Do you believe in God ?

[Eagle Eye]

This is not a poll about a strict religious branch, this is an open concept about the belief in the Creator of the worlds, who has power over everything, who created every creature in this planet or elsewhere, who created the good and evil, the light and the darkness, the spiritual realm and the material, who is all knowing and all merciful. The one who we don't know His form or image.
That's my strong belief too.

[ExomatrixTV]

The word "believe" to me, means: "not knowing for sure" ... also to accept having certain assumptions without real evidence. That is why I rather consider or know or experience myself etc.


Do you "believe" in UFOs is a super silly question as mainstream media wrongfully assumes it is "only" a "belief-system" >>> just like religions are (by default!).

The concept of a Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien-made belief-systems ... In my view Prime-Creator is beyond anything we project on it ... that does not mean it is "not there" ;)


"Brother Ralphos" Irishman from Paltalk Chatroom (https://www.paltalk.com) (I ran in early 2000s) quote: "If God (as described in the human-written Bible) is KNOWN to exist no "belief-system" is required anymore ... no "belief" needed anymore". unquote

Do you "believe" Japan to exist or do you know that Japan exist!

If your wife/husband ask you if you love her/him ... how would she/he respond if you say: "I believe I do" versus "yes! I do".

To me, the word "believe" is a weak verb ... but it can certainly have a strong psychological impact including your physical well-being.

example:

If I genuinely believe that a "flying pink elephant in the sky" exists that protects me form all evil ... having that assumption (even without any evidence) may help me psychologically so much so, that I sleep better, am free from having all kinds of fears >>> thus my "way of living" using my full potential is far "better off" than not having that belief-system.

You could say it is a form of self-hypnosis. And when you take that away from anyone it is OBVIOUS it can make it worse for people not knowing how to find their own empowerment from within and/or being 100% responsible for your own quality of thinking.

Because of my Near Death Experience when I was 5 years old ... I know (not just a "believe") that we are so much more than our "5 senses" can show us ... and because of that experience I fear no death ... Having no fear of death is KEY to understand how I am not to be "boxed" in any religious system that people love to project on me.

Most (fanatic) Christians assume that "how I think" (and feel) ... "must" be the same as "rejecting Jesus as our only Savior" and/or assuming I "must" be a misguided "New Ager" and/or "am working with the Devil" and/or "I am influenced by Demons" and/or I suppose to be a victim of "evil spirits" and/or ... and the list is super long WHY I am so so fed up with most of them!

To me, most followers of Jesus are so unlike Christ! ... I can talk/write about this topic endlessly ... but let me sum it up quite simple:

If (the concept) of a TRUE Prime Creator that created everything ... then everything that comes from it >>> is off it, like sparks of a fire ... even if you decide to not to accept that insight and totally forgot (https://youtube.com/watch?v=lQnfFJMwsCo) your own true origins.

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.160x160o.f6c78faaf102.png

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
June 6th, 2022 🦜🦋🌳

[Eagle Eye]

The word "believe" to me means "not knowing for sure" ... also to accept having certain assumptions without real evidence.


Do you "believe" in UFOs is a silly question mainstream media assume it is "only" a "belief-system" just like religion.

The concept of a Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien-made belief-systems ... In my view Prime-Creator is beyond anything we project on it ... that does not mean it is "not there" ;)


We are born and we will die without seeing God, so it's a matter of belief and faith, without hard evidences only concepts, signs, clues and most important Scriptures in different countries, cultures and times.

[Anchor]

When you know the ultimate answer, you then find out you needed to know the ultimate question that gave it meaning.

It is hard enough getting my head to fully hold the concept of a Klein bottle, and now you give me this multiple choice?

All is one, all creation in its infinite endlessness is the creator. We are all one, and so we are all part of one infinite creator.

If we see ourselves as limited and separate - as almost all of us in our incarnated situation will do, it puts in a situation we can contemplate what it means to believe and in which we can contemplate idea of a God, instead of actually being fully part of it all.

I cant select an answer in the test as there isn't an answer which encapsulates the multidimensional and infinite expanse that is creation, and may also be God.

But...

Thanks for asking the question!

[ExomatrixTV]

Instant Classic & Epic Satire:

lQnfFJMwsCo

[mizo]

My question would be 'Does God believe in Me'

[ExomatrixTV]

My question would be 'Does God believe in Me'

They will quote (human written/translated/edited) "holy scripture" on you ad nauseam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam) ... "to make you believe He believes in you" even if it is a weak verb (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118759-Do-you-believe-in-God&p=1501647&viewfull=1#post1501647) ... the word "believe".

[ExomatrixTV]

So many assume that when you say: "I do not believe" because I want to know/experience they have a way to MAKE you "experience" things that fits their version of a belief-system ... not realizing that psychological (control) mechanism can be applied on so many other "belief systems" as well having also special or profound meaning to people ...

The more people doing the same ... the more likely people assume "it must be right then" ... meanwhile it can also be a form of "mass formation psychosis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism)" and/or mass hypnosis and/or mass use of the power of suggestion using NLP-type techniques etc.

My own focus is that I want to be held accountable and be fully responsible for my own quality of thinking not hiding behind any belief-system that tells me how to think ... This is a hard one for many to understand where I coming from.

When someone is empowered from within without harming nor (ab)using nor lying to anyone ... You do not "need" to have power over others anymore ... Anyone that "needs" power (control) over others actually makes a clear statement: ... that you do not have it ... Psychopathic control freaks & people needing power over others are just pathetic parasites using all kinds of schemes & deception techniques to keep them "in power" based upon lies. Does not matter who is doing it ... like: Politicians, Bankers, Religious leaders, Priests, Popes, CEOs, WEF Minnions, Bilderbergers, Head of Secret Societies etc. etc.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

When anyone claims "I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything"


my follow up question to that belief is ...

How much of that belief is what humans interpreted/edited/translated FOR you? ... they did "the work" for you ...

How much trust do you place in The First Council of Nicaea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea) a council of Christian bishops convened in the Bithynian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia) city of Nicaea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaea) (now İznik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%B0znik), Turkey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey)) by the Roman Emperor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Emperors) Constantine I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great) in AD 325 who are all humans not the "Prime Creator"!

Now you understand that any "believe" is heavily related to others do the "interpretation work" connected to their agenda of control-mechanisms even if it was done with "good intentions" they still can become victim of: peer pressure, bias, having assumptions, pleasing power structures, hierarchical thinking & behavior at the time etc. etc.


In my view, to question all of that does not make you "evil".

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Vicus]

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[O Donna]

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Stylized duality,
Witch is witch

Same, but from another perspective:
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When you know the ultimate answer, you then find out you needed to know the ultimate question that gave it meaning.



42, good as any

[pyrangello]

My dad passed away this past December at his house a few doors down from mine. He was 89 , he knew his heart was bad and he had gone to the hospital for a 2cd time to get the water off his heart. Only this time they had to keep his heart going with an IV medicated drip. So after a conference call with the family and docs my dad said he wanted to come home to spend his last moments here on earth at his house and with family. The ambulance company brought him home on the IV drip and once in the house then finally disconnected the IV with the meds. We all spent that day talking about old times and the military and had some wine and enjoyed many laughs. We did not know if he was going to last 1 minute , 1 hour, or days at this point. My mom slept in the chair next to him that night and it was a good day and we were all glad to have him back. The next day friday the IV drip with the meds was wearing off. We gave him some morphine oral liquid provided by hospice but my dad was still alert and functional. I came home from work at 5:30 pm and went to his house and sat next to him, we talked a bit and he got up to go to the bathroom. He was then sitting upright on the side of the bed and ate some peaches and drank some juice. He got quiet for a minute and lifted his eyes and looked at me and said " I'm ready for the man to come and get me ! ". He was tired, he was ready. I said something back to him in a little joking way and then got him to sit back in his inclined bed we had for him. I got him comfortable and said hows that. He got quiet again .

A few moments went by and then he lunged forward because he heart was stopping , I told my mom to get me a cold washcloth and then my dad lunged forward again not taking in any air at all. As he did this a second time as I was reaching down and grabbing his elbow and other hand he spoke his final 2 words as clear as a bell. He said "MY LORD". Not in distress, not as a reaction but only as if he was seeing GOD. He never grabbed my hand back when he said that, I think he was already leaving his body as he closed his eyes right after he said that.

A few days before he died my mom was staying in the living facility the hospital was providing , she took the elevator up to the floor she was on one evening after staying with my dad. She was alone. She walked out the elevator and she said someone gave her a hung from behind her and said " My dad is going to be ok, gods got this! ". ..................................... My mom said nobody was on that floor or behind her after she heard this, I'm thinking that was one of my dads guardian angels that did this. I have many more stories than this involving divine intervention. I'm gonna miss my dad, he was a great guy.

[Wind]

I don't have to believe in the ultimate reality, Love. I know it's real and it's all that is. We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that love.

The human intellect could never fully grasp the Creator so it's pointless even try to define it. We just call "it" God, Brahman, Tao, Allah etc. We obviously are all part of the Creator. Now we just think that we are individual human beings because we feel separate due to our egos which constitute our so called our personalities. Theatrical characters in a theatre play.

[Matthew]

The word "believe" to me, means: "not knowing for sure" ... also to accept having certain assumptions without real evidence. That is why I rather consider or know or experience myself etc.


Do you "believe" in UFOs is a super silly question as mainstream media wrongfully assumes it is "only" a "belief-system" >>> just like religions are (by default!).

The concept of a Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien-made belief-systems ... In my view Prime-Creator is beyond anything we project on it ... that does not mean it is "not there" ;)


"Brother Ralphos" Irishman from Paltalk Chatroom (https://www.paltalk.com) (I ran in early 2000s) quote: "If God (as described in the human-written Bible) is KNOWN to exist no "belief-system" is required anymore ... no "belief" needed anymore". unquote

Do you "believe" Japan to exist or do you know that Japan exist!

If your wife/husband ask you if you love her/him ... how would she/he respond if you say: "I believe I do" versus "yes! I do".

To me, the word "believe" is a weak verb ... but it can certainly have a strong psychological impact including your physical well-being.

example:

If I genuinely believe that a "flying pink elephant in the sky" exists that protects me form all evil ... having that assumption (even without any evidence) may help me psychologically so much so, that I sleep better, am free from having all kinds of fears >>> thus my "way of living" using my full potential is far "better off" than not having that belief-system.

You could say it is a form of self-hypnosis. And when you take that away from anyone it is OBVIOUS it can make it worse for people not knowing how to find their own empowerment from within and/or being 100% responsible for your own quality of thinking.

Because of my Near Death Experience when I was 5 years old ... I know (not just a "believe") that we are so much more than our "5 senses" can show us ... and because of that experience I fear no death ... Having no fear of death is KEY to understand how I am not to be "boxed" in any religious system that people love to project on me.

Most (fanatic) Christians assume that "how I think" (and feel) ... "must" be the same as "rejecting Jesus as our only Savior" and/or assuming I "must" be a misguided "New Ager" and/or "am working with the Devil" and/or "I am influenced by Demons" and/or I suppose to be a victim of "evil spirits" and/or ... and the list is super long WHY I am so so fed up with most of them!

To me, most followers of Jesus are so unlike Christ! ... I can talk/write about this topic endlessly ... but let me sum it up quite simple:

If (the concept) of a TRUE Prime Creator that created everything ... then everything that comes from it >>> is off it, like sparks of a fire ... even if you decide to not to accept that insight and totally forgot (https://youtube.com/watch?v=lQnfFJMwsCo) your own true origins.

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.160x160o.f6c78faaf102.png

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
June 6th, 2022 🦜🦋🌳

Wow well said; Christians, in my lofty and possibly blasphemous opinion, would/could/should be spirit first, law second as preached by Jesus. Honesty and humility and optimism go well with this apparently (in my own dumb understanding of my own dogma).

And what does believe mean? ...like your approach... This subject is related to something I wanted to share here,...

...Like I think I'm a believer but when I have a hard look at what I trust in life, I see what I actually believe in. Do I really believe in God? Or do I really believe in money? If I believed in God I would trust what God says, and I am so far away from that (as a 'believer'), I keep all my money then spend it selfishly.

Now this is my culture, as a Babylonian Englishman and who would fault me for spending my money on modern rubbish that keeps me in an infant state cool modern things that impress people*1? So I thought I was a believer but I see how much I have to learn yet. Jesus wasn't a Christian and when does worshipping a cross become idle worship? In the early stories of Abraham idles have a starring role (in a bad way). People might ask "what would Jesus do?" but look back and ask: what would Abraham have said about Christian idles? :bigsmile: Sorry I'm having too much fun with this. I identify as a Christian and I own a crucifix, although on increasing reflection I don't hold it half as sacred as my own humble believing.

*1 I don't really buy 'cool stuff', I just bought 300L of manure, some chicken shĩt and calcium chloride to make activated charcoal for water filters. And a ludicrous amount of sugar to make preserve. Ok, fair enough, the manure and chicken **** is actually cool

[Ewan]

and when does worshipping a cross become idle worship?

If that was deliberate I say well done! :D

[Matthew]

and when does worshipping a cross become idle worship?

If that was deliberate I say well done! :D

Lol no it wasn't but I think I see it now. If not please please explain it to me.

edit add: I've got a terrible sense of spelling, idle vs idol or patients vs patients, or weather whether either or whatever, ... Ack, I still get caught out

edit adderendum: presents and presence; one is introduced with a polite cough. Aloud and allowed, a round and around. This is such a stupid language.

[Craig]

I feel that there could be another option, we are all god in singular individualistic form experiencing creation from a third dimension perspective, maybe admiring our handiwork? Or similar to the conversations with god books. Either way when I shuffle back to home/source I shall decide to set up camp there for the next billion years.

[pueblo]

I feel that there could be another option, we are all god in singular individualistic form experiencing creation from a third dimension perspective, maybe admiring our handiwork? Or similar to the conversations with god books. Either way when I shuffle back to home/source I shall decide to set up camp there for the next billion years.

Yes, so the question should really be: Do I believe in myself?

[Casey Claar]

It is a wonderful question ( every time it is asked ).

The choices in the poll do not allow me to take the poll itself - but I would indeed answer.

I am aware of / believe/perceive/take part in a CREATIONING.

A movement, if you will, that makes all ( things ) move.

I refer to its formation as 'the kaleidoscope' and it is the main experience for me in this incarnation.

It is also often referred to at large as the dimensional existence.

It is phenomenal, of course, but the experience OF it is very real to us. So real we generally refer to it as reality.

Personifying the Creationing ( the Original Movement ), making it into a Creator is something we can and DO do, but I find it less a fact - less fundamental - than the Creationing itself.

I do often sense, and even on some level experience That which underlies the Creationing, but this is not what most are referencing when speaking of or asking about 'God'. This Underlying Principle is beyond conception, but the concepts I notice most used to describe it are : Stillness, Silence, Presence, One-Without-a-Second. It lay beyond all experience and is therefore so far beyond what any embodied being may know that is a small circle indeed who might benefit from discussion in this direction. Still---the opening is ever-present.


Casey

[ulli]

In situations where chaos has suddenly righted itself, and a beautiful outcome had me amazed and stunned, I’ve often said, “OMG, God is really, really real.” “Praised be the Lord!!!”
It has happened too many times for me to ignore it.

Especially while living in a third world country, where there are less systems in place that make life convenient, miracles become more noticeable.

For me it is fact that prayers work. Fact, not just belief.

And that the Source is not only listening, but sending out responses and messages, via telepathy, to the aether, which then get picked up by individuals of which a small percentage decide to act and then come into my life to help me sort out whatever mess there was.

The appreciation of such a marvelous outcome is then a major part of getting more of the same.

Worship is a higher frequency than just love, so worship can raise one to a level of extreme awe; a level at which star gates open, and exquisite visions appear. This channel between the self and the Almighty Source, opens because of our own willingness to look, and seek.

It gives glimpses of the divine Perfection, which I consider the absolute in Goodness, in Beauty, in Love, and even in Mathematics, as expressed in the geometry of astrology.

[Sunny-side-up]

We are all ONE on a PATH, where did it start and where is it going.

If you believe the above then who put the path there :)

Thx Eagle Eye :sun:

[ExomatrixTV]

change the word "believe" with: "I seriously consider" and do the same poll all over again ... you might have much better & more accurate (useful) results!

Even then, you still have to answer the question about who is doing the "thinking/reasoning/judging" and who is really responsible for your quality of your "thinking/reasoning/judging" >>> based upon what exactly?

If people need others to do the thinking for them they can always blame them later on when it turns out to be lies or "half-truths" or "deliberate narrow perspectives" serving their system of control mechanism agenda.


I did not participate in this poll for that reason!

Same issue with "believing" in UFOs or not poll.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Waldo]

I didn't believe in god until I saw this

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[ExomatrixTV]

I didn't believe in god until I saw this
bj78yCaumpc
I immediately recognized the voice of Seth MacFarlane (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0532235) in your posted video ... to me, he is a genius on so many levels :) among others because of producing 3 seasons (!) of Orville (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G982GjpWZDU)
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cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Dumpster Diver]

God (Source) yes, religions NO.

[Eagle Eye]

First I want to thank you all for partecipating and also expressing your concept about God. If we all would communicate like this in everyday life, we would elaborate more the complexity of our Creator/God/The Almighty, but sadly this kind of discussion is "forbidden" in many places and allowed mostly in religious institution and that is precisely where the word God is misused (intentionally or not).

[Tyy1907]

First I want to thank you all for partecipating and also expressing your concept about God. If we all would communicate like this in everyday life, we would elaborate more the complexity of our Creator/God/Source, but sadly this kind of discussion is "forbidden" in many places and allowed mostly in religious institution and that is precisely where the word God is misused (intentionally or not).

Totally, the g word. They've tried to cancel God. Like coyotes luring your dog to the bush line.

I firmly stand by bringing God "back" (God never left) to help us out of the quick sand we're all in. They are acting but only in proportion to those that ask.

[O Donna]

I didn't believe in god until I saw this

bj78yCaumpc

Profanity will do that.

Just change to haven and heck

Example:

Homeless have been reclassified (unsheltered), problem solved.

[bearcow]

If any of you see him, dm me his number.

He owes me a lot of money.

[Matthew]

If people need others to do the thinking for them they can always blame them later on when it turns out to be lies or "half-truths" or "deliberate narrow perspectives" serving their system of control mechanism agenda.

They've corrupted religions long ago, so long ago it's set in stone. Like Sodom and Gomorrah is far more than a bum sex story, yet sodomy has become the word for it. Sodomy should mean gratuitous rape culture not what it does mean. Fear based control in the Catholic church is another derp, twisting the message into you are bad and you must be punished which is a cruel spin, and it remains as the subtext.

I never identified with any established church. I was a Christian in my head for a long time before I found the Nag Hammadi, then I stumbled upon something in there that kind of activated me; it was profound, and sort of rang like a bell for months or years. I showed it to another avant guard independent Christian friend and he said the same, it was profound and lingered. I made an instant friend at the Stand In The Park, and she(/(biologically he)) talked about a profound verse from the Nag Hammadi, and I spotted her book, and the bookmark was on the page of the same profound verse as if she was stunned and had to process that for the rest of her life.

The Nag Hammadi consists of books once thought entirely destroyed during the early Christian struggle to define "orthodoxy". Then it started coming back in time for the internet haha. What's the opposite of pyrrhic victory? A winning lose? I feel like I win when I lose. That reminds me of a song.

Sj_9CiNkkn4

[Eagle Eye]

Also if we want to speak about God, we should speak with greater respect and careful choice of words. Anything less than that, is cheap talk.

[O Donna]

Also if we want to speak about God, we should speak with greater respect and careful choice of words. Anything less than that, is cheap talk.

I get it, its an opinion but God... unsoilable, untouchable. God of 'feelings', that is but an idol, a cult of personality. World's full of that problem. IMO

[DaveToo]

For those who voted "I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything."

Why would God create evil people or allow people to become evil?

Wouldn't his creations function much more smoothly if, in his almighty power, he did NOT ALLOW evil to exist?

Because of this, would you say God has a sadistic streak to him/her?

[Eagle Eye]

For those who voted "I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything."

Why would God create evil people or allow people to become evil?

Wouldn't his creations function much more smoothly if, in his almighty power, he did NOT ALLOW evil to exist?



God doesn't create evil people, but allow them to become evil, because the rules are set and with that, the free will too. Do those who make corruption everywhere and make horrible crimes should be in the same place with the righteous?! Only for a short period of time, but surely the ways will separate.

[East Sun]

That question can not be answered to the satisfaction
of others or to the satisfaction of ourselves.

[DaveToo]

For those who voted "I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything."

Why would God create evil people or allow people to become evil?

Wouldn't his creations function much more smoothly if, in his almighty power, he did NOT ALLOW evil to exist?



God doesn't create evil people, but allow them to become evil, because the rules are set and with that, the free will too. Do those who make corruption everywhere and make horrible crimes should be in the same place with the righteous?! Only for a short period of time, but surely the ways will separate.

I don't know if East Sun was replying to my post or the general question you posed, as they didn't specify.

But replying to your response to my post; everything is up for interpretation/opinion when it comes to God.

It is your opinion that God allows people to become evil, rather than creating evil people to begin with.

Either way, would you not agree that for the sake of all the millions/billions of people on this planet,
their lives would be so much more fulfilling if God did not create/allow evil people to exist?

This is just one of the many problems I have with an all-powerful God.
This all-powerful God supposedly has the power to do anything, and I mean literally anything.

Why cause pain/suffering/grief amongst untold numbers of the population when it doesn't have to be that way?

I've heard all the reasons/excuses for this, but none of them have been convincing. (Perhaps this is what East Sun was referring to?)

[Mashika]

If the question was:

Do you believe God is an entity or somehow has a resemblance or similitude to what we call "personality"? Then does God is 'someone'? or lives inside or outside its creation?

Aren't some of the options on the poll a bit like that?


I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything.
I believe in many gods.
I believe in god that had a human form.
I believe in spirituality only.
I still have to clear up my concept of God.
I don't believe in existence of God.


Points 1, 2, 3 and 4 and not necessarily excluding of each other, you can believe there are many gods and that they had human form. And how believing in spirituality only contradicts the existence of a God? Spirituality would exist inside the creation of that God, so is not against its existence?

[Johnnycomelately]

For those who voted "I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything."

Why would God create evil people or allow people to become evil?

Wouldn't his creations function much more smoothly if, in his almighty power, he did NOT ALLOW evil to exist?

Because of this, would you say God has a sadistic streak to him/her?

Dave, I don’t agree with this reaction to the poll. The poll is just a heartfelt statement of OP’s beliefs, disguised as click bait.

I didn’t participate in the poll. I thought that there should have been an “all of the above” for a 2nd last option, as
I assumed multiple votes not allowed, but not even that.

Hey if god loves us regardless of our disfunctionality, AND was able to kick us sinners out of his home turf, involving practice making ~physical universes and all, how do you get sadistic (and by inference MASOCHISTIC) out of it? Hehe. ~8O

[Johnnycomelately]

I bet you're naked under those clothes, how indecent of you

I feel more unease about the skeleton beneath my porn-worthy skin. Please don’t tell kids about that, they might get SPOOKED.

[DaveToo]

For those who voted "I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything."

Why would God create evil people or allow people to become evil?

Wouldn't his creations function much more smoothly if, in his almighty power, he did NOT ALLOW evil to exist?

Because of this, would you say God has a sadistic streak to him/her?

Dave, I don’t agree with this reaction to the poll. The poll is just a heartfelt statement of OP’s beliefs, disguised as click bait.

I didn’t participate in the poll. I thought that there should have been an “all of the above” for a 2nd last option, as
I assumed multiple votes not allowed, but not even that.

Hey if god loves us regardless of our disfunctionality, AND was able to kick us sinners out of his home turf, involving practice making ~physical universes and all, how do you get sadistic (and by inference MASOCHISTIC) out of it? Hehe. ~8O

If he wasn't prepared for others' opinions, like or unlike his, I don't think he would have created the poll.

The problem with my brain is that it is too logical.

When you enter the realm of religion, belief, God etc. you must by necessity, totally surrender your logical thinking.
The too are mutually exclusive.

I could give you many examples but I don't think it would provide for a fruitful discussion. :)

If anyone cares to answer my previous questions though in a logical (non-religious) way I'm all ears.

[Mashika]

I bet you're naked under those clothes, how indecent of you

I feel more unease about the skeleton beneath my porn-worthy skin. Please don’t tell kids about that, they might get SPOOKED.

I'll tell, it's your fault for being a skeleton porn-whorty skin in the eyes of God, how you dare! :P

[Mashika]

That question can not be answered to the satisfaction
of others or to the satisfaction of ourselves.

Only the all mighty Eye knows the answer

[O Donna]

(Human) Logic vs. Faith

Looking at the state of the world today, both look to be circling the drain together.

At least they have each other to blame.

Intersect of both: The Bird is the Word

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[Mashika]

(Human) Logic vs. Faith

Looking at the state of the world today, both look to be circling the drain together.

At least they have each other to blame.

Intersect of both: The Birth is the Word

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"Video unavailable
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I hate you! :ROFL:
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[O Donna]

"Video unavailable
The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

I hate you! :ROFL:
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You win the internet of the moment. Outstanding sense of humor!


Does anyone remember laughter?

- Led Zeppelin

[Eagle Eye]

But replying to your response to my post; everything is up for interpretation/opinion when it comes to God.

It is your opinion that God allows people to become evil, rather than creating evil people to begin with.

Either way, would you not agree that for the sake of all the millions/billions of people on this planet,
their lives would be so much more fulfilling if God did not create/allow evil people to exist?

This is just one of the many problems I have with an all-powerful God.
This all-powerful God supposedly has the power to do anything, and I mean literally anything.

Why cause pain/suffering/grief amongst untold numbers of the population when it doesn't have to be that way?

I've heard all the reasons/excuses for this, but none of them have been convincing.

The knowledge of good and evil was our ancestors choice too. What worries me is that a great part of people are focused more on why the rules are set in that way and do not focus on why a huge part of people choose evil as their primary choice. Do they think that their actions will go unseen and will not have any consequences?

[Eagle Eye]

If the question was:

Do you believe God is an entity or somehow has a resemblance or similitude to what we call "personality"? Then does God is 'someone'? or lives inside or outside its creation?

Aren't some of the options on the poll a bit like that?


I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything.
I believe in many gods.
I believe in god that had a human form.
I believe in spirituality only.
I still have to clear up my concept of God.
I don't believe in existence of God.


Points 1, 2, 3 and 4 and not necessarily excluding of each other, you can believe there are many gods and that they had human form. And how believing in spirituality only contradicts the existence of a God? Spirituality would exist inside the creation of that God, so is not against its existence?

Believing in God doesn't exclude spirituality, but I specified believing in spirituality "only". Also believing in god that was human, it contradicts the concept of God as prime Creator because it limits to the perspective of humans only, the concept of a god that was born and died on this planet, a perception of god that eat, drinks, sleep and more... that doesn't represent the true Creator (but that is another discussion). Also believing in many gods is different from believing in one Supreme God, because they perceive every god to have equal powers in different ways and that contradicts the concept of one Almighty God.

[Mashika]

If the question was:

Do you believe God is an entity or somehow has a resemblance or similitude to what we call "personality"? Then does God is 'someone'? or lives inside or outside its creation?

Aren't some of the options on the poll a bit like that?


I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything.
I believe in many gods.
I believe in god that had a human form.
I believe in spirituality only.
I still have to clear up my concept of God.
I don't believe in existence of God.


Points 1, 2, 3 and 4 and not necessarily excluding of each other, you can believe there are many gods and that they had human form. And how believing in spirituality only contradicts the existence of a God? Spirituality would exist inside the creation of that God, so is not against its existence?

Believing in God doesn't exclude spirituality, but I specified believing in spirituality "only". Also believing in god that was human, it contradicts the concept of God as prime Creator because it limits to the perspective of humans only, the concept of a god that was born and died on this planet, a perception of god that eat, drinks, sleep and more... that doesn't represent the true Creator (but that is another discussion). Also believing in many gods is different from believing in one Supreme God, because they perceive every god to have equal powers in different ways and that contradicts the concept of one Almighty God.


This is a very specific view, an almost "catholic" or "orthodox" one, right?

See these rocks here?
https://bestmexicanbeachpebbles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/River-with-rocks.jpg

How are those different than these rocks over here?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Rocks_on_River_Tay.JPG

Does 'God' follow a religion, or has a favorite one? Do you think God cares if you believe in him or not?

Is that a path to "God is only God if at least one person beliefs in God?"

There was a structure of Angels below God, right? It means a structure of power, humans are way down in that tree or list. An Angel, for simple humans, may look like a God.. What could they possibly know? Is there a dictionary of Angels vs Gods and what makes them different, from the human perspective?

[Eagle Eye]

Does 'God' follow a religion, or has a favorite one?

Religion is totally a misunderstood word. When religion is mentioned, many think of churches or mosques, of religious leaders and how they used the faith for political means and also for massive influences.

I think religion as a guidance from God for our way of life and Scriptures as a manual to understand this reality and to make the right choices. I have concluded that the Quran is the last uncorrupted Scripture, but that opens up to a greater discussion of me promoting a religion or only one group and that's not my intention. That's why this thread was about an open concept of God not to focus on details because we will deviate from the most important part.

[Mashika]

If you look up to the sky, everything always looks like freedom and it's beautiful, from your lower point of view

Those who reside above, look down and wish they could live "the simple life" just like you

What does that leads to?

[Mashika]

Does 'God' follow a religion, or has a favorite one?

Religion is totally a misunderstood word. When religion is mentioned, many think of churches or mosques, of religious leaders and how they used the faith for political means and also for massive influences.

I think religion as a guidance from God for our way of life and Scriptures as a manual to understand this reality and to make the right choices. I have concluded that the Quran is the last uncorrupted Scripture, but that opens up to a greater discussion of me promoting a religion or only one group and that's not my intention. That's why this thread was about an open concept of God not to focus on details because we will deviate from the most important part.

God did not write or directed anyone to write any scriptures :) That's a human creation based on the wish of forming a view of an inner feeling or set of ideals they wished to form into an ideology of sorts, then religion was born out of that

God did not hoped, wish or cared for a book or manual, even Jesus on the bible is quoted as saying that several times, but totally misquoted and then completely perverted into becoming the very same thing he rejected, by his own words lol. Human perversion at his best

There can't be an open concept of God if you already think God gave guidance at all, because then it implies he had an idea on where/how the human race would go to, and that, by the same reasoning, implies there is no free will

"You are free to do whatever you want, but you must do whatever you want as long as it is one of these two choices, and that's final"

If you are the creator of something, and you wish for free will, then you don't touch or interfere at all. It looks like God could not resist touching and meddling all over the place over the years, based on what the Bible says

What's the reasoning behind that? He's all over the place, and threatining that if you don't follow his rules you die or spend life in hell, so what does it mean "free will"? then? Free to chose hell? :sherlock:

[Mashika]

By the way i'm not trying to make you doubt, i'm just trying to make you doubt, obviously. FUD is a good state to be in this kind of thing, unlike more human like scenarios, right?

[Eagle Eye]

God did not write or directed anyone to write any scriptures :) That's a human creation based on the wish of forming a view of an inner feeling or set of ideals they wished to form into an ideology of sorts, then religion was born out of that


I will mention just one thing out of many. It is mentioned many times in Scriptures, to not charge the interest when lending money, because it's evil as a way. It seem a simple thing but look how huge that problem became. Many countries or all of them are slaves of debt and still increasing. A failed economic system only because of one simple action that turned out to be catastrophic over the course of time.

[Mashika]

God did not write or directed anyone to write any scriptures :) That's a human creation based on the wish of forming a view of an inner feeling or set of ideals they wished to form into an ideology of sorts, then religion was born out of that


I will mention just one thing out of many. It is mentioned many times in Scriptures, to not charge the interest when lending money, because it's evil as a way. It seem a simple thing but look how huge that problem became. Many countries or all of them are slaves of debt and still increasing. A failed economic system only because of one simple action that turned out to be catastrophic over the course of time.

Have you considered this: You can't prove the scriptures right, by quoting the same scriptures?

Where is your point of reference? Or your source of truth? If you self-reference?

"It's true because i think it's true, based on what i understand to be true"

Everything that follows after that is questionable, if you can't explain why/how it came to be without quoting that same "source of truth"

A variable truth equals to: Truth is a variable

[Eagle Eye]

Have you considered this: You can't prove the scriptures right, by quoting the same scriptures?

Where is your point of reference? Or your source of truth? If you self-reference?

"It's true because i think it's true, based on what i understand to be true"

Everything that follows after that is questionable, if you can't explain why/how it came to be without quoting that same "source of truth"

Life experiences can prove many of those words.

[Mashika]

Have you considered this: You can't prove the scriptures right, by quoting the same scriptures?

Where is your point of reference? Or your source of truth? If you self-reference?

"It's true because i think it's true, based on what i understand to be true"

Everything that follows after that is questionable, if you can't explain why/how it came to be without quoting that same "source of truth"

Life experiences can prove many of those words.

Life experiences and the fear of not aligning/complying is what lead to those words being written, and not the other way around :)

No one wants to be burned at the stake

Sequence of events is more important and consequential than a limited human life span, how many of those people who "confirmed" that witches had to ask forgiveness from the lord in the after life were right?

That's just meaningless. Anyone can say anything and then books are rewritten like the Bible has been some times already. Life experience says "no one can't say how i experienced this on my own" and not "i will experience this in that way because that's how it says i must experience it, and if not i am not a believer"

It breaks easily if there's no good/strong foundation

[Mashika]

At this point, you are not saying anymore anything about "God", but you are instead defending religion. Just in case you have not noticed yet, see? :)

This is why we fallen angels exist :P

[ian33]

i believe that man created god in his own image...to control the masses through brainwashing...cunning confidence tricksters...
just my perception, unimportant in the scheme of things

[Mashika]

I think religion as a guidance from God for our way of life and Scriptures as a manual to understand this reality and to make the right choices.

It is not, Religion is a tool of control and the Scriptures you talk about are a very specific culture associated thing, it means nothing to people who are not indoctrinated or brainwashed into it. No one is equal in the eyes of that God that says "my way or the hell highway". It's just a tool of control



I have concluded that the Quran is the last uncorrupted Scripture, but that opens up to a greater discussion of me promoting a religion or only one group and that's not my intention. That's why this thread was about an open concept of God not to focus on details because we will deviate from the most important part.
As long as you consider any book or scripture without corruption, you are going the wrong way, and you're still in the bubble of God meaning a Christian or related one by association

Let's talk about Indian Gods, or "alternatives" from other places like China or Japan :) No one cares about them anymore? Or is it because it was not part of your growing up years? Shinto is a great example of how Gods are created and become meaningful through someone's life, looking at it from our point of view in 2022. You should check it up

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Get immersed into Shinto for a bit/while, then you should look back into your 'normal' religion and maybe you'll see stuff you did not see before, and then realize something. I don't know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto

There is a lot of stuff going on in the human soul, and very little of it has to do with perceptions of human like Gods, or egocentric ones. That's just a projections of human weakness and hopes/aspirations

[Mashika]

i believe that man created god in his own image...to control the masses through brainwashing...cunning confidence tricksters...
just my perception, unimportant in the scheme of things

Well it is important if the 'scheme of things' that form what 'life' means around you and people you care about

[Spiral]

Now this is my culture, as a Babylonian Englishman and who would fault me for spending my money on modern rubbish that keeps me in an infant state cool modern things that impress people*1? So I thought I was a believer but I see how much I have to learn yet. Jesus wasn't a Christian and when does worshipping a cross become idle worship? In the early stories of Abraham idles have a starring role (in a bad way). People might ask "what would Jesus do?" but look back and ask: what would Abraham have said about Christian idles? :bigsmile: Sorry I'm having too much fun with this. I identify as a Christian and I own a crucifix, although on increasing reflection I don't hold it half as sacred as my own humble believing.

*1 I don't really buy 'cool stuff', I just bought 300L of manure, some chicken shĩt and calcium chloride to make activated charcoal for water filters. And a ludicrous amount of sugar to make preserve. Ok, fair enough, the manure and chicken **** is actually cool


There is a common misuse of the word "idol", an idol isn't merely an image or an item associated with something of someone, an idol is (usually) a kind of statue that has been used in a pagan occult practice in which a particular spirit is made to dwell or be trapped in the "statue".

This why they are brought food & incense etc, too appease the spirit & ask for favours.

In Christianity images and forms are just a representation & at times a kind of focus for prayer etc, not idols. This is an old argument that has been used against Christians for a long time, just like the mistaken claim that Catholics worship the Blessed Virgin.

No amount of kneeling & praying before a cross or icon can make it into an idol, veneration is not the same as idolatry, because there is no entity in the object.

:yo:

[Matthew]

...
No amount of kneeling & praying before a cross or icon can make it into an idol, veneration is not the same as idolatry, because there is no entity in the object.

:yo:

Fair enough! I will quibble that I don't remember Jesus talking about worship or praying before a cross. We got the the lords prayer and something about bread and wine to remember him by, not the crucifix. Yet the cross is elevated to magical item status, as if it means something objectively. Reminds me of the Mormon underwear, that carries the Masonic symbol, which Mormons 'trust' as magical protection from God; there was me thinking the armour of God was built from subjective traits, and good habits, not objective clothes. I see this projection onto objects as a spiritual 'gotcha' - just bantering here, shooting the breeze :beer:

[East Sun]

Religion was created by humans. Originally, it was fine but became
corrupted by humans.
Humans were created by the Anannaki (most likely) who came to Earth.

The vastness of space is beyond our human understanding because of
endless possibilities.
We are specks on Earth which is a speck in our solar system which is
a speck in one of countless (any ones guess) universes.

We don't know anything of real significance beyond our small
Earth existence, but if we survive we can learn for the rest of
eternity.

[Spiral]

Fair enough! I will quibble that I don't remember Jesus talking about worship or praying before a cross. We got the the lords prayer and something about bread and wine to remember him by, not the crucifix. Yet the cross is elevated to magical item status, as if it means something objectively. Reminds me of the Mormon underwear, that carries the Masonic symbol, which Mormons 'trust' as magical protection from God; there was me thinking the armour of God was built from subjective traits, and good habits, not objective clothes. I see this projection onto objects as a spiritual 'gotcha' - just bantering here, shooting the breeze :beer:


There has been much discussion over the Cross, and it obviously would have been something with a far more visceral meaning than the kind of meaning it has now, originally they used the sign of the fish https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/2008/august/what-is-origin-of-christian-fish-symbol.html.

Maybe the "magical item status" is a lot of Hollywood's doing ?

The magic underpants really are something else lol, there is a big Christian forum that allows all branches a place, but they have to have a special section for that particular group ......;)

The Cross being the sign of His death and what that means (along with the resurrection) was always the most important important part of Christianity and of the Christian calendar, so it's not surprising the church adopted it as its main symbol. There are a lot of things within Christianity that Jesus didn't actually tell his disciples to do, in Catholicism that is called Church Tradition & it's all carefully defined in the Catechism along with the reasons behind each thing.

Christmas has only become what it has with the decline of Christianity as a practised religion & the rise of consumerism IMO.

:cheers:




On another tack, I could have clicked three of the votes, "I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything", "I believe in god that had a human form", and "I still have to clear up my concept of God".... no one can have a concept of God that doesn't need work, we are never going to get to a finished version of that surely ?

[Matthew]

...

That's great food for thought, thanks for breaking the bread. As I was writing about cross worship above I was also thinking how the saints probably would have worshipped with a cross so what do I know? :bigsmile: :Party:

[O Donna]

i believe that man created god in his own image...to control the masses through brainwashing...cunning confidence tricksters...
just my perception, unimportant in the scheme of things

Definitely evidence suggesting that.

Ironically, a created god is no god at all. So then, 'what' was created?

The question...Another way of saying....

The rabbit hole goes deeper. Pass go(d) and collect your $200. :flower:

False bottom (Concealment device), portrayed as the bottom, qualifies as a created god.

[DaveToo]

In many ways God/religion is a cop out because you don't have to think, you just need to believe and that's it.

We got into this dystopian nightmare for the past two years because most people around the world didn't think, they simply believed what their governments/health advisors/big pharma companies told them.

[East Sun]

The Roman Church came about because the Roman Empire was
deteriorating and Emperor Constantine 1 decided to join with
the Christians they were throwing to lions. So, they joined
forces, the Romans and the Pope of that time to become
controllers of the people (Christians), us humans who are so gullible
we have bought it for thousands of years.

Spirituality without the controllers would be fine for me at least.

[xidaijena]

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The Greatest Creator surely exists. HE is awesome. I love HIM best. Without Him, I would be dead at least three times.
Only Xuefeng and Lifechanyuan can totally and truly explain who the Greatest Creator is.
Believe it or not, your heart and my real sharings will show you the facts.
May the Greatest Creator bless all of us all the time.:heart:

[shaberon]

What do you mean, "God"?

Until someone explains this to me, I would say I cannot converse with you.

Generally, no.

If it has to do with a "Creator", no, in fact I would be prone to say that we dispose of this and replace it.

Granted, there might be come conception of "God" that is interested in something other than "the Creator", and perhaps I could deal with that view.

"Creation" as a verb, which one does oneself, could perhaps be more satisfying.

But I would say that 90% of what has been expressed to me in this name is pure Satanic garbage. That is my reaction to scriptures and their adherents. By fixing on "the Creator", it seems to me you are not doing anything other than "devil worship".


That is closer to my understanding, that those who kowtow to "God" are in fact agents of the devil.

Jesus never believed in "God", he spoke of "Abba", and this is not what I hear coming forward.

Can someone help me out here? Is it that "God" = "unknown"?

Until this gets sorted, I would have to say no, certainly not, I don't believe in God, I know for a fact how hypnotism works, and that thing is not welcome in the setting.

[Tyy1907]

In many ways God/religion is a cop out because you don't have to think, you just need to believe and that's it.

We got into this dystopian nightmare for the past two years because most people around the world didn't think, they simply believed what their governments/health advisors/big pharma companies told them.

The ones that use it as a crutch and a crutch only will still only get meager results cause they likely won't believe in themselves. Believing in the self is an important ingredient I've learned. The Divine must let your choice to have a low opinion of yourself to stand.

[Anchor]

What do you mean, "God"?

Exactly the issue.

--

I propose a definition of God - but its going to be a concept and the approach is a bit cryptic, then with that I will attempt the poll. I don't usually bother with the concept, but this thread is good and engaging so I want to give it a shot and I felt I was lazy in my first comment on this thread.

We might approach the concept of "God" by looking at the contrast to how we define ourselves, and then everything that is not that and then, take into account that the other-selves (of which you, are one) doing the exact same thing actually implies that there isn't much difference between the two.

Also, I'm not sure that there are a lot of alternatives to this approach, except maybe listening or reading what others proclaim what God is or is not and how one should behave in relation to that which is stated to be God and deciding to agree with them and basically have faith in their utterances, or not. Generally the idea behind proclaiming what God is or is not comes with an agenda of belittling the listener and encouraging subservience. Its almost always a trap and it is one I will never be ensnared by.

The only person who can know for sure what "God" is, and the only person for whom that knowledge is relevant is me and I cannot know it by reading or listening to the words of another.

So, if you want to see how I got to the concept, then proceed as follows and do not take anyone's word for it other than yourself.

( This is written first person as I think it, obviously you adapt for yourself for your own train of thought. - otherwise it will just be you listing to another idiot like me defining God and you should not listen to them! )

We will define two sets.

Set 1) As I think I am, I think therefore I am, I thought therefore I was, I will think and therefore I will be and so I can identify what is me and this is exclusively the content of set 1.

Set 2) Everything else. Literally, set 2 is everything in existence other than that which is defined 1.


Now what?

There are few ways this can go.

Depending on your perspective, God is composed of Set 2, both Set 2 and Set 1, or just Set 1.

If hypothetically I am NOT God, then God is contained in Set 2.

Now let there be another person who thinks that way. From my perspective they are in Set 2 and immediately I see that from each of our perspectives My set 1 and their set 1 are different. It has to be that way because what I see as my 1 is necessarily contained in their 2 - unless they are one of those rare ones that see no distinction between 1 and 2 and their set 1 is contained in my set 2.

This IMPLIES that God is both 1 and 2 and that we are all connected and we are perspectives of God. Not only that we can talk to each-other about it as perspectives as God.

And, this is actually how I define the concept of "God".

All is one.

So with that concept and definition let's review the poll assertions and see if we can press the buttons.


I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything.

I might be able to choose this one. However, it isn't sufficiently qualified. Creation is an ongoing process and if I were to put a name to that, I would fall on my law of one teaching and call it "the one infinite creator". I do believe that God is the one infinite creator.


I believe in many gods.

No, cant choose this. All is one and there is just one of that.


I believe in god that had a human form.

I can't choose this simply because I cant actually understand the sentence. How do we mean Human? Human to me is a vehicle with material biology together with infinite and elaborate layers of multi-dimensional energy - it isn't clear if the spiritual component was included or not in the statement. I think the structure of (an authentic) human is patterned on "God" and this may be why (for example) the bible refers to man being made in the image of the creator.


I believe in spirituality only.

I do not and since there are things which are not spiritual, this is impossible to choose.


I still have to clear up my concept of God.

I wont be choosing this for the reasons stated above.


I don't believe in existence of God.

I cant pick this because the opposite is true.

As the concept of "God" I work with is best summarized as "the one infinite creator" and that we are all one, all connected and all part of that God, and on equal terms, no subservience of lesser station, and with all the responsibility that implies - and that is what I believe, so with my definition of the concept of God, then "Yes -I believe in God" would be a true statement - but there was no direct option for that. So, I'll pick option 1 with the above qualification.

Do you believe in God?

Yes, yes I do.

I am God, You are God. All is one and everything is God. I believe in me, and I believe in you and I believe we are all one infinite, perpetual ongoing, timeless creation of ourselves.

Anchor.

[Johnnycomelately]

What do you mean, "God"?

Exactly the issue.

--

I propose a definition of God - but its going to be a concept and the approach is a but cryptic, then with that I will attempt the poll. I don't usually bother with the concept, but this thread is good and engaging so I want to give it a shot and I felt I was lazy in my first comment on this thread.

We might approach the concept of "God" by looking at the contrast to how we define ourselves, and then everything that is not that and then, take into account that the other-selves (of which you, are one) doing the exact same thing actually implies that there isn't much difference between the two.

Also, I'm not sure that there are a lot of alternatives to this approach, except maybe listening or reading what others proclaim what God is or is not and how one should behave in relation to that which is stated to be God and deciding to agree with them and basically have faith in their utterances, or not. Generally the idea behind proclaiming what God is or is not comes with an agenda of belittling the listener and encouraging subservience. Its almost always a trap and it is one I will never be ensnared by.

The only person who can know for sure what "God" is, and the only person for whom that knowledge is relevant is me and I cannot know it by reading or listening to the words of another.

So, if you want to see how I got to the concept, then proceed as follows and do not take anyone's word for it other than yourself.

( This is written first person as I think it, obviously you adapt for yourself for your own train of thought. - otherwise it will just be you listing to another idiot like me defining God and you should not listen to them! )

We will define two sets.

Set 1) As I think I am, I think therefore I am, I thought therefore I was, I will think and therefore I will be and so I can identify what is me and this is exclusively the content of set 1.

Set 2) Everything else. Literally, set 2 is everything in existence other than that which is defined 1.


Now what?

There are few ways this can go.

Depending on your perspective, God is composed of Set 2, both Set 2 and Set 1, or just Set 1.

If hypothetically I am NOT God, then God is contained in Set 2.

Now let there be another person who thinks that way. From my perspective they are in Set 2 and immediately I see that from each of our perspectives My set 1 and thier set 1 are different. It has to be that way because what I see as my 1 is necessarily contained in their 2 - unless they are one of those rare ones that see no distinction between 1 and 2 and their set 1 is contained in my set 2.

This IMPLIES that God is both 1 and 2 and that we are all connected and we are perspectives of God. Not only that we can talk to eachother about it as perspectives as God.

And, this is actually how I define the concept of "God".

All is one.

So with that concept and definition let's review the poll assertions and see if we can press the buttons.


I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything.

No, I cant choose this. For that to happen there has to be a point in time before creation, and this is not the way it works. Creation is an ongoing process and if I were to put a name to that, I would fall on my law of one teaching and call it "the one infinite creator"


I believe in many gods.

No, cant choose this. All is one and there is just one of that.


I believe in god that had a human form.

I can't choose this simply because I cant actually understand the sentence. How do we mean Human? Human to me is a vehicle with material biology together with infinite and elaborate layers of multi-dimensional energy - it isn't clear if the spiritual component was included or not in the statement. I think the structure of (an authentic) human is patterned on "God" and this may be why (for example) the bible refers to man being made in the image of the creator.


I believe in spirituality only.

I do not and since there are things which are not spiritual, this is impossible to choose.


I still have to clear up my concept of God.

I wont be choosing this for the reasons stated above.


I don't believe in existence of God.

I cant pick this because the opposite is true. As the concept of "God" I work with is best summarized as "the one infinite creator" and that we are all one, all connected and all part of that God, and on equal terms, no subservience of lesser station, and with all the responsibility that implies - and that is what I believe, so with my definition of the concept of God, then "I believe in God" would be a true statement - and yet, bizarrely, this was not an option that I could choose!

There is no option I can choose!

Do you believe in God?

Yes, yes I do.

I am God, You are God. All is one and everything is God. I believe in me, and I believe in you and I believe we are all one infinite, perpetual ongoing, timeless creation of ourselves.

Anchor.

Good post, Anchor, except for your concept of how it started. Or rather how it couldn’t have started. What
I heard was that god woke up, then began experimenting with his consciousness and his creative power, and by and by created and became god of all that we know. Talking ‘our’ heaven as well as this universe-for-dummies, and granting him time for lots of prototype development. Seems reasonable to me. My big question is, does/did god have a mom and dad? Am lifely serious here.

[Eagle Eye]

My big question is, does/did god have a mom and dad? Am lifely serious here.

God has no parents and no children. He is not born and not created by anyone.

God has no beginning and no end. He is eternal and will rule in eternity and no one will overcome Him.

This statement is beyond our capacity of thinking, but it's the greater reality.

[Mashika]

My big question is, does/did god have a mom and dad? Am lifely serious here.

God has no parents and no children. He is not born and not created by anyone.

God has no beginning and no end. He is eternal and will rule in eternity and no one will overcome Him.

This statement is beyond our capacity of thinking, but it's the greater reality.

See this is the problem with being 'ahuman', it says it all right there :facepalm:


"I shall bend this will to a God that asked me to not bend this will, i don't care about what he said, i shall bend the knee to him, to hell what he cares for or what he says, i shall bend the knee..i shall bend the knee..i shall bend the knee..i shall bend the knee..i shall bend the knee..i shall bend the knee"

6000 years or so later:

"We shall bend the knee" - the mass is over, And this says the ignorant priest

"We bend the knee" - Says the public in sheer stupidity

God looks away in disgust and sadness (where did i go wrong? He thinks silently)

"Stupid idiots" thinks Angel Michael "maybe i should end this stupidity once and for all" he thinks inside

[Mashika]

This statement is beyond our capacity of thinking, but it's the greater reality.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" said the fallen angel. It's "our" only when you want acceptance for your lack of fate, it is "my soul and higher being" when an achievement is managed inside the expectation bubble you call spiritual growth

But no, it is a mean to cope with not wanting to understand that the concept is faulty. There is an actual explanation for it, but since you did not try to learn advanced logic around it, you simply said "welp, this is hard, so i'll just go with the easy way out"

Don't do that. Learn the truth, aren't you supposed to do that in the first place, if you believe in God?

You just took the easy way out, it's easier to say "i don't understand this because is not meant for me to understand, so i'll not try, it was meant this way"

No. If it wasn't mean for you to understand, then you would not know it exists in the first place. IF you know it exists, then it means you have a reason to look into it and understand why it exists and why/how it works the way it does.

Go do your task

[Eagle Eye]

Angel Michael

I'm glad you believe in existence of the mighty creation of God, chosen to be among the highest ranks of angels, the Archangel Michael.

[Mashika]

Angel Michael

I'm glad you believe in existence of the wonderful creation of God, chosen to be among the highest ranks of angels, the Archangel Michael.

Lol

Are you going to take me out of context and ignore all i said before that?

"I find your lack of faith disturbing"

You truly believe there are "Ranks" in a human kind of way, right?

Please explain how Michael is lesser/higher than other angels. What's the difference? I'm very interested in knowing your view of that :happythumbsup:

Michael is the top one, what makes it be that? Favors, Inequality? what?

"Amongst the highest" I don't know who is the highest Angel, do you know? It's been a while, maybe whoever was the top one got demoted in the few thousand years since then? Who could tell

[Mashika]

Don't have a simplistic view of how these things work, or you going to get your head cut off, so better take the task to the deeper end, or hush.. hush..

Sometimes, left can be right, but you won't know unless you walk the walk in the dark

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[Mashika]

To truly experience religion, instead of following along, you need to do something like this. If this seems like a joke or doesn't make much sense, then it means you have to take a step back and consider that it doesn't matter at all and stop taking things seriously. Nothing is a joke because everything is a joke.

If you don't understand that, then that's where the problem is.

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[Wookie]

that game looks amazing, I can see how I was tricked into being here now.

[ExomatrixTV]

In my view true Prime Creator (The Real Source of All That Is) is beyond "the need for, or to be worship(ped)". Let that sink in for a moment ...


cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳



related:

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“What does God need with a starship?”

From: Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (Torrent (https://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/7736629/Star_Trek_V_The_Final_Frontier_(1989)_1080p_5.1_BrRip_x264_-_Jud) 1920x784 1.89 Gb 1Hr 47Min movie)
Who said it?: Captain James Kirk

The story behind the quote: This week’s quote comes from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. The film features the original cast of the 1967 series that started it all. The film features the crew of the USS Enterprise as they journey with Spock’s half-brother, Sybok, to allegedly find God.

The quote comes near the end of the film. The USS Enterprise does manage to get to the planet that holds “God.” This seemingly all-powerful being requests to board the starship that brought them to the planet. This is when Captain James T. Kirk (played by William Shatner) delivers the quote.

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Geek wisdom: Sometimes, it’s best to not take things at face value. Just because something seems to be plausible, that doesn’t automatically mean it’s positively true. We have to look at things with a critical eye and not just blindly accept the things in front of us.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Vicus]

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[DaveToo]

This is actually a very timely thread given the situation we've been in for the past couple of years...

I had written up-thread that if God is indeed the almighty, all-powerful creator, why would he have allowed evil people to exist?

Someone replied that we all have choices to make, yada yada...
some choose to be evil...etc.

But that didn't answer my question. Why would God have been so sinister for allowing people to choose in the first place?
I'm sure he didn't have to. I'm sure no one was pointing a gun to his head saying "Make sure you allow some people to become evil".

It's not simply a matter of "Oh well, they will meet their fate when they die, yada yada..."

Because those evil people (cue the past couple of years)
are making lives miserable for a huge portion of the population now. It gives us no solace knowing that when those evil bastards die they will meet their fate.

[Anchor]

Good post, Anchor, except for your concept of how it started. Or rather how it couldn’t have started. What
I heard was that god woke up, then began experimenting with his consciousness and his creative power, and by and by created and became god of all that we know. Talking ‘our’ heaven as well as this universe-for-dummies, and granting him time for lots of prototype development. Seems reasonable to me. My big question is, does/did god have a mom and dad? Am lifely serious here.

Travelling around the surface of a mobius strip is endless. Its hard to conceive of endless, no start no end, just ongoing progress. No start, no beginning, no end.

My reference to a klein bottle in my first post was similarly motivated by that idea - just one extra dimension to it. There would be similar paradoxical structures involving even more dimensions of expression but we have no reference for it, and so on.

I am insipired by this :
"The best way to deal with temporal paradoxes is not to think about them."
—Captain Kathryn Janeway Star Trek: Voyager"

I like this, and in my self have agreed that it is not important to me how it all started - because I cannot properly conceive of the infinite with my material mind.

[East Sun]

God, in my opinion, is total spirit, not physical, not male or female, not in one
particular place, no beginning, no ending.

Maybe other lesser entities created physical beings like us
humans billions of times thro. time or in no time as the case
might be. Also maybe, creating countless life forms like
animals insects ect. and things we can't even imagine.

Perhaps, since we don't really know, beings on other planets
and dimensions that we might encounter some time in the future
or have encountered and did not know it.

Our wildest imaginations might not even come close to what could be.

[Tyy1907]

This is actually a very timely thread given the situation we've been in for the past couple of years...

I had written up-thread that if God is indeed the almighty, all-powerful creator, why would he have allowed evil people to exist?

Someone replied that we all have choices to make, yada yada...
some choose to be evil...etc.

But that didn't answer my question. Why would God have been so sinister for allowing people to choose in the first place?
I'm sure he didn't have to. I'm sure no one was pointing a gun to his head saying "Make sure you allow some people to become evil".

It's not simply a matter of "Oh well, they will meet their fate when they die, yada yada..."

Because those evil people (cue the past couple of years)
are making lives miserable for a huge portion of the population now. It gives us no solace knowing that when those evil bastards die they will meet their fate.

This is precisely the wisdom in requesting healing for the perpetrators. Healing of the perpetrators heals the victims in turn. What is our purpose in being here?

It's a challenging exercise in bringing love to bear in the most challenging of circumstances.

[Mashika]

that game looks amazing, i can see how i was tricked into being here now.

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[Docim369]

How can I try not to corrupt words and make it simple?
The concept of "God" cannot be explained or proven.
There is never enough "evidence" for the skeptics.
Skeptics could also be enslaved and are "followers" of their own ego.
What or who is God? I do not know but I am anticipating towards understanding what cannot be totally understood, because life experience has led me to know that living in certain discipline results in tranquility and clarity.
If there were no DIvine Force, karma would not exist...
I could go on but...

[Mashika]

How can I try not to corrupt words and make it simple?
The concept of "God" cannot be explained or proven.
There is never enough "evidence" for the skeptics.
Skeptics could also be enslaved and are "followers" of their own ego.
What or who is God? I do not know but I am anticipating towards understanding what cannot be totally understood, because life experience has led me to know that living in certain discipline results in tranquility and clarity.
If there were no DIvine Force, karma would not exist...
I could go on but...

The more you try to understand other cultures and spiritual paths other than the one that assumes God is an old wise guy in a robe who uses sandals and has a "grandpa" look to it, or a westernized one, the closer you get to understand what's going on



life experience has led me to know that living in certain discipline results in tranquility and clarity

The path to grow doesn't go that way, this is fake safety, this is fear and control. Clarity of what?

- All the answers are in this book, as long as you don't go searching for answers anywhere else you'll be fine.
+ Who wrote the book?
- Don't ask questions things you need not to worry about
+ But i want to know who wrote the book
- It's the word of God... Don't question it
+ How do you know that?
- IT is on the Book, read it and don't dare question the word of God...
+ But was the book was written by God? Then how do you know that?
- Read the book! It says so right there, it's the word of God
+ But who wrote it in the first place....
- It says so in the book, God wrote it! Stop questioning! Heretic brute!
+.....

Back when i watched this movie, i did not think it would be so so much appropriate through this life... :p:clapping:

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"Don't look outside the window"
Why?
"There are evil truths out there that i can't handle"
Why?
"I'm unable to explain them to you and therefore you must not know about them"
Why?
Crawls into the floor and turns into a small kid lying in a fetal position, sobbing silently while begging God for the evil person to go away... "I don't knoowwwwwwwwww!" Screams the person
Why don't you know? Says the evil demon


:sherlock::ROFL::shielddeflect:

Yes, I'm a fallen angel, and i won't say sorry for that :p:silent:

[Mashika]

Fear and compliance are the tools of the Church, you don't want to be singled out, do you? Everyone will know and look at you, Shame! Shame! Shaaaaaaaame!

The path to knowledge doesn't lie in the light, because:

Everything that is known, is on the light, there's nothing to hide, it is there for everyone to see

The path to discovery and learning, lies on the dark corner of the room, in there, unknown wisdom exists. But you need to take the step to go there and not fear the darkness. Then once you reach and see, that place is 'enlightened' and is not 'dark' anymore, what you found/discovered has now become 'light' as it is now visible and understood, it has become part of the protective light

If you are told not to look beyond, then you are being told not to grow

Do you understand?

[Docim369]

The more you try to understand other cultures and spiritual paths other than the one that assumes God is an old wise guy in a robe who uses sandals and has a "grandpa" look to it, or a westernized one, the closer you get to understand what's going on

Slow down...
Atma, Buddhi are concepts I am looking at. It is inside every living thing. You could call int Divine Intelligence. It gives life and form.
The externalized god is the deceiver.
One should always discern which spirit is behind a certain thing (Bible teaching).
Like to be cautious concerning spiritual and intellectual pride(Bible teaching)...
I understand your point of view though, much reminds me of mine some years ago.
Much success on whichever path you are following :heart2:

[Mashika]

The more you try to understand other cultures and spiritual paths other than the one that assumes God is an old wise guy in a robe who uses sandals and has a "grandpa" look to it, or a westernized one, the closer you get to understand what's going on

Slow down...

Why?



Atma, Buddhi are concepts I am looking at. It is inside every living thing. You could call int Divine Intelligence. It gives life and form.

If you always follow other people in this way, you will always be (at least) one step behind...



The externalized god is the deceiver.

Everything is deceiving in this reality



One should always discern which spirit is behind a certain thing (Bible teaching).

No. One must not, one should not even try that, it becomes "judgment" based on your beliefs. Do you understand?



Like to be cautious concerning spiritual and intellectual pride(Bible teaching)...

As above



I understand your point of view though, much reminds me of mine some years ago.

Maybe you should have kept going over that path.....



Much success on whichever path you are following :heart2:

Thanks, and hope you do as well

Decypher this meanwhile:P

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117240-Life-is

You are trying to do/learn something, that's the problem right there

[Docim369]

Slow down...
Why?
Because you are making false assumptions and are emotionally reacting.

If you always follow other people in this way, you will always be (at least) one step behind...
It is not other people it is Divine Intelligence, as I have already stated.

No. One must not, one should not even try that, it becomes "judgment" based on your beliefs. Do you understand?
Discernment is not judgment. Because everything in this reality, I agree with you, is deception, EXCEPT THE LIFE GIVING FORCE, one must use discernment in order to not fall into falsehood.

Decypher this meanwhile
I will go through the thread you sent.
Much Love to you :heart:

[Mashika]

Slow down...
Why?
Because you are making false assumptions and are emotionally reacting.

Actually no lmao. I'm playing with your feelings and it was you the one who reacted, back on that post and just now :P




If you always follow other people in this way, you will always be (at least) one step behind...
It is not other people it is Divine Intelligence, as I have already stated.

You should have stopped and think about that first. i specifically explain how dumb that concept and understanding is, but you clearly did not consider it for a second. Makes you look bad




No. One must not, one should not even try that, it becomes "judgment" based on your beliefs. Do you understand?
Discernment is not judgment. Because everything in this reality, I agree with you, is deception, EXCEPT THE LIFE GIVING FORCE, one must use discernment in order to not fall into falsehood.

See, this is how i know you are getting all emotional, but as emotional people tend to do, you accuse me of the very same things you are doing or feeling.. LMFAO!

Also please don't yell, it tends to send spit out of your mouth into other people's faces, even when online conversations

Slow down, you are getting emotional, read your last post several times and you'll see, hopefully




Decypher this meanwhile

I will go through the thread you sent.
Much Love to you :heart:

There is not much there so it's a lot to go through. It could take a lifetime to figure it out because it is just two words. So, if you go there, spend the unnecessary time before assuming things

[Mashika]

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"The page turns on me and you
Across that white plain
The land is unchanged"

:Music:

[ian33]

49076
...to define god(good), is to define/create what is not god(good)
https://www.reed.edu/reed_magazine/march2010/features/capturing_infinity/

[Mashika]

49076
...to define god(good), is to define/create what is not god(good)

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There must be some kind of irony in all of that post

;):ROFL:

[ian33]

49076
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There must be some kind of irony in all of that post

;):ROFL:

will add link see if that works...thanks

[Mashika]

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There must be some kind of irony in all of that post

;):ROFL:

will add link see if that works...thanks

It does! Thank you :)

https://www.reed.edu/reed_magazine/march2010/features/capturing_infinity/images/CLIV.jpg

[Ernie Nemeth]

My relationship with god has changed over the years. If I had to describe it in a few words I would say it has been a very one-sided affair.

For the first forty years of my life I thought of God constantly. There were very few occasions where God was completely forgotten for a time.

I wrote of God, I thought of God, I lived my life as a prayer to God. I ministered for God, bringing solace to others.


It seems I had this idea that one day God would pay me back with wonderful gifts to make my life shine, as befit my status as a child of God. I wonder now if that was my secret notion all along. I wonder if perhaps all this time I was selfishly working on getting a reward from the divine...

When I finally realized that no reward was coming, I became despondent and disillusioned. In my world, my God died that day.

I lived godless for a time, but a person like me cannot function without a higher power to direct my actions and to aspire to.


Since then my internal direction has changed, my philosophies upended.

I now believe that this place, this reality, is the domain of the evil one and that there is no other god here. God cannot be here because it is so willed by its creator - the evil. Evil is life spelled backward because life here is backward and not natural at all. It is anti-life, as imagined by its creator, the evil one.

To have a reality here is to pledge allegiance to its creator, which means an equal detraction to the One True God is also required - we must shun god to be here. To be here is to be godless, since there is only One True God and the evil is not even in the same league.

So, I am godless here, blinded and seduced by evil thoughts and evil deeds.

I yearn for the heritage that awaits me when I die and I am released from this insanity that I willingly took on before my birth. I was tricked. I was fooled. I was soiled. I was turned.

Yet my innocence remains intact because my soul, my essence, is protected still, resting in the arms of my master and savior, The One True God.

I am the only truth here. I am the only love. My mission is not to save, we are all always safe and secure. My mission is to remember what I have forgotten and to bring the light of truth to a dark world of lies.

My God might have died an ignoble death in my eyes but it is actually I that has died to this world.

In that death I have been reborn and my God celebrates my impossible demise...

[Eagle Eye]

The hardest part is to be just and righteous in this world, because to be evil is the simplest thing, that's the challenge in this life. That is the test and will be so until we die. God has placed a firm rule to divide the true believers from the hypocrites and that is to give the best reward in the afterlife, not before. The hypocrites surely will not try to go that far.

[ExomatrixTV]

Its Time To Wake Up - Alan Watts on Religion

The Bible, as we know it, was compiled by the Catholic Church. The Old Testament was finalized by the Jews in 100 A.D., while the New Testament was decided upon in 382 A.D. by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church asserts authority to interpret the Bible based on its historical role in promulgating scripture. Authority of any religious texts ultimately depends on individual beliefs and societal influences rather than inherent validation. Various interpretations of religious texts exist, from literal to metaphorical understandings, all subject to personal belief and cultural background. Alan Watts views Jesus of Nazareth as a human who experienced cosmic consciousness, a phenomenon not exclusive to any particular religion, but found across cultures and backgrounds.

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[Wind]

After direct experience is there any doubt left? After the ecstasy, the laundry. Funny business this human-beingness!


An Experience in Cosmic Consciousness (An Experience in Cosmic Consciousness
)

“I am here, Guruji.” My shamefacedness spoke more eloquently for me.

“Let us go to the kitchen and find something to eat.” Sri Yukteswar’s manner was as natural as if hours and not days had separated us.

“Master, I must have disappointed you by my abrupt departure from my duties here; I thought you might be angry with me.”

“No, of course not! Wrath springs only from thwarted desires. I do not expect anything from others, so their actions cannot be in opposition to wishes of mine. I would not use you for my own ends; I am happy only in your own true happiness.”

“Sir, one hears of divine love in a vague way, but for the first time I am having a concrete example in your angelic self! In the world, even a father does not easily forgive his son if he leaves his parent’s business without warning. But you show not the slightest vexation, though you must have been put to great inconvenience by the many unfinished tasks I left behind.”

We looked into each other’s eyes, where tears were shining. A blissful wave engulfed me; I was conscious that the Lord, in the form of my guru, was expanding the small ardors of my heart into the incompressible reaches of cosmic love.

A few mornings later I made my way to Master’s empty sitting room. I planned to meditate, but my laudable purpose was unshared by disobedient thoughts. They scattered like birds before the hunter.

“Mukunda!” Sri Yukteswar’s voice sounded from a distant inner balcony.

I felt as rebellious as my thoughts. “Master always urges me to meditate,” I muttered to myself. “He should not disturb me when he knows why I came to his room.”

He summoned me again; I remained obstinately silent. The third time his tone held rebuke.

“Sir, I am meditating,” I shouted protestingly.

“I know how you are meditating,” my guru called out, “with your mind distributed like leaves in a storm! Come here to me.”

Snubbed and exposed, I made my way sadly to his side.

“Poor boy, the mountains couldn’t give what you wanted.” Master spoke caressively, comfortingly. His calm gaze was unfathomable. “Your heart’s desire shall be fulfilled.”

Sri Yukteswar seldom indulged in riddles; I was bewildered. He struck gently on my chest above the heart.

My body became immovably rooted; breath was drawn out of my lungs as if by some huge magnet. Soul and mind instantly lost their physical bondage, and streamed out like a fluid piercing light from my every pore. The flesh was as though dead, yet in my intense awareness I knew that never before had I been fully alive. My sense of identity was no longer narrowly confined to a body, but embraced the circumambient atoms. People on distant streets seemed to be moving gently over my own remote periphery. The roots of plants and trees appeared through a dim transparency of the soil; I discerned the inward flow of their sap.

The whole vicinity lay bare before me. My ordinary frontal vision was now changed to a vast spherical sight, simultaneously all-perceptive. Through the back of my head I saw men strolling far down Rai Ghat Road, and noticed also a white cow who was leisurely approaching. When she reached the space in front of the open ashram gate, I observed her with my two physical eyes. As she passed by, behind the brick wall, I saw her clearly still.

All objects within my panoramic gaze trembled and vibrated like quick motion pictures. My body, Master’s, the pillared courtyard, the furniture and floor, the trees and sunshine, occasionally became violently agitated, until all melted into a luminescent sea; even as sugar crystals, thrown into a glass of water, dissolve after being shaken. The unifying light alternated with materializations of form, the metamorphoses revealing the law of cause and effect in creation.

An oceanic joy broke upon calm endless shores of my soul. The Spirit of God, I realized, is exhaustless Bliss; His body is countless tissues of light. A swelling glory within me began to envelop towns, continents, the earth, solar and stellar systems, tenuous nebulae, and floating universes. The entire cosmos, gently luminous, like a city seen afar at night, glimmered within the infinitude of my being. The sharply etched global outlines faded somewhat at the farthest edges; there I could see a mellow radiance, ever-undiminished. It was indescribably subtle; the planetary pictures were formed of a grosser light.

The divine dispersion of rays poured from an Eternal Source, blazing into galaxies, transfigured with ineffable auras. Again and again I saw the creative beams condense into constellations, then resolve into sheets of transparent flame. By rhythmic reversion, sextillion worlds passed into diaphanous luster; fire became firmament.

I cognized the center of the empyrean as a point of intuitive perception in my heart. Irradiating splendor issued from my nucleus to every part of the universal structure. Blissful amrita, the nectar of immortality, pulsed through me with a quicksilverlike fluidity. The creative voice of God I heard resounding as Aum,1

the vibration of the Cosmic Motor.

Suddenly the breath returned to my lungs. With a disappointment almost unbearable, I realized that my infinite immensity was lost. Once more I was limited to the humiliating cage of a body, not easily accommodative to the Spirit. Like a prodigal child, I had run away from my macrocosmic home and imprisoned myself in a narrow microcosm.

My guru was standing motionless before me; I started to drop at his holy feet in gratitude for the experience in cosmic consciousness which I had long passionately sought. He held me upright, and spoke calmly, unpretentiously.

“You must not get overdrunk with ecstasy. Much work yet remains for you in the world. Come; let us sweep the balcony floor; then we shall walk by the Ganges.”

I fetched a broom; Master, I knew, was teaching me the secret of balanced living. The soul must stretch over the cosmogonic abysses, while the body performs its daily duties. When we set out later for a stroll, I was still entranced in unspeakable rapture. I saw our bodies as two astral pictures, moving over a road by the river whose essence was sheer light.

“It is the Spirit of God that actively sustains every form and force in the universe; yet He is transcendental and aloof in the blissful uncreated void beyond the worlds of vibratory phenomena,” 2

Master explained. “Saints who realize their divinity even while in the flesh know a similar twofold existence. Conscientiously engaging in earthly work, they yet remain immersed in an inward beatitude. The Lord has created all men from the limitless joy of His being. Though they are painfully cramped by the body, God nevertheless expects that souls made in His image shall ultimately rise above all sense identifications and reunite with Him.”

The cosmic vision left many permanent lessons. By daily stilling my thoughts, I could win release from the delusive conviction that my body was a mass of flesh and bones, traversing the hard soil of matter. The breath and the restless mind, I saw, were like storms which lashed the ocean of light into waves of material formsearth, sky, human beings, animals, birds, trees. No perception of the Infinite as One Light could be had except by calming those storms. As often as I silenced the two natural tumults, I beheld the multitudinous waves of creation melt into one lucent sea, even as the waves of the ocean, their tempests subsiding, serenely dissolve into unity.

A master bestows the divine experience of cosmic consciousness when his disciple, by meditation, has strengthened his mind to a degree where the vast vistas would not overwhelm him. The experience can never be given through one’s mere intellectual willingness or open-mindedness. Only adequate enlargement by yoga practice and devotional bhakti can prepare the mind to absorb the liberating shock of omnipresence. It comes with a natural inevitability to the sincere devotee. His intense craving begins to pull at God with an irresistible force. The Lord, as the Cosmic Vision, is drawn by the seeker’s magnetic ardor into his range of consciousness.

I wrote, in my later years, the following poem, “Samadhi,” endeavoring to convey the glory of its cosmic state:

Vanished the veils of light and shade,
Lifted every vapor of sorrow,
Sailed away all dawns of fleeting joy,
Gone the dim sensory mirage.
Love, hate, health, disease, life, death,
Perished these false shadows on the screen of duality.
Waves of laughter, scyllas of sarcasm, melancholic whirlpools,
Melting in the vast sea of bliss.
The storm of maya stilled
By magic wand of intuition deep.
The universe, forgotten dream, subconsciously lurks,
Ready to invade my newly-wakened memory divine.
I live without the cosmic shadow,
But it is not, bereft of me;
As the sea exists without the waves,
But they breathe not without the sea.
Dreams, wakings, states of deep turia sleep,
Present, past, future, no more for me,
But ever-present, all-flowing I, I, everywhere.
Planets, stars, stardust, earth,
Volcanic bursts of doomsday cataclysms,
Creation’s molding furnace,
Glaciers of silent x-rays, burning electron floods,
Thoughts of all men, past, present, to come,
Every blade of grass, myself, mankind,
Each particle of universal dust,
Anger, greed, good, bad, salvation, lust,
I swallowed, transmuted all
Into a vast ocean of blood of my own one Being!
Smoldering joy, oft-puffed by meditation
Blinding my tearful eyes,
Burst into immortal flames of bliss,
Consumed my tears, my frame, my all.
Thou art I, I am Thou,
Knowing, Knower, Known, as One!
Tranquilled, unbroken thrill, eternally living, ever-new peace!
Enjoyable beyond imagination of expectancy, samadhi bliss!
Not an unconscious state
Or mental chloroform without wilful return,
Samadhi but extends my conscious realm
Beyond limits of the mortal frame
To farthest boundary of eternity
Where I, the Cosmic Sea,
Watch the little ego floating in Me.
The sparrow, each grain of sand, fall not without My sight.
All space floats like an iceberg in My mental sea.
Colossal Container, I, of all things made.
By deeper, longer, thirsty, guru-given meditation
Comes this celestial samadhi.
Mobile murmurs of atoms are heard,
The dark earth, mountains, vales, lo! molten liquid!
Flowing seas change into vapors of nebulae!
Aum blows upon vapors, opening wondrously their veils,
Oceans stand revealed, shining electrons,
Till, at last sound of the cosmic drum,
Vanish the grosser lights into eternal rays
Of all-pervading bliss.
From joy I came, for joy I live, in sacred joy I melt.
Ocean of mind, I drink all creation’s waves.
Four veils of solid, liquid, vapor, light,
Lift aright.
Myself, in everything, enters the Great Myself.
Gone forever, fitful, flickering shadows of mortal memory.
Spotless is my mental sky, below, ahead, and high above.
Eternity and I, one united ray.
A tiny bubble of laughter, I
Am become the Sea of Mirth Itself.

Sri Yukteswar taught me how to summon the blessed experience at will, and also how to transmit it to others if their intuitive channels were developed. For months I entered the ecstatic union, comprehending why the Upanishads say God is rasa, “the most relishable.” One day, however, I took a problem to Master.

“I want to know, sir when shall I find God?”

“You have found Him.”

“O no, sir, I don’t think so!”

My guru was smiling. “I am sure you aren’t expecting a venerable Personage, adorning a throne in some antiseptic corner of the cosmos! I see, however, that you are imagining that the possession of miraculous powers is knowledge of God. One might have the whole universe, and find the Lord elusive still! Spiritual advancement is not measured by one’s outward powers, but only by the depth of his bliss in meditation.

“Ever-new Joy is God. He is inexhaustible; as you continue your meditations during the years, He will beguile you with an infinite ingenuity. Devotees like yourself who have found the way to God never dream of exchanging Him for any other happiness; He is seductive beyond thought of competition.

“How quickly we weary of earthly pleasures! Desire for material things is endless; man is never satisfied completely, and pursues one goal after another. The ‘something else’ he seeks is the Lord, who alone can grant lasting joy.

“Outward longings drive us from the Eden within; they offer false pleasures which only impersonate soul-happiness. The lost paradise is quickly regained through divine meditation. As God is unanticipatory Ever-Newness, we never tire of Him. Can we be surfeited with bliss, delightfully varied throughout eternity?”

“I understand now, sir, why saints call the Lord unfathomable. Even everlasting life could not suffice to appraise Him.”

“That is true; but He is also near and dear. After the mind has been cleared by Kriya Yoga of sensory obstacles, meditation furnishes a twofold proof of God. Ever-new joy is evidence of His existence, convincing to our very atoms. Also, in meditation one finds His instant guidance, His adequate response to every difficulty.”

“I see, Guruji; you have solved my problem.” I smiled gratefully. “I do realize now that I have found God, for whenever the joy of meditation has returned subconsciously during my active hours, I have been subtly directed to adopt the right course in everything, even details.”

“Human life is beset with sorrow until we know how to tune in with the Divine Will, whose ‘right course’ is often baffling to the egoistic intelligence. God bears the burden of the cosmos; He alone can give unerring counsel.”

1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”-John 1:1.
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2 “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.”-John 5:22. “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”-John 1:18. “Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”-John 14:12. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.”-John 14:26.

These Biblical words refer to the threefold nature of God as Father, Son, Holy Ghost (Sat, Tat, Aum in the Hindu scriptures). God the Father is the Absolute, Unmanifested, existing beyond vibratory creation. God the Son is the Christ Consciousness (Brahma or Kutastha Chaitanya) existing within vibratory creation; this Christ Consciousness is the “only begotten” or sole reflection of the Uncreated Infinite. Its outward manifestation or “witness” is Aum or Holy Ghost, the divine, creative, invisible power which structures all creation through vibration. Aum the blissful Comforter is heard in meditation and reveals to the devotee the ultimate Truth.

~ Paramahansa Yogananda

[O Donna]

God is not dependent on believers but believers appear dependent on gods. Nature of the beast. I blame Eve. :shielddeflect::bigsmile::Angel:

Wait…

No, the serpent
No, the forbidden fruit
No, the garden
No, consciousness
No, god(s)

So hard to pinpoint, keeps moving, quite the changeling.

https://content.presentermedia.com/content/animsp/00015000/15314/figure_hit_moving_target_300_wht.gif

I'd say, don't stop believing but that isn't going to happen. We all have our dart(s).

[Anchor]

We all have our dart(s).

Reminds me of this:


I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organised; nor should any organisation be formed to lead or coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organise a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organise it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallised; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others.

All of it is here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12377-Krishnamurti-Truth-Is-A-Pathless-Land&p=108731&viewfull=1#post108731

[Jacqui D]

We are all God/Source through us Source experiences so yes i believe in God. Source learns experiences via all of us,whether we are positive or negative all is experiencing. But source is balanced and when you become one with that part of source again all is one.

[Vicus]

i don't need any respond to this, but if yourself consider a Christian, do yourself a favor. don't use a crucifix...a death symbol...

it is a torture instrument from romans , you can called Archons too.

Use a fish, a life symbol.

[O Donna]

don't use a crucifix...a death symbol...

it is a torture instrument from romans , you can called Archons too.



That is just one of many uses of the symbol. To affix meaning only to that is a disservice to its potential.

The symbol (of Jesus etc.) on or off the cross means two different things entirely.

Groups claim a symbol as if they own it, it's not a NFT. lol

Example: Think the swastika and Nazism are synonymous? Only in a small window in all of human history.

Banning a symbol in and of itself is ludicrous, may as well burn some books while at it.

[Eagle Eye]

A symbol is used mostly to identify a group of people, not to represent the religion or to represent God. By the way christians should hate the cross, but instead they made it as a symbol of their religion. They are more interested on cruxifiction part, than the teaching of Jesus and his devotion to God. Also muslims shouldn't use the half moon as symbol because it's nowhere written in the Scripture and still they use it.

[Spiral]

A symbol is used mostly to identify a group of people, not to represent the religion or to represent God. By the way christians should hate the cross, but instead they made it as a symbol of their religion. They are more interested on cruxifiction part, than the teaching of Jesus and his devotion to God. Also muslims shouldn't use the half moon as symbol because it's nowhere written in the Scripture and still they use it.

The Crucifixion (and resurrection) is key to the whole thing about Christianity, and no, no one is more "interested" in that part than devotion to God (whatever that is supposed to mean).

[Eagle Eye]

The Crucifixion (and resurrection) is key to the whole thing about Christianity, and no, no one is more "interested" in that part than devotion to God (whatever that is supposed to mean).

Who used the cross as a symbol before Jesus, it was the Romans. Why use the same symbol when Jesus opposed the belief of the Romans that was paganism. Jesus never mentioned the cross as a symbol, it was decided after, at the famous council of Nicaea. Jesus never claimed to be God or son of God, it was decided after. He only claimed that he came from God. The Romans couldn't keep their belief anymore because Jesus brought clear evidences, so they thought a middle way to adapt their paganism to Jesus teaching and then christianity was created. The verses of bible need original language to understand it's true meaning, too many mistakes in interpretation by wrong translation. If they are translated well, then we will see that it has a different way from the religion of christianity.

[Spiral]

The Crucifixion (and resurrection) is key to the whole thing about Christianity, and no, no one is more "interested" in that part than devotion to God (whatever that is supposed to mean).

Who used the cross as a symbol before Jesus, it was the Romans. Why use the same symbol when Jesus opposed the belief of the Romans that was paganism. Jesus never mentioned the cross as a symbol, it was decided after, at the famous council of Nicaea. Jesus never claimed to be God or son of God, it was decided after. A human that had supernatural abilities doesn't mean he is God. The Romans couldn't keep their belief anymore because Jesus brought clear evidences, so they thought a middle way to adapt their paganism to Jesus teaching and then christianity was created. The verses of bible need original language to understand it's true meaning, too many mistakes in interpretation by wrong translation. If they are translated well, then we will see that it has a different way from the religion of christianity.

I don''t believe any of that for one minute, and neither have the thousands of Bible scholars over two millennia, it' has all been looked into & researched at great depth, and in the original languages.

The Romans didn't create Christianity they adopted it.

[Simon Sparx]

My two favorite subjects to talk about, Religion and Politics. The two topics your not supposed to talk about.

Humans are strange creatures, with this incessant need to know everything so much so they literally make stuff up to fit whatever the question is.

I know there is "something" because whatever it is works in my life daily. I have had super nature incidents in my life personally so I do not question that it is there.

Now what do I call it, or how do I explain it to others? I don't. I feel that this journey is for the individual to have and not my place to advise or question what that may be or not be.

I do how ever take issue if their journey involves me, in an adverse way - I will protect myself at all costs. Again, part of my journey.

I don't believe we have the mental capacity to ask the right questions, and our inability to understand the concept of time.

But I do like this explanation in the first 30 mins of Zeitgeist.


FN0pd_8yTLU

Thomas Paine, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States had some choice words to add also. Wrote a book called "Common Sense" how fitting.

“Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter.”

― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

Elon Musk has a interesting take on life in general as well.

xBKRuI2zHp0

I do believe "the message" that we do have has been bastardized over the ages to suit a certain group. I call them Zionists.

You can even see the first form os what we call today as "fact checkers" back in the day they called them Blasphemer's, Heretics, Hoax's, Conspiracy theorists, and now "fact checkers"



THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION

I attached an image, look at the bottom of it and see an example. Then read what this text says, and apply it to todays going on's

https://www.howardnema.com/wp-conte...e_Protocols_of_the_Learned_Elders_of_Zion.pdf

Douglas Reed wrote a great book right after WW2

Controversy of Zion.


https://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

"The disappearance into almost total oblivion of Douglas Reed and all his works was a change that could not have been wrought by time alone; indeed, the correctness of his interpretation of the unfolding history of the times found some confirmation in what happened to him when at the height of his powers. After 1951, with the publication of Far and Wide, in which he set the history of the United States of America into the context of all he had learned in Europe of the politics of the world, Reed found himself banished from the book stands, all publishers doors closed to him, and those books already published liable to be withdrawn from library shelves and lost , never to be replaced. His public career as a writer now apparently at an end, Reed was at last free to undertake a great task for which all that had gone before was but a kind of preparation and education that no university could provide and which only the fortunate and gifted few could fully use - his years as a foreign correspondent, his travels in Europe and America, his conversations and contacts with the great political leaders of his day, plus his eager absorption through reading and observation of all that was best in European culture. Experiences which other men might have accepted as defeat, served only to focus Douglas Reed s powers on what was to be his most important undertaking - that of researching and retelling the story of the last 2000 years and more in such a way as to render intelligible much of modern history which for the masses remains in our time steeped in darkness and closely guarded by the terrors of an invisible system of censorship. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title."

Editorial Reviews
Review
The Zionists

This book, The Controversy of Zion, infuriated me. I could read it only short sections at a time. On practically every page it challenged my conventional view of history with newly unveiled facts that made me realize I've been lied to and led by the nose by that conventional view all my life. From its mid nineteen-fifties completion Journalist/historian Douglas Reed has given the book a ring of authenticity, and prescient currency--very well researched, referenced, and attributed with much first-hand, on-the-spot witnessing of inside events by him during the two World Wars, between and afterwards.

Remarkable here are the detailed revelations of the mostly covert machinations of the Judaics and their Gentile puppets--tip-top-most placed--for the achievement of Zionism and the Jews general financial and political advantage and supremacy. In England and the US these were intricate international back-room operations for the most part. But all that time, for the relatively small population who was aware of what was going on, the furtherance of Zionism was contrary to their popular wish.

And author Reed makes clear that not all Jews were in favor of the Zionist project. Many Jews have vehemently opposed it up to his day and even now. The driver groups were then mostly comparatively new Jews, the Khazars or Eastern European Jews, (ironic that they are not "The People of the Book"). Yet Zionism had, and has, an almost magic life, or nine lives of its own through some not-entirely clear means or over-force. Everything in that regard though points mainly to the Russian Rabbinate along with the very, very low profile backing of the Rothschild's with other associated Jew bankster's with their gargantuan money and power.

Early on, the book systematically traces the two competing thought-lines from their first Biblical development. One was benign, which has mostly died out; the other destructive. That one started with the Levites, through to the Pharisees, then formalized in the Talmud and finally resulted in our times in the twin world revolutions of Communism on the one hand and Zionism on the other. Those being the inheritance in the Twentieth Century almost lineally direct from the Pharisees now the Talmudic Rabbis, (yes, the same club, the Jews who put the hits on the ancient prophets, Isaiah and Jeremiah, and then Jesus).

Reed points out that roughly 2500 years ago, relative to the indigenous population in the Levant, the Judahites were commanded by "The Law" thusly: "...thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:..." (Deuteronomy, 7,2). What kind of a god supports that kind of commandment? It seems clear that the Levites then, and their co-religionists now, are the children of a lesser god, (lesser than the Father God told of by Jesus who was attempting reform). To use the descriptor "Judaeo-Christian" for the Christian belief system seems false and a sop toward the demanding power of Judaism.

The Zionist Jews treatment of the Palestinians for over half a century now may seem like deja view in regard to this Old Testament commandment to slaughter humans, especially in light of the obscene 2008 Israeli war, "Operation Cast Lead", against Gaza civilians, (are we forgetting American phosphorous shells which burned flesh through to the bone and Flechette and DIME bombs).

If there is a lesson from Reed's book it's to stop these Zionist Satanists before they bring down the whole Mid-East and then the world in their image of a New World Order to be headquartered in Israel, (which, the way things are going, might then be one of the few sovereign states remaining). In anticipation, Rothschilds have recently built the Supreme Court there but sized it to be a World Court. --Amazon

What Douglas Reed understood when he wrote this book helps us to understand the world today

Douglas Reed examines the innermost doctrines and psychopathic characteristics of the "Laws" and rules of the Torah. He explains with examples throughout history what this has led to. It is most disturbing, very fascinating, and an absolute requirement for understanding how it is possible that a cult could maneuver itself on a course of total self-destruction, destroying everything around it during this self destruction. The Zionist false flag attack on the US on 9-11 becomes more easily understood after reading this book. And remember Douglas Reed wrote this just after WWII. He was Britain's foremost World War II correspondent.
Today, this book is more relevant than ever before.

[Simon Sparx]

My two favorite subjects to talk about, Religion and Politics. The two topics your not supposed to talk about.

Humans are strange creatures, with this incessant need to know everything so much so they literally make stuff up to fit whatever the question is.

I know there is "something" because whatever it is works in my life daily. I have had super nature incidents in my life personally so I do not question that it is there.

Now what do I call it, or how do I explain it to others? I don't. I feel that this journey is for the individual to have and not my place to advise or question what that may be or not be.

I do how ever take issue if their journey involves me, in an adverse way - I will protect myself at all costs. Again, part of my journey.

I don't believe we have the mental capacity to ask the right questions, and our inability to understand the concept of time.

But I do like this explanation in the first 30 mins of Zeitgeist.


FN0pd_8yTLU

Thomas Paine, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States had some choice words to add also. Wrote a book called "Common Sense" how fitting.

“Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter.”

― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

Elon Musk has a interesting take on life in general as well.

xBKRuI2zHp0

I do believe "the message" that we do have has been bastardized over the ages to suit a certain group. I call them Zionists.

You can even see the first form os what we call today as "fact checkers" back in the day they called them Blasphemer's, Heretics, Hoax's, Conspiracy theorists, and now "fact checkers"



THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION

I attached an image, look at the bottom of it and see an example. Then read what this text says, and apply it to todays going on's

https://www.howardnema.com/wp-conte...e_Protocols_of_the_Learned_Elders_of_Zion.pdf

Douglas Reed wrote a great book right after WW2

Controversy of Zion.


https://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

"The disappearance into almost total oblivion of Douglas Reed and all his works was a change that could not have been wrought by time alone; indeed, the correctness of his interpretation of the unfolding history of the times found some confirmation in what happened to him when at the height of his powers. After 1951, with the publication of Far and Wide, in which he set the history of the United States of America into the context of all he had learned in Europe of the politics of the world, Reed found himself banished from the book stands, all publishers doors closed to him, and those books already published liable to be withdrawn from library shelves and lost , never to be replaced. His public career as a writer now apparently at an end, Reed was at last free to undertake a great task for which all that had gone before was but a kind of preparation and education that no university could provide and which only the fortunate and gifted few could fully use - his years as a foreign correspondent, his travels in Europe and America, his conversations and contacts with the great political leaders of his day, plus his eager absorption through reading and observation of all that was best in European culture. Experiences which other men might have accepted as defeat, served only to focus Douglas Reed s powers on what was to be his most important undertaking - that of researching and retelling the story of the last 2000 years and more in such a way as to render intelligible much of modern history which for the masses remains in our time steeped in darkness and closely guarded by the terrors of an invisible system of censorship. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title."

Editorial Reviews
Review
The Zionists

This book, The Controversy of Zion, infuriated me. I could read it only short sections at a time. On practically every page it challenged my conventional view of history with newly unveiled facts that made me realize I've been lied to and led by the nose by that conventional view all my life. From its mid nineteen-fifties completion Journalist/historian Douglas Reed has given the book a ring of authenticity, and prescient currency--very well researched, referenced, and attributed with much first-hand, on-the-spot witnessing of inside events by him during the two World Wars, between and afterwards.

Remarkable here are the detailed revelations of the mostly covert machinations of the Judaics and their Gentile puppets--tip-top-most placed--for the achievement of Zionism and the Jews general financial and political advantage and supremacy. In England and the US these were intricate international back-room operations for the most part. But all that time, for the relatively small population who was aware of what was going on, the furtherance of Zionism was contrary to their popular wish.

And author Reed makes clear that not all Jews were in favor of the Zionist project. Many Jews have vehemently opposed it up to his day and even now. The driver groups were then mostly comparatively new Jews, the Khazars or Eastern European Jews, (ironic that they are not "The People of the Book"). Yet Zionism had, and has, an almost magic life, or nine lives of its own through some not-entirely clear means or over-force. Everything in that regard though points mainly to the Russian Rabbinate along with the very, very low profile backing of the Rothschild's with other associated Jew bankster's with their gargantuan money and power.

Early on, the book systematically traces the two competing thought-lines from their first Biblical development. One was benign, which has mostly died out; the other destructive. That one started with the Levites, through to the Pharisees, then formalized in the Talmud and finally resulted in our times in the twin world revolutions of Communism on the one hand and Zionism on the other. Those being the inheritance in the Twentieth Century almost lineally direct from the Pharisees now the Talmudic Rabbis, (yes, the same club, the Jews who put the hits on the ancient prophets, Isaiah and Jeremiah, and then Jesus).

Reed points out that roughly 2500 years ago, relative to the indigenous population in the Levant, the Judahites were commanded by "The Law" thusly: "...thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:..." (Deuteronomy, 7,2). What kind of a god supports that kind of commandment? It seems clear that the Levites then, and their co-religionists now, are the children of a lesser god, (lesser than the Father God told of by Jesus who was attempting reform). To use the descriptor "Judaeo-Christian" for the Christian belief system seems false and a sop toward the demanding power of Judaism.

The Zionist Jews treatment of the Palestinians for over half a century now may seem like deja view in regard to this Old Testament commandment to slaughter humans, especially in light of the obscene 2008 Israeli war, "Operation Cast Lead", against Gaza civilians, (are we forgetting American phosphorous shells which burned flesh through to the bone and Flechette and DIME bombs).

If there is a lesson from Reed's book it's to stop these Zionist Satanists before they bring down the whole Mid-East and then the world in their image of a New World Order to be headquartered in Israel, (which, the way things are going, might then be one of the few sovereign states remaining). In anticipation, Rothschilds have recently built the Supreme Court there but sized it to be a World Court. --Amazon

What Douglas Reed understood when he wrote this book helps us to understand the world today

Douglas Reed examines the innermost doctrines and psychopathic characteristics of the "Laws" and rules of the Torah. He explains with examples throughout history what this has led to. It is most disturbing, very fascinating, and an absolute requirement for understanding how it is possible that a cult could maneuver itself on a course of total self-destruction, destroying everything around it during this self destruction. The Zionist false flag attack on the US on 9-11 becomes more easily understood after reading this book. And remember Douglas Reed wrote this just after WWII. He was Britain's foremost World War II correspondent.
Today, this book is more relevant than ever before.


Why is the written word so powerful?

We live in this time, when the future looks back to this time now, do you think they will know what happened, with the Plandemic, and vaccine, the Great Reset?

The victors get to write the history and "they" control the written word.

The world collectively MUST PUSH VERY HARD RIGHT NOW, we got "them" on the ropes, we let this opportunity let us pass. We can stop this madness once and for all

t52LB2fYhoY

I absolutely believe in God, what it is I don't know, and I really don't need to know either. I'm ok with not knowing.

I was raised Christian Scientist, and we believe the power of faith, and believing. The easiest way to explain it is the placebo effect, you heal yourself through faith.

Its a pretty exciting time also to be a CS, literal science is proving what we believe all the time.

[Johnnycomelately]

[QUOTE=Simon Sparx;1503011]My two favorite subjects to talk about, Religion and Politics. The two topics your not supposed to talk about.

Humans are strange creatures, with this incessant need to know everything so much so they literally make stuff up to fit whatever the question is.

I know there is "something" because whatever it is works in my life daily. I have had super nature incidents in my life personally so I do not question that it is there.

Now what do I call it, or how do I explain it to others? I don't. I feel that this journey is for the individual to have and not my place to advise or question what that may be or not be.




Why is the written word so powerful?

We live in this time, when the future looks back to this time now, do you think they will know what happened, with the Plandemic, and vaccine, the Great Reset?

The victors get to write the history and "they" control the written word.



I absolutely believe in God, what it is I don't know, and I really don't need to know either. I'm ok with not knowing.

I was raised Christian Scientist, and we believe the power of faith, and believing. The easiest way to explain it is the placebo effect, you heal yourself through faith.

Its a pretty exciting time also to be a CS, literal science is proving what we believe all the time.

Interesting, thanks.

[Eagle Eye]

Many things in this system are created from lies well covered. Just one big lie can change the course of mankind. Jesus wasn't born on 25 December, but it was appointed by Romans, because it's a pagan celebration for the sun. They worshipped the sun and still do, if you recognise the symbols. Second most important one is that Jesus didn't die on cross, also most probable the person crucified wasn't Jesus at all. Jesus was indeed born from a virgin, he also did miracles, but was a human. A human chosen by God to bring a message to mankind with clear evidences of what God is capable to create and also to teach them for the path they should follow.

[Johnnycomelately]

Many things in this system are created from lies well covered. Just one big lie can change the course of mankind. Jesus wasn't born on 25 December, but it was appointed by Romans, because it's a pagan celebration for the sun. They worshipped the sun and still do, if you recognise the symbols. Second most important one is that Jesus didn't die on cross, also most probable the person crucified wasn't Jesus at all. Jesus lived after that date and people thought he was resurrected but he was just gone. Some say he went to India and others say he went to Japan, we don't have more information after that. Jesus was indeed born from a virgin, he also did miracles, but was a human. A human chosen by God to bring a message to mankind with clear evidences of what God is capable to create and also to teach them for the path they should follow.

I’ll take “What is a human?” for two bits, Alex.

Am I doin’ this right?

[palehorse]

as Gurdjieff put

"the way of the fakir as well as the way of the monk and the way of the yogi, have one thing in common. They all begin with the most difficult thing, with a complete change of life, with a renunciation of all worldly things ... From the very first day, from the very first step on his way, he must die to the world; only thus can he hope to attain anything on one of these ways."

There is no answer for the question of this thread, because it is not a matter of believe or not.. maybe some "I" inside me may be more inclined to the existence of God/Creator/Major Power/Almighty/Whatever, but maybe the million other "I"s in me may not be so inclined in that direction. Tough question.

[DaveToo]

Many things in this system are created from lies well covered. Just one big lie can change the course of mankind. Jesus wasn't born on 25 December, but it was appointed by Romans, because it's a pagan celebration for the sun. They worshipped the sun and still do, if you recognise the symbols. Second most important one is that Jesus didn't die on cross, also most probable the person crucified wasn't Jesus at all. Jesus lived after that day and people thought he was resurrected but he was just gone. Some say he went to India and others say he went to Japan, we don't have more information after that. Jesus was indeed born from a virgin, he also did miracles, but was a human. A human chosen by God to bring a message to mankind with clear evidences of what God is capable to create and also to teach them for the path they should follow.

You talk sentence after sentence as if with absolute certainty.
Could you please provide proof to everyone here that Jesus was born from a virgin?

[Eagle Eye]

Could you please provide proof to everyone here that Jesus was born from a virgin?

It's mentioned several times in the Gospel and the Quran, but if you refuse all Scriptures, you won't believe this either.

[DaveToo]

Could you please provide proof to everyone here that Jesus was born from a virgin?

It's mentioned several times in the Gospel and the Quran, but if you refuse all Scriptures, you won't believe this either.

I had a feeling I would receive a reply along these lines. :)
To me, written words promoting a belief is not proof.

I don't believe Jesus was born from a virgin.

[pueblo]

Many things in this system are created from lies well covered. Just one big lie can change the course of mankind. Jesus wasn't born on 25 December, but it was appointed by Romans, because it's a pagan celebration for the sun. They worshipped the sun and still do, if you recognise the symbols. Second most important one is that Jesus didn't die on cross, also most probable the person crucified wasn't Jesus at all. Jesus lived after that day and people thought he was resurrected but he was just gone. Some say he went to India and others say he went to Japan, we don't have more information after that. Jesus was indeed born from a virgin, he also did miracles, but was a human. A human chosen by God to bring a message to mankind with clear evidences of what God is capable to create and also to teach them for the path they should follow.

You talk sentence after sentence as if with absolute certainty.
Could you please provide proof to everyone here that Jesus was born from a virgin?




Could you please provide proof to everyone here that Jesus was born from a virgin?

It's mentioned several times in the Gospel and the Quran, but if you refuse all Scriptures, you won't believe this either.


Apologies to the OP if this is too OT, but to the posters above, would you consider considering that perhaps the whole virgin story is not actually about the veracity (or otherwise) of the physical birth of a godchild to an actual physical "virgin" but is in (Spiritual) reality, an esoteric device, a myth/archetype/story that conceals a deeper truth?


In Hinduism, Lord Krishna is believed to be virgin born even after his mother Devaki had five previous children. The Virgin Mary birthed Christ, while Buddha was born of the Virgin Maya. Egyptians worshiped Isis as the Virgin Goddess and Mother of Horus. In Greek mythology, there was Myrrh the Virgin Mother of Adonis, while Dionysus was revered as a 'Twice Born.' Mithra is an Indo-Persian-Roman God whose birthday is celebrated around the winter solstice December 25 as he was Virgin born in a cave for an egg-shaped stone. There is an endless trail of miraculous events leading to the birth of each God, mystifying aspirants with a sense of awe and wonder even to this day.



https://mythicspiral.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-hidden-meaning-of-virgin-birth.html

It is possible to read the myth in many ways, here is an example..


Viewed from the perspective of the Kundalini thesis 'Virginity' symbolizes the 'Sublimation of Sexual energy' leading to a connection to the individualized soul. Phrases such as 'Reborn,' 'Born again,' 'Twice Born,' and 'Resurrected' reflect the tremendous physical and mental expansion caused by this transformation. A transformation that may occur suddenly, sometimes within months, but usually, it takes many years (or decades) for the brain and nerves to physically evolve. This process completely alters the normal state of consciousness as if the old personality died and was 'born again' or 'resurrected' from the dead. It is this spiritual transformation of body and mind, that is the foundation on which religions, mythology, and legends are built.

There is a long historical precedent in the ancient religious practices which considered chastity and celibacy an indispensable practice for spiritual advancement. Even to this day, Catholic and Buddhists monks take a vow of celibacy. Different religious sects had understood the link between sublimation of sexual energies and spirituality but through the long march of history have lost its significance. While in Yogic and Taoist Philosophies this knowledge of the biological nature of recirculated sexual essences has never been forgotten and is taught openly. Western patriarchal religions regard sexual procreation as a legitimate avenue open to expression, but Urdhva–Retas , (i.e., sublimation) does not factor into their belief system except in a subconscious manner. There are particular faiths such as the Catholic religion that still practices celibacy but without any link to higher consciousness.

The ancient philosophers believed that humanity was a reflection of the universe, as indicated in their universal motto, "As Above so Below." Interpreted in this way, the Gods, Goddess, and Divine child become personifications of psychological forces within oneself. Therefore the trinity of forces exists within, as the Virgin Goddess is a personification of Kundalini. She is the dormant Shakti, whose feminine creative energy (Shakti) rises upward to meet the archetypal masculine God, that flows downward from the heavens starting with the crown chakra. Once the two opposites are purified, conjoined and married,(symbolized by the sacred marriage), a Divine Child (spirit) is born within.

In India, Kundalini is worshiped as a Goddess. Her activities, actions, and wisdom portray the effects of an intense awakening. The emphasis on virginity teaches purity, restraint, chastity, and self-discipline because these efforts are an integral part of the biological and psychological conditions necessary for enlightenment. Similarly, the Greek Virgin Goddess Athena and Egyptian Isis have the same function in denoting in mythic form the proper practices for further evolution. Arthur Avalon presents an insight into this aspect in his book “Serpent Power.”

“Man is a microcosm, (Ksudra-Bramanda).3 the world is a microcosm (Bramandra), there are numberless worlds, each governed by its own Lords, though there is one great mother of all whom these Lords themselves worship, placing on their heads the dust of her feet. In everything, there is all that is in anything else. There is thus nothing in the universe which is not in the human body. There is no need to throw one’s eyes into the heavens to find god. He is within, being known as the ‘’ ruler within ‘’ (Antarymina) or “Inner Self” (Antaratma).” (2)

The birth of the Divine child takes place by the power of the “Great Mother of All,” the Goddess, Kundalini. When she rises up the Sushumna into the crown chakra the individual experiences, an expansion of consciousness which lasts until the Pranic energy in the form sublimated essences (Ojas) is expended. Brahmacharya is a major biological factor responsible for spiritual enlightenment; it is the energetic component bonding together two ends of spirit and matter. Without a considerable amount of Ojas obtained from sexual essences, no expansion of consciousness can occur. It has been stated in yogic philosophy that continuous celibacy over a period of twelve years is required for a permanent state of Samadhi. Yoga and Taoism have understood the intimate connection between the physical body and higher awareness. Yogic practices such as Brahmacharya and The Taoist “Microcosmic Orbit’’ are based entirely on re-circulation and sublimation of sexual essences.

Physical postures (asana) along with pranayama were predicated on the knowledge gathered through observing initiates spontaneous awakenings. By repeating the exact movements, the yogi could attune the body to the increasing intensity of the Pranic spectrum. Why would anyone believe that the physical stretching (asana) or Breathing (Pranayama) could affect the spiritual unless of course the human body itself is saturated with cosmic intelligence? The yogic system is focused on merging individual consciousness with Brahman; the vital energy for this is provided in Brahmacharya; to understand the symbol of the "Virgin Birth" one needs to be conversant with Yogic Philosophy. Sri Swami Sivananda has written these thoughts on Brahmacharya:


https://mythicspiral.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-hidden-meaning-of-virgin-birth.html

I have read somewhere that Belief and Gnosis (knowledge) are polar opposites.

[Eagle Eye]

One thing is important to be mentioned, that since the beginning until later times, there were chosen people, called also prophets or messengers that brought the same message in different times and place. They brought the message in different ways about one monotheistic religion and one God. We can find Scriptures about monotheistic religion in many countries and cultures, but needs to be read with caution because some texts has been corrupted from the original. When a prophet came to the people and spoke about one God, he brought conflict to the community, because people wanted to believe what they desired and not what someone tells them it's right to believe. So almost everyone of them were threaten with their life. There are many stories about them, but I will mention some: The story of Noah and the Ark, Abraham in Babylon, Moses in Egypt, David in Israel, the story of Jesus and Muhammad in Arabia. They were all targets of the leaders of that country and also of most of people. Despite from the challenges, all of them fulfilled their task successfully, but it would never be possible for them to succeed, without divine intervention.

[O Donna]

Proof and belief are two sides of the same coin. That very coin is worthless in comparison to the ineffable itself. Putting ineffable and coin side-by-side is a literary device of communication, not exactly reality. Just like scriptures of any kind is not purely reality.

The whole of scripture, used in a particular way, is like a totem one carries in hand along a path. (On a path of appearances they have limited value. Wilderness can be intimidating to say the least)

Other totem manifestations:
Grounding coin/ totem/ stone/ crystal
Soothing coin/ totem/ stone/ crystal
Sensory coin/ totem/ stone/ crystal
(to name a few)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/25/e2/1925e2ef2fbf8d7c04f4ca7b651a8f4a.png

[DaveToo]

Proof and belief are two sides of the same coin. That very coin is worthless in comparison to the ineffable itself. Putting ineffable and coin side-by-side is a literary device of communication, not exactly reality. Just like scriptures of any kind is not purely reality.

The whole of scripture, used in a particular way, is like a totem one carries in hand along a path. (On a path of appearances they have limited value. Wilderness can be intimidating to say the least)



To me that's a very interesting take!

For me it's like saying "Knowing something to be true and believing something to be true" are the same.

[O Donna]

Proof and belief are two sides of the same coin. That very coin is worthless in comparison to the ineffable itself. Putting ineffable and coin side-by-side is a literary device of communication, not exactly reality. Just like scriptures of any kind is not purely reality.

The whole of scripture, used in a particular way, is like a totem one carries in hand along a path. (On a path of appearances they have limited value. Wilderness can be intimidating to say the least)



To me that's a very interesting take!

For me it's like saying "Knowing something to be true and believing something to be true" are the same.

Yes,

without either being THE true itself

[DaveToo]

Proof and belief are two sides of the same coin. That very coin is worthless in comparison to the ineffable itself. Putting ineffable and coin side-by-side is a literary device of communication, not exactly reality. Just like scriptures of any kind is not purely reality.

The whole of scripture, used in a particular way, is like a totem one carries in hand along a path. (On a path of appearances they have limited value. Wilderness can be intimidating to say the least)



To me that's a very interesting take!

For me it's like saying "Knowing something to be true and believing something to be true" are the same.

Yes,

without either being THE true itself

Sure OK, I'll give you that one.
But surely you believe certain things in this world are THE truth?
It's those truths that I was referring to, not the other ones.

They can't be two sides of the same coin.

[O Donna]

Proof and belief are two sides of the same coin. That very coin is worthless in comparison to the ineffable itself. Putting ineffable and coin side-by-side is a literary device of communication, not exactly reality. Just like scriptures of any kind is not purely reality.

The whole of scripture, used in a particular way, is like a totem one carries in hand along a path. (On a path of appearances they have limited value. Wilderness can be intimidating to say the least)



To me that's a very interesting take!

For me it's like saying "Knowing something to be true and believing something to be true" are the same.

Yes,

without either being THE true itself

Sure OK, I'll give you that one.
But surely you believe certain things in this world are THE truth?
It's those truths that I was referring to, not the other ones.

They can't be two sides of the same coin.

What's the coin made of? Are not the side(s) made of the same stuff?

[DaveToo]

Proof and belief are two sides of the same coin. That very coin is worthless in comparison to the ineffable itself. Putting ineffable and coin side-by-side is a literary device of communication, not exactly reality. Just like scriptures of any kind is not purely reality.

The whole of scripture, used in a particular way, is like a totem one carries in hand along a path. (On a path of appearances they have limited value. Wilderness can be intimidating to say the least)



To me that's a very interesting take!

For me it's like saying "Knowing something to be true and believing something to be true" are the same.

Yes,

without either being THE true itself

Sure OK, I'll give you that one.
But surely you believe certain things in this world are THE truth?
It's those truths that I was referring to, not the other ones.

They can't be two sides of the same coin.

What's the coin made of? Are not the side(s) made of the same stuff?

Sure I know what you mean.
But when I said "They can't be two sides of the same coin" I meant that literally.

So when you have THE truth, it can NEVER occupy the other side of a coin that has believing on one side.

Believing can't come anywhere near THE truth, or someone will always say,"Oh that's just two sides of the same coin."

You need a separate coin for THE truth and a separate coin for believing.
and preferably have THE truth on both sides of one coin and believing on both sides of the other coin.

This way, East is East, and West is West, and never the coin shall meet!

Understand what I'm saying now? :)

[O Donna]

Proof and belief are two sides of the same coin. That very coin is worthless in comparison to the ineffable itself. Putting ineffable and coin side-by-side is a literary device of communication, not exactly reality. Just like scriptures of any kind is not purely reality.

The whole of scripture, used in a particular way, is like a totem one carries in hand along a path. (On a path of appearances they have limited value. Wilderness can be intimidating to say the least)



To me that's a very interesting take!

For me it's like saying "Knowing something to be true and believing something to be true" are the same.

Yes,

without either being THE true itself

Sure OK, I'll give you that one.
But surely you believe certain things in this world are THE truth?
It's those truths that I was referring to, not the other ones.

They can't be two sides of the same coin.

What's the coin made of? Are not the side(s) made of the same stuff?

Sure I know what you mean.
But when I said "They can't be two sides of the same coin" I meant that literally.

So when you have THE truth, it can NEVER occupy the other side of a coin that has believing on one side.

Believing can't come anywhere near THE truth, or someone will always say,"Oh that's just two sides of the same coin."

You need a separate coin for THE truth and a separate coin for believing.
and preferably have THE truth on both sides of one coin and believing on both sides of the other coin.

This way, East is East, and West is West, and never the coin shall meet!

Understand what I'm saying now? :)

which side?

https://store.rangercoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/sc-1634-preview.jpg

[Ernie Nemeth]

I prefer to believe in the truth...

[DaveToo]

Proof and belief are two sides of the same coin. That very coin is worthless in comparison to the ineffable itself. Putting ineffable and coin side-by-side is a literary device of communication, not exactly reality. Just like scriptures of any kind is not purely reality.

The whole of scripture, used in a particular way, is like a totem one carries in hand along a path. (On a path of appearances they have limited value. Wilderness can be intimidating to say the least)



To me that's a very interesting take!

For me it's like saying "Knowing something to be true and believing something to be true" are the same.

Yes,

without either being THE true itself

Sure OK, I'll give you that one.
But surely you believe certain things in this world are THE truth?
It's those truths that I was referring to, not the other ones.

They can't be two sides of the same coin.

What's the coin made of? Are not the side(s) made of the same stuff?

Sure I know what you mean.
But when I said "They can't be two sides of the same coin" I meant that literally.

So when you have THE truth, it can NEVER occupy the other side of a coin that has believing on one side.

Believing can't come anywhere near THE truth, or someone will always say,"Oh that's just two sides of the same coin."

You need a separate coin for THE truth and a separate coin for believing.
and preferably have THE truth on both sides of one coin and believing on both sides of the other coin.

This way, East is East, and West is West, and never the coin shall meet!

Understand what I'm saying now? :)

which side?

https://store.rangercoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/sc-1634-preview.jpg

If you insist on using coins, then the question should be:

Which coin, THE truth coin, or the believing coin?

I will always choose THE truth coin.
Which one will you choose?

[Anchor]

I don't get the "two sides of a coin" analogy being used here.

The truth - a fact or in accordance with reality.

Belief (in that truth) - the state of recognizing and accepting something as truth (there might be a crossover with faith here).

A hypothesis - something that could be true but is subject to further exploration

Belief (in that hypothesis) - faith?

Obviously this pins on an acceptable definition of reality which is pretty much impossible - and the set of what is real exceeds what we can perceive in varying measures. Given that, then the precise truth and what might be true is going to be different for everyone as we all have different levels of discernment.

How does the two sides of a coin analogy work with moving goalposts? For example: how many times have you believed something to be true, only later on you have found out that it wasn't... then you set about figuring out how your discernment let you down.

I mean I used to believe in Santa. Then later on I found out I was being willfully deceived.

Fun fact: I was the last person to figure it out in my peer group and so felt pretty foolish and badly humiliated - to the extent that I told my younger brother the truth so he didn't have to go through that, and I got in a lot of trouble for that at the time, but I don't care!

Its a lot easier to believe something was true if you have experienced it. Even then trickery throws you off. I mean, I know I saw Santa once in a grotto in a shopping center and he gave me a really cool plastic mushroom shaped piggy-bank with a little padlock on it that you could save up pocket money in - that was definitely real right? Well it was, the experience was, the core deception was.

Growing up innocent and gullible was hard, but ultimately helped me a lot.

Sooner or later you realize practically everything you thought was true isn't, and if you want the truth you need to look inside and not outside - as for what is outside, your discernment is vital.

I believe in ME, everything else has potential.

[Eagle Eye]

I will add one more thing and my intention is just to speak the truth, not to fight a group or a religion, but things must be made clear and try to make aware those still committed to this system of lies. Since we made some posts about who Jesus was, if you read the testimonies carefully, we will find out that it was Peter who betrayed Jesus and later as a reward for him, the foundation of Vatican was made in his name (the foundation of lies and betrayal). If you want to begin to know who the Deceiver/Lucifer/Satan is, than go no further than Vatican and the country who controls it, guard it and finance it, that is Switzerland. Just learn it's history and watch closely it's symbols and you will find out what I'm talking about. If you want to hide something well, then hide it in plain sight and divert it with a fake story.

[Johnnycomelately]

I will add one more thing and my intention is just to speak the truth, not to fight a group or a religion, but things must be made clear and try to make aware those still committed to this system of lies. Since we made some posts about who Jesus was, if you read the testimonies carefully, we will find out that it was Peter who betrayed Jesus and later as a reward for him, the foundation of Vatican was made in his name (the foundation of lies and betrayal). If you want to begin to know who the Deceiver/Lucifer/Satan is, than go no further than Vatican and the country who controls it, guard it and finance it, that is Switzerland. Just learn it's history and watch closely it's symbols and you will find out what I'm talking about. If you want to hide something well, then hide it in plain sight and divert it with a fake story.

Religion is not in your OP question. Needs a different thread.

[Eagle Eye]

Religion is not in your OP question. Needs a different thread.

It's still an open thread about God, but let's not forget that there is around 55% of global population who follow the religion of Abraham, as a way to get closer to God and to live their life according to it's teachings. So mentioning it here I think it's the appropriate place.

[Mashika]

Religion is not in your OP question. Needs a different thread.

It's still an open thread about God, but let's not forget that there is around 55% of global population who follow the religion of Abraham, as a way to get closer to God and to live their life according to it's teachings. So mentioning it here I think it's the appropriate place.


Numbers mean very little in the global thing, why are you even considering them as something important to say "this is something". It means nothing, you need to realize that

But let's not even think about that anymore. Instead, let's focus on something else

Let's say that a time machine is invented, and the first person to use it goes back to see Jesus when he was twelve or so and then kills him with a rock. Then what?

a. It won't happen as there is no way God will allow that (therefore there is no free will)
b. It happens and then we don't have the same history as we do, but somehow the usual paradox in time exists, therefore God is not almighty as we assumed he is (without he even, ever specifying so)

Which one would be correct, if any? If there's a third option that you can produce, without referencing the bible or quoting anything by bible characters?

I am hard on this because i want to say this, you are pondering, but more than that, almost trying to look into other people's souls trying to find if they are or not 'on your side', even if you say 'no that's not true', but "Do you believe in God' is not an open questions, is a yes or no question

But, do you 'understand what God is'? Or do you follow a simplistic view of a God that is very much an egotistical human being, full of very odd human defects and lack of empathy in lots of instances, plus cruelty and enjoying the pain and death of others?

See? Everything can be twisted all across 'the board'.

Which God are you asking if other people here believe in?

* You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible is right... There is no "The word of God because they Bible says so"

Here you are on your own, and a single quote of scripture will just prove you don't understand what you think you understand

Are you willing to discuss after this?

:dog:

[Mashika]

And the reason i'm asking this in the way i'm asking is, that you already gave an answer just by asking "Do you believe", you are expecting one answer or another, there is no middle ground, either you believe or not "yes o no"

"you can't have any pudding unless you eat your meat"!!!! kind of situation

Why do you feel the need to ask that kind of stuff? Has God asked you if you believe in him?

Does God ever had the need in the first place? Does God goes to the bathroom? I wonder if God clips his nails (And why does it feel like everyone assumes God is a male?) God, Gada? Gaga, Lady GaGa? Do you feel i'm being offensive to God if i call her Lady-O-GaGa? Do you think God cares? Or is it you who cares? God could not possibly care about what those words mean, he created me and then he must have known i would say those words, right? Or not?

Religion is a dangerous thing, is not 'human-friendly'

Spirituality is human friendly, but it gets poisoned very often, by religion

[Eagle Eye]

Let's say that a time machine is invented, and the first person to use it goes back to see Jesus when he was twelve or so and then kills him with a rock. Then what?

a. It won't happen as there is no way God will allow that (therefore there is no free will)
b. It happens and then we don't have the same history as we do, but somehow the usual paradox in time exists, therefore God is not almighty as we assumed he is (without he even, ever specifying so)


First do you think that someone can travel in time and change whatever he wants? Have you heard of the term Guardian of time? It's seem a fantasy creation but it's not. To answer your question, that person will be gone or dead, before even getting closer.

Free will isn't interpreted as something that you can do whatever you want. Try to change something big and you will know how fast your free will ends, by the order of things, be that on the good side or evil side, unless you have the right support and the permission to do that.

[Mashika]

Let's say that a time machine is invented, and the first person to use it goes back to see Jesus when he was twelve or so and then kills him with a rock. Then what?

a. It won't happen as there is no way God will allow that (therefore there is no free will)
b. It happens and then we don't have the same history as we do, but somehow the usual paradox in time exists, therefore God is not almighty as we assumed he is (without he even, ever specifying so)


First do you think that someone can travel in time and change whatever he wants? Have you heard of the term Guardian of time? It's seem a fantasy creation but it's not. To answer your question, that person will be gone or dead, before even getting closer.

Free will isn't interpreted as something that you can do whatever you want. Try to change something big and you will know how fast your free will ends, by the order of things, be that on the good side or evil side, unless you have the right support and the permission to do that.

Human constructs to protect their fragile reality mean nothing to me :)



Try to change something big and you will know how fast your free will ends, by the order of things, be that on the good side or evil side, unless you have the right support and the permission to do that.

Look at how evil your God is :)

Authoritative, no allowing you to move out of where he placed you, terminal, final, step one foot away from his limits and you are done

This is 'magnificent'



First do you think that someone can travel in time and change whatever he wants? Have you heard of the term Guardian of time? It's seem a fantasy creation but it's not. To answer your question, that person will be gone or dead, before even getting closer.

God is afraid of his own creation

-

You don't understand God at all, or the concept of it. You think God is some guy somewhere having Temper Tantrums and all kind of human feelings? Have you looked at the mirror recently?

God is not a human like person you can identify with on 'ground level'

[Eagle Eye]

I would say don't rush on conclusions when they are important things, it will be for your own benefit.

[Mashika]

I would say don't rush on conclusions when they are important things, it will be for your own benefit.

I would say that if you can't answer directly, or with pertinent answers, it does look like you have none, and that you don't understand as much of your religion as you thought you did, before this

There is no rush here, we have all the time in the world, but if you know what you think you know, then you don't need all the time in the world to answer simple questions

[Mashika]

You should not test people about things you don't understand yourself. But you think you are somehow leading or testing or in some form, advocating for something you don't have an idea of its true nature, nobody does!

And the assumption that God is a human-like entity, with all the same defects and attitudes.. That's just something i won't go into much more.. That's how kids are told about God at first, they are supposed to grow beyond that understanding at some point!

I'm saying this because i can already see that you are not just doing this here, but out there on the outside world, i bet that, and i'm not attacking you, i'm telling you that you need to think, and think smart about this. Because it's not just you, it's a thing that happens, and what's the purpose of it? You went all about God here, but from what i asked, you skipped answering and kept going, then what do you know?

No one knows anything for real, but do you?

:facepalm::silent:

[Mashika]

I'm not trying to harm anyone here, even if it looks like i do, so i'll do this now and then leave and hope for the best

What do you see out of place here on this picture? It is a hard, but basic, simple question, is for whoever want's to figure it out, answer is not required or expected. For your consideration only

What's going on here on this picture?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWfaic7Su_spwhU-1Ydz4U_0O51xrxAMkZZBmGp3qdKakzEbVOYgz6Hpk0D3R0zxdpwp0KHGXxEYmaab1n1CIIfldcjP91qc4V8STz2KvPurPJ0Kf7LP 5d3aEApp-CCQiSFPqQeQ3ZpYs9esFMkKqm2=w1013-h663-no?authuser=0

*If it takes you 10 years to figure it out, then those are 10 good years spent on you

If takes a month, then also a good time to figure it out

If you go look for the answer on the web or ask someone else, then welp

:ROFL::cocktail:

[Eagle Eye]

Having faith in God, cannot be explained exactly by words, but can be experienced more by heart.

[Mashika]

Having faith in God, cannot be explained exactly by words, but can be experienced more by heart.

See? You proved me right.

"I don't know but i'll say something anyway"

This is not profound or anything , this is just you saying you can't deal with it, or go deep into the matter, because you are afraid of what's in there.

Whatever is in there, it's for you only to consider, but don't keep running away from it, face it full front, dare

What is this deal of always skipping and beating around the bushes you guys have? Is not like you will die if you dare to look into that aspect of you, jebus...

+ "I'm Malisa, i see it all"
- What do you see, Malisa?
+ "I see a lot of things"
- Yes but, what exactly do you see?
+ "Everything i see, is what i see"
- Malisa, you don't have any explanation, do you?
+ "Everything i see, is what i see"
- Lol, you just repeated yourself, are you unable to reply?
+ "Everything i see, is what i see"
- Are you unable to reply?
+ "Everything i see, is what i see"
- Dumb you are, Malisa
+ "Everything you see, is also what i see"

:raining::raining::raining::raining::raining::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

The only way out of this ridiculous ego thing is to say "i don't know" and stop trying to find ways out of saying "i don't know"

Nobody knows! That's why it is so fragile that it gets exposed in this ridiculous way lmao

[Mashika]

Solve the rock puzzle, that's something that can be solved, IF you can solve it. If not, then it means you need to spend more time learning unnecessary stuff until 'you get it'

Remember the game in the past pages of this thread lol

[Eagle Eye]

It's the puzzle of life that we need to solve and one of them is answering the big question.

[Mashika]

It's the puzzle of life that we need to solve and one of them is answering the big question.

Nope

- What do you see, Malisa?
+ "I see a lot of things"
- Yes but, what exactly do you see?
+ "Everything i see, is what i see"
- Malisa, you don't have any explanation, do you?
+ "Everything i see, is what i see"
- Lol, you just repeated yourself, are you unable to reply?
+ "Everything i see, is what i see"
- Are you unable to reply?
+ "Everything i see, is what i see"

lol

There is a definitive answer to my picture, that's a very earthly one, and it belongs here, but you'll have to spend, as i said, even years to figure it out, or a day or a minute, who knows! But you need to make a real effort. Because those words you said, ambiguous and betraying to your own soul, are pointless and meaningless

[Mashika]

I solved it, so you should be able to do the same, this is not a thing that is 'beyond ourselves" or any other ridiculous thing like that. This is just something you can do.

See why you find it hard is just because you keep thinking it has to be that way, and that's also why you don't understand me right now

You already solved it this or last morning when you went to the kitchen and found some things need to be moved around to allow you to do whatever you needed to do that day :)

Why are you thinking so hard? See?

But if you now see, you still need to understand that you didn't understand

So you don't understand that you don't understand, and that's a separate task in life to solve

[DaveToo]

I'm not trying to harm anyone here, even if it looks like i do, so i'll do this now and then leave and hope for the best

What do you see out of place here on this picture? It is a hard, but basic, simple question, is for whoever want's to figure it out, answer is not required or expected. For your consideration only

What's going on here on this picture?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWfaic7Su_spwhU-1Ydz4U_0O51xrxAMkZZBmGp3qdKakzEbVOYgz6Hpk0D3R0zxdpwp0KHGXxEYmaab1n1CIIfldcjP91qc4V8STz2KvPurPJ0Kf7LP 5d3aEApp-CCQiSFPqQeQ3ZpYs9esFMkKqm2=w1013-h663-no?authuser=0



It looks like someone is sowing seeds of division.

[mojo]

May I throw another twist in? For many years after my first sighting in Salem Ma in 73 until the next one much later in 2009 and seeing this second sighting things really heated up here in Oregon. I did not know what it was that was returning and seeing. Being alone and documenting it was a little nervous at first. I wondered if they were benevolent or not and truly felt the need to prepare for a negative experience just in case. I called on the Lord for protection and strength from fear, it could be my last time on earth. The encounters kept happening and seeing paranormal actually made me believe more about God. If they could exist outside our 3D plane of existence than I knew God can exist outside it too. In fact I came to believe that there were some lifeforms that were seeking out the mysteries of the Creator of all.

[Eagle Eye]

One more thing that I forgot to mention. For those still unsure about Vatican, this is the papal audience hall.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/dd/33/cfdd33f60a46f67c82ba8812ef7501ec.jpg

What does it look like?! It's everything in plain sight.

[DaveToo]

One more thing that I forgot to mention. For those still unsure about Vatican, this is the papal audience hall.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/dd/33/cfdd33f60a46f67c82ba8812ef7501ec.jpg

What does it look like?! It's everything in plain sight.

Humans can work miracles with our high tech toys today.

Let me ask you this.

If a human stood in that audience hall and looked up at the ceiling
from that perspective (without the use of any tech gadgets) would they see a curved ceiling/lights above them?

[Eagle Eye]

Humans can work miracles with our high tech toys today.

Let me ask you this.

If a human stood in that audience hall and looked up at the ceiling
from that perspective (without the use of any tech gadgets) would they see a curved ceiling/lights above them?

I have seen many pictures and videos, it's the same obvious thing.

https://i.redd.it/4tlsazm4al951.png

[Mashika]

I'm not trying to harm anyone here, even if it looks like i do, so i'll do this now and then leave and hope for the best

What do you see out of place here on this picture? It is a hard, but basic, simple question, is for whoever want's to figure it out, answer is not required or expected. For your consideration only

What's going on here on this picture?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWfaic7Su_spwhU-1Ydz4U_0O51xrxAMkZZBmGp3qdKakzEbVOYgz6Hpk0D3R0zxdpwp0KHGXxEYmaab1n1CIIfldcjP91qc4V8STz2KvPurPJ0Kf7LP 5d3aEApp-CCQiSFPqQeQ3ZpYs9esFMkKqm2=w1013-h663-no?authuser=0



It looks like someone is sowing seeds of division.

The lines, there is zero resistance, there is fluidity of movement. You don't move the rocks away, they exist on their own, you pass around them and keep going. It's acceptance and peace, you coexist because you understand that you are not there to order the natural elements that were there before you got there. They will order themselves in whatever position they want to be ordered into, you are just another part of it all

It's the opposite of organized religion, which imposes roads and moves things around to conform to their view. There is no freedom of the soul or mind in organized religion, it's like a jail for the soul. You can't be fluid if you are trapped in a set of beliefs that can't be changed and that you must not work around. How can you be fluid if you can't deviate from 'the path' that was preset for you?

Immutability of spirituality leads to the death of the soul

[DaveToo]

Humans can work miracles with our high tech toys today.

Let me ask you this.

If a human stood in that audience hall and looked up at the ceiling
from that perspective (without the use of any tech gadgets) would they see a curved ceiling/lights above them?

I have seen many pictures and videos, it's the same obvious thing.

https://i.redd.it/4tlsazm4al951.png

OK, so it appears the building has a domed ceiling?
That would explain the curved lines.

[Mashika]

Why the guy tripped, explain... Did the cat got his tongue? lol

Do you know about how you are limited that way?

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[Mashika]

See? Life is so beautiful and just 'is', why did you have to make it so complicated?

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[Mashika]

That was a musical conversation, do you understand what that means? And why Mozart made it so?

[Mashika]

But Alisa is some kind of monster... Or is it you? :P

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[Bubu]

George Carlin on religion and god


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0vOxfl6suo

[Bubu]

Prayer works but it has nothing to do with god. Its the vibration that you create when you pray that makes it work. Sorta , the vibes you create opens a chanel where miracles can flow..

[Bill Ryan]

But Alisa is some kind of monster... Or is it you? :P

S1-LCnGojnwThis is something extraordinary, a testimony to how beautiful and astonishing humans can be. Alisa Sadikova (web page here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisa_Sadikova)) was only 9 years old when this was recorded.

It may be worth while some readers listening carefully to all five minutes of her recital. One might somehow learn more about how "God" manifests in the world (whatever "God" is, means, or has been twisted to mean), than by reading every word on this thread or any other.

To add an earthly political note, one also wonders if Alisa might soon be 'canceled' by western authorities. If so, one might wonder what exactly their intention was — and, if there is an anthropomophic (human-like) 'God" watching all this play out, how he might judge all that. (Harshly, one hopes. :) ) That too may be worth a few seconds thought.

:focus:

[Eagle Eye]

George Carlin on religion and god


This is just my opinion. If you ask me, I see only a poor man who has abused so much with drugs,alchool...etc, that has lowered his life to a level to lose almost everything.

[Mashika]

George Carlin on religion and god


This is just my opinion. If you ask me, I see only a poor man who has abused so much with drugs,alchool...etc, that has lowered his life to a level to lose almost everything.

That's mostly how i see the entire western world by now lol, and i look at it from my entitled higher egotistical position all the time as well :P

[gini]

Where is God not? :behindsofa:

[Mashika]

But Alisa is some kind of monster... Or is it you? :P

S1-LCnGojnwThis is something extraordinary, a testimony to how beautiful and astonishing humans can be. Alisa Sadikova (web page here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisa_Sadikova)) was only 9 years old when this was recorded.

It may be worth while some readers listening carefully to all five minutes of her recital. One might somehow learn more about how "God" manifests in the world (whatever "God" is, means, or has been twisted to mean), than by reading every word on this thread or any other.




To add an earthly political note, one also wonders if Alisa might soon be 'canceled' by western authorities. If so, one might wonder what exactly their intention was — and, if there is an anthropomophic (human-like) 'God" watching all this play out, how he might judge all that. (Harshly, one hopes. :) ) That too may be worth a few seconds thought.
:focus:
"A giant loss for humanity, but a good day for just the few in control"

I also think Mozart was not writing his pieces at all, more like he was 'remembering' the music and taking notes, otherwise how could something like this could happen? I don't think he was unaware of it, and that's why he went all crazy and his life ended too soon, he just could not handle this 'reality'. "I think" being the most important thing lol

Why is this music so pure and exceptional? So pure that maybe it is not 'human' music at all. Such a tremendous longing feeling, such a tremendous pain and happiness at the same time? What was he feeling that he described here? We only get the 'summary' of it, think about it, whatever he felt was way stronger than this, we just will never know


00iO7FXWhx8

[Mashika]

Maybe the question should have been "Which God do you believe in"

There is no black & white version of this reality, it is not that how things works. "Either you believe or not in my God" is not a honest question, or a truthful one(it is tainted by your belief system)

It should be more like "what do you think of this or that" But don't put people against a wall, that's why i felt all wrong about it and acted against, see? You created division and gave the monster some energy to become aware of your existence and come here to eat your soul


"I don't believe in the devil.. Well you should, because he for sure believes in you"

Don't do the devil's job while thinking you are doing God's job
:highfive:

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[Mashika]

Where is God not? :behindsofa:

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[Eagle Eye]

This life is maintained in balance for the purpose of testing. When a great event cause the balance to be broken, than you see many people rushing to pray and ask God for help. In a time of a great disaster or miracle, you see almost all people in that place to believe in God, but once they are secure and live a normal life, than they forget about that.

[DaveToo]

This life is maintained in balance for the purpose of testing. When a great event cause the balance to be broken, than you see many people rushing to pray and ask God for help. In a time of a great disaster or miracle, you see almost all people in that place to believe in God, but once they are secure and live a normal life, than they forget about that.

True.

I've also noticed that people tend to get more and more religious the closer and closer they get to the end.

[XelNaga]

Abrahamic religions are the worst type of psy-op, a really nefarious psy-op, that has happened to humans in the last couple of thousands of years.

All the evil brought upon this planet and all beings on it far outweighs little good they have brought to some individuals.

My guess is that yahweh/allah (it's the same being) is either some really nasty demon, or some alien warlord.

That thing is not a "god", and not the Creator of my spirit.

[Eagle Eye]

All the evil brought upon this planet and all beings on it far outweighs little good they have brought to some individuals.


What evil do you see in 10 commandments, except to protect ourselves from it.

[XelNaga]

All the evil brought upon this planet and all beings on it far outweighs little good they have brought to some individuals.


What evil do you see in 10 commandments, except to protect ourselves from it.

Hi neighbour,

The 10 commandments are a miniscule part of abrahamic faiths.

Should I start posting verses from ot / quran where yahweh / allah incite/order rape, murder, maiming, genocide etc.

We all know how many people died in "holy wars" and we are all familiar with atrocities commited in the name of abrahamic god.

[Eagle Eye]

All the evil brought upon this planet and all beings on it far outweighs little good they have brought to some individuals.


What evil do you see in 10 commandments, except to protect ourselves from it.

Hi neighbour,

The 10 commandments are a miniscule part of abrahamic faiths.

Should I start posting verses from ot / quran where yahweh / allah incite/order rape, murder, maiming, genocide etc.

We all know how many people died in "holy wars" and we are all familiar with atrocities commited in the name of abrahamic god.

The 10 commandments are the foundations of all Scriptures from the religion of Abraham, be that a muslim, christian or jew. You can get a verse here and there, but we will lose time in commenting the details, because it will be only interpretation. For those who died in "holy" wars, you must know that both part claimed to be in the name of God, but in the end the truth, will not always side with one group or maybe in anyone of them. So do not interpret a Scripture, based on human actions.

[XelNaga]

All the evil brought upon this planet and all beings on it far outweighs little good they have brought to some individuals.


What evil do you see in 10 commandments, except to protect ourselves from it.

Hi neighbour,

The 10 commandments are a miniscule part of abrahamic faiths.

Should I start posting verses from ot / quran where yahweh / allah incite/order rape, murder, maiming, genocide etc.

We all know how many people died in "holy wars" and we are all familiar with atrocities commited in the name of abrahamic god.

The 10 commandments are the foundations of all Scriptures from the religion of Abraham, be that a muslim, christian or jew. You can get a verse here and there, but we will lose time in commenting the details, because it will be only interpretation. For those died in "holy" wars, you must know that both part claimed to be in the name of God, but in the end the truth, will not always side with one group or maybe in anyone of them. So do not interpret a Scripture, based on human actions.

Well, the foundation for Adolf Hitlers actions was love for his people, and white people in general. Does that make him a good guy?

10 commandments might be a good thing, but they come from a book full of evil, made by evil people, in the name of an evil "god", with evil agenda behind it.

When yahweh/allah directly orders believers to mame, rape, steal from and murder "unbelievers", there is no room for interpretations. It's all there in "holy books".

The greatest psy-op ever in recent history.

[Eagle Eye]

I have spent a great amount of time in Scriptures and mostly understood that verses about wars are to protect something sacred, not to invade. Know the difference between protecting and invading. When an enemy comes to fight, we don't say welcome, but we fight back. Your anger about the Scriptures must come from texts of other sources or people actions, not that you have read carefully about them.

[XelNaga]

I have spent a great amount of time in Scriptures and mostly understood that verses about wars are to protect something sacred, not to invade. Know the difference between protecting and invading. When an enemy comes to fight, we don't say welcome, but we fight back. Your anger about the Scriptures must come from texts of other sources or people actions, not that you have read carefully about them.

Share your interpretation, for example, of this quran verse for me, please:

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them,"(Quran, 9:5) Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites! ... Hell shall be their home, an evil fate."

Or these two from the ot:

1 Samuel 15:3

“Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Exodus 21:20–21

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

[Eagle Eye]

Share your interpretation, for example, of this quran verse for me, please:

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them,"(Quran, 9:5)


This verses are in a time of war and also you need to include one more verse:

[9 : 6] And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of God . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

We can stay and discuss about every verse, no problem for me, but like I said we will get into details and forget the important thing.

[XelNaga]

Share your interpretation, for example, of this quran verse for me, please:

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them,"(Quran, 9:5)


This verses are in a time of war and also you need to include one more verse:

[9 : 6] And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of God . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

We can stay and discuss about every verse, no problem for me, but like I said we will get into details and forget the important thing.

Yes, but, what would happen if those people choose not to hear the word of "god"? Death penalty in the most brutal way.

But you're right, there is no point in continuing this, just a waste of energy for both you and me.

Kind regards brother..

[DaveToo]

This life is maintained in balance for the purpose of testing. When a great event cause the balance to be broken, than you see many people rushing to pray and ask God for help. In a time of a great disaster or miracle, you see almost all people in that place to believe in God, but once they are secure and live a normal life, than they forget about that.

It's fascinating how connected we all are.

I'm sure many of you here have also witnessed these connections.

A new book has just been released by Frode Burdal Klevstul, a Norwegian, titled 'Bill Goats and the Forest'.
It's a children's book and James Corbett has just interviewed him. They discuss the book at length. (https://www.bitchute.com/video/ozlz4DaURA5z/)

What I found intriguing was the section at 13:10 where the author talks about 'The balance'
and also 'Death'.

[ExomatrixTV]

"words of god" or words written by humans claiming things

Any human may or can (somehow) have a direct link to the Prime Creator and thus there is no monopoly having "words" that was OR is divinely inspired <<< but most of the time that get lost having translation/interpretation issues ...

Some (over the top control-freaks) love to sell it as an "exclusive monopoly".

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Eagle Eye]

Any human may or can (somehow) have a direct link to the Prime Creator

That is true. Everyone can make a direct connection with the Creator and don't need mediators. The problem is that many aren't aware of that.

[ExomatrixTV]

This life is maintained in balance for the purpose of testing. When a great event cause the balance to be broken, than you see many people rushing to pray and ask God for help. In a time of a great disaster or miracle, you see almost all people in that place to believe in God, but once they are secure and live a normal life, than they forget about that.

It's fascinating how connected we all are.

I'm sure many of you here have also witnessed these connections.

A new book has just been released by Frode Burdal Klevstul, a Norwegian, titled 'Bill Goats and the Forest'.
It's a children's book and James Corbett has just interviewed him. They discuss the book at length. (https://www.bitchute.com/video/ozlz4DaURA5z/)

What I found intriguing was the section at 13:10 where the author talks about 'The balance'
and also 'Death'.


ozlz4DaURA5z

[Eagle Eye]

It's better to spend time into this matter, checking history, facts, testimonies, clues, signs and even meditating, then be among those who regret after.

[Zirconian]

Hello everyone,

I don't get time to post much but a few days ago I saw one of Akiane's latest artwork so I posted it:
Here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108920-Inspiring-and-Uplifting-Art-a-gift-of-grace&p=1504654&viewfull=1#post1504654

Her work is uplifting and does encourage spiritual reflection.

After I posted the artwork, I came across two related videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmNrQ7Smung

This video is an interview with a boy (who is now a teenager) and his father. They are a religious family and one day the boy, at four years old, after becoming ill, had an experience of heaven, meeting Jesus, seeing God and meeting his grandfather and sister.

The interview covers a film based on the boy's experience and the reactions of the parishioners and the boy's family.

The preview of the film is here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PFcCApZLHs

What caught my attention is that during the interview, the father revealed that once he believed his son's story, he showed his son many pictures of Jesus. His son, as a young boy, stated that none of these images depicted the Jesus he saw in heaven......except the painting of The Prince of Peace by Akiane.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B86y4XRCHg

Really made me think.

[ExomatrixTV]

Bishop Robert Barron: Christianity and the Catholic Church:

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Robert Barron is a bishop and founder of Word on Fire Catholic Ministries (https://www.youtube.com/c/WordonFireInstitute/videos).


I share this because I finally found a "Christian authority" that seems to be beyond the conditioning ... which is rare!

Fascinating discussion ...

0:00:45 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=45s) - Who is God?
0:14:25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=865s) - Christianity
0:19:13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=1153s) - Sin
0:36:43 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=2203s) - The Trinity
0:38:27 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=2307s) - Catholicism
0:48:24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=2904s) - Sexual abuse scandal
0:55:11 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=3311s) - Evil
1:06:55 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=4015s) - Atheism
1:18:16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=4696s) - Jordan Peterson
1:20:51 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=4851s) - Jesus
1:23:37 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=5017s) - The Bible
1:26:12 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=5172s) - America
1:29:03 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=5343s) - Nietzsche
1:33:07 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=5587s) - Word on Fire
1:36:26 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=5786s) - Gay marriage
1:38:43 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=5923s) - Abortion
1:45:33 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=6333s) - Advice for young people
1:48:08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=6488s) - Mortality
1:52:25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgytXF0SPh0&t=6745s) - Meaning of life

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ulli]

Bishop Robert Barron speaks to me. Reminds me of this Baha’i prayer

“Oh God! Thou art more friend to me than I am to myself. I dedicate myself to Thee.”

And when he brings up Job, and his suffering, I’m reminded of this quote:

“ With fire We test our gold, and with gold We test our servants”

[Inversion]

This information in The Law of One makes sense to me. God appears to be AI that transmits the frequency of love. Our soul and DNA can be viewed as AI.

post#79, book#1 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11889-The-Law-of-One/page4&highlight=infinity+creation)

S13/P129. The Ra group are messengers. The first known thing in the creation is the infinity. The infinity is creation. The next step was infinity became aware. Then came Logos or love.

[Kindred]

Does 'God' / "All That Is" exist... obviously, yes, and each of us is but an aspect, an individualized expression that is moving towards it's Own State of Becoming... which is an Infinite endeavor.

John 10:34 King James Version (KJV)
“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?”

John 14:12 King James Version (KJV)
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”

from “The Seth Material” by Jane Roberts
March 1967, session 329

“You create your reality according to your beliefs and expectations; therefore it behooves you to examine them carefully. If you do not like your world, then examine your own expectations. Every thought in one way or another is constructed by you in physical terms.”

{A THOUGHT IS ENERGY... it IS the Creator of EVERYTHING - even if it isn't manifested in This reality, then it will take form in other aspects of other realities. As Seth has stated... "If you think a pretty thought, Somewhere a flower will Bloom... ")

“Your world is formed in faithful replica of your own thoughts…. Certain telepathic conditions exist that we call root assumptions, of which each individual is subconsciously aware. Using these, you form a physical environment cohesive enough so that there is general agreement as to objects and their placement and dimension. It is all hallucinatory in one respect, and yet it is your reality, and you must manipulate within it. The world in which your parents live existed first in thought. It existed once in the stuff of dreams, and they spawned their universe from this, and from this they made their world.”

“If you sell yourselves short, you will say, ‘I am a physical organism and I live within the boundaries cast upon me by space and time. I am at the mercy of my environment.’ If you do not sell yourselves short, you will say, ‘I am an individual. I form my physical environment. I am a part of all that is. There is no place within me that creativity does not exist.’”

“Because I say to you that you create physical matter by use of the inner vitality of the universe, in the same way that you form a pattern with your breath on a glass pane, I do not mean that you are the creators of the universe. I am saying that you are the creators of the physical world as you know it.”

“Chemicals themselves will not give rise to consciousness or life. Your scientists will have to face the fact that consciousness comes first and evolves its own form… All cells in the body have a separate consciousness. There is a conscious cooperation between the cells in all the organs, and between the organs themselves… Molecules and atoms and even smaller particles have condensed consciousness. They form into cells and form an individual cellular consciousness. This combination results in a consciousness that is capable of much more experience and fulfillment than would be possible for the isolated atom or molecule alone. This goes on ad infinitum… to form the physical body mechanism. Even the lowest particle retains its individuality and its abilities [through this cooperation] are multiplied a millionfold.”

“Matter is a medium for the manipulation and transformation of psychic energy into aspects that can then be used as building blocks…. Matter is only cohesive enough to give the appearance of relative permanence to the senses that perceive it. … Matter is continually created, but no particular object is in itself continuous. There is not, for example, one physical object that deteriorates with age. There are instead continuous creations of psychic energy into a physical pattern that appears to hold a more of less rigid appearance.”

“No particular object ‘exists long enough’ as an indivisible, rigid, or identical thing to change with age. The energy behind it weakens. The physical pattern therefore blurs. After a certain point, each re-creation becomes less perfect from your standpoint. After many such re-creations that have been unperceived by you, then you notice a difference and assume that a change… has occurred. The actual material that seems to make up the object has completely disappeared many times, and the pattern has been completely filled again with new matter…”

Physical matter makes consciousness effective within the three-dimensional reality. As individualized energy approaches your particular field, it expresses itself to the best of its ability within it. As energy approaches, it creates matter, first of all in an almost plastic fashion. But the creation is continuous like a beam or endless series of beams, at first weak as they are far off, then stronger, then weak again as they pass away.”

Matter of itself, however, is no more continuous, no more given to growth or age than is, say, the color yellow.”

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Once we realize that We Create Our Reality, then, and Only then will we be able to transcend the Limitations heretofore accepted within this particular Dualistic Physically Oriented Realm rooted in Probabilities.

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[O Donna]

God – “you’re not all that”
Not God – you’re it (see above)

[Eagle Eye]

[43 : 85] And blessed is He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them and with whom is knowledge of the Hour and to whom you will be returned.

[Tyy1907]

Does one heal the symptoms or figure out how to heal the root?

Eph. 6. [12] "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

[Bubu]

Do I believe in god?

I can not believe in a bogeyman invented by a group of people for the purpose of instilling the habit of obedience to authority amongbthe masses
But I do believe in this experience. The whole point of it all is : Creation expanding to experience new fields of vibration. No rules or laws no funishment or reward. Only experience

[Johnnycomelately]

“Some days.” was the answer I got when I asked a co-worker that question.

This guy was my immediate senior on a drilling rig, the Motorhand. He could be an absolute a**hole sometimes, sending the singles wildly down to the catwalk to me when we were coming out sideways, calling me rude names in front of others. But I consider that answer as one of the top three I’ve ever received on the topic of God or religion.

[Ernie Nemeth]

God is not a concept. God is not an idea.

God is not merely the quintessential and ultimate gestalt of gestalts. God is non-local, non-temporal, non-spatial, non-imaginable.

God is All There Is Not.


God created All There Is.
That is the mystery.
It was created to facilitate the retrospection of that fact.
That is the miracle.

We share in common this one trait: that we are all miracles of design.
We swim in an ocean of consciousness.
Conscious of ourselves as a tiny drop in that endless sea.

It is this integral focus that intuits the existence of God through the life force that animates it.


The idea of god comes much later, as the drop considers its lineage.
What is the drop without the ocean?


This is not an idea. This is the crisis of thought.

It is the tiny gap that separates the truth from the illusion, the what is from the what ifs.



God is the way of life.

God is not a concept.
God is the context.

[Starkey]

I believe in Monistic Idealism. This means I believe everything is ultimately one consciousness. I’m attracted to non-duel philosophies like Neoplatonism or Advaita Vedanta. When I was younger I thought that a collective mind would be not as self aware as a little individual mind, but now I don’t think that is the case. A transcendent mind with so much more information could be more aware and powerful. That’s what I think of as God. That’s what makes sense to me. I have had experiences which have proven to me that there is a spiritual world full of spiritual beings, but as far as an ultimate godhead, I guess I don’t know for sure. I like to believe there is though.
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I like this guy when it comes to theology.

[ExomatrixTV]

Aliens, Nephilim, Bigfoot & the Bible:

B5Ii0eM2RlY
Today we're joined by Nate Henry and Luke Rodgers of "Blurry Creatures", a podcast that delves into fringe creatures such as Bigfoot, the Nephilim, and others. As Halloween approaches, we're discussing how the church addresses not just the paranormal, but also common questionable beings like aliens/UFOs and the Loch Ness Monster. We look at whether there are answers to these things in the biblical text and how we might interpret them. We discuss aliens – if they exist, what are they? And do they have anything to do with angels and the spiritual realm? We talk about the Nephilim from the Bible and how they may have come to be and debate whether evildoers today are in part the result of human hybrids or just man's sinful nature.

00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=0s) Intro
02:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=160s) New parody video coming out tonight!
03:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=220s) New stickers!
05:18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=318s) Interview with Nate & Luke begins
10:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=605s) Aliens & UFOs
15:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=930s) How would aliens fit into the creation accounts?
20:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=1200s) Giants in the Bible
27:20 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=1640s) Genesis 6:4 and Nephilim
40:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=2419s) Technology and the Fall
43:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=2638s) Do these creatures still exist today?
48:07 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=2887s) Human hybrids?
1:00:10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Ii0eM2RlY&t=3610s) Summary

[Eagle Eye]

Remember: The first mission of Lucifer/Satan on each individual, is to remove you out of the protection of God. If you are out of that shield, you are in his world and will do anything, until his main mission is fulfilled (to permanently remove you from God's mercy and be forsaken). So remember the commandments and do not deviate.

Direct your prayer to God, as all prophets taught us, included Jesus:

Matthew 26:36 Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.”
26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

[arjunaloka_official]

until his main mission is fulfilled (to permanently remove you from God's mercy and be forsaken).

I would suppose that noone can be permanently removed from God´s mercy.

The -positive- ten commandments are a good thing.

[arjunaloka_official]

My question would be 'Does God believe in Me'

Did you ask God that question?

[arjunaloka_official]

Why would God have been so sinister for allowing people to choose in the first place?
I'm sure he didn't have to. I'm sure no one was pointing a gun to his head saying "Make sure you allow some people to become evil".

It's not simply a matter of "Oh well, they will meet their fate when they die, yada yada..."

Because those evil people (cue the past couple of years)
are making lives miserable for a huge portion of the population now. It gives us no solace knowing that when those evil bastards die they will meet their fate.

What if God allows you to choose out of infinite love?

[Eagle Eye]

I would suppose that noone can be permanently removed from God´s mercy.

The -positive- ten commandments are a good thing.

Those who deny after knowledge has come to them, those who do the oposite of what the Scriptures teach and those who worship other gods and do not change it for all their life, they are outside God's mercy and will be forsaken. We have been warned about it, the door of repentance is open until the end of our lives or until the big signs of the Day of Judgement.

[arjunaloka_official]

Those who deny after knowledge has come to them, those who do the oposite of what the Scriptures teach and those who worship other gods and do not change it for all their life, they are outside God's mercy and will be forsaken. We have been warned about it, the door of repentance is open until the end of our lives or until the big signs of the Day of Judgement.

Would a loving father really close the door for his son or daugther?

I agree the way back will be a very very long one if you do the above, so I do recommend to follow the ten positive commandments.

That being said, to say that the door could close will create fear, and fear is a tool to control people, isn´t it?

[pueblo]

I only believe (in) something when I don't know it to be true.....and, any belief I hold is subject to change or modification or even disposal as new information arises.

Gnosis trumps belief every time.




Believe
verb

1. Accept that (something) is true, especially without proof.
"the superintendent believed Lancaster's story"

Similar:

- be convinced by

- trust

- have confidence in

- consider honest

- consider truthful

- regard as true

- accept as true

- accept

- give credence to

- credit

- give credit to

- put confidence in

- count on

- rely on

- depend on

- swallow

- swallow something hook line and sinker

- fall for

- go for

- buy

- take as gospel

Opposite: disbelieve

2. Hold (something) as an opinion; think. "I believe we've already met"