leclerc]

(...)

Wow. Folks, YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS PART if you possibly can.

His answer is about 10 mins long and worth every gold-plated second. It's one of the strongest pro-human, anti-war polemics I've ever heard, straight from the heart. It's emotional, but at the same time totally grounded, coming from someone whose attitudes were forged by hard-ass Marine Corps training.

(...)



Yes Bill. Well. I remember this passage. And although I was moved too when I heard it there was a lingering aftertaste of metal which made it less palatable from hindsight.

Ritter describes both the "they are human beings" mantra with pathos and empathy and the "you have to harden yourself" prerequisite for being a soldier.

Strange that it took him so long. He might have thought up the "they are human beings too" thing before he joined the military. His reference to "later on", when he was in the war against Iraq, shows that the "they are human beings too" consideration had in between been gobbled up again by the "hardening" necessity. He might have stopped being a military man and become a grocer for instance. Probably the salary would have been less, admittedly.

It may indeed be costly to try and start the softening track right from the start. Or just the thinking track piercing the propaganda. Or the listening to the voice of conscience track so that one does not give in to fantasies of power and "technology" when one infatuates oneself with the military.

Notice: I am not a pacifist. I believe in compulsory conscription in purely defensive forces (who are most of the time deployed to fight the consequences of natural catastrophes). And outside of the defensive forces I would not want to buy expensive offensive gear; I would try and get a jiujitsu belt though.

The simultaneity of empathic remembrance of what makes a tough soldier and what makes a sensitive caring person comes across as psychotic – the bipolar cut-and-paste personality fortunately (or rather unfortunately) rendered acceptable by the "family" thing (wife and kids and family and the dog and the parrot and the carpool).

Maybe it would be a good thing then when in the future, in the Divided States of the World, whole families would go to war (with the "hardening" and the "they are humans too" protocols injected).

The parrot parroting the sounds of rocket launchers. Of a knife plunged into flesh.

[Michel Leclerc]

For the Nato State citizens (the Belgians!) among us: ever thought of learning Russian?
If so, ever started?
If started, ever achieved?

[Satori]

Do you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be


Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
..... more ??

That's a hard one to answer :P

At least without sounding all conspiracy crazy and paranoiac

But i do have something to say, and it may or may not be right, i just know some people do tend to think this is a very real thing. In some of the less known political parties, and even in United Russia party at some levels, there is a very well accepted theory that the fascists never left, they just simply adapted and moved on with the times, while keeping their core values alive, under a complete framework of 'reality' adapted to the western values

In other words, they reformatted their ideology to be compatible with the western one, and eventually merged both into whatever we see today

So for these people (the other political parties in Russia, and the several in United Russia working hard in the background) you can equal modern western political movements and culture to a modern version of fascism

This is always proven right in their eyes by just looking at how media works in the US or the UK, for example. And how the western masses are so brainwashed they can't think properly, there's no critical thinking anymore, they can't identify anything but a childish good vs bad situation in all they see (or us vs them, with me or with them conditional environment)

People are conditioned and 'cancelled' and they lose it all if they even dare to question, and most people are in full compliance by now, they don't even think properly anymore.

When Russian politicians see this, they assume it is true that the west has been engulfed by fascism over decades and decades, and it was all planned this way, so now, repression, violence, ignorance, compliance or else, etc etc, equals "freedom and democracy" and anyone who thinks otherwise is 'malign' and 'communist' and everything else that goes with it

Also i can see that in Ukraine and even on the US, there is a growing trend to say that Russians are Nazi, and that anything that is Russian friendly, by association is Nazi friendly

Everything is backwards but since people have become so ignorant they can't know the difference anymore, this is the view that runs in underground political currents in Russia

We are not fighting against Ukraine, we are fighting against the same fascist machine from WW2, but under a new name and face (westernized), that's the general feelingWow, what a great reply. I have to say, that really really rings true, and fits with a great deal that I feel I know and understand. But I'd never joined the dots that way before. And kudos: I've never seen that concept posted or suggested anywhere else at all.

:thumbsup: :heart2:

Bill, really? What about Project Paperclip, the Rat Lines, ...?

What Mashika very rightly and cogently said about Russia applies equally to the USA and many other countries. The NAZIs did not lose and disappear after WWII. Sadly, and tragically, they adapted and are functioning here and everywhere today.

[bluestflame]

would like to explore the bias against Russia in relation to Tartaria

[DNA]

I'm a simple guy with simple views.

To me, from my perspective Russia is anti-globalism as it appears the globalist controlled countries and the globalist controlled UN are about as anti Russia as they are anti- Donald Trump.
Globalism is the enemy of the people.
Globalism is the monster behind the depopulation agenda and the jab.
Globalism is the mother of lies and propaganda.

This is what our newspapers, talk shows, televised news have turned into a outlet for globalized propaganda.
Cancel culture doesn't care about any of the so called tenets it regards so highly it simply cares about taking away the ability to sway public opinion from those who will not obey globalist platforms, agendas and talking points.

So now Hollywood is nothing but propaganda.
Movies, music, streaming shows and most critics are now propaganda mouth pieces.
Even sports are now propagandized.

I say all this because although our members acknowledge this on a shallow level like it's a new thing. I don't think they realize or have come to terms with how prevalent and long this has been a thing.

This is why our friends, associates and loved ones can't hear anything we have to say on these matters.
Propaganda is programming and it is very effective.

The USA has been bombing and destabilizing countries for decades. At the very least one can easily say the USA has no moral high ground to dictate to the world the narrative that is currently pushed via the propaganda machine.

[Harmony]

There is in everyone's perspective some validity to how the mind has formed an overview of situations. Nobody has all the exact data or information automatically installed. I find it helpful sometimes to take away borders and languages and just look at the energetics or dynamics throughout history that has been used to push and animate or bring forth the actions taken. Whether it be a war or a personal problem or even interplanetary, what is at play here, what are the motivations behind the manipulations? It seems our best human qualities as well as our out of balance traits have been studied and used as levers to drive us in directions we may not be aware of, as we can't always see the "bigger view" picture.



It seems over and over the same tactics are used, now with new technology or new terms for causing separation, imbalance, scarcity and destruction so we have to start over again, keeping the majority poor and uneducated of the things that matter the most. Keep everyone blaming and pointing the finger at something to keep us busy instead of evolving into the best that we can be.

[Mashika]

Do you think there's more to this than some kind of phobia of anti-fascism and some weird compulsion to erase history?

I've heard several very bright commentators asked this question recently, and all of them have been honest enough to confess they can't fully understand it. Some possible factors seem to be


Language (it's easier for most Europeans to read French, Spanish, Italian or English, whatever their nationality)
Few Americans/Europeans have Russian friends
Travel (for most Europeans and Americans, it's not been all that easy to visit Russia)
Hollywood (Russia has often been presented as the 'bad guy')
Generational memories of the Cold War (Ronald Reagan and "The Evil Empire"), maybe passed on through families
And of course, media propaganda (as in 1984, there always has to be an enemy, whether it's a real one or not)
..... more ??

That's a hard one to answer :P

At least without sounding all conspiracy crazy and paranoiac

But i do have something to say, and it may or may not be right, i just know some people do tend to think this is a very real thing. In some of the less known political parties, and even in United Russia party at some levels, there is a very well accepted theory that the fascists never left, they just simply adapted and moved on with the times, while keeping their core values alive, under a complete framework of 'reality' adapted to the western values

In other words, they reformatted their ideology to be compatible with the western one, and eventually merged both into whatever we see today

So for these people (the other political parties in Russia, and the several in United Russia working hard in the background) you can equal modern western political movements and culture to a modern version of fascism

This is always proven right in their eyes by just looking at how media works in the US or the UK, for example. And how the western masses are so brainwashed they can't think properly, there's no critical thinking anymore, they can't identify anything but a childish good vs bad situation in all they see (or us vs them, with me or with them conditional environment)

People are conditioned and 'cancelled' and they lose it all if they even dare to question, and most people are in full compliance by now, they don't even think properly anymore.

When Russian politicians see this, they assume it is true that the west has been engulfed by fascism over decades and decades, and it was all planned this way, so now, repression, violence, ignorance, compliance or else, etc etc, equals "freedom and democracy" and anyone who thinks otherwise is 'malign' and 'communist' and everything else that goes with it

Also i can see that in Ukraine and even on the US, there is a growing trend to say that Russians are Nazi, and that anything that is Russian friendly, by association is Nazi friendly

Everything is backwards but since people have become so ignorant they can't know the difference anymore, this is the view that runs in underground political currents in Russia

We are not fighting against Ukraine, we are fighting against the same fascist machine from WW2, but under a new name and face (westernized), that's the general feelingWow, what a great reply. I have to say, that really really rings true, and fits with a great deal that I feel I know and understand. But I'd never joined the dots that way before. And kudos: I've never seen that concept posted or suggested anywhere else at all.

:thumbsup: :heart2:

Bill, really? What about Project Paperclip, the Rat Lines, ...?

What Mashika very rightly and cogently said about Russia applies equally to the USA and many other countries. The NAZIs did not lose and disappear after WWII. Sadly, and tragically, they adapted and are functioning here and everywhere today.

I believe what he means is that we have two separate things that could have happened:

1. Over time, some of the people in the west got influenced by the NAZI ideology in several ways, incorporating those ideas into the new modern reality. Is not like Nazi people just turned around and dropped all their ideas and beliefs as soon as the war was over, right?

2. There was a group of people who retreated to the shadows, bought influence on the west and started working towards keeping the ideology alive. They silently moved into positions of power, designed plans to integrate casually into the culture, started pushing for changes and influencing slowly new generations until a new framework of reality was laid out, one in which new generations on the west were born. Under this framework, the people is confused and black is white, nazi is equaled with the enemy (Russia) and anti-nazi is equaled with the original concepts. Under this framework, banning of books is ok, for example, and cancel culture is a representation of removing the unlikable or the ill, like the Nazi did. Then we have the removal of statues and memorials and so on, those are just exactly the same as we can see right now, openly hating on the ideals or what the monuments represent

We are considering the second case as a full reality right now

In this second case, we don't have nazi influence by chance or because it is normal that cultures merge over time and influence each other, instead we have very well planned conspiracy to completely obliterate the previous western culture and replace it with one perfectly designed by nazi shadow governments and that allows the original ideology to grow back into power.

We can see it perfectly but most people out there probably can't, or even realize that by cancelling someone or a book or a painting, they are basically implementing nazi policies and customs

And there are 'black lists' of books, monuments and other materials in the west, for example, just like there were in Nazi Germany, and the people who implement or follow those lists in schools and other places think they are doing 'the right thing'

A very important thing to consider: Most western young people don't remember or know anything about their past, they kind of have a clean slate somehow (we believe it is part of the design) so they can't identify the issues or how close things like cancel culture or the pedo degenerate stuff is to nazism or fascism. The 'snitch on your neighbor' thing is another example of that

They simply can't figure out these things because it has been erased from their culture, they are brand new into the world, and all the past seem to have been rewriten in a way that they find perfect sense of it all in this 'new reality' framework in which they were born

They don't hate Russia or Russian culture because they look into it and find it disgusting, they hate it because they carry the hate from whoever is behind the scenes and they have been programmed to hate since they were born, the environment in which they were born is one that allows nazism to flourish perfectly well, and by association it leads into hating the 'enemy' or the culture that hurt and defeated fascism the last time.

This is what Russian politicians see, even if they pretend or act nicely around it in the world stage

Does that make sense?

[9ideon]

Mashika

It is not really that the phobia is 100% turned towards Russia, at least not in a conscious way, it is that most of the people 'infected' tend to think of the USSR as Russia, and they ignore the fact that the USSR was made of several countries, just like the EU is right now

I have been thinking about this a lot lately, especially pointed at myself and how this has progressed since 1991.

When we (my classmates and myself) were around 11 years old we got Sowjet Union Doctrine class. We'd be educated on the CCCP and Politburo, Warschaupact etc. Basically we were taught to distrust Eastern Europeans and Russians (Sowjets).

After the wall collapsed and the Iron Curtain was history, that idiot Yeltsin took control of Russia, he and Zirinowksi were in the news pretty often, the latter being portrayed as a right wing nut, in his case I believe that was partly true. Russians got the image under that walking Wodka barrel, of a gangster state were nothing really got done and life meant nothing, a bunch of idiots with similar leadership. Eastern Europeans were portrayed as psychos with no regard for life as well and if you were to go to one of these cities you could vanish and it would be very likely your organs would be harvested. This is more or less how we started to see the former pact after 1991, I was witness to something nightmarish in Prague in the early 2000's but no organs were taken.

When Russia picked Herself up after Yeltsin and Putin eventually rose to stabilize Russia a new Enemy was created, especially after he stopped playing the game of the West, most of us know why, the vilifying of Russia and Putin in particular never stopped, while at the same time damage repair concerning former Warschaupact states in Europe was underway, personally I look at most former pact states as completely corrupt, so did the rest of the West including the so called string pullers, we can see how great it worked out for the happy few, liars are in control and opposition of volume have been taken of the board.

When Russia had war with Georgia the Putin is Hitler campaign started, it is still going on to this day.

Personally I still "suffer" from the indoctrination of negativity about Russians. For example every time I see a Russian with a Cat I am surprised the Cat is not being mauled, things like that, it still pops up and luckily I can correct my thoughts on it, imagine how many People cannot and will not, especially nowadays.

It will not be hard to sell a War against Russia, the hate towards Russians runs deep. I walk around my village with that T-shirt (Foreign Agent) from the iEarlGrey (https://www.youtube.com/c/iEarlGreytv) channel from time to time and seriously have to be careful about engaging in discussion if it ever gets to that, that and there are/were some Ukrainian refugees here as well, lol.

I also left all, but one, veteran group etc, can't stand the idiotic speeches about freedom and Western values anymore, it's like the resistance for the bs has been penetrated. I made a joke once, like 8 years back, that if I would hear one more speech about Freedom I's get a nervous breakdown, funny enough that remark was not really appreciated as it seemed. I left those groups when the SO started in February, I could not stomach the anti-Russian doctrine we are supposed to follow (as veterans) as well, I jumped ship before this started to anger me. Without doubt this brainwashing has gone full gear now.

The entire "I hate Russians" "Russians are Criminals" "Russians are cruel to Animals" "Russians sell their Daughters" "Russians are War mongers" Russians are Bigots" "Russians can't play Football (lol)" "Putin is Hitler" and so on is tiresome, unfortunately most Westerners gobble it up like Medovik. Why do you think RT was forbidden in the EU, exactly, what if People would exercise their right to freedom by deciding for themselves what channel to watch and thoughts to form, right?

If I were a younger man I would already be on my way to the Ural Mountains, I'd be screaming like a little Girl when Winter comes, but at least I'd be truly free.

[dim]

what dna (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119384-Russophobia&p=1515381&viewfull=1#post1515381) said

How obvious to propaganda bombard the last wall against globalist/imperialist/capitalist agenda to those that still depend on the tv to dictate them the truth.
And how hilarious to ban their athletes from all international games and allow Turkey or Israel that still attack whomever they please.

[Tintin]

This is being posted here as the antithesis of Russophobia and because it is, well, breathtaking.

We used to, as a small young family, watch the athletics, swimming, and gymnastics regularly as the different competitions came around, and although I have no genuine clear memory of this particular routine can guarantee that we used to watch Olga Korbut and were genuinely awestruck. Strictly speaking she was from Minsk but that's probably more a matter of semantics.

Russian athletes couldn't compete in the recent (2022) European Championships in Munich, but, Israel could, and did. Someone needs a geography lesson methinks :facepalm:

Do enjoy this piece of magic from 1972:

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[Mike Gorman]

In regard to the docudrama Threads, it was so powerful because it avoided the usual hyperbole and glamorized special effects (if nuclear explosions could ever be considered glamorous - I simply mean comic-book/Hollywood style depictions) it focused instead on the plausible settings of suburbia and how ordinary people would react, the grim, ragged awfulness of the aftermath and the breakdown of all decency and 'civilized' conduct. It truly is harrowing, and realistic beyond anything else that has been produced in my opinion. The Day After was quite good, American production, but trust the Brits to really give the topic a stark, in your face treatment. Bill's warning is sincere, it really can affect you if you allow it to play on your mind. In my view the Russians are genuinely human and 'good people' - they would not go to nuclear war unless there was no other possible response and their country was truly threatened with extinction. Take comfort from this.

[rgray222]

In my view the Russians are genuinely human and 'good people' - they would not go to nuclear war unless there was no other possible response and their country was truly threatened with extinction. Take comfort from this.

I think your statement is true for most people in the world. As a general rule, I don't think any decent person on the planet would want to use nuclear weapons unless they are threatened with extinction. That said many leaders of the world are a different breed of people altogether, capable of genocide and murder on a grand scale and destruction of livelihood and property on an enormous scope all for the sake of their territorial and materially ambitions. Control and power are enticing aphrodisiacs to many of these people.

[Mike]

In my view the Russians are genuinely human and 'good people' - they would not go to nuclear war unless there was no other possible response and their country was truly threatened with extinction. Take comfort from this.

I think your statement is true for most people in the world. As a general rule, I don't think any decent person on the planet would want to use nuclear weapons unless they are threatened with extinction. That said many leaders of the world are a different breed of people altogether, capable of genocide and murder on a grand scale and destruction of livelihood and property on an enormous scope all for the sake of their territorial and materially ambitions. Control and power are enticing aphrodisiacs to many of these people.


Agreed.

Even as a boy, when Cold War tensions were at their highest, I think I intuitively knew this to be true - that Russians were really no different than Americans, or anyone else for that matter, and were basically good, decent people. Most people are aware of this, regardless of the hostility they may express outwardly.

Of course as a boy I was too young and naive to fall for the anti-Russian propaganda. It just confused me. But mostly I was just too distracted with little boy stuff, like baseball cards and kickball games to care one way or another.

And now as an adult I'm too distracted with adult stuff, like how I'm going to pay my rent and buy all the supplements I need, and so on. I almost never even think about Russia, it's people, or where it is on the map:) (but I can find it on a map lol!) In order to possess some kind of Russophobia, I s'pose I'd have to think about Russians first!

And I think most Americans are like that honestly. You'd have to show me all these Russian haters. Because I've never seen or met them! I think Russophobia, like racism and transphobia and so on, is all massively exaggerated by the media.

As an outsider watching news about America on television, you'd likely expect to see chaos and violence and mayhem etc upon landing here. But nearly anywhere you go, and nearly all of the time things are quite normal and peaceful here, and people are just getting on with their lives and are mostly too consumed with daily stresses to even think about people on the other side of the globe, let alone hate them.

[Bill Ryan]

I've posted this elsewhere, but I'd like to say this again on this new thread. I've been to Russia a couple of times, on short two-or-three week visits. I was greatly impressed with every single person I met there, and found them highly intelligent, well-informed, spiritually aware, fun, and a delight to be with.

:grouphug:

[jaybee]

In regard to the docudrama Threads, it was so powerful because it avoided the usual hyperbole and glamorized special effects (if nuclear explosions could ever be considered glamorous - I simply mean comic-book/Hollywood style depictions) it focused instead on the plausible settings of suburbia and how ordinary people would react, the grim, ragged awfulness of the aftermath and the breakdown of all decency and 'civilized' conduct. It truly is harrowing, and realistic beyond anything else that has been produced in my opinion. The Day After was quite good, American production, but trust the Brits to really give the topic a stark, in your face treatment. Bill's warning is sincere, it really can affect you if you allow it to play on your mind. In my view the Russians are genuinely human and 'good people' - they would not go to nuclear war unless there was no other possible response and their country was truly threatened with extinction. Take comfort from this.

re bolded...

I agree and do take comfort from this and sincerely hope NATO does not push Russia too far and does not threaten her with extinction and get us all killed - the 'Special Military Operation' is almost certainly to prevent something more serious down the line with either nuclear or biological weapons coming from Ukraine, threatening Russia's security and safety ...

I also take some comfort that it appears that nuclear weapons cannot be dropped willy nilly, anywhere, any time - because to get a seriously 'effective' detonation requires certain conditions that includes harmonic distances and the position of the sun - maybe these conditions can be circumvented now, dunno, but when I heard about it from the late, great Bruce Cathie a few years ago it took a lot of the fear of nuclear war away - there are plenty of other weapons to be fearful about if a serious global military conflict erupts but unless things have changed we will not experience nuclear weapons flying around willy nilly......

It's something kept secret from the public that the mathematics and conditions of creating a seriously destructive nuclear detonation isn't as easy as is believed and windows of opportunity exist at certain times and certain positions and all the nuclear powers will be aware of the windows of opportunity and have them covered in some way...? (fingers crossed :) )

Here's Bruce Cathie talking about it - Keith Hunter (a member here) has also done work on this and if I remember right he has made some adjustments to Cathie's work - but Cathie remains the pioneer into making this info public -

Bruce Cathie Calculating an Atomic Bomb Test

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[Mike]

I've posted this elsewhere, but I'd like to say this again on this new thread. I've been to Russia a couple of times, on short two-or-three week visits. I was greatly impressed with every single person I met there, and found them highly intelligent, well-informed, spiritually aware, fun, and a delight to be with.

:grouphug:


Same with the Russians I've known, mostly thru soccer.

When I was coming up there was a thing called O.D.P. (Olympic training program) and it was basically one long extended tryout for the U.S. national soccer team. The Russians participating were ineligible to play for the national team of course, but they went thru the process anyway to get exposure and so forth.

The farthest they could go was regionals, and most of them made their respective regional teams. Excellent players. They were all liked and heavily respected.

I made lifelong friends with several Russians, Peter and Yuri and Leo, and some Ukranians as well (Dema Kovalenko was one, who played in the MLS here in the US and also in professional leagues in Europe)

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71JEePDU3mL._AC_SL1040_.jpg

We have a group email, and still keep in touch. I love those guys.

Currently I work with a Russian man named Michael, and he's just a terrific guy. He barely speaks a lick of English, but he's very expressive lol, and manages to get his point across. He was a doctor back in Russia, so I consulted him when I had a kidney stone...

And he said, "No Mike, I'm Russian doctor." And smiled broadly.

And I said, "Don't Russians get kidney stones?"

And he said, "Yes Mike, but I am Russian doctor," and he just walked of.

Now it's become a running joke. Don't ask Mike about anything health related, because he is merely a "Russian doctor".lol

I also work with a woman named Vera, another Russian, and a classically trained pianist. She wanted me to marry her daughter so she could gain citizenship:) I wrote about it here somewhere. Anyway, I've spent time outside of work with her and her daughter and they're just wonderful people

[JackMcThorn]

And I think most Americans are like that honestly. You'd have to show me all these Russian haters. Because I've never seen or met them!

I really didn't see it either. Most people are busy doing their own thing. The worst of it was in grade school in the 198os when we use to have 'air raid sirens' and 'fall out shelters'. I spent a lot of time in the local library near the school as a kid and those sturdy cement buildings were all marked 'fall out shelters'. No one I knew had a bunker in their backyard. I sort of wondered about those bunkers - they showed us photos in books but never in real-life.

In my 2os and 3os if there was some small talk about the weather we used to say it must be the Russians. [controlling the weather].

This video is regarding the Soviet space shuttles. I was admittedly irritated when I discovered these copies some years ago but secretly pleased that they did not work out for Russia.

-q7ZVXOU3kM

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1565686877470048257
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[Bill Ryan]

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28642

DonbassDevushka/28642

[Ravenlocke]

A young couple in Barcelona went to the Russian consulate to get married and got heckled and cursed by a Ukranian refuge…

https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/status/1583390768609529857

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[Bill Ryan]

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/31359

DonbassDevushka/31359

[Pam]

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/31359

DonbassDevushka/31359

I was so hoping this kind of stuff, the spray painting of a beautiful Russian Orthodox church in Geneva was not going to start . An act like that, particularly if tolerated to any level will give others with hatred, and resentment from a million other reasons permission for it to escalate. I believe that was one of the earlier types of acts and treatment during the Hitler fiasco. as well as the Rwanda massacre. Probably 100's I don't know about

I watched the movie "A Private War" about Marie Colvin a war correspondent last night. What her reporting and the movie really did was remind us or at least it did for me reminded me of the true level of suffering, pain, fear and destruction of war. The real atrocities that occur so we can have regime changes that will benefit the profit margin of corporations and guarantee another term for a corrupt politician so he/she can skim some more profits off the top..Marie ended up dying in Syria doing this work.

This may have been a dramatic addition to the movie and not factual but the basic, universal imagery of the scene is ringing of truth. She had come to rely on alcohol to deal with the atrocities but she talks of one scene she couldn't get out of her head. A lovely , maybe 10 year old girl blown to bits and her body laying there. She was wearing pearl earrings. In the movie Marie makes the comment when she put them on that morning she probably was so proud and felt so pretty. Maybe her mother let her wear them...anyway the point was. She got up, got dressed to live another day. Just another day for a young girl to experience in what should have been a string of many more, all to be blown away for senseless , insatiable greed, power and control.

I am going to be heart broken if destroying property because it has some affiliation with Russian heritage starts to become "the thing" ....we have a right, an excuse to be cruel to someone we don't even know for a conflict most people couldn't tell you a thing about . With the aid of 5G and technology like the "crimson mist" the sky is the limit.

I got a tiny taste of what that irrational fear turning to hatred and discrimination during the vaccine debacle. Mine was minimal, but it shows how things can turn on a dime. How one minute your just one of the crowd, the consensus and the next, overnight you can be the enemy. And what protection will the world off you? I guess the answer to that is up to each of us.

But I have been able to witness first hand the power of not wanting to belong to the crowd because the crowd makes no sense to me and the consequences. Not to go along it. Even if the crowd consensus changes every other day and makes no sense. There are so many willing to die and suffer just to be part of it.

This reminds me, I have an acquaintance, she is from Russia. We are not real close but I hope she is ok. I need to check in with her. I hope to God she is not be persecuted here, in my cute little town because of the hatred being generated. I'm guessing here it would look more like being ignored or not invited to events.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/Dpol_un/status/1588524437468778497

1588524437468778497

[Bill Ryan]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1622813351125602304
1622813351125602304

And reported yesterday by Reuters:


https://reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-withdraws-19-mln-russian-soviet-era-books-libraries-2023-02-07

Ukraine withdraws 19 million Russian, Soviet-era books from libraries

Ukraine had withdrawn from its libraries about 19 million copies of books by last November that came either from the Soviet era or were in Russian, a senior lawmaker said on Monday.

Yevheniya Kravchuk, deputy head of the Ukrainian parliament's committee on humanitarian and information policy, said that of the 19 million books, 11 million were in Russian.

"Some Ukrainian-language books from the Soviet era are also written off," Kravchuk said according to a statement published on the website of the Verkhovna Rada, the country's parliament.

"There are also recommendations to write off and remove books whose authors supported armed aggression against Ukraine."

It was not immediately clear what happened to the withdrawn books.

After Russia moved to annex Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in 2014, Kyiv increasingly restricted the use of Russian books. The process of the so-called "de-russification" sped up when Russia invaded the country nearly a year ago.

In mid-2022 Ukraine restricted the distribution of Russian books, seeking to further sever cultural ties between the two neighbours and undo policies that Kyiv authorities say have suppressed Ukrainian identity for centuries.

"In general, the ratio of books in Russian and Ukrainian languages in our libraries is just very regretful," Kravchuk said.

"So now we are talking about the fact that it is necessary to renew funds and purchase books in the Ukrainian language as soon as possible."

She added that about 44% of books in Ukraine's libraries are in Russian, the rest in Ukrainian or languages of the European Union countries.

Ukrainian is the sole official language (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-may-give-english-status-business-language-prime-minister-2022-06-06/) of the country. About a half of the population speaks mostly or only Ukrainian and some 30% speak mostly or only Russian, according to a 2019 survey by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology.

Both Russian and Ukrainian are East Slavic languages, but while most Ukrainians speak Russian, Russians unfamiliar with Ukrainian have difficulties understanding it.

Russian plays still a large role in business, culture and the media. And it is still very widely spoken in many cities, including Kyiv, although the use of Russian has been increasingly restricted. Legislation obliges businesses and other institutions to use Ukrainian.

[Jamie]

Oh my gosh! You mean all the arrogant condescending literary giants (from around the world) who would have greatly boasted in the past about having had the endurance to read the famous and massive Russian book 'War & Piece' all these years...and holding that fact over others heads as some kind of literary 'right of passage', will now start saying they've never read it!
They'll now probably start denying that they've ever even heard of the book!

Okay I know that's not really happening right now, but how far off is it, to soon become reality?
Banning musical instruments, banning russian cookery, banning books, banning hockey players & other sportsman because of their Russian heritage. Lol.. Humanity really is insane.

Anyway... :p The daft buggers! :ROFL:

[Pam]

The mere fact that the citizens of a country should somehow be considered the same as the government is so ludicrous. Like stating that all people that live in the US are just the same as Biden and go along with everything he says. So 1/3 of the citizens of Ukraine are denied the right to read a book in their native tongue. While Zelensky prances around the world, living it up like some sort of pop culture celebrity. That alone is beyond comprehension.

We pour money into Ukraine, I wonder what kind of aid we will be providing Turkey and Syria? Maybe it will like the Rwanda Genocide where Clinton stated that the US just couldn't afford to assist with it. I bet they could help pay for the Crimson Mist experiment that helped the genocide along. Of course, they always excuse themselves later by saying "That was one of my deepest regrets". That is not a direct quote but close enough. At that time I still would never be able to fathom the evil that was and is happening. By the way, that was the explanation for "the weapons of mass destruction" lie. " He deeply regrets it"....walk away, take your pile of money and if you like a high paying job will be waiting for you.....

Sorry for being such a cynic. I need to just turn off my computer for awhile a stay in the moment. It is cold but a lovely day. I have fed the birds and supplemented the deer. I have a place to live and I am grateful for all that.

[Matthew]

British people have no inkling of the hate politics used against them. Russians love their children too, we should remember that.

A group named 'Lead By Donkeys' painted an upside down Ukraine flag on British roads for the benefit of the Russian embassy.

They're smart though, they made signs for motorists to slow down as they vandalised their own infrastructure.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1628720073019117568

[ExomatrixTV]

In my view, the biggest systematic push of a tunnel vision "Russia Phobia" narratives started, when Hillary Clinton openly threatened to use Nuclear weapons if Russia "interferes" with the 2016 elections on multiple levels ... not mentioning that anything can be considered "interference" even TELLING THE TRUTH via RT dot com (https://rumble.com/c/RTNews) or RT on YouTube ... Hillary Clinton quote: "We Are Losing The Information War (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGWuillRXM)"
The ultra hypocrisy of The USA is extreme harrowing knowing how they manipulated almost all elections in all countries worldwide!
So when a different source other than western Mainstream Media (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120654-Why-We-Don-t-Trust-Mainstream-Media-The-Munk-Debates) sharing hard verifiable truths & facts that HAVE an impact on how people think & judge how they are "governed" >>> will be seen as an "election intervention" even if it is 100% the truth that is exposed!




Many hard hitting uncovered truths that have been shared on RT (Russia Today) were ALREADY shared on Alex Jones's infowars (https://www.infowars.com) and countless other American based independent alternative media outlets ... Most, if not all were originally investigated & exposed by Americans not Russians >>> the moment RT used some of it Hillary claimed that is "proof" that Alternative Media is spreading "Russian Propaganda" WHICH IS A BLATANT LIE! ... It was RT using real independent research done by Americans and HELPS better understand how we all get scrwed on this (fcked up) planet done by lying psychopathic control freaks & dystopian technocrats (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum).

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Bill Ryan]

(If this doesn't seem to play properly, I'll hunt for another version. :thumbsup: )

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/21611

UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/21611

[TomKat]

probably because they dropped communism. The US Democrats loved the Soviet Union, but they hate Russia.

[Matthew]

Putting things in perspective, cutting through the propoganda:

https://twitter.com/anthonyzenkus/status/1634044929595850755
Prof Zenkus
@anthonyzenkus
The United States is currently occupying a larger portion of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine.

[Tintin]

..and so the sickness in Poland continues :facepalm:

Source: https://twitter.com/Dpol_un/status/1651188711403429890

1651188711403429890

Russian tennis player Vitaliya Dyachenko – about how the Polish airline LOT did not let her on the flight, "because she is Russian"…
I won't get to the tournament, I'm missing three flights, I won't be able to participate in the tournament. They told me, "We won't give you anything, goodbye." All this lasted about eight hours, I held on as best I could. And only in the morning, when I was not allowed to buy the next flights, I was already hysterical and just in shock.

#source
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[Applesprig]

The hatred for Russia began with the schism between who would be head of the Christian church, almost a 1000 years ago. Constantinople did not recognise Rome as the head of the Christian Church and visa versa. Russia aligned with the Patriarch of Constantinople and rejected Rome's authority.

[Dennis Leahy]

When the successful US coup ("deep state" military-intelligence industrial complex+Rockefeller) happened in 1963, the co-conspirators of the coup were Russophobic, I think from a global economic hegemony position. The men who orchestrated the 1963 coup may be all dead now, but the torch of their americentric fascist corporatist ideology was passed forward, and the Russophobic position has never dissipated. Gang stuff. The originators of famous gangs, from Crips and Bloods to the Mafioso and Mafioso-like "political families" (Democrat and Republican corporations) to the Deep State gang - they all pass forward their ideologies.

The MIC is the core of the USA, Inc.'s economy. Russia provides a boogeyman that the US fearmongers use to justify vast and eternally increasing military (MIC) spending. Even the mouthiest pseudo-Russophobic* assholes - like Hillary Clinton and Lindsay Graham - don't really want a war with Russia (or China for that matter) but rather to use as a psychological weapon to assure the MICs continued growth as the USA's major capitalist industry sector.


*(I say "pseudo-" because these neocon/neolibs don't actually fear Russia.)

[Bill Ryan]

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/58362

DDGeopolitics/58362

[shaberon]

When the successful US coup ("deep state" military-intelligence industrial complex+Rockefeller) happened in 1963, the co-conspirators of the coup were Russophobic, I think from a global economic hegemony position.



You are saying that LBJ was "installed?"

I am not sure that U. S. relations with the U. S. S. R. faltered until the Cold War. The old Russia hatred is British. Straight from the Bible.

However, Truman, and Eisenhower, etc., also hated China. They did not start this, either. American military men started screaming "China threat!" when they first laid eyes on them in the 1850s.


Mostly I think you are correct--these people are addicted to Cold War. They cannot pass a day of their lives without hate and fear, thinking it is religion. This only shows how much closer they are to apes.

Is that not true? Is there not a clique who swans about basking in their own superiority, while putting others down?

And they are naive enough to think that saying something about Jesus will keep them out of hell?

Hahahahaha.

Unfortunately, it's serious, and there are more of them than there are of me. I clenched my teeth and went over some of the recent Senate Resolutions, as in how many times Ukraine has popped up in all this wonderful bravado, and it was absolutely disgusting. It is not physically possible for those apes to represent me in their Rotunda. They are damaged beyond repair. This is why I have a hugely pessimistic view about "fixing the country". I don't think it can be done. Nothing of value to work with.

[Bill Ryan]

This might better belong on the WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia) thread, but what we see here is so psychopathic that I posted it here instead.

I doubt if she will live long.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/64818

DDGeopolitics/64818

[Isserley]

I wanted to share with you what kind of emails we get at work. I work in a multinational company that has its own sister company in Russia, with which we do business most normally all this time.

Absolutely deranged ->

https://themajka.com/media/images5/1689350281.png

[Bill Ryan]

I wanted to share with you what kind of emails we get at work. I work in a multinational company that has its own sister company in Russia, with which we do business most normally all this time.

Absolutely deranged ->

https://themajka.com/media/images5/1689350281.pngThanks! :facepalm: And yes, that's pretty deranged. (But after a moment's thought, maybe not that surprising considering the western Russophobic propaganda that is just everywhere.)

Clearly this is a standard email that's been posted somewhere urging people to copy it and send it to names of companies on a list that's been provided for them. (Or it might even have been AI-generated.) One possible reply might be:

~~~
"Thank you! But please rewrite and send this again with your own unique and personal words and thoughts, not those of someone else that have been provided for you. The truth is that what you did was maybe a little lazy.

If we know who you are and what you truly think (and exactly why, and on what information you base your opinions), then an interesting and valuable conversation might be possible. You are quite wrong in what you seem to believe.

And, do please note, this reply was written by a real human being who has responded very personally to your email. :) "

[Michel Leclerc]

[LIST]

(...)

Many hard hitting uncovered truths that has been shared on RT (Russia Today) was ALREADY shared on Alex Jones's infowars (https://www.infowars.com) and countless other American based independent alternative media outlets ... Most, if not all were originally investigated & exposed by Americans not Russians >>> the moment RT used some of it Hillary claimed that is "proof" that Alternative Media is spreading "Russian Propaganda" WHICH IS A BLATANT LIE!


Absolutely John.

As for manipulation of elections: you probably do not know that, but electronic voting was only gradually introduced in Belgium. I started to abstain from and later to forego voting when in Brussels (one of the three "regions” in Belgium) voting became electronic. Right from that moment onwards I “knew” that it was subject to manipulation and was being manipulated.

The ultimate goal of it was to make perennial the Siamese-twin predicament of cultures in Belgium. Divide and rule. The goals of Britain when they paid for the split in the reunited (1815-1830) Seventeen provinces after Napoleon’s defeat, leading to the Netherlands and Belgium (whereas historically the Netherlands are Belgium and Belgium is the Netherlands: two names for the same civilisation) *.

And, when Britain had gotten its comeuppance, the goal of the United States when the “Atlanticists” (“Atlantisten”) among the Belgian politicians pushed for a “federalised” Belgium (the Siamese twins), guaranteeing the eternal presence of NATO headquarters. (And capital of a US-vassal Europe, not the proud unified Europe sold to the Europeans.)

And, dear Brexit lovers among the members, because of the same American "divide and rule” policy, Brexit was allowed to split Europe into two "vassal” groups: the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales and Ulster) and continental remainder Europe.

Lo and behold: a further splitting is in the works: “Old, Western” Europe and “Western Slavonic” Europe.

Manipulated electronic voting being always involved and always quite helpful.

The ultimate goals of ruling and dividing the vassals is ultimately dividing and ruling the “Enemy” or, in newspeak, “Adversary”. For the UK it used to be the reconstituted Seventeen Provinces in 1815-1830, then at the beginning of the 20th Century Germany, and, 20 years later, Germany again (which had been vassalised to split the Soviet Union, but that did not work out well). And now, after a lot of thinking, the key has been found how to disintegrate Russia.


* You, as a Limburger, may appreciate this reading of history, as Limburg has maybe suffered most, being cut in two by the 1830 catastrophe.

[Bill Ryan]

I felt I had to post this, didn't really know where, and thought that maybe this was the best thread.

How can anyone hate (and want to destroy) these people, their values, and their culture?

The video, less than 2 minutes long, shows a Russian High School Graduation dance. Recommended, :heart:

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56713

Slavyangrad/56713

[Bruce G Charlton]

Sorry, off topic note of information:

@Michel

"Brexit was allowed to split Europe into two "vassal” groups: the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales and Ulster) and continental remainder Europe."

This did not happen. Brexit was 'in name only' - which is why it was delayed by two extra years to devise. Except at passport control, Brexit has made no discernable difference to life - literally none at all.

The main motive for the (overwhelming majority) pro-Brexit sentiment and vote in *England* was open-ended, massive and chronic, deliberately encouraged and defended mass immigration (plus the official subsidizing and privileging of recent immigrants over natives, in all areas of life) - both of which have increased even further since pseudo-Brexit.

*Anyone* who opposes - or even notices - this long-term process of deliberate national destruction, is regarded (by the ruling, wealthy. powerful, influential classes) as a vile and dangerous person, and usually excluded from their livelihood (if possible).

But Brexit was bound to fail so long as its motives were negative/ defensive, rather than positive constructive; and for positive/ constructive there would need to be a spiritual and religious awakening. Back in 2016, after the Brexit vote, I and a couple of friends published a blog Albion Awakening (https://albionawakening.blogspot.com/), to analyze and promote such an outcome - but it was wound-up when it became evident that events were going the opposite direction.

[Matthew]

I wanted to share with you what kind of emails we get at work. I work in a multinational company that has its own sister company in Russia, with which we do business most normally all this time.

Absolutely deranged ->
...

Makes me feel like I'm 6 years old again in the playground.

At my previous workplace they banned the use of products created and published by a company called JetBrains, notably including a coding tool called ReSharper, because of its Russian roots and suspicions about Russia stealing secrets. It's a game-changing tool, well worth the money for a C# programmer in my strong opinion.

The look on people's faces when they banned it. As a contractor I didn't quibble because you pay contractors not to quibble, and then get rid of them at your convenience with zero drama and all smiles. And while I didn't use that tool at that company anyway, I had previously sent JetBrains fan-mail and compliments because 1) I wanted to extend my free trial duration of ReSharper, and 2) because I'm a BIG fan of ReSharper.

Seeing that tool banned because of Russian links brought the insanity home. I took it as likely foreshadowing of more of the same(?)

[Bill Ryan]

A small thing, but it's really quite common now.

The text:

Yesterday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Sport lifted the ban on participation of its athletes in competitions where Russians compete, and today Ukrainian sabre fencer Olga Kharlan took to the track against Russian Anna Smirnova at the World Fencing Championships.

The Ukrainian won the bout. After the bout, the Russian approached her opponent to shake her hand, but in response Harlan put her sabre forward and left the track.

According to the rules, fencers must shake hands after the bout, otherwise they can be penalised, up to and including disqualification. Whether any sanctions will be taken against Harlan is still unclear.

Update:

The International Fencing Federation decided to exclude Ukrainian sabre fencer Olga Kharlan from the World Championships after she refused to shake hands with Russian Anna Smirnova.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56941


Slavyangrad/56941

[kudzy]

“The International Fencing Federation decided to exclude Ukrainian sabre fencer Olga Kharlan from the World Championships after she refused to shake hands with Russian Anna Smirnova.”


Good! If you can’t shake your opponents hand after a sporting event then you don’t understand competitive sports and don’t deserve to participate, IMHO.

[Bill Ryan]

If you can’t shake your opponents hand after a sporting event then you don’t understand competitive sports and don’t deserve to participate, IMHO.In contrast! (I was fascinated to read this.)

The TG post below is in Russian, but here's the translation:

The Ministry of Sports of the Russian Federation will invite athletes from Ukraine to the World Friendship Games and ensure the safety of their stay in the country. The games will be held from 15—29 September 2024 in Moscow and Yekaterinburg. Of the Olympic sports, basketball, boxing, athletics, swimming, rhythmic gymnastics and others will be presented.
— Sports Minister Oleg Matytsin

https://t.me/SolovievLive/198843

SolovievLive/198843

[kudzy]

If you can’t shake your opponents hand after a sporting event then you don’t understand competitive sports and don’t deserve to participate, IMHO.In contrast! (I was fascinated to read this.)

The TG post below is in Russian, but here's the translation:

The Ministry of Sports of the Russian Federation will invite athletes from Ukraine to the World Friendship Games and ensure the safety of their stay in the country. The games will be held from 15—29 September 2024 in Moscow and Yekaterinburg. Of the Olympic sports, basketball, boxing, athletics, swimming, rhythmic gymnastics and others will be presented.
— Sports Minister Oleg Matytsin

https://t.me/SolovievLive/198843

SolovievLive/198843

I’d love to see them compete on the ball field or the mat, the pool, the ring, just not on the battlefield. We humans need to do better. We must do better. We absolutely CAN do better.

[shaberon]

I’d love to see them compete on the ball field or the mat, the pool, the ring, just not on the battlefield. We humans need to do better. We must do better. We absolutely CAN do better.


Yes, perhaps one of western man's few legitimate ideas is The Olympics.

Particularly because it intends competition of *amateur* athletes.

Of course, here, at least, there is very little motivation to have an "amateur career"...but maybe we should question "professional sports". Is this not basically a modern form of exploitation?

Couldn't all the money that makes it possible for a single person to shoot basketball really be applied towards something productive?

And what happened to pickup basketball games? Once upon a time, it made a real community.

Amateur competition = real grassroots stuff, and good sportsmanship will make you welcome anywhere in the world.

Throw in money and steroids, and, well, here we are.

[shaberon]

The main motive for the (overwhelming majority) pro-Brexit sentiment and vote in *England* was open-ended, massive and chronic, deliberately encouraged and defended mass immigration (plus the official subsidizing and privileging of recent immigrants over natives, in all areas of life) - both of which have increased even further since pseudo-Brexit.

*Anyone* who opposes - or even notices - this long-term process of deliberate national destruction, is regarded (by the ruling, wealthy. powerful, influential classes) as a vile and dangerous person, and usually excluded from their livelihood (if possible).


Do Albanian narco-terrorists (https://southfront.org/albanian-narco-terrorists-ravaging-uk/) qualify as "immigrants"?

Excerpts from article:


Since the 1990s, the United Kingdom has been one of the staunchest supporters of Albanian expansionism (mostly fueled by their unrelenting narco-terrorist tendencies). At the time, London sent its intelligence services to Albania where they worked closely with their American, German and other NATO counterparts to set the stage for a terrorist insurrection in the southern Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohia. The KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army), an Albanian terrorist organization that was based on a volatile mix of radical Islamism and narco-terrorism, was formed with NATO’s direct participation, particularly the UK and US intelligence services.


This was one of the firsthand accounts of what the wanton “rules-based world order” is. The result has been that this illegal NATO-backed entity became a safe haven for all sorts of illegal activities.

Hundreds of thousands of Albanians have moved to the UK since the 1990s and tens of thousands of them are still entering the country illegally.

Albanian narco-terrorists now dominate the UK’s cocaine market. [not bad for a South American product]

In a very similar manner to how NATO (particularly the UK) handled ultraradical groups such as Al Qaeda, causing a surge in terrorist attacks, as well as the emergence of numerous other similar terrorist groups, staunch support for Albanian extremism has resulted in almost identical disastrous consequences. The only difference is that these Albanian narco-terrorists have managed to gain a stronger foothold through various criminal activities, particularly drug smuggling, something that even Al Qaeda considered immoral.

[Bill Ryan]

A small thing, but it's really quite common now.

The text:

Yesterday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Sport lifted the ban on participation of its athletes in competitions where Russians compete, and today Ukrainian sabre fencer Olga Kharlan took to the track against Russian Anna Smirnova at the World Fencing Championships.

The Ukrainian won the bout. After the bout, the Russian approached her opponent to shake her hand, but in response Harlan put her sabre forward and left the track.

According to the rules, fencers must shake hands after the bout, otherwise they can be penalised, up to and including disqualification. Whether any sanctions will be taken against Harlan is still unclear.

Update:

The International Fencing Federation decided to exclude Ukrainian sabre fencer Olga Kharlan from the World Championships after she refused to shake hands with Russian Anna Smirnova.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/56941

Slavyangrad/56941Death threats now. An update (https://t.me/readovkanews/63261), from Readovka News.

Text:

Russian sabre fencer Anna Smirnova started receiving mass threats from Ukrainian provocateurs on social networks - the athlete's coach commented on the girl's condition amid the harassment

After the incident with the disqualification of the Ukrainian athlete because of refusal to shake hands with the sabre fencer Anna Smirnova, performing under the neutral flag, the Russian athlete was subjected to massive attacks from Ukrainian provocateurs in social networks: they threatened her, wished death to herself and her loved ones. At the moment Anna has switched off her phone and is resting, her coach Valerian Feoktistov told Readovka.

According to Valerian Feoktistov, except for the incident with a Ukrainian woman holding out a sabre instead of shaking hands, there was no more aggression against the Russian athlete because of her nationality. Tomorrow Anna and her coach plan to leave Milan and return to Moscow.

[happyuk]

I've long suspected that underneath the bile and vile hatred of Russians and Russiophobia is fear.
It's so much easier to hate on something than to admit anything, which is the unpalatable truth NATO equipment is not up to scratch.

I mean, what hasn't been sent? The Germans sent Leopards. The Brits sent Challenger 2s. Americans sent Abrams and F-16s.
I don't think they'll get sent F-35s because as soon as those start getting shot down nobody's going to want to buy them.

What's one wonder weapon that hasn't been sent? Stealth bombers? Have those ever been employed against modern air defence?

[gnostic9]

The counter view, it's all one global power.


https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/a/q/l/5/aql5k.caa.mp4?u=4&b=0


Love peace and joy to all!

[ExomatrixTV]

Blame EVERYTHING On Russia Because Why Not Russiagate Made EU Paranoid Monthly Daly June 2023:

21i5zOQmYsU
Listen to Clare Daly speaking in the EU Parliament in June 2023. The cries foul about the EUs paranoia with Russian interference and puts the EU in its place when it comes to their own human right abuses. She also calls out France for its treatment of Lebanon and argued forcefully for less European interventionism abroad. Clare Daly and Mick Wallace are the conscience of the EU.

Clare's First and Second Speeches:

Breaches of the Rule of law and fundamental rights in Hungary and frozen EU funds (June 1)

Madam President, I voted for this report. Hungary is a rule of law basket case, but it’s not the only one. We’ve Spain, where the UN Human Rights Committee has twice ruled that the treatment of the Catalan independence politicians by the Spanish state breaches their rights. In France, we have people’s rights continuously and systematically violated under the guise of counter-terrorism, while protesters met with spectacular violence. Bulgaria is a catastrophe. Croatia kidnaps and tortures migrants knowingly and gets rewarded by the Commission with Schengen entry. Italy is rounding up and arresting humanitarian workers. The Greek Government is spying on journalists. The Irish Tánaiste is attacking the free press. Latvia is taking elderly people to take language tests or be expelled.

And what is Parliament’s response to all of this? The usual cynical nonsense. Political groups blocking debates are only promoting them when they’re a chance for you to have a go against your political rivals. But you reap what you sow in this stuff. If politics is prioritised over the rule of law, then the rule of law breaks down. It’s time to cop on and realise the same rules have to apply to everyone.

[Matthew]

Hate is blinding. The enemy of Russia is my friend doesn't work.

Look at the state of this:

Trudeau's government gave a HUGE standing ovation to an actual Nazi SS veteran because he fought against Russians before it was fashionable... in WWII. Is anyone else's face hurting after reading that? If so sorry and condolences. This must be the ultraDERP of the century.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1706554671932817720


Andy Ngô 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo)

Justin Trudeau & his government smeared the 2022 Canadian Convoy protesters as Nazis & racists, but he, President Zelensky & Canadian lawmakers gave a standing ovation to an actual Nazi SS veteran in the parliament a few days ago. Full live video: https://t.co/gcpm7OuoK3

[Matthew]

Edit add:

It was a huge standing ovation and I wonder if it set a Canadian record?

The West are so blinded by hate that this ultraderp proverbially characterises the whole darn West Hearts Ukraine thing.

If the standing ovation set a record that would be a delicious sound-bite hehehe

[Bill Ryan]

Yes, there's more discussion on this new thread. The whole hard-to-believe incident was an acute embarrassment, and showed how little actual European WWII history most people now have any clue about. Russia arguably played a greater role in defeating the Nazis than the US or the UK.


Nazi honored and applauded in Canadian Parliament (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121973-Nazi-honored-and-applauded-in-Canadian-Parliament.)

I shared this Great Quote yesterday: :flower:
We liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it.
Soviet General Georgy Zhukov (1896—1974)

[Ewan]

Blame EVERYTHING On Russia Because Why Not Russiagate Made EU Paranoid Monthly Daly June 2023:

21i5zOQmYsU
Listen to Clare Daly speaking in the EU Parliament in June 2023. The cries foul about the EUs paranoia with Russian interference and puts the EU in its place......

Its quite telling that when Clare Daly speaks, and folk like Andrew Bridgen spoke in Parliament, the seats are almost empty. Those bastards avoid listening - reminds me of the kid under the blankets to hide from the monsters. If the kid cannot see them then the monsters can't see the kids.

[grapevine]

I agree Ewan, and where the hell are they, lazy buggers? No doubt theyre in the subsidised (by us) restaurant quaffing a few glasses of wine.

[Kryztian]

From Justin Trudeau to Hillary Clinton to Fox News, every thing that goes wrong can be blamed on Russia.

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All i know is that I really miss Lasitskene, Dalaloyan...

[Icare]

Yes, there's more discussion on this new thread. The whole hard-to-believe incident was an acute embarrassment, and showed how little actual European WWII history most people now have any clue about. Russia arguably played a greater role in defeating the Nazis than the US or the UK.


Nazi honored and applauded in Canadian Parliament (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121973-Nazi-honored-and-applauded-in-Canadian-Parliament.)

I shared this Great Quote yesterday: :flower:
We liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it.
Soviet General Georgy Zhukov (1896—1974)

Oh, indubitably.

And let's not forget how they behaved after the war.

In the end, after a long time, they left Germany, were promised NATO wouldn't expand into Eastern Europe, and the country was reunified. The Americans never did leave. They are still here, at the expense of the German taxpayer.

And NATO did not stand by its promise, eventually culminating in the situation we see now in Ukraine.

What I have learned from history is that I can at least trust the Russians to keep their word.

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CIA BLOCKED Release Of Key Russiagate Documents! (https://www.facebook.com/JimmyDoreShow/videos/913988743133796)

This very important recent video report, NOT to be found on Rumble (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Kash%20Patel) nor YouTube ... NO IDEA WHY! :facepalm:

rumble.com/search/all?q=Kash Patel
(https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Kash%20Patel)
cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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Dems DEMANDED Twitter Find Phony Russiagate Evidence! (https://www.facebook.com/JimmyDoreShow/videos/678703683725030)

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[Kryztian]

Nancy Pelosi on CNN claims that Palestinian peace protesters are working for Vladimir Putin. She says the FBI should investigate, but offers no proof.

Then she tells some of her constituents protesting in front of her house that they should "go back to China".

So who is backing them Nancy: China or Russia??? :facepalm:

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Lex Fridman Explains the Russian Langauge to Joe Rogan:

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00:13 Khabib Nurmagomedov (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSljXeiOAw)'s speech differs significantly in English and Russian, as he's more expressive and emotional in Russian.
01:10 Russian language is perceived to be more effective in conveying emotions and suffering due to its historical evolution through wars and atrocities.
01:54 Russian language allows more flexibility in word usage and swearing is considered an art form, enriching its expression.
02:24 Russian culture has a natural inclination towards humor and comedy, stemming from historical hardships and absurdities.
03:34 Russian education system emphasizes early exposure to heavy literature and strict perfectionism, fostering intellectualism and philosophical thinking.
05:38 There's uncertainty about whether Russian language shapes cultural communication styles or vice versa, prompting reflections on the cultural richness lost by not knowing other languages.

[Ravenlocke]

🇷🇺🇪🇺❗️The WEF has ordered all European governments to ban ALL Russians from owning property.

The World Economic Forum has ordered governments across Europe to completely ban all Russians from buying or owning property outside of Russia.

Finland, controlled by the WEF, has become the first EU country to implement the new WEF policy by completely banning Russian citizens from owning property in the country.

According to young global leader and Defense Minister Antti Hakkanen, the Finnish government has formed an inter-ministerial working group tasked with assessing the possibility of a complete ban on Russians acquiring real estate and preparing a final version of the law.

https://pravda-en.com/world/2024/01/31/294239.html

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https://x.com/dana916/status/1752775705086083196

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https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1753871002155561235

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It is about time to stop the systematic dehumanization of Russians (aka pushing the tunnel vision Russia Phobia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118563-Russophobia-why-do-so-many-people-in-the-west-hate-and-fear-Russia) campaign) by all US Liberal & US NeoCon/EU/Nato MSM (ignited by Hillary Clinton shortly before she knew she is going to lose the 2016 elections).


In my view, the biggest systematic push of a tunnel vision "Russia Phobia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118563-Russophobia-why-do-so-many-people-in-the-west-hate-and-fear-Russia)" narratives started, when Hillary Clinton openly threatened to use Nuclear weapons if Russia "interferes" with the 2016 elections on multiple levels ... not mentioning that anything can be considered "interference" even TELLING THE TRUTH via RT dot com (https://rumble.com/c/RTNews) or RT on YouTube ... Hillary Clinton quote: "We Are Losing The Information War (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGWuillRXM)"
The ultra hypocrisy of The USA is extreme harrowing knowing how they manipulated almost all elections in all countries worldwide!
So when a different source other than western Mainstream Media (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120654-Why-We-Don-t-Trust-Mainstream-Media-The-Munk-Debates) sharing hard verifiable truths & facts that HAVE an impact on how people think & judge how they are "governed" >>> will be seen as an "election intervention" even if it is 100% the truth that is exposed!
Many hard hitting uncovered truths that have been shared on RT (Russia Today) were ALREADY shared on Alex Jones's infowars (https://www.infowars.com) and countless other American based independent alternative media outlets ... Most, if not all were originally investigated & exposed by Americans not Russians >>> the moment RT used some of it Hillary claimed that is "proof" that Alternative Media is spreading "Russian Propaganda" WHICH IS A BLATANT LIE! ... It was RT using real independent research done by Americans and HELPS better understand how we all get scrwed on this (fcked up) planet done by lying psychopathic control freaks & dystopian technocrats (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum).

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://substack.com/@johnkuhles) 🦜🦋🌳

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The Russia Trip | Part 1:

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Watch parts 2 and 3 here: bit.ly/3OKZjJY (https://bit.ly/3OKZjJY)

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HUGE News: Russian Opposition Leader Alexei Navalny Reportedly Dies:

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Shellenberger, Taibbi Expose Yet Another Aspect of the Russiagate Plot:

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CIA 'COOKED INTEL' To Boost Russiagate:

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public.substack.com/p/cia-cooked-the-intelligence-to-hide (https://public.substack.com/p/cia-cooked-the-intelligence-to-hide)

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Per Glenn Greenwald, there is a lot more Russiaphobia coming our way. Per NBC news, Russia is working on creating deepfake audio and video to discredit Joe Biden "experts and officials say." Such outrageous and unsubstantiated claims basically conditioning Biden supporters to believe that any negative about Biden they hear is "fake Russian news."

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Olaf Scholz tells Putin who can and Kant quote a philosopher that lived Kalingrad, Russia (then Königsberg) and died a subject of the Russian crown.

German leader tells Putin he can’t quote legendary philosopher
Olaf Scholz has accused the Russian president of ‘poaching’ Immanuel Kant and misinterpreting his teachings
https://www.rt.com/news/596464-scholz-putin-kant-poaching/

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has lashed out at Russian President Vladimir Putin for quoting iconic German philosopher Immanuel Kant. Speaking on Tuesday at an event marking the 300th anniversary of Kant’s birth, Scholz accused Putin of trying to “poach” the great thinker as well as misrepresenting his ideas.


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Kant was born in 1724 in Koenigsberg (present-day Kaliningrad), which belonged to the Kingdom of Prussia before later becoming part of the Russian Empire. The philosopher is famous for his work on ethics, aesthetics and philosophical ontology, and is considered one of the pillars of German classical philosophy.

“Putin doesn’t have the slightest right to quote Kant, yet Putin’s regime remains committed to poaching Kant and his work at almost any cost,” Scholz said at the Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences, as quoted by Die Zeit.

Scholz said Russia’s role in the Ukraine conflict contradicts Kant’s fundamental teachings. He referred to Kant’s words on the interference of states in the affairs of other nations, and defended Kiev’s decision not to engage in peace talks with Moscow. He said Kant believed that forced treaties were not the way to reach ‘perpetual peace’ – a reference to one of Kant’s major works.

Putin has been known to praise and quote Kant, even suggesting in 2013 that the philosopher should be made an official symbol of Kaliningrad Region.

During a meeting with university students in Kaliningrad in January, Putin called Kant “one of the greatest thinkers of both his time and ours,” and said the philosopher’s call “to live by one’s own wits” is as relevant today as ever.

“A country must live by its own wits… This does not mean that we do not care about the interests of others... but we will never allow Russia’s interests to be neglected. In some countries, among our neighbors, this thesis has been forgotten. Many live by someone else’s wits. This will not bring them any good,” Putin stated.

The administration of Kaliningrad Region responded to Scholz’s statement on Tuesday, saying no one has done more than Russia to “perpetuate the memory of the great philosopher and his teachings.”

“Immanuel Kant died as a subject of the Russian crown. It seems to me that this, more than any words of all possible German politicians, shows the position of the great philosopher regarding Russia,” the governor’s press secretary, Dmitry Lyskov, said in a statement.

[Kryztian]

If there is just one answer to the question in the title of this thread, then this is it.

Russophobia in US ‘manufactured’ by elite politicians – Tara Reade
The former Biden aide shared her thoughts on the reasons for Washington’s attitude towards Russia at SPIEF-2024
https://www.rt.com/russia/598923-us-russophobia-manufactured-tara-reade/

The underlying reason for Russophobia in the US is completely monetary and intended to benefit the elite political class, RT contributor and former aide to President Joe Biden Tara Reade suggested during a panel discussion at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) on Friday.

Speaking during a panel hosted by RT, titled ‘The Empire of Evil: Has the West Successfully Demonized Russia?’ Reade suggested that Russophobia is “completely manufactured” by the Obama and Biden administrations, as well as the Republican Party and the military industrial complex.

The whistleblower, who currently lives in Russia, argued that the entire US system has been “overtaken by the intelligence community, by the military, and companies such BlackRock, Raytheon, and LockHeed.”

“There is no esoteric reason for Russophobia in the US, its monetary, its economic, it’s done purposefully,” Reade claimed, noting that the average American doesn’t know much about Russia.

As one example, she recalled her former boss Leon Panetta, who previously served as the head of the CIA. “Now he sits on the board of Raytheon. Yet you’ll see him on MSNBC trying to talk about why we should have more weapons going to Ukraine. Well, of course he wants more weapons, because he’s personally profiting.

“The politicians in the US that should be serving the people are serving their pocketbooks and the corruption is off the roof,” Reade suggested, adding that the Biden “regime” is now moving towards “fascism and a police state” in which people are losing their freedoms.

In 2020, Reade publicly accused Biden of having subjected her to a “violent sexual assault” on the Capitol grounds in 1993. She was working on the Democratic senator’s team at the time.

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[Jaak]

Interesting perspective from where this so called russophobia originated .
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Real BLUE SKIES in Russia :russia: (No Daily NATO Chemtrails! (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122504-They-Weaponized-The-Weather-2024-2025-Updates-))


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Real BLUE SKIES in Russia :russia: (No Daily NATO Chemtrails! (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122504-They-Weaponized-The-Weather-2024-2025-Updates-))


1825573573722820839Life in Russia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122026-Life-in-Russia)

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'Putin Is Not The Enemy': Italians 🇮🇹 Revolt, Pro-Russian Billboards Pop Up Everywhere:

This summer, hundreds of billboards have appeared across Italy with the text: 'Russia is not our enemy!' The billboards feature an image of shaking hands in the colours of the Italian 🇮🇹 and Russian flags. In Rome, signs also appeared reading: 'Enough money for weapons to Ukraine and Israel. We want peace. We are against war.' The posters first appeared in northern Italy in June and have been spotted in Verona, Modena, Parma, Pisa and several other cities in the Calabria region.
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'War mongers fuel Russophobia'

The Ukrainian embassy in Rome was not amused. “We are very concerned about the arrogance of Russian propaganda in the Eternal City,” the embassy wrote on X (https://x.com/UKRinIT/status/1832813095473029570) , which led to many angry reactions. The mayor of Rome ordered all posters to be removed. The organization Sovranita Popolare, which is behind the campaign, writes in an article (https://www.sovranitapopolare.org/2024/09/12/pace-nonviolenza-obiezione-neutralita-3/) on its website that "Italian warmongers have been stirring up Russophobia, hatred towards Russian people, culture and art, for two years."
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Majority against additional support

The Italian 🇮🇹 government of Giorgia Meloni is behind military support for Ukraine. Meloni and Ukrainian President Zelensky have met several times in Rome. Earlier this month, they met in Cernobbio in northern Italy. A poll conducted in May showed that a majority of Italians are against additional aid for Ukraine.


dutch (https://www.ninefornews.nl/poetin-is-niet-de-vijand-italianen-komen-in-opstand-overal-duiken-pro-russische-billboards-op/) 🇳🇱 (+ Multi-Language Options). 🦜🦋🌳

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/DravenNoctis/status/1838516982531981562

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Half The World Sides With Russia Not The U.S.!

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If you get all your information about international events from mainstream United States media outlets, you’d believe that the entire world is actively supporting Ukraine in its underdog battle against the big bad Russians. But as Professor John Mearsheimer (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=John%20Mearsheimer) points out, the reality is quite the opposite, with more than half the world’s population siding with Russia, and that includes rising powerhouses like China and India, not to mention virtually all of Africa.

As Jimmy points out, Ukraine is supported primarily by the United States and its client subordinates in Western Europe, Japan and South Korea. Almost everyone else hopes to see Russia prevail.

So sad that MSM does not get it ... or plays dumb or ARE dumb or are just pure evil!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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New pro-Russian government in Georgia // Is it safe for me to stay here?:

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In October, there were parliamentary elections in Georgia, and the party that is considered pro-Russian, won. Many of you wrote to me that it would be dangerous to return to Georgia after my European trip, or that I would return to a different country. So today I will walk in the streets of Tbilisi, interview locals and share my opinion on the situation.

[Patient]

I sometimes imagine what the world would be like if Russia and the U.S. actually worked together - really worked together.

I am not sure what it would look like, but I would like to see it!

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I sometimes imagine what the world would be like if Russia and the U.S. actually worked together - really worked together.

I am not sure what it would look like, but I would like to see it!


If majority in the USA & media FINALLY sees that Volodymyr Zelensky does NOT represent the will of all Ukrainians and that 100.000s of Ukrainian fathers, sons, uncles, husbands were send (forced) to do obvious suicide missions based upon countless lies & deceit ... how long before people realize it was never about "helping Ukrainians"?


‼️🌐⚠️ tinyurl.com/NATO-666 (https://tinyurl.com/NATO-666)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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GOP Congresswoman ENDS Adam Schiff's Career!! "Serial Liar" Proof Revealed On House Floor:

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Minister Lavrov on U.S. Attempts to Split Russia-China Ties | English Subtitles:

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In a recent interview with U.S. bloggers Mario Nawfal, Larry C. Johnson, and Andrew Napolitano in Moscow on March 12, 2025, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov addresses U.S. attempts to influence Russia-China relations, drawing comparisons to Cold War-era diplomacy. Lavrov emphasizes that the current strategic partnership between Russia and China is stronger than ever, built on trust, long-term cooperation, and mutual national interests. He acknowledges challenges due to sanctions but stresses that both nations remain committed to their shared vision, undeterred by external pressures.

Lavrov also reflects on U.S. political dynamics, quoting President Biden’s private remarks on the strengths of different governance systems. He contrasts the Biden administration’s strategic approach with Donald Trump’s vision, particularly regarding nuclear stability and diplomatic negotiations. With the expiration of the START III Treaty approaching, Lavrov underscores the importance of dialogue based on mutual respect rather than hostility. He affirms that Russia remains open to discussions but will not compromise its sovereignty or alliances under external pressure.

[Open Minded Dude]

Two very good articles why anti-Russian Propaganda works in the West and is firmly established but does not work - or is deliberately not applied - the other way round.

One reason why Russian's politicians and media don't do that much anti-West propaganda on their population is because Russians prefer facts to emotions, but propaganda works solely with emotions; for this see the excellent second article by T. Roeper who also refers to the first article because he translated it into German on his informative website.

https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/the-science-of-anti-russian-propaganda


The Science of Anti-Russian Propaganda
Professor Glenn Diesen

Propaganda is a science of persuasion that commonly circumvents the rational considerations of the individual by instead appealing to the unconscious group psychology. The conscious mind tends to be rational, but human behaviour and actions are largely shaped by the unconscious, primordial instincts, and emotions. The rational individual has strong impulses to adapt to the group, thus propaganda aims to influence the irrational group psychology.

Propaganda as a Science

Sigmund Freud explored the irrationality of “group psychology” that overrides the rational and critical capacities of the individual. Freud recognised that “a group is extraordinarily credulous and open to influence, it has no critical faculty”.[1] Conformity to the ideas of the group is powerful exactly because it is unconscious. Freud defined group psychology as being: “concerned with the individual man as a member of a race, of a nation, of a caste, of a profession, of an institution, or as a component part of a crowd of people”, which form a collective group consciousness, social instinct, herd instinct or tribal mentality.[2]

The nephew of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, built on the work of his uncle to develop the foundational literature on political propaganda. Bernays aimed to manipulate the collective consciousness and identity of the group to control the hearts and minds of the masses without their awareness of being manipulated:

“The group has mental characteristics distinct from those of the individual, and is motivated by impulses and emotions which cannot be explained on the basis of what we know of individual psychology. So the question naturally arose: If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it?”.[3]

Edward Bernays and Walter Lippman both worked in propaganda for the Woodrow Wilson administration. Bernays had assisted in convincing the American public to join the First World War by selling war as perpetual peace with slogans such as “the war to end all wars” and to “make the world safe for democracy”.

After the First World War, Bernays used his expertise to manipulate public opinion for commercial purposes with marketing campaigns. For example, Bernays led a marketing campaign convincing women it was feminine and emancipating to smoke cigarettes with the “Torches of Freedom” campaign. Bernays paid women to smoke in the Eastern Sunday Parade of 1929, which follows the principle of source credibility, as propaganda is more efficient when people trust the source and are unaware that it is propaganda.

Bernays used the same marketing principles for political aims as he was also hired by United Fruit Company when the government of Guatemala introduced new labour laws to protect workers. Bernays convinced the American public that liberal capitalist president of Guatemala was a communist who threatened basic freedoms. After Bernays shifted the American public opinion with deception, President Eisenhower launched a military intervention to topple the government under the auspices of fighting communism and defending freedom. In the 1920s, Joseph Goebbels, who would become the Nazi propaganda minister, became an ardent admirer of Bernays and emulated his propaganda techniques. As Bernays later acknowledged: “They were using my books as the basis for a destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany”.[4]

As the world became more complex, the general public became more reliant on cognitive shortcuts that often rely on assigned identities to process complex questions. People have to make hundreds or thousands of interpretations and decisions daily, and completely rational choices depend on an extensive assessment of alternatives and knowledge of relevant variables. Heuristics are manipulated by constructing stereotypes based on real or fictitious experiences and patterns of behaviour.

Most leading scholars on propaganda recognised that democracies are more likely to engage in propaganda as there is a greater need to manage the masses when sovereignty resides among the public. Propaganda is also assumed to be the instrument of state media. However, propaganda relies on source credibility as the message has greater influence when transmitted through a seemingly benign third party. American and British propaganda was more effective than Soviet propaganda during the Cold War as Western propaganda could be disseminated through private corporations and “non-governmental organisations”. Propaganda used to be considered a normal profession until the Germans gave it negative associations in the First World War. Edward Bernays renamed propaganda “public relations” to distinguish between “our” good propaganda and “their” malicious propaganda.

Anti-Russian Propaganda: The Virtuous “Us” Versus the Evil “Other”

Human beings organise in groups such as families, tribes, nations or civilisations for meaning, security and even a sense of immortality by reproducing the group. Conformity to the group is driven by powerful instincts to organise around common beliefs, ideas and morality, while the group also punish the individual for failing to conform. Group conformity is a survival instinct that strengthens when confronted by the out-group. The “Othering” of a people or state is instrumental in exaggerating the perceived homogeneity of the in-group and strengthening the collective identity and solidarity, while the out-group is depicted and de-legitimised as the diametrically opposite. Stereotypes are used to mask reason and reality, such as the humanity of the adversary. Propaganda entails appealing to the best in human nature to convince the audience to do the worst in human nature.

Russia has for centuries been depicted as the civilizational “Other” to the West. The West and Russia have been juxtaposed as Western versus Eastern, European versus Asiatic, civilized versus barbaric, modern versus backward, liberal versus autocratic, and even good versus evil. During the Cold War, ideological dividing lines fell naturally by casting the debate as capitalism versus communism, democracy versus totalitarianism, and Christianity versus atheism. After the Cold War, anti-Russian propaganda was revived by interpreting all political questions through the simplistic binary stereotype of democracy versus authoritarianism, which provides little if any heuristic value to understand the complexities of relations. Portraying Russia as a barbaric other suggests that the West must civilise, contain or destroy Russia to enhance security. Furthermore, a civilising mission or socialising role of the West infers that dominance and hostility are benign and charitable which reaffirms West’s positive self-identification. All competing power interests are concealed in the benign language of liberalism, democracy and human rights.

Russophobia is not a transitory phenomenon but has proven itself to be incredibly enduring due to its geopolitical function. Unlike the transitory Germanophobia or Francophobia that have been linked to particular wars, Russophobia has an endurance comparable to anti-Semitism. From the efforts of Peter the Great to Europeanise Russia in the early 18th century to the similar efforts of Yeltsin to “return to Europe” in the 1990s, Russia has not been able to escape the role of the “Other”. The West’s rejection of an inclusive European security architecture after the Cold War, in favour of creating a new Europe without Russia, was largely legitimised by the supposed lasting dichotomy between the West and Russia.

Walter Lippman observed more than a century ago that propaganda is good for war but bad for peace. Propaganda strengthens internal solidarity and assists with mobilising resources against an adversary. However, the public will reject a workable peace if they believe there is a struggle between good and evil. Lippman argued that to overcome the public’s inertia towards conflict “the enemy had to be portrayed as evil incarnate, as absolute and congenital wickedness… As a result of this impassioned nonsense, public opinion became so envenomed that the people would not countenance a workable peace”.[5]

This lesson remains true today. Selling the narrative of an evil and imperialist Russia unleashing an unprovoked attack on a thriving democracy justified fuelling a proxy war and rejecting any negotiations. The Hitler analogy is powerful as peace requires victory, while diplomacy is appeasement. A workable peace is now difficult to justify as it entails that good compromise with evil.

https://anti-spiegel.ru/2025/sind-die-russen-zu-dumm-fuer-propaganda/
(transl. with google):


Are the Russians too stupid for propaganda?

This week I published an article about the "science of propaganda," to which a reader asked in the comments whether Russians were "too stupid for the science of propaganda." The answer is "yes," and I want to explain that here.

by Anti-Spiegel
April 11, 2025 , 7:00 PM

On Tuesday, I translated an article titled " The Science Behind Anti-Russian Propaganda ," which very well explained how and why this Western media propaganda works so well. Articles like this, which explain propaganda techniques, obviously don't appeal to a broad audience, as the click count shows, but I find it extremely fascinating because I want to understand in detail how and why propaganda is so effective.

In the comments below the article, a reader wrote that there is no monopoly on any science and that propaganda methods can and are used by everyone. He suggested that the Russians also engage in this kind of propaganda and accused me of ignoring the topic. He concluded by asking the following question:

“Or does Mr. Röper want to make us believe that the Russians are too stupid for the science of propaganda?”

And the answer is "yes." Russians are indeed too stupid for propaganda. This doesn't mean they don't understand how the science of propaganda works, but they can't—or rather, don't want to—use this science. I experience and discuss this at every media conference I attend in Russia.

I guess I have to explain that.
Western propaganda

Propaganda is the same as PR or advertising; it operates according to the same rules and is, in fact, exactly the same. Advertising aims to popularize a product, PR aims to popularize an organization, for example, and (political) propaganda aims to popularize a political course.

And because it's all exactly the same, the same methods and tools are used. The goal is to appeal to the target audience's emotions, not to factual arguments. No car manufacturer would publish a dry list of its car's technical specifications as an advertisement; instead, they use beautiful images accompanied by music to create a mood. This could be the mood of an off-road adventure, the mood of a harmonious family that's incredibly happy in the car, or whatever.

This is also how the Western media's anti-Russian propaganda works. They let pictures do the talking, write flowery texts, and thereby create the desired emotions in the reader or viewer: Russians are evil. Russian men beat their wives. Russian soldiers loot and rape because that's perfectly normal in Russia, where men beat their wives.

In short, in their reports about Russia, just as in advertising, the media appeal to the emotions of the target audience and associate negative feelings with Russia and “the Russians.”

Of course, Russia knows this, but it still doesn't use these instruments. Why?
Are the Russians too stupid for propaganda?

The reason isn't that Russians are too stupid for it; it's that Russian nature is reluctant to appeal to emotions on factual issues. In Russia, they appeal to reason.

It would be unimaginable for the Russian Foreign Minister to stand in the UN Security Council holding up a test tube filled with a white powder to accuse Iraq of developing weapons of mass destruction. US Secretary of State Powell did just that, ultimately paving the political way for the Iraq War. It worked because it appealed to emotions, creating an image that stuck in everyone's mind: Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, and he must be stopped with war!

Instead, a Russian foreign minister addresses the UN and explains the Russian position in a dry speech, citing provisions of international law and international treaties. This sounds boring to most people and doesn't produce images that could be used propaganda-wise to stir the audience's emotions.

Russians are reluctant to use emotions to promote their own political position; they want to argue, explain, and convince. And that's far less effective than the emotional propaganda common in the West.
Russians don't like generalizations

In Russia, there are also no reports portraying "the Ukrainians" as evil. Russian media draw a strict distinction between the people of a country and the policies of its government. They distinguish between the radicals that exist in every country and the masses of the people in that country. Even during World War II, Russian newsreels never spoke of "the Germans" as evil; instead, they always distinguished between the "fascists" and the Germans.

In the West, however, propaganda demonizes and dehumanizes the people of Russia across the board. The enemy is not just Putin, but Russia and "the Russians." This one-sided approach can be emotionalized—in contrast to the differentiated approach common in Russia—and this is what is done to create the desired anti-Russian sentiment.

And that's exactly what Russian media doesn't do. I translate many news and reports from Russian media here, and anyone can see for themselves that this doesn't exist in Russia (as always, there are exceptions to the rule). Russian television doesn't demonize "Ukrainians" across the board; instead, it criticizes the Ukrainian government and the radical movements in Ukraine, while simultaneously claiming that average Ukrainians have to suffer under them. The Russian media always distinguishes between a country's politics and its people.

Therefore, one could say that the Russians are too stupid to use the science of propaganda. But one could also say (and this would be the correct formulation) that Russia finds these methods repulsive and does not want to descend to that level.

Therefore, there is an old Cold War joke among Russian journalists in which two Russian soldiers wash their war-stained boots in the Potomac River in Washington and terribly regret that Russia has lost the information war.

Russia neither won the information war in World War II, nor is it winning it today. One might regret that Russia only understands the science of propaganda but doesn't use it. But that can't be changed, because Russians find emotional manipulation in factual matters such as politics repulsive. The Russians can't overcome their fears...

All that remains for me to do now is to wish you a nice weekend and, as is customary with “Friday Thoughts,” thank everyone who supports my work.

[ExomatrixTV]

Full Speech: Not Russia, Not China? Lavrov Names NATO's Biggest Foe, and It’s Not Putin | NATO Vs US:

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, speaking at the Antalya Diplomacy Forum on April 12 delivered a striking critique of NATO, naming its biggest enemy. Lavrov argued that NATO's expansionist policies and ideological goals have undermined its unity and purpose. He also condemned the alliance’s growing presence in Ukraine and the Indo-Pacific, warning of escalating global tensions.

[Michel Leclerc]

(...)

The World Economic Forum has ordered governments across Europe to completely ban all Russians from buying or owning property outside of Russia.

(...)


I am puzzled. The WEF has ordered governments...

I do not doubt that the WEFists have means to strongly persuade, compel, press local governments into deploying policies they advocate but "order"? That is more something that happens to Mr Schwab himself when, draped in his neo-Raelite robe, he is summoned by his masters..

[Bill Ryan]

(...)
The World Economic Forum has ordered governments across Europe to completely ban all Russians from buying or owning property outside of Russia.
(...)
I am puzzled. The WEF has ordered governments...

I do not doubt that the WEFists have means to strongly persuade, compel, press local governments into deploying policies they advocate but "order"? That is more something that happens to Mr Schwab himself when, draped in his neo-Raelite robe, he is summoned by his masters..The source was Pravda, which is often quite sensational and isn't a fraction as reliable as TASS, RIA Novosti, Izvestia or RT. I doubt it's true!

(https://rossiyasegodnya.com/brand/94445.html)

[Ravenlocke]

(...)
The World Economic Forum has ordered governments across Europe to completely ban all Russians from buying or owning property outside of Russia.
(...)
I am puzzled. The WEF has ordered governments...

I do not doubt that the WEFists have means to strongly persuade, compel, press local governments into deploying policies they advocate but "order"? That is more something that happens to Mr Schwab himself when, draped in his neo-Raelite robe, he is summoned by his masters..The source was Pravda, which is often quite sensational and isn't a fraction as reliable as TASS, RIA Novosti, Izvestia or RT. I doubt it's true!

(https://rossiyasegodnya.com/brand/94445.html)

Yes it is fake about the WEF policy/ ordering European governments, but the Finland part is true, and the only other source that reported it that way is

thepeoplesvoice.tv,

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/wef-orders-govts-to-ban-all-russians-from-owning-property/

But according to a report by Zerohedge, Finland just passed a bill to completely ban property purchases and transactions by Russians.

https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1911037884330553696

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[Open Minded Dude]

The following is not a satire and not a joke. No, by far not. The following is - unbelievably - a broadcast by ZDF, one of the two German mainstream channels.
I still cannot believe that they are doing this and that quite a few NPCs in my country might even fall for it (but not all of them).

So what did their 'investigative journalism' find out about?
They have 'found' a new scapegoat for all the terrorist islamist attacks (by car, knive) in Germany. And by this they push a 'conspiracy theory' that is so nuts you can easily put it in the category of flat-earth. Yet they still claim that the other side are still the tinfoil-hatters.
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

So who is responsible for all the terrorist attacks? Who is behind it pulling the strings, orchestrating it?

The answer: Putin!

Yes, you read it right. It's the bloody Russians again. Who else? (Ok could have been the AfD, Trump or climate change too, but only in second place.)

Again, be reminded this is really happening and it is really a serious report by German Mainstream "News" TV. It could (no: should) be a satire but it really is not. They are dead serious about it.

But there's hope: I heard that even for some normies it is too far out and they are skeptical of the claims. So they got some backlash but still try to defend and push it.

Did not find an English text version of the story yet but YouTuber "Clownswelt" (German for "Clown World" - and this is where I live in now in my country) mocks it perfectly and as much as it as I would do, he also quotes reasons by real researchers why their 'evidence' is absolute nonsense.

(it's in German but for English subs turn on the button down to the right, translation is not perfect but works well enough).
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[Tintin]

Already understood by many of us here on the forum, but, well worth a reminder I think; a historical quote from Alexander Solzhenitsyn courtesy of Dmitry K on X (https://x.com/WWNHost/status/1922930073092685914):



“You must understand: the Bolshevik leaders who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred, they tortured and killed millions of Russians without the slightest human remorse.

The October Revolution was not what you in America call the ‘Russian Revolution.’ It was an invasion and conquest of the Russian people.

My compatriots suffered more horrific crimes at the hands of these bloodthirsty men than any people or nation has ever suffered in the history of mankind. This should not be underestimated.

Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time.

The fact that the world knows nothing about this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this post by Helvetic on his thread: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1669750&viewfull=1#post1669750) :thumbsup:

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Source: x.com/ivan_8848 (https://x.com/ivan_8848)

Description:

Europe is Infected with Suicidal Russophobia

‘The STRONGER RUSSIA is, the STRONGER RUSSOPHOBIA is in the West’

Russophobia is Racism

Nowadays Russian culture is being canceled everywhere. 'It is a new type of Russophobia. It’s a kind of ethnic and cultural hate. It is the same as racism.’ Guy Mettan, Swiss historian and journalist, studies how the West has treated Russians for many centuries. He believes that Europe has always applied double standards to Russia.

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[Michel Leclerc]

Excellent analysis – which verges on the real explanation when Mettan makes the link with “antisemitism” (which, as I explained elsewhere, should more properly be called anti-Jewism or, less correctly, anti-Judaism), calling Russophobia a form of racism.

Racism being, as Wilhelm Reich has demonstrated, a psychosis, i.e. a sexual pathology – and when it appears “massively” a form of mass psychosis, i.e. a massive pathology of how sexuality is structured in the mind, felt in the soul and experienced in the body.

As language is an aspect of our humanity that pervades our entire being, it is not surprising that racism is a disease of how we experience language as well.

The hatred of the Russians is related to the nature of the Slavonic languages who have rich consonant clusters which are deemed “unpronounceable” to speakers of "Western" languages. But Russian is especially abhorrent because it moreover has a different writing system. In that, it shares the fate of Arabic, which has a few difficult consonants and of course its own writing – and for how long hasn’t the Arabic-speaking cheap working force in Europe been treated with racism by Western populations?

The lack of interest in using and inclination to use their mouths to speak the language (or for love-making, for that matter) stilts the Westerners’ ability to identify with the other, preferring to de-symbolise – i.e. to diabolise – Russians.

No wonder Westerners do not actually give a damn about the bodies of the Palestinians or Ukrainians (...or Russians).

[ExomatrixTV]

Putin Shocker From Musk's Father Sparks Firestorm from Moscow | Errol Breaks Silence After Trump Row:

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Errol Musk, father of Elon Musk, publicly backs his son’s principled stance while praising Russian President Vladimir Putin as “very impressive.” He challenges the Western portrayal of Moscow, arguing that the image of Russia in the West is misleading. Errol’s remarks add a controversial perspective to ongoing geopolitical debates, highlighting differing views on Russia’s role on the world stage.

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
‼️🇷🇺 The world's tallest building, the Burj Khalifa in the #UAE, was painted in the colors of the #Russian flag in honor of #Russia Day.

https://x.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1933217162975416642

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[rgray222]

The best stories often feature a villain because a compelling antagonist creates conflict, which is essential for engaging storytelling. The more masterful and diabolical the villain, the more it elevates the story and shines the spotlight on the hero, the protagonist. Today's corporate media from all over the world have scaled the villain up to cause as much fear and anger as possible. I don't think there is anywhere near the amount of hate towards Russia as some may think, people are busy with their lives, and Russia is some God-forsaken snow-bound country in the north. Media and politicians are the ones promoting the hate, and their ratings are at historical all-time lows. The legacy media channels are dam near out of business, and today's politicians are more hated than Russia.

On the other hand, I do believe that the very controlled media in both China and Russia are creating anger and hatred towards the USA. Some of it is obviously well deserved, but ultimately, the hate and the fear are a means of controlling the population.

[Ewan]

On the other hand, I do believe that the very controlled media in both China and Russia are creating anger and hatred towards the USA.


Conversely is the American, UK and European media doing the same thing in the opposing direction? I believe the Roman's had an expression for it?

[rgray222]

On the other hand, I do believe that the very controlled media in both China and Russia are creating anger and hatred towards the USA.


Conversely, is the American, UK and European media doing the same thing in the opposing direction? I believe the Roman's had an expression for it?

My apologies if I did not make myself clear. Western politicians and the mainstream media are creating fear and anger towards Russia daily, but the credibility of the media and politicians is so shattered that people are not buying it. At least in the numbers they hoped.

On the other hand, China and Russia control their media with a very tight grip, and the propaganda towards the West is a very serious business and at times even comical. If you want to see the effect it is having on the average citizen, then choose a Chinese site that discusses world politics and read the comments towards the West that they are leaving. The anger and hate are almost palatable. It is impossible to know if these comments are from real citizens or government trolls, but it makes little difference.

[ExomatrixTV]

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source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1947293324320145654)

[Ravenlocke]

Maria Zakharova:

Russian piano school against Russophobia

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1949399316931514694

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[Ravenlocke]

That puts the only recently removed sw@stika in the Finnish air force flag in a whole different light, doesn't it 🤷🏻 especially as it was adopted around the same time as in Germany...

https://x.com/jaccocharite/status/1949562112302555313

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By the end of 1941, over 13,000 civilians were imprisoned. By mid-1942, the number rose to nearly 22,000. In total, around 30,000 people passed through 13 camps. Roughly one-third died, from starvation, disease, and forced labor. These figures do not include POW camps, where conditions were equally deadly. Since most men were drafted in the early days of the war, the majority of the labor force in the camps consisted of women and children.

In April 1942, Finnish politician Väinö Voionmaa wrote home:

“Out of 20,000 Russian civilians in Äänislinna, 19,000 are in camps. Their food? Rotten horse meat. Children scavenge garbage for scraps. What would the Red Cross say if they saw this?”

In 1942, the death rate in Finnish camps exceeded that of German ones. Testimonies describe corpses being hauled daily, teenagers forced into labor, and women and children made to work 10+ hour shifts in forests and camps, unpaid until 1943.

https://rabkrin.org/vojonmaa-vyajnyo-diplomaticheskaya-pochta-1984-kniga/

Camp No. 2, unofficially known as the “death camp,” was notorious for its brutality. It held “disloyal” civilians, and its commandant, Finnish officer Solovaara, became infamous for public beatings and killings. In May 1942, he staged a mass beating of prisoners simply for begging. Those who resisted forced labor, often in brutal logging camps, were beaten to death in front of others “as a lesson.”

According to the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission, Finnish forces conducted medical experiments on prisoners and branded them with hot iron unlike the Nazis, who tattooed. Finland also engaged in slave trading, selling abducted Soviet civilians for agricultural labor.

An estimated 14,000 civilians died in Karelia between 1941 and 1944, excluding POWs. But many of the dead labeled as “prisoners of war” were actually civilians: most rural Soviets lacked passports, and anyone of conscription age was assumed to be a soldier.

In 2021, the FSB declassified the names of 54 Finns responsible for the genocide of the Soviet population.

https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/sovetskie-voennoplennye-v-finskih-kontslageryah-karelii-obzor-literatury/viewer

https://x.com/rinalu_/status/1949319901350441397

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[9ideon]

I have this thingy in my bar (Windows 11) which sorts out all kinds of Mainstream crap for MSN (Microsoft thingy), loads of fake news talking about fake news and so on. Obviously pro-Ukrainian and anti-Rusky.

So, sometimes I take the brave approach and read some of the anti-Putin and Russia segments, well, the comments on them.

I never leave those articles without anger, therefore and understandably I have to take breaks for days at the time sometimes in reading those. People are so fecked in the brain by lies told to them that these replies are often well... heartbreaking from a Dutch perspective, it is all Parroting the mainstream news and opinion show indoctrinations that comes out of these People, not one single person has taken up the Gauntlet to do any digging for themselves. It is mind-blowing how this has evolved, concerning all ages, in a downward spiral (no offence Spiral, lol), we Dutch used to be a well informed, annoyingly argumentative bunch of Langers, well, no more of that, perhaps a couple here and there, on this forum and so, but in general, Itching Moses it's terrible.

I noticed one reply about Russia not taking note of Trumps 50 day blablabla, now 12 or 11 or something whatever. That person said something like, "who laughs last laughs best, Putin will find out very soon". Indicating that Hato will destroy Russia in no time, it angers me, not just for the destroying Russia part, but the sheer naivety of these People, I have to share a fecking country with these idiots.

Can't say anything in public for all kinds of reasons, physical violence directed at me for one, having me harassed by authorities for the other, and all in between (I mean, I have been informed through my Xbox Party by a contractor (during a game, he wanted to join my Clan, a lie obviously, and for my IP they need to be in the party with you) whom was breaking inside my pc at the same time, (PC and Box stand near each other) I had a feeling that he was playing me, seeing my defences being turned off one by one when I immediately checked, very weird experience, not 1st* time though, he did not know I noticed), it's a real shame.

***Weirdest thing being all my battery holding devices empty in the blink of an eye, all fully charged with one of them (phone or notebook) coming off the charger minutes before, I mean empty, nada zilch left in respective batteries, actually weird doesn't really describe the feeling. Never found an explanation for it either.

Also had some virus hidden on a unpublished site of mine, I sometimes use to grab crap of off (like those Venus pics today), when I opened it, something deleted all my docs (one of the docs was those Russian papers relating to Ukraine labs and Covid, would like a copy of those again) and whatever else on my Hdd, except for my games, also very weird, especially because of where it seemed hidden in waiting.

Anyway,

Goebbels's propaganda scheme is working real well in our country, it's going to cost a lot of lives if this continues.

[Ravenlocke]

Crazy citizens attack Russian speakers abroad

Several drunk refugees from Ukraine shouted "Russian terrorists" and attacked and beat Russian-speaking citizens of Norway, reports the local publication iNyheter.

The attack happened after the Ukrainians heard a mother and son speaking Russian to each other. Only the police were able to break up the fight.

"I was born and raised in Norway and have partial Russian roots, but yesterday refugees from Ukraine attacked me and my mother – just because we were speaking Russian," said the victim.

It is interesting why the fleeing Ukrainians are not so zealous in defending Ukraine on the front lines? Or is it easier to fight in Norway?
- UARU

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1950521867741106354

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[Ravenlocke]

🤡 In Lvov, officials are now cutting down trees because they were planted in the Soviet era.

“These trees were planted without any need,” said Vladimir Remenyak. Another added they reminded people of the NKVD and KGB.

Around 70 trees were destroyed… I can't belive this is actually a real thing.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1951683506117251177

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[Ravenlocke]

🇷🇺 “The primitiveness of Anglo-Saxon geopolitics is staggering. They’re trapped in their two-hundred-year-old myths, and their manic Russophobia threatens the entire world.” — Sergey Glazyev

https://x.com/apocalypseos/status/1951720523010109884

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